Wednesday January 14 - Part 1

[?noanswer]

i don't know...i'm giving Lukas the benefit of the doubt...she came across very sincere, imo....she also stated in an interview with a local news station, that she couldn't remember if she used her home phone, or her cell phone....she even said D Casey asked her, if they were looking for a dead Caylee or alive, & the psychic said she told him, she felt Caylee was dead....this could fit with what Hoover said about a dead Caylee & we're going to get her, etc......

i just don't think Lukas is lying..

Most phones these days have a record of calls made, received. Don't know how long the records are kept. But Nov. 15 is only about 2 monts ago. JMO

[Tracian]

Personally, I would lay my grand daughter to rest privately.

The public can do whatever they want to. Create their own memorial service. It's not up to Cindy and George to do something for the public.
JMO.

Actually, this is not really any of our business, never has been.


I agree that they have the right to lay Caylee to rest privately; under more normal circumstances, it would not even be an issue.

The problem with this case is that the A's have done everything in their power to thrust this into the media--regardless of what ends up being true about their reasons for immunity, and their possible criminal behavior after the fact, they made America fall in love with Caylee, and America is grieving for Caylee.

If it was my loved one, and so many people wanted to honor the memory of her, I would welcome those to attend and would arrange a public memorial...Polly Klass had a public memorial, because so many felt the grief of a child so brutally taken from the world, and to offer support to the Klass family.

The Anthony's stirred up the emotion surrounding Caylee...now they act as if those that are grieving should just shrug it off, and move on, because they were not 'family' or they never really 'knew' Caylee...but America does know Caylee...we have all seen that video tape, we have seen her face, heard her voice, and each time we see it, we are reminded, that she will never sing again, on this earth.

Empathy seems to be a trait missing from the Anthony's..they have proven this IMO, by the way they have attacked people, the way that Lee tore down one of the memorials, by the way they are, again IMO, using Caylee as a weapon to punish those that don't walk in lock step to their beliefs (or so they say) in regards to Casey's innocents...

Again, Caylee is being victimized--but I think that she was victimized by her family all her tragically short life.

[happy2bme]

Happy, there was a link a few weeks ago to what looked like a mini obit.


Thank you so much.:biggrin:

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks everyone:biggrin:
I have been reading for about 3 months.
im really stuck here.
CASEY IS GUILTY!!!!
JMHO

Hiya Read! Welcome to the board and please, chime in with us! :seeya:

[Adonna]

I don't think we know for sure.....

Thank you Summer. I was wondering if cutody issues aren't part of why there is a hold up for a funeral/memorial service for Caylee.

[summer4meplz]

Hi Peter:wub: LOL not that Mallory LOL


as far as we know :wink:

interesting about the obit someone just asked about? I am sure there must not have been or someone would have noticed....

[Dells]

I would love to know if Casey is refusing the family and suspect that's probably it if Cindy is back to cheer leading for her. :blushing: JMO

Interesting point. I wonder if Cindy thinks that if she publicly defends Casey, then Casey will agree to visit w/her again?

[happy2bme]

Of course she has. Caylee has changed my world, and I didn't even know the child. I cannot listen to the song "you are my sunshine", I cannot look at her beautiful pictures on TV when she grabs the red table cloth and peeks out. When she says "Pappa are you tired Pappa"? Breaks my heart.

Should I be allowed to participate in a private family service for her? NO.

The public can do what they want to. JMO


Why are they telling to check back for updates about the memorial?

[Neffy]

I notice Casey is the only one she didn't include in "Everyone". When did Casey EVER get off hers and look before being put in jail?

In all due respect she was tethered to an ankle moniter. George and Cindy already checked the back yard so what's a girl to do. :)

[summer4meplz]

Thank you Summer. I was wondering if cutody issues aren't part of why there is a hold up for a funeral/memorial service for Caylee.

I think it's getting a little obvious that there is dissension between conway and baez or casey and her parents...however you want to look at it....

om

[happygert]

I don't get it happygert! Why of all the things that could be hawked.... would a Have You Seen Me t-shirt be for sale....Unless, it's supposed to be a "collectors" edition shirt. mo

Hi PROPROS, I don't get it either.. only thing I could think of is they have the shirts and they want the money ..Here they are screaming people are making money off of Caylee .Then they are still selling bracelets and Tee shirt's with "Have You Seen Me" On them after she's been found dead? It's got to be about the money thats the only thing I can think of. Pretty disgusting if you ask me

[Daffodil]

Sorry if I missed this


Have we seen an obituary?

Oh my goodness, what a good point.

[Mandysmom]

I don't know. Its none of my business.

Well heck when you get right down to it, none of any of this is our business.

Yet here we sit, yourself included.

:laugh:

[Dunlurken]

Why are they telling to check back for updates about the memorial?

huh? .........LOL.

[missinglink]

I agree that they have the right to lay Caylee to rest privately; under more normal circumstances, it would not even be an issue.

The problem with this case is that the A's have done everything in their power to thrust this into the media--regardless of what ends up being true about their reasons for immunity, and their possible criminal behavior after the fact, they made America fall in love with Caylee, and America is grieving for Caylee.

If it was my loved one, and so many people wanted to honor the memory of her, I would welcome those to attend and would arrange a public memorial...Polly Klass had a public memorial, because so many felt the grief of a child so brutally taken from the world, and to offer support to the Klass family.

The Anthony's stirred up the emotion surrounding Caylee...now they act as if those that are grieving should just shrug it off, and move on, because they were not 'family' or they never really 'knew' Caylee...but America does know Caylee...we have all seen that video tape, we have seen her face, heard her voice, and each time we see it, we are reminded, that she will never sing again, on this earth.

Empathy seems to be a trait missing from the Anthony's..they have proven this IMO, by the way they have attacked people, the way that Lee tore down one of the memorials, by the way they are, again IMO, using Caylee as a weapon to punish those that don't walk in lock step to their beliefs (or so they say) in regards to Casey's innocents...

Again, Caylee is being victimized--but I think that she was victimized by her family all her tragically short life.

Post of the Day! JMO.

[CelticDawn]

Sorry if I missed this


Have we seen an obituary?

Does an obituary have to be published in FL? Just wondering...

[Dells]

And he knows better to talk about this issue on national tv without the permission and/or blessing of the defense team. As I said, I think so many times we underestimate Baez and the dream team. They won't do anything that will not benefit their case.

Great point, and I agree.

[Pat]

I must have missed it in the forum over the last couple of weeks, but who has legal custody of Caylee's remains? If Cindy is planning the funeral, then Casey gave her parents custody to go ahead with a funeral?

That's a good question...no one here is actually sure.

Baez says he's got them and turned them over to a funeral home, Conway says Cindy is making plans and even has an invite/do NOT invite list.

Who knows. :biggrin:

[desmom]

The way I understand it, there would be two different services. One private, one public. If I were them, I wouldn't hold a public service. None of our business.

Now the legalities of the case, that is our business.

JMO.

I agree Dunlurken. Private service. No invitations, no announcement of when or where and no media.

When I read *"While nothing is certain yet, Conway said the Anthony's have made one thing clear; Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter who was in and out of the case on several occasions, will not be invited or let in." IMO, it just adds to the media circus.

* http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1


jmo

[happy2bme]

huh? .........LOL.

It's on the Find Caylee website.

[LostinSpace]

Most phones these days have a record of calls made, received. Don't know how long the records are kept. But Nov. 15 is only about 2 monts ago. JMO


Yes and that information is available online. All she has to do is look at her account. No need to try to get information from Verizon.

[Katprint]

Ah. The "public" memorial is private. Gotcha.
IMO this is like when a couple gets married and sends out announcements to acquaintances like coworkers who were not invited to the wedding or their second cousins whom they have never met, in hopes of shaking loose some wedding gifts. So, perhaps the memorial is "public" in the sense that the general public is invited to send sympathy cards - hopefully containing a monetary donation - but is private in the sense that the public is not invited to actually attend.

Alternatively, maybe it is "public" in the sense that the Anthonys hope to sell DVDs of it along with the rest of those "missing Caylee" shirts and bracelets. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys may arrange to have the media broadcast it to the general public. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys have no concept of "private" when it comes to the quiet dignified respect that the mortal remains of their beloved granddaughter ought to be receiving instead of unabashed exploitation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Lilly12]

A life is a life, baby or Man, however killing a child is unthinkable, but it should be unthinkable to kill anyone.



Nice try...... Iwas thinking along the lines of getting one juror's sympathy....... We know what Mary said her husband did to her....... . What did this baby do to Casey to muster up one juror's sympathy? moo

[happy2bme]

Does an obituary have to be published in FL? Just wondering...


Don't know about that.

[missinglink]

huh? .........LOL.

The A's have been posting this info on the helpfindcaylee and cayleeismissing sites.

[SavannahStar]

Does an obituary have to be published in FL? Just wondering...

No there is no requirement. My mother died in 2007 and specifically requested before she died that NO obituary be published.

[shelban53]

Sorry if I missed this


Have we seen an obituary?

I dont know about an obit but here is a link to a guest book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[Dells]

I know when I worked for a large insurance company and became pregnant I was protected for 90 days by FMLA. The company even had long term disability that you could purchase (60%) of your income for up to a year. I dont think it would be to hard for Cindy to convince her employer she is a "mental" disability due to all the events that have taken place. I knew many people that had FMLA due to panic attacks and would leave early every Friday to go out knowing their job was protected. It was severly misused. All you need is one docter to fill out a form and you are protected.

Great post. I think if Cindy is getting anything from her company it is in the form of long term disability. For the company I worked for you could purchase LTD and if you were deemed eligible you could get that for the rest of your life. I think that is probably where the Anthony's are getting some of their money. George could also be getting some form of LTD from his company as well.

[CelticDawn]

I would love to know if Casey is refusing the family and suspect that's probably it if Cindy is back to cheer leading for her. :blushing: JMO
I tried looking thru the Sunshine Law Handbook to find out if visitors lists fell under invasion of privacy of the visitORs....I still havent been able to wade through all of that carp!!!

[Dunlurken]

It's on the Find Caylee website.

I don't go there.

[CNTM]

Is there proof of this other than NG?

Gert is 100% correct.
I called a friend who was in the funeral home business for over 40 years and yes, the remains are in a cardboard box, in a cooler unless the family has made arrangements for some other container. Box size is dependent on exactly what remains and what sizes they are.
He stated you can call any local parlor in your town and they can advise you of the same, the cost and whether it would be donated in the case of a child.

[WillowInFlight]

Does an obituary have to be published in FL? Just wondering...

It was a little blurb leading to her guest book that we all signed, http://www.legacy.com/Atlanta/GB/Guestbookview.aspx?PersonID=121581033

[~jomomma~]

here is the clip of cases saying hope instead of home, maybe. Listen everyone and see what you think

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

i think it was NG who played it last night and now, since i've listened to this (above) i only hear 'hope' when i see it played on tv.

[missinglink]

Casey indeed says 'hope' instead of home. It is very obvious.

When spoken, the word 'home' does not end with a 'peh' sound.

I definitely hear the word "hope" also. (after all that crap about her gut telling her things). LOL.

[Neffy]

I think it's getting a little obvious that there is dissension between conway and baez or casey and her parents...however you want to look at it....

om

I'm wondering if it's the opposite. They've closed ranks. Any dissension your seeing is staged re: non-visits.

[spiritwolf46]

Hi PROPROS, I don't get it either.. only thing I could think of is they have the shirts and they want the money ..Here they are screaming people are making money off of Caylee .Then they are still selling bracelets and Tee shirt's with "Have You Seen Me" On them after she's been found dead? It's got to be about the money thats the only thing I can think of. Pretty disgusting if you ask me

ITA, it is disgusting! And I will add that if that were me, I would not even have it in me to get back with people who wants Tee shirts and braclets, for I would be TOO choked up over my granddaughter's death and my daughter killing her!

Money, money, money! That is all it is about with these horrifying people! :cursing::cursing:

[happy2bme]

I dont know about an obit but here is a link to a guest book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033



Thanks shel

[AMS]

Canadian forensic anthropologist joins Casey Anthony's defense
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:59 AM EST, January 14, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

"My role in the case is basically peer review," Fairgrieve told the Orlando Sentinel. "I will be reviewing reports on the evidence. So far everything I've done has been remotely."

[Dunlurken]

In my opinion its wrong to condemn the Anthony's, by suggesting what should be done with Caylee's remains, and when it should be done. There are dozens of posts that are critical of the Anthony's, saying without any basis of fact, that her remains are lying around in a box, as if she would be forgotten and left there forever. Its my opinion that the Anthony's will tend to their grandaughters remains, when they are ready and able to do so, and it is not the place of outsiders to decide when that is.
Thank you! It is none of our business. JMO.

[nothingnew]

"these people".....?? is that us? I will admit I don't get "it" and would be sooo appreciative if you would enlighten me? I find the entire story....and all the side stories so confusing.....TIA

I interpreted "these people" as D. Casey and the newest psychic ('she'-in the post). "We" from Peter's post would be us-the message board posters. I think you might want to re read the post. Just is silly to start an "issue" over a reading error. jmo

[?noanswer]

I thought I read yesterday on one of the threads that one house had belonged to a Gonzalez and the other to a Fernandez and that the numbers of the houses were the numbers Casey gave for when she dropped Caylee off.

Is there any truth to that?


You are correct on those 2 houses belong to F&G, but there is a 3rd house on another st. close to the A's. The 3rd house is supposedly the one the Psychic directed DC to search around. JMO

[nc1948]

Ha!

You are so wrong & you know it.

Once again, you are trying to start rumors about posters on this very message board.

Guess what. It ain't working. It will never work. You have zero credibility.

I think you are talking to Cindy.

[CelticDawn]

IMO this is like when a couple gets married and sends out announcements to acquaintances like coworkers who were not invited to the wedding or their second cousins whom they have never met, in hopes of shaking loose some wedding gifts. So, perhaps the memorial is "public" in the sense that the general public is invited to send sympathy cards - hopefully containing a monetary donation - but is private in the sense that the public is not invited to actually attend.

Alternatively, maybe it is "public" in the sense that the Anthonys hope to sell DVDs of it along with the rest of those "missing Caylee" shirts and bracelets. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys may arrange to have the media broadcast it to the general public. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys have no concept of "private" when it comes to the quiet dignified respect that the mortal remains of their beloved granddaughter ought to be receiving instead of unabashed exploitation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions



Now that would be just beyond tacky...Totally classless, but then what does one expect...

IF this "public" memorial actually took place within our lifetimes,...and if uninvited "guests' showed up.....what kind of a fit do you think we would see from Cindy? she is just too confrontational.....doesnt choose her battles wisely...which is why shes losing her not-so-private war.

[read-in]

If this psycic (sp) woman was for real.... then, just my thinking here,
1) she would know exactly where the remains were
2) she would know who the real killer was...
3) she would know how and why she was killed
4) would not need a cell phone to explain all,
cuz, cant she just transmit that her message with brain waves or something??

[Elle]

I agree. I never doubted that the As loved Caylee. Which, IMO, only serves to underline the fact that in spite of all their protests, they either knew or strongly suspected Caylee was dead, so they gave up on her and concentrated on Casey.

JMHO

I believe that Cindy fought against any belief she had that Caylee was dead. I believe that Casey has in the past witheld Caylee from her and that what was meant by Lee when he asked Casey 'is this like last time?', I believe she thought she would get Caylee back. When she smelled the car, I can only imagine the horror that was quickly pushed away and replaced by hope and prayer that it had nothing to do with Caylee. She pleaded for George to tell her the smell was the pizza, and he complied. She held on to that for dear life. She was also surrounded by 'experts' who would tell her what she needed to hear. She needed something, anything to hold on to, a shred of hope in the face of cold hard evidence, and it was given to her.

I believe she is extremely angry, and despite her casting the blame everwhere else, I believe she has placed alot of it upon herself, and defers it because it is too much to bear, do I think that is right, no way, but I think she is survival mode. I see a woman fighting against what she knows to be the truth and what she needs to be the truth. I see a woman when confronted with it becoming angry and defiant in the face of it. I see the defense of Casey as her trying to convince herself of the things she is saying.

I believe her need to have it be anyone but Casey is to not get Casey off because she wants CAsey to get away with it, but because if Casey gets off, it will in Cindy's head validate her and the truth she has created, and she will use that as confirmation that Caylee was not killed by the little girl that she raised.

I think that Cindy's need for control is because she had none where she so desperately needed to, so she tries to control anything she can.

Do I agree with how she has handled things? No. Do I think there has been obstruction? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Am I sympathetic to a woman in obvious crisis? Yes.

Here is the part where I feel like I am 2 different people, where I feel like I am talking out of both sides of my mouth, A beautiful little girl was murdered by her mother, whom I hope never takes one breath as a free woman. As much as I sympathize with Cindy, this is not about her. I will be outraged if her need for the truth she created to be THE truth, creates doubt in a jurors mind setting the murderer of Caylee free. God I go back and forth, I do understand her need for creating a different reality, but if in doing so she helps get Casey off, well that is absolutely NOT justice for Caylee, and seeking justice for Caylee should trump everything. I pray the jury can remain focused and hold Casey Anthony responsible and send back a verdict of guilty of Murder in the first degree, committed against her daughter 2 year old Caylee Marie Anthony.

I am really sorry this is so long. I don't even know if I made any sense.

[missinglink]

You are correct on those 2 houses belong to F&G, but there is a 3rd house on another st. close to the A's. The 3rd house is supposedly the one the Psychic directed DC to search around. JMO

Correct, it's on Brackenwood, 0.6 miles from where Caylee's body was dumped.

[Lavenia]

Thanks everyone:biggrin:
I have been reading for about 3 months.
im really stuck here.
CASEY IS GUILTY!!!!
JMHO

Welcome read-in! :seeya:

[?noanswer]

Is there proof of this other than NG?

I don't know if the cardboard box is true or not, but until someone pays for a casket or an urn, then the remains have to be kept somewhere. When my grandma died and we went to the funeral home to select a casket, she was still on a slab that they use for embalbing. That was a long time ago. They actually did the embalbing at my GM's house and buried the blood in the backyard. I don't know why they did it at home instead of the funeral home. JMO

[Dunlurken]

The lady from Richmond was not for real. Looking for her 15 minutes of fame. She has no proof she was on the phone with Dominic Casey, so she's a non entity. JMO.

[jammies]

:seeya:
Hi everyone, anyone mind if i join in now and then???
new here, but really love reading of you....


Jump right in! Welcome!

[Dells]

she ain't walkin anywhere......the fraud charges alone will keep her in for a long long time

I agree. No matter what strategy the defense tries to use, I just don't see her walking. I think the best the defense can hope for is a hung jury, but in that case the state will just retry her. The defense team will be long gone by then and during a retrial Casey will be convicted.

[witchywoman]

Elle, you made sense to me...

[CNTM]

That is still not proof of what Caylee is now in...

JMO

If you want exact details, I suggest you call the funeral home. This is just standard protocol that I posted.

[Neffy]

In my opinion its wrong to condemn the Anthony's, by suggesting what should be done with Caylee's remains, and when it should be done. There are dozens of posts that are critical of the Anthony's, saying without any basis of fact, that her remains are lying around in a box, as if she would be forgotten and left there forever. Its my opinion that the Anthony's will tend to their grandaughters remains, when they are ready and able to do so, and it is not the place of outsiders to decide when that is.

Boy am I ever confused. It was my understanding Baez was in control per the last court hearing. Then Conway chimed in and made a public announcement thru the media that he was concerned with grave robbers.

It sounds like she is being forgotten with so many people giving advice and direction.

[CelticDawn]

Canadian forensic anthropologist joins Casey Anthony's defense
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:59 AM EST, January 14, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

"My role in the case is basically peer review," Fairgrieve told the Orlando Sentinel. "I will be reviewing reports on the evidence. So far everything I've done has been remotely."

Maybe this one wont need an attorney.

[Snoopy50]

ITA, it is disgusting! And I will add that if that were me, I would not even have it in me to get back with people who wants Tee shirts and braclets, for I would be TOO choked up over my granddaughter's death and my daughter killing her!

Money, money, money! That is all it is about with these horrifying people! :cursing::cursing:
Very true....if you recall the emails between brother Rick and other family members, this family was in dire financial straits before this. They appear to be in much better financial shape now. To me, that is exploitation, to others....well.:glare:

[Katprint]

Now that would be just beyond tacky...Totally classless, but then what does one expect...

IF this "public" memorial actually took place within our lifetimes,...and if uninvited "guests' showed up.....what kind of a fit do you think we would see from Cindy? she is just too confrontational.....doesnt choose her battles wisely...which is why shes losing her not-so-private war.
I am certainly not suggesting anyone should gatecrash a private memorial/burial/funeral. Yikes!

And quite frankly, there are some very good security firms who will hire out professional security guards for temp assignments, and those professionals would surely do a better job than Cindy. For example, I am sure there was security in place for President Reagan's funeral in 2004 albeit probably provided by the government. Nothing wrong with it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[GumShoeJoe]

I definitely hear the word "hope" also. (after all that crap about her gut telling her things). LOL.


(Only tagging onto your post because it is the most recent on the subject, this is not to you in particular, thanks.)


I don't understand how close to "hope" would be a bigger clue than close to "home", anyway.

[WillowInFlight]

Boy am I ever confused. It was my understanding Baez was in control per the last court hearing. Then Conway chimed in and made a public announcement thru the media that he was concerned with grave robbers.

It sounds like she is being forgotten with so many people giving advice and direction.

Didn't Conway say Cindy was busy planning the memorial, picking out songs and whatnot?

[AMS]

Sorry if this has alread been posted. Here's the psychic's web site.

http://www.paranormaladvisors.com/about.html

[summer4meplz]

Sounds like the public memorial would be our business :shrug:

In essence it's a private and a public/private memorial.

I don't recall one of those ever taking place. A lot of firsts here for sure.


Lenny might be honery enough to go to the public one....(is that how you spell honery?

[steffaroob4]

Sheriff's office details complaints against deputy who handled Caylee tip (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-sheriff-complaint-caylee011309,0,7383857.story)

[101Spots]

IMO this is like when a couple gets married and sends out announcements to acquaintances like coworkers who were not invited to the wedding or their second cousins whom they have never met, in hopes of shaking loose some wedding gifts. So, perhaps the memorial is "public" in the sense that the general public is invited to send sympathy cards - hopefully containing a monetary donation - but is private in the sense that the public is not invited to actually attend.

Alternatively, maybe it is "public" in the sense that the Anthonys hope to sell DVDs of it along with the rest of those "missing Caylee" shirts and bracelets. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys may arrange to have the media broadcast it to the general public. Or "public" in the sense that the Anthonys have no concept of "private" when it comes to the quiet dignified respect that the mortal remains of their beloved granddaughter ought to be receiving instead of unabashed exploitation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Proof again that you have a fine touch when putting coherent thoughts into words.

<envision applause icon here>

[Dunlurken]

Didn't Conway say Cindy was busy planning the memorial, picking out songs and whatnot?
Don't listen to attornies. They know not of what they speak. JMO.

[Lavenia]

(Only tagging onto your post because it is the most recent on the subject, this is not to you in particular, thanks.)


I don't understand how close to "hope" would be a bigger clue than close to "home", anyway.

I totally agree! (Hey Joe! :seeya:)

[*MoonRider*]

I think the poster was asking a ?. Seems to me, they want opinions or an answer.

If everything is none of your business, curious as to why your posting on here.

jmo

Maybe that's what the siggy should say so he/she doesn't have to keep repeating themselves. :shrug:

[WillowInFlight]

Very true....if you recall the emails between brother Rick and other family members, this family was in dire financial straits before this. They appear to be in much better financial shape now. To me, that is exploitation, to others....well.:glare:

Remember Cindy's mom's email stating how George and Casey were draining Cindy financially?

[spiritwolf46]

Very true....if you recall the emails between brother Rick and other family members, this family was in dire financial straits before this. They appear to be in much better financial shape now. To me, that is exploitation, to others....well.:glare:

Hiya Snoopy! Good to see you. ITA! Exactly! How are they able to do what they do without having been banking on this little girl all along. Does anyone think that the gas, electric, water companies care and wouldn't shut them off when neither is working? The bank may but not for long and how about car loans?

These people have been paid blood money and there is not one doubt in my mind of just that!

Shame on them!

[WillowInFlight]

Don't listen to attornies. They know not of what they speak. JMO.

I'm sure glad you added "JMO".

[~layla~]

I have had to use my cell phone records to support something in a court case. The itemized bill or call log if you will is kept for 90 days with my company.... tmobile ... But Im not sure if all companies are required to for the same amount of time.

My personal opine was she was trying to sell me Verizon or at least make me remember them by her Verizon chant last night.

Im going on record to say... her story is bogus. (for the alibi of PIs phone call)

[missinglink]

(Only tagging onto your post because it is the most recent on the subject, this is not to you in particular, thanks.)


I don't understand how close to "hope" would be a bigger clue than close to "home", anyway.

LOL! I agree. Hope is close to Home, and Home is close to Hope.

[CNTM]

Sheriff's office details complaints against deputy who handled Caylee tip (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-sheriff-complaint-caylee011309,0,7383857.story)

Thank you! :thumbsup:

[dgfred]

Elle, you made sense to me...

Me too, nice post indeed.

[happy2bme]

Remember Cindy's mom's email stating how George and Casey were draining Cindy financially?

Clearly...just read it yesterday.

[summer4meplz]

Great post. I think if Cindy is getting anything from her company it is in the form of long term disability. For the company I worked for you could purchase LTD and if you were deemed eligible you could get that for the rest of your life. I think that is probably where the Anthony's are getting some of their money. George could also be getting some form of LTD from his company as well.


I would be so curious to know if cindy purchased that kind of insurance

[WillowInFlight]

Good idea, so I can assume that anyone that states they are 100% correct of what Caylee's remains are in has called the funeral home and it was confirmed by then?

JMO

I doubt very much if the funeral home would give out that information.

[jammies]

Lenny might be honery enough to go to the public one....(is that how you spell honery?




LMAO!!! It's "ornery" but I loved your spelling! Might apply more to Baez!

[shelban53]

(Only tagging onto your post because it is the most recent on the subject, this is not to you in particular, thanks.)


I don't understand how close to "hope" would be a bigger clue than close to "home", anyway.

because that makes it more obvious she is close to home, home is generic but hope should have gotten lee's attention.

[Daffodil]

I believe that Cindy fought against any belief she had that Caylee was dead. I believe that Casey has in the past witheld Caylee from her and that what was meant by Lee when he asked Casey 'is this like last time?', I believe she thought she would get Caylee back. When she smelled the car, I can only imagine the horror that was quickly pushed away and replaced by hope and prayer that it had nothing to do with Caylee. She pleaded for George to tell her the smell was the pizza, and he complied. She held on to that for dear life. She was also surrounded by 'experts' who would tell her what she needed to hear. She needed something, anything to hold on to, a shred of hope in the face of cold hard evidence, and it was given to her.

I believe she is extremely angry, and despite her casting the blame everwhere else, I believe she has placed alot of it upon herself, and defers it because it is too much to bear, do I think that is right, no way, but I think she is survival mode. I see a woman fighting against what she knows to be the truth and what she needs to be the truth. I see a woman when confronted with it becoming angry and defiant in the face of it. I see the defense of Casey as her trying to convince herself of the things she is saying.

I believe her need to have it be anyone but Casey is to not get Casey off because she wants CAsey to get away with it, but because if Casey gets off, it will in Cindy's head validate her and the truth she has created, and she will use that as confirmation that Caylee was not killed by the little girl that she raised.

I think that Cindy's need for control is because she had none where she so desperately needed to, so she tries to control anything she can.

Do I agree with how she has handled things? No. Do I think there has been obstruction? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Am I sympathetic to a woman in obvious crisis? Yes.

Here is the part where I feel like I am 2 different people, where I feel like I am talking out of both sides of my mouth, A beautiful little girl was murdered by her mother, whom I hope never takes one breath as a free woman. As much as I sympathize with Cindy, this is not about her. I will be outraged if her need for the truth she created to be THE truth, creates doubt in a jurors mind setting the murderer of Caylee free. God I go back and forth, I do understand her need for creating a different reality, but if in doing so she helps get Casey off, well that is absolutely NOT justice for Caylee, and seeking justice for Caylee should trump everything. I pray the jury can remain focused and hold Casey Anthony responsible and send back a verdict of guilty of Murder in the first degree, committed against her daughter 2 year old Caylee Marie Anthony.

I am really sorry this is so long. I don't even know if I made any sense.

Oh, yes you made so much sense. I agree and have thought somewhat the same. What would we all do to avoid the reality that our child killed her own child. That may be the reason that Cindy does not show any emotions. She is holding on soooo tight that if she gives in to any the damn may break.

And Yes, I also go back on forth on EVERYTHING in this case.

[CNTM]

Good idea, so I can assume that anyone that states they are 100% correct of what Caylee's remains are in has called the funeral home and it was confirmed by then?

JMO

Unless other arrangements have been made, yes. That's the standard in the funeral home business. Some other container may very well have been provided, but we haven't been informed of that.

[skysblue]

Isn't it crazy the way Casey talks in code and her family gets the message from what she is saying?


It is weird, but I wonder if maybe the're reading too much into what she says. I think she talks in circles and does everything she can to wear you down so you give up and just stop asking. Yet somehow over the years this family has taken that and evolved it into some secret code. She probably laughs her behind off everytime she watches them try to decifer her nonsense.

[shelban53]

LMAO!!! It's "ornery" but I loved your spelling! Might apply more to Baez!

it is if your refering to a man

I like lenny but I dont think he will stoop so low as to attend if he specifically was asked not to attend.

[Snoopy50]

Remember Cindy's mom's email stating how George and Casey were draining Cindy financially?
I do, those emails were pretty sympathetic towards Cindy and very critical of George not been able to hold down a job. Their finances have improved with this case, and personally, I find that disgusting.:angry:

[smileyjoe]

(Only tagging onto your post because it is the most recent on the subject, this is not to you in particular, thanks.)


I don't understand how close to "hope" would be a bigger clue than close to "home", anyway.

Well, yeah theres that.

Joe.

[WillowInFlight]

Clearly...just read it yesterday.

Didn't her mom also write that because of that burden, Cindy had suicidal thoughts?

[happygert]

ITA, it is disgusting! And I will add that if that were me, I would not even have it in me to get back with people who wants Tee shirts and braclets, for I would be TOO choked up over my granddaughter's death and my daughter killing her!

Money, money, money! That is all it is about with these horrifying people! :cursing::cursing:

ITA ....Not about Caylee at all its about the MONEY!! period

[~layla~]

Didn't Conway say Cindy was busy planning the memorial, picking out songs and whatnot?


Mostly just whatnot.

[CelticDawn]

I am certainly not suggesting anyone should gatecrash a private memorial/burial/funeral. Yikes!

And quite frankly, there are some very good security firms who will hire out professional security guards for temp assignments, and those professionals would surely do a better job than Cindy. For example, I am sure there was security in place for President Reagan's funeral in 2004 albeit probably provided by the government. Nothing wrong with it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I know thats not what you were suggesting.

BTW I always look forward to your posts....so informative.

Of course I am sure they would probably have a security firm handle those matters for them....but I can see cindy getting combative if particular people had the gall to show up.

[Katprint]

Don't listen to attornies. They know not of what they speak. JMO.
Hey now! That's hardly fair!

Just don't listen to the attorneys who are advocating for their clients.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[RockStarGirl]

Canadian forensic anthropologist joins Casey Anthony's defense
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:59 AM EST, January 14, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

"My role in the case is basically peer review," Fairgrieve told the Orlando Sentinel. "I will be reviewing reports on the evidence. So far everything I've done has been remotely."

Good Afternoon All,

Still catching up after trying to get some work done this morning. I apologize if this has already been stated, but I wonder if this guy is added due to Koby no longer being on the team. I don't know for sure that he isn't on the team, but haven't heard from him in a while. I realize that his role was mainly for the DNA evidence and since Caylee has been found, maybe they don't need him as much. JMO

[CNTM]

I doubt very much if the funeral home would give out that information.

I would hope they wouldn't Willow. But you never know who might try to find out the private details!:rolleyes:

Gonna go get some real bait and go fishin'.

[Snoopy50]

Hiya Snoopy! Good to see you. ITA! Exactly! How are they able to do what they do without having been banking on this little girl all along. Does anyone think that the gas, electric, water companies care and wouldn't shut them off when neither is working? The bank may but not for long and how about car loans?

These people have been paid blood money and there is not one doubt in my mind of just that!

Shame on them!
Hi Spirit,
I agree, no way Jose would they be able to sustain themselves without all the blood money. their families are sure not coming to the rescue, and in fact, the families have been nowhere around since Day One.:blink:

[summer4meplz]

I'm wondering if it's the opposite. They've closed ranks. Any dissension your seeing is staged re: non-visits.


but why have they not memorialized Caylee do you think? to me it seems like they are having one last Caylee-tug-of-war....but I easily could be wrong.....I also could be wrong about spelling dissension...

[happy2bme]

Didn't her mom also write that because of that burden, Cindy had suicidal thoughts?


yes she did. Cindy said the only thing that kept her sane was her job.

[Dunlurken]

Good idea, so I can assume that anyone that states they are 100% correct of what Caylee's remains are in has called the funeral home and it was confirmed by then?

JMO

You have been a very good voice of reason on these boards for a long time. Thank you!

I have been concerned that the funeral home could be broken in to for some time. But it appears as though the security is rather tight.

I can't remember the name.... something like Roger Nathan funeral home and crematory comes to mind. I noticed immediately that it was also a crematory when I saw the video on NG.

If anyone remembers the name of the funeral home and crematory call them and ask. JMO.

[summer4meplz]

I interpreted "these people" as D. Casey and the newest psychic ('she'-in the post). "We" from Peter's post would be us-the message board posters. I think you might want to re read the post. Just is silly to start an "issue" over a reading error. jmo


if you've read all the posts...you'll see that it was explained.....no issue here...we can move along

[?noanswer]

I am certainly not suggesting anyone should gatecrash a private memorial/burial/funeral. Yikes!

And quite frankly, there are some very good security firms who will hire out professional security guards for temp assignments, and those professionals would surely do a better job than Cindy. For example, I am sure there was security in place for President Reagan's funeral in 2004 albeit probably provided by the government. Nothing wrong with it.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

If I was in the A's position, and hopefully I never will be, I would have a private memorial for immediate family members. I would organize a public memorial for anyone who wants to attend, but I would not attend. I probably would not even wait for the remains to be released unless I had a definite date.

JMO

[CelticDawn]

I believe that Cindy fought against any belief she had that Caylee was dead. I believe that Casey has in the past witheld Caylee from her and that what was meant by Lee when he asked Casey 'is this like last time?', I believe she thought she would get Caylee back. When she smelled the car, I can only imagine the horror that was quickly pushed away and replaced by hope and prayer that it had nothing to do with Caylee. She pleaded for George to tell her the smell was the pizza, and he complied. She held on to that for dear life. She was also surrounded by 'experts' who would tell her what she needed to hear. She needed something, anything to hold on to, a shred of hope in the face of cold hard evidence, and it was given to her.

I believe she is extremely angry, and despite her casting the blame everwhere else, I believe she has placed alot of it upon herself, and defers it because it is too much to bear, do I think that is right, no way, but I think she is survival mode. I see a woman fighting against what she knows to be the truth and what she needs to be the truth. I see a woman when confronted with it becoming angry and defiant in the face of it. I see the defense of Casey as her trying to convince herself of the things she is saying.

I believe her need to have it be anyone but Casey is to not get Casey off because she wants CAsey to get away with it, but because if Casey gets off, it will in Cindy's head validate her and the truth she has created, and she will use that as confirmation that Caylee was not killed by the little girl that she raised.

I think that Cindy's need for control is because she had none where she so desperately needed to, so she tries to control anything she can.

Do I agree with how she has handled things? No. Do I think there has been obstruction? Yes. Do I condone it? No. Am I sympathetic to a woman in obvious crisis? Yes.

Here is the part where I feel like I am 2 different people, where I feel like I am talking out of both sides of my mouth, A beautiful little girl was murdered by her mother, whom I hope never takes one breath as a free woman. As much as I sympathize with Cindy, this is not about her. I will be outraged if her need for the truth she created to be THE truth, creates doubt in a jurors mind setting the murderer of Caylee free. God I go back and forth, I do understand her need for creating a different reality, but if in doing so she helps get Casey off, well that is absolutely NOT justice for Caylee, and seeking justice for Caylee should trump everything. I pray the jury can remain focused and hold Casey Anthony responsible and send back a verdict of guilty of Murder in the first degree, committed against her daughter 2 year old Caylee Marie Anthony.

I am really sorry this is so long. I don't even know if I made any sense.

this is the best explanation of why cindy behaves as she does that I have ever seen on any board anywhere.

Most of us see what she does and not why....Not that the why justifies it.

[happygert]

Yeah... what did you miss?

Caylee was never a missing child. Ever.

Caylee is & was a murder victim from the very beginning.

I know you knew that.


Yep LandShark with out a doubt!

So did CA and GA...

[CNTM]

I agree, so how can anyone state as fact something that can't be verified?

JMO

I did not state that you can verify exactly what the remains are in right this minute, I stated what is standard and that the family can make other arrangements.


Now, I'm going fishin'!:seeya:

[Pruddennce]

look, i don't know if she's lying or not, but she sounded credible to me, unlike the St John chick....everything Lukas said with the local news station 'fits' with what went down that day, with D Casey, imo.....the way she was treated last night, on NG, i'm sure she'll do everything in her power to prove what she said was the truth....i don't think she's some crackpot bimbo...she's got background in working with LE on cases in the past....she said she hadn't been to FL in over a year...she knows this can be verified too......

she didn't say anything reprehensible, imo....nothing any worse than what 'talking heads' have been saying for months...nothing any worse than what people have been speculating on message boards for months either.....

i'm not into psychics, by no means, but i still don't think she was lying...if i'm wrong; who cares?..big deal

background? where is a chron of her 'involvement' with any case connected with LE?

a bunch of generic blah blah blah on their website.

who cares? thats quite a posture regarding the endless self-serving media seeking bottom feeders

its laughable: cant get the phone records.

right.

similar to casey and her claim the only tele # that doesnt show up in all of the months/years she had ZFG as a nanny, and there are no #'s incoming or outgoing. specifically the day she claimed her daughter is on the other end of the phone...

calling from her grave...of course there is no tele # associated with a GARBAGE bag left out in the elements.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Dunlurken]

Hey now! That's hardly fair!

Just don't listen to the attorneys who are advocating for their clients.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I don't know how to respond. LOL. You hit the nail on the head though. All attornies are advocating for their clients. Prosecution and defense alike. This will be one rough case.

Forensics will be monumental IMO.

[5boxersmom]

but why have they not memorialized Caylee do you think? to me it seems like they are having one last Caylee-tug-of-war....but I easily could be wrong.....I also could be wrong about spelling dissension...

I wonder about that too.

[islandgirl36542]

I wonder if that crazy Westboro Baptist Church will show up at memorial/burial/funeral & how cindy would react to them :ohmy:

[read-in]

why is it, that the defense gets all the BIG NAME experts
Is it all for show???:sneaky: it is like they are saying, See, casey is innnocent, that why we have all these big shots giving her their free time... cuz.... with all the evidence, big wigs woulnt waste their time would they????

[happygert]

Lenny might be honery enough to go to the public one....(is that how you spell honery?

I give LP credit for that.. seems like complete strangers have more compassion and respect for Caylee then her own flesh and blood... I know a lot don't like LP, but I do he stepped up to the plate to give this poor little baby some respect and dignity...JMHO.

Ok got my armour on ...

[SavannahStar]

You are correct.


I thought maybe it was not against TOS because there was a link just the other day for that "monkeys" message board, and nothing was said about it.

[nothingnew]

I don't get it happygert! Why of all the things that could be hawked.... would a Have You Seen Me t-shirt be for sale....Unless, it's supposed to be a "collectors" edition shirt. mo

To me it just represents this familys total lack of respect for Caylee and their unmitigated GREED. We all remember the protesters and how a few of them went over the top, and the memorial site with the "baby Killer" note left on top. So what I would like to know is for that small $10 fee for the 'souvenir' shirt-what will stop people from buying the dang shirt and using a sharpie to write under the picture of the Live Caylee and the "Have You Seen Me?"- "NO!! Because my mommy killed me before I turned 3!!"
Sorry if anyone is offended by this but the whole shirt thing is just sick. When I see her picture and the "Have you seen me?" it just turns my stomach because of the condition we know that baby is in now-by herself-AGAIN!

[WillowInFlight]

If the money is actually going to a reputable charity, why would they not reply to emails asking which charity they're supporting? Someone mentioned yesterday that the money is probably going to Kid Finders. What does that tell you?

It could be going towards the "Anthony Charity"

[Neffy]

If this psycic (sp) woman was for real.... then, just my thinking here,
1) she would know exactly where the remains were
2) she would know who the real killer was...
3) she would know how and why she was killed
4) would not need a cell phone to explain all,
cuz, cant she just transmit that her message with brain waves or something??

Well her vision had Casey leaving the woods in that area. D Casey just couldn't go by her verbal description it sounds like. No wonder they didn't go public with that tidbit.

That takes care of 1 & 2.

If it wasn't her on the phone then someone else tipped him regarding 1 & 2.

[KP1935]

You are correct on those 2 houses belong to F&G, but there is a 3rd house on another st. close to the A's. The 3rd house is supposedly the one the Psychic directed DC to search around. JMO

Were the remains found in the woods between the two houses?

Yes, I heard LP correct himself last night on NG that the cement blocks were 100-150 feet away from the remains, not 12 feet as NG had reported previously.

[happygert]

why is it, that the defense gets all the BIG NAME experts
Is it all for show???:sneaky: it is like they are saying, See, casey is innnocent, that why we have all these big shots giving her their free time... cuz.... with all the evidence, big wigs woulnt waste their time would they????

There's one missing from that list unless I missed his name......Koblinski.

[WillowInFlight]

Well her vision had Casey leaving the woods in that area. D Casey just couldn't go by her verbal description it sounds like. No wonder they didn't go public with that tidbit.

That takes care of 1 & 2.

If it wasn't her on the phone then someone else tipped him regarding 1 & 2.

And Baez was quick to say it wasn't him.

[CelticDawn]

Isn't it crazy the way Casey talks in code and her family gets the message from what she is saying?

someone in my family likened her to the crazy doctor in silence of the lambs....and It SO fits. she plays on words a lot!

[desmom]

Didn't Conway say Cindy was busy planning the memorial, picking out songs and whatnot?

Yes, last week.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[Dunlurken]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?

[WillowInFlight]

There's one missing from that list unless I missed his name......Koblinski.

He wasn't on the list the last time they appeared in court, last week. Maybe they think he talked to much on NG.

[spiritwolf46]

I give LP credit for that.. seems like complete strangers have more compassion and respect for Caylee then her own flesh and blood... I know a lot don't like LP, but I do he stepped up to the plate to give this poor little baby some respect and dignity...JMHO.

Ok got my armour on ...


Don't need armour for me, Happy. ITA with your post. Goes to show you that you do not necessarily have to "like" someone to see what good that person has done.

Good post.

[AlohaRainbow]

Canadian forensic anthropologist joins Casey Anthony's defense
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:59 AM EST, January 14, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

"My role in the case is basically peer review," Fairgrieve told the Orlando Sentinel. "I will be reviewing reports on the evidence. So far everything I've done has been remotely."

interesting - what happened to kathy reichs? i wonder - is this in addition to her, or a replacement?

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, last week.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

Thanks for the link des.

[Dells]

I bet the Peterson's are sorry for carrying that trial out...just think if Scott had said it was an accident and he panicked....He would be getting out soon....

If the Anthony's would have been smart, they would have given that a lot of thought and if Baez was any kind of attorney, he probably should have given Casey some real good advice.....Too late now.....

I agree w/you. I feel that Baez from the beginning should have tried to convince Casey to go w/that it was an accident. Who knows, maybe he did try that route and Casey did not want to have to admit that she in any way, shape or form contributed to Caylee's death? In the end, that type of attitude will be her undoing because she will most likely get LWOP. If she would have pleaded to it being an accident, then she could have served her time and then eventually gotten out of jail when she was young enough where she could make some sort of life for herself.

[Stella Rose]

Hi PROPROS, I don't get it either.. only thing I could think of is they have the shirts and they want the money ..Here they are screaming people are making money off of Caylee .Then they are still selling bracelets and Tee shirt's with "Have You Seen Me" On them after she's been found dead? It's got to be about the money thats the only thing I can think of. Pretty disgusting if you ask me

I have followed quite a few "missing persons" cases and as I recall, every one set up a website, had a place to print out flyers for free... and that was it. Does anyone remember a case where the family of the "missing" person was actually selling merchandise like it was a booth at the dang state fair or something?

The whole thing stinks. Especially since it was a fraud from the beginning and Caylee was ever missing...

[CelticDawn]

I don't get it happygert! Why of all the things that could be hawked.... would a Have You Seen Me t-shirt be for sale....Unless, it's supposed to be a "collectors" edition shirt. mo

since caylees remains were recovered....they fall into collectors item category ....but not for normal people I would think....Its a little bit ghoulish I think....

[bluwaters]

Sheriff's office details complaints against deputy who handled Caylee tip
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-sheriff-complaint-caylee011309,0,7383857.story?track=rss

[crimeq]

I dont want a tshirt, I just want to know what charities the proceed are being donated to.

I doubt the proceeds are going to charity. I think the A's will make as much money off their tragedy as possible.

As far as who would want to buy the Caylee shirts/bracelets: it's been mentioned that Casey's trial is already being billed "the crime of the century". While I find it sick, Caylee t-shirts and bracelets could well become collectors items.

[Neffy]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?


Like walkway stones you'd put down. There also used in landscaping to build small islands around your outdoor shrubs and plants. Fancy bricks :)

[Pat]

Snip
I have been concerned that the funeral home could be broken in to for some time. But it appears as though the security is rather tight.

.

Good grief, Dunnie! By who? This particular case isn't the 'Case of the Century'...I would respectfully suggest the Scott Peterson case holds that title, in terms of murdering a child.

There was never a suggestion that Caylee's remains might be stolen/disinterred/etc., until Conway...the A's attorney...suggested it!

If folks were inclined to do something so horrific, why not in the Peterson case...or more to point, since you think a Floridian might do this...the Terry Schiavo case? Emotions certainly flared high over that one.

This is Conway, maybe speaking for Cindy, adding drama to a case already full of it. So unnecessary.

My opinion, with which I'm sure you'll disagree...no problem.

[*MoonRider*]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?
They are removable bricks that are laid in sand, usually around a pool area. Here's a photo on the Ant's back yard where you can see them
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/yard-1.jpg

[happygert]

Were the remains found in the woods between the two houses?

Yes, I heard LP correct himself last night on NG that the cement blocks were 100-150 feet away from the remains, not 12 feet as NG had reported previously.

PADILLA: I made a statement last night that he was 12 feet from the body when he was by the pavers. The pavers that he was at are 150 feet down from the actual site where the body was found.

He said previously that There was pavers found near Caylee's body.
IMO what he's saying is these weren't the right pavers that DC was BY.

[nothingnew]

when Cindy publicly chastised the media, the public, and LE they invited us into their business. Her comments like "I'm telling everybody, get off your a** and look for my granddaughter" (among others) pretty much open the door for the public to look into their personal biz.

This one I'm kind of on the fence about but yes, I agree with what you're saying. I also think that when cindy and company went into the wallets of the taxpayers of the great state of Florida squandering cash that they did not earn (oh, the irony!) sending LE, FBI and parasitic maggots far and wide on their zany goosechases, THAT made it public fodder.
Gee, maybe I wasn't on the fence, I take that back. I was on the fence.... Was I on the fence? No, I wasn't on the fence. (had to throw that in just in case we don't get to hear any lawyer speak today)

[summer4meplz]

Perhaps it makes no sense to you CC, but it does make sense to a lot of people. I had my dad's ashes in an urn for many years til my mom died and then they were buried with her. It just depends upon the person who is responsible for those ashes as to what they feel is "right".

I'm sorry for your loss....but I don't think a murder victim that does not have a cause of death should be cremated.....science might come up with a better test in the future that could tell exactly what drugs had been in her system...or some other info that we don't have now....

that's just my opinion...

[WillowInFlight]

I have followed quite a few "missing persons" cases and as I recall, every one set up a website, had a place to print out flyers for free... and that was it. Does anyone remember a case where the family of the "missing" person was actually selling merchandise like it was a booth at the dang state fair or something?

The whole thing stinks. Especially since it was a fraud from the beginning and Caylee was ever missing...
And the thing about this family is, they set up the website, seeking donations the night that Caylee was reported missing. I don't think I would have been in my sound mind to think of that then.

[Dunlurken]

What I find interesting, while I wait for someone to explain what pavers are, is that Casey could have copped a plea from day one and said it was an accident. Baez has turned this into a 3-ring circus and sure is earning his money.
Guess that's what happens when you ask other inmates which attorney to to contact. LOL.

[CelticDawn]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?

. A paving stone, paving brick, or paver tile.
2. A half-thickness paving brick, used as a floor finish.
3. A self-propelled machine that places concrete.

[101Spots]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?

Pavers are large brick-like "stones" often made of concrete. They come in many shapes (rectangular, square, octagonal)and colors, and are used in decorative walls, floors, driveways (if you're rich), or garden borders. Think of a brick that is just a bit larger than normal, made of concrete - or a cobblestone walk.

[SavannahStar]

Check out post 288. It is not a message board it is an obnoxious, vulgar youtube link. :angry:

I was responding to the "yes it is" which in turn was in response to this:

Ditto. Isn't it against TOS to post links to other message boards, especially links containing obscene XXX rated language?

[marshmallow]

If this psycic (sp) woman was for real.... then, just my thinking here,
1) she would know exactly where the remains were
2) she would know who the real killer was...
3) she would know how and why she was killed
4) would not need a cell phone to explain all,
cuz, cant she just transmit that her message with brain waves or something??


we could test her by having her give me the next two sets of winning lottery numbers. I'm that commited that I'm willing to do it for the team ;)



I read a bit about the psychic's claims and so far I've seen nothing that says she should be believed.

[nc1948]

I'm leaning towards them waiving the cost.

I cnanot find link, but I THINK I remember reading or hearing that they indeed were donating the funeral costs.

[CelticDawn]

I'm curious as to why all the "experts" for the defense are all out of towners. Don't they have any "reliable experts" in Fl?

Ooops, I think I answered my own question.
jmo

I dont think anybody who l lives anywhere near this mess would want to be involved....and no money.

[WillowInFlight]

Good grief, Dunnie! By who? This particular case isn't the 'Case of the Century'...I would respectfully suggest the Scott Peterson case holds that title, in terms of murdering a child.

There was never a suggestion that Caylee's remains might be stolen/disinterred/etc., until Conway...the A's attorney...suggested it!

If folks were inclined to do something so horrific, why not in the Peterson case...or more to point, since you think a Floridian might do this...the Terry Schiavo case? Emotions certainly flared high over that one.

This is Conway, maybe speaking for Cindy, adding drama to a case already full of it. So unnecessary.

My opinion, with which I'm sure you'll disagree...no problem.

You know I don't even think ANS's grave is being guarded any more, and she was buried with some glitter.

[spiritwolf46]

I have followed quite a few "missing persons" cases and as I recall, every one set up a website, had a place to print out flyers for free... and that was it. Does anyone remember a case where the family of the "missing" person was actually selling merchandise like it was a booth at the dang state fair or something?

The whole thing stinks. Especially since it was a fraud from the beginning and Caylee was ever missing...

Good afternoon Stella.

I completely agree! This whole thing DOES stink and I am with you, I have NEVER seen anything like this before in my life!!!

How very very sad for that little girl to have been born into a family such as this.

My heart still aches for little Caylee. :crying:

[desmom]

Okay, silly question once again. What are "pavers". Lenny keeps referring to them and I don't have a clue what they are.

Anyone?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paving_stone_(flooring)

[Katprint]

It could be going towards the "Anthony Charity"
One of the big bug-a-boos with charities is that their CEOs and other "executives" can be paid very large salaries and/or the vast majority of funds raised can be spent on "operating expenses" that benefit the CEO/executives. For example, The Association for Firefighters & Paramedics spends only 2% of its $3.9 million budget on its programs and services. http://www.charitynavigator.org/index.cfm?bay=studies.ceo Unfortunately this is not illegal.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[nc1948]

:seeya:
Hi everyone, anyone mind if i join in now and then???
new here, but really love reading of you....


Welcome, jump in, water is fine. Can always use another opinion.

[summer4meplz]

What I find interesting, while I wait for someone to explain what pavers are, is that Casey could have copped a plea from day one and said it was an accident. Baez has turned this into a 3-ring circus and sure is earning his money.
Guess that's what happens when you ask other inmates which attorney to to contact. LOL.


I'm not even sure if THAT'S true.....I seem to remember LE saying she had no contact with other inmates.....

[Mandysmom]

Oh my goodness, what a good point.

ellegna posted this link to Caylee's guest book earlier today.

Caylee's Guest Book
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/Gue...onId=121581033

[101Spots]

You know I don't even think ANS's grave is being guarded any more, and she was buried with some glitter.

**Some** glitter???? I though she cornered the market. There's none left over after that funeral. Money doesn't buy good taste.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm not even sure if THAT'S true.....I seem to remember LE saying she had no contact with other inmates.....

Summer I do remember it being stated, maybe by Lee that she got Baez's name from another inmate.

[Dunlurken]

Like walkway stones you'd put down. There also used in landscaping to build small islands around your outdoor shrubs and plants. Fancy bricks :)

Thank you. I just blew myself out while googling pavers. I keep hearing about "pavers", but here's my question. Why would there be pavers in that wooded area where Caylee was found?
JMO.

Originally, I thought they were cement blocks, and people on this boards speculated they were used as weights in the bag.

shaking my head.

[Katprint]

Good grief, Dunnie! By who? This particular case isn't the 'Case of the Century'...I would respectfully suggest the Scott Peterson case holds that title, in terms of murdering a child.

There was never a suggestion that Caylee's remains might be stolen/disinterred/etc., until Conway...the A's attorney...suggested it!

If folks were inclined to do something so horrific, why not in the Peterson case...or more to point, since you think a Floridian might do this...the Terry Schiavo case? Emotions certainly flared high over that one.

This is Conway, maybe speaking for Cindy, adding drama to a case already full of it. So unnecessary.

My opinion, with which I'm sure you'll disagree...no problem.
Additionally, as I previously posted http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12648826&postcount=1232 , it would be simple to have a thick concrete slab/platform cast over the grave then erect a lovely marker on top of the concrete slab. This is called a "False Tomb" ( http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/cem_glossary.pdf bottom of page 5) and of course it costs quite a bit more than cremation but it would pretty much guarantee that the remains would not be disturbed.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[RockStarGirl]

but why have they not memorialized Caylee do you think? to me it seems like they are having one last Caylee-tug-of-war....but I easily could be wrong.....I also could be wrong about spelling dissension...

I have been thinking all along that Casey is really upset with them regarding the Grand Jury hearing. She hasn't seen George since (I think). She was with Cindy that day, up until when she was arrested. So, I'm wondering if Baez is saying don't do anything with the body yet, I may need to do additional tests. They don't want to anger Casey anymore and I'm just wondering if it is because they are afraid either she will try and implicate them in some way or she will tell some family secrets that Cindy does not want told. Just speculating of course. It isn't important to the Anthony's to respect Caylee, they haven't yet. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

**Some** glitter???? I though she cornered the market. There's none left over after that funeral. Money doesn't buy good taste.

Well I was going to use another word, but I don't want time out.

[summer4meplz]

Summer I do remember it being stated, maybe by Lee that she got Baez's name from another inmate.


oh well...if Lee said it....lol :wink:

[darcie]

If nothing about ANYTHING posted on here is none of your business, may I ask then, WHY are you here at all? :shrug:

Me thinks they are here just to p^ss people off!

:tonguewag:

[WillowInFlight]

oh well...if Lee said it....lol :wink:

True true. :biggrin:

[happygert]

It could be going towards the "Anthony Charity"

Exactly!! Like to know how long they are going to keep this scam up?

Been 7 mos no jobs.....Umm maybe following in casey's foot steps.. no job but bills still getting paid..... dont know anyone who could go 7 months no job no income but yet pay 2 mortages, house insurance, car payments, car insurance,cell phones, home phones, Lights , gas, water, cable,buy food,feed the dogs,pay for attorneys, PI's and still have money. When finances were in the toilet and was behind in some payments as to cindy at casey's first bond hearing.....Must have found a MONEY TREE!.. OH well how stupid of me! hitting self in head :hammer: they did there dead granddaughter. :flamemad:

[desmom]

What I find interesting, while I wait for someone to explain what pavers are, is that Casey could have copped a plea from day one and said it was an accident. Baez has turned this into a 3-ring circus and sure is earning his money.
Guess that's what happens when you ask other inmates which attorney to to contact. LOL.

IMO, LE would have wanted Casey to lead them to Caylee's body. Would 31 days after the fact be long enough for evidence on the body to be destroyed by decomp? :shrug:

[Dunlurken]

Summer I do remember it being stated, maybe by Lee that she got Baez's name from another inmate.

It's on record. And you are correct. Lee asked her how she got her attorney. She didn't call her parents to seek an attorney, she asked other people in holding. They said "Baez is the best" (paraphrasing). Boy, did he get a cash cow.

Lee even asked if he was a public defender, meaning FREE.
JMO.

[read-in]

:huh:
Nothing about this case has ever made much sense to me....
from day 1--- thru 31--- and all that has been done, stated, lied about,hidden. Not one of these actors, seem the norm for a missing child, or family of murder victims... something really very very wrong with this whole picture.. dont know what. but hope to find out soon..

[CelticDawn]

What I find interesting, while I wait for someone to explain what pavers are, is that Casey could have copped a plea from day one and said it was an accident. Baez has turned this into a 3-ring circus and sure is earning his money.
Guess that's what happens when you ask other inmates which attorney to to contact. LOL.

. A paving stone, paving brick, or paver tile.
2. A half-thickness paving brick, used as a floor finish.
3. A self-propelled machine that places concrete.

[101Spots]

Thank you. I just blew myself out while googling pavers. I keep hearing about "pavers", but here's my question. Why would there be pavers in that wooded area where Caylee was found?
JMO.

Originally, I thought they were cement blocks, and people on this boards speculated they were used as weights in the bag.

shaking my head.

They break and are of no use in that condition.
They were shortened/shaped to fit on purpose, leaving odd ends and corners.
People dump trash anywhere and everywhere these days.
Joe SixPack had 4 left over and the refuse collector wouldn't take them.

Not unusual at all.

[WillowInFlight]

:huh:
Nothing about this case has ever made much sense to me....
from day 1--- thru 31--- and all that has been done, stated, lied about,hidden. Not one of these actors, seem the norm for a missing child, or family of murder victims... something really very very wrong with this whole picture.. dont know what. but hope to find out soon..
I don't think we have seen anything yet, wait until the trial starts.

[summer4meplz]

Please stop with the novels ok? oregongal and oneup too. takes up to much bandwith and it's not necessary to type out something that takes up an entire page. ok.


please don't speak for all of us.......I personally like reading all posts by every person whether it is long or short.....whether I agree or disagree.....now you have probably unnecessarily hurt someone's feelings and it is NOT your call....if Coldwater doesn't like it,,,,,she will let us know but until then.....:thumbdown:

[Stella Rose]

I would be so curious to know if cindy purchased that kind of insurance

I am much more interested in WHEN she purchased it. June 20 perhaps?

[happygert]

The only thing I got out of that was, 2 different spots where pavers were.........:confused::ohmy:

Exactly!!! wouldn't be surprised if the pavers were like the ones the A's were looking under in their backyard for Caylee..

[Dunlurken]

. A paving stone, paving brick, or paver tile.
2. A half-thickness paving brick, used as a floor finish.
3. A self-propelled machine that places concrete.

Thanks. Lots of different descriptions of pavers.

[CelticDawn]

It's on record. And you are correct. Lee asked her how she got her attorney. She didn't call her parents to seek an attorney, she asked other people in holding. They said "Baez is the best" (paraphrasing). Boy, did he get a cash cow.

Lee even asked if he was a public defender, meaning FREE.
JMO.

Yes...Holding!!....The only contact with inmates she would have...

Is she in Protective custody until after the trial???

why exactly is she isolated??

[spiritwolf46]

Please stop with the novels ok? oregongal and oneup too. takes up to much bandwith and it's not necessary to type out something that takes up an entire page. ok.

EXCUSE ME?????? Who in the he77 are you? These are some of the finest posters we have and if they want to write a novel, they can. That is why we have a SNIP option!!!!

[summer4meplz]

Exactly!! Like to know how long they are going to keep this scam up?

Been 7 mos no jobs.....Umm maybe following in casey's foot steps.. no job but bills still getting paid..... dont know anyone who could go 7 months no job no income but yet pay 2 mortages, house insurance, car payments, car insurance,cell phones, home phones, Lights , gas, water, cable,buy food,feed the dogs,pay for attorneys, PI's and still have money. When finances were in the toilet and was behind in some payments as to cindy at casey's first bond hearing.....Must have found a MONEY TREE!.. OH well how stupid of me! hitting self in head :hammer: they did there dead granddaughter. :flamemad:


that's why I want to know if cindy took out an insurance policy that gives her an income for life ......that would certainly go to proving the theory that this was a planned scam that went wrong.....imo

[Katprint]

I don't think we have seen anything yet, wait until the trial starts.
Too true. IIRC in the Spector case, LKB had the instantly-dead woman moving around, breathing, coughing, etc. This case already has dead squirrels climbing up into engine compartments, who knows what they will try to pin on zombie Caylee? Anything goes with these people.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Mimi428]

Didn't her mom also write that because of that burden, Cindy had suicidal thoughts?

Yes, she did write that. IIRC, she worded it to give the impression that Cindy indicated that the only reason that she was holding on was because of Caylee.

IOW, Casey & George had so continuously put her in a financial bind - to the point that she did not see how she would ever be completely free of it. It seems that Cindy found out that if she & George divorced, he would have legal claim to half of the community property - that would include the house & it most certainly would include half of her retirement (after she built it back up). He would be entitled to SS benefits under her number if she had accumulated more earnings than he had (& I'm sure she did).

Cindy's mother indicated that Cindy, after learning how much she would further lose if she continued with the divorce action, decided she would rather keep her house, which she had made payments on for all those years & since that meant she had to take George back (drop the divorce action), she did just that.

Now whatever else I may think of Cindy & her behavior, I can appreciate how utterly depressing it must have been to her to know that if she DID divorce George, she would end up having to sell her own house, in order to give him half the value. That would hurt. A whole lot.

I think there was also a bit of discussion in the emails from Cindy's mother indicating that Cindy feared that she would have to pay George alimony. Someone else will probably recall that portion better than I can.

JMO

[bluwaters]

Canadian forensic anthropologist joins Casey Anthony's defense
Walter Pacheco | Sentinel Staff Writer
11:59 AM EST, January 14, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-011409,0,7346015.story

"My role in the case is basically peer review," Fairgrieve told the Orlando Sentinel. "I will be reviewing reports on the evidence. So far everything I've done has been remotely."


Does anyone here know anything about this forensic anthropologist, Fairgrieve?

TIA

[fierce1]

EXCUSE ME?????? Who in the he77 are you? These are some of the finest posters we have and if they want to write a novel, they can. That is why we have a SNIP option!!!!

**shakes head**

[Dunlurken]

They break and are of no use in that condition.
They were shortened/shaped to fit on purpose, leaving odd ends and corners.
People dump trash anywhere and everywhere these days.
Joe SixPack had 4 left over and the refuse collector wouldn't take them.

Not unusual at all.

Thanks. I'm finally understanding what I thought they were at the beginning of this fiasco. Nothing more than pieces of brick/cement. JMO.

[5boxersmom]

Exactly!!! wouldn't be surprised if the pavers were like the ones the A's were looking under in their backyard for Caylee..

Me too. Something sent LE straight to the house after the remains were found.

jmo

[101Spots]

Thanks. Lots of different descriptions of pavers.

Pavers similar to those being discussed:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=4294961544&Ne=4294967294&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=pavers

[WillowInFlight]

that's why I want to know if cindy took out an insurance policy that gives her an income for life ......that would certainly go to proving the theory that this was a planned scam that went wrong.....imo

Isn't George on disability? That would mean he would get a check every month right?. There you have it, thats their source of income. LOL

[desmom]

Thank you. I just blew myself out while googling pavers. I keep hearing about "pavers", but here's my question. Why would there be pavers in that wooded area where Caylee was found?
JMO.

Originally, I thought they were cement blocks, and people on this boards speculated they were used as weights in the bag.

shaking my head.

Fly Dumping?

[CelticDawn]

Tried to delete post but wouldnt let me so I edited it

[summer4meplz]

**shakes head**

reported


that's interesting and so pertinant to Caylee's case....

[jammies]

Didn't her mom also write that because of that burden, Cindy had suicidal thoughts?


And since then GA has said he had them too. This is one messed up family. Yet who's the only one dead?

[ruth66]

. A paving stone, paving brick, or paver tile.
2. A half-thickness paving brick, used as a floor finish.
3. A self-propelled machine that places concrete.


Good Day everyone! Sorry I'm signing in late again and have not read all the posts this morning so bear with me. I was wondering if the pavers that everyone is discussing from the site where the remains were found are the same as the new pavers the A's put in shortly after CAYLEE dissappeared?

[Pat]

I'm with you there.

I'm curious as to why Cindy &/or George would supply a 'dowser/psychic' with a teddy bear belonging to Caylee & yet deny Tim Miller the same or something, anything, similar.


They were afraid he'd find her. MO

[spiritwolf46]

**shakes head**

reported


That is fine if I get banned. It was very unfair of you to say what you did! Report away! Oh and to display that you reported me is a bannable offense. If I get it, you should also.

[skysblue]

IMO, cindy and casey both do this.

Like mother, like daughter.

casey has picked up both parent's bad habits, cindy's emotional/mental issues and george's unemployment and financial issues. What a mess these people are.

[WillowInFlight]

And since then GA has said he had them too. This is one messed up family. Yet who's the only one dead?

You took that thought right out of my head.

[jammies]

Isn't George on disability? That would mean he would get a check every month right?. There you have it, thats their source of income. LOL


And just how is GA disabled? He seems pretty darn fit to me. He can't take an office job? I really really hate those that take advantage of the system on MY tax dollars.

[sukapi]

She's in a 12x12 cardboard box..in a cooler....like what you'd get a lot of copy paper in...I'm sure you seen them.. That was reported .


I don't know about FL but here in OK it's not 'just a cardboard box like you'd get copy paper in'. They are very thick cardboard, sealed, wrapped air tight and look really nice. I'm NOT saying I know what Caylee's remains are in, just saying if she were in the funeral home I'm familiar with that's how they would be preserved. :mellow:

[happygert]

Me too. Something sent LE straight to the house after the remains were found.

jmo

yep they secured that house ASAP....IMO there was a lot they found at the crime scene and The a's know it..

..Dang that reminds me when are they going to release those dang search warrants and inventory list. I know baez asked for them in last hearing...

I'm wanting a lot here also want to see casey's order lists for last 3 months..... and whos been sending her money.....

[spiritwolf46]

And since then GA has said he had them too. This is one messed up family. Yet who's the only one dead?

That is right, jammies. Caylee paid the ultimate price for the dysfunction of this whole family. I can't help but think that if Casey would have gotten the help that she needed and truly, deserved as a child, then things may have been so different!

This little girl was an innocent victim on the house of Anthony's and it makes me shudder to think of how she may have died. :(

[summer4meplz]

I don't know about FL but here in OK it's not 'just a cardboard box like you'd get copy paper in'. They are very thick cardboard, sealed, wrapped air tight and look really nice. I'm NOT saying I know what Caylee's remains are in, just saying if she were in the funeral home I'm familiar with that's how they would be preserved. :mellow:


hi fellow Okie.....welcome to the boards....

[Dunlurken]

Pavers similar to those being discussed:

http://www.lowes.com/lowes/lkn?action=productList&N=4294961544&Ne=4294967294&Ntk=i_products&Ntt=pavers
Thanks. I keep seeing a "surrounding wall" in some of the pictures. I was confused as to what pavers were. Nothing more than bricks. Okay, got it. Thanks again.

Lenny, if you are reading, please use the term "bricks". JMO.

[Mandysmom]

Clearly...just read it yesterday.

I did too, Happy. She also said she wished Cindy would stay off of the tv shows, she was dismayed at her calling Caylee, "that child" and of her loss of friends at work due to the big fiasco with George and her taking him back.

I think those emails said a lot of things that I was thinking. lol

[shellzbi]

This tread moves way to fast for me. Can someone answer the theory regarding the vacant house in the Anthony neighborhood? Thanks.

[Freefall]

Does anyone here know anything about this forensic anthropologist, Fairgrieve?

TIA

http://www.forensic-science.ca/

"Dr. Scott Fairgrieve - Forensic Science DVD VideoDr. Scott Fairgrieve has been a faculty member of Laurentian University (Sudbury, Ontario Canada) since 1991 and is currently the chair of the university’s department of forensic science. Dr. Fairgrieve serves as a forensic anthropology consultant to the Office of the Chief Coroner of Ontario, through the Northeastern Regional Forensic Pathology Unit. He is regularly sought out internationally to consult on cases of cremation homicides and has given expert witness testimony both in Canada and the United States for prosecution and defense."

[~layla~]

What I find interesting, while I wait for someone to explain what pavers are, is that Casey could have copped a plea from day one and said it was an accident. Baez has turned this into a 3-ring circus and sure is earning his money.
Guess that's what happens when you ask other inmates which attorney to to contact. LOL.


Did google and google images break on your computer? just wonderin'

[Daffodil]

Elle,

I really like reading your post. Please continue to share.

[Tracian]

I'm with you there.

I'm curious as to why Cindy &/or George would supply a 'dowser/psychic' with a teddy bear belonging to Caylee & yet deny Tim Miller the same or something, anything, similar.

Didn't the A's deny they were working or had worked with a psychic some time back?

[Daffodil]

I am much more interested in WHEN she purchased it. June 20 perhaps?

What a good point!!! Excellent job.

[Pat]

Forgive me...I'm sure it's been brought up before...what are the chances the A's will be charged with fraud (soliciting under false pretences type thing) once this entire fiasco is over?

[~layla~]

This tread moves way to fast for me. Can someone answer the theory regarding the vacant house in the Anthony neighborhood? Thanks.

Ill attempt it....

ZFG ... there are properties owned by people with the name of gonzales, not sure about the fernandez, and the name starts with "zen" .... so the person that mapped it all out (forgot who... yesterdays part II or III thread) .... said that those were the clues to find the body. Like an all points thing, and Caylee was in the middle of that. :shrug:

Im sure someone will come along and expand or correct my attempt.

[CelticDawn]

Isn't George on disability? That would mean he would get a check every month right?. There you have it, thats their source of income. LOL

that isn't enough money to sustain one person let alone make house, insurance, utility, vehicle, vehicle insurance on all vehicles, general maintenance of house and property and vehicles, clothing and food.

Cindy had it rough!

[nc1948]

To me it just represents this familys total lack of respect for Caylee and their unmitigated GREED. We all remember the protesters and how a few of them went over the top, and the memorial site with the "baby Killer" note left on top. So what I would like to know is for that small $10 fee for the 'souvenir' shirt-what will stop people from buying the dang shirt and using a sharpie to write under the picture of the Live Caylee and the "Have You Seen Me?"- "NO!! Because my mommy killed me before I turned 3!!"
Sorry if anyone is offended by this but the whole shirt thing is just sick. When I see her picture and the "Have you seen me?" it just turns my stomach because of the condition we know that baby is in now-by herself-AGAIN!

Was doing some reviewing of tapes yesterday and came across the one of Casey with the Caylee t-shirt tied so you could not read the number. I think this is also the one where she is wearing the stolen glasses The girl has gall.(SP) Her daughter is dead by her hands.

[Dunlurken]

They could be various types of material used in landscaping.

http://www.wikihow.com/Install-Pavers
Thanks, I got it. They are nothing more than pieces of brick. I am so engrossed in the case, when I hear 12 feet away from the pavers, then 150 feet away from the pavers, I go... "what's up". As the jury will do I'm sure.

Justice on my mind, that's all.

[CelticDawn]

Even the psychics are out of towners...

Would you want to be involved in that mess and have to LIVE THERE???

[bluwaters]

This is so funny, all yesterday morning it was talked about if they are still selling T-shirts, hours later they make a statement saying, if anyone wants these, here is how to get them, because I am sure a few people here sent them emails inquiring, not because they wanted them, but to see if they were still making money off the shirts, so they probably took the inquiring as legit interest, when it was not and made that statement on their myspace based on the inquires, that were just made to find a reason to shun these people, its obvious to me, but please go on tearing these people apart, its pretty constructive.

What?!? :confused:
The bottom line is that
they are still selling T-shirts.
They are still selling T-shirts?
Gross. :thumbdown:

Your post is very creative though, Mal.
Purely conjecture though.

[nothingnew]

LOL! I agree. Hope is close to Home, and Home is close to Hope.

Another poster earlier this morning said it sounded like how home would sound if you're nose was stuffed-"hobe" for home. Sorry I can't remember who posted that but it made more sense to me then the word "hope" coming out of caseys mouth regarding Caylee. Just another thing here that i'll never know for sure.

[desmom]

Does anyone here know anything about this forensic anthropologist, Fairgrieve?

TIA

According to the OS article, he helped JB in October regarding the use of cadaver dogs.

Here are some links about Scott Fairgrieve

http://www.wisecareers.ca/fcontent/profile/index.asp?id=57

http://www.forensicscience.laurentian.ca/BiographyScott.htm

http://www.forensicscience.laurentian.ca/PublicationsScott.htm lists several books and articles he has authored. It also includes:

Forensic Expert Witness Testimony/Subpoenas

June 18-19, 2001 Subpoena to testify at the trial of Mr. Richard Armstrong charged with one count of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder of Sean Barrett and Melody Lopez on St. Joseph Island, Ontario.

June 19, 2000 Preliminary hearing subpoena concerning the matter of Richard Armstrong, charged with one count of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder of Sean Barrett and Melody Lopez on St. Joseph Island, Ontario.

January 12, 1993 Evidence given for the prosecution at the Preliminary Hearing of Steven Lynn charged with the second degree murder of James Moffat of Sudbury.

May 27, 1993 Evidence given for the prosecution at the Trial of Steven Lynn, charged with the second degree murder of James Moffat of Sudbury.

[WillowInFlight]

that isn't enough money to sustain one person let alone make house, insurance, utility, vehicle, vehicle insurance on all vehicles, general maintenance of house and property and vehicles, clothing and food.

Cindy had it rough!
Yes she did, and I imagine she was so tired from work that she didn't have time to deal with what Casey was doing, which in turn gave Casey her sense of entitlement. IMO

[Tracian]

Isn't George on disability? That would mean he would get a check every month right?. There you have it, thats their source of income. LOL


I thought George said he was watching his favorite cooking show before he left for work...that is why he knew what time he last saw Casey and Caylee...

[CelticDawn]

Thanks, I got it. They are nothing more than pieces of brick. I am so engrossed in the case, when I hear 12 feet away from the pavers, then 150 feet away from the pavers, I go... "what's up". As the jury will do I'm sure.

Justice on my mind, that's all.

when this stuff is presented to the jury Im hoping that it will all be neatly and accurately mapped and charts used to show relationships between the house and the recovery site.

[Snoopy50]

And since then GA has said he had them too. This is one messed up family. Yet who's the only one dead?
Chilling.....yet true.:blink:

[WillowInFlight]

I thought George said he was watching his favorite cooking show before he left for work...that is why he knew what time he last saw Casey and Caylee...

I do know of some people that can hold part time jobs and still collect disability.

[happy2bme]

I did too, Happy. She also said she wished Cindy would stay off of the tv shows, she was dismayed at her calling Caylee, "that child" and of her loss of friends at work due to the big fiasco with George and her taking him back.

I think those emails said a lot of things that I was thinking. lol


yes it did.:glare:

[Stella Rose]

I'm sorry for your loss....but I don't think a murder victim that does not have a cause of death should be cremated.....science might come up with a better test in the future that could tell exactly what drugs had been in her system...or some other info that we don't have now....

that's just my opinion...

That is a very good point, and one I had not thought of. I wonder how many cold cases may be solved in the future with new technology. Just look at what DNA has solved...

O/T - can anyone point me on how to find the report this post button. (or a link) it's disappeared and I tried to PM coldwater, but it would not let me. (not for you summer, just tacking this on, sorry)

[Dunlurken]

when this stuff is presented to the jury Im hoping that it will all be neatly and accurately mapped and charts used to show relationships between the house and the recovery site.

Which house? The abandoned house owned by the Gonzalez's.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the azz..... but a lot of questions will need to answered before this goes to trial.

Trial please!

[~layla~]

Forgive me...I'm sure it's been brought up before...what are the chances the A's will be charged with fraud (soliciting under false pretences type thing) once this entire fiasco is over?

This is the million dollar question.

[shelban53]

Exactly!! Like to know how long they are going to keep this scam up?

Been 7 mos no jobs.....Umm maybe following in casey's foot steps.. no job but bills still getting paid..... dont know anyone who could go 7 months no job no income but yet pay 2 mortages, house insurance, car payments, car insurance,cell phones, home phones, Lights , gas, water, cable,buy food,feed the dogs,pay for attorneys, PI's and still have money. When finances were in the toilet and was behind in some payments as to cindy at casey's first bond hearing.....Must have found a MONEY TREE!.. OH well how stupid of me! hitting self in head :hammer: they did there dead granddaughter. :flamemad:

You forgot, a new wardrobe for cindys new slimmed down look

[Tracian]

I do know of some people that can hold part time jobs and still collect disability.


I guess it depends on his disablity. IIRC he worked (s) for a security company, he does not appear to be disabled.

[Dunlurken]

That is a very good point, and one I had not thought of. I wonder how many cold cases may be solved in the future with new technology. Just look at what DNA has solved...

O/T - can anyone point me on how to find the report this post button. (or a link) it's disappeared and I tried to PM coldwater, but it would not let me. (not for you summer, just tacking this on, sorry)

It's the little thing in the right corner which looks like a yield sign, but it's red and has an exclamation point in the center. CW has requested that you also include the posters name in your report. JMO.

[jammies]

That is right, jammies. Caylee paid the ultimate price for the dysfunction of this whole family. I can't help but think that if Casey would have gotten the help that she needed and truly, deserved as a child, then things may have been so different!

This little girl was an innocent victim on the house of Anthony's and it makes me shudder to think of how she may have died. :(


Parents who want divorced but can't afford it. Dad with no job, mom working her rear end off trying to make ends meet. Dad and daughter sucking up her paycheck. The tension in that house must have been unbearable. You can just imagine the knock down drag out fights knowing their "mouths". Then bringing a baby into this scenario. Casey should have stuck with Jesse and made some sort of life for herself and Caylee. Sad that she threw that opportunity away for partying and sleeping around.

Wonder if she ever once has thought "If only I......"?

[happygert]

Yes...Holding!!....The only contact with inmates she would have...

Is she in Protective custody until after the trial???

why exactly is she isolated??

Don't have a clue...She needs to be in with all the rest of inmates... After trial she wll be put in GP

[CelticDawn]

Which house? The abandoned house owned by the Gonzalez's.

I'm not trying to be a pain in the azz..... but a lot of questions will need to answered before this goes to trial.

Trial please!


Im talking about the actual recovery scene and the anthony house and any other evidence related to the case....when the jury gets it HOPEFULLY it will be neatly diagrammed and presented right.

[daHawg]

Thanks, I got it. They are nothing more than pieces of brick. I am so engrossed in the case, when I hear 12 feet away from the pavers, then 150 feet away from the pavers, I go... "what's up". As the jury will do I'm sure.

Justice on my mind, that's all.

LP was the one who said 12ft and last night on NG he corrected himself and said it was not 12ft but 150 ft that he was wrong.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/13/ng.01.html

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Nancy, first of all, let me apologize for something.

GRACE: Oh, Lord.

PADILLA: I made a statement last night that he was 12 feet from the body when he was by the pavers. The pavers that he was at are 150 feet down from the actual site where the body was found

[nothingnew]

I have followed quite a few "missing persons" cases and as I recall, every one set up a website, had a place to print out flyers for free... and that was it. Does anyone remember a case where the family of the "missing" person was actually selling merchandise like it was a booth at the dang state fair or something?

The whole thing stinks. Especially since it was a fraud from the beginning and Caylee was ever missing...

Well, since you asked yes, yes I do recall such a case. That would be Natalee Holloway, still missing. I also think I remember cindy trying to portray herself as a Beth wannabe (don't know her last name)-victim wise and all.

[5boxersmom]

Possibly what Cindy was referring to when she spoke to Greta about 'replacing' some things when they were both in front of the shed.

Yes, I have always wondered about that statement. Cindy made sure to point that out which I found was odd at the time considering.

jmo

[happygert]

You forgot, a new wardrobe for cindys new slimmed down look

Knew I was forgetting something also forgot her bottled water....

[dgfred]

Parents who want divorced but can't afford it. Dad with no job, mom working her rear end off trying to make ends meet. Dad and daughter sucking up her paycheck. The tension in that house must have been unbearable. You can just imagine the knock down drag out fights knowing their "mouths". Then bringing a baby into this scenario. Casey should have stuck with Jesse and made some sort of life for herself and Caylee. Sad that she threw that opportunity away for partying and sleeping around.

Wonder if she ever once has thought "If only I......"?

I bet about every day now.

[happygert]

Possibly what Cindy was referring to when she spoke to Greta about 'replacing' some things when they were both in front of the shed.

yes thats exactly what I was thinking..

[Dunlurken]

Don't have a clue...She needs to be in with all the rest of inmates...

You know better than that. She's charged with Murder 1. She is no longer in "holding". She's a danger to herself and others. JMO.

[desmom]

I am going to guess 50/50....depends on the heat and if the bag was in water any of that time...
Looks from the pictures it was a shaded area...

Maybe this will help you...
If your have a weak stomach, well you got the picture....:unsure:
http://www.deathonline.net/decomposition/body_changes/index.htm


Thanks for the link Pharlap but I think I will pass. I have had 2 experiences with decomp when I was an EMT and it is not something I ever want to do again...even through pictures.

It makes me angry to think of this baby being tossed in the weeds.

[daHawg]

Yes. They did.
I find it sad that they could give a psychic one of Caylee's teddy bears but couldn't give Tim Miller anything of Caylee's when he was there to do that search. Remember that?


ETA: To add link:

One of the K9 handlers said that they would have an easier time during the search if Casey Anthony or her family would provide them with an item that would have Caylee Anthony's scent on it. According to the handler, an item was requested from the family but they have allegedly refused to provide one.
http://blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/2008/09/caylee-anthon-4.html

[dixielover]

Isn't George on disability? That would mean he would get a check every month right?. There you have it, thats their source of income. LOL

I don't think you can continue working and get a dis check- wasn't he working as a security guard recently - for a short period . The money probably started rolling in and he quit jmo

[Tracian]

Yes. They did.


Thanks, so when did our psychic friend get the teddy bear?

(rhetorical question)

[CelticDawn]

You know better than that. She's charged with Murder 1. She is no longer in "holding". She's a danger to herself and others. JMO.

Plenty of people charged with Murder I are in general population in my experience...they generally arent coddled....at least not in My state and my neighboring states.

[Snoopy50]

Don't have a clue...She needs to be in with all the rest of inmates... After trial she wll be put in GP
I am fine with her being in isolation.....Heaven forbid she not spend the rest of her entire life alone and thinking about how she got there. I do not want there to be a quick end to her if other inmates get ahold of her. Just me...:sad:

[read-in]

Why would a well known and credible expert, jeopardize his/her name, until after they see some evidence??? seems to me, that it would be kept quiet until they could read some reports or something.. they are leaving themselves open to the prosecustion (sp) which if fine by me, butttt... what happens if they find out ooohhh, yep it was casey:ohmy:
i really dont think the defense has thought this out real well.. jmho.. just thinking out loud again....

[msgatorslayer]

Why would Leonard refer to pavers as bricks?

Pavers are not bricks at all.

Afternoon, everyone!!

For the same reason a person might call the color mauve, pink. :laugh:

He may not know what to call it and it looks like a brick, to him.

[shelban53]

I guess it depends on his disablity. IIRC he worked (s) for a security company, he does not appear to be disabled.

George recevied around a $40,000 disability settlement which he had to use to pay back credit cards after he ran up the bill due the nigerian email scheme he fell for to the tune of $30,000. He is no longer employed per his video comment {dont have access to all my files}. he also wants to be an advocate for "missing children", the last I heard him say was he was KFN spokesperson.

[Dunlurken]

Why would Leonard refer to pavers as bricks?

Pavers are not bricks at all.

Cuz he's from texas. Different terminology in different parts of the country. JMO. When you are speaking to the nation ..... JMO.

[Lavenia]

Another poster earlier this morning said it sounded like how home would sound if you're nose was stuffed-"hobe" for home. Sorry I can't remember who posted that but it made more sense to me then the word "hope" coming out of caseys mouth regarding Caylee. Just another thing here that i'll never know for sure.

I agree with GumShoeJoe about this. How does saying "Hope" narrow down where Caylee was any more than if she said "home"?

[Stella Rose]

It's the little thing in the right corner which looks like a yield sign, but it's red and has an exclamation point in the center. CW has requested that you also include the posters name in your report. JMO.

Thank you much Dunnie! How could I have missed that.

ETA: it appears the problem is already corrected. May we hope for a nice, peaceful, informative afternoon.

[WillowInFlight]

You know better than that. She's charged with Murder 1. She is no longer in "holding". She's a danger to herself and others. JMO.

She is hardly a danger to herself IMO

[SavannahStar]

I am fine with her being in isolation.....Heaven forbid she not spend the rest of her entire life alone and thinking about how she got there. I do not want there to be a quick end to her if other inmates get ahold of her. Just me...:sad:

I think she will remain in isolation. This is a very, very high profile case about the murder of a beautiful little child. She'd be a target for sure. It's incumbent upon the prison system to protect her (and themselves) from lynch mob actions.

[Lavenia]

Cuz he's from texas. Different terminology in different parts of the country. JMO. When you are speaking to the nation ..... JMO.

He's from California IIRC. I'm in TX and we call pavers pavers and bricks bricks.

[desmom]

I do know of some people that can hold part time jobs and still collect disability.

IIRC, Cindy said in the bond hearing in July George had just started a new job the week Caylee was reported missing. I think the disability issue was something in the past. George talked about it in one of the LE interviews. I remember him saying something about recovering from knee surgery for a year. jmo

[Tracian]

One of the TH's said that part of the reason Casey was in 'protective' was because of the publicity of this case; she could be a target by other inmates.

[bluwaters]

According to the OS article, he helped JB in October regarding the use of cadaver dogs.

Here are some links about Scott Fairgrieve

http://www.wisecareers.ca/fcontent/profile/index.asp?id=57

http://www.forensicscience.laurentian.ca/BiographyScott.htm

http://www.forensicscience.laurentian.ca/PublicationsScott.htm lists several books and articles he has authored. It also includes:

Forensic Expert Witness Testimony/Subpoenas

June 18-19, 2001 Subpoena to testify at the trial of Mr. Richard Armstrong charged with one count of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder of Sean Barrett and Melody Lopez on St. Joseph Island, Ontario.

June 19, 2000 Preliminary hearing subpoena concerning the matter of Richard Armstrong, charged with one count of first degree murder and one count of second degree murder of Sean Barrett and Melody Lopez on St. Joseph Island, Ontario.

January 12, 1993 Evidence given for the prosecution at the Preliminary Hearing of Steven Lynn charged with the second degree murder of James Moffat of Sudbury.

May 27, 1993 Evidence given for the prosecution at the Trial of Steven Lynn, charged with the second degree murder of James Moffat of Sudbury.
TY desmom! :wub:

[dgfred]

He's from California IIRC. I'm in TX and we call pavers pavers and bricks bricks.

I'd never heard the term 'pavers' before this case :blushing: .

I would have said white bricks.

[Stella Rose]

Well, since you asked yes, yes I do recall such a case. That would be Natalee Holloway, still missing. I also think I remember cindy trying to portray herself as a Beth wannabe (don't know her last name)-victim wise and all.

They sold merchandise? Really? Wow, I never knew that. Thank you for answering.