Tuesday January 13/09 - Morning Part 1

[ellegna]

Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[ellegna]

Chilling new video in Caylee Anthony case

http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2009/01/12/Chilling-new-video-in-Caylee/1231786603.html

Casey PI Talking With Psychic In Video
http://www.wesh.com/caseyanthony/18458831/detail.html

Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html#-

[2Hope4]

I agree with the posters in thinking that lots of this case was 'scripted'.

I also believe that when the duct tape was applied to Caylee, that person's hair and fingerprints were captured and will be a major plus for the prosecutors.

Now to lay out some theories....

Casey killed Caylee. GA, and CA felt some guilt that they were responsible for the killing because if only that hadn't done this, or hadn't said that, if only they had done this or that, then Caylee would be alive. I don't believe they actually had any part in Caylee dying though. That atrocious act was committed by Casey and Casey alone.

This family had a full month to plot their script, and rally their troop.

IMO, CA's mother had been asking about Caylee, and was really beginning to question the answers from CA. She was deeply concerned about Caylee, and wanted honest answer and to see Caylee. They had to come up with script, though at that point, they were grieving, and they were blaming each other for Caylee's death. They hadn't planned on calling 911 quite yet, but was being forced.

I don't think Casey left the car at Amscot. I'm not sure who did. I do believe at the time that the car was left there, Caylee was in the trunk. For some reason, I get the feeling that GA was expecting, and 'knew' Caylee was going to be in the trunk when he opened it at the tow yard. Thus the police would have came THERE and started their investigation, instead of at the Anthony home. I'm not sure on who removed the body, and placed it where it was found. For some reason, I believe it was placed there so that it WOULD be found. Whoever moved the body, didn't want it found in the car to implicate Casey. I'm not sure the rest of the family knew it had been removed from the trunk. IF the body had been in the car, I believe the Anthony's were planning on saying SEE, Zanny stole the car, kidnapped Caylee, and killed her. Stuffed her in the trunk, and abandoned the car.

I know there are holes in this theory, and the air tests throws a wrench in my theory...

But, a nagging feeling tells me that body was suppose to be in the trunk when George opened it with a witness there. Otherwise, why open it at all? Why not just drive it home, without mentioning the odor, without telling the towyard guy about Caylee being missing? What was the purpose in telling the towyard man that?

[ellegna]

For those who missed Nancy Grace Monday night

Part 1
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GQ4Z6GJPwh0

Part 2
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3jHBOuKsCsU

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1yTsdWNdHA&feature=channel

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qcCxvssiPfY&feature=channel

Part 5
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SWxBcTjgqu4&feature=channel

Part 6
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y25WuA0NJt4&feature=channel

Transcripts (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ng.01.html)

[ellegna]

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I don't think Casey left the car at Amscot. I'm not sure who did. I do believe at the time that the car was left there, Caylee was in the trunk. For some reason, I get the feeling that GA was expecting, and 'knew' Caylee was going to be in the trunk when he opened it at the tow yard. Thus the police would have came THERE and started their investigation, instead of at the Anthony home. I'm not sure on who removed the body, and placed it where it was found. For some reason, I believe it was placed there so that it WOULD be found. Whoever moved the body, didn't want it found in the car to implicate Casey. I'm not sure the rest of the family knew it had been removed from the trunk. IF the body had been in the car, I believe the Anthony's were planning on saying SEE, Zanny stole the car, kidnapped Caylee, and killed her. Stuffed her in the trunk, and abandoned the car.

I know there are holes in this theory, and the air tests throws a wrench in my theory...

But, a nagging feeling tells me that body was suppose to be in the trunk when George opened it with a witness there. Otherwise, why open it at all? Why not just drive it home, without mentioning the odor, without telling the towyard guy about Caylee being missing? What was the purpose in telling the towyard man that?

Good morning 2Hope4

Very interesting theory. If Casey did have help, at this point and time nothing about this case surprises me anymore. :blink: Confuses the heck out of me though

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I watched JVM last night and was confused about this part. Is Belich saying that whatever was released regarding forensics (plant, insects), etc is not totally accurate? Who leaked that info to begin with? Interesting.



VELEZ-MITCHELL: Yes. I mean, that`s -- Kathi Belich, I want to go to you on this. How are people talking about all of these detailed forensics when we`ve been hearing, from Tim Miller from Equi Search, hey, we couldn`t even get in there to search because it was all covered in water. That`s why we didn`t find the body because the body was underwater.

I mean, now we`re hearing oh, well, all of these insects were able to grow and this grass was able to grow and that`s how they`re determining cause of death.

BELICH: The best that I could tell you about that is I`m not sure that that information that has gotten out is entirely accurate. And that might be why you`re having a hard time trying to reconcile it with reality.

VELEZ-MITCHELL: Ok. In other words, you`re saying that the reports that they have, the authorities have narrowed the time of death and that the botanists and the etymologists have analyzed the terrain and come up with these determinations. That there is controversy about whether or not the police source has actually said that?

BELICH: Correct.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/12/ijvm.01.html

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone! Don't forget Roy Kronk is on GMA in about 12 minutes EST.

[n/t]

This is one of the links I found on the links thread ....

Sources also said investigators have now established a time frame of death that dates back to June, according to reports returned by forensic botanists and entomologists brought in to anaylyze the terrain and insect growth where Caylee's remains were found. Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.

Orange County sheriff's detectives believe Anthony took actions that led to her daughter's death June 16, which corresponds to the June time frame of death, Local 6 News reported.

Investigators believe Anthony dumped Caylee's body around June 18 in the wooded area where the remains were found, sources said.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html


:unsure:

[n/t]

Good morning everyone! Don't forget Roy Kronk is on GMA in about 12 minutes EST.


Is this the exclusive interview? Darn, I can't watch....hopefully they'll air it tonight on one of the talk shows.

[KKKKKKatie]

[color=blue]Good morning everyone! Don't forget Roy Kronk is on GMA in about 12 minutes EST.[/color

Good morning Regina...

Could you please post what he has to say? I am on vacation and don't get that channel here TIA

[callmetree]

Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

morning all! thanks ellegna for the links and new thread.

[Regina.Lampert]

morning all! thanks ellegna for the links and new thread.

You and I have a date in Pittsburgh next weekend....good luck. :thumbsup:

I'll do my best to get what Kronk says, they will replay it tonight on JVM and NG I'm sure.

[desmom]

Turned on.....looks like he is wearing the same shirt from the first PC......must need some money.

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/37420784.html
Evans said -- quote -- "Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year and that battle brought him down to his last dime."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,3843516.story
Kronk works for Orange County as a meter reader and makes just over $10 an hour, Evans said.

[KKKKKKatie]

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/37420784.html
Evans said -- quote -- "Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year and that battle brought him down to his last dime."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,3843516.story
Kronk works for Orange County as a meter reader and makes just over $10 an hour, Evans said.

Poor guy seems to be having a tough time :sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.wtvynews4.com/news/headlines/37420784.html
Evans said -- quote -- "Roy Kronk lost his wife to cancer last year and that battle brought him down to his last dime."

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,3843516.story
Kronk works for Orange County as a meter reader and makes just over $10 an hour, Evans said.


Thanks for that information Des, I deleted my last post as inappropriate under those circumstances.

[KKKKKKatie]

Thanks for that information Des, I deleted my last post as inappropriate under those circumstances.

You are a good soul Regina!

Did you watch Kronk? What did he say?

[Shyone]

Good Morning...Did the Ant's PI know he was being recorded by the other PI at the time, or would this be a "Gotcha" kind of thing.

[desmom]

Good Morning...Did the Ant's PI know he was being recorded by the other PI at the time, or would this be a "Gotcha" kind of thing.

I think he did. Kathi Beliech said in one of her reports you could hear Dominic speaking on his cell phone. IMO, that would mean he had to be fairly close. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

You are a good soul Regina!

Did you watch Kronk? What did he say?

It was only right K, no he hasn't been on yet.

Shy, I think one of DC's first reponses was that Hoover "snuck" up on him, cuz everyone got a kick out of that, him being a detective and all...........lol.

[callmetree]

You and I have a date in Pittsburgh next weekend....good luck. :thumbsup:

I'll do my best to get what Kronk says, they will replay it tonight on JVM and NG I'm sure.

good luck tp your ravens also! guess i'll have to stop reading for a bit cause i get mr. kronk an hour later.:wink:

[bluwaters]

Good morning!
What network is GMA?
NBC?
TIA!

[ZooCrew2009]

Good morning!
What network is GMA?
NBC?
TIA!

ABC here...

[really3997]

Kronk was just on. He was very well spoken I don't think he said anything that the Defense can use against him. I was worried but he made sense JMO

[ellegna]

Good morning!
What network is GMA?
NBC?
TIA!

Hi Blu
It was on ABC but if you have satellite GMA is on again at 10 am PST

[Regina.Lampert]

My impression of Mr. Kronk is a positive one. The picture they showed was of a snake he saw at the swamp. 8/11 was his first day on the "anthony" route. School was not in session.

He stated he had previously been in the Coast Guard and was a Bounty Hunter.

When he took the deputy on 8/13 to show him the suspicious bag, which was in the water in the swamp, the cop was rude to him and did not go into the water to check the bag. The cop subsequently cleared the area and Mr. Kronk gave up at that time.

He states he was not tipped off and has no relationship with any of the anthonys. Is very upset that he has been villified and said "no good deed goes unpunished."

He said he has nothing to hide that is why he was upfront with LE about the dismissed kidnapping claim.

IMO, he really blames the cop he took to the site for not checking it more thoroughly, because it was the same bag he eventually found on December 11.

[ellegna]

Kronk was just on. He was very well spoken I don't think he said anything that the Defense can use against him. I was worried but he made sense JMO

I agree. He appeared genuine and sincere

[Regina.Lampert]

good luck tp your ravens also! guess i'll have to stop reading for a bit cause i get mr. kronk an hour later.:wink:

Hey Tree, after you watch it give us your take, okay?

[KKKKKKatie]

My impression of Mr. Kronk is a positive one. The picture they showed was of a snake he saw at the swamp. 8/11 was his first day on the "anthony" route. School was not in session.

He stated he had previously been in the Coast Guard and was a Bounty Hunter.

When he took the deputy on 8/13 to show him the suspicious bag, which was in the water in the swamp, the cop was rude to him and did not go into the water to check the bag. The cop subsequently cleared the area and Mr. Kronk gave up at that time.

He states he was not tipped off and has no relationship with any of the anthonys. Is very upset that he has been villified and said "no good deed goes unpunished."

He said he has nothing to hide that is why he was upfront with LE about the dismissed kidnapping claim.

IMO, he really blames the cop he took to the site for not checking it more thoroughly, because it was the same bag he eventually found on December 11.

Thanks Regina. I really feel bad for this guy! I hope that LE has a little "chat" with that policeman!

[dixielover]

Good morning 2Hope4

Very interesting theory. If Casey did have help, at this point and time nothing about this case surprises me anymore. :blink: Confuses the heck out of me though


I kind agree with you and I think the MR was suppose to find her in August. LP said a weird thing last time, something to effect -since Kronk didn't get the job done in August. I think the water came and thing changed. I do not think that Kronk just happen upon this, he was definitely tipped off. Who knows what the PI were up to or who was giving them directions, Alot of players in this case but one murderer Casey. jmo

[newsjunkie]

1) He says that he went into the woods to go to the bathroom, and he picked up the bag. He told in the first PC that he kicked the bag. Big difference

2) He said that in August he called and the sherriffs did not want to go in the water, which is why the body was not found there. Problem with that is that the bag he reported on was a WHITE bag, Caylee was found in a BLACK Bag.

3) He said he NEVER me the Anthony's, He did not say that he never met the PI's or Baez, or any of the other defense's minions. He could have easily said that he knows NO ONE involved with the case. He chose not to.

4) The question was asked by GMA, "Did you have anything to do with the disappearence of Caylee", of course he said no. The question should have been, "Did you have anything to do with, or any contact by anyone involved in the case?"

Amazing how his story changed.

My opinion?

He is dirty as heck, the questions where strategically written by his attorney to hide something. Very vague questions, but very telling.


Did his story change or did we for the first time hear from his own mouth what happened which is different from all the rumours?

[really3997]

My impression of Mr. Kronk is a positive one. The picture they showed was of a snake he saw at the swamp. 8/11 was his first day on the "anthony" route. School was not in session.

He stated he had previously been in the Coast Guard and was a Bounty Hunter.

When he took the deputy on 8/13 to show him the suspicious bag, which was in the water in the swamp, the cop was rude to him and did not go into the water to check the bag. The cop subsequently cleared the area and Mr. Kronk gave up at that time.

He states he was not tipped off and has no relationship with any of the anthonys. Is very upset that he has been villified and said "no good deed goes unpunished."

He said he has nothing to hide that is why he was upfront with LE about the dismissed kidnapping claim.

IMO, he really blames the cop he took to the site for not checking it more thoroughly, because it was the same bag he eventually found on December 11.

So hopefully people will cut him a break. I believe him, I was worried he would ruin his credibility I hope this is exactly what it appears. He was curious about the case and wanted to help. And and the bag was in the water did anyone catch that

[CANDYKISSES]

Kronk was just on. He was very well spoken I don't think he said anything that the Defense can use against him. I was worried but he made sense JMO


You have to give him this...he was VERY SMOOTH in his delivery and comes across as genuine. While I want to believe he is just a good citizen, I can't help but think he was prompted after all that time. I can't let go of that myself. JMO and not a favorable opinion at that.

I see he is getting a little more critical of OCLE as well. :unsure:

I don't know if I would dare to go down that road right now in his shoes, but whatever. IF the deputy simply was too lazy,then he should be dismissed IMO or at least formally reprimanded. I've seen some lazy deputies in my time who are only to happy to dismiss something to avoid some work. JMO.

Thus far LE is scoring a favorable rating with this poster, but I would certainly critique some of the handling of witnesses given what we know at this time. AGAIN JMO.

[KKKKKKatie]

He said he kicked the bag and the skull rolled out IIRC

Big difference from picking up bag.

Morning Mac

Did he really say that or was that something that was just "reported" I have been gone for a bit and don't remember

[CANDYKISSES]

He said he kicked the bag and the skull rolled out IIRC

Big difference from picking up bag.

Well, DC might have done some of the early work for him....YKWIM???:ohmy:

[bluwaters]

First time I ever disagreed with 'ya!:w00t:

Yikes! :chicken:

Despite the help from our good posters - ABC! - I missed it.
Very interesting, the differences of opinion in the first two reports posted of the interview!
Kronk was a bounty hunter at one time.
Good heavens, they seem to be everywhere!
I never met one in my life...

[KKKKKKatie]

Mornin....working on finding the links now

No worries...I am just curious

[newsjunkie]

I felt he was sincere and I worry about all the folks that are doubting him.
That is exactly what the defense is out to do, start rumours plant doubt and cause people to talk and debate .......reasonable doubt.
It's working as I see it.
I could care less all the speculation about where and how little Caylee got there, they had a case before her body was found and those facts haven't changed.
If there is any question of when and how the body was placed I truly think it was orchastrated to look that way by hmmmm lets say Lee?
Whether she was in jail or not means nothing with people on the outside all trying to cover for her.

Off to work........hagd and that is all JMO

[AJandTam]

Mornin....working on finding the links now

Good Morning Mac, Thanks for your take on Kronk. I have early morning duties and didn't get to see this interview. Question if I may. I think it was yesterday, I read that the LE was asking him more questions in the last two weeks. Did he allude to what those questions were???

[dixielover]

Well, DC might have done some of the early work for him....YKWIM???:ohmy:

What was the reason the MR he gave for being in the woods in the first place- a gut feeling because there were no houses in that swams to meter read. The MR has bothered me more than the dumb PIs. I watched Greta last night and glad to hear she felt the same way. Well, not he is cashing in on the baby girl. - sad jmo

[really3997]

You have to give him this...he was VERY SMOOTH in his delivery and comes across as genuine. While I want to believe he is just a good citizen, I can't help but think he was prompted after all that time. I can't let go of that myself. JMO and not a favorable opinion at that.

I see he is getting a little more critical of OCLE as well. :unsure:

I don't know if I would dare to go down that road right now in his shoes, but whatever. IF the deputy simply was too lazy,then he should be dismissed IMO or at least formally reprimanded. I've seen some lazy deputies in my time who are only to happy to dismiss something to avoid some work. JMO.

Thus far LE is scoring a favorable rating with this poster, but I would certainly critique some of the handling of witnesses given what we know at this time. AGAIN JMO.


No I agree, I have watched this case long enough nothing is as it seems but I was worried it would set this case in yet another spin and I don't believe that happened. As far as LE I just remember them being fed so many stories, so many freak calls they had to got through They are human and I don't judge off of one person. I think LE has done an exceptional job with the all the twist they have had to endure. JMO

[newsjunkie]

I felt he was sincere and I worry about all the folks that are doubting him.
That is exactly what the defense is out to do, start rumours plant doubt and cause people to talk and debate .......reasonable doubt.
It's working as I see it.
I could care less all the speculation about where and how little Caylee got there, they had a case before her body was found and those facts haven't changed.
If there is any question of when and how the body was placed I truly think it was orchastrated to look that way by hmmmm lets say Lee?
Whether she was in jail or not means nothing with people on the outside all trying to cover for her.

Off to work........hagd and that is all JMO


Quoting myself to say one more thing.................I hope I never come across evidence or a crime and have to step forward.
Its soooooo obviously NOT WORTH IT to do my civic duty.....nope not doin it and I bet this will make others stop and think before they do their civic duty also.

:seeya:

[dixielover]

I felt he was sincere and I worry about all the folks that are doubting him.
That is exactly what the defense is out to do, start rumours plant doubt and cause people to talk and debate .......reasonable doubt.
It's working as I see it.
I could care less all the speculation about where and how little Caylee got there, they had a case before her body was found and those facts haven't changed.
If there is any question of when and how the body was placed I truly think it was orchastrated to look that way by hmmmm lets say Lee?
Whether she was in jail or not means nothing with people on the outside all trying to cover for her.

Off to work........hagd and that is all JMO

I felt a little better last night when the judge stated that it doesn't matter who, how or why Caylee was found- the facts remain that KC killed her and all the evidences point to that. It was also said that the LE probably has alot more on these players that will come out in the trial. Made me feel a little better jom

[bluwaters]

No worries...I am just curious
I know what you mean KKKKKKatie. I am so confused about things 'reported' vs. actual statements. In my case, it's CRS...:tongue:

I don't like the criticism of LE, as I feel that they did an incredibly good job, after receiving a cold case. What I don't understand about the cops that responded to Kronk's calls in August is why they did pay closer attention to those tips. We know that mothers who kill tend to place the bodies very close to home. It seems that where Caylee's remains were found was a very logical place for Casey to have put her.
But, in their defense, they were receiving so many calls to check out, while the A's were proclaiming loudly that LE were not doing their job.
I don't know what to think of Kronk and the August calls.
Until further notice, I think that I will give him the benefit of the doubt. :huh:

[CANDYKISSES]

What was the reason the MR he gave for being in the woods in the first place- a gut feeling because there were no houses in that swams to meter read. The MR has bothered me more than the dumb PIs. I watched Greta last night and glad to hear she felt the same way. Well, not he is cashing in on the baby girl. - sad jmo

At one point he spoke about thinking that is where someone would put a body due to the MASKING OF ODORS created by the water there...my words, not his. But that was what he was trying to convey IMO.

Then he spoke about the having to urinate and pulling over between two and three P.M. before he reported in for something else.

Then about calling later.....:closedeyes: I can't get him off my list of helpers, but I'm sure it's me...and you and a few others too. :thumbup:

[bluwaters]

Off to work! :seeya:
I can't wait to see all the fall out from Kronk's appearance later today.
TTYL!

[KKKKKKatie]

I know what you mean KKKKKKatie. I am so confused about things 'reported' vs. actual statements. In my case, it's CRS...:tongue:

I don't like the criticism of LE, as I feel that they did an incredibly good job, after receiving a cold case. What I don't understand about the cops that responded to Kronk's calls in August is why they did pay closer attention to those tips. We know that mothers who kill tend to place the bodies very close to home. It seems that where Caylee's remains were found was a very logical place for Casey to have put her.
But, in their defense, they were receiving so many calls to check out, while the A's were proclaiming loudly that LE were not doing their job.
I don't know what to think of Kronk and the August calls.
Until further notice, I think that I will give him the benefit of the doubt. :huh:

I am right there with you blu....I am in wait and see mode

[CANDYKISSES]

No I agree, I have watched this case long enough nothing is as it seems but I was worried it would set this case in yet another spin and I don't believe that happened. As far as LE I just remember them being fed so many stories, so many freak calls they had to got through They are human and I don't judge off of one person. I think LE has done an exceptional job with the all the twist they have had to endure. JMO

GIVEN what they have been exposed to courtesy of one lying and scheming young woman and her enabling family, YOU BET THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB so far. My goodness, can you imagine how many times they have wanted to bash their heads against the wall, or better yet someone else's head, but continue to hold out for justice for Caylee???

Lord, THEY DESERVE PAID FOR VACATIONS after this is finished as far as I am concerned and I think the people collecting on this tragedy ought to be paying out. :sneaky:

ALL JMO and nothing more.

[Regina.Lampert]

1) He says that he went into the woods to go to the bathroom, and he picked up the bag. He told in the first PC that he kicked the bag. Big difference

2) He said that in August he called and the sherriffs did not want to go in the water, which is why the body was not found there. Problem with that is that the bag he reported on was a WHITE bag, Caylee was found in a BLACK Bag.

3) He said he NEVER me the Anthony's, He did not say that he never met the PI's or Baez, or any of the other defense's minions. He could have easily said that he knows NO ONE involved with the case. He chose not to.

4) The question was asked by GMA, "Did you have anything to do with the disappearence of Caylee", of course he said no. The question should have been, "Did you have anything to do with, or any contact by anyone involved in the case?"

Amazing how his story changed.

My opinion?

He is dirty as heck, the questions where strategically written by his attorney to hide something. Very vague questions, but very telling.


LOL, looks like you and I have our first little spat! :tongue:

Unless, I am being naive, I really thought he was genuine and sincere. If you recall, we have only heard edited tapes, so I'm not so sure he didn't mention a black bag.

I hope everyone who saw the interview weighs in on this. Is Kronk trustworthy or is he "dirty" that is the question?

[dixielover]

Oh for God's sake!! This is what the defense is going to say? It will never fly! IMO

I still don't think it will matter because if Kronk is connected somehow it would probably be too the Anthony's. The reason why I say this is the timing of the find- they were off in CA following up on (the only ) lead and doing LK- getting new lawyer before they touched down. jmo

[playnice]

For those of you that saw the interview, does he come across as intelligent or simple minded person that would easily fall into a setup and be used as the fall guy?

[AJandTam]

At one point he spoke about thinking that is where someone would put a body due to the MASKING OF ODORS created by the water there...my words, not his. But that was what he was trying to convey IMO.

Then he spoke about the having to urinate and pulling over between two and three P.M. before he reported in for something else.

Then about calling later.....:closedeyes: I can't get him off my list of helpers, but I'm sure it's me...and you and a few others too. :thumbup:

I really don't know what to think of Kronk. Don't understand why he felt it necessary to go on GMA and do an interview. His story is bizzare, no doubt about it but it looks like LE is backing him up. So that must mean he is clean. I did wonder about his boss and whether or not his boss had ties to the A family. Then there was that bounty hunter thing. His needing money w/his wife dying on cancer and leaving him financially strapped. I don't know, a guy w/problems can be bought if he is desperate enough. I just don't see the FBI as not catching on though if he is dirty.

[barskin&co.]

Oh for God's sake!! This is what the defense is going to say? It will never fly! IMO

Ah yes, we're getting a preview into the defense: dirty, dirty, dirty. :thumbdown:

[Daffodil]

I agree with the posters in thinking that lots of this case was 'scripted'.

I also believe that when the duct tape was applied to Caylee, that person's hair and fingerprints were captured and will be a major plus for the prosecutors.

Now to lay out some theories....

Casey killed Caylee. GA, and CA felt some guilt that they were responsible for the killing because if only that hadn't done this, or hadn't said that, if only they had done this or that, then Caylee would be alive. I don't believe they actually had any part in Caylee dying though. That atrocious act was committed by Casey and Casey alone.

This family had a full month to plot their script, and rally their troop.

IMO, CA's mother had been asking about Caylee, and was really beginning to question the answers from CA. She was deeply concerned about Caylee, and wanted honest answer and to see Caylee. They had to come up with script, though at that point, they were grieving, and they were blaming each other for Caylee's death. They hadn't planned on calling 911 quite yet, but was being forced.

I don't think Casey left the car at Amscot. I'm not sure who did. I do believe at the time that the car was left there, Caylee was in the trunk. For some reason, I get the feeling that GA was expecting, and 'knew' Caylee was going to be in the trunk when he opened it at the tow yard. Thus the police would have came THERE and started their investigation, instead of at the Anthony home. I'm not sure on who removed the body, and placed it where it was found. For some reason, I believe it was placed there so that it WOULD be found. Whoever moved the body, didn't want it found in the car to implicate Casey. I'm not sure the rest of the family knew it had been removed from the trunk. IF the body had been in the car, I believe the Anthony's were planning on saying SEE, Zanny stole the car, kidnapped Caylee, and killed her. Stuffed her in the trunk, and abandoned the car.

I know there are holes in this theory, and the air tests throws a wrench in my theory...

But, a nagging feeling tells me that body was suppose to be in the trunk when George opened it with a witness there. Otherwise, why open it at all? Why not just drive it home, without mentioning the odor, without telling the towyard guy about Caylee being missing? What was the purpose in telling the towyard man that?

I agree with the part that they started their story earlier than the 15th. I think they gave the false date to throw everyone off and for LE to get video survelience(sp._) from stores, etc.

I agree that George thought Caylee would be in the trunk. Why would he tell the tow yard guy that his grand daughter was missing? Why wouldn't he have told the police instead?????? I think this is why Cindy was soooooo mad because she had the perfect story and Casey screwed it up. She wants to know where Caylee is but doesn't look for her in Tony's apartment.

[dixielover]

Oh no, I feel a cookie tossing coming Shel. barf

I am not that far gone yet....:w00t:

I just think perhaps Mr. Kronk was being targeted and reminded in some way. JMO again.

I also thought it was odd that in the interviews I have heard from his attorney, he mentioned that Kronk does not have any money because of his wife having cancer- (or something like that). I just thought that was odd to say. He then said something about paid interviews. Maybe he agreed to this because of the reward-of course the reward I think was changed to an alive Caylee- I don't know but something is not right. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

What was the reason the MR he gave for being in the woods in the first place- a gut feeling because there were no houses in that swams to meter read. The MR has bothered me more than the dumb PIs. I watched Greta last night and glad to hear she felt the same way. Well, not he is cashing in on the baby girl. - sad jmo

Hi Dix, I think he did mention that, something about it being a shady area and lunchtime approaching or getting off duty in an hour or so. I didn't copy everything word for word, so the more posters that give us their view on this the better.

[KKKKKKatie]

Ah yes, we're getting a preview into the defense: dirty, dirty, dirty. :thumbdown:

they will be throwing him under the bus as much as they can :rolleyes:

[shelbar53]

Oh for God's sake!! This is what the defense is going to say? It will never fly! IMO

lets see if I have this straight.

1. casey was knocked down in a public park
2. a van with other kids and a car seat for caylee was waiting to whisk her off.
3. oh and before or after caseys friend zenida knocked casey down she gave her a script that told her to party for 31 days
4. kronk found the bag months ago, took the contents out of the bag and ruined the remains somehow

By jove...I think the mystery is sovled...casey is innocent..just look at the facts stated above.

[really3997]

I agree with the part that they started their story earlier than the 15th. I think they gave the false date to throw everyone off and for LE to get video survelience(sp._) from stores, etc.

I agree that George thought Caylee would be in the trunk. Why would he tell the tow yard guy that his grand daughter was missing? Why wouldn't he have told the police instead?????? I think this is why Cindy was soooooo mad because she had the perfect story and Casey screwed it up. She wants to know where Caylee is but doesn't look for her in Tony's apartment.

And WHY would you drive this car home instead of calling 911 right there without touching anything...

[AJandTam]

GIVEN what they have been exposed to courtesy of one lying and scheming young woman and her enabling family, YOU BET THEY HAVE DONE A GOOD JOB so far. My goodness, can you imagine how many times they have wanted to bash their heads against the wall, or better yet someone else's head, but continue to hold out for justice for Caylee???

Lord, THEY DESERVE PAID FOR VACATIONS after this is finished as far as I am concerned and I think the people collecting on this tragedy ought to be paying out. :sneaky:

ALL JMO and nothing more.

ITA....When Kronks extra calls were reported. They said that the officers that first responded to his calls were put on leave pending an investigation. I never heard what became of that?

[KKKKKKatie]

lets see if I have this straight.

1. casey was knocked down in a public park
2. a van with other kids and a car seat for caylee was waiting to whisk her off.
3. oh and before or after caseys friend zenida knocked casey down she gave her a script that told her to party for 31 days
4. kronk found the bag months ago, took the contents out of the bag and ruined the remains somehow

By jove...I think the mystery is sovled...casey is innocent..just look at the facts stated above.
You are goooood Shell

:laugh::laugh:

[Daffodil]

Kronk was just on. He was very well spoken I don't think he said anything that the Defense can use against him. I was worried but he made sense JMO

I have on GMA and he wasn't on here. Do they show different segments to different time zones?

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree with the part that they started their story earlier than the 15th. I think they gave the false date to throw everyone off and for LE to get video survelience(sp._) from stores, etc.

I agree that George thought Caylee would be in the trunk. Why would he tell the tow yard guy that his grand daughter was missing? Why wouldn't he have told the police instead?????? I think this is why Cindy was soooooo mad because she had the perfect story and Casey screwed it up. She wants to know where Caylee is but doesn't look for her in Tony's apartment.

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Caylee" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

[Lavenia]

Ah yes, we're getting a preview into the defense: dirty, dirty, dirty. :thumbdown:

I see a scorched earth policy in the works.

[CANDYKISSES]

For those of you that saw the interview, does he come across as intelligent or simple minded person that would easily fall into a setup and be used as the fall guy?

I don't know any bounty hunters that are simple minded and I'll opt out on rating the intelligence factor for that occupation. But one thing I see is that they are usually good with the BS meter, both recognizing it and putting it on high themselves.

So, I would say Kronk wouldn't allow himself to be used for no good reason period IMO. He does mention something about wanting to see the case solved in the interview.

JMO

[dixielover]

ITA....When Kronks extra calls were reported. They said that the officers that first responded to his calls were put on leave pending an investigation. I never heard what became of that?

I will probably fall on the side of LE on this- didn't Kronk show LE the bag he was referring too. I also can't imagine a PI or bounty hunter not using a stick and looking inside. Why would an officer come out to and do nothing. I am taking his statements with a grain of salt since they have changed a few times. Didn't one time Kronk didn't show up or hang around to show LE- I think he got nervous. I really need to let this go because I don't think it will matter in the long run- jmo

[Lavenia]

I have on GMA and he wasn't on here. Do they show different segments to different time zones?

Same here. They seem to have gotten the interview in the beginning of their first hour but not so for us poor Central timers.

[shelbar53]

I really don't know what to think of Kronk. Don't understand why he felt it necessary to go on GMA and do an interview. His story is bizzare, no doubt about it but it looks like LE is backing him up. So that must mean he is clean. I did wonder about his boss and whether or not his boss had ties to the A family. Then there was that bounty hunter thing. His needing money w/his wife dying on cancer and leaving him financially strapped. I don't know, a guy w/problems can be bought if he is desperate enough. I just don't see the FBI as not catching on though if he is dirty.

Awww, im gonna cut him some slack. he is just a regualr joe, found the bones, reported and now his life is turned upside down. he is being offered money by BIG TV STATIONS. He doesnt make alot of money and no one {or at least me} would turn down money to tell their story. Why should he be that altrustric? I think he was in the begining until he was "vilified".

I said this before and I will say it again, dont commit a crime in front of me, I will sell you out in a heartbeat to the highest bidder. Then I will be on a beach counting my money while everyone is at WORK talking about me and how much money I made.

[Regina.Lampert]

lets see if I have this straight.

1. casey was knocked down in a public park
2. a van with other kids and a car seat for caylee was waiting to whisk her off.
3. oh and before or after caseys friend zenida knocked casey down she gave her a script that told her to party for 31 days
4. kronk found the bag months ago, took the contents out of the bag and ruined the remains somehow

By jove...I think the mystery is sovled...casey is innocent..just look at the facts stated above.

......I think you've got it Eliza, release casey immediately.............. :tongue:

[KKKKKKatie]

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Cayle" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

Hadn't Casey told Cindy that she was on vacation with Zanny....at the beach IIRC?

Maybe that is why? :shrug:

[CANDYKISSES]

I really don't know what to think of Kronk. Don't understand why he felt it necessary to go on GMA and do an interview. His story is bizzare, no doubt about it but it looks like LE is backing him up. So that must mean he is clean. I did wonder about his boss and whether or not his boss had ties to the A family. Then there was that bounty hunter thing. His needing money w/his wife dying on cancer and leaving him financially strapped. I don't know, a guy w/problems can be bought if he is desperate enough. I just don't see the FBI as not catching on though if he is dirty.


I pretty much agree Tam, and Lord knows we have dirty all the way to FILTHY ROTTEN here in this case from my POV.

I don't see him as dirty, but he might have some mud on his pants that has yet to be discovered. Sorry, to believe the destruction of evidence, I will require a point by point video filmed by DC and Hoover. J/K. :bored:JMO:blink:

:wub:

[lax3]

And WHY would you drive this car home instead of calling 911 right there without touching anything... quote....

Because they wanted to go to a 'neutral place'.

[KKKKKKatie]

Sorry to quote myself

Number 1....have 7 links to blogs where everyone says "he kicked the bag slightly , and a skull rolled out"

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12648614&postcount=1122

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12596837&postcount=894

just to name a few

Number 2....white bag link

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-meter-reader-caylee-remains-call-1-mp3,0,5028084.mp3file


Knew I was not crazy!!!

Thanks Mac

I can't open #2. (not your link...my puter) Is is Kronk that says white bag?

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA....When Kronks extra calls were reported. They said that the officers that first responded to his calls were put on leave pending an investigation. I never heard what became of that?


Neither did I Tam, and I would like to know what the internal investigation turned up myself. :angry: I can't find any good reason for that child to have stayed in that location for months on end.

[Regina.Lampert]

Just posted the links for 'ya

Thanks Mac. Going from memory tho, on the day this all broke 12/11, I heard he poked the bag with a stick and the skull rolled out. Don't worry, I'm sure LE has his full report in his own writing and the reports of the interviewing Detectives upon which to rely come trial.

[AJandTam]

I agree with the part that they started their story earlier than the 15th. I think they gave the false date to throw everyone off and for LE to get video survelience(sp._) from stores, etc.

I agree that George thought Caylee would be in the trunk. Why would he tell the tow yard guy that his grand daughter was missing? Why wouldn't he have told the police instead?????? I think this is why Cindy was soooooo mad because she had the perfect story and Casey screwed it up. She wants to know where Caylee is but doesn't look for her in Tony's apartment.

Morning Daff, I have a bit of a different view on Geo going into the trunk w/a witness. I always felt he knew she was NOT in the trunk but wanted a witness to that fact as he knew it would be important later. Also proof of how forensic's tied to him, might have gotten into the trunk if anything showed up later. I think his going into the trunk w/a witness is significant. JMO.... That particular part of the story is why I started not trusting Geo. way back when.

The most important piece of evidence that I would like to know about would be where LE thinks that Caylee was killed and what day.

[shelbar53]

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Cayle" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

I dont think cindy asked one questions about caylee when she went to tonys apartment per tonys interview. she didnt ask where caylee was at all. If you remember differently let me know and I will go back and read his interview again.

[breezie]

Even though last week Eyewitness News heard that only Dominic Casey's colleague, private eye Jim Hoover who shot it, had a copy of the videotape at the scene where Caylee's remains were found almost a month later, Luka said he saw it last week and talked to Dominic Casey about it. Then he backtracked.

"How did you see it last week? Who showed it to you last week?" Belich asked Luka.

"Well, I take that back," Luka said. "I was not shown it. When it was on TV I saw it."

"Well, it wasn't on TV until last night," Belich told Luka.

"Well, I take that back. I did not see it. Did I see it? No, I did not see that video. I take that back. That was not the video I saw," he said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html#-

JEEZ.... can't anyone on the Anthonys side just get a straight story out there? Now Luka sounds extremely suspect to me. What a group of baffoons.

[starbright]

GMA now on (Central Time).

[CANDYKISSES]

Ah yes, we're getting a preview into the defense: dirty, dirty, dirty. :thumbdown:

Right now, for this time, I am going to HEAVILY RELY on the fact LE confiscated multiple sources for repellents from the Anthony garage for a reason. If anyone has interfered with Caylee's remains, my money is on people backing or hired by the defense such as DC or family possibly.

JMO :cursing:

[AJandTam]

Just posted the links for 'ya

If your theory is correct, you can bet that either LE or the FBI picked up on it. I have no doubt that IF they are in anyway suspicious of him. They watched his interview this morning.

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina

Also I noticed, the fact that his supervisor is the Anthony's neighbor never came up as well. These where designed questions, to show him in a good light. If not.....why where the facts changed by Kronk?

When they asked him, "do you know the Anthony's". I almost broke my TV. A real question should have been, do you know ANYONE associated with the case

I can see why Kronk wouldn't go into any of that on TV. If there is a connection tho, it would behoove LE and the Prosecution to get it out of the way long before this gets into a courtroom. imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

Even though last week Eyewitness News heard that only Dominic Casey's colleague, private eye Jim Hoover who shot it, had a copy of the videotape at the scene where Caylee's remains were found almost a month later, Luka said he saw it last week and talked to Dominic Casey about it. Then he backtracked.

"How did you see it last week? Who showed it to you last week?" Belich asked Luka.

"Well, I take that back," Luka said. "I was not shown it. When it was on TV I saw it."

"Well, it wasn't on TV until last night," Belich told Luka.

"Well, I take that back. I did not see it. Did I see it? No, I did not see that video. I take that back. That was not the video I saw," he said.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html#-

JEEZ.... can't anyone on the Anthonys side just get a straight story out there? Now Luka sounds extremely suspect to me. What a group of baffoons.

Please consider what it's like working with this group and the only survivors that we currently know are still united with them.....

I think it could be contagious.....:w00t: I think I'll call my psychic and see what she says. :blushing:

JMO

[AJandTam]

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Caylee" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

Very good questions. Especially since the car smelled so bad.

[destiny1]

FGS! So he took the bag of bones and all the bones that were scattered all over the woods with him and then brought them back to the scene?

:rolleyes:

Ummm Yeah1 Like I said whoever came up with that one definitely has a wee bit of a mental challenge. The only vague possibility I can see connecting him to any of this other than finding the bag (which by the way based on reports of remains scattered over one acre) containing the skull and some other remains is the Bail Bondsman -PI - Bounty Hunter connection, which may or may not exist.

[desmom]

Watching Kronk now.

He said he went into the brush to go to the bathroom. He saw something that did not look right and when he pulled the bag up there it was.

Hmmm, I wonder if the A's use biodegradable trash bags.

jmo

[shelbar53]

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Caylee" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

Im sorry, I read your post wrong. ignore my other post about it. I agree with you. cindy smelled the car, why didnt she look for caylee at tonys apartment. caylee didnt seem to be cindys concern at that time.

[Regina.Lampert]

More links on kicking the bag, not picking it up

http://answers.yahoo.com/question/index?qid=20081219112717AAn3WD7

FOUND IT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Cnn............

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

Thanks for posting that Mac!

[Daffodil]

I still don't think it will matter because if Kronk is connected somehow it would probably be too the Anthony's. The reason why I say this is the timing of the find- they were off in CA following up on (the only ) lead and doing LK- getting new lawyer before they touched down. jmo

I just saw that segment right now. I thought he seemed on the up and up. But then, as always in this case, another way of looking at is questionable as far as the Anthony's being on a plane when body was found. I do question that!!!! I think someone made a deal and either George and/or Cindy and/or Lee made the deal and do not want their reactions made public because they do not want Casey to know they made a deal. OR Casey made a deal and the police somehow arranged for the A's to be unavalable when the body was discovered. In either event, then someone had to be tipped off to make the discovery. Maybe Kronk is undercover?

[destiny1]

Regina

Also I noticed, the fact that his supervisor is the Anthony's neighbor never came up as well. These where designed questions, to show him in a good light. If not.....why where the facts changed by Kronk?

When they asked him, "do you know the Anthony's". I almost broke my TV. A real question should have been, do you know ANYONE associated with the case

Did you notice that he only said that he did not know the Anthonys? He never stated that he knew none of this motley crew.

Lie by omission?

I am still on the fence with Kronk. If he is involved, I think it is superficial, and whether he benefits or not, he was and is being used.

[AJandTam]

Mornin

Not at all

It was obvious that the questions were scripted.

This guy is dirty....and I think I found the links that support it....working on more

I don't know Mac. His story is bizzare and he does have some weird things connected to him. His past bounty hunter experience and his boss living on the A street... coincidence?? I wonder, but i'm still back to the FBI clearing him. I have such faith and belief in the FBI, that I completely trust that if there was anything to find. They would have found it... (And ofcourse, the A's being out of town at the time of the discovery?) 3 weeks after the PI's were out by the remains site.

[funkyflower]

Here's my opinion on Krunk and it hasn't changed. He had good intentions, didn't want to be involved and is now. He's been more OPEN and TRUTHFUL than Casey and the whole entire family. Period.

It seems to me that no one can get anything honest or open from anyone in this case, so when they finally get it, its :drool: and a media frenzy.

[AJandTam]

I don't know any bounty hunters that are simple minded and I'll opt out on rating the intelligence factor for that occupation. But one thing I see is that they are usually good with the BS meter, both recognizing it and putting it on high themselves.

So, I would say Kronk wouldn't allow himself to be used for no good reason period IMO. He does mention something about wanting to see the case solved in the interview.

JMO

Wanting to see the case solved?? isn't it already solved? Casey dun it, threw the baby in the woods. What was he referring too??

[destiny1]

Regina

Also I noticed, the fact that his supervisor is the Anthony's neighbor never came up as well. These where designed questions, to show him in a good light. If not.....why where the facts changed by Kronk?

When they asked him, "do you know the Anthony's". I almost broke my TV. A real question should have been, do you know ANYONE associated with the case

Did you notice that he only said that he did not know the Anthonys? He never stated that he knew none of this motley crew.

Lie by omission?

I am still on the fence with Kronk. If he is involved, I think it is superficial, that if he was he was an afterthought, and whether he benefits or not, he was and is being used.

[KKKKKKatie]

Just found the link from CNN on the "kicking bag" statement

Damn, Wait till my wife finds out I remembered something!!!

Follow this link, ctrl F, type in "kick"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

LOL

I know that is what was being reported on that day....but has Kronk said that? As in....changed his story from kicked to picked up?

I am sorry to be such a pain....but like I said I have missed 2 weeks :blink:

[dixielover]

Same here. They seem to have gotten the interview in the beginning of their first hour but not so for us poor Central timers.

I am Central time and it was just on

[CANDYKISSES]

Wanting to see the case solved?? isn't it already solved? Casey dun it, threw the baby in the woods. What was he referring too??


I think at that point he was talking about finding her body. JMO.

[Daffodil]

That is a great point Daff, why wasn't the very first thing cynthia said when she entered that apartment "where is Caylee" as she ran thru the apartment looking for her. She managed to throw some insults about casey anthony in Lazarro's direction regarding casey taking all his money, but no questions about Caylee? Why the heck not?

Exactly!!! Her concern was not Caylee. Her concern was where did Casey put her body.

To correct my earlier post: they changed the date so that when LE looked for any video survelience (sp - I'll look that up sooner or later) they would be looking at the wrong date.

[AJandTam]

I will probably fall on the side of LE on this- didn't Kronk show LE the bag he was referring too. I also can't imagine a PI or bounty hunter not using a stick and looking inside. Why would an officer come out to and do nothing. I am taking his statements with a grain of salt since they have changed a few times. Didn't one time Kronk didn't show up or hang around to show LE- I think he got nervous. I really need to let this go because I don't think it will matter in the long run- jmo

Weird story no doubt. I guess we just have to trust the FBI that he is clean.. I don't get him though.. If he thought he'd found Caylee. There was always options, the media, Tim Miller... ect... seems all of his activites involved him going out there alone. IF he thought it was really Caylee. Why didn't he go out there w/a friend or something. I don't get it... but still the FBI appears to hace cleared him.

In watching that PI tape. I was dumbfounded that guy was digging around in trash, looking for evidence but didn't have on gloves.. Aghhhhhhhhh that is nasty.. whether you find only other peoples nasty garbage or human bones... Ewwwwww

[Daffodil]

Awww, im gonna cut him some slack. he is just a regualr joe, found the bones, reported and now his life is turned upside down. he is being offered money by BIG TV STATIONS. He doesnt make alot of money and no one {or at least me} would turn down money to tell their story. Why should he be that altrustric? I think he was in the begining until he was "vilified".

I said this before and I will say it again, dont commit a crime in front of me, I will sell you out in a heartbeat to the highest bidder. Then I will be on a beach counting my money while everyone is at WORK talking about me and how much money I made.

Shelbar, that is true raw honesty!!!!!

[CuriousJo]

Mr. Krock- the Meter Reader who used to be a PI- was just on the ABC morning talk show. He explained his story about how he found Caylee and reported it. He reports that he found the body all by himself, and denied any tip or connection with anyone associated with the Anthonys. His story sounded true, reasonable..... too bad you get put through the spotlight and some think you are sinister, for simply being a good citizen.

[KKKKKKatie]

Kronk changed his story, because the info from this report came from the OCSO Press conference at the scene.

Thanks Mac...that helps me!

[destiny1]

LOL

I know that is what was being reported on that day....but has Kronk said that? As in....changed his story from kicked to picked up?

I am sorry to be such a pain....but like I said I have missed 2 weeks :blink:
when it comes to remains, especially in the condition of those, there is a big difference between kicked and picked up. How did he pick up a bag of remains that had vegetation growing through them? and remember, these remains were scattered over an acre.

[funkyflower]

Did you notice that he only said that he did not know the Anthonys? He never stated that he knew none of this motley crew.

Lie by omission?

I am still on the fence with Kronk. If he is involved, I think it is superficial, that if he was he was an afterthought, and whether he benefits or not, he was and is being used.

He was asked, "Let's set the record straight today, did you have any contact with anyone in the Anthony family before finding the ..."
His answer, "I've never even met those people, no."

[Daffodil]

Morning Daff, I have a bit of a different view on Geo going into the trunk w/a witness. I always felt he knew she was NOT in the trunk but wanted a witness to that fact as he knew it would be important later. Also proof of how forensic's tied to him, might have gotten into the trunk if anything showed up later. I think his going into the trunk w/a witness is significant. JMO.... That particular part of the story is why I started not trusting Geo. way back when.

The most important piece of evidence that I would like to know about would be where LE thinks that Caylee was killed and what day.

Wow, you gave me an AHA MOMENT. I never thought of that but that makes sense.

[AJandTam]

Awww, im gonna cut him some slack. he is just a regualr joe, found the bones, reported and now his life is turned upside down. he is being offered money by BIG TV STATIONS. He doesnt make alot of money and no one {or at least me} would turn down money to tell their story. Why should he be that altrustric? I think he was in the begining until he was "vilified".

I said this before and I will say it again, dont commit a crime in front of me, I will sell you out in a heartbeat to the highest bidder. Then I will be on a beach counting my money while everyone is at WORK talking about me and how much money I made.

:biggrin: Shelbar... If you do get that big money. Will you take me w/you...

If he is anything but a good ol' boy. I think it's because he was paid to help discover the body, but then I never thought C and G wanted that.. .Maybe Casey... I don't think that either as evidence w/the body lead back to the A home. So why would they want that?? Or were the PI's working for Baez and framing Geo and Cindy.. Oh lawd.. this case is going to get me on meds for dellusional thoughts... My imagination runs wild w/my thoughts and theories. LOL....

[bballgrl]

Just found the link from CNN on the "kicking bag" statement

Damn, Wait till my wife finds out I remembered something!!!

Follow this link, ctrl F, type in "kick"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

Your so funny. I don't think she will be impressed by that.... Now, remember toi put the toilet seat down and she will do whatever you ask! LOL :tonguewag:

Yes, I think that the stories of each and every player in this tragedy have changed at least once!

[destiny1]

Mr. Krock- the Meter Reader who used to be a PI- was just on the ABC morning talk show. He explained his story about how he found Caylee and reported it. He reports that he found the body all by himself, and denied any tip or connection with anyone associated with the Anthonys. His story sounded true, reasonable..... too bad you get put through the spotlight and some think you are sinister, for simply being a good citizen.

I find him more believeable than the attorneys trained liars that are getting the big bucks for defending G C and L.

[nc1948]

Im sorry, I read your post wrong. ignore my other post about it. I agree with you. cindy smelled the car, why didnt she look for caylee at tonys apartment. caylee didnt seem to be cindys concern at that time.

She did not look for a live Caylee at Tony apartment, but they searched their back yard. More and More things seem to be pointing to them knowing she was already dead.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Man who found Caylee Anthony's remains: Deputies made rushed search of area
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011309,0,1353491.story?track=rss

Utility Worker: I Had Nothing To Do With Caylee's Death
http://www2.tbo.com/content/2009/jan/13/utility-worker-gma-i-had-nothing-do-caylees-death/news-breaking/

Man Who Found Caylee On 'Good Morning America'
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/13/man_who_found_caylee_on_39good_morning_america39.h tml

[dixielover]

Shelbar, that is true raw honesty!!!!!

I guess my problem is that everyone doesn't act the same. If I thought I saw something supicious, I would drag everyone I knew out there to see it-my friends, family, LE and searchers . I know I wouldn't waited 3 months before saying anything. Maybe he just wanted to be the one to find it by himself, jmo

[destiny1]

He was asked, "Let's set the record straight today, did you have any contact with anyone in the Anthony family before finding the ..."
His answer, "I've never even met those people, no."
referring to the anthonys. Not the hangers on.

[Snewpy]

Good morning everyone. I haven't posted in awhile, but been trying to keep up lurking. Here's my question. IF the MR is "dirty" and honestly, I don't think I have an opinion yet.... I go back and forth... but IF he is.. and IF he was directed to find the body by the A's or their minions... WHY would they want the body found? Wouldn't KC's defense be better served by the prosecution having NO body to go to trial with?

Same with the PI's video.. makes me wonder if they originally sent the PI's out to find sweet Caylee's body and move it?

I just can't see how finding her body benefits KC or the A's.

All MOO.

[AJandTam]

I pretty much agree Tam, and Lord knows we have dirty all the way to FILTHY ROTTEN here in this case from my POV.

I don't see him as dirty, but he might have some mud on his pants that has yet to be discovered. Sorry, to believe the destruction of evidence, I will require a point by point video filmed by DC and Hoover. J/K. :bored:JMO:blink:

:wub:

DC and Hoover... Oh my... The two of them were up to no good. Pulling some kind stunt. Wasn't the best idea they could have had, I don't think. Unless I am missing something.

[trt]

He said he kicked the bag and the skull rolled out IIRC

Big difference from picking up bag.

Has he or LE stated this at all? I remember the supervisor saying it on the 911 call, but I can't remember if LE stated that is what Mr. Kronk told them.

[desmom]

Here's my opinion on Krunk and it hasn't changed. He had good intentions, didn't want to be involved and is now. He's been more OPEN and TRUTHFUL than Casey and the whole entire family. Period.

It seems to me that no one can get anything honest or open from anyone in this case, so when they finally get it, its :drool: and a media frenzy.


I agree Funkyflower!

[Katt2]

Mr. Kronk has had financial hardship and he doesn't pull down a big salary, with neither of them being from the result of Caylee's death, so it is okay for him to profit from her death?
The Anthonys, at least in the beginning, likely did suffer financial hardship as the result of Caylee's death but it isn't okay for them to profit from it. Is that the way it works?

[funkyflower]

referring to the anthonys. Not the hangers on.

Exactly, he answered exactly what he was asked. I find it interesting that the interview was followed up on CBS by another show called "What Would You Do." To make sure I stay on topic, I think it was very interesting that most people tend to "stay out of it" even when their gut tells them something is wrong. I worry that is what keeps good people from coming forward when they could help. JMO

(the hangers on, imo are hired or helping the Anthony's, not LE)

[AJandTam]

I think at that point he was talking about finding her body. JMO.

Then why didn't he just say that.. :huh:

[CuriousJo]

He was asked, "Let's set the record straight today, did you have any contact with anyone in the Anthony family before finding the ..."
His answer, "I've never even met those people, no."

He repeated that statement again, - about 10 minutes ago on Good Morning America. All the LE have to do is check everyones phone records to verify that that they have not been talking.

Regarding kicking bag or opening it with hand, I bet he did both. If it were me, I would kick it first, then use my hand if nothing came out.

Why are some still suspicious about Krock? What does he have to gain? How could he be involved if the botanist prooves that plant life confirms that the body has been there since June? I think you have to use common sense.

[trt]

Regina

Also I noticed, the fact that his supervisor is the Anthony's neighbor never came up as well. These where designed questions, to show him in a good light. If not.....why where the facts changed by Kronk?

When they asked him, "do you know the Anthony's". I almost broke my TV. A real question should have been, do you know ANYONE associated with the case

But what would that have done? He could have just said no and then those who think that he is dirty would think he was lying and those that believe him would have believed him. He wasn't under oath so he could have spun the story any way he wished regardless of the questions asked. Isn't that what you think happened anyway? (not trying to be flip...honest)!! :)

[KKKKKKatie]

Good morning everyone. I haven't posted in awhile, but been trying to keep up lurking. Here's my question. IF the MR is "dirty" and honestly, I don't think I have an opinion yet.... I go back and forth... but IF he is.. and IF he was directed to find the body by the A's or their minions... WHY would they want the body found? Wouldn't KC's defense be better served by the prosecution having NO body to go to trial with?

Same with the PI's video.. makes me wonder if they originally sent the PI's out to find sweet Caylee's body and move it?

I just can't see how finding her body benefits KC or the A's.

All MOO.

The Zanny did it and is trying to frame me defense????

[AJandTam]

Did the Fbi clear him, or did the OCSO clear him?

I don't think that the FBI ever came out and discussed the case before, I could be wrong though

I thought it was a joint effort all around. They've all appeared to be working together on everything and quiet well it seems. I could be wrong.

[cassidy]

Does it really matter how he found the body? Whether he kicked or picked up the bag? Bottom line is, he DID find and reported finding the body. It put an end to the ceaseless reports of "live Caylee" sitings. It can't possibly help Casey's cause or the Anthony's . Maybe someone simply got tired of all the lies and tipped him off? Who knows?

JMO

[Daffodil]

LOL

I know that is what was being reported on that day....but has Kronk said that? As in....changed his story from kicked to picked up?

I am sorry to be such a pain....but like I said I have missed 2 weeks :blink:

I also have a concern as to whether this is what Kronk reported or it is what it being reported by media. I think the most important part would be his statement to LE and that is not available.

[dixielover]

Good morning everyone. I haven't posted in awhile, but been trying to keep up lurking. Here's my question. IF the MR is "dirty" and honestly, I don't think I have an opinion yet.... I go back and forth... but IF he is.. and IF he was directed to find the body by the A's or their minions... WHY would they want the body found? Wouldn't KC's defense be better served by the prosecution having NO body to go to trial with?

Same with the PI's video.. makes me wonder if they originally sent the PI's out to find sweet Caylee's body and move it?

I just can't see how finding her body benefits KC or the A's.

All MOO.

If they thought that they had proof that the body wasn't there before and now it suddenly appears- maybe they were going with the story that someone brought her to that area to frame Casey. Of course that theory wasn't well thought out because of the plants, bugs etc. These people are rocket scientist. jmo
I think sooner or later Caylee was going to be found because Tim was coming back to search that area. Maybe they wanted it on their on terms. jmo

[CuriousJo]

Mr. Kronk has had financial hardship and he doesn't pull down a big salary, with neither of them being from the result of Caylee's death, so it is okay for him to profit from her death?
The Anthonys, at least in the beginning, likely did suffer financial hardship as the result of Caylee's death but it isn't okay for them to profit from it. Is that the way it works?

At this point, I don't think Mr. Kronk has accepted the reward money. Hoever, he definately deserves it- and I sure hope he takes it.

[nc1948]

Mr. Krock- the Meter Reader who used to be a PI- was just on the ABC morning talk show. He explained his story about how he found Caylee and reported it. He reports that he found the body all by himself, and denied any tip or connection with anyone associated with the Anthonys. His story sounded true, reasonable..... too bad you get put through the spotlight and some think you are sinister, for simply being a good citizen.


And we wonder why there is a shotting within sight of 100's or a car wreck and no one saw anything. People are so scared of becoming involved because they then become the criminal and their every action is questioned. Some posters have been so critical about us questioning the Anthonys because the are mourning the loss of their daughter, but now are so critical of Kronk (remember he lost his wife, he is mourning her death) Some want to give the Anthonys a pass, I would rather give that pass to Kronk.

[dixielover]

Does it really matter how he found the body? Whether he kicked or picked up the bag? Bottom line is, he DID find and reported finding the body. It put an end to the ceaseless reports of "live Caylee" sitings. It can't possibly help Casey's cause or the Anthony's . Maybe someone simply got tired of all the lies and tipped him off? Who knows?

JMO
Also , I always thought that one of the As wanted to bring Caylee back home. maybe enough was enough and he/she was tired of the whole circus. jmo

[funkyflower]

He repeated that statement again, - about 10 minutes ago on Good Morning America. All the LE have to do is check everyones phone records to verify that that they have not been talking.

<snipped length>.:huh: That is what I was quoting from.

[daHawg]

GMA video interview with Kronk.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6635329

[Snewpy]

The Zanny did it and is trying to frame me defense????

I thought of that, too, Katie.. but anyone with sense knows ( not that having sense is relative to the A's behavior) that with the body comes more forensic evidence, and combined with the multitude of lies and other nonsense, that they were taking a HUGE risk going down the Zanny planted the body to implicate KC route. Not saying you're wrong because they clearly aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, but I just think it's crazy that anyone who is trying to AVOID the DP would orchestrate the finding of the exact evidence that could solidify it.

But again.. this is the bizarro world of the Anthony's.. black is white, up is down, wrong is right...

MOO

[jammies]

Morning Daff, I have a bit of a different view on Geo going into the trunk w/a witness. I always felt he knew she was NOT in the trunk but wanted a witness to that fact as he knew it would be important later. Also proof of how forensic's tied to him, might have gotten into the trunk if anything showed up later. I think his going into the trunk w/a witness is significant. JMO.... That particular part of the story is why I started not trusting Geo. way back when.

The most important piece of evidence that I would like to know about would be where LE thinks that Caylee was killed and what day.


I have never trusted GA either. He plays the dumb, innocent act to the hilt. No one could be as stupid as he pretends. I agree about the trunk. He had ALREADY been in that trunk and smelled decomp. when he caught Casey at the house. He changed that story too darn many times.... he was covering something.
He tells the tow guy that Casey and Caylee were "missing" but yet he says he saw her during the 31 days. Why would he tell the tow guy they were missing, etc?
btw, why was it important to place Casey in Cindy's car (can't remember date) and he chased her??

Remember GA saying he was suicidal? Why would HE want to take his own life? IMO, if he had told Cindy what was going on she would NEVER have made that 911 call.

Too many questions. One question just ends up leading to a bazillion others!

[ellegna]

Hadn't Casey told Cindy that she was on vacation with Zanny....at the beach IIRC?

Maybe that is why? :shrug:

IMO. Shouldn't have mattered what Casey told Cindy.
This was supposedly a frantic mother/grandmother who just smelled death in her daughter's car. Cindy hasn't seen or spoken to Caylee for a month. You would think Cindy would have gone through every nook and cranny in that apartment to be absolutely sure Caylee wasn't there before hauling Casey out.

[trt]

I thought it was a joint effort all around. They've all appeared to be working together on everything and quiet well it seems. I could be wrong.

ITA, the FBI and OCSO (as well as all the other offices) have been working together and they have been allowing OCSO to speak for everyone, IMO.

[AJandTam]

Just found the link from CNN on the "kicking bag" statement

Damn, Wait till my wife finds out I remembered something!!!

Follow this link, ctrl F, type in "kick"

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/11/ng.01.html

Oh my.. If this guy gets pulled in by the FBI today. I guess we will know why...

LOL,, you are in trouble now... she might pull you into interrogation for the rest of the day...

[Daffodil]

I guess my problem is that everyone doesn't act the same. If I thought I saw something supicious, I would drag everyone I knew out there to see it-my friends, family, LE and searchers . I know I wouldn't waited 3 months before saying anything. Maybe he just wanted to be the one to find it by himself, jmo

I think I would be more like Kronk - report it. But what would I do if they came out and cleared the area? What would they think of me if I kept pursuing it after they cleared it? Would I be helping or hurting? Would they have to take time to listen to me again just because I had a hunch?

[Snewpy]

If they thought that they had proof that the body wasn't there before and now it suddenly appears- maybe they were going with the story that someone brought her to that area to frame Casey. Of course that theory wasn't well thought out because of the plants, bugs etc. These people are rocket scientist. jmo
I think sooner or later Caylee was going to be found because Tim was coming back to search that area. Maybe they wanted it on their on terms. jmo

Ohhh Dixie.. I hadn't thought of that! That they were afraid Tim would find it and thought better them than him. Not to mention, if THEY found it, they could control the evidence ( or hide it, move it, bury it, destroy it - wouldn't put it past them, that's for sure ). Good points, all... !! :)

[Katt2]

At this point, I don't think Mr. Kronk has accepted the reward money. Hoever, he definately deserves it- and I sure hope he takes it.

I am not referring to the reward money. If he is legit, he definitely deserves that. I am referring to the money he may be making from selling his story.

[CANDYKISSES]

She did not look for a live Caylee at Tony apartment, but they searched their back yard. More and More things seem to be pointing to them knowing she was already dead.

I never thought about that NC, interesting tho. I wonder why Cindy didn't put up a big stink right there concerning Caylee? :confused:

[dixielover]

I am not referring to the reward money. If he is legit, he definitely deserves that. I am referring to the money he may be making from selling his story.

Didn' they say he sold a picture-where did I hear that? jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

I thought of that, too, Katie.. but anyone with sense knows ( not that having sense is relative to the A's behavior) that with the body comes more forensic evidence, and combined with the multitude of lies and other nonsense, that they were taking a HUGE risk going down the Zanny planted the body to implicate KC route. Not saying you're wrong because they clearly aren't the brightest bulbs on the tree, but I just think it's crazy that anyone who is trying to AVOID the DP would orchestrate the finding of the exact evidence that could solidify it.

But again.. this is the bizarro world of the Anthony's.. black is white, up is down, wrong is right...

MOO

I am not buying into the "Anthony's orchestrated this" yet. Right now I believe that poor Caylee was there all along.

But what might be happening is that the defense is trying to establish that she was not there all along and that Zanny is trying to frame her :rolleyes: IMO

[destiny1]

Exactly, he answered exactly what he was asked. I find it interesting that the interview was followed up on CBS by another show called "What Would You Do." To make sure I stay on topic, I think it was very interesting that most people tend to "stay out of it" even when their gut tells them something is wrong. I worry that is what keeps good people from coming forward when they could help. JMO

(the hangers on, imo are hired or helping the Anthony's, not LE)

I wouldn't consider any LE as hangers on in this case, but I certainly include bouncers bounty hunters, PIs and the like to be so. Until the waters were muddied by that information that Mr Kronk was a former Bondsman and PI, I didn't give his role much thought except to be grateful that he was persistent enough to go back multiple times.

edited to add: Tim Miller is not in my definition of hangers-on either.

[dixielover]

I am not buying into the "Anthony's orchestrated this" yet. Right now I believe that poor Caylee was there all along.

But what might be happening is that the defense is trying to establish that she was not there all along and that Zanny is trying to frame her :rolleyes: IMO


I guess I shouldn't considered the As and Baez group as one- who knows but it sure is going to be interesting the next few months. jmo

[KKKKKKatie]

IMO. Shouldn't have mattered what Casey told Cindy.
This was supposedly a frantic mother/grandmother who just smelled death in her daughter's car. Cindy hasn't seen or spoken to Caylee for a month. You would think Cindy would have gone through every nook and cranny in that apartment to be absolutely sure Caylee wasn't there before hauling Casey out.

that is certainly what I would have done but when talking about Cindy...who knows. I can't make heads or tails out of her!

[ellegna]

Awww, im gonna cut him some slack. he is just a regualr joe, found the bones, reported and now his life is turned upside down. he is being offered money by BIG TV STATIONS. He doesnt make alot of money and no one {or at least me} would turn down money to tell their story. Why should he be that altrustric? I think he was in the begining until he was "vilified".

I said this before and I will say it again, dont commit a crime in front of me, I will sell you out in a heartbeat to the highest bidder. Then I will be on a beach counting my money while everyone is at WORK talking about me and how much money I made.

Got to give him some credit for admitting he was paid to appear on GMA unlike others who adamantly deny being paid for their TV appearances

BTW....love your honesty :biggrin:

[desmom]

Mr. Kronk has had financial hardship and he doesn't pull down a big salary, with neither of them being from the result of Caylee's death, so it is okay for him to profit from her death?
The Anthonys, at least in the beginning, likely did suffer financial hardship as the result of Caylee's death but it isn't okay for them to profit from it. Is that the way it works?

Good Morning Katt2.

I think the making $$$ on a missing child must go with the territory on message boards. I remember the same thing happening while following Trenton Duckett's case.

If a family had continues to work or returns to their jobs, the boards are outraged. The family is accused of not caring.

If the families don't work, they are accused of mis-appropriation of donations. They are accused of using it to pay their personal bills.

IMO, if I send a donation to a fund for a missing child, I really don't care if it is used to put food on the family's table, pay their utilities or print flyers. I donate to a couple charities and I have never asked them to explain to me out they spent my $$$.

jmo

[AJandTam]

I have never trusted GA either. He plays the dumb, innocent act to the hilt. No one could be as stupid as he pretends. I agree about the trunk. He had ALREADY been in that trunk and smelled decomp. when he caught Casey at the house. He changed that story too darn many times.... he was covering something.
He tells the tow guy that Casey and Caylee were "missing" but yet he says he saw her during the 31 days. Why would he tell the tow guy they were missing, etc?
btw, why was it important to place Casey in Cindy's car (can't remember date) and he chased her??

Remember GA saying he was suicidal? Why would HE want to take his own life? IMO, if he had told Cindy what was going on she would NEVER have made that 911 call.

Too many questions. One question just ends up leading to a bazillion others!

Many of thier stories end up like this one. Particularly the early on stories. Like for instance. IF Casey left on Sunday night and all was good verses Casey leaving on Monday and all was good. What difference did what day she left matter IF all was good???

If all was good and she just moved out. Where was the moving out process.. They tell it like she just packed up a backpack and never came back to live there.

[kOOkie1]

Morning!! Question..Im sure someone has probebly asked this and has been answered, but, wouldnt the decomp smell still had been in that section of the woods back then?? or near/around that general area? or would the body being in water changed that? :crying:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox News OTR/Greta 1/12 Interview 11:34
Caught on tape?
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3440674&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Interview Archive
New Video Surfaces in Caylee Anthony Case
(Holly Bristol, Tim Miller, panel)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479750,00.html

[dixielover]

Got to give him some credit for admitting he was paid to appear on GMA unlike others who adamantly deny being paid for their TV appearances

BTW....love your honesty :biggrin:

I think the lawyer has said from the very beginning that Kronk wanted to do paid interviews because he doesn't have any money. At least he was honest about this. jmo

[daHawg]

OK I just listened to the interview he says "We got done with the route about 1:30" so where is the other person that was with him? What does he have to say about all of this because I am sure he saw whatever it was that Kronk saw that day? Also he say he called at 9 or 10 that night on the 11th and also 9 or 10 pm on the 12th. He called around 3 on the 11th and around 9 on the 12th. And what is with the pic of a coiled up snake? You can't tell where that came from if it came from there or not. He talks about finding a "dead snake" on the call on the 12th that didn't look like a dead snake to me. I don't know. More questions then answers here.

[shelbar53]

:biggrin: Shelbar... If you do get that big money. Will you take me w/you...

If he is anything but a good ol' boy. I think it's because he was paid to help discover the body, but then I never thought C and G wanted that.. .Maybe Casey... I don't think that either as evidence w/the body lead back to the A home. So why would they want that?? Or were the PI's working for Baez and framing Geo and Cindy.. Oh lawd.. this case is going to get me on meds for dellusional thoughts... My imagination runs wild w/my thoughts and theories. LOL....

lets say I was in on something and had my story down pat, and didnt think I would be put under a microscope. I think I would crack under the pressure kronk is going through.

having the FBI, LE and reporters pressure and question me....nope I would be sweating like a pig and having nightmares and wouldnt be able to keep up with my "story". I would come clean.

[Snewpy]

I am not buying into the "Anthony's orchestrated this" yet. Right now I believe that poor Caylee was there all along.

But what might be happening is that the defense is trying to establish that she was not there all along and that Zanny is trying to frame her :rolleyes: IMO

I agree with you there, Katie.. I, too, absolutely believe that Caylee was there all along. I am just so confused about the PI video - It's SO obvious to me he was on the phone with "someone" directing him where to look, and in my mind it can only be a very limited amount of people who could be directing him.

Well, off to work. Take care all.

Prayers for Caylee and Thanksgiving she was found.

[destiny1]

Good Morning Katt2.

I think the making $$$ on a missing child must go with the territory on message boards. I remember the same thing happening while following Trenton Duckett's case.

If a family had continues to work or returns to their jobs, the boards are outraged. The family is accused of not caring.

If the families don't work, they are accused of mis-appropriation of donations. They are accused of using it to pay their personal bills.

IMO, if I send a donation to a fund for a missing child, I really don't care if it is used to put food on the family's table, pay their utilities or print flyers. I donate to a couple charities and I have never asked them to explain to me out they spent my $$$.

jmo

If not for the antics of the anthonyss, most people would not have started questioning the ultimate destination of their donations. This situation is different, to put it mildly. Too many subsequent bad choices and bad acts on the part of the recipients.

[Katt2]

OK I just listened to the interview he says "We got done with the route about 1:30" so where is the other person that was with him? What does he have to say about all of this because I am sure he saw whatever it was that Kronk saw that day? Also he say he called at 9 or 10 that night on the 11th and also 9 or 10 pm on the 12th. He called around 3 on the 11th and around 9 on the 12th. And what is with the pic of a coiled up snake? You can't tell where that came from if it came from there or not. He talks about finding a "dead snake" on the call on the 12th that didn't look like a dead snake to me. I don't know. More questions then answers here.

Makes me wonder if that isn't a smokescreen to try to keep the "real" photo under wraps for now.

[Regina.Lampert]

I find him more believeable than the attorneys trained liars that are getting the big bucks for defending G C and L.

And much more believable then Dominic Casey who has changed his story significantly regarding who he was on the phone with and what duties Hoover had.

No professional investigator would go about searching for remains without gloves on, imo. I think Dominic Casey's job was to tamper with evidence if not remove evidence from the crimescene all together.

This is the one that's dirty, imo.

[dixielover]

Morning!! Question..Im sure someone has probebly asked this and has been answered, but, wouldnt the decomp smell still had been in that section of the woods back then?? or near/around that general area? or would the body being in water changed that? :crying:

I can only go by my own experience, when I have picked up a drowning victims the decomp doesn't smell as bad and someone laying out somewhere. In a large area it will go away after awhile. In a sucide or someone dies in a car, I have smelled it long long long time after the death. Had to be a witness in a trial and after a year the car still smelled- maybe the smell is just in my head. jmo

[nc1948]

I never thought about that NC, interesting tho. I wonder why Cindy didn't put up a big stink right there concerning Caylee? :confused:


If my grandchild were missing and I THOUGHT he had been kidnapped, I would not search my back yard. I have fallen off the fence to the side that the Anthonys knew and knew early that Caylee was dead. My tush hurts from all the times I have fallen off this dang fence. Cindy did not go into Tonys house hollering where is Caylee. Why.

[shelbar53]

Many of thier stories end up like this one. Particularly the early on stories. Like for instance. IF Casey left on Sunday night and all was good verses Casey leaving on Monday and all was good. What difference did what day she left matter IF all was good???

If all was good and she just moved out. Where was the moving out process.. They tell it like she just packed up a backpack and never came back to live there.

yes, I never thought of the "moving process". didnt cindy say casey and caylee were having bonding time?

[Katt2]

If not for the antics of the anthonyss, most people would not have started questioning the ultimate destination of their donations. This situation is different, to put it mildly. Too many subsequent bad choices and bad acts on the part of the recipients.


When I made my original post, I was not referring to donations or tipline $. I am referring to interviews etc. Some seem to think it is perfectly okay for Kronk to be paid for the same thing the Anthonys have been chastised for, is my only point.

[Regina.Lampert]

Mr. Kronk has had financial hardship and he doesn't pull down a big salary, with neither of them being from the result of Caylee's death, so it is okay for him to profit from her death?
The Anthonys, at least in the beginning, likely did suffer financial hardship as the result of Caylee's death but it isn't okay for them to profit from it. Is that the way it works?

I can stomach Kronk making a buck off of this way before I can stomach any of the anthonys making money off the murder of their granddaughter. Morning sunshine!! :wub:

[trich]

But what might be happening is that the defense is trying to establish that she was not there all along and that Zanny is trying to frame her :rolleyes: IMO snipped:

I agree I think this is the defense trying to establish that the Nanny did it and put the body there after Casey was already in jail.
But in saying that I believe the Anthonys are working with the defense to help prove this theory.
I think they are all in this together.
this family is unreal.

[jammies]

Many of thier stories end up like this one. Particularly the early on stories. Like for instance. IF Casey left on Sunday night and all was good verses Casey leaving on Monday and all was good. What difference did what day she left matter IF all was good???

If all was good and she just moved out. Where was the moving out process.. They tell it like she just packed up a backpack and never came back to live there.


Yep. Remember the Casey was "bonding" with Caylee story? Odd, how none of Caylee's clothes were missing. Oh yeah, Zanny had everything she needed!! how could Casey be bonding with her if she was with the nanny during a business trip? Wonder who came up with THAT version?

If they were truly concerned about Caylee, GA would have followed Casey the day he caught her at the house. Nope, he just asks her if she had talked to mom. He never says that he even ASKED about his grand-daughter. That's the day I believe he found out something sinister.

[trt]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3jJ2Csmx0




Hate to say I told 'ya so

But....................................... "Good Samaritan"? Don't think so



Does that really negate this guy being a good samaritan though? He found the body, he has been having it rough financially, he sells a picture of a snake in that area to a TV station. I'll admit, its not the best thing that one could do after finding a child's body, but for someone making 10 bucks and hour who was completely wiped out after his wife's death and who couldn't collect any reward money because he dared to call THE POLICE instaed of the tip line...I think I can give him a little pass.

Especially when this child's own family is secretly getting rich off of her disappearance and death..MOO!!

[kitty1182]

When I made my original post, I was not referring to donations or tipline $. I am referring to interviews etc. Some seem to think it is perfectly okay for Kronk to be paid for the same thing the Anthonys have been chastised for, is my only point.



Hi ya Sissy..I missed the interview this morning..:sleep:

[AJandTam]

ITA, the FBI and OCSO (as well as all the other offices) have been working together and they have been allowing OCSO to speak for everyone, IMO.

I don't know about you trt, but i've been quiet impressed w/how well they are all working together. Although, I always felt like the FBI hanging around meant something. They are the top dogs. I can't see them hanging around working a solved case where a simple stupid little girl murders her daughter and throws her in the woods down the street from the house she lives in. I felt like they were there because OTHERS were involved in either the murder or they were trying to prove a big case of money fraud. I guess we will see how it all unfolds... I could be wrong.

[daHawg]

Hi ya Sissy..I missed the interview this morning..:sleep:

Here you go Kitty.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6635329

[WillowInFlight]

snipped:

I agree I think this is the defense trying to establish that the Nanny did it and put the body there after Casey was already in jail.
But in saying that I believe the Anthonys are working with the defense to help prove this theory.
I think they are all in this together.
this family is unreal.

ITA, the sick part about this IMO is Cindy and George know the truth.

[Regina.Lampert]

If they thought that they had proof that the body wasn't there before and now it suddenly appears- maybe they were going with the story that someone brought her to that area to frame Casey. Of course that theory wasn't well thought out because of the plants, bugs etc. These people are rocket scientist. jmo
I think sooner or later Caylee was going to be found because Tim was coming back to search that area. Maybe they wanted it on their on terms. jmo

I agree. I think the anthony camp knew the water level was going down and that area would be searched again. That's why Dominic Casey was dispatched to the area to move the remains. IMO. Her certainly was not there to preserve evidence for LE to use against casey anthony, imo.

[Motomom]

If my grandchild were missing and I THOUGHT he had been kidnapped, I would not search my back yard. I have fallen off the fence to the side that the Anthonys knew and knew early that Caylee was dead. My tush hurts from all the times I have fallen off this dang fence. Cindy did not go into Tonys house hollering where is Caylee. Why.

NC that has always bothered me. Why didn't she ask for Caylee there. I would have demanded her produce caylee at that point and would have asked the boys where she was.. would have questioned where her stuff was too.

[Lavenia]

I am Central time and it was just on

Yeah, I had to step away to take kidlet to school, but I got it, too!

[destiny1]

Fox News OTR/Greta 1/12 Interview 11:34
Caught on tape?
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3440674&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

Interview Archive
New Video Surfaces in Caylee Anthony Case
(Holly Bristol, Tim Miller, panel)
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479750,00.html

I love Tim Miller. He is sticking to his guns re Baez, and he remembers what this is really about. "I will fight this to the very very end"

[trt]

I don't know about you trt, but i've been quiet impressed w/how well they are all working together. Although, I always felt like the FBI hanging around meant something. They are the top dogs. I can't see them hanging around working a solved case where a simple stupid little girl murders her daughter and throws her in the woods down the street from the house she lives in. I felt like they were there because OTHERS were involved in either the murder or they were trying to prove a big case of money fraud. I guess we will see how it all unfolds... I could be wrong.

Mornin' Tam!! I agree, they have been very uniform in their approach to this case and I appreciate that. It always helps the case run smoother if you have all branches working with each other instead of trying to one up each other. I remember in Trenton's case, there was some that going on between two police office's and it was a distraction to the case.

I think the FBI is called in on all missing persons cases and I do think that there is a lot more to this case that we won't know until trial and probably still have questions after.

[Katt2]

I can stomach Kronk making a buck off of this way before I can stomach any of the anthonys making money off the murder of their granddaughter. Morning sunshine!! :wub:

Frankly I don't care who makes money from it as long as the truth prevails. So far we have seen little truth from any source. Speculation, "close to the source", media interpretation, TH's interpretation, lawyers, family and on and on.
My only point is if it is good for one then it is good for all.:seeya:

[AJandTam]

lets say I was in on something and had my story down pat, and didnt think I would be put under a microscope. I think I would crack under the pressure kronk is going through.

having the FBI, LE and reporters pressure and question me....nope I would be sweating like a pig and having nightmares and wouldnt be able to keep up with my "story". I would come clean.

Yep, one look at the FBI and I would be very afraid.. Those boys... they are my idols..

[nc1948]

NC that has always bothered me. Why didn't she ask for Caylee there. I would have demanded her produce caylee at that point and would have asked the boys where she was.. would have questioned where her stuff was too.


Yes and yes, I would also have asked the boys when was the last time they had seen Caylee. No questions or concern about Caylee. Why, I think it was because she knew.

[daHawg]

Makes me wonder if that isn't a smokescreen to try to keep the "real" photo under wraps for now.

I would be surprised if there is a pic. I think imo since the media doesn't pay for interviews and that they only pay for licensing of photos they asked him for anything he had that remotely looked close to anything from the area. All he had was a pic of a snake. Who knows when that was taken. Would be interesting to find that out. That would be the only way he would be compensated for his story so he "sold" a pic of a coiled up snake because he made mention in his phone call of a dead snake. $$$$

[funkyflower]

When I made my original post, I was not referring to donations or tipline $. I am referring to interviews etc. Some seem to think it is perfectly okay for Kronk to be paid for the same thing the Anthonys have been chastised for, is my only point.

Well, I mean, they should have came forward with the body location first then. lol They knew better than their meter reader. IMO

[AJandTam]

With the pain Med's for my back she was surprised I remembered those points........but they are good ones, the points I made that is.:laugh:

:biggrin: absolutely..

[ellegna]

I agree. I think the anthony camp knew the water level was going down and that area would be searched again. That's why Dominic Casey was dispatched to the area to move the remains. IMO. Her certainly was not there to preserve evidence for LE to use against casey anthony, imo.

Caylee certainly had a guardian angel watching over her remains. Heaven forbid if Dom Casey found her. I shudder to think what his next plan may have been?

[WillowInFlight]

I gues if it was any other case, I would agree with you. But there is som much money being made, honestly and dishonestly, I guess a lot of us are gettting gun shy. Would I have done the same, most definatly, its all about me and my family. But man oh man, you gotta agree that after all this family and everyone else has done, you can see why I doubt him.
I think the finding of the body was staged, Cindy and George out of state, George lying through his armpit the night before, I do think if Kronk was used it will come out.

[trt]

I gues if it was any other case, I would agree with you. But there is som much money being made, honestly and dishonestly, I guess a lot of us are gettting gun shy. Would I have done the same, most definatly, its all about me and my family. But man oh man, you gotta agree that after all this family and everyone else has done, you can see why I doubt him.

It's really weird for sure Mac and I had my doubts about him at first too, especially after it was found that he had called in tips before. But the only people that can be trusted in this case are the LE and they have no reason not to believe him, so that is the only reason I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But yeah, nothing in this case surprises me anymore...

[destiny1]

Yes and yes, I would also have asked the boys when was the last time they had seen Caylee. No questions or concern about Caylee. Why, I think it was because she knew.

During this alleged fight on the night of 15 July, Casey may have threatened to kill Caylee in the heat of this argument. Once again speculation, but Cindy may have known Caseys capabilities before then. Once the car was located and the smell observed, her suspicions were confirmed. There is also the possibility that something more was removed from that car before LE got to examine it.

[jammies]

I think the finding of the body was staged, Cindy and George out of state, George lying through his armpit the night before, I do think if Kronk was used it will come out.


But that would mean that Kronk was tipped off back in August. OR the A's (or one of their minions) knew about his phone calls in Aug. to LE and got word to him in Nov. to go back.

I'm not buyin' it!

[SavannahStar]

Frankly I don't care who makes money from it as long as the truth prevails. So far we have seen little truth from any source. Speculation, "close to the source", media interpretation, TH's interpretation, lawyers, family and on and on.
My only point is if it is good for one then it is good for all.:seeya:

Very good posts this morning, Katt. :thumbsup:

[ellegna]

I think the finding of the body was staged, Cindy and George out of state, George lying through his armpit the night before, I do think if Kronk was used it will come out.

But... But... But... How would it have played out back in Aug if the officer waded through the swamp to where the bag was? How would Kronk know back then the officer didn't want to get his feet wet?

[WillowInFlight]

But that would mean that Kronk was tipped off back in August. OR the A's (or one of their minions) knew about his phone calls in Aug. to LE and got word to him in Nov. to go back.

I'm not buyin' it!

I don't think he was tipped off in August, but I think the Anthony camp became aware of it. Casey told someone that body was there, no way no how did they find it by chance. IMO

[Katt2]

I would be surprised if there is a pic. I think imo since the media doesn't pay for interviews and that they only pay for licensing of photos they asked him for anything he had that remotely looked close to anything from the area. All he had was a pic of a snake. Who knows when that was taken. Would be interesting to find that out. That would be the only way he would be compensated for his story so he "sold" a pic of a coiled up snake because he made mention in his phone call of a dead snake. $$$$

You just may be right! After listening to the link that Mac provided it pretty much states that there had to a picture to be paid. His own lawyer said he was shopping around for ways to make the most money.

[kitty1182]

Here you go Kitty.

http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6635329



Thanks....He seems on the level with me....Like him, I would have kept going back too..lol

[desmom]

Frankly I don't care who makes money from it as long as the truth prevails. So far we have seen little truth from any source. Speculation, "close to the source", media interpretation, TH's interpretation, lawyers, family and on and on.
My only point is if it is good for one then it is good for all.:seeya:

I agree Katt2.

[AJandTam]

yes, I never thought of the "moving process". didnt cindy say casey and caylee were having bonding time?

and never explained why she couldn't just move out to where Cindy and Geo knew where she was, instead of hiding. And Casey was hiding from them. All good and fine except Casey was such a bad mom and Cindy was so concerned that she is thinking of going for custody... Yet a month after they leave.. Cindy goes... oh yeah. I need to go find Casey and that kid of hers.. the one she is an unfit mother too... Oh wait.. the unfit mother doesn't have the kid.. well i'll be mother of the year.. me custody...nah.... her car smells like death, she has a nanny i've never heard of who stole the child.. Hmmmmmmmm poor Casey... Better start telling lies and covering this up, but wait i'll call 911 first and get someone interested.

[shelbar53]

and never explained why she couldn't just move out to where Cindy and Geo knew where she was, instead of hiding. And Casey was hiding from them. All good and fine except Casey was such a bad mom and Cindy was so concerned that she is thinking of going for custody... Yet a month after they leave.. Cindy goes... oh yeah. I need to go find Casey and that kid of hers.. the one she is an unfit mother too... Oh wait.. the unfit mother doesn't have the kid.. well i'll be mother of the year.. me custody...nah.... her car smells like death, she has a nanny i've never heard of who stole the child.. Hmmmmmmmm poor Casey... Better start telling lies and covering this up, but wait i'll call 911 first and get someone interested.

that about sums it up in addition to, at least she is not stealing money from me now.

[shelbar53]

I think you are right on target. The only thing I have a problem with is the time frame that the forensic botanists came up with. They say the bosy was dumped in July. Right? That would make the removal and place if the remains far beyond the scope of body transfer.

Or did I miss sumptin?

no, the body was dumped in June, not July

[cassidy]

You just may be right! After listening to the link that Mac provided it pretty much states that there had to a picture to be paid. His own lawyer said he was shopping around for ways to make the most money.

Once the body was discovered, the personal attacks on him started. The man had to get an attorney to protect himself. Betcha he thinks alot differently about being a good samaratin and doing the right thing now.

JMO

[AJandTam]

Mornin' Tam!! I agree, they have been very uniform in their approach to this case and I appreciate that. It always helps the case run smoother if you have all branches working with each other instead of trying to one up each other. I remember in Trenton's case, there was some that going on between two police office's and it was a distraction to the case.

I think the FBI is called in on all missing persons cases and I do think that there is a lot more to this case that we won't know until trial and probably still have questions after.

Yes agencies are known to be jealous of each other or ego's get out of wack..

Yes, the FBI don't have time for a solved case. They stayed around for a reason. Once the case was pretty much wrapped up, they weren't really needed. Casey didn't do the best of jobs here... Pretty simple really.

We haven't heard about it yet, but I wonder if the A's bank accounts aren't frozen. Just a guess based on a thought someone in my real life brought up. Maybe this is why no funeral yet.

[dixielover]

Well, I mean, they should have came forward with the body location first then. lol They knew better than their meter reader. IMO


I was just thinking that begin a boundy hunter in the past, he proably didn't get anyone else involved because he wanted the money to himself. He knew if he found the body that there would be interviews etc. Isn't that what BH do- get people for money. I would have told everyone about it and got everyone involved. jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Does that really negate this guy being a good samaritan though? He found the body, he has been having it rough financially, he sells a picture of a snake in that area to a TV station. I'll admit, its not the best thing that one could do after finding a child's body, but for someone making 10 bucks and hour who was completely wiped out after his wife's death and who couldn't collect any reward money because he dared to call THE POLICE instaed of the tip line...I think I can give him a little pass.

Especially when this child's own family is secretly getting rich off of her disappearance and death..MOO!!

I agree with you T., totally. :thumbsup:

[*MoonRider*]

But that would mean that Kronk was tipped off back in August. OR the A's (or one of their minions) knew about his phone calls in Aug. to LE and got word to him in Nov. to go back.

I'm not buyin' it!


Me either. The OC was in jail from 7/16 until 8/21. All of jailhouse visits were recorded. We still haven't seen the 8/14 one. :ohmy: The only person who could have known would have been Casey or her not so brilliant attorney. Jose was the only one who was able to speak with her without being recorded. I don't think anyone tipped off the MR JMO

[shelbar53]

Sorry bout that...but when was the body moved? Forensics say it was not moved, if I am reading this right

I dont think the body was moved when it was dumped in the woods. so whenever casey threw the body in the woods, that is where it stayed until kronk found it.

[jammies]

Thanks....He seems on the level with me....Like him, I would have kept going back too..lol


Oh, me too. He actually put into action what we sit at home and type everyday!

[RockStarGirl]

Sorry bout that...but when was the body moved? Forensics say it was not moved, if I am reading this right

Good Morning All, just jumping in here. Haven't read all posts yet this morning, trying to catch up so if this has been stated, I apologize, but what I'm thinking is that the Prosecution's stand is that Casey killed Caylee and dumped the body, working completely on her own. The Defense will likely say that the body was dumped later, when Casey was in jail, therefore Casey could not have done that. However, with the release of this tape of Dominick Casey searching for the body with the statement, "it should be right here". Wouldn't that be a reason to believe that if the body had been moved or dumped to the location in which it was eventually found later, possibly while Casey was in jail, it must have been moved/dumped by Dominick Casey or a PI or someone that was working with or for the Anthony's. I think this is not a bad thing for the Prosecution. Am I way off track here? What do you all think?

[playnice]

I can stomach Kronk making a buck off of this way before I can stomach any of the anthonys making money off the murder of their granddaughter. Morning sunshine!! :wub:

He found the dead remains of a little girl that the whole country was praying to be found. He has been trashed and his whole life has been publized . Makes ya think twice about getting involved. If he can make money more power to him. Its going to get a whole lot worse for him.

[desmom]

I don't think he was tipped off in August, but I think the Anthony camp became aware of it. Casey told someone that body was there, no way no how did they find it by chance. IMO

I agree Willow. I think someone knew also and I do not believe it was Kronk.

Was Kronk's calls in August released in the tips to JB or in one of the document dumps?

I think someone told D. Casey to go to the area. I don't buy D. Casey's statements he was following up on a witness statement or talking to a psychic. IMO, the way he approached the area makes me believe he thought it was a huge waste of time. When he came up empty handed on the 15th, I believe he was told to look again and that is why he returned on the 16th.

[Regina.Lampert]

Caylee certainly had a guardian angel watching over her remains. Heaven forbid if Dom Casey found her. I shudder to think what his next plan may have been?

Well, I doubt very much the "voice on the phone" would have said to make sure he doesn't disturb the evidence, so LE can get the goods on casey anthony. Nope, doubt that very much..... :mad:

[WillowInFlight]

Me either. The OC was in jail from 7/16 until 8/21. All of jailhouse visits were recorded. We still haven't seen the 8/14 one. :ohmy: The only person who could have known would have been Casey or her not so brilliant attorney. Jose was the only one who was able to speak with her without being recorded. I don't think anyone tipped off the MR JMO
Of course all her visits were recorded, but was her out going letters read? I don't buy that this guy who reported a sighting 3 times in August, just out of the blue decides to go back 5 months later and see if he can find anything.

[MiamiNice1]

Apologies if this has been posted - from CNN.com.

On this Nancy Grace Clip, Kathy Belich is explaining the Dominic Casey clip - especially interesting is what D.Casey says when he comes across the concrete blocks behind the abandoned house:

Did Casey know where body was?

http://www.cnn.com/video/#/video/crime/2009/01/13/ng.secret.tape.cnn

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. I missed the Roy Kronk interview, but he sounds like a nice guy who got himself into a big mess.

The only thing I can say with certainty in this case anymore, is that Casey killed little Caylee.

Everytime I think I might have heard it all, something even crazier happens and throws me for a loop.

:w00t:

[Katt2]

Once the body was discovered, the personal attacks on him started. The man had to get an attorney to protect himself. Betcha he thinks alot differently about being a good samaratin and doing the right thing now.

JMO

I disagree somewhat. According to LE he was credible so why did he need protection? He wasn't being threatened with slander or anything. I would be willing to bet the attorney found him and he didn't find the attorney.
There are always going to be personal attacks in a situation like this and absolutely no one other than dear Caylee is going to be free from suspicion and criticism. It just goes with the territory.

[Regina.Lampert]

But... But... But... How would it have played out back in Aug if the officer waded through the swamp to where the bag was? How would Kronk know back then the officer didn't want to get his feet wet?

Excellent point Ell and I am waiting with bated breath for this deputys report on exactly what he saw and what he did.

[RockStarGirl]

I don't think that Dom moved the body. The forensic botanist has plant growth right on the money for the body being dumped in June.

No, I agree, that is not what I am saying. What I am saying is that if the Defense wants to use this, wouldn't they be basically opening the door for someone to believe that if it was moved it was moved by the Anthonys, meaning the PI or someone working for them. I think this will throw a wrench in the Defense's case. Does that make sense?

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks....He seems on the level with me....Like him, I would have kept going back too..lol

Oh my Sweet Lord, you and your shovel would have leveled that entire wooded lot had you suspected Caylee was in there.......... :wub:

[*MoonRider*]

Of course all her visits were recorded, but was her out going letters read? I don't buy that this guy who reported a sighting 3 times in August, just out of the blue decides to go back 5 months later and see if he can find anything.

IMO Casey did not have a "I'll come clean and tell you where the body is moment" in any kind of correspondence. She had a script to follow.

[MichelleP]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3jJ2Csmx0




Hate to say I told 'ya so

But....................................... "Good Samaritan"? Don't think so

What I wonder is what is the picture of? How much of a story does he have to tell? You figure if he just found the skeleton/and or body it really wouldn't be that much, would it? I don't see why imo he is making so much of a circus out of finding Caylee's body that he has to go on shows to talk about it.

My opinion only

[Roux]

LOL, looks like you and I have our first little spat! :tongue:

Unless, I am being naive, I really thought he was genuine and sincere. If you recall, we have only heard edited tapes, so I'm not so sure he didn't mention a black bag.

I hope everyone who saw the interview weighs in on this. Is Kronk trustworthy or is he "dirty" that is the question?

Late chiming in here but I believed what Mr. Kronk had to say. Mayhap I misunderstood his first call, but he didn't say white "bag." He simply said "white." So could it have been the skull that was white, not a garbage bag?
With his background in Coast Guard and bounty/bail I think it's quite reasonable to presume that he might have had a slightly different interest than a person without those experiences. His explanation cleared a few things in my mind.

[shelbar53]

Of course all her visits were recorded, but was her out going letters read? I don't buy that this guy who reported a sighting 3 times in August, just out of the blue decides to go back 5 months later and see if he can find anything.

I can buy kronk going back and looking. Finding things is a quirk of mine, I even have a metal detector. I love to look for things. My family knows this and calls me over to their house to look for something.

However, I dont think I could go deep into the florida "scrub" with snakes and banana spiders and gators and othe creepy things. I like the beach sand..use my metal detector there.

[WillowInFlight]

IMO Casey did not have a "I'll come clean and tell you where the body is moment" in any kind of correspondence. She had a script to follow.

IMO the only script Casey had to follow was a Casey script. I do believe she tipped someone off, I think she probably figured cause of death would never be known and she could go forward with the kidnapping story. I will never believe that baby was found just by chance.

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes agencies are known to be jealous of each other or ego's get out of wack..

Yes, the FBI don't have time for a solved case. They stayed around for a reason. Once the case was pretty much wrapped up, they weren't really needed. Casey didn't do the best of jobs here... Pretty simple really.

We haven't heard about it yet, but I wonder if the A's bank accounts aren't frozen. Just a guess based on a thought someone in my real life brought up. Maybe this is why no funeral yet.


One of the guests on NG or JVM theorized that perhaps the Feds were running a wiretap on suspicious people in this case. Might that be the reason they are hanging around?

[funkyflower]

What I wonder is what is the picture of? How much of a story does he have to tell? You figure if he just found the skeleton/and or body it really wouldn't be that much, would it? I don't see why imo he is making so much of a circus out of finding Caylee's body that he has to go on shows to talk about it.

My opinion only

HE, Roy Krunk, is the one who is making this a circus?:confused:
I disagree. I think he seems to be attempting to protect his own reputation.
And the pic was flashed on the screen for about .5 seconds of a snake.

[kitty1182]

Oh my Sweet Lord, you and your shovel would have leveled that entire wooded lot had you suspected Caylee was in there.......... :wub:



You got that right......I'm serious!! If I thought she was somewhere, I would have been there every chance I got....

(Someone would have seen me and my shovel and thought I put her there)

[CuriousJo]

Quote: Originally Posted by RockStarGirl
Good Morning All, just jumping in here. Haven't read all posts yet this morning, trying to catch up so if this has been stated, I apologize, but what I'm thinking is that the Prosecution's stand is that Casey killed Caylee and dumped the body, working completely on her own. The Defense will likely say that the body was dumped later, when Casey was in jail, therefore Casey could not have done that. However, with the release of this tape of Dominick Casey searching for the body with the statement, "it should be right here". Wouldn't that be a reason to believe that if the body had been moved or dumped to the location in which it was eventually found later, possibly while Casey was in jail, it must have been moved/dumped by Dominick Casey or a PI or someone that was working with or for the Anthony's. I think this is not a bad thing for the Prosecution. Am I way off track here? What do you all think? End quote.

When DC said " It should be right here"- he was right, as he was only feet away from the body. Apparently, the body was still submerged in water on November 15/16, so he did not find the body. He was using a metal detector - so wonder what metal object was suppose to be with body. The botanist and bug expert will provide evidence that the body had been there since June. Finally, when they announced that a body had been found- yet not identifiec- Casey required sedation. Obviously, she knew that they had found Caylee. When childs items had been found by a local river, Casey did not get upset- because she knew the body was not there. And when you add in web searches for neck breaking, chloriform + car with smell of "death", chloriform detected in trunk, mother not telling anyone child was missing for a month and getting "Its a good llife" tatoo- she is cooked.

[nothingnew]

Mr. Kronk has had financial hardship and he doesn't pull down a big salary, with neither of them being from the result of Caylee's death, so it is okay for him to profit from her death?
The Anthonys, at least in the beginning, likely did suffer financial hardship as the result of Caylee's death but it isn't okay for them to profit from it. Is that the way it works?

I think it goes like this: "If your granddaughter is "missing" and you hold the title to a "death car", then asking for money is bad form." I think, I'll need to go check my Emily Post book to be sure though.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Meter Reader Who Found Remains Appears On GMA
"The prosecution has to be very nervous about a key witness such as he going on national television and making statements," Sheaffer said.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18468226/detail.html

WFTV9 Video 6:06
RAW INTERVIEW: Legal Analyst Bill Sheaffer Says Kronk May Help Defense
http://www.wftv.com/video/18468245/index.html

[kitty1182]

So the cop was rude to Kronk when he was called to look at the bag?

That's what it sounds like to me.....I would have called him back..lol

[destiny1]

no, the body was dumped in June, not July

I just realized that I also misposted a similar mistake. (beginning to sound like the Anthonys).



At this point, no matter who profits, or who covered up this atrocity, It would be a wonderful thing if the truth were allowed to come out. From Kronk, Hoover, DCasey, Lenny, George, Lee and Cindy. I doubt Casey will ever come clean, but any truth out of her would be appreciated.

In my opinion, the truth is the only thing Caylee has left on this earth, and these people need to give her that. She is owed that.

[WillowInFlight]

That's what it sounds like to me.....I would have called him back..lol

Don't you find it a little strange that what could be a key witness is now making the media circuit?

[RockStarGirl]

Yes it does...a lot

Thank goodness you understood what I meant. I thought for sure no one would know what I meant. I was having a hard time expressing myself. :blush:

[shelbar53]

Don't you find it a little strange that what could be a key witness is now making the media circuit?

No, I dont find that strange, he just found the body and big news and tv stations are dangling big money in front of him. I think it would be weirder if he refused the money.

[RockStarGirl]

Quote: Originally Posted by RockStarGirl
Good Morning All, just jumping in here. Haven't read all posts yet this morning, trying to catch up so if this has been stated, I apologize, but what I'm thinking is that the Prosecution's stand is that Casey killed Caylee and dumped the body, working completely on her own. The Defense will likely say that the body was dumped later, when Casey was in jail, therefore Casey could not have done that. However, with the release of this tape of Dominick Casey searching for the body with the statement, "it should be right here". Wouldn't that be a reason to believe that if the body had been moved or dumped to the location in which it was eventually found later, possibly while Casey was in jail, it must have been moved/dumped by Dominick Casey or a PI or someone that was working with or for the Anthony's. I think this is not a bad thing for the Prosecution. Am I way off track here? What do you all think? End quote.

When DC said " It should be right here"- he was right, as he was only feet away from the body. Apparently, the body was still submerged in water on November 15/16, so he did not find the body. He was using a metal detector - so wonder what metal object was suppose to be with body. The botanist and bug expert will provide evidence that the body had been there since June. Finally, when they announced that a body had been found- yet not identifiec- Casey required sedation. Obviously, she knew that they had found Caylee. When childs items had been found by a local river, Casey did not get upset- because she knew the body was not there. And when you add in web searches for neck breaking, chloriform + car with smell of "death", chloriform detected in trunk, mother not telling anyone child was missing for a month and getting "Its a good llife" tatoo- she is cooked.


Yes, I agree. She's done. There is no way she could get away with this. I think any jury would be too smart. At least I hope to God they are. I'm just wondering how much stranger this could get. I would really like to know who Dominick Casey was speaking to on the phone while searching for the body and who told him to look there. It had to come from Casey, IMO, it just had to. Maybe not directly, but could have been in "code" to Lee or she told him outright? I would love to know.

[WillowInFlight]

No, I dont find that strange, he just found the body and big news and tv stations are dangling big money in front of him. I think it would be weirder if he refused the money.

I don't believe key witnesses have any business talking before a trial takes place, they have plenty of time to sell their story afterwards, after all she is going to be convicted, I would thing the dollars signs would go up for his story. JMO

[AJandTam]

One of the guests on NG or JVM theorized that perhaps the Feds were running a wiretap on suspicious people in this case. Might that be the reason they are hanging around?

I think they are investigating fraud. We'll see.

[shelbar53]

what ever happend to dennis from kidfinders? is he still visiting with the A's?

I would be upset if it came out that the A's knew caylee was dead but still carried on about looking for a live caylee and having everyone follow up on sightings. even as late as december they were still saying there are live sightings of caylee. To me, that is a crime.

[Regina.Lampert]

Don't you find it a little strange that what could be a key witness is now making the media circuit?

I sure don't find it strange, his character has been under attack by baez and his shill, geraldo rivera who called him a rapist on FOX Live Weekend, prompting the anchor to make a correction.

Nope, I don't blame him one bit for appearing and straightening out the sly insinuations made.

I do not think his interview will hurt the prosecution at all, I disagree with the attorney here. The fact is he did find those remains.

[kitty1182]

Don't you find it a little strange that what could be a key witness is now making the media circuit?


Not really...God works in mysterious ways...:wink:

[desmom]

In his GMA interview, http://abcnews.go.com/Video/playerIndex?id=6635329 Kronk said he had just been assigned to that area on August 11. They finished work at 1:30 and they did not have to return to the office until 2:30, so they found the only shady spot there was. He called around 9:30 p.m. August 11. August 12, he called Crimeline. On August 13, he met with an officer. They stood at the water's edge, the officer swept his head back and forth and said he did not see anything. He stated the officer was kind of rude to him.

In December he goes back to the same area because he had to go to the bathroom. He saw something that did not look right, so he pulled it up.

IIRC, one of the earlier statements said Kronk was transferred from this route and had only recently been reassigned to the area.

jmo

[Roux]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Iw3jJ2Csmx0




Hate to say I told 'ya so

But....................................... "Good Samaritan"? Don't think so

The only photo I saw on his interview which would qualify for the "licensing fee" was of a rattler! That's a pretty expensive dead snake.

[shelbar53]

I don't believe key witnesses have any business talking before a trial takes place, they have plenty of time to sell their story afterwards, after all she is going to be convicted, I would thing the dollars signs would go up for his story. JMO

You know, I never understood why its ok to sell a story after a trial but not before a trial, its still the same info.

[kitty1182]

You make me laugh, and I dont doubt you would be in everyones buisness, and I mean that in a good way, you should have been a detective!
:rose:




Wish I had been..Too old now..lol

[destiny1]

Yes, I agree. She's done. There is no way she could get away with this. I think any jury would be too smart. At least I hope to God they are. I'm just wondering how much stranger this could get. I would really like to know who Dominick Casey was speaking to on the phone while searching for the body and who told him to look there. It had to come from Casey, IMO, it just had to. Maybe not directly, but could have been in "code" to Lee or she told him outright? I would love to know.


I have a dumb question.

can Casey not waive her right to a trial by jury in FL? what do you think would happen if she did?

Short of allocuting and pleading guilty to keep from getting the DP, which is not on the table as of right now, are those her only options?

[shelbar53]

I sure don't find it strange, his character has been under attack by baez and his shill, geraldo rivera who called him a rapist on FOX Live Weekend, prompting the anchor to make a correction.

Nope, I don't blame him one bit for appearing and straightening out the sly insinuations made.

I do not think his interview will hurt the prosecution at all, I disagree with the attorney here. The fact is he did find those remains.

Geraldo the shill, Oh I like that, that is geraldo and baez to a T.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Local6 Video 5PM 3:07

Man Who Found Caylee Remains To Appear On 'GMA'
(RK's work history later - tourist spot)
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18464861/index.html

[spiritwolf46]

Good morning all my wonderful posting peeps!

Has Kronk done a PC yet? If not, does anyone know when it will be?

TIA!

[RockStarGirl]

I sure don't find it strange, his character has been under attack by baez and his shill, geraldo rivera who called him a rapist on FOX Live Weekend, prompting the anchor to make a correction.

Nope, I don't blame him one bit for appearing and straightening out the sly insinuations made.

I do not think his interview will hurt the prosecution at all, I disagree with the attorney here. The fact is he did find those remains.

If it were me, I would like to say that I would wait until after the trial and then I would try to pick a reputable news network that I felt would give the case and myself some dignity, however, if I'm not doing well financially and it would help my family and they are offering big bucks. I may do it, especially if someone justifies it for me, such as, "Caylee deserves her story be told". I don't know, I know that sounds corny, but if I just found the dead body of a 2 yr. old that was most likely killed by her mother, I may not be thinking all that clearly either.

[Daffodil]

Don't you find it a little strange that what could be a key witness is now making the media circuit?

I don't find it all that strange. This is the biggest case of the century so far. He is being attacked by people spreading rumors about him. I would fight for my good name. I think he did it respectfully. And I think if I was having a hard time financially, I would also consider being paid for an interview especially if it gave me the chance to clear my name.

[destiny1]

what ever happend to dennis from kidfinders? is he still visiting with the A's?

I would be upset if it came out that the A's knew caylee was dead but still carried on about looking for a live caylee and having everyone follow up on sightings. even as late as december they were still saying there are live sightings of caylee. To me, that is a crime.

Unfortunately, Not a crime to perpetrate such a ruse on the public, but certainly loathsome liars with no morals, but that is just my opinion of that action on their part. I could empathize and sympathizde with them until the willful deceit started to become painfully obvious.

[desmom]

I disagree somewhat. According to LE he was credible so why did he need protection? He wasn't being threatened with slander or anything. I would be willing to bet the attorney found him and he didn't find the attorney.
There are always going to be personal attacks in a situation like this and absolutely no one other than dear Caylee is going to be free from suspicion and criticism. It just goes with the territory.

IIRC, his employer hired the attorney. jmo

[RockStarGirl]

I have a dumb question.

can Casey not waive her right to a trial by jury in FL? what do you think would happen if she did?

Short of allocuting and pleading guilty to keep from getting the DP, which is not on the table as of right now, are those her only options?

Not a dumb question, but I don't know the answer. I am thinking that the charge is what would dictate the options regarding jury trial, etc. However, I could be completely wrong here. Maybe Katprint is available and can answer.

BTW, what would we do without her? Her posts are so valuable. Thanks Katprint!!

[CANDYKISSES]

what ever happend to dennis from kidfinders? is he still visiting with the A's?

I would be upset if it came out that the A's knew caylee was dead but still carried on about looking for a live caylee and having everyone follow up on sightings. even as late as december they were still saying there are live sightings of caylee. To me, that is a crime.

PERPETRATING A HOAX on the PUBLIC and putting other children at risk IMO Shel. That is not going to change from my perspective. It's next on my list after the untimely death of Caylee Marie Anthony. Those people who KNEW should be barred from doing anything involving children period. JMO

:cursing:

[Mandymax]

Also , I always thought that one of the As wanted to bring Caylee back home. maybe enough was enough and he/she was tired of the whole circus. jmo


But see, then why wouldn't one of the Anthony's have managed to "stumble across" the body themselves? If they truly had some involvement in putting her there, and they potentially feared there was trace evidence that would place them at the site, why not then "accidentally" go there, find the body, and then be able to explain away any DNA or other evidence found there by pointing out that it was left there at the time of discovery?

It's like the JonBenet Ramsey case, when the father covered JonBenet's body with a blanket and then potentially caused cross-contamination (I'm giving this example from memory, and it's been awhile, but I think I got the general gist of it) that may have muddled accurate processing of what was on JonBenet's clothes.

I think too many people are reading too much into too many things here and giving too much credit for plotting, planning, and scheming where credit isn't due. The idea that this specific meter reader was chosen to be part of some elaborate conspiracy because of this, this, and this in his background, to find Caylee's body at such-and-such a time for such-and-such purposes is kind of out there. It doesn't make any sense at all. Same with George and Cindy doing and saying all sorts of things at all sorts of times for all sorts of "reason" - these theories assume that the people involved are crafty enough to come up with such a detailed scam that covers all the bases the theories include. That's quite a bit of ground to plan for. Rarely are people that intelligent with that kind of foresight when suddenly confronted with a huge, totally unexpected tragedy such as this, especially one involving their own child and grandchild.

Do I believe they knew Caylee was dead and Casey was responsible? I think they knew in their guts that this was the case. Do I believe they were part of a cover-up? I don't know. I think any covering-up they may have been involved in was a knee-jerk case-by-case reaction, not the product of a family sit-down involving "I'll handle this, and you take care of that, and if this happens, this is what we'll do next . . . " People mock Casey's claim that she had been given a script, yet the theory that her family came up with one of their own is somehow seen as plausible. I don't get it, but that's just me.

As always, my own opinion.

[MichelleP]

HE, Roy Krunk, is the one who is making this a circus?:confused:
I disagree. I think he seems to be attempting to protect his own reputation.
And the pic was flashed on the screen for about .5 seconds of a snake.

I think it has been a circus from the time it started. I think the Anthony's were the ones who turned it into a circus with the Caylee is alive story and all the supposed Caylee sightings.

Here is a question about the picture of a snake. Was this picture taken on the same day as he finds Caylee's remains in the same area? And if it was why would a meter reader bring a camera to work with them? Is taking pictures part of their job?

My opinion only

[Daffodil]

what ever happend to dennis from kidfinders? is he still visiting with the A's?

I would be upset if it came out that the A's knew caylee was dead but still carried on about looking for a live caylee and having everyone follow up on sightings. even as late as december they were still saying there are live sightings of caylee. To me, that is a crime.

Of course they knew Caylee was dead. They couldn't even fake looking for Caylee. They couldn't even fake making pleas to the kidnapper. They couldn't even fake sending a message to Caylee. With all the lying they do, something held them back from faking concern for her. Maybe it was never there to begin with.