Tuesday January 13/09 - Morning Part 1

[Dunlurken]

Hi Dun, I just assumed that Caylee was in the bag and that the animals got into the bag and scattered her bones no?

You could be right. My point is this. Prosecution has a lot of things to "prove". We can speculate all we want to here on this board. But facts, hard facts and forensics will prove or disprove this case. With a bunch going around stirring up "real" evidence, it could create reasonable doubt in one or two jurors minds. I don't want that, but it's a possibility.

Let us not forget, at this point, Casey is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. JMO.

CE will come into play big time, but people keep forgetting that.

[Motomom]

That's a great point. I wonder if that was a deliberate move. The first thing people wonder is why someone has a lawyer next to them. Something tells me Mr. Kronk has very smart legal counsel.

Smarter than the rest of them, that's for sure.

[Neffy]

joolz, You're convinced the body-find begs no questions.

3 calls to caylee tip line in August.
4th call in December when body is found.

That needs to be explained by the prosecution or they will lose this case no matter what one person thinks. Try to understand there will be 12 on the jury and they won't all think like you.

At least one juror will want to know why he thought that particular dead baby's body was in that particular bag. 4 months before anybody knew.

I believe LE will step up to the plate and own up to the officer that in my opinion PLAIN WASN'T DOING HIS JOB.

5000+ TIPS 100's of LE FBI working this and some idiot who went to the scene either got mixed messages or wasn't doing his job.
I imagine so many tips they started over lapping and there was definately room for this to happen.

I no way I feel that anyone with sense would see this as reasonable doubt.

I will concede to an idiot juror that wants to know exact to the minute of every waking moment who took their job of being a juror to the extreme would even ask this.

The stealth juror exists unfortunately and there is nothing anyone can do when one surfaces.

[Motomom]

Yeah, the dude "Scott" that lives a couple of houses away. JMO.

Is there a link to this yet?

[trich]

Interesting. I don't believe Baden was on the list of approved experts to have viewed those pics if that's what happened. Someone will leak out info and I hope the state is there to catch them and nail Baez.

Baden is about as much to be believed as Lee is.
He had conflict of interest in Spector trial and it should
be noted here also if he gets up and testifies.
he should not be able to testify in a trial where his wife is one
of the attorneys representing the defendant in my opinion.
I would not believe anything he said just for that reason alone.

[steffaroob4]

The 11th was Kronks first day on the route according to his interview today and he had another person with him which I am assuming if it is the same as where I live this other person was showing him the route. Now assuming that it all went down the way Kronk says it did while sitting on the side of the road in the shade. Did he not talk to the other person in the car? I am sure he must have and that person must have seen what he saw because on the call back on the 12th when Kronk is describing it he says "we" found the dead 4ft snake and didn't want to go any further. So this other person has stayed out of the limelight, has le gotten a statement to back up what Kronk saw? These are just some of my questions that I have about him.

having another person with him on August 11th would also explain the reason they finished the route early and were looking for a shady spot to rest/catch up on paper work. I think there was someone with him and he and LE are keeping that under wraps.

[desmom]

I think he's probably credible but I think this story will put doubt in at least one juror's mind and they'll lose the case if they don't clear up the coincidences of it for the jurors. It has all the earmarks of losing the case for them unless they get it explained. besides he's credible. period. that won't work. god intervened won't work. the jurors need evidence, explanation.

Wouldn't doubt in only one juror result in a hung jury and the case could be tried again?

[funkyflower]

Happygert, post#891

I agree. I just wonder if it'll get so muddy with all these tapes, people with pics and of course, the fancy experts.

I know that common sense and all this evidence you stated in your post says to ME at least, conviction.

[Tracian]

wow, did she ever let Cindy have it!!! Good. I missed that one somehow. Way back then, 1 week after Casey is in jail it is plain for me to see that Cindy does not want to answer ANY questions pertaining to Casey's behavior.


OUCH! Well, again, the story changes and Cindy is trying to control....

ITA with the reporters final comment.

*something curious*

Did you hear Cindy say the last time Casey had Caylee was the 14th of June? I find it interesting since I thought by then Cindy realized that Caylee was with her visiting the GGF on the 15th.

[?noanswer]

I think he's probably credible but I think this story will put doubt in at least one juror's mind and they'll lose the case if they don't clear up the coincidences of it for the jurors. It has all the earmarks of losing the case for them unless they get it explained. besides he's credible. period. that won't work. god intervened won't work. the jurors need evidence, explanation.

He found the body. Why would a juror not vote to convict? There is way too much other evidence for jurors to get hung up on this. JMO

[Duckaroo]

I was wondering..I can't remember but, the time Casey had told someone(Lee maybe?)that she'd spoken to Caylee on the phone, from what is know of the time line now..can it now be proven that the (bogus)call would have came after the time they believe Caylee to have already been dead?

[Roux]

I think the prosecution will let her know who is in charge rather quickly.

Wouldn't it be a hoot if she was on the stand and said to the prosecutor "Am I intimidating you?"

[Dunlurken]

It seems unlikely that Baez suddenly got better. Keep in mind that he is being helped now by some very experienced criminal defense attorneys (for example, Linda Kenney Baden) who came to Florida to rescue him.

In the unlikely event that Casey walks on the First Degree Murder, I would expect to see an "OJ Part Two" style prosecution to the fullest extent possible on the identity theft/fraud/forgery charges. There is a certain poetic justice to her spending the rest of her most fertile years - age 25 to age 35 - locked up somewhere so she can't randomly conceive another child.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
You are exactly right. LKB, Henry Lee, the best of the best. JMO.

[Motomom]

joolz, You're convinced the body-find begs no questions.

3 calls to caylee tip line in August.
4th call in December when body is found.

That needs to be explained by the prosecution or they will lose this case no matter what one person thinks. Try to understand there will be 12 on the jury and they won't all think like you.

At least one juror will want to know why he thought that particular dead baby's body was in that particular bag. 4 months before anybody knew.


Adalena, they are not going to lose this case because Roy Kronk found the body. So far, he's the most innocent one in this case IMO. We dont' know what the police have, but rest assure it is way more than what we have. RK found her body, somebody was bound to find her body and IMO nothing else should have been released, including his back ground information. JMO though.

[WillowInFlight]

Wouldn't it be a hoot if she was on the stand and said to the prosecutor "Am I intimidating you?"

:lol::lol::lol:

[AJandTam]

I know Tam, crazy.....and if Conway actually thinks LE "needs" them to turn over phone records, rather then getting a warrant or subpoena and getting them from the phone companies, he's out of his league in this case, imo.

That is exactly what I thought too Reggie. I kept thinking. This is suppose to be a lawyers statement but it sounded so Cindy. So I am thinking, turn the records over to whom.. Surely we are not thinking we can dictate to the LE..

[Katprint]

Gosh - all this time I thought there was such a thing! LOL! What a goof! I just googled it and found instances at the appellate level. That must be where I got it but mistakenly thought it was used at the trial level too. Glad I asked you. Thanks!!
It just occurred to me that I may have heard about judge panels like that for military tribunals as well as the terrorism tribunals at Guantanamo, but I really don't practice military law so I just don't know much about that.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[WillowInFlight]

You are exactly right. LKB, Henry Lee, the best of the best. JMO.

:laugh: I'm not sure I would call Henry Lee the best of the best.

[Dogmatic]

Mr Kronk finding the mortal remains of Caylee hurts the defense in one way because they can no longer hold up the pictures of little girls playing in the mall and say that Caylee is still alive.

It helps them somewhat because they can use Mr Kronk's three calls and ultimate find as a deflection and hope one person on the jury see's reasonable doubt with that smoke in their eyes.

I have faith that the prosecution understands that they cannot just let Mr Kronk and his situation leading up to the find go without giving a thorough and comprehensive explanation. I think they will do that.

[court~critic1®]

Wouldn't doubt in only one juror result in a hung jury and the case could be tried again?


Yes,. A hung jury does not mean she will walk, like some on here want to believe. Just a do over.

[Balesha]

NO WAY will they lose this case..
1) smell in car.
2) hair in trunk
3) evidence from A's house
4) evidence from crime scene
5) 31 days not reporting her missing
6) Lie's about the nanny.
7) computer searches
8) where the body was located
9) duct tape on mouth
10) LIES to LE too many to list
11) evidence from maggots
12) evidence from bug at scene
13) evidence from roots and plants
14) chloroform in trunk
15) cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard.
so much more and a LOT MORE that we don't know yet..

ITS not the PROS who have to get there STORIES STRAIGHT IT"S the A'S and the DEFENSE none of the PROS HAVE LIED IN THIS CASE ITS the other side who have done nothing but LIE and ASK FOR IMMUNITY!


This case is actually a no-brainer to me. Casey is gonna get no less than LWOP. The Defense can come up with a million more red herrings and the jury is not gonna care one iota.

[Motomom]

Please... please get your facts straight.

Roy Kronk's attorney was with him off camera.

Not gonna happen LS..

I'm glad we didn't see the lawyer on Camera.. I'm glad RK went to that interview, I'm glad and I HOPE that he got paid for that snake picture..wouldn't that be funny..all he had to do was sell a snake picture to get what should have been reward money.

[joolz]

Yeah, the dude "Scott" that lives a couple of houses away. JMO.

Do you have a link for this? Padilla is the only one I've heard say it.

[Dunlurken]

Yes,. A hung jury does not mean she will walk, like some on here want to believe. Just a do over.

And who wants that? Means she gets too stay in jail instead of going to prison. JMO.

[Roux]

Hi back.

Yep, this was another splendid example of how badly this family wants to pretend they were all up on Walton Mountain engaged in a group hug the evening of June 15th.

'night Jim Bob. 'night Mary Ellen. (Sorry I couldn't resist. We used to say that all the time in our family.)

[spiritwolf46]

wow, did she ever let Cindy have it!!! Good. I missed that one somehow. Way back then, 1 week after Casey is in jail it is plain for me to see that Cindy does not want to answer ANY questions pertaining to Casey's behavior.


Exactly and from that and other interviews, it is certain and fact that if it did not go Cindy's way, it did not go at all or she hangs up! I LOVED Megyn on that one! She said, at the very end, what we have been saying all along and that is THAT family is not nor have they ever helped Caylee!

[desmom]

I was wondering..I can't remember but, the time Casey had told someone(Lee maybe?)that she'd spoken to Caylee on the phone, from what is know of the time line now..can it now be proven that the (bogus)call would have came after the time they believe Caylee to have already been dead?

IIRC, Casey told LE and her family she talked to Caylee on the phone. She said Caylee talked about her shoes and her book. jmo

[Peter]

NO WAY will they lose this case..
1) smell in car.
2) hair in trunk
3) evidence from A's house
4) evidence from crime scene
5) 31 days not reporting her missing
6) Lie's about the nanny.
7) computer searches
8) where the body was located
9) duct tape on mouth
10) LIES to LE too many to list
11) evidence from maggots
12) evidence from bug at scene
13) evidence from roots and plants
14) chloroform in trunk
15) cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard.
so much more and a LOT MORE that we don't know yet..

ITS not the PROS who have to get there STORIES STRAIGHT IT"S the A'S and the DEFENSE none of the PROS HAVE LIED IN THIS CASE ITS the other side who have done nothing but LIE and ASK FOR IMMUNITY!


Lets add motive even though its not necessary for a conviction:
1) AL did not want girls, he wanted boys
2) To spite cindy and get even for the fight
3) To party and pole dance.

I would think it would take more than that to end a baby's life, But anyone add to this please.

[?noanswer]

I have a question re the defense team being paid. I saw two of them interviewed on TV, and they said they had to sign an agreement agreeing to not reveal how they are being paid. I have seen Pro attys. question defense witnesses on how much they are being paid. Can they also ask WHO is paying them? JMO

[Motomom]

All twelve jurors won't and shouldn't think the way I do. But I don't believe that will stop them from convicting Casey. And that is what the trial is going to be about. Not who found the body or how or why or what anyone covered up after the murder.

I don't happen to believe there is anything suspicious about Kronk (as I'm sure you know), but that doesn't matter. It's a murder trial that is about one thing and one thing only: Casey Anthony is accused of killing Caylee Anthony.

Yeah, I agree joolz. It doesn't matter who found the body..thankfully RK did.. in the end, that is such a small matter IMO.. The evidence points to Casey plain and simple.. The evidence, from what it sounds like also points to her body being in that same location since june.

[5boxersmom]

If Cindy had a point with that statement, other than to deflect attention away from her daughter's behavior, it was to say that a person in another state (NC) called her because they hadn't heard about the case until they saw Caylee's picture on TV.

I don't know that I believe there was any such call, because it makes no sense that a stranger would have Cindy's number and call her after seeing Caylee's face on TV, just to say she saw her face on TV.

I do believe there might have been a call -- from one of the A's relatives in NC.

I believe absolutely nothing that comes out of Cindy's mouth.

ITA. Cindy was demanding that Caylee's picture be out there and be everywhere. Does she realize how lucky she was? As someone pointed out earlier how many missing children are never even showed once on TV.

[ishkabibble]

If Cindy had a point with that statement, other than to deflect attention away from her daughter's behavior, it was to say that a person in another state (NC) called her because they hadn't heard about the case until they saw Caylee's picture on TV.

I don't know that I believe there was any such call, because it makes no sense that a stranger would have Cindy's number and call her after seeing Caylee's face on TV, just to say she saw her face on TV.

I do believe there might have been a call -- from one of the A's relatives in NC.

I believe absolutely nothing that comes out of Cindy's mouth.


or it might have been the beginning of the Wanda Weary saga.

[Dunlurken]

Henry Lee is not a criminal defense attorney. He is not any kind of attorney.

And he definitely is not the 'best of the best' in his field.

Although Henry Lee may have very well been good at what he does some time ago, as of now he just may be one of the worst of the worst.

He's a forensic scientist. I think we all know that. He also gives his "compenstation" to a charity in Connecticut. You know that, and I know that. No one said he was a "lawyer". JMO.

[?noanswer]

I have not seen the three judge panel at the trial level. On appeal, there are complicated procedures where sometimes a panel of appellate judges of a particular jurisdiction hears a matter rather than the entire appellate court, and sometimes then there is a petition for rehearing "en banc" i.e. by the entire appellate court. Really complicated boring stuff and not particularly relevant to the Casey Anthony case, at least not yet.

Katprint
Who has not yet "seen it all"
Always only my own opinions


Re your signature "One who has not yet seen it all".

I think after this case is over, you may have to change it!!!!! JMO

[desmom]

Yes,. A hung jury does not mean she will walk, like some on here want to believe. Just a do over.

Thank you Court~Critic1.

[Mamie]

Kronk actually said today he touched the BAG !

Yes, he said something about pulling the bag up.

[joolz]

:laugh: I'm not sure I would call Henry Lee the best of the best.

I'm sure, Willow: Lee is NOT the best of the best unless we are counting using post-its or ketchup in creative ways. :laugh:

[happygert]

ITA, Casey will never walk free again. IMO

NOPE and some have blinders on if they think the pros will NOT prove this case.. If they are betting on Kronk being a big part of why casey will walk....not going to happen.. Im sure there's a few hoping but it's only a dream coming from the dream team....JMHO FINDING the body was a NIGHTMARE for casey. A DREAM COME TRUE for THE PROS!.. bet she's hoping now she didnt waive her right to a speedy trial.....

[Neffy]

He's a forensic scientist. I think we all know that. He also gives his "compenstation" to a charity in Connecticut. You know that, and I know that. No one said he was a "lawyer". JMO.

I"ll go out on a limb and say his W2's and portolio say something different :)

[nana6]

Yes,. A hung jury does not mean she will walk, like some on here want to believe. Just a do over.

Call me naive but I think there will be a conviction the first time around-no problem. If we look at the long list of evidence that we know so far, excluding what we do not know, I really think there will be a conviction. Happygert made a list upthread that listed a good amount. It sure looks to me as though Casey will not see the light of day.l do have faith in our system and in good people who get on juries and try very hard to do the right thing.

[happy2bme]

Hi back.

Yep, this was another splendid example of how badly this family wants to pretend they were all up on Walton Mountain engaged in a group hug the evening of June 15th.


Okay this one made me laugh. Shame on you.:biggrin:

[~jomomma~]

sorry if this has been talked about today already but i've tried to keep up and just skim over the pages.

anybody hear Dr. Baden last night? where does he get this info that the skeleton was still together...in the bag?

he made it sound like it was not scattered.

ETA: i mean, compared to everything we've heard so far, it was scattered?

[ishkabibble]

I"ll go out on a limb and say his W2's and portolio say something different :)

If he does it's a nice tax write off. Probably does him more good donated than it does as income.

[desmom]

If you look at the bag that contains the remains, it was partially buried in leaves and muck. The OCSO phote shows that the bag was not lifted. Also why take a photo of a snake when you have a skull laying at your feet? or did he take the photo at another time? No mention from Kronk about the book, which is clear in the picture either?

Questions have to be asked?

Also, for us conspiracy theorists:laugh:

Take a look at this connection(daisy Chain)

Casey > Baez > Todd Black > Kid Finders > Dom Casey and Hoover > Kronk

This one will drive the forum crazy!!!....No opinion here and it is o/t

I missed the OSCO photo of the bag that held Caylee's remains. When was it posted?

How far was the book from the remains?

TIA

[happy2bme]

Oh I thought it was a sighting. This always seemed to happen before an interview. Someone calls them right before the interview. Not 5 hours before or the day before. It was always right before the interview.

jmo

This started in the very beginning.

[?noanswer]

Moto -- if you didn't see the bond hearing, then you haven't seen Linda Drane Burdick in action. I doubt very seriously she'll let Cindy ramble on the stand during the trial. I doubt for a second she'll let Cindy attempt to control the direction of the questioning. Or anything else. Cindy's met her match and then some in Linda B-D, imo.

So has KC. The Judge made her come to court the other day. Bet that is the first time anyone has been able to make her do anything. JMO

[funkyflower]

Hi back.

Yep, this was another splendid example of how badly this family wants to pretend they were all up on Walton Mountain engaged in a group hug the evening of June 15th.

I dunno, I keep seeing pictures of Casey drinking Papa's recipe...:tongue:

ITA, these older interviews are strange as to how much denial seemed to be happening in the family waaay early on.

[Peter]

I'm sure, Willow: Lee is NOT the best of the best unless we are counting using post-its or ketchup in creative ways. :laugh:


And dont forget loosing evidence..and thats when his english gets worse..lol

[court~critic1®]

And who wants that? Means she gets too stay in jail instead of going to prison. JMO.


I for one sure don't. Can you imagine what this board would be like for the next couple of years if it did happen. :ohmy:

[nana6]

Exactly and from that and other interviews, it is certain and fact that if it did not go Cindy's way, it did not go at all or she hangs up! I LOVED Megyn on that one! She said, at the very end, what we have been saying all along and that is THAT family is not nor have they ever helped Caylee!

right. She had her pegged correctly didn't she? Can you even imagine the frustration of an inteview with Cindy?

[Motomom]

Moto -- if you didn't see the bond hearing, then you haven't seen Linda Drane Burdick in action. I doubt very seriously she'll let Cindy ramble on the stand during the trial. I doubt for a second she'll let Cindy attempt to control the direction of the questioning. Or anything else. Cindy's met her match and then some in Linda B-D, imo.

I've seen some of it I think, I know I saw snippets where Cindy was on the stand and all that.. but I never watched it in full..which I will do when I feel like going and looking for the link and listening to it all..I just listened to the old interviews last night and need a break from their voices I think LOL

[*MoonRider*]

OUCH! Well, again, the story changes and Cindy is trying to control....

ITA with the reporters final comment.

*something curious*

Did you hear Cindy say the last time Casey had Caylee was the 14th of June? I find it interesting since I thought by then Cindy realized that Caylee was with her visiting the GGF on the 15th.

Ever since poor Caylee was first reported missing their have been so many mistruths, misspoken words, misconstrued words, misquotes, misunderstandings, miscommunications all because of Caylee's misfortune. In other words too many lies. For Caylee.:rose:

[Dunlurken]

I"ll go out on a limb and say his W2's and portolio say something different :)

I have to stay on topic.

[happygert]

I had never seen this video before either...I loved the way the newscaster ripped into Cindy.....Cindy was sounding just like Casey, avoiding every normal question that would have been asked.....

This video certainly leads me to believe that Cindy knew just what happened to Caylee....it's all about saving Casey and has been since almost day one.....

Yes she did... and no way did I believe cindy when she said her and casey hadn't talked about Caylee...yeah right....

[happy2bme]

OUCH! Well, again, the story changes and Cindy is trying to control....

ITA with the reporters final comment.

*something curious*

Did you hear Cindy say the last time Casey had Caylee was the 14th of June? I find it interesting since I thought by then Cindy realized that Caylee was with her visiting the GGF on the 15th.

Cindy has known all along what day an alive Caylee was seen.moo

[WillowInFlight]

Adalena935 You are so right, I was glued to the chair for that trial, Lets just hope this doesn't happen with Casey.

[Roux]

Henry Lee is not a criminal defense attorney. He is not any kind of attorney.

And he definitely is not the 'best of the best' in his field.

Although Henry Lee may have very well been good at what he does some time ago, as of now he just may be one of the worst of the worst.

It continues to baffle me how the media can give him credibility by having him on. There have been so many things to discredit him, yet they continue to put him on a pedestal. I wish someone would expose him for the charlatan he has become.

[Regina.Lampert]

Moto -- if you didn't see the bond hearing, then you haven't seen Linda Drane Burdick in action. I doubt very seriously she'll let Cindy ramble on the stand during the trial. I doubt for a second she'll let Cindy attempt to control the direction of the questioning. Or anything else. Cindy's met her match and then some in Linda B-D, imo.

Oh, yes she did, said regina with her hand on her hip......................................SNAP

SNAP.............................................. ...........................................

------------------------------------------------------------SNAP!!


:thumbsup:

[happygert]

Midway down a slippery slope?

“A concern of mine would be the sick individuals out there that might think it would be nice to dig up this child’s grave and profit somehow from it,” said the Anthony family attorney Brad Conway

Caylee may be cremated (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=F07775DC9358067A6AFEC5E55EED0F22 ?contentId=8238040&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

With his words taken from the above link... I believe he done slid all the way down said slippery slope.

and then some......

[kate482000]

If Cindy had a point with that statement, other than to deflect attention away from her daughter's behavior, it was to say that a person in another state (NC) called her because they hadn't heard about the case until they saw Caylee's picture on TV.

I don't know that I believe there was any such call, because it makes no sense that a stranger would have Cindy's number and call her after seeing Caylee's face on TV, just to say she saw her face on TV.

I do believe there might have been a call -- from one of the A's relatives in NC.

I believe absolutely nothing that comes out of Cindy's mouth.


My exact thoughts.....a total stranger gets cindys number and calls her just out of the blue....c'mon...

[Lavenia]

If you look at the bag that contains the remains, it was partially buried in leaves and muck. The OCSO phote shows that the bag was not lifted. Also why take a photo of a snake when you have a skull laying at your feet? or did he take the photo at another time? No mention from Kronk about the book, which is clear in the picture either?

Questions have to be asked?

Also, for us conspiracy theorists:laugh:

Take a look at this connection(daisy Chain)

Casey > Baez > Todd Black > Kid Finders > Dom Casey and Hoover > Kronk

This one will drive the forum crazy!!!....No opinion here and it is o/t

I follow the chain until you get to Hoover>Kronk. I haven't seen anything yet that shows a connection. Did I miss something?

[joolz]

And dont forget loosing evidence..and thats when his english gets worse..lol

:laugh: That's cause he's under stress, don't you know?

[Lavenia]

Oh, yes she did, said regina with her hand on her hip......................................SNAP

SNAP.............................................. ...........................................

------------------------------------------------------------SNAP!!


:thumbsup:

:laugh: Love the visual!

[joolz]

I follow the chain until you get to Hoover>Kronk. I haven't seen anything yet that shows a connection. Did I miss something?


I was just about to post the same thing. What connection, the imaginary one?

[trich]

Adalena, they are not going to lose this case because Roy Kronk found the body. So far, he's the most innocent one in this case IMO. We dont' know what the police have, but rest assure it is way more than what we have. RK found her body, somebody was bound to find her body and IMO nothing else should have been released, including his back ground information. JMO though.

Again I agree...
I think they had almost no forensic evidence in Scott Petersons trial and look where he is and it was Ca.
I expect the citizens of Florida to have good sense.
Also just think of all the forensic evidence we have been told about no less what we haven't been priviledge to know....
I think the pros are going to nail Casey to the wall with evidence .
You can't escape that Caylee was in the trunk of Casey's car and also now that the hair they found in trunk matches the hair on the skull.
Personally I would convict just on the knowledge that Casey did not tell anyone that Caylee was missing for 31 days no less call 911.
If Baez can't testify in her behalf I don't know how the defense is going to suggest that there was a nanny/kidnapper without Casey being on the stand.
Certainly can't call any witness to verify there was a nanny.
Can't call anyone that saw Caylee during those 31 days.

[Neffy]

Yes she did... and no way did I believe cindy when she said her and casey hadn't talked about Caylee...yeah right....

I can believe either way. Cindy didn't think anything was to be said at all. Cindy was working it her way. Post pictures and leave tips. I could see Casey reiterating her Universal interrogation. I left her at the bottom of those stairs. Find her.

[Pat]

Baden is about as much to be believed as Lee is.
He had conflict of interest in Spector trial and it should
be noted here also if he gets up and testifies.
he should not be able to testify in a trial where his wife is one
of the attorneys representing the defendant in my opinion.
I would not believe anything he said just for that reason alone.

Board is moving so fast (and I'm so behind :biggrin: ) did I read Baden said Kronk scattered the bones?

I don't know about the Orlando area where Caylee was found, but in my area of FL, which is NW, if she'd been dumped behind my house and Fay had blown through several times, it would have been a miracle she was ever found at all. From what I've read of the area, wouldn't it be a natural habitat for raccoons, possums, squirrels? No plastic garbage bag would have remained uncompromised for two weeks, much less 5 or 6 months. My neighbors can't even keep the raccoons out of a garbage can with a tightly fitted lid, much less a plastic bag!

I will spare everyone from my opinion of the Badens...and Henry Lee as well. When I heard two of them had been hired by the defense, I got a pretty good idea about they intend to play this case to a jury. Dr. Baden's "a-ha! moment" in the Spector trial is one I'll NEVER forget.

[BrownEyedF]

I'm afraid of that too. Baez is turning out to be a better attorney then I ever gave him credit for. Or else prosecution is a bunch of bafoons who might just allow Casey to walk. JMO.


I don't think Baez is a good lawyer at all. Everyone at the courthouse is schooling him on what he should be doing. One can only hope that LKB will give him a real game plan. This isn't a DUI like he is used to handling. There are more motions, etc, and he is obviously not familiar with the discovery process except in very limited experience.

I think the prosecution is doing just fine. IMO there is a lot of evidence we haven't seen yet.

[CANDYKISSES]

Midway down a slippery slope?

“A concern of mine would be the sick individuals out there that might think it would be nice to dig up this child’s grave and profit somehow from it,” said the Anthony family attorney Brad Conway

Caylee may be cremated (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=F07775DC9358067A6AFEC5E55EED0F22 ?contentId=8238040&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

With his words taken from the above link... I believe he done slid all the way down said slippery slope.

I see Cindy in a pinafore skipping along and carrying a teapot on this one. Lord, is everyone connected to this case lacking a connection other places?

JMO. :w00t:That is one frightening scene I don't hold much stock in myself, but maybe I am underestimating the media now.

[WillowInFlight]

I'd be frustrated for about a split second, then I'd move right into anger, and then I'd lower myself to her level. Wouldn't be pretty. :mad:
I wonder how many times the judge will have to admonish her. I think it's going to be one of the highlights of the trial.

[happygert]

This case is actually a no-brainer to me. Casey is gonna get no less than LWOP. The Defense can come up with a million more red herrings and the jury is not gonna care one iota.

ITA!! Nope they're not .

[spiritwolf46]

right. She had her pegged correctly didn't she? Can you even imagine the frustration of an inteview with Cindy?


I could not EVEN imagine that interview! I would be 100 percent WORSE than Megyn ever thought about being! LOL

I am just happy that she got in what MOST of us have wanted to say to Cindy Anthony! LOVED IT!

[Lavenia]

:laugh: I'm not sure I would call Henry Lee the best of the best.

I might call him the best of the best, but it probably wouldn't mean what Dunnie's talking about. :wink:

[happygert]

I don't think Baez is a good lawyer at all. Everyone at the courthouse is schooling him on what he should be doing. One can only hope that LKB will give him a real game plan. This isn't a DUI like he is used to handling. There are more motions, etc, and he is obviously not familiar with the discovery process except in very limited experience.

I think the prosecution is doing just fine. IMO there is a lot of evidence we haven't seen yet.

Did you see LKB in the PS trial?

[kitty1182]

Wait I'll get you a link

I wanna see too..:seeya:

[happy2bme]

I'd be frustrated for about a split second, then I'd move right into anger, and then I'd lower myself to her level. Wouldn't be pretty. :mad:

I am glad you stepped up with that because sadly I would do the same. :blushing:

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder how many times the judge will have to admonish her. I think it's going to be one of the highlights of the trial.

Oh for goodness sakes, another CAMEO????:blushing:

[?noanswer]

Board is moving so fast (and I'm so behind :biggrin: ) did I read Baden said Kronk scattered the bones?

I don't know about the Orlando area where Caylee was found, but in my area of FL, which is NW, if she'd been dumped behind my house and Fay had blown through several times, it would have been a miracle she was ever found at all. From what I've read of the area, wouldn't it be a natural habitat for raccoons, possums, squirrels? No plastic garbage bag would have remained uncompromised for two weeks, much less 5 or 6 months. My neighbors can't even keep the raccoons out of a garbage can with a tightly fitted lid, much less a plastic bag!

I will spare everyone from my opinion of the Badens...and Henry Lee as well. When I heard two of them had been hired by the defense, I got a pretty good idea about they intend to play this case to a jury. Dr. Baden's "a-ha! moment" in the Spector trial is one I'll NEVER forget.

I don't know what you read, but I do not remember Baden saying that. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes. I'm curious as to why the Anthonys feel the need to explain Hoover's video when Dominic Casey & Hoover have attempted to explain it themselves.

More lies on the way.

Cindy will fix it up and make it more marketable IMO. :unsure:

[happygert]

sorry if this has been talked about today already but i've tried to keep up and just skim over the pages.

anybody hear Dr. Baden last night? where does he get this info that the skeleton was still together...in the bag?

he made it sound like it was not scattered.

ETA: i mean, compared to everything we've heard so far, it was scattered?

Umm I wonder......3 guesses and first 2 don't count..

You do know who is wife is done you?

Linda Kinney Baden....= LKB

[*MoonRider*]

Cindy will fix it up and make it more marketable IMO. :unsure:

I thought Lee was the marketing genius. :D

[happy2bme]

Yes. I'm curious as to why the Anthonys feel the need to explain Hoover's video when Dominic Casey & Hoover have attempted to explain it themselves.

More lies on the way.

Because they don't know when to shut it?

[happygert]

Unfortunately, yes.

Need not say more......

[desmom]

Wait I'll get you a link

I went through the crime scene photos at OS and did not see a bag that contained the remains partially buried in leaves and muck. http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,643750.photogallery

Do you remember what site posted the pics? TIA

jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Thank you Gaelic. I wasn't sure if I was understanding that right or not.. I mean he is their lawyer.. But I don't see why he would bring up phone records if that isn't what he was saying. That statement sounded sooooooooo Cindy to me. I really wonder why Conway keeps running his mouth the last few days..

(sorry, I am a few pages behind - as always, it seems!)

Yes, my interpretation of it was "We will turn over the phone records, and even though one of the Anthony's was on the phone with him, it won't crack the case."

And I also agree with "what case?" Caylee's murder? Or the "case of the mysterious video"? He has been very confusing, IMO.

[Lavenia]

I wonder how many times the judge will have to admonish her. I think it's going to be one of the highlights of the trial.

We could make a good drinking game out of it, but we would probably all end up as a bunch of lushes. :drool:

[AJandTam]

Conway, imo, is midway down a slippery slope into the same rabbit hole most everyone else in this case has fallen into.

I feel bad for the man. I think he's a decent human being. He should take a page from NeJame's book and get out. Now.

It's a thin line being a defense lawyer.. Nejames leaving really spotlighted how bad this was going to get IMHO..

[Nellie]

I had never seen this video before either...I loved the way the newscaster ripped into Cindy.....Cindy was sounding just like Casey, avoiding every normal question that would have been asked.....

This video certainly leads me to believe that Cindy knew just what happened to Caylee....it's all about saving Casey and has been since almost day one.....

Yes, I remember watching this interview when it was LIVE on tv and being shocked at Cindy's rudeness to the reporter. It was things like this that made my red flags fly up all over the place and made me decide early on that they knew what happened to Caylee and were in "cover up mode". To say Casey was trying to tell LE "in her own way" was garbage! I couldn't even believe what I was hearing! If my daughter knew where my g-daughter was, I wouldn't be spitting out garbarge like that! I'd be demanding that she tell us where she is.....not "in her own way", but in plain English that made sense to everyone!!!! Instead of doing that, she started a media blitz to get out Caylee's picture so people could watch out for her and the fake kidnapper. This was all part of the cover up. It started early on. I will always believe she knew she was dead and started the kidnapping media blitz early on....get her picture out, get her picture out, get her picture out...knowing full well no one was REALLY going to spot her.
She doesn't even sound distraught that her g-daughter is kidnapped.

[desmom]

Hey Des, Same here, where is the photo posted and was it the "book"?

Hmmm, I don't know Mr. Lucky. I have checked the crime photos on my news links and can't find it. I guess we will have to wait for MacDaddy to post the link.

I am still on the fence about the book. jmo

[ishkabibble]

Hey Des, Same here, where is the photo posted and was it the "book"?

I guess Dominc Casey missed the book in his search. I've heard different estimates on how far away he was. Lenny Padilla said 12 feet, Hoover and or Casey (per K Belich) say 150 feet.

[funkyflower]

Is this the twilight zone? Beaz a good laywer? the prosecution has a long road ahead of them? Caylee wasn't in a bag? Casey is more credible in a twisted way? Kronk is in on this? Henry Lee is the best of the best? THUD!!!
imo

I don't know what happen. :scared: I am scared of what we might hear next.

MO

[Mamie]

We could make a good drinking game out of it, but we would probably all end up as a bunch of lushes. :drool:

Veneer!:beer:

[~jomomma~]

Umm I wonder......3 guesses and first 2 don't count..

You do know who is wife is done you?

Linda Kinney Baden....= LKB

well, yeah... i know...LOL!!!

but...from everything we've heard, it was scattered, right?

[DeeN]

The snakes would not be in the water.

Plus if he'd warned LE about the snakes as he said he had-then the officer should have pulled on some rain boots-which I'm sure they all have-working in Florida.


If this BAG was buried in snake filled water ,then how did the meter reader spot it from the side of the road. His own testimony today says he went pee only on the DEC 11-2008 discovery of the reamains, if he never went in there before ,HOW did he SEE IT ?

I know all about CASEY's lying and such ,but there is a big ? actually MORE now since his interview. Sorry folks I have to have all the answers and will not rest till they are dissected inside and out.

[Neffy]

I see Cindy in a pinafore skipping along and carrying a teapot on this one. Lord, is everyone connected to this case lacking a connection other places?

JMO. :w00t:That is one frightening scene I don't hold much stock in myself, but maybe I am underestimating the media now.

Seriously is it that house? Seemingly normal people walk in and they never walk out the same.

[ishkabibble]

Has his own company. Middle Finger Marketing. :thumbup:






Just kidding.

Imo, etc. and so forth.

Yeah, how are those jobs Lee, Mallory and George and maybe even Casey were going to get with all of the agencies involved in the search for Caylee coming along. George was all excited about the employment possibilites. Who knew a missing child would bring a plethora of job offers to the Anthony family.

[AJandTam]

(sorry, I am a few pages behind - as always, it seems!)

Yes, my interpretation of it was "We will turn over the phone records, and even though one of the Anthony's was on the phone with him, it won't crack the case."

And I also agree with "what case?" Caylee's murder? Or the "case of the mysterious video"? He has been very confusing, IMO.

No worries. I am behind too. Carrying on only one convo today inbetween doing stuff. The only interesting occurrance today has been the Conway statement.

Yeah what case is right. I don't know but suspect there may be two investigations going. Not just a murder investigation. Time will tell.

[seeing_eye]

sorry if this has been talked about today already but i've tried to keep up and just skim over the pages.

anybody hear Dr. Baden last night? where does he get this info that the skeleton was still together...in the bag?

he made it sound like it was not scattered.

ETA: i mean, compared to everything we've heard so far, it was scattered?

If my memory is correct (which many times it isn't), reports during the many days LE was searching the crime scene said some bones were in a bag, but many bones were widely scattered. I also recall that at the very end of the search they said they found a significant amount of bones on the very edge of the search area.

I almost swallowed my adam's apple last night when I heard Dr. Baden say the skeleton was intact in the bag. I wonder if he ever watches any news on TV? Or reads any news in the papers?

[RockStarGirl]

Wait I'll get you a link

Yes, I also missed this!!