Tuesday January 13/09 - Morning Part 1

[daHawg]

I too wish RK had remained quiet and avoided interviews. However LP's daisy chain accusations linking RK's findings to the alleged suspect probably forced his decision. Apparently he had a choice of waiting until more Sunshine revealed his reporting and/or a trial in the distant future clarified RK's role and/or the attention died down.
jmoThat would hold water if his attorney didn't make this statement from the very first press conference on Dec. 19th. This sounds to me like they were thinking of $$ from that point on.....

From the link.
If and when he decides to make, participate in an interview, he will make that decision known. We will evaluate his options and select an appropriate interview forum.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081219/roy-kronk-speaks-out-caylee-anthony-transcript_2.htm

[Daffodil]

Well, if she invited them into her home, how come the webcam was not set up in the living room, instead of across the street where she had no say so?

Thats an intrusion any which way you want to gleam over it. It is what it is.

Gemma,

I would think the intrusion of the media would be the least of her worries. As you said, most families of missing children try hard to get the media to present their story.

What I don't get, is why are you fighting so hard to make Cindy look good? I state my opinions but I know I could be totally wrong about what I think. I think most people on this board keep going back and forth on different theories. I don't think any one of us really know the whole story.

Do you question anything that Cindy has or has not done?

I really am not trying to attack you. I just would like to see things from your perspective.

[steffaroob4]

or maybe the snake is just part of the picture......

The snake was what 20/20 paid for, the only reason it was in the story was to justify the payment, IMO. I think Mr. Kronk has a fear of snakes, lol.

[summer4meplz]

Why was he in that area so many times? Have you ever worked a job that involves a ROUTE? Meter readers follow a route in order to read every single meter. A lot of other jobs are the same. You follow a given route and there are spots on those routes that you use consistently for things like relieving yourself, stopping for lunch, etc.

Just think. If he had just "gotten over it" the way you say you would, Caylee's body most likely would never have been found.


I think it was a bit more than "good samaritan" considering he used to be a bounty hunter...was he also an ex PI?

[Mandysmom]

I too wish RK had remained quiet and avoided interviews. However LP's daisy chain accusations linking RK's findings to the alleged suspect probably forced his decision. Apparently he had a choice of waiting until more Sunshine revealed his reporting and/or a trial in the distant future clarified RK's role and/or the attention died down.
jmo

You're right. I had gotten to the point that every time LP opened his mouth, I cringed at what he was going to say.

There is no reason on earth for this man's life had to be dissected and he had to become the object of accusations which were not deserved.

No good deed goes unpunished, is right.

:sad:

[Neffy]

I too wish RK had remained quiet and avoided interviews. However LP's daisy chain accusations linking RK's findings to the alleged suspect probably forced his decision. Apparently he had a choice of waiting until more Sunshine revealed his reporting and/or a trial in the distant future clarified RK's role and/or the attention died down.
jmo

ITA.

Watching this circus act go on I can just imagine RK's anxiety getting the best of him feeling that need to clear himself. A person can take so much then enough is enough. He stepped up to the plate, went with his instinct, reported his findings and stood up for himself.

[Nellie]

I've said this before. With his background, why did he not look, call right then and there.
Me, I would have looked. Without a doubt. Would NOT have left that bag alone.
jmo

Would you have walked into snake filled water to go take your look? :unsure:

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if it wasn't MK or another MR who saw Casey's car there around the 18th?

jmo

[Anakerie]

AFAIK, he did not go into the woods in Nov. JMO
That is what I read also. He was WORKING in the general area in November.

[Roux]

Too many... WAY too many.

Poor little Jaliek Rainwalker comes to mind. I don't think his case was every mentioned on national outlets. Haven't checked his thread in a long time.

[Dunlurken]

Dunnie, I agree the Kronk story is fishy just like everything else about this case. He called in the tip 3X's in August. Then the 4th time in December when he found the body.

I want to know how he knew to call the Caylee tip line when he saw a garbage bag. How'd he know she was in it without looking? As opposed to other garbage bags he saw during that time she was missing.

Even Greta said IF it's coincidence it's the most remarkable one anyone could imagine.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/index.html?iref=24hours
I just watched the video of him on GMA. I'm still digesting it. He says he just wanted to put the baby to rest... why wait another three months? I would be screaming and shouting.

Okay, let me digest the video. JMO.

[desmom]

What I don't understand is while this was a huge story in August, and Kronk saw something that he thought was reportable, why not do it right then and there, why wait for hours?

From the crime scene photos, this looked like a favorite spot for fly dumping. He might have thought it was someone's trash. After thinking about the location of the woods in relation to the Anthony's home, he decided should call in what he saw. jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

That would hold water if his attorney didn't make this statement from the very first press conference on Dec. 19th. This sounds to me like they were thinking of $$ from that point on.....

From the link.
If and when he decides to make, participate in an interview, he will make that decision known. We will evaluate his options and select an appropriate interview forum.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081219/roy-kronk-speaks-out-caylee-anthony-transcript_2.htm

Perhaps money was/is a consideration. Initially wasn't the reward eligibility controversy revolving around calling 911 first instead of calling crimeline first?

[Neffy]

You're right. I had gotten to the point that every time LP opened his mouth, I cringed at what he was going to say.

There is no reason on earth for this man's life had to be dissected and he had to become the object of accusations which were not deserved.

No good deed goes unpunished, is right.

:sad:

Padilla has become this cases Hedda Hopper/Cindy Adams. He's over hearing tidbits and throwing his own 2 cents in.

[happygert]

Dont worry all The A's will tell us the whole story about the PI's looking for caylees body.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1309jan13,0,197900.story

"Conway said he and the Anthonys will "come out with the entire story, as well as phone records, later on . . . It's not going to crack the case.""

Hummm shelbar, the entire story? We've all been waiting on the "ENTIRE STORY" since day 31.. Dont think we'll ever get the entire story.. The A's should have told the truth not a "STORY"... Now they have a criminal attorney saying same thing. Why not come out with it now? Why not give up phone records now? Maybe because they haven't got there stories straight yet.. and THEY haven't got the IMMUNITY DEAL YET!! .That would be my opinion..

. Along with baez saying we dont know the "WHOLE STORY".. NO ONE but casey knows the whole story and we will never get it...CA and GA probably know the "story" but i doubt if they know the "Whole Story" as to why casey killed Caylee

[ishkabibble]

Dunnie, I agree the Kronk story is fishy just like everything else about this case. He called in the tip 3X's in August. Then the 4th time in December when he found the body.

I want to know how he knew to call the Caylee tip line when he saw a garbage bag. How'd he know she was in it without looking? As opposed to other garbage bags he saw during that time she was missing.

Even Greta said IF it's coincidence it's the most remarkable one anyone could imagine.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/index.html?iref=24hours

a more remarkable coincidence is Casey pulling from thin air the name Zenaida FG as the Nanny who lived in the vacant apt 210 and then finding out that a ZFG had actually looked at that apt.

[joint-heir]

Now the PIs really have me stumped! What was their reason for being out there??? And I agree with all that the way he was slashing and digging!! If he'd gotten any closer, he sure could have messed up the crime scene for the LE...And where is that abandoned house? Oh how I wish we knew what the LE does about who he was on the phone with. LE makes known to public only what they deem wouldn't hurt the case as evidence and as you've all said, some very important things have been held back!!!

And about Kronk, I'm anxious about the teaser about where else he worked that they gave out for 5 or 6:00 news???
And as others have said if ABC paid for a picture, are they holding back on it for some reason?

[Nellie]

I think it was a bit more than "good samaritan" considering he used to be a bounty hunter...was he also an ex PI?

Ok, I'm thinking this through....out loud...

I used to be a bounty hunter...
There is this big case in my area with a missing/dead child...body out there somewhere....
I get assigned a route that is only houses from the child's home...
Being an ex-bounty hunter, I decide to take a look in the woods by their home... I see something that could be suspicious, but it surrounded by water. I'll call LE and let them handle it. They don't go into the water and check it out, so I give up.....they basically blow me off. It still nags at me and when I'm back there in December I go into the woods to relieve myself and it is now dried out. So, I look around and see the same suspicious bag lying there, so decide to walk over and check it out for myself this time. No snake infested water to walk through to get to it this time and no sense in calling LE unless it turns out to be something.....they'd just blow me off again.
Seems to make sense to me.

[Neffy]

I just watched the video of him on GMA. I'm still digesting it. He says he just wanted to put the baby to rest... why wait another three months? I would be screaming and shouting.

Okay, let me digest the video. JMO.

He reported his tip HIS SUSPICIAN a possible lead not I KNOW WHERE TO FIND HER.

[Anakerie]

But aren't meters read once a month? how many times a month would he be in that exact area?
Yeah, most likely the meters are read once a month. But, not knowing how they have their routes set up, we have no clue how close the overlaps are for the different routes. How many of the routes have "edges" near those woods? I'm probably not explaining it right...

[Mandysmom]

That would hold water if his attorney didn't make this statement from the very first press conference on Dec. 19th. This sounds to me like they were thinking of $$ from that point on.....

From the link.
If and when he decides to make, participate in an interview, he will make that decision known. We will evaluate his options and select an appropriate interview forum.

http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081219/roy-kronk-speaks-out-caylee-anthony-transcript_2.htm
Yes, that bothered me also.

Thanks for the link.

[Dunlurken]

News stories have fluctuated on that too. Some tv news said that was his normal route. Some tv news said that wasn't his normal route anymore; that he went back to investigate on his own because he still was curious about the trash bags he'd seen 3 mos. earlier.

Bags went from white to grey to black also.
He was in the woods to pee, no he wasn't. Just followed up on his own out of curiosity.

I want to know if it was curiosity how he knew to call the Caylee Anthony missing child tip line. Calling that tip line and telling them he'd found something to do with the case indicates he was more than curious as to what was contained in the trash bags. How many trash bags does a person see in a 3 month period of time? Why that one? Why that area? Why the Caylee Marie Anthony tip line?
Actually LE told him to call the tip line. He got frustrated and said something like I want to remain anonymous and not if you find a dead body here.

JMO.

[SavannahStar]

Gemma,

I would think the intrusion of the media would be the least of her worries. As you said, most families of missing children try hard to get the media to present their story.

What I don't get, is why are you fighting so hard to make Cindy look good? I state my opinions but I know I could be totally wrong about what I think. I think most people on this board keep going back and forth on different theories. I don't think any one of us really know the whole story.

Do you question anything that Cindy has or has not done?

I really am not trying to attack you. I just would like to see things from your perspective.

Bolding mine. I'm not Gemma and she can certainly answer your question....but your question took me aback. I don't think she is "fighting so hard" for anything other than to post her opinions, which like mine as far as the Anthonys go, differ greatly from the majority.

Couldn't you turn that around and ask why is the majority of posters on here "fighting so hard" to vilify George and Cindy? It's just the nature of a message board, that's all. And it's even more a fair question, for those posters actually...they are GREATLY in the majority....why sit and post all day about what evil people these are? Maybe they are trying to convince me and Gemma? :sneaky:

I mean when people take the time to actually post this icon --->barf after what they've written about the Anthonys.....well, gee, what can I say. (Other than, why in the world does anyone find that necessary.....IS should get rid of that offensive and very childish icon, IMO!)

[steffaroob4]

I too wish RK had remained quiet and avoided interviews. However LP's daisy chain accusations linking RK's findings to the alleged suspect probably forced his decision. Apparently he had a choice of waiting until more Sunshine revealed his reporting and/or a trial in the distant future clarified RK's role and/or the attention died down.
jmo

I agree, in a perfect world Mr. Kronk should be quiet, but we do not live in that world.

The fact remains that he was able to make some money and he better grab as much as he can right now. He is headed for a whole lot more garbage coming down the road. I believe he needs to have enough money to cushion the blow of what lays ahead. He has already suffered from serious accusations and they will not stop any time soon. He has to be prepared incase he looses his job over this.

You have to admit that it was very funny that his lawyer leaked out yesterday that there was a picture and the specuation started to what he had a picture of. I found his interview very narrow, he did not go into bag color or what he saw that first day. I believe he is very smart and he has coached well. He basicly repeated the story LE gave that first week.

Did you catch the WE part, when he talked about finding a shady spot to rest on August 11th?

When I lived in Florida, there was a great shady spot next to our house that the local police, utility workers, tow truck drivers and others would use to take naps, work on their paper work during the day, it was quite popular.

[daHawg]

Perhaps money was/is a consideration. Initially wasn't the reward eligibility controversy revolving around calling 911 first instead of calling crimeline first?IIRC that came a week after he came forward. Around the 18th.

[destiny1]

Dunnie, I agree the Kronk story is fishy just like everything else about this case. He called in the tip 3X's in August. Then the 4th time in December when he found the body.

I want to know how he knew to call the Caylee tip line when he saw a garbage bag. How'd he know she was in it without looking? As opposed to other garbage bags he saw during that time she was missing.

Even Greta said IF it's coincidence it's the most remarkable one anyone could imagine.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/index.html?iref=24hours

Hi Adalena,

It would seem to me that anyone who was vaguely familiar with that neighborhood would know about Caylee, and there were probably signs all over the place as well.

Has it been established by Kronk that the bags recovered with caylees remains is in fact the same bag that he reported before? I keep hearing conflicting stories regarding the bag(s) all the way down to style and coloring.

[Dunlurken]

Yeah, most likely the meters are read once a month. But, not knowing how they have their routes set up, we have no clue how close the overlaps are for the different routes. How many of the routes have "edges" near those woods? I'm probably not explaining it right...

multiple house, multiple meters to read.

[ruth66]

ITA.

Watching this circus act go on I can just imagine RK's anxiety getting the best of him feeling that need to clear himself. A person can take so much then enough is enough. He stepped up to the plate, went with his instinct, reported his findings and stood up for himself.

After following this case for so long, if I were to have found the body, I am not sure my first call wouldn't have been to 911 and the second to find a lawyer. Anyone who is part of this case has been made a suspect by the A's, that would not have been lost on me. Finding a lawyer may have looked suspicious but having the A's smear my name locally and nationally would be worse.

JMO

[happy2bme]

Hummm shelbar, the entire story? We've all been waiting on the "ENTIRE STORY" since day 31.. Dont think we'll ever get the entire story.. The A's should have told the truth not a "STORY"... Now they have a criminal attorney saying same thing. Why not come out with it now? Why not give up phone records now? Maybe because they haven't got there stories straight yet.. and THEY haven't got the IMMUNITY DEAL YET!! .That would be my opinion..

. Along with baez saying we dont know the "WHOLE STORY".. NO ONE but casey knows the whole story and we will never get it...CA and GA probably know the "story" but i doubt if they know the "Whole Story" as to why casey killed Caylee

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[Dunlurken]

Hi Adalena,

It would seem to me that anyone who was vaguely familiar with that neighborhood would know about Caylee, and there were probably signs all over the place as well.

Has it been established by Kronk that the bags recovered with caylees remains is in fact the same bag that he reported before? I keep hearing conflicting stories regarding the bag(s) all the way down to style and coloring.

IMO, no bag was actually found. Caylee was scattered all over the place. I doubt we have a bag, but I've been wrong before. JMO.

[steffaroob4]

Was trying to catch up reading to comment, but couldn't wait, skipped from pg 9 to 14!
Listened to Kronk interview this morning. Just as we've said here so many times, we could have asked much better questions!! Altho, I'm sure the questions were made in advance to only come out with what they wanted to come across. Along with everyone else's thoughts, these are mine.
Kronk is being very vague and really did not tell us anything that we didn't already know. All he wanted to do was say that he didn't have anyone give him any tips, he did it all on his own.
Well, Mr Kronk, just what was it made you so suspicious? A bag out in some water (that was probably covering it)?? Why was one bag from a distance so much more suspicious than all the others that were probably there????
He did clear the times as I heard, that he got thru with work around 1:30 and didn't have to check in till 2:30, so looked on both 11th and 12th, but didn't call in till 9:30 on both those nights. And sounds like he made arrangements to be there to meet them on the 13th. Did sound like the officer kind of blew him off and didn't make a lot of effort to search. My BIG question is what about this bag was so suspicious???
I can see him thinking the smell of swamp water would make decomp smell less noticeable and why someone might choose this place to dump a body. BUT what about this certain bag made him so suspicious???
Have enjoyed seeing how it came across to all of you. Just had to add my 2 cents...Now back to reading...

I believe he saw a black bag with gray duct tape on it, I think that is what has been edited out of the 911 calls. That would make me curious.

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, no bag was actually found. Caylee was scattered all over the place. I doubt we have a bag, but I've been wrong before. JMO.

So everyone including LE that said remains were found in a bag are wrong? THUD!!

[daHawg]

Actually LE told him to call the tip line. He got frustrated and said something like I want to remain anonymous and not if you find a dead body here.

JMO.
No Dunnie that is NOT what he said. When they told him to call the Crimeline and he said he wanted to remain anonymous because he was a county employee they said he could still remain anonymous even if he was a county employee and he said "not if they find a freakin body". They then said yes even if a corpse is found you can remain anonymous.

[happy2bme]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

I posted this mainly to show one of the many reasons why people feel the way they do towards the A's.

[trt]

If this BAG was buried in snake filled water ,then how did the meter reader spot it from the side of the road. His own testimony today says he went pee only on the DEC 11-2008 discovery of the reamains, if he never went in there before ,HOW did he SEE IT ?

I know all about CASEY's lying and such ,but there is a big ? actually MORE now since his interview. Sorry folks I have to have all the answers and will not rest till they are dissected inside and out.

He said that he went to the only place that had shade back in August, which is how he saw the bag and reported it.

JMO

[Neffy]

Yeah, most likely the meters are read once a month. But, not knowing how they have their routes set up, we have no clue how close the overlaps are for the different routes. How many of the routes have "edges" near those woods? I'm probably not explaining it right...

You explained it perfectly and ITA. I'll see meter readers in my area for days at a time each month.

[Elle]

Indeed I am. I'm saying George never saw Casey on June 24th.

It's one of his 'conflicting statements' his criminal defense attorney talked about previously.

George stated he saw her at about 2:25. That he was about to leave for work to be there for 3. I wonder what the address is on these 2 messages.

To Troy on Facebook
Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008
she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.
miss ya, yo.

To Troy on Facebook
Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:46pm on June 24th, 2008
I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?

[Pooh]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

So here Cindy says Casey lost Caylee on June 14th. She's lost her last marble.

ETA: I just have to say that Megan Kelly is my new bff!! She didn't take ANY crap from Cindy.

[Anakerie]

News stories have fluctuated on that too. Some tv news said that was his normal route. Some tv news said that wasn't his normal route anymore; that he went back to investigate on his own because he still was curious about the trash bags he'd seen 3 mos. earlier.

Bags went from white to grey to black also.
He was in the woods to pee, no he wasn't. Just followed up on his own out of curiosity.

I want to know if it was curiosity how he knew to call the Caylee Anthony missing child tip line. Calling that tip line and telling them he'd found something to do with the case indicates he was more than curious as to what was contained in the trash bags. How many trash bags does a person see in a 3 month period of time? Why that one? Why that area? Why the Caylee Marie Anthony tip line?
He didn't call the "Caylee Marie Anthony" tip line. He called 911 and he called the Crimeline tip line.

[CANDYKISSES]

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I mean when people take the time to actually post this icon --->barf after what they've written about the Anthonys.....well, gee, what can I say. (Other than, why in the world does anyone find that necessary.....IS should get rid of that offensive and very childish icon, IMO!)

Unfortunately their indifference and behavior regarding the missing and now deceased Caylee Marie Anthony dictates the use of that icon IMO and that's why IS has the icons/emoticons available. They can symbolize what a poster may actually feel whether it's giddy with laughter or nauseated. JMO

barf Yes, their new release from Conway does it too for me.

[happygert]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Thanks happy2bme

[destiny1]

IMO, no bag was actually found. Caylee was scattered all over the place. I doubt we have a bag, but I've been wrong before. JMO.


There was a bag and tape, etc. And yes it held some remains, but either the bag was torn or not sealed. we don't know how the remains actually came to be scattered.

[Nellie]

If this BAG was buried in snake filled water ,then how did the meter reader spot it from the side of the road. His own testimony today says he went pee only on the DEC 11-2008 discovery of the reamains, if he never went in there before ,HOW did he SEE IT ?

I know all about CASEY's lying and such ,but there is a big ? actually MORE now since his interview. Sorry folks I have to have all the answers and will not rest till they are dissected inside and out.

I didn't hear him say he saw the bag from the road. Maybe I missed that. And I didn't say the bag was buried....I said "surrounded by snake infested water". I know I sure would not have walked through snake infested water to go check it out. I would have called LE to check it out. I believe he went into the woods to "look around" and saw something suspicious, but it was surrounded by water.

No wonder the poor man wanted to remain anonymous when he reported to LE......

[Dunlurken]

So everyone including LE that said remains were found in a bag are wrong? THUD!!

Where have you been? the bones/remains were scattered all over the place which is why it took days to find what little was left of Caylee. Remember them sifting through dirt to find fragments of her little fingers?

[RiverWalk]

News stories have fluctuated on that too. Some tv news said that was his normal route. Some tv news said that wasn't his normal route anymore; that he went back to investigate on his own because he still was curious about the trash bags he'd seen 3 mos. earlier.

Bags went from white to grey to black also.
He was in the woods to pee, no he wasn't. Just followed up on his own out of curiosity.

I want to know if it was curiosity how he knew to call the Caylee Anthony missing child tip line. Calling that tip line and telling them he'd found something to do with the case indicates he was more than curious as to what was contained in the trash bags. How many trash bags does a person see in a 3 month period of time? Why that one? Why that area? Why the Caylee Marie Anthony tip line?

LE (911) told Kronk to call the tip line. The reason to believe it was Caylee is the same reason LE thought it was Caylee (and most of us too when it was reported skeletal remains found) ... (Paraphrasing) No other child missing in that area. MOO

[AJandTam]

happygert
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Quote:
Originally Posted by shelbar53
Dont worry all The A's will tell us the whole story about the PI's looking for caylees body.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/...0,197900.story

"Conway said he and the Anthonys will "come out with the entire story, as well as phone records, later on . . . It's not going to crack the case.""

Hummm shelbar, the entire story? We've all been waiting on the "ENTIRE STORY" since day 31.. Dont think we'll ever get the entire story.. The A's should have told the truth not a "STORY"... Now they have a criminal attorney saying same thing. Why not come out with it now? Why not give up phone records now? Maybe because they haven't got there stories straight yet.. and THEY haven't got the IMMUNITY DEAL YET!! .That would be my opinion..

. Along with baez saying we dont know the "WHOLE STORY".. NO ONE but casey knows the whole story and we will never get it...CA and GA probably know the "story" but i doubt if they know the "Whole Story" as to why casey killed Caylee


What do they mean by throwing in PHONE RECORDS??? Is that an admission that they were on the phone w/the PI when that video was taken?

[steffaroob4]

That is what I read also. He was WORKING in the general area in November.

From his released call into dispatch that day, I think he was shocked he found something.

I get the feeling he went in there and poked around a bit, just to see what was around since the water went down. His was definately shook up, I don't think he ever expected to find anything. He was just looking to put the whole thing to rest in his head, "yeah I thought that bag was important, so let me look and see there is nothing there so I don't think about it any more."

[Dunlurken]

There was a bag and tape, etc. And yes it held some remains, but either the bag was torn or not sealed. we don't know how the remains actually came to be scattered.I think we can all guess. I won't go into details. The case is sad enough.

:rose:

[Daffodil]

This is exactly how I see it.

Casey killed her 2 year old daughter, put her in a trunk and let her rot for two days in the trunk of her car, before tossing the trash bag she put her in, into a swampy area where she rotted for 6 months, at the end of the street.

I dont care about Caseys parents, I dont blame them for that action. I have yet to meet a perfect family without conflict, or a family with a black sheep, or whatever. I am sure they have tons of regrets, have you ever had someone pass and have regrets,maybe, maybe not, but things happen and I believe what was meant to happen was determined long ago, fate, etc.
I think the way these grandparents have been treated and vilified, is wrong. I think it sets a bad example, and I fear in the future people will not report their grandchild missing because they dont want to be dissected like Cindy Anthony, because not everyone is perfect, or without fault.

I will not take the actions of Cindy in pain as the Bible to how she is, or what she is made of, I think she was the best mother she could be to someone like Casey, she adored her grandaughter, and kept a job, and didn't have to steal from the elderly to get by, or raid a childs piggybank.

So I take all those facts, and so much more, and just ultimately pin my anger towards the person who ended Caylees life, isn't that how its supposed to be?


Thanks Gemma. Now I can see where you are coming from. I am with you for the area I bolded.

I think Cindy brought on a lot herself. But I give you a lot of credit for not passing judgement. We all say we don't know what we would do if it happened to us. I even like to say I am the type of person that tries real hard to not judge a person unless I have walked in their shoes. But since this is an anonymous message board it is much easier to pass judgement. I do think Cindy caused her own problems. But I also know how mothers will do just about anything to protect their children. I like to think I would not have taken any of the paths that Cindy did, but I don't really know.

Thanks for giving me your perspective.

[CANDYKISSES]

He said that he went to the only place that had shade back in August, which is how he saw the bag and reported it.

JMO

Didn't he also admit that he had been thinking of where someone would have put the body today? I thought he said it would cover any bad odor IIRC. :closedeyes:

[marshmallow]

But aren't meters read once a month? how many times a month would he be in that exact area?

I know here it's several days a week each month. mine was read the other day but the meter reader was in the area for 2 weeks, I saw his truck and he did the other side of the street a week before he did mine.

[WillowInFlight]

Where have you been? the bones/remains were scattered all over the place which is why it took days to find what little was left of Caylee. Remember them sifting through dirt to find fragments of her little fingers?

I have been here for months, there were remains also in the bag, what do you think the skull fell out of? Also if you had heard the ME report you would know that most of Caylee was found.

[Motomom]

I posted this mainly to show one of the many reasons why people feel the way they do towards the A's.

Wow.. you hear cindy say she's been missing from Casey since June 14th. Closer posted the interviews again with Cindy and LE and I rewatched them. I'm gonna be cindyed out I think.

[Regina.Lampert]

Dont worry all The A's will tell us the whole story about the PI's looking for caylees body.


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey1309jan13,0,197900.story

"Conway said he and the Anthonys will "come out with the entire story, as well as phone records, later on . . . It's not going to crack the case.""

Hello! The case is already "cracked!"

Love this part too:

Bill Sheaffer, a legal analyst for WFTV-Channel 9, said he heard Casey tell Hoover something like, " 'This is where it is,' or 'This is where it should be.' "

Sheaffer, who watched the video when Hoover and Liguori met with FBI and Sheriff's Office investigators at his office, said it sounded as if Casey was talking with "someone who has intimate knowledge of that crime scene," Sheaffer said.

"It raises in my mind, quite clearly, who was he talking to?" Sheaffer said.

Yep, ole dominic is dirty, imo, and the anthonys have some 'spainin to do, imo.

[5boxersmom]

So here Cindy says Casey lost Caylee on June 14th. She's lost her last marble.

ETA: I just have to say that Megan Kelly is my new bff!! She didn't take ANY crap from Cindy.

Yeah I noticed that. Also Cindy got a call right before this interview about a Caylee sighting. :rolleyes: Wonder how many times that has been said?

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Unfortunately their indifference and behavior regarding the missing and now deceased Caylee Marie Anthony dictates the use of that icon IMO and that's why IS has the icons/emoticons available. They can symbolize what a poster may actually feel whether it's giddy with laughter or nauseated. JMO

barf Yes, their new release from Conway does it too for me.

I always think of goofy little ten-year-old boys sticking their fingers down their throats making gagging sounds and motions. :lol:

[Dunlurken]

Didn't he also admit that he had been thinking of where someone would have put the body today? I thought he said it would cover any bad odor IIRC. :closedeyes:

He's not credible, IMO.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I agree, in a perfect world Mr. Kronk should be quiet, but we do not live in that world.

The fact remains that he was able to make some money and he better grab as much as he can right now. He is headed for a whole lot more garbage coming down the road. I believe he needs to have enough money to cushion the blow of what lays ahead. He has already suffered from serious accusations and they will not stop any time soon. He has to be prepared incase he looses his job over this.

You have to admit that it was very funny that his lawyer leaked out yesterday that there was a picture and the specuation started to what he had a picture of. I found his interview very narrow, he did not go into bag color or what he saw that first day. I believe he is very smart and he has coached well. He basicly repeated the story LE gave that first week.

Did you catch the WE part, when he talked about finding a shady spot to rest on August 11th?

When I lived in Florida, there was a great shady spot next to our house that the local police, utility workers, tow truck drivers and others would use to take naps, work on their paper work during the day, it was quite popular.

Yes, I see the irony/humor in the snake picture, the speculation prior to its release, and the hoops to explain payment or non-payment for interviews. WE are likely observing a catch-22 situation where RK was instructed not to reveal the details of the investigation. LE released what they could in support of RK with redactions.

Hopefully interest will die down and things do not progress to the levels of ZFG's civil case.
jmo

[Daffodil]

Bolding mine. I'm not Gemma and she can certainly answer your question....but your question took me aback. I don't think she is "fighting so hard" for anything other than to post her opinions, which like mine as far as the Anthonys go, differ greatly from the majority.

Couldn't you turn that around and ask why is the majority of posters on here "fighting so hard" to vilify George and Cindy? It's just the nature of a message board, that's all. And it's even more a fair question, for those posters actually...they are GREATLY in the majority....why sit and post all day about what evil people these are? Maybe they are trying to convince me and Gemma? :sneaky:

I mean when people take the time to actually post this icon --->barf after what they've written about the Anthonys.....well, gee, what can I say. (Other than, why in the world does anyone find that necessary.....IS should get rid of that offensive and very childish icon, IMO!)


Hi Savvanah,

I hope my answer to Gemma will answer yours also. If not, let me know.

I do also agree with that icon.

I was just trying to see where she was coming from and I think she did a good job explaining it to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

The Orlando network employees who have heard the tape's accompanying AUDIO, appear to have a suspicion who MAY be on the phone.
jmo

Who, and who do you think was on the other end?


:smile:

[WillowInFlight]

I did that too...more than once I might add. I was actually out on the driveway watching for headlights while my imagination ran wild with fear and terrible images! :sad:

Yep, specially when they don't answer their cell phone. :cursing:

I wonder why the Anthony's didn't have a family Sunday dinner, or have most families done away with that?

[Dogmatic]

I think the reason that certain things seem so strange in this case is because we don't have all the facts yet.

Regarding Zanny the Nanny:
Coincidence that Zenaida G. looked at the Sawgrass apartments and Casey said she dropped Caylee off there with Zenaida? Probably not. More than likely, Casey knows someone at the Sawgrass apartments and overheard a conversation or saw some paperword that indicated that a person named Zenaida G. inquired about a certain apartment. She filed that memory and used it later as a quick lie.

Regarding the Meter Man:
Coincidence that he called in three tips in August and then found the mortal remains of Caylee in November? Probably not. More than likely, he is a person that puts alot of faith in psychic findings and followed a hunch. Had the flood water not been so high, LE might have located that bag sooner. He didn't give up because of his bounty hunter background and his hunch paid off eventually.

Both of these things seem remarkable and near impossible, but neither are impossible and I'm sure the trial will quell the questions.

[Anakerie]

IMO, no bag was actually found. Caylee was scattered all over the place. I doubt we have a bag, but I've been wrong before. JMO.
There was a bag, Dunnie. Did you miss the part where the skull rolled out of a BAG? And that is not just from the meter reader's story. The news of the BAG comes from LE as well. Did you miss the Sheriff's news conference right after her remains were found?

[Motomom]

Which hearing was it that the judge ripped into Casey. Was that the initial hearing? I don't think i ever watched it.. I have to find it, i want to see and hear the judge do that.

[Pooh]

Cindy danced all around the main question.

Why is that?

Yeah, she sure did. And threatening to end the interview if she kept getting interrupted. Ok, Cindy, hang up. See where THAT gets ya. Unbelieveable. I hadn't seen this video before. Glad I didn't miss it!

[desmom]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Thanks.

Cindy said Caylee had been missing from Casey since June 14. She only wants the focus on Caylee - the who, what, when and where are not important and can be sorted out later.

Cindy also argues with the reporter and then hangs up on her. At the end of the report the reporter says, "we will look out for that child which is more than we can say the family has done." (paraphrasing)

jmo

[Roux]

I posted this mainly to show one of the many reasons why people feel the way they do towards the A's.

thanks happy. I don't remember ever seeing that one before. Did Cindy say June 14? Guess she misspoke and meant June 16.

[happy2bme]

Wow.. you hear cindy say she's been missing from Casey since June 14th. Closer posted the interviews again with Cindy and LE and I rewatched them. I'm gonna be cindyed out I think.

This is pure speculation but I find it very strange that she did not report 15th. Makes me think the fight we have all heard about the 15th was really bad. Maybe Caylee witnessed it...Cindy sure did not want anyone to know.

How in the world do you forget you had your granddaughter on Fathers Day? Especially since Cindy loved Caylee so much and was missing her?

[steffaroob4]

Perhaps money was/is a consideration. Initially wasn't the reward eligibility controversy revolving around calling 911 first instead of calling crimeline first?

Let's think about the rewards and interview money.

You are a co-worker/family member/best friend/lawyer f Roy Kronk. You know the whole back story of the events of the calls to LE and discovery.

Would you tell your friend he desreves a reward?

Would you advise your friend to do a narrow interview to get some basic facts out and make some money, just incase you loose your job?

Do you think your friend would benifit from getting some facts out and lay to rest some speculation?

What you tell you buddy?

[happygert]

Thanks happy2bme


WOW !!! happy2bme thanks! She sure had her number from the get go...

[Anakerie]

Fox news and CNN said he haden't had that route for some time. That it used to be his route. After previously reporting something to the contrary.

The way these reports are going it's questionable if it was ever his route. They may change that aspect next, who can know? This case leaves one's head spinning.
We're all getting so dizzy from all of the conflicting reports we're reading.... I don't know about anyone else, but I can hardly wait for the trial so we can get the REAL story!

[Dunlurken]

Yes, I see the irony/humor in the snake picture, the speculation prior to its release, and the hoops to explain payment or non-payment for interviews. WE are likely observing a catch-22 situation where RK was instructed not to reveal the details of the investigation. LE released what they could in support of RK with redactions.

Hopefully interest will die down and things do not progress to the levels of ZFG's civil case.
jmo

Hey, but Kronk got to stay in a nice hotel for the night. Probably got paid some money for his interview and a plane ride to NY.
JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

Thanks happy2bme



I had never seen this video before either...I loved the way the newscaster ripped into Cindy.....Cindy was sounding just like Casey, avoiding every normal question that would have been asked.....

This video certainly leads me to believe that Cindy knew just what happened to Caylee....it's all about saving Casey and has been since almost day one.....

[WillowInFlight]

Hey, but Kronk got to stay in a nice hotel for the night. Probably got paid some money for his interview and a plane ride to NY.
JMO.

Hey, So didn't George and Cindy!

[steffaroob4]

Yeah, most likely the meters are read once a month. But, not knowing how they have their routes set up, we have no clue how close the overlaps are for the different routes. How many of the routes have "edges" near those woods? I'm probably not explaining it right...

I have said this before, our water and gas meters are read every three months, is it different in other areas. I can't recall how often they were read when I lived in FL.

[marshmallow]

He's not credible, IMO.

who, in all this, do you think is/has been credible?
(not a rude comment, an actual question)

[happy2bme]

thanks happy. I don't remember ever seeing that one before. Did Cindy say June 14? Guess she misspoke and meant June 16.

Before that is was June 9th

[happygert]

thanks happy. I don't remember ever seeing that one before. Did Cindy say June 14? Guess she misspoke and meant June 16.

Yes she sure did say the 14th....I think she was just a little mad when being questioned about who had Caylee..I can see why Yuri was asking her about that and she said she didnt say that...LYING FROM GET GO!!

[Barbara fl.]

More than one so far that I've heard/read of. Early-on where the judge said she and the truth are strangers. Then more recently where he ordered her to be in court at the appointed times. She looked so disgusted with the proceedings. As if it was cutting into her time. Then her laughing. She's really a piece o' work that one.


Your right, it did seem like the judge interrupted her day.....I wonder what her day was planned for...:biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

Of course he's credible.

He found Caylee's remains. The same remains you have posted numerous times wouldn't be found. Ever.

He found Caylee's remains.

Ultimately, that is all that matters. The rest is smoke & mirrors.

Exactly! The rest is smoke and mirrors. The question is how and why did he find Caylee's remains. Think outside the box. JMO.

[Pooh]

This is pure speculation but I find it very strange that she did not report 15th. Makes me think the fight we have all heard about the 15th was really bad. Maybe Caylee witnessed it...Cindy sure did not want anyone to know.

How in the world do you forget you had your granddaughter on Fathers Day? Especially since Cindy loved Caylee so much and was missing her?

Another infamous "inconsistent statement".... imo

[happy2bme]

I had never seen this video before either...I loved the way the newscaster ripped into Cindy.....Cindy was sounding just like Casey, avoiding every normal question that would have been asked.....

This video certainly leads me to believe that Cindy knew just what happened to Caylee....it's all about saving Casey and has been since almost day one.....


Really an eye-opener when you go back and listen to it now.

[CANDYKISSES]

I always think of goofy little ten-year-old boys sticking their fingers down their throats making gagging sounds and motions. :lol:

Well, now you know when you see it in my post, IT MEANS I AM beyond disgusted and actually feeling nauseated. Thanks to IS for offering emoticons that serve a purpose in some of these tragic cases where laughter has little value and there can be a variety of emotions at any given point of the day IMO. :blink:
JMO

[GIGI4256]

who, in all this, do you think is/has been credible?
(not a rude comment, an actual question)

really? who cares? Caylee has been found and now her murdering mother can be punished. That is really all that matters here. JMO
Ignore is a wonderful tool!

[AJandTam]

Hello! The case is already "cracked!"

Love this part too:

Bill Sheaffer, a legal analyst for WFTV-Channel 9, said he heard Casey tell Hoover something like, " 'This is where it is,' or 'This is where it should be.' "

Sheaffer, who watched the video when Hoover and Liguori met with FBI and Sheriff's Office investigators at his office, said it sounded as if Casey was talking with "someone who has intimate knowledge of that crime scene," Sheaffer said.

"It raises in my mind, quite clearly, who was he talking to?" Sheaffer said.

Yep, ole dominic is dirty, imo, and the anthonys have some 'spainin to do, imo.

What in the heck is Conway talking about... turn over phone records later.. It won't crack the case.. Does it won't crack the case actually translate to.. This isn't going to be what bust us? Casey is already busted so cracking the case, must mean the case against them??

[Lavenia]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

WOW! Cindy met her match and then some with that news anchor! I hadn't seen that one before either.

[starling]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Thanks.
Very interesting & IMO easy to see where Casey got her method of operation.
I like the way the host did not back down as GC tried to twist it and deflect away from murderer Casey.



JMO

[Anakerie]

Where have you been? the bones/remains were scattered all over the place which is why it took days to find what little was left of Caylee. Remember them sifting through dirt to find fragments of her little fingers?
Dunnie. The bag was NOT sealed. The remains could have been scattered by animals scavenging or falling out of the bag if it had been moved around by the movement of the water during the storms. Have you ever watched something being pushed around on wet, soggy ground by the wind? I have.

[5boxersmom]

Yes she sure did say the 14th....I think she was just a little mad when being questioned about who had Caylee..I can see why Yuri was asking her about that and she said she didnt say that...LYING FROM GET GO!!

What was the date the 21st? 6 days after Cindy called 911. Yep it started right from the beginning.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Of course he's credible.

He found Caylee's remains. The same remains you have posted numerous times wouldn't be found. Ever.

He found Caylee's remains.

Ultimately, that is all that matters. The rest is smoke & mirrors.



I agree...he truly was the one to find Caylee's remains....and he should not be being treated like he is a criminal....He is a hero in my books...Hate to think of what we would still be hearing from Cindy if the body was not found......"a sighting in Hong Kong maybe....

[CANDYKISSES]

He's not credible, IMO.

That remains to be seen. He was credible in leading them to the body this time and that in itself was a blessing IMO.

I still think there was a tip somewhere or he really was needing the money, but it couldn't work for him. JMOO.

[Neffy]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

Calling it like it is. GERALDO GET A CLUE!

[ruth66]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist


WOW! Wish more people at FOX would take off the kid gloves. Someone mentioned Greta being suspicious of the MR, IMO Greta was taken in by the A's when she was allowed into their home and let them guide her around by the nose. Too bad this reporter couldn't still be covering the story.

JMO

[Motomom]

Exactly! The rest is smoke and mirrors. The question is how and why did he find Caylee's remains. Think outside the box. JMO.

How and why? Thinking outside the box here.. he had a hunch and it nagged at him.. someone who doesn't get that intuition may not understand it. JMO

[ishkabibble]

I agree, in a perfect world Mr. Kronk should be quiet, but we do not live in that world.

The fact remains that he was able to make some money and he better grab as much as he can right now. He is headed for a whole lot more garbage coming down the road. I believe he needs to have enough money to cushion the blow of what lays ahead. He has already suffered from serious accusations and they will not stop any time soon. He has to be prepared incase he looses his job over this.

You have to admit that it was very funny that his lawyer leaked out yesterday that there was a picture and the specuation started to what he had a picture of. I found his interview very narrow, he did not go into bag color or what he saw that first day. I believe he is very smart and he has coached well. He basicly repeated the story LE gave that first week.

Did you catch the WE part, when he talked about finding a shady spot to rest on August 11th?

When I lived in Florida, there was a great shady spot next to our house that the local police, utility workers, tow truck drivers and others would use to take naps, work on their paper work during the day, it was quite popular.

in a perfect world no one would profit from the murder of a child, in a perfect world no child would be murdered and everyone would always act with the purest of motives. This is far from a perfect world. Why are rewards offered? to intice people to report something they find out of the ordinary or strange or unusual. If rewards are offered is it wrong to go make an effort to collect them? Many lost items have been recovered in my house with the notice that a reward of a popsicle is at stake. If Mr. Kronk had no inside knowledge of the body's location and he merely used the same "detective" tools that we here on this site use everyday is he not entitled to any financial "rewards" he can obtain. provided of course that he has cooperated fully and without payment with LE in their investigation of any crime that has been commited. Many who have done so much less than he has have profitted.

[Roux]

Which hearing was it that the judge ripped into Casey. Was that the initial hearing? I don't think i ever watched it.. I have to find it, i want to see and hear the judge do that.

Yes the first bond hearing. Judge said Casey and the truth were strangers.

[SavannahStar]

Hi Savvanah,

I hope my answer to Gemma will answer yours also. If not, let me know.

I do also agree with that icon.

I was just trying to see where she was coming from and I think she did a good job explaining it to me.

It does. Thank you Daffodil! Gemma did do a wonderful job....she's very forthright and articulate. I enjoy her posts.

[RockStarGirl]

The sick "trend" is called the media intrusion, the internet, blogs, expansion of resources that were not available to us lets say, 20 years ago, even 10. I dont give the Anthonys "credit" for anything, its not like they are the first family to have a pathological murdering child, and they wont be the last, thats just a FACT.

The media intrusion? The same media that Cindy sought out and used? How many talk shows, interviews, news shows was she on? Did someone force her? I thought she wanted the media involved. I didn't know you could be forced to do an interview and sell pictures. Hmm.

[WillowInFlight]

Casey took Caylee away on the 16th, Cindy wrote on her MySpace on the 13th of July, I wonder if Cindy talked at all to Casey between the 16th and the 13th for her to make such a heart wrenching post.

[Dunlurken]

who, in all this, do you think is/has been credible?
(not a rude comment, an actual question)

No one. LE didn't follow up on the tip from Kronk. The Anthony's have lied to everyone. Actually, no one is credible, and maybe it's just me, but I think I would go back to the original 911 calls.

The car smells like a damm body has been in it. In a twisted sort of way, Casey is probably the most credible person because at least we know she can't be believed.

she works at Universal. Wait, no she doesn't. She has two cell phones, but lost her sim card. She dropped Caylee off at Zanny's house (and Zanny the Nanny doesn't exist). so in a twisted way, Casey is the most credible. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Exactly! The rest is smoke and mirrors. The question is how and why did he find Caylee's remains. Think outside the box. JMO.





Isn't it possible a Higher Being stepped in to help this man find her?
I do believe God works in mysterious ways...

[Pooh]

WOW! Cindy met her match and then some with that news anchor! I hadn't seen that one before either.

Megyn Kelly used to be a litigator in NYC, DC, and Chicago. She ROCKS! Love her. She sure let Cindy have it in the last 10 seconds of the "interview". And she didn't miss a beat doing it either.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree...he truly was the one to find Caylee's remains....and he should not be being treated like he is a criminal....He is a hero in my books...Hate to think of what we would still be hearing from Cindy if the body was not found......"a sighting in Hong Kong maybe....

That wouldn't shock me at all.

[Regina.Lampert]

i actually thought he seemed sincere....but i'm hoping my steelers win next week also, so my opinion might not count. really i think he seemed well versed (DON'T MEAN THIS TO BE UGLY) as opposed to his appearance. he just worried me in the beginning. okay i guess i'm going to get hammered over this one. be kind!:blink:


Uh, oh......now I see your how inaccurate your judgement can be........ :tonguewag:

Anywho, I imagine his attorney went over things with him and I really don't see anything suspicious about that.

BTW, as many of our alert posters have noted, in his interview he uses the plural (we) when referring to the day he found the remains. Wouldn't it be a kick in the head if there was another person present who can verify exactly what took place, but wanted to remain anonymous. I would love it if LE has a witness to back up Mr. Kronk.

Could explain the edited 911 calls. Of course baez would receive this information thru Discovery.

[RockStarGirl]

I wonder how many families report missing kids, and then it becomes a cold case because the media does not care and the story is not as sensational as Caylees.

OK, now I'm really confused. Do you support the "media intrusion" (your words) or not? Is it good to get the media involved and interested so that your case does not become a cold case or is it bad because then the media is intruding?

[5boxersmom]

Until we get to trial I don't think any of us know for sure what condition the bag was in. Last evening on Greta's Michael Baden said the body was contained in the bag. I know we heard other reports before and I know he's not on the prosecution team. But we simply do not know for sure.

He said her whole body was contained inside the bag. Greta's show last nite. No need for people to post links saying otherwise. I've already read the otherwise stories of trail of bones, etc. I'm just repeating what Baden told Greta last nite.

Doesn't that make one wonder where Dr. Baden is getting his info? :wink:

[happygert]

I posted this mainly to show one of the many reasons why people feel the way they do towards the A's.

Sounds like she has a temper... If she don't get her way.. and If she can't control the situation she don't like it...jmo OMG what will she do if she ever takes the witness stand.. OH please no IMMUNITY! we wont get the see the real ca...

[desmom]

Fox news reported at one point that was no longer his route at the time though. It may be a mistake on the part of that report, but I know I heard it on tv. Seems like they would've called his company to get that info. I know text news on the net says it WAS his route.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-metereader2008dec20,0,5864010.story

He worked occasionally in the east Orange County neighborhood where he found the remains but had no regular route, Triggs said. Kronk knew the wooded area because it was a shady place to park during hot weather.

Kronk was last in the neighborhood in November, he told Triggs, but did not check the woods because he was busy.

[court~critic1®]

who, in all this, do you think is/has been credible?
(not a rude comment, an actual question)


Just for me personally. Roy Kronk is the ONLY one I believe is credible in this whole mess. That includes ALL the TH, Atts, news reporters, and everyone else connected to this fiasco.

To all the others and some posters, Caylee has been forgotten in all this. How so very sad.

[CANDYKISSES]

Casey took Caylee away on the 16th, Cindy wrote on her MySpace on the 13th of July, I wonder if Cindy talked at all to Casey between the 16th and the 13th for her to make such a heart wrenching post.

It was July 3rd IIRC Willow.

[Mandysmom]

So everyone including LE that said remains were found in a bag are wrong? THUD!!

:scared:Put me right on the ground next to ya!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Who, and who do you think was on the other end?


:smile:

RAW INTERVIEW: Lee Anthony's Attorney Talks About P.I.'s Video At Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18465511/index.html

ETA - I have not heard the audio input.

[Motomom]

Isn't it possible a Higher Being stepped in to help this man find her?
I do believe God works in mysterious ways...

Me too kitty..

[WillowInFlight]

It was July 3rd IIRC Willow.

You're right I just checked, So Caylee was missing just a little over 2 weeks.

[Motomom]

The same as Baez saying about the autopsy pix maybe being hi-jacked.
A future plan of action???
jmo

Just doing damage control, before the damage.. or maybe giving somoene an idea.

[starling]

Megyn Kelly used to be a litigator in NYC, DC, and Chicago. She ROCKS! Love her. She sure let Cindy have it in the last 10 seconds of the "interview". And she didn't miss a beat doing it either.

:beer: ITA!

[happygert]

Doesn't that make one wonder where Dr. Baden is getting his info? :wink:

3 guesses and first 2 don't count....:wink:

[Pooh]

Sounds like she has a temper... If she don't get her way.. and If she can't control the situation she don't like it...jmo OMG what will she do if she ever takes the witness stand.. OH please no IMMUNITY! we wont get the see the real ca...

OMG - the day Cindy takes the stand I'm taking the day off work to watch. Heck, I'll have to take a leave of absence! :biggrin:

[LostinSpace]

Tim Miller. Roy Kronk.

Maybe Mark Nejame. Maybe.

Speaking of Nejame, when did he quit? Wondering if this video could have something to do with his departure.:confused:

[marshmallow]

really? who cares? Caylee has been found and now her murdering mother can be punished. That is really all that matters here. JMO
Ignore is a wonderful tool!

ignore away, I don't ignore people.



I do hope others will answer this, I've been mulling my question over in my own head too: Who, in all of this, do you think has been credible?

I see a couple people already have, thank you. I'm still trying to figure out who, if anyone, is

[spiritwolf46]

Megyn Kelly used to be a litigator in NYC, DC, and Chicago. She ROCKS! Love her. She sure let Cindy have it in the last 10 seconds of the "interview". And she didn't miss a beat doing it either.


When did this happen??? I LOVE Megyn Kelly! Anyone have a link so I can see it!? Thanks so very much!

[Neffy]

I had never seen this video before either...I loved the way the newscaster ripped into Cindy.....Cindy was sounding just like Casey, avoiding every normal question that would have been asked.....

This video certainly leads me to believe that Cindy knew just what happened to Caylee....it's all about saving Casey and has been since almost day one.....

The old "nobody confronts and Anthony" routine. We will not be questioned. EVER. Do as we say NOW.

[AbbyNormal]

I wonder how many families report missing kids, and then it becomes a cold case because the media does not care and the story is not as sensational as Caylees.Well, not many families can be as notorious as the Anthony's. What is troubling is CA appears to enjoy the sensationalism.

[?noanswer]

I agree, in a perfect world Mr. Kronk should be quiet, but we do not live in that world.

The fact remains that he was able to make some money and he better grab as much as he can right now. He is headed for a whole lot more garbage coming down the road. I believe he needs to have enough money to cushion the blow of what lays ahead. He has already suffered from serious accusations and they will not stop any time soon. He has to be prepared incase he looses his job over this.

You have to admit that it was very funny that his lawyer leaked out yesterday that there was a picture and the specuation started to what he had a picture of. I found his interview very narrow, he did not go into bag color or what he saw that first day. I believe he is very smart and he has coached well. He basicly repeated the story LE gave that first week.

Did you catch the WE part, when he talked about finding a shady spot to rest on August 11th?

When I lived in Florida, there was a great shady spot next to our house that the local police, utility workers, tow truck drivers and others would use to take naps, work on their paper work during the day, it was quite popular.

I agree, he did a good interview. Surprised me that his lawyer was not sitting by his side. Even if the L was out of camera range, it did not appear he looked to him before he answered questions. JMO

[ishkabibble]

George stated he saw her at about 2:25. That he was about to leave for work to be there for 3. I wonder what the address is on these 2 messages.

To Troy on Facebook
Casey Anthony (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:40pm on June 24th, 2008
she still has yet to move into the house. hell, in the past 9 days, i haven't even been living at the house. DRAMMMMMA. i'll fill ya in later on.
miss ya, yo.

To Troy on Facebook
Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 2:46pm on June 24th, 2008
I'm still at Ricardo and JPs... hopefully everything works out soon! Hey, so I forwarded my mail a little late... any idea how to get my insurance stuff that got mailed to the Oviedo house?

this post to troy confirms she was out of the Hopespring house since June 15/16

[kitty1182]

If God could step in and change anythng at any time ,surely he'd have stepped in and stopped the act of murder BeFORE it occurred , and many other horrendous sad things that happen daily to we human beings who walk the earth while you know who is ruling it in our time of being tested.

We all have a free will..

[happygert]

Just doing damage control, before the damage.. or maybe giving somoene an idea.

I'll give it 2 weeks after they get the pictures...they wont be the ones that baez team took either..JMHO

[Pooh]

Speaking of Nejame, when did he quit? Wondering if this video could have something to do with his departure.:confused:

He quit on 11/20/08. We discussed this a bunch yesterday. It's entirely possible the tape contributed to his departure.

[Neffy]

ignore away, I don't ignore people.



I do hope others will answer this, I've been mulling my question over in my own head too: Who, in all of this, do you think has been credible?

Casey's friends.
Kronk
Tim Miller
Sherrif Beary

Off the top of my head.

[Katprint]

Not a dumb question, but I don't know the answer. I am thinking that the charge is what would dictate the options regarding jury trial, etc. However, I could be completely wrong here. Maybe Katprint is available and can answer.

BTW, what would we do without her? Her posts are so valuable. Thanks Katprint!!
Yes, Florida permits defendants, even defendants facing life in prison without possibility of parole or the death penalty, to waive their state and federal constitutional right to a trial by jury. For example, double-murderer Andrew Allred pled guilty and waived his right to a jury trial, and even asked not to be present when the judge decided his sentence. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/5/17/allred_waives_right_to_jury_trial_for_oviedo_murde rs.html

But defendants can also waive their right to a jury trial without pleading guilty, in which case the judge conducts a "bench trial" where the judge takes the place of the jury to decide guilt and, if the death penalty is on the table, whether to impose LWOP or the death penalty. Sometimes a bench trial is a good strategic decision in cases where the victim is especially sympathetic (child, elderly woman, handicapped) and the crime is especially heinous (murder in a particularly painful or gruesome manner, additional inflammatory but largely irrelevant facts such as necrophilia or cannibalism or satanic ritual, etc.) Most criminal judges have "seen it all" and so they should be more able to set aside irrelevant inflammatory facts and will be less likely to be unduly influenced by their emotions. However, those same criminal judges may have imposed the death penalty before so they may be more willing to impose it again than normal jurors who have never really thought about whether they should cause someone to die.

As was previously suggested by the President of the Florida Criminal Bar Association, Casey could change her plea to guilty right now, before the death penalty is added based on some further damning evidence discovered on the duct tape or in Casey's car trunk or in the Anthony residence or at the scene where Caylee's body was dumped. As I understand Florida law (which is not my area of expertise), the prosecution could not stop her from pleading guilty to the charges as they now stand, waiving her right to a jury trial, and asking the judge to sentence her to LWOP.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[joolz]

So everyone including LE that said remains were found in a bag are wrong? THUD!!

ITA Willow. I just got here and watched the interview, and am now trying to catch up. Sorry, but my blood pressure is already zipping up - why the HE!! are people sliming Kronk? What is so freaking suspicious about him discovering the remains? I DON'T SEE IT.

The man solved this miserable POS case. Don't care about his past (which turns out to be a big nothing), don't care if he was a PI or a bounty hunter or a freaking cannibal. Don't care if he returned to the scene because he was obsessed with this case LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD. Don't care if he's in it for the reward (which I don't believe, BTW).

HE FOUND CAYLEE'S REMAINS. Period.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

[CANDYKISSES]

When did this happen??? I LOVE Megyn Kelly! Anyone have a link so I can see it!? Thanks so very much!

It's been awhile, I remember when some were emailing for her to apologize to Cindy. I wasn't one of them. :closedeyes:

[AlohaRainbow]

I just watched the video of him on GMA. I'm still digesting it. He says he just wanted to put the baby to rest... why wait another three months? I would be screaming and shouting.

Okay, let me digest the video. JMO.
imo - he waited until the area dried up. which makes sense (to me, at least) since he thought LE sort of "blew him off" when the bag was water.

[daHawg]

Whose smoke ?
Here's a nice recap of Cindy's smoke on NG from July 17th.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/17/ng.01.html

[Pooh]

When did this happen??? I LOVE Megyn Kelly! Anyone have a link so I can see it!? Thanks so very much!

the link is in post #708. check it out!!!!

[RockStarGirl]

Are you surprised?

Seriously though... sounds like GemmaCat supports Cindy's attempts to control the media.

I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong.

Yes LS, I'm sure she will correct you. LOL

Surprised? NO. I usually don't bite. I don't know what got into me, sorry. :blush:

[desmom]

When did this happen??? I LOVE Megyn Kelly! Anyone have a link so I can see it!? Thanks so very much!

July 21 http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[gaelicpeas]

What do they mean by throwing in PHONE RECORDS??? Is that an admission that they were on the phone w/the PI when that video was taken?

That was EXACTLY how I read that too, AJ&T.

[LostinSpace]

He quit on 11/20/08. We discussed this a bunch yesterday. It's entirely possible the tape contributed to his departure.

Oh, sorry. I did not know this was discussed yesterday.:blushing:

Never mind.

[steffaroob4]

No one. LE didn't follow up on the tip from Kronk. The Anthony's have lied to everyone. Actually, no one is credible, and maybe it's just me, but I think I would go back to the original 911 calls.

The car smells like a damm body has been in it. In a twisted sort of way, Casey is probably the most credible person because at least we know she can't be believed.

she works at Universal. Wait, no she doesn't. She has two cell phones, but lost her sim card. She dropped Caylee off at Zanny's house (and Zanny the Nanny doesn't exist). so in a twisted way, Casey is the most credible. JMO.

I think we sometimes forget that a second search was done by TES the previous weekend. We also had GSJ in the area and from what I have read her group found bones, dog bones. LE was responding to many calls and finding nothing.

Frankly I am disgusted by a police officer that would not check out any tip to the best of his abilities.

If there is any fault here, it needs to be put on at the feet of a police officer that didn't check out a tip all the way. If that officer looked into that bag that day and found nothing that would be one thing. But for him not to look is wrong. I understand all the calls that were dead ends but that isn't an excuse for not checking something out.

If that officer couldn't reach that bag, he should have called someone else, Kronk can not be blamed for the actions of the ONE officer.

[callmetree]

Uh, oh......now I see your how inaccurate your judgement can be........ :tonguewag:

Anywho, I imagine his attorney went over things with him and I really don't see anything suspicious about that.

BTW, as many of our alert posters have noted, in his interview he uses the plural (we) when referring to the day he found the remains. Wouldn't it be a kick in the head if there was another person present who can verify exactly what took place, but wanted to remain anonymous. I would love it if LE has a witness to back up Mr. Kronk.

Could explain the edited 911 calls. Of course baez would receive this information thru Discovery.

i see it's on :lol: i did notice the we also. hmmmm

[happygert]

Are you surprised?

Seriously though... sounds like GemmaCat supports Cindy's attempts to control the media.

I'm sure she'll correct me if I'm wrong.

ITA!!!!........Cindy has to be in control of everything.....tempers flair if she's not......jhmo

[Mamie]

I was reading on another message board and found this link to one of Cindy's interviews from July 21st. Wow. I had never seen this one.

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist


Ooohh, I liked it------she got right back in Cindy's face didn't she? And Cindy needed somebody to do that to her. I hadn't seen that video either, so thanks for bringing it on board! JMO

[Daffodil]

Wow, I can't believe I have been here all morning!!! Time for lunch. I need to stay away for awhile. I need to take care of business!!!

Thanks for chatting and sharing your insights.

[ishkabibble]

ITA Willow. I just got here and watched the interview, and am now trying to catch up. Sorry, but my blood pressure is already zipping up - why the HE!! are people sliming Kronk? What is so freaking suspicious about him discovering the remains? I DON'T SEE IT.

The man solved this miserable POS case. Don't care about his past (which turns out to be a big nothing), don't care if he was a PI or a bounty hunter or a freaking cannibal. Don't care if he returned to the scene because he was obsessed with this case LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD. Don't care if he's in it for the reward (which I don't believe, BTW).

HE FOUND CAYLEE'S REMAINS. Period.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

Yes! Yes! Yes! a reasonable person speaks out!!

[?noanswer]

No Dunnie that is NOT what he said. When they told him to call the Crimeline and he said he wanted to remain anonymous because he was a county employee they said he could still remain anonymous even if he was a county employee and he said "not if they find a freakin body". They then said yes even if a corpse is found you can remain anonymous.

Somebody was wrong on that front! There are pros & cons on whether the meter reader is reliable. But just reading these posts, it is easy to see how the story has gotten out of control. We will not know the true story until we see the LE interview. Since LE seems to be supporting him at this point, I will believe he is reliable. If LE comes out with something different, then I will change my mind. JMO

[Katprint]

Tim Miller. Roy Kronk.

Maybe Mark Nejame. Maybe.
I thought Terrence Lenamon was pretty credible too. Also the DA's people (except whoever is leaking like a firehose to the media.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[MGM111]

No one. LE didn't follow up on the tip from Kronk. The Anthony's have lied to everyone. Actually, no one is credible, and maybe it's just me, but I think I would go back to the original 911 calls.

The car smells like a damm body has been in it. In a twisted sort of way, Casey is probably the most credible person because at least we know she can't be believed.

she works at Universal. Wait, no she doesn't. She has two cell phones, but lost her sim card. She dropped Caylee off at Zanny's house (and Zanny the Nanny doesn't exist). so in a twisted way, Casey is the most credible. JMO.

LOL - credible... no, consistant..most definately yes !

[Pooh]

Yes, Florida permits defendants, even defendants facing life in prison without possibility of parole or the death penalty, to waive their state and federal constitutional right to a trial by jury. For example, double-murderer Andrew Allred pled guilty and waived his right to a jury trial, and even asked not to be present when the judge decided his sentence. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/5/17/allred_waives_right_to_jury_trial_for_oviedo_murde rs.html

But defendants can also waive their right to a jury trial without pleading guilty, in which case the judge conducts a "bench trial" where the judge takes the place of the jury to decide guilt and, if the death penalty is on the table, whether to impose LWOP or the death penalty. Sometimes a bench trial is a good strategic decision in cases where the victim is especially sympathetic (child, elderly woman, handicapped) and the crime is especially heinous (murder in a particularly painful or gruesome manner, additional inflammatory but largely irrelevant facts such as necrophilia or cannibalism or satanic ritual, etc.) Most criminal judges have "seen it all" and so they should be more able to set aside irrelevant inflammatory facts and will be less likely to be unduly influenced by their emotions. However, those same criminal judges may have imposed the death penalty before so they may be more willing to impose it again than normal jurors who have never really thought about whether they should cause someone to die.

As was previously suggested by the President of the Florida Criminal Bar Association, Casey could change her plea to guilty right now, before the death penalty is added based on some further damning evidence discovered on the duct tape or in Casey's car trunk or in the Anthony residence or at the scene where Caylee's body was dumped. As I understand Florida law (which is not my area of expertise), the prosecution could not stop her from pleading guilty to the charges as they now stand, waiving her right to a jury trial, and asking the judge to sentence her to LWOP.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Question for you Katprint. Don't some states have a three judge panel as well? Or is that considered a bench trial too? TIA!

[Regina.Lampert]

Padilla has become this cases Hedda Hopper/Cindy Adams. He's over hearing tidbits and throwing his own 2 cents in.

LOL, definetly the Hedda Hopper type, with his love of hats! :hat:

[nana6]

Who, and who do you think was on the other end?


:smile:

my guess is Lee

[Anakerie]

Tim Miller. Roy Kronk.

Maybe Mark Nejame. Maybe.
I'd add in the investigators that have gone before the cameras to debunk rumors... (Can't remember the names...)

[RockStarGirl]

Yes, Florida permits defendants, even defendants facing life in prison without possibility of parole or the death penalty, to waive their state and federal constitutional right to a trial by jury. For example, double-murderer Andrew Allred pled guilty and waived his right to a jury trial, and even asked not to be present when the judge decided his sentence. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/5/17/allred_waives_right_to_jury_trial_for_oviedo_murde rs.html

But defendants can also waive their right to a jury trial without pleading guilty, in which case the judge conducts a "bench trial" where the judge takes the place of the jury to decide guilt and, if the death penalty is on the table, whether to impose LWOP or the death penalty. Sometimes a bench trial is a good strategic decision in cases where the victim is especially sympathetic (child, elderly woman, handicapped) and the crime is especially heinous (murder in a particularly painful or gruesome manner, additional inflammatory but largely irrelevant facts such as necrophilia or cannibalism or satanic ritual, etc.) Most criminal judges have "seen it all" and so they should be more able to set aside irrelevant inflammatory facts and will be less likely to be unduly influenced by their emotions. However, those same criminal judges may have imposed the death penalty before so they may be more willing to impose it again than normal jurors who have never really thought about whether they should cause someone to die.

As was previously suggested by the President of the Florida Criminal Bar Association, Casey could change her plea to guilty right now, before the death penalty is added based on some further damning evidence discovered on the duct tape or in Casey's car trunk or in the Anthony residence or at the scene where Caylee's body was dumped. As I understand Florida law (which is not my area of expertise), the prosecution could not stop her from pleading guilty to the charges as they now stand, waiving her right to a jury trial, and asking the judge to sentence her to LWOP.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

See, what did I tell ya? I knew she would know. Thanks Kat!!

BTW- I had no idea this was the case. Learn something new everyday!

[Dunlurken]

I think we sometimes forget that a second search was done by TES the previous weekend. We also had GSJ in the area and from what I have read her group found bones, dog bones. LE was responding to many calls and finding nothing.

Frankly I am disgusted by a police officer that would not check out any tip to the best of his abilities.

If there is any fault here, it needs to be put on at the feet of a police officer that didn't check out a tip all the way. If that officer looked into that bag that day and found nothing that would be one thing. But for him not to look is wrong. I understand all the calls that were dead ends but that isn't an excuse for not checking something out.

If that officer couldn't reach that bag, he should have called someone else, Kronk can not be blamed for the actions of the ONE officer.
I would like to know if LE actually showed up. JMO. Guess we will find out at trial.

[5boxersmom]

ITA!!!!........Cindy has to be in control of everything.....tempers flair if she's not......jhmo

She acts like no one should question why Casey waited 31 days to report Caylee missing. Does she not realize this is not normal?

jmo

[AJandTam]

That was EXACTLY how I read that too, AJ&T.

Thank you Gaelic. I wasn't sure if I was understanding that right or not.. I mean he is their lawyer.. But I don't see why he would bring up phone records if that isn't what he was saying. That statement sounded sooooooooo Cindy to me. I really wonder why Conway keeps running his mouth the last few days..

[Mandysmom]

Exactly! The rest is smoke and mirrors. The question is how and why did he find Caylee's remains. Think outside the box. JMO.

Okay now you've lost me totally. I thought you said RK wasn't credible. LS was responding to that post right?

If not, maybe I had one too many krispy kremes this morning. lol

:w00t:

[starling]

When did this happen??? I LOVE Megyn Kelly! Anyone have a link so I can see it!? Thanks so very much!

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

[trt]

If God could step in and change anythng at any time ,surely he'd have stepped in and stopped the act of murder BeFORE it occurred , and many other horrendous sad things that happen daily to we human beings who walk the earth while you know who is ruling it in our time of being tested.

Many who believe in God (especially the Christian God) do not believe that He interferes with free will(that we have it for a reason). For this reason, Casey couldn't be stopped, but that doesn't stop fate(or god or angels or Mr. Kronk's deceased wife...whatever you believe) from guiding a good hearted soul to little Caylee.

JMO

[ruth66]

Just doing damage control, before the damage.. or maybe giving somoene an idea.

Yes like the comment "someone could run right up to me right now and take my briefcase with the pictures in it" (paraphrasing) but that too sounded like an invitation....

JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

Snipped for response.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss:


WOW, JUST WOW.

Try looking at it from another perspective Joolz. Just maybe when something sounds too good, it could be. OR maybe this....

IF IT SMELLS LIKE A FISH, THERE MIGHT BE A STINKER BEHIND IT....

:w00t:

His stories change and that is easily seen on VIDEO JOOLZ. Perhaps the honesty rule should carry the day.

I have not dismissed the idea he was tipped off, but if he is just a man who was hoping to make some money and find Caylee, then fine. Everyone else involved has cashed in as far as I am concerned.

JMO.

[spiritwolf46]

snipped respectfully

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

Hiya Joolz! I totally agree with this post!

[AlohaRainbow]

ITA Willow. I just got here and watched the interview, and am now trying to catch up. Sorry, but my blood pressure is already zipping up - why the HE!! are people sliming Kronk? What is so freaking suspicious about him discovering the remains? I DON'T SEE IT.

The man solved this miserable POS case. Don't care about his past (which turns out to be a big nothing), don't care if he was a PI or a bounty hunter or a freaking cannibal. Don't care if he returned to the scene because he was obsessed with this case LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD. Don't care if he's in it for the reward (which I don't believe, BTW).

HE FOUND CAYLEE'S REMAINS. Period.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss::cuss:
to me, the fact that kronk had a problem in the apst/arrest for kidnapping (athough it was expunged and wouldn't be i the pubic record) makes him more credible. who would put themselves in the position of being examined by the press/public in such a high profile case if they were not on the up-and-up?

[Anakerie]

No one. LE didn't follow up on the tip from Kronk. The Anthony's have lied to everyone. Actually, no one is credible, and maybe it's just me, but I think I would go back to the original 911 calls.

The car smells like a damm body has been in it. In a twisted sort of way, Casey is probably the most credible person because at least we know she can't be believed.

she works at Universal. Wait, no she doesn't. She has two cell phones, but lost her sim card. She dropped Caylee off at Zanny's house (and Zanny the Nanny doesn't exist). so in a twisted way, Casey is the most credible. JMO.
:lol: You're kidding, right? Casey? Credible? Uhm... NO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Okay now you've lost me totally. I thought you said RK wasn't credible. LS was responding to that post right?

If not, maybe I had one too many krispy kremes this morning. lol

:w00t:

Put the BOX DOWN and back away now. It promises to get worse....:scared:

[CANDYKISSES]

:lol: You're kidding, right? Casey? Credible? Uhm... NO.

Well, now she did tell the truth about her name....:blushing:

[Pooh]

Oh, sorry. I did not know this was discussed yesterday.:blushing:

Never mind.

No worries!! It's a ligitmate question, that's for sure. Posters found links to NeJames' public statement about why he quit. It was pretty lengthy. I'm sure it's in the Links thread if you want to read it. He mentioned a lot of reasons, one being that he didn't want anything to do with Casey's defense. Seems pretty coincidental that he quit right after the making of that tape.

[spiritwolf46]

http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

You are awesome, starling! Thank you!

[steffaroob4]

Doesn't that make one wonder where Dr. Baden is getting his info? :wink:

From the look of all the crime scene pictures, with flags all over the place, he is wrong. I would agree that some of the remains might have been in the bag, but Dr. G was very careful and did NOT mention any animal activty on the bones, which I believe there was, I think she was trying to be kind to the family. The bones were scattered, I think the smaller bones would have been a lot more easily scattered by the water.

[trt]

ignore away, I don't ignore people.



I do hope others will answer this, I've been mulling my question over in my own head too: Who, in all of this, do you think has been credible?

I see a couple people already have, thank you. I'm still trying to figure out who, if anyone, is

LE...that is the only reason I can give Mr. Kronk the benefit of the doubt, because LE doesn't have a reason not to believe him at this point. They are the ONLY ones in this case who have had Caylee's interests and justice for her death at heart. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I think we sometimes forget that a second search was done by TES the previous weekend. We also had GSJ in the area and from what I have read her group found bones, dog bones. LE was responding to many calls and finding nothing.

Frankly I am disgusted by a police officer that would not check out any tip to the best of his abilities.

If there is any fault here, it needs to be put on at the feet of a police officer that didn't check out a tip all the way. If that officer looked into that bag that day and found nothing that would be one thing. But for him not to look is wrong. I understand all the calls that were dead ends but that isn't an excuse for not checking something out.

If that officer couldn't reach that bag, he should have called someone else, Kronk can not be blamed for the actions of the ONE officer.

I've been thinking that right along, steff, since Kronk's story first came out. I am convinced also that more/better evidence may have been available IF those remains were found in August. :angry:

[joolz]

(snipped)

In a twisted sort of way, Casey is probably the most credible person because at least we know she can't be believed.

she works at Universal. Wait, no she doesn't. She has two cell phones, but lost her sim card. She dropped Caylee off at Zanny's house (and Zanny the Nanny doesn't exist). so in a twisted way, Casey is the most credible. JMO.

Is this an example of what you mean when you tell poster to think outside the box?:ohmy:

[Mamie]

to me, the fact that kronk had a problem in the apst/arrest for kidnapping (athough it was expunged and wouldn't be i the pubic record) makes him more credible. who would put themselves in the position of being examined by the press/public in such a high profile case if they were not on the up-and-up?


Great point!!

[Anakerie]

Until we get to trial I don't think any of us know for sure what condition the bag was in. Last evening on Greta's Michael Baden said the body was contained in the bag. I know we heard other reports before and I know he's not on the prosecution team. But we simply do not know for sure.

He said her whole body was contained inside the bag. Greta's show last nite. No need for people to post links saying otherwise. I've already read the otherwise stories of trail of bones, etc. I'm just repeating what Baden told Greta last nite.
You're right that there is no way for anyone "out here" to know what the condition of the bag is/was. For all we know it could have been partially shredded by animals or by getting dragged over rocks, branches and stuff.

I'm guessing that her whole body was in the bag when she was dumped there. But the careful sifting of the dirt and the vegetation says that there were bones outside the bag. Remember back when they were sifting the dirt, they extended the search times and the search area at least a couple times because they'd found more remains...

[SavannahStar]

Wow, I can't believe I have been here all morning!!! Time for lunch. I need to stay away for awhile. I need to take care of business!!!

Thanks for chatting and sharing your insights.

Bye for now. I love your siggy. Thank YOU for your courteous posts! :seeya:

[WillowInFlight]

Okay now you've lost me totally. I thought you said RK wasn't credible. LS was responding to that post right?

If not, maybe I had one too many krispy kremes this morning. lol

:w00t:
That'll teach you to stick to Dunkin Donuts. LOL. When the call came in to LE in December who was it that made the call, if I remember it wasn't Kronk but his supervisor? Then Kronk got on the phone?

[Dunlurken]

Okay now you've lost me totally. I thought you said RK wasn't credible. LS was responding to that post right?

If not, maybe I had one too many krispy kremes this morning. lol

:w00t:

RK is not credible IMO. Why go on GMA without a lawyer sitting next to him? He's in way over his head. They all are.

Bottom line.... Casey killed Caylee. Who helped with the cover-up and recovery, we might never know. JMO.

Keep your eye on the prize everyone. Justice for little Caylee! :rose:

[WillowInFlight]

Well, now she did tell the truth about her name....:blushing:

Yes she did, and she did prove she knows how to dial 911.

[WillowInFlight]

RK is not credible IMO. Why go on GMA without a lawyer sitting next to him? He's in way over his head. They all are.

Bottom line.... Casey killed Caylee. Who helped with the cover-up and recovery, we might never know. JMO.

Keep your eye on the prize everyone. Justice for little Caylee! :rose:
Is there a link stating his lawyer wasn't there?

[steffaroob4]

I agree, he did a good interview. Surprised me that his lawyer was not sitting by his side. Even if the L was out of camera range, it did not appear he looked to him before he answered questions. JMO

That's a great point. I wonder if that was a deliberate move. The first thing people wonder is why someone has a lawyer next to them. Something tells me Mr. Kronk has very smart legal counsel.

[Dunlurken]

That'll teach you to stick to Dunkin Donuts. LOL. When the call came in to LE in December who was it that made the call, if I remember it wasn't Kronk but his supervisor? Then Kronk got on the phone?

Yeah, the dude "Scott" that lives a couple of houses away. JMO.

[daHawg]

Somebody was wrong on that front! There are pros & cons on whether the meter reader is reliable. But just reading these posts, it is easy to see how the story has gotten out of control. We will not know the true story until we see the LE interview. Since LE seems to be supporting him at this point, I will believe he is reliable. If LE comes out with something different, then I will change my mind. JMOHe didn't stay anonymous because he was the one who came out. The news media tried to find out who he was and thought they had his name but it turned out the had the wrong name. So he was the one who actually came forward to the media not LE releasing his name to the media. I agree with you I want to see LE 's reports before I deem him completely reliable and all. Like I have said before it will all come out in the wash and I sure hope he is on the up and up because if he isn't then God help little Caylee's Justice.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Let's think about the rewards and interview money.

You are a co-worker/family member/best friend/lawyer f Roy Kronk. You know the whole back story of the events of the calls to LE and discovery.

Would you tell your friend he desreves a reward?

Would you advise your friend to do a narrow interview to get some basic facts out and make some money, just incase you loose your job?

Do you think your friend would benifit from getting some facts out and lay to rest some speculation?

What you tell you buddy?

I would tell him to stay quiet until after the trial. His real friends know his character, strangers opinions are less important at the moment, and somehow the money issues will work themselves out in due time.
jmo

[summer4meplz]

Tim Miller. Roy Kronk.

Maybe Mark Nejame. Maybe.


not sure about Kronk but I would add Rev. Grund and Jesse, Amy and ToneL...

[Neffy]

ITA Willow. I just got here and watched the interview, and am now trying to catch up. Sorry, but my blood pressure is already zipping up - why the HE!! are people sliming Kronk? What is so freaking suspicious about him discovering the remains? I DON'T SEE IT.

The man solved this miserable POS case. Don't care about his past (which turns out to be a big nothing), don't care if he was a PI or a bounty hunter or a freaking cannibal. Don't care if he returned to the scene because he was obsessed with this case LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD. Don't care if he's in it for the reward (which I don't believe, BTW).

HE FOUND CAYLEE'S REMAINS. Period.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss:


ITA! :thumbsup:

[Mandysmom]

ignore away, I don't ignore people.



I do hope others will answer this, I've been mulling my question over in my own head too: Who, in all of this, do you think has been credible?

I see a couple people already have, thank you. I'm still trying to figure out who, if anyone, is

My short list:

Shirley Plesea
Rick Plesea
Yuri Melich
John Allen
Brian Burner
Amy Huizenga
Tony Lazarro
Tim Miller
Mark Nejames
Sheriff Beary
Dr. G.

[Mandysmom]

not sure about Kronk but I would add Rev. Grund and Jesse, Amy and ToneL...

I forgot about Jesse and Richard Grund. Yes I think both they and Roy Kronk are credible.

[daHawg]

I knew I liked Megyn Kelley! Unlike virtually every other media person who has interviewed Cindy, Megyn called her on her stuff and actually made the point that the media was doing more to try to help find Caylee than her own family was!

Thanks for that, happy. I hadn't seen it either.

Just using your post for a jump off and I so agree. Look how Cindy went on a pity party that same night with Greta. We all remember this performance don't we? :rolleyes:

http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=2521568&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,388741,00.html

[Dunlurken]

Shaking my head. Where are you getting this from? Casey is most credible? She's a pathological liar. Twist whatever you want, still makes her a liar aka not credible.

imo :huh:

Her testimony albeit via jail house interviews will sink her ship. Welcome aboard. JMO. LE did good on this one. Casey doesn't have to testify because we already have her words. JMO.

[Anakerie]

I agree, he did a good interview. Surprised me that his lawyer was not sitting by his side. Even if the L was out of camera range, it did not appear he looked to him before he answered questions. JMO
LOL... Your post reminded me of watching Drew Peterson getting interviewed while sitting next to Joel Brodsky. Now THOSE interviews were unbelievable. Mr. Kronk seemed to be a bit nervous, but then who wouldn't be nervous sitting in front of the cameras, but he had no hesitations, he didn't seem to be looking to anyone for "permission" to answer. I believe he is what he says he is. Unfortunately, as he said, "no good deed goes unpunished"....

[happygert]

Here's a nice recap of Cindy's smoke on NG from July 17th.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0807/17/ng.01.html

I can hope and pray no IMMUNITY and D.A's office get every single statement made from cindy and uses it....

[desmom]

Is there a link stating his lawyer wasn't there?

OS reported yesterday http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,1156882.story

Roy Kronk and his attorney, David Evans, are flying to New York City today.

[Regina.Lampert]

What in the heck is Conway talking about... turn over phone records later.. It won't crack the case.. Does it won't crack the case actually translate to.. This isn't going to be what bust us? Casey is already busted so cracking the case, must mean the case against them??

I know Tam, crazy.....and if Conway actually thinks LE "needs" them to turn over phone records, rather then getting a warrant or subpoena and getting them from the phone companies, he's out of his league in this case, imo.

[trich]

ITA Willow. I just got here and watched the interview, and am now trying to catch up. Sorry, but my blood pressure is already zipping up - why the HE!! are people sliming Kronk? What is so freaking suspicious about him discovering the remains? I DON'T SEE IT.

The man solved this miserable POS case. Don't care about his past (which turns out to be a big nothing), don't care if he was a PI or a bounty hunter or a freaking cannibal. Don't care if he returned to the scene because he was obsessed with this case LIKE EVERYONE ELSE ON THIS BOARD. Don't care if he's in it for the reward (which I don't believe, BTW).

HE FOUND CAYLEE'S REMAINS. Period.

IMO, the conspiracy theorists about his involvement sound idiotic, and whoever is using Greta as an arbitor, please try to remember she is on the same station as Geraldo who had his disgusting and slanderous "oops" Kronk moment the other day.

For everyone who is salivating in an attempt to see Kronk as a piece of a giant Anthony-related puzzle, try looking up Occam's Razor: Casey did it. Alone. If she had help afterwards, it wasn't from some "she told Lee who told the PI who told Kronk's supervisor who asked the Anthonys who told the oher PI who contacted Kronk who... blablabla." Nonsense!:cuss::cuss::cuss:

I agree.
Too many are trying to make something out of nothing.
Kronk found the body ....he did not kill Caylee...
I think many are falling into the trap that the defense might be trying to set ....trying to take the focus off Casey who did kill Caylee.
I also think it is a sad state of affairs when some are trying to find something wrong with anyone concerning this case who did the right thing or is trying to do the right thing.
Get real folks this is about Casey killing her own daughter Caylee and why do we have to attack anyone that was unfortunate to be dragged into it by circumstances.
Don't let all the lies that the Anthonys have told trying to blame everyone but Casey confuse the issue.

[Mandysmom]

RK is not credible IMO. Why go on GMA without a lawyer sitting next to him? He's in way over his head. They all are.

Bottom line.... Casey killed Caylee. Who helped with the cover-up and recovery, we might never know. JMO.

Keep your eye on the prize everyone. Justice for little Caylee! :rose:

I believe he is credible. LE believes he is credible, evidently. I would think that going on GMA with his lawyer was to keep from saying anything that might hurt the case.

I certainly would get legal advice before opening my mouth.

[Neffy]

Mellich & Allen. Carlos Padilla.

Sheriff Beary.

Yes YURI and Carlos without a doubt!

[WillowInFlight]

OS reported yesterday http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,1156882.story

Roy Kronk and his attorney, David Evans, are flying to New York City today.

Thank You, so his lawyer was with him.

[nana6]

July 21 http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist

wow, did she ever let Cindy have it!!! Good. I missed that one somehow. Way back then, 1 week after Casey is in jail it is plain for me to see that Cindy does not want to answer ANY questions pertaining to Casey's behavior.

[kitty1182]

I believe he is credible. LE believes he is credible, evidently. I would think that going on GMA with his lawyer was to keep from saying anything that might hurt the case.

I certainly would get legal advice before opening my mouth.



Me too Sissy..If I had went into those woods with a shovel and someone had seen me, I would call my lawyer ASAP!!

[Mandysmom]

Yeah, the dude "Scott" that lives a couple of houses away. JMO.

Did you see the link yesterday showing the neighbors on Hopespring Drive with the names Zenaida and Gonzales?

Talk about creepy and strange. Caylee's remains were found between the two houses in the back.

[RiverWalk]

Yes I think that's possible. I believe some of the jurors will buy that too. But I don't believe all of them will buy it and all the defense has to put doubt into the mind of is ONE and Casey will walk.

Reasonable doubt in the mind of ONE juror. that is all the defense needs.

How many twists and turns and contradictions to the Kronk story have we heard so far? Anyone who thinks ALL 12 jurors will buy all of them together is kidding themselves.

he called the caylee tip line 3X's in august but didn't know what was in the garbage bag.
It was his route, it was his ex route but not his route at the time of the find.
That particular garbage bag was suspicious enough to call the Caylee tip line, but no other garbage bags were suspect in his daily life.
The operator told him he could remain annonymous and he blurts out "Not if they find the body!"
He has worked as a bounty hunter, no wait that's a bogus story too. it's true, it's not true.

Dunlurkin brings up valid questions. Picture us chatters as jurors discussing this. You couldn't just brush away the find with God. Nope doesn't work for me even though I believe in God. In man's court I want explanations. I want proof. I want evidence.

This Kronk story not only begs to live in the doubtful area, it's not reasonable by any stretch.

Tell one story. Make it real and move on. If they can't do that Casey will get away with murder. That's what the pros not explaining this story will get. A not guilty verdict or a hung jury. If they can't explain it, why spend the money for the trial? They BETTER get their ducks in a row. Can't push this Kronk find aside. It's central to their case.

After these people being recorded lying, confessing to giving false stories even to 911, then this WEIRD story of the body-find?

My my oh my. I think the pros is kidding themselves if they think the jury will buy this. No, GOD did not find her. Kronk the meter reader did. Not once, but FOUR TIMES.

Mr. Kronk had ONE sighting and called 3 times to get LE to respond.

Mr. Kronk has spoken publicly TWICE. Once at his press conference and then today on GMA.

MOO

[Dunlurken]

Prosecution will lose this case if they don't answer questions for jury about the coincidental way this body was called in 4X's in 4 months prior to the discovery. I'm talking the DNA ID.

12 jurors. Defense only needs to put doubt into the mind of just one.

There are so many questions surrounding that bizarre story of the body-find. Pros better get their story straight and make it stick or Casey will walk.

I'm afraid of that too. Baez is turning out to be a better attorney then I ever gave him credit for. Or else prosecution is a bunch of bafoons who might just allow Casey to walk. JMO.

[RockStarGirl]

I know Tam, crazy.....and if Conway actually thinks LE "needs" them to turn over phone records, rather then getting a warrant or subpoena and getting them from the phone companies, he's out of his league in this case, imo.

What I want to know is how are the Anthony's phone records going to help? What do their phone records have to do with the PI that was looking for the body a month before it was found unless it was one of the Anthonys that he was talking to?

[Dunlurken]

Please... please get your facts straight.

Roy Kronk's attorney was with him off camera.



I was unaware Kronk's attorney was there. Do you have a link proving it?

[freejason]

Megyn Keely is my new favorite newsperson.............you gotta' love that girl for the way she handled Cindy....not many have the nerve to do that.

[Mandysmom]

Me too Sissy..If I had went into those woods with a shovel and someone had seen me, I would call my lawyer ASAP!!
IIRC you were already lawyered up and ready to go. LOL:thumbsup:

[Neffy]

Until we get to trial I don't think any of us know for sure what condition the bag was in. Last evening on Greta's Michael Baden said the body was contained in the bag. I know we heard other reports before and I know he's not on the prosecution team. But we simply do not know for sure.

He said her whole body was contained inside the bag. Greta's show last nite. No need for people to post links saying otherwise. I've already read the otherwise stories of trail of bones, etc. I'm just repeating what Baden told Greta last nite.


Interesting. I don't believe Baden was on the list of approved experts to have viewed those pics if that's what happened. Someone will leak out info and I hope the state is there to catch them and nail Baez.

[funkyflower]

Post#708, whoever posted this link: http://www.foxnews.com/video/index.html?playerId=videolandingpage&streamingFormat=FLASH&referralObject=2503541&referralPlaylistId=playlist Thank you! It was THE BEST interview so far with Cindy. :thumbsup:

[joolz]

joolz, You're convinced the body-find begs no questions.

3 calls to caylee tip line in August.
4th call in December when body is found.

That needs to be explained by the prosecution or they will lose this case no matter what one person thinks. Try to understand there will be 12 on the jury and they won't all think like you.

At least one juror will want to know why he thought that particular dead baby's body was in that particular bag. 4 months before anybody knew.


All twelve jurors won't and shouldn't think the way I do. But I don't believe that will stop them from convicting Casey. And that is what the trial is going to be about. Not who found the body or how or why or what anyone covered up after the murder.

I don't happen to believe there is anything suspicious about Kronk (as I'm sure you know), but that doesn't matter. It's a murder trial that is about one thing and one thing only: Casey Anthony is accused of killing Caylee Anthony.

[kate482000]

That interview really, really highlighted Cindy's abrasive personality and her belief that she can control everything going on around her. Amazing. Imo

ITA..I found it so hard to listen to her without wanting to give her a good slap and tell her to wake up...yet I am fascinated with every aspect of this case and have to listen to her carp....I am seriously doubting that anyone is delusional in this family but are actually insane.:thumbdown:

[tulpje]

Thank You, so his lawyer was with him.




Of course his lawyer was with him.
Did you also notice this interview was taped, it was not a life interview.
Maybe that was a stipulation from his lawyer, so they could edit out what ever the lawyer felt was necessary.

[nothingnew]

Why do people believe anything that comes from Lenny?

He's more than willing to take the lie detector exam? He admits when he's wrong? I, personally, have never seen him drunk/medicated on television? Those are reasons I give Lenny an ear but I do not believe "anything" or more accurately "everything" that comes from him, I still will balance everything else on my own. He's been more accurate than other fan favorites like Tim who chapped my hide everytime he promoted a "biggest search ever" than dropped out a day or 2 later saying Caylee would never be found because by now she would be just small bones, guess he forgot about the skull-bone. I like the work he does but i really wanted to smack him whenever they replayed his "soundbite" of Caylee never being found. (I know his heart is in the right place). My point is if Lenny got into the investigation/recovery business because of a murdered relative his motives would not be questioned to quite this extent. I think he is brilliant at what he does, I've met a few bounty hunters and the ones I have met can "relate" to all sorts, comes with the territory.

[Katprint]

Question for you Katprint. Don't some states have a three judge panel as well? Or is that considered a bench trial too? TIA!
I have not seen the three judge panel at the trial level. On appeal, there are complicated procedures where sometimes a panel of appellate judges of a particular jurisdiction hears a matter rather than the entire appellate court, and sometimes then there is a petition for rehearing "en banc" i.e. by the entire appellate court. Really complicated boring stuff and not particularly relevant to the Casey Anthony case, at least not yet.

Katprint
Who has not yet "seen it all"
Always only my own opinions

[Mandysmom]

But what can we say about the medical errors where people die due to being misdiagnosed because a rad is reading 5000 films a day and skims though them like a bad book, missing pathology that ultimately kills the unsuspecting victim. What about the expectant lady who sees a green walk sign, walks and the driver was sidetracked by their own crying baby and kills the walkers baby in that had never been delivered and causes the walker herslef to have full paralysis .


I just don't get it

And you never will. Some things are beyond our comprehension. Just like Casey killing her precious little Caylee.

I don't get that.

[steffaroob4]

I would tell him to stay quiet until after the trial. His real friends know his character, strangers opinions are less important at the moment, and somehow the money issues will work themselves out in due time.
jmo

Wow, I can't believe we have different opinions on this.

I would tell him, get the basics of his story out and make some money at the same time. Better to have some cash on hand incase something happens with your job. He just admitted to resting on the job on national tv. I think the others have been taking money for interviews, I would see noting wrong with my friend getting some money for all the grief he has taken so far, with more to come.

[Anakerie]

Mellich & Allen. Carlos Padilla.

Sheriff Beary.
Thank you! Those are the ones I was thinking of!

[tvdinners]

Yeah I noticed that. Also Cindy got a call right before this interview about a Caylee sighting. :rolleyes: Wonder how many times that has been said?

jmo

not a sighting but from someone who said, in effect, that they had just seen the missing child story for the first time and knew nothing about it prior to that.

[Motomom]

OMG - the day Cindy takes the stand I'm taking the day off work to watch. Heck, I'll have to take a leave of absence! :biggrin:

I don't know how they are going to control her on the stand. She is going to ramble on and on and on.. IMO I bet you won't get any straight up yes or no answers out of her.

[nana6]

I think he's probably credible but I think this story will put doubt in at least one juror's mind and they'll lose the case if they don't clear up the coincidences of it for the jurors. It has all the earmarks of losing the case for them unless they get it explained. besides he's credible. period. that won't work. god intervened won't work. the jurors need evidence, explanation.

well hopefully he is a man of good morals and will do the right thing. Tell the truth. I believe him. I also believe the PI was talking tosomeone at the A's home or LEE when he said it should be just about here. Saying that m akes me know that someone told him just where Caylee was and I think it was LEE> IMO

[Dunlurken]

Didn't get this from your previous post at all.

Combine that with all her actions before and after, a conviction. JMO

I'm still trying to understand why you claimed Caylee was not in a bag? Where are you getting that from? A credible story that I may have missed?

The ME's autopsy. Proved that the bones were scattered around by animals. Had been in the woods/swamp for months. JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't know how they are going to control her on the stand. She is going to ramble on and on and on.. IMO I bet you won't get any straight up yes or no answers out of her.

I think the prosecution will let her know who is in charge rather quickly.

[SwFlorida]

Okay, shoot me! Good Lord!

I was unaware Kronk's attorney was there. Do you have a link proving it?


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-011209,0,1156882.story

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree.
Too many are trying to make something out of nothing.
Kronk found the body ....he did not kill Caylee...
I think many are falling into the trap that the defense might be trying to set ....trying to take the focus off Casey who did kill Caylee.
I also think it is a sad state of affairs when some are trying to find something wrong with anyone concerning this case who did the right thing or is trying to do the right thing.
Get real folks this is about Casey killing her own daughter Caylee and why do we have to attack anyone that was unfortunate to be dragged into it by circumstances.
Don't let all the lies that the Anthonys have told trying to blame everyone but Casey confuse the issue.


I have read nothing suggesting Mr. Kronk killed Caylee. Where is that coming from?

That said, you have posters interjecting themselves into cases, detectives posting on messageboards, witnesses posting on messageboards, lies all over the place and you don't think it's okay to question something that on its face sounds UNBELIEVABLE?

Oh well....:closedeyes:

[WillowInFlight]

The ME's autopsy. Proved that the bones were scattered around by animals. Had been in the woods/swamp for months. JMO.

You just don't get it do you?

[starling]

Cindy looks down & so many "ums" when answering Greta about Caylee's father
(about 1/3 way into video)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CYy30_Jxx1c&feature=related

[Peter]

wow, did she ever let Cindy have it!!! Good. I missed that one somehow. Way back then, 1 week after Casey is in jail it is plain for me to see that Cindy does not want to answer ANY questions pertaining to Casey's behavior.


Did you notice how Cindy said the 14th of June? before it was the ninth, in that interview Cindy said the 14th! She does NOT want to get close to the date Cindy and casey had the so called fight. (the 15th).


Hi y'all

[Dunlurken]

It could've been weird circumstances. It fell in Baez' team lap in my opinion. It could win the case for them if the prosecution doesn't get their ducks in a row and explain it in court.

The kronk 4X's finds is the biggest windfall the defense team could have hoped for. I know if two people like you and I were on that jury we'd want some answers and it would be reasonable to expect it. We're not the only two people on the planet who question the hoop-la, either.

Prosecution has their work cut out for them. JMO.

[court~critic1®]

I agree.
Too many are trying to make something out of nothing.
Kronk found the body ....he did not kill Caylee...
I think many are falling into the trap that the defense might be trying to set ....trying to take the focus off Casey who did kill Caylee.
I also think it is a sad state of affairs when some are trying to find something wrong with anyone concerning this case who did the right thing or is trying to do the right thing.
Get real folks this is about Casey killing her own daughter Caylee and why do we have to attack anyone that was unfortunate to be dragged into it by circumstances.
Don't let all the lies that the Anthonys have told trying to blame everyone but Casey confuse the issue.


IMOHOO they have succeed. Just look at all the posters on here blameing RK. Unbelieveable.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't know how they are going to control her on the stand. She is going to ramble on and on and on.. IMO I bet you won't get any straight up yes or no answers out of her.

I think you can take that to the bank and get cash even in today's market motomom. JMO. :scared:

[Duckaroo]

KC was the last person seen with Caylee Alive.
KC blamed Zanny, along with her sister..there was no mention of Kronk there.
Caylee's Hair and stains were found in KC's car trunk
KC killed Caylee imo
KC never came forward and admitted it, she was perfectly willing to let that little baby's body lie there for all eternity and it was starting to feel like that's what would happen, she'd never be found.
Kronk found Caylee..he reported it to the police, he's openly admitted to his past.
IMO I don't find anything suspicious that would warrant me looking at this man with any negativity, I'm sure I could be wrong, but as of now I think he should receive nothing but appreciation for finding this baby. I'd just hate to see people in the future having a reason to look back at this case and Kronk and feeling deterred from helping with searches or coming forward with info in cases like this, out of fear they will be looked at with suspicion or accused of anything.

[Dunlurken]

You just don't get it do you?

I guess not. Splain to it to me please. JMO.

[Pooh]

I have not seen the three judge panel at the trial level. On appeal, there are complicated procedures where sometimes a panel of appellate judges of a particular jurisdiction hears a matter rather than the entire appellate court, and sometimes then there is a petition for rehearing "en banc" i.e. by the entire appellate court. Really complicated boring stuff and not particularly relevant to the Casey Anthony case, at least not yet.

Katprint
Who has not yet "seen it all"
Always only my own opinions

Gosh - all this time I thought there was such a thing! LOL! What a goof! I just googled it and found instances at the appellate level. That must be where I got it but mistakenly thought it was used at the trial level too. Glad I asked you. Thanks!!

[happygert]

Prosecution will lose this case if they don't answer questions for jury about the coincidental way this body was called in 4X's in 4 months prior to the discovery. I'm talking the DNA ID.

12 jurors. Defense only needs to put doubt into the mind of just one.

There are so many questions surrounding that bizarre story of the body-find. Pros better get their story straight and make it stick or Casey will walk.

NO WAY will they lose this case..
1) smell in car.
2) hair in trunk
3) evidence from A's house
4) evidence from crime scene
5) 31 days not reporting her missing
6) Lie's about the nanny.
7) computer searches
8) where the body was located
9) duct tape on mouth
10) LIES to LE too many to list
11) evidence from maggots
12) evidence from bug at scene
13) evidence from roots and plants
14) chloroform in trunk
15) cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard.
so much more and a LOT MORE that we don't know yet..

ITS not the PROS who have to get there STORIES STRAIGHT IT"S the A'S and the DEFENSE none of the PROS HAVE LIED IN THIS CASE ITS the other side who have done nothing but LIE and ASK FOR IMMUNITY!

[steffaroob4]

LOL... Your post reminded me of watching Drew Peterson getting interviewed while sitting next to Joel Brodsky. Now THOSE interviews were unbelievable. Mr. Kronk seemed to be a bit nervous, but then who wouldn't be nervous sitting in front of the cameras, but he had no hesitations, he didn't seem to be looking to anyone for "permission" to answer. I believe he is what he says he is. Unfortunately, as he said, "no good deed goes unpunished"....

Good point, I also find the it very telling that his co-workers kept his name out of the news for over a week. The same people LP is trying desperately to link into a daisy chain conspiracy. Then we have Mr. Kronk stepping foward asking the media, who were camped out infront of one of his co-worker's houses with bad info/speculation, to leave his fellow workers alone during the holidays. I find him very believable.

[nana6]

The ME's autopsy. Proved that the bones were scattered around by animals. Had been in the woods/swamp for months. JMO.

Hi Dun, I just assumed that Caylee was in the bag and that the animals got into the bag and scattered her bones no?

[Pooh]

I don't know how they are going to control her on the stand. She is going to ramble on and on and on.. IMO I bet you won't get any straight up yes or no answers out of her.

I bet you're right. I hope the prosecutor in charge of her testimony takes a valium before he/she starts questioning her. They're gonna need the help of modern medicine to keep from losing it!

[Roux]

joolz, You're convinced the body-find begs no questions.

3 calls to caylee tip line in August.
4th call in December when body is found.

That needs to be explained by the prosecution or they will lose this case no matter what one person thinks. Try to understand there will be 12 on the jury and they won't all think like you.

At least one juror will want to know why he thought that particular dead baby's body was in that particular bag. 4 months before anybody knew.

I know one can never tell about a jury, but how in the world can any right thinking person get over the fact that Casey was last with Caylee, her lies, her behavior. That, along with the forensic evidence which we haven't yet seen, will be the critical elements for the prosecution to argue. Really, I can't see how Mr. Kronk is going to help the defense but I haven't yet read atty Schaeffer's comment that I saw linked.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yes, Florida permits defendants, even defendants facing life in prison without possibility of parole or the death penalty, to waive their state and federal constitutional right to a trial by jury. For example, double-murderer Andrew Allred pled guilty and waived his right to a jury trial, and even asked not to be present when the judge decided his sentence. http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/5/17/allred_waives_right_to_jury_trial_for_oviedo_murde rs.html

But defendants can also waive their right to a jury trial without pleading guilty, in which case the judge conducts a "bench trial" where the judge takes the place of the jury to decide guilt and, if the death penalty is on the table, whether to impose LWOP or the death penalty. Sometimes a bench trial is a good strategic decision in cases where the victim is especially sympathetic (child, elderly woman, handicapped) and the crime is especially heinous (murder in a particularly painful or gruesome manner, additional inflammatory but largely irrelevant facts such as necrophilia or cannibalism or satanic ritual, etc.) Most criminal judges have "seen it all" and so they should be more able to set aside irrelevant inflammatory facts and will be less likely to be unduly influenced by their emotions. However, those same criminal judges may have imposed the death penalty before so they may be more willing to impose it again than normal jurors who have never really thought about whether they should cause someone to die.

As was previously suggested by the President of the Florida Criminal Bar Association, Casey could change her plea to guilty right now, before the death penalty is added based on some further damning evidence discovered on the duct tape or in Casey's car trunk or in the Anthony residence or at the scene where Caylee's body was dumped. As I understand Florida law (which is not my area of expertise), the prosecution could not stop her from pleading guilty to the charges as they now stand, waiving her right to a jury trial, and asking the judge to sentence her to LWOP.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

O/T Example of Bench Trial in Murder Case w/o change of venue

Shawn Bentler Found Guilty of Murdering Family
http://www.kcrg.com/news/local/7664187.html

[Anakerie]

Thank you for this moment of levity. You cracked me up with this one. :)
lol, She got me laughing on that one too.. I had to walk outside for a smoke to keep from typing what I really thought about what she said... LOL

[ishkabibble]

ITA..I found it so hard to listen to her without wanting to give her a good slap and tell her to wake up...yet I am fascinated with every aspect of this case and have to listen to her carp....I am seriously doubting that anyone is delusional in this family but are actually insane.:thumbdown:

and not an hour before she went on the air she had a tip from Georgia about Caylee being spotted. After Caylee is found she will be happy to sit down and discuss the who, what, when etc. She just doesn't understand that people are not just gonna ignore the fact that Caylee was supposedly missing for 31 days before it was reported and Casey has continued to LIE about her whereabouts. No one is gonna seriously look for a child, when the grandmother states her monter knows where she is but isn't saying. GMAB

[WillowInFlight]

NO WAY will they lose this case..
1) smell in car.
2) hair in trunk
3) evidence from A's house
4) evidence from crime scene
5) 31 days not reporting her missing
6) Lie's about the nanny.
7) computer searches
8) where the body was located
9) duct tape on mouth
10) LIES to LE too many to list
11) evidence from maggots
12) evidence from bug at scene
13) evidence from roots and plants
14) chloroform in trunk
15) cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard.
so much more and a LOT MORE that we don't know yet..

ITS not the PROS who have to get there STORIES STRAIGHT IT"S the A'S and the DEFENSE none of the PROS HAVE LIED IN THIS CASE ITS the other side who have done nothing but LIE and ASK FOR IMMUNITY!

ITA, Casey will never walk free again. IMO

[nana6]

NO WAY will they lose this case..
1) smell in car.
2) hair in trunk
3) evidence from A's house
4) evidence from crime scene
5) 31 days not reporting her missing
6) Lie's about the nanny.
7) computer searches
8) where the body was located
9) duct tape on mouth
10) LIES to LE too many to list
11) evidence from maggots
12) evidence from bug at scene
13) evidence from roots and plants
14) chloroform in trunk
15) cadaver dogs hitting in the back yard.
so much more and a LOT MORE that we don't know yet..

Hi Gert, Yes Le has so much more than we know. I believe they are keeping so much for trial close to them and that there will be no problem at all in a conviction of 1st degree murder. I believe this strongly.

[Mandysmom]

That'll teach you to stick to Dunkin Donuts. LOL. When the call came in to LE in December who was it that made the call, if I remember it wasn't Kronk but his supervisor? Then Kronk got on the phone?

LOL Yes it will. I do remember that he called the supervisor and told them to get help out there fast.

[Anakerie]

Kronk actually said today he touched the BAG !
Of course he touched the bag! How else did that skull come out of the bag? Levitation?

[SavannahStar]

I have read nothing suggesting Mr. Kronk killed Caylee. Where is that coming from?

That said, you have posters interjecting themselves into cases, detectives posting on messageboards, witnesses posting on messageboards, lies all over the place and you don't think it's okay to question something that on its face sounds UNBELIEVABLE?

Oh well....:closedeyes:

bolding mine

On that, Candy, I could not agree more!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[daHawg]

The 11th was Kronks first day on the route according to his interview today and he had another person with him which I am assuming if it is the same as where I live this other person was showing him the route. Now assuming that it all went down the way Kronk says it did while sitting on the side of the road in the shade. Did he not talk to the other person in the car? I am sure he must have and that person must have seen what he saw because on the call back on the 12th when Kronk is describing it he says "we" found the dead 4ft snake and didn't want to go any further. So this other person has stayed out of the limelight, has le gotten a statement to back up what Kronk saw? These are just some of my questions that I have about him.

[5boxersmom]

not a sighting but from someone who said, in effect, that they had just seen the missing child story for the first time and knew nothing about it prior to that.

Oh I thought it was a sighting. This always seemed to happen before an interview. Someone calls them right before the interview. Not 5 hours before or the day before. It was always right before the interview.

jmo

[Katprint]

I'm afraid of that too. Baez is turning out to be a better attorney then I ever gave him credit for. Or else prosecution is a bunch of bafoons who might just allow Casey to walk. JMO.
It seems unlikely that Baez suddenly got better. Keep in mind that he is being helped now by some very experienced criminal defense attorneys (for example, Linda Kenney Baden) who came to Florida to rescue him.

In the unlikely event that Casey walks on the First Degree Murder, I would expect to see an "OJ Part Two" style prosecution to the fullest extent possible on the identity theft/fraud/forgery charges. There is a certain poetic justice to her spending the rest of her most fertile years - age 25 to age 35 - locked up somewhere so she can't randomly conceive another child.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Mandysmom]

Put the BOX DOWN and back away now. It promises to get worse....:scared:

Maybe I should just throw them away altogether. LOL

This case has me :w00t::ohmy: everyday with all of the crazy twists and turns.

[?noanswer]

Mr. Kronk had ONE sighting and called 3 times to get LE to respond.

Mr. Kronk has spoken publicly TWICE. Once at his press conference and then today on GMA.

MOO

I think LE appeared before he spoke at the press conference. He actually read a statement and then his lawyer made a statement. Does anyone else remember LE at the PC? JMO