Monday January 12 - Part II

[?noanswer]

New Thread if anyone interested. JMO

[really3997]

there are 2 which one

[Cury-us Coyote]

Anthony Family: Former P.I. Trying To Sell Video Of Caylee Site

Meanwhile, the Orange County utility worker who discovered Caylee's remains in December will be interviewed Tuesday by "Good Morning America" and is being paid as much as $20,000 for a picture he took of the wooded area, sources told Local 6 News.

David Evans, the attorney for Roy Kronk, confirmed to Local 6 News that there is a picture of the woods and it has been handed over to law enforcement.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18460959/index.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18463087/index.html

[ConchGirl]

There are two now. :rolleyes:

[?noanswer]

There are two now. :rolleyes:


Always happens. I have notified CW. JMO

[really3997]

I just saw Geraldo video there is a pepsi machine in the back yard I dont think this is an abandoned house at all

[bluwaters]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[5boxersmom]

So does anyone know if it is proven who Caylee's father was and if there is half siblings would they be entitled to any money made from movie and book deals and such?

jmo

[ConchGirl]

Anthony Family: Former P.I. Trying To Sell Video Of Caylee Site

Meanwhile, the Orange County utility worker who discovered Caylee's remains in December will be interviewed Tuesday by "Good Morning America" and is being paid as much as $20,000 for a picture he took of the wooded area, sources told Local 6 News.

David Evans, the attorney for Roy Kronk, confirmed to Local 6 News that there is a picture of the woods and it has been handed over to law enforcement.


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18460959/index.html
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18463087/index.html

Seems like the Anthony's don't want anyone to make money off Caylee but them. imo

[happygert]

So does anyone know if it is proven who Caylee's father was and if there is half siblings would they be entitled to any money made from movie and book deals and such?

jmo

NO dont know.. Too bad it wasn't Jesse ..I'm thinking she looks a lot like Mark Hawkins.. she didnt look like dang cant remember his first name The Ortiz. was his name Jesse to?

[dixielover]

Don't you think that all the movie and books deals will be finalized before KC goes to trial because there could be some legal problems after her conviction. imo I can't imagine how much these deals will be. No author could have made up this story,. imo

[?noanswer]

So does anyone know if it is proven who Caylee's father was and if there is half siblings would they be entitled to any money made from movie and book deals and such?

jmo

I am not aware of any confirmation as to who the father is. JMO

[ConchGirl]

Don't you think that all the movie and books deals will be finalized before KC goes to trial because there could be some legal problems after her conviction. imo I can't imagine how much these deals will be. No author could have made up this story,. imo

Casey did make up this story. If this were a novel I probably would have tossed it by now because it is so unbelievable. They say truth is stranger than fiction. moo

[dixielover]

I am not aware of any confirmation as to who the father is. JMO


I bet there has been alot of guys out there doing some calculations. imo

[5boxersmom]

NO dont know.. Too bad it wasn't Jesse ..I'm thinking she looks a lot like Mark Hawkins.. she didnt look like dang cant remember his first name The Ortiz. was his name Jesse to?

I remember Casey telling someone Caylee had a half sibling. Not that I believe anything Casey ever said, I was just wondering if LE knows who that father is and if there is a half sibling if they would get any of the money.

Would a half sibling be next of kin before the Anthony's?

jmo

[?noanswer]

Don't you think that all the movie and books deals will be finalized before KC goes to trial because there could be some legal problems after her conviction. imo I can't imagine how much these deals will be. No author could have made up this story,. imo

If someone decides to write a book or do a movie based upon what is public knowledge would they have to get permission from the A's? If the A's did the trademark & copyrights as they claim, would that present a problem using information already in the public domain? JMO

[SavannahStar]

If someone decides to write a book or do a movie based upon what is public knowledge would they have to get permission from the A's? If the A's did the trademark & copyrights as they claim, would that present a problem using information already in the public domain? JMO

RUMOR ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is actually a book already started.

[ConchGirl]

There should only be one. There is a sticky from CW.



01-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 439

YOU DECIDED 1 Daily thread and/or a PERTINENT THREAD

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about a specific subject & that the moderator would make the decision.

Polls or questions asking who, what, where or why about something you have no control over or can change or can possibly even know is frivolous and space wasting & is not considered valuable subject.

I sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think we are supposed to start a new thread after 1000 posts. moo

[?noanswer]

There should only be one. There is a sticky from CW.



01-12-2009, 09:54 AM
Coldwater
Moderator Join Date: Aug 2002
Posts: 439

YOU DECIDED 1 Daily thread and/or a PERTINENT THREAD

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about a specific subject & that the moderator would make the decision.

Polls or questions asking who, what, where or why about something you have no control over or can change or can possibly even know is frivolous and space wasting & is not considered valuable subject.

CW has also requested that a new thread be started after the post count reaches 1,000. I don't think there is a problem as long at it is a continuation of the prior thread. I think CW was taling about starting threads with different topics. JMO

[dixielover]

If someone decides to write a book or do a movie based upon what is public knowledge would they have to get permission from the A's? If the A's did the trademark & copyrights as they claim, would that present a problem using information already in the public domain? JMO

I don't know who would give permission-we only know that Casey can't benefit if convicted- I know alot of people made alot of money off of OJ and SP- I always wondered if the family got a %. Will be interesting. imo

[kitty1182]

I sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think we are supposed to start a new thread after 1000 posts. moo



That's what I thought too:confused:

[?noanswer]

There is actually a book already started.

Does the A's know this? If so, wonder what their response is. JMO

[Pooh]

I sure someone will correct me if I'm wrong but I think we are supposed to start a new thread after 1000 posts. moo

That has been her rule since the new forum started. Gosh, it's hard to remember what the old one even looked like now!

[happy2bme]

There is actually a book already started.

I must have missed this. Who is writing the book?

[SavannahStar]

Does the A's know this? If so, wonder what their response is. JMO


I'm sorry that is ONLY A RUMOR and I may have misinterpreted something I read. I think it's too late to edit my post....let me go try.

I apologize.

[?noanswer]

Can someone explain the talk of a "vacant house"? I've been away all weekend and I feel lost. First time I'm reading about this. :confused:
Thank you!

There was a video made by Hoover & Casey, PI's for the A's. Part of it was supposedly made at a vacant house. If you check the link thread #2, I think there is a link to the video. JMO

[ConchGirl]

I'm sorry that is ONLY A RUMOR and I may have misinterpreted something I read. I think it's too late to edit my post....let me go try.

I apologize.

If there is a book I'm sure it will be a really long book to cover all of the lies and characters in this case. moo

[RockStarGirl]

Casey did make up this story. If this were a novel I probably would have tossed it by now because it is so unbelievable. They say truth is stranger than fiction. moo

Good Afternoon ConchGirl. I have been saying this for a couple weeks. I would have thrown it out and proclaimed the author a fruitcake because this scenario/scenarios would have never happened in reality, and yet, here we are. And it just gets stranger everyday.

[SavannahStar]

If there is a book I'm sure it will be a really long book to cover all of the lies and characters in this case. moo

Actually the book I was talking about was to be written (and as I said I may have misinterpreted what I read) by someone totally unconnected with the Anthonys.

[dixielover]

If there is a book I'm sure it will be a really long book to cover all of the lies and characters in this case. moo

It will probably look like the Harry Potter series- everyone gets their seperate book imo

[happygert]

Don't you think that all the movie and books deals will be finalized before KC goes to trial because there could be some legal problems after her conviction. imo I can't imagine how much these deals will be. No author could have made up this story,. imo

IMO this is going to be a LONG, LONG trial once it starts. It will probably be a long time before it ever starts.. I was hoping it would start soon but I don't see that happening..The arguments will start soon over a COV..

[happy2bme]

Actually the book I was talking about was to be written (and as I said I may have misinterpreted what I read) by someone totally unconnected with the Anthonys.


You may be right SS. I just found this on WS. It says Diane Fanning is going to be writing a book on the Caylee Anthony case. She has already written one about Mary Winkler


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77891

[Cury-us Coyote]

Video Released Of Anthonys' P.I. Searching Remains Scene

Detectives from Orange County and the FBI are investigating the time and date stamps on the videotape and Dominic Casey's cell phone records as they strengthen their murder case against Casey Anthony.

"[It's] a big question and a big key to who killed this child," said Sheaffer. "Who was on the other end of that cell phone?"

http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html

[shelbar53]

Actually the book I was talking about was to be written (and as I said I may have misinterpreted what I read) by someone totally unconnected with the Anthonys.

i heard but no link that it was Diane Fanning who is/will be writing the book. she is a true crime writer like ann rule

[Calla]

I might write a book about this. I haven't decided yet:blink:


I watched the cell phone ping video ...

If her pings were 'at home' on the 15th ..then it doesn't exactly look like she stormed out after a fight that evening. It may be that Casey exaggerated the "rift" after she had killed Caylee because she needed a reason to not go home.
I could be mistaken and will read up some more. I'm confused

[AMS]

So does anyone know if it is proven who Caylee's father was and if there is half siblings would they be entitled to any money made from movie and book deals and such?

jmo

5boxersmom - did you ever hear back from Kathi Belich about control of Caylee's remains and funeral?

TIA.

[ConchGirl]

Video Released Of Anthonys' P.I. Searching Remains Scene

Detectives from Orange County and the FBI are investigating the time and date stamps on the videotape and Dominic Casey's cell phone records as they strengthen their murder case against Casey Anthony.

"[It's] a big question and a big key to who killed this child," said Sheaffer. "Who was on the other end of that cell phone?"

http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html

I guess we should all be thankful that Dominic Casey didn't find Caylee after viewing that video. He would surely had destroyed evidence the way he cut that bag open. moo

[5boxersmom]

5boxersmom - did you ever hear back from Kathi Belich about control of Caylee's remains and funeral?

TIA.

No I did not. I saw kitty posted earlier she had not heard from her either.

[5boxersmom]

I guess we should all be thankful that Dominic Casey didn't find Caylee after viewing that video. He would surely had destroyed evidence the way he cut that bag open. moo

Makes one wonder what would have happen if he had found them. :w00t:

Cindy said that their PI's were proving Casey's story to be true so how does this search prove Casey's story was true?

jmo

[ConchGirl]

Makes one wonder what would have happen if he had found them. :w00t:

Cindy said that their PI's were proving Casey's story to be true so how does this search prove Casey's story was true?

jmo

Lee said all of Casey's invisible friends were real too. :w00t:

[AbbyNormal]

I must have missed this. Who is writing the book?
Hi Happy, I think it is that Fanning lady? (Diane Fanning)?

[AMS]

NG tonight!

New Secret Video Just Released!
New secret video just released of Anthony's private investigator allegedly searching at the crime scene a month before Caylee's remains were found by detectives. Nancy Grace has the latest tonight at 8 & 10 p.m. ET.

[trt]

So when did the PI decide that he *hadn't* actually taped over the video?

[Katprint]

I remember Casey telling someone Caylee had a half sibling. Not that I believe anything Casey ever said, I was just wondering if LE knows who that father is and if there is a half sibling if they would get any of the money.

Would a half sibling be next of kin before the Anthony's?

jmo
Yes. In Florida, siblings inherit after parents but before grandparents. http://www.finance.cch.com/pops/c50s10d190_FL.asp

However, if you believe anything Casey says without independently verifying same, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to sell to you.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[spiritwolf46]

WOW! I just got back on to see what may be going on and there are over 330 some people on here!

WHAT DID I MISS! :scared:

[SavannahStar]

You may be right SS. I just found this on WS. It says Diane Fanning is going to be writing a book on the Caylee Anthony case. She has already written one about Mary Winkler


http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=77891


Okay thanks. Yes, that is the name I heard.

[ConchGirl]

NG tonight!

New Secret Video Just Released!
New secret video just released of Anthony's private investigator allegedly searching at the crime scene a month before Caylee's remains were found by detectives. Nancy Grace has the latest tonight at 8 & 10 p.m. ET.

Dominic Casey sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee. It seems he knew she was in a bag. :mad:

[kitty1182]

Hi Happy, I think it is that Fanning lady? (Diane Fanning)?



I must admit, after this case is over, a book on it is the last thing I want to read..lol

[SavannahStar]

WOW! I just got back on to see what may be going on and there are over 330 some people on here!

WHAT DID I MISS! :scared:

Quite a bit of bickering. :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

I must admit, after this case is over, a book on it is the last thing I want to read..lol


That's in the running for POST OF THE DAY! :thumbsup:

[Neffy]

Yes. In Florida, siblings inherit after parents but before grandparents. http://www.finance.cch.com/pops/c50s10d190_FL.asp

However, if you believe anything Casey says without independently verifying same, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to sell to you.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Cindy is the one that relayed it to Greta I believe. :)

Cindy seemed to believe it also and claims to have an obit at the house.

Not going to look good now for Cindy to say she was just kidding or call Casey a liar now is it as potential heir to the estate.

[Anakerie]

Makes one wonder what would have happen if he had found them. :w00t:

Cindy said that their PI's were proving Casey's story to be true so how does this search prove Casey's story was true?

jmo
I doubt if we'd ever have seen those tapes if Dominick had found anything. I also have to wonder if LE would have been informed when they were found.

I'd like an answer to the question about Cindy too. Just having those PI's out there looking for a body proves a lot in my opinion. Digging in the ground, ripping open trash bags and probing the ground is not looking for a "live Caylee", which is what Casey's story was.

[trich]

RUMOR ONLY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! There is actually a book already started.

Anyone can write a book and they don't have to have anyone's permission.
There was a book written about Laci Peterson before they even arrested and convicted Scott.
The only person entitled to money from such is the author.

[happy2bme]

I must admit, after this case is over, a book on it is the last thing I want to read..lol


For real. My family is tired of hearing about this.:blushing:

[Anakerie]

NG tonight!

New Secret Video Just Released!
New secret video just released of Anthony's private investigator allegedly searching at the crime scene a month before Caylee's remains were found by detectives. Nancy Grace has the latest tonight at 8 & 10 p.m. ET.
ROFL!! I wonder if Nancy will show some of the video that we haven't seen yet... She seems to always be a day late with her "bombshells"... lol

[spiritwolf46]

Quite a bit of bickering. :biggrin:


OH! LOL! Well, if that is all then I guess I am good. ;)

[happy2bme]

Cindy is the one that relayed it to Greta I believe. :)

Cindy seemed to believe it also and claims to have an obit at the house.

Not going to look good now for Cindy to say she was just kidding or call Casey a liar now is it as potential heir to the estate.

I bet we can all agree if this is true...the widow would already be on top of that.

[Neffy]

I doubt if we'd ever have seen those tapes if Dominick had found anything. I also have to wonder if LE would have been informed when they were.

I'd like an answer to the question about Cindy too. Just having those PI's out there looking for a body proves a lot in my opinion. Digging in the ground, ripping open trash bags and probing the ground is not looking for a "live Caylee", which is what Casey's story was.

To many coincidences in one case.

The one and only time Dominic goes to seach for remains it is recorded to prove nothing was in the area.

Sorry can't buy it.

That was a pretty vast area to be searching by oneself with one probe. How long is that recording.

That was not a one man job in the time that video was shot in either.

[Anakerie]

The sticky is dated today and is the result of a poll IIRC. It looks like the people who repsonded said they want 1 daily thread. I guess we'll find out when CW checks in.
Bookie, CW has requested many times in the past that a second thread be started once the first one hits 1000 posts. If you are so concerned about a Part II thread being started, maybe you should PM Coldwater and find out what she says.

[bballgrl]

To many coincidences in one case.

The one and only time Dominic goes to seach for remains it is recorded to prove nothing was in the area.

Sorry can't buy it.

Well, is it possible that it is live footage of the invisible Nanny? You know, to prove she DOES exists? :tongueside:

[trich]

I doubt if we'd ever have seen those tapes if Dominick had found anything. I also have to wonder if LE would have been informed when they were.

I'd like an answer to the question about Cindy too. Just having those PI's out there looking for a body proves a lot in my opinion. Digging in the ground, ripping open trash bags and probing the ground is not looking for a "live Caylee", which is what Casey's story was.

I wonder which story she is talking about.
The I left Caylee at Sawgrass apartments or they knocked me down in the park and took Caylee?
but I am sure they are trying to go with the theory still that the kidnappers did it .
also how will they explain the hair on the skull matches the hair in the trunk.
Not that I believed or anyone would believe that there was another dead body in the trunk.
Guess the kidnappers also had a key to the car and put Caylee there then removed her also.....give me a break who the heck would believe such nonsense?
Their behavior while insisting that Caylee was alive was deplorable.
They have known from day one that she was dead and by the hand of Casey.

[5boxersmom]

I haven't any idea why Cindy would say such a thing.

Yet another lie spouted to the media for no reason other than to help Casey's defense.

Now, it doesn't matter that Cindy was spouting that lie...

Thanks to Cury-us Coyote for originally posting this link. :)

Time frame of Caylee Anthony death released (http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=9654398&nav=menu54_2)

Of major interest from the link:

Dr. Byrd says the time frame of death information is helpful to the prosecution because either way it shows the child was dead prior to the date she was reported missing.

It certainly answers the questions whether the remains had been dumped after July 15th, which is when the child was actually reported missing.

Cindy said this before the remains were found. I am looking for the link.

Yes very interesting about the time frame.

jmo

[Katprint]

Cindy is the one that relayed it to Greta I believe. :)

Cindy seemed to believe it also and claims to have an obit at the house.

Not going to look good now for Cindy to say she was just kidding or call Casey a liar now is it as potential heir to the estate.
I'm afraid I don't trust much of what Cindy - who denied that 7-month-pregnant Casey was indeed pregnant - says either. She has an extensive past history of utter cluelessness, lying when convenient and complete psychological denial which makes her an unreliable source of accurate information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[msgatorslayer]

Dominic Casey sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee. It seems he knew she was in a bag. :mad:

Very telling, aye? The Anthony's called TES in and then were mad because they were looking for a dead Caylee by searching in woods. They reiterated every time they had a chance that Caylee was alive and they were looking for, alive. WE should get off our azzes and also look for a live Caylee. All the while, their personal PI is out gutting trash in the woods. HMMM!!

[5boxersmom]

Yes. In Florida, siblings inherit after parents but before grandparents. http://www.finance.cch.com/pops/c50s10d190_FL.asp

However, if you believe anything Casey says without independently verifying same, I have a very nice bridge I'd like to sell to you.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

TY. That is what I wondered. Not that I believe Casey but there may be a half sibling out there.

jmo

[kate482000]

Dominic Casey sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee. It seems he knew she was in a bag. :mad:

ITA...IMO he seems to know exactly what he is looking for. Poking around in those bags is way too coincidental....

[Neffy]

I'm afraid I don't trust much of what Cindy - who denied that 7-month-pregnant Casey was indeed pregnant - says either. She has an extensive past history of utter cluelessness, lying when convenient and complete psychological denial which makes her an unreliable source of accurate information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

LOL I hear that.

Does the state owe this to Caylee to follow up on these stories. I guess as long as no one contests it she's in the clear. But just the same it looks bad.

[happygert]

Makes one wonder what would have happen if he had found them. :w00t:

Cindy said that their PI's were proving Casey's story to be true so how does this search prove Casey's story was true?

jmo

IMO HIDE, LIE and DENY...Thats what would have happened imo if DC had found Caylee's remains...

[dixielover]

I think the last thing the As wanted was a bunch of people looking for Caylee- They didn't want the body found or at least not found until it had decomposed. I believe they knew when the car rolled in- decomp is a smell like none other-believe you would definitely know it. imo

[Neffy]

TY. That is what I wondered. Not that I believe Casey but there may be a half sibling out there.

jmo


Yes I had a round about with a few of the posters here who claimed that this wasn't true.

Thanks for the validation Katprint. :)

To clarify sibling vs Grandparents.

[msgatorslayer]

Bookie, CW has requested many times in the past that a second thread be started once the first one hits 1000 posts. If you are so concerned about a Part II thread being started, maybe you should PM Coldwater and find out what she says.

I wouldn't bother her, Bookie. THIS thread, part 2, has already been 'stickied'. She knows about it. And as others have said, this is what we always do. Make a new thread when the last one has reached 1k.

If more verification is needed, without bothering CW, just look at the Caylee forum. You will see multiple threads, per day.

[Lavenia]

I'm afraid I don't trust much of what Cindy - who denied that 7-month-pregnant Casey was indeed pregnant - says either. She has an extensive past history of utter cluelessness, lying when convenient and complete psychological denial which makes her an unreliable source of accurate information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Good post! This seems to encapsulate what we see of Cindy and her actions, IMO.

[kate482000]

OT for a moment...Last night I saw a program about a guy named Christian something (I forget his last name) who killed and drowned his wife and three kids in Oregon and took off to Mexico to live the "hi-life". He took on the alias of a NY times reporter and was finally caught. Now to Casey, she has all the exaact same characteristics of this sociopath. No feeling what so ever for anyone or anything around her. She is the center of the universe.

[Calla]

To many coincidences in one case.

The one and only time Dominic goes to seach for remains it is recorded to prove nothing was in the area.

Sorry can't buy it.

That was a pretty vast area to be searching by oneself with one probe. How long is that recording.

That was not a one man job in the time that video was shot in either.

I am not so sure he knew he was being taped that entire time.It seems odd to me that a tree leaf is dancing in front of the lens at times...

[dixielover]

Yes I had a round about with a few of the posters here who claimed that this wasn't true.

Thanks for the validation Katprint. :)

If I was the father or a sibling, I don't believe there is enough money to put me in the center of this circus. It seems like there is voodoo on everyone that enters this case. imo

[AMS]

So when did the PI decide that he *hadn't* actually taped over the video?

When he realized there was $$$$$ to be made. IMO.

[ConchGirl]

For real. My family is tired of hearing about this.:blushing:

DH has threatened to cancel cable so he won't have to listen to Nancy Grace's annoying voice anymore. :lol:

[trich]

ITA...IMO he seems to know exactly what he is looking for. Poking around in those bags is way too coincidental....


Yeah "wonder" who sent him there to look?
Seems to me since he was working for the Anthonys they most certainly had a reason to suggest such.
Maybe they decided it was about time to admit the truth.
The idea that they might have known all this time that she was in that area but never told anyone really chaps me.
Some how they had to have told him about the area and since he was their "employee" ...and of course he was not looking for a live Caylee there......

[trt]

I am not so sure he knew he was being taped that entire time.It seems odd to me that a tree leaf is dancing in front of the lens at times...

But if he knew at *any* point and had not authorized it, why would we just now be hearing about that?

[Calla]

But if he knew at *any* point and had not authorized it, why would we just now be hearing about that?

I don't know.

Is Hoover the one Cindy was angry at in one of her interviews? Saying he wanted money? I can't remember

[CANDYKISSES]

I think the last thing the As wanted was a bunch of people looking for Caylee- They didn't want the body found or at least not found until it had decomposed. I believe they knew when the car rolled in- decomp is a smell like none other-believe you would definitely know it. imo

I'm starting to believe that too Dixie, and I have fought it long and hard. I also believe what you are saying referencing decomposition having been told the same by others who work in LE and ET's.

I believe Cindy made her mind up early on after seeing the video from LE of Casey's interview and she wasn't about to lose two if there was anything she could do to prevent it. JMO tho.:sad:

[Anakerie]

I wouldn't bother her, Bookie. THIS thread, part 2, has already been 'stickied'. She knows about it. And as others have said, this is what we always do. Make a new thread when the last one has reached 1k.

If more verification is needed, without bothering CW, just look at the Caylee forum. You will see multiple threads, per day.
Thank you for the correction, Msgatorslayer... CW is a busy lady and I regret pointing bookie towards PM'ing her. Was just getting tired of all the posts saying that making a new thread was the wrong thing to do.

[Neffy]

If I was the father or a sibling, I don't believe there is enough money to put me in the center of this circus. It seems like there is voodoo on everyone that enters this case. imo

You know I've thought about this alot. On one hand NO WAY would I want to be part of this and then on the other hand you want to put a stop to this farce and take all of the Anthony weight throwing away from them.

Caylee was given so many monetary things but in the end is how she actually lived. A tug of war of who owns her and has rights to her.

[Anakerie]

OT for a moment...Last night I saw a program about a guy named Christian something (I forget his last name) who killed and drowned his wife and three kids in Oregon and took off to Mexico to live the "hi-life". He took on the alias of a NY times reporter and was finally caught. Now to Casey, she has all the exaact same characteristics of this sociopath. No feeling what so ever for anyone or anything around her. She is the center of the universe.
Christian Longo... I watched that show too...

[dixielover]

But if he knew at *any* point and had not authorized it, why would we just now be hearing about that?

I think this tape started out as an idea to help KC and then has blown up in their face. I don't think these people thought this one out. imo

[dixielover]

You know I've thought about this alot. On one hand NO WAY would I want to be part of this and then on the other hand you want to put a stop to this farce and take all of the Anthony weight throwing away from them.

Caylee was given so many monetary things but in the end is how she actually lived. A tug of war of who owns her and has rights to her.

This little girl doesn't even seem real anymore. You are right to all involved she is just an object to sell to the highest bidder. so sad imo

[Regina.Lampert]

But if he knew at *any* point and had not authorized it, why would we just now be hearing about that?

Let's keep in mind too that Hoover has been cooperating with the FBI about this tape since 12/18. When news of the tape first broke iirc Dominic Casey denied everything. Then, tried to discredit Hoover by saying he was a volunteer who was just there for crowd control. Now, they are saying he was hired by the anthonys or hired by Dominic Casey to help investigate and the tape he shot belongs to the anthonys.

They are all over the place, depending on what day it is.

The long and short of it is, something is very wrong. imo.

[trt]

I think this tape started out as an idea to help KC and then has blown up in their face. I don't think these people thought this one out. imo

ITA...first there was a tape...then *oops, there is no tape*...then, there was a tape but it was taped over...now there is a tape, but the person making the tape did not work for the person doing the searching...or...dang I'm so confused. But yes, I think that this was a case of *it was a good idea at the time...*

JMO

[kate482000]

Christian Longo... I watched that show too...

Did his traits seem eeriely similar to Casey? The total lack of feeling a empathy that she exhibits was the same way he came across.

[dixielover]

Let's keep in mind too that Hoover has been cooperating with the FBI about this tape since 12/18. When news of the tape first broke iirc Dominic Casey denied everything. Then, tried to discredit Hoover by saying he was a volunteer who was just there for crowd control. Now, they are saying he was hired by the anthonys or hired by Dominic Casey to help investigate and the tape he shot belongs to the anthonys.

They are all over the place, depending on what day it is.

The long and short of it is, something is very wrong. imo.

Yes and now Mr. Kronk is getting $20,000( I think) for his interview- I'm not sure about him but he better make his money before his tipser is revealed. I do think he was tipped off by someone. imo

[dgfred]

I think this tape started out as an idea to help KC and then has blown up in their face. I don't think these people thought this one out. imo

I agree. Probably trying to show that someone else could have put her in that area, now it just looks worse.

[ConchGirl]

ITA...first there was a tape...then *oops, there is no tape*...then, there was a tape but it was taped over...now there is a tape, but the person making the tape did not work for the person doing the searching...or...dang I'm so confused. But yes, I think that this was a case of *it was a good idea at the time...*

JMO

I'm still trying to figure out how finding Caylee's body would benefit the defense. :shrug:

[Neffy]

I think this tape started out as an idea to help KC and then has blown up in their face. I don't think these people thought this one out. imo

I believe the evidence will prove Caylee had been out there from day 1.

That's what makes this D. Casey video all the more bizarre. One (1) ground search for remains video taped in the location she was found.

This certainly won't be "proof" beyond what the scientific evidence is sure to prove.

[ishkabibble]

Lee said all of Casey's invisible friends were real too. :w00t:

Sadly I think the PI's were just blowing smoke. If LE was able to prove Casey was lying so easily, it couldn't have taken much for PI to prove it. but if you go to Cindy and say Hey it looks like the cops were right, your daughter mostly likely killed her daughter and dumped the body. You're not going to have a job very long. Take the leads and stories the grandparents give you, "follow them up" put some spin on it and poof you're in business. WIth the amount of BS Casey was feeding them, GA/CA probably had enough "leads" for 1/2 doz PIs. That bogus story about Zanny's car accident could easily take several days to check out IF YOU WANT IT TO.

[trt]

I'm still trying to figure out how finding Caylee's body would benefit the defense. :shrug:

I don't think it would...but certainly a video of the area her body was found in *without* the body would benefit the defense. Only...how did they know which area to look in? Darn...

[SavannahStar]

If I was the father or a sibling, I don't believe there is enough money to put me in the center of this circus. It seems like there is voodoo on everyone that enters this case. imo


Exactly!!!! And like I've said before if the father didn't care about Caylee in life, he doesn't care about her in death.

[Calla]

Questions:

-When exactly did dCasey leave the employ of baez and start working for the a's?
-Hoover never worked for the defense, but was working for the a's for free right?
-Who was Dcasey working for at the time this video was shot?
-Is it possible that Hoover was spying on dcasey for the a's because baez&kc were no longer communicating with them?

I really don't want to believe the a's themselves were in on this search...but if they were, then they are beyond evil IMO....:cursing:

I think Hoover could have been spying on Dom Casey...just because of the waythe video looks at some points..(with the leaf dancing on the lens as I have pointed out b4)..I don't know if he was doing that for the A's or for himself. Very interesting..
I ask again..was it Hoover that Cindy got angry with because he wanted money?..I need to research that I guess

[happy2bme]

I don't think it would...but certainly a video of the area her body was found in *without* the body would benefit the defense. Only...how did they know which area to look in? Darn...



That's what I want to know.

[Calla]

Exactly!!!! And like I've said before if the father didn't care about Caylee in life, he doesn't care about her in death.

If he knew about her ...

[Anakerie]

Did his traits seem eeriely similar to Casey? The total lack of feeling a empathy that she exhibits was the same way he came across.
To be honest, Christian Longo struck me as being worse than Casey. His wife and 3 children were murdered, he runs off to Mexico and starts living the high life using the NY reporter's identity. He then conned the reporter into believing his version of what happened.. Until the trial, that is. Then, at trial the guy admits he killed his wife and the youngest child but blames his wife for the other two children. IMO, Longo was/is worse than Casey.

[msgatorslayer]

Thank you for the correction, Msgatorslayer... CW is a busy lady and I regret pointing bookie towards PM'ing her. Was just getting tired of all the posts saying that making a new thread was the wrong thing to do.

I just leaped off your post to get to Bookie.:biggrin:

[~jomomma~]

I believe the evidence will prove Caylee had been out there from day 1.

That's what makes this D. Casey video all the more bizarre. One (1) ground search for remains video taped in the location she was found.

This certainly won't be "proof" beyond what the scientific evidence is sure to prove.

i don't know how anyone can say that is exactly where caylee was found by watching that. i just watched it for the first time and i couldn't tell where he was. guess i might need to watch some more to see if there's any thing in it to show exactly where he was.

and is that a house? what was that he was digging in?

[Neffy]

Exactly!!!! And like I've said before if the father didn't care about Caylee in life, he doesn't care about her in death.

Yes you have repeatedly spread this rumour.

You have no evidence the father knew now do you?

Casey and Cindy continouesly lied and couldn't even remember his name when asked.

[CANDYKISSES]

Exactly!!!! And like I've said before if the father didn't care about Caylee in life, he doesn't care about her in death.

Maybe you could leave a small space for the possibility that a father was NEVER INFORMED because given her activity, CASEY didn't even know.

It is a possibility, before you start asserting a man who might not even know he was a father NOT CARING IMO.

Just a thought Savannah. :unsure:

[Anakerie]

I'm still trying to figure out how finding Caylee's body would benefit the defense. :shrug:
Me too......

[kitty1182]

Can someone explain this to me...I keep hearing talk about Caylee's estate...What estate does she have?:confused:

[happy2bme]

I remember the very day this story broke. I was at WS because IS was down. Never in my wildest dreams would I have believed then everything that has gone on with this case. Mind boggling.:confused:

[Tracian]

Again, as far as the family this is what I don't understand:

The first two 911 calls were about theft of the money and the car, according to the this:

Lee Anthony voluntarily sitting down with detectives and remembering vivid details about the night he discovered his niece was missing. He told detectives that his mother and sister have had an ongoing feud that started before Caylee went missing. On the night of July 15, Cindy Anthony finally tracked down Casey and retrieved her white Pontiac from an impound lot. When Lee Anthony made it to the family home, he said the smell from the car was overwhelming. Lee Anthony told detectives, "The trunk was open. The windows were rolled down to what I assume -- (to) ventilate the horrible smell that I had just smelled for the first time." The investigator said, "The smell filled up the whole garage?" "Yeah," Anthony said. "It hit you like a wave. I mean it was, it was whatever it was, it was very, very potent." According to the interview that Lee Anthony gave detectives, Cindy Anthony grew tired of questioning her daughter about Caylee's whereabouts and getting no answers. She eventually sent Lee Anthony to try to make some ground with Casey. While Lee Anthony was alone with his sister, he said, "What's going on (and) what is the deal?" 'That's when she said mom has thrown it in my face many times before that I'm an unfit mother and you know, maybe she's right and maybe I am." After interrogating her daughter and still not getting what she thought was a straight answer, Cindy Anthony threatened to call police.

http://m.floridatoday.com/news.jsp?key=124265


Bolded:

They all knew the car smelled like death....Casey is apparently giving some story, or not saying anything, but fighting with Cindy in regards to things not to do with Caylee....and Cindy is just still threatening to call police?


Makes no sense...none at all.

[ishkabibble]

I believe the evidence will prove Caylee had been out there from day 1.

That's what makes this D. Casey video all the more bizarre. One (1) ground search for remains video taped in the location she was found.

This certainly won't be "proof" beyond what the scientific evidence is sure to prove.

And why just one search, in one area. I read Kio Maries interview, it was interesting, but don't forget she was the one who had the "wrong Casey" who wanted to borrow money from her. That may have lessened the amount of importance LE gave her statement. Also, if I wanted to hide a body I don't know if I would put it in a place I know to be a "hang out". If I don't want it found I think I would put it far from human contact as I could. Is Kio the "Tia" Torres that Cindy was asking Casey about in jail? I thought she may have the wrong name, Cindy did say she was from the neighbohood.

[Calla]

Can someone explain this to me...I keep hearing talk about Caylee's estate...What estate does she have?:confused:

She had a house in the backyard of the Anthony's home and lots of stuffed animals:sad: but that's all that I have heard about

[kitty1182]

She had a house in the backyard of the Anthony's home and lots of stuffed animals:sad: but that's all that I have heard about


Thanks..That's all I thought she had too....Didn't live long enough to get much more:sad:

[Rhondak814]

Can someone explain this to me...I keep hearing talk about Caylee's estate...What estate does she have?:confused:

I believe any deceased persons have an "estate" so to speak. It is any and all property, assets, ENTITLEMENTS and debts. Most 3 year olds would not have any of the above but with all the fighting over rights, pics and all the $, I believe it definitely applies in this case. MOO

[smileyjoe]

I'm afraid I don't trust much of what Cindy - who denied that 7-month-pregnant Casey was indeed pregnant - says either. She has an extensive past history of utter cluelessness, lying when convenient and complete psychological denial which makes her an unreliable source of accurate information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


ITA. That is what makes Cindy utterly unbelievable. Any thing she says.. no matter what.

imo.

Joe.

[SavannahStar]

If he knew about her ...


I think he had a pretty good idea.

But this has been discussed for days and days......

[kitty1182]

I believe any deceased persons have an "estate" so to speak. It is any and all property, assets, ENTITLEMENTS and debts. Most 3 year olds would not have any of the above but with all the fighting over rights, pics and all the $, I believe it definitely applies in this case. MOO

Thanks.......:smile:

[Calla]

I believe any deceased persons have an "estate" so to speak. It is any and all property, assets, ENTITLEMENTS and debts. Most 3 year olds would not have any of the above but with all the fighting over rights, pics and all the $, I believe it definitely applies in this case. MOO

OH yeah I get that. Monies could be easily required to go to her "estate" even now. And I would assume until her mother is actually convicted, that estate cannot be touched??

[SavannahStar]

Yes you have repeatedly spread this rumour.

You have no evidence the father knew now do you?

Casey and Cindy continouesly lied and couldn't even remember his name when asked.

All posts are my opinion. There is no "rumour."

[Tracian]

I think he had a pretty good idea.

But this has been discussed for days and days......



I thought Casey and Cindy said the 'father' had died in a auto accident.

[kate482000]

To be honest, Christian Longo struck me as being worse than Casey. His wife and 3 children were murdered, he runs off to Mexico and starts living the high life using the NY reporter's identity. He then conned the reporter into believing his version of what happened.. Until the trial, that is. Then, at trial the guy admits he killed his wife and the youngest child but blames his wife for the other two children. IMO, Longo was/is worse than Casey.

I agree...

[Neffy]

i don't know how anyone can say that is exactly where caylee was found by watching that. i just watched it for the first time and i couldn't tell where he was. guess i might need to watch some more to see if there's any thing in it to show exactly where he was.

and is that a house? what was that he was digging in?

I have no doubt someone directed him there. This was to blow up in front of a jury to cast reasonable doubt and I agree with the other posters that this was supposed to be Baez's aha moment. Alas a tape.

I believe it would have been debunked by science yet now you must unring that bell to the jury.

[trt]

I think he had a pretty good idea.

But this has been discussed for days and days......

Hi Savannah,

What do you base this opinion on?

[bchand]

Questions:

-When exactly did dCasey leave the employ of baez and start working for the a's?
-Hoover never worked for the defense, but was working for the a's for free right?
-Who was Dcasey working for at the time this video was shot?
-Is it possible that Hoover was spying on dcasey for the a's because baez&kc were no longer communicating with them?

I really don't want to believe the a's themselves were in on this search...but if they were, then they are beyond evil IMO....:cursing:


IIRC I read that D Casey's "contract" with Baez ended in Oct. (Don't know if it was the beginning or the end)

Hoover volunteered to help the Anthonys with crowd control (protesters) and they accepted (for free).

D Casey claims he voluntarily works for the Anthonys and has never taken one cent from them.


http://www.pinow.com/news/2008/11/12/pi-in-anthony-case-speaks/

[SavannahStar]

Maybe you could leave a small space for the possibility that a father was NEVER INFORMED because given her activity, CASEY didn't even know.

It is a possibility, before you start asserting a man who might not even know he was a father NOT CARING IMO.

Just a thought Savannah. :unsure:


Candy, we really don't know her "activity" four years ago. Or have you seen testimony to that? I know she was definitely a bit promiscuous recently, but we don't know about four years ago. As I've stated before, and I'm sure you can attest to, since you are a mother....a woman can pretty much determine her date of conception within a few days. I have seen no evidence that Casey was sleeping with 25+ men over short periods of time four years ago. It is MY OPINION that she had a fairly good idea who the daddy was, and the daddy did as well.

It's not at all uncommon for young men to run from the responsibilities of fatherhood. We see it all the time.

[trt]

Candy, we really don't know her "activity" four years ago. Or have you seen testimony to that? I know she was definitely a bit promiscuous recently, but we don't know about four years ago. As I've stated before, and I'm sure you can attest to, since you are a mother....a woman can pretty much determine her date of conception within a few days. I have seen no evidence that Casey was sleeping with 25+ men over short periods of time four years ago. It is MY OPINION that she had a fairly good idea who the daddy was, and the daddy did as well.

It's not at all uncommon for young men to run from the responsibilities of fatherhood. We see it all the time.


We know of at least one individual besides the father that Casey was sleeping with around this time, no? Jesse?

[Cury-us Coyote]

And why just one search, in one area. I read Kio Maries interview, it was interesting, but don't forget she was the one who had the "wrong Casey" who wanted to borrow money from her. That may have lessened the amount of importance LE gave her statement. Also, if I wanted to hide a body I don't know if I would put it in a place I know to be a "hang out". If I don't want it found I think I would put it far from human contact as I could. Is Kio the "Tia" Torres that Cindy was asking Casey about in jail? I thought she may have the wrong name, Cindy did say she was from the neighbohood.

Baez: 'We Believe In The Presumption Of Innocence'

Meanwhile, a friend of Casey Anthony, KioMarie Torres Cruz has sold her story to the "National Enquirer."

Cruz's father lives down the street from the Anthonys.

"For selling the story, it's wrong for me. For me, if somebody know some story, it's better to give to police for free so than can find the true story about Caylee. So this is my opinion," Cruz's stepmother, Tatiana Torres, said.

Torres said she doesn't have much contact with Cruz.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18306094/detail.html

[daHawg]

I'm afraid I don't trust much of what Cindy - who denied that 7-month-pregnant Casey was indeed pregnant - says either. She has an extensive past history of utter cluelessness, lying when convenient and complete psychological denial which makes her an unreliable source of accurate information.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
I don't either and I would sure like to see the dates on those sonogram pics. I bet they're not at 7 months along. I would bet they are from a lot earlier in the pregnancy.

[dixielover]

I know this is a weird theory but I think they all knew at some point that Caylee was dead- I think one of the family members wanted Caylee body to be found and tipped off the MR. They had enough of the crazy stuff and wanted it to end. I don't think it was CA. imo

[Neffy]

All posts are my opinion. There is no "rumour."

Rumour starting is not an opinion. It is what it is. You claim Caylees father didn't care about her. Who is he?

Deadbeats are listed on the childs birth certificate.

Casey has none filled in. She's refusing to say. What's that tell you.

[Stella Rose]

We know of at least one individual besides the father that Casey was sleeping with around this time, no? Jesse?

Didn't Jesse show up after Casey was already pregnant? I though he pretty much knew he was not the father, but he wanted to be. I could be thinking of a different guy here...

[trt]

Good Grief...does no one want to be involved in this case for the sheer satisfaction of seeing JUSTICE SERVED (KIO)????!!!???

[AMS]

Can someone explain this to me...I keep hearing talk about Caylee's estate...What estate does she have?:confused:

If she had savings bonds in her name of something like that, could that be part of her estate???

[Tracian]

Candy, we really don't know her "activity" four years ago. Or have you seen testimony to that? I know she was definitely a bit promiscuous recently, but we don't know about four years ago. As I've stated before, and I'm sure you can attest to, since you are a mother....a woman can pretty much determine her date of conception within a few days. I have seen no evidence that Casey was sleeping with 25+ men over short periods of time four years ago. It is MY OPINION that she had a fairly good idea who the daddy was, and the daddy did as well.

It's not at all uncommon for young men to run from the responsibilities of fatherhood. We see it all the time.


Have you ever watched Maury? OMG...some of those mothers have had 15 men tested....and still no daddy...

Casey lies like most of us draw a breath, we have no idea what she may have told a man she slept with--she tried to say Jesse was the father, and it turned out to be a lie--she said that a dead young man was the father...his family says that they don't think so...

Sure, young men run from their children..but that does not mean that Casey ever told the 'right' young man.

[trt]

Didn't Jesse show up after Casey was already pregnant? I though he pretty much knew he was not the father, but he wanted to be. I could be thinking of a different guy here...

Hmmm, I think you are right. Thanks for the reminder...

[kOOkie1]

This Video just bothers me on so many levels:crying:..the digging and poking the way he was..didnt even looked dressed properly to be searching yet he sure seemed to know exactly where and what he was looking for..odd odd:cool:(jmo)

[dgfred]

We know of at least one individual besides the father that Casey was sleeping with around this time, no? Jesse?

Does anyone think this might be part of the 'big secret' that the Anthony's were hiding? I just can't get over Casey telling her mom from jail not to worry, she hasn't said anything!!!

[SavannahStar]

Hi Savannah,

What do you base this opinion on?

You can see my post to Candy.

Sure I think there is a possibility the father didn't know he was a father. But I think the possibility he DID know, and did not wish to be a daddy, is greater. And I think that was just great with the Anthonys. They did not need financial support and wanted to raise Caylee on their own, with no contact with or from the father.

That is my opinion.

Part of it is based on personal experiences with people in this type of circumstance.

[Calla]

Baez: 'We Believe In The Presumption Of Innocence'

Meanwhile, a friend of Casey Anthony, KioMarie Torres Cruz has sold her story to the "National Enquirer."

Cruz's father lives down the street from the Anthonys.

"For selling the story, it's wrong for me. For me, if somebody know some story, it's better to give to police for free so than can find the true story about Caylee. So this is my opinion," Cruz's stepmother, Tatiana Torres, said.

Torres said she doesn't have much contact with Cruz.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18306094/detail.html
Interesting! Thanksfor posting this.

Oh and I see Tia Torres..the one CIndy tells Casey, had heard Cindy was in a mental hospital or something..is Kio's step- mom.


Do you think Cindy saying "we forgive you for anything you said" during the jailhouse tape, was in reference to the fact that Cindy had heard from neighbors and friends that CAsey had been telling all kinds of loopy things like... she was mental and Casey would be getting the house soon...etc

[Stella Rose]

I don't either and I would sure like to see the dates on those sonogram pics. I bet they're not at 7 months along. I would bet they are from a lot earlier in the pregnancy.

I'd like to know if they are even Caylee.

I have had doubts about that ever since we saw them pinned to Casey's wall on 20/20 (was it)? Getting my Anthony interviews mixed up somehow...

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC I read that D Casey's "contract" with Baez ended in Oct. (Don't know if it was the beginning or the end)

Hoover volunteered to help the Anthonys with crowd control (protesters) and they accepted (for free).

D Casey claims he voluntarily works for the Anthonys and has never taken one cent from them.


http://www.pinow.com/news/2008/11/12/pi-in-anthony-case-speaks/

Thanks B. Now, isn't it interesting that the anthonys attorney, Conway is now saying Hoover was "hired" by the anthonys to "investigate" and therefore the tape belongs to them.

IMO, only Hoover did the right thing and took his tape to the OCSD and the FBI.

BTW, I think the anthonys were very afraid that the remains would be found since the water levels were dropping and that is why Dominic Casey was out there looking for them. God only knows what he would have done, had he actually found them......

[daHawg]

I'd like to know if they are even Caylee.

I have had doubts about that ever since we saw them pinned to Casey's wall on 20/20 (was it)? Getting my Anthony interviews mixed up somehow...

Yeah you're right for all we know those could be of Casey. Wouldn't put it past Cindy and her staging.:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Rumour starting is not an opinion. It is what it is. You claim Caylees father didn't care about her. Who is he?

Deadbeats are listed on the childs birth certificate.

Casey has none filled in. She's refusing to say. What's that tell you.

Deadbeats are NOT listed on the birth certificate if paternity has not been proven through testing.

Yes, it IS my opinion, no rumor. I don't know how many times I have to type that. Think what you want....but don't openly accuse me of something I did not do or say. That is RUDE.

[Neffy]

Tells me alot about the psyche of this girl....but that would be rumor

Unless you were a psychiatrist it may be depending what you post.

Personally it tells me she either doesn't know or she doesn't want it known.

[trt]

You can see my post to Candy.

Sure I think there is a possibility the father didn't know he was a father. But I think the possibility he DID know, and did not wish to be a daddy, is greater. And I think that was just great with the Anthonys. They did not need financial support and wanted to raise Caylee on their own, with no contact with or from the father.

That is my opinion.

Part of it is based on personal experiences with people in this type of circumstance.

You are willing to accuse an unknown man of being a deadbeat dad on little more than *it happens all the time*, but are not willing to see that the Anthonys are up to their eyeballs in covering for Casey based on verifiable lies that have been told?

There is a possibility that there is a deadbeat dad in the middle of all of this, but its no more of a possibility than the other possibility(that Casey didn't have a clue - which also happens ALL the time). Especially since we know that Casey lied about how the *dad* died. JMO

[SavannahStar]

It tells me the father didn't wanted to be listed, otherwise he would have petitioned the court to have it put on the certificate. Casey didn't hide having a baby. Everyone who knew her knew she had a baby. If the father was alive and at all interested in Caylee, he had plenty of time to step up to the plate.

Your first sentence says it all, Exiled.

Casey did not list a father. Therefore IF the father had any inkling he was a father and he wanted to take part in Caylee's life, he would have petitioned the court and gone through paternity testing. That's it in a nutshell.

[Neffy]

Deadbeats are NOT listed on the birth certificate if paternity has not been proven through testing.

Yes, it IS my opinion, no rumor. I don't know how many times I have to type that. Think what you want....but don't openly accuse me of something I did not do or say. That is RUDE.

You are not a deadbeat if you do not know you are the father.

You can post until your fingers get sore but you are spreading a rumour about a father of unknown origin.

This solely falls on Casey to name him. She's chosen someone deceased without proof of paternity. That makes your statement false and a rumour. Not much of a choice to be in someone life now is it.

[Tracian]

You can see my post to Candy.

Sure I think there is a possibility the father didn't know he was a father. But I think the possibility he DID know, and did not wish to be a daddy, is greater. And I think that was just great with the Anthonys. They did not need financial support and wanted to raise Caylee on their own, with no contact with or from the father.

That is my opinion.

Part of it is based on personal experiences with people in this type of circumstance.


Which IMO, just underscores how controlling and selfish Cindy Anthony is...a father has the right to know about his child and his child has the right to know who her father is...

Because they didn't put a name on the BC, right from the start they were taking from Caylee her right to know her father, find him at some point, and her paternal family.

And we all know how it turned out staying with her maternal family.

again, IMO.

[dgfred]

Unless you were a psychiatrist it may be depending what you post.

Personally it tells me she either doesn't know or she doesn't want it known.

That seems the most likely to me too.

[SavannahStar]

You are willing to accuse an unknown man of being a deadbeat dad on little more than *it happens all the time*, but are not willing to see that the Anthonys are up to their eyeballs in covering for Casey based on verifiable lies that have been told?

There is a possibility that there is a deadbeat dad in the middle of all of this, but its no more of a possibility than the other possibility(that Casey didn't have a clue - which also happens ALL the time). Especially since we know that Casey lied about how the *dad* died. JMO


I don't think it happens all the time that the mother doesn't have a clue who the father is. She would have to be extremely sexually active with many, many men during a short period of time. We have seen no evidence of that with Casey four years ago. IMO.

[SavannahStar]

You are not a deadbeat if you do not know you are the father.

You can post until your fingers get sore but you are spreading a rumour about a father of unknown origin.

This solely falls on Casey to name him. She's chosen someone deceased without proof of paternity. That makes your statement a little silly. Not much of a choice to be in someone life now is it.


No rumors from me. Is it a rumor from you that this poor guy is out there just feeling soooooo bad he never knew Caylee and he's going to drop down from the sky and "save" her memory from those bad, bad grandparents?

[trt]

I don't think it happens all the time that the mother doesn't have a clue who the father is. She would have to be extremely sexually active with many, many men during a short period of time. We have seen no evidence of that with Casey four years ago. IMO.

AS we constantly see on paternity shows and court shows(and I've seen it several times with my own family members) this is just as much a likely occurrence as a man being a deadbeat dad.

She was sleeping with Ricardo and Jesse at the same time, IIRC...Caylee was just a baby at that point. She was also sleeping with Jesse while she was pregnant with another man's baby. So we at least know that she was not opposed to sleeping around with at least more than one man. That's all it takes is to have more than one man that *could* be the father.

JMO

[nc1948]

That's in the running for POST OF THE DAY! :thumbsup:

Plus if something in the book is unclear, I cannot ask for a link or discuss it with other posters.

[SavannahStar]

AS we constantly see on paternity shows and court shows(and I've seen it several times with my own family members) this is just as much a likely occurrence as a man being a deadbeat dad.

She was sleeping with Ricardo and Jesse at the same time, IIRC...Caylee was just a baby at that point. She was also sleeping with Jesse while she was pregnant with another man's baby. So we at least know that she was not opposed to sleeping around with at least more than one man. That's all it takes is to have more than one man that *could* be the father.

JMO


You are correct there. By the same token, if she had been sleeping with two different men at the time Caylee was conceived, she certainly would have had at least a "clue" as to who the father was. And so would the two men have a "clue" that they might be a daddy. So if that were the case why didn't one of them go to the court system to have paternity proven, so that he could be a part of Caylee's life?

I think perhaps the ONLY way there is a father out there who really has NO clue, would be if it were a one-night stand and they just met up by chance and he didn't even know Casey's name and vice versa. Someone brought that up the other day. That's possible too. But also in that case, I doubt the guy would have wanted the responsibility of fatherhood.

I don't think we will ever know who the father is. Nor are we entitled to.

My opinion.

[rambo55]

Whooo - whoooo!!! I am no longer banned and get to read this awesome thread!!! (I will retreat into the lurk mode.)

[Lavenia]

Can someone explain this to me...I keep hearing talk about Caylee's estate...What estate does she have?:confused:

At the time of her death I doubt she had an estate worth anything. She now has a *potential* estate from what I gather, that includes any licensing fees earned through book/movie/picture deals and so forth.

[Neffy]

It tells me the father didn't wanted to be listed, otherwise he would have petitioned the court to have it put on the certificate. Casey didn't hide having a baby. Everyone who knew her knew she had a baby. If the father was alive and at all interested in Caylee, he had plenty of time to step up to the plate.

NIce try the opposite is true.

This solely falls on the mother to list who the father of their child is.
Doesn't matter what the father wants.

Father doesn't have to sign it at all. Any name that appears on there they need to get a paternity test to remove it.

This was soley Casey's choice to leave it unknown.

[Calla]

I'm confused. Are we allowed to discuss our opinions on this board, or are we only allowed to quote media and LE sources.

Oh...to stay on topic. I listened again to the "hope" MP3, and she really does say the the girl is near hope.

Listened and re-listened and yes she does say hope with a slight twist so as to mislead her brother I think...but he gives pause when she says it , doesn't he?

[kitty1182]

At the time of her death I doubt she had an estate worth anything. She now has a *potential* estate from what I gather, that includes any licensing fees earned through book/movie/picture deals and so forth.



Such a shame she couldn't live to be grown and have her own estate in years to come....:sad:

[happygert]

I'm confused. Are we allowed to discuss our opinions on this board, or are we only allowed to quote media and LE sources.

Oh...to stay on topic. I listened again to the "hope" MP3, and she really does say the the girl is near hope.

Yes she sure did........

[ishkabibble]

Which IMO, just underscores how controlling and selfish Cindy Anthony is...a father has the right to know about his child and his child has the right to know who her father is...

Because they didn't put a name on the BC, right from the start they were taking from Caylee her right to know her father, find him at some point, and her paternal family.

And we all know how it turned out staying with her maternal family.

again, IMO.

And if itwas Casey who did not want the identity known she stopped all questioning by stating that he was DEAD. Just as she stopped the questions she didn't want to answer in jail with the hints that she can't talk because everyone is in danger, that shut all that talk down.Cindy may have been in control in the past, but Casey has the upper hand now and she ain't letting go anytime soon.

[trich]

Candy, we really don't know her "activity" four years ago. Or have you seen testimony to that? I know she was definitely a bit promiscuous recently, but we don't know about four years ago. As I've stated before, and I'm sure you can attest to, since you are a mother....a woman can pretty much determine her date of conception within a few days. I have seen no evidence that Casey was sleeping with 25+ men over short periods of time four years ago. It is MY OPINION that she had a fairly good idea who the daddy was, and the daddy did as well.

It's not at all uncommon for young men to run from the responsibilities of fatherhood. We see it all the time.


I don't for a minute believe Casey knew who the father was/is.
Jessie claimed she said it was a one night stand.
After he found out he was not the father.
I think he has been the only honest person in this whole sad situation.
He was also willing to accept responsibility for Caylee but Casey nixed that
idea and decided she did not want him for a husband or a father for Caylee.

[Calla]

NIce try the opposite is true.

This solely falls on the mother to list who the father of their child is.
Doesn't matter what the father wants.

Father doesn't have to sign it at all. Any name that appears on there they need to get a paternity test to remove it.

This was soley Casey's choice to leave it unknown.

You are correct..a mother can put anyone she wants in most states...or not..but in mine, if you choose not to name him, you risk never being able to apply for any aid at all.

But it did fall on Casey's shoulders

[trt]

You are correct there. By the same token, if she had been sleeping with two different men at the time Caylee was conceived, she certainly would have had at least a "clue" as to who the father was. And so would the two men have a "clue" that they might be a daddy. So if that were the case why didn't one of them go to the court system to have paternity proven, so that he could be a part of Caylee's life?

I think perhaps the ONLY way there is a father out there who really has NO clue, would be if it were a one-night stand and they just met up by chance and he didn't even know Casey's name and vice versa. Someone brought that up the other day. That's possible too. But also in that case, I doubt the guy would have wanted the responsibility of fatherhood.

I don't think we will ever know who the father is. Nor are we entitled to.

My opinion.


Hmmm, but if no one knew she was pregnant until late in the pregnancy(per family members), then how would the other men know that they could have been the daddy? How would the two(possibly more) men have a clue if Casey didn't even share with her parents until she was 7 months along. You think that guys are as in tune to a *conception* calendar as a woman would be? That they would be able to see Caylee or a preggo Casey and immediately count back to when they had sex with her and determine that they *may* be the father? Casey is a known liar so who is to say that she wasn't telling men that she was on the pill(no excuse not to protect yourself from things other than a baby, but still)? We know she misled Jesse into believing that he was the father.

If she can knowingly lie to someone that she KNOWS had nothing to do with conception, why is it a huge stretch to believe that even if she did have an idea of who the dad could be, that she would be forthcoming? I imagine that at age 19, more boys thought like Tony than at 22(that they didn't want children). Knowing that Casey likes to *conform* to what her men/friends want, would she have hidden a pregnancy from a man who stated that he didn't want children at the time?

Another point I want to make is that you don't just become promiscuous over night. So while we don't have as much access to information from 4 years ago, we can assume, by her actions after Caylee was born that it didn't just happen.

Again, I think that its possible, your theory on this, but not any more possible than any of the other theories thrown out there about dad(maybe except that its Lee, but I digress). I do agree that its not any of our business nor is it relevant to the murder of Caylee who her dad is.

JMO

[happy2bme]

You would think Casey would have confided in at least one friend about the baby's daddy. :confused:

[Katprint]

I don't think it happens all the time that the mother doesn't have a clue who the father is. She would have to be extremely sexually active with many, many men during a short period of time. We have seen no evidence of that with Casey four years ago. IMO.
Alternatively, to have no clue who the father is, the mother may have been sexually active with a man whose name she does not know - or only knows his first name - during the relevant 3 days of ovulation. Some cute guy she saw at a nightclub, maybe.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ishkabibble]

I don't for a minute believe Casey knew who the father was/is.
Jessie claimed she said it was a one night stand.
I think he has been the only honest person in this whole sad situation.

By the time this is over, everything he has ever said or done will be brought out by the defense, wait til they start on whatever the reasons were that he left his job in LE. Any thing Casey can give Baez will be used to discredit him. that's why so many are going to grab the money while they can, cause there may not be as much offered later. I do hope he and some of the others whose testimony really counts can stay "pure". But as the trial gets closer and more people starting talking there is less need for their story and threfore less money.

[Pretty Leaf]

At the time of her death I doubt she had an estate worth anything. She now has a *potential* estate from what I gather, that includes any licensing fees earned through book/movie/picture deals and so forth.


Isn't it sad that most are trying to make a buck over this tragedy and now it looks like little Caylee "estate" may make money over her own death? Twisted.

[rambo55]

Hmmm - if you think about it, Casey said Caylee's father was dead/ missing from the picture... And, no one pushed the issue.

Do you suppose she might have thought that no one would follow up about Caylee? (It worked for herin the past?)

[~jomomma~]

Listened and re-listened and yes she does say hope with a slight twist so as to mislead her brother I think...but he gives pause when she says it , doesn't he?


darn, i know i saw the link before but can't find it now...do you have it?

[shelbar53]

Listened and re-listened and yes she does say hope with a slight twist so as to mislead her brother I think...but he gives pause when she says it , doesn't he?

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

[trich]

You would think Casey would have confided in at least one friend about the baby's daddy. :confused:

Well if you don't know you can't tell.
That just tells me she did not know and did not want
to admit she probably had sex with someone she never knew the name of or he hers.


Again though it has nothing to do with this case.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Kronk Shares New Details On Caylee's Remains

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html

[ishkabibble]

Hmmm - if you think about it, Casey said Caylee's father was dead/ missing from the picture... And, no one pushed the issue.

Do you suppose she might have thought that no one would follow up about Caylee? (It worked for herin the past?)

You stick with works for you and that seemed to work fine for her in the past.

[Katprint]

At the time of her death I doubt she had an estate worth anything. She now has a *potential* estate from what I gather, that includes any licensing fees earned through book/movie/picture deals and so forth.
Plus a cause of action for wrongful death against Casey. If it turns out that Casey negligently allowed her to die rather than actually murdered her intentionally (unlikely but theoretically possible) in the Anthonys' residence then the Anthonys homeowner's insurance liability policy might actually apply, depending how coverage clauses were written.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[happy2bme]

Well if you don't know you can't tell.
That just tells me she did not know and did not want
to admit she probably had sex with someone she never knew the name of or he her.



This is true....

[Neffy]

I think he had a pretty good idea.

But this has been discussed for days and days......

Yes it has. Casey named the father as being deceased. You insist he CHOSE to stay out of her life. How does a deceased person do this?

IMO without proof I don't believe Casey or Cindy's fable. If you do then Caylee has a few siblings out there that need to be found as they should be informed as next of kin.

[Lavenia]

Such a shame she couldn't live to be grown and have her own estate in years to come....:sad:

That is a shame indeed, Kitty. :sad:

[Calla]

** respectfully snipped to make a point** Hmmm, but if no one knew she was pregnant until late in the pregnancy(per family members), then how would the other men know that they could have been the daddy? How would the two(possibly more) men have a clue if Casey didn't even share with her parents until she was 7 months along. **snipped**

JMO
I would have to hear from Casey Cindy and George that she did not share with them until she was 7 months, not uncle Rick.

Because we could also assume that Cindy gave Rick a flippant response to his question, can't we?

It's not pertinent to your point really and no disrespect intended..but I thought I would throw that out there. (just speaking from personal experience)

[Katprint]

bolding mine

This is the best description of Cindy I've seen so far.
I am a big fan of the persuasive power of truth, as well as the awesome might of understatement. Best rhetorical devices ever!

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[ishkabibble]

Yes it has. Casey named the father as being deceased. You insist he CHOSE to stay out of her life. How does a deceased person do this?

IMO without proof I don't believe Casey or Cindy's fable. If you do then Caylee has a few siblings out there that need to be found as they should be informed as next of kin.

There may indeed be realtives out there, but to seek that out right know is just going to bring how many more people into this case. And each of them will be scrutinized and picked over. God forbid one has a messy past, that for sure will be dragged out and fingers and accusations pointed. There are enough people involved in this as it is now. When the trial is over and the truth ( or what we can find of it) emerges, there will be time for looking for long lost relatives.

[?noanswer]

Thanks..That's all I thought she had too....Didn't live long enough to get much more:sad:

I think posters are referring to any monies that may be earned on her behalf such as license fees, books, etc. Those kinds of things should go into her estate. But if KC is convicted, then G&C would inherit the estate, so guess in the end doesn't make any difference if it goes into her estate. UNLESS, the father comes forth. He would inherit the estate. If he died and had other children, they would be half siblings to Caylee and therefore entitled to the estate. JMO

[~jomomma~]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

wow!!!! :mellow:

[happy2bme]

Kronk Shares New Details On Caylee's Remains

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html



This is so strange.

Is dCasey the one with 3 different phones?

[?noanswer]

I thought Casey and Cindy said the 'father' had died in a auto accident.

KC & C have said a lot of things, most of which are not true as they pertain to this case. JMO

[Lavenia]

Plus a cause of action for wrongful death against Casey. If it turns out that Casey negligently allowed her to die rather than actually murdered her intentionally (unlikely but theoretically possible) in the Anthonys' residence then the Anthonys homeowner's insurance liability policy might actually apply, depending how coverage clauses were written.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Oh SNAP! I had asked about that a long time ago but none of us knew. TYVM! :thumbup:

[smileyjoe]

Kronk Shares New Details On Caylee's Remains

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html

How convenient.

Joe.

[Neffy]

Kronk Shares New Details On Caylee's Remains

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html

For the love of all things great and small ROFLMAO! You've got to be kidding. D Casey following a psychic tip.

Cury tell me this isn't what you had in mind when you voted someone else outside of who LS listed as being on the other end of that phone.

For pete sake, this case just keeps on giving.

[Calla]

darn, i know i saw the link before but can't find it now...do you have it?

no sorry, I went to youtube and searched the casey- lee anothny phone call

[?noanswer]

I have no doubt someone directed him there. This was to blow up in front of a jury to cast reasonable doubt and I agree with the other posters that this was supposed to be Baez's aha moment. Alas a tape.

I believe it would have been debunked by science yet now you must unring that bell to the jury.

I'm not critqueing your post.

I cannot for the life of me see how anyone thought this could help. First of all, if it was the area that the body was, then the body would have been photographed. If they moved the body, took a picture to look like nothing was there, then replaced the body to be found, hoping it would look like the body was placed there after KC was in jail, then they would have disturbed a crime scene. From what we heard, there were plants growing thru the bones. When they moved the body, the plants would have been disturbed and died. They would have had to remove them and so it goes. They were as stupid as some other people who have made all these outrages statements about pizza, etc.

Having said all that, I'm glad that did it since they were caught. Just helps the prosecution with another nail in the KC guilty verdict. JMO

[kitty1182]

That is a shame indeed, Kitty. :sad:

One thing for sure, the Estate she has now, no one can cash in on it..
Her Estate now is worth more than anyone's on this earth...

[SavannahStar]

Kronk Shares New Details On Caylee's Remains

But on Monday, two sources said Casey said he was talking with a psychic who was telling him where to search along Suburban Drive. Investigators are reviewing that assertion.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html

:lol::lol::lol:

[Januarybaby]

Don't you think that all the movie and books deals will be finalized before KC goes to trial because there could be some legal problems after her conviction. imo I can't imagine how much these deals will be. No author could have made up this story,. imo

Think your right on that one because then the Son of Sam law kicks in once shes convicted.

[ishkabibble]

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony continues to benefit from the kindness and money of strangers.

Public records provided by the Orange County Jail showed that she received two $20 deposits just before the end of the year. One was from a Kentucky man. The other came from a benefactor in Melbourne.

With that money, she ordered snacks, including Cheese Puffs, granola bars and strawberry Pop Tarts.

As of Sunday, her jail commissary account sat at just less than $300.


from the link Cury just posted

cHRIST, ALL THIS FOOD how much of it can she eat? doesn't the jail worry about mice/bugs getting into all these snacks?

[desmom]

And why just one search, in one area. I read Kio Maries interview, it was interesting, but don't forget she was the one who had the "wrong Casey" who wanted to borrow money from her. That may have lessened the amount of importance LE gave her statement. Also, if I wanted to hide a body I don't know if I would put it in a place I know to be a "hang out". If I don't want it found I think I would put it far from human contact as I could. Is Kio the "Tia" Torres that Cindy was asking Casey about in jail? I thought she may have the wrong name, Cindy did say she was from the neighbohood.


playing catch up.....


And isn't Kiomarie the only one that said Casey wanted to give up Caylee for adoption?

[Neffy]

Oh SNAP! I had asked about that a long time ago but none of us knew. TYVM! :thumbup:

That's right during the last great debate over this. (come to think of it any debate ends up wheres KAT LOL)

[SavannahStar]

Yes it has. Casey named the father as being deceased. You insist he CHOSE to stay out of her life. How does a deceased person do this?

IMO without proof I don't believe Casey or Cindy's fable. If you do then Caylee has a few siblings out there that need to be found as they should be informed as next of kin.

Lawd have mercy, I don't have anyone on iggy but you sure do try my patience.

I do not INSIST on anything. My opinion is that he probably chose to stay out of her life.

Your opinion differs. That's FINE, Neffy, that's FINE.

[?noanswer]

Which IMO, just underscores how controlling and selfish Cindy Anthony is...a father has the right to know about his child and his child has the right to know who her father is...

Because they didn't put a name on the BC, right from the start they were taking from Caylee her right to know her father, find him at some point, and her paternal family.

And we all know how it turned out staying with her maternal family.

again, IMO.

Also C told the story that they went to a lawyer and had papers drawn up to make sure the father never had any involvement with Caylee. LE checked with the lawyer and he said that did not happen. Cannot believe anything KC & C has said about a father. JMO

[playnice]

You would think Casey would have confided in at least one friend about the baby's daddy. :confused:

Strange isnt it?

[Cury-us Coyote]

For the love of all things great and small ROFLMAO! You've got to be kidding. D Casey following a psychic tip.

Cury tell me this isn't what you had in mind when you voted someone else outside of who LS listed as being on the other end of that phone.

For pete sake, this case just keeps on giving.

Actually I had psychic in position 3 or 4 of the other possibilitities, with childhood friends/classmates much higher. jmo

[Januarybaby]

Did anyone else watch NG last night?

Usually her weekends are recaps of the week. Either I missed a show with all "extra" stuff from the jailhouse tapes or is it new?

[rambo55]

You stick with works for you and that seemed to work fine for her in the past.

I don't get what you are saying...

[Calla]

playing catch up.....


And isn't Kiomarie the only one that said Casey wanted to give up Caylee for adoption?

That's the only one I hear said it.

And it came from Casey.

And on the opposite end..it is said that CIndy offered to adopt her and Casey was defiant about it.

So :blink:

[spiritwolf46]

cHRIST, ALL THIS FOOD how much of it can she eat? doesn't the jail worry about mice/bugs getting into all these snacks?


I wonder what PPOF is going to do when the well runs dry? She only got a total of 40.00 from two different people and has less than 300.00 in her account. What will she do if no one else sends money? :cursing:

[CANDYKISSES]

You can see my post to Candy.

Sure I think there is a possibility the father didn't know he was a father. But I think the possibility he DID know, and did not wish to be a daddy, is greater. And I think that was just great with the Anthonys. They did not need financial support and wanted to raise Caylee on their own, with no contact with or from the father.

That is my opinion.

Part of it is based on personal experiences with people in this type of circumstance.

Unfortunately personal experience can be terribly misleading when you apply it with a broad brush to men IMO.

We know MR. GRUND encouraged JEsse to have a DNA test since Casey was allegedly a one night stand IIRC when she showed up some weeks later to allow Jessee a claim to paternity IIRC.

I don't remember the fairytales I'm reading here today, that's for sure.

So, as for her promiscuous nature, I don't believe it just started this year myself. JMO.

[Amy]

You are correct..a mother can put anyone she wants in most states...or not..but in mine, if you choose not to name him, you risk never being able to apply for any aid at all.

But it did fall on Casey's shoulders

In my state, you can put any name you want ON THE PAPERWORK for the birth certificate, but if you aren't married to the person named, it won't go on the certificate until he signs paternity papers. OTOH, she can name THE BABY anything she wants--give the baby any last name she chooses. Or, she can leave FOB blank.

[Neffy]

I'm not critqueing your post.

I cannot for the life of me see how anyone thought this could help. First of all, if it was the area that the body was, then the body would have been photographed. If they moved the body, took a picture to look like nothing was there, then replaced the body to be found, hoping it would look like the body was placed there after KC was in jail, then they would have disturbed a crime scene. From what we heard, there were plants growing thru the bones. When they moved the body, the plants would have been disturbed and died. They would have had to remove them and so it goes. They were as stupid as some other people who have made all these outrages statements about pizza, etc.

Having said all that, I'm glad that did it since they were caught. Just helps the prosecution with another nail in the KC guilty verdict. JMO

ITA with you. This is just the most inane bizarre thing I've ever seen.

[darcie]

I don't think it happens all the time that the mother doesn't have a clue who the father is. She would have to be extremely sexually active with many, many men during a short period of time. We have seen no evidence of that with Casey four years ago. IMO.

All it would take is two men...on two consecutive nights. Or one in the morning one in the evening. :tongue:

[ConchGirl]

Unfortunately personal experience can be terribly misleading when you apply it with a broad brush to men IMO.

We know MR. GRUND encouraged JEsse to have a DNA test since Casey was allegedly a one night stand IIRC when she showed up some weeks later to allow Jessee a claim to paternity IIRC.

I don't remember the fairytales I'm reading here today, that's for sure.

So, as for her promiscuous nature, I don't believe it just started this year myself. JMO.

From her habits I don't think it would be too hard to figure out who the daddy is from her cell phone records when Caylee would have been conceived. moo

[really3997]

Kathy Belich caught LA attorney in a mistruth...The Attorney said he saw that tape last week..That was a beatiful picture

[5boxersmom]

Kathy Belich caught LA attorney in a mistruth...The Attorney said he saw that tape last week..That was a beatiful picture

Oh yeah. :thumbsup: I like Kathi Belich.

[Calla]

All it would take is two men...on two consecutive nights. Or one in the morning one in the evening. :tongue:

Wouldn't even had to be 2 consecutive nights..could even be a longer break in between..depends on who is stronger ya know:blush:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18465074/index.html

[darcie]

Wouldn't even had to be 2 consecutive nights..could even be a longer break in between..depends on who is stronger ya know:blush:



Or, or, or........Nahhhh.. I won't even go there.
lol

:w00t:

[Neffy]

Actually I had psychic in position 3 or 4 of the other possibilitities, with childhood friends/classmates much higher. jmo

Did you really! You have to admit it's the perfect cover to hide someomes real identity from being known.

A one time search for remains following a psychic and taping it.

Can't wrap around that one in any believable way shape or form.

I just thought of the fact that D Casey has already said he was following up tips from KIO I'd thought. Now it's changed to a psychic.

I guess you'd be right on either account to what they'd say at least.

[Balesha]

Is it true that LP said that when Caylee's father's name is revealed that it would "shock the world"?

[ConchGirl]

Kathy Belich caught LA attorney in a mistruth...The Attorney said he saw that tape last week..That was a beatiful picture

Seems to be a lot of mistruths around the Anthony clan. :biggrin:

[BANJO GRANNY]

From her habits I don't think it would be too hard to figure out who the daddy is from her cell phone records when Caylee would have been conceived. mooWell IMO if she talked and texed as much then as she did when all of this happened, when did she have time for sex?:blink:




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[SavannahStar]

From her habits I don't think it would be too hard to figure out who the daddy is from her cell phone records when Caylee would have been conceived. moo


Heeeeeeheeeeee, well that's a good point.

[Lavenia]

cHRIST, ALL THIS FOOD how much of it can she eat? doesn't the jail worry about mice/bugs getting into all these snacks?

No, they don't! :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

In my state, you can put any name you want ON THE PAPERWORK for the birth certificate, but if you aren't married to the person named, it won't go on the certificate until he signs paternity papers. OTOH, she can name THE BABY anything she wants--give the baby any last name she chooses. Or, she can leave FOB blank.


In the state I am familiar with you are not allowed to put the name on the paperwork unless you are married or the father agrees to it, signs it right there. Otherwise paternity testing is required to have a father listed.

[kitty1182]

because if they found the body, they could hide it better thus improving kc's chances and preserving the Caylee is alive myth. I'll wager baez was on the other end of that phone call. It wasn't just to film the area, but to look for her body so it could be moved imo.

I think it was JB too..

[Calla]

Did you really! You have to admit it's the perfect cover to hide someomes real identity from being known.

A one time search for remains following a psychic and taping it.

Can't wrap around that one in any believable way shape or form.

I just thought of the fact that D Casey has already said he was following up tips from KIO I'd thought. Now it's changed to a psychic.

I guess you'd be right on either account to what they'd say at least.
But could Kio be psychic?:huh:

[happy2bme]

Is it true that LP said that when Caylee's father's name is revealed that it would "shock the world"?


I beleive he did.

[rambo55]

Meanwhile, Casey Anthony continues to benefit from the kindness and money of strangers.

Public records provided by the Orange County Jail showed that she received two $20 deposits just before the end of the year. One was from a Kentucky man. The other came from a benefactor in Melbourne.

With that money, she ordered snacks, including Cheese Puffs, granola bars and strawberry Pop Tarts.

As of Sunday, her jail commissary account sat at just less than $300.


from the link Cury just posted

Disgusting isn't she? Who could be sitting in a cell knowing the person is out there that reduced your child to a bag of bones is free? If she wasn't responsible, she would be knocking down walls trying to get the "nannys" description out there.She
STILL hasnt asked for the kidnapper to come forward.

[Calla]

Is it true that LP said that when Caylee's father's name is revealed that it would "shock the world"?

He did say something like that IIRC

[Neffy]

Kathy Belich caught LA attorney in a mistruth...The Attorney said he saw that tape last week..That was a beatiful picture


I can't believe it!

Bahahhahahaha.

I'd be quaken in my boots if I were Lee with this guy defending me on possible osbstruction charges. Hope he didn't make that up to!

[smileyjoe]

Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18465074/index.html

Something is very wrong. Just not right with this attorney.

imo.

Joe.

[Daffodil]

I beleive he did.

Do you remember when he said that? Was Casey already out on bond?

One possibility could be Jose.

[Lavenia]

That's right during the last great debate over this. (come to think of it any debate ends up wheres KAT LOL)

Maybe we could get her on retainer? Hey Kaaatttt....

[desmom]

You are correct there. By the same token, if she had been sleeping with two different men at the time Caylee was conceived, she certainly would have had at least a "clue" as to who the father was. And so would the two men have a "clue" that they might be a daddy. So if that were the case why didn't one of them go to the court system to have paternity proven, so that he could be a part of Caylee's life?

I think perhaps the ONLY way there is a father out there who really has NO clue, would be if it were a one-night stand and they just met up by chance and he didn't even know Casey's name and vice versa. Someone brought that up the other day. That's possible too. But also in that case, I doubt the guy would have wanted the responsibility of fatherhood.

I don't think we will ever know who the father is. Nor are we entitled to.

My opinion.

Casey said Jesse was the father.

Some of Casey's friends told LE in their interviews Casey said the father was a friend of Lee's home visiting, a co-worker from Universal, was in the Army and was killed in a car accident while driving to Caylee's lst b-day 2nd b-day... jmo

[5boxersmom]

Do you all realize we have been here on this case almost 6 months and almost everyday something weird, wacky or :w00t: comes out? :biggrin:

jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

[Neffy]

But could Kio be psychic?:huh:

Only in this case would it be possible :)

[?noanswer]

I can't believe it!

Bahahhahahaha.

I'd be quaken in my boots if I were Lee with this guy defending me on possible osbstruction charges. Hope he didn't make that up to!

I'm sure glad K Belich is on top of this. She rocks!!! JMO

[smileyjoe]

Do you all realize we have been here on this case almost 6 months and almost everyday something weird, wacky or :w00t: comes out? :biggrin:

jmo

Yes. I've been reading for the most part, until recently.

And I agree.

Joe.

[starling]

Here's a thought, maybe LE has leaked the 'Casey did it alone & it was no accident' to get Casey to confess: 'NO! It WAS an accident!'

I wish.
So we could stick a fork in her.
JMO

[5boxersmom]

Casey said Jesse was the father.

Some of Casey's friends told LE in their interviews Casey said the father was a friend of Lee's home visiting, a co-worker from Universal, was in the Army and was killed in a car accident while driving to Caylee's lst b-day 2nd b-day... jmo

Then Cindy said to Greta that he was killed in the beginning of last year. Then friends have said the name Brandon and others have said the name Eric. hammer

jmo

[~jomomma~]

Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18465074/index.html

oh my gosh! :blink:

[SavannahStar]

He did say something like that IIRC

As if LP knows who the father is. Yeh right. :biggrin:

[happy2bme]

Do you remember when he said that? Was Casey already out on bond?

One possibility could be Jose.


I am not real sure.

[really3997]

Something is very wrong. Just not right with this attorney.

imo.

Joe.

yes there is...Dah did I see it last week ...aaahhh no no I didn't...Did you hear him state Lee denies talking to him..HMMM

[Neffy]

Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html
http://www.wftv.com/video/18465074/index.html

The only thing I can gleen from this is if Luka says it wasn't Lee then it just well may have been LOL

[~jomomma~]

Do you all realize we have been here on this case almost 6 months and almost everyday something weird, wacky or :w00t: comes out? :biggrin:

jmo

no kidding!!!! usually, we go into a quiet, still period before the trial where there is no news.

holy crap!!! not with THIS case! :unsure:

[Calla]

As if LP knows who the father is. Yeh right. :biggrin:

I would come as close to believeing what he says as anyone else at this point..

[Lavenia]

All it would take is two men...on two consecutive nights. Or one in the morning one in the evening. :tongue:

It can actually be 2 or more at the same time, not saying that's the case here, just that it's possible. It just depends on which "swimmer" gets there first regardless of time of "deposit".

[really3997]

Do you all realize we have been here on this case almost 6 months and almost everyday something weird, wacky or :w00t: comes out? :biggrin:

jmo

Well I found that the "bombshells" comes out on Friday and all the cover up and back tracks start Monday..bunch of wacky turns then it goes quiet then Bam Friday again

[happy2bme]

The only thing I can gleen from this is if Luka says it wasn't Lee then it just well may have been LOL


Did I imagine this but did I read or hear that Lee moved back in with George & Cindy?

[legalmania]

I bet the judge will have to appoint a personal representative to handle Caylee's estate, with all the book and movie deals being offered an impartial attorney will have to handle this estate IMO. I hope most of it is awarded to the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, in Caylees name.

[Zeus]

Think your right on that one because then the Son of Sam law kicks in once shes convicted.

Is it still in effect in Florida? It was overturned in some states in the early 1990's and ruled a violation of the First Amendment by the U.S. Supreme Court.

[~jomomma~]

Well I found that the "bombshells" comes out on Friday and all the cover up and back tracks start Monday..bunch of wacky turns then it goes quiet then Bam Friday again

no kidding!!! :biggrin:

[Anakerie]

Casey said Jesse was the father.

Some of Casey's friends told LE in their interviews Casey said the father was a friend of Lee's home visiting, a co-worker from Universal, was in the Army and was killed in a car accident while driving to Caylee's lst b-day 2nd b-day... jmo
In other words, Casey probably doesn't know who it is? :blink: