Monday January 12 - Part II

[Motomom]

I saw only one video where Cindy was obviously exhausted. Or medicated. Or both.

George had to do all the lying on that particular video.

That video was very upsetting to me. She really looked terrible that night.

[Motomom]

OMG .....I have tried to block that....

Again, not an excuse for the behavior of this family.

You and me both..if ever a family needed to be arrested that one was it..

[MrsHudson]

When Dominic Casey made the video in the woods, was he working for the Ants at that time?

And what is the point of making a video in the first place? What was it to be used for? To prove or disprove something? What is the theory?

Help! I'm lost. :huh:

Moon

I am not exactly lost I just can't get all worked up about it. I don't like the A's and I think that's well known but I just have not seen any evidence that they knew where Caylee's body was in Nov. If it turns out they did then it's goin go be a bombshell. But I just don't see how that leap is being made at this point.

[CelticDawn]

I saw only one video where Cindy was obviously exhausted. Or medicated. Or both.

George had to do all the lying on that particular video.

sharkie dont bite your tongue :lol:

The one where he was somewhat meekly saying how they weren't doing anything wrong....how could they be.....

cindy looked physically ill on that oen too IMO

[Neffy]

I saw only one video where Cindy was obviously exhausted. Or medicated. Or both.

George had to do all the lying on that particular video.

I can't believe George didn't notice or noticed and did nothing.

That was another bizarre moment. What the heck was that all about.

Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank.

[MrsHudson]

sorry to keep posting this but I find it very fascinating. Listen to the short video excerpt between Lee and Casey, casey says "she is close to hope"



http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

Wow she sure does say hope!

[Tracian]

Yes, and that's why so many people lawyer up these days, even families of accused.
I had a good friend who was involved in a murder case, (not the one who did it...) and she advised me that if the police ever came to my door, to not let them do a search unless they had a warrant. I have a son in law enforcement, so I have a great deal of respect for them. But if I were falsely accused of a crime, I would not make their job easy for them. People started their hate campaign against the Anthonys very early on, and I don't blame them for some of the things they've said and done.
I think they believed that Casey was telling the truth, maybe they still do. I think that they could not accept the fact that she could have killed her baby, and that's part of the reason they hung on to that premise for as long as they did. The other part... and maybe it's the biggest part... is that they had to "save face." They could not bear to say, in front of a camera, that it was possible that the daughter they loved and had raised was capable of such a heinous crime. I don't know if they will ever admit it but I don't believe their "covering up" for Casey was anything more than just denial and not being able to believe she was a murderer. I think most of us, especially mothers, would have a hard time facing that fact if it were our own.


Having a hard time facing that fact?

Cindy told Casey's friends she was a sociopath. Cindy told Casey she was an unfit mother. Cindy called police twice to report her for theft...

Save face? How much would they be willing to sacrifice to save face? Casey abusing Caylee...can't have the neighbors gossiping after all...better to hide possible abuse of their grandchild...obviously it was easier to lie about 'having kidnappers under surveillance' then tell the truth.

[happygert]

Gawd, that was a beauty. :thumbsup: One of the best yet. Lee's starting to look good as the mystery person on the other end of D. Casey's cell phone call.

Luka was asked if that was Lee on couch with the PI and Luka said I dont think so...LOL he dont know what His own Client looks like......LOL he said he didn't think casey and Lee had any contact then they show a video of Lee with casey.....

[3Monkeys]

And what is this nonsense about saving something to the phone and not the card or vice versa. Is that possible? Is this true?

Actually, when she said that in one of her first interviews with LE, I knew exactly what she was talking about.

I used to have a Motorola where I could save pictures and/or phone numbers to either the portable SIM card and/or to the phone itself. Think of the SIM card as being portable memory and the phone being the hard drive.

I quickly learned how to use this feature when I did some extensive traveling and had to purchase SIM cards from the different countries I went to. It was helpful to have the phone numbers saved to the 'phone' which was a constant as well as to the different countries SIM cards.

I believe in her statement that she said something like she was still learning how that feature worked. I found that a bit odd, because unlike me, she seemed pretty tech savy... and if I could figure it out... well... there you go. I could completely believe that statement (on it's own, not knowing everything else about her) if she had just said she hadn't bothered to save the numbers to the SIM card.

Hope this makes sense.

[TxLady2]

you're right!...good memory:thumbup:
...Yuri asks, repeatedly "when did i pick up the car?"..."Cindy, when was the car picked up?"....she finally says, "the next day", but goes on to say something along the lines of "well, that's how i count days".....just wild to watch:blink:...i watched it last night; i'd never seen it before...

Let me see if I have this figured out. Cindy went and found Casey on July 15th, late in the afternoon or evening, right? And the detectives stayed at the house till the wee hours of the morning July 16th. Then that day, the 16th, Casey was led all over he11's half acre, showing them where she didn't work, and where she didn't drop Caylee off, and where ZG didn't live, right? Then she was arrested that same day, the 16th, after they had their chat in a room at Universal? Then they called the tow truck to pick up the car the next day, the 17th. So, to Cindy, from the 15th till the 17th is two days. I thought I remembered something in the documents or timeline when they actually towed it to impound was the 17th. Two days. Cindy was right. Unless I'm wrong, which might be right. Confused yet??

[MrsHudson]

I don't know, but I do know a family who fights, sometimes literally, people for doing dead body searches rather than live, had their own PI out with a gardening shovel, knife and metal rod to find Caylee.

Pot calling the kettle black.

Btw, noticed he wasn't walking around with a big shovel? A gardening shovel.

Did he really have a shovel? I only saw a trowel. He did not look like he was properly dressed or supplied to be doing what he was doing out there. He should have had on heavy gloves and a hat and work shoes. It looks like he was in shirt sleeves and street shoes. Sort of hasty looking I guess is my impression.

[Neffy]

The most incompetent, worst public speaking, not helping their clients in any way, attorneys.

No wonder Linda Kenney Baden hasn't said near as much about this case as the others have.

Although... that might have to do with the fact Mrs. Baden hasn't gotten herself completely up to date on this case.

She says she gets her updates from the media. (per her Geraldo appearance)

It was actually humorous. She looks towards the camera to talk to Geraldo and he I guess almost chastizes her to look back at the screen viewing that PI vid and speak to him while watching. So the woman does it. Wouldn't point one eye in Geraldo's direction. I was laughing so hard.

[Motomom]

... but not as terrible as Caylee looked, rotting in a bag in the woods.

Right, Motomom?

Right.. I know

[happygert]

Wow she sure does say hope!

Yep MrsHudson she does.....ned to e-mail that clip to D.A's office shelbar

[Dells]

Casey doesn't think out her lies past the moment.

Initially, we were led to believe that she couldn't expose the Nanny because she had been handed a script and she feared for her daughters life and the lives of her family.

But now that Caylee is dead, there would be nothing stopping her from singing like a canary to catch the killers of her child.

Bottom line: She's busted. She knows she is. The world sees through her lies, and her only hope now is that the LE team made a mistake that will allow her lawyers to exclude evidence from trial so that she can get off on reasonable doubt.

Great post, and so true. With the mountain of evidence against her, I think even if there are some mistakes and some evidence is excluded from trial she will still be convicted. So far all the evidence points solely and directly to her.

[Neffy]

Did he really have a shovel? I only saw a trowel. He did not look like he was properly dressed or supplied to be doing what he was doing out there. He should have had on heavy gloves and a hat and work shoes. It looks like he was in shirt sleeves and street shoes. Sort of hasty looking I guess is my impression.

That was really misleading. I was shocked when the video actually showed him with a trowel. Everyone on Geraldo described it as a shovel.

[Calla]

It slaps me in the face , its well obvious how much pain the woman is in and has had. She held up as long as she could , she did a good job.I hope she is able to pull through somewhat .
thank you
I was speaking of the video when Cindy obviously realizes Casey isn't going to help find Caylee ..Cindy breaks down. George goes back later & tells Casey it is killing her mother.
Sometimes I think some of CIndy's behavior is because they went to great lengths to keep things from her. What they believed to be sheltering her is in reality protecting them from the reaction they would get for being screw ups......it's more about their shortcomings than about what others call her wrath.
I can say this because I have lived it .

I dont care if people don't understand what I am saying. I only expect those who have experienced it to understand.
imoo

[MrsHudson]

to prove it wasnt there so when they found it and put it somewhere else they would be believed. tomorrow I will have a different theory when I think about it some more.

Yeah but I don't think it would prove it wasn't there. It could have been there and they just did not tape it laying there but just skipped over it laying there and taped everything else. I just don't see how they could prove it wasn't there because who would trust they had not just skipped where it was laying. See what I mean?

[Motomom]

That was really misleading. I was shocked when the video actually showed him with a trowel. Everyone on Geraldo described it as a shovel.

I would have described it as a little shovel..but I have a habit of making up words, cause I have a problem with words. I was expecting a big shovel.

[Dells]

Question: If the Anthony's own the tape, is their ownership because the PI was working for them, or did they give him specific instructions on where to tape and when to do so?

I thin LE ought to just lock all of the family up until they tell the truth. These people are playing games, it is getting sicker by the day.

I agree. I am so tired of all the games. I wish they would just start telling the truth.

[Neffy]

Actually, when she said that in one of her first interviews with LE, I knew exactly what she was talking about.

I used to have a Motorola where I could save pictures and/or phone numbers to either the portable SIM card and/or to the phone itself. Think of the SIM card as being portable memory and the phone being the hard drive.

I quickly learned how to use this feature when I did some extensive traveling and had to purchase SIM cards from the different countries I went to. It was helpful to have the phone numbers saved to the 'phone' which was a constant as well as to the different countries SIM cards.

I believe in her statement that she said something like she was still learning how that feature worked. I found that a bit odd, because unlike me, she seemed pretty tech savy... and if I could figure it out... well... there you go. I could completely believe that statement (on it's own, not knowing everything else about her) if she had just said she hadn't bothered to save the numbers to the SIM card.

Hope this makes sense.

Tx for your reply. I couldn't tell if that was actually true as she stated it flawlessly why it wasn't possible to give LE what they wanted. So I figured either she's lying or she'd honed that part of her story.

[CelticDawn]

Yes they had so many conflicting statements I couldn't remember them all. The first 5 minutes I heard Cindy on Greta's say the psudo-nanny was a longtime family friend but she had never met her, seen her, spoken with her, didn't have her phone number or address I knew she was not an honest person. That is not believeable. Later on the A's FBI interviews Cindy says she has ZG's phone # & address right there in her address book and makes a point of showing it to the agents without prompting. And then people wonder why we don't believe her. sheesh. I've never seen anything like this outside John Couey's relatives lying to FBI when they came to the door. When he had Jessica Lunsford right there in the house. People are horrible.

a mazing...!!!

what bogus document or address did she actually give them???

[Pruddennce]

She is exhausted, keeping up with all the stories has to be exhausting.

Cindy A deflected, bobbed and weaved when asked simple questions during her LE/FBI interviews. but did not miss a beat when 'recounting what Casey told her' over the course of ONE SOLID MONTH....how tangled and complicated THOSE stories were....yet she could enumerate, point by point, dates, times, reasons, people, sister, mother, uncles, places, talked of people she never met...right down to Zanny's injuries....good grief...

its exhausting LISTENING to her...

she was exhilerated, proud even, 'do I intimidate you?' she asks LE....

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[MrsHudson]

Cury.. I just searched for about an hour for a link that I would swear was posted last night in regards to LE knowing who d.Casey was on the phone too but were not releasing the name. I know I am not going crazy.. or am I?? LOL I searched my history on both browsers and most pages from last nights thread.. I cannot find it at all.. maybe it was all blending together for me.. or I am losing it LOL.


You are not going crazy I remember too where I read LE had the name but was not releasing it.

[Dells]

I think you could be right about that. This whole horrible case is so full of predators & vultures circling around, just waiting for their moment to strike & get the bucks, it is sickening.

JMO

Yeah, it seems like it has become more about the money for some people instead of respecting the memory of Caylee. Hopefully they can lay that beautiful child to rest soon.

[Neffy]

I would have described it as a little shovel..but I have a habit of making up words, cause I have a problem with words. I was expecting a big shovel.

Little shovel is still better. I'm expecting to see him pitch it into the ground and jump on the rung with both feet so when I saw it LOL!

[Motomom]

I agree. I am so tired of all the games. I wish they would just start telling the truth.

Yeah, well when LE gives them immunity they well :sneaky: How's that?
I do have to wonder why LE hasn't given immunity yet, that we've heard anyway.

[Dells]

If it is JB, they better bring in the dream team to start the plea deal process- only one person could tell him where the body was. imo

I agree, but I don't think that Casey will ever admit to murdering Caylee. She will take this secret to her grave.

[Tracian]

I think we have our answer to that one, Tracian.

Sadly, we do...

[3Monkeys]

Tx for your reply. I couldn't tell if that was actually true as she stated it flawlessly why it wasn't possible to give LE what they wanted. So I figured either she's lying or she'd honed that part of her story.

No worries.

Factually, what she said could be true. 'Is it true?' is another beast.

[Motomom]

You are not going crazy I remember too where I read LE had the name but was not releasing it.

Thank you Mrshudson..if you get the urge to check your history it would make me feel better..but I understand if you can't. Trust me, i searched for an entire hour uggg All in due time we will find out exactly who it was on the phone.

[need2no]

I saw only one video where Cindy was obviously exhausted. Or medicated. Or both.

George had to do all the lying on that particular video.


Isn't it just heartwarming how one steps up to the plate for the other. :biggrin:

[Dells]

Just back from dinner/dishes etc. and watched the video with Kathi Belich. I am really surprised she didn't follow up when Lee's attorney finally had to say it wasn't THAT video he saw.

Well which video DID he see?

Well the impression that I got is that he did see the actual tape and that he was just trying to back track out of saying that he did see. He's made a few blunders like this already. IMO he should just keep quiet about everything. You can't get yourself into trouble that way.

[Neffy]

That video was very upsetting to me. She really looked terrible that night.

I was really angered by seeing that. To me that just proved the disrespect of that family's dynamics to each other. George was totally clueless. Didn't look at her once.

[Motomom]

Well the impression that I got is that he did see the actual tape and that he was just trying to back track out of saying that he did see. He's made a few blunders like this already. IMO he should just keep quiet about everything. You can't get yourself into trouble that way.


I think that some of these lawyers really had no grasp at all on what they were walking into.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I would have described it as a little shovel..but I have a habit of making up words, cause I have a problem with words. I was expecting a big shovel.


Is that is why someone googles shovel?

[steffaroob4]

You are not going crazy I remember too where I read LE had the name but was not releasing it.

It was on the fox35 link.
DC told LE.

[Dells]

From what I understand the trial is still set for March but you can bet that the defense will throw a kink in that date. They haven't asked for a change of venue yet and I'm sure they will find several ways to delay...delay...delay...as they are well known for delaying a trial for months and months. I hope it does happen in March but am not holding my breath.

One of the TH's on HLN on Prime News said last week that it is a real possibility that the defense can delay the trial so that it won't even start in 2009.:scared: I am sure if that happened we would all be delirious by then, lol!:laugh: Seriously though, can the defense get in any sort of trouble if it appears that they are just delaying on purpose? Or are they given a lot of leeway w/that?

[Motomom]

I didn't think the protestors in front of the A's house was a very good idea. When they and the A's started arguing it frightened me and I thought it could easily turn into a very volatile and dangerous situation.

If you look at the interview Lee does with LE you will see that they had a back escape way they came and went from the house. Proving from early on in this case they did not have to be out there verbally sparring with protestors. In the best interest of everyone concerned I think they should have stayed away from the front yard. True it was their front grass but why the stirring of the pot? Cindy pounding signs in her front yard. I believe she went out there for the purpose of arguing with the protestors. Because as Lee tells it to LE, it wasn't necessary.

Source: doc dump sticky - this forum

I agree.. I remember back when it was going on we had some saying how it was their front yard and their right..which it was..However, they never used the front door, they didn't go out in that front yard and hang out. Probably only to cut the grass. they used the garage and went into the house that way..their life was in the backyard, so there was no reason for them to go out front to confront those people. two wrongs and all that jazz..

[MrsHudson]

I think she's saying "home" but it's six of one and half a dozen of the other as to how it sounds because nasally speaking, Casey is all plugged up. You can hear that in other words in that audio.

The thing I find funny is when someone asks her a question, she has to go through the whole list of players that she has had the same response to when they asked her the same question. It's like, just so you know I'm giving you the same answer as I gave them----who gives a carp!! JMO

That's a good point. Hold your nose and say "home." It sounds like hope. Yep I think you are right! Good thinking! :beer:

[Tracian]

Cindy A deflected, bobbed and weaved when asked simple questions during her LE/FBI interviews. but did not miss a beat when 'recounting what Casey told her' over the course of ONE SOLID MONTH....how tangled and complicated THOSE stories were....yet she could enumerate, point by point, dates, times, reasons, people, sister, mother, uncles, places, talked of people she never met...right down to Zanny's injuries....good grief...

its exhausting LISTENING to her...

she was exhilerated, proud even, 'do I intimidate you?' she asks LE....

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Bolding mine:

That really bugged me...seemed completely inappropriate, especially under the circumstances.

It seems to me that Cindy says that a lot to people...it seems to be her nature from watching her.

[Dells]

I'm glad she didn't follow up with it and give him a chance to confuse a listener with another lie, one that couldn't be verified.....the lasting impression I have of this man is his admitting he didn't see the video...he's a liar. Am I going to believe anything he says...nope. That was all she needed to do to expose him. WTG Kathy!

Exactly, she definitely made her point w/the interview. His credibility does not look too good right now.

[TxLady2]

I would tell my attorney..hit the pike mike. If I was innocent, I would give up anything to help find my child, my niece, my nephew and my neighbors child. although i'm reading the book called the innocent man and LE can be scary, evil, and wrong at times.. but I hope and really don't think that is the case most often. There is always a bad apple..doesn't make them all bad, all the time. With this case they knew from DAY ONE who was responsible.

If my child or grandchild were missing, I would cooperate fully with LE if I knew I was innocent. But if LE started accusing me of things, then I would make them get a warrant for everything... prints, DNA, etc.
I've known of people falsely accused of crimes. I've known of LE keeping them in a locked room, pounding them with questions for hours and hours, without even a drink of water, or a bathroom break... and they finally break down and confess, just to get relief. Not all LE are like that... but they go by hunches and gut feelings, and sometimes those hunches are wrong. I recall a case several years ago, a little 2 or 3-yr old girl turned up missing and they got a false confession out of her father, and he had helped search for her. I think later it turned out that they found the real killer, but they beat that poor man down till he just confessed so they would stop hounding him.
I've heard of cops lying to suspects, telling them they KNOW they did it, using any kind of lie they can think of just to get a confession.
I am pretty sure that didn't happen here, because these rogue LE are found out sooner or later, and OCSO seems to have a good reputation. But this is one thing that bothered Cindy and George... they say that OCSO honed in on Casey from the start and never looked at any other possibility. For good reason... yes... but her family couldn't accept that, and so it caused them to distrust them. Thus, the reluctance to cooperate.

[Motomom]

Is that is why someone googles shovel?

Hmmm.. I wouldn't..why would anyone google that? Who googled that, or when in the A's home?

[Dells]

As another poster stated earlier even the lawyers will need lawyers before this is over. :laugh:

So true!:lol:

[bluwaters]

I can't believe George didn't notice or noticed and did nothing.

That was another bizarre moment. What the heck was that all about.

Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank.
I believe GA is a con man.
He takes people in, yet he seems to be the one that put his family into a financial disaster. He lives off of Cindy, as his employment record seems unsteady, since long before Caylee went missing too.

~George, I think that you are a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things. ~paraphrased, FBI interview.

[Neffy]

No worries.

Factually, what she said could be true. 'Is it true?' is another beast.

Either way the same thing bothered me. She wasn't upset that she had these numbers and couldn't access them. Kinda like Sorry bub but........ I reported it missing from my "non-existant desk".

I mean c'mon...Your daughters at the other end of those numbers Casey that you can't access and that's all you got? That was really unsettling.

Casey just couldn't grasp why they weren't believing her either.

[Calla]

Can you tell me which video this is, pls.

the jailhouse vist when cindy breaks down..I thought I said that..sry

No I dont have a link..I just search youtube to watch them..I don't keep the links. i don't even know the date of it.but I can go look unless you want to:biggrin:

[VII]

Little shovel is still better. I'm expecting to see him pitch it into the ground and jump on the rung with both feet so when I saw it LOL!

U and me BOTH, Neffy :lol:
I think Geraldo was the one who dubbed that little tool a "shovel".
to HIM maybe :lol:

[MrsHudson]

So you're saying that the Ants directed Dominic Casey to make a video showing no bag/body IN THE EXACT SPOT WHERE SHE WAS FOUND? And this was done so that they could say "Casey didn't do it - she was in jail". And this was part of a cover-up because the Ants knew all along that Caylee was dead AND knew where her body was? I appreciate the answers to my post and I understand now this working theory. However, IMO.....

it's weak. First, even thought the Ants are vile, I don't believe they knew Caylee was dead and where her body was. That's just too depraved, even for them. Secondly, trying to prove a negative by taking a video of the area is like saying there is no needle in the haystack because I didn't see it when I filmed the haystack. Unless DC got down on hands and knees and crawled through the dense, overgrown jungle while simultaneously filming, I don't see how a sweeping video of the area proves anything.

To me the video was done as part of footage that will be edited together and used later when someone makes a documentary of this case.

I think you are correct. I am not seeing anything sinister in this video. DCasey might have just gone there to rule it out that she was there at the spot Kiomarie talked about. Kiomarie was the only one who had a good idea where Casey would dispose of Caylee. Maybe after months of searching for a live Caylee, DCasey just decided to check out Kiomarie's old lead just to rule it out that by a longshot Kiomarie was onto something.

[TxLady2]

What does everyone think about this? I agree with Tim. I think it's ridiculous for Baez to ask for this really. They did NOT find her, so they shouldn't be required to give up any of that information IMO. The bug and plant experts should have enough information for Baez to be satisfied when that body was put there.

Maybe one reason Baez is asking for this information is because of all the strange things that went on while TES was searching. People who claimed to be with TES and were not.. the dress that Tim took credit for finding that turned out not to be Caylee's, and then it was actually "found" by someone who didn't follow TES' guidelines or wasn't one of his volunteers, I forget.. and a dozen other little odd things that went on. But I don't blame Tim, this is information on volunteers who signed on with them, I guess.
Do you think Baez is going to try to say that someone with TES put the body there? Good grief!

[Tracian]

Yes.

And was it necessary to appear?

Was it an appearance where Cindy & George made a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' to return Caylee unharmed?

No. It wasn't.

Where can I find the video of anyone involved in this case making a plea for Caylee's safe return?

I've searched high & low. To no avail.



Never happened. We discussed this on a different board sometime ago, because it seemed odd, especially when the kidnappers were being watched by the invisible forces George reported.

[MrsHudson]

Yall know....Ive really tried to have compassion for the a?nthonys...I really have....I have kids...I wouldnt want to be treated like they have....but at the same time...I wouldnt be acting like them....LE would have had full reign of my house cars and whatever else they needed to find my grandbaby....and if I had an iota of an inkling that another one of my kids had harmed the "missing" one....We would MAKE that kid come clean...

These people have been nothing but deceitful callous and finger-pointing from the get go.

I agree with you 100%!

[Neffy]

I believe GA is a con man.
He takes people in, yet he seems to be the one that put his family into a financial disaster. He lives off of Cindy, as his employment record seems unsteady, since long before Caylee went missing too.

~George, I think that you are a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things. ~paraphrased, FBI interview.

Originally Posted by Neffy
I can't believe George didn't notice or noticed and did nothing.

That was another bizarre moment. What the heck was that all about.

Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank..

OH my god did that come out wrong! This was my thought on TIm Miller : "Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

ARRRRRGH! That was humiliating to read let alone find my name attached YIKES!

disclaimer disclaimer bowing head in shame on that one. Should have been UNLIKE TIM MILLER Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

[VII]

snip

~George, I think that you are a guy who knows a lot about a lot of things. ~paraphrased, FBI interview.


I agree w/what you observe about him.
When I heard the FBI say that to him, a chill went down my spine cuz the ~tone~ indicated they thought he was full of ....
stuff.

[3Monkeys]

Either way the same thing bothered me. She wasn't upset that she had these numbers and couldn't access them. Kinda like Sorry bub but........ I reported it missing from my "non-existant desk".

I mean c'mon...Your daughters at the other end of those numbers Casey that you can't access and that's all you got? That was really unsettling.

Casey just couldn't grasp why they weren't believing her either.

Oh my gosh, we could go on and on forever about what was unsettling about just that point of that interview, the entire interview, and then every subsequent interview and action afterwards! I can't even wrap my head around my feelings for this person!

Of course, there was no 'other number' on the 'other phone' she left at her non-existent work desk where she filed a non-existent claim for the loss of the 'other phone'. IMO whether she had another phone that was lost is not too significant when you add all the rest up.

Rant over... I feel better!

ETA - I did think it was a clever excuse that she came up with after thinking about it for '32' days.... sinister, yet clever.

[Neffy]

Is that is why someone googles shovel?

Nice try :laugh:

[Motomom]

Do you think Baez is going to try to say that someone with TES put the body there? Good grief!

No Tx, I don't think that. I think Baez wants to some how prove that the body wasn't there before Casey was jailed.. that's what I think. Course you can't prove a negative so he's beat.

[Motomom]

OH my god did that come out wrong! This was my thought on TIm Miller : "Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

ARRRRRGH! That was humiliating to read let alone find my name attached YIKES!

disclaimer disclaimer bowing head in shame on that one. Should have been UNLIKE TIM MILLER Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

LOL Neffy.. I knew who you were talking about.

[MrsHudson]

What makes the As look so bad is the WAY they dont cooperate....They practically bully LE and give these backhanded ultimatums "either we get immunity or we dont tell the truth"....Well....What else IS there for grandparents of a murdered child EXCEPT the truth....To them....Caylee is just a memory...casey is a chain around their necks.....It seems that the person for whom this whole elegal process seeks justice is somehow IN THEIR WAY!


Dirty and low down is the only description I can come up with....and I am a compasdionate person....perhaps too soft...<all that ever gets you is hurt> IMO....

Dirty and low down really sums them up.

[happy2bme]

Could be one of the better reasons why they are so cautious with LE. They know better than most.

imo


meaning???

[happy2bme]

Could be one of the better reasons why they are so cautious with LE. They know better than most.

imo


I forgot GA was LE.

[summer4meplz]

I think you are correct. I am not seeing anything sinister in this video. DCasey might have just gone there to rule it out that she was there at the spot Kiomarie talked about. Kiomarie was the only one who had a good idea where Casey would dispose of Caylee. Maybe after months of searching for a live Caylee, DCasey just decided to check out Kiomarie's old lead just to rule it out that by a longshot Kiomarie was onto something.


but it certainly doesn't explain his call to Hoover saying they know where Caylee is and they are going to go get her.....

the whole entire story is bizarre as is the meter reader's....let's not forget to watch gma tomorrow.....i wonder if they are going to show the pic they spent an "undisclosed" amount on....

[Neffy]

You had me wondering there for a minute. I patiently awaited your above correction. :)

:scared: I couldn't decide whether to wash my hands or poke my eyes out after reading who it was from LOL!

[Motomom]

When was again that they lied to authorities. Need a reminder.

It would be a shorter list if we went with the truths.. lets not forget what Conway asked for and why.

[Tracian]

And you, my friend have time to be on a message board all day? JMO.


Rude much? Tell ya what, when Bluwaters has a grandchild come up missing and plays the silly games the A's have played you have the right to call her finances into question, until then, it is not any of my business on how you make your living, or how other posters make theirs.

I know a few posters that are disabled, some are recovering from cancer, some retired, others pop in and out posting at work, or have the means to kick back and enjoy.

What does that have to do with any of our opinions, except just a tactic to attack a poster that does not agree with one or another's point of view.

[happy2bme]

I think its self explanatory. Although it probably has different meanings to different people.

Yeah, you are most likely right. I have never been in LE...GA has...so he knows the smell of decomp. He would know how to handle it. thanks for reminding me. :smile:

[~layla~]

It would be a shorter list if we went with the truths.. lets not forget what Conway asked for and why.

Right. The truth list is much easier to keep track of.

:seeya: Hi all. Anything new today/night?

[VII]

Well, looks like the ~gang~ is moving IN ...
Think I'll move ON
NITE cha'll !!
:cool:

[Neffy]

It would be a shorter list if we went with the truths.. lets not forget what Conway asked for and why.

Layla asked him for one last night.........she's still waiting.

[TxLady2]

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/publications/fam_surv.pdf page 6

Message from Attorney General John Ashcrof on Missing Children's Day: ........

When your Child is Missing: A Family Survival Guide was written by parents and family members whose children were abducted, and tragically murdered, or are still missing. It provides helpful and practical tips for families about what to do when their child is missing and how to best help law enforcement in the search and recovery of their child.

Lots of etiquette books have been written over the years, and I still serve dinner on paper plates sometimes... and eat fried chicken with my fingers. Big deal.
I doubt that the A's read the book linked. But I can tell you, when you are faced with a tragedy like this, instinct kicks in, and you react the way your emotions tell you to. You don't think or care about how it looks to the rest of the world and IMO, you shouldn't have to explain or apologize. Your feelings are your own.... no one should tell you what to do. I've always been a believer of that old saying, "Don't judge another person until you've walked a mile in their shoes. That way, when you are wrong, you're a mile away and you've got their shoes."

[Neffy]

Right. The truth list is much easier to keep track of.

:seeya: Hi all. Anything new today/night?

:seeya:

Speak of the debil :)

[~layla~]

give me the shorter list, then.

Actually before it was time for you to go last night, I asked you for this list.... the one of truths told by the A's. Id like to get a lil more specific tonight. How about the list of truths told by the A's that helped locate their missing loved one? You know.. Caylee

[Tracian]

Could be one of the better reasons why they are so cautious with LE. They know better than most.

imo


Should also be the reason he knows the difference between decomp and the smell of 'trash' and the need to not send LE on wild goose chases when the life of a child hangs in the balance.

[happygert]

i just know what i saw/heard on the video...Yuri has her add up the hours...she finally admits the car was picked up within 24 hours...24 hours is not 2 days......

& to make it even worse, she then breaks down & tries to defend her mistake by saying she was just angry because LE was all nice to them at first, then turned on them, by focusing on Casey.....again, it was wild to watch the interview....jmo

Closer do you have a link to cindys and Yuri's interview dont think Ive seen that one...

[~layla~]

:seeya:

Speak of the debil :)

Ill be out most of tomorrow afternoon too, so there needs to be no breaking news if at all possible. :wub:

[Motomom]

give me the shorter list, then.

Caylee was born on august 9 2005

[MrsHudson]

Perhaps if there was a book entitled: Proper Etiquite and Poise for Grandparents with Children who kill their children, and lie about it, they should have read it. I don't think there are established guidelines for how one should act in such extreme circumstances. And I can't say with any certainty that I would act any better, and I might even act worse.

I don't believe that you would have acted worse. Would you go into the front yard and brawl with protesters? Would you bring out baseball bats and a hammer? Would you insist that a body was placed in the trunk of a car to decompose then taken out? Would you plan to thwart and slander LE if they did not investigate the way you wanted them too? Would you lie to the media? Would you have accused Tim Miller of theft? Gone to where LP was dredeging the river and caused a scene? Told totally transparent lies on LKL?

I am already tired of the "don't judge" meme. I will judge and I do think I would have done better. I t hink most people would have and have done better. This is not the only case where a woman murdered her child. Have you heard of those grandparents AT ALL let alone grandparents behaving so badly.

I would have done better. There I said it. :wink:

[MrsHudson]

So tired must turn in now.

Night night!

[~layla~]

Hmmm.... the short list of Cindy & George telling the truth?

I'm at a loss here. Someone please help me out.

Oh wait... got one from Cindy. Just one though.

1. 'It smells like there's been a dead body in the damn car.'

Ummm thats pretty much it, LS.

[Calla]

Could be one of the better reasons why they are so cautious with LE. They know better than most.

imo

LOL that is certainly one way to look at it

[happy2bme]

When was again that they lied to authorities. Need a reminder.


I will give you one in the morning...sorry I can't help you tonight, it will take awhile.:seeya:Don't let me forget.

[need2no]

Similar to when the date went from June 9th to June 15 in family unison. I never believed that was just a mistake with all four of them; George, Cindy, Lee, Casey. I can see one making a date mistake of when Father's Day was, but not all 4. And - they only had their new-perfect recall AFTER the video was discovered by LE on George's computer of the last time Caylee was known alive.

Then we hear from the neighbor of the really loud fight the night of the 15th. Then in the FBI/George interview he doesn't have any problem answering FBI agent's question about what might have happened between the two women of the house. He knew what day it was all along. He immediately popped up with the fight and the date of it as being significant. It's a wonder all their noses aren't long as a telephone wire.


I agree the date 'mistake' :rolleyes: by all 4 of them is real kicker, especially when you consider Cindy turned 50 on June 5th, and she returned to work from her week of vacation on June 9th. I'd also think if you went to visit your elderly father at the ALF you would recall the date of Father's day, and immediately know it wasn't just a few days after you celebrated your milestone 50th birthday.

[Neffy]

Ill be out most of tomorrow afternoon too, so there needs to be no breaking news if at all possible. :wub:

Kronk is on GMA tomorrow am!

[TxLady2]

Nothing that you posted is even close to digging up a dead baby.. nothing.. Mean spirited people wishing death on Cindy is absolutely terrible.. But people don't go around digging up dead babies..they just don't do that. IMO

I was making the point that because of all the things that have been said and done, he might have a reason to fear something like that. THEY did not say it.... Conway did. I don't know him... but I'm sure he was just making a point that there are evil people out there.
How do you know that there are not people who would stoop that low? Some have suggested that Lee moved Caylee's body to where it was found, since others had already searched there. Some have suggested that the Anthonys knew where she was all this time and didn't do anything about it. They've all been accused of the same thing!! What's the difference?

[happygert]

It's in one of her excruciating-to-watch FBI interviews. I think it might be the same one where she asks if she's intimidating them.

OK that's the ones you need a bottle of excedrin and a good stiff drink to get thru... thanks.....

[CelticDawn]

OH my god did that come out wrong! This was my thought on TIm Miller : "Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

ARRRRRGH! That was humiliating to read let alone find my name attached YIKES!

disclaimer disclaimer bowing head in shame on that one. Should have been UNLIKE TIM MILLER Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "



someboddy neeeds a nap or perhaps some second wind coffee...!!!


Tim Miller IMO is the last hope for a clean one in this whole debacle!!

[happygert]

here it is...it's in 4 parts

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html

Thanks......grabbing excedrin

[CelticDawn]

I can believe that.

Geraldo turned an alleged kidnapping into rape so the above wouldn't surprise me one bit.

GERALDO ....

Neer mind...


can't anything be done about these Geraldos and the likes 'MISstating" things like that?....I ran into some people today that didnt hear the retraction and I had to tell them about it...

Cant unring that bell...

[~layla~]

Kronk is on GMA tomorrow am!

OH this should be good. New pics to pour over. He has his own right?

[Motomom]

I was making the point that because of all the things that have been said and done, he might have a reason to fear something like that. THEY did not say it.... Conway did. I don't know him... but I'm sure he was just making a point that there are evil people out there.
How do you know that there are not people who would stoop that low? Some have suggested that Lee moved Caylee's body to where it was found, since others had already searched there. Some have suggested that the Anthonys knew where she was all this time and didn't do anything about it. They've all been accused of the same thing!! What's the difference?

The difference is obvious to me. I don't know what to tell you.. I've never heard of a case where someone went and dug up a dead baby that was a victem of crime, just to make money off of it.. I know we've had some sick serial killers out there, namely what's his face..can't think of his name right this moment..ohh you know who it is, not gacy..but anyway, people don't do that.. people do help others in crime though, covering up for it. I mean come on.. it's off the wall to suggest it..completely off the wall IMO. eddie gein. he dug people up.

[~layla~]

Overnighters carry on.

Light A Candle for Caylees memory (http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle)

[Motomom]

OH MY I will never 4get THAT! She was crowding them OUT that was clear AND making them both pretty uncomfortable. Enough so she had to be told to sit down

Before I watch it..it isn't the one where she's sucking on the chocolate candy bar is it? i cannot stand to hear people eat so if it's that one i need a forewarning

[tvdinners]

I agree the date 'mistake' :rolleyes: by all 4 of them is real kicker, especially when you consider Cindy turned 50 on June 5th, and she returned to work from her week of vacation on June 9th. I'd also think if you went to visit your elderly father at the ALF you would recall the date of Father's day, and immediately know it wasn't just a few days after you celebrated your milestone 50th birthday.

ITA - imo, the date issue is as telling as anything in this case. It proves Casey was lying all along. Any mother whose child was truly missing would know the last minute they saw that child and they'd have no reason to lie about it.

[CelticDawn]

Your are real good. Where do you get it from? To be as wise as you are is a great gift. I don't know what more to say. Hope you use you wisdom wisely.

I still don't think ca or ga committed any crime.

I don't understand how wise people can go on and on bashing this poor people.

But I guess it's the wise thing to do. Which saddens me tremendously.


Mouthpiece or not...GA and CA obviously think they have done something illegal, and in some cases been caught red handed.....Now wehether the Prosecutors <be they state or federal> decide to bother with this is your my and everybody elses guess.

[~layla~]

New Thread!!!! (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12648541#post12648541)
slide on over to a new thread ... :cool:

[Motomom]

I guess noone made it over here yet..

[~layla~]

Before I watch it..it isn't the one where she's sucking on the chocolate candy bar is it? i cannot stand to hear people eat so if it's that one i need a forewarning

edit.. sorry I think its the other ones.

[Calla]

I agree the date 'mistake' :rolleyes: by all 4 of them is real kicker, especially when you consider Cindy turned 50 on June 5th, and she returned to work from her week of vacation on June 9th. I'd also think if you went to visit your elderly father at the ALF you would recall the date of Father's day, and immediately know it wasn't just a few days after you celebrated your milestone 50th birthday.

I don't know about that. I have kids ranging from 14 to 30, and some grandchildren, and a job and sometimes I am just slap darn crazy...
I would actually have to look back at a calendar to tell you the date of Fathers Day myself..(except this case keeps reminding me)lol

[CelticDawn]

I agree the date 'mistake' :rolleyes: by all 4 of them is real kicker, especially when you consider Cindy turned 50 on June 5th, and she returned to work from her week of vacation on June 9th. I'd also think if you went to visit your elderly father at the ALF you would recall the date of Father's day, and immediately know it wasn't just a few days after you celebrated your milestone 50th birthday.

Its called selective amnesia and coerced coincidences...

what I found a bit odd about the date mixup was that GA first used that date....but THEN when he corrected what was once a vague date...a vague memory, he had ALL THESE DETAILS about the AMENDED date.

[TxLady2]

Having a hard time facing that fact?

Cindy told Casey's friends she was a sociopath. Cindy told Casey she was an unfit mother. Cindy called police twice to report her for theft...

Save face? How much would they be willing to sacrifice to save face? Casey abusing Caylee...can't have the neighbors gossiping after all...better to hide possible abuse of their grandchild...obviously it was easier to lie about 'having kidnappers under surveillance' then tell the truth.

Being a sociopath and a thief is a far cry from being a murderer. That would be difficult for ANY parent to accept, don't you think?
I doubt that there were signs of abuse of Caylee. I think that is just speculation on everybody's part. But my post regarding saving face was about AFTER this case came to light. I don't think very many families would want to face a camera and say, 'yes we know our daughter murdered our grandchild.' And that seems to be what most people think they should have done from the start. They wanted to appear to be the loving parents and grandparents that they thought they were. Parents are usually the LAST ones to recognize the bad traits in their kids.

[nc1948]

i didn't know they ran to the backyard :confused:

They searched the back yard. Of course it was for a live Caylee.

[Tracian]

Your are real good. Where do you get it from? To be as wise as you are is a great gift. I don't know what more to say. Hope you use you wisdom wisely.

I still don't think ca or ga committed any crime.

I don't understand how wise people can go on and on bashing this poor people.

But I guess it's the wise thing to do. Which saddens me tremendously.


Discussing the actions, words, and behaviors of the A's is not bashing, it is opinion, which is only offered because the A's put themselves into the spot light by said actions, words, and behaviors---not to mention the desire for immunity, to speak further with LE.

Just for the record...I realize the lawyer is asking for this, but a lawyer works for his client If the A's didn't like what he said, they could break ranks and do what they want, hire another lawyer, or I have an idea, just tell the truth, gee whiz if you have nothing to hide, should not be a problem.

[Jester]

I guess noone made it over here yet..

Interesting thoughts on how much involvement Cindy and George have had in the confusion following Caylee's murder. I think the jailhouse conversation, where Cindy breaks down (mentioned earlier on the other thread) is when Cindy knew without doubt that Casey was guilty. From that point on, her only objective was to hide the truth from the police.

[Pruddennce]

Yes.

And was it necessary to appear?

Was it an appearance where Cindy & George made a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' to return Caylee unharmed?

No. It wasn't.

Where can I find the video of anyone involved in this case making a plea for Caylee's safe return?

I've searched high & low. To no avail.

people think Cindy A was medicated in one of the earlier videos, however, when George answered Larry King on Dec 11, really, what possessed him to crawl back into the lion's lair? was HE medicated?

I simply dont understand this interview other than it was a last ditch performance under Cindy's watchful eye, before her remains were found the next day.

the LE/FBI interviews are public knowledge....George presents himself as two people. this was way more than a flip-flop, it was downright scary: "OH CAYLEE???" <--------WHO ELSE?

LKL Live 12/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html


KING: Where do you think she is, George?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, Caylee? She’s with hopefully a loving family that’s taking care of her.

what happened to the dangerous individuals who were going to cause Caylee and/or Casey and her family harm.....the threats???

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Calla]

Being a sociopath and a thief is a far cry from being a murderer. That would be difficult for ANY parent to accept, don't you think?
I doubt that there were signs of abuse of Caylee. I think that is just speculation on everybody's part. But my post regarding saving face was about AFTER this case came to light. I don't think very many families would want to face a camera and say, 'yes we know our daughter murdered our grandchild.' And that seems to be what most people think they should have done from the start. They wanted to appear to be the loving parents and grandparents that they thought they were. Parents are usually the LAST ones to recognize the bad traits in their kids.

You said it.

I want to support you because I understand what you are saying..but I am too tired to go into it:biggrin:

[tvdinners]

Just made it over, and don't plan to stay. Past my bed-time. I'll repeat something I said on the previous thread...

imo, the date issue is as telling as anything in this case. It proves Casey was lying all along. Any mother whose child was truly missing would know the last minute they saw that child and they'd have no reason to lie about it.

I keep thinking the prosecution will hammer home this point at trial. Your thoughts?

[CelticDawn]

Having a hard time facing that fact?

Cindy told Casey's friends she was a sociopath. Cindy told Casey she was an unfit mother. Cindy called police twice to report her for theft...

Save face? How much would they be willing to sacrifice to save face? Casey abusing Caylee...can't have the neighbors gossiping after all...better to hide possible abuse of their grandchild...obviously it was easier to lie about 'having kidnappers under surveillance' then tell the truth.
the pathetic sad pitiful part about all of this is that IF the neighbors and "gossipers" had known the truth....they PROBABLY wouldnt have cared about their IMAGE. they might have been interested in helping CVaylee....who knows,...Casey may have gotten herself a FREEBIE in someone who would WANT to spend time even if only playing with Caylee....

It happens...I have kids....I also have family and neighbors that sometimes just want to take them and spend tiem

[Neffy]

OH this should be good. New pics to pour over. He has his own right?

I don't know if it's "some" or "one" . Somebody mentioned price thrown around of $20,000.00 !!!!

I have no idea what to think of that. I'm all in favor of Kronk. I know he's going to be ripped apart from CALIF to NYork if not already most certainly during trial from the defense. I know the pic was most likely a CYA type deal at least in my opinion but that's a lot of dang money.

I also understood him to be needing the money. What's the right thing.

He's not family, past either what PI - Bounty Hunter. It's kind of business to him to.

Kinda of mixed on this but I'll trust whatever he does as being right for him. He's the only one I'd give a pass to.

[need2no]

Before I watch it..it isn't the one where she's sucking on the chocolate candy bar is it? i cannot stand to hear people eat so if it's that one i need a forewarning

The candy bar eating was with the FBI...so you're ok watching the tapes with Yuri interviewing.

[~layla~]

New Thread!!!! (http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12648541#post12648541)
slide on over to a new thread ... :cool:


Over 1000 posts... this one will close soon....

[Pebbles]

Just made it over, and don't plan to stay. Past my bed-time. I'll repeat something I said on the previous thread...

imo, the date issue is as telling as anything in this case. It proves Casey was lying all along. Any mother whose child was truly missing would know the last minute they saw that child and they'd have no reason to lie about it.

I keep thinking the prosecution will hammer home this point at trial. Your thoughts?



They are going to need lots of hammer for this trial.

[Motomom]

Interesting thoughts on how much involvement Cindy and George have had in the confusion following Caylee's murder. I think the jailhouse conversation, where Cindy breaks down (mentioned earlier on the other thread) is when Cindy knew without doubt that Casey was guilty. From that point on, her only objective was to hide the truth from the police.


i don't think I watched this whole interview. I'm going to try to wtch it if I can tonight..more like fall asleep to it again I'm sure.

[Neffy]

It's in one of her excruciating-to-watch FBI interviews. I think it might be the same one where she asks if she's intimidating them.

He seemed pretty creeped out by that. Only one is going to be in charge in that room.

[Motomom]

I'm here. Just got here actually. Anything new?

:thumbsup:

Yeah sas, conway is worried some one will dig up the dead baby after she is buried.. on the links thread. can you imagine thinking that?

[Pruddennce]

Really ,sounds like an entertaining thought..... anyway .So does anyone find it odd that Scott ,Kronks supervisor lives just houses down from A's .

has that been substantiated?

best regards,
Pru

[Tracian]

Being a sociopath and a thief is a far cry from being a murderer. That would be difficult for ANY parent to accept, don't you think?
I doubt that there were signs of abuse of Caylee. I think that is just speculation on everybody's part. But my post regarding saving face was about AFTER this case came to light. I don't think very many families would want to face a camera and say, 'yes we know our daughter murdered our grandchild.' And that seems to be what most people think they should have done from the start. They wanted to appear to be the loving parents and grandparents that they thought they were. Parents are usually the LAST ones to recognize the bad traits in their kids.



Let's see....hmmmmm....protect a daughter at the risk of my grandchild ending up dead....or telling the truth, and maybe just maybe finding my grandchild....

Grandchild trumps it.

I didn't want them to say anything, but the truth...about Casey, about everything that led up to Casey leaving that night, etc....IMO, because they started this nonsense, they knew that Caylee was dead, gone, and well, as you stated......

They wanted to 'appear' that is the rub...they wanted to 'appear' keep up those 'appearances' because that matters more than telling any form of the truth to bring a child home, and maybe just maybe helping Casey get some help, by confessing to a lesser charge.

Nope, not the A's....save face, appearances, all the stuff that makes Caylee less important than that whole group...that baby never had a chance in that home...she was a pawn, a whip to beat Casey, a bargining chip for Casey against Cindy, and when all the dust settled she ended up dead...and still is sitting in a box at a funeral home...

While the A's attorney asks for immunity, Lee's lawyer is a stuttering fool, and Casey is stuffing her face with cheese puffs....

Whats not to love about the A's :rolleyes:

[Katprint]

Thanks for a response Lavenia. I don't think she has an estate. Someone posted up thread a page ago about it too. I'm not sleeping well myself. Her story is Casey's story, the images weren't hers, so i see no potential estate either. But with this case..you never know..
The way it works is, every person leaves behind an estate when they die even if that estate is small or consists only of debts or the future right to collect money (royalties, wrongful death damages, etc.) However, just like most normal people do not zealously pursue property damage claims for parking lot door-dings, most heirs of estates that are not worth much do not spend the time and money settling that estate in probate court.

I don't see how Caylee's own image could not be hers. If someone takes a photo of you, they are not allowed to commercially exploit that photo without your permission. (There are special rules that apply to people who voluntarily seek the limelight like public officials and celebrities, which don't usually apply to normal, private citizens like poor little Caylee.) If you are deceased, then they need your estate's permission. That is why "reality TV" shows like Cheaters or Cops have to blur out the faces of people they filmed who refused to give their permission to having their image/likeness used.

Similarly, Casey's story as the mother/murderer of Caylee, is inherently different from Caylee's story as the victim. There may be some common elements, but plainly two different stories.

Presently, the Anthonys appear to be infringing the rights of Caylee's estate, which is probably no big deal because they are the most likely heirs to Caylee's estate since Casey will probably be disqualified due to the Florida slayer law. If some better heir comes forward, like Caylee's father or a sibling of Caylee's, then there might be a big fight over who owns the rights to what and how should the license fees/royalties/whatever other media money be divided.

Similarly, there is little chance that the Anthonys are going to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Casey on behalf of Caylee's estate. If someone with a better claim to Caylee's estate ever comes forward, they could file a wrongful death claim and maybe even get the Anthonys' homeowner's insurance to kick in some money depending how the liability clauses are written and whether anyone can prove that the Anthonys' residence was where Caylee died.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Neffy]

someboddy neeeds a nap or perhaps some second wind coffee...!!!


Tim Miller IMO is the last hope for a clean one in this whole debacle!!

Maybe if we robo post we can make this go away by starting a new thread quickly :blushing:

[Neffy]

Left over in the other thread wallowing in humliation LOL Didn't notice the post count WHEW bless you :)

[bluwaters]

OH my god did that come out wrong! This was my thought on TIm Miller : "Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "

ARRRRRGH! That was humiliating to read let alone find my name attached YIKES!

disclaimer disclaimer bowing head in shame on that one. Should have been UNLIKE TIM MILLER Without a doubt. He has the utmost integrity and I'd take anything he said to the bank "
Oops!
That surprised me coming from you. :laugh:

[aubrey04]

No.

I find it odd that two grandparents, with enormous media coverage at their beck & call, never once made a plea to the 'kidnapper(s)' for Caylee's safe return.

Odd indeed.

Not odd in the least - if you think Cindy & George knew that Caylee was dead all along.. ;)

[Neffy]

Really ,sounds like an entertaining thought..... anyway .So does anyone find it odd that Scott ,Kronks supervisor lives just houses down from A's .


Hmm city employee living in the same city. Nope. In fact I find it quite normal.

[tvdinners]

They are going to need lots of hammer for this trial.

true that. I can see it being an aha moment for a juror - if Casey takes the stand, that is. People do not forget the date of the worst day of their lives.

[~layla~]

Left over in the other thread wallowing in humliation LOL Didn't notice the post count WHEW bless you :)

Just for that fact alone.. :)

So Conway says that someone could possibly dig up Caylee? Someone explain plz.

[need2no]

Being a sociopath and a thief is a far cry from being a murderer. That would be difficult for ANY parent to accept, don't you think?
I doubt that there were signs of abuse of Caylee. I think that is just speculation on everybody's part. But my post regarding saving face was about AFTER this case came to light. I don't think very many families would want to face a camera and say, 'yes we know our daughter murdered our grandchild.' And that seems to be what most people think they should have done from the start. They wanted to appear to be the loving parents and grandparents that they thought they were. Parents are usually the LAST ones to recognize the bad traits in their kids.

All they had to say to the media was "We do not believe our daughter would harm our precious granddaughter, she is a very loving mother and we stand behind and fully support her. Please assist us..we need your help with getting the word out about Caylee, who we are confident has been kidnapped. Please respect our privacy at this horrific time of our lives."'

If this was all they had stated initially and stuck to it, and then only spoke to the media to make pleas for Caylee's safe return, show her pics and talk about how special she is and ask for the public's helping in looking for her, they would have a ton of public sympathy, and support.

And Cindy did recognize the bad traits in casey...she told many of her friends her negative opinion of casey. Here's another example:

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

[Anakerie]

Well i find it real odd . Scott is the one who called in for Kronk when he kicked the skull out of the bag , the same Skull that was said to have plant life growing out of it ! Sounds to me like the skull was already out of the bag ....literally .
I am curious, has anyone but Lenny talked about the supervisor living down the street from the Anthony's? Anyone that is known for truth?

[Tracian]

I do. There was a allegation a few weeks ago that Kronk himself lived down the street, and had as much access to his own bathroom, as he did to the site where he is said to have relieved himself, and inadvertedly found Caylee's remains.



Unless Kronk lives another life as a woman named "Zanny" and in drag is friends with Juliet Lewis, babysits children, and lived at the Sawgrass in a vacant apartment...I don't see how it matters, unless....

Kronk is really a hired kidnapper, who uses the nanny, Zanny as his decoy, along with a sister, Samantha, writing scripts for the missing child's single mother to follow...unless.....

Kronk was tipped off by D. Casey, that PI that worked for the A's to call in tip's because they had to place a dead Caylee when Casey was sitting in jail....unless....

The guy like many of us followed this case, heard the rumors around the neighborhood and did a little of his own investigation, and found the remains....

[Calla]

Just made it over, and don't plan to stay. Past my bed-time. I'll repeat something I said on the previous thread...

imo, the date issue is as telling as anything in this case. It proves Casey was lying all along. Any mother whose child was truly missing would know the last minute they saw that child and they'd have no reason to lie about it.

I keep thinking the prosecution will hammer home this point at trial. Your thoughts?

she did remember the last minute...31 days...31 days

[Neffy]

Just for that fact alone.. :)

So Conway says that someone could possibly dig up Caylee? Someone explain plz.


WHAT! I missed that myself! I remember some wizard of oz proclamation of him being the rightful owner of the PI tape.

[happygert]

That's a head scratcher, for sure. I've never understood how they muffed that date with all the other significant dates and events leading up to it -- birthdays, vacations, major thefts, big fights, missing daughters and granddaughters, etc.

IMo they had a falling out around her B/D Didn't Lee say something about casey not being there for Cindys b/D ? Maybe that's the reason they got into it and she left..she brought Caylee back to go with Cindy to see grandpa then when Cindy got home all He** broke loose again. and she took Caylee and left again

[aubrey04]

people think Cindy A was medicated in one of the earlier videos, however, when George answered Larry King on Dec 11, really, what possessed him to crawl back into the lion's lair? was HE medicated?

I simply dont understand this interview other than it was a last ditch performance under Cindy's watchful eye, before her remains were found the next day.

the LE/FBI interviews are public knowledge....George presents himself as two people. this was way more than a flip-flop, it was downright scary: "OH CAYLEE???" <--------WHO ELSE?

LKL Live 12/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html


KING: Where do you think she is, George?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, Caylee? She’s with hopefully a loving family that’s taking care of her.

what happened to the dangerous individuals who were going to cause Caylee and/or Casey and her family harm.....the threats???

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Yup. That interview has bothered me since it first aired but even more so now. It was so awkward.. Larry didn't follow up.. I guess that is why G&C agreed to go on LKL... I don't think many reporters would let that one slide.

Earlier in the interview - Larry asked Cindy if she thought it was odd that Casey didn't report Caylee missing & Cindy said NO.. it wasn't odd.. because Caylee and the family were in "danger".

George and Cindy contradicted each other.. I am sure Cindy really got on George after that too.

ETA - I re-read the transcript - they didn't go to break right away.. Cindy jumped in and started talking about a new "tip" REAL quick.

[Neffy]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html

"By virtue of my representation, it is my videotape, not Mr. Hoover's, and our position is that he has taken this tape from us and tried to shop it and tried to profit from a tragedy that he has no right to be involved in," Brad Conway said."

I believe the Mayor of the Munchkin City started his proclamation speech the same way.

[aubrey04]

Quote from the first part of LKL:

KING: Isn't that strange?

CINDY ANTHONY: Well, not really. My daughter, you know, had her. And, you know, we just -- we just assumed that Casey and Caylee were, you know, off visiting friends. KING: George, why wouldn't your daughter have called you and say Caylee's gone?

.....
KING: So what do you make of it? I mean, she's your daughter. You have to have some -- why wouldn't she not -- why would she tell you -- not tell you?

CINDY ANTHONY: I think she's -- I think she was frightened. I think, from what we understand, that, you know, there's been threats to not only Caylee's well-being, but also to our family's well-being.

KING: By?

CINDY ANTHONY: By the people that have Caylee.

Then later...

KING: Where do you think she is, George?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, Caylee? She's with hopefully a loving family that's taking care of her.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html

[Oregongal]

The way it works is, every person leaves behind an estate when they die even if that estate is small or consists only of debts or the future right to collect money (royalties, wrongful death damages, etc.) However, just like most normal people do not zealously pursue property damage claims for parking lot door-dings, most heirs of estates that are not worth much do not spend the time and money settling that estate in probate court.

I don't see how Caylee's own image could not be hers. If someone takes a photo of you, they are not allowed to commercially exploit that photo without your permission. (There are special rules that apply to people who voluntarily seek the limelight like public officials and celebrities, which don't usually apply to normal, private citizens like poor little Caylee.) If you are deceased, then they need your estate's permission. That is why "reality TV" shows like Cheaters or Cops have to blur out the faces of people they filmed who refused to give their permission to having their image/likeness used.

Similarly, Casey's story as the mother/murderer of Caylee, is inherently different from Caylee's story as the victim. There may be some common elements, but plainly two different stories.

Presently, the Anthonys appear to be infringing the rights of Caylee's estate, which is probably no big deal because they are the most likely heirs to Caylee's estate since Casey will probably be disqualified due to the Florida slayer law. If some better heir comes forward, like Caylee's father or a sibling of Caylee's, then there might be a big fight over who owns the rights to what and how should the license fees/royalties/whatever other media money be divided.

Similarly, there is little chance that the Anthonys are going to file a wrongful death lawsuit against Casey on behalf of Caylee's estate. If someone with a better claim to Caylee's estate ever comes forward, they could file a wrongful death claim and maybe even get the Anthonys' homeowner's insurance to kick in some money depending how the liability clauses are written and whether anyone can prove that the Anthonys' residence was where Caylee died.
Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you sooo much Kat for this explanation. You've answered a ton of questions I've had.
I :wub: you sweetie for being here with us and giving us your opinions and sharing your education and knowledge with us on the legalities of the law.
This case is so bizarre and twisted, but you always seem to bring it right back to the reality and I for one applaud and appreciate you so much for that.

[happygert]

Pssst... have you ever heard of a family with a kidnapped two year old not making a plea for said two year old's safe return when said family has enormous media coverage at their beck & call... EVER?

Can NOT say that I have!

Can you?

ITA...LandShark..NEVER... LandShark, have you ever heard of someone selling pictures, videos and interviews to get the word and PICTURES out that they have a MISSING CHILD.. I can say I have NEVER heard of that.. Bet you havent either. UNTIL NOW
Never heard of anyone waiting 31 days to REPORT a MISSING CHILD either .. Have you? My guess is no..So why does some think this is the norm... I know you and I and most everyone else doesn't think this is the norm..

[joolz]

I'm seriously behind the curve here. Can someone please tell me how it first becaem known that this tape existed? TIA.

[Neffy]

“A concern of mine would be the sick individuals out there that might think it would be nice to dig up this child’s grave and profit somehow from it,” said the Anthony family attorney Brad Conway.

Caylee may be cremated (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=0D0AB5846E16FA5EABE9BF39951764D0 ?contentId=8238040&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

Oh no he di'nt!!!

I TOTALLY MISSED THIS!

OMFreakingG!

I have no problem with cremation. Actuallly I expected it. THAT ANSWER I did not!

I'm floored. He is a sick sick guy. They're all sick.

Was it lost on him the only guy known to have done that was their own PI with a garden trowel!

Geez!

[~layla~]

“A concern of mine would be the sick individuals out there that might think it would be nice to dig up this child’s grave and profit somehow from it,” said the Anthony family attorney Brad Conway.

Caylee may be cremated (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=0D0AB5846E16FA5EABE9BF39951764D0 ?contentId=8238040&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)
The only other people Ive ever encountered that were this erratic and all over the map with ideas and paranoias are pill heads.... hmm begs the question, who is taking what in that group?

[~layla~]

I'm seriously behind the curve here. Can someone please tell me how it first becaem known that this tape existed? TIA.
apparently the brainiacs and by brainiacs I mean the so called PIs hired and fired by either Baez or the A's at some time since this case opened.
they shopped it to news agencies.

Im sure this answer made complete sense. :glare:

[Neffy]

Yes, in another of Conway's increasingly elegant interviews with the media, rather than speaking lovingly of the murdered baby's upcoming memorial (yet to be scheduled, btw), he chose to talk instead about what might become of her remains (cremation) to avoid having us "sick individuals" out here dig up her grave.

For reals. Class act those people. All of them.

They all need psychiatrists!

[CelticDawn]

Really ,sounds like an entertaining thought..... anyway .So does anyone find it odd that Scott ,Kronks supervisor lives just houses down from A's .

I cant believe the strangeties that keep popping up around the anthonys casey and the folks that work for them....Its almost WITCHY!

Im still on the Kronks being a former bail Bondsman PI skip Tracer or whatever he is...Im still wondering whether he alr5eady knew any of those guys.

[happygert]

Bringing this over from last thread.

:51 PM
happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by LandSharkII©
Pssst... have you ever heard of a family with a kidnapped two year old not making a plea for said two year old's safe return when said family has enormous media coverage at their beck & call... EVER?

Can NOT say that I have!

Can you?

ITA...LandShark..NEVER... LandShark, have you ever heard of someone selling pictures, videos and interviews to get the word and PICTURES out that they have a MISSING CHILD.. I can say I have NEVER heard of that.. Bet you havent either. UNTIL NOW
Never heard of anyone waiting 31 days to REPORT a MISSING CHILD either .. Have you? My guess is no..So why does some think this is the norm... I know you and I and most everyone else doesn't think this is the norm..
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my own opinions

[mosey?]

Here's some new lying for you. Straight from Lee's criminal defense attorney:



Lawyer Says Lee Denied He Was On Phone With P.I. (http://www.wftv.com/news/18464944/detail.html)

And... this link, originally posted by Cury-us Coyote:

Time frame of Caylee Anthony death released (http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=9654398&nav=menu54_2)

Of major interest from the above link:
I dont get it. He said Lee wasnt on the phone with DC on the 15th.
The video was shot on the 16th
Kinda squirmy of him

[joolz]

apparently the brainiacs and by brainiacs I mean the so called PIs hired and fired by either Baez or the A's at some time since this case opened.


Im sure this answer made complete sense. :glare:


:lol: Sorry, I'm still confused Layla (best rock'n'roll song every written jmo:thumbup:). You mean PI's other than the two involved in the tape?

[Neffy]

As Mayor of the Munchkin City, in the Valley of the Land of Oz....

Yes, very similar. Did a house fall on someone and I was not aware?? Does this mean I can release my winged monkeys??

Conway's released them OMfreakingG!

Is it that house?

[happygert]

I dont get it. He said Lee wasnt on the phone with DC on the 15th.
The video was shot on the 16th
Kinda squirmy of him

It was shot on both the 15th and 16th...

[mosey?]

I'm seriously behind the curve here. Can someone please tell me how it first becaem known that this tape existed? TIA.Wonderful Lenny told us!
He said he heard about it from Hoover on Dec 16 or 17. He suggested Hoover go to the police with it and immediately called Nick Savage, Head of Orlando FBI

[Tracian]

people think Cindy A was medicated in one of the earlier videos, however, when George answered Larry King on Dec 11, really, what possessed him to crawl back into the lion's lair? was HE medicated?

I simply dont understand this interview other than it was a last ditch performance under Cindy's watchful eye, before her remains were found the next day.

the LE/FBI interviews are public knowledge....George presents himself as two people. this was way more than a flip-flop, it was downright scary: "OH CAYLEE???" <--------WHO ELSE?

LKL Live 12/11
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/10/lkl.01.html


KING: Where do you think she is, George?

GEORGE ANTHONY: Oh, Caylee? She’s with hopefully a loving family that’s taking care of her.

what happened to the dangerous individuals who were going to cause Caylee and/or Casey and her family harm.....the threats???

IMO

best regards,
Pru



Another great post Pru...

Bolded mine:

Those evil people were still being watched by the invisible watchers

[mosey?]

It was shot on both the 15th and 16th...Which day was DC seen on the phone coming out of the brush?

[~layla~]

:lol: Sorry, I'm still confused Layla (best rock'n'roll song every written jmo:thumbup:). You mean PI's other than the two involved in the tape?

No no, I meant those. They tried to shop it is what I heard. So they told on themselves.

eta,.. Lenny heard about it like Mosey said.

[happygert]

Which day was DC seen on the phone coming out of the brush?

The 15th on 16 he had on different clothes

[joolz]

The 2 in the video are Dominick Casey and "something" Hoover. Hoover is behind the camera..D Casey is searching in the woods.
I think that Hoover got scared and turned in the tape to LE.


TY - I need a roadmap of the fools, er, characters involved here. Even then I doubt I would be able to really follow the twists.:confused:

[joolz]

Wonderful Lenny told us!
He said he heard about it from Hoover on Dec 16 or 17. He suggested Hoover go to the police with it and immediately called Nick Savage, Head of Orlando FBI

Ah, Lenny - the source of so much good information. The source of so much bad information. :ohmy:

[zippy]

... but not as terrible as Caylee looked, rotting in a bag in the woods.

Right, Motomom?

Watched CSI last Thurs-19 down- season 9 ep9- made me very aware even tho it was an adult, of what happened to Caylee. He was put in plastic bag, dropped in woods and water but not as long as Caylee. You can watch by going to www.cbs.com and click on CSI. Very graphic. It will tear at your heart. It did mine, for someone to dispose of someone "they" say they love. For Caylee:rose:

[mosey?]

I think that Lenny and Hoover have been secret BFF's since this mess started. I think Hoover was close enough to the "inside" goings-on to be LP's leakCould very well be. We know Hoover wanted the video known, or he would have never told Lenny.
But what reason did he, a man who works for Baez, and ultimately Casey, want the story leaked? Vendetta against Cindy, since DC was working for her?
DC did wrong, really wrong. I cant believe he was ripping into bags! And poking about a potential crimescene! He is certainly in deep kim chee.

[mosey?]

Of course not.

And I'll wager I'll never see it happen again with any other family of a murdered child.

Caylee was never a missing child.Evening Sharkie. You are right, Caylee was never missing because her mother knew where she was all along.

[Neffy]

I can't believe what the House of Anthony and their lawyers are projecting on to people to cover they're own bad behavior.

This really makes me ill.

All the thousands of people that helped them search they slapped down at the time and now this.

This strategic move has totally backfired IMO.

I guess stealing and selling bones for profit is the only thing to underscore them.

[happygert]

Of course not.

And I'll wager I'll never see it happen again with any other family of a murdered child.

Caylee was never a missing child.

ITA!... Nope she never was.. Most people are begging for someone to help and get their Childs pctures out..

[mosey?]

The 15th on 16 he had on different clothesOh OK. I stand corrected. Thanks happygert!

[~layla~]

copied and moved here to this thread... I found this post interesting.

Originally by Zippy

Watched CSI last Thurs-19 down- season 9 ep9- made me very aware even tho it was an adult, of what happened to Caylee. He was put in plastic bag, dropped in woods and water but not as long as Caylee. You can watch by going to www.cbs.com and click on CSI. Very graphic. It will tear at your heart. It did mine, for someone to dispose of someone "they" say they love. For Caylee

[happygert]

Oh OK. I stand corrected. Thanks happygert!

No problem so many things in this case...It's like trying to unravel congress ,the house. and the senate all at once. and keep everything straight.

[sunbunny]

Does his actual presents at the crime scene contaminate it on the defense's behalf??

oh, i'm sure they'll try that ploy. except there's no mistaking that Caylee's body was found and UNdisturbed by his poking, prodding and digging CLOSE to the crime scene. :sneaky:

[Oregongal]

All they had to say to the media was "We do not believe our daughter would harm our precious granddaughter, she is a very loving mother and we stand behind and fully support her. Please assist us..we need your help with getting the word out about Caylee, who we are confident has been kidnapped. Please respect our privacy at this horrific time of our lives."'

If this was all they had stated initially and stuck to it, and then only spoke to the media to make pleas for Caylee's safe return, show her pics and talk about how special she is and ask for the public's helping in looking for her, they would have a ton of public sympathy, and support.

And Cindy did recognize the bad traits in casey...she told many of her friends her negative opinion of casey. Here's another example:

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

I SOOOO agree with you n2n!!!
These grandparents would have had the world at their command if they'd done what 'normal' gp's and parents have done in the past and those who will continue to do in the future. If they'd only been honest.
That to me is the twist, they were never honest.
Truth wins out every time. They twisted, they spun, they attacked.
They attacked each that was trying to find Caylee, LE, FBI, Tim Miller, the media, the searchers.
Why?
IMO, because they knew, they felt guilt (even if it wasn't theirs), they knew from the moment they picked up that car and then when Cindy found Casey alive and well and hanging at her boyfriends with no Caylee, they knew Caylee was gone.
And you know what, even if they did know and didn't want to admit, all they had to do was go on tv and plead to whoever had Caylee, give her back, let them know she was safe, etc....and the public, the media, LE and FBI would have probably been circling the wagons around them. Everyone would have been on their side, sympathsizing, empathisizing with them, crying, praying and standing with them.
But, no. They never did that. They went into immediate proctective and circle the wagons mode. Why? What does this 22 yr old daughter of this family hold over her parents to cause them to to do this?
Are they stupid and/or totally ignorant?. Sorry, but, I say they were stupid when they went into the protect the socio daughter mode and forgot the probably dead grandaughter mode. For some reason this Casey has them wrapped. What secrets does she hold against them that they are so afraid that they would lie and cover for her?
WTH are they so afraid of that they couldn't even appear on tv, as even Susan Smith did....and beg and plead for their grandaughters return?
Did they feel so guilty and threatend by Casey they didn't dare do this?
Why? And will we ever know why?
Something is and was very wrong in this family before we ever knew about them.
There are many secrets in many families and I believe that those are the families secrets alone, but when it comes to the deliberate murder of an innocent baby, the secrets need to come out in order to find the absolute truth about how and why that baby died.
Lots of questions. Rant over. Thanks for listening.

[aubrey04]

I KNOW I KNOW, (raises hand)

Did the LIMO RIDES TRAUMATIZE CINDY??

I wonder if staying that the Ritz Carlton hotel and eating at the restaurant which has meals for $100 per plate.. and the limo rides.. traumatized Cindy.

Why would she go on these shows if she was so traumatized by them? Give me a break already.

[mosey?]

Does his actual presents at the crime scene contaminate it on the defense's behalf??It could, but I have no idea how he would destroy evidence for the defense.
Just the fact that he was there --nobody just "checks out" a teen hang-out with a shovel and probe unless they are looking for buried evidence--and for 2 days- is huge for the prosecution.
He may have also potentially messed with crimescene evidence by removing items from the scene (the full tape's not released)

But for sure, D. Casey and Hoover have some serious 'splainin' to do

[rj1212]

Evening Sharkie. You are right, Caylee was never missing because her mother knew where she was all along.

Somebody else knew as well...

How 'bout those Anthony getting a lawyer ASAP RIGHT AFTER the body was found...in the same area their PI's were rooting around???

How 'bout those Anthony's seeking full immunity???


Somebody else knew...

[happygert]

Somebody else knew as well...

How 'bout those Anthony getting a lawyer ASAP RIGHT AFTER the body was found...in the same area their PI's were rooting around???

How 'bout those Anthony's seeking full immunity???


Somebody else knew...

ITA!! I'LL bet more then one knew...

[mosey?]

oh, i'm sure they'll try that ploy. except there's no mistaking that Caylee's body was found and UNdisturbed by his poking, prodding and digging CLOSE to the crime scene. :sneaky:Lenny said, when the first knowledge of the tape came to light, that DC was about 100 feet from where Caylee was ultimately found. Now he's saying about 12 feet, near the pavers (I'm assuming the same pavers in the crimescene photos.)

[rj1212]

Something else keeps ringing in my ears, the sound of Casey saying "They are going to try and pin this on me..."

I dont think she was referring to LE.

Haunting...yet intriguing.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
I'm so glad that this poor baby was found...

Justice for Caylee!

[happygert]

It could, but I have no idea how he would destroy evidence for the defense.
Just the fact that he was there --nobody just "checks out" a teen hang-out with a shovel and probe unless they are looking for buried evidence--and for 2 days- is huge for the prosecution.
He may have also potentially messed with crimescene evidence by removing items from the scene (the full tape's not released)

But for sure, D. Casey and Hoover have some serious 'splainin' to do

It was reported that D.Casey went back 2 more times after Hoover shot the videos on the 15 and 16th... Think they said he went back on the 17th and 18th. Not out there 4 days for nothing!!

[mosey?]

Somebody else knew as well...

How 'bout those Anthony getting a lawyer ASAP RIGHT AFTER the body was found...in the same area their PI's were rooting around???

How 'bout those Anthony's seeking full immunity???


Somebody else knew...The reason the Anthony's want full immunity is becoming clearer with each passing day.

[happygert]

Haunting...yet intriguing.
It will be interesting to see how this unfolds.
I'm so glad that this poor baby was found...

Justice for Caylee!

IM sure GLAD it WASN"T D.CASEY THAT FOUND HER!!

[Oregongal]

Oh crap, I see we are well over a 1000 posts, did I just post to a dead thread?

[rj1212]

ITA!! I'LL bet more then one knew...

I'll bet you're right! Yet, if that's the case, imagine how it was permissible for the Anthony's and company to point the media to show a picture of a girl that was obviously NOT Caylee in a mall, and to try and prove that Caylee was in California, Puerto Rico, Texas, New York, etc., etc.,...

If somebody else knew, such as the Anthony's, of the true whereabouts of Caylee, then such above actions were downright cruel and sick...

mo

[aubrey04]

Oh crap, I see we are well over a 1000 posts, did I just post to a dead thread?

LOL ~ Oregon - I just figured out that they opened a new one for "late night" (even though it is morning here..).. I guess we were alone here. Maybe c/p your post over there, that is what I plan to do..

:tonguewag:

[Neffy]

We don't know that for sure. Up until this point we were under the impression that the body was scattered by animals...remember they claim they had a trail of bones...

Do you believe something else?

IMO D Casey was in the wrong area. I think they did know the correct one hence making a video of a "likeness" of the area with nothing there for future use.

[happygert]

The reason the Anthony's want full immunity is becoming clearer with each passing day.

Sure is... Did you see GR the other night when they first had tapes? He said they couldn't show the tape because the owner wanted a KINGS RANSOM for it? Then it was showed last night.. CONWAY and the A's let him show it.. CONWAY said it belong to the A's.......GR said they didnt pay for it..yeah right....is all im saying

[aubrey04]

bummer.. I missed the bus trip over here and was left talking to myself..

I deleted my last post on the other thread and will bring it over here.

Pssst. have you ever heard of a child that has been napped turned in by the nappers by way of pleading or other .....EVER ? Can NOT say that I have !

My response:

If George and Cindy really believed Caylee was alive, why wouldn't they make a plea? I am not sure whether it has worked in other cases or not. I wouldn't even know how to google to look for that. Regardless, if there was a .0001% chance that it might provoke the supposed "kidnapper" into turning over Caylee.. then why wouldn't they?

I mean.. Caylee had a $225k reward attached to her. Why didn't George & Cindy beg the family/friends of the supposed kidnappers to turn them in and keep promoting the fact that the reward was almost a quarter of a million dollars?

If they couldn't convince the imaginary kidnappers -- they might have convinced people close to them to turn them in, especially with that high of a reward.

They never made a plea because they KNEW she was dead. imo.

[aubrey04]

Here is the new thread:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347766

[happygert]

I'll bet you're right! Yet, if that's the case, imagine how it was permissible for the Anthony's and company to point the media to show a picture of a girl that was obviously NOT Caylee in a mall, and to try and prove that Caylee was in California, Puerto Rico, Texas, New York, etc., etc.,...

If somebody else knew, such as the Anthony's, of the true whereabouts of Caylee, then such above actions were downright cruel and sick...

mo

Yes they are BUT I WOULD NOT put ANYTHING PAST THE A"S... As long as they kept up with sightings free trips, and donations kept rolling in... How long is it now since they have worked? 7 months and counting....

[happygert]

bummer.. I missed the bus trip over here and was left talking to myself..

I deleted my last post on the other thread and will bring it over here.



My response:

If George and Cindy really believed Caylee was alive, why wouldn't they make a plea? I am not sure whether it has worked in other cases or not. I wouldn't even know how to google to look for that. Regardless, if there was a .0001% chance that it might provoke the supposed "kidnapper" into turning over Caylee.. then why wouldn't they?

I mean.. Caylee had a $225k reward attached to her. Why didn't George & Cindy beg the family/friends of the supposed kidnappers to turn them in and keep promoting the fact that the reward was almost a quarter of a million dollars?

If they couldn't convince the imaginary kidnappers -- they might have convinced people close to them to turn them in, especially with that high of a reward.

They never made a plea because they KNEW she was dead. imo.

EXACTLY!!! ITA... Times are hard $225,000n for a phone call you bet someone would have made that call...I posted that many times

[jammies]

[QUOTE=mosey?;12648742]Evening Sharkie. You are right, Caylee was never missing because her mother knew where she was all along.[/QUOTE


And in a nutshell, the A's knew this too but they just didn't want anyone ELSE to know. As long as her body was never found they could carry on with the charade. They did a darn poor job of convincing anyone, IMO. Not one plea to the "kidnappers"?? Oops! How did they miss that one??

[rj1212]

Yes they are BUT I WOULD NOT put ANYTHING PAST THE A"S... As long as they kept up with sightings free trips, and donations kept rolling in... How long is it now since they have worked? 7 months and counting....

I know when George Anthony DID work...
Right after he got the car from the towing company and it smelled of human decomposition...that's when...he took his behind STRAIGHT to work.

[aubrey04]

The LKL links and partial transcripts people posted on the other thread were great. Thanks. Shows in a nutshell how the family plays the media for dim wits. Inconsistencies isn't the word for it. Just leaves you shaking your head. Cindy says the baby's kidnapped and George on the other hand feigns not to know who LKL is asking about then when his feigned lightbulb comes on he says he thinks she's with a loving family. my paraphrase.

Yup. Got to love when Larry King asked George about where he thinks Caylee is and he gets this stupid look on his face like he has no clue who in the world Larry is talking about.. then says, "ohhh..um..caylee?".

Cindy needs a shirt that says, "I'm with stupid" with a finger pointing at George.. (or vice versa).

[AbbyNormal]

Somebody else knew as well...

How 'bout those Anthony getting a lawyer ASAP RIGHT AFTER the body was found...in the same area their PI's were rooting around???

How 'bout those Anthony's seeking full immunity???


Somebody else knew...Agreed.........

[Katprint]

Just for that fact alone.. :)

So Conway says that someone could possibly dig up Caylee? Someone explain plz.
He was trying to spin why the Anthonys might decide to cremate Caylee's remains. He said that they were concerned that some freak might dig up Caylee's remains if Caylee was buried.

He did NOT say that one thing that the Anthonys could choose to do to allay their concern of desecration of Caylee's corpse, would be to have a thick concrete slab/platform cast over the grave then erect a lovely marker on top of the concrete slab. This is called a "False Tomb" ( http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/cem_glossary.pdf bottom of page 5) and of course it costs quite a bit more than cremation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[jammies]

The LKL links and partial transcripts people posted on the other thread were great. Thanks. Shows in a nutshell how the family plays the media for dim wits. Inconsistencies isn't the word for it. Just leaves you shaking your head. Cindy says the baby's kidnapped and George on the other hand feigns not to know who LKL is asking about then when his feigned lightbulb comes on he says he thinks she's with a loving family. my paraphrase.


The entire family is a troupe of bad actors.

[Duckaroo]

What get's me is that Tim Miller along with basically everyone else involved in searching were blasted for not looking for a live Caylee...but it doesn't look to me like D.Casey was looking for a live child.

[mosey?]

copied and moved here to this thread... I found this post interesting.

Originally by Zippy

Watched CSI last Thurs-19 down- season 9 ep9- made me very aware even tho it was an adult, of what happened to Caylee. He was put in plastic bag, dropped in woods and water but not as long as Caylee. You can watch by going to www.cbs.com and click on CSI. Very graphic. It will tear at your heart. It did mine, for someone to dispose of someone "they" say they love. For Caylee
I slimey lowlife selling blue movies, OK. But not little Caylee. Please.

That link was very informative, thanks Zippy
Casey should be strapped (duct taped) to a chair and forced to watch it over and over and...

[happygert]

Listening to the interviews with cindy Yuri, Eric.. cidny is telling them most evening when she got home casey and Caylee was there..now she saying she watch Caylee if casey was working some time she get home aroun 9 other times if she had to work late maybe she'd get home around 1 or 2.......she KNEW CASEY didnt have a job,,,NO MENTION YET OF A NANNy!!!

[mosey?]

He was trying to spin why the Anthonys might decide to cremate Caylee's remains. He said that they were concerned that some freak might dig up Caylee's remains if Caylee was buried.

He did NOT say that one thing that the Anthonys could choose to do to allay their concern of desecration of Caylee's corpse, would be to have a thick concrete slab/platform cast over the grave then erect a lovely marker on top of the concrete slab. This is called a "False Tomb" ( http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/cem_glossary.pdf bottom of page 5) and of course it costs quite a bit more than cremation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsIs Caseys right to choose if her daughter will be buried or cremated taken away with the pending charges and her incarceration?

[happygert]

part 1
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=CAPART1_092720080105&cat=CAC&title=Cindy%20Anthony%20Interview%20Part%201

[jammies]

jammies, I too believe they put on a charade and thought the baby's body would never be found. I believe they all knew the baby was dead before they ever called 911.


I don't think Cindy did until AFTER the last 911 call. I also think she regrets making that call.

[jammies]

What get's me is that Tim Miller along with basically everyone else involved in searching were blasted for not looking for a live Caylee...but it doesn't look to me like D.Casey was looking for a live child.

They knew she was dead and Tim was getting WAAAAAY too close. They were scared he would find her. How they must hate Kronk!

[mosey?]

What get's me is that Tim Miller along with basically everyone else involved in searching were blasted for not looking for a live Caylee...but it doesn't look to me like D.Casey was looking for a live child.Which means, to any thinking person, neither were Cindy and George.At some point in time Casey confessed. I think it was the in the letters she talks about to Lee in the jailhouse visit.

Does Baez have the right to open and read the letters, before he delivers them?

[aubrey04]

I totally agree with your last statement. First time I saw Cindy on Greta's show I sincerely thought it was a missing baby in need of fast media help. Media is a great tool. Cindy said the most wildly unbelieveable statements and Greta had to practically beg her to talk about the baby. Red flags went off all over the place for me. I thought she was lying from that start.

She told Greta the nanny was a longtime family friend who she had never met, never seen and never talked to on the phone. But she was a trusted longtime family friend.

As this case has progressed my suspicions have been verified. I believe they gave themselves the 31 days to hide the body and get their stories straight. Starting from the June 9th date which I believe to be a lie. All 4 of them didn't forget to look at a calendar I don't believe. I believe they've all lied from the start to try to protect Casey's murder so she could escape prosecution for the awful crime. I believe the whole thing was staged and planned including the feigned emotionalism during the 911 calls. Because Cindy tells FBI she lied in that call. So - we learned she can act and fool a lot of people. She didn't fool me for one single minute. I never believed the our dtr was missing for 31 days story.

First time I heard her for a few minutes I knew she was not to be trusted. I hope with all my heart the jurors grasp what happened and convict the murderous witch and put her away forever. She has a black heart and is an extreme danger to all of society.

So you believe that someone else ~ (family member?) was involved in the disposal of Caylee's body. I really hope that is not true because that would be just too upsetting to grasp.

See - I believe Cindy's 911 calls. Maybe I am being naive about the tapes because Cindy is a very convincing liar, imo. Had I not known the facts of this case and had Cindy's lies not been so outrageous -- I might have believed her.

We know Cindy has lied because of her numerous contradictory statements.. but she doesn't flinch when she lies. Her voice doesn't get shaky or reveal anxiety when she lies. Most people - when they lie - get nervous, anxious, shifty-eyed, fidgety, look down a lot, etc.. Not Cindy - she is bold with her lies.

So it is possible that the 911 call was faked, but I don't believe it was.. however, I do agree that this has been a cover-up for a long, long time. Save Casey at all costs - no matter what.

RE: about how they all jumped on the 9th.. they did it bc they knew Casey had claimed the last time she saw caylee was the 9th & they didn't want to trip her up, imo. You're right.. why would they all pick that date?

[aubrey04]

I don't think Cindy did until AFTER the last 911 call. I also think she regrets making that call.

I think she regrets it too.. and if she could re-do the events of the 15th - she wouldn't have called.

:(

[happygert]

mention a baby sitter said Jesse called and said the sitter had Caylee at the beach

[Neffy]

He was trying to spin why the Anthonys might decide to cremate Caylee's remains. He said that they were concerned that some freak might dig up Caylee's remains if Caylee was buried.

He did NOT say that one thing that the Anthonys could choose to do to allay their concern of desecration of Caylee's corpse, would be to have a thick concrete slab/platform cast over the grave then erect a lovely marker on top of the concrete slab. This is called a "False Tomb" ( http://www.in.gov/dnr/files/cem_glossary.pdf bottom of page 5) and of course it costs quite a bit more than cremation.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I am so disgusted with them.

The mantra lives: Someone else did it, someone else will do it.

Never in my life have I witnessed such outlandish statements as those that come out of this family's mouths.

This pillar of society as they've put themself on blaming outsiders for their woes is incredible.

They didn't need to go any further then their own backyard.

[jammies]

aubrey,

I believe the 911 call too. That was REAL emotion. We never saw that same "Cindy" again. They knew that night, IMO.

[jammies]

I think she regrets it too.. and if she could re-do the events of the 15th - she wouldn't have called.

:(


Oh you bet! From that moment on they never once pleaded for the return of Caylee. Just bashed everyone that was trying to help. Their marriage may have been on the rocks before Caylee went missing but they sure have regrouped, haven't they?

[jammies]

Even though Cindy told FBI she had lied on that 911 call? It's on the doc dump thread. Cindy's FBI interview.


She didn't lie about Caylee being missing, though. I'll bet when GA got home he sat her down and explained a few things to her. Or sometime soon after.

[catdoc]

Nope I figured you couldn't answer ,maybe your googling as I type.


Never once heard of a kidnapper returning a child by the pleas of family members, NEVER !

It is, as you no doubt know, impossible to know if the kidnapped child's being kept ALIVE might have been, at least in part, due to a family's public pleading. Shawn Hornbeck was kept alive and his family never stopped begging for his life. Elizabeth Smart was kept alive and her family used every media outlet to plead. The brother of the Yellowstone murderer who was held 7 yrs. was kept alive (can't remember his name,later died on a motorcycle). And the Amber alert boy recently in Las Vegas was kept alive and dropped off in a safe place. His parents were everywhere begging for his life.

Certainly doesn't hurt...I would beg in front of every camera.

[zippy]

I slimey lowlife selling blue movies, OK. But not little Caylee. Please.

That link was very informative, thanks Zippy
Casey should be strapped (duct taped) to a chair and forced to watch it over and over and...

YW. I used the setting from the movie " A Time to Kill". where the lawyer in closing says " Now pretend it was a white girl" and so I pretended it was Caylee being put in plastic bag and duct tape instead of a tie. Throughout this it was like they wished she would disappear all together and just have pictures and memories. She was just an innocent soul and only one like her as all of us are in this universe.:rose:

[aubrey04]

Oh you bet! From that moment on they never once pleaded for the return of Caylee. Just bashed everyone that was trying to help. Their marriage may have been on the rocks before Caylee went missing but they sure have regrouped, haven't they?

I would assume they pretty much have to. Nobody else seems to want to be around them, besides the blood suckers - PIs, KidFinders creeps and other various other "hanger-ons". Otherwise, it appears a lot of family members have had enough.. like Cindy's mom and brother, Rick.

So George & Cindy are now stuck with one another.

[Oregongal]

Hi all.....way back on page one, I tried, per Aubrey's advice to carryover a post because I missed the bus to the new thread, then my connection went dead, so now I am running along side the bus, trying to catch up to the door....
LOL, I watched the movie Little Miss Sunshine this weekend and I feel like Olive who got left behind. LOL.
So, I am going to throw in my suitcase as I continue to keep running to catch up....

Quote:
Originally Posted by need2no
All they had to say to the media was "We do not believe our daughter would harm our precious granddaughter, she is a very loving mother and we stand behind and fully support her. Please assist us..we need your help with getting the word out about Caylee, who we are confident has been kidnapped. Please respect our privacy at this horrific time of our lives."'

If this was all they had stated initially and stuck to it, and then only spoke to the media to make pleas for Caylee's safe return, show her pics and talk about how special she is and ask for the public's helping in looking for her, they would have a ton of public sympathy, and support.

And Cindy did recognize the bad traits in casey...she told many of her friends her negative opinion of casey. Here's another example:

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

I SOOOO agree with you n2n!!!
These grandparents would have had the world at their command if they'd done what 'normal' gp's and parents have done in the past and those who will continue to do in the future. If they'd only been honest.
That to me is the twist, they were never honest.
Truth wins out every time. They twisted, they spun, they attacked.
They attacked each that was trying to find Caylee, LE, FBI, Tim Miller, the media, the searchers.
Why?
IMO, because they knew, they felt guilt (even if it wasn't theirs), they knew from the moment they picked up that car and then when Cindy found Casey alive and well and hanging at her boyfriends with no Caylee, they knew Caylee was gone.
And you know what, even if they did know and didn't want to admit, all they had to do was go on tv and plead to whoever had Caylee, give her back, let them know she was safe, etc....and the public, the media, LE and FBI would have probably been circling the wagons around them. Everyone would have been on their side, sympathsizing, empathisizing with them, crying, praying and standing with them.
But, no. They never did that. They went into immediate proctective and circle the wagons mode. Why? What does this 22 yr old daughter of this family hold over her parents to cause them to to do this?
Are they stupid and/or totally ignorant?. Sorry, but, I say they were stupid when they went into the protect the socio daughter mode and forgot the probably dead grandaughter mode. For some reason this Casey has them wrapped. What secrets does she hold against them that they are so afraid that they would lie and cover for her?
WTH are they so afraid of that they couldn't even appear on tv, as even Susan Smith did....and beg and plead for their grandaughters return?
Did they feel so guilty and threatend by Casey they didn't dare do this?
Why? And will we ever know why?
Something is and was very wrong in this family before we ever knew about them.
There are many secrets in many families and I believe that those are the families secrets alone, but when it comes to the deliberate murder of an innocent baby, the secrets need to come out in order to find the absolute truth about how and why that baby died.
Lots of questions. Rant over. Thanks for listening.

And thanks for grabbing me and getting me on the bus. :wub:
__________________
A brand new year is here....let us pray it will be the year of justice for Caylee.
May this be a wonderful New Year for us all.
Adding that all I write are my own opinions, feelings and thoughts.

[AbbyNormal]

aubrey,

I believe the 911 call too. That was REAL emotion. We never saw that same "Cindy" again. They knew that night, IMO.Hi Jammies, I think they knew before that.

When the A's picked up the car from the tow yard, they recognized decomposition.

Why didn't they call the police right away? (I think they knew Cayley was in the backyard......) That's why they went home and searched the backyard.

Cindy's first 911 call is not anxious sounding at all. She sounds more irritated than anything else. She tried to take Casey to the police. She didn't initially plan on the police coming to the house.

I'm just not sure what did Cindy know and when did she know it?

[rj1212]

Even though Cindy told FBI she had lied on that 911 call? It's on the doc dump thread. Cindy's FBI interview.

One wonders...

When Casey said "...I have to find her!" That was the last plea for Caylee Marie. Suddenly there was the pathetic show.


I wonder if the Anthony's knew where Caylee was when they held the "prayer vigils"? I wonder if the Anthony's knew when Casey told us and the media to get off our azzes and find her grand-daughter.

Hypocrisy like we've never seen if they knew she was dead...

mo

[happygert]

She rattled off all that to FBI too in her interview with them. It's 11 DVD's long. Don't think she didn't do some talking. It's unbelieveable.

George tells FBI in his interview that Cindy went to Casey's job when she said she first had the job and found out the truth that she never worked there.

Then the FBI tells them both their stories don't match.

Yet Cindy called FBI in (she tells them) because LE was doing such a poor job! They're incredulous. Then FBI tells Cindy that LE has done a good job.

She just lies I've caught a few of them right off the bat they ask her questions.. she tells them one thing then says something else......

[AbbyNormal]

She rattled off all that to FBI too in her interview with them. It's 11 DVD's long. Don't think she didn't do some talking. It's unbelieveable.

George tells FBI in his interview that Cindy went to Casey's job when she said she first had the job and found out the truth that she never worked there.

Then the FBI tells them both their stories don't match.

Yet Cindy called FBI in (she tells them) because LE was doing such a poor job! They're incredulous. Then FBI tells Cindy that LE has done a good job. I love that CA thinks she called in the FBI....there's almost a poetic justice in that.

[catdoc]

Just for that fact alone.. :)

So Conway says that someone could possibly dig up Caylee? Someone explain plz.

Can someone post a link to this interview? And does anyone remember where I can find GA talking about having the kidnappers watched? Never could find that but have heard about it a lot. amazing!

[happygert]

Listening to this interview I'm betting something did happen between cindy and casey the week of the 7th of June,,LE asking about casey being home on certain days and she saying yes they were there on those days ..LE saying RM said casey and Caylee stayed with him on those days....UMMM

[AbbyNormal]

One wonders...

When Casey said "...I have to find her!" That was the last plea for Caylee Marie. Suddenly there was the pathetic show.


I wonder if the Anthony's knew where Caylee was when they held the "prayer vigils"? I wonder if the Anthony's knew when Casey told us and the media to get off our azzes and find her grand-daughter.

Hypocrisy like we've never seen if they knew she was dead...

mo

Two words. A (as in Anthony) Greed.

[happygert]

Head spinning....round round it goes will it stops no one knows.......:blink:

[velvetbrown]

Head spinning....round round it goes will it stops no one knows.......:blink:
I'll call the Priest...

[BobbisAngel]

I would tell my attorney..hit the pike mike. If I was innocent, I would give up anything to help find my child, my niece, my nephew and my neighbors child. although i'm reading the book called the innocent man and LE can be scary, evil, and wrong at times.. but I hope and really don't think that is the case most often. There is always a bad apple..doesn't make them all bad, all the time. With this case they knew from DAY ONE who was responsible.


Is that the book that John Grisham wrote? That book was a real eye opener for me. I think it probably happens more often then we think. Look how many people have been cleared and let out of prison. That LE department was just plain crooked...and so many of them too along with the Pros. Scary.

[CatS48]

I can not imagine what pain G&C are experiencing right now. Like G said, he doesnt want to think about someone thathe has raised ank KNOWN for all these years doing something like this to Caylee. Without a doubt they are totally devistated and destroyed for not only losing the grandaughter that tey have loved & basically raised for 3 years, but to see that all of the years they tried to do their best in rearing casey has turned out to be a TOTAL WASTE. We can all cast stones and say they should have done this with Casey as a child (me included) or they should have done that, but the fact of the matter is CASEY & CASEY alone is responsible for her actions and choices. Perhaps (IMO) G&C did enable Casey to make the bad choices in her life, perhaps they did lie to each other in regards there "family" situations, but this in no way gave Casey the "right" to kill her baby and throw her away like yesterdays trash...garbage bag and all.
I do think that G&C both have done things since the hoopla began that do seem a bit...well obstructive in nature. But at the same time I feel like Cindy was only grasping on the the small tiny bit of normalicy she thought she had left. Right or wrong will be in the hands of LE once Casey has recv'd her verdict. Then, once the WHOLE story has been laid out, they can determine if G&C (and lee perhaps) are in need of punishment for their deeds since the 31st day.

:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:

Very nice, compassionate post. I agree with you 100%

[AbbyNormal]

Hi all.....way back on page one, I tried, per Aubrey's advice to carryover a post because I missed the bus to the new thread, then my connection went dead, so now I am running along side the bus, trying to catch up to the door....
LOL, I watched the movie Little Miss Sunshine this weekend and I feel like Olive who got left behind. LOL.
So, I am going to throw in my suitcase as I continue to keep running to catch up....

Quote:
Originally Posted by need2no
All they had to say to the media was "We do not believe our daughter would harm our precious granddaughter, she is a very loving mother and we stand behind and fully support her. Please assist us..we need your help with getting the word out about Caylee, who we are confident has been kidnapped. Please respect our privacy at this horrific time of our lives."'

If this was all they had stated initially and stuck to it, and then only spoke to the media to make pleas for Caylee's safe return, show her pics and talk about how special she is and ask for the public's helping in looking for her, they would have a ton of public sympathy, and support.

And Cindy did recognize the bad traits in casey...she told many of her friends her negative opinion of casey. Here's another example:

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

I SOOOO agree with you n2n!!!
These grandparents would have had the world at their command if they'd done what 'normal' gp's and parents have done in the past and those who will continue to do in the future. If they'd only been honest.
That to me is the twist, they were never honest.
Truth wins out every time. They twisted, they spun, they attacked.
They attacked each that was trying to find Caylee, LE, FBI, Tim Miller, the media, the searchers.
Why?
IMO, because they knew, they felt guilt (even if it wasn't theirs), they knew from the moment they picked up that car and then when Cindy found Casey alive and well and hanging at her boyfriends with no Caylee, they knew Caylee was gone.
And you know what, even if they did know and didn't want to admit, all they had to do was go on tv and plead to whoever had Caylee, give her back, let them know she was safe, etc....and the public, the media, LE and FBI would have probably been circling the wagons around them. Everyone would have been on their side, sympathsizing, empathisizing with them, crying, praying and standing with them.
But, no. They never did that. They went into immediate proctective and circle the wagons mode. Why? What does this 22 yr old daughter of this family hold over her parents to cause them to to do this?
Are they stupid and/or totally ignorant?. Sorry, but, I say they were stupid when they went into the protect the socio daughter mode and forgot the probably dead grandaughter mode. For some reason this Casey has them wrapped. What secrets does she hold against them that they are so afraid that they would lie and cover for her?
WTH are they so afraid of that they couldn't even appear on tv, as even Susan Smith did....and beg and plead for their grandaughters return?
Did they feel so guilty and threatend by Casey they didn't dare do this?
Why? And will we ever know why?
Something is and was very wrong in this family before we ever knew about them.
There are many secrets in many families and I believe that those are the families secrets alone, but when it comes to the deliberate murder of an innocent baby, the secrets need to come out in order to find the absolute truth about how and why that baby died.
Lots of questions. Rant over. Thanks for listening.

And thanks for grabbing me and getting me on the bus. :wub:
__________________
A brand new year is here....let us pray it will be the year of justice for Caylee.
May this be a wonderful New Year for us all.
Adding that all I write are my own opinions, feelings and thoughts.Hi Oregongal. I think you are right. There are probably layers and layers of secrets in this family.

Watch what they do, not what they say ~

[BobbisAngel]

Well heck Casey cries and she's the accused killer. If you listen to FBI/Cindy interview you'll hear Cindy admit she was dishonest in her 911 call. That they were never out of touch with their dtr as she claimed. So we know she can act.

What's sad is anyone calling to report a baby missing and being dishonest with law enforcement at the expense of a two year old baby.


I believe that if Cindy had it to do all over again she would never have made that 911 call about Caylee missing and the smell in the trunk. I think if she had thought over how those calls would affect Casey they never would have been made. The family would have lied about where Caylee was until people stopped asking. I hope I'm wrong though.

[AbbyNormal]

I know. She also repirmands them and instructs them how to do their job. She's pretty amazing. What do they call that in politics, filibuster. That's what she's been about since she hit the ground running in her media circuit soon as she hung up the phone from giving her false information to 911. That's what I believe.

I believe they're all sick about losing the baby and sick about all of it, including their dtr in deep water with the law. But I still believe they've done what they've done.

I am of the impression that if you cover up a crime you're guilty of that crime. Our laws agree. I don't think they'll be prosecuted but should they be? I don't know. Not for me to say. They have breached the law otherwise their lawyers wouldn't be talking immunity.

When you listen to CA's interview's....there's a couple of times when she is confronted -- basically, backed into a corner -- with truth. And she get very, very quiet. Her voice is almost childlike. Then she'll take off again on another tangent.

I think, now that Caylee has been found, she will be very, very quiet. At least for a little while -- unless/until LE grants immunity.

[AbbyNormal]

Oh yes, very much so. That's her confound and confuse mode. Go off in 6 dif directions spinning more blarney. She's very practiced at it.



I think she only shut up now because her lawyer convinced her she may be prosecuted if she doesn't button it up. Agreed, until LE grants immunity.

I haven't gotten around to thinking much about how the pros will examine them on the witness stand. Can you imagine?!! :scared:What a twisted ball of yarn, trying to get straight answers out of any of them. Would CA be considered a hostile witness?

[happygert]

I'll call the Priest...

do it fast......PLEASE.........OMG had about all i can take for one night...dont know how these guys did it........:scared:

[3Monkeys]

I have a couple of questions about when Casey's car was left at the Amscot.

Do we know that it actually HAD run out of gas, or was it deliberately left there by Casey? In either situation, what was she thinking by letter that car full of evidence be found?

What was she using for transportation during the time she didn't have a vehicle?

TIA

[happygert]

Remember the roommate of the new boyfriend when he was on Greta's show? He said Casey & Cindy were never out of touch with each other and that Casey did spend time at their apt and at her parent's home during that time in question. Cindy confirmed she and George were never out of touch in her FBI interview. Sounds like you're almost verifying whatever you're listening to is confirming what the temp roommate told Greta.

The new boyfriend told LE Casey had him over to the A's house at least once it was I believe he said. Casey had Amy over there. Amy put in a change of address to the A's home after Casey invited her to live there. Said her parents would go away soon to another state and leave her the house and everything.

I think the A's were about to be offed by Casey. I will always believe that. She was planning to murder the whole family I think. I believe it with all my heart and with all my heart I'm SO glad they got her stopped before it happened. If only they would've caught her before she killed the poor baby.

It's too bad no one had Caylee's best interest at HEART..

[happygert]

I too think their ongoing hostility toward one another came to a head aroung that time.

So do I.
.....

[happygert]

Hi all.....way back on page one, I tried, per Aubrey's advice to carryover a post because I missed the bus to the new thread, then my connection went dead, so now I am running along side the bus, trying to catch up to the door....
LOL, I watched the movie Little Miss Sunshine this weekend and I feel like Olive who got left behind. LOL.
So, I am going to throw in my suitcase as I continue to keep running to catch up....

Quote:
Originally Posted by need2no
All they had to say to the media was "We do not believe our daughter would harm our precious granddaughter, she is a very loving mother and we stand behind and fully support her. Please assist us..we need your help with getting the word out about Caylee, who we are confident has been kidnapped. Please respect our privacy at this horrific time of our lives."'

If this was all they had stated initially and stuck to it, and then only spoke to the media to make pleas for Caylee's safe return, show her pics and talk about how special she is and ask for the public's helping in looking for her, they would have a ton of public sympathy, and support.

And Cindy did recognize the bad traits in casey...she told many of her friends her negative opinion of casey. Here's another example:

"Whose fault is it you're sitting in jail?" Cindy Anthony said. "Are you blaming me you are sitting in the jail? Blame yourself for telling lies. What do you mean it is not your fault? What do you mean it's not your fault, sweetheart? If you would have told them the truth and not lied about everything…"

I SOOOO agree with you n2n!!!
These grandparents would have had the world at their command if they'd done what 'normal' gp's and parents have done in the past and those who will continue to do in the future. If they'd only been honest.
That to me is the twist, they were never honest.
Truth wins out every time. They twisted, they spun, they attacked.
They attacked each that was trying to find Caylee, LE, FBI, Tim Miller, the media, the searchers.
Why?
IMO, because they knew, they felt guilt (even if it wasn't theirs), they knew from the moment they picked up that car and then when Cindy found Casey alive and well and hanging at her boyfriends with no Caylee, they knew Caylee was gone.
And you know what, even if they did know and didn't want to admit, all they had to do was go on tv and plead to whoever had Caylee, give her back, let them know she was safe, etc....and the public, the media, LE and FBI would have probably been circling the wagons around them. Everyone would have been on their side, sympathsizing, empathisizing with them, crying, praying and standing with them.
But, no. They never did that. They went into immediate proctective and circle the wagons mode. Why? What does this 22 yr old daughter of this family hold over her parents to cause them to to do this?
Are they stupid and/or totally ignorant?. Sorry, but, I say they were stupid when they went into the protect the socio daughter mode and forgot the probably dead grandaughter mode. For some reason this Casey has them wrapped. What secrets does she hold against them that they are so afraid that they would lie and cover for her?
WTH are they so afraid of that they couldn't even appear on tv, as even Susan Smith did....and beg and plead for their grandaughters return?
Did they feel so guilty and threatend by Casey they didn't dare do this?
Why? And will we ever know why?
Something is and was very wrong in this family before we ever knew about them.
There are many secrets in many families and I believe that those are the families secrets alone, but when it comes to the deliberate murder of an innocent baby, the secrets need to come out in order to find the absolute truth about how and why that baby died.
Lots of questions. Rant over. Thanks for listening.

And thanks for grabbing me and getting me on the bus. :wub:
__________________
A brand new year is here....let us pray it will be the year of justice for Caylee.
May this be a wonderful New Year for us all.
Adding that all I write are my own opinions, feelings and thoughts.

Hi Oregongal.....ITA!...........

[AbbyNormal]

I have a couple of questions about when Casey's car was left at the Amscot.

Do we know that it actually HAD run out of gas, or was it deliberately left there by Casey? In either situation, what was she thinking by letter that car full of evidence be found?

What was she using for transportation during the time she didn't have a vehicle?

TIA
Good questions. Well, Casey says she ran out of gas.....and George brought gas cans to the tow yard when he picked up the car.

Cindy told the FBI she would never leave that kind of evidence just laying around. She would have run the car into a river or off a cliff.

Part of the time, Casey was driving Amy's car (and spending Amy's money). You could probably get more accurate information from some of the other posters' here, or dig around in the links section. (I am going to claim CRS --- can't remember stuff, lol).

[cherish]

Unless Kronk lives another life as a woman named "Zanny" and in drag is friends with Juliet Lewis, babysits children, and lived at the Sawgrass in a vacant apartment...I don't see how it matters, unless....

Kronk is really a hired kidnapper, who uses the nanny, Zanny as his decoy, along with a sister, Samantha, writing scripts for the missing child's single mother to follow...unless.....

Kronk was tipped off by D. Casey, that PI that worked for the A's to call in tip's because they had to place a dead Caylee when Casey was sitting in jail....unless....

The guy like many of us followed this case, heard the rumors around the neighborhood and did a little of his own investigation, and found the remains....

OMG, I think you've got it!

[3Monkeys]

Good questions. Well, Casey says she ran out of gas.....and George brought gas cans to the tow yard when he picked up the car.

Cindy told the FBI she would never leave that kind of evidence just laying around. She would have run the car into a river or off a cliff.

Part of the time, Casey was driving Amy's car (and spending Amy's money). You could probably get more accurate information from some of the other posters' here, or dig around in the links section. (I am going to claim CRS --- can't remember stuff, lol).

Thanks for that info.... Now that you mention it, I do remember her borrowing Amy's car while she was on holidays.... waaayyy too late for me here!

As she was cashing Amy's cheques, it makes me wonder why she didn't use some of that money to put gas iin the car.... to drive it off a cliff or whatever. Sometimes she seems so clever/manipulative, and other times she seems either dumb....or believing she's above it all.

[AbbyNormal]

Thanks for that info.... Now that you mention it, I do remember her borrowing Amy's car while she was on holidays.... waaayyy too late for me here!

As she was cashing Amy's cheques, it makes me wonder why she didn't use some of that money to put gas iin the car.... to drive it off a cliff or whatever. Sometimes she seems so clever/manipulative, and other times she seems either dumb....or believing she's above it all.I want to read a book on this case by FBI profilers, so someone can explain this whole family to me.

[3Monkeys]

Good questions that have been asked numerous times. I don't know of any proof the car had accidentally run out of gas or ran out of gas at all. The storage yard guy told LE he thought it odd George brought gas without prompting. I think he even pondered with the LE interviewer How did he know it was out of gas? my paraphrase but close. Just don't feel like digging up the exact words and link right now. Also, who left it there at Amscot? Really? A young man is said to have given her a ride, but is that a truthful story or not? Why did Casey leave her purse laying on the seat of the abandoned car? She had never done that before that anyone knows of.

It looked real staged to my mind. 7 miles from her home stinking of dead body and left there with her purse & ID?

It always looked staged to me but was it? I don't know. Did someone help Casey stage it if it was staged? I don't know.

Nothing from these people would surprise me after what they've shown themselves to be in all their inconsistencies.

It always looked to me (I believe) like they wanted someone to find it. They had to report the dead baby missing sooner or later or all move to South America and hide out forever, right? To my mind (I believe) they might have decided their best bet would be to stage everything, let enough time pass so evidence would hopefully be destroyed, figure out which storys to tell and synchronize their stories.

Maybe someone purposely syphoned the gas. Maybe someone other than Casey purposely put the car at Amscot to be found. Maybe somebody knew the tow lot would notify them to pick it up there. Maybe somebody could more easily feign all the shock, suprise and not knowing that way.

Honestly after their inconsistencies and backgrounds nothing would surprise me. I don't expect we'll ever know the truth. I can tell you these are some of the thoughts I've had. I may be wrong but maybe I'm right too.

What if the baby was killed inside the house when the family was home together. What then? Nobody knows where the baby was murdered but LE sure took a lot of evidence out from the inside the house. I think LE believes the baby was murdered inside that house. And what about the dead body smell in the back yard. An ex homicide detective wouldn't know a dead body was all over his life? I don't believe him.

yes I believe they've circled the wagons to protect the dtr and I believe it goes way deeper than is suspected at this time. The hard push at the media after the 911 calls after the 31 days that Cindy has admitted was a lie; begs the question; Why would an entire family go to all this effort. Would they goto all this effort at cover up just to protect the one dtr putting all other family members in jeopardy? Or do the reasons for the layers of deceit go deeper than what meets the eye? I don't know.

I'm not saying anything specific or sinister. Just that the baby may have died inside the home and the family known of the murder sooner than they admit to. I'm not saying I wonder about anything more or less than that.

Many have suspected a coverup for the killer; casey. But when did it begin? We know the 31 days were a lie as per cindy. We know George knew his g-dtr could be in the trunk of the dead body smell. He offered that so we know it was in his mind at the tow yard. VERY early on. Maybe they knew even earlier than that? They're known to fudge dates, after all is my thinking. They would not like me as a juror.

Thank you for the detailed description of the car being left at the Amscot, and for sharing your thoughts on what may have happened before and after that point.

It's definitely interesting that George knew to bring gas... but then it makes me even more curious as to whether the car was actually 'out' of gas.... I do agree that Casey was trying to lure a would-be car thief by leaving her purse and keys in it. But I wonder why she changed her mind about that, and decided to retrieve them after all. As you say, perhaps we'll never know.

I don't have a strong opinion as to when the A's knew Caylee was dead, or to what extent they covered it up (if any), but I do know that when I think about a possibility of a cover up, I can't imagine why/how any other person except for the murderer could let a family members body - a child - be allowed to (sorry) rot in the elements. It's the one fact that I can't get past to believe that the A's were involved in the murder, or a cover up. Of course, that's not to say that my opinion won't change tomorrow, and again the day after, etc.

[cherish]

As Mayor of the Munchkin City, in the Valley of the Land of Oz....

Yes, very similar. Did a house fall on someone and I was not aware?? Does this mean I can release my winged monkeys??

No, but you must surrender the ruby slippers.

[3Monkeys]

I want to read a book on this case by FBI profilers, so someone can explain this whole family to me.

Yes - as long as the proceeds go to a good charity - I'd be fascinated to read that as well!

Time to get some rest here - good night!

[AbbyNormal]

Well, it's sure nice in here late at night. Thanks everyone for letting me ponder along with you all. Maybe more truth will come to light soon.

Good night

[2Hope4]

I agree with the posters in thinking that lots of this case was 'scripted'.

I also believe that when the duct tape was applied to Caylee, that person's hair and fingerprints were captured and will be a major plus for the prosecutors.

Now to lay out some theories....

Casey killed Caylee. GA, and CA felt some guilt that they were responsible for the killing because if only that hadn't done this, or hadn't said that, if only they had done this or that, then Caylee would be alive. I don't believe they actually had any part in Caylee dying though. That atrocious act was committed by Casey and Casey alone.

This family had a full month to plot their script, and rally their troop.

IMO, CA's mother had been asking about Caylee, and was really beginning to question the answers from CA. She was deeply concerned about Caylee, and wanted honest answer and to see Caylee. They had to come up with script, though at that point, they were grieving, and they were blaming each other for Caylee's death. They hadn't planned on calling 911 quite yet, but was being forced.

I don't think Casey left the car at Amscot. I'm not sure who did. I do believe at the time that the car was left there, Caylee was in the trunk. For some reason, I get the feeling that GA was expecting, and 'knew' Caylee was going to be in the trunk when he opened it at the tow yard. Thus the police would have came THERE and started their investigation, instead of at the Anthony home. I'm not sure on who removed the body, and placed it where it was found. For some reason, I believe it was placed there so that it WOULD be found. Whoever moved the body, didn't want it found in the car to implicate Casey. I'm not sure the rest of the family knew it had been removed from the trunk. IF the body had been in the car, I believe the Anthony's were planning on saying SEE, Zanny stole the car, kidnapped Caylee, and killed her. Stuffed her in the trunk, and abandoned the car.

I know there are holes in this theory, and the air tests throws a wrench in my theory...

But, a nagging feeling tells me that body was suppose to be in the trunk when George opened it with a witness there. Otherwise, why open it at all? Why not just drive it home, without mentioning the odor, without telling the towyard guy about Caylee being missing? What was the purpose in telling the towyard man that?

[ellegna]

Good morning

New thread for Tuesday morning
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12648971&posted=1#post12648971

[CANDYKISSES]

One wonders...

When Casey said "...I have to find her!" That was the last plea for Caylee Marie. Suddenly there was the pathetic show.


I wonder if the Anthony's knew where Caylee was when they held the "prayer vigils"? I wonder if the Anthony's knew when Casey told us and the media to get off our azzes and find her grand-daughter.

Hypocrisy like we've never seen if they knew she was dead...

mo


Hypocrisy...

"Get off your azzes" from CA = "MYOB and quit second guessing this saga" from Candy. JM lowly opinion....:crying:

I have SOME PITY, SOME COMPASSION for that family, but ZERO SYMPATHY and LESS THAN ZERO COMPREHENSION for all the evil deeds of denial and lies. :cursing:

[CANDYKISSES]

Many Thanks!!:smile: That's the one I've been wanting to read and watch the video, of Cindy asking the FBI, if she intimidated them.:rolleyes: Can you believe that? This is one SICK, SICKO family.
I'm off to do some reading now, in the doc dump.


AMEN SOOKIE. :blush:

[Daffodil]

I beilieve that night the 15th was the night neighbors heard the fight, cindy confronted Casey about the hundreds of dollars missing from the grandparents fund. Also there was that check george talks about that she forged to look as IF it were a deposit slip put into their bank for 4,500.00 George had to admit, it sure was a good copy, fooled them, looked like the real deal to him..

That fight was a confrontation over the money she got into.

I have a concern about the arrest affadavit (if that is what it is called) stating the murder took place June 15th or later. Are they blocking themselves in too tight? What if it comes out somehow that it happened before the 15th? Is it Katprints that knows the law? Could you shed some light on this for me? Thank you.

[barskin&co.]

I have a concern about the arrest affadavit (if that is what it is called) stating the murder took place June 15th or later. Are they blocking themselves in too tight? What if it comes out somehow that it happened before the 15th? Is it Katprints that knows the law? Could you shed some light on this for me? Thank you.

How could it have happened before the 15th? We know for certain that Caylee was alive and well and visiting her great grandfather on the
15th.