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[ChildsVOICE]

The original 5:03 p.m. call to 911 was the neighbors hearing the gunshots. Not the call from the teen's father.

I expect the teen's father was most likely already in route home from work and was very near the home. He, probably, just drove straight over to the Romero's to check it out, made what was the second of the 911 calls. The transcripts say he only checked out the Romero house long enough to see a man laying on the front porch. He could have done this just by driving by. The teen and the father each had cell phones, iirc.

The teen's father, the teen and the boy were standing outside the Romero residence when the police arrived for the first time.

Sgt. R figured it was approximately 5:06-5:08 p.m. when they (police)arrived.

The teen or his father let the boy use one of the cell phones to call the step mother at 5:12 and again at 5:14 p.m.


The neighbors who heard the gunshots and reported them, may have only and most likely, heard the final shots to TR, outside at 5:03 p.m.

The perpetrator(s) get into the vehicle with a get a way driver. The car rushes off. The child has been in route to the house arrives as the car rushes off. He sees Tim, runs and screams out dad's name, takes a few seconds to check the downstairs for the dad (if he actually did that) finds dad on stairs. Pokes dad with toes. Sits down beside or lays on landing and cries. Boy does not stay there long but seems so to truamatized child. Runs away to neighbors, fearful. Becha he was bookin' it. Teen's father drives straight to scene probably from only a few blocks away, most likely nearly home from work. Gets there before police who were 7 blocks away and had to leave police headquarters building and get into car. Used cell phone to make second 911 call from vehicle. In the meantime, boy and teen walk or run back over to Romero house (boy was seeking help) to join teen's dad. Police arrive.

Then case investigated, police get 8 year old to "confess" without actually confessing. Investigation shut down. Case solved about as fast as the crime was committed.


The boy barely had enough time to do what he originally stated but it is completely do-able in his original version.

No way could he add shooting two adult men who were avid hunters, upstairs & downstairs, inside and outside, climbing over a body twice--once going up and once coming back down, etc. etc. etc.

[ChildsVOICE]

Got to go. Sounds like I've got an 8 year old boy upstairs getting sick. He's had a nasty cold.

Good night.

Just keep praying for the little Romero boy.

[ExPI]

I am going to get ahead of the curve on the ballistics.

This information is from a Texas case.

(3) A .22 caliber rifle bullet was used to cause the death of the victim, and that bullet was impressed with a rifle barrel with a right hand twist and "twelve lands and grooves;"

(6) To the State's firearm expert's knowledge, the only kind of gun that could have ben used to kill the victim was a Cricket .22 caliber rifle;

This is from Mossberg's website:
Plinkster® features an automatic bolt lock - keeping the bolt open, after the last shot is fired from the magazine. The .22 caliber (Long Rifle only) free-floating barrel employs an 8-groove, 1 in 16" RH twist,

How tough can it be to count the difference between a spacing of 8 and a spacing of 12? How many labs do you need to send te evidence to? I think I was intentionally not looking this up because I feared the rifles would be the same pattern. This is simple. Why haven't they released the ballistics? I think the prosecution doesn't like the answer.

[ChildsVOICE]

Does LE state that it has to have been done by a single shot or are they just assuming it is the Chipmunk rifle?

They saw it laying there (or where ever they acutually found it) saw all the .22 caliber spent shells everywhere.

I'm assuming they assumed.

[ChildsVOICE]

Hope this brightens your morning:

Judge FINALLY allows DA's pick for therapist! Yeah!

from Apache County Superior Court High Profile Case website:

ORDER APPOINTING BETTY BEAUMONT MA.pdf


News report:

http://www.azfamily.com/video/localnews-index.html?nvid=321737&shu=1

[PensiveOne]

The special action doc has a new entry at the bottom:

13-Jan-2009 ORDER: Under Advisement AS OF 1/13/09 (Judges Hall, Portley, Norris)

[muska]

It's been over two months now. Back and forth. No poster has a rational motive, time-line opportunity, or other reasonable weapon used to explain these gruesome bloody murders. All the evidence points to the single shot chipmunk. There wasn't an auto involved. Not one poster has stated how that isn't possible. Not even close.
The evidence against the boy is overwhelming.

In your heart of hearts, perhaps, you know that no one else could have done these awful deeds except young Romero. He acted alone and shot these men in a most horrible manner. He then shot them again and again to be sure they wouldn't jump up and get him.
Mr. Brewer, Mr. Carlyon, and Judge Roca know it. That's why this case is lingering. The court doesn't know what to do.

The question now is, what should be done with him?



If I had a vote I would say let him go.

Hawk - Please speak only for yourself! I do not agree with you...not even close!

[GentleBreeze]

The boy barely had enough time to do what he originally stated but it is completely do-able in his original version.

No way could he add shooting two adult men who were avid hunters, upstairs & downstairs, inside and outside, climbing over a body twice--once going up and once coming back down, etc. etc. etc.

What does being an avid hunter have to do with it? Neither man was armed. They had no weapons. The shooter did. A cop can be a sharpshooter but if he has no weapon and is fired upon he can die just like anyone else.

imo

[muska]

The interview/"confession" shouldn't be used in our attempts to figure out what happened. The prosecutor has agreed to suppress it, and if the judge is at all fair, he will throw it out. They both know it was coerced. There's no way to know what is accurate from the child's statements. IMO

[suzanne]

The original 5:03 p.m. call to 911 was the neighbors hearing the gunshots. Not the call from the teen's father.

I expect the teen's father was most likely already in route home from work and was very near the home. He, probably, just drove straight over to the Romero's to check it out, made what was the second of the 911 calls. The transcripts say he only checked out the Romero house long enough to see a man laying on the front porch. He could have done this just by driving by. The teen and the father each had cell phones, iirc.

The teen's father, the teen and the boy were standing outside the Romero residence when the police arrived for the first time.

Sgt. R figured it was approximately 5:06-5:08 p.m. when they (police)arrived.

The teen or his father let the boy use one of the cell phones to call the step mother at 5:12 and again at 5:14 p.m.


The neighbors who heard the gunshots and reported them, may have only and most likely, heard the final shots to TR, outside at 5:03 p.m.

The perpetrator(s) get into the vehicle with a get a way driver. The car rushes off. The child has been in route to the house arrives as the car rushes off. He sees Tim, runs and screams out dad's name, takes a few seconds to check the downstairs for the dad (if he actually did that) finds dad on stairs. Pokes dad with toes. Sits down beside or lays on landing and cries. Boy does not stay there long but seems so to truamatized child. Runs away to neighbors, fearful. Becha he was bookin' it. Teen's father drives straight to scene probably from only a few blocks away, most likely nearly home from work. Gets there before police who were 7 blocks away and had to leave police headquarters building and get into car. Used cell phone to make second 911 call from vehicle. In the meantime, boy and teen walk or run back over to Romero house (boy was seeking help) to join teen's dad. Police arrive.

Then case investigated, police get 8 year old to "confess" without actually confessing. Investigation shut down. Case solved about as fast as the crime was committed.The police got there after the 911 call in 3 to 5 minutes?:confused:

[GentleBreeze]

Yeah, ExPI! You rock! I've got to see where I saw that. So much has come in. I couldn't believe that info when I read it and wanted to delve further. I'll try to find it but may need to post it tomorrow. I still don't know how accurate that info would be.

A poster stated last night that the possible missing Mossberg would be able to use a 10 round magazine. Would that explain the short time frame, the fact the men were shot 10 times, and the fact that no unspent shells were found at the crime scene? Seems to me the time frame calls for an automatic , semi automatic, and/or two shooters. Not a little 8 year old kid.

It would be inconsistent with the shots the neighbors said they heard. They weren't rapid fire but a "pop" then a delay between each "pop." That is consistent with a single bolt action rifle.

imo

[Perplexed1]

No need to get personal if you don't like my answer. I accept facts - but I don't see where you have them on your side. I've given several alternates. Your scenario relies tightly on a particular firing order that doesn't make much sense to me.

You have to take several huge, enormous leaps to set up that this 8 year old did it. He's got to somehow be an undetected sociopath or otherwise severe mental defect, who somehow perfectly covers it, at 8 years old. He's got to have organizational skills and coordination that are challenging for adult military members. He's got to take out two adult men without flinching. He's got to kill one out in public, without being seen, without that one getting the gun right next to him, with Tim making the suicidal and insane decision to run into gunfire rather than away from it (one of the biggest leaps - he's got a cell, a gun, and a path to freedom by running away - and the blood trail shows him running to the door. No logic there). He's got to carry a gun and a box of ammo over his father's bloody corpse (or not yet corpse) in a tight stairway - 8 years old - short legs, lacking adult coordination. And he's got to do all of this organization, planning, cold calculation - and still be such a fool that he tells the police anything they want to hear. And while telling them what they want to hear, confessing to the worst things he could ever admit to, going along with anything they ask him - he still can't manage to even come close to the murder scene - not in number of shots, not in even the little, nonincriminatory matter of where he left the gun.

And single shot - yeah, you can kill grown men as they wait for you to reload, you shoot someone in the chest, and he'll stand there and wait for you to reload so you can shoot him again at the same spot in the chest. Everything points to something far faster than that - not something where you need a few seconds to reload. You get shot in the chest, you feel it, you collapse to the ground, or clutch at it, or curl up around it - you don't stand there to give access to another shot for another several seconds.

The facts do not point to him as the killer. It's not quite impossible - but insanely unlikely that this is indeed the evil spawn of satan, cold, calculating, while appearing innocent, normal, and disorganized, with coordination, mental abilities maybe a decade above his biological age, gun handling abilities well beyond that, that have never shown before or since - but somehow in an interrogation room he's a wimp who rolls over to any question.

Whether he ran and got his gun to put them out of misery, or simoly for protection, I originally thought he wimped down, thinking, 'I'm in trouble for getting the gun!' I still think this.

[GentleBreeze]

The police got there after the 911 call in 3 to 5 minutes?:confused:

The police were at the scene within a couple of minutes after the 911 call.

Its in the Nov. 10th hearing testimony.

imoo

[suzanne]

The police were at the scene within a couple of minutes after the 911 call.

Its in the Nov. 10th hearing testimony.

imoo

There is no way this could have happened.It would have taken them 3 to 5 minutes just to get out of the building and to thier car.It didn't happen this way.The police have been wrong about alot of other things too.As Henry Lee would say Somethings wrong here.

[muska]

I am rather confused by so many claiming almost 9 year olds are clumsy and uncoordinated. Two short years ago my son was that exact age. I can assure you he as well as his friends are not only agile but extremely coordinated. They could shimmy up the big oak tree in my backyard in a matter of seconds...carrying their lunches AND drinks to eat in their respective favorite nooks. My own son since age 6 or 7 would jump the 8 steps from the landing to the ground floor. He also has been known to walk up the doorways to the ceiling.

I am just not seeing an almost nine year old, as a bumbling clumsy baby incapable of the crime. My own could hit a bulls eye with a bow at 75 feet at that age.

Hey - Are you Linda? You kind of sound like her. And it's coincidental that she had an extremely competent 10 year old and yours is nine years old. Just curious. If you are, welcome back!

[GentleBreeze]

Yes, it is. It's also consistent with where they found the boys gun. The boys gun was the murder weapon.

Yes, I also think this boy's gun was the murder weapon.

Also I think many are giving the two dead victims way too much credit on their supposedly abilities that day.

While we would like to believe that we would be fully prepared in case of a violent attack upon us from right out of the blue many times that is not the case.]

http://www.nononsenseselfdefense.com/mental_preparation.htm

This massively complex cocktail of factors is collectively known as the adrenal stress response.

We change in a crisis -- and not always for the better. Our physical and mental acuity are greatly reduced and we are functioning in a very primitive and raw state.

Not only is functioning more difficult, but our perceptions are altered. That is to say our internal 'reality' may not be an accurate reflection of the external 'actuality.' Unfortunately, in this condition what we are going to be reacting to is our internal reality.

The adrenal response can easily create two totally different problems. One is that it renders you incapable of action. Two is it causes you to go berserk on someone ... neither is good.

imo

[GentleBreeze]

There is no way this could have happened.It would have taken them 3 to 5 minutes just to get out of the building and to their car.It didn't happen this way.The police have been wrong about alot of other things too.As Henry Lee would say Somethings wrong here.

This was a tiny town. I believe the police station was about 7 blocks away from the crime scene.

Two minutes to get there is a hurry can be done. I doubt this town has congestion and may not even have that many red lights.

Henry Lee? :tonguewag: Has he spit out catchup lately in a courtroom?:lol:

imoo

[suzanne]

I believe there is an ignore feature. As long as you post on the thread, anyone can reply.


I am saying please do not be rude on my threads.That is ok.Please do not do it any more.We shouldn't have to be ignoring anything.If it happens again by people I am going to report it.