Jan 12 - Jan. 18

[Lindsey]

This looks like a good time to start a new thread and a good post to bring over from the old thread to start it.


Originally Posted by achristie
The reason it is easy to conclude that JY is guilty is, for me, based on the evidence as we know it thus far. I will agree that the evidence is sparse, yet it all leads back to him. This board and it's discussion has everything to do with semantics, spin and parsing. That may apply to you or it may not. We all like to read and analyze each and every detail and nuance. You are no different in that respect. I believe the reason he has not been arrested is possibly due to poor police work in the beginning. I don't believe, as perhaps you do, that it points to anyone else being the murderer. The concern I have is that JY may just get away with murder. May satisfy his supporters but certainly leaves me unsettled. Just sayin' MOO Aggie


I disagree with your assessment that the discussion on this board is only about spin, etc. I think my posts speak for themselves. I have always been respectful when posting on this board and others.

I understand why people believe he is guilty. I am open and willing to discuss other possibilities - that does not change the fact that Jason is the main suspect. If the reason he has not been arrested is due to poor police work then justice for Michelle and Rylan may never come and that would truly be a tragedy.

Sils

[annalyzer]

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

[alterEgo©]

orginally posted by achristie

As for the blood in the shower? It was reported early on by an insider that there were blood swipes on all three walls of the shower in the master bath. We heard this early on , long before it was released via a search warrant.
which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

[achristie]

This looks like a good time to start a new thread and a good post to bring over from the old thread to start it.

Please note that the highlighted areas were not highlighted by the author in her original post.

Thanks, Achristie

[cg007]

which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

[alterEgo©]

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmoAgain I ask, which search warrant described blood swipes on all 3 walls of the shower in the master bath?

[Tia]

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

Do you think he will show up?

[Kat4Eagles]

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo


Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Do you think he will show up?


I do, I think he will come forward....for C's sake.

If he doesn't, then he is going to have one less defender.
At least, in that matter.


Kat

[Tia]

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

IIRC, I think the retired teacher posted that information.

[Lindsey]

Hi Lindsey! Thanks for starting the new thread. I am so looking forward to the custody hearing and finding out what Jason is going to do. It's in Feb right?

Hey Anna! Yes, it will be the beginning of Feb ... the 4th I think. I'm really interested too. Surely he won't just let this slide by the same way as the WD suit?

[Lindsey]

Please note that the highlighted areas were not highlighted by the author in her original post.

Thanks, Achristie

I'm sorry I didn't note that the bolded part of your post was bolded by Silsbee to indicate (what I understood to be) the main thing Silsbee was responding to. I apologize.

[JD1974]

Hey Anna! Yes, it will be the beginning of Feb ... the 4th I think. I'm really interested too. Surely he won't just let this slide by the same way as the WD suit?


If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.

[Lindsey]

I remember this also. We all thought it was strange that the murderer took some time to take a shower when they were done. Do some research alterego...you were participating in the discussion. I believe you also know where to find the fact that they removed a shower tile.........jmo

I didn't know a shower tile was removed. Where can I find this fact? TIA

[JD1974]

I didn't know a shower tile was removed. Where can I find this fact? TIA


I remember the discussion of blood in the shower. I also remember they had to go back and mesaure bloody footprints IIRC in the bathroom. I don't remember them removing a tile from the shower though?

[Lindsey]

Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat

Hey Kat, news to me too about the tile. I thought I had missed it during the months I wasn't posting but if you haven't heard it either I don't feel so bad. I wonder if it's true.

[alterEgo©]

Do you think he will show up?
What will be interesting is if responds by next Tues or not. If he doesn't then it will be re-do of the WDS in that a default judgement will be sought and granted.

[Lindsey]

Achristie: On the other thread which is continued here, you had asked me to expound on the issue of the victim's fingernail scrapings. What I meant was she certainly must have had someone's skin under her nails as she fought. If it was JY, it would have been an easy case to solve. I think that the person who committed this crime was not someone who's DNA LE could identify. If it was JY's dna, they would have had him immediately.

Good point. However if she did scratch herself trying to remove someone's hand from her throat, her DNA will be under her nails. I need to go back and read what was said about that so many months/years ago. Was it from the AR that we got that info?

[alterEgo©]

Where does it say this at?

I never heard of a shower tile being removed either.
Kat
Me either, or a SW detailing blood in the shower.

[alterEgo©]

Good point. However if she did scratch herself trying to remove someone's hand from her throat, her DNA will be under her nails. I need to go back and read what was said about that so many months/years ago. Was it from the AR that we got that info?Yes, the AR detailed linear scratches on her neck as those that would be made by fingernails.

[Lindsey]

If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.

[alterEgo©]

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.Because if he fights it and says anything that remotely contradicts the evidence, they'll nail him with an indictment.

[Lindsey]

I hate to leave a good discussion but my break is almost over. I checked the media sites before starting to post but didn't see anything new today. Maybe later.

[Kat4Eagles]

I agree. I cannot imagine not fighting for your child. There might be good reasons but I surely can't think of any.


Me either, and I think this is one thing we are all in agreement with.

This is not about Jason now, this becomes all about C.

"Jason, you get down there and you fight for your daughter, or she will always wonder why you didn't."

Plus, I can still defend you.....which is not alway easy..


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Because if he fights it and says anything that remotely contradicts the evidence, they'll nail him with an indictment.

Well, then that is the way it will play out.
Because, there won't be any excuses this time.

Kat

[Tia]

Well, after thinking about this case over and over for many months, IMHO, and if anybody wants it, I think this murder was committed by a husband/boyfriend of a woman JY was seeing. It fits all the criteria. I know my fellow posters are thinking why wouldn't the husband/boyfriend go after JY, but it has been documented throughout history that sometimes the person who was cheated on thinks it much more painful to kill the loved ones of the person who caused him such pain and let him live to deal with the aftermath of what he did. JMO, but I've seen it happen before.

That theory would be much more believable if Jason did even one tiny thing to assist LE in the investigation.

[JHP]

Think about it. Let me know what you guys think.

It is an interesting theory, but then I come back to all of the things that IMO point to Jason.
I would love to think it was someone other then Jason who killed Michelle.
As far as the fingernails. If the Murderer had on long sleeves and gloves maybe Michelle didn't get anyone elses skin other then hers under her nails.

JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Achristie: On the other thread which is continued here, you had asked me to expound on the issue of the victim's fingernail scrapings. What I meant was she certainly must have had someone's skin under her nails as she fought. If it was JY, it would have been an easy case to solve. I think that the person who committed this crime was not someone who's DNA LE could identify. If it was JY's dna, they would have had him immediately.


Good point, DD...

That would have been a sure thing to bring about an arrest of Jason.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

If he lets this custody suit slide then I no longer will be able to say he may not have done it. The WD suit, Cassidy recieved the money, so I can write that off. No way can you write off someone not fighting for their child.


Hi JD,
Looks like we are all bailing on Jason for this one.!!

I think he will come through though.

Come on, Jason, step up.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Me either, or a SW detailing blood in the shower.


Well, let's see if someone can come up with a link.

Kat

[JD1974]

Hi JD,
Looks like we are all bailing on Jason for this one.!!

I think he will come through though.

Come on, Jason, step up.

Kat


I know I will if he doesn't at least respond. Get it postponed. I would try to get it away from that judge asap.

[Tia]

TIA, it is believable if you put yourself in JY's shoes in this possible scenario and he knows he is guilty by his deeds that caused the murder of MY and the baby. Not everyone is courageous enough to step forward and say hey, you know what I f***ed up but I never knew it would come to this. Some people just get scared and back away.

Its just that he has never acted like he cared much either way about Michelle and Rylan. Everyone knows he had an affair with MM, so what would make him afraid to talk now? There isn't much more he can do, IMO, to make himself look any worse.

Also, if he had anyone to blame, don't you think he'd be screaming it? Or his lawyer would?

[JD1974]

It is an interesting theory, but then I come back to all of the things that IMO point to Jason.
I would love to think it was someone other then Jason who killed Michelle.
As far as the fingernails. If the Murderer had on long sleeves and gloves maybe Michelle didn't get anyone elses skin other then hers under her nails.

JMO

I have never been attacked, so I cannot say for certain what I would do but most mug shots I have seen of perps where the victim fought back had marks on their face, neck area. I would think I would go for the eyes or between the legs to disable him (if it is a guy of course) but I guess shock has to be a factor also.

[JD1974]

Its just that he has never acted like he cared much either way about Michelle and Rylan. Everyone knows he had an affair with MM, so what would make him afraid to talk now? There isn't much more he can do, IMO, to make himself look any worse.

Also, if he had anyone to blame, don't you think he'd be screaming it? Or his lawyer would?

Good point but what if he doesn't know who did it? An affair with MM and who knows how many others? Plus if LE thought he did it from the start would they have believed him anyway?

[JHP]

JHP, with all due respect, whether the murderer was wearing long sleeves, gloves, etc., she would have scratched his face, neck, eyes, pulled hair, anything she could have gotten hold of . I just don't think the person who did this was anyone whom law enforcement had dna on. UNLESS they botched it, which is always a possiblity.

I am thinking Michelle was sound asleep when she was attacked. My thinking is if she was overtaken then, she might not have been able to fight back much except to try and pull the hands off her neck.

I hope LE didn't botch this one. Sometimes these things take a long time.

[JHP]

Good point but what if he doesn't know who did it? An affair with MM and who knows how many others? Plus if LE thought he did it from the start would they have believed him anyway?

Something was mentioned in the custody lawsuit about someone other then MM in the month before Michelle died.
I really hope Jason answers this lawsuit because we might get some answers then.

JMO

[JD1974]

JHP, I totally believe she was attacked unawares but the crime scene indicated she woke up and fought very hard. The room was in total disarray and tended to indicate a very hard fight. Therefore I think there must have had to be DNA. RIP Michelle.


It is so hard to think of what that poor woman went through before she died. If Jason did this I really hope they can prove it. That's what bothers me about comments for LE they say they cannot release the reason he hasn't been arrested because it would compromise the case? How? Obviously if he did it he knows what they are hung up on because it had to be something he did purposely to cover up for himself. They can't place him at the scene at the time of the murder, I honestly can't think of anything else, if that is the case, then that is huge. Can anyone else think of something else that would fit in with LE's comments about it? It can't be dotting all the i's and crossing all the t's, there is something that is big that is holding up an arrest....something that they know will be reasonable doubt, or else why not go with what they have?

[jerry50]

From all accounts JY is reputed to have a narcissistic personality. Therefore, I don't think he would have stepped up and said "oh, yeah, it might have been so and so or so and so who I've been seeing". He wants to maintain a good reputation. I am not saying the affair with MM had anything to do with this. I am suggesting that since history tends to repeat itself there may have been more than one of the MM type flings and someone's husband or boyfriend may have freaked out. This is just my opinion. If this is not the case my apologies, but in a case like this, everything needs to be looked at. Remember this was a huge rage crime. Not the standard case for a guy who just wants to pretend the unborn child and wife never happened. This was vicious. Not the standard type of murder for a guy who just wants out of his marriage with his pregnant wife. There are easier ways out.

If JY was worried about his reputation he would have done things differently from the start. He has lost most if not all of his friends because of his silence and their opinions he is guilty. If he cared he would not have let the WDS pass without a response from his lawyer. It is quite easy to delay interviews so it should not have been a problem to answer the WDS for the truly innocent. There has been no public outcry from him that he has been named the slayer of his wife and unborn son.
I have followed about every true crime case since Ed Gein that has been in the news. The rage at this scene did not come from an angry spouse. If JY had been the victim I would say otherwise.

The case has all the markings of a spousal murder. There were many reasons for the rage from a person who did not want to be bothered with a divorced spouse, child care payments for 2 children and a tarnished image among his friends for dumping his wife for her best friend.
He stood to be the recipient of a $1 million dollar life insurance payout.
He hated his wife so much that he had a sexual relationship with her best friend. He stood to gain more from her death than any other person.

[jerry50]

You might be surprised to learn about what a scorned lover can do. There was a case that I know of several years ago wherein a married female school principal had an affair with a much younger male teacher who was also married. The principal's husband found out about the affair and broke into the home of the principal's lover. He killed not only his wife's lover, but the other man's wife and their young child. I guess in his twisted logic, he let his own wife live so she could suffer the consequences of her behavior. It happens, sadly enough.


I have no problem with a scorned lover, check out Michelle and Steve Andrews of Fort Meyers.
I just don't see it fitting this case. JY was seen on video leaving his room at the hotel. A car fitting his car's description was seen at his home shortly after the murder occured, all the while he claims to be at the hotal. His clothes caught on tape that night cannot be accounted for. His silence. His lack of integrity and character by screwing his wife's best friend and then he wants us to believe that he was searching Ebay for his wife's anniversary gift. Leaving a piece of paper on his desk that he calls someone to pick up and when that person is in the home cooincidentally finds a bludgeoned corpse.Here he worries that MIchelle might have a surprise spoiled but has no interest in finding her killer. Something is wrong with this picture.

[5swab5]

Well, after thinking about this case over and over for many months, IMHO, and if anybody wants it, I think this murder was committed by a husband/boyfriend of a woman JY was seeing. It fits all the criteria. I know my fellow posters are thinking why wouldn't the husband/boyfriend go after JY, but it has been documented throughout history that sometimes the person who was cheated on thinks it much more painful to kill the loved ones of the person who caused him such pain and let him live to deal with the aftermath of what he did. JMO, but I've seen it happen before.


How nice of this phantom "husband/boyfriend" of one of Jason's lovers to leave Jason's daughter and dog unharmed.

Not to mention, even taking a shower before he left...so he wouldn't track blood all over Jason's carpet. Pffffft!

MOO

[JHP]

I agree that it could be any one of several scenarios. JY's odd behavior leads one to think that it was him, but then there is the lack of his dna had she been fighting him, I just don't know. I would be willing to bet that MY's mother and sister would have the best guess of who did this and I hope LE has taken it into advisement and are pursuing it to the best of their capabilities even though this case is no longer new. If MY's family does or doesn't think JY did this then either of their opinions would speak volumes to me. So far everyone seems to be so tight lipped. I know this is usually the right thing to do before the case goes to court, but after all this time, it would seem to me that the case is stalled and may not be going to court. If someone knows something, no matter how small or unimportant they may think it would be, that could lead up the this case being solved. RIP Michelle and baby boy.

Have you kept up with the Slayer civil case filed by Linda Fisher? She feels that he was responsible for Michelles death and so does Det. Spivey. I'm sure there are links somewhere

[Kat4Eagles]

How nice of this phantom "husband/boyfriend" of one of Jason's lovers to leave Jason's daughter and dog unharmed.

Not to mention, even taking a shower before he left...so he wouldn't track blood all over Jason's carpet. Pffffft!

MOO

Hi Sswab !!
So, why do you or anyone else think it is so difficult to solve the case and make an arrest then?

I know this hasn't been asked before, but I would guess that L E is not content with just a slayer charge.

They really want the handcuffs, the mugshot, the booking sheet, and the pics of Michelle's murderer(s) in an orange jumpsuit.

They want a trial and a verdict and a conviction that can not be overturned.

They want to be able to say they solved the Young case and close the books, right?

Why settle for slayer?

Kat

[Barbara2]

<snipped>

I know this hasn't been asked before, but I would guess that L E is not content with just a slayer charge.

<snipped>
Why settle for slayer?

Kat

I don't believe it's LE's call. I think it's up to the DA. IMO

[Cardinal]

I agree annalyzer, but in a case such as this his dna should have been all over her if JY killed her. Someone's dna had to be all over her, that is certain in this sort of a CS. If it was JY's the case would have been solved a long time ago. JMO.

Would DNA be all over her if the killer were fully clothed and wore gloves and a ski mask?

[jerry50]

I agree that it could be any one of several scenarios. JY's odd behavior leads one to think that it was him, but then there is the lack of his dna had she been fighting him, I just don't know. I would be willing to bet that MY's mother and sister would have the best guess of who did this and I hope LE has taken it into advisement and are pursuing it to the best of their capabilities even though this case is no longer new. If MY's family does or doesn't think JY did this then either of their opinions would speak volumes to me. So far everyone seems to be so tight lipped. I know this is usually the right thing to do before the case goes to court, but after all this time, it would seem to me that the case is stalled and may not be going to court. If someone knows something, no matter how small or unimportant they may think it would be, that could lead up the this case being solved. RIP Michelle and baby boy.

LE knows who the killer is, they are working hard to bring a case together that in a courtroom leaves no reasonable doubt. Linda's opinion was stated very openly when she filed the WDS.
There is no evidence that LE did not find JY"S DNA on Michelle. LE has been very tight lipped about what they have. JY's not talking, why should they. If and when JY is arrested he has the constitutional right to a speedy trial. It doesn't make sense for the DA to jump the gun and file charges when they could easily be waiting for more test results to come back. Unfortunately Michelle was not the only murder of 2006. Forensic labs have got to be backed up. It's possible that a test may come back positive but LE needs more testing to be done and then they start back at square one in line at the FBI labs.
Other murder cases are charged earlier because generally the killer does talk to LE. Many of them think that they are smarter than the cops. JY hasn't talked to LE nor has he (from what we have heard) called LE and asked for a progress report on the case. Look at all the time that LE has had to spend finging out the minutiae of their lives when JY could have sat down and given them that info so that their time could be better spent looking for someone else with a motive.

Instead of posters asking when there will be an arrest they should be asking why hasn't JY talked about the horrific bludgeoning death of his wife. Has he even mentioned to anyone what a blessing it was that Cassidy was not harmed by the killer? There are certain things that he should have said and if he didn't I have to wonder why.

[Kat4Eagles]

LE knows who the killer is, they are working hard to bring a case together that in a courtroom leaves no reasonable doubt. Linda's opinion was stated very openly when she filed the WDS.
There is no evidence that LE did not find JY"S DNA on Michelle. LE has been very tight lipped about what they have. JY's not talking, why should they. If and when JY is arrested he has the constitutional right to a speedy trial. It doesn't make sense for the DA to jump the gun and file charges when they could easily be waiting for more test results to come back. Unfortunately Michelle was not the only murder of 2006. Forensic labs have got to be backed up. It's possible that a test may come back positive but LE needs more testing to be done and then they start back at square one in line at the FBI labs.
Other murder cases are charged earlier because generally the killer does talk to LE. Many of them think that they are smarter than the cops. JY hasn't talked to LE nor has he (from what we have heard) called LE and asked for a progress report on the case. Look at all the time that LE has had to spend finging out the minutiae of their lives when JY could have sat down and given them that info so that their time could be better spent looking for someone else with a motive.

Instead of posters asking when there will be an arrest they should be asking why hasn't JY talked about the horrific bludgeoning death of his wife. Has he even mentioned to anyone what a blessing it was that Cassidy was not harmed by the killer? There are certain things that he should have said and if he didn't I have to wonder why.


You don't think it is okay to ask when there will be an arrest, when this case has dragged on for over 2+ years ?

This could have been a big case, had it broken at the right time..

So, you don't think we should ask why it didn't break or hasn't been solved?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't believe it's LE's call. I think it's up to the DA. IMO



L E plus the DA then.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Would DNA be all over her if the killer were fully clothed and wore gloves and a ski mask?

I don't know, Card, that sounds pre~med, and you are one of the un~pre~meds....!!!

:)
Kat

[Cardinal]

You don't think it is okay to ask when there will be an arrest, when this case has dragged on for over 2+ years ?

This could have been a big case, had it broken at the right time..

So, you don't think we should ask why it didn't break or hasn't been solved?

Kat

Hi, Kat. What do you mean, this could have been a big case?

[awareness]

Would DNA be all over her if the killer were fully clothed and wore gloves and a ski mask?

Im sure Jason's DNA is (or was at the time) all over the house since he lived there. Same goes for Cassidy & Michelle, they all lived there Im sure trace DNA evidence was all over. The lack of DNA under Michelle's nails for example, doesn't bother me.

JMO/IMO

[Cardinal]

I don't know, Card, that sounds pre~med, and you are one of the un~pre~meds....!!!

:)
Kat

I wasn't talking about Jason in this instance, Kat. I was exploring DesertDreams' random/lover's husband theory. I'm asking if the killer were fully clothed and wore gloves and a ski mask, would this unknown person's DNA be all over Michelle?

[Kat4Eagles]

Hi, Kat. What do you mean, this could have been a big case?


In the media sense, Card, that's all.

Not taking away from any murder cases and the justice that they all deserve........

But, by taking so long, this is not getting all the attention it could have.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Im sure Jason's DNA is (or was at the time) all over the house since he lived there. Same goes for Cassidy & Michelle, they all lived there Im sure trace DNA evidence was all over. The lack of DNA under Michelle's nails for example, doesn't bother me.

JMO/IMO

But, it would help, right?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I wasn't talking about Jason in this instance, Kat. I was exploring DesertDreams' random/lover's husband theory. I'm asking if the killer were fully clothed and wore gloves and a ski mask, would this unknown person's DNA be all over Michelle?


I will let DD answer you then.

:)
Kat

[jerry50]

You don't think it is okay to ask when there will be an arrest, when this case has dragged on for over 2+ years ?

This could have been a big case, had it broken at the right time..

So, you don't think we should ask why it didn't break or hasn't been solved?

Kat

Probable causes have been given by various posters on why there has been no arrrest but the question keeps being asked when none of us are employed by the WCSO. If you really want to know why not call Det Spivey and see if he will give a better answer.

[alterEgo©]

I have no problem with a scorned lover, check out Michelle and Steve Andrews of Fort Meyers.
I just don't see it fitting this case. JY was seen on video leaving his room at the hotel. A car fitting his car's description was seen at his home shortly after the murder occured, all the while he claims to be at the hotal. His clothes caught on tape that night cannot be accounted for. His silence. His lack of integrity and character by screwing his wife's best friend and then he wants us to believe that he was searching Ebay for his wife's anniversary gift. Leaving a piece of paper on his desk that he calls someone to pick up and when that person is in the home cooincidentally finds a bludgeoned corpse.Here he worries that MIchelle might have a surprise spoiled but has no interest in finding her killer. Something is wrong with this picture.
He is not on video leaving his room at the hotel. He is not even on video leaving the hotel.
His shirt was not searched for until a year and half after the murder.
His silence is his right.
The printout about the purse was on the printer for the computer.
Not talking to LE never has and never will be any indication that someone has no interest in finding a killer.

When inaccuricies are thrown in on top of high spin, one can only expect to have a picture with all kinds of things wrong with it.

[alterEgo©]

Probable causes have been given by various posters on why there has been no arrrest but the question keeps being asked when none of us are employed by the WCSO. If you really want to know why not call Det Spivey and see if he will give a better answer.
The DA's office declined to give reason, and since they are the ones who would actually seek an indictment, why would Spivey say anything or know?

[jerry50]

The DA's office declined to give reason, and since they are the ones who would actually seek an indictment, why would Spivey say anything or know?

Well the posters here keep getting asked the same questions they do not know the answers to, so if a poster wants the real reason JY has not been arrested then they should ask the person that actually knows. Unless of course the question keeps gettiing asked just to drive everyone crazy.

[alterEgo©]

Well the posters here keep getting asked the same questions they do not know the answers to, so if a poster wants the real reason JY has not been arrested then they should ask the person that actually knows. Unless of course the question keeps gettiing asked just to drive everyone crazy.
It's a legitimate question.

I know those firmly on the Jason-is-guilty side of fence have asked the same question.

Your advice to go to the source to get answers would also apply to those that continually ask why Jason did ____, why Jason didn't do _____.

[Kat4Eagles]

When we will know Jason's exact intentions regarding the custody suit?

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Next Tuesday.

[JD1974]

Burn it. They waited so long to even ask for it that if it did have blood on it he had a long time to get rid of it.

[Kat4Eagles]

Next Tuesday.


Thank you, I forgot about the holiday.

Although, I guess he could respond sooner, do you think?

I really think we will hear something from him or his attorney.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It sure is hard to get around some of the reasoning of why they waited so long to get the basic standard items accounted for and tested.

How do you think they will be able to explain some of this and the unnneccesary delays?

Kat


*they=L E

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, but you know what?

If there was anything really that strong in this case, it could not get "botched" no matter what.
The case could be salvaged and still be pursued in a criminal court.

The fact that the only things going on are in a civil court or a family court, has to tell you that they are not ready to go forward with anything else.

Question is, will they ever be?

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Whilst I agree that a lot of physical evidence should have been present and it probably was, you must bear in mind that if JY is the perp., the fact that the murder occurred in the home makes it that much harder to prove. Add to that, if they cannot physically put him in Raleigh, it is almost impossible to prove.

I can understand the DA waiting for the dies induciae to lapse prior to going forward with bringing this case before a GJ because, on the offchance he responds, they'd like to see what is revealed in the depositions, imo. That, imo, would be a good move by the DA, as JY doesn't present a risk to anyone else right now.

[Leanne Weich]

Michelle's blood in the shower would not prove it was JY who took the shower. His DNA would be in the shower, like it was everywhere else in the house, imo. I think the strongest indicator of JY's guilt is that it is unlikely that foreign DNA was found or we'd have seen search warrants directed at another person/other people. JMOOC.

[Leanne Weich]

DD, if your theory is correct, do you think the perp was there as JY's accomplice and that is why all SWs point to him. Hoping that they will find evidence of this unknown person. I personally do not think that is the case because the SWs for JY's family's homes and storage locker would not likely provide that information. I could be, and probably am, wrong though.

[5swab5]

Maybe not, but that type of clothing would have been fully splattered with blood and not easy to get rid of.

I think one "Hefty" bag would have taken care of everything.

Lawd knows, with his travels that night and the next day, he passed a blue million dumpsters.

MOO

[Leanne Weich]

DD, I honestly don't believe LE are trying to pin this on JY because they don't know who else it may have been. There is just too much that we do know from the SWs that lead to JY and I don't believe that he is so unlucky that all the evidence pointing to him are just unlucky coincidences. Just doesn't make sense to me.

[Cardinal]

I don't believe Jason wanted a divorce. I think Jason wanted his marriage, his children, his lifestyle - it's just that he also wanted his lover and his parties.

I think Michelle wanted a divorce - which put all of the above at risk. I think it's possible that rejection/abandonment issues triggered the rage, if Jason killed Michelle. I mean, he did the right thing and married her, eh? How dare she decide it was over?

[jerry50]

Actually, IMO, I think that one of the reasons JY hasn't been arrested is that someone else's dna was found but they do not know whose it is. Also, if the person were a stranger, they would not have had the need to take a shower and risk getting caught by staying there any longer. JMO.

I have mentioned before and actually this would be a "good" idea for premed killers--go to the mall or wherever and pick up a kleenex or whatever with a stranger's DNA and then drop it at the crime scene. Chances are that the DNA would not be in LE's data bank and the killer could have an "accomplice" that LE cannot identify.

[jerry50]

All that being said, I still don't understand the brutality of the crime. After all, she was carrying his child. MY had a good job so there was no evidence of overwhelming burden on JY. snipped............., but consider that this case was very much more violent. Someone hated her or what she stood for.

The autopsy report indicated that there had been an attemoted strangulation on Michelle. JY could have started out thinking that strangulation would be the easiest method of killing. However it takes longer than what JY had thought. He could have left MIchelle in the bed thinking he had killed her and while he is checking on Cassidy Michelle regains conciousness. SHe may have started screaming that he was not going to get away with this, that she was going to call the police and have him arrested and he would never see his children again.

This scenario could easily explain his rage especially since Michelle didn't die the way he wanted her to. He grabbed whatever heavy object was at hand and beat the **** out of her. Once he started I don't think he could stop himself. He was very angry at her for spoiling his plans.

[Cardinal]

The custody suit was filed Dec 17. According to my calendar, 30 days from Dec 17 is Jan 16 - Friday. How quickly do you think we'll know if a response were filed?

[JHP]

Is it public record in NC when a response is filed? Or will we have to wait for February 4, the court date? Does anyone know?
I suspect Jasons mother and sister have hired an attorney to try to negotiate some sort of visitation schedule with the Fishers. Hoping Linda and Meredith will drop the lawsuit.
Time will tell, and luckily we don't have to wait long.

JMO

[alterEgo©]

The custody suit was filed Dec 17. According to my calendar, 30 days from Dec 17 is Jan 16 - Friday. How quickly do you think we'll know if a response were filed?What about court holidays...like Christmas, New Years and MLK Day? Doesn't that push the 30 days out to late next week?

[alterEgo©]

Yes, JHP, the pleadings in the custody case are public record.

[Kat4Eagles]

So, we should know something in the next few weeks for sure.

I wonder if the Judge will ask the Fishers when they started to suspect that Jason had something to do with the murder of Michelle, and what their answer will be.
I wonder, if then, they will be asked why they waited so long to file such action...


Kat

[5swab5]

Kat: I am responding to your post because of the ugliness which has been posted over and over wherein JY has been reputed to have gone "plumb to his knees" upon hearing the news of MY's death. Some posters here think this is way over the top drama, but I promise you I did the same thing when I found out my dear daddy had been killed. I indeed fell plumb to my knees and then to the floor and eventually someone picked me up until I could regain my senses. I am just saying that given my tragic experience, JY reacted in a normal way to a tragic death of a loved one. As an aside, I am not saying JY killed MY, I just think, in my heart that he knows why it happened. JMO.


The "plumb to his knees", would have been a lot more believable, IF Jason had returned Linda's out-of-the-ordinary phone calls on that fateful day.

Nope, IMO, he wanted to be in his mommy's front yard when he pulled that stunt. Who better for a witness? He has been fooling Pat his entire life.

MOO

[Tia]

The "plumb to his knees", would have been a lot more believable, IF Jason had returned Linda's out-of-the-ordinary phone calls on that fateful day.

Nope, IMO, he wanted to be in his mommy's front yard when he pulled that stunt. Who better for a witness? He has been fooling Pat his entire life.

MOO

You have to wonder why he ignored Linda's calls, but made so many to Pat, eventully winding up at her home.

IMO, Pat knew exactly what happened to Michelle and together they devised a "plan".

JMO!!!!

[Tia]

How many of you women out there would protect someone whom you felt perpetrated such a heinous crime. I have 3 sons and yeah, sometimes I don't like their choices in girlfriends or even wives. Do you really think anyone sane would cover for someone who did something like this to her unborn grandchild? I cant even conceive of it. Devising a plan together... NEVER under these circumstances. JMO.


How many men would murder their own pregnant wives?

I can't imagine it, just like you can't, but we have no idea what Pat is capable of.

Given the amount of calls, something pretty important was being discussed.

JMO

[5swab5]

How many of you women out there would protect someone whom you felt perpetrated such a heinous crime. I have 3 sons and yeah, sometimes I don't like their choices in girlfriends or even wives. Do you really think anyone sane would cover for someone who did something like this to her unborn grandchild? I cant even conceive of it. Devising a plan together... NEVER under these circumstances. JMO.

Jackie Peterson comes to mind instantly.

MOO

[Tia]

Cindy Anthony also comes to mind.

JMO

[Jester]

So, we should know something in the next few weeks for sure.

I wonder if the Judge will ask the Fishers when they started to suspect that Jason had something to do with the murder of Michelle, and what their answer will be.
I wonder, if then, they will be asked why they waited so long to file such action...


Kat

Are you hoping that the Judge will try to find fault with the Fishers for filing the custody application at this time?

Would a reasonable answer from the Fishers be that they hoped and anticipated Jason would encourage a strong relationship with Michelle's family, but it is now abundantly clear that Jason, to Cassidy's detriment, intends to deprive Cassidy of all normal contact with her extended family?

[Tia]

Maybe this was a last resort for the Fisher's? They hoped that Jason would be arrested by now, then they would fight for custody or visitation.

I doubt the Judge will ask Linda why she waited, but I would love to hear the questions she asks Jason!

[tiny paw-prints]

Please note that the highlighted areas were not highlighted by the author in her original post.

Thanks, Achristie

I did wonder about that particular "highlight" simply because it didn't appear to "look like" you! Isn't it interesting how some people take the liberty of "re-dressing" us? I suppose its a compliment...

Thanks for the clarification, aggie! :thumbup:

[tiny paw-prints]

Are you hoping that the Judge will try to find fault with the Fishers for filing the custody application at this time?

Would a reasonable answer from the Fishers be that they hoped and anticipated Jason would encourage a strong relationship with Michelle's family, but it is now abundantly clear that Jason, to Cassidy's detriment, intends to deprive Cassidy of all normal contact with her extended family?

I wonder if that was Jason's intention before Michelle was murdered. I'm still of the opinion that Jason's mother has control issues, before and after Michelle's murder. Perhaps his mother's control issues has a direct influence upon Jason and his personality/character assassination?

[5swab5]

I wonder if that was Jason's intention before Michelle was murdered. I'm still of the opinion that Jason's mother has control issues, before and after Michelle's murder. Perhaps his mother's control issues has a direct influence upon Jason and his personality/character assassination?

I imagine Jason is a pretty desperate man right about now.

He has NOTHING and ZERO prospects.

Considering how he dealt with Michelle, I'm glad I don't live in Brevard. I can see him going "postal".

MOO

[achristie]

I did wonder about that particular "highlight" simply because it didn't appear to "look like" you! Isn't it interesting how some people take the liberty of "re-dressing" us? I suppose its a compliment...

Thanks for the clarification, aggie! :thumbup:

Good to see you , Tiny. Truth be known, I'm not a tad computer savvy. Have no clue how to even highlight! :laugh:

[achristie]

Are you hoping that the Judge will try to find fault with the Fishers for filing the custody application at this time?

Would a reasonable answer from the Fishers be that they hoped and anticipated Jason would encourage a strong relationship with Michelle's family, but it is now abundantly clear that Jason, to Cassidy's detriment, intends to deprive Cassidy of all normal contact with her extended family?

My sense is LF never dreamed things would play out as they have. She had no idea she would be cut off from her granddaughter so abruptly. Very sad.

MOO Aggie

[kingbuff]

Maybe this was a last resort for the Fisher's? They hoped that Jason would be arrested by now, then they would fight for custody or visitation.

I doubt the Judge will ask Linda why she waited, but I would love to hear the questions she asks Jason!

You've got that right! First question: Why did you not want your daughter to be around the Fishers?

[5swab5]

You've got that right! First question: Why did you not want your daughter to be around the Fishers?

Jason's Answer:

Because I heard Cassidy in the background of the 911 call saying "Daddy Did It". I was hoping that the Fishers had not heard the same thing, but I certainly couldn't chance them hearing it over and over from her in person.


MOO

[Cardinal]

What about court holidays...like Christmas, New Years and MLK Day? Doesn't that push the 30 days out to late next week?

I think they are only a factor, like weekends, when the due date falls on one of them. I don't believe they matter otherwise.

I think the response is due by 5 pm Friday.

[daddydidit]

You've got that right! First question: Why did you not want your daughter to be around the Fishers?

I am sure Jason has lots of reasons for not wanting his daughter to be around her mother's family.

Like, maybe she will remember what happened that night.
You know, "daddy did it".


jmo

[Cardinal]

I saw this link on another board:

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/data/WAKE/civil/FEBRUARY.2.2009/D._DEBRA_S__SASSER.9B.9_00.TRIALS.txt

Apparently Mr. Smith is not on record as Jason's counsel for the custody hearing. Interesting.

[Kat4Eagles]

Are you hoping that the Judge will try to find fault with the Fishers for filing the custody application at this time?

Would a reasonable answer from the Fishers be that they hoped and anticipated Jason would encourage a strong relationship with Michelle's family, but it is now abundantly clear that Jason, to Cassidy's detriment, intends to deprive Cassidy of all normal contact with her extended family?


I am hoping that the Judge questions their timing and why they waited so long to act.

2006----------------------2009 !!!!!

If Jason's relationship with LF wasn't all that before the murder, why would she think it would improve with the death of her daughter.?

And, if she felt Jason was responsible and let him know, why would he encourage any visits between her and C?

So, they could tell her bad things about her Daddy?
:no:

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Card, that is interesting. I have felt for a while now that JY is not represented by counsel. Of course though, he still has time to engage the services of someone but, whether he will or not, is another story.

I honestly will not be surprised if he is a no show. If that is the case, he's more of a fool than I've given him credit for. One only has to read Judge Sasser's decisions with regard to the Cooper case to know that she is not averse to grandparents having custody if she feels it might be warranted. I do believe she will believe it is warranted in Cassidy's case if Jason does nothing and I don't believe any logical thinking person could disagree with that in good faith. Heck, even if one has no money, a loving parent would never just ignore a custody suit if they really love their child. JMOOC.

[Barbara2]

I am hoping that the Judge questions their timing and why they waited so long to act.

2006----------------------2009 !!!!!

If Jason's relationship with LF wasn't all that before the murder, why would she think it would improve with the death of her daughter.?

And, if she felt Jason was responsible and let him know, why would he encourage any visits between her and C?

So, they could tell her bad things about her Daddy?


Kat

I think that should have been the least of his worries. From the photograph that he advertised on the internet, it doesn't look like Cassidy needs any help being fearful of her father. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

You've got that right! First question: Why did you not want your daughter to be around the Fishers?


Hi KB......

:)

Should be interesting.

Every pic I see of C, she looks so much like Jason and his family!!

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

Kat, other than June's allegation that Linda blamed Jason, we have heard nothing from anyone else about this, unless I missed it. In all the interviews Linda has done, she's never once even suggested JY is guilty. Sure, in the WDs she did but that is a different kettle of fish.

What gives you the impression Linda would try to influence Cassidy, one way or the other? I would think that is purely speculation on your part.

[achristie]

I am hoping that the Judge questions their timing and why they waited so long to act.

2006----------------------2009 !!!!!

If Jason's relationship with LF wasn't all that before the murder, why would she think it would improve with the death of her daughter.?

And, if she felt Jason was responsible and let him know, why would he encourage any visits between her and C?

So, they could tell her bad things about her Daddy?
:no:

Kat

I think your inside info about LF's and JY's relationship wasn't "all that" is incorrect. Just sayin' and JMO Aggie ;)

[Kat4Eagles]

I saw this link on another board:

http://www1.aoc.state.nc.us/www/data/WAKE/civil/FEBRUARY.2.2009/D._DEBRA_S__SASSER.9B.9_00.TRIALS.txt

Apparently Mr. Smith is not on record as Jason's counsel for the custody hearing. Interesting.


Thank you, Card...

You are always on top of stuff!!

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Card, that is interesting. I have felt for a while now that JY is not represented by counsel. Of course though, he still has time to engage the services of someone but, whether he will or not, is another story.

I honestly will not be surprised if he is a no show.

<snipped per CW's instructions>



Don't count him yet, Leanne!!
There is still time for him to do the right thing.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think that should have been the least of his worries. From the photograph that he advertised on the internet, it doesn't look like Cassidy needs any help being fearful of her father. JMO


C did not look at all scared to me, only tired .

I guess it is all in what you want to see.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Hi KB......

:)

Should be interesting.

Every pic I see of C, she looks so much like Jason and his family!!

Kat

You must not have seen her most recent picture. She looks just like Michelle (God love her!). JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat, other than June's allegation that Linda blamed Jason, we have heard nothing from anyone else about this, unless I missed it. In all the interviews Linda has done, she's never once even suggested JY is guilty. Sure, in the WDs she did but that is a different kettle of fish.

What gives you the impression Linda would try to influence Cassidy, one way or the other? I would think that is purely speculation on your part.


All posts here are purely speculation on our parts, nothing no one has posted has been anything but.

Kat

[Barbara2]

<snipped>
I guess it is all in what you want to see.

Kat

Yes, I have definitely seen that in action. JMO

[Kat4Eagles]

You must not have seen her most recent picture. She looks just like Michelle (God love her!). JMO


There is a new pic of her on a myspace com, where she looks more and more like Jason every day.

Not sure what you are looking at !!

C has light hair and coloring, Michelle had dark hair and eyes.

C looks exactly like Jason!

Kat

[Cardinal]

Card, that is interesting. I have felt for a while now that JY is not represented by counsel. Of course though, he still has time to engage the services of someone but, whether he will or not, is another story.

I honestly will not be surprised if he is a no show. If that is the case, he's more of a fool than I've given him credit for. One only has to read Judge Sasser's decisions with regard to the Cooper case to know that she is not averse to grandparents having custody if she feels it might be warranted. I do believe she will believe it is warranted in Cassidy's case if Jason does nothing and I don't believe any logical thinking person could disagree with that in good faith. Heck, even if one has no money, a loving parent would never just ignore a custody suit if they really love their child. JMOOC.

I don't know what to think about what Jason may/may not do at this point, Leanne. But I do know that if he goes into that courtroom without counsel........well, it won't be good, IMO.

[enigma™]

Card, that is interesting. I have felt for a while now that JY is not represented by counsel. Of course though, he still has time to engage the services of someone but, whether he will or not, is another story.

I honestly will not be surprised if he is a no show. If that is the case, he's more of a fool than I've given him credit for. One only has to read Judge Sasser's decisions with regard to the Cooper case to know that she is not averse to grandparents having custody if she feels it might be warranted. I do believe she will believe it is warranted in Cassidy's case if Jason does nothing and I don't believe any logical thinking person could disagree with that in good faith. Heck, even if one has no money, a loving parent would never just ignore a custody suit if they really love their child. JMOOC.

(bolding mine to emphasize) - and as we all know, a man who deigns to represent himself, has a fool for a client. Who said that?

MUO

[Barbara2]

There is a new pic of her on a myspace com, where she looks more and more like Jason every day.

Not sure what you are looking at !!

C has light hair and coloring, Michelle had dark hair and eyes.

C looks exactly like Jason!

Kat


Riiiiiiiight.

[Kat4Eagles]

Why would Linda and Meredith file for custody if they had skeletons in their closets?
<snipped> .


Can you explain why they waited so long, then?

Thanxx..

Kat

[Cardinal]

FWIW, IMVHO, Cassidy is a beautiful child who looks exactly like herself. What more could anyone want?

[Cardinal]

Can you explain why they waited so long, then?

Thanxx..

Kat

Kat, maybe the judge will ask that question, and you'll get your answer. If the judge doesn't ask that question, it's because it isn't relevant.

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat, maybe the judge will ask that question, and you'll get your answer. If the judge doesn't ask that question, it's because it isn't relevant.


I think it would be very important, especially since it was suggested in the beginning that the child may have been a witness to a murder.

The length of time that has passed with C being settled, secure and happy plays a big isssue in someone wanting to disrupt her life,again, for whatever reasons.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

FWIW, IMVHO, Cassidy is a beautiful child who looks exactly like herself. What more could anyone want?


C is a little doll, she looks adorable....and well taken care of.

Kat

[Cardinal]

C is a little doll, she looks adorable....and well taken care of.

Kat

Yes, she is adorable, and appears to well cared for. I wish Michelle could see her (although I think, somehow, she does), and I wish she had her mother to guide her in the years ahead.

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, she is adorable, and appears to well cared for. I wish Michelle could see her (although I think, somehow, she does), and I wish she had her mother to guide her in the years ahead.


So do I...:(
Unfortunately, someone took that chance away.

I wonder if there will be a deposition from the day care center on her
well being/ adjustment/ accomplishments, etc.

Kat

[achristie]

Riiiiiiiight.

:thumbsup: I totally agree, Barbra. That sweet child looks so much like her mother - the full smile and the "knowing" brown eyes. Adorable.

MOO Aggie

[achristie]

There is a new pic of her on a myspace com, where she looks more and more like Jason every day.

Not sure what you are looking at !!

C has light hair and coloring, Michelle had dark hair and eyes.

C looks exactly like Jason!

Kat

Look again. She looks exactly like her mother.

MOO Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

So do I...:(
Unfortunately, someone took that chance away.

I wonder if there will be a deposition from the day care center on her
well being/ adjustment/ accomplishments, etc.

Kat

I'm sure there will be. However, those are not the only important things. I'd like to see an independent psychological evaluation done. IMO it is vitally important that a young child be brought up with full knowledge of a deceased parent - if that isn't happening, it should be.

[achristie]

Kat, maybe the judge will ask that question, and you'll get your answer. If the judge doesn't ask that question, it's because it isn't relevant.


Exactly. Far from relevant, IMO. Not even in the scope of questioning.

Moo Aggie

[Leanne Weich]

:thumbsup: I totally agree, Barbra. That sweet child looks so much like her mother - the full smile and the "knowing" brown eyes. Adorable.

MOO Aggie

ITA. I was quite startled last night when an ad came on tv for Johnson's baby bedtime and bathtime products. The mother is, imo, Michelle's double. I'm going to watch out for it again to make sure I wasn't seeing things although I don't think so.

[achristie]

I think it would be very important, especially since it was suggested in the beginning that the child may have been a witness to a murder.

The length of time that has passed with C being settled, secure and happy plays a big isssue in someone wanting to disrupt her life,again, for whatever reasons.

Kat

I disagree.

MOO Aggie

[Cardinal]

So do I...:(
Unfortunately, someone took that chance away.

I wonder if there will be a deposition from the day care center on her
well being/ adjustment/ accomplishments, etc.

Kat

That should be in Jason's response, if he responds.

[achristie]

Yes, she is adorable, and appears to well cared for. I wish Michelle could see her (although I think, somehow, she does), and I wish she had her mother to guide her in the years ahead.

She is beyond precious, no doubt. I hope that MY does see her, still knows about her, and can still guide her. My faith supports this and I believe it is so. My only wish is that she could have done this while on this earth. Not in a cerebral and spiritual way, but in the flesh.

MOO Aggie

[lament79]

I wish this case would come to a close.

I knew of Jason because he was (is?) friend's with my older brother and all those years he seemed like a nice guy. But the Jason now is someone I don't think I'd want to know. It hurts me to say that but that's how I feel. My eyes can't stay blind forever. There's so much against him that it can't all be false. And I don't understand why he's never gone public with a statement but instead went on vacations when he should've been out trying to find his wife's killer!

Like I said I just wish this case would come to some kind of outcome sooner than later. For both families sakes.

[Leanne Weich]

Great post lament. I so admire people who know Jason who will analyse what has come out in a logical manner. However, there are those who attempt to make up the most illogical excuses and unfounded lies about other people in an attempt to make Jason seem the good guy.

A good guy would have been enquiring of LE as to progress and, instead of taking mommy on vacations would have had a headstone erected on his wife and unborn son's grave or would have offered a reward for the arrest or information leading to the arrest of the perp.

[Cardinal]

I wish this case would come to a close.

I knew of Jason because he was (is?) friend's with my older brother and all those years he seemed like a nice guy. But the Jason now is someone I don't think I'd want to know. It hurts me to say that but that's how I feel. My eyes can't stay blind forever. There's so much against him that it can't all be false. And I don't understand why he's never gone public with a statement but instead went on vacations when he should've been out trying to find his wife's killer!

Like I said I just wish this case would come to some kind of outcome sooner than later. For both families sakes.

We all wish that, I think. I don't have a personal connection to this case, and I can't imagine what it's like for those who do.

Welcome to the board. I hope you'll be around when all involved see a resolution, and justice for Michelle and Rylan.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

[lament79]

We all wish that, I think. I don't have a personal connection to this case, and I can't imagine what it's like for those who do.

Welcome to the board. I hope you'll be around when all involved see a resolution, and justice for Michelle and Rylan.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

Thanks and I wish so as well.

[annalyzer]

There is a new pic of her on a myspace com, where she looks more and more like Jason every day.

Not sure what you are looking at !!

C has light hair and coloring, Michelle had dark hair and eyes.

C looks exactly like Jason!

Kat

Whose Myspace? Can you send me the link?

[jerry50]

So do I...:(
Unfortunately, someone took that chance away.

I wonder if there will be a deposition from the day care center on her
well being/ adjustment/ accomplishments, etc.

Kat

I think before any depositions on Cassidy I think that JY will have to answer some tough questions.

Why did you not respond to the WDS?
Why do you seem fine with being declared the slayer of your pregnant wife?
What has been your work history since Nov 3, 2006 and what is your current employment?
Are you able to keep a consistant income to support your daughter?
Why have you not found a permanent place for you and your daughter to live to give her stability in her life?
Where were you on the night of Nov 2?
Have you ever called the WCSO to inquire about the progress of the investigation into the murder of your wife? Are you not interested in seeing the killer of the little girl's (who is the subject of this custody hearing) Mother?
What have you done since the day this child lost her Mother about keeping her Mother's memory alive? Has she been able to keep a relationship with her Mother's family?
Why did you not file for the $1 million life insurance policy tht you had on your wife?

Jason is going to have to show that he is mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.

[caffeinated]

Whose Myspace? Can you send me the link?

please post a link for all of us...tia

[Jester]

I am hoping that the Judge questions their timing and why they waited so long to act.

2006----------------------2009 !!!!!

If Jason's relationship with LF wasn't all that before the murder, why would she think it would improve with the death of her daughter.?

And, if she felt Jason was responsible and let him know, why would he encourage any visits between her and C?

So, they could tell her bad things about her Daddy?
:no:

Kat

You are discussing the relationship between Jason and Linda, which is irrelevant to the custody application. The issue is whether Cassidy should have a relationship with her mother's extended family. No one should deny Cassidy that right, least of all her mother's slayer.

[Tia]

I think before any depositions on Cassidy I think that JY will have to answer some tough questions.

Why did you not respond to the WDS?
Why do you seem fine with being declared the slayer of your pregnant wife?
What has been your work history since Nov 3, 2006 and what is your current employment?
Are you able to keep a consistant income to support your daughter?
Why have you not found a permanent place for you and your daughter to live to give her stability in her life?
Where were you on the night of Nov 2?
Have you ever called the WCSO to inquire about the progress of the investigation into the murder of your wife? Are you not interested in seeing the killer of the little girl's (who is the subject of this custody hearing) Mother?
What have you done since the day this child lost her Mother about keeping her Mother's memory alive? Has she been able to keep a relationship with her Mother's family?
Why did you not file for the $1 million life insurance policy tht you had on your wife?

Jason is going to have to show that he is mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.


These are the questions that will be most important. Jason is the defendant in the custody suit and must provide answers if he has any hope of keeping his daughter.

The daily spamming of the board with the same question of "why did the Fisher's wait" has been discussed over and over.

LE may have been guiding her, her attorney may have been guiding her.

We just don't know.

I doubt he will show up and I really doubt that he has any reason to keep the Fisher's away from his daughter other than spite because Linda didn't just let it "blow over" like he hoped.

[lament79]

Anybody know when this custody case will take place?

[Tia]

Anybody know when this custody case will take place?

February 4.
http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4172220/

[alterEgo©]

That should be in Jason's response, if he responds.I will be surprised if he does.

[alterEgo©]

snip for bandwith

Jason is going to have to show that he is mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.More like Linda and Meredith will have to prove he is not mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.

[Kat4Eagles]

Whose Myspace? Can you send me the link?

Yep, I will send the link through PM's.......
When you get to the pic, click on it to enlarge it .

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

More like Linda and Meredith will have to prove he is not mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.


There are several other things that should be taken into consideration too.

What if the Judge were to ask C where she wanted to live and whom she wanted to live with?

I don't think a child can suggest to the court where they want to live until they are at least 12 years old though, not sure.

Also, the Fishers background does come into play.....does L F plan to move to NC and live in her home with Michelle's sister?

Or,does she want to take C back to NY?

How would they be able to offer C anything more or better than what she has now?

What damage woud it do to the child to be removed?

I still think they waited too long.

:no:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I think before any depositions on Cassidy I think that JY will have to answer some tough questions.

Why did you not respond to the WDS?
Why do you seem fine with being declared the slayer of your pregnant wife?
What has been your work history since Nov 3, 2006 and what is your current employment?
Are you able to keep a consistant income to support your daughter?
Why have you not found a permanent place for you and your daughter to live to give her stability in her life?
Where were you on the night of Nov 2?
Have you ever called the WCSO to inquire about the progress of the investigation into the murder of your wife? Are you not interested in seeing the killer of the little girl's (who is the subject of this custody hearing) Mother?
What have you done since the day this child lost her Mother about keeping her Mother's memory alive? Has she been able to keep a relationship with her Mother's family?
Why did you not file for the $1 million life insurance policy tht you had on your wife?

Jason is going to have to show that he is mentally, physically and financially capable of raising Cassidy.



These are all good questions, and I hope Jason has the answers.

I am wondering how the court found out, that Jason may not have legal rep for this hearing.

He or someone on his behalf must have responded to such, right?

Kat

[Tia]

I will be surprised if he does.

I think most of will be surprised if he shows up.
In NC, would Linda win by default if he is a no show?

[Jester]

There are several other things that should be taken into consideration too.

What if the Judge were to ask C where she wanted to live and whom she wanted to live with?

I don't think a child can suggest to the court where they want to live until they are at least 12 years old though, not sure.

Also, the Fishers background does come into play.....does L F plan to move to NC and live in her home with Michelle's sister?

Or,does she want to take C back to NY?

How would they be able to offer C anything more or better than what she has now?

What damage woud it do to the child to be removed?

I still think they waited too long.

:no:
Kat

You have repeated for months that the custody application is too late, the investigation takes too long. I got a newsflash for you: real life is not like TV, and these real life issues take longer than an hour to solve.

What if a Judge asked a four year old where she wanted to live? Are you serious? That doesn't happen in real life either.

[Jester]

Yep, I will send the link through PM's.......
When you get to the pic, click on it to enlarge it .

Kat

Since you have made several comments about Cassidy's picture and which parent you think she resembles (not sure how that relates to this case but whatever), could you please provide the link so we all know what you're talking about.

TIA

ETA: I noticed that most of your comments end with a wagging finger. Is there a reason for that?

[Jester]

These are all good questions, and I hope Jason has the answers.

I am wondering how the court found out, that Jason may not have legal rep for this hearing.

He or someone on his behalf must have responded to such, right?

Kat

Not right. He is scheduled to appear in court. No law firm has filed anything on his behalf so his name, rather than that of a law firm, stands.

[Kat4Eagles]

You have repeated for months that the custody application is too late, the investigation takes too long. I got a newsflash for you: real life is not like TV, and these real life issues take longer than an hour to solve.

What if a Judge asked a four year old where she wanted to live? Are you serious? That doesn't happen in real life either.


I think the child's wishes should be part of the decision after losing her Mom the way she did, but, yes, 4 years old, is way too young to be able to decide, and I included that in my prior post.

Kat

[Jester]

I think the child's wishes should be part of the decision after losing her Mom the way she did, but, yes, 4 years old, is way too young to be able to decide, and I included that in my prior post.

Kat

I don't think the wishes of a four year old child should be part of any custody decision, regardless of the circumstances. The courts agree with me.

[Kat4Eagles]

Not right. He is scheduled to appear in court. No law firm has filed anything on his behalf so his name, rather than that of a law firm, stands.


Next to Jason's name, there are the words Pro Se.

Pro Se means a person repping himself, or without legal rep.

So, who entered that?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think the wishes of a four year old child should be part of any custody decision, regardless of the circumstances. The courts agree with me.


Probably correct, but losing their Mom and then being torn from their Dad and his family, could be very traumatic.

What was that girl's name, Kimberly Mays?
I think it was, she was really messed up from being moved around.

Kat

[Jester]

Next to Jason's name, there are the words Pro Se.

Pro Se means a person repping himself, or without legal rep.

So, who entered that?

Kat

That information is entered because Jason has a hearing scheduled. It's part of the court records and schedules. If a law firm was representing him, that information would also be included. At this time, no law firm has filed anything on Jason's behalf, so none is included in the court schedule.

Obviously his name is included in the schedule because the custody of his daughter is contested, and he is expected in court to respond.

[Jester]

Probably correct, but losing their Mom and then being torn from their Dad and his family, could be very traumatic.

What was that girl's name, Kimberly May?
I think it was, she was really messed up from being moved around.

Kat

We need to remember that Cassidy was torn away from her mom, her aunt, and her maternal grandmother. She was uprooted from her home, removed from familiar surroundings and friends, and then bounced between the homes of her father's relatives. It would be difficult to argue that she has experienced a stable, structured home life since her mother's murder. Rather, it is evident that her father has done little to provide a stable home for Cassidy and himself. If Michelle's family is able to provide a stable, structured home life, such that Cassidy will continue to enjoy relationships with her father's family, then she will no longer be messed up by the nomadic lifestyle she has endured in the past two years with her father.

[Kat4Eagles]

That information is entered because Jason has a hearing scheduled. It's part of the court records and schedules. If a law firm was representing him, that information would also be included. At this time, no law firm has filed anything on Jason's behalf, so none is included in the court schedule.

Obviously his name is included in the schedule because the custody of his daughter is contested, and he is expected in court to respond.


Okay, thank you, but it is possible that Jason is still weighing things out before he decides what to do.

And, he has until 2/4..

My money says he will show up, and with an attorney.


Kat

[Tia]

Since you have made several comments about Cassidy's picture and which parent you think she resembles (not sure how that relates to this case but whatever), could you please provide the link so we all know what you're talking about.

TIA

ETA: I noticed that most of your comments end with a wagging finger. Is there a reason for that?

I'll send it to you.

[Jester]

Okay, thank you, but it is possible that Jason is still weighing things out before he decides what to do.

And, he has until 2/4..

My money says he will show up, and with an attorney.


Kat

Of course. Jason could have a lawyer that will represent him at the hearing. It's possible they haven't completed the paperwork at this time. He can appear and represent himself if he chooses.

[Kat4Eagles]

We need to remember that Cassidy was torn away from her mom, her aunt, and her maternal grandmother. She was uprooted from her home, removed from familiar surroundings and friends, and then bounced between the homes of her father's relatives. It would be difficult to argue that she has experienced a stable, structured home life since her mother's murder. Rather, it is evident that her father has done little to provide a stable home for Cassidy and himself. If Michelle's family is able to provide a stable, structured home life, such that Cassidy will continue to enjoy relationships with her father's family, then she will no longer be messed up by the nomadic lifestyle she has endured in the past two years with her father.


That remains to be seen.

We have no idea, if what the Fishers have to offer, is anything better than what C has now.

I think, if anything had been all that wrong with Jason and his family since the murder of Michelle, someone would have intervened sooner.

Which brings me back to the question, why didn't they?

You can't sit back for 2+ years and be content with this situation, and then all of a sudden come forward and demand custody..

Nope.

Kat

[Tia]

We need to remember that Cassidy was torn away from her mom, her aunt, and her maternal grandmother. She was uprooted from her home, removed from familiar surroundings and friends, and then bounced between the homes of her father's relatives. It would be difficult to argue that she has experienced a stable, structured home life since her mother's murder. Rather, it is evident that her father has done little to provide a stable home for Cassidy and himself. If Michelle's family is able to provide a stable, structured home life, such that Cassidy will continue to enjoy relationships with her father's family, then she will no longer be messed up by the nomadic lifestyle she has endured in the past two years with her father.

There is all that, and the most important thing of all.

JASON YOUNG HAS BEEN NAMED THE SLAYER OF MICHELLE YOUNG!

He has been accused of being a murderer! I can't imagine the kind of person who would think that Cassidy living with Jason is a "good thing"!!

[Jester]

I'll send it to you.

Thank you. She definitely does not have her father's chin, thankfully.

[Kat4Eagles]

Thank you. She definitely does not have her father's chin, thankfully.


Not nice.
:no:

Kat

[Tia]

Thank you. She definitely does not have her father's chin, thankfully.

This is from another site, Michelle's Christmas tree.

http://michellefisheryoung.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/michelles-sayville-christmas-tree/

[Jester]

That remains to be seen.

We have no idea, if what the Fishers have to offer, is anything better than what C has now.

I think, if anything had been all that wrong with Jason and his family since the murder of Michelle, someone would have intervened sooner.

Which brings me back to the question, why didn't they?

You can't sit back for 2+ years and be content with this situation, and then all of a sudden come forward and demand custody..

Nope.

Kat

Yes, we know that you think the custody application should have been made sooner and that the investigation has taken too long. I think you're going to have to debate those complaints elsewhere, as everyone is rather tired of responding to them.

As for whether Cassidy would have a stable home life with, for example, Meredith, I think we can answer with a resounding yes. Meredith has a home where she has lived since Cassidy lived with her mother. She is financially independent, mature, caring, educated, and has strong family support. It is not true that we don't know what Michelle's extended family has to offer.

[Kat4Eagles]

As has been stated numerous times, this delay can be for various reasons. First of all, I am sure they would have loved to have done it sooner, but didn't on the advice of their lawyer (can't fault them for taking the advice of a lawyer can you -- afford them the same consideration you afford Jason for remaining silent on his lawyer's advice). Secondly, it is very difficult to get custody away from a biological parent and they needed to have as much as they could to accomplish this. I believe they were waiting on the "slayer" judgement to make it as strong as possible.

And who knows, we still don't even know if it is strong enough (but I surely hope it is). I believe they felt they had one chance at this and best not do it until you can feel fairly confident you can win. If they did it too soon, they not only risked losing...but also losing any chance at having a continued relationship with Cassidy.



I see, so they just went to sleep everynite knowing their granddaughter/niece could be living with a murderer.

Got it.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Jester]

There is all that, and the most important thing of all.

JASON YOUNG HAS BEEN NAMED THE SLAYER OF MICHELLE YOUNG!

He has been accused of being a murderer! I can't imagine the kind of person who would think that Cassidy living with Jason is a "good thing"!!

There is little doubt that Jason's frame of mind cannot be all that healthy, particularly with the slayer label hanging over his head. He has numerous personal problems including unemployment, financial strain, inability to manage independent living, alleged sexual deviance, and a tendency to enjoy breaking up marriages. That's hardly an ideal life for a young girl.

[Jester]

Not nice.
:no:

Kat

There's that wagging finger again.

Are you suggesting that Jason's pointy chin would be an attractive feature on a girl? We definitely have different tastes when it comes to what is attractive.

[Kat4Eagles]

Yes, we know that you think the custody application should have been made sooner and that the investigation has taken too long. I think you're going to have to debate those complaints elsewhere, as everyone is rather tired of responding to them.

As for whether Cassidy would have a stable home life with, for example, Meredith, I think we can answer with a resounding yes. Meredith has a home where she has lived since Cassidy lived with her mother. She is financially independent, mature, caring, educated, and has strong family support. It is not true that we don't know what Michelle's extended family has to offer.


All of this remains to be seen.

Maybe we should wait it out and see what the courts decide, since what we think is not going to come into play.

Not for a second.

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

Okay, thank you, but it is possible that Jason is still weighing things out before he decides what to do.

And, he has until 2/4..

My money says he will show up, and with an attorney.


Kat

"Before he decides what to do"?

What decision would a "loving father" need to make? He would fight. Take the stand, give a deposition, forget about pleading the fifth, take a psych eval., whatever is needed. However, that is not what is going to happen. I'll bet that he tries to wheel and deal his way out of a deposition and a psych exam. When push comes to shove, he is going to protect his own hide.

[Kat4Eagles]

There's that wagging finger again.

Are you suggesting that Jason's pointy chin would be an attractive feature on a girl? We definitely have different tastes when it comes to what is attractive.


I think where you are going is not a good idea.

Kat

[Jester]

This is from another site, Michelle's Christmas tree.

http://michellefisheryoung.wordpress.com/2009/01/12/michelles-sayville-christmas-tree/

Thank you. I don't see a pointy chin; Jason's most prominent feature, thankfully.

[Kat4Eagles]

There is little doubt that Jason's frame of mind cannot be all that healthy, particularly with the slayer label hanging over his head. He has numerous personal problems including unemployment, financial strain, inability to manage independent living, alleged sexual deviance, and a tendency to enjoy breaking up marriages. That's hardly an ideal life for a young girl.


It will still be a hard decision....

Kat

[BSNBREVARDNC]

There is little doubt that Jason's frame of mind cannot be all that healthy, particularly with the slayer label hanging over his head. He has numerous personal problems including unemployment, financial strain, inability to manage independent living, alleged sexual deviance, and a tendency to enjoy breaking up marriages. That's hardly an ideal life for a young girl.

I doubt that the results of a psych exam would be made public even if Jay took one. However, I bet that there are some serious mother - son issues there. With all the things that he has said and done to her (in public) a psychiatrist could have a field day. IMO naturally.

[Kat4Eagles]

"Before he decides what to do"?

What decision would a "loving father" need to make? He would fight. Take the stand, give a deposition, forget about pleading the fifth, take a psych eval., whatever is needed. However, that is not what is going to happen. I'll bet that he tries to wheel and deal his way out of a deposition and a psych exam. When push comes to shove, he is going to protect his own hide.


We can still give him a chance to do all that, right?

Like, I said, if he doesn't , I will be very disappointed.

Kat

[Jester]

I see, so they just went to sleep everynite knowing their granddaughter/niece could be living with a murderer.

Got it.
:rolleyes:

Kat

Michelle's extended family may have suspected that Jason was a murderer, but it was only recently that their suspicions were confirmed. They could not be sure about Jason's involvement in Michelle's murder until after the courts labeled Jason a slayer. Since learning that fact, Michelle's family has taken action. I'm surprised that you wanted them to take action based on a hunch rather than facts.

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat...my hunch is that these two women have had a very hard time sleeping since Nov 2006...

Don't be condescending and pretend that you know their emotions or what they have done in this time. You don't.


Nor does anyone else.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I doubt that the results of a psych exam would be made public even if Jay took one. However, I bet that there are some serious mother - son issues there. With all the things that he has said and done to her (in public) a psychiatrist could have a field day. IMO naturally.

Link?

Kat

[Jester]

All of this remains to be seen.

Maybe we should wait it out and see what the courts decide, since what we think is not going to come into play.

Not for a second.

Kat

Yes, you are correct. What we think is not going to come into play. However, that does not influence my choice to comment on the circumstances surrounding the gruesome murder of a pregnant wife and mother.

[Jester]

It will still be a hard decision....

Kat

I don't think so. Given the choices of a healthy, stable, secure home life, or a nomadic, unstable, financially strained, and allegedly morally corrupt lifestyle, the decision is a no brainer.

[5swab5]

Okay, thank you, but it is possible that Jason is still weighing things out before he decides what to do.

And, he has until 2/4..

My money says he will show up, and with an attorney.


Kat

It is my understanding that Jason has until this weekend to answer Linda's action. I won't hazard a guess as to whether it is the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th, as the Clerk of Court in Wake County seems to have her own system for determining exactly what 30 days means.

At any rate, Jason does NOT have until the 4th of Feb.

Unless he intends to blow off this case like he did the WDS.

MOO

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think so. Given the choices of a healthy, stable, secure home life, or a nomadic, unstable, financially strained, and allegedly morally corrupt lifestyle, the decision is a no brainer.


Where does it say that her life will now be healthy, stable and secure away from Jason?

How do you decide that?

What offers of proof will be given to the court to back your statement as such?

Kat

[Jester]

I doubt that the results of a psych exam would be made public even if Jay took one. However, I bet that there are some serious mother - son issues there. With all the things that he has said and done to her (in public) a psychiatrist could have a field day. IMO naturally.

I'm sure that the psych eval would be confidential. Jason should request a psych eval of all interested parties including an assessment of both home environments. The judge should then base the custody decision on the results of those evaluations. In the interim, generous visitation should be granted to the Fishers. Jason would most likely come out on the losing end, but Cassidy would have a happier life.

[Kat4Eagles]

It is my understanding that Jason has until this weekend to answer Linda's action. I won't hazard a guess as to whether it is the 16th, 17th, 18th, 19th or 20th, as the Clerk of Court in Wake County seems to have her own system for determining exactly what 30 days means.

At any rate, Jason does NOT have until the 4th of Feb.

Unless he intends to blow off this case like he did the WDS.

MOO

I know he has to answer before that, but the actual court date is set for the 4th.

Unless a continuance or delay is granted.

:)

Kat

[Jester]

Not all all, I said C favored her father, you, in return, made fun of her father's looks.

:no:

Kat

Favoured her father? Do you think commenting on a pointy chin on a man is the same as making fun of him? I am not making fun of anything, merely stating that I don't think a pointy chin would be attractive on a girl. Cassidy has nothing to worry about.

[Tia]

Michelle's extended family may have suspected that Jason was a murderer, but it was only recently that their suspicions were confirmed. They could not be sure about Jason's involvement in Michelle's murder until after the courts labeled Jason a slayer. Since learning that fact, Michelle's family has taken action. I'm surprised that you wanted them to take action based on a hunch rather than facts.

I can't believe this has to be explained AGAIN!!! Ugh.

And why is it completely over-looked that Jason has done absolutely NOTHING to aid anyone but himself since Michelle has been murdered?

It is my hope that the Fisher's win custody and get Cassidy as far away as possible from the Young's.

JMO

[5swab5]

I know he has to answer before that, but the actual court date is set for the 4th.

Unless a continuance or delay is granted.

:)

Kat


Well, I hope you aren't holding your breath for a continuance.

It would seem that Sasser really takes the protection of children seriously, she certainly put the hammer down on Brad Cooper.

I see no reason why she would think Cassidy's welfare is any less important. Especially in light of the fact that Jason Lynn Young has now been declared a SLAYER in Court.

If he tries to delay and play, I can see her removing Cassidy posthaste.

MOO

[Tia]

Well, I hope you aren't holding your breath for a continuance.

It would seem that Sasser really takes the protection of children seriously, she certainly put the hammer down on Brad Cooper.

I see no reason why she would think Cassidy's welfare is any less important. Especially in light of the fact that Jason Lynn Young has now been declared a SLAYER in Court.

If he tries to delay and play, I can see her removing Cassidy posthaste.

MOO

ITA!!!

This isn't a game. Michelle was murdered in her own home, her husband was named her slayer. Cassidy was in the room next to her, possibly drugged by her Mother's Slayer.

Sasser will not be wishy washy about this case and I would imagine Linda has evidence to back up all the claims she made in the suit, (sworn statements, etc........).

[Tia]

So?

Nancy's family had suicide attempts at the time.

Michelle's family now has a confirmed SLAYER.

MOO


Swabby, do you know what will happen if he just doesn't show up?

[Kat4Eagles]

Can we please move on? You ask this question every day and its explained to you every day.

Thank you!


Oh, gosh, I am sorry..

The thought of a child living with a murderer who may have even witnessed the actual murder and all that.

What was I thinking, he is just a slayer..she is fine!!

No need to petition the courts on her behalf back in 2006 !!

2009 is just as good and safe.

Kat

[5swab5]

And, that may very well be enough, but it still does not answer why they waited.

Kat

Simple.

The WDS and hence the term "SLAYER"...gave them the legal leg they needed to stand on.

MOO

[5swab5]

Swabby, do you know what will happen if he just doesn't show up?

The only thing that I know for sure, is that I will have wasted my morning and will have less to report.:biggrinjester:


MOO

[BSNBREVARDNC]

I'm sure that the psych eval would be confidential. Jason should request a psych eval of all interested parties including an assessment of both home environments. The judge should then base the custody decision on the results of those evaluations. In the interim, generous visitation should be granted to the Fishers. Jason would most likely come out on the losing end, but Cassidy would have a happier life.

You know Jay will never request that.

[Leanne Weich]

That remains to be seen.

We have no idea, if what the Fishers have to offer, is anything better than what C has now.

I think, if anything had been all that wrong with Jason and his family since the murder of Michelle, someone would have intervened sooner.

Which brings me back to the question, why didn't they?

You can't sit back for 2+ years and be content with this situation, and then all of a sudden come forward and demand custody..

Nope.

Kat

You sure make a lot of assumptions don't you. Like we don't know all that LE knows, nor do we know anything other than what is public record of what Linda and Meredith know.

I'm sure Linda has very valid reasons for not doing anything sooner. Perhaps at the beginning, she hoped LE would solve the case quickly and was advised to wait and see what was going to happen. Maybe something happened (besides being deprived of seeing Cassidy) that pushed her over the edge so to speak and I certainly don't mean over the edge psychologically.

I truly believe the Youngs were very short sighted when they denied Linda and Meredith visitation with Cassidy. Any logical thinking person should have anticipated that, at some stage, Linda would do whatever it took to remedy the situation.

[jerry50]

I know he has to answer before that, but the actual court date is set for the 4th.

Unless a continuance or delay is granted.

:)

Kat


I don't think that a delay or continuance are as easy to get in a child custody case as it would be in the WDS. The welfare of a very young child is at stake.
For one thing why would JY need more time to defend himself against the sworn affidavits of friends that accuse him of certain incidents? Either he did or didn't do them. If he didn't he must have at least one friend at the party who can say he did not do what he is accused of.

Posters here have made light of the declaration that JY is the slayer of Michelle. The judge will not be so dismissive. The fact that JY has been declared the slayer will be the number one reason that the judge will not consider a delay. And I would think that JY will not have the opportunity to say he is not the slayer in this case. He had the legal opportunity to argue that case and defend himself in the WDS and he chose not to. His lack of response to that suit will be a factor in the custody suit. IMO

[Landonsmom]

I see, so they just went to sleep everynite knowing their granddaughter/niece could be living with a murderer.

Got it.
:rolleyes:

Kat

Maybe you should send that question to JY family. It seems to me they have no regards to how CY feels. I wonder what they would do if the shoe was on the other foot? What if JY lost his life to a brutal attack and MY and her family took CY out of their life?

[Landonsmom]

KAT4EAGLES: I may be new to this forum and thread but I have gone back to the begginning and why do you continue to defend JY? How much inside info do you know, if you know any? I ask this b/c there has to be SOME reason you are on his side.

[Kat4Eagles]

You sure make a lot of assumptions don't you. Like we don't know all that LE knows, nor do we know anything other than what is public record of what Linda and Meredith know.

I'm sure Linda has very valid reasons for not doing anything sooner. Perhaps at the beginning, she hoped LE would solve the case quickly and was advised to wait and see what was going to happen. Maybe something happened (besides being deprived of seeing Cassidy) that pushed her over the edge so to speak and I certainly don't mean over the edge psychologically.

I truly believe the Youngs were very short sighted when they denied Linda and Meredith visitation with Cassidy. Any logical thinking person should have anticipated that, at some stage, Linda would do whatever it took to remedy the situation.


So, if the Fishers made it known that they thought Jason killed Michelle, Jason should still let them see his daughter.

Got it.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Kat,

Linda had to wait until LE had enough evidence gathered to convince the court that Jason killed Michelle. Unfortunately, that took 2 years. If it were not for the 2 year deadline, it may have taken longer, but Linda had no choice but to file when she did. When the court named Jason the SLAYER, Linda had sufficient grounds to request a custody hearing.

I can just about guarantee you that Linda has had MANY sleepless nights since Michelle's murder...worrying about her precious granddaughter and if she could have filed sooner, she would have.

It's pretty much common sense, if you think about it...But wait- you haven't thought about it. You have spammed the board with the same question for almost a month now.

I truly hope this helps.

Thanxxxxx
:biggrin:

Al


So, did she at least file such a suit earlier?

Any type of suit at all, even one just regarding visitation rights?

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't think that a delay or continuance are as easy to get in a child custody case as it would be in the WDS. The welfare of a very young child is at stake.
For one thing why would JY need more time to defend himself against the sworn affidavits of friends that accuse him of certain incidents? Either he did or didn't do them. If he didn't he must have at least one friend at the party who can say he did not do what he is accused of.

Posters here have made light of the declaration that JY is the slayer of Michelle. The judge will not be so dismissive. The fact that JY has been declared the slayer will be the number one reason that the judge will not consider a delay. And I would think that JY will not have the opportunity to say he is not the slayer in this case. He had the legal opportunity to argue that case and defend himself in the WDS and he chose not to. His lack of response to that suit will be a factor in the custody suit. IMO


Ahhh, but the welfare of this child has been at stake for over 2+ years now, but it has been less than a month before someone finally, actually did something.

Amazing.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I wonder if she has ever received a call from PETA to stop beating that dead horse.


Not nice.
:no:

I guess I have been the only one who has worried about C's safety, after L E suggested she may be a witness to a murder, and everyone else was so convinced that Jason was the killer, but no one hesitated about turning the child over to him...and no one did anything to help her in all that time.

Dangerous game playing by all those involved with the life of a child in the balance.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Maybe you should send that question to JY family. It seems to me they have no regards to how CY feels. I wonder what they would do if the shoe was on the other foot? What if JY lost his life to a brutal attack and MY and her family took CY out of their life?


You would have to know what the dynamics of the families were before the murder, and if there had been prior accusations made about the murderer/ slayer.

Some people think Jason did not want C near them, because she might remember that nite/am, but maybe it was because he was afraid of the things they may tell her.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

His lack of response to that suit will be a factor in the custody suit. IMO
I can't find any legal reason why it would be.

[enigma™]

And yet, the Fisher's were granted an overnight visit with Cassidy, prior to their filing the WDS.

[alterEgo©]

Kat,


I can just about guarantee you that Linda has had MANY sleepless nights since Michelle's murder...worrying about her precious granddaughter and if she could have filed sooner, she would have.

snipped the unneeded cattiness
Al

If she was so worried she should have filed based on the info she believes to be true that she included in the custody suit.

But she didn't.

Kat is well within reason wondering why and the court should wonder too.

[Tia]

And yet, the Fisher's were granted an overnight visit with Cassidy, prior to their filing the WDS.

That wipes out the theory that they didn't want Cassidy around them now doesn't it?

[Kat4Eagles]

KAT4EAGLES: I may be new to this forum and thread but I have gone back to the begginning and why do you continue to defend JY? How much inside info do you know, if you know any? I ask this b/c there has to be SOME reason you are on his side.


There are not a lot of posts still available, unless you are using Board Reader com.

After almost 2 years, initial feelings were Jason was guilty, then I relocated to the fence, and with the length of the time the case was taking, with no arrest, I get to question why.

You get to do that here, ask questions, as many as it takes to convince you, as many as you want, until the case is solved and an arrest has been made.

I have no inside info, and have seen nothing to convince me anyone else here does either, unless you can count the countless arrest predictions that have come and gone.

Anyone really connected to the case should have been told not to talk.

But, you know that !!
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

And yet, the Fisher's were granted an overnight visit with Cassidy, prior to their filing the WDS.

This I don't know about..
Are you sure?

Kat

[enigma™]

That wipes out the theory that they didn't want Cassidy around them now doesn't it?

It sure does.

ae, no time to search for the link, but it was out there, so to edit my post, MUO. Happy hunting!

[Kat4Eagles]

If she was so worried she should have filed based on the info she believes to be true that she included in the custody suit.

But she didn't.

Kat is well within reason wondering why and the court should wonder
too.


That is what I wonder about too, all these stories and rumors have been around awhile and do not make them any more true now than they were then.

Filing for custody or visitation could have been heard long ago, not necessary to wait for a slayer charge.

Not in the best interest of a child, or there would have been claims of endangerment issues, if they wanted to pursue them.

Just the fact that C was left with Michelle, should have made the courts sit up and take notice on this case.

Maybe not make a ruling, but at least have the case in the system for a later date..

And, definitely not wait all this time.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

It sure does.

ae, no time to search for the link, but it was out there, so to edit my post, MUO. Happy hunting!


I never heard that or read it anywhere.

Kat

[alterEgo©]

Simple.

The WDS and hence the term "SLAYER"...gave them the legal leg they needed to stand on.

MOO
Really? So the info submitted 'upon information and belief' is merely character assassination and not any legal offering that Jason is an unfit parent?

Or did the info submitted 'upon information and belief' only become an indication of his unfitness to be a parent after the WDS was filed? Because most of it allegedly happened BEFORE Michelle was murdered.

[Kat4Eagles]

It sure does.

ae, no time to search for the link, but it was out there, so to edit my post, MUO. Happy hunting!



Wait, why would the Youngs grant such a visit, only to then have the Fishers file such a suit?

Makes no sense, unless they knew that would be their last visit for a long time.

:shrug:

Kat

[alterEgo©]

It sure does.

ae, no time to search for the link, but it was out there, so to edit my post, MUO. Happy hunting!
You need to supply your own links :seeya:

[Kat4Eagles]

You need to supply your own links :seeya:


Speaking of links, I tried that Board Reader com just now , looking for something, and I found posts from WS as old as Nov..2006, where posters were saying an arrest was coming immediately, and that the motive was huge gambling debts.

Kat

[5swab5]

Speaking of links, I tried that Board Reader com just now , looking for something, and I found posts from WS as old as Nov..2006, where posters were saying an arrest was coming immediately, and that the motive was huge gambling debts.

Kat

Speaking of which. Puerto Rico has gambling, maybe that's part of Jason's fascination with the place.

MOO

[enigma™]

I knew I read it somewhere, but apparently it wasn't in print media.

Post #55

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71455&page=3

apologies and MUO since this is not official word from official sources.

[Cardinal]

So, did she at least file such a suit earlier?

Any type of suit at all, even one just regarding visitation rights?

Kat

I'm not aware that she did, Kat. And I'm pretty sure I understand the reasons. I've posted them before - they have to do with NC law - so I won't be redundant.

But I really don't think that will be an issue with Judge Sasser, because she understands the reasons too. And since Cassidy appears physically well-cared-for, I don't think she has been harmed in that way by the delay.

The question NOW, is, IMO, will Jason fight for custody, and, if not, why?

[Barbara2]

<snipped>
Filing for custody or visitation could have been heard long ago, not necessary to wait for a slayer charge.

<snipped>

And, definitely not wait all this time.

Kat

Unless you have been involved in a child custody case, you have no idea how difficult it can be. It's not quite as easy or black & white as you try to make it seem. It's easier to sue someone for taking your parking place (and win!) than it is to gain custody from a custodial parent. IMO

[Cardinal]

Unless the custodial parent has been declared a slayer under NC law.

ETA: And unless the custodial parent doesn't respond to the custody suit.

[Kat4Eagles]

I knew I read it somewhere, but apparently it wasn't in print media.

Post #55

http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showthread.php?t=71455&page=3

apologies and MUO since this is not official word from official sources.


It doesn't say anything about an overnite visit, does it?

I am thinking this may have been at C's day care center, not sure though.

Thank you for looking it up though..
:)

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

I'm not aware that she did, Kat. And I'm pretty sure I understand the reasons. I've posted them before - they have to do with NC law - so I won't be redundant.

But I really don't think that will be an issue with Judge Sasser, because she understands the reasons too. And since Cassidy appears physically well-cared-for, I don't think she has been harmed in that way by the delay.

The question NOW, is, IMO, will Jason fight for custody, and, if not, why?


It still is taking a big chance though, Card.

Especially if you are of the belief that Jason drugged C.

I don't get the reasons for the wait of the filing.

Anyone can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything.


Kat

[Cardinal]

It still is taking a big chance though, Card.

Especially if you are of the belief that Jason drugged C.

I don't get the reasons for the wait of the filing.

Anyone can file a suit against anyone at any time for anything.


Kat

Sure they can, Kat. But the courts don't look favorably on frivolous suits. If people are serious, they need serious grounds.

And the result of the WDS suit constitutes serious grounds, IMO.

[Kat4Eagles]

Unless you have been involved in a child custody case, you have no idea how difficult it can be. It's not quite as easy or black & white as you try to make it seem. It's easier to sue someone for taking your parking place (and win!) than it is to gain custody from a custodial parent. IMO

This is not just any child in any situation.

It is a child left at a murder scene.

It is a child being raised by someone who some people think killed her Mother.

Why is that so hard for some people to get?


Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

Sure they can, Kat. But the courts don't look favorably on frivolous suits. If people are serious, they need serious grounds.

And the result of the WDS suit constitutes serious grounds, IMO.

Card, :banging head on keyboard:

What is frivolous about this?

So does leaving a child at a crime scene.!!

So does possibly drugging a child.!!

Where was all the outrage and calls for justice on those charges?

Nowhere.....absolutely, nowhere.
:(
Kat

[Cardinal]

This is not just any child in any situation.

It is a child left at a murder scene.

It is a child being raised by someone who some people think killed her Mother.

Why is that so hard for some people to get?


Kat

I get it, Kat. But my getting it doesn't equate to legal standing. What I, or Linda, or anyone else "thinks" isn't standing in a court of law.

A slayer designation is, however.

[Cardinal]

Card, :banging head on keyboard:

So does leaving a child at a crime scene.!!

So does possibly drugging a child.!!

Where was all the outrage and calls for justice on those charges?

Nowhere.....absolutely, nowhere.
:(
Kat

Not true, Kat. There has plenty of outrage and plenty of calls for justice, on this board, and others. The problem is, the courts don't recognize outrage and calls for justice as grounds in a custody suit.

[Nellikat]

The slayer ruling made it even more obvious to me why LF and MF waited before pursuing the custody suit. It must take tremendous strength on their part and I admire them for going about this legally. IMO, the better question to ask every day is why hasn’t Jason cooperated and what is HE waiting for?

[Barbara2]

This is not just any child in any situation.

It is a child left at a murder scene.

It is a child being raised by someone who some people think killed her Mother.

Why is that so hard for some people to get?


Kat

There are some asking the same question of you. The operative words in your post would be "some people think". It's one thing to believe something based on what you know. It's quite another to prove it. The Fishers needed to wait for the evidence that would support their cause. It took two plus years. God bless them for their patience and the love of a child that allowed them to persevere. IMO

[Cardinal]

The slayer ruling made it even more obvious to me why LF and MF waited before pursuing the custody suit. It must take tremendous strength on their part and I admire them for going about this legally. IMO, the better question to ask every day is why hasn’t Jason cooperated and what is HE waiting for?

There you have it, I think.

And my question still is, will Jason fight for custody?

[Kat4Eagles]

Not true, Kat. There has plenty of outrage and plenty of calls for justice, on this board, and others. The problem is, the courts don't recognize outrage and calls for justice as grounds in a custody suit.



So, say you weren't even asking for grounds for custody.

Just checking on the child and her well being, was that ever done by the Fishers?

Ever?

No, they have whined about not seeing her, but never set anything in motion to change that status.

They did not need a slayer charge to go and petition the courts for a remedy.

They needed nothing but a desire to see her and make their case.

If not for any other reason, they owed that to Michelle.

:no:
Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

There you have it, I think.

And my question still is, will Jason fight for custody?



50/50 at this point.

I say Jason does or he has a plan.

Kat

[Barbara2]

<snipped>

They did not need a slayer charge to go and petition the courts for a remedy.

They needed nothing but a desire to see her and make their case.

<snipped>
Kat

You might need to read up on NC laws regarding grandparent rights before you start casting stones. IMO Some of your wording ("whining") is rather telling in terms of your attitudes and biased opinions. AIMO

[Kat4Eagles]

There are some asking the same question of you. The operative words in your post would be "some people think". It's one thing to believe something based on what you know. It's quite another to prove it. The Fishers needed to wait for the evidence that would support their cause. It took two plus years. God bless them for their patience and the love of a child that allowed them to persevere. IMO


Meanwhile, the child could have been in danger.
Then, to top that, you have some people who think Jason was holding her over a rail, getting ready to throw her to her death.
:rolleyes:

Kat

[Nellikat]

There you have it, I think.

And my question still is, will Jason fight for custody?

JMO but I don't think he will. With previous legal matters, his lack of actions speak louder than his lack of words, imo.

[Barbara2]

Meanwhile, the child could have been in danger.
Then, to top that, you have some people who think Jason was holding her over a rail, getting ready to throw her to her death.


Kat

The child could have been in danger but that doesn't mean the grandparents could have done anything to intervene without solid proof. What people think isn't proof and doesn't hold up in court unless there is something solid to back it up. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

You might need to read up on NC laws regarding grandparent rights before you start casting stones. IMO Some of your wording ("whining") is rather telling in terms of your attitudes and biased opinions. AIMO

Murder and child endangerment would surpass all rights.
If that were the case, clearly it was not.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Murder and child endangerment would surpass all rights.
If that were the case, clearly it was not.

Kat

They need proof. They need evidence. What would they have taken into court prior to the "slayer" ruling?

[Cardinal]

So, say you weren't even asking for grounds for custody.
Just checking on the child and her well being, was that ever done by the Fishers?
Ever?
~snipped for space~
Kat


I don't know, Kat. I know they sent her presents that were returned. In light of that, do you think their calls were taken?

Jason didn't return Linda's calls the day Michelle died. Do you think he has responded to her calls since then?

[Kat4Eagles]

They need proof. They need evidence. What would they have taken into court prior to the "slayer" ruling?


They had the fact that C was left alone in her home with her Mom's dead body*..

Gosh, isn't that enough to get someone involved in a case of a 2 1/2 year old child who may have been a witness to a murder?

Guess not.

Kat

*(unless you think someone took her out of the home in Michelle's car because of the switched keys)

[Cardinal]

50/50 at this point.

I say Jason does or he has a plan.

Kat

What plan, Kat?

[Barbara2]

They had the fact that C was left alone in her home with her Mom's dead body*..

Gosh, isn't that enough to get someone involved in a case of a 2 1/2 year old child who may have been a witness to a murder?

Guess not.

Kat

*(unless you think someone took her out of the home in Michelle's car because of the switched keys)

It doesn't matter what I think (or what you think). It only matters what they can prove. In order for them to prove that Jason was an unfit parent, they would have to prove that he is the one who left his child alone. What proof would you expect them to use in court prior to the "slayer" ruling?

ETA: I've never seen anything from the investigation regarding any "switched" keys; only misplaced keys. IMO

[Kat4Eagles]

I don't know, Kat. I know they sent her presents that were returned. In light of that, do you think their calls were taken?

Jason didn't return Linda's calls the day Michelle died. Do you think he has responded to her calls since then?


I think that Jason and L F did not get along, and if she chose not to support him during the early suspicions that he killed her daughter, I doubt it helped anything..

I would imagine their relationship is a mess, and if I remember , right, the last visit was described as being heavily tensed and needing some mediation to set up.

Which is why, I don't think C spent the nite.

Kat

[Kat4Eagles]

What plan, Kat?



Who knows?

He doesn't confide in me.

Kat

[Cardinal]

Who knows?

He doesn't confide in me.

Kat

Nor me. :)

But I hope, if Jason has a plan, it's to respond to the custody suit. Because any other plan would, IMO, put Cassidy at extreme risk. And that scares me greatly.

ETA: And if Jason does have a plan other than responding to the custody suit, I hope someone will clue in LE. Because Cassidy has been through quite enough already, IMO. Hasn't she?

[Kat4Eagles]

It doesn't matter what I think (or what you think). It only matters what they can prove. In order for them to prove that Jason was an unfit parent, they would have to prove that he is the one who left his child alone. What proof would you expect them to use in court prior to the "slayer" ruling?

ETA: I've never seen anything from the investigation regarding any "switched" keys; only misplaced keys. IMO


This is one thing we will know, in approx 19 days, unlike other things.

Unless the court should decide they need more time.

Kat

[Leanne Weich]

At the end of the day, Linda would be damned if she did just like she is damned that she didn't.

Removing custody from a custodial parent is not something the Court takes lightly. I suspect Linda has consulted her attorneys for a long time and, acting on their instructions, did what was considered most prudent and most likely to give her the result she so desperately wants.

Had Linda filed earlier and lost the case, it would have not been a point in her favour had she had to file again. Had that happened, she'd have been called a vexatious litigant on this forum, imo.

IF Linda did in fact say that JY killed Michelle and this is the reason he didn't let her see Cassidy, then that would have only reinforced Linda's suspicions. Let's face it, if he'd let Linda have visitation, it might have gone a long way to rehabilitating his image in most people's eyes. If he was innocent, I believe he would have gone out of his way to prove her wrong but, then again, if he was innocent, I don't believe he'd have allowed himself to be declared a slayer.

[Kat4Eagles]

Nor me. :)

But I hope, if Jason has a plan, it's to respond to the custody suit. Because any other plan would, IMO, put Cassidy at extreme risk. And that scares me greatly.


Although, I would never break a confidence, it is highly doubtful, he will
contact me with his plan...:lol:

But, I am not worried now that he would harm her in any way, I think when he said she is the center of his life, he meant it.

I just think now is the time he needs to show it, and to act on it.

Kat

[lament79]

So C has not seen LF in over three years? I thought some meetings took place.

[Kat4Eagles]

At the end of the day, Linda would be damned if she did just like she is damned that she didn't.

Removing custody from a custodial parent is not something the Court takes lightly. I suspect Linda has consulted her attorneys for a long time and, acting on their instructions, did what was considered most prudent and most likely to give her the result she so desperately wants.

Had Linda filed earlier and lost the case, it would have not been a point in her favour had she had to file again. Had that happened, she'd have been called a vexatious litigant on this forum, imo.

IF Linda did in fact say that JY killed Michelle and this is the reason he didn't let her see Cassidy, then that would have only reinforced Linda's suspicions. Let's face it, if he'd let Linda have visitation, it might have gone a long way to rehabilitating his image in most people's eyes. If he was innocent, I believe he would have gone out of his way to prove her wrong but, then again, if he was innocent, I don't believe he'd have allowed himself to be declared a slayer.


Good post, but all she had to do was get the filing in the system.

Kat

[Barbara2]

Although, I would never break a confidence, it is highly doubtful, he will
contact me with his plan...:lol:

But, I am not worried now that he would harm her in any way, I think when he said she is the center of his life, he meant it.

I just think now is the time he needs to show it, and to act on it.

Kat

When he told Michelle Money that he loved her, do you think he meant that too?

[Kat4Eagles]

So C has not seen LF in over three years? I thought some meetings took place.


Where does it say that at?

L F has seen C.

But, she lives in NY and C in NC.....not exactly around the corner!!

And, remember Jason took C to see Alan.

Kat

[enigma™]

I think that Jason and L F did not get along, and if she chose not to support him during the early suspicions that he killed her daughter, I doubt it helped anything..

I would imagine their relationship is a mess, and if I remember , right, the last visit was described as being heavily tensed and needing some mediation to set up.

Which is why, I don't think C spent the nite.

Kat

so, you do remember - thanks for sending me on a wild goose chase.

MUO

[Kat4Eagles]

Nor me. :)

But I hope, if Jason has a plan, it's to respond to the custody suit. Because any other plan would, IMO, put Cassidy at extreme risk. And that scares me greatly.

ETA: And if Jason does have a plan other than responding to the custody suit, I hope someone will clue in LE. Because Cassidy has been through quite enough already, IMO. Hasn't she?


I didn't catch your edit, the only plan I think Jason would make would be something with the court's approval.

Kat