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Tia

01-18-2009, 05:13 PM

Link to where Spivey has threated JASON YOUNG please.

Another thing KB should report! If KB KNOWS that Det. Spivey is threatening Jason, he should speak to LE about that as well.

If I knew 1/4 of the "facts" that KB claims to know about this case, no way I'd be posting on a message board. I'd be doing something about it.

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 05:27 PM

I don't. Degree completion is almost always in April, but I don't know what year Meredith graduated. < snip >

MF graduated in 2002. I think she said something like, barely made it out alive. I guess she just wasn't the student that Michelle was.

IMO

Tia

01-18-2009, 05:30 PM

MF graduated in 2002. I think she said something like, barely made it out alive. I guess she just wasn't the student that Michelle was.

IMO

She also wasn't found to be Michelle's slayer. I don't understand what any of this has to do with the fact that Jason HAS been named Michelle's Slayer and the Fisher's don't want Cassidy growing up with the man that murdered her mother.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 05:31 PM

MF graduated in 2002. I think she said something like, barely made it out alive. I guess she just wasn't the student that Michelle was.

IMO

Didn't someone say earlier that she's now in graduate school?

alterEgo©

01-18-2009, 05:34 PM

I suggest that you either prove your allegations with hard evidence, or discontinue to slander the family of a murder victim.Slander? Slander refers to SPOKEN words.

And since this sounds like a threat of legal action, can you pls show where you have been designated the spokesperson for the family.

TIA

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 05:36 PM

She also wasn't found to be Michelle's slayer. I don't understand what any of this has to do with the fact that Jason HAS been named Michelle's Slayer and the Fisher's don't want Cassidy growing up with the man that murdered her mother.

I was answering someone's question of when MF graduated. Did you miss that?

Did you not read the article last week on WRAL where some 'legal experts' said it had nothing to do with guilt or innocent that Jason was named 'slayer'. He failed to respond in time to the WDS and said he couldn't collect her insurance.

I'm not a legal expert so I don't know if they were right or not. Just telling what I read.

5swab5

01-18-2009, 05:37 PM

And the Fishers didn't care? Maybe there is a reason.

What needed to be settled? Everything was left to Jason. Nothing to probate in that will.

Seems to me that Jason could have used his position and his monies to at least give Michelle & Rylan a proper burial...complete with headstone.

Instead of blowing it on trips with mommie to Puerto Rico, Montana etc., etc., etc.

What financial sound guy leaves a million dollar insurance policy on the table, And forces his MIL to foot the bill for his wife and son's burial. Those costs were Jason's responsibility.

Why doesn't anyone make him accountable for anything? No wonder he is such a slacker.

MOO

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 05:37 PM

Didn't someone say earlier that she's now in graduate school?

Someone did say that but I don't know if it's correct or not. If it is true, it's a recent development ... since Michelle's death.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 05:40 PM

I was answering someone's question of when MF graduated. Did you miss that?

Did you not read the article last week on WRAL where some 'legal experts' said it had nothing to do with guilt or innocent that Jason was named 'slayer'. He failed to respond in time to the WDS and said he couldn't collect her insurance.

I'm not a legal expert so I don't know if they were right or not. Just telling what I read.

I'm not a legal expert either, but I have a fair amount of experience along those lines. Jason having been declared Michelle's slayer has no bearing on a criminal procedure against him.

It does, however, have a bearing on the civil matter of Cassidy's custody.

And regardless of Jason's failure to file a response, Judge Stephens didn't adjudge him a slayer without evidence to support it.

JMO

ETA: Read the ruling. Judge Stephens made his decision based upon the affidavits, not the lack of a response.

http://www.wral.com/asset/news/local/2008/12/05/4088144/32274-20081205174636577.pdf

5swab5

01-18-2009, 05:40 PM

So, he decided not to answer Spivey in court and give him info he could use against him. So then Spivey threatens to take his child and force him to give info Spivey can use against him. When the killers are arrested, none of this will matter.

So, trot out that 'hard evidence' you have that justifies your vile accusations against Michelle's husband.

The problem with this lame theory of yours, is that IF Jason were innocent, Spivey wouldn't either need to talk to him OR be able to get anything incriminating from him.

How do you sleep, praying all the while for a double murderer to get away with these crimes?

MOO

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 05:41 PM

Someone did say that but I don't know if it's correct or not. If it is true, it's a recent development ... since Michelle's death.

It has been over 2 years since Michelle's death, sadly. A lot can change in 2 years.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:02 PM

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 06:03 PM

Dont' know if you have children or not but no two children in any family are the same. Some struggle other's don't. Michelle just may have picked up quicker on things in school but it sure doesn't make the sister a bad person.

Not only do I have children, I also have grandchildren. And yes, while all my children have done well some have had to work harder for it while some just seem to breeze (no pun intended) thru school and career.

I never said or implied it made her a bad person.

Jester

01-18-2009, 06:04 PM

MF graduated in 2002. I think she said something like, barely made it out alive. I guess she just wasn't the student that Michelle was.

IMO

Thanks. It's surprising that someone who "barely made it out alive" was accepted into a master's degree program. Perhaps she was modest if she said that, because an excellent GPA is non-negotiable for acceptance in graduate school.

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 06:04 PM

It has been over 2 years since Michelle's death, sadly. A lot can change in 2 years.

Yes it can. For better and for worse.

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 06:05 PM

MF graduated in 2002. I think she said something like, barely made it out alive. I guess she just wasn't the student that Michelle was.

IMO

I'd hazard a guess that some posters here barely made it out alive from getting a high school diploma if that. Meredith couldn't have done too badly if she has been admitted to university to do her Masters, imo.

Do you know if Michelle flew through her degree or, in her opinion, only barely made it out alive? I sure haven't seen anywhere that she aced all her exams but it is quite possible she did.

I really admire people who battle through a degree (and I'm not saying Meredith did in fact battle or barely made it out alive - she may not have performed up to her own expectations); works at a job that many people would hate and then goes on to further their education.

Jester

01-18-2009, 06:06 PM

Slander? Slander refers to SPOKEN words.

And since this sounds like a threat of legal action, can you pls show where you have been designated the spokesperson for the family.

TIA

A "suggestion" hardly translates into threats of legal action.

Time to iron socks again. I don't like this aggressive tone.

enigma™

01-18-2009, 06:06 PM

Dont' know if you have children or not but no two children in any family are the same. Some struggle other's don't. Michelle just may have picked up quicker on things in school but it sure doesn't make the sister a bad person.

That is the truth. If the rumor is true that Meredith is in graduate school, that tells me she has a lot going for her, and not "...she just wasn't the student Michelle was..." per Lindsey. Some will just snipe away at an innocent person, passively or aggressively. It truly is a shame. MUO

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:09 PM

What makes you so sure she's in such a stable home right now? Do you have proof of this? No and neither do I. She has already been bounced from Jason's sister back to his mommy's house and no telling where else so imo that's not stable. Even if the Fisher's do not win this case and i have all idea that they will, at least the grandmother and the aunt will have visitation rights something they should have had all along. IMO It's very sad it even had to come to this because Jason could have let the family see her all along. All a sudden you all think he has stepped up to the plate what a laught on all of you. The man is a slayer and does not deserve his child imo.

The child has not been "bounced" anywhere and she isn't homeless. She has always had a home in a stable environment. LE have observed the child in her current home several times over the past two years and have not made any move whatsoever to call in CPS. Her caregivers have observed the child and they haven't alerted CPS. Friends have visited with the child and they haven't alerted CPS.

Visitation is a separate issue from temporary custody. Frankly, the sad outcome I see ahead for Fisher is not only will she lose her bid for custody but she might be faced with a restraining order.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:10 PM

~snipped for emphasis~

Do you know if Michelle flew through her degree or, in her opinion, only barely made it out alive? I sure haven't seen anywhere that she aced all her exams but it is quite possible she did.

IIRC, Michelle passed her CPA exams on the first try - that's exceptional. In fact, it seems that Michelle was exceptional in a great many ways.

It's truly unfortunate, IMO, that her husband wasn't satisfied with such an exceptional woman.

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 06:11 PM

Thanks. It's surprising that someone who "barely made it out alive" was accepted into a master's degree program. Perhaps she was modest if she said that, because an excellent GPA is non-negotiable for acceptance in graduate school.

Do you know which school she's been accepted? Some are easier to get into than others.

But actually I've found that often students (male and female) who delay college are better students. Maybe she's matured a lot in these last two years.

IMO

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:14 PM

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:16 PM

I'm trying to figure out why Jason would want a change of venue in the first place. His attorney is also in Wake County, and attorneys bill their same hourly rate for travel. That means another 8 or so billable hours for an appearance in Henderson/Transylvania County.

Not to mention the fact that "bringing it home" is going to draw a lot more local attention, and I can't believe Pat would want all of those allegations explored in her home territory.

JMO

Cassidy doesn't reside in Wake County. It is unlikely the Judge is going to require therapists, caregivers, family and any other witnesses to travel such a distance to Wake County for this case. For that reason alone, the liklihood of transfer is great, imo.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:22 PM

I can't see anything constructive about a mud-slinging fest, AE. It certainly won't benefit Cassidy, IMO.

JHP is right about Linda's attorney being skilled at mediation. Hopefully, it will be handled that way.

ETA: But even with mediation, there will be depositions.

Nothing to mediate. The claim is for temporary custody and for a psych exam of Jason.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:26 PM

Attorneys of Ms. Stubbs' caliber typically bill about $350 an hour. That rate for 8-9 hours travel time to Henderson/Transylvania County is about $3,000. Why would Pat want to pay an additional $3,000 or so per appearance?

Why does cost concern you? If my child or grandchild's life was on the line, I'd pay whatever the cost of a good attorney and apparently Jason's done just that.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:27 PM

In a civil case, is it customary for the judge to order the loser to pay all legal fees? How about in a frivolous action?

very customary to assign all legal costs to the loser.

Lindsey

01-18-2009, 06:30 PM

IIRC, Michelle passed her CPA exams on the first try - that's exceptional. In fact, it seems that Michelle was exceptional in a great many ways.

It's truly unfortunate, IMO, that her husband wasn't satisfied with such an exceptional woman.

Everything I've read about Michelle tells me she was a bright and shining star in everything she did. This world needs more people like her. I agree it's truly unfortunate that someone snuffed out that light and should be made to pay with the rest of their life.

I really get angry watching the LE in Wake Co waiting for someone else to do their jobs for them and bring the guilty party/parties to justice. I pray I never lose a loved one in any location but especially not in Wake Co. NC!!

All JMO

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:35 PM

Cassidy doesn't reside in Wake County. It is unlikely the Judge is going to require therapists, caregivers, family and any other witnesses to travel such a distance to Wake County for this case. For that reason alone, the liklihood of transfer is great, imo.

All of those people can testify via depositions, without travel.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:36 PM

Everything I've read about Michelle tells me she was a bright and shining star in everything she did. This world needs more people like her. I agree it's truly unfortunate that someone snuffed out that light and should be made to pay with the rest of their life.

I really get angry watching the LE in Wake Co waiting for someone else to do their jobs for them and bring the guilty party/parties to justice. I pray I never lose a loved one in any location but especially not in Wake Co. NC!!

All JMO

Whoever killed Michelle should pay with their life, not just the rest of it, IMO.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:36 PM

You continue to claim that Meredith can be associated with drug use, yet your source, an unavailable personal page from several years ago, contained no information, statements, or claims, about drug use. You know this. Your claims are based on your assumption that the word high can only be interpreted as drug related. That is an error of interpretation and, as previously mentioned, reveals more about you than Meredith.

I suggest that you either prove your allegations with hard evidence, or discontinue to slander the family of a murder victim.

The personal profile page was linked here and I am allowed my interpretation as this is an opinion forum. I saw it as did others posting here.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 06:39 PM

All of those people can testify via depositions, without travel.

Really? In a child custody case? Depositions are not cost free. The attorneys must travel, a court reporter doesn't come cheap and in child custody cases, a Judge usually likes to ask direct questions.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:40 PM

Really? In a child custody case? Depositions are not cost free. The attorneys must travel, a court reporter doesn't come cheap and in child custody cases, a Judge usually likes to ask direct questions.

All of those things apply to the plaintiff's witnesses, as well, if a COV is granted.

ETA: But I thought cost wasn't an issue for you.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 06:53 PM

Like I said how would you know all this?

I think it's just her opinion, FWIW, breeze. Unless she lives in Pat's home, she couldn't possibly know any of that for a fact.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 07:10 PM

All of those things apply to the plaintiff's witnesses, as well, if a COV is granted.

ETA: But I thought cost wasn't an issue for you.

In child custody cases, the judge's concern is with the child and she resides five hours away as do her caregivers. Plaintiffs know they bear the cost of expenses going into the case and they also knew where the child resided. They filed the case in Wake County for their convenience.

Cost isn't an issue with me, I'm just trying to explain to you why the COV most likely will be granted.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 07:16 PM

Like I said how would you know all this?

through my direct conversation with a caregiver.

Tia

01-18-2009, 07:22 PM

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 07:25 PM

According to a Brevardian on another site, Cassidy is spending this weekend with the Fishers. If that is indeed correct, I wonder who mediated that arrangement.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:33 PM

According to a Brevardian on another site, Cassidy is spending this weekend with the Fishers. If that is indeed correct, I wonder who mediated that arrangement.

If that's true, Leanne, that gives me a great deal of hope that the attorneys in this case will be able to mediate an arrangement that is in Cassidy's best interest.

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:35 PM

So....one of Cassidy's caregivers told you directly that Linda and Meredith will be served with a restraining order to keep them away from Cassidy IF they lose the custody case?

Keep talking...that is good for the plaintiff and her atty to know...very good for the judge to know.

Thanks.

:no: That is not what Stella said, she said that C has not been bouncing around from home to home.

Everyone knows that Jason moved back to his Mom's when Heather had her baby.......
Kat

Tia

01-18-2009, 07:35 PM

So....one of Cassidy's caregivers told you directly that Linda and Meredith will be served with a restraining order to keep them away from Cassidy IF they lose the custody case?

Keep talking...that is good for the plaintiff and her atty to know...very good for the judge to know.

Thanks.

Between Stellagant and KB, this case could be cracked if they both spoke with LE (based on what they "claim" to know of course).

JHP

01-18-2009, 07:38 PM

:no: That is not what Stella said, she said that C has not been bouncing around from home to home.

Everyone knows that Jason moved back to his Mom's when Heather had her baby.......
Kat

I wonder why Heather didn't want them around her baby?

Sorry about those Eagles

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:39 PM

According to a Brevardian on another site, Cassidy is spending this weekend with the Fishers. If that is indeed correct, I wonder who mediated that arrangement.

We don't know if that is true or not either.

I seriously doubt with the seriousness of the charges that are about to be levied upon each other, that a visit with C would be in the works.

Why file for custody or visitation rights then?

This would not be the first time L F denied seeing C when in fact she did.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:41 PM

I wonder why Heather didn't want them around her baby?

Sorry about those Eagles

Maybe space, I don't know.

But, there are sure a lot of rumors floating around !!

Would be nice to see some of this stuff backed up with links , huh?

Kat

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:41 PM

We don't know if that is true or not either.

I seriously doubt with the seriousness of the charges that are about to be levied upon each other, that a visit with C would be in the works.

Why file for custody or visitation rights then?

This would not be the first time L F denied seeing C when in fact she did.

Kat

Kat, it is very possible that this visit was seen by Jason's attorney as a good faith measure that would work in his favor in the custody suit, since one of the allegations is that Cassidy has been kept from seeing her maternal family.

And who said anything about Linda denying it?

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:42 PM

Maybe space, I don't know.

But, there are sure a lot of rumors floating around !!

Would be nice to see some of this stuff backed up with links , huh?

Kat

It sure would. I was asking earlier for documentation around a poster's claims about Det Spivey. :)

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:45 PM

Kat, it is very possible that this visit was seen by Jason's attorney as a good faith measure that would work in his favor in the custody suit, since one of the allegations is that Cassidy has been kept from seeing her maternal family.

And who said anything about Linda denying it?

I would have to know more about this visit, who initiated it, etc.

There was a time when L F said she hadn't seen C, when there was actual proof she had, so, its kinda hard to believe anything at face value.

Kat

JHP

01-18-2009, 07:46 PM

We don't know if that is true or not either.

I seriously doubt with the seriousness of the charges that are about to be levied upon each other, that a visit with C would be in the works.

Why file for custody or visitation rights then?

This would not be the first time L F denied seeing C when in fact she did.

Kat

Kat, I don't think she would have been filing for visitation if it were happening on a regular basis. Maybe it was one or both attorneys that arranged it.

I'm happy if it happened.
JMO

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:46 PM

I would have to know more about this visit, who initiated it, etc.

There was a time when L F said she hadn't seen C, when there was actual proof she had, so, its kinda hard to believe anything at face value.

Kat

I understand that, Kat. But I hope this is true. It would bode well for the custody negotiations.

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:52 PM

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Kat, don't you think it would be better if something could be worked out that was in Cassidy's best interest, without things getting ugly?

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:54 PM

I understand that, Kat. But I hope this is true. It would bode well for the custody negotiations.

I am not sure how I feel about that.

I would rather have the case solved first.

After all , the Fishers haven't been all that worried about leaving C in Jason's care up until now.

If Jason were to be arrested, and the Fishers charges against him are true, that is one thing.

But, I would not want C to hear anything about bad her Dad that was not true, at this point.

There seems to be a lot of revenge factored in this custody case.

Kinda like, "you kept my grandaughter from me, so now, I will turn her against you."

Kat

Tia

01-18-2009, 07:57 PM

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:57 PM

Through her direct conversation with a caregiver, the poster Stella let us all know that Cassidy's caregivers are indeed contemplating a restraining order to keep Linda and Meredith away from Cassidy if they lose the custody suit.

I think that the attys and Judge Sasser would be interested in knowing they are thinking about it....in other words, they MIGHT seek a restraining order.

Spin it however you like, it certainly MIGHT make the judge think about what will happen to the child after the case is decided.

Again, I thank Stella for giving us insight as to what the caregivers are thinking.

I thank Stella too.

It is nice to know the caregivers are on top of things and C is well protected.

:)
Kat

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 07:58 PM

I am not sure how I feel about that.

I would rather have the case solved first.

After all , the Fishers haven't been all that worried about leaving C in Jason's care up until now.

If Jason were to be arrested, and the Fishers charges against him are true, that is one thing.

But, I would not want C to hear anything about bad her Dad that was not true, at this point.

There seems to be a lot of revenge factored in this custody case.

"Kinda like, you kept my grandaughter from me, so now, I will turn her against you."

Kat

Kat, the custody matter is proceeding without the murder case being resolved. That's a fact.

And it's documented that Linda and Meredith have spent at least some time with Cassidy during the last 2 years, and there have been no accusations that anything bad was said about Jason. And I truly don't believe they would do that to Cassidy. Nor do I believe this is about revenge.

Don't you think it's important for Cassidy to have the knowledge of Michelle that only her maternal family can give? And for her to know that she didn't lose her aunt and grandmother along with her mother?

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 07:59 PM

It sure would. I was asking earlier for documentation around a poster's claims about Det Spivey. :)

Sorry, I missed that one.

I think we all have the greatest respect for the Detective.
I think he is working very hard to bring this case to resolution.

Kat

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 08:01 PM

Sorry, I missed that one.

I think we all have the greatest respect for the Detective.
I think he is working very hard to bring this case to resolution.

Kat

I do too, Kat. I don't think the Detective could work this case and not want justice for Michelle.

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:02 PM

Kat, the custody matter is proceeding without the murder case being resolved. That's a fact.

And it's documented that Linda and Meredith have spent at least some time with Cassidy during the last 2 years, and there have been no accusations that anything bad was said about Jason. And I truly don't believe they would do that to Cassidy. Nor do I believe this is about revenge.

Don't you think it's important for Cassidy to have the knowledge of Michelle that only her maternal family can give? And for her to know that she didn't lose her aunt and grandmother along with her mother?

I am aware of that, I just think that maybe there are other reasons involved here, maybe they will come out soon, and we will all know.

Wouldn't that be nice?
To all be on the same page?
:)
Kat

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 08:09 PM

I am aware of that, I just think that maybe there are other reasons involved here, maybe they will come out soon, and we will all know.

Wouldn't that be nice?
To all be on the same page?
:)
Kat

Nice, definitely. Amazing, even more so!

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:11 PM

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:13 PM

<snipped>.

KB..............., should you return for an encore tonite, do you know anything about this "visit" that supposedly happened in Brevard?

Tia.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:20 PM

I was trying to use common sense. It was stated it was a high of elation. I pointed out that the day before she posted she hated her life. So name some other highs that law abiding citizens might know.

I always wondered why she said she hated her life and how she couldn't wait to move out of the house and away from LF, and now they want the court to think they are all going to live happily ever after with C?

:lol:

Kat

alterEgo©

01-18-2009, 08:21 PM

5swab5

01-18-2009, 08:22 PM

:no: That is not what Stella said, she said that C has not been bouncing around from home to home.

Everyone knows that Jason moved back to his Mom's when Heather had her baby.......
Kat

If living with mom is all that peachy-keen. Wonder why Jason didn't move in with Pat to begin with?

Surely he knew his sister wouldn't let them bum off of her forever.

MOO

Cardinal

01-18-2009, 08:24 PM

I am truly hoping that all concerned will put their issues aside and consider what is best for Cassidy.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:25 PM

If living with mom is all that peachy-keen. Wonder why Jason didn't move in with Pat to begin with?

Surely he knew his sister wouldn't let them bum off of her forever.

MOO

We were talking about some form of stability in C's life.

Good grief, all this concern for C , 26 months after the murder.!!

I am sure if things were all that bad, someone would have swooped in and rescued the poor child by now !!

Don't you?

I am waiting to hear more about this "visit".

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 08:27 PM

If that's true, Leanne, that gives me a great deal of hope that the attorneys in this case will be able to mediate an arrangement that is in Cassidy's best interest.

It would be a good thing Card. I notice kingbuff hasn't refuted this allegation here or on the other board and it does seem in keeping with Jason's modus operandi. He allowed Linda visitation just before she filed the WDS. If Linda settles for visitation I hope she does so with the proviso that the custody issue will be revisited if and when Jason is arrested.

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 08:29 PM

I am truly hoping that all concerned will put their issues aside and consider what is best for Cassidy.

Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

Nite Card, I think everyone wants the same things, the case solved and the best possible life for C.

Now, when and how and where all that will happen, is still very much undecided.

Kat

5swab5

01-18-2009, 08:29 PM

I was trying to use common sense. It was stated it was a high of elation. I pointed out that the day before she posted she hated her life. So name some other highs that law abiding citizens might know.

If that is the only definition you can come up with, you better buckle up.

I'm sure the witnesses at the party, when Jason was flashing and freely "watering" inside the house, will claim that he was high as a kite.

MOO

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 08:30 PM

Through her direct conversation with a caregiver, the poster Stella let us all know that Cassidy's caregivers are indeed contemplating a restraining order to keep Linda and Meredith away from Cassidy if they lose the custody suit.

I think that the attys and Judge Sasser would be interested in knowing they are thinking about it....in other words, they MIGHT seek a restraining order.

Spin it however you like, it certainly MIGHT make the judge think about what will happen to the child after the case is decided.

Again, I thank Stella for giving us insight as to what the caregivers are thinking.

You seem to be the one doing the spinning, Big Al. I'm almost certain a restraining order is a legal action that must be initiated by a child's parent.

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 08:33 PM

Through her direct conversation with a caregiver, the poster Stella let us all know that Cassidy's caregivers are indeed contemplating a restraining order to keep Linda and Meredith away from Cassidy if they lose the custody suit.

I think that the attys and Judge Sasser would be interested in knowing they are thinking about it....in other words, they MIGHT seek a restraining order.

Spin it however you like, it certainly MIGHT make the judge think about what will happen to the child after the case is decided.

Again, I thank Stella for giving us insight as to what the caregivers are thinking.

That is good information to pass on to Linda's attorneys. Either the Youngs have someone who is talking out of turn or someone has taken it upon themselves to project their own thoughts as those of the Youngs. I'm sure the Youngs would be interested in knowing that this type of information or misinformation, as the case may be, is being promulgated on a message board.

alterEgo©

01-18-2009, 08:36 PM

Oh nooooooooooooo!

It's a conspiracy.

:rolleyes:

alterEgo©

01-18-2009, 08:39 PM

You seem to be the one doing the spinning, Big Al. I'm almost certain a restraining order is a legal action that must be initiated by a child's parent.Oh but Stella, it's now something of interest for the judge and atty's for the Plaintiff.

LMAO!

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 08:39 PM

Sorry, I missed that one.

I think we all have the greatest respect for the Detective.
I think he is working very hard to bring this case to resolution.

Kat

Are you sure Detective Spivey is still assigned to the case? Sometimes a fresh set of detectives is required to bring a case to resolution. Spivey has failed to do so.

alterEgo©

01-18-2009, 08:40 PM

If that is the only definition you can come up with, you better buckle up.

I'm sure the witnesses at the party, when Jason was flashing and freely "watering" inside the house, will claim that he was high as a kite.

MOO
And how long ago was that?

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 08:44 PM

Oh but Stella, it's now something of interest for the judge and atty's for the Plaintiff.

LMAO!

I think the truth is going to be of great interest to the Judge and the attorneys for the Plaintiff (if they hang around much longer and I doubt they will.)

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 08:46 PM

No the day care would have the right to get a restraining order if her name wasn't on the list to pick up or see the child.

I'm pretty sure a daycare doesn't need a restraining order. Somebody shows up who isn't authorized, a daycare can call the cops. (Which is what happened in Raleigh early on when the media showed up, imo.)

bookie

01-18-2009, 08:52 PM

Oh? And what 'work' has Stella done to take credit for?

Posting opinions is work now??? Where's my paycheck!!! :tonguewag:

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 08:55 PM

That is good information to pass on to Linda's attorneys. Either the Youngs have someone who is talking out of turn or someone has taken it upon themselves to project their own thoughts as those of the Youngs. I'm sure the Youngs would be interested in knowing that this type of information or misinformation, as the case may be, is being promulgated on a message board.

Glad to see I offer "good information." Please do pass it along to any attorney although I'm pretty sure Jason's attorney has already spoken to this person.

What misinformation have I posted, Leanne? Please cite it specifically.

bookie

01-18-2009, 08:58 PM

Glad to see I offer "good information." Please do pass it along to any attorney although I'm pretty sure Jason's attorney has already spoken to this person.

What misinformation have I posted, Leanne? Please cite it specifically.

The only misinformation I've seen is where your opinion about a possible restraining order was twisted into fact. :wink:

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 08:59 PM

Glad to see I offer "good information." Please do pass it along to any attorney although I'm pretty sure Jason's attorney has already spoken to this person.

What misinformation have I posted, Leanne? Please cite it specifically.

I clearly said either information is being posted which shouldn't be on a message board or it is misinformation. I did not say you are posting misinformation - merely that is is possible it is misinformation.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 09:09 PM

I clearly said either information is being posted which shouldn't be on a message board or it is misinformation. I did not say you are posting misinformation - merely that is is possible it is misinformation.

Yes, you clearly said that and accused me of it. I merely asked you to cite the "misinformation" or what "shouldn't be on a message board."

I've not posted any misinformation whatsoever.

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 09:20 PM

Yes, you clearly said that and accused me of it. I merely asked you to cite the "misinformation" or what "shouldn't be on a message board."

I've not posted any misinformation whatsoever.

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
That is good information to pass on to Linda's attorneys. Either the Youngs have someone who is talking out of turn or someone has taken it upon themselves to project their own thoughts as those of the Youngs. I'm sure the Youngs would be interested in knowing that this type of information or misinformation, as the case may be, is being promulgated on a message board.

If you take this as me saying YOU ARE posting misinformation, then I think your comprehension skills are lackings. I was clearly referring to the restraining order info. and, yes, I don't think the Youngs would want that posted on message boards, whether true or not.

It is m.o. that if this information is corroborated, it would certainly not do them any good in the custody suit.

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 09:31 PM

http://mixie118.livejournal.com/profile

BTW, did you notice her birthday was just 2 weeks before this tragedy happened.

Do you think they all got together, Jason, Michelle, and MF to celebrate?

Just trying to piece the last few weeks of Michelle's life together.

I know there was a wedding , must have been a lot of stuff going on.

Where was the wedding at again, and could this woman that stayed at Michelle's and Jason's, been a guest at their house for the wedding?

Kat

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 09:31 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Leanne Weich
That is good information to pass on to Linda's attorneys. Either the Youngs have someone who is talking out of turn or someone has taken it upon themselves to project their own thoughts as those of the Youngs. I'm sure the Youngs would be interested in knowing that this type of information or misinformation, as the case may be, is being promulgated on a message board.

If you take this as me saying YOU ARE posting misinformation, then I think your comprehension skills are lackings. I was clearly referring to the restraining order info. and, yes, I don't think the Youngs would want that posted on message boards, whether true or not.

It is m.o. that if this information is corroborated, it would certainly not do them any good in the custody suit.

iow, you took spin and edits of my posts supplied by another poster and decided to run with it as fact. I understand now. Thanks.

Jester

01-18-2009, 09:34 PM

Do you know which school she's been accepted? Some are easier to get into than others.

But actually I've found that often students (male and female) who delay college are better students. Maybe she's matured a lot in these last two years.

IMO

Like I said, an excellent GPA is non-negotiable as a master's degree entrance requirement, so it doesn't really matter if the school is "easier to get into" or not. "Easier to get into" usually refers to quality of the school and number of applicants, not quality of student.

Jester

01-18-2009, 09:36 PM

very customary to assign all legal costs to the loser.

Custody applications are not considered to have winners or loser.

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 09:38 PM

Like I said, an excellent GPA is non-negotiable as a master's degree entrance requirement, so it doesn't really matter if the school is "easier to get into" or not. "Easier to get into" usually refers to quality of the school and number of applicants, not quality of student.

Jester,

I haven't seen any links to her furthering her career or education.

All I know is what she wrote, about hating her life and having a hard time finishing school.

I remember that, cause it seemed sad.

Do you have any updated info?

Tia.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-18-2009, 09:39 PM

Custody applications are not considered to have winners or loser.

Either do murder cases.

Kat

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 09:44 PM

Custody applications are not considered to have winners or loser.

Parents have lost custody. Not a new concept.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 09:46 PM

Either do murder cases.

Kat

Civil lawsuits do have winners and losers and the losers usually end up paying all costs.

Jester

01-18-2009, 09:46 PM

The personal profile page was linked here and I am allowed my interpretation as this is an opinion forum. I saw it as did others posting here.

By all means, you are welcome to interpret the phrase "coming down from a high" as illegal drug use. You are not welcome to infer that Meredith intended that phrase to be in any way related to illegal drug use, nor can you claim, based on your drug related interpretation, that Meredith had anything to do with illegal drug use.

If it is your opinion that a high exclusively relates to illegal activities, I think it is your responsibility to clarify, for each and every time you falsely accuse Meredith of using drugs, that it is your opinion based on your definition of "a high".

Jester

01-18-2009, 09:50 PM

Jester

01-18-2009, 09:52 PM

And how long ago was that?

Jason's alcohol driven incontinence at a social gathering was a couple of months prior to Michelle's murder.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 09:54 PM

By all means, you are welcome to interpret the phrase "coming down from a high" as illegal drug use. You are not welcome to infer that Meredith intended that phrase to be in any way related to illegal drug use, nor can you claim, based on your drug related interpretation, that Meredith had anything to do with illegal drug use.

If it is your opinion that a high exclusively relates to illegal activities, I think it is your responsibility to clarify, for each and every time you falsely accuse Meredith of using drugs, that it is your opinion based on your definition of "a high".

This is an opinion forum. I did infer the Meredith's reference to "coming down from a high" was tied to drugs and I'm not the only poster here who has done so.

I'm not falsely accusing anybody of anything, merely expressing an opinion about their own words they made in a posting on the public Internet.

achristie

01-18-2009, 10:08 PM

Jester,

I haven't seen any links to her furthering her career or education.

All I know is what she wrote, about hating her life and having a hard time finishing school.

I remember that, cause it seemed sad.

Do you have any updated info?

Tia.

Kat

Interesting. I'm more saddened that JY hated his life so much that he resorted to an affair with his wife's best friend (among others) and seemingly had a hard time coping with love, life, and holding down a job for any length of time. He had a beautiful wife and child right in his own back yard yet needed to seek solace outside the bounds of marriage. What's with that? Didn't he get a smarmy text from his paramour about how she was so sorry that his life was so awful (paraphrasing)just a week before the murder? That mean old Spivey put that out there for all to see. How dare him not keep that to himself. I don't feel a bit sad for Meredith but for that she mourns the loss of her beloved sister. Other than that, yours and others unkind comments about her, are dust in the wind. I hope she doesn't read here. OTOH, maybe she does and doesn't care considering the source. More power to her.

MOO Aggie

on the go

01-18-2009, 10:23 PM

What happened to Kingbuff? I'd like to know more information on Spivey's threats to Jason.

Leanne Weich

01-18-2009, 10:32 PM

What happened to Kingbuff? I'd like to know more information on Spivey's threats to Jason.

I notice that since talk of the visitation between the Fishers and their granddaughter came to light, both here and on another board, he disappeared.

Jester

01-18-2009, 10:48 PM

This is an opinion forum. I did infer the Meredith's reference to "coming down from a high" was tied to drugs and I'm not the only poster here who has done so.

I'm not falsely accusing anybody of anything, merely expressing an opinion about their own words they made in a posting on the public Internet.

Thanks. Next time you state that Meredith admitted on a personal page that she is an illegal drug user, I suggest you clarify that this is your interpretation of "coming down from a high" and that at no time does she claim to be using drugs.

Jester

01-18-2009, 10:48 PM

Posters have been warned not to refer to any of the Young's as any other name than what is proper. The same respect should be shown towards the Fishers.

I don't find your blatant disrespect as funny as you and Confused do.
I'm sure other posters don't either.

:no:

I found the remarks shocking as well.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 10:57 PM

Thanks. Next time you state that Meredith admitted on a personal page that she is an illegal drug user, I suggest you clarify that this is your interpretation of "coming down from a high" and that at no time does she claim to be using drugs.

Next time? I have yet to state it quite that way but if I do, I'll keep your suggestion in mind. Thanks.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 11:35 PM

Post number 536

Meredith's myspace profile before she set it to private was linked here and on it she admitted to drug use. Her reference to "coming down from a high" that you keep mentioning was on another posting site, not myspace.

Jester

01-18-2009, 11:38 PM

Meredith's myspace profile before she set it to private was linked here and on it she admitted to drug use. Her reference to "coming down from a high" that you keep mentioning was on another posting site, not myspace.

Please provide a link, or some sort of evidence, of this. It is unreasonable to accuse someone of illegal drug use on a public message board without any evidence.

Stellagant

01-18-2009, 11:45 PM

Please provide a link, or some sort of evidence, of this. It is unreasonable to accuse someone of illegal drug use on a public message board without any evidence.

Jester, I have responded to you repeatedly as have several posters here. This is my final posting to you on the subject.

We saw the same myspace and other Internet postings because they were linked here. We've formed opinions whether you agree or not.

It's unreasonable for you to demand posters re-supply these links when we are not responsible for IS's decision to remove them.

Barbara2

01-18-2009, 11:49 PM

Jester, I have responded to you repeatedly as have several posters here. This is my final posting to you on the subject.

We saw the same myspace and other Internet postings because they were linked here. We've formed opinions whether you agree or not.

It's unreasonable for you to demand posters re-supply these links when we are not responsible for IS's decision to remove them.

There are a very few that CLAIM to have seen this so called page. No verification has been given. It seems that the only ones who "saw" this page that no one can link are those that want Jason to remain a free man. IMO

kingbuff

01-18-2009, 11:53 PM

Jester, I have responded to you repeatedly as have several posters here. This is my final posting to you on the subject.

We saw the same myspace and other Internet postings because they were linked here. We've formed opinions whether you agree or not.

It's unreasonable for you to demand posters re-supply these links when we are not responsible for IS's decision to remove them.

No one here needs to supply the link. I suggest he get the info he is fishing for from his police buds. Surely they have it. Or one of his lawyer buds. Or from Meredith bud.

kingbuff

01-18-2009, 11:58 PM

What's this about Meredith being in grad school? I'd sure like to see the link for that. Yes, I know, I need to learn more subtle fishing skills.

kingbuff

01-19-2009, 12:06 AM

Leanne Weich

01-19-2009, 12:13 AM

Someone said the Fishers were granted a visit with Cassie? What a magnanimous gesture from Jason! How many of us would be so generous and forgiving? I'm afraid I would hold a grudge against the Fishers but I would pray for the same spirit Jason displays.

Quite honestly, I doubt it is a magnanimous gesture. Jason did the same thing just before the Statute of Limitations was about to run out for Linda to file a WDS. I have a suspicion this may be an attempt to get Linda to agree to visitation conditional upon her dropping the custody application. JMHOOC. This is something I have seen in a number of custody cases.

ETA: I think I'd hold a huge grudge against the person who murdered my daughter.

kingbuff

01-19-2009, 12:14 AM

I just don't get why he wouldn't go to LE with what he SAYS he knows and put an end to all of this.

Did somebody accuse me of not sharing with Spivey? That's not true. I've told him everything I know and suspect. Unfortunately, his tunnel vision prevents him from heeding my wise counsel. If he were my bud, we could put an end to all of this, as you suggest.

Barbara2

01-19-2009, 12:24 AM

Did somebody accuse me of not sharing with Spivey? That's not true. I've told him everything I know and suspect. Unfortunately, his tunnel vision prevents him from heeding my wise counsel. If he were my bud, we could put an end to all of this, as you suggest.

Maybe it's not his tunnel vision but yours. Just a thought.

Lindsey

01-19-2009, 12:41 AM

There are a very few that CLAIM to have seen this so called page. No verification has been given. It seems that the only ones who "saw" this page that no one can link are those that want Jason to remain a free man. IMO

Barbara, I SAW the page back in November 2006. I can't give 'verification' for it now because it was set to private days or weeks after many of us SAW it but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. It WAS. If you had been here in the beginning, you would have seen it too because everyone that was on the board at that time DID SEE it.

I've posted this more than once (including today) so I take offense at the last part of your comment. I only want Jason to remain a free man if he did not kill Michelle. If he did indeed kill Michelle, I want him punished to the fullest extent of the law. What is so hard to understand about that?

bookie

01-19-2009, 12:42 AM

Please provide a link, or some sort of evidence, of this. It is unreasonable to accuse someone of illegal drug use on a public message board without any evidence.

In the real world when someone is "coming down off a high" they are sobering up from drinking or drugs. You have decided that isn't what Meredith meant so where is your link proving how she meant it? Most understand? Most who? I can assure you that the people I have known who have said that meant they were coming off a high created by drugs and/or alcohol.

01-17-2009, 06:22 PM
Jester
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2008
Posts: 448

Quote:
Originally Posted by Stellagant
It's been discussed here previously. Meredith's myspace profile before she set it to private was linked here and on it she admitted to drug use. I'm pretty sure such self-disclosures are of interest to a Judge deciding custody.

Not true. We've been over this many, many times. It was stated that she was coming down off a high. You, for unknown reasons, have chosen to interpret that as drug use. Most understood that as a natural high, such as what one experiences after completing an undergraduate degree.
I highly doubt that your personal interpretation of the words "coming down off a high" are of any interest to any Judge in this case.

Jester

01-19-2009, 12:43 AM

Jester, I have responded to you repeatedly as have several posters here. This is my final posting to you on the subject.

We saw the same myspace and other Internet postings because they were linked here. We've formed opinions whether you agree or not.

It's unreasonable for you to demand posters re-supply these links when we are not responsible for IS's decision to remove them.

Confused has provided links to sites that do not include any information about drug use. If you continue to post false information alleging that Meredith is an admitted illegal drug user, I will continue to request proof.

Jester

01-19-2009, 12:46 AM

Someone said the Fishers were granted a visit with Cassie? What a magnanimous gesture from Jason! How many of us would be so generous and forgiving? I'm afraid I would hold a grudge against the Fishers but I would pray for the same spirit Jason displays.

There is a good possibility that this visit was arranged through the lawyers. It is in Jason's interests, as a gesture of good will, to agree to a visit.

Barbara2

01-19-2009, 12:47 AM

Barbara, I SAW the page back in November 2006. I can't give 'verification' for it now because it was set to private days or weeks after many of us SAW it but that doesn't mean it wasn't there. It WAS. If you had been here in the beginning, you would have seen it too because everyone that was on the board at that time DID SEE it.

I've posted this more than once (including today) so I take offense at the last part of your comment. I only want Jason to remain a free man if he did not kill Michelle. If he did indeed kill Michelle, I want him punished to the fullest extent of the law. What is so hard to understand about that?

I have been here since the beginning. I never saw this page that a few claim EVERYONE saw. The only ones who claim to have seen this page are those who are defending Jason. IMO

Lindsey

01-19-2009, 12:51 AM

I have been here since the beginning. I never saw this page that a few claim EVERYONE saw. The only ones who claim to have seen this page are those who are defending Jason. IMO

Are you calling me a liar? I told you I saw it. I told you I am not defending Jason.

Jester

01-19-2009, 12:53 AM

In the real world when someone is "coming down off a high" they are sobering up from drinking or drugs. You have decided that isn't what Meredith meant so where is your link proving how she meant it? Most understand? Most who? I can assure you that the people I have known who have said that meant they were coming off a high created by drugs and/or alcohol.
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In your real world, maybe coming down from a high means alcohol and drug abuse. In my real world, it means an accomplishment. In the real world of sober, clean, accomplished high achievers, being "on a high" is a good (legal) thing. For example, I have a friend who is on a huge high because her career is soaring. She's so excited that everything is falling in to place. In a few weeks, she may say that she is coming down from a high, but I would never think that she had been drunkenly peeing in corners, or too stoned to speak.

Jester

01-19-2009, 12:55 AM

I have been here since the beginning. I never saw this page that a few claim EVERYONE saw. The only ones who claim to have seen this page are those who are defending Jason. IMO

If this page existed, someone could produce it. Since no one has yet been able to produce it, there is a very good possibility that the allegations are nothing more than a misinterpretation of the phrase "coming down from a high", as Stellagant admitted.

bookie

01-19-2009, 01:00 AM

If this page existed, someone could produce it. Since no one has yet been able to produce it, there is a very good possibility that the allegations are nothing more than a misinterpretation of the phrase "coming down from a high", as Stellagant admitted.

I'm responding to both of your posts here. I call bull. Coming down off a high means someone is sobering up. And you know it was on her MySpace page which is why you are twisting it so hard to mean she was happy....because it looked bad for her.

Stellagant

01-19-2009, 01:06 AM

There are a very few that CLAIM to have seen this so called page. No verification has been given. It seems that the only ones who "saw" this page that no one can link are those that want Jason to remain a free man. IMO

It seems the only ones who want to pretend the information doesn't exist are those who want Meredith to remain a free woman. IMO

Stellagant

01-19-2009, 01:20 AM

Quite honestly, I doubt it is a magnanimous gesture. Jason did the same thing just before the Statute of Limitations was about to run out for Linda to file a WDS. I have a suspicion this may be an attempt to get Linda to agree to visitation conditional upon her dropping the custody application. JMHOOC. This is something I have seen in a number of custody cases.

ETA: I think I'd hold a huge grudge against the person who murdered my daughter.

Holding a grudge isn't emotionally healthy nor should a child be exposed to it. Visitation is up the the parent totally, not the grandmother who does not have custody.

Stellagant

01-19-2009, 01:33 AM

I'm responding to both of your posts here. I call bull. Coming down off a high means someone is sobering up. And you know it was on her MySpace page which is why you are twisting it so hard to mean she was happy....because it looked bad for her.

ITA. The only opinion that really matters is that of the judge and I'm pretty sure attorneys on both sides know she'll reach the same conclusion. It also won't surprise me if the claim for custody is withdrawn shortly.

Leanne Weich

01-19-2009, 01:34 AM

Holding a grudge isn't emotionally healthy nor should a child be exposed to it. Visitation is up the the parent totally, not the grandmother who does not have custody.

Visitation is clearly up to the custodian of a child but very many custody cases are resolved out of court by the parties reaching agreement on visitation for the party seeking custody. There is no doubt that holding a grudge is emotionally unhealthy. Believe you me, I know it. I've held a grudge against the woman who caused my brother's death 24 years ago. Would I like to let go of it - sure, but as long as she never answers for what she did, I doubt it will happen.

Stellagant

01-19-2009, 02:12 AM

Visitation is clearly up to the custodian of a child but very many custody cases are resolved out of court by the parties reaching agreement on visitation for the party seeking custody. There is no doubt that holding a grudge is emotionally unhealthy. Believe you me, I know it. I've held a grudge against the woman who caused my brother's death 24 years ago. Would I like to let go of it - sure, but as long as she never answers for what she did, I doubt it will happen.

Jason is the parent of the child and visitation is up to him. No parent in their right mind would agree to mediation under these circumstances. Jason's attorney asked for dismissal and transfer. That means she's prepared to fight no matter where it lands.

Leanne Weich

01-19-2009, 02:27 AM

Jason is the parent of the child and visitation is up to him. No parent in their right mind would agree to mediation under these circumstances. Jason's attorney asked for dismissal and transfer. That means she's prepared to fight no matter where it lands.

You may be right. By the same token, she may feel that Linda has a fair chance of success and feel that mediation which only involves visitation for Linda would be preferable to having Jason deposed and subjected to psych. evaluation. It is SOP to ask for dismissal and is no indication, imo, of the merits of the case. I think there is as good a chance of the matter not being transferred as there is of it being.

BTW, I'm not ignorant and there is no need to point out that Jason is the parent and visitation is up to him. Your opinion that no parent in their right mind would agree to mediation under these circumstances, does not sway me as I've seen exactly that happen in numerous cases during 25 years of working in both the criminal and family law arenas - although, to be honest, I don't think Jason is in his right mind.

JHP

01-19-2009, 07:05 AM

Cardinal

01-19-2009, 08:12 AM

I suspect the timing of this visit was either the court ordered it or Jasons Attorney strongly suggested it.
Jason may not have had a choice.
JMO

I think so, too, JHP.

I also think that as, um, fascinating as the discussion of the meaning of "coming down from a high" is, it doesn't matter at all what anyone here thinks it means. Unless one of us is the judge in the custody case?

Strictly my opinion.

5swab5

01-19-2009, 09:11 AM