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Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:07 PM

How would she get a filing on the sytem without it going to a hearing? The court is not a babysitter and, had she been able to file a custody application and not act on it, it would have looked worse than doing nothing until Jason had legally (even if only civilly) been declared the slayer of Michelle.

I believe Jason is a narcissist and that is the only reason I'm not too worried about Cassidy's safety right now or I'd be worried about a murder/suicide scenario. Let's face it, he couldn't get away with murdering Cassidy and, imo, the most likely reason he killed Michelle is that she wanted a divorce and he didn't. Having lost his dad at a young age, he may have abandonment issues and, but for his personality, I'd be terrified about what he might capable of.

I also believe that by Linda taking the line of least resistance until her legal advisers felt she had a strong enough case to file, she was in effect protecting Cassidy. I have never, for one minute, thought Cassidy was in danger with Jason while he has been living with his family although I do believe that in the long term it will be very damaging to her. Every child has a right to know her entire family unless it can be proven that to do so would be detrimental. JMOOC

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:07 PM

The point is, you remember, down to the "mediation" for visitation, not like you said here:

While the overnight part may be in question, the point is, you knew there was something out there about that last visit, right before the WDS was filed. the end

I was questioning the over nite visit..
And, of course, I remember.
We are all following the same case, right?
Kat

achristie

01-15-2009, 08:07 PM

I didn't catch your edit, the only plan I think Jason would make would be something with the court's approval.

Kat

:confused: The court's approval? ::cough:: What do you mean? Are you saying the court would approve the slayer's plan? His plan? Are you kidding me? What would that "plan" be?

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:10 PM

Well, Card, L E has no problem handing the child back over to him 2+ years ago, I guess we should trust their judgement.

Kat

2+ years ago LE didn't know for sure JY was the slayer so, on what basis should they have tried to withhold Cassidy from him. They could have called CPS but, realistically, CPS had no grounds at that time to take Cassidy away from JY. It just doesn't work like that.

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:11 PM

I believe Jason is a narcissist
<snipped>

JMOOC

I am always in awe of people who can analyze someone without ever meeting them, speaking a word with them, or sharing a thought with them.

:)
Kat

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:12 PM

:confused: The court's approval? ::cough:: What do you mean? Are you saying the court would approve the slayer's plan? His plan? Are you kidding me? What would that "plan" be?

:lol: The only plan I believe the court will approve will be a change of custody from JLY to Linda and Meredith Fisher.

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:13 PM

2+ years ago LE didn't know for sure JY was the slayer so, on what basis should they have tried to withhold Cassidy from him. They could have called CPS but, realistically, CPS had no grounds at that time to take Cassidy away from JY. It just doesn't work like that.

What about the last s/w's that suggested the child had been drugged?
Look how long ago that was.
Still=nothing.
Kat

Barbara2

01-15-2009, 08:14 PM

I am always in awe of people who can analyze someone without ever meeting them, speaking a word with them, or sharing a thought with them.

:)
Kat

That's what you have done on numerous occasions in your analysis of Linda and Meredith. IMO

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:14 PM

:lol: The only plan I believe the court will approve will be a change of custody from JLY to Linda and Meredith Fisher.

And, even if that is so, it is 2+years too late.

:(

Kat

lament79

01-15-2009, 08:17 PM

Jason was always the center of attention whenever I was around him, but he never came off cocky or arrogant. He always came pretty nice. At least when I talked to him. I was much younger and he'd always bust my chops.

But that was a long time ago.

Barbara2

01-15-2009, 08:17 PM

And, even if that is so, it is 2+years too late.

:(

Kat

That is one point on which we agree. But the wheels of justice turn slowly and sometimes painfully. We can only hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is real and not an illusion. I hope that the family can have closure and that Cassidy can be raised in a stable and loving environment in the VERY near future!

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:18 PM

That's what you have done on numerous occasions in your analysis of Linda and Meredith. IMO

Then you would be in awe of me, also.
:)
Kat

Barbara2

01-15-2009, 08:19 PM

Nancy Cooper's parents took nothing except for unsubstantiated claims from friends and got temp custody of her children. They had no evidence so that claim just doesn't cut it considering it's the same exact judge.

Are you sure about that? They had no evidence of the suicide attempts or the alleged abuse of their daughter?

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:19 PM

Barbara2

01-15-2009, 08:20 PM

Then you would be in awe of me, also.
:)
Kat

Yeah, that's not the word I had in mind but I understand your point. :cool:

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:20 PM

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:21 PM

Yeah, that's not the word I had in mind but I understand your point. :cool:

I am sure it was somewhere along those lines though.

:)
Kat

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:21 PM

I am always in awe of people who can analyze someone without ever meeting them, speaking a word with them, or sharing a thought with them.

:)
Kat

What, similar to what you've done regarding Linda and Meredith? You may not have assigned a psychiatric diagnosis to them but you have torn them apart with far less information on them than we have information on JY.

I think the facts alone that JY has been unable to sympathize or empathize with the Fishers over the loss of Michelle; to take into account how important it is for Cassidy to have a relationship with her grandmother and aunt; is failure to respond to the WDS; returning Christmas presents (can't see the long term feeling of abandonment this could cause Cassidy in years to come); failure to have a headstone erected on Michelle and Rylan's grave; no visible support of the Foetal Homicide Law in NC; failure to apply for the proceeds of the LIP because it would entail him being deposed; are all very characteristic of a narcissist.

Quite clearly, my post to which you responded was my opinion just as your opinion is that Linda is whiner and is a money grabber.

enigma™

01-15-2009, 08:22 PM

The bait is heavy in the air this evening. I am going to call it a night. MUO

Justice for Michelle and Rylan!

Kat4Eagles

01-15-2009, 08:22 PM

That is one point on which we agree. But the wheels of justice turn slowly and sometimes painfully. We can only hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is real and not an illusion. I hope that the family can have closure and that Cassidy can be raised in a stable and loving environment in the VERY near future!

Well, lets see if we learn anything about the Fishers before we just hand C over, k?

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:25 PM

What about the last s/w's that suggested the child had been drugged?
Look how long ago that was.
Still=nothing.
Kat

At the time of the SW, it was a suggestion, not a fact. Nothing has been confirmed that the child was in fact drugged and this may be evidence that has not been shared with Linda or, alternatively, it could be that it was shared with her at the time of the WDS and this will be used during the custody hearing. We just don't know as yet and may not know even after the hearing on the 4th proximo as this is a Family Court hearing and we may not hear anything/everything, other than the ruling.

Barbara2

01-15-2009, 08:25 PM

Yes I'm sure and no they didn't. They claimed he attempted suicide and talked about it but had nothing to prove it. The only other "evidence" they had was statements from friends of Nancy's, some of which contradicted each other. When Brad Cooper filed his responses to the courts he had statements from other friends that contradicted the ones filed by the parents.

So you saw all the evidence. I don't think so. Fortunately the judge saw everything and didn't glean her information from message boards. She made an INFORMED decision. IMO

lament79

01-15-2009, 08:29 PM

You knew Jason?

Kat

He was friends with my older brother but he was over at the house a lot. I remember he invited me over to play Nintendo one day. I used to live out there where his mother lives.

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 08:30 PM

So you saw all the evidence. I don't think so. Fortunately the judge saw everything and didn't glean her information from message boards. She made an INFORMED decision. IMO

Amazing how we only saw the pleadings and heard the video deposition in this case and a few remarks from Judge Sasser and people think they know all the ins and outs of a case. I bet BC's psych. evaluation was an eye opener. Something we don't know must have come into play to let Judge Sasser allow the g/parents to remove the kids from the country, imo.

jerry50

01-15-2009, 08:40 PM

50/50 at this point.

I say Jason does or he has a plan.

Kat

Custer had a plan also.

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 09:04 PM

Pssssst.....there hadn't been a psych eval done when temp custody was awarded so no, that didn't factor into the judge's decision.

You're right, I wasn't thinking of the initial hearing when I posted. I still believe Judge Sasser heard a lot more evidence than we were privvy to when she originally made her decision.

I still wonder if it wouldn't have been more advantageous for Linda to have brought an Ex Parte Application immediately after the WDS, although I guess her attorneys must have weighed that option and had a good reason not to.

Tia

01-15-2009, 09:06 PM

Well, Card, L E has no problem handing the child back over to him 2+ years ago, I guess we should trust their judgement.

Kat

Its not LE's decision Kat. All custody cases must got through the court system. I would recommend you study up on how difficult it is to gain custody from a biological parent.

achristie

01-15-2009, 09:09 PM

Alan was Michelle's dad, who passed away last year.
Jason stayed in contact with him after the murder.
:(

L F, I guess, still resides in Sayville.
:shrug:

Kat

Thanks for clarifying. So he's not the latest poster Big Al?

achristie

01-15-2009, 09:12 PM

I am always in awe of people who can analyze someone without ever meeting them, speaking a word with them, or sharing a thought with them.

:)
Kat

Me too. Does this mean you have met JY and MF? You've had quite a bit to say about them. LF too for that matter. I knew you were an insider.:wink:

Tia

01-15-2009, 09:44 PM

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 10:09 PM

At the time of the ex parte hearing there wasn't any evidence. Everything the Rentz' took into court was released and it was all he said/she said. The was no proof of a suicice attempt or of talk of one. They claimed Nancy told them he tried to kill himself.

The friend statements were a mess. One said he wouldn't put gas in her car while another said she had no car. One said he took her cell phone while another said he always called her on her cell. And these were all statements the Rentz' took to court.

All that proves is that no evidence is needed. Just go into Judge Sasser's court with some major hearsay and you can win custody.

I conceded the point that the deposition wasn't evidence at the Ex Parte hearing. We do not know what evidence was heard during that hearing over and above the pleadings.

If Judge Sasser was so inept as to make such a life altering decision based on "major hearsay", why did BC's attorneys not appeal her decision? Because it didn't happen, imo. Family Court proceedings are not like criminal and most civil cases where we, the public at large, are privvy to every detail.

I would love Jason to respond to Linda's application (and I doubt he will) because I really do believe Judge Sasser will really look into this matter fully and firmly and things which are being hidden may well come to light.

Tia

01-15-2009, 10:12 PM

Or it can prove she doesn't look at contradictory claims made by people on the same side of a case. It can prove a lot of things depending on how you look at it. But the one thing we know it proves for sure is that evidence isn't needed in her court.

No. I think being a confirmed "Slayer" is what is needed to sway her.

Nothing else should matter.

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 10:54 PM

No? No what? Brad Cooper wasn't charged with a crime, and wasn't named a slayer in civil court so I'm not sure what your no means. Apparently Judge Sasser doesn't need evidence to take children away from their natural parents. IUPG doesn't appear to apply in her courtroom.

I believe if an allegation is made that a person attempted suicide or expressed suicidal ideations and there is a suspicion that that person has committed murder, any judge should seriously consider removing the children as a precaution. BC had the opportunity on the return date to prove that the Rentz's claims were unfounded and, it would appear, he was unable to do so.

This ruling has yet to be appealed and, imo, if she unjustly awarded custody to the grandparents, why have BC and/or his family not appealed the decision?

alterEgo©

01-15-2009, 10:55 PM

Unless the custodial parent has been declared a slayer under NC law.

ETA: And unless the custodial parent doesn't respond to the custody suit.From what I understand from the opinions I have read, she will have to have clear and convincing evidence to strip Jason of his constitutionally protected status as a parent. I don't think the low burden req'd for a WDS meets the higher 'clear and convincing' standard - but it may. Once the court accepts Jason=slayer as a matter of fact, then the cannon of 'best interest of the child' will kick in.

And since most of the allegations are based on things that happened before the murder, it will be interesting to see how much weight, if any, Sasser gives them.

ETA: yeah, there's a distinct possibility a default judgement will again be sought.

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 10:57 PM

AE, if Jason does not respond, what will you make of it?

alterEgo©

01-15-2009, 10:58 PM

That is one point on which we agree. But the wheels of justice turn slowly and sometimes painfully. We can only hope that the light at the end of the tunnel is real and not an illusion. I hope that the family can have closure and that Cassidy can be raised in a stable and loving environment in the VERY near future!
What makes you think Cassidy is not being raised in a stable and loving environment?

5swab5

01-15-2009, 11:04 PM

No? No what? Brad Cooper wasn't charged with a crime, and wasn't named a slayer in civil court so I'm not sure what your no means. Apparently Judge Sasser doesn't need evidence to take children away from their natural parents. IUPG doesn't appear to apply in her courtroom.

If ever there was a time when erring on the side of caution is called for, I think these kind of situations are IT. I happen to respect Sasser's attitude about custody.

Cooper has been indicted and Young has been declared a slayer in the murders of their wives. Ridiculous to let those animals retain custody of their children.

IMO

alterEgo©

01-15-2009, 11:04 PM

AE, if Jason does not respond, what will you make of it?That he would rather loose his daughter than loose his freedom AND his daughter.

alterEgo©

01-15-2009, 11:11 PM

Leanne Weich

01-15-2009, 11:14 PM

That he would rather loose his daughter than loose his freedom AND his daughter.

In other words, it would be an admission of guilt that he murdered Michelle. Am I interpreting your post correctly?

alterEgo©

01-15-2009, 11:48 PM

In other words, it would be an admission of guilt that he murdered Michelle. Am I interpreting your post correctly?That depends on what time it is :laugh: I vacillate between it meaning just that and it meaning just how serious Jason is taking the 'everything you say will be used against you' advice from his atty.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 12:06 AM

That depends on what time it is :laugh: I vacillate between it meaning just that and it meaning just how serious Jason is taking the 'everything you say will be used against you' advice from his atty.

No. 1, I'm not sure he is still represented by counsel; and

No. 2, do you believe any innocent person would not take their chances in an attempt to keep custody of a child who they profess is the centre of their life?

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 12:40 AM

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 12:41 AM

No. 1, I'm not sure he is still represented by counsel; and

No. 2, do you believe any innocent person would not take their chances in an attempt to keep custody of a child who they profess is the centre of their life?
He may not still have an atty on retainer, but I'm sure the advice to remain silent was given and heeded and that he will continue to heed it.

I've seen innocent people convicted because of what they said. I know for a fact that everything you say will be used against you, just like they warn. No, I don't think an innocent person would put their liberty at risk when the result could very well be seeing the child thru bars. IOW, what is worse - loosing custody but seeing the child in the free world or risk loosing custody AND freedom and seeing the child in a jail setting.

I know to some it would not matter, they would fight. And while nobel, if that fight leads to being lead away in handcuffs then what was being fought for is lost, along with a whole lot more.

Does that make sense?

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 12:49 AM

Just thinking about the custody case and what issues might prevent Judge Sasser from awarding custody to Linda. It is, imo, quite possible that she will not want to remove Cassidy from Jason whilst he is free and still living with his parents.

I think she might rule that Linda be given liberal visitation and just adjourn the custody portion sine die to enable Linda to go back to court if and when Jason is arrested. Thoughts?
That sounds like a likely senario.

Most of the offerings of unfittnes are from actions over 2 years ago. I don't think living w/relatives is considered 'unstable' and in these hard economic times, I don't know how much weight not being able to find work will factor in.

So, I agree that Sasser may very well find that 'the best interest of the child' is to stay where she is and not uproot her but allow Linda and Meredith access to her.

That's assuming Jason responds to the suit.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 01:03 AM

AE, I've also seen innocent people wrongfully convicted - don't think you can work in criminal law for 25 years and escape that unfortunately. However, I do believe that the vast majority of people would put their child first and, if truly innocent, would believe deep down that their child's longterm happiness is paramount. Can you imagine the psychological impact on Cassidy if she were to learn later in life that her dad never fought for her. Especially if, for whatever reason, he is never charged or convicted.

I'm also wondering if Jason's attorney hasn't maybe withdrawn from representing him in this case - the same firm represented the Rentz family with far less evidence than the Fishers have against Jason.

Also, insofar as things having happened long ago - IIRC in Linda's affidavit she states that Jason and Michelle's marriage had deteriorated (my paraphrasing) in the months prior to Michelle's death and also alleged that Jason had recently had one of his lovers staying at their home and going to Cassidy's daycare with him. I think those facts will play a large part in Sasser's decision too.

Whatever the outcome, however, I do hope Linda gets to spend quality time with Cassidy.

I bet Colin Willoughby is looking forward to seeing what Jason does next.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 01:10 AM

He may not still have an atty on retainer, but I'm sure the advice to remain silent was given and heeded and that he will continue to heed it.

I've seen innocent people convicted because of what they said. I know for a fact that everything you say will be used against you, just like they warn. No, I don't think an innocent person would put their liberty at risk when the result could very well be seeing the child thru bars. IOW, what is worse - loosing custody but seeing the child in the free world or risk loosing custody AND freedom and seeing the child in a jail setting.

I know to some it would not matter, they would fight. And while nobel, if that fight leads to being lead away in handcuffs then what was being fought for is lost, along with a whole lot more.

Does that make sense?

ETS: I also don't see him living with his family and not having a job as unstable. I would, however, like to see what, if any, attempts he has made to find employment before categorically stating that it is in Cassidy's best interests to remain with him.

I can see if from both sides. However, having seen hundreds of people (both innocent and guilty) having to decide whether to respond or not both in Court and out, I'd have to say most seem to take the noble way out and put their child/ren ahead of their own interests.

However, I think JY has made it very clear that he is interested in his self preservation above all else and I very much doubt that's going to change now.

At this point in time, I'd think that it would be more important to fight for my child so that irrespective of what happens with the criminal case, my child knows she was more important to me than my liberty.

freejason

01-16-2009, 08:08 AM

What makes you think Cassidy is not being raised in a stable and loving environment?

It might have something to do with her father being a SLAYER and her grandmother being a SLAYER's MOTHER.

Tia

01-16-2009, 09:28 AM

It might have something to do with her father being a SLAYER and her grandmother being a SLAYER's MOTHER.

That detail seems to be completely overlooked by Jason defenders.

JHP

01-16-2009, 10:05 AM

That detail seems to be completely overlooked by Jason defenders.

I wonder if the "Jason is not a suspect" call will come back to haunt?

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 10:13 AM

It might have something to do with her father being a SLAYER and her grandmother being a SLAYER's MOTHER.non sequitur

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 10:13 AM

I wonder if the "Jason is not a suspect" call will come back to haunt?Why would it?

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 10:30 AM

-Leanne

Thank you for your insight and candid responses.

Yes, at some point Cassidy may have a lot of questions for her father that start with 'why'. I don't know if he will fight for her or how he would ever explain it to her if he doesn't.

I can understand legal reason why he wouldn't, but can find no 'moral' ones.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 10:34 AM

Custer had a plan also.

:thumbsup:

Let's hope Jason's is more thought out.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 10:35 AM

He was friends with my older brother but he was over at the house a lot. I remember he invited me over to play Nintendo one day. I used to live out there where his mother lives.

Oh, I see.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 10:38 AM

daddydidit

01-16-2009, 01:07 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4329772/

Tia

01-16-2009, 01:26 PM

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4329772/

Sounds like Jason is scared of Judge Sasser.

5swab5

01-16-2009, 01:54 PM

Sounds like Jason is scared of Judge Sasser.

I don't think it makes any big difference.

Sooner or later, the slayer is going to HAVE to open his mouth.

OOPS!

MOO

freejason

01-16-2009, 02:06 PM

non sequitur

Incorrect, AE.

My remark was totally related to the previous comment that was quoted. What makes me think that CY is not being raised in a stable and loving home?

Because............her father is a SLAYER and her Grandmother is a SLAYER'S mother....................don't think that is very stable or loving, Do you?

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 02:30 PM

Sounds like Jason is scared of Judge Sasser.
Nah.

But now we know he does have an atty and he plans to fight the custody battle.

5swab5

01-16-2009, 02:38 PM

Nah.

But now we know he does have an atty and he plans to fight the custody battle.

Can't wait to hear what he and his psyche exam have to say.

MOO

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 02:53 PM

Sounds like Jason is scared of Judge Sasser.

I wondered why it was filed in Wake Co. to start off with. That's not where Cassidy and Jason live.

From the link above:
Young and his attorney, Alice Stubbs, have also filed a motion to dismiss the custody case in Wake County and move it to Transylvania or Henderson counties, where Young now resides with his daughter. That motion has not been heard.

I wonder when that motion will be heard and decided.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 02:54 PM

Can't wait to hear what he and his psyche exam have to say.

MOO
That's IF he is ordered to take one. And I don't think the results of the exam would be public info, anyway.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 02:55 PM

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 02:57 PM

Incorrect, AE.

My remark was totally related to the previous comment that was quoted. What makes me think that CY is not being raised in a stable and loving home?

Because............her father is a SLAYER and her Grandmother is a SLAYER'S mother....................don't think that is very stable or loving, Do you?

Get a dictionary, Brainiac.

Again, quoting from the link in previous post in regard to the WDs ruling,

Legal experts say the ruling has nothing to do with guilt or innocence but means Young won't be able to collect life insurance benefits from his wife.

Underlining mine for emphasis.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 03:00 PM

Alice Stubbs. Wasn't that the atty that got Nancy Cooper's parents custody of their grandchildren?

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 03:01 PM

That's IF he is ordered to take one. And I don't think the results of the exam would be public info, anyway.

I think you're right. It's the HIPPA thing. But Wake Co. NC does seem to change the laws when it suits them so nothing will surprise me now.

IMO

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 03:05 PM

Alice Stubbs. Wasn't that the atty that got Nancy Cooper's parents custody of their grandchildren?

Sounds familiar but I didn't follow the Cooper case much at all.

jerry50

01-16-2009, 03:14 PM

I wondered why it was filed in Wake Co. to start off with. That's not where Cassidy and Jason live.

From the link above:
Young and his attorney, Alice Stubbs, have also filed a motion to dismiss the custody case in Wake County and move it to Transylvania or Henderson counties, where Young now resides with his daughter. That motion has not been heard.

I wonder when that motion will be heard and decided.

I was thinking that the custody suit may have been filed in Wake Co because that is where JY owns property and that he was living in that county when the allegations listed in the suit occured. Also I wonder if he ever changed addresses on his driver's license which may be an indication of what he considered his home. Since he has been spending time at both his Mom's and Heather's he may not really have a permanent legal address.

kingbuff

01-16-2009, 03:17 PM

Incorrect, AE.

My remark was totally related to the previous comment that was quoted. What makes me think that CY is not being raised in a stable and loving home?

Because............her father is a SLAYER and her Grandmother is a SLAYER'S mother....................don't think that is very stable or loving, Do you?

Get a dictionary, Brainiac.

....and Linda is the mother-in-law of the so-called slayer....Meredith is the sister-in-law of the so-called slayer....don't think that is very stable or loving....do you?

5swab5

01-16-2009, 03:40 PM

....and Linda is the mother-in-law of the so-called slayer....Meredith is the sister-in-law of the so-called slayer....don't think that is very stable or loving....do you?

Seems to be a glitch in your reasoning powers.

Linda and Meredith are not blood relatives.

Pat on the other hand gave birth to and supposedly nurtured the SLAYER. Nice job Pat!

MOO

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 04:04 PM

I'm not sure that Linda filed in the wrong county:

http://www.ncfamilylaw.com/download/cstvis6.html

Q. Do I have to file for custody in North Carolina?
A. Not necessarily. While usually a custody suit is filed where the child is presently residing, a person can file an action involving custody of a minor child in the "home state" of the child (i.e., where the child has lived for the last six months) or in any state where the child and one parent have substantial and significant contacts and connections (such as former neighbors teachers, doctors, relatives and so on). If this would be in another state, you may file there.

I can understand people thinking badly of Alice Stubbs for taking this case on after representing the Rentz family but, in all honesty, that is the nature of the beast when practising law. You can't always only defend the good guys and, let's be honest, at the end of the day it will be better for Cassidy to know her dad engaged the services of a really good attorney to fight for her.

Of course, there is still a chance that Jason will only use Ms Stubbs to try to get the case thrown out of Sasser's Court on the jurisdiction question and he may use the extra time allowed to respond to try to come to some arrangement with Linda and Meredith with regard to them having visitation with Cassidy.

I am, however, happy that he retained a good attorney at this stage because I did have very strong doubts as to whether he would or not. I'm disappointed though that it is going to take longer than we anticipated to see a conclusion to this particular stage.

5swab5

01-16-2009, 04:11 PM

Glitch? There's an understatement, Swabby. Wonder if Social Services will be called in to see the home environment that Cassidy has been subjected to the past two years? Not very stable, questionable visitors. Moving from Raleigh to her aunt's, then to her grandmother's. No idea where Jason may decide to move her next. The Fishers would offer her a permanent, stable, and loving home. No wondering what tomorrow would bring.

Hi Wyn,
If the reports that have been released so far are accurate? Any presiding judge is going to see right through the COV motion.

Jason just wants it out of Raleigh. Goodness, they couldn't even decide on ONE County. What does that say about stability? Shot himself in the foot with that one.

Poor little nomadic Cassidy.

MOO

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 04:13 PM

Seems to be a glitch in your reasoning powers.

Linda and Meredith are not blood relatives.

Pat on the other hand gave birth to and supposedly nurtured the SLAYER. Nice job Pat!

MOO

Swabby, in all fairness, I don't think Pat is to blame for nurturing a SLAYER. One can be a good parent and a child can still do horrendous things. I certainly find some of Pat's actions deplorable but cannot blame her for rearing a murderer - someone had to.

I don't know if you are a mom but, if you are, and your child turned out to be a drug addict, would it be your fault? Of course not, unless you introduced your child to drugs.

I'm sure Pat loves Jason as much as any of us mothers love our kids and, if and when Jason is convicted, I'm sure she'll still love him while hating his actions. That is the nature of the beast when one is a mother, imo. She is seeing Jason through rose tinted glasses no doubt and I think that is a very natural reaction for a mother. I bet she is terrified of the thought that custody of Cassidy could go to Linda because she knows how Linda and Meredith have been treated for 2+ years and is probably scared the tables might be about to be turned.

5swab5

01-16-2009, 04:16 PM

5swab5

01-16-2009, 04:24 PM

Swabby, in all fairness, I don't think Pat is to blame for nurturing a SLAYER. One can be a good parent and a child can still do horrendous things. I certainly find some of Pat's actions deplorable but cannot blame her for rearing a murderer - someone had to.

I don't know if you are a mom but, if you are, and your child turned out to be a drug addict, would it be your fault? Of course not, unless you introduced your child to drugs.

I'm sure Pat loves Jason as much as any of us mothers love our kids and, if and when Jason is convicted, I'm sure she'll still love him while hating his actions. That is the nature of the beast when one is a mother, imo. She is seeing Jason through rose tinted glasses no doubt and I think that is a very natural reaction for a mother. I bet she is terrified of the thought that custody of Cassidy could go to Linda because she knows how Linda and Meredith have been treated for 2+ years and is probably scared the tables might be about to be turned.

Sorry, but I cannot garner any sympathy whatsoever for any grandmother that would allow the return of the other grandmother's BD and Christmas presents to her own grandchild. Let alone sanction the very limited visitation that Linda has been afforded since Michelle's murder.

Pat has chosen to harbor a slayer. It is past time that the tables are turned for Cassidy's well-being. Pat made her bed, let her lie in it.

MOO

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 04:28 PM

Nah.

But now we know he does have an atty and he plans to fight the custody battle.

Yep, and he does have a plan!!
I knew it!!
Good for you, Jason!!

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 04:33 PM

I wondered why it was filed in Wake Co. to start off with. That's not where Cassidy and Jason live.

From the link above:
Young and his attorney, Alice Stubbs, have also filed a motion to dismiss the custody case in Wake County and move it to Transylvania or Henderson counties, where Young now resides with his daughter. That motion has not been heard.

I wonder when that motion will be heard and decided.

Hi Lin,
I remember when you asked that originally.
Good question!!
Now, let's see what happens.
At least, he bought himself some time.
This is good !!
I thought there might be a delay or continuance, but no one else
liked that idea!!
Post 206 !!
:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 04:40 PM

5swab5

01-16-2009, 04:54 PM

Hi Lin,
I remember when you asked that originally.
Good question!!
Now, let's see what happens.
At least, he bought himself some time.
This is good !!
I thought there might be a delay or continuance, but no one else
liked that idea!!
Post 206 !!
:)

Kat

What's a few more days? At least we will finally get to hear the mute one in Court.

More time may mean nothing anyway. We waited a long time for him to erect a headstone for his son, that never happened.

MOO

5swab5

01-16-2009, 04:57 PM

She is a partner at Tharrington~Smith since 2006, after she completed 8 years as a Wake County District Court Judge.!!

I am so glad that Jason stepped up and sought counsel and filed the necessary motions, and that he will fight for C!!

::yay:: icon

Kat

She is just a typical lawyer. Fights for whoever has the money.

She represented Nancy Cooper's parents in their custody battle and won for them.

I have to wonder if her heart is really in this one.

MOO

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:03 PM

What's a few more days? At least we will finally get to hear the mute one in Court.

More time may mean nothing anyway. We waited a long time for him to erect a headstone for his son, that never happened.

MOO

No, this means a lot!!

It means Jason loves C enough to put his life on the line for her.!!

It shows he cares enough about someone besides himself, which
is the exact opposite of what people like to post about him!!

It means that when he called C the center of his life, he meant it.!!

And, you may see it as just a few more days or that he bought some time, but I see it as a man who finally stepped up and took action when it was the right thing to do.

And, it means that anyone defending him still has hope.

:)

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:06 PM

Glitch? There's an understatement, Swabby. Wonder if Social Services will be called in to see the home environment that Cassidy has been subjected to the past two years? Not very stable, questionable visitors. Moving from Raleigh to her aunt's, then to her grandmother's. No idea where Jason may decide to move her next. The Fishers would offer her a permanent, stable, and loving home. No wondering what tomorrow would bring.

How would they offer her a more permanent stable home when one lives in NY and the other lives in a home purchased by someone else?

Thanxx.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:08 PM

She is just a typical lawyer. Fights for whoever has the money.

She represented Nancy Cooper's parents in their custody battle and won for them.

I have to wonder if her heart is really in this one.

MOO

I know, I am reading about her now.
I am just glad he is going to fight.
That's all I wanted him to do.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:10 PM

Kat,
Jason didn't step up to nothing so please stop trying to give him all the glory if anything he was forced into doing this. Any Father that had half a brain would fight for there child don't ya think? He has never even helped try to find the killer of his wife and child why didn't he step up on that one.:cursing::shrug:

Breeze,
Cause most everyone else thought he would put himself first and be a no~show at the custody hearing.

But,that is not the case, and he hired someone to rep him , and he will fight for his daughter.

That means something to me.

Kat

5swab5

01-16-2009, 05:16 PM

No, this means a lot!!

It means Jason loves C enough to put his life on the line for her.!!

It shows he cares enough about someone besides himself, which
is the exact opposite of what people like to post about him!!

It means that when he called C the center of his life, he meant it.!!

And, you may see it as just a few more days or that he bought some time, but I see it as a man who finally stepped up and took action when it was the right thing to do.

And, it means that anyone defending him still has hope.

:)

Kat

It means nothing of the kind, it means instead of taking care of business, he procrastinated until his Attorney was forced to ask for an extension. Must have taken some real thought about turning loose of the dough to try and keep Cassidy.

Jason has risked NOTHING, he hasn't answered Linda's suit, he has only avoided a default judgment. Talk to me about the caped wonder, after he actually opens his mouth to keep Cassidy.

MOO

Only the select few, that can manage to wear blinders and rose colored glasses simultaneously, could possibly still have hope.

JHP

01-16-2009, 05:17 PM

What's a few more days? At least we will finally get to hear the mute one in Court.

More time may mean nothing anyway. We waited a long time for him to erect a headstone for his son, that never happened.

MOO

Maybe.... I think they are just trying to get this to another county. I don't know if Jason will have to talk for that hearing. I think the Fishers attorneys are quite good and probably prepared for this. I have no doubt that Alice Stubbs is a good attorney also.
I am relieved that Jason did at least do something with the courts. I was afraid he might take Cassidy and run, or worse.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 05:19 PM

Breeze,
Cause most everyone else thought he would put himself first and be a no~show at the custody hearing.

But,that is not the case, and he hired someone to rep him , and he will fight for his daughter.

That means something to me.

Kat

Kat, we don't know that for sure. He may well have engaged the services of Ms Stubbs to gain extra time and to try for a COV. Only time will tell. I wouldn't be surprised if some hard core negotiation is going on right now between JY's and Linda's attorneys for JY to afford Linda visitation in exchange for her dropping the custody application. Because he's engaged counsel right now, doesn't mean she will actually represent him at the hearing. This may well be a stalling tactic, imo and is a very common practice.

5swab5

01-16-2009, 05:20 PM

How would they offer her a more permanent stable home when one lives in NY and the other lives in a home purchased by someone else?

Thanxx.

Kat

Last time I checked, Jason doesn't have Cassidy in a home of her own.

She was in his sister's house, until the new baby came along and they were booted to Pat's house.

Think that is stable?

Wonder what Cassidy thinks? Mommie dies, I move. New baby comes...I move. I would be surprised if she sleeps through the night.

MOO

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 05:39 PM

Yep, and he does have a plan!!
I knew it!!
Good for you, Jason!!

Kat
I was very surprised he took action.

But then I thought about the stategy....if the WDS ruling is accepted as a matter of fact that Jason killed Michelle as far as the custody suit is concerned......then no questions about the murder can be posed to Jason by the plaintiffs.

And if asked any questions about the murder, the respondent can refer the court to the WDS ruling and claim 'no personal knowledge' about the matter for which to offer testimony. Or they can argue the questions are irrelevant since the matter has already been accepted as fact by the court.

It would be no different than WD suits where the court accepts the criminal conviction as a matter of fact and the defendant is not deposed/examined about the matter.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:40 PM

It means nothing of the kind, it means instead of taking care of business, he procrastinated until his Attorney was forced to ask for an extension. Must have taken some real thought about turning loose of the dough to try and keep Cassidy.

Jason has risked NOTHING, he hasn't answered Linda's suit, he has only avoided a default judgment. Talk to me about the caped wonder, after he actually opens his mouth to keep Cassidy.

MOO

Only the select few, that can manage to wear blinders and rose colored glasses simultaneously, could possibly still have hope.

Okay, that's a deal, that is fair.

But, give Jason some credit for stepping up to bat.

Can you imagine what this Board would be like today, it he failed to answer at all?

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 05:42 PM

Sorry, but I cannot garner any sympathy whatsoever for any grandmother that would allow the return of the other grandmother's BD and Christmas presents to her own grandchild. Let alone sanction the very limited visitation that Linda has been afforded since Michelle's murder.

Pat has chosen to harbor a slayer. It is past time that the tables are turned for Cassidy's well-being. Pat made her bed, let her lie in it.

MOO

I agree with your thoughts re: the presents and visitation. However, having had countless arguments over the years with parents who just could not or would not see the culpability of their children's roles in crimes, I can understand a mother feeling that her child is innocent and being railroaded (OMG, there's that word again). We don't know what BS JY has fed his family and, maybe, they honestly cannot comprehend that he was capable of murder. If that is the case, I can see how Pat could feel contempt and possibly hatred for Linda.

Don't get me wrong, I want Cassidy to go to Linda because I do feel that Linda has proved to be a damn good mother and Cassidy deserves the best and most secure upbringing possible which I don't feel she'll get being brought up by the Young family.

She deserves a permanent home, be it in Sayville or NC, with her own bedroom and not to be used as a pawn in her father's online attempts at finding romance. Add to that, she doesn't deserve to be exposed to the people (alleged friends of Jasons) who have tried their utmost to paint Linda and Meredith in a disgusting manner online for 2+ years now. Those same people who take umbridge to anything said about Jason and his kin which we have deduced through their actions. It is m.o. that both Linda and Meredith have behaved in a very classy way since Michelle's murder - contrary to the other parties involved.

Poor little Cassidy - deprived of her home because her mom and brother were murdered and then, with the arrival of another child, again deprived of her home at Heather's house. It probably doesn't have a great psychological impact on her now but I have no doubt it will have when she is old enough to sit down and analyse all these events with a mature attitude. If Jason loved his child as much as he professes, he should have thought his actions through a whole lot better.

ETA: I can't believe people are giving Jason kudos for asking for an extension and COV yet castigate Linda for not doing anything about Cassidy' s custody earlier. Linda was under no obligation to do anything yet Jason, by virtue of his position as her father, had every obligation to do what is right for her. Guess I'm not surprised - anything to make Jason look good even if it is at the expense of a grieving mother, imo.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:45 PM

Kat, we don't know that for sure. He may well have engaged the services of Ms Stubbs to gain extra time and to try for a COV. Only time will tell. I wouldn't be surprised if some hard core negotiation is going on right now between JY's and Linda's attorneys for JY to afford Linda visitation in exchange for her dropping the custody application. Because he's engaged counsel right now, doesn't mean she will actually represent him at the hearing. This may well be a stalling tactic, imo and is a very common practice.

Maybe so, doomed slayers!!

But, there is so much more to it.

It means that the custody case has come before a Judge and that they aware of the tug of war that is going to commence for C.

And,more importantly, it means that no one in the legal system is all that worried about C, or she would be removed today, if that were the case.!!

It means that all the pics we see of C, growing up nicely. smiling, laughing, shows a well adjusted child reflecting the care of Jason and the Youngs.

It shows there was no emergency hearing held for removal of a child from a slayer..

That the courts find her to be safe for at least another 30 days!!

And, it shows the character of one Jason Lynn Young.
Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 05:48 PM

I was very surprised he took action.

But then I thought about the stategy....if the WDS ruling is accepted as a matter of fact that Jason killed Michelle as far as the custody suit is concerned......then no questions about the murder can be posed to Jason by the plaintiffs.

And if asked any questions about the murder, the respondent can refer the court to the WDS ruling and claim 'no personal knowledge' about the matter for which to offer testimony. Or they can argue the questions are irrelevant since the matter has already been accepted as fact by the court.

It would be no different than WD suits where the court accepts the criminal conviction as a matter of fact and the defendant is not deposed/examined about the matter.

And, this is why I am so very glad you are here!!
:)
Kat

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 06:02 PM

Maybe so, doomed slayers!!

But, there is so much more to it.

It means that the custody case has come before a Judge and that they aware of the tug of war that is going to commence for C.

And,more importantly, it means that no one in the legal system is all that worried about C, or she would be removed today, if that were the case.!!

It means that all the pics we see of C, growing up nicely. smiling, laughing, shows a well adjusted child reflecting the care of Jason and the Youngs.

It shows there was no emergency hearing held for removal of a child from a slayer..

That the courts find her to be safe for at least another 30 days!!

And, it shows the character of one Jason Lynn Young.
Kat

I guess, whatever side of the fence you're on, you can spin it to your advantage.

Just because a case comes before the Court, does not mean that anyone feels Cassidy is or is not in danger. You seem to think one just has to alledge that a child is in danger and they will be removed from their custodial parent - doesn't work that way.

Nothing proves that Cassidy is "growing up nicely, smiling, laughing, shows a well adjusted child reflecting the care of Jason and the Youngs" because an extension was granted to the slayer. That is a common legal courtesy.

Nobody, to my knowledge, ever said there was an emergency hearing was held for the removal of Cassidy. If Linda or her attorneys felt Cassidy was in imminent danger, an Ex Parte Application would have been brought, imo.

The Courts did not grant a further 30 day extension. Linda, the money hungry, attempted child stealing grandmother did.

I don't see how this is any indication of Jason's character. All he has done at this point in time is to try to thwart a resolution of this case for 30 days. Let's see what happens next.

achristie

01-16-2009, 06:35 PM

I know, I am reading about her now.
I am just glad he is going to fight.
That's all I wanted him to do.

Kat

Really? Why?

Cardinal

01-16-2009, 06:53 PM

Maybe.... I think they are just trying to get this to another county. I don't know if Jason will have to talk for that hearing. I think the Fishers attorneys are quite good and probably prepared for this. I have no doubt that Alice Stubbs is a good attorney also.
I am relieved that Jason did at least do something with the courts. I was afraid he might take Cassidy and run, or worse.

I was concerned about that too, JHP. I'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will know her father stepped up.

It looks like motions could tie this up for a while. And it wouldn't surprise me to see the COV happen.

If the DA were counting on this to get a deposition from Jason, he may have to wait a while longer.

JMO

Cardinal

01-16-2009, 06:55 PM

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:04 PM

I was concerned about that too, JHP. I'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will know her father stepped up.

It looks like motions could tie this up for a while. And it wouldn't surprise me to see the COV happen.

If the DA were counting on this to get a deposition from Jason, he may have to wait a while longer.

JMO

Yep, he did, and while this is far from a victory of any kind, at least we know Jason's intentions will be to fight for C!!

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 07:06 PM

I agree with your take on this, Leanne. It wouldn't surprise me to see a settlement agreement reached.

Card, I'm not sure that Linda will be happy with visitation because, let's face it, she certainly can't trust Jason too much right now. I think right now Jason is thinking about self preservation first and I think he thinks this ensures a minimum of 30 more days freedom. BC was arrested shortly after he gave his deposition and I honestly think that Colin Willoughby will hold off with an indictment until he has an opportunity to review JY's deposition. Unfortunately, I don't think a deposition is on the cards any time too soon.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:12 PM

I guess, whatever side of the fence you're on, you can spin it to your advantage.

I don't see how this is any indication of Jason's character. All he has done at this point in time is to try to thwart a resolution of this case for 30 days. Let's see what happens next.

<snipped for reply>

You are right about this only being an extension, but it is nice to know Jason is accepting responsibilty for being a parent and protecting his daughter.

I wouldn't expect anything less of him..

And, I would have called him on it.

Promise.

Kat

Cardinal

01-16-2009, 07:12 PM

Yep, he did, and while this is far from a victory of any kind, at least we know Jason's intentions will be to fight for C!!

Kat

Kat, honestly, I don't see a victory in any of this. Michelle was brutally murdered, her husband doesn't seem inclined to demonstrate he cares about that, and Cassidy is a victim in the worst sense of the word in this whole mess.

IMO, this is a lose-lose situation no matter how you look at it.

JMO

BiggerRedDog

01-16-2009, 07:13 PM

I was concerned about that too, JHP. I'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will know her father stepped up.
It looks like motions could tie this up for a while. And it wouldn't surprise me to see the COV happen.
If the DA were counting on this to get a deposition from Jason, he may have to wait a while longer.
JMOI'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will also know her mother's family stepped up too, both since her mother's murder and, more recently, legally as well.

Cardinal

01-16-2009, 07:15 PM

Card, I'm not sure that Linda will be happy with visitation because, let's face it, she certainly can't trust Jason too much right now. I think right now Jason is thinking about self preservation first and I think he thinks this ensures a minimum of 30 more days freedom. BC was arrested shortly after he gave his deposition and I honestly think that Colin Willoughby will hold off with an indictment until he has an opportunity to review JY's deposition. Unfortunately, I don't think a deposition is on the cards any time too soon.

No, I don't think Linda can trust Jason right now, but at least there is court oversight involved. And whether or not that means anything to Jason, I think it means something to Pat. In fact, I think Pat is the driving force behind today's actions.

And I agree - I don't think a deposition is in sight at the moment. So what will Willoughby do?

Cardinal

01-16-2009, 07:17 PM

I'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will also know her mother's family stepped up too, both since her mother's murder and, more recently, legally as well.

I agree with that, too. If anyone on the face of this earth deserves to know she's loved and wanted, that little girl does. By BOTH of her families, regardless of anything else.

JMO

ETA: Goodnight, everyone. :seeya:

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:26 PM

Card, I'm not sure that Linda will be happy with visitation because, let's face it, she certainly can't trust Jason too much right now. I think right now Jason is thinking about self preservation first and I think he thinks this ensures a minimum of 30 more days freedom. BC was arrested shortly after he gave his deposition and I honestly think that Colin Willoughby will hold off with an indictment until he has an opportunity to review JY's deposition. Unfortunately, I don't think a deposition is on the cards any time too soon.

Jason has never run away , he moved back home, and L E knows his whereabouts.

I would imagine that this was not the outcome L E wanted today, but hey, after 26 and 1/2 months, what is another 30 days?

I do not think this case will end up in any way like the Cooper case, you can not compare indictments or lack of indictments or the timing of arrests or non arrests.

The Cooper case had enough evidence to make an arrest after only 4 months, this one clearly did not.

My comparison to the Cooper case was that the children were removed quickly by their grandparents because they feared for their safety, and acted on their behalf.

This also did not happen here.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:31 PM

I'm glad for Cassidy that, when she's old enough to understand all this, she will also know her mother's family stepped up too, both since her mother's murder and, more recently, legally as well.

But, but, but the Fishers did not step up for 2 whole years.

Jason and the Youngs have been taking care of C every single day!!

Day care, activities, church, etc, etc, making sure all her needs were met and trying to make her life as normal as possible under the circumstances.

And, they are doing a great job!!

Kat

Tia

01-16-2009, 07:33 PM

Yep, he did, and while this is far from a victory of any kind, at least we know Jason's intentions will be to fight for C!!

Kat

Jason has no other options. Don't be deluded into thinking he is "fighting for Cassidy".

He needs to respond in some way, shape or form, or risk having to talk and/or lose Cassidy.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:36 PM

:rolleyes:

Somebody was planning on moving. Not that hard to figure out.

Hope that helps. :biggrin:

Which one, and why not move before now, so residence for both is in NC...

One big happy family, together again, MF and L F , right??

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:37 PM

Jason has no other options. Don't be deluded into thinking he is "fighting for Cassidy".

He needs to respond in some way, shape or form, or risk having to talk and/or lose Cassidy.

Why?
He did not respond to the WDS.
He had the same choice here, too.

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 07:43 PM

Jason has never run away , he moved back home, and L E knows his whereabouts.

I would imagine that this was not the outcome L E wanted today, but hey, after 26 and 1/2 months, what is another 30 days?

I do not think this case will end up in any way like the Cooper case, you can not compare indictments or lack of indictments or the timing of arrests or non arrests.

The Cooper case had enough evidence to make an arrest after only 4 months, this one clearly did not.

My comparison to the Cooper case was that the children were removed quickly by their grandparents because they feared for their safety, and acted on their behalf.

This also did not happen here.

Kat

I never said Jason ran away but, now that you mention it, he did beat a hasty retreat from Raleigh.

I don't think it is wrong to compare when arrests took place. I don't believe LE has more evidence against BC than they have against JY - from what we know anyway. It stands to reason that with an arrest not having been made to date, imo, Colin Willoughby will wait until Jason has given a deposition or sees that Jason is never going to talk. He may just glean a tidbit of information he can use to his advantage if Jason is deposed . He'd be absolutely remiss if there are any holes in his case if he doesn't.

Obviously the Rentz's were worried about their g/children's safety as BC had alledgedly attempted suicide in the past and had recently suggested it again. The possibility of a murder suicide might well have been a possibility.

Linda, not making application for Cassidy immediately imo, has her reasons. Unfortunately NC law does not make it easy or even very likely for a transfer of custody unless there are extremely exigent circumstances. I do believe the last thing Linda needed was for Jason to be declared the slayer of Michelle. I also think that by Linda affording Jason 2 years to claim the LIP, she afforded him ample opportunity to step up to the plate to secure Cassidy's future security. Quite clearly, Jason has been found lacking in many areas.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:45 PM

Thanks for giving me one last laugh before I signed off. "And, they are doing a great job!!" Like you would have a clue. She may cry herself to sleep every night wondering why her mommy is gone. You have no idea what her life is like.

I don't think her pics lie, and I would imagine the day care center or anyone else involved outside of her home life, would report anything out of the normal to the proper agencies.

I am sure she has a family doctor and I think it was posted she receives or received counselling.

Looks like a pretty happy little girl to me, again, under the circumstances.

Do you not wish her to be happy?
That is sad.

:(

Kat

jerry50

01-16-2009, 07:46 PM

You are right about this only being an extension, but it is nice to know Jason is accepting responsibilty for being a parent and protecting his daughter.

I wouldn't expect anything less of him..

And, I would have called him on it.

Promise.

Kat

Until I see JY in a court of law answering questions then I would say he is accepting responsibility. For all we know it was Pat who hired the attorney.
If JY was really interested in ending this custody suit he would not have asked for an extension or COV. He would be stepping up to the plate now. He knows if the accusations that Linda has against him are true or not. If they are not true then get to court to refute them. If he is the ideal dad then he should already be out there fighting against the falsehoods that are arrayed against him.

Tia

01-16-2009, 07:47 PM

Why?
He did not respond to the WDS.
He had the same choice here, too.

Kat

IMO, this is not about Cassidy. He has done so little for Michelle and Rylan, why should he worry about Cassidy? She is just a pawn. Plus, I don't think Pat Young could forgive him if he let Cassidy go simply because he didn't respond.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Quite clearly, Jason has been found lacking in many areas.
<snipped for response>

But, not enough to have said child removed.
And, not enough to have said slayer arrested.

Kat

Tia

01-16-2009, 07:48 PM

Until I see JY in a court of law answering questions then I would say he is accepting responsibility. For all we know it was Pat who hired the attorney.
If JY was really interested in ending this custody suit he would not have asked for an extension or COV. He would be stepping up to the plate now. He knows if the accusations that Linda has against him are true or not. If they are not true then get to court to refute them. If he is the ideal dad then he should already be out there fighting against the falsehoods that are arrayed against him.

:thumbsup:

You said it much better than I did!

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 07:49 PM

Why?
He did not respond to the WDS.
He had the same choice here, too.

Kat

We all know that Kim reads (and possibly posts) on various message boards and I'm sure she has conveyed to Jason just how bad the perception of him failing to respond to the WDS is. No doubt this was conveyed to Pat too, who understandably probably, is most unhappy about the public perception of her son's failure to defend himself.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:51 PM

Tia

01-16-2009, 07:54 PM

But, not enough to have said child removed.
And, not enough to have said slayer arrested.

Kat

Not yet anyway.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 07:56 PM

We all know that Kim reads (and possibly posts) on various message boards and I'm sure she has conveyed to Jason just how bad the perception of him failing to respond to the WDS is. No doubt this was conveyed to Pat too, who understandably probably, is most unhappy about the public perception of her son's failure to defend himself.

Whoa, and we all know how much value Jason put into that, he said he didn't care what was being written or said about him, remember?

Do you honestly think a response or delay was asked for, so he could please some strangers and/or change minds cause of public perception on a message board?

Jason is following his attorney's advice and it may very well be they just need more time to plan their strategy...

Whatever it is, he responded...

Kat

BiggerRedDog

01-16-2009, 07:57 PM

But, but, but the Fishers did not step up for 2 whole years.
Jason and the Youngs have been taking care of C every single day!!
Day care, activities, church, etc, etc, making sure all her needs were met and trying to make her life as normal as possible under the circumstances.
And, they are doing a great job!!
Kat
But, but, but despite Jason's efforts (and those of his family, apparently) to the contrary, Linda and Meredith Fisher did the best they could to maintain contact and their bond with their granddaughter and niece. They sent gifts (which Jason apparently refused), they held memorials, they cooperated with LE, they installed a headstone for Michelle and Rylan at the cemetery.
I am sure, given the chance, Linda and Meredith could have contributed to that little girl's life, in cooperation with Jason and his family, in a very important and irreplaceable way. I think Cassidy will have some pretty hard hitting questions about that, in time.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 07:58 PM

But, not enough to have said child removed.
And, not enough to have said slayer arrested.

Kat

Kat, when are you going to understand you can't just remove a child?

When to arrest someone is an entirely different story - just remember Jason has never spoken to LE to give them any answers to the most basic questions which are usually at LE's fingertips from day one. That is the only good thing he's done for himself from day one and, as per usual, with only his own interests at heart. Never once in 26 months has he shown any love, care or concern for Michelle and Rylan which leads me to think her life must have been pretty damn awful and makes the speculation that the motive for this murder may well have been that she wanted a divorce which just didn't suit Jason at the time. He has given LE and the DA a giant jigsaw puzzle with no picture from which to assemble it. I guess he's probably proud of himself about now.

Tia

01-16-2009, 08:02 PM

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 08:03 PM

Whoa, and we all know how much value Jason put into that, he said he didn't care what was being written or said about him, remember?

Do you honestly think a response or delay was asked for, so he could please some strangers and/or change minds cause of public perception on a message board?

Jason is following his attorney's advice and it may very well be they just need more time to plan their strategy...

Whatever it is, he responded...

Kat

Jason may not care directly but I'm prepared to bet Pat does. Word has it that this is the talk of Transylvania. Pat still has to live there and, from what I gather, her image in the community if quite important to her.

Their defense to Linda's application should be the truth and should not involve some huge strategy that needs 60 day's preparation.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:12 PM

Not yet anyway.

Maybe , not ever.

Kat

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 08:13 PM

Linda is getting the "slayer" to go before a judge and talk.

He can't hide anymore, he has to defend himself now. He has no choice.

Linda and Meredith have done, IMO, a better job of getting him to talk that LE has been able to do.

:thumbsup:

I don't know tia.

If Sasser ruled the WD suit ruling is sufficient to prove the murder allegation in the pleading, there will be no reason for the plaintiffs or the court to question Jason about it. It will be an established fact.

Instead, they will have to prove it is in Cassidy's best interest to live with them and not her father.

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:16 PM

No, this means a lot!!

It means Jason loves C enough to put his life on the line for her.!!

It shows he cares enough about someone besides himself, which
is the exact opposite of what people like to post about him!!

It means that when he called C the center of his life, he meant it.!!

And, you may see it as just a few more days or that he bought some time, but I see it as a man who finally stepped up and took action when it was the right thing to do.

And, it means that anyone defending him still has hope.

:)

Kat

I think it means that Jason was served and he must respond, even if it is nothing more than an acknowledgment of his duty to respond. He had a choice of appearing unrepresented, or having a lawyer appear on his behalf. Seems he chose the latter. We have yet to see what he has to say, so I wouldn't get too excited about him opting to have a lawyer appear on his behalf.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:17 PM

Hi Kat I'm not understanding what this custody suit has to do with LE. Do you think LE is waiting for JY to make a statement hoping he will confess to killing his wife? Maybe they think he will make inconsistent statements but that shouldn't bother LE since MF made 3 in the warrants. They should know by now just because someone can't remember a story doesn't make them guilty of murder. I looked up the reasons for a COV . Would the fact that its been said on here several times that JY is afraid of the judge count? Would it count that the lead det. in the murder case is friends with one of the plaintiffs? How about he hasn't lived in that County for over 2 years?

http://apps.leg.wa.gov/RCW/default.aspx?cite=4.12.030

Hi Confused:

All it says to me, is that if L E needs the ruling on a wds suit or custody suit battle to further their case, good luck!!

Why would Jason be scared of a Judge?

He doesn't look scared or worried in his Puerto Rico pics, does he?

Have faith!!

Oh, yeah those pesky keys and the missing rings, again!

Kat

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:21 PM

How would they offer her a more permanent stable home when one lives in NY and the other lives in a home purchased by someone else?

Thanxx.

Kat

Living in a house purchased by someone else. Wow. I think they call that a rental in most parts of the country. Do you think there's something weird about people living in rentals?

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:22 PM

I think it means that Jason was served and he must respond, even if it is nothing more than an acknowledgment of his duty to respond. He had a choice of appearing unrepresented, or having a lawyer appear on his behalf. Seems he chose the latter. We have yet to see what he has to say, so I wouldn't get too excited about him opting to have a lawyer appear on his behalf.

But, he was also served with a wrongful death suit too.

He chose to ignore that one.

This one, he will address, which shows what is and isn't all that important to him.

His daughter is top priority, as it very well should be.

Kat

Tia

01-16-2009, 08:22 PM

I don't know tia.

If Sasser ruled the WD suit ruling is sufficient to prove the murder allegation in the pleading, there will be no reason for the plaintiffs or the court to question Jason about it. It will be an established fact.

Instead, they will have to prove it is in Cassidy's best interest to live with them and not her father.

Unless I am reading your post wrong, wouldn't the ruling make it all the easier for the Fisher's to gain custody of Cassidy from Jason?

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:23 PM

Living in a house purchased by someone else. Wow. I think they call that a rental in most parts of the country. Do you think there's something weird about people living in rentals?

Absolulely not, but she is "renting" from her Mom.

:)
Kat

Tia

01-16-2009, 08:23 PM

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:25 PM

Absolulely not, but she is "renting" from her Mom.

:)
Kat

So what. What's the problem with someone living in a rental owned either by family or stranger? What is your point?

Tia

01-16-2009, 08:27 PM

So what. What's the problem with someone living in a rental owned either by family or stranger? What is your point?

When you consider Jason has no home to speak of, I don't understand the point here either.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:27 PM

Kat! Then you are saying that Michelle and Rylan were of NO importance to him!

I think we are better than that.

Kat

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:29 PM

But, he was also served with a wrongful death suit too.

He chose to ignore that one.

This one, he will address, which shows what is and isn't all that important to him.

His daughter is top priority, as it very well should be.

Kat

All we know is that a lawyer will appear in court on his behalf. I suppose the alternative would be a public notice notifying him that he had lost custody. I'm looking forward to hearing what the lawyer has to say.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:29 PM

So what. What's the problem with someone living in a rental owned either by family or stranger? What is your point?

Will it show stability?

Jason's wife was murdered, his life was turned upside down, he did the only thing he could, he moved home to be near family for comfort and support..he has a child that needed to be taken care of.

How do you compare the two?

Kat

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:31 PM

When you consider Jason has no home to speak of, I don't understand the point here either.

Exactly. Jason has been freeloading off whatever relative would tolerate him for the last couple of years. There's hardly room to criticize someone that has a home because that person is renting.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:32 PM

Exactly. Jason has been freeloading off whatever relative would tolerate him for the last couple of years. There's hardly room to criticize someone that has a home because that person is renting.

How do we know who is paying rent and who isn't?
Kat

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:35 PM

Will it show stability?

Jason's wife was murdered, his life was turned upside down, he did the only thing he could, he moved home to be near family for comfort and support..he has a child that needed to be taken care of.

How do you compare the two?

Kat

Since when was it Jason's only option to sell his house, quit his job, and haul is daughter out of her community? Has Jason never heard of nannies, daycare, and babysitters? Has he never heard of counseling to assist with the mourning process? Jason had plenty of options, he chose to return to his childhood home rather than continue as an independent, contributing member of society.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 08:36 PM

Unless I am reading your post wrong, wouldn't the ruling make it all the easier for the Fisher's to gain custody of Cassidy from Jason?It would make the court rule in 'the best interest of the child'.

In re Nolen, 117 N.C. App. 693, 700, 453 S.E.2d 220, 225 (1995) (holding that the trial judge is not required to terminate a parent's rights even though grounds for termination are found to exist; if the best interest of the child requires that the parent's rights not be terminated, the court must dismiss the petition
http://caselaw.lp.findlaw.com/scripts/getcase.pl?court=nc&vol=appeals97%5Cappeals0902%5C&invol=in_re_hunt

Jester

01-16-2009, 08:36 PM

How do we know who is paying rent and who isn't?
Kat

Maybe Meredith inherited the majority of the house and is slowly paying of the remaining amount. Is that a problem as well?

achristie

01-16-2009, 08:39 PM

Whoa, and we all know how much value Jason put into that, he said he didn't care what was being written or said about him, remember?

Do you honestly think a response or delay was asked for, so he could please some strangers and/or change minds cause of public perception on a message board?

Jason is following his attorney's advice and it may very well be they just need more time to plan their strategy...

Whatever it is, he responded...

Kat

So his analysis at being deemed a "slayer" has little value ? Do you realize that it holds more weight than is written or said about him? Have you made that connection? I'm convinced that you haven't made that leap. Not that I care because your thoughts don't matter, no disrespect intended. Just thinking you haven't computed the seriousness of the charge. After all these months one would think you would grasp the seriousness of the case. Once again, no disrespect intended. I'm speechless.

MOO Aggie

Tia

01-16-2009, 08:40 PM

Will it show stability?

Jason's wife was murdered, his life was turned upside down, he did the only thing he could, he moved home to be near family for comfort and support..he has a child that needed to be taken care of.

How do you compare the two?

Kat

Easy. He could have collected on the LI Policy if here were innocent and wasn't afraid to talk. He could have purchased his own home near his family.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 08:43 PM

Since when was it Jason's only option to sell his house, quit his job, and haul is daughter out of her community? Has Jason never heard of nannies, daycare, and babysitters? Has he never heard of counseling to assist with the mourning process? Jason had plenty of options, he chose to return to his childhood home rather than continue as an independent, contributing member of society.
Oh good grief, Cassidy was 3 years old when Jason moved them to Brevard. She had no 'community'.

One of the Feb warrants had Cassidy's therapy notes in the list of items seized.

He is well within his rights to move back to Brevard to be with and near his family. It's not like it's a crime even tho some are bent on making it a federal case or some sign of weakness. It's pathetic, really. There are stories all over America of moms and/or dads moving back in with their parents with their children in tow.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:45 PM

Wait, something was posted earlier that I am not sure is correct.

That L F personally granted Jason the delay?

I am not understanding that, I thought the courts did.

:confused:

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:46 PM

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 08:47 PM

Easy. He could have collected on the LI Policy if here were innocent and wasn't afraid to talk. He could have purchased his own home near his family.It's my understanding that if not collecting the LI money was done on advice of counsel, it can't be used against him.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 08:47 PM

What the hell difference does it make that Meredith is living in Linda's home? Even if she is living there rent free, she is living an independent lifestyle, paying her own living expenses I'd assume which is more than Jason is doing. Bear in mind that Jason had had the luxury of living in a 2 income family for some time and had assets as well as access to a million dollars, had he been man enough to claim same. He is excused for not doing anything, yet when Linda and Meredith try to do the right thing by Cassidy they are looked down upon. I just do not understand people's thinking.

Not a single warrant has been directed toward Meredith yet she is scrutinized as if there is more circumstantial evidence against her than JY. Just doesn't make sense to me.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 08:47 PM

Maybe Meredith inherited the majority of the house and is slowly paying of the remaining amount. Is that a problem as well?

Just talking "stability."

Kat

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 08:50 PM

Wait, something was posted earlier that I am not sure is correct.

That L F personally granted Jason the delay?

I am not understanding that, I thought the courts did.

:confused:

Kat

Unless NC law varies really vastly from other State's laws, the plaintiff through her attorneys granted the extension. Do you think that the Courts are the one's who grant extensions? Maybe you are confusing a continuance in Court with an extension to file pleadings.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 09:13 PM

Unless NC law varies really vastly from other State's laws, the plaintiff through her attorneys granted the extension. Do you think that the Courts are the one's who grant extensions? Maybe you are confusing a continuance in Court with an extension to file pleadings.
I don't think that's correct Leanne...pleadings are filed with the court, not with the plaintiff.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 09:42 PM

I don't think that's correct Leanne...pleadings are filed with the court, not with the plaintiff.

Obviously pleadings are filed in Court after being served on the plaintiff/plaintiff's attorneys - in this case the Applicants' attorneys. The Respondent's attorneys would have approached the Applicants' attorneys for an extension within which to file their response. It has nothing to do with the Court whether or not the extension is granted at this stage, imo.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 10:00 PM

Obviously pleadings are filed in Court after being served on the plaintiff/plaintiff's attorneys - in this case the Applicants' attorneys. The Respondent's attorneys would have approached the Applicants' attorneys for an extension within which to file their response. It has nothing to do with the Court whether or not the extension is granted at this stage, imo.But an extension is obtained from the clerk of the court, not the plaintiff.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 10:25 PM

But an extension is obtained from the clerk of the court, not the plaintiff.

Well, that is something I've never heard of and I did in fact discuss this with my ex-boss who is an attorney in Florida. He said that he has never heard of it being handled that way before a hearing has ever occurred. He said he'll look into it and get back to me but may only have a definitive answer by Monday as he is involved in a big trial at the moment.

TBH though, never in any case I was involved in or followed, have I heard of the Clerk of the Court having to grant an extension at this juncture.

Leanne Weich

01-16-2009, 10:44 PM

AE, my apologies, you are more right than me. It was Judge Stephens who granted the extension. I'm still somewhat confused as to the whole process as it would appear NC's laws are very different to most other States. Can you just imagine the amount of time wasted reading motions for extensions. How on earth do they ever have time to hear cases in NC.

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 11:03 PM

Well, that is something I've never heard of and I did in fact discuss this with my ex-boss who is an attorney in Florida. He said that he has never heard of it being handled that way before a hearing has ever occurred. He said he'll look into it and get back to me but may only have a definitive answer by Monday as he is involved in a big trial at the moment.

TBH though, never in any case I was involved in or followed, have I heard of the Clerk of the Court having to grant an extension at this juncture.
I've never heard of a plaintiff having the authority to grant an extension.

There are all kinds of requests for extension of time in this case. And the notes show the extensions were signed by the Clerk and all the requests were made to the court, not the opposing party.

ORDER granting 8 Motion for Extension of Time to Answer re 1 Complaint West Publishing Corporation answer due 8/10/2007; The Thomson Corporation answer due 8/10/2007.. Signed by Clerk of Court on 7/5/07. (Deputy Clerk - BRB, ) (Entered: July 5, 2007

ORDER granting 14 Motion for Extension of Time to File Response. Response due by 10/4/2007. cys served electronically. Signed by Dennis P. Iavarone, Clerk of Court on 8/28/2007. (Deputy Clerk - DH, ) (Entered: August 28, 2007)

http://news.justia.com/cases/featured/north-carolina/ncedce/5:2007cv00210/89021/

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 11:08 PM

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 11:09 PM

Maybe Meredith inherited the majority of the house and is slowly paying of the remaining amount. Is that a problem as well?

Inherited from whom?? Linda Fisher owns the house and as far as I know she's still very much alive. How would Meredith "inherit" anything from her? Maybe you meant to use a different word?

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 11:13 PM

[QUOTE=Leanne Weich;12666366]AE, my apologies, you are more right than me.

No apology needed for me........:)

The reason I questioned this, is that I find it hard to believe L F or any plaintiff would file a suit and then be kind enough to grant an extension.

All the cases I have followed, the only people who can grant such a wish, is usually the Judge him/her self.

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 11:16 PM

Barbara2

01-16-2009, 11:18 PM

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 11:26 PM

So his analysis at being deemed a "slayer" has little value ? Do you realize that it holds more weight than is written or said about him? Have you made that connection? I'm convinced that you haven't made that leap. Not that I care because your thoughts don't matter, no disrespect intended. Just thinking you haven't computed the seriousness of the charge. After all these months one would think you would grasp the seriousness of the case. Once again, no disrespect intended. I'm speechless.

MOO Aggie

If that is true, how do you explain this?

Last month, a judge ruled in a wrongful death lawsuit filed by Fisher that Jason Young was responsible for Michelle Young's death. Young missed a deadline to respond to that lawsuit.

Legal experts say the ruling has nothing to do with guilt or innocence, but it means Young won't be able to collect benefits from his wife's life insurance policy.

http://www.wral.com/news/local/story/4329772/

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 11:26 PM

You can inherit something from someone who is still living. You don't have to be dead to give away your possessions or money. IMO
No you can't.

No, you don't have to be dead to give anything way. But if you aren't dead the person getting it didn't inherit it.

inherit
To receive property from someone who has died. Traditionally, the word "inherit" applied only when one received property from a relative who died without a will (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/B5D3EF38-8274-4FB7-9B6DB3C7CA7924ED). Currently, however, the word is used whenever someone receives property from the estate (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/4FFCC66C-88AA-417D-BCABD8992C51D319) of a deceased person.
http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/626EAC9C-D2C3-4EA7-91E54FEC5F4949EC/alpha/I/

alterEgo©

01-16-2009, 11:27 PM

Hi Lin....:seeya:

So, what is your take on today's ruling?
(ygm)
Kat
Not Lindsey, but I want to see the filing.

Barbara2

01-16-2009, 11:32 PM

No you can't.

No, you don't have to be dead to give anything way. But if you aren't dead the person getting it didn't inherit it.

inherit
To receive property from someone who has died. Traditionally, the word "inherit" applied only when one received property from a relative who died without a will (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/B5D3EF38-8274-4FB7-9B6DB3C7CA7924ED). Currently, however, the word is used whenever someone receives property from the estate (http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/term/4FFCC66C-88AA-417D-BCABD8992C51D319) of a deceased person.
http://www.nolo.com/definition.cfm/Term/626EAC9C-D2C3-4EA7-91E54FEC5F4949EC/alpha/I/

I'm pretty sure that you know that that is not the only definition. I know you are smart and I have to believe that you know that I'm not dumb. Obama is going to "inherit the problems of the current president". Bush isn't dead. I could give my children money and gems now and say, "Here's part of your inheritance". I'm not dead. Look it up again and I think you'll see what I'm talking about.

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 11:33 PM

Hi Lin....:seeya:

So, what is your take on today's ruling?
(ygm)
Kat

Hey Kat

I was glad to see that Jason isn't ignoring this custody complaint. Whether he wins or loses I think he should fight for his daughter. I pray the judge that hears this case will make the right decision, whatever that may be. To me, it's all about Cassidy and what's best for her.

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 11:43 PM

Not Lindsey, but I want to see the filing.

When will that become available?

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-16-2009, 11:44 PM

Hey Kat

I was glad to see that Jason isn't ignoring this custody complaint. Whether he wins or loses I think he should fight for his daughter. I pray the judge that hears this case will make the right decision, whatever that may be. To me, it's all about Cassidy and what's best for her.

Me too, I guess it was too much to hope for that people would see Jason is doing the right thing.......

Kat

ETA...........I bet L F did not think he was going to answer, and thought she could win this one by default too.

Nahhh uhhhh...

Lindsey

01-16-2009, 11:56 PM

Linda Fisher has been quoted in the media saying she bought the house in NC intending to move there after her retirement, not as a gift to Meredith. She bought it in January 2006. Now, I haven't checked to see if she might have added Meredith's name to the deed before filing the custody complaint but if it would help her case I'm sure she did.

All JMO

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:20 AM

Oh good grief, Cassidy was 3 years old when Jason moved them to Brevard. She had no 'community'.

One of the Feb warrants had Cassidy's therapy notes in the list of items seized.

He is well within his rights to move back to Brevard to be with and near his family. It's not like it's a crime even tho some are bent on making it a federal case or some sign of weakness. It's pathetic, really. There are stories all over America of moms and/or dads moving back in with their parents with their children in tow.

Sorry. Always had a tendency to treat everyone the same, even though some, like small children, have less experience. I assumed that Cassidy had a sense of community while living with her mother in Raleigh. Are you suggesting that she did not have friends, playdays, and an understanding for her surroundings? I'm not sure why you would think that "she had no community". Could you explain?

Who cares whether some guy has the right to live with mom, or maintain a life for themselves and their children, after the murder of a wife. Of course he has the right to move back in with mom, but why did he do it? It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. People lose spouses every day, but moving back in with mom is at the bottom of the options, not the top.

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:29 AM

Would you want to live in a home where a murder happened?
Ewww.

Kat

I don't think this case includes living in the home where a murder happened. Maybe you're thinking about the Caylee Anthony thread.

Michelle's immediate family not only left home, but quit work, sold the house, left town, failed to find a new home, ended up at mom's or sister's house, and seem to still be living at mom's house. Again, I think you're too narrow in your perspective. Jason had options, including continuing his life in an alternate home. He does have a townhouse in Raleigh, where he could easily have lived with Cassidy after Michelle and Rylan's brutal murder. Meredith was prepared to assist with child care. Why did he choose to liquidate rather than re-locate? Relocating would have allowed Cassidy to maintain status quo; in the best interests of the children.

Leanne Weich

01-17-2009, 01:29 AM

Hey Kat

I was glad to see that Jason isn't ignoring this custody complaint. Whether he wins or loses I think he should fight for his daughter. I pray the judge that hears this case will make the right decision, whatever that may be. To me, it's all about Cassidy and what's best for her.

Lindsey, I'm pretty sure that the vast majority of us posters only want what is best for Cassidy and it is really sad that Linda was forced to go this route. I wonder how different things would have been had Jason allowed her an ongoing relationship with Cassidy.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:29 AM

Me too, I guess it was too much to hope for that people would see Jason is doing the right thing.......

Kat

ETA...........I bet L F did not think he was going to answer, and thought she could win this one by default too.

Nahhh uhhhh...

I think LF is seriously delusional to think a judge is going to rip a child from her only parent and give her to an unmarried waitress aunt. I'm glad to see Jason not only obtained a family law attorney but that he also obtained one of the best ...a former judge herself who certainly isn't 'scared' of Judge Sasser, imo.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:49 AM

Sorry. Always had a tendency to treat everyone the same, even though some, like small children, have less experience. I assumed that Cassidy had a sense of community while living with her mother in Raleigh. Are you suggesting that she did not have friends, playdays, and an understanding for her surroundings? I'm not sure why you would think that "she had no community". Could you explain?

Who cares whether some guy has the right to live with mom, or maintain a life for themselves and their children, after the murder of a wife. Of course he has the right to move back in with mom, but why did he do it? It's the weirdest thing I've ever heard. People lose spouses every day, but moving back in with mom is at the bottom of the options, not the top.

Cassidy lives with her father in a stable household with her grandmother. Millions of families have similar multi-generational households. Not weird at all.
L. Fisher thinks Cassidy will be better off moving away from her only parent to an unfamiliar home with her waitress aunt. That's very weird, imo.

Jester

01-17-2009, 02:05 AM

Nope. Disagree. A judge isn't going to do any ripping. The best interests of the child will be determined and accommodated ... and that's that. If the best interests include changing addresses, that will be evident in short order. No yanking or ripping.

5swab5

01-17-2009, 04:28 AM

Cassidy lives with her father in a stable household with her grandmother. Millions of families have similar multi-generational households. Not weird at all.
L. Fisher thinks Cassidy will be better off moving away from her only parent to an unfamiliar home with her waitress aunt. That's very weird, imo.

Meredith is not unfamiliar to Cassidy, she took care of her when she was younger for goodness sake.
At least Meredith is paying her own way. Jason on the other hand, is living totally off of Pat and at least one sister...when and for however long she allows him.

Not that it has anything to do with this case, but you seem to have a problem with "waitpersons". You must not get to eat out much.

MOO

JHP

01-17-2009, 08:35 AM

Not sure why, but I keep reading your name as stalagmites. Sorry .

Welcome to the board St-elegant.

Nope. Disagree. A judge isn't going to do any ripping. The best interests of the child will be determined and accommodated ... and that's that. If the best interests include changing addresses, that will be evident in short order. No yanking or ripping.

I read it as Stella gant :wink: I am just very happy that the best intrests of Cassidy are going to be looked at.
Meredith and Linda seemed to be very involved in Cassidy's life when Michelle was alive. IMO it was quite cruel of whatever Young decided keeping Linda and Meredith away was the way to go. I suspect the Youngs know/suspect Jason had something to do with Michelles death. It was easier not to face them.
I know Alan Fisher kept in contact (some anyway) with Jason. I'm sure there was an ulterior motive on both their parts.
Cassidy's best interest is something I think all posters can agree on.
I hope her living arrangements are settled by the time she goes to kindergarten.

JMO

Barbara2

01-17-2009, 08:49 AM

<snipped>

BTW, I'm glad you're able to help your daughters but it really doesn't matter to this case does it?

Right. That's what I said.

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 09:05 AM

~snipped for emphasis~

Cassidy's best interest is something I think all posters can agree on.

JMO

I certainly hope so, JHP. Although I think the problem is a conflicting idea of what Cassidy's best interest is. :)

Fortunately, the court is now involved, and professionals will be making that determination.

JHP

01-17-2009, 10:41 AM

Good Morning Cardinal, ITA I am so happy that the courts are involved with Cassidy's future. Under the circumstances it's the best thing. I hope the professionals that are brought in are unbiased and can decide what is truly in Cassidy's best interest.
Although it might be in the back of everyones mind about Jason's involvement in the murder.
I just don't get what the DA holdup is. I hope we find out.

JMO

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:16 AM

Yep, but what different responses would have been posted here, had Jason NOT sought legal counsel in an attempt to keep his daughter!!

How was he supposed to keep the relationship with C and the Youngs knowing that they think he killed Michelle?

A little awkward, to say the least, you think?

How would you work around something like that?

I guess supervised visits might have worked but then you are putting C in the middle.

Here is another thing, I remember reading that L F said she saw C every month before the murder, that is a little excessive, considering she lives in NY and they lived in NC.

I bet Jason just loved her monthly visits..:rolleyes:

I look back at the beginning of this case, and I think when L E said it was complicated, they had no idea how really complicated it would be.

I think they are doing the best that they can, but, something got away from them, or there is something that they can just not get past.

Kat

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 11:20 AM

Yep, but what different responses would have been posted here, had Jason NOT sought legal counsel in an attempt to keep his daughter!!
How was he supposed to keep the relationship with C and the Youngs knowing that they think he killed Michelle?
A little awkward, to say the least, you think?
How would you work around something like that?
I guess supervised visits might have worked but then you are putting C in the middle.
Here is another thing, I remember reading that L F said she saw C every month before the murder, that is a little excessive, considering she lives in NY and they lived in NC.
I bet Jason just loved her monthly visits..:rolleyes:
I look back at the beginning of this case, and I think when L E said it was complicated, they had no idea how really complicated it would be.
I think they are doing the best that they can, but, something got away from them, or there is something that they can just not get past.

Kat

I think you would work around something like that by putting Cassidy's well-being ahead of your own issues. And I don't think one visit a month is "excessive", Kat, regardless of the geography.

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:21 AM

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:24 AM

I think you would work around something like that by putting Cassidy's well-being ahead of your own issues. And I don't think one visit a month is "excessive", Kat, regardless of the geography.

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 11:29 AM

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

No, we don't - which is the reason I'm glad the court and professionals will guide those decisions.

But since Linda has a home in Wake County, I doubt she "descended upon" Jason and Michelle. And I imagine Michelle was glad to have her mother around that often. I would be.

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:31 AM

Barbara2

01-17-2009, 11:32 AM

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

Some of those visits were Michelle and Cassidy traveling to New York. It seems that Michelle enjoyed spending time with her mom. I think that is a sign of a very healthy relationship, IMO.

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:32 AM

No, we don't - which is the reason I'm glad the court and professionals will guide those decisions.

But since Linda has a home in Wake County, I doubt she "descended upon" Jason and Michelle. And I imagine Michelle was glad to have her mother around that often. I would be.

I just think that is a bit much, but that's just me.
I wonder how Jason felt...

Kat

Kat4Eagles

01-17-2009, 11:34 AM

Some of those visits were Michelle and Cassidy traveling to New York. It seems that Michelle enjoyed spending time with her mom. I think that is a sign of a very healthy relationship, IMO.

I think there were probably a lot more visits when L F came to town, must have been fun times!!
So, Jason going back to live with his family is healthy too.
Cool.
:)
Kat

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 11:38 AM

I just think that is a bit much, but that's just me.
I wonder how Jason felt...

Kat

I don't know how he felt. He probably wasn't excited about it - my husband wouldn't be either. But if it made me happy, he would support it, even though he might find things to do away from the house during the visits.

And it's obvious Jason had no problem finding things to do on his own, so he could easily have done the same if it bothered him.

JMO

Barbara2

01-17-2009, 11:47 AM

I don't know how he felt. He probably wasn't excited about it - my husband wouldn't be either. But if it made me happy, he would support it, even though he might find things to do away from the house during the visits.

And it's obvious Jason had no problem finding things to do on his own, so he could easily have done the same if it bothered him.

JMO

Exactly! Excellent point. You expressed my feelings as well. (Although my husband really enjoys spending time with my family. He doesn't try to find things to do away from home.) :smile:

5swab5

01-17-2009, 12:20 PM

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

How sad.

Children have a right to know their grandparents.

MOO

5swab5

01-17-2009, 12:29 PM

Yep, but what different responses would have been posted here, had Jason NOT sought legal counsel in an attempt to keep his daughter!!

(snipped)
Kat

Nothing has changed.

Jason has still never assisted in the investigation of the brutal murders of Michelle and Rylan. Nor honored their lives...in any way.

Jason is still living off of others and using their monies to further his every want.

He was a slayer, day before yesterday.
He was a slayer yesterday.
He is a slayer today.

MOO

And he will be a slayer tomorrow.

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:14 PM

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:19 PM

Inherited from whom?? Linda Fisher owns the house and as far as I know she's still very much alive. How would Meredith "inherit" anything from her? Maybe you meant to use a different word?

Some people receive a portion of their inheritance while their parents are still alive, particularly affluent families. If Meredith purchased the house with a portion of an inheritance and borrowed the balance from Linda, then the house may remain in Linda's name until the balance is paid. It's a bit complicated sounding, but it's not an unusual arrangement between parents and children.

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:24 PM

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

Why are you so adamant that Cassidy remain with Jason if you don't know that this arrangement is in Cassidy's best interest?

Jester

01-17-2009, 01:27 PM

I think there were probably a lot more visits when L F came to town, must have been fun times!!
So, Jason going back to live with his family is healthy too.
Cool.
:)
Kat

How did how you arrive at the opinion that a 30+ man living with his retired parents is healthy or fun times?

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:36 PM

Hi Stella,

I only wish C was old enough to decide for herself, as there will be all kinds of contributing factors to this case and the decision.

Kat

The major contributing factor to a decision is already established case law in NC.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:41 PM

A/E or any other legal eagle...

Can the Judge in the custody case ask Jason why he failed to respond
to the wrongful death suit?

Could his failure to respond to that suit be held against him in this suit?
TIA

Kat

A Judge can ask whatever she wants but I doubt she bothers to ask because the answer is so obvious. He's not going to lose custody of his child because he followed his attorney's advice, imo.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:46 PM

I understand that Meredith is pursuing a graduate degree. Why do you refer to her as a "waitress aunt", and do you think waitresses are unfit parents?

My comments are about this case. Are you saying Meredith isn't employed at all? Wow. I doubt a judge will conclude Cassidy Young's best interest is to remove her from her home with her father and grandparents and place her with an unemployed aunt she's hardly seen in two years.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 01:57 PM

I think there were probably a lot more visits when L F came to town, must have been fun times!!
So, Jason going back to live with his family is healthy too.
Cool.
:)
Kat

Jason choose living with family rather than hiring a live-in nanny. No Judge is going to fault such a decision, especially because Michelle's Will concurs. Cassidy is living right where her mother wants her to be, imo.

What I find interesting is Stubbs' request for transfer. Apparently she wants to answer on the record. Should be interesting.

alterEgo©

01-17-2009, 02:13 PM

A/E or any other legal eagle...

Can the Judge in the custody case ask Jason why he failed to respond
to the wrongful death suit?

Could his failure to respond to that suit be held against him in this suit?
TIA

KatIt's my understanding that anything he did under advice of counsel is offlimits. Besides, the fact that a default judgement was entered will be known by the family court since they will get a copy of the ruling with Linda and Meredith's moving papers. So the court will know, without having to be told, that Jason did not respond.

Will it have any weight in the court's determination of custody? I would think it would not because he was within his rights to not respond. And courts are adverse to using an invocation of rights against someone.

5swab5

01-17-2009, 02:38 PM

How did how you arrive at the opinion that a 30+ man living with his retired parents is healthy or fun times?

Especially one that has a penchant for getting knee-knocking drunk and acting inappropriately.

NO little girl should be forced to live with that risk looming in the background!

MOO

Jester

01-17-2009, 02:43 PM

My comments are about this case. Are you saying Meredith isn't employed at all? Wow. I doubt a judge will conclude Cassidy Young's best interest is to remove her from her home with her father and grandparents and place her with an unemployed aunt she's hardly seen in two years.

I'm not sure you would approve of anything that Meredith does. Waitressing? Problem. Pursuing a graduate degree? Problem.

Would you prefer that she remain with an unemployed daddy that she's hardly seen in the last two years? He's been awfully busy working out of town during the time he's been in Brevard.

Jester

01-17-2009, 02:44 PM

Especially one that has a penchant for getting knee-knocking drunk and acting inappropriately.

NO little girl should be forced to live with that risk looming in the background!

MOO

Hopefully Cassidy has been in the care of other relatives when Jason goes on his benders.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 02:57 PM

I'm not sure you would approve of anything that Meredith does. Waitressing? Problem. Pursuing a graduate degree? Problem.

Would you prefer that she remain with an unemployed daddy that she's hardly seen in the last two years? He's been awfully busy working out of town during the time he's been in Brevard.

It is in the best interest of a child to remain with her parent in her current stable environment. There has been no evidence presented that CY isn't now living in a stable, healthy environment. Ms. Fisher's claim lacks substance.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 03:05 PM

It's my understanding that anything he did under advice of counsel is offlimits. Besides, the fact that a default judgement was entered will be known by the family court since they will get a copy of the ruling with Linda and Meredith's moving papers. So the court will know, without having to be told, that Jason did not respond.

Will it have any weight in the court's determination of custody? I would think it would not because he was within his rights to not respond. And courts are adverse to using an invocation of rights against someone.

It can't have any weight because both Cassidy and Jason have the right to due process. The custody statute requires a decision that is in the best interest of the child. The court won't use against Cassidy or Jason the fact that Jason asserted his right to silence in another civil case. The only outcome I can see from all this is that Ms. Fisher's claim will be denied and she'll be ordered to pay all of Jason's attorney fees.

Jules2

01-17-2009, 03:07 PM

It is in the best interest of a child to remain with her parent in her current stable environment. There has been no evidence presented that CY isn't now living in a stable, healthy environment. Ms. Fisher's claim lacks substance.

How are you so sure that Cassidy's environment is currently stable? How many times has she been moved since her mother's death? Is keeping her from seeing her mother's blood relatives considered stable or healthy?

IMO, Linda Fisher's claims hardly lack substance.....in fact I believe they hold great merit as did the judge who ruled Jason Young a slayer.

Jules2

01-17-2009, 03:10 PM

My comments are about this case. Are you saying Meredith isn't employed at all? Wow. I doubt a judge will conclude Cassidy Young's best interest is to remove her from her home with her father and grandparents and place her with an unemployed aunt she's hardly seen in two years.

Since when is her Aunt unemployed? I know her father is.

And who was responsible for keeping Cassidy away from her aunt and Grandmother for the past 2 years?

You'd best re-think the situation Cassidy has been "forced" in to and come to grips with who is responsible for putting her there in the first place. IMO

5swab5

01-17-2009, 03:13 PM

It is in the best interest of a child to remain with her parent in her current stable environment. There has been no evidence presented that CY isn't now living in a stable, healthy environment. Ms. Fisher's claim lacks substance.

Your post doesn't provide a link, so I can only assume that is just your opinion.

I disagree.

MOO

5swab5

01-17-2009, 03:19 PM

It can't have any weight because both Cassidy and Jason have the right to due process. The custody statute requires a decision that is in the best interest of the child. The court won't use against Cassidy or Jason the fact that Jason asserted his right to silence in another civil case. The only outcome I can see from all this is that Ms. Fisher's claim will be denied and she'll be ordered to pay all of Jason's attorney fees.

Once again you are wrong and stating things as fact, which are plainly NOT.

The Court would be terribly remiss, in allowing a child to stay with a loose cannon, not to mention a father deemed by a previous court to be a SLAYER of the child's mother and unborn baby brother.

MOO

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 03:22 PM

How are you so sure that Cassidy's environment is currently stable? How many times has she been moved since her mother's death? Is keeping her from seeing her mother's blood relatives considered stable or healthy?

IMO, Linda Fisher's claims hardly lack substance.....in fact I believe they hold great merit as did the judge who ruled Jason Young a slayer.

Ms. Fisher did not present any evidence that Cassidy is not living in a stable environment currently. Removing a child from her only parent and forcing her to live with relatives she's hardly seen in two years is going to seriously traumatize the child. No judge is going to do it without clear and convincing evidence the child would be better off in the long run and that's not evident in this case.

The NC Supreme Court already has ruled that it is a parent's right to decide who their child will visit. Ms. Fisher's whining to the court about visitation isn't going to benefit her as long as Jason's parental rights are intact and right now, they are.

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 03:30 PM

It's my understanding that anything he did under advice of counsel is offlimits. Besides, the fact that a default judgement was entered will be known by the family court since they will get a copy of the ruling with Linda and Meredith's moving papers. So the court will know, without having to be told, that Jason did not respond.

Will it have any weight in the court's determination of custody? I would think it would not because he was within his rights to not respond. And courts are adverse to using an invocation of rights against someone.

AE, Jason didn't invoke his right to silence in the WDS. He merely failed to respond. And I believe the outcome of another civil action will weigh heavily in the current civil action.

5swab5

01-17-2009, 03:32 PM

(snip) Removing a child from her only parent and forcing her to live with relatives she's hardly seen in two years is going to seriously traumatize the child. (snipped)

Unlike the trauma that Cassidy went through when the slayer beat Michelle's brains in and left Cassidy there to fend for herself for hours and hours on end.

Besides, it is the slayers own fault that Cassidy has barely seen her maternal relatives since the murders. I doubt an educated judge will use that argument against Linda, in fact it is further proof of exactly how unfit the Youngs are as custodians of this small child.

MOO

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 03:32 PM

Ms. Fisher did not present any evidence that Cassidy is not living in a stable environment currently. ~snipped~

There hasn't yet been a hearing in which evidence could be presented.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 03:33 PM

Once again you are wrong and stating things as fact, which are plainly NOT.

The Court would be terribly remiss, in allowing a child to stay with a loose cannon, not to mention a father deemed by a previous court to be a SLAYER of the child's mother and unborn baby brother.

MOO

I'm not wrong. The Fourteenth Amendment is real but of course I can't force you to believe it.

Tia

01-17-2009, 03:35 PM

I understand that Meredith is pursuing a graduate degree. Why do you refer to her as a "waitress aunt", and do you think waitresses are unfit parents?

One would have to assume that that poster would find Jason's unemployed status and lack of ability to provide a stable home for
Cassidy would make him an unfit parent as well.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 03:41 PM

There hasn't yet been a hearing in which evidence could be presented.

Such evidence doesn't exist, imo.

Tia

01-17-2009, 03:44 PM

I just think that is a bit much, but that's just me.
I wonder how Jason felt...

Kat

I guess you don't have any children. It was a blessing when my mother helped me out when mine were smaller, its still a blessing when my parents take my children places and do things with them. Its a blessing when my parents help with College expenses, its a blessing that my children have such a strong sense of family because my mother AND father were so involved.

My sisters enjoy the same involvement from our parents in their children's lives.

Linda was doing what any grandmom would do. Jason was out of town most of the time and having affairs with other women, so I am sure he was relieved to have Linda and/or Meredith there to do for him.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 03:49 PM

One would have to assume that that poster would find Jason's unemployed status and lack of ability to provide a stable home for
Cassidy would make him an unfit parent as well.

I don't believe unemployment equates to "unstable" home nor do I know whether it is true Jason is unemployed.

This will probably surprise you but many people have savings and investments and can survive periods of unemployment without endangering the stability of their homelife. Jason has taken Cassidy on vacations and I've seen absolutely no evidence the child is deprived adequate food, shelter, schooling or care.

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 03:50 PM

Such evidence doesn't exist, imo.

If it doesn't, then Jason has nothing to worry about.

BTW, what does the 14th Amendment have to do with the custody issue?

5swab5

01-17-2009, 03:54 PM

I don't believe unemployment equates to "unstable" home nor do I know whether it is true Jason is unemployed.

This will probably surprise you but many people have savings and investments and can survive periods of unemployment without endangering the stability of their homelife. Jason has taken Cassidy on vacations and I've seen absolutely no evidence the child is deprived adequate food, shelter, schooling or care.

What "homelife" has Jason given Cassidy?

He lives with his mother, bathes with her water, eats her food, breathes her conditioned air.

He has done NOTHING, except hide, shut up and lawyer up.

MOO

Tia

01-17-2009, 03:56 PM

I don't believe unemployment equates to "unstable" home nor do I know whether it is true Jason is unemployed.

This will probably surprise you but many people have savings and investments and can survive periods of unemployment without endangering the stability of their homelife. Jason has taken Cassidy on vacations and I've seen absolutely no evidence the child is deprived adequate food, shelter, schooling or care.

If he killed Michelle, he should not be raising Cassidy. I don't care how stable or unstable he is.

If he didn't, that what he does with his child is none of my business, no matter how stable or unstable he is.

I just happen to believe, based on all the case history, that he did murder her.

No murderer should be allowed to raise a child.

JMO

Jules2

01-17-2009, 04:27 PM

I don't believe unemployment equates to "unstable" home nor do I know whether it is true Jason is unemployed.

This will probably surprise you but many people have savings and investments and can survive periods of unemployment without endangering the stability of their homelife. Jason has taken Cassidy on vacations and I've seen absolutely no evidence the child is deprived adequate food, shelter, schooling or care.

You seem to have a problem with being unemployed if it pertains to Cassidy's aunt, though. But then again.....her aunt isn't unemployed as you incorrectly stated earlier.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 04:32 PM

If it doesn't, then Jason has nothing to worry about.

BTW, what does the 14th Amendment have to do with the custody issue?

Jason has nothing to worry about, I agree.
The 14th Amendment assures fairness to CY and Jason. Fishers have filed a claim they not only will lose, imo, but will also most likely be ordered to pay Jason's legal costs.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 04:46 PM

You seem to have a problem with being unemployed if it pertains to Cassidy's aunt, though. But then again.....her aunt isn't unemployed as you incorrectly stated earlier.

Where does Meredith work?

Fishers are the ones who brought up Jason's unemployment in their claim. I have no idea if it is true or not but I have seen photos of several vacations so finances apparently are not an issue. No mention in the claim was made of Meredith's employment or whether she is financially able to provide for the shelter, food, clothing and childcare needs of a small child.

Cassidy is in a stable home currently with her father and grandparents.
The idea that she would be better off living with her unmarried aunt will be laughed right out of court. It sure makes me chuckle.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 04:51 PM

If he killed Michelle, he should not be raising Cassidy. I don't care how stable or unstable he is.

If he didn't, that what he does with his child is none of my business, no matter how stable or unstable he is.

I just happen to believe, based on all the case history, that he did murder her.

No murderer should be allowed to raise a child.

JMO

No murderer should be allowed to walk free, either. While you have been able to reach the conclusion Jason killed Michelle, the fact is that LE haven't managed to convince a DA there is evidence to support an indictment or even a visit from CPS.

Leanne Weich

01-17-2009, 04:53 PM

But, we don't know what the best is for C, do we?

And, if any family member descended on me once a month, no matter how much I loved them, I would move.
:lol:
Kat

That says an awful lot about you Kat. In all my 50 years, I've never known anyone to have an attitude of moving if a family member visited once a month even if one didn't like their mother-in-law as, usually, one would make allowances for your spouse to see his/her mother. Hell, I live across the world from my kids and fly home every 3 months and stay for a minimum of a month at a time. I'm glad my kids don't move because I visit them for such extended periods and so frequently. Contrarily, my s-i-l loves the fact that I go to so much trouble to continue having a good relationship with my g/kids.

Cardinal

01-17-2009, 04:54 PM

Jason has nothing to worry about, I agree.
The 14th Amendment assures fairness to CY and Jason. Fishers have filed a claim they not only will lose, imo, but will also most likely be ordered to pay Jason's legal costs.

I'm sure that's a risk the Fishers are willing to take. You do realize, however, that if they win, Jason will most likely be required to pay their legal costs.

Jules2

01-17-2009, 04:55 PM

Where does Meredith work?

Fishers are the ones who brought up Jason's unemployment in their claim. I have no idea if it is true or not but I have seen photos of several vacations so finances apparently are not an issue. No mention in the claim was made of Meredith's employment or whether she is financially able to provide for the shelter, food, clothing and childcare needs of a small child.

Cassidy is in a stable home currently with her father and grandparents.
The idea that she would be better off living with her unmarried aunt will be laughed right out of court. It sure makes me chuckle.

At least Meredith is employed unlike Jason. Taking vacations does not necessarily mean that Jason can afford them. Perhaps his mother footed the bill. You have no idea, nor do I.

I also highly doubt that any court would laugh when it comes to the welfare of a small child. Especially if that child is currently living with a slayer. An employed loving aunt would top an unemployed slayer, don'tcha think?

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 04:59 PM

What "homelife" has Jason given Cassidy?

He lives with his mother, bathes with her water, eats her food, breathes her conditioned air.

He has done NOTHING, except hide, shut up and lawyer up.

MOO

Doesn't Cassidy also live, bathe, eat and breathe the air in her home? It's Jason and Cassidy's home, too. No court is going to conclude Cassidy will be better off uprooted and living, bathing, eating and breathing her unmarried aunt's air. Didn't that aunt admit to using drugs on her myspace profile?

Tia

01-17-2009, 04:59 PM

Jason has nothing to worry about, I agree.
The 14th Amendment assures fairness to CY and Jason. Fishers have filed a claim they not only will lose, imo, but will also most likely be ordered to pay Jason's legal costs.

Jason has been named Michelle's slayer in a civil suit. Any judge who would just ignore that FACT would definately NOT be looking out for the best interest of the child.

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 05:02 PM

I'm sure that's a risk the Fishers are willing to take. You do realize, however, that if they win, Jason will most likely be required to pay their legal costs.

There is no "if." No way the Fishers will win this one imo. There is simply no way the Fishers can provide CY with a better home or even a comparable home to what she currently has with her father.

5swab5

01-17-2009, 05:05 PM

(snipped)

BTW, what does the 14th Amendment have to do with the custody issue?

Must be that part about removing someone's property without due process.

Cassidy isn't a real person, with rights of her own in some people's eyes.

Juat like Michelle and Rylan were Jason's to do with as he saw fit. We all know where that led.

MOO

5swab5

01-17-2009, 05:08 PM

Doesn't Cassidy also live, bathe, eat and breathe the air in her home? It's Jason and Cassidy's home, too. No court is going to conclude Cassidy will be better off uprooted and living, bathing, eating and breathing her unmarried aunt's air. Didn't that aunt admit to using drugs on her myspace profile?

Exactly my point!

Jason provides NOTHING for Cassidy.

He is raising her to be a mooch, just like himself.

MOO

Tia

01-17-2009, 05:09 PM

5swab5

01-17-2009, 05:13 PM

There is no "if." No way the Fishers will win this one imo. There is simply no way the Fishers can provide CY with a better home or even a comparable home to what she currently has with her father.

Comparable to what?

Pat's little hovel isn't exactly the Taj Mahal.

At least with Linda, Cassidy wouldn't have to wonder when her next move was, to where and for how long.

MOO

Tia

01-17-2009, 05:15 PM

Gaining custody from the biological parent is not an easy task. No matter how unfit you or I may feel the parent is, a judge, in most cases (unless there is extreme abuse and negelct-and it can be proven), will leave the minor child in the custody of the bio parent.

However, Jason being declared Michelle's Slayer makes this an extreme case, and it can be proven that the civil court has named him as such.

Also, Detective Spivey's opinion will matter.

The affairs will matter. The contact Jason had with MM after Michelle's death will matter. All of this can be proven.

And I would assume Linda has proof of the other allegations she made in the suit to back her up in court.

She has a great chance IMO.

Jules2

01-17-2009, 05:15 PM

I would agree if Jason were not named Michelle's Slayer.

That and the fact that he slapped pictures of her up on Craig's List in order to get dates.

Real stable do-right daddy there for ya.

IMO of course

Stellagant

01-17-2009, 05:16 PM

At least Meredith is employed unlike Jason. Taking vacations does not necessarily mean that Jason can afford them. Perhaps his mother footed the bill. You have no idea, nor do I.

I also highly doubt that any court would laugh when it comes to the welfare of a small child. Especially if that child is currently living with a slayer. An employed loving aunt would top an unemployed slayer, don'tcha think?

Nope. The slayer hasn't been convicted of a crime, his parental rights are fully intact and CPS hasn't intervened so they must not think the child is in danger. Courts presume the best case scenario is for a child to live with a parent unless it is proved the child is in danger or it's in her best interest to live elsewhere. Uprooting her to an unmarried aunt's care isn't in CY's best interest and isn't what Michelle wanted.

Jason has parental rights to Cassidy, Meredith does not.