Monday January 12 - Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

Interesting link posted by CuC.

For the first time, his lawyer said on Sunday that Kronk made an additional visit to that same area three months later, on Nov. 10. But on that visit, it was all business.

"He read the meters in that area, but he did not go to the area where the body was found," attorney David Evans said.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html

[n/t]

We're hearing that the reports are now back from forensic botanists and entomologists (see links thread for link).

Any word on the toxicology reports? Did I miss it?

[msgatorslayer]

We're hearing that the reports are now back from forensic botanists and entomologists (see links thread for link).

Any word on the toxicology reports? Did I miss it?

Top of the morning to ya, N/T

They haven't been released yet, to my knowledge. Today, perhaps?:tongueside:

Should be some interesting reading.

[magnolia]

No link yet, but I just heard on Fox Orlando, Thurs. pretrial hearing has been cancelled. No reason given.

moo


And I heard on local Orlando news (this a.m.) that RK has not been asked to take a lie dectector and he was a good samaritan. Just as I thought. :)

[n/t]

No link yet, but I just heard on Fox Orlando, Thurs. pretrial hearing has been cancelled. No reason given.

moo

Thanks Swarovski. Isn't there another hearing today? I can't keep up. :blushing:

I may have to get a calendar just to keep up with this case. :blink:

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone! Is there any word on which show Roy Kronk is appearing? The Today Show, GMA?

[AJandTam]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/1/11/424180.html

Utility worker who found remains to speak out
More information is also coming to light about the man who found the little girl's remains last month.

Roy Kronk was hired by Orange County Utilities in May 2008. Prior to his employment with the utility, he owned a bail bond company and worked as a bounty hunter in Tennessee for almost 11 years.

Kronk's attorney said he and his client are flying to New York next week to do a paid interview on one of the network morning shows. According to his attorney, Kronk wants to "set the record straight" about his involvement with the Anthony case.

Bounty hunter.......Ohhhhhhhhh

[magnolia]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/1/11/424180.html

Utility worker who found remains to speak out
More information is also coming to light about the man who found the little girl's remains last month.

Roy Kronk was hired by Orange County Utilities in May 2008. Prior to his employment with the utility, he owned a bail bond company and worked as a bounty hunter in Tennessee for almost 11 years.

Kronk's attorney said he and his client are flying to New York next week to do a paid interview on one of the network morning shows. According to his attorney, Kronk wants to "set the record straight" about his involvement with the Anthony case.

Bounty hunter.......Ohhhhhhhhh

Just heard on local news the interview will be tomorrow and nationally aired. No details on which network.

[KKKKKKatie]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/1/11/424180.html

Utility worker who found remains to speak out
More information is also coming to light about the man who found the little girl's remains last month.

Roy Kronk was hired by Orange County Utilities in May 2008. Prior to his employment with the utility, he owned a bail bond company and worked as a bounty hunter in Tennessee for almost 11 years.

Kronk's attorney said he and his client are flying to New York next week to do a paid interview on one of the network morning shows. According to his attorney, Kronk wants to "set the record straight" about his involvement with the Anthony case.

Bounty hunter.......Ohhhhhhhhh

:blink: OMG.....not another one!!!!

[tootie]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

So is this who is asking the "kings ransom" for the video?

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

Oh boy, I bet the anthonys are livid that Jim Hoover beat them out of this video. My question would be, whose camera did he use, what are they basing their claim to the tape on?

Last I heard, Hoover was an unpaid volunteer for the anthonys. Something is rotten in Denmark imo......

Thanks Swarvie.

[kitty1182]

Oh boy, I bet the anthonys are livid that Jim Hoover beat them out of this video. My question would be, whose camera did he use, what are they basing their claim to the tape on?

Last I heard, Hoover was an unpaid volunteer for the anthonys. Something is rotten in Denmark imo......

Thanks Swarvie.



Hi Sissy...Yes, something is rotten!! mo

[n/t]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

Wow! This puts a whole new twist on things, doesn't it?

[n/t]

The bigger questiion is who was PI Casey speaking with on the phone? It looked to me like he was getting directions as to where to poke.

Well knowing what has been confirmed that the A's own the video, I think it's one of the Anthonys. Who else could it be?

[KKKKKKatie]

Wow! This puts a whole new twist on things, doesn't it?

not sure I can take another twist!

[AMS]

No link yet, but I just heard on Fox Orlando, Thurs. pretrial hearing has been cancelled. No reason given.

moo

Good freezing morning -

In court last week, didn't the prosecution say the date this week didn't work for them and the judge said it would be rescheduled? I don't know if I am remembering correctly.

IMO

[hamebone]

not sure I can take another twist!

Whew, me either.

You take small breaks and it like climbing Mt. Everest to get caught back up.

[AMS]

So is this who is asking the "kings ransom" for the video?

Sounds that way. Geraldo did say "the owner" of the tape was demanding a king's ransom.

[KKKKKKatie]

Whew, me either.

You take small breaks and it like climbing Mt. Everest to get caught back up.

Isn't that the truth! I have been gone for 2 weeks and spent all morning reading the links thread lol

[n/t]

Sounds that way. Geraldo did say "the owner" of the tape was demanding a king's ransom.

Sickening, imo. Especially if the Anthonys knew that's where Caylee's remains were (or even if they suspected it).... you see this guy poking at bags, digging....

[Lavenia]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/1/11/424180.html

Utility worker who found remains to speak out
More information is also coming to light about the man who found the little girl's remains last month.

Roy Kronk was hired by Orange County Utilities in May 2008. Prior to his employment with the utility, he owned a bail bond company and worked as a bounty hunter in Tennessee for almost 11 years.

Kronk's attorney said he and his client are flying to New York next week to do a paid interview on one of the network morning shows. According to his attorney, Kronk wants to "set the record straight" about his involvement with the Anthony case.

Bounty hunter.......Ohhhhhhhhh

So it is true!?! Oh good golly marie!

[AJandTam]

Just heard on local news the interview will be tomorrow and nationally aired. No details on which network.

Morning! Wonder what he is going to set the record on. Apparently he's in no trouble as he hasn't been arrested or anything... What in the heck is going on? I read bounty hunter and went OH GAWD, I hope he doesn't have ties to Lenny or one of the PI's...

[AJandTam]

:blink: OMG.....not another one!!!!

Banging head on desk. The FBI/LE cleared this guy. RIGHT??? Are we looking at another coincidence. This Kronk was a Bounty Hunter for 11 years.. Confused over here!

[JHP]

Sickening, imo. Especially if the Anthonys knew that's where Caylee's remains were (or even if they suspected it).... you see this guy poking at bags, digging....

I wish the Anthony's would stop treating Caylee as their retierment plan.

[n/t]

Morning! Wonder what he is going to set the record on. Apparently he's in no trouble as he hasn't been arrested or anything... What in the heck is going on? I read bounty hunter and went OH GAWD, I hope he doesn't have ties to Lenny or one of the PI's...

Whatever it is Tam, I'm just glad it's coming out now before the trial. No surprises at trial!!!

I agree with you though. Too many coincidences in this case.

[AJandTam]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

Ok, Let me see if I understand this correctly. The A's own this tape? Right? They have been trying to sell the tape to the networks?? Right??

NICE....

[AJandTam]

So it is true!?! Oh good golly marie!

Looks like and apparently Conway is confirming this tape belongs to the A's.. Lavenia, Looks like it's going to be an eventful day today and w/Kronk going on tv tomorrow... Well, who knows what is going to happen. Never seen anything like this in my life.

[kitty1182]

Looks like and apparently Conway is confirming this tape belongs to the A's.. Lavenia, Looks like it's going to be an eventful day today and w/Kronk going on tv tomorrow... Well, who knows what is going to happen. Never seen anything like this in my life.



I haven't either....The second autopsy had been done, why hasn't that baby had a funeral yet? :mad:

[n/t]

I wish the Anthony's would stop treating Caylee as their retierment plan.

That or doing whatever it takes to get their daughter off by paying these high priced experts.

The question is why would they risk getting into serious legal troubles because of Casey? She was a lying thief for pete's sake and arrested for killing their grandbaby.

No one can convince me that the reason is she's their daughter and they love her. Of course they do but there's more to it, imo.

This is just unheard of in a missing child case so they must've known something.

[JHP]

I haven't either....The second autopsy had been done, why hasn't that baby had a funeral yet? :mad:

:seeya: Good morning kitty, I think they are waiting for the best "deal" on the funeral.

JMO

[really3997]

Ok, Let me see if I understand this correctly. The A's own this tape? Right? They have been trying to sell the tape to the networks?? Right??

NICE....

Isn't Fox local and Fox national the same. Why would Holly at fox 35 have permission (from the Anthony's) to air the tape for free yet Geraldo have to pay a Kings Ramsom. same network correct

[AJandTam]

I wish the Anthony's would stop treating Caylee as their retierment plan.

JHP, I can't comment or my comment is going to turn into a rant this morning... Grrrrrrrrrrrr

[kitty1182]

:seeya: Good morning kitty, I think they are waiting for the best "deal" on the funeral.

JMO



I've never been so sick of anything in my life..God doesn't like ugly and there is a lot of ugly going on in this case..imo

[JHP]

That or doing whatever it takes to get their daughter off by paying these high priced experts.

The question is why would they risk getting into serious legal troubles because of Casey? She was a lying thief for pete's sake and arrested for killing their grandbaby.

No one can convince me that the reason is she's their daughter and they love her. Of course they do but there's more to it, imo.

This is just unheard of in a missing child case so they must've known something.

UNBELIEVABLE! I'm sure they have known something for a long time. And thats what makes it so sick.

JMO

[AJandTam]

Whatever it is Tam, I'm just glad it's coming out now before the trial. No surprises at trial!!!

I agree with you though. Too many coincidences in this case.

Way to many coincidences. Thank goodness we have the FBI on board to sort this mess out...

[AJandTam]

I haven't either....The second autopsy had been done, why hasn't that baby had a funeral yet? :mad:

I am starting to think it's because they have not a single ounce of good in them. It is starting to look like Caylee is just a money making prop to them. Nauseating, I tell ya...

[Lavenia]

Looks like and apparently Conway is confirming this tape belongs to the A's.. Lavenia, Looks like it's going to be an eventful day today and w/Kronk going on tv tomorrow... Well, who knows what is going to happen. Never seen anything like this in my life.

Unbelievable! We heard these rumors sometime over the weekend (or maybe Friday) that was brought over from another board. I admit to initial skepticism but by golly if it's not true!

I'll never get any sleep at this rate! :blink:

[JHP]

I've never been so sick of anything in my life..God doesn't like ugly and there is a lot of ugly going on in this case..imo

Caylee was SUCH a gift. It just gets worse by the day, I can't imagine what it would be like if Cindy wasn't in seclusion.

I hate to type this but I think she's (Caylee)in a much better place.

[KKKKKKatie]

I am starting to think it's because they have not a single ounce of good in them. It is starting to look like Caylee is just a money making prop to them. Nauseating, I tell ya...

I was REALLY hoping that something had changed, for the good, while I was gone. I see it just got worse! :rolleyes:

[desmom]

Good Morning!

I apologize if this has already been posted.

Video Released Of Anthonys' P.I. Searching Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html#-



RAW VIDEO: Anthony's P.I. Searching Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18460377/index.html

After watching this, IMO....the Dominic was more than just looking at the area.

[AJandTam]

That or doing whatever it takes to get their daughter off by paying these high priced experts.

The question is why would they risk getting into serious legal troubles because of Casey? She was a lying thief for pete's sake and arrested for killing their grandbaby.

No one can convince me that the reason is she's their daughter and they love her. Of course they do but there's more to it, imo.

This is just unheard of in a missing child case so they must've known something.

I don't want to go crazy in my head n/t, but honestly, i've thought this all along. Something just wasn't right w/the way the parents were carrying on. It's always looked to me like they had a motive that was a much higher priority than either Casey or Caylee..

Thinking back now, I hate my thoughts. The research on the computers for missing children, the talk of a working w/missing persons Geo did w/Casey in the jailhouse interview. The association w/KFN, and Geo being a spokesman. Did Geo know those KFN people prior to this.. Then Geo's con man history.. What are we really looking at here?? Maybe what we've thought all along just isn't right.. This kidnapping thing being pushed while they knew the truth?? One has to wonder n/t. Was this a scam all along?? Or just an opportunity???

[Motomom]

Geraldo said on his show last night that the A's owned the tape. That they gave their permission for him to show it. Whoever was asking the kings ransom did NOT own the tape. It wasn't the Anthony's asking for that money according to Geraldo on his show last night. No money was paid, the A's did not get money for this tape per Geraldo.

[Regina.Lampert]

Looks like and apparently Conway is confirming this tape belongs to the A's.. Lavenia, Looks like it's going to be an eventful day today and w/Kronk going on tv tomorrow... Well, who knows what is going to happen. Never seen anything like this in my life.

LOL, just because the anthonys claim ownership, I don't think that means they really do. They sure don't have possession of the original tape, Hoover does.

I think the anthonys are attempting to claim it because Hoover was volunteering and working on the case for them. Unless he signed a contract I don't think they have any rights to that tape, especially if Hoover shot it with his own camera.

At any rate, imo, the anthonys look money hungry......again....by even mentioning their rights to the tape all the while accusing Hoover of making money off of it. When it comes to appearances, the anthonys are tone deaf, imo.

[Lavenia]

Geraldo said on his show last night that the A's owned the tape. That they gave their permission for him to show it. Whoever was asking the kings ransom did NOT own the tape. It wasn't the Anthony's asking for that money according to Geraldo on his show last night. No money was paid, the A's did not get money for this tape per Geraldo.

Oops, I just deleted a post, because I thought whoever he was speaking with great disdain about the people wanting the money was the A's. It wasn't them wanting the $$?

[AJandTam]

Isn't Fox local and Fox national the same. Why would Holly at fox 35 have permission (from the Anthony's) to air the tape for free yet Geraldo have to pay a Kings Ramsom. same network correct

I really couldn't tell ya at this point really. I would be less than honest if I didn't say that I truly believe that C and G would actually sell that tape. However, the Kings Ransom thing came from Geraldo which might be helping B, so he might be starting rumors because Casey and Baez are fixin' to claim that the A's did this murder and not Casey.. Who knows... We'll just have to wait and see what unfolds... We might better hold on to our chairs...

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!

[kitty1182]

I just don't know what to think anymore...I just don't..

[JHP]

I don't want to go crazy in my head n/t, but honestly, i've thought this all along. Something just wasn't right w/the way the parents were carrying on. It's always looked to me like they had a motive that was a much higher priority than either Casey or Caylee..

Thinking back now, I hate my thoughts. The research on the computers for missing children, the talk of a working w/missing persons Geo did w/Casey in the jailhouse interview. The association w/KFN, and Geo being a spokesman. Did Geo know those KFN people prior to this.. Then Geo's con man history.. What are we really looking at here?? Maybe what we've thought all along just isn't right.. This kidnapping thing being pushed while they knew the truth?? One has to wonder n/t. Was this a scam all along?? Or just an opportunity???

What was the comment Casey made to Cindy something like you don't know what happened? It was at the beggining.

I have wondered if the screaming june15, was because she was dead.

Then they got an idea, Save precious Casey. Make a bundle.
Didn't they put Caylee's missing website together while they waited for LE?
I still wonder if Cindy's June vacation was planned?

[kitty1182]

I really couldn't tell ya at this point really. I would be less than honest if I didn't say that I truly believe that C and G would actually sell that tape. However, the Kings Ransom thing came from Geraldo which might be helping B, so he might be starting rumors because Casey and Baez are fixin' to claim that the A's did this murder and not Casey.. Who knows... We'll just have to wait and see what unfolds... We might better hold on to our chairs...

KABOOM!!!!!!!!!


I would not be surprise one bit if Casey and Baez did that....

[Motomom]

Oops, I just deleted a post, because I thought whoever he was speaking with great disdain about the people wanting the money was the A's. It wasn't them wanting the $$?

According to him last night, it was NOT the A's. It was someone who did not even own the tape. Now, not sure who that was but Geraldo said no money paid.

[Regina.Lampert]

Isn't Fox local and Fox national the same. Why would Holly at fox 35 have permission (from the Anthony's) to air the tape for free yet Geraldo have to pay a Kings Ramsom. same network correct

I think the anthonys got ahold of a copy of the tape and want to air it so they cut down Hoover's potential for making money off of it.

I do not believe rivera did not pay for that tape, they paid.

[cassidy]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.


Whoa! Let's back up just a minute here..These are the same Anthony's who were seem skipping gleefully out of the jail saying "She's close! Casey says she close"??
And the same Anthony's who were ONLY searching for a LIVE Caylee?
those Anthony's?? They OWN this tape of a PI who is quite obviously looking for somehting (most likely evidence)? The same Anthony's who dissed TES and all the searchers? They sent a PI out to slash open garbage bags looking for what?
I honestly don't think this case can get any more bizarre. Can it?
Time for LE to take of the kid gloves where the Anthony's are concerned IMO

[AJandTam]

Unbelievable! We heard these rumors sometime over the weekend (or maybe Friday) that was brought over from another board. I admit to initial skepticism but by golly if it's not true!

I'll never get any sleep at this rate! :blink:

Honest to goodness. I thought from when the story about the tapes existing first surfaced, that the A's were in deep trouble over it.. This doesn't surprise me in the least... I always felt like we had some things in this case wrong. I think we might be really shocked before its over w/as far as Ma and Pa go.

[Calla]

Kronk on T.V. or no?

Been channel surfing...nothing

[lax3]

remember when Casey said to her mother in the first recording - "you don't know what my involvement is?" - maybe they knew from the beginning...i couldn't watch the PI video poking around the trash bag and the dirt, made me sick to my stomach.

[AJandTam]

LOL, just because the anthonys claim ownership, I don't think that means they really do. They sure don't have possession of the original tape, Hoover does.

I think the anthonys are attempting to claim it because Hoover was volunteering and working on the case for them. Unless he signed a contract I don't think they have any rights to that tape, especially if Hoover shot it with his own camera.

At any rate, imo, the anthonys look money hungry......again....by even mentioning their rights to the tape all the while accusing Hoover of making money off of it. When it comes to appearances, the anthonys are tone deaf, imo.

IMHO, I suspect the A's are just evil.. That's my opinion of them for a long time now.

[NYGalPal]

Whoa! Let's back up just a minute here..These are the same Anthony's who were seem skipping gleefully out of the jail saying "She's close! Casey says she close"??
And the same Anthony's who were ONLY searching for a LIVE Caylee?
those Anthony's?? They OWN this tape of a PI who is quite obviously looking for somehting (most likely evidence)? The same Anthony's who dissed TES and all the searchers? They sent a PI out to slash open garbage bags looking for what?
I honestly don't think this case can get any more bizarre. Can it?
Time for LE to take of the kid gloves where the Anthony's are concerned IMO

Yes, can you believe it?

Couldn't agree with you more! LE take your gloves off. Don't they notice the As are delaying the funeral so they won't be questioned?

:thumbdown:

[cassidy]

Mornn Regina

Something smells very bad with this. Casey is heard on the tape saying "it should be right there". KNowing that now, we can safely assume that the info came from whoever dumped the body. We assume it was Casey, so if the info came from Casey, then we can be pretty sure that the parents knew about it. Not such a great leap of faith to claim that as fact. So now the A's have a whole lot whoop-a@@ about to come down on them. Obstruction, fraud etc.

Conway is livid, probably because he never got the immunity deal he wanted. Maybe mow we all know why he wanted the deal for the A's.

This is getting ugly and real quick for the A's.

IMO
So do you think Conway will stick with them or go the way of NeJame?

[Lavenia]

Kronk on T.V. or no?

Been channel surfing...nothing

I don't know. I've heard everything from today, tomorrow and next week.

[JHP]

remember when Casey said to her mother in the first recording - "you don't know what my involvement is?" - maybe they knew from the beginning...i couldn't watch the PI video poking around the trash bag and the dirt, made me sick to my stomach.

Almost haunting isn't it? when you look at whats transpired in the last 6 months.

[BANJO GRANNY]

:seeya: Good morning kitty, I think they are waiting for the best "deal" on the funeral.

JMO

I agree 100%:cursing:




:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[AJandTam]

What was the comment Casey made to Cindy something like you don't know what happened? It was at the beggining.

I have wondered if the screaming june15, was because she was dead.

Then they got an idea, Save precious Casey. Make a bundle.
Didn't they put Caylee's missing website together while they waited for LE?
I still wonder if Cindy's June vacation was planned?

Honestly, This story stunk from the beginning on. From the story of before the murder on... Cindy and Geo don't know Casey doesn't have a nanny. Knowing them, that never made sense and nothing from there on made any sense. The 911 call, the whole bit... imho

[really3997]

I think the anthonys got ahold of a copy of the tape and want to air it so they cut down Hoover's potential for making money off of it.

I do not believe rivera did not pay for that tape, they paid.

Ok this makes no sense to me. You have a tape that you say you didnt pay for you show it to the defense on your show but not the tv audience because you state you will not pay a " Kings Ransom" but you have the tape. So does that mean that you were given the tape without a prearrange " Licensing Fee" Also Channel 9 also has the tape they were not allowed to air the sound stated that they got it from Hoover they state they were only able to tape in 1.30 min increments of the tape to air it. Also Holly Bristow from local Fox35 has the tape shows the same footage Channel 9 had with the A's attorney stating that this is their tape but they dont have the tape. Their are way too many copies of this tape that no one has that no one has paid for. And way too many people up in arms about a video in shich they are stating DC didn't know where he was looking...does that make sense

[AJandTam]

Kronk on T.V. or no?

Been channel surfing...nothing

Tomorrow not today someone said earlier.

Oh and somewhere a link that Kronk was a bounty hunter in TN for 11 years...

[NYGalPal]

Morning Swarovski! :seeya:

From the link above:

Conway wants to make sure Hoover doesn't make any money on this. “It is my video tape, not Mr. Hoovers and our position is, he has taken this tape from us and tried to shop it and tried to profit from a tragedy that he has no right to be involved in.”

How did Mr. Hoover take the tape?

Geraldo has a copy, WFTV has a copy and OCSO has a copy. Just how many copies of this are floating around?

The more that comes out the more I understand why everyone has lawyered up and is asking for immunity. Someone is in this up to their eyeballs.

jmo

Yeah, how did he take the tape? Sounds fishy to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning!

I apologize if this has already been posted.

Video Released Of Anthonys' P.I. Searching Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html#-



RAW VIDEO: Anthony's P.I. Searching Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18460377/index.html

After watching this, IMO....the Dominic was more than just looking at the area.


Thanks Des. From the first link:


Hoover said he has been cooperating with investigators since December 18 when he first realized that his videotapes had evidentiary value.

Good, I am glad Hoover got out in front and contacted LE. Something very, very wrong here with the anthonys investigator knowing exactly where to look for Caylee in November, all the while the anthonys are criticizing LE and going on nationwide cable shows pointing out mall pictures of an "alive" Caylee. It's disgusting, imo.

[cassidy]

Honestly, This story stunk from the beginning on. From the story of before the murder on... Cindy and Geo don't know Casey doesn't have a nanny. Knowing them, that never made sense and nothing from there on made any sense. The 911 call, the whole bit... imho

That's bothered me from the get-go too. There is no way on God's green earth that Cindy would NOT have known where Casey was taking Caylee to stay with the "nanny". 2 granddaughters here, both in daycare and I know where they are, the phone # and am on the "in case of emergency" call list at both. If I wasn't, I'd sure find out REAL quickly why not!

JMO

[desmom]

Ok this makes no sense to me. You have a tape that you say you didnt pay for you show it to the defense on your show but not the tv audience because you state you will not pay a " Kings Ransom" but you have the tape. So does that mean that you were given the tape without a prearrange " Licensing Fee" Also Channel 9 also has the tape they were not allowed to air the sound stated that they got it from Hoover they state they were only able to tape in 1.30 min increments of the tape to air it. Also Holly Bristow from local Fox35 has the tape shows the same footage Channel 9 had with the A's attorney stating that this is their tape but they dont have the tape. Their are way too many copies of this tape that no one has that no one has paid for. And way too many people up in arms about a video in shich they are stating DC didn't know where he was looking...does that make sense

Morning Really3997!

I deleted my post because you said it so much better than I did.

The more that comes out about this case, the more I understand why everyone has lawyered up. Someone is in this up to their eyeballs. jmo

[cassidy]

Conway has no where near the pull and status of Nejames...he will hang in there


How much you want to bet theough that Nejames gets pulled in for a deposition???? And Garrison too now. This is going downhill for Cindy in a big way. Can you say matching Pink handcuffs?????

Nejames can't be deposed on anything they said to him while he was retained as their attorney, can he?

[NYGalPal]

It fits don't it? That makes Cindy, George and Lee, all accomplices.


Wow.

I agree 100%.

Why aren't the LE going after them already? :angry:

[AJandTam]

That's bothered me from the get-go too. There is no way on God's green earth that Cindy would NOT have known where Casey was taking Caylee to stay with the "nanny". 2 granddaughters here, both in daycare and I know where they are, the phone # and am on the "in case of emergency" call list at both. If I wasn't, I'd sure find out REAL quickly why not!

JMO

Nope, no sense at all to me. On one hand Cindy is going to go for custody of Caylee.. On the other hand. She hasn't a clue what is going on w/Caylee.. To conflicting IMHO.

[really3997]

Morning Really3997!

I deleted my post because you said it so much better than I did.

The more that comes out about this case, the more I understand why everyone has lawyered up. Someone is in this up to their eyeballs. jmo

Thank you that made my head hurt. Not to change the subject but I thought I would let you know that I detour this to get an idea on the abandoned house. I never left the car however there appears to be several light colored houses on this street however I only looked on the same side as the A's and toward the school. Most houses had lights on or cars in the driveway so I did not take that as abandoned which really left 3 houses one house which is two doors down from the A's (next to the shovel house) and then two others one is light gray and the other is beige but they are located in the middle of the block. It appeared to me that close to the end of the street where Caylee was found those houses were not abandoned.

[JHP]

Honestly, This story stunk from the beginning on. From the story of before the murder on... Cindy and Geo don't know Casey doesn't have a nanny. Knowing them, that never made sense and nothing from there on made any sense. The 911 call, the whole bit... imho

The first time I saw them was on the Today Show, George was holding a bear "that Caylee always slept with". I remember thinking that bear was brand new.
Looking back, this was set up from the start IMO.

[really3997]

I agree 100%.

Why aren't the LE going after them already? :angry:

Because it is not in LE script. JMO

[nc1948]

I wish the Anthony's would stop treating Caylee as their retierment plan.

Thanks- I so agree. Money, Money, Money. Most (note I did not say all) people going through a tragedy MUST go back to work to support themselves and also to help pay all the legal costs. Obviously the Anthonys are not going that route. Caylee was killed by her mother, but the Anthonys are almost as bad. Making a living of their grandaughter is sickening.

[Regina.Lampert]

IMHO, I suspect the A's are just evil.. That's my opinion of them for a long time now.

I tend to agree with you Tam, they sure aren't like ANY OTHER family of a murdered granddaughter, that's for "dog gone" sure. Something is very wrong and I too hope LE and the FBI take off the gloves.

[Calla]

Tomorrow not today someone said earlier.

Oh and somewhere a link that Kronk was a bounty hunter in TN for 11 years... Yeah I read that:ohmy:

And for those that missed Shelbars revelation..

The call with Casey & Lee Anthony..She tells him her gut is she is "close to hope"(instead of home).---as in hopespring?

Been reading alot of the code speak stuff out there.
No new revelations yet..but it is interesting

Yall have a good day..bb to catch up later

[nc1948]

I haven't either....The second autopsy had been done, why hasn't that baby had a funeral yet? :mad:

If the Anthonys want a kings ransom for a tape can you imagine how much they want for rights to the memorial service?

[NYGalPal]

Because it is not in LE script. JMO

Hope they are paying close attention.

[Regina.Lampert]

Conway has no where near the pull and status of Nejames...he will hang in there


How much you want to bet theough that Nejames gets pulled in for a deposition???? And Garrison too now. This is going downhill for Cindy in a big way. Can you say matching Pink handcuffs?????

Nejame sure knew when to abandon ship, poor Conway is still attemtping to arrange the deck chairs on the SS Titanic, imo.

[Regina.Lampert]

It fits don't it? That makes Cindy, George and Lee, all accomplices.


Wow.

That would mean that all those 911 calls, especially the last one, were an act. Is cynthia that good an actress?

[really3997]

Nejame sure knew when to abandon ship, poor Conway is still attemtping to arrange the deck chairs on the SS Titanic, imo.

Yes and I suspect if he cannot get those chairs arranged quick enough Cindy will come out and arrange them for him while giving a tongue lashing to us all.

[Barbara fl.]

Oh boy, I bet the anthonys are livid that Jim Hoover beat them out of this video. My question would be, whose camera did he use, what are they basing their claim to the tape on?

Last I heard, Hoover was an unpaid volunteer for the anthonys. Something is rotten in Denmark imo......

Thanks Swarvie.


Doesn't surprise me at all...I thought something was rotten from day one when LP mentioned this tape.....I hope the he can be prosecuted for holding back evidence.....It was so obvious that he was talking to someone on thta phone that was giving him directions on where to look......I wonder who? Could be Lee.....maybe that is why he stayed away for so long.....JMO

[nc1948]

What was the comment Casey made to Cindy something like you don't know what happened? It was at the beggining.

I have wondered if the screaming june15, was because she was dead.

Then they got an idea, Save precious Casey. Make a bundle.
Didn't they put Caylee's missing website together while they waited for LE?
I still wonder if Cindy's June vacation was planned?


I had forgotten that. Yes, lets get our priorities in order. Web site asking for donations first.

[Barbara fl.]

Reg....another poster noted that Nejames can't be deposed....Can he???????


No he couldn't...he was the Anthony's attorney during the time that he was around....he would be in violation of "attorney/client privledge"....

[cassidy]

Reg....another poster noted that Nejames can't be deposed....Can he???????


that was me. I didn't note it. I asked the question :)

[JHP]

It fits don't it? That makes Cindy, George and Lee, all accomplices.


Wow.


I'm sorry but IMO it does. Maybe it truly was an accident, but what was done afterwards was extremly sinister.

[cassidy]

No he couldn't...he was the Anthony's attorney during the time that he was around....he would be in violation of "attorney/client privledge"....


thanks I thought so but wasnt' sure.

[NYGalPal]

Doesn't surprise me at all...I thought something was rotten from day one when LP mentioned this tape.....I hope the he can be prosecuted for holding back evidence.....It was so obvious that he was talking to someone on thta phone that was giving him directions on where to look......I wonder who? Could be Lee.....maybe that is why he stayed away for so long.....JMO

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Can't the prosecuter get the phone records that would trace back the number of the person he was talking to? Lee or Cindy is what I think.

[breezie]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

He's all up in arms about the video, but the question for Conway is why was the Anthonys PI in that area searching? A doubt a live Caylee would be there...hhmmmmnnnn.... were they searching for a ::gasp:: dead Caylee, too?

[Mairi II]

that was me. I didn't note it. I asked the question :)


I would imagine Nejame (sp?) could be deposed based on conversations that took place with a 3rd party present - perhaps an investigator or whatever. I don't believe that sort of info is protected... only info that was between attorney and client.

[nc1948]

Whoa! Let's back up just a minute here..These are the same Anthony's who were seem skipping gleefully out of the jail saying "She's close! Casey says she close"??
And the same Anthony's who were ONLY searching for a LIVE Caylee?
those Anthony's?? They OWN this tape of a PI who is quite obviously looking for somehting (most likely evidence)? The same Anthony's who dissed TES and all the searchers? They sent a PI out to slash open garbage bags looking for what?I honestly don't think this case can get any more bizarre. Can it?
Time for LE to take of the kid gloves where the Anthony's are concerned IMO

They also searched their own back yard. I guess they were looking for a live Caylee that had been hiding there for 30 days. George drove around a billboard with a non working phone number. Yes, they were definitely looking for a live Caylee. These people have really played us for the last 6 months. A web site set up while you are waiting on Le to arrive so you can collect donations.

[Barbara fl.]

That's bothered me from the get-go too. There is no way on God's green earth that Cindy would NOT have known where Casey was taking Caylee to stay with the "nanny". 2 granddaughters here, both in daycare and I know where they are, the phone # and am on the "in case of emergency" call list at both. If I wasn't, I'd sure find out REAL quickly why not!

JMO


I agree, that whole bit doesn't make any sense....especially that Casey and Caylee lived at home with Cindy and George.....They would have insisted to know where Caylee was being kept during the day while Casey went to her fake job.....There is just NO way I wouldn't have known where my granddaughter was.....

[starling]

http://www.baynews9.com/content/36/2009/1/11/424180.html

Utility worker who found remains to speak out
More information is also coming to light about the man who found the little girl's remains last month.

Roy Kronk was hired by Orange County Utilities in May 2008. Prior to his employment with the utility, he owned a bail bond company and worked as a bounty hunter in Tennessee for almost 11 years.

Kronk's attorney said he and his client are flying to New York next week to do a paid interview on one of the network morning shows. According to his attorney, Kronk wants to "set the record straight" about his involvement with the Anthony case.

Bounty hunter.......Ohhhhhhhhh


PAID?????????
This thing has become a circus riding in on the tragic death of a child!


JMO

[nc1948]

Ok this makes no sense to me. You have a tape that you say you didnt pay for you show it to the defense on your show but not the tv audience because you state you will not pay a " Kings Ransom" but you have the tape. So does that mean that you were given the tape without a prearrange " Licensing Fee" Also Channel 9 also has the tape they were not allowed to air the sound stated that they got it from Hoover they state they were only able to tape in 1.30 min increments of the tape to air it. Also Holly Bristow from local Fox35 has the tape shows the same footage Channel 9 had with the A's attorney stating that this is their tape but they dont have the tape. Their are way too many copies of this tape that no one has that no one has paid for. And way too many people up in arms about a video in shich they are stating DC didn't know where he was looking...does that make sense


makes a lot more sense than any of the details of this case.

[Lavenia]

No he couldn't...he was the Anthony's attorney during the time that he was around....he would be in violation of "attorney/client privledge"....

However that doesn't apply IF the attorney is aware of ongoing criminal activity by his clients. I don't know to what extent the privilege would be damaged, though. KATPRINT?!

[SBT123]

Has there been breaking news ? Reading the last page of the thread here you all are talking about Cindy having known the whole time and wearing pink handcuffs , what did I miss ?

[NYGalPal]

I'm sorry but IMO it does. Maybe it truly was an accident, but what was done afterwards was extremly sinister.

Casey's actions before and after proves she planned on killing Caylee.

What they are still doing is extremely sinister. Makes me ill.

[NYGalPal]

Has there been breaking news ? Reading the last page of the thread here you all are talking about Cindy having known the whole time and wearing pink handcuffs , what did I miss ?
Morning. Hope you are in a better mood today.

Read the thread from the beginning. Links and info provided.

Cindy has known the whole time.

[JHP]

I agree, that whole bit doesn't make any sense....especially that Casey and Caylee lived at home with Cindy and George.....They would have insisted to know where Caylee was being kept during the day while Casey went to her fake job.....There is just NO way I wouldn't have known where my granddaughter was.....


Especially if you had seen "someone" because you were concerned about your daughters behavior with your granddaughter.
I hope LE has talked to this therapist/counselor whoever Cindy got advice from.
Although it wouldn't surprise me if they were fake also.

JMO

[SBT123]

PAID?????????
This thing has become a circus riding in on the tragic death of a child!


JMO

Makes you wonder if the private eyes , and bondsman all shared notes? Kronks un reported visit back to the site of body 11-10-08 ? The tape recorded 11-15-16th

[nc1948]

The first time I saw them was on the Today Show, George was holding a bear "that Caylee always slept with". I remember thinking that bear was brand new.
Looking back, this was set up from the start IMO.

You are so right. Caylee was almost 3 and if that had been her bear it would have been tattered and worn. When I saw it I thought the same thing as you - Brand New.

[JHP]

Casey's actions before and after proves she planned on killing Caylee.

What they are still doing is extremely sinister. Makes me ill.

Gets worse every day.

[NYGalPal]

Makes you wonder if the private eyes , and bondsman all shared notes? Keonks un reported visit back to the site of body 11-10-08 ?

Why would a PI and a bondsman share notes?

Who is Keonk?

[Barbara fl.]

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Can't the prosecuter get the phone records that would trace back the number of the person he was talking to? Lee or Cindy is what I think.


Yes...and I heard that LE is already trying to get those records...And I pity the one whose number comes up (if it's Lee or Cindy or George)...I now believe this was the sole purpose of hiring a PI....The Anthony's knew that they couldn't go back there without being seen.....Once when George drove to the airport area and got out of his car and stood there for a minute...it was all over the media....they knew they would be followed.....However, they figured they could trust a PI...

I also believe it was done in order to keep the body hidden....As long as the Anthony's kept saying that Caylee was alive, Casey stood a better chance of getting off.....

But then Kronk came along.....and thank goodness for that...or we would still be hearing about phoney sightings....JMO

[ellegna]

Oh boy, I bet the anthonys are livid that Jim Hoover beat them out of this video. My question would be, whose camera did he use, what are they basing their claim to the tape on?

Last I heard, Hoover was an unpaid volunteer for the anthonys. Something is rotten in Denmark imo......

Thanks Swarvie.

Absolutely amazing
When the tape first surfaced, everyone denied it existed. Now that there's $$$$ to be made, everyone claims to own it.

If D Casey denied Hoover worked for him, Hoover makes this video, technically it is Hoover's property, so how did the A's end up having the right to grant permission to air the tape for free? Better yet. How long have they known about? :sneaky:

Conway states he only saw the video Sunday but yet LKB saw it Friday on Geraldo? If the A's own this tape, how come Conway was left out of the loop?

Strange....Very very strange

[Lavenia]

Makes you wonder if the private eyes , and bondsman all shared notes? Kronks un reported visit back to the site of body 11-10-08 ? The tape recorded 11-15-16th

Makes me wonder if half of Orlando met in an auditorium and planned the whole thing. (Maybe a sliiight exaggeration, but still.)

[Barbara fl.]

Why would a PI and a bondsman share notes?

Who is Keonk?


They wouldn't share notes....I believe LP is also involved in this money scheme with Hoover....but he knows how to keep his nose clean....JMO

[NYGalPal]

Gets worse every day.

I agree. It's insane.

[Motomom]

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Can't the prosecuter get the phone records that would trace back the number of the person he was talking to? Lee or Cindy is what I think.

According to a link previously posted, they do know who he was talking to but are not revealing who just now.

[JHP]

You are so right. Caylee was almost 3 and if that had been her bear it would have been tattered and worn. When I saw it I thought the same thing as you - Brand New.

Then remember after Casey was bailed out and LE went there quite late looking for a gun George forgot he bought? I think someone from LE was holding that very bear which they found in Georges trunk.

Nothing makes sense and that is what troubles me most.

JMO

[CC I See]

I think that with the newly released information about the video tape of the area where Caylee's body was later found explains a few things.... at least to me.

It explains why the Anthony's were always quick to say that Caylee was spotted in locations far away such as Texas, Puerto Rico and Georgia. It also explains why Cindy was so adamant about looking for a live Caylee and did not support Tim Miller in his search in the Orlando area for Caylee's remains.

I am not saying outright that they knew all along that Caylee's remains were where they found them, but what I am saying is that they strongly suspected that they were there and they also knew who was responsible. They then tried everything they could to mislead and throw everyone off the track.

Instead of Cindy and George being in deep denial about Caylee's fate, what they were doing was throwing people off the trail by continually stating that Caylee was seen in various locations throughout the US. It wasn't denial, but an attempt to disrupt the search locally.

If they strongly suspected that Caylee's remains were where they were found and said nothing.... than LE should take a strong look at everything else they have said about this case.... and yes, this could be why they want immunity.

I also suspect that we have been scammed in some way and that some of the posters right here on this board have been right all along about these people.

[?noanswer]

Regarding the person who demanded a "king's ransom" from GR, GR said it was Hoover who wanted money. The A's let him air at for no cost on Sun. night. Sat. night he supposedly played it for his guests who commented on it. The A's supposedly own the video. It's bad enough that the criminal case has so many contriversal twists & turns, now a video has taken on a life of its own. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

makes a lot more sense than any of the details of this case.


I agree.......:lol:

[really3997]

Makes me wonder if half of Orlando met in an auditorium and planned the whole thing. (Maybe a sliiight exaggeration, but still.)

Hey:scared:

[ellegna]

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Can't the prosecuter get the phone records that would trace back the number of the person he was talking to? Lee or Cindy is what I think.

Yes they can and I think it's Lee and Cindy too. Let's hope if it was Lee/Cindy they used the house land line or their own cell phones and not a disposable phone.

[NYGalPal]

They wouldn't share notes....I believe LP is also involved in this money scheme with Hoover....but he knows how to keep his nose clean....JMO

I didn't think so. Wonder if LP is? Maybe they'll all be busted, put in jail and that innocent child can have a decent burial? Wishful thinking on my part.

[desmom]

That's bothered me from the get-go too. There is no way on God's green earth that Cindy would NOT have known where Casey was taking Caylee to stay with the "nanny". 2 granddaughters here, both in daycare and I know where they are, the phone # and am on the "in case of emergency" call list at both. If I wasn't, I'd sure find out REAL quickly why not!

JMO

but she did know....

In the 7/30/08 interview with the FBI, http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html Cindy explained to the FBI how she gave LE the last known number ... address she had for Zanny in case she ever had to pick Caylee up. (the first 2 minutes of the interview)

:blink: jmo

[desmom]

Sorry if this question has been asked before. Can't the prosecuter get the phone records that would trace back the number of the person he was talking to? Lee or Cindy is what I think.


It would take a warrant I think. Would the video and Dominic's statements to the media be enough evidence for a judge to sign a warrant?

[NYGalPal]

According to a link previously posted, they do know who he was talking to but are not revealing who just now.

I'll have to read that. Thanks.

[AJandTam]

I tend to agree with you Tam, they sure aren't like ANY OTHER family of a murdered granddaughter, that's for "dog gone" sure. Something is very wrong and I too hope LE and the FBI take off the gloves.

And get to the bottom of what really happened. This may be a case of things are not what they seem...

[Motomom]

I'll have to read that. Thanks.

It may have been on lst nights thread, the last few pages I think.

[?noanswer]

Mornn Regina

Something smells very bad with this. Casey is heard on the tape saying "it should be right there". KNowing that now, we can safely assume that the info came from whoever dumped the body. We assume it was Casey, so if the info came from Casey, then we can be pretty sure that the parents knew about it. Not such a great leap of faith to claim that as fact. So now the A's have a whole lot whoop-a@@ about to come down on them. Obstruction, fraud etc.

Conway is livid, probably because he never got the immunity deal he wanted. Maybe mow we all know why he wanted the deal for the A's.

This is getting ugly and real quick for the A's.

IMO

This taping happened 11-15,16. Nejames resigned on 11-20. Just another conincidence or did the searching have something to do with Nejames resigning. JMO

[Lavenia]

Hey:scared:

(I guess you missed the invite... :laugh:)

[NYGalPal]

It may have been on lst nights thread, the last few pages I think.

Very helpful. Running off to read now.

[Barbara fl.]

Regarding the person who demanded a "king's ransom" from GR, GR said it was Hoover who wanted money. The A's let him air at for no cost on Sun. night. Sat. night he supposedly played it for his guests who commented on it. The A's supposedly own the video. It's bad enough that the criminal case has so many contriversal twists & turns, now a video has taken on a life of its own. JMO


GR said that when the Anthony's heard that Hoover was selling the tape they immediately gave the tape free of charge and stipulated that Hoover is not to receive a penny because the tape belongs to the Anthony's.....

This can also be very bad for the Anthony's...they had to have had the tape since November and said nothing about it....They had to know that MR. Casey was not looking for a live Caylee in those woods.....

I think it got the best of the Anthony's and they hired a PI to look in the area that "PROBABLY" Casey had told Lee about.....JMO


I don't think there was ever a doubt in Cindy or George's mind that Caylee was deceased....they were just trying to protect Casey.....I guess it didn't matter whether Caylee was put to rest after what her mother did to her....the priorities was Casey.....JMOO

[?noanswer]

Ok this makes no sense to me. You have a tape that you say you didnt pay for you show it to the defense on your show but not the tv audience because you state you will not pay a " Kings Ransom" but you have the tape. So does that mean that you were given the tape without a prearrange " Licensing Fee" Also Channel 9 also has the tape they were not allowed to air the sound stated that they got it from Hoover they state they were only able to tape in 1.30 min increments of the tape to air it. Also Holly Bristow from local Fox35 has the tape shows the same footage Channel 9 had with the A's attorney stating that this is their tape but they dont have the tape. Their are way too many copies of this tape that no one has that no one has paid for. And way too many people up in arms about a video in shich they are stating DC didn't know where he was looking...does that make sense


No .......... JMO

[really3997]

(I guess you missed the invite... :laugh:)

Fine by me this is one party I would not want to attend.....:wink:

[AJandTam]

According to a link previously posted, they do know who he was talking to but are not revealing who just now.

Which translates to, incrimination. Why w/hold it if it was just some innocent soul... like his sick daughter??? Whoever he was talking to, is associated w/the murder IMHO.

[?noanswer]

Tomorrow not today someone said earlier.

Oh and somewhere a link that Kronk was a bounty hunter in TN for 11 years...

Doesn't Todd Black supposedly work for a Co. out of TN.? Also didn't early on, LP say a Co. in TN was working on a movie deal? JMO

[Barbara fl.]

This taping happened 11-15,16. Nejames resigned on 11-20. Just another conincidence or did the searching have something to do with Nejames resigning. JMO


It might very well have something to do with his resigning....He was not the type to be involved in something like this...he probably knew it would hit the fan and he would look real bad....I would have bailed also....

[shelbar53]

morning all. ok I was snooping all over the internet this weekend and this is what I found. Very strange and has me confused as to the significance if any.

short video excerpt of casey and lee. sound like casey said "she is close to hope"
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

the body was found between 2 homes, one with a name of zenida, the other the name of gonzales:
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=hopespring+&city_zip=orlando+&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

aerial view view where the body was found {pink dot}, the homes with addreses and names.
http://i39.tinypic.com/f10egm.jpg

[AJandTam]

Doesn't Todd Black supposedly work for a Co. out of TN.? Also didn't early on, LP say a Co. in TN was working on a movie deal? JMO

Hmmmmmmmmm not sure noanswer.. good questions.

[?noanswer]

Nejames can't be deposed on anything they said to him while he was retained as their attorney, can he?

I don't think so. But if he learned things from other sources, he probably can relate that. JMO

[destiny1]

"The Anthony’s attorney, Brad Conway, saw the tape for the first time Sunday night and he's not very happy about it because he says the person who released that video had no right to do so.

The video was shot on November 15, 2008 and shows the Anthony family's private investigator, Dominick Casey, searching through the wooded area where Caylee's body was discovered on December 11, 3 1/2 weeks later.

Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations."
__________________________________________________ ______


Good Morning everyone.

This tape actually belonged to the Anthonys?

I can see that, but why did the anthonys former attorney Nejame reseign so quickly after this tape was made?

Edited to add
If the person worked for the anthonys, but made that tape independently for some reason, then the tape would be his (Hoovers).

I would love to know if he was on the phone with one of the Anthonys.

[Barbara fl.]

Which translates to, incrimination. Why w/hold it if it was just some innocent soul... like his sick daughter??? Whoever he was talking to, is associated w/the murder IMHO.


Maybe not the murder, but certainly the cover up....I believe that Casey worked alone on this and when the family realized what they were up against they had to figure their next move....they probably immediately agreed on trying to save Casey....

This is also the reason they refused to take a polygraph....Lee was the first to refuse and I understand he convinced his parents not to take one.....THere would have been NO other reason for any of them not to agree to a polygraph........JMOO

[nc1948]

Conway now claims he owns the tape.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html

Is this the tape that everyone says did not exist and was taped over. Oh, I am so confused. I really need another cup of coffee and can I get a volunteer assistant.

[JHP]

This taping happened 11-15,16. Nejames resigned on 11-20. Just another conincidence or did the searching have something to do with Nejames resigning. JMO

The A's were involved in something REALLY shady for Nejames to have quit.
He then immediatly took on Tim Miller. I think that was something to offset an Anthony plan MN wanted no part of.

JMO

[AMS]

Doesn't Todd Black supposedly work for a Co. out of TN.? Also didn't early on, LP say a Co. in TN was working on a movie deal? JMO

I do remember something about a company in TN and a movie deal but can't remember any of the details.

[destiny1]

This taping happened 11-15,16. Nejames resigned on 11-20. Just another conincidence or did the searching have something to do with Nejames resigning. JMO

I believe now that it is a good possibility that the body was discovered during that time, and Nejame knew it. He had to resign for ethical and moral reasons.

[desmom]

Yes...and I heard that LE is already trying to get those records...And I pity the one whose number comes up (if it's Lee or Cindy or George)...I now believe this was the sole purpose of hiring a PI....The Anthony's knew that they couldn't go back there without being seen.....Once when George drove to the airport area and got out of his car and stood there for a minute...it was all over the media....they knew they would be followed.....However, they figured they could trust a PI...

I also believe it was done in order to keep the body hidden....As long as the Anthony's kept saying that Caylee was alive, Casey stood a better chance of getting off.....

But then Kronk came along.....and thank goodness for that...or we would still be hearing about phoney sightings....JMO

When Casey was released on bond shortly after she arrived home George left the house agitated. He took off walking down the street. Lee picked him. http://www.wftv.com/video/17257635/index.html

I have always wondered what "agitated" George to make him leave the house that day and where he was going. jmo

[cassidy]

Is this the tape that everyone says did not exist and was taped over. Oh, I am so confused. I really need another cup of coffee and can I get a volunteer assistant.

Just how many copies of this tape are out there. Conway owns it. The Anthony's own it. Hoover owns it. Geraldo has one. Why so many copies? Or is it all the same tape and they are passing it around? Weird I'll tell ya!

[Barbara fl.]

I do remember something about a company in TN and a movie deal but can't remember any of the details.


I believe Lenny Padilla mentioned it on the NG show....He claimed that the 2 companies that bonded Casey out the second time did it for a movie deal.....But, I would take everything that LP say with a BOX of salt....JMOO

[?noanswer]

I would imagine Nejame (sp?) could be deposed based on conversations that took place with a 3rd party present - perhaps an investigator or whatever. I don't believe that sort of info is protected... only info that was between attorney and client.

By jove, I think you are correct. So, if he heard the A's and D. Casey discussing this, then he could talk about it. JMO

[Pooh]

I believe now that it is a good possibility that the body was discovered during that time, and Nejame knew it. He had to resign for ethical and moral reasons.

Something big happened, I think. Remember how Nejame acted when he quit? He was pretty animated and he normally isn't. He seemed pretty fired up about not wanting anything to do with Casey's defense. It's too coincidental to me that he quit right after that tape was made.

[Barbara fl.]

Just how many copies of this tape are out there. Conway owns it. The Anthony's own it. Hoover owns it. Geraldo has one. Why so many copies? Or is it all the same tape and they are passing it around? Weird I'll tell ya!


Oh, I'm sure it's not the same tape....there must be hundreds, thousands, millions...who knows....they will probably be at block buster this week.....

[AMS]

Just how many copies of this tape are out there. Conway owns it. The Anthony's own it. Hoover owns it. Geraldo has one. Why so many copies? Or is it all the same tape and they are passing it around? Weird I'll tell ya!

I just read that Fox News gave a copy to Local 6. WFTV has a copy.

[Motomom]

I believe Lenny Padilla mentioned it on the NG show....He claimed that the 2 companies that bonded Casey out the second time did it for a movie deal.....But, I would take everything that LP say with a BOX of salt....JMOO

The only thing with Lenny, especially when it comes to something that involves money, he's been right a few times. We learn days or weeks later that he did have that scoop.. his nose knows the money IMO

[Barbara fl.]

Something big happened, I think. Remember how Nejame acted when he quit? He was pretty animated and he normally isn't. He seemed pretty fired up about not wanting anything to do with Casey's defense. It's too coincidental to me that he quit right after that tape was made.

I agree, I believe it did have something to do with the tape...

[AJandTam]

Maybe not the murder, but certainly the cover up....I believe that Casey worked alone on this and when the family realized what they were up against they had to figure their next move....they probably immediately agreed on trying to save Casey....

This is also the reason they refused to take a polygraph....Lee was the first to refuse and I understand he convinced his parents not to take one.....THere would have been NO other reason for any of them not to agree to a polygraph........JMOO

We are starting to see pure evil unravel. Maybe things are not what they seem Barbara.. Somethings just not right w/this whole story. What would motivate Lee to send his own behind to prison for the rest of his life for a mentally ill sister?? What is truly motivating the parents. Who seem to be milking this baby for every penny they can get out of her.... I don't know what is going on, but I think we must have a huge portion of this story wrong. Seriously, the parents are starting to look more evil than there daughter.

[trich]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Latest news from Conway, Admits the video belongs to the A's.

Interesting that Conway says the tape belongs to the Anthonys....why did he not explain why Casey was searching there.....did the Anthonys
send him there?
Why was he even searching since according to Anthonys Caylee was alive and why was he not investigating the tips they say they had received about a live Caylee?

[Mairi II]

By jove, I think you are correct. So, if he heard the A's and D. Casey discussing this, then he could talk about it. JMO

That's my understanding. Even if the A's were speaking directly to him and admitted something, if there was a 3rd party present, it's not privileged.

[JHP]

Oh, I'm sure it's not the same tape....there must be hundreds, thousands, millions...who knows....they will probably be at block buster this week.....

:lol: I just spit my coffee.

[desmom]

morning all. ok I was snooping all over the internet this weekend and this is what I found. Very strange and has me confused as to the significance if any.

short video excerpt of casey and lee. sound like casey said "she is close to hope"
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

the body was found between 2 homes, one with a name of zenida, the other the name of gonzales:
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=hopespring+&city_zip=orlando+&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

aerial view view where the body was found {pink dot}, the homes with addreses and names.
http://i39.tinypic.com/f10egm.jpg


OMG! She does say "she is close to hope" :scared:

ETA ~ Conversation was held on 7/26.

[Neffy]

Oh, I'm sure it's not the same tape....there must be hundreds, thousands, millions...who knows....they will probably be at block buster this week.....

:laugh:

....

[ellegna]

This taping happened 11-15,16. Nejames resigned on 11-20. Just another conincidence or did the searching have something to do with Nejames resigning. JMO

I wouldn't be the least surprised Nejame gave the A's some strong advice and they chose to ignore. IMO. There was something very wrong going on in that house and Nejame did not want to be party to it. I agree with Destiny1 Nejame resigned for moral and ethical reasons.

[really3997]

"The Anthony’s attorney, Brad Conway, saw the tape for the first time Sunday night and he's not very happy about it because he says the person who released that video had no right to do so.

The video was shot on November 15, 2008 and shows the Anthony family's private investigator, Dominick Casey, searching through the wooded area where Caylee's body was discovered on December 11, 3 1/2 weeks later.

Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations."
__________________________________________________ ______


Good Morning everyone.

This tape actually belonged to the Anthonys?

I can see that, but why did the anthonys former attorney Nejame reseign so quickly after this tape was made?

Edited to add
If the person worked for the anthonys, but made that tape independently for some reason, then the tape would be his (Hoovers).

I would love to know if he was on the phone with one of the Anthonys.

Bolding mine
Now if this was the Anthonys tape but Hoover seems to be the one who had the tape. How come it is being said (fox 35) that the Anthony's are giving this tape to the media for free but their attorney just saw it Sunday. How many copies of the exact same parts of this tape are floating around. Is Conway mad he is certainly out of this loop. This is three kinds of crazy...

[Barbara fl.]

The only thing with Lenny, especially when it comes to something that involves money, he's been right a few times. We learn days or weeks later that he did have that scoop.. his nose knows the money IMO


That's probably because he has his nose in everything....this guy wont let this case go...IMO, he never should have gotten involved in the first place....

Think about it....What would a bounty hunter from 3000 miles away have to do with a little girl missing in Florida? It was for the fortune and fame involved to a high profile case...thats all...

There are millions of children missing each year...why did this one grab him? Tim Miller, I can understand, he does this all the time. But a bounty hunter from across the country?

[cassidy]

OMG! She does say "she is close to hope" :scared:

ETA ~ Conversation was held on 7/26.

So where does Hope (you know the bestest mommy ever) live?

[CC I See]

I wouldn't be the least surprised Nejame gave the A's some strong advice and they chose to ignore. IMO. There was something very wrong going on in that house and Nejame did not want to be party to it. I agree with Destiny1 Nejame resigned for moral and ethical reasons.

Good for him.... one of the few players in this drama with ethical values. I knew he just didn't fit with these people.

[Motomom]

We are starting to see pure evil unravel. Maybe things are not what they seem Barbara.. Somethings just not right w/this whole story. What would motivate Lee to send his own behind to prison for the rest of his life for a mentally ill sister?? What is truly motivating the parents. Who seem to be milking this baby for every penny they can get out of her.... I don't know what is going on, but I think we must have a huge portion of this story wrong. Seriously, the parents are starting to look more evil than there daughter.

Casey isn't mentally ill IMO.. we can treat the ill.. Casey cannot be treated. We haven't heard of the parents making anymore money since the pictures that were sold. There was a motive in releasing the tape IMO but it wasn't money. I think that in their minds if they have this video of the same area where Caylee was found (which I can't tell that it is) back in Nov. showing no body..then Casey couldn't have dumped her and didn't kill her because Casey was in jail. However, like I said last night, what they didn't realize was if indeed her body was not there (but it was imo) it would look like one of them dumped her. Maybe they think they are above that speculation? Whatever is the truth with this video, I don't think the A's thought it would be turned against them...unless it is like someone else here has suggested and a reverse daisy chain.. Kronk could have called the A hotline after feeling unsatisfied with the police search there. JMO

[SBT123]

Morning. Hope you are in a better mood today.

Read the thread from the beginning. Links and info provided.

Cindy has known the whole time.



Better mood ? I am confused on that .....you mean if I'm in a better mood I may change my feelings about ZG suing for defamation and my feeling that it is a total farce? A better mood will never change that .Mt feelings on that directly related to the FACTS surrounding the lawsuit and the facts can not be changed. When you set out to sue for defamation you must prove intent to injure whomever you are defaming and Casey did not SET OUT to hurt THAT ZG , there is clear evidence of that as the biological profile and details are not of THAT ZG . NOW if another ZG could be found who is 24 , has no kids has a sister named Samantha with 2 kids a mother named Gloria and a father named Victor ,whom are all wealthy ,well THAT ZG may have a story to share , but by now its too late cause THAT ZG will not have had damages either as there never was a babysitter to begin with and LE and most of the world has known this for over 6 months.


To prove defamation you also have to prove that you were damaged and have damages to show , but first you have to show that what the defendant stated about you is FALSE --------------but most importantly it CAN'T be based on a NAME ALONE .Morgan is trying to allege that CASEY used the sign n guest card at SAWGRASS from 6-17-08 as a source of where she got the name ............however ZG did not sign her name Z -F-G , she signed it without the hyphen and CASEY highlighted the FERNANDEZ hyphen repeatedly as well gave a full biologically profile of the phantom ZG she was refering to that is totally different then the ZG SUING .....................furthermore ruled THAT ZG OUT early on 100% .


There is an identity crisis here and it is ZG WANTING TO BE Z-F-G , her and her Attorneys have tried desperately to make ZG into the Z-F-G abd tried to SPIN ZG into the character ,but you can't , because the ZG has 6 kids ,ZG is not RICH , she doesn't have a sister named Samantha with 2 kids , nor a mother and father named Glorida and Victor and CASEY specifically stated when picking the REAL ZG out of a line up where in ZG was in her face stated NONE were the ZG she had used as a babysitter.


And well again go back and read the statutes of what one must prove ,when you have the WRONG PERSON it just has a big hole in the bucket .I am not AWARE of any defamation suit that was based on a name alone and further more the WRONG LEGAL NAME .


Its unfortunate that THIS ZG has a similar name and thats bout the end of it . If ZG was damaged by people questioning her name when they saw it as she said showing her license through check out booths while shopping , oh well what a coincidence , but most people remember the term ZANNY or Z-F-G and there are plenty of other people in the world with the name ZG , but again you can't sue for defamation because of a NAME ALONE . You have to have atleast known the person and set out to defame and hurt them ,then prove damages .........NONE of the damages that she is asserting can be even casually related to CASEY , because CASEY used a totally different name , profile and lets not forget there was no babysitter m,it was a phantom name thats it !



IF any jury takes the evidence at hand and asserts a charge there will be an appeal and it will have been only because they hate Casey so much that they would do anything to pin something else on her .


I'm not defending CASEY , she killed her little girl .I am in disgust over a baseless lawsuit that DOES waste the taxpayers time and ultimately my money .



Welll I'll go back the other 3 pages and look and see the links you say are there that provide the details of Cindy's pending arrest.


Thanks Gal Pal for asking how I am doing.

[Regina.Lampert]

Reg....another poster noted that Nejames can't be deposed....Can he???????

I don't think so Mac, do you....it's that ticklish attorney/client privilege thing.

[?noanswer]

Maybe not the murder, but certainly the cover up....I believe that Casey worked alone on this and when the family realized what they were up against they had to figure their next move....they probably immediately agreed on trying to save Casey....

This is also the reason they refused to take a polygraph....Lee was the first to refuse and I understand he convinced his parents not to take one.....THere would have been NO other reason for any of them not to agree to a polygraph........JMOO

It appears the A's may have written the 2nd script to continue after KC's "script" ended. JMO

[AMS]

OMG! She does say "she is close to hope" :scared:

ETA ~ Conversation was held on 7/26.

Wow! Between this statement and the info from the posts yesterday regarding the "Zeneida" and "Gonzales" neighbor's yards.....Casey is giving info the Lee. IMO.

[AJandTam]

Casey isn't mentally ill IMO.. we can treat the ill.. Casey cannot be treated. We haven't heard of the parents making anymore money since the pictures that were sold. There was a motive in releasing the tape IMO but it wasn't money. I think that in their minds if they have this video of the same area where Caylee was found (which I can't tell that it is) back in Nov. showing no body..then Casey couldn't have dumped her and didn't kill her because Casey was in jail. However, like I said last night, what they didn't realize was if indeed her body was not there (but it was imo) it would look like one of them dumped her. Maybe they think they are above that speculation? Whatever is the truth with this video, I don't think the A's thought it would be turned against them...unless it is like someone else here has suggested and a reverse daisy chain.. Kronk could have called the A hotline after feeling unsatisfied with the police search there. JMO


I don't know Moto. This is one very strange evil bunch of people. There is something wrong here... I don't know what.

[?noanswer]

Is this the tape that everyone says did not exist and was taped over. Oh, I am so confused. I really need another cup of coffee and can I get a volunteer assistant.

I think so. Also, the same one that LP claims to have reported to Nick Savage of the FBI. JMO

[Motomom]

That's probably because he has his nose in everything....this guy wont let this case go...IMO, he never should have gotten involved in the first place....

Think about it....What would a bounty hunter from 3000 miles away have to do with a little girl missing in Florida? It was for the fortune and fame involved to a high profile case...thats all...

There are millions of children missing each year...why did this one grab him? Tim Miller, I can understand, he does this all the time. But a bounty hunter from across the country?

Barbara I agree with you there.. but in his defense, we can't let this case go either. He got a front row seat. He had to see dollar signs when this story was first reported and it grew and grew. I agree.. All I was saying was..he's been right about a few things..the first time I realized that was after one of the interviews with George were released. I can't remember what exactly it was that George said but LP had reported it on NG days or so before that. He must be talking to someone.. and of all of the people HE is who the A's don't want at Caylees memorial..right or wrong, for money or not, he was searching for her and got under Cindy's skin big time.. She protested too much when it came to Lenny..

[destiny1]

morning all. ok I was snooping all over the internet this weekend and this is what I found. Very strange and has me confused as to the significance if any.

short video excerpt of casey and lee. sound like casey said "she is close to hope"
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

the body was found between 2 homes, one with a name of zenida, the other the name of gonzales:
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=hopespring+&city_zip=orlando+&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

aerial view view where the body was found {pink dot}, the homes with addreses and names.
http://i39.tinypic.com/f10egm.jpg

I wonder how Casey could have known to place Caylees body there. I find it too coincidental, but with this being a semi-closed neighborhood, she had plenty of time to research and possibly find a registry showing the names of the neighbors.

Another puzzling item is that didn't Jesse mention Zenaida was mentioned 1 or 2 years ago? This area was allegedly a pet cemetery so to speak.

This is just too many coincidences. One atop the next.

These people are IMO not what they seem. Not even after we know what we know.

[dixielover]

I said yesterday that my attorney friend told me that there can not be that many coincidences in a case.

I believe that LA knew all along where Caylee was- I think someone tipped Kronk- not saying he did anything wrong but most MR does not wander into snake infested area where there is no houses to meter read. I think he was looking for something specific. When the water cames, no more tips from Kronk- you would think that a PI would be hollering from the roof tops. Either he forgot (doubt it)about it or he was suppose to be the one that found her. I also think that the As knew around the time of the first tip- they stopped seeing KC in jail- wasn't the jail house tapes froze by this time- I don't think we saw the 8/14 tape.

I can't remember when LP learned about the tapes but he stated he told NS- maybe NS told him to hold off saying anything and let them watch and wait.

Do I think this went as planned- no I think there was a specific reason for the tape and it had to do with KC defense. Nejames got wind of it and quit. The Ca trip was all a set up like everything else.

Also everyone has talked about the As grieving- I think they have already been through the grief process starting way back- denial- anger (remember the hammer) and now acceptance and trying to get their daughter off. - we watched it all!! I probably am wrong but this is going to be a great trial. - I am sad that that beautiful loving child was the victim of this messed up family. jmo

[Mairi II]

Better mood ? I am confused on that .....you mean if I'm in a better mood I may change my feelings about ZG suing for defamation and my feeling that it is a total farce? A better mood will never change that .Mt feelings on that directly related to the FACTS surrounding the lawsuit and the facts can not be changed. When you set out to sue for defamation you must prove intent to injure whomever you are defaming and Casey did not SET OUT to hurt THAT ZG , there is clear evidence of that as the biological profile and details are not of THAT ZG . NOW if another ZG could be found who is 24 , has no kids has a sister named Samantha with 2 kids a mother named Gloria and a father named Victor ,whom are all wealthy ,well THAT ZG may have a story to share , but by now its too late cause THAT ZG will not have had damages either as there never was a babysitter to begin with and LE and most of the world has known this for over 6 months.


To prove defamation you also have to prove that you were damaged and have damages to show , but first you have to show that what the defendant stated about you is FALSE --------------but most importantly it CAN'T be based on a NAME ALONE .Morgan is trying to allege that CASEY used the sign n guest card at SAWGRASS from 6-17-08 as a source of where she got the name ............however ZG did not sign her name Z -F-G , she signed it without the hyphen and CASEY highlighted the FERNANDEZ hyphen repeatedly as well gave a full biologically profile of the phantom ZG she was refering to that is totally different then the ZG SUING .....................furthermore ruled THAT ZG OUT early on 100% .


There is an identity crisis here and it is ZG WANTING TO BE Z-F-G , her and her Attorneys have tried desperately to make ZG into the Z-F-G abd tried to SPIN ZG into the character ,but you can't , because the ZG has 6 kids ,ZG is not RICH , she doesn't have a sister named Samantha with 2 kids , nor a mother and father named Glorida and Victor and CASEY specifically stated when picking the REAL ZG out of a line up where in ZG was in her face stated NONE were the ZG she had used as a babysitter.


And well again go back and read the statutes of what one must prove ,when you have the WRONG PERSON it just has a big hole in the bucket .I am not AWARE of any defamation suit that was based on a name alone and further more the WRONG LEGAL NAME .


Its unfortunate that THIS ZG has a similar name and thats bout the end of it . If ZG was damaged by people questioning her name when they saw it as she said showing her license through check out booths while shopping , oh well what a coincidence , but most people remember the term ZANNY or Z-F-G and there are plenty of other people in the world with the name ZG , but again you can't sue for defamation because of a NAME ALONE . You have to have atleast known the person and set out to defame and hurt them ,then prove damages .........NONE of the damages that she is asserting can be even casually related to CASEY , because CASEY used a totally different name , profile and lets not forget there was no babysitter m,it was a phantom name thats it !



IF any jury takes the evidence at hand and asserts a charge there will be an appeal and it will have been only because they hate Casey so much that they would do anything to pin something else on her .


I'm not defending CASEY , she killed her little girl .I am in disgust over a baseless lawsuit that DOES waste the taxpayers time and ultimately my money .



Welll I'll go back the other 3 pages and look and see the links you say are there that provide the details of Cindy's pending arrest.


Thanks Gal Pal for asking how I am doing.

Great post. Well said. I agree 100%. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to exit-stage-left before I get pummeled with rotten eggs.

[Barbara fl.]

We are starting to see pure evil unravel. Maybe things are not what they seem Barbara.. Somethings just not right w/this whole story. What would motivate Lee to send his own behind to prison for the rest of his life for a mentally ill sister?? What is truly motivating the parents. Who seem to be milking this baby for every penny they can get out of her.... I don't know what is going on, but I think we must have a huge portion of this story wrong. Seriously, the parents are starting to look more evil than there daughter.


Well time will certainly tell...I just can not see any involvement of the actual murder by Cindy or George.....I wouldn't doubt if Lee was involved in hiding the body or maybe trying to keep it hid...he seems to be very close to Casey...But I think Cindy would have had to take lessons on how to act when this all first happened...But I believe that the odor in the car and the fact that Caylee was missing would have brought up a red flag for anyone....As much as I would not have wanted to, I would have put 2 and 2 together....(and I probably would have been sitting where Casey is right now) JMO

[PuffDragon]

I just don't know what to think anymore...I just don't..

I'm with you kitty, I've stopped trying to think anything through, it's too convoluted. I'm going to give my mind a break and just let the prosecution put it together. Hopefully we'll be able to watch the trial and then it will all be clear. This new resolution of mine might make it through a few more days...........:rolleyes:

[Mairi II]

.... I'd be interested in hearing your take on the video and its possible implications for G&C. Does it alter your feelings about them at all? Just curious. Thanks!

[Regina.Lampert]

Absolutely amazing
When the tape first surfaced, everyone denied it existed. Now that there's $$$$ to be made, everyone claims to own it.

If D Casey denied Hoover worked for him, Hoover makes this video, technically it is Hoover's property, so how did the A's end up having the right to grant permission to air the tape for free? Better yet. How long have they known about? :sneaky:

Conway states he only saw the video Sunday but yet LKB saw it Friday on Geraldo? If the A's own this tape, how come Conway was left out of the loop?

Strange....Very very strange


Excellent point Ell. I had forgotten how Dominic Casey disavowed Hoover when news of the tape first broke and now that ownership is in question, all of a sudden Hoover was working with DC and for the anthonys.

Something is so wrong here, imo.

[JHP]

Barbara I agree with you there.. but in his defense, we can't let this case go either. He got a front row seat. He had to see dollar signs when this story was first reported and it grew and grew. I agree.. All I was saying was..he's been right about a few things..the first time I realized that was after one of the interviews with George were released. I can't remember what exactly it was that George said but LP had reported it on NG days or so before that. He must be talking to someone.. and of all of the people HE is who the A's don't want at Caylees memorial..right or wrong, for money or not, he was searching for her and got under Cindy's skin big time.. She protested too much when it came to Lenny..

You know, I think all the people Cindy doesnt want at her memorial (which IMO should be small and private). Should get together and do their own memorial. Richard Grund is a minister isn't he? Maybe he could organize it. Cause I'm thinkin he's not on the A list either.

[?noanswer]

Just how many copies of this tape are out there. Conway owns it. The Anthony's own it. Hoover owns it. Geraldo has one. Why so many copies? Or is it all the same tape and they are passing it around? Weird I'll tell ya!

The best I can figure out is that Hoover gave the tape to Fox, then demanded a "king's ransom" for it to be shown. Fox gave it to some other outlets. Some other outlets released snippets of the tape w/o sound. Conway was on GR last night saying the tape belongs to the A's, but he had not seen it. Does that mean that the A's don't have a copy? Now in an article from a link posted above, Conway says he owns the tape (I think that could be a misprint). But if Hoover made the tape and the A's don't have a copy, what are they going to do. It has been posted on this board that whomever takes pictures has ownership rights. Does that apply to video, also. If the A's don't have a contract and did not pay Hoover I don't know how they think they own the tapes. I just hope Conway has not been drinking too much of the A's Cool-Aid. JMO

[SBT123]

Do I think this went as planned- no I think there was a specific reason for the tape and it had to do with KC defense. Nejames got wind of it and quit. The Ca trip was all a set up like everything else. snpped


When did Nejames quit , the tape is dated 11-15 th -16th , didn't Nejames quit before those dates ?

[Pooh]

When did Nejames quit , the tape is dated 11-15 th -16th , didn't Nejames quit before those dates ?

I believe he quit 11/20/08.

[Motomom]

When did Nejames quit , the tape is dated 11-15 th -16th , didn't Nejames quit before those dates ?

I think he quit on the 20th..posted upthread

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara I agree with you there.. but in his defense, we can't let this case go either. He got a front row seat. He had to see dollar signs when this story was first reported and it grew and grew. I agree.. All I was saying was..he's been right about a few things..the first time I realized that was after one of the interviews with George were released. I can't remember what exactly it was that George said but LP had reported it on NG days or so before that. He must be talking to someone.. and of all of the people HE is who the A's don't want at Caylees memorial..right or wrong, for money or not, he was searching for her and got under Cindy's skin big time.. She protested too much when it came to Lenny..


Alot probably came from his nephue who was staying in the house...The fifty thousand dollars was never really turned over to anyone...LP's nephue performed his services for free, because the 50,000 would have had to be paid to him (being the bondsman)...so it was all pretty cheap publicity from the get go.....That is why Florida tried to prevent that from taking place by saying that the 50 grand would have to be paid to a Florida bondsman.....but they resolved it and I believe that it was said to be a courtesy from state to state...LP was never going to put 50 grand out of his pocket....and he didn't...


I just don't trust the guy....JMO

[desmom]

VIDEO REPORT: Dominic Casey At Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18460947/index.html

Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

"He has to be referring to the body," said Sheaffer. "So the significance is, who is on the other end of that cell phone that's told him that these three stones are a point of reference?"

[AJandTam]

Well time will certainly tell...I just can not see any involvement of the actual murder by Cindy or George.....I wouldn't doubt if Lee was involved in hiding the body or maybe trying to keep it hid...he seems to be very close to Casey...But I think Cindy would have had to take lessons on how to act when this all first happened...But I believe that the odor in the car and the fact that Caylee was missing would have brought up a red flag for anyone....As much as I would not have wanted to, I would have put 2 and 2 together....(and I probably would have been sitting where Casey is right now) JMO

I never thought so Barb but the more we learn, the more I start to wonder..

[Pooh]

VIDEO REPORT: Dominic Casey At Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18460947/index.html

Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

"He has to be referring to the body," said Sheaffer. "So the significance is, who is on the other end of that cell phone that's told him that these three stones are a point of reference?"

OMg - that just gave me the chills. LE and the prosecutors must be ready to bust wide open. I bet they can't wait to get their shot at the lot of them. Starting with Casey. How much ya wanna bet the trial won't get started until at least September?

[Regina.Lampert]

Conway now claims he owns the tape.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18460620/detail.html

Oh how the story has morphed. Remember when news of Dominic Casey searching and Hoover taping first broke? Hoover was described as a "volunteer" who did crowd managment and securtity for the anthonys. Now this, from the article:

The grandparents of Caylee Anthony said a private investigator they hired to search for the then-missing girl is attempting to sell a video he said he taped in November of the wooded area where the girl's remains were found a month later.

Things sure change when the anthonys have $$$$'s in their eyes, imo.

[Barbara fl.]

Lee seems "close" to Casey, how is that? How do you explain all the months of phone records and there is no contact between Lee and Casey? Just because he is her brother I guess some just automatically assume they are so close, even though she stole from him.

Can you even imagine what it was like growing up with her? Basically has the Anthonys had another daughter Casey more than likely would have killed her in jealousy.

jmo


You are certainly right about the sister part...Casey wanted all the attention....But I do see Lee and Casey being sort of close....I don't know if this case did that or not...

[SBT123]

Great post. Well said. I agree 100%. Now, if you'll excuse me, I'm going to exit-stage-left before I get pummeled with rotten eggs.

Mairi,

I thank you for reading and understanding as well as seeing the suit is baseless . I wish you and others did not have to
fear sharing your thoughts because you and others know some will attack. I get irate when I see someone wanting to share a thought they may weigh in favor of the hated and first they apologize all over the place for it .


We are here to discuss and every ones thoughts contribute ,even if they go against others thoughts , we simply point out the details that support our feelings ,which I have done and they coincide witht he LAW as per defamation .


Thanks again.

[Barbara fl.]

I never thought so Barb but the more we learn, the more I start to wonder..


I know one thing for sure...they could never make a movie about this story....A series maybe, but not a movie....It's just too complexed and too entailed.....the director would be going crazy....


Maybe a big book (about 5000 pages)......

[AJandTam]

I know one thing for sure...they could never make a movie about this story....A series maybe, but not a movie....It's just too complexed and too entailed.....the director would be going crazy....


Maybe a big book (about 5000 pages)......

No doubt... I am sitting here going, what next..Geo and the KFN guy were old pals too?? So many 6 degrees of separate issues.... I'm all twisted and starting to wonder what is the stinking truth. The whole story stinks...

[destiny1]

the As and their PIs kne where the body was.

First of all
Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."


The man was on the phone with one of them IMO.

Secondly
The grandparents of Caylee Anthony said a private investigator they hired to search for the then-missing girl is attempting to sell a video he said he taped in November of the wooded area where the girl's remains were found a month later

Zenaida Gonzales took Caylee, but yet she is close to Hope.

I havent said anything Mom.

Just like you.

This is the sickest riddle I have ever encountered.

[NYGalPal]

We are starting to see pure evil unravel. Maybe things are not what they seem Barbara.. Somethings just not right w/this whole story. What would motivate Lee to send his own behind to prison for the rest of his life for a mentally ill sister?? What is truly motivating the parents. Who seem to be milking this baby for every penny they can get out of her.... I don't know what is going on, but I think we must have a huge portion of this story wrong. Seriously, the parents are starting to look more evil than there daughter.

Said it better than I. :thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

I know one thing for sure...they could never make a movie about this story....A series maybe, but not a movie....It's just too complexed and too entailed.....the director would be going crazy....


Maybe a big book (about 5000 pages)......

They would have to include a flowchart to keep everything in perspective. JMO

[martha]

Good morning everyone, It seems like they or going to try to put this trial of as long as they can. I hate that at my age I might not be around to hear it. My prayer is that if I am not I will be in heaven playing with all the children that people have hurt and have died at the hands 0f evil people like casey. I know God will take care of who ever hurt little caylee. She has touched so many people's heart all over the world. God bless you all today. Have a good day and I will check back to see if there is any news today.jmho

[JHP]

I know one thing for sure...they could never make a movie about this story....A series maybe, but not a movie....It's just too complexed and too entailed.....the director would be going crazy....


Maybe a big book (about 5000 pages)......

Maybe it will be T.V's first Maxi series. Truly it's a couple of seasons at this point.

IMO

[tarabull1]

morning all. ok I was snooping all over the internet this weekend and this is what I found. Very strange and has me confused as to the significance if any.

short video excerpt of casey and lee. sound like casey said "she is close to hope"
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

the body was found between 2 homes, one with a name of zenida, the other the name of gonzales:
http://www.whitepages.com/search/ReverseAddress?street=hopespring+&city_zip=orlando+&state_id=FL&localtime=survey

aerial view view where the body was found {pink dot}, the homes with addreses and names.
http://i39.tinypic.com/f10egm.jpg


HEY great collection here - just want to say that Casey could also be saying "close to home" which is what I've thought she said the first 3 times I listened but now that YOU pointed out the word HOPE - as in "she's close to HOPE" - it does sound more like HOPE as in HOPESPRINGS right?

And as for the names of the two home owners on either side of where the body was found - this girl missed her calling - she could have been writing mystery novels.

FREAKING TWISTED!
SOOOOOOO twisted!

[destiny1]

HEY great collection here - just want to say that Casey could also be saying "close to home" which is what I've thought she said the first 3 times I listened but now that YOU pointed out the word HOPE - as in "she's close to HOPE" - it does sound more like HOPE as in HOPESPRINGS right?

And as for the names of the two home owners on either side of where the body was found - this girl missed her calling - she could have been writing mystery novels.

FREAKING TWISTED!
SOOOOOOO twisted!

Casey does have some talent in a Hannibal Lechter kind of way!

[Mairi II]

Mairi,

I thank you for reading and understanding as well as seeing the suit is baseless . I wish you and others did not have to
fear sharing your thoughts because you and others know some will attack. I get irate when I see someone wanting to share a thought they may weigh in favor of the hated and first they apologize all over the place for it .


We are here to discuss and every ones thoughts contribute ,even if they go against others thoughts , we simply point out the details that support our feelings ,which I have done and they coincide witht he LAW as per defamation .


Thanks again.

Another good post. Thanks for your, well, ummmm.... thanks. :smile:

[Pooh]

Good morning everyone, It seems like they or going to try to put this trial of as long as they can. I hate that at my age I might not be around to hear it. My prayer is that if I am not I will be in heaven playing with all the children that people have hurt and have died at the hands 0f evil people like casey. I know God will take care of who ever hurt little caylee. She has touched so many people's heart all over the world. God bless you all today. Have a good day and I will check back to see if there is any news today.jmho

Good morning Martha! I too think the trial will be delayed for most of this year. God bless you for your loving thoughts of abused children who are no longer with us. :rose:

[Pat]

IMVHO, the Anthonys have known for quite some time that Caylee was dead and Casey was responsible. I also believe they suspected this was the case immediately.

By the time this case goes to trial, I believe much more will have been revealed about the Anthony's involvement in the cover-up. Certainly Cindy's immediate family members have been suspicious about Casey and the "abduction" almost from the start, to the point her brother was trying to convince her to face reality. Covering up for Casey has been a way of life for Cindy...why would anyone expect her behavior to change?

My kids are good kids, with no history of the kind of behavior Casey has exhibited (lying, stealing, ect.). However, if one of them had in someway harmed one of my grandchildren, however unintentional the motivation, I would never have allowed them to cover it up, nor would I have helped. That kind of behavior never turns out well for anyone.

I can see no defense here that will give Casey a chance in he!! of coming out of this with anything other than a guilty verdict.

My opinion, and everyone has one. :laugh:

And by the way...thanks to all for the great links and informative posts.

[TxLady2]

I'm not defending CASEY , she killed her little girl .I am in disgust over a baseless lawsuit that DOES waste the taxpayers time and ultimately my money .



Welll I'll go back the other 3 pages and look and see the links you say are there that provide the details of Cindy's pending arrest.


Thanks Gal Pal for asking how I am doing.[/QUOTE]

Good post! And I agree with you 100%. This lawsuit has no merit, and will be thrown out of court. The woman is just trying to cash in on the Caylee gravy train.
I don't see how this tape indicates that the A's knew all along where Caylee's body was. DC did not find the remains, did he? So with all the poking around, does the tape show that he found the bag with the bones in it? No? Then how does it implicate the A's knew where she was? IF one of the A's was on the phone with him while he was searching, and they knew, then how come he didn't find the body?
I don't know who the tape belongs to... if Hoover taped it, then it must belong to him. Where BC gets the idea that he or the Anthonys own it sounds a little strange. Are the A's admitting that they asked DC to go and look for Caylee's remains? Possible. But that still does not incriminate them because he didn't find anything. If he had, then I have no doubt Hoover would have filmed that and he would be rich by now. Every t.v. station in the country would have paid $$$ for that tape.
From everything I've read describing the tape, (I can't view it on my computer and I missed Geraldo last night) it sounds like he is looking in other places besides the spot where the remains were found. LP said on NG that he had seen the tape and it is NOT where Kronk found the remains. SO..... if this case becomes any more confusing, I'm going to have to stop reading and watching coverage of it. I'm getting a headache.

[AJandTam]

We thought so all along Tam....or at least suspected

Mornin, by the way

Good Morning MacDaddy.. Maybe we can't put the pieces together in this puzzle because we are WRONG. Casey is not the only evil presense who is guilty.

[SavannahStar]

.... I'd be interested in hearing your take on the video and its possible implications for G&C. Does it alter your feelings about them at all? Just curious. Thanks!

I'm reading through here very quickly off and on.....some days at work are busier for me than others, today is one of them. :cursing:

To answer your question: no, not at all. Simply because this is ALL TOO CONFUSING to me right now. I think I want to see much more evidence of who did what and when. I'm not jumping to conclusions.

Didn't LP say on two occasions he felt the Anthonys did NOT know about where Caylee's remains were? (Not that I put too much stock in what he says.....just sayin......)

It would be very, very difficult for me to believe George and/or Cindy knew for FACT Caylee was dead (and I do not mean just smelling the smell or having suspicions) and where she was "dumped."

But......if facts come out that prove that is true, I'll admit I was wrong. I don't think I could ever hate them, though, for even that, or agree that they are "evil". The only thing that would totally turn me against them would be if they took part in Caylee's murder. And I don't think anyone believes that.

My wrath is reserved for Casey and Casey alone.

BBL. Thanks for asking. Hope everyone has a great day. What a case, eh?????? :blink:

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks to Des for this link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html#-

From the link:

Hoover said he has been cooperating with investigators since December 18 when he first realized that his videotapes had evidentiary value.

So, Hoover took the tape and went directly to LE. Is he really the one attempting to make money off of it? I don't think so. I think it's the people who knew of this tape and failed to notify LE, the anthonys.

I am so glad that Hoover contacted the OCSD and the FBI and retained an attorney. Sounds like he did the right thing to me.
Remember, Detective Allen upon receiving the tape said it was very benefical to the investigation.

[msgatorslayer]

Morning, everyone.

Somesing not making sense. Would Casey research people in the body dump location in order to riddle her family with information, yet, fail to check and see if the apartment she was going to claim her Daughter was snatched from was even occupied?

The twists and turns in this case!!!

[MGM111]

The A's were involved in something REALLY shady for Nejames to have quit.
He then immediatly took on Tim Miller. I think that was something to offset an Anthony plan MN wanted no part of.

JMO

Good Morning,

Do you happen to recall Nejames publicly stated reason for quitting?

[tarabull1]

Casey does have some talent in a Hannibal Lechter kind of way!

THAT's exactly what I'm talking about...glad you are picking up what I'm laying down.

[shelbar53]

Good Morning,

Do you happen to recall Nejames publicly stated reason for quitting?

http://www.wesh.com/news/18025590/detail.html

[marshmallow]

snipped
short video excerpt of casey and lee. sound like casey said "she is close to hope"




I wonder if by "ok" they mean ok because no one's found her yet..

[desmom]

Good Morning,

Do you happen to recall Nejames publicly stated reason for quitting?

Statement From Mark NeJame Resigning As Anthonys' Attorney
http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html#-

Raw Interview: Attorney Mark NeJame Explains Resignation Decision
http://www.wftv.com/video/18027694/index.html

[Mairi II]

I'm reading through here very quickly off and on.....some days at work are busier for me than others, today is one of them. :cursing:

To answer your question: no, not at all. Simply because this is ALL TOO CONFUSING to me right now. I think I want to see much more evidence of who did what and when. I'm not jumping to conclusions.

Didn't LP say on two occasions he felt the Anthonys did NOT know about where Caylee's remains were? (Not that I put too much stock in what he says.....just sayin......)

It would be very, very difficult for me to believe George and/or Cindy knew for FACT Caylee was dead (and I do not mean just smelling the smell or having suspicions) and where she was "dumped."

But......if facts come out that prove that is true, I'll admit I was wrong. I don't think I could ever hate them, though, for even that, or agree that they are "evil". The only thing that would totally turn me against them would be if they took part in Caylee's murder. And I don't think anyone believes that.

My wrath is reserved for Casey and Casey alone.

BBL. Thanks for asking. Hope everyone has a great day. What a case, eh?????? :blink:

The big thing for me was that it appears to me C&G knew Caylee was dead - that they were searching for a deceased Caylee, not a live Caylee. Well, not even actually "searching" for a deceased Caylee but memorializing a "search" that could later be used to say, See? There was no bag when we were here... so someone other than Casey must've done it because she's been in jail! Which is totally opposed to what they were leading the public to think.

The PI worked for them, he was on their dime - so I would assume they knew what he was doing each time he was billing them for his fees. I don't think he'd take it upon himself to be out there looking for (or appearing as though he's looking) a body if he knew it was in direct conflict with the A's directives.

BTW, thanks for the response. :)

[TxLady2]

IMVHO, the Anthonys have known for quite some time that Caylee was dead and Casey was responsible. I also believe they suspected this was the case immediately.

By the time this case goes to trial, I believe much more will have been revealed about the Anthony's involvement in the cover-up. Certainly Cindy's immediate family members have been suspicious about Casey and the "abduction" almost from the start, to the point her brother was trying to convince her to face reality. Covering up for Casey has been a way of life for Cindy...why would anyone expect her behavior to change?

My kids are good kids, with no history of the kind of behavior Casey has exhibited (lying, stealing, ect.). However, if one of them had in someway harmed one of my grandchildren, however unintentional the motivation, I would never have allowed them to cover it up, nor would I have helped. That kind of behavior never turns out well for anyone.

I can see no defense here that will give Casey a chance in he!! of coming out of this with anything other than a guilty verdict.

My opinion, and everyone has one. :laugh:

And by the way...thanks to all for the great links and informative posts.

There is a difference in knowing, i.e., being in dread of, suspecting, or fearing.... and knowing something. Maybe they feared that Caylee was dead, and dreaded the truth, but still did not know.
It's very easy to say what we would do when it comes to our kids, but when you are faced with it, your actions might surprise you. All kinds of factors weigh in when a crisis like that comes up.
I believe that I would never cover up for one of my kids who committed a crime. But... if I thought that kid did not commit that crime, then I would be supporting them and believing what they told me. It is my belief that Cindy just had such hopes that Caylee was alive and that Casey's story of kidnapping was true, that she could not face the reality, even when faced with the evidence. Denial is the first step in the grieving process.
If this were your granddaughter and you loved her more than life itself, and if presented with two very different scenarios... one in which she was kidnapped by a nanny and is possibly alive, and the other in which your own child killed her deliberately... which one would you WANT to believe? Would you so readily accept the one where your daughter is a cold-blooded killer? Of course not!! You would hang on to every shred of hope that your granddaughter would be found alive. Sadly, that did not happen.
Cindy and George will have to have time to accept this tragic fact. Right now, they are probably still in a state of shock, disbelief, anger, frustration and denial. It will hit them soon enough. But it is far more difficult to turn against your own child than some people realize.

[trt]

Thanks to Des for this link:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html#-

From the link:

Hoover said he has been cooperating with investigators since December 18 when he first realized that his videotapes had evidentiary value.

So, Hoover took the tape and went directly to LE. Is he really the one attempting to make money off of it? I don't think so. I think it's the people who knew of this tape and failed to notify LE, the anthonys.

I am so glad that Hoover contacted the OCSD and the FBI and retained an attorney. Sounds like he did the right thing to me.
Remember, Detective Allen upon receiving the tape said it was very benefical to the investigation.

Good morning Reg eight more days!!

Thanks for pointing this out. Hoover knew the type of people he was dealing with. Good for him. The mere fact that their lawyer put out a statement about *profits* from this tape shows where their mind is (and constantly has been for a while).

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Good Morning,

Do you happen to recall Nejames publicly stated reason for quitting?

IIRC, he specifically stated he had two requirements when he signed on with the anthonys.

1. That he not be limited in searching for Caylee

and

2. That he would not aid in defending casey anthony.

I believe he was asked to go back on both of those things and he refused to do it and quit.

[SBT123]

HEY great collection here - just want to say that Casey could also be saying "close to home" which is what I've thought she said the first 3 times I listened but now that YOU pointed out the word HOPE - as in "she's close to HOPE" - it does sound more like HOPE as in HOPESPRINGS right?

And as for the names of the two home owners on either side of where the body was found - this girl missed her calling - she could have been writing mystery novels.

FREAKING TWISTED!
SOOOOOOO twisted!

I can't listen darn, it is saying I have plug ins blocked.

The neighbors names being Zenaida and anothers last name being Gonzalez .I just have to say .....anyone over in the EAST ORANGE COUNTY section of town know that the majority who live over there are Hispanic , its what EAST orange county is known for . It does not surprise me that the neighbors all have Hispanic names. The fact that ZG - is the babysitter Casey said she used and the body was found between those 2 houses , or was it ? The body was not found by any house it was at the end of a wooded area just before the school on Suburban , so this leads me to believe that if a neighbor name search were checked you'd see lots of Hispanic names and it just so happens one ladys name was Zenaida and anothers last name was Gonzalez, which is just so common in that AREA .


Now Casey may have used those landmarks though in telling someone where the body may be found , but I just don't think so , because there are too many Hispanics in that neighbor hood ,I feel its coincidental.


Just like - how was it that CASEY if she killed Caylee on 6-16-08 was at SAWGRASS on 6-17-08 , she could not have known ZG was going to visit on that day and fill out a guest card . The only logical answer is Caylee was killed on the 17th , but that does not fit either because the body had to be in truck at least 2.6 days as forensics states to have that degree of decomp . Casey also borrowed the shovel on the 18th , so that does make it 2.6 days ,so she most likely killed her on the 16th and all else fits with that DATE !


So this also tells me that ZG filling out a guest card on the 17th has nothing to do with CASEY getting the name to use as a babysitter at SAWGRASS , especially when the Grundes have already stated that CASEY told them in 2006 there was a babysitter named Zenaida .


When you take those facts and dissect them , it all still makes no sense.


Big question , why was CASEY at SAWGRASS , she was no longer friends with ANNIE and DANTE .....?

[marshmallow]

If the person worked for the anthonys, but made that tape independently for some reason, then the tape would be his (Hoovers).
I would love to know if he was on the phone with one of the Anthonys.




by their atty's own admission, the Anthonys were aware of the tape, they own it. Doesn't that blow what's left of their credibility out of the water? At the time they were still pubicly chastising the world for not hunting for a live Caylee they were privately looking for what they knew was a dead Caylee.

[trt]

Morning, everyone.

Somesing not making sense. Would Casey research people in the body dump location in order to riddle her family with information, yet, fail to check and see if the apartment she was going to claim her Daughter was snatched from was even occupied?

The twists and turns in this case!!!


Wasn't it stated early on that many *contacts* in Casey's phone book where *fakes*, in that they were names and numbers of neighbors rather than the people assigned to them in the address book?

JMO

[Dunlurken]

VIDEO REPORT: Dominic Casey At Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/video/18460947/index.html

Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

"He has to be referring to the body," said Sheaffer. "So the significance is, who is on the other end of that cell phone that's told him that these three stones are a point of reference?"
OMG! I just got chills reading your post.

Someone knew where that body was!

Sorry, good morning all.

[jill collins]

Excellent point Ell. I had forgotten how Dominic Casey disavowed Hoover when news of the tape first broke and now that ownership is in question, all of a sudden Hoover was working with DC and for the anthonys.

Something is so wrong here, imo.

I think Jose Baez had the tape made to show once the body was discovered. Leaking the tape to Geraldo is a no-brainer and Geraldo's stupid "King's Ransom" should be ignored <Geraldo hype and nothing more>. Who benefits from this tape? Muddy waters...

I watched the tape three times and something bothered me... He was acting... he was "overacting". He knew. DISGUSTING!!

[SavannahStar]

The big thing for me was that it appears to me C&G knew Caylee was dead - that they were searching for a deceased Caylee, not a live Caylee. Well, not even actually "searching" for a deceased Caylee but memorializing a "search" that could later be used to say, See? There was no bag when we were here... so someone other than Casey must've done it because she's been in jail! Which is totally opposed to what they were leading the public to think.

The PI worked for them, he was on their dime - so I would assume they knew what he was doing each time he was billing them for his fees. I don't think he'd take it upon himself to be out there looking for (or appearing as though he's looking) a body if he knew it was in direct conflict with the A's directives.

BTW, thanks for the response. :)

You're welcome. Well, I am not making assumptions though. I can understand how others are, and why. That's okay.

As to "they knew" she was dead......again, I disagree with most on here. To me there is a difference in knowing she was dead in FACT, and using common sense to have huge suspicions.

[marshmallow]

Something big happened, I think. Remember how Nejame acted when he quit? He was pretty animated and he normally isn't. He seemed pretty fired up about not wanting anything to do with Casey's defense. It's too coincidental to me that he quit right after that tape was made.



it could be as simple as he was being forced to speak pubicly about the Anthonys only wanting to search for a live Caylee, yet he found out they were instead actively looking for a dead CAylee and it went against his priniciples.

[daHawg]

Now in hindsight of what we know was going on on the 15th and 16th of November with D.Casey, Nejames quits on the 20th, G&C did that interview on the 21st where Cindy looked so drugged out of it and George did all the talking and the 21st is the day that D.Casey released the picture of the little girl from the Florida mall sighting. How sick and shady is this man? Wait don't answer that I already know. :cursing:

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,456206,00.html

[MGM111]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18025590/detail.html

Thank you Thank you... im off to :read:

[Dunlurken]

Good morning Reg eight more days!!

Thanks for pointing this out. Hoover knew the type of people he was dealing with. Good for him. The mere fact that their lawyer put out a statement about *profits* from this tape shows where their mind is (and constantly has been for a while).

JMO

I am going to ask a really dumb question. Didn't Lenny say the tapes had been turned over to the FBI and LE? And as soon as Lenny learned of the tapes he called someone, forgot the name, but a member of LE.

And Kronk is a former bounty hunter? I'm just blown away. JMO.

[daHawg]

by their atty's own admission, the Anthonys were aware of the tape, they own it. Doesn't that blow what's left of their credibility out of the water? At the time they were still pubicly chastising the world for not hunting for a live Caylee they were privately looking for what they knew was a dead Caylee.

I really think this is the TRUE reason behind Conway seeking immunity for the A's. Despite what he is saying publicly. :glare:

[shelbar53]

Wasn't it stated early on that many *contacts* in Casey's phone book where *fakes*, in that they were names and numbers of neighbors rather than the people assigned to them in the address book?

JMO

she had fake emails. also the collection dept from AT&T was listed as "universal" in her phone. I guess they called her alot so when they called...it would show up as universal was calling.

[nana6]

the As and their PIs kne where the body was.

First of all
Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."


The man was on the phone with one of them IMO.

Secondly
The grandparents of Caylee Anthony said a private investigator they hired to search for the then-missing girl is attempting to sell a video he said he taped in November of the wooded area where the girl's remains were found a month later

Zenaida Gonzales took Caylee, but yet she is close to Hope.

I havent said anything Mom.

Just like you.

This is the sickest riddle I have ever encountered.
ITA with you. That business of" I haven't said anything MOM" has really had me questioning things and that was said way up front in this case. SO< we wonder what the he.. did that mean? I believe there is a very big family secret or secrets that I hope LE has found out about. If not, I fear we will never know the whole truth. This reads like a very twisted novel.

[destiny1]

by their atty's own admission, the Anthonys were aware of the tape, they own it. Doesn't that blow what's left of their credibility out of the water? At the time they were still pubicly chastising the world for not hunting for a live Caylee they were privately looking for what they knew was a dead Caylee.

Deceitfullness at its worst!

or best, for LE and the prosecutors.

cover blown.

[Dunlurken]

it could be as simple as he was being forced to speak pubicly about the Anthonys only wanting to search for a live Caylee, yet he found out they were instead actively looking for a dead CAylee and it went against his priniciples.

I think we all surmised that at the time... that he didn't agree with the Anthony's. JMO. I kept thinking they were in denial, but something is terribly wrong here.

[Mairi II]

Oh, of course they knew she was dead, they smelled her, they knew she was missing, but why is them holding out hope for final proof just so horrible for some people, is it such a shock that they had such denial about this horrible, surreal life situation? This is their life, not ours. This was their baby, not ours, we can detach a lot quicker, they never will be able to. You have not heard one peep from these people since the identification of Caylee. Could any of you just accept your child is a baby killer or would you demand to see some proof, like DNA, not just a smell. I am presonally glad George and Cindy kept out hope for that little girl and didn't give up hope no matter what anyone was saying about them, or protesting in their yard and whatnot.

If the Anthonys had anything to do with this murder, I would be done with them, and the LE would have them locked up, and according to some sources, the same where they say duct tape was around the body, there are going to NO charges brought on anyone but the child killer.

I guess that I don't see them holding out hope for her being alive when their PI, who they are paying, is poking around in the same general vicinity of where Caylee's remains were found. It's too coincidental to me. And I won't believe their PI was taking orders from someone else to search there. There was a reason he was there of all places. He was not searching for a live Caylee, that's for sure.

[shelbar53]

I am going to ask a really dumb question. Didn't Lenny say the tapes had been turned over to the FBI and LE? And as soon as Lenny learned of the tapes he called someone, forgot the name, but a member of LE.

And Kronk is a former bounty hunter? I'm just blown away. JMO.

lenny called nick savage...FBI guy. here is a pic of nick, he is in the white shirt

http://i44.tinypic.com/2f04utg.jpg

[cassidy]

About this tape.
I just am never going to understand why some want to make Casey Anthony a little less accountable for this murder.


I don't think anyone is trying to make Casey less accountable for the murder of her daughter. BUT...if ANYONE aided and abetted her AFTER THE FACT, they also should be held accountable for thier actions. 2 entirely separate issues. IMO

[Dunlurken]

I guess that I don't see them holding out hope for her being alive when their PI, who they are paying, is poking around in the same general vicinity of where Caylee's remains were found. It's too coincidental to me. And I won't believe their PI was taking orders from someone else to search there. There was a reason he was there of all places. He was not searching for a live Caylee, that's for sure.

I would like to know what Lee knows. He became a "lawyer" real fast. Don't take a poly, don't give up your DNA, etc. JMO.

[Mairi II]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations.
Fox news channel's Geraldo, obtained the video, but did not pay for it.
Fox was given permission by the Anthony family to air the video free of charge


Oh yes, that sounds like the actions of people with something to hide.:rolleyes:

The gig was up. They knew it. They wanted to release it to thwart Hoover's attempts to make money off it.

[Mairi II]

I would like to know what Lee knows. He became a "lawyer" real fast. Don't take a poly, don't give up your DNA, etc. JMO.

I know!! I'll think we'll be surprised at how much he knows.

[destiny1]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations.
Fox news channel's Geraldo, obtained the video, but did not pay for it.
Fox was given permission by the Anthony family to air the video free of charge


Oh yes, that sounds like the actions of people with something to hide.:rolleyes:


But yet Geraldo said that they couldnt air that tape because the PI wanted "a Kings Ransom"?

Now if the tape belonged to the Anthonys, he could have aired since they would have it aired free of charge.

Too many lies. Too many liars. Too many coincidences.

[Lavenia]

There is a difference in knowing, i.e., being in dread of, suspecting, or fearing.... and knowing something. Maybe they feared that Caylee was dead, and dreaded the truth, but still did not know.
It's very easy to say what we would do when it comes to our kids, but when you are faced with it, your actions might surprise you. All kinds of factors weigh in when a crisis like that comes up.
I believe that I would never cover up for one of my kids who committed a crime. But... if I thought that kid did not commit that crime, then I would be supporting them and believing what they told me. It is my belief that Cindy just had such hopes that Caylee was alive and that Casey's story of kidnapping was true, that she could not face the reality, even when faced with the evidence. Denial is the first step in the grieving process.
If this were your granddaughter and you loved her more than life itself, and if presented with two very different scenarios... one in which she was kidnapped by a nanny and is possibly alive, and the other in which your own child killed her deliberately... which one would you WANT to believe? Would you so readily accept the one where your daughter is a cold-blooded killer? Of course not!! You would hang on to every shred of hope that your granddaughter would be found alive. Sadly, that did not happen.
Cindy and George will have to have time to accept this tragic fact. Right now, they are probably still in a state of shock, disbelief, anger, frustration and denial. It will hit them soon enough. But it is far more difficult to turn against your own child than some people realize.


I hear what you're saying TxLady! This is why I keep jumping the fence with the A's so much. I feel this way and then I hear all the other things that make me feel another (the hairbrush was a doozy for me!)... I'm truly torn.

[Pat]

...snip...

It's very easy to say what we would do when it comes to our kids, but when you are faced with it, your actions might surprise you. All kinds of factors weigh in when a crisis like that comes up.

...difficult to turn against your own child than some people realize.

As I said, the post was my opinion and everyone has one.

But I can categorically state that I would never help one of my children cover up an alleged crime, including the death of one of my grandchildren. Be it accidental or deliberate. And I wouldn't consider my actions as "turning against" my child.

What I would do is hire the best criminal defense attorney money could buy.

My kids were brought up with my values...the belief that actions have consequences, and that when you mess up or break the law, you face the music and pay the price. They would ask for help...for money for a lawyer, emotional support, which I would give...but would never expect or ask me to participate in a cover-up, which in the Anthony's case, included trying to blame others for a crime for which Casey is responsible.

Thanks for your response. It is always good to hear another point of view.

[Dunlurken]

lenny called nick savage...FBI guy. here is a pic of nick, he is in the white shirt

http://i44.tinypic.com/2f04utg.jpg

Thanks. I had forgotten the name. Man, my head is spinning.

Here's what I'm thinking.... The Anthony's knew people were on to them because "someone" was trying to sell the video and I assume it would pay for Casey's defense. Geraldo said, they refused to buy it and the Anthony's knew it was going to get out there anyway, so gave Hoover permission to let it go for free.

We had a discussion yesterday, I think, where some were asking half a million to give up the tape aka Hoover. Why, if FBI and LE had it. None of this is making sense. JMO.

[shelbar53]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8232844&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Conway says, a man who worked for Dominick Casey, James Hoover, took that video without their permission and tried selling it to TV stations.
Fox news channel's Geraldo, obtained the video, but did not pay for it.
Fox was given permission by the Anthony family to air the video free of charge


Oh yes, that sounds like the actions of people with something to hide.:rolleyes:

I agree with you, they have something to hide

[Dunlurken]

But yet Geraldo said that they couldnt air that tape because the PI wanted "a Kings Ransom"?

Now if the tape belonged to the Anthonys, he could have aired since they would have it aired free of charge.

Too many lies. Too many liars. Too many coincidences.
So who did the tape belong to? The Anthony's or Hoover. Frankly, the whole discussion is moot in a strange sort of way, because the tape showed nothing. I guess the implication is who knew what when.

Sorry, I'm thinking outloud as I type. JMO.

[Mairi II]

Hoe did anyone aid her when plant life was growing up from the skeleton and it had been there for 6months? You really think Casey has it in her to come clean with anyone?

They were aiding her by maintaining C's story of Z-F-G and not sharing with LE the fact they knew Caylee was dead and where she was. They were also accepting donations to search for a LIVE Caylee when they knew she was dead. I would think that would be fraud.

The above is JMO, of course.

[msgatorslayer]

Wasn't it stated early on that many *contacts* in Casey's phone book where *fakes*, in that they were names and numbers of neighbors rather than the people assigned to them in the address book?

JMO

Yes, I remember that.

The whole thing is just weird. There is a ZFG in Orlando. She filled out a guest card at Sawgrass. Then the F n G peeps who live where the remains were found.

Granted, F n G are popular lastnames, but? How many hinky quirks can one name have in a case?

I also remember early on it was mentioned that there was a F OR G, can't recall which, that lived around there. But they didn't hang with Casey. This must be the same one.

I don't see Casey being slick enough to come up with some outrageous puzzle of sorts. All I can say is that things continue to make one go HMMM, in this case.

[Tia]

I agree with you, they have something to hide


Everytime I tried to take a break from this case, something crazy happens and I am right back here!

Never have I seen such a bizarre, twisted case, with one shocking moment after another.

[commonguymd]

OMG! I just got chills reading your post.

Someone knew where that body was!

Sorry, good morning all.

I am thinking we will learn that Kronk called the Anthony tipline and Dominic Casey was on the phone with him. Kronk said he went back there in November but didn't look, reading meters I presume. He was probably frustrated at LE from August and decided to make another call. When Dominick Casey didn't find the body, he went back in December and found it himself.

[marshmallow]

I don't think anyone is trying to make Casey less accountable for the murder of her daughter. BUT...if ANYONE aided and abetted her AFTER THE FACT, they also should be held accountable for thier actions. 2 entirely separate issues. IMO

(not directing this at Cassidy)

I've seen it spoken of here that the lawsuit against Casey by ZG was frivilious (my words) and a waste of taxpayers monies.

If the Anthonys, their PIs, and everyone's pal Baez knew Caylee was dead, yet kept sending the LE and the FBI on wild goose chases for a live Caylee, then that was a huge waste of taxpayer's $$ too wasn't it?

I still agree that the Anthonys are family of a victim, Caylee, but at what point do they stop being coddled and start being held accountable?

[nana6]

If the Anthonys want a kings ransom for a tape can you imagine how much they want for rights to the memorial service?

I imagine they are waiting to get the highest paying news show to film the funeral.. They probably want to compare what shows will be the top paying shows for their precious little Caylee's funeral. I am just sick, really, over this. How can anyone do such a thing? There is no reason now for that baby to lay there and not be buried. I wish we had an answer to this because to me this should be the FIRST line of business for them and it really looks like it is not even an issue. Shame on them or Jose IF he is the one who is holding the funeral up. Some say maybe Casey gave him all rights for burial of Caylee well, what is his response then as to why she is STILL laying there in that funeral home? Someone has the rights to her body or little bones and they have not respected that child once again. So very sad and shameful.

[Dunlurken]

I think he has some other dark secrets in his closet that he wants to keep to himself. My opinion. He fell out of sight for almost 3 months. George said he was away on business. We know he was around the country on the donations given in, supposedly following up tips. He is reprehensible as well. He knew. Casey told hin that "In my gut she is close to Hope"......talking in codes etc.

Did she write him letters? Thus, the pen and paper. I think they were going through Baez, the letters. I have never heard such talking in code as I did on the interview with Lee. Could she be up north from the second person of the three we talked about. WTH?

[kitty1182]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18460947/index.html

[nc1948]

They were aiding her by maintaining C's story of Z-F-G and not sharing with LE the fact they knew Caylee was dead and where she was. They were also accepting donations to search for a LIVE Caylee when they knew she was dead. I would think that would be fraud.

The above is JMO, of course.


It's my opinion too (If you will allow me to share)

[JHP]

I think he has some other dark secrets in his closet that he wants to keep to himself. My opinion. He fell out of sight for almost 3 months. George said he was away on business. We know he was around the country on the donations given in, supposedly following up tips. He is reprehensible as well. He knew. Casey told hin that "In my gut she is close to Hope"......talking in codes etc.

I wonder what kind of "business" I remember when he said he was conducting his own investigation, I was like whats up? Then like in his first jail vist he kept reminding her she's being taped.


sick sick sick IMO

[SavannahStar]

Oh, of course they knew she was dead, they smelled her, they knew she was missing, but why is them holding out hope for final proof just so horrible for some people, is it such a shock that they had such denial about this horrible, surreal life situation? This is their life, not ours. This was their baby, not ours, we can detach a lot quicker, they never will be able to. You have not heard one peep from these people since the identification of Caylee. Could any of you just accept your child is a baby killer or would you demand to see some proof, like DNA, not just a smell. I am presonally glad George and Cindy kept out hope for that little girl and didn't give up hope no matter what anyone was saying about them, or protesting in their yard and whatnot.

If the Anthonys had anything to do with this murder, I would be done with them, and the LE would have them locked up, and according to some sources, the same where they say duct tape was around the body, there are going to NO charges brought on anyone but the child killer.

Well said.....you speak for me.