Sunday Jan. 11 09 .. Caylee Anthony .. Part II

[~layla~]

Evening thread....

Candle Link...

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=Cayle

[Neffy]

Evening thread....

:seeya:

For the first time ever I caught Geraldo last night at 10pm.

Is that live at 7pm and then replayed at 10 TIA

[Barbara fl.]

:seeya:

For the first time ever I caught Geraldo last night at 10pm.

Is that live at 7pm and then replayed at 10 TIA



Yes............

[~layla~]

:seeya:

For the first time ever I caught Geraldo last night at 10pm.

Is that live at 7pm and then replayed at 10 TIA

Yeah I steer clear of that whole station. They always seem to be a lil behind or something.

:seeya:

[Adalena935]

I try to approach discussion similar to what a juror would do. I don't consider looking at the documents, interviews as bashing.

As a juror I would be thinking why would Cindy lie on her 911 call? What is she trying to conceal? Who is she protecting by lying about a matter so important? What were they doing for the month she lied about?

That would not bode well for the defendant, her dtr. to my mind.

I know Cindy is not the defendant but she will be a witness. I don't see how she can help the state with her admitted misstatement about the whereabouts of the defendant for the first 31 days the baby was supposedly missing.

I don't think it's unusual for familys to get scared and try to protect their family members either. But the truth must prevail as best as possible inside that courtroom. The victims of crime deserve justice. This baby certainly does.

[~layla~]

ok...found it....ANything on when Kronk will be having his news conference?

is there one rumored to be held?

[rj1212]

Yeah I steer clear of that whole station. They always seem to be a lil behind or something.

:seeya:

Geraldo is the problem...not the station. After all, he's been around jumping from station to station.

[Barbara fl.]

Geraldo is the problem...not the station. After all, he's been around jumping from station to station.



I agree, he is the problem.....

[~layla~]

according to WFTV.....its coming on this week

Oh. Well there you have it I suppose.
Im not sure there needs to be one, except for the fact everyone thinks he needs to explain himself (and maybe he does too) before he testifies under oath, in court.
I see no relevence.

[Neffy]

Yes............

TY!

Boy what a panel. Arthur A what a joke.

I see no reasonable doubt anywhere.

I can't wait to hear more on the PI angle and why they were conducted a search with a shovel and a video camera.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

[LiLMaggie]

Geraldo is the problem...not the station. After all, he's been around jumping from station to station.

I agree rj. He certainly owes Mr Kronk an apology.

MOO

[ConchGirl]

Oh. Well there you have it I suppose.
Im not sure there needs to be one, except for the fact everyone thinks he needs to explain himself (and maybe he does too) before he testifies under oath, in court.
I see no relevence.

My guess is that he will appear on a morning show like Today or GMA then they will follow up with a special on Dateline or 20/20. Kind of like the Anthony's did. moo

[~layla~]

Geraldo is the problem...not the station. After all, he's been around jumping from station to station.

For me the laundry list is much longer.
I dont like Greta after the Holloway fiasco.
Kimberly is a better lawyer/reporter than this... dog and pony show for the pretty people. (ie which is why they hired her and bill hemer and others)
The way some of them report this case as if there was some shred of evidence Casey needed some soft handling.
Geraldo is just the icing.

personal preference I suppose.

[Tracian]

I try to approach discussion similar to what a juror would do. I don't consider looking at the documents, interviews as bashing.

As a juror I would be thinking why would Cindy lie on her 911 call? What is she trying to conceal? Who is she protecting by lying about a matter so important? What were they doing for the month she lied about?

That would not bode well for the defendant, her dtr. to my mind.

I know Cindy is not the defendant but she will be a witness. I don't see how she can help the state with her admitted misstatement about the whereabouts of the defendant for the first 31 days the baby was supposedly missing.

I don't think it's unusual for familys to get scared and try to protect their family members either. But the truth must prevail as best as possible inside that courtroom. The victims of crime deserve justice. This baby certainly does.


ITA with your post. I would say though, that I think that the instinct to protect the complete innocent should normally trump the protection of an adult child...especially when that innocent, is your own grandchild.

[sunstar]

TY!

Boy what a panel. Arthur A what a joke.

I see no reasonable doubt anywhere.

I can't wait to hear more on the PI angle and why they were conducted a search with a shovel and a video camera.

I don't understand the PI searching with a shovel. What was he going to do if his probe detected remains ~ unearth them? :confused: One of the reasons Tim said he didn't want to search when the area was flooded was fear of disturbing remains so with that in mind I'm trying to figure out what the PI was doing.

[Barbara fl.]

Oh. Well there you have it I suppose.
Im not sure there needs to be one, except for the fact everyone thinks he needs to explain himself (and maybe he does too) before he testifies under oath, in court.
I see no relevence.



I agree, he should not have to explain himself......They are acting like he should not have found the body....when all anyone should be concerned about is that the body WAS found....thanks to Krunk....because if what they are saying about the tapes of the area being taken 1 month prior and that they knew where the body was...(and IF that's true) then it's my opinion that the body would have been concealed even longer....possibly till after the trial.....So thank goodness for Mr. Kronk....He saved the prosecution alot of work trying to prove that Caylee was no longer alive......JMO

[SBT123]

Originally Posted by nick View Post
I know your post is not directed towards me. But I'll like to answer anyway.
That they didn't find "the right" Zenaida kept the grandparents hopes up.
I kept my hope of finding a live Caylee just as long as they did. And all because they hadn't looked into more than one Zenaida, and this one didn't fit Casey's description at all.
Now the only ZG that got cleared, both by LE, Casey, her parents and everybody else, is filing a law-suit.

Off course there was no Zanny. But some of us was clinging to the hope that there was a real nice nanny out there.
Don't blame us for that. It was an honest, although desperate hope some of us had.


Great post Nick , it makes so much sense. Only one was singled out and that was because she was the one who filled out the guest card. The guest card was filled out a day after they believe Caylee was killed though , because last Caylee sighting was 6-16-08 , and the shovel borrowed 6-18-08 and the guest card filled out 6-17-08 ,so this would mean that Casey was psychic and was waiting at SAWGRASS on 6-17-08 for a baby sitter she drummed up back in 2006 named Zenaida , because Richard Grunde said Casey told him she had gotten a new babysotter when he informed her that they could no longer watch Caylee and that is the name Casey Gave Richard Grunde ,Jesse Grundes father , again back in 2006 .

So why was Casey at SAWGRASS on 6-17-08 ? Did she somehow kill her there and why was it there , did Caylee die there and if so why there , what is the signifigance of apt #210 , there has been talk by a radio show that feels there were some pornographic photos of Caylee abd when LE proposed to George Anthony that they had some graphic photos and warned him of this ,George lost his stomach and vomited ...........cpudl something have been going on in that vacant APT at SawGrass ?


So many pieces left to fill , there has to be a reason Casey was at that apt , the chances of a lady signing a guest card with the same name of a phantom baby sitter she made up 2 years prior doing so and signing a guest card at Sawgrass the day after Caylee died or possibly the day she died are so few ,,besides that the decomp in the car had to have been there for atleast 2.6 days and so it does not add up at all................to hear the story of what Baez says will make everyone saw AHHHH now I get it is killing me ..........if thats still the case ,I wonder if he stills holds to that statement now that Caylee has ben found dead?

[Barbara fl.]

TY!

Boy what a panel. Arthur A what a joke.

I see no reasonable doubt anywhere.

I can't wait to hear more on the PI angle and why they were conducted a search with a shovel and a video camera.


Maybe they were going to bury the remains...who knows.....The video camera was most likely going to be used to film the area and then say (like they did) that there was no body there....however it all backfired on them......Thanks to Mr. Kronk

[Destini]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

On the raw video, when he was searching by the house, did it look like blood to you on one of the concrete blocks? Wonder where the house is. It just says "nearby abandoned house."

[AJandTam]

Yeah I steer clear of that whole station. They always seem to be a lil behind or something.

:seeya:

Good Evening!
Is Geraldo going to be on tonight too...

[Adalena935]

Adalena

You are assuming that the Anthony's are a "normal" family.....don't you think they are just a tad dysfunctional?

My hypothetical questions as a juror What were they doing for the 31 days Cindy admittedly lied about is a valid one and pertinent to the case.

Yes I think they're dysfunctional. I've addressed that several times sicne this case broke. But as a juror I would still have the question; '..what were they doing for the 31 days..", "...what is the family trying to hide..." and such.

but as a juror I would still have the questions that Cindy's admitted misstatements beg. Those first 31 days are SO important. Then when it's finally reported, lies are told.

[~layla~]

I am very happy that the body was found.

I also think there was a lot more going on behind the scenes via Baez and the PIs and the A's ... but I dont think they were working together. (which i think is a blessing also) If they had tried to work together and not for the greater dollar sign, they may have found the body, and hidden it .... and who knows what that would have done to the case against her. But Im counting my blessings that that isnt something that will have to be over come now.

So I am under the umbrella of money being the root of all evil. Keep working that money angle and what comes to you behind that.

I also happen to be in the camp of the FBI involvement has been a good thing, and I expect many surprises or revelations to surface at trial.

[Adalena935]

Maybe they were going to bury the remains...who knows.....The video camera was most likely going to be used to film the area and then say (like they did) that there was no body there....however it all backfired on them......Thanks to Mr. Kronk

Hm, maybe that was their plans. Yes, thanks to Mr. Kronk.

[Neffy]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

As always TY Cury.

What a bizarre video. A few bags seen, PI slicing the sides but no peek inside by the camera and certainly not obvious to see what it was.

That in itself certainly gives a reasonable certainty that Kronk was reporting bags in the area but doesn't point to his previous tips as being THE bag.

Is something wrong with my speakers or is there no sound at all?

[ConchGirl]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

Just watched the video of the PI. He sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee imo

[Pruddennce]

I agree, he should not have to explain himself......They are acting like he should not have found the body....when all anyone should be concerned about is that the body WAS found....thanks to Krunk....because if what they are saying about the tapes of the area being taken 1 month prior and that they knew where the body was...(and IF that's true) then it's my opinion that the body would have been concealed even longer....possibly till after the trial.....So thank goodness for Mr. Kronk....He saved the prosecution alot of work trying to prove that Caylee was no longer alive......JMO

the grand jury convened and decided very quickly there was enough evidence to bring forth a murder one indictment.

finding the remains has solidified that indictment. Kronk, I havent decided yet, not enough information, just speculation...its bothersome to me that a 'concerned citizen' gives a press statement with a lawyer in tow.

that, in and of itself, is bothersome to me.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[~layla~]

Good Evening!
Is Geraldo going to be on tonight too...

hey!
IDK ... You know me, I cant watch that guy.

ps... SBT123.. the photos Geo hurled over were the 1200 that LE mentioned of his daughter CASEY. (not caylee)

[trich]

TY!

Boy what a panel. Arthur A what a joke.

I see no reasonable doubt anywhere.

I can't wait to hear more on the PI angle and why they were conducted a search with a shovel and a video camera.

I for one don't think what they might or might not have done has anything to do with the guilt or innocence of Casey.
The LE aparrantly have forensic evidence the body has been there since June 18th and they also appear to have all the evidence they need to prove Casey is responsible for Caylee's death.
What the pi s might have done I would think would be about them and if they were working for and received information from the Anthonys.
That could possibly make the le change their minds about obstruction charges if the PI s were trying to destroy evidence by the request of the Anthonys.

[sunstar]

Maybe they were going to bury the remains...who knows.....The video camera was most likely going to be used to film the area and then say (like they did) that there was no body there....however it all backfired on them......Thanks to Mr. Kronk

That's exactly what I think they were up to ~ filming the area to say "no body here" so Caylee must be alive. And maybe the shovel was to bury the remains if they did find her. I wouldn't put it past the defense to try something like that. MOO

[Destini]

As always TY Cury.

What a bizarre video. A few bags seen, PI slicing the sides but no peek inside by the camera and certainly not obvious to see what it was.

That in itself certainly gives a reasonable certainty that Kronk was reporting bags in the area but doesn't point to his previous tips as being THE bag.

Is something wrong with my speakers or is there no sound at all?

Hoover wouldn't let the news people record the sound. I find this interesting. Says to me that Casey definitely had some inside info, he was looking for something specific.

"Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

[rj1212]

RJ

Geraldo has been at fox since Nov 2001....before that 7 years at CNBC.

I can see you don't like the guy ....but that is hardly jumping from station to station....or am I missing something.

He was wrong on Kronk.....bad research I guess...but the guy maybe annoying, but as a news junkie...the guy has guts. After all embedding in Iraq with a MArine platoon, (when you are not drawing diagrams in the dirt) takes a lot of guts

I guess I'm thinking of Geraldo getting punched in the nose, and Geraldo with the...uh...Jimmy Hoffa special where they dug and dug and there was nothing??? (It's been awhile...sorry) and then CNBC to Fox...but I guess you're right, it HAS been that long.

I still can't stand the man...but he DOES have guts...I can't argue with that...

[Adalena935]

ITA with your post. I would say though, that I think that the instinct to protect the complete innocent should normally trump the protection of an adult child...especially when that innocent, is your own grandchild.

I think so too. From posts I've read a lot of others agree with us. Also lying to LE in attempt to help their dtr is totally skewed in my opinion.
Because it makes their dtr appear all the more guilty. Or I should say it would to me if I were a juror.

[SBT123]

hey!
IDK ... You know me, I cant watch that guy.

ps... SBT123.. the photos Geo hurled over were the 1200 that LE mentioned of his daughter CASEY. (not caylee)


I have not seen that .Has that been verfied recently ,last I knew no one has seen the photos , but if this is new news please tell me where it is ,I have missed it ? TY

[steffaroob4]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

Wild theory here, this is NOT the exact location of the discovery site.

[~layla~]

My hypothetical questions as a juror What were they doing for the 31 days Cindy admittedly lied about is a valid one and pertinent to the case.

Yes I think they're dysfunctional. I've addressed that several times sicne this case broke. But as a juror I would still have the question; '..what were they doing for the 31 days..", "...what is the family trying to hide..." and such.

but as a juror I would still have the questions that Cindy's admitted misstatements beg. Those first 31 days are SO important. Then when it's finally reported, lies are told.

I think (and some evidence has surfaced) that they spent the month arguing about Casey bringing Caylee home and Casey telling them whatever they wanted to hear and kept on keeping on as she did.

The myspace postings/baitings are very clear. Ive seen other parents do this.... its ridic. Who argues with a child no matter the age on MySpace fgs!?!? (if you dont think her posts about her angel being taken away et al arent baiting arguments then okay... but I do)
Cindy did one thing ... to beget one thing... Action = reaction.
Same with Casey... "everyone lies, everyone dies" post was clear.

[AJandTam]

hey!
IDK ... You know me, I cant watch that guy.

ps... SBT123.. the photos Geo hurled over were the 1200 that LE mentioned of his daughter CASEY. (not caylee)

LOL, Me either. Was just wondering.

[Tracian]

I think so too. From posts I've read a lot of others agree with us. Also lying to LE in attempt to help their dtr is totally skewed in my opinion.
Because it makes their dtr appear all the more guilty. Or I should say it would to me if I were a juror.


It would bother me also; I hope that if there is enough to charge them, they get charged, they should not get special treatment if they broke the law.

[Neffy]

I for one don't think what they might or might not have done has anything to do with the guilt or innocence of Casey.
The LE aparrantly have forensic evidence the body has been there since June 18th and they also appear to have all the evidence they need to prove Casey is responsible for Caylee's death.
What the pi s might have done I would think would be about them and if they were working for and received information from the Anthonys.
That could possibly make the le change their minds about obstruction charges if the PI s were trying to destroy evidence by the request of the Anthonys.

I totally agree with what you say. But that PI was given information and detailed information. He was unable to pinpoint it from someones' verbal word.

[n/t]

Thanks for the links CuC.

Are we to assume these were the "World Exclusive" videos Geraldo was talking about? :rolleyes:


The big questions:

1) Where was DC searching?

2) Who was he talking to?

3) Why was he searching?

4) What did he find?

[~layla~]

Just watched the video of the PI. He sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee imo

Not at all.
He was looking for a bag or a bundle of something.

[n/t]

Also.....IIRC, LE said they were very optimistic after viewing the videos. Why?

Anybody?

[?noanswer]

Wild theory here, this is NOT the exact location of the discovery site.

Other people have said it is not the site where the body was found. I wonder where the house is. If it is one of the two there on Hopespring Dr. that is close to the body site, then I think they had a tip on where to look. JMO

[Destini]

After watching this video......if Casey was hiding the body in someones backyard...it looks like....man oh man....he was destroying evidence with a very dull knife.

You're so right. This is crazy. Do you suppose he received info. she was buried behind an abandoned house (whether that particular one or not) and that she was moved?

Please someone watch that raw video & tell me that is not blood spatter on that concrete block and/or piece of wood. It is freaking me out.

I hope LE makes him tell them the location of this house & go check there for evidence.

[sunstar]

Hoover wouldn't let the news people record the sound. I find this interesting. Says to me that Casey definitely had some inside info, he was looking for something specific.

"Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

My question would be who put the grouping of stones there (certainly not Casey trying to hide Caylee's body! MOO) or were they (the PIs)even in the exact place Caylee was found? I had heard Leonard say they were several hundred feet away. :shrug:

[n/t]

Where's the water? It doesn't look flooded to me. Could be not the same area or ???????

[?noanswer]

Thanks for the links CuC.

Are we to assume these were the "World Exclusive" videos Geraldo was talking about? :rolleyes:


The big questions:

1) Where was DC searching?

2) Who was he talking to?

3) Why was he searching?

4) What did he find?

I think the article said it was excerpts taken from the "king's ransom" video that GR was referring to. JMO

[dixielover]

I guess I am a true skeptic probably because I have alot of lawyers friends who state " their are no coincidences in these type of cases". I do think the As have known for awhile where Caylee was. I find it odd that they stopped see KC around the time that the MR gave the first tip. I really think that MR was tipped off and was suppose to find the body in August. Why- I don't know. I know that they said the reason why they are not seeing KC is because of the recording but weren't they froze in Aug- I know we didn't get to see 8/14 visit. It is so strange that the MR got relocated around the time of the flood and came back when the water went away-what was he doing back in the lot in August? There are no houses back there to meter read. I think he was looking for something specific. Nejames quit the same time that the PI began filming that video. He knew something- it goes on and on. I could be entirely wrong and my gut is just messed up. I really don't think the MR did anything wrong but I do think he had more info going in that we don't know about and probably never will. jmo Oh and I also think that the As have gone through the stages of grief-denial-anger(remember them out in front of their house) and now acceptance- we watched it all!!

[nc1948]

Just watched the video of the PI. He sure wasn't looking for a live Caylee imo

No definitely not an alive Caylee. But after the woods he was searching around a house or building. Was he not trespassing and he was tearing open trash bags. If any of us had gone to someone elses house and tore open trash bags would that not be a crime. Someone said house was abandoned, but does that give him the right to plunder on someone elses property???

[~layla~]

I have not seen that .Has that been verfied recently ,last I knew no one has seen the photos , but if this is new news please tell me where it is ,I have missed it ? TY


its in the LE interview you got your info from... I was just correcting you about who the pics are of. LE tells Geo there are several photos (numbering 1200+) that arent exactly innocent of his daughter CASEY.

paraphrasing yes.

The talk radio is just that.... talk radio. Many have suspected that there are pics of Caylee.... but there is no evidence to support that statement.

Again, LE released an interview with Geo... but it only talks of Casey pics.

[?noanswer]

You're so right. This is crazy. Do you suppose he received info. she was buried behind an abandoned house (whether that particular one or not) and that she was moved?

Please someone watch that raw video & tell me that is not blood spatter on that concrete block and/or piece of wood. It is freaking me out.

I hope LE makes him tell them the location of this house & go check there for evidence.


The video I watched was very grainy. I didn't see any blood splatters. Surely if blood had been on something, it would have been gone by now. JMO

[Neffy]

Hoover wouldn't let the news people record the sound. I find this interesting. Says to me that Casey definitely had some inside info, he was looking for something specific.

"Dominic Casey was focused on a grouping of concrete stones at the scene. His colleague, private investigator Jim Hoover, did not allow Eyewitness News to record the sound, but reporter Kathi Belich listened to the entire tape and clearly heard Dominic Casey say at one point on the tape, "It would be right here."

Sound was purposely eliminated? Interesting.

[Anakerie]

Video Of Anthonys' Investigator Searching Caylee Remains Scene
http://www.wftv.com/news/18458394/detail.html
Raw Video: Anthonys' Private Investigator At Remains Scene 9:20
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html
After watching the "raw" video of that guy digging and probing, I have to wonder what he would have done if he had managed to find something... The way he was digging and stomping around with that metal rod, he looked like he was out to destroy evidence, not find it. Someone was on the other end of that cell phone call telling him where he should look... IMO

[Adalena935]

I think (and some evidence has surfaced) that they spent the month arguing about Casey bringing Caylee home and Casey telling them whatever they wanted to hear and kept on keeping on as she did.

A lot of important evidence can be lost in a month's time. If they admittedly lied on 911 call, then how can anyone know truth from fiction from them on anything else? You can only say oh no that was a lie, now I'm going to tell you the truth so many times before your credibility is gone. (metaphorically)

The myspace postings/baitings are very clear. Ive seen other parents do this.... its ridic. Who argues with a child no matter the age on MySpace fgs!?!? (if you dont think her posts about her angel being taken away et al arent baiting arguments then okay... but I do)
Cindy did one thing ... to beget one thing... Action = reaction.
Same with Casey... "everyone lies, everyone dies" post was clear

All that could've been staged. The reason I don't pour over those a lot is because I can't know who typed the nicknames. Hopefully some truth might come out at trial from forensics examiners, etc. I've seen trials where they can verify date, computer but not the typist or viewer of any given web site. It's frustrating for that reason.

[?noanswer]

I guess I am a true skeptic probably because I have alot of lawyers friends who state " their are no coincidences in these type of cases". I do think the As have known for awhile where Caylee was. I find it odd that they stopped see KC around the time that the MR gave the first tip. I really think that MR was tipped off and was suppose to find the body in August. Why- I don't know. I know that they said the reason why they are not seeing KC is because of the recording but weren't they froze in Aug- I know we didn't get to see 8/14 visit. It is so strange that the MR got relocated around the time of the flood and came back when the water went away-what was he doing back in the lot in August? There are no houses back there to meter read. I think he was looking for something specific. Nejames quit the same time that the PI began filming that video. He knew something- it goes on and on. I could be entirely wrong and my gut is just messed up. I really don't think the MR did anything wrong but I do think he had more info going in that we don't know about and probably never will. jmo Oh and I also think that the As have gone through the stages of grief-denial-anger(remember them out in front of their house) and now acceptance- we watched it all!!

Your friends may have to change their minds. I can just see the title of a movie "Murder by Coincidence". JMO

[sunstar]

Where's the water? It doesn't look flooded to me. Could be not the same area or ???????

I noticed that too so I assumed it wasn't the same exact spot since in mid-November I thought there was still water where Cayle was found. MOO

[?noanswer]

After watching the "raw" video of that guy digging and probing, I have to wonder what he would have done if he had managed to find something... The way he was digging and stomping around with that metal rod, he looked like he was out to destroy evidence, not find it. Someone was on the other end of that cell phone call telling him where he should look... IMO


I also though I saw a shadow of a hand holding a phone too. JMO

[~layla~]

I totally agree with what you say. But that PI was given information and detailed information. He was unable to pinpoint it from someones' verbal word.

I agree ... I think the PIs were going on whatever they had huddled up and brainstormed with stuff Baez had been told by Casey. As long as they were in his employ (which they werent I think we have been told) client atty priveledge would cover..... so much for the huddle.

[Adalena935]

After watching the "raw" video of that guy digging and probing, I have to wonder what he would have done if he had managed to find something... The way he was digging and stomping around with that metal rod, he looked like he was out to destroy evidence, not find it. Someone was on the other end of that cell phone call telling him where he should look... IMO

Maybe it was staged. I suspect a lot in this case was staged to try to protect the accused murderer. When they admit to false statements that are so important the trust is damaged.

[steffaroob4]

Where's the water? It doesn't look flooded to me. Could be not the same area or ???????

No flooding is going to cover that house. Where is the fence Lp said he saw?? Where the heck are they?

[sunstar]

After watching the "raw" video of that guy digging and probing, I have to wonder what he would have done if he had managed to find something... The way he was digging and stomping around with that metal rod, he looked like he was out to destroy evidence, not find it. Someone was on the other end of that cell phone call telling him where he should look... IMO

I thought the same thing ~ he could've run across the remains and actually destroyed them with that shovel. And why would defense investigators want Caylee's remains to be found? :confused:

[dixielover]

Your friends may have to change their minds. I can just see the title of a movie "Murder by Coincidence". JMO

You are probably right. They have successfully tried alot of murder and other bad thing cases. I sure couldn't be a defense attorney. Don't have the stomach for it. jmo

[Neffy]

Wild theory here, this is NOT the exact location of the discovery site.

I agree. IMO he was given detailed information and without the person being there to show him he just couldn't go by verbal directions.

[?noanswer]

I agree ... I think the PIs were going on whatever they had huddled up and brainstormed with stuff Baez had been told by Casey. As long as they were in his employ (which they werent I think we have been told) client atty priveledge would cover..... so much for the huddle.

I wonder why D. Casey quit working for Baez and went to work with the A's. Also what was the date? JMO

[~layla~]

My question would be who put the grouping of stones there (certainly not Casey trying to hide Caylee's body! MOO) or were they (the PIs)even in the exact place Caylee was found? I had heard Leonard say they were several hundred feet away. :shrug:

those paver stones are going to bug me til I get testimony I think. :ohmy:

[Neffy]

Can't wait to see PI's cell records released. Who is on that phone!

[Anakerie]

the grand jury convened and decided very quickly there was enough evidence to bring forth a murder one indictment.

finding the remains has solidified that indictment. Kronk, I havent decided yet, not enough information, just speculation...its bothersome to me that a 'concerned citizen' gives a press statement with a lawyer in tow.

that, in and of itself, is bothersome to me.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Having Mr. Kronk give that press statement with his "lawyer in tow" doesn't bother me that much. Especially given the way the Anthony's and Baez's fingers keep pointing every direction except in Casey's direction. I think I'd probably have a lawyer in tow as well.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Wild theory here, this is NOT the exact location of the discovery site.


That's wild alright. Hoover best keep his day job - videography is not it.
jmo

[Adalena935]

Where's the water? It doesn't look flooded to me. Could be not the same area or ???????

I guess it could be the area, but I don't think the ground is level.

[Destini]

No flooding is going to cover that house. Where is the fence Lp said he saw?? Where the heck are they?

It says in the article:

"The entire recording is 12 minutes long but Hoover would only allow the most important clips to be recorded by Eyewitness News."

So I guess they clipped out about 5 minutes or so? Maybe it was in that part.

[Mairi II]

Oh boy. It's finally sunk in after seeing the videos. The A's knew Caylee was dead at the same time as putting on the facade to the public of believing she was alive. So their PI's aren't out there checking on leads for live Caylee, like I had thought... they were out there the whole time attempting to find her body. Disappoints me. :sad:

[~layla~]

I guess I am a true skeptic probably because I have alot of lawyers friends who state " their are no coincidences in these type of cases". I do think the As have known for awhile where Caylee was. I find it odd that they stopped see KC around the time that the MR gave the first tip. I really think that MR was tipped off and was suppose to find the body in August. Why- I don't know. I know that they said the reason why they are not seeing KC is because of the recording but weren't they froze in Aug- I know we didn't get to see 8/14 visit. It is so strange that the MR got relocated around the time of the flood and came back when the water went away-what was he doing back in the lot in August? There are no houses back there to meter read. I think he was looking for something specific. Nejames quit the same time that the PI began filming that video. He knew something- it goes on and on. I could be entirely wrong and my gut is just messed up. I really don't think the MR did anything wrong but I do think he had more info going in that we don't know about and probably never will. jmo Oh and I also think that the As have gone through the stages of grief-denial-anger(remember them out in front of their house) and now acceptance- we watched it all!!

I dont think there are this many coincidences either. Somehow this all ties up. We just arent privvy to the pattern or the wrapping. Maybe this is where the FBI fits in ... remember they are willing to give up their lab and any other necessaries to help FL LE.

[n/t]

Wild theory here, this is NOT the exact location of the discovery site.

Maybe that's why LE came out smiling after they saw the video. DC and Hoover weren't searching where Caylee's remains were found which proves the remains were where they were all along. No tampering of evidence?

[?noanswer]

Can't wait to see PI's cell records released. Who is on that phone!

Wasn't one of the motion that Baez had last week for a special master to be at the interview of D. Casey? Didn't the Prosecution say it was a mute motion because the interview had already taken place? JMO

[dixielover]

those paver stones are going to bug me til I get testimony I think. :ohmy:


Maybe she put them so someone could come back and move the body or show someone where the body was placed. That was the marker-unfortunately the floods came and KC moved via water.

I wonder if they match the ones at the As- didn't Greta mention the paver on her show and CA said something about the back yard was finished. I can't remember anymore imo

[Adalena935]

Having Mr. Kronk give that press statement with his "lawyer in tow" doesn't bother me that much. Especially given the way the Anthony's and Baez's fingers keep pointing every direction except in Casey's direction. I think I'd probably have a lawyer in tow as well.

I agree with you on that. Anyone hiring a lawyer is their right. I think it would be foolish not to hire one. Especially with a media frenzy like this murder case has. yikes.

Finding a dead body of a baby everyone's been looking for. Does that person need a lawyer. Yes.

It would be easy for people to accuse him of being the murderer since he knew where the body was. yikes.

I'd have a lawyer pronto.

[sunstar]

those paver stones are going to bug me til I get testimony I think. :ohmy:

I just don't think they were in the right location and maybe the stones had been there for some time. Who knows and I'm with you ~ waiting for more information! :)

[steffaroob4]

I think that this is just a sample of the video...important parts taken out.....no fence....and I must have missed the blanket he picked up and threw

I sure hope something is edited, because I am not impressed. Where are the trees? I see a house.

[gaelicpeas]

That's wild alright. Hoover best keep his day job - videography is not it.
jmo
lol... my thoughts exactly! FWIW, that video shows nothing to me.

[Destini]

The way he was using the probe, it's obvious that he was looking for loose earth....probably a grave. Opening the garbage bags, again the only thing that I can think of that he was looking for was either a body, or someother evidence. That is not blood...looks like a "rose" or some other painting on a piece of wood. The house has a Room Air Conditioner stickking out of the window, so probably someone lived there....but that is speculation

Thanks, I guess it's not blood or it would be dark & dried, I suppose. Looked like a piece of concrete though. He turned it over at one point & you could see the holes on the side.

Guess I'll calm down.

[?noanswer]

It says in the article:

"The entire recording is 12 minutes long but Hoover would only allow the most important clips to be recorded by Eyewitness News."

So I guess they clipped out about 5 minutes or so? Maybe it was in that part.

It says the video that is being show is about 9 minutes, but it looked to me that the same things were shown twice. JMO

[happygert]

Oh boy. It's finally sunk in after seeing the videos. The A's knew Caylee was dead at the same time as putting on the facade to the public of believing she was alive. So their PI's aren't out there checking on leads for live Caylee, like I had thought... they were out there the whole time attempting to find her body. Disappoints me. :sad:

Yep and what were they gonna go if they found her? thats what bothers me. Was they gonna hide her somewhere else?

[Adalena935]

I dont think there are this many coincidences either. Somehow this all ties up. We just arent privvy to the pattern or the wrapping. Maybe this is where the FBI fits in ... remember they are willing to give up their lab and any other necessaries to help FL LE.

I think the FBI fits in because it's a young child. That's in the law somewhere. Maybe in the links threads. The FBI being on the case was discussed in the beginning and some info dug up and put in the links threads I believe.

[n/t]

That's wild alright. Hoover best keep his day job - videography is not it.
jmo

Neither is investigating and following up on tips, apparently. How embarrassing for them if they were told exactly where to look but couldn't follow directions. Not that they were famous before this case anyway.

How many more clowns are out there?

[Anakerie]

Where's the water? It doesn't look flooded to me. Could be not the same area or ???????
I don't think they were in the right place. I also noticed they did not go very far into the woods. They stayed very close to the edge of the vegetation. I remember one of the news stations reporters talking to one of the people who live across the street and the fellow was telling the reporter that when it was flooded back there you couldn't get more than 15 or 20 feet off the road before you were in the water.

[sunstar]

Maybe that's why LE came out smiling after they saw the video. DC and Hoover weren't searching where Caylee's remains were found which proves the remains were where they were all along. No tampering of evidence?

Great observation about LE smiling ~ yes, you might just be right!

[Neffy]

That's wild alright. Hoover best keep his day job - videography is not it.
jmo

You know my first thought was he has somekind of shutter of filter on that thing blurring the sides. Was this a staging? I'm not sure if as you say that videography is not his cup of tea or is it? Was this done purposely so not to disclose where they were at and just take their word for it?

(darn Bchand. I think it was her pointed out the "or is it" Craig Ferguson tag line and now I hear his voice when I say it. LOL)

[Tracian]

Oh boy. It's finally sunk in after seeing the videos. The A's knew Caylee was dead at the same time as putting on the facade to the public of believing she was alive. So their PI's aren't out there checking on leads for live Caylee, like I had thought... they were out there the whole time attempting to find her body. Disappoints me. :sad:

Of course they knew, that is why they wouldn't give Tim an item of Caylee's for the dogs to get a scent---that is why they attacked Tim and refused to assist in the search.

[gaelicpeas]

It says the video that is being show is about 9 minutes, but it looked to me that the same things were shown twice. JMO
The same things were shown 3 or 4 times, IMO.

[?noanswer]

I agree with you on that. Anyone hiring a lawyer is their right. I think it would be foolish not to hire one. Especially with a media frenzy like this murder case has. yikes.

Finding a dead body of a baby everyone's been looking for. Does that person need a lawyer. Yes.

It would be easy for people to accuse him of being the murderer since he knew where the body was. yikes.

I'd have a lawyer pronto.

I betcha the lawyer will give an ok before RK says anything. Most questions will probably be answered by the lawyer.

Someone asked in an earlier post when he was going to be on TV. IIRC it was posted last night that it would be GMA tomorrow AM. JMO

[n/t]

For something like this, my bet it will be traced back to a pay phone, and we'll never know who's on the other end. But if I had to guess -- CINDY!

Don't think so......

[Destini]

It says the video that is being show is about 9 minutes, but it looked to me that the same things were shown twice. JMO

I think they were shown twice, too. I believe the timer thing on the video went from the 15th to the 16th & back to the 15th. I'll have to go back & look.

[~layla~]

A lot of important evidence can be lost in a month's time. If they admittedly lied on 911 call, then how can anyone know truth from fiction from them on anything else? You can only say oh no that was a lie, now I'm going to tell you the truth so many times before your credibility is gone. (metaphorically)



All that could've been staged. The reason I don't pour over those a lot is because I can't know who typed the nicknames. Hopefully some truth might come out at trial from forensics examiners, etc. I've seen trials where they can verify date, computer but not the typist or viewer of any given web site. It's frustrating for that reason.


Okay Ill attempt this once.
I have no doubt Cindy posted the July 3rd rant about jealousy and anger and how her angel has been taken away.....
IMO she did that to anger Casey... to get a reaction. Basically Casey had cut communication.... only texts and missed calls and very few actual voice to voice calls between them.

The truth has a way of telling itself. Seems to be you would recognize that by now. Casey hasnt said one ounce of truth except her name. That is only because I can verify that fact that I believe it from her.

as for what you do and dont pour over.... I missed your point.

[?noanswer]

I think the FBI fits in because it's a young child. That's in the law somewhere. Maybe in the links threads. The FBI being on the case was discussed in the beginning and some info dug up and put in the links threads I believe.


I think the FBI is relating to the kidnapping especially since she was supposedly in other states. JMO

[sunstar]

Yep and what were they gonna go if they found her? thats what bothers me. Was they gonna hide her somewhere else?

That's exactly what I'm thinking they were up to, therefore the shovel, and then come out and say "she isn't there". MOO

[steffaroob4]

Maybe that's why LE came out smiling after they saw the video. DC and Hoover weren't searching where Caylee's remains were found which proves the remains were where they were all along. No tampering of evidence?

I think I agree.

If this is the only place they searched, it sure isn't the discovery location. I wonder where they were. I can't see an abandoned house in that area, I wish we had someone local that knows.

I see no rocks or pavers... I saw cement bricks, part of a house.

[?noanswer]

I don't think they were in the right place. I also noticed they did not go very far into the woods. They stayed very close to the edge of the vegetation. I remember one of the news stations reporters talking to one of the people who live across the street and the fellow was telling the reporter that when it was flooded back there you couldn't get more than 15 or 20 feet off the road before you were in the water.

Maybe they were skeered of snakes! JMO

[sunstar]

Don't think so......

Wasn't that when he said he was talking to his daughter on the phone? I didn't really believe that one but you'd think he would know LE could find out!

[n/t]

Hey Steff, do you remember the remark from lenny when he said he had canceled his reward for finding Caylee because people were going through others peoples backyards? Anyone know the date he canceled it?

OMG you're so right. He did say that. I'll have to google it.

[SBT123]

its in the LE interview you got your info from... I was just correcting you about who the pics are of. LE tells Geo there are several photos (numbering 1200+) that arent exactly innocent of his daughter CASEY.

paraphrasing yes.

The talk radio is just that.... talk radio. Many have suspected that there are pics of Caylee.... but there is no evidence to support that statement.

Again, LE released an interview with Geo... but it only talks of Casey pics.
I remember reading it ,but i don't remember LE specifically stating the pictures were of Casey ,just that they were graphic .I am not discounting you as I have not read it again as of late , just saying I didn't remember they were said who the pictures were ,just that they were graphic ...if they were of CASEY ...why would LE SHOW them to her DAD ? What was the point ? What did that prove ? And WHY did George not want LEE to know about it ....I agree LEE shouldn't be looking wither ,but just can't see why they felt George needed to see pictures of his naked daughter unless it showed maybe that she was into something she should not have been like porn ?

[Mairi II]

Yep and what were they gonna go if they found her? thats what bothers me. Was they gonna hide her somewhere else?

I'm right there with you. Or (trying to keep some faith in the A's) were they doubting their daughter.... wait, nevermind. They/he would've had to know the general vicinity to search. And that could only directly or indirectly come from one person: the murderer.

[Adalena935]

It would bother me also; I hope that if there is enough to charge them, they get charged, they should not get special treatment if they broke the law.

I think it's awful too. I always heard the first rule is don't lie to the police. I don't think they'll be charged with anything. I think they're just after the murderer. It's a complicated case. I can't even get my mind around how the prosecution's going to question them after all the statements they've made that are conflicting at every twist and turn.

Seems a nightmarish job for the prosecution to me.

[~layla~]

Can't wait to see PI's cell records released. Who is on that phone!

ME TOO!!! I want to know who that was.

[Anakerie]

Maybe that's why LE came out smiling after they saw the video. DC and Hoover weren't searching where Caylee's remains were found which proves the remains were where they were all along. No tampering of evidence?
I'd say that's probably a good guess. LE knows where the remains were found. They know what the "landmarks" would be and they didn't see the "landmarks" in that video. (That's my guess.. hehe)

[?noanswer]

Okay Ill attempt this once.
I have no doubt Cindy posted the July 3rd rant about jealousy and anger and how her angel has been taken away.....
IMO she did that to anger Casey... to get a reaction. Basically Casey had cut communication.... only texts and missed calls and very few actual voice to voice calls between them.

The truth has a way of telling itself. Seems to be you would recognize that by now. Casey hasnt said one ounce of truth except her name. That is only because I can verify that fact that I believe it from her.

as for what you do and dont pour over.... I missed your point.


Didn't Cindy go to Universal to check out KC's employment on that date and also didn't KC find out that CA was trying to find her. I also remember something about Lee on that date. Either he called her or went to the club. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Also.....IIRC, LE said they were very optimistic after viewing the videos. Why?

Anybody?

Maybe because the video doesn't photograph the exact same discovery site?

[Neffy]

I remember reading it ,but i don't remember LE specifically stating the pictures were of Casey ,just that they were graphic .I am not discounting you as I have not read it again as of late , just saying I didn't remember they were said who the pictures were ,just that they were graphic ...if they were of CASEY ...why would LE SHOW them to her DAD ? What was the point ? What did that prove ? And WHY did George not want LEE to know about it ....I agree LEE shouldn't be looking wither ,but just can't see why they felt George needed to see pictures of his naked daughter unless it showed maybe that she was into something she should not have been like porn ?

To correct you LE did not show him the 1200+ pics. LE TOLD him of their existance and contents.

[SBT123]

That's exactly what I'm thinking they were up to, therefore the shovel, and then come out and say "she isn't there". MOO

BUT .......how would they have known 3 weeks later KRONK was going to discover a body right there ? They weren't psychic .....so how could they have foreseen Kronk doing this ?

[kitty1182]

Wasn't that when he said he was talking to his daughter on the phone? I didn't really believe that one but you'd think he would know LE could find out!


What if it comes back he was talking with JB? :blink:

[Neffy]

Wasn't one of the motion that Baez had last week for a special master to be at the interview of D. Casey? Didn't the Prosecution say it was a mute motion because the interview had already taken place? JMO

Yes, that's correct.

[SBT123]

To correct you LE did not show him the 1200+ pics. LE TOLD him of their existance and contents.


Then why did they say beforehand we are warning you they are graphic if they did not show him and George threw up because he only heard of them ? That sounds odd .

[Anakerie]

Neither is investigating and following up on tips, apparently. How embarrassing for them if they were told exactly where to look but couldn't follow directions. Not that they were famous before this case anyway.

How many more clowns are out there?

I keep expecting to see one of those circus clown cars come rolling out.. The doors open and all these clowns, including D. Casey and Hoover, come bouncing out... :blink:

[Mairi II]

Of course they knew, that is why they wouldn't give Tim an item of Caylee's for the dogs to get a scent---that is why they attacked Tim and refused to assist in the search.

I'm just kind of blown away by all this. I really am. I bummed.

[Destini]

I'm right there with you. Or (trying to keep some faith in the A's) were they doubting their daughter.... wait, nevermind. They/he would've had to know the general vicinity to search. And that could only directly or indirectly come from one person: the murderer.

That gave me the chills, and you're exactly right. The point is not that they were not in the exact area she was found but that they were in the general area & were looking for something specific that could have only come from the murderer OR someone she told.

I know I either read online or heard on the TV this was the only place that Dominic searched, which says a lot.

[?noanswer]

BUT .......how would they have known 3 weeks later KRONK was going to discover a body right there ? They weren't psychic .....so how could they have foreseen Kronk doing this ?

I don't think they could have foreseen it. I have seen something posted that RK was a PI and bondsman. If so that could be the reason he was curious/had theories more than the average person. JMO

[Neffy]

For something like this, my bet it will be traced back to a pay phone, and we'll never know who's on the other end. But if I had to guess -- CINDY!

OMG payphone! I hope not. I can't even venture a guess on who it is.

It's certainly not his daughter who he's already claimed it was. Interestingly enough hoover said he had 3 phones. What's up with that?

[Mairi II]

Then why did they say beforehand we are warning you they are graphic if they did not show him and George threw up because he only heard of them ? That sounds odd .

Does anyone know what the content of these 1200 pictures are? I'm assuming they're pornographice in nature. Where'd they find them? the 'net? What a total, utter pig.

[sunstar]

BUT .......how would they have known 3 weeks later KRONK was going to discover a body right there ? They weren't psychic .....so how could they have foreseen Kronk doing this ?

I think the PIs had a tip that Caylee might be there (or was there, depending who it came from) but they were actually in the wrong spot. I'm still not sure if there's any connection between them and Kronk. :shrug: MOO

[Tracian]

BUT .......how would they have known 3 weeks later KRONK was going to discover a body right there ? They weren't psychic .....so how could they have foreseen Kronk doing this ?


Maybe they knew that the water was going down, and that the area was a place of interest for Tim, who said he would not search there again until the water was gone. Maybe they knew about the calls made back in August, and again for the same reason, they were getting concerned because the water was exposing more of the area.

[steffaroob4]

Hey Steff, do you remember the remark from lenny when he said he had canceled his reward for finding Caylee because people were going through others peoples backyards? Anyone know the date he canceled it?

Honestly, the first time I heard him cancel it was after the remains were found. he did try to give Kronk some money after, but to claim that Kronk would have to meet and talk with LP.

I can't find any house near the school that looks abandoned, I am looking at released crime scene pics.

[~layla~]

Maybe she put them so someone could come back and move the body or show someone where the body was placed. That was the marker-unfortunately the floods came and KC moved via water.

I wonder if they match the ones at the As- didn't Greta mention the paver on her show and CA said something about the back yard was finished. I can't remember anymore imo
I think you meant Caylee... via water.

IDK about those paver things.. but they sure do tickle my nose and keep it on the edge of a sneeze! The Greta interview you are taling about is what got me up in arms about them, but the camera angle never shows what exactly Cindy is talking about "replacing" .... :(

[?noanswer]

OMG payphone! I hope not. I can't even venture a guess on who it is.

It's certainly not his daughter who he's already claimed it was. Interestingly enough hoover said he had 3 phones. What's up with that?

Maybe they were those throw away phones that can't be traced. JMO

[Neffy]

Then why did they say beforehand we are warning you they are graphic if they did not show him and George threw up because he only heard of them ? That sounds odd .

IIRC correctly LE said because they got them off of the net, they may surface across the net. If they were on on computer they're most likely on another.

[Cury-us Coyote]

After watching the "raw" video of that guy digging and probing, I have to wonder what he would have done if he had managed to find something... The way he was digging and stomping around with that metal rod, he looked like he was out to destroy evidence, not find it. Someone was on the other end of that cell phone call telling him where he should look... IMO

IMO, the ground appeared recently moist and easily probed. Is that typical for Central Florida?

[n/t]

Dec. 12th. transcripts - Nancy Grace

PADILLA: There was a reward if she was found alive. And for a period of time, I had offered one if she was found dead, but that was recalled because a lot of people were trampling back yards and stuff. And so I took it off the table way back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/12/ng.01.html

[sunstar]

What if it comes back he was talking with JB? :blink:

It could very well be! :smile:

[Calla]

How sad,,
NG rerunning again!

Casey boldly lying telling her mom to be strong they will get their little girl back and she will be "just as she was"
I truly would hope the Anthony's not going to see her is NOT all legal manuevering. I hope, for their sake, it is by choice.
I have my doubts since George wanted to see her and know she was ok, but there really is no point.

Watched the PI video. I am not convinced it was the same area, but its so hard to make out. Does Hoover say it is the same area, or not??
I find it very interesting (or coincidental) lol...that it is reported the Mr Kronk was a former PI.

[steffaroob4]

Kronk Gives New Information About Finding Caylee's (http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html) Remains
Meter Reader Was At Site Of Remains More Than He Previously Said

POSTED: 7:53 pm EST

[Tracian]

I'm just kind of blown away by all this. I really am. I bummed.


I understand, it is abhorrent the way this family has behaved.

[?noanswer]

IIRC correctly LE said because they got them off of the net, they may surface across the net. If they were on on computer they're most likely on another.

I remember them saying something like that. JMO

[Neffy]

Hey Steff, do you remember the remark from lenny when he said he had canceled his reward for finding Caylee because people were going through others peoples backyards? Anyone know the date he canceled it?


I do recall that and the first I remember hearing about the cancellation due to that reason is when Kronk found the remains and why he wasn't going to anti up as he saw the reward being null and void by then.

2nd was the excuse that he'd like to but city employees couldn't accept rewards.

[Mairi II]

Forgive me for asking a rather stupid question: How are these videos supposed to help the defense? That's the impression I was getting at first. But I think it trashes the defense. Was it that they're saying the bag wasn't there? If so, they weren't even in the exact same spot, were they?

[n/t]

Maybe because the video doesn't photograph the exact same discovery site?

GMTA ! :smile:

[Cury-us Coyote]

No flooding is going to cover that house. Where is the fence Lp said he saw?? Where the heck are they?

Didn't LP describe a video on the road with DC several yards away on the phone?

[Adalena935]

That gave me the chills, and you're exactly right. The point is not that they were not in the exact area she was found but that they were in the general area & were looking for something specific that could have only come from the murderer OR someone she told.

I know I either read online or heard on the TV this was the only place that Dominic searched, which says a lot.

I was home for awhile and turned on tv. Fox news had it as breaking news. They didn't seem to know what was going on. The area was being searched and they said several times that the body of Caylee Anthony may be found. my paraphrase but that's close.

There's only one person who knew where the body was. The person who murdered her and put the body there. I couldn't remember how long before the actual discovery was. I thought it was about a week. I think Nancy Grace said it was about a month. At any rate Casey was talking.

[Mairi II]

I understand, it is abhorrent the way this family has behaved.

And I'm usually a pretty cynical, skeptical person. Man, was I fooled.

[velvetbrown]

Hi all,
Just tuned in to NG, she's showing unedited tot mom tapes...just nauseating...amazing that her pants don't spontaneously combust...

[dixielover]

I think you meant Caylee... via water.

IDK about those paver things.. but they sure do tickle my nose and keep it on the edge of a sneeze! The Greta interview you are taling about is what got me up in arms about them, but the camera angle never shows what exactly Cindy is talking about "replacing" .... :(

Sorry I meant Caylee- I might be very wrong but I remember Greta saying something about the pavers being missing and CA stated that they were still working on the backyard or had been working on the yard-maybe I dreamed it jmo

[n/t]

Forgive me for asking a rather stupid question: How are these videos supposed to help the defense? That's the impression I was getting at first. But I think it trashes the defense. Was it that they're saying the bag wasn't there? If so, they weren't even in the exact same spot, were they?

I think the video wasn't supposed to surface now. This may have been Baez's AHA moment at trial. It backfired.

JMO

[Adalena935]

Forgive me for asking a rather stupid question: How are these videos supposed to help the defense? That's the impression I was getting at first. But I think it trashes the defense. Was it that they're saying the bag wasn't there? If so, they weren't even in the exact same spot, were they?

At the time, the body haden't been found. IF the body had never been found they could go into court, show the videos, prove they looked and supposedly prove the body wasn't there. Which would prove the fake nanny still had her out there kidnapped someplace. Then it would follow Casey would go free; hence no murder being proven by the prosecution.

I think that's what they were after. To put doubt in the mind of one juror.

The body being found blew their set-up. Personally I believe a lot of this case has been staged, a set up to protect the killer.

[Neffy]

Forgive me for asking a rather stupid question: How are these videos supposed to help the defense? That's the impression I was getting at first. But I think it trashes the defense. Was it that they're saying the bag wasn't there? If so, they weren't even in the exact same spot, were they?


That's the deal. It's not obvious as to who was supposed to benefit to at least to me it isn't. My guess is the defense in some way but I don't see how.

[kitty1182]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter?

I don't...I think it may be on the phone with JB..MO

[Neffy]

I think the video wasn't supposed to surface now. This may have been Baez's AHA moment at trial. It backfired.

JMO

:eek:

You just may be right.

[Calla]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter while he's searching for Caylee's remains?

----nope----

[~layla~]

I think the FBI fits in because it's a young child. That's in the law somewhere. Maybe in the links threads. The FBI being on the case was discussed in the beginning and some info dug up and put in the links threads I believe.

In the case of a kidnapping yes. This was clearly not a case of kidnapping.... it was false. They figured that out pretty early on.
The question remains, why did they stay on, close, and silent?

[n/t]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter while he's searching for Caylee's remains?

No. Does anyone on the defense side tell the truth about anything?

[steffaroob4]

Didn't LP describe a video on the road with DC several yards away on the phone?

The first day, he said exact spot and said fence was there, the next day he shifted to several hundred yards away. Like I said, LP came out with his story the same day channel 9 broke the story, and his priginal statements were wrong.

Only fence I saw was some white lattice fence.

[Neffy]

What if it comes back he was talking with JB? :blink:

I'm actually hoping it does.

[Mairi II]

Hi all,
Just tuned in to NG, she's showing unedited tot mom tapes...just nauseating...amazing that her pants don't spontaneously combust...


Nauseating indeed. I don't know if they're showing some of the same tapes as last night, but did ya notice Cindy was the one who planted the whole "gut feeling" stance that Casey takes over and over again, ad nauseum? Pffffffffffffft. Ridiculous.

BTW, thanks to you who offered up possible explanations to my ? about the video benefiting whomever. Appreciated. :)

[Neffy]

Didn't LP describe a video on the road with DC several yards away on the phone?

Oh your right. Made it sound like DC didn't know Hoover was video taping him. At least that was my impression.

[Calla]

Oh your right. Made it sound like DC didn't know Hoover was video taping him. At least that was my impression.

Hmm I was wondering while I was watching why leaves keep floating in front of the lens...maybe thats why

[dixielover]

The first day, he said exact spot and said fence was there, the next day he shifted to several hundred yards away. Like I said, LP came out with his story the same day channel 9 broke the story, and his priginal statements were wrong.

Only fence I saw was some white lattice fence.

when did LP state that DC and Hoover tell him about the tape-was it in November after they did it. If that is true, why did LP wait so long to tell the public. He loves to tell all or after he called NS was the LE just waiting and watching. jmo

[steffaroob4]

when did LP state that DC and Hoover tell him about the tape-was it in November after they did it. If that is true, why did LP wait so long to tell the public. He loves to tell all or after he called NS was the LE just waiting and watching. jmo

LP said he found out about tape on 15/16th of Dec. He never mentioned it until Dec 29th, the same day channel 9 broke the story.
LP keeping his mouth shut for 12 days doesn't make sense to me.
His original descriptions of the tape were off by quite a bit.

[Neffy]

No!

I want to know why this member of the Caylee's Alive team was searching for a dead body. And I want to know who was instructing him where to look.

Let's narrow this down with a list. Seems to me it had to be one of the following:

Casey herself
another Anthony (C, G, or Lee)
Baez
Lenny or one of his crew (Rob Dick or Tracy)
someone Casey's been talking to inside the jail
a friend of Casey's


Am I missing any potential sources of inside information?

What do ya'll think?


The only one I can rule out is 5. Casey has no jail friends. Protective custody.

[n/t]

when did LP state that DC and Hoover tell him about the tape-was it in November after they did it. If that is true, why did LP wait so long to tell the public. He loves to tell all or after he called NS was the LE just waiting and watching. jmo

IIRC, Dec 15 is when Lenny was told and he allegedly called Nick Savage, FBI to inform them.

The defense strategies crumbling down right before our eyes. Don't underestimate the FBI.:smile:

[True2Blues]

No!

I want to know why this member of the Caylee's Alive team was searching for a dead body. And I want to know who was instructing him where to look.

Let's narrow this down with a list. Seems to me it had to be one of the following:

Casey herself
another Anthony (C, G, or Lee)
Baez
Lenny or one of his crew (Rob Dick or Tracy)
someone Casey's been talking to inside the jail
a friend of Casey's


Am I missing any potential sources of inside information?

What do ya'll think?

I think that no matter which of those you choose, the original source for that information could only have been Casey, unless she had help dumping the body (which I don't think she did). That indicates to me that they all knew Caylee was dead and Casey was responsible back when they were carrying on about an alive Caylee.

[SBT123]

Kronk Gives New Information About Finding Caylee's (http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html) Remains
Meter Reader Was At Site Of Remains More Than He Previously Said

POSTED: 7:53 pm EST

On 11-10-08 he made one more visit to the area ,but it was all BUINESS ? Then Kronk didn't take the time to back into the woods that day assuming the tips he called in 8-11-12-13 of 08 were pointless ,but on 12-11-08 he takes a pee in the exact same spot he first saw the bag .

So on 11-10 the visit he didn't report was all business and he had totally discounted his prior tips and visits and basically lost interest since there was nothing to it ,but 12-11-08 he coincidently peed right THERE....WOW , that is a coincidence .

[True2Blues]

Number 2.

Most definitely.

Interesting. Because you think she told them, or because one or more helped her hide the body?

[dixielover]

No!

I want to know why this member of the Caylee's Alive team was searching for a dead body. And I want to know who was instructing him where to look.

Let's narrow this down with a list. Seems to me it had to be one of the following:

Casey herself
another Anthony (C, G, or Lee)
Baez
Lenny or one of his crew (Rob Dick or Tracy)
someone Casey's been talking to inside the jail
a friend of Casey's


Am I missing any potential sources of inside information?

What do ya'll think?

I think LA knew close to the beginning- I think maybe (long shot) KC miight have told her dad- the time she ask to see him but JB stopped it. I think she thought that Tim would find her but then the floods came and she might have thought she was home free due to the water. Just thinking out loud.

I am going with LA but I am not sure about the MR-I still think it is odd that he called his supervisor which happens to live on the same block before calling the police - maybe that is the way it is done. imo

[happygert]

Of course they knew, that is why they wouldn't give Tim an item of Caylee's for the dogs to get a scent---that is why they attacked Tim and refused to assist in the search.

yep that why they threw a fit at J Blanchard Park they knew the more the ***ched the more LP would stay right there..

[Neffy]

Number 2.

Most definitely.

I'll have to agree but expand it by saying 2 or 3. I'd also like to expand Baez into including member of Baez's team.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Dec. 12th. transcripts - Nancy Grace

PADILLA: There was a reward if she was found alive. And for a period of time, I had offered one if she was found dead, but that was recalled because a lot of people were trampling back yards and stuff. And so I took it off the table way back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/12/ng.01.html

That was the first time I ever heard LP mention recalling the reward. IIRC the topic was discussed on 12/12 -no link surfaced.
jmo

[Neffy]

Dec. 12th. transcripts - Nancy Grace

PADILLA: There was a reward if she was found alive. And for a period of time, I had offered one if she was found dead, but that was recalled because a lot of people were trampling back yards and stuff. And so I took it off the table way back.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/12/ng.01.html

TY for that. That's is the only thing I recall. I'd forgotten about the "alive" part.

[steffaroob4]

On 11-10-08 he made one more visit to the area ,but it was all BUINESS ? Then Kronk didn't take the time to back into the woods that day assuming the tips he called in 8-11-12-13 of 08 were pointless ,but on 12-11-08 he takes a pee in the exact same spot he first saw the bag .

So on 11-10 the visit he didn't report was all business and he had totally discounted his prior tips and visits and basically lost interest since there was nothing to it ,but 12-11-08 he coincidently peed right THERE....WOW , that is a coincidence .

Well, TES was in towm searching around that time. Maybe he was having a bad day at work and running behind. I can't fault him for that, I don't hink he was overly obsessed, just curious.

[Januarybaby]

All they need to do is look at the tape. It was taken at 9:40 in the morning. Then get his cell phone records and at that time, find out who called him or who he called and they can find out just who he was talking to while searching through the weeds and bags.

[Anakerie]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter while he's searching for Caylee's remains?
I sure don't.

I think whoever was on the other end of that call was telling Dominic what to look for.

[Mairi II]

No!

I want to know why this member of the Caylee's Alive team was searching for a dead body. And I want to know who was instructing him where to look.

Let's narrow this down with a list. Seems to me it had to be one of the following:

Casey herself
another Anthony (C, G, or Lee)
Baez
Lenny or one of his crew (Rob Dick or Tracy)
someone Casey's been talking to inside the jail
a friend of Casey's


Am I missing any potential sources of inside information?

What do ya'll think?

I think it was probably Lee or Baez who gave him the tip. I don't think they told him the exact spot - because how could they trust him? They couldn't and wouldn't (IMO). They just wanted footage of it being searched with no findings. But the A's were paying his fees (ostensibly) so they would've approved a search for a body. They were complicit.

Just wanted to add I think George could've given it, too. I don't think Cindy, though.

[~layla~]

I remember reading it ,but i don't remember LE specifically stating the pictures were of Casey ,just that they were graphic .I am not discounting you as I have not read it again as of late , just saying I didn't remember they were said who the pictures were ,just that they were graphic ...if they were of CASEY ...why would LE SHOW them to her DAD ? What was the point ? What did that prove ? And WHY did George not want LEE to know about it ....I agree LEE shouldn't be looking wither ,but just can't see why they felt George needed to see pictures of his naked daughter unless it showed maybe that she was into something she should not have been like porn ?

you do understand there are many many 20+ y/o women online naked all the time right? I dont think porn was Caseys thing, as much as men admiring her and wanting her, this was a means to an end for her. MONEY.

and I think Lee knew of Caseys more wild illicit side. I dont think LE showed them, I think LE told them, and Geo and Lee already suspected or knew anyway.

and no I didnt READ it anywhere... I was directing you to the place the story is from... the LE interview with Geo. Other than that, nothing else has been released concerning this topic.

[sunstar]

Kronk Gives New Information About Finding Caylee's (http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html) Remains
Meter Reader Was At Site Of Remains More Than He Previously Said

POSTED: 7:53 pm EST

It says he was also in the area on Nov. 10 but it was "all business".

[?noanswer]

when did LP state that DC and Hoover tell him about the tape-was it in November after they did it. If that is true, why did LP wait so long to tell the public. He loves to tell all or after he called NS was the LE just waiting and watching. jmo

I think it was in December. JMO

[kitty1182]

I sure don't.

I think whoever was on the other end of that call was telling Dominic what to look for.



I still think it may have been JB..imo

[aubrey04]

Number 2.

Most definitely.

I think #2 also. imo.

[?noanswer]

LP said he found out about tape on 15/16th of Dec. He never mentioned it until Dec 29th, the same day channel 9 broke the story.
LP keeping his mouth shut for 12 days doesn't make sense to me.
His original descriptions of the tape were off by quite a bit.


He said he called the FBI guy, Savage. JMO

[Neffy]

I agree.....and I can narrow it down a little more....more then likely Lee.....through a note passed down thru Baez.....IMO of course

I'll match your Lee and up the ante to not Baez himself but Baez team member of unknown origin. Another PI that D Casey was replace with perhaps.

Is there honor among PI's? Dunno? Certainly wasn't in the case of Hoover and D Casey. Perhaps Hoover grew a conscience or just wanted to cash in or both.

[steffaroob4]

He said he called the FBI guy, Savage. JMO

I sure hope we get to see that report, I can't wait to see what date he called Savage.

[bchand]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter while he's searching for Caylee's remains?

Not I LS. I went back to see the date of the article where D. Casey says Casey is a loving protective mother. It was Nov 12th !!! What happened 2 days later that made him call Hoover and say I know where Caylee is and she's dead?

http://www.pinow.com/news/2008/11/12/pi-in-anthony-case-speaks/

PI in Anthony Case Speaks
posted by PInow.com Staff | November 12th, 2008


The private investigator working with the Anthony family to locate Caylee Marie believes Casey Anthony is a “loving and protective mother.”

They all make me sick.

[~layla~]

Didn't Cindy go to Universal to check out KC's employment on that date and also didn't KC find out that CA was trying to find her. I also remember something about Lee on that date. Either he called her or went to the club. JMO

Is that Cindys version? Again... until there is someone outside the family to corraborate facts like Cindys checking at UA for a job that Casey doesnt have..... I dont beleive Cindy ..... She has proven to lie for whatever reason she deems appropriate.

[sunstar]

I think it was probably Lee or Baez who gave him the tip. I don't think they told him the exact spot - because how could they trust him? They couldn't and wouldn't (IMO). They just wanted footage of it being searched with no findings. But the A's were paying his fees (ostensibly) so they would've approved a search for a body. They were complicit.

Just wanted to add I think George could've given it, too. I don't think Cindy, though.

I'm actually going to suspect it was LA who the PI was talking to. I can't figure out at all why Baez would be telling him the location of Caylee's remains as that would mean Casey had confessed ~ which I don't think has happened. On the other hand, LA could've picked up on the clues Casey gave him (with the intent to move Caylee's body and hide it better) and passed the info. on to the PI. MOO

[?noanswer]

I sure don't.

I think whoever was on the other end of that call was telling Dominic what to look for.


I can't figure out why he had someone taping him. Course nothing else about this makes any sense either. I guess the reason LE had already interviewed D Casey before the motion was filed because they knew about the tape. JMO

[bchand]

Yeah... I lean more towards Lee.

That would fit with Lee trying to be Junior Detective.


and that would mean that Jose knew. He surely wouldn't let a note go from Casey without reading it first.

[Lavenia]

You know my first thought was he has somekind of shutter of filter on that thing blurring the sides. Was this a staging? I'm not sure if as you say that videography is not his cup of tea or is it? Was this done purposely so not to disclose where they were at and just take their word for it?

(darn Bchand. I think it was her pointed out the "or is it" Craig Ferguson tag line and now I hear his voice when I say it. LOL)

Yes, she did, and now I hear it, too! :laugh:

[True2Blues]

Oh, there's no doubt who the original source is. But I think if the info's coming from Baez via Casey, that's a whole different animal from the info coming from one of the Anthony's via Casey. Don't you? (Not with regard to Casey's guilt, obviously, but with regard to others with knowledge and how that plays into funds set up to find a "missing" Caylee, requests for immunity, etc.)

In regards to the funds collected I think it definitely makes a difference. I'm sure there is going to be a very close examination of the money end before it's all over.

[Neffy]

If Caylee wasn't found there why would the defense have to prove it.

JMO

That's true but between your post and Adelena maybe that's why Hoover panicked and wanted to cash in. He knew they had that and the body was found there.

If more then one person knows what you've been up to suffice it to say you are open to be found out.

Hoover, D. Casey and the person/s on the other end of that phone.

[aubrey04]

Not I LS. I went back to see the date of the article where D. Casey says Casey is a loving protective mother. It was Nov 12th !!! What happened 2 days later that made him call Hoover and say I know where Caylee is and she's dead?

http://www.pinow.com/news/2008/11/12/pi-in-anthony-case-speaks/

PI in Anthony Case Speaks
posted by PInow.com Staff | November 12th, 2008


The private investigator working with the Anthony family to locate Caylee Marie believes Casey Anthony is a “loving and protective mother.”

They all make me sick.

Give me a break... How can he even say that w/a straight face?

[Anakerie]

I'll match your Lee and up the ante to not Baez himself but Baez team member of unknown origin. Another PI that D Casey was replace with perhaps.

Is there honor among PI's? Dunno? Certainly wasn't in the case of Hoover and D Casey. Perhaps Hoover grew a conscience or just wanted to cash in or both.
I think both of them, D. Casey and Hoover, want to cash in with that video... Hence the "kings ransom" they wanted the media to pay in order to show that video. They probably couldn't get any more cash out of Baez or the Anthony family, so.... They peddle their video.

[happygert]

All they need to do is look at the tape. It was taken at 9:40 in the morning. Then get his cell phone records and at that time, find out who called him or who he called and they can find out just who he was talking to while searching through the weeds and bags.

Im sure LE has already sent a search warrant to his cell provider for all 3 phones...Then warrants for other records for a few other people as well..MO

[SBT123]

7) A physic

8) Murt

I pick # 7

[aubrey04]

7) A physic

8) Murt

Murt?? :lol:

Are you serious? Did you ever watch Murt on cam? No way was it Murt, imo.

[bchand]

Yes, she did, and now I hear it, too! :laugh:

hahaha, sorry Neffy and Lavenia.

[Lavenia]

Does anyone seriously believe Dominic Casey is on the phone with his (at the time) ill daughter while he's searching for Caylee's remains?

That would be negatory Sharkie.

[~layla~]

IIRC correctly LE said because they got them off of the net, they may surface across the net. If they were on on computer they're most likely on another.


psst Neffy. Do you think they could be like CraigsList postings and the like? I do. Since her pc searches included so many of the escort sites, there are many internet solicitation type sites too. She posted her pics looking for Sugar Daddys from all around. All just guesses on my part.
But the reason I think they were individual, is the fact if it was any site with any traffic, they would have sold them so fast to "red light productions" ... for a nice price.


and to whoever asked... no they did NOT say the contents.. they just said they were bad. (as in a bad light for Casey)

[Lavenia]

hahaha, sorry Neffy and Lavenia.

That's okay, I just have another voice in my head now. <sigh> :tonguewag:

[True2Blues]

Because Casey told them.

Should have made that clear, huh? ;)

Doin' it now.

I asked because I have always wondered about Lee's involvement in this. She most likely did it on her own, but if she had help dumping the body, I can see her turning to Lee.:smile:

[Lavenia]

Murt?? :lol:

Are you serious? Did you ever watch Murt on cam? No way was it Murt, imo.

Is he doing anything regarding this case anymore? I was wondering about him the other day.

[Anakerie]

I can't figure out why he had someone taping him. Course nothing else about this makes any sense either. I guess the reason LE had already interviewed D Casey before the motion was filed because they knew about the tape. JMO
No, none of it makes any sense. But then, do circus clowns ever make sense? :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

In the case of a kidnapping yes. This was clearly not a case of kidnapping.... it was false. They figured that out pretty early on.
The question remains, why did they stay on, close, and silent?

Their release to the public the interviews doesn't seem silent to me. here's their crimes against children's web site. You may be able to find info there, ask them about the laws regarding missing children or ask them any question you might have. I read somewhere on FBI web site that if a young child under a certain age is missing they get involved and it's the law. The boards have discussed this issue before. Probably some links in the links threads about it.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm

[Mairi II]

I asked because I have always wondered about Lee's involvement in this. She most likely did it on her own, but if she had help dumping the body, I can see her turning to Lee.:smile:

Particularly in light of the accusation she leveled towards him to one of her cronies. You know what I mean.

[happygert]

Evening Gert. Keep in mind too that the Anthony's blew a gasket about the memorial service that Padilla was doing with Grund's Father.....kind of a slap at Cindy....after all she dropped dime on Jesse, saying he was involved somehow.

I think the Anthony's were mad that someone else was trying to get a little publicity besides them and intruding into their financial future with the death of this baby. IMO. They must have known by then that nothing would have been found.....they were looking in the wrong spot. Kinda like Geraldo opening the safe.....they watched...knowing it would come to nothing. It was all for publicity for the Anthony's.

Evening Mac..Yes very true .That's why casey went back to her cell and have a treat instead of watching the rest of search when divers were there...

[Neffy]

psst Neffy. Do you think they could be like CraigsList postings and the like? I do. Since her pc searches included so many of the escort sites, there are many internet solicitation type sites too. She posted her pics looking for Sugar Daddys from all around. All just guesses on my part.
But the reason I think they were individual, is the fact if it was any site with any traffic, they would have sold them so fast to "red light productions" ... for a nice price.


and to whoever asked... no they did NOT say the contents.. they just said they were bad. (as in a bad light for Casey)


I haven't really looked into those escort services searches and matched up if that was on laptop or home computer or what the person searching them was on before or after. Has George been ruled out that they weren't HIS searches. I don't trust that guy. Nigerian email scam HMPH. This is just my rambling thought as I said I really never looked into this part of the case.

Now with what you say and the explicit photo's that is a possibility. It sure wasn't a money maker with all of her theft of money in the family and with her friend Amy.

[Neffy]

ITA. The A's became very protective of Caylee after she went missing.

Her name and likeness for sure. :)

[sunstar]

Okay, so it seems most of us feel it had to be Baez or one of the A's who instructed Dominic where to look for a dead Caylee.

The way I see it, no one on Teams Casey or Anthony would benefit from a dead body being discovered, especially as they all rode the Caylee's Alive train around Orlando and other locations.

Next question:

What do you think they wanted done with her remains, should D. Casey find them?


I can't even make a list of possibilities for this question, because I just can't even imagine, other than hiding them better, what other action they might take.
This is just my wild speculation, but I think the clues Casey gave her brother about the place she used to hang out and "close to home" she wanted him to go move Caylee so she wouldn't be found. It would be too obvious if he did it, so he tells the PIs Caylee might be somewhere in that area ~ thinking just that, if they found her, they'd move her for him, and they could be there under the guise of "searching" based on what Kiomarie told LE. MOO

[happygert]

That's exactly what I'm thinking they were up to, therefore the shovel, and then come out and say "she isn't there". MOO

Yep and she may never have been found ever...Thank GOD DC didnt find her...

[True2Blues]

What a revolting development.

Casey had to continuously steal money before she murdered Caylee.

Casey murders Caylee & people from all over the country send Casey free money for her commissary account.

Sickening.

I hadn't thought of it that way. You're right, it is revolting.

[bchand]

<<snipped>>

Next question:

What do you think they wanted done with her remains, should D. Casey find them?


I can't even make a list of possibilities for this question, because I just can't even imagine, other than hiding them better, what other action they might take.

Move the remains, videotape the area, put the remains back.

When the remains are found, Jose can say AHA, we have video of that area and there was no body there so Casey has to be innocent. (Since she was in jail and couldn't move the body.)

[Anakerie]

That is the consensus so far.
Do you get the same impression that I have? That the Anthony's and Baez & Co. have definite credibility issues?

[Dells]

Having Mr. Kronk give that press statement with his "lawyer in tow" doesn't bother me that much. Especially given the way the Anthony's and Baez's fingers keep pointing every direction except in Casey's direction. I think I'd probably have a lawyer in tow as well.

Doesn't bother me either. It seems like anyone that is involved w/Casey and that case has needed a lawyer.

[happygert]

ITA. The A's became very protective of Caylee after she went missing.

IMo they became very protective of Casey..

[Neffy]

This is just my wild speculation, but I think the clues Casey gave her brother about the place she used to hang out and "close to home" she wanted him to go move Caylee so she wouldn't be found. It would be too obvious if he did it, so he tells the PIs Caylee might be somewhere in that area ~ thinking just that, if they found her, they'd move her for him, and they could be there under the guise of "searching" based on what Kiomarie told LE. MOO

Boy I have to agree to all of that.

[Adalena935]

This is just my wild speculation, but I think the clues Casey gave her brother about the place she used to hang out and "close to home" she wanted him to go move Caylee so she wouldn't be found. It would be too obvious if he did it, so he tells the PIs Caylee might be somewhere in that area ~ thinking just that, if they found her, they'd move her for him, and they could be there under the guise of "searching" based on what Kiomarie told LE. MOO

Only thing is, they all knew the foliage grew up fast. Cindy told it to Greta on one of her shows. Surely Lee and Casey would know about it also. Isn't that the reason she gave for borrowing the neighbor's shovel?

I think they could have known the body would be hard to move due to the foliage growing up around it and thru it. Anyway, if the body haden't been found in the amt of time, why would she or Lee would think it needed to be moved? Going to a body dump site is risky business for a murder case.

It's hard if not impossible to know what their clues meant. I think they told her they could defend her by going to the area, videoing it to prove the body wasn't there at the time the video was made. For her defense. Even now, they could say see the body wasn't there at that time, so someone else must've dumped it

[happygert]

What a revolting development.

Casey had to continuously steal money before she murdered Caylee.

Casey murders Caylee & people from all over the country send Casey free money for her commissary account.

Sickening.


Yes LandShark very sickening indeed... I'd like to know whos sending the money...I still want to know if GA or CA has sent any money to her lately...

[True2Blues]

Do you get the same impression that I have? That the Anthony's and Baez & Co. have definite credibility issues?

You put it so nicely.:biggrin: I don't believe a thing that comes out of any of them, unless/until it's confirmed by another, reliable, source.

[happygert]

lol.

I said someone with inside information. :wink:

Yes`ITA.....

[openminded]

I sure don't.

I think whoever was on the other end of that call was telling Dominic what to look for.

If the Anthonys were involved (one or more of them) then I can certainly see why they want immunity before they tell LE what Casey presumably told them. What a mess this case is.

[gaelicpeas]

Okay, so it seems most of us feel it had to be Baez or one of the A's who instructed Dominic where to look for a dead Caylee.

The way I see it, no one on Teams Casey or Anthony would benefit from a dead body being discovered, especially as they all rode the Caylee's Alive train around Orlando and other locations.

Next question:

What do you think they wanted done with her remains, should D. Casey find them?


I can't even make a list of possibilities for this question, because I just can't even imagine, other than hiding them better, what other action they might take.

Hiding them better, much further away, seems a logical answer to me. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

But here's the problem with that. Baez and the A's were steadfastly insisting Caylee was alive.

So why was anyone associated with Casey's defense team or the Anthonys searching for a dead Caylee? Even if they found no remains, how would they even explain their search for a dead child, since all of them were insisting she was alive? Baez was doing it to further his defense strategy for Casey, and the A's were doing it for God only knows what reason.


Who all viewed the video after the search? TIA

[~layla~]

Their release to the public the interviews doesn't seem silent to me. here's their crimes against children's web site. You may be able to find info there, ask them about the laws regarding missing children or ask them any question you might have. I read somewhere on FBI web site that if a young child under a certain age is missing they get involved and it's the law. The boards have discussed this issue before. Probably some links in the links threads about it.

http://www.fbi.gov/hq/cid/cac/kidnap.htm
BUT Adalena... your answer states the same thing I said.
This wasnt a missing or kidnapped child. She was a deceased child, a homocide. It was thought she was dead long before she was found.

Again, the FBI was only vocal at the beginning as far as I can tell.

Anyone else elaborate?

[Anakerie]

How did I miss that , The docs showed she searched many escort sites ,I have only seen the neck breaking and stuff ! Geeez ,why was she searching escort sites unless she was soliciting ?
Looking for make up and style tips? I've wondered about the escort site searches as well. They don't seem to fit with the neck breaking, missing childrens site and the other things on the list....

[sunstar]

Yep and she may never have been found ever...Thank GOD DC didnt find her...

Exactly! And that's why I don't think the meter reader is involved, because he did find Caylee and called LE. MOO

[Neffy]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12643733&posted=1#post12643733

Lenny fans unite.

[Adalena935]

psst Neffy. Do you think they could be like CraigsList postings and the like? I do. Since her pc searches included so many of the escort sites, there are many internet solicitation type sites too. She posted her pics looking for Sugar Daddys from all around. All just guesses on my part.
But the reason I think they were individual, is the fact if it was any site with any traffic, they would have sold them so fast to "red light productions" ... for a nice price.


and to whoever asked... no they did NOT say the contents.. they just said they were bad. (as in a bad light for Casey)

Am I right in guessing that info is from Casey's web site searches in the document dump site? I've always speculated she was up to no good.

[Lavenia]

Nah. I heard he married Lois, adopted Dakota, and the 3 of them moved to Nashville to launch Dakota's singing career ...









Just playin. :biggrinjester:

:laugh: OMG, you had my jaw dropping for a minute!

[bchand]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12643733&posted=1#post12643733

Lenny fans unite.

I wonder who Diane Fanning is?

n/m I clicked on the link and it says Diane Fanning True Crime author

[?noanswer]

Yes LandShark very sickening indeed... I'd like to know whos sending the money...I still want to know if GA or CA has sent any money to her lately...


http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html


"Meanwhile, Casey Anthony continues to benefit from the kindness and money of strangers.

Public records provided by the Orange County Jail showed that she received two $20 deposits just before the end of the year. One was from a Kentucky man. The other came from a benefactor in Melbourne."

JMO

[~layla~]

I haven't really looked into those escort services searches and matched up if that was on laptop or home computer or what the person searching them was on before or after. Has George been ruled out that they weren't HIS searches. I don't trust that guy. Nigerian email scam HMPH. This is just my rambling thought as I said I really never looked into this part of the case.

Now with what you say and the explicit photo's that is a possibility. It sure wasn't a money maker with all of her theft of money in the family and with her friend Amy.
Not to my knowledge has anyone been ruled out of anything in this bizarro case.

I just wondered your take on it.
And no ... no money yet, I think she was getting into it, on the hunt for a mark. She knew she had already killed Caylee ... she needed a way out of Orlando STAT! ... remember to her mom.... "just one more day" ... pfft.

[Anakerie]

Exactly! And that's why I don't think the meter reader is involved, because he did find Caylee and called LE. MOO
I'm with you there.... If Mr. Kronk was any way involved with the Anthony's or with Baez & Co. he wouldn't have called 911 in December, nor would he have made the calls back in August. I think Mr. Kronk is just a normal guy like a lot of us out here. He listened to the news, he saw something suspicious and called about it.. Then when nothing happened about those calls, he went on with his life until he stopped to relieve himself in December.

[Neffy]

I wonder who Diane Fanning is?

n/m I clicked on the link and it says Diane Fanning True Crime author

Isn't she a writer ? Have to google.

[sunstar]

Only thing is, they all knew the foliage grew up fast. Cindy told it to Greta on one of her shows. Surely Lee and Casey would know about it also. Isn't that the reason she gave for borrowing the neighbor's shovel?

I think they could have known the body would be hard to move due to the foliage growing up around it and thru it. Anyway, if the body haden't been found in the amt of time, why would she or Lee would think it needed to be moved? Going to a body dump site is risky business for a murder case.

It's hard if not impossible to know what their clues meant. I think they told her they could defend her by going to the area, videoing it to prove the body wasn't there at the time the video was made. For her defense. Even now, they could say see the body wasn't there at that time, so someone else must've dumped it
I don't know, but the only thing that makes sense to me is the PIs wanted to make sure Caylee's remains weren't there since Tim Miller was supposed to come back and search after the water subsided. MOO

[Neffy]

http://www.dianefanning.com/

Author, Journalist, Speaker

Hmm this the one?

[Adalena935]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18458831/detail.html


"Meanwhile, Casey Anthony continues to benefit from the kindness and money of strangers.

Public records provided by the Orange County Jail showed that she received two $20 deposits just before the end of the year. One was from a Kentucky man. The other came from a benefactor in Melbourne."

JMO

Proving once again that marketing is everything whether the product is any good or not. My husband doesn't follow this case but he read this and said Oh my gosh, people are actually sending her money.

[?noanswer]

It's a possibility, however, it would also mean that the PI's were ready to get very, very dirty with regard to their involvement in the case. Moving a dead child's remains to better hide her from discovery, to further the defense case for the perp, and to further whatever nonsense the child's other family members might be involved in, would certainly put those PI's sideways of the law ... yes?


I would think big time! Could they charge them with aiding & abetting a murder? JMO

[OneUp]

Oh boy. It's finally sunk in after seeing the videos. The A's knew Caylee was dead at the same time as putting on the facade to the public of believing she was alive. So their PI's aren't out there checking on leads for live Caylee, like I had thought... they were out there the whole time attempting to find her body. Disappoints me. :sad:That's a fact mairi, although I have to admit that there isn't any conclusive proof that the Anthony's sent them there...it *could* have been Baez directing them, or even someone else despite the fact that by then DC was officially working for GA and CiA.
There is NO doubt that no one was looking for a live little girl in those places, with those methods. Whoever sent them out was convinced caylee was dead, and they were in the employ of Casey's parents. make of that what you will.
I know that they felt Caylee might be dead at Casey's hands long before then....IMO, they entertained the thought the very day that they went in their own backyard and looked under pavers, etc. Wasn't that about three days after Casey's initial arrest in July?...I guess I ought to look up the actual date in the initial docs.
JMO.

[Adalena935]

http://www.dianefanning.com/

Author, Journalist, Speaker

Hmm this the one?

I believe I saw her on Nancy Grace and she said she had written the book about the pastor's wife.

[happygert]

exactly! And that's why i don't think the meter reader is involved, because he did find caylee and called le. Moo

.... ..ita.......

[~layla~]

How did I miss that , The docs showed she searched many escort sites ,I have only seen the neck breaking and stuff ! Geeez ,why was she searching escort sites unless she was soliciting ?


Everyone has always suspected she was in the prostitution game. I however do not believe that because she was too old. Unless she was on her own, such as an escort and she chose clients to take or decline.
I still dont think she was in it very deep because if she were .. much of this wouldnt have gotten out. Those folks sort of have a way with keeping it out of sight. She was too visible for thugs and pimps. Also if she were with a popular site... like sugardaddies or whatever dot com.... they would have sold her out to entertainment tonight or something of that nature to get their piece of the pie.

I think she was looking for huge money... something to help her get out of Orlando.

[Adalena935]

I don't know, but the only thing that makes sense to me is the PIs wanted to make sure Caylee's remains weren't there since Tim Miller was supposed to come back and search after the water subsided. MOO

I don't know either. All we can do is speculate.

[sunstar]

It's a possibility, however, it would also mean that the PI's were ready to get very, very dirty with regard to their involvement in the case. Moving a dead child's remains to better hide her from discovery, to further the defense case for the perp, and to further whatever nonsense the child's other family members might be involved in, would certainly put those PI's sideways of the law ... yes?

Yes, it sure would, but why would the defense want her remains found especially since Casey hasn't confessed to Caylee's death? They might not have intended to move the body but just use the shovel to move more dirt on top of the bag if they'd found it. MOO

[?noanswer]

Everyone has always suspected she was in the prostitution game. I however do not believe that because she was too old. Unless she was on her own, such as an escort and she chose clients to take or decline.
I still dont think she was in it very deep because if she were .. much of this wouldnt have gotten out. Those folks sort of have a way with keeping it out of sight. She was too visible for thugs and pimps. Also if she were with a popular site... like sugardaddies or whatever dot com.... they would have sold her out to entertainment tonight or something of that nature to get their piece of the pie.

I think she was looking for huge money... something to help her get out of Orlando.

I don't think she was in Prostitution the 31 days that she was gone mainly because I don't know where she would have found the time between TonE, Other guys, Amy, Other girls, cell phone, stealing, shopping, cooking, cleaning, running out of gas, etc. She really was a busy gal! JMO

[happygert]

Pretty goo if they are pornographic...they will not release that. They are probably pics of sex parties, etc. Do we all really think that Casey was just going to parties, drinking beer, wearing a flag, without getting naked? Doubt it...the girl is a pig, and I am sure it is recorded , maybe on the photos

She even took Caylee to the no clothes party.. In Amy's statement to LE. Said Caylee slept right thru it and never woke up...UMM

What Kind of mom would take her child to that? Oh never mind I know....The MOTHER of the YEAR would.. :no:

[Adalena935]

I don't think they were planning on moving the body. I think they were filming a bogus DVD to show the jury so they could say O look, she's not there on this date

[~layla~]

Am I right in guessing that info is from Casey's web site searches in the document dump site? I've always speculated she was up to no good.

yes its in there somewhere..

[Cury-us Coyote]

Time frame of Caylee Anthony death released
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=9654398&nav=menu54_2

[?noanswer]

Well, that certainly puts the whole group in this up to their dam-n necks. It's one thing for the A's to lie and spin out of a misguided sense of loyalty or love for their daughter. It's another thing entirely to know the child's body is out there, and go about actively trying to hide that fact from law enforcement.

Certainly if this is the case, more charges will be coming ... don't you think?

Oh, lets add more confusion to this saga. Perhaps they were double agents - working with LE and the As!!! JMO

[Adalena935]

yes its in there somewhere..

Okay, thank you. There's so much stuff to read and video's to watch.

[happygert]

Well, that certainly puts the whole group in this up to their dam-n necks. It's one thing for the A's to lie and spin out of a misguided sense of loyalty or love for their daughter. It's another thing entirely to know the child's body is out there, and go about actively trying to hide that fact from law enforcement.

Certainly if this is the case, more charges will be coming ... don't you think?

I would hope but then again they are in FL.. The state that seems to be laxed in charging people for lying, destroying evidence, obstuction hindering, covering, RE John Coueys Family..These people need to be charged... JMO..

[bchand]

Time frame of Caylee Anthony death released
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/story.asp?S=9654398&nav=menu54_2

Thanks Cury - that's a new site on me.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sorry, Cury ... I don't understand your question? :confused:

Is it possible the individual on the phone viewed day 1 video then provided more explicit directions for day 2?

[~layla~]

I don't think she was in Prostitution the 31 days that she was gone mainly because I don't know where she would have found the time between TonE, Other guys, Amy, Other girls, cell phone, stealing, shopping, cooking, cleaning, running out of gas, etc. She really was a busy gal! JMO

I said she was looking into it. It was a means to an end... Im pretty much on the side of she wasnt... if you are in that trade with a **** you dont have any "free" time. You are accounted for every hour of every day. Which was why Ive always said she wasnt IN that biz.

I think she researched it and you do know they see clients for an hour right? and $200 an hour? ... yeah the agency gets $100 and you get the rest, tips included.

[SBT123]

Looking for make up and style tips? I've wondered about the escort site searches as well. They don't seem to fit with the neck breaking, missing childrens site and the other things on the list....

Was Ga looking for escort sites , was it GA doing the other searches ? He was at home ,Cindy was at work at the time ?.

[bchand]

Is it possible the individual on the phone viewed day 1 video then provided more explicit directions for day 2?


Could it be that's why the "meet and greet" with the Anthonys was scheduled so that the news crews would be focusing on them and D Casey et al would be free to search the woods?

[happygert]

I don't think they were planning on moving the body. I think they were filming a bogus DVD to show the jury so they could say O look, she's not there on this date

IMO they were going to move it..Hide it.. Just wondering if they gave the body to beaz if he would have to turn it over to LE?? Bet he would not had to tell..because of client attorney privilege, he could have kept her in his office...Does anyone know If he would have to turn the body over?