Sunday Jan. 11 09 .. Caylee Anthony .. Part II

[bchand]

Here I am disagreeing with you. Well... not with what you hear. :)

Casey even enunciates the 'P' sound.

Oh disagree away. lol The current posters are never disagreeable even if they disagree.

I say "home".

:tonguewag:

[Lavenia]

Evening shelbar - I still hear "home".

I hear "homph".

[True2Blues]

Ummm... holy cr... it sure does sound like Casey says 'shes close to hope.'

Plain as day.

Good catch.


On that same link, right after that remark, Casey says to Lee that she spoke to Caylee the day Cindy called the police. Which according to the experts is impossible, since she was dead before then.

[summer4meplz]

Everyone has always suspected she was in the prostitution game. I however do not believe that because she was too old. Unless she was on her own, such as an escort and she chose clients to take or decline.
I still dont think she was in it very deep because if she were .. much of this wouldnt have gotten out. Those folks sort of have a way with keeping it out of sight. She was too visible for thugs and pimps. Also if she were with a popular site... like sugardaddies or whatever dot com.... they would have sold her out to entertainment tonight or something of that nature to get their piece of the pie.

I think she was looking for huge money... something to help her get out of Orlando.

I respectfully disagree that casey was too old to be an escort.....IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks Cury - that's a new site on me.


Seems to be an Indiana site. IIRC, the state's forensic entomologist is also located in Indiana.
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/category.asp?C=3918&nav=menu54_10

[hamebone]

Hi all. Please listen to this short excerpt of a phone call between Lee and casey. Does it sound like casey is saying "she is close to HOPE" and not home?

that would be interesting in light of the info about caylee being between those 2 homes with the names zenaida and gonzales off of hopespring

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

Yes sounds like Hope to me.

[shelbar53]

Their use of the word it's referrs to the skull that was found. At the time they didn't know the identity. news reported trail of bones referred to the fact that bones were perhaps strewn by wildlife.

Hmmm I took her post to mean the reference about mouth taped shut

[bchand]

I hear "homph".

Well, I listened again with my volume UP and it really did sound like hoPe that time.

[bchand]

Seems to be an Indiana site. IIRC, the state's forensic entomologist is also located in Indiana.
http://www.14wfie.com/Global/category.asp?C=3918&nav=menu54_10


Are you getting google alerts for the case?

[VII]

She sure does say ho"P"e. That p is distinct.

yep. Heard a "p".
Wonder why that portion of the tape was clipped?
Did I miss something in that short snippet/print?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Are you getting google alerts for the case?

No, just lucky timing.

[MrsHudson]

Hey Steff, do you remember the remark from lenny when he said he had canceled his reward for finding Caylee because people were going through others peoples backyards? Anyone know the date he canceled it?

Hmmmmm! Interesting!

[jewel6]

On that same link, right after that remark, Casey says to Lee that she spoke to Caylee the day Cindy called the police. Which according to the experts is impossible, since she was dead before then.


Casey doesnt tell the truth! JMO And LE knows now and so does the public! JMO

[happygert]

Did casey just say to cindy in one of jail house conversations Mom were not about cay and she stopped?

What i got from that is she thought cindy was going to ask about Caylee and she was telling her were not going to talk about Caylee

[~layla~]

LE/FBI wouldn't release them. But wherever they came from originally, one or several sources, would certainly be interested in getting them into circulation. Even more than that, internet sleuths far and wide would have found something, somewhere, by now. Imo, of course.

I'm not doubting the FBI, by the way. Just saying it's hugely surprising to me that we haven't seen a much searched-for link to at least a couple dozen of those 1200 pics.

Im of the thought that the pics are self taken and in a file on the home computer(s). Or we would have seen something. I can imagine the offers out there.... dont forget about the GGW guy Joe Francis, if he could find a way to exploit this for money in his pocket, he would be the highest bidder.

[aubrey04]

Is he doing anything regarding this case anymore? I was wondering about him the other day.

I am sorry Lavenia.. I left for awhile. I am not sure about Murt. I really hope he is doing well. :) I don't think he had anything to do with the PI's suspicious behavior though.

:)

[Lavenia]

Hmmm I took her post to mean the reference about mouth taped shut

That would have been correct. :wink:

[shelbar53]

yep. Heard a "p".
Wonder why that portion of the tape was clipped?
Did I miss something in that short snippet/print?

I cant take credit for that find. i was searching the net about the case and came across that. someone clipped that part of the long interview just to hear what she said.

i do feel casey was giving lee a clue about where caylee's body was.

i will post the site again

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

what happened to january, the poster not the month?

[Lavenia]

I am sorry Lavenia.. I left for awhile. I am not sure about Murt. I really hope he is doing well. :) I don't think he had anything to do with the PI's suspicious behavior though.

:)

Oh no, I'm sure he didn't! I just thought about how fast his light burnt out on all this mess.

[sunstar]

Oh, wow! Excellent point! Jeez, the more we bang this around, the more likely it seems someone's hands are very dirty.

Geraldo said at the beginning of his show tonight he's going to have videotape of the "same area" where Caylee's remains were found. He's on a commercial break now, maybe after the break or later in the show. We'll see! :)

[Neffy]

Originally Posted by Lavenia #351
This report has some interesting ways of reporting the finding of Cylee's remains. "Trail of bones" and "its mouth was taped shut".

They didn't know who's bones it was at the time that report was made. I just replied to it as best I could.

Or did they? :)

[shelbar53]

Did casey just say to cindy in one of jail house conversations Mom were not about cay and she stopped?

did she say what? I dont understand your question

[sunstar]

I am sorry Lavenia.. I left for awhile. I am not sure about Murt. I really hope he is doing well. :) I don't think he had anything to do with the PI's suspicious behavior though.

:)

He seemed like someone who would've reported anything like that to LE, not the defense investigators. MOO

[Neffy]

Geraldo said at the beginning of his show tonight he's going to have videotape of the "same area" where Caylee's remains were found. He's on a commercial break now, maybe after the break or later in the show. We'll see! :)

With all the shrubery taken away? What a goof!

[True2Blues]

Geraldo said at the beginning of his show tonight he's going to have videotape of the "same area" where Caylee's remains were found. He's on a commercial break now, maybe after the break or later in the show. We'll see! :)

Speaking of people I don't believe until a reliable source confirms the statement.....

[bchand]

re the tip about Casey's car being seen near the remains site:


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8225966&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[sunstar]

Geraldo has the "secret crimescene video" on now. Shows searching garbage bags of a nearby abandoned house. :scared:

[jusdafacts]

LandsharkII!!! Just heard you on the radio blog!! WTG
:thumbsup:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/LeviPage/2009/01/12/The-Levi-Page-Show

[Neffy]

What did you mean to point out about the mouth being taped shut? There were various reports about the mouth taped shut both on tv news and on the net.

You know that same day the remains were discovered I'm adamant I heard Sherif Beary say this on the news. No one has heard it and I have yet to find it but I did hear him say duct tape around the mouth.

[Cury-us Coyote]

New portions of tape on Geraldo.
jmo

[bchand]

Or did they? :)


http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/?action=view&current=craig_ferguson_01.jpg

[happygert]

Hi all. Please listen to this short excerpt of a phone call between Lee and casey. Does it sound like casey is saying "she is close to HOPE" and not home?

that would be interesting in light of the info about caylee being between those 2 homes with the names zenaida and gonzales off of hopespring

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

OMG yes it sounds like HOPE to me

[VII]

I cant take credit for that find. i was searching the net about the case and came across that. someone clipped that part of the long interview just to hear what she said.

i do feel casey was giving lee a clue about where caylee's body was.

i will post the site again

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

what happened to january, the poster not the month?


wull ya found it for US :smile:
Thanks, shel ...
I agree she was giving him ~clues~ ...
like the jailhouse visit when he was asking her something about "could it beeeeee somewhere I traveled to recently"?

sorry,don't ~know~ January?

[bchand]

LandsharkII!!! Just heard you on the radio blog!! WTG
:thumbsup:

http://www.blogtalkradio.com/stations/HeadingRight/LeviPage/2009/01/12/The-Levi-Page-Show

How did you recognize his voice?

[sunstar]

Caption of "Geraldo Exclusive" on the screen, with PI Casey picking up blankets and stuff, talking on the cell phone, and video of lots of shrubs and bushes. Geraldo's talking to Brad Conway while video being shown. :sneaky:

[Lavenia]

What did you mean to point out about the mouth being taped shut? There were various reports about the mouth taped shut both on tv news and on the net.

I don't have a photographic memory, but it seems to me most of the reports I've seen said that there was tape across the mouth or tape around the mouth or something a little more...vague, I guess, than saying that the mouth was taped SHUT. I'm quite unsure as to how there would be tape still adhering exactly to her mouth since it is widely reported there is NO soft tissue left of her remains. It's just nit-picky stuff. It was just a little more dramatic than I had ever read before. Same with the bones.

[Neffy]

Gave you all a shout out! :D

I was on the phone for less than two minutes before they took my question.

I missed it dang! What say you?

[jusdafacts]

How did you recognize his voice?

He gave a shout out to InSession posters ....

[Neffy]

I said... "let me give a shout out to the InSession board posters. This is LandShark.'

:thumbsup:

LOL WTG! What was the questions? Answer?

[sunstar]

Video of PI Casey with the probe but no shovel ~ according to Geraldo the shovel was previously misreported. Conway doesn't know who PI Casey is talking to on the phone. This video is timestamped Nov. 16, 2008.

[bchand]

Thanks for that link. So is Miller implying the tip was bogus or what? I heard him on tv saying the tip was followed up on but what does that mean? It means a tip was followed up on.

IIRC Tim implied it was given to the authorities, followed up on, and didn't lead anywhere. (Or it did, and we just don't know it yet.)

[Lavenia]

Or did they? :)

Ack! The voices,the voices! :scared:

[happygert]

New portions of tape on Geraldo.
jmo

UMM someone must have paid a kings ransom for them to show this. IF
This is same area... Her body was not there on NOV 15 and 16 yeah right...OMG GMAFB!! give it up your CLIENTS are up to there EYEBALLS IN THIS!!!!

[shelbar53]

Geraldo has the "secret crimescene video" on now. Shows searching garbage bags of a nearby abandoned house. :scared:


raw video, PI tape
http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

[bchand]

He gave a shout out to InSession posters ....

Ah ty jusdafacts !

[jusdafacts]

FYI - Geraldo is on again, and is showing the PI Tapes - but I'm seeing additional footage that was not on the WFTV link ....

ETA - oops, see this was already posted above ....

[?noanswer]

Geraldo says video belongs to the A family. Brad Conway on show. Anthony's hired Casey to find Caylee. No admission from KC, DC following up on other tips. Area had been searched many times by LE prior to Hoover & Casey being there. Because Hoover tried to profit, do not know what tape means. IF It was exact area where body was found then the body was not there. Hold up on commenting until LE sees it. Conway had not seen before tonight. Thinks LE just got it this week. All kinds of trash in area. Anthony's don't want indiviuals to profit, want to bury GD. JMO

[Pruddennce]

Having Mr. Kronk give that press statement with his "lawyer in tow" doesn't bother me that much. Especially given the way the Anthony's and Baez's fingers keep pointing every direction except in Casey's direction. I think I'd probably have a lawyer in tow as well.

you have a point there Anakerie....everyone that comes within an inch of this case has a lawyer, except the lawyers....still time :)

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v711/Bettychand/?action=view&current=craig_ferguson_01.jpg

OMG he's already in my head don't make me look LOL

[AJandTam]

I cant take credit for that find. i was searching the net about the case and came across that. someone clipped that part of the long interview just to hear what she said.

i do feel casey was giving lee a clue about where caylee's body was.

i will post the site again

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

what happened to january, the poster not the month?

I heard hope. Good find, no matter where you got it. Thanks for sharing. I guess that means that at that point in time, Lee did not know where the body was? So why was she telling him?? What did she want him to do w/it?

[VII]

Gave you all a shout out! :D

I was on the phone for less than two minutes before they took my question.

Care to share
your question and answer?
j/c

[Lavenia]

Oh okay. I see what you're saying and I thank you for that explanation. I just don't know. We'll have to wait until the trial to find out the specifics I suppose.

I don't doubt for one minute the evidence shows that Caylee's mouth had been taped up prior to death by her killer. That's what I think anyway. I believe she used it to help murder her with. IF the reports are true which I believe they most likely are.

I have no doubt that she taped her little mouth shut, too. I'm just wondering how the tape is still in the area of the mouth. (The mechanisms of how it's there.)

[happygert]

Make sure people like HOOVER dont profit... CONWAY it YOUR CLIENTS who are PROFITTING off of CAYLEE MARIE!!! GMAFB this laywer imo is just as BAD as HIS clients are...and Baez and his client..:flamemad:

[bchand]

Okay thanks. I didn't hear him say it didn't lead anywhere. Can't even comprehend all the work involved in an investigation. My hat's off to LE for all their hard work and to the DA putting cases together. What dedicated men and women they are.

I completely agree and am putting all my faith and confidence in them. I cannot get involved in any of the shenanigans from the PIs, Geraldo, etc.


eta: You're right about what Tim said - “Everybody knows about that tip,” Miller said. “And who needs to know about that tip does know about that tip. Things were followed up on that tip."

[happygert]

I have no doubt that she taped her little mouth shut, too. I'm just wondering how the tape is still in the area of the mouth. (The mechanisms of how it's there.)

The tape was still there....

[Neffy]

I asked why Jessica D`Onofrio is the only one reporting the Anthony family won't be facing any charges.

Diane Fanning said Jessica most likely has an inside source that no one else has.

I believe her. :)

:cursing: Well can't say that's what I wanted to hear but it is what it is.

[sunstar]

Geraldo says video belongs to the A family. Brad Conway on show. Anthony's hired Casey to find Caylee. No admission from KC, DC following up on other tips. Area had been searched many times by LE prior to Hoover & Casey being there. Because Hoover tried to profit, do not know what tape means. IF It was exact area where body was found then the body was not there. Hold up on commenting until LE sees it. Conway had not seen before tonight. Thinks LE just got it this week. All kinds of trash in area. Anthony's don't want indiviuals to profit, want to bury GD. JMO

Thanks for typing that up ~ I was watching the video and trying to remember everything Conway said. :)


Have a good night everybody! :seeya:

[jewel6]

What's with Geraldo's apparent agenda to assist Baez in Casey's defense?



moo

I saw jose on geraldos boat months ago. i figured then that something was up! jmo

[Anakerie]

I said... "let me give a shout out to the InSession board posters. This is LandShark."

:thumbsup:
LOL! I wish I'd been listening now!

Did they give you a good answer to your question?

[True2Blues]

Make sure people like HOOVER dont profit... CONWAY it YOUR CLIENTS who are PROFITTING off of CAYLEE MARIE!!! GMAFB this laywer imo is just as BAD as HIS clients are...and Baez and his client..:flamemad:


I think Conway is a lot like his clients and I agree with what you say. The A's don't want anyone else making money off of that poor child.

[Lavenia]

The tape was still there....

I know Happy, but, not to be morbid, but on what? There was no soft tissue left. I have no doubt that it was "somewhere". I don't think they're lying, I just can't figure out what this must "look like" for lack of a better phrase.

[?noanswer]

Thanks for typing that up ~ I was watching the video and trying to remember everything Conway said. :)


Have a good night everybody! :seeya:

Your Welcome. Correct or add anything that you wish. I'm not very good at typing and listening at same time! JMO

[happygert]

I know Happy, but, not to be morbid, but on what? There was no soft tissue left. I have no doubt that it was "somewhere". I don't think they're lying, I just can't figure out what this must "look like" for lack of a better phrase.

Check your Pm's please...Just dont be surprise when it comes out in trial..

[shelbar53]

Video of PI Casey with the probe but no shovel ~ according to Geraldo the shovel was previously misreported. Conway doesn't know who PI Casey is talking to on the phone. This video is timestamped Nov. 16, 2008.

looks like a shovel to me

http://www.wftv.com/video/18458335/index.html

[newsjunkie]

I don't have a photographic memory, but it seems to me most of the reports I've seen said that there was tape across the mouth or tape around the mouth or something a little more...vague, I guess, than saying that the mouth was taped SHUT. I'm quite unsure as to how there would be tape still adhering exactly to her mouth since it is widely reported there is NO soft tissue left of her remains. It's just nit-picky stuff. It was just a little more dramatic than I had ever read before. Same with the bones.


I also heard in the last few days there was hair stuck to the tape...no link sorry.

[joolz]

ITA. I'm really struggling to understand the motivation(s) behind this whole PI-searching-for-a-body business. :huh:

As much as I'd like to come up with a logical explanation, I just can't figure it out. I can't believe they would risk something like re-hiding the body - we're talking about serious criminal charges, and for what? To be in the good graces of the Anthonys?

What am I missing? :shrug:

[Anakerie]

Make sure people like HOOVER dont profit... CONWAY it YOUR CLIENTS who are PROFITTING off of CAYLEE MARIE!!! GMAFB this laywer imo is just as BAD as HIS clients are...and Baez and his client..:flamemad:
I wonder how much Fox/Geraldo paid the Anthony's to show that video... :thumbdown:

[?noanswer]

Diane Fanning gave me a believable answer.

I called to ask the same question the caller before me did (before I realized that, I was already waiting to ask my question).

So I changed my question to 'why is Jessica D`Onofrio the only one reporting the Anthony family won't be facing charges?'

You've probably already read the question & answer in a post above. :)

Was there any "Late Breaking News" or "bombshells" that we haven't heard before? JMO

[Lavenia]

I also heard in the last few days there was hair stuck to the tape...no link sorry.

Yes, I heard the same thing and was wondering if it was entanglement in the hair that caused it to stay, but would the hair have been on her head at that point? I don't think so.

[bchand]

As much as I'd like to come up with a logical explanation, I just can't figure it out. I can't believe they would risk something like re-hiding the body - we're talking about serious criminal charges, and for what? To be in the good graces of the Anthonys?

What am I missing? :shrug:


I don't know either but it sure is being proven true that ANYONE who gets involved with the Anthonys gets dirt on them.


(or DO they neffy?)

[Anakerie]

Diane Fanning gave me a believable answer.

I called to ask the same question the caller before me did (before I realized that, I was already waiting to ask my question).

So I changed my question to 'why is Jessica D`Onofrio the only one reporting the Anthony family won't be facing charges?'

You've probably already read the question & answer in a post above. :)
lol, Yep, I did, Sharkie... Good job!

[nc1948]

What if it comes back he was talking with JB? :blink:

I vote it was the ever elusive unseen Todd Black.

[gaelicpeas]

Hi all. Please listen to this short excerpt of a phone call between Lee and casey. Does it sound like casey is saying "she is close to HOPE" and not home?

that would be interesting in light of the info about caylee being between those 2 homes with the names zenaida and gonzales off of hopespring

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file

Sounds like hope to me... interesting....

[MrsHudson]

But here's the problem with that. Baez and the A's were steadfastly insisting Caylee was alive.

So why was anyone associated with Casey's defense team or the Anthonys searching for a dead Caylee? .


The reward?

[?noanswer]

Nah.

Diane Fanning was pretty much giving her take on the case.

She did say she doesn't think Roy Kronk's past will mean anything to the jury in this case. Paraphrased.

I don't think so either, unless something else develops. With this saga, anything is possible. JMO

[mosey?]

Just using your post as a jumping off point, Adalena.

I have a hard time with this explanation every time I read it or consider it. See, I don't view Casey as some starry-eyed ingenue who wanted more than anything else to be married, 2.5 kids, white picket fence, etc. The paper she doodled on that had variations of "Casey Lazarro" on it notwithstanding, I just don't see Casey as a Susan Smith type character, just wanting her own man to settle down with.

That's why I don't put as much importance on Tony L's statement about preferring boys as being the primary catalyst for Caylee's murder.

It doesn't really matter what the catalyst was, obviously, but I just don't see the Tony L. remark as being all that critically important. I think it was a combination of things that were building up in Casey, and then a dose of rage lit the fuse.
Hey Say!
Your posts are almost poetry. I do enjoy them.
I dont see Casey as a starry eyed injenue either, but I do see her as a lost soul desperate to get out from under Cindys thumb (or is George the thumb?) Trying to convince Jesse that he was the father is indicative of this. SHE knew who the father was, IMO. She was just out looking for a free bed. And the current free bed wasnt very child-friendly

[Motomom]

OMG yes it sounds like HOPE to me

Is that what they call a freudan slip??

Sounds like hope to me too.

[Neffy]

I know Happy, but, not to be morbid, but on what? There was no soft tissue left. I have no doubt that it was "somewhere". I don't think they're lying, I just can't figure out what this must "look like" for lack of a better phrase.

Although I can't tell you what was there when I heard it I pictured in my minds eye that the duct tape was still in the circle fashion as wrap around and stuck together end to end with attaching hair.

[ruth66]

As much as I'd like to come up with a logical explanation, I just can't figure it out. I can't believe they would risk something like re-hiding the body - we're talking about serious criminal charges, and for what? To be in the good graces of the Anthonys?

What am I missing? :shrug:


you are missing $$$$. That is what it is all about. IMO Baez had some money hanging off a fishing rod dangling it in front of them. Of course it was an "IOU" of course...


JMO

[Lavenia]

It's physics. Skull is hard object, flesh decomposes.

If the tape was around the head & stuck to the child's long hair maybe the hair is what helped hold the tape on the head.

Was a murder case on tv several times. Young woman not found in woods for many years. amazing her hair was still intact and braided just like the day she was murdered. You wonder how that hair can stay intact all that time with wildlife totally ravaging the body, but it did. They showed it. If duct tape was around hair it would be there after many yrs I think.

Okay, I started to write out some questions because I'm curious but I don't want to upset some posters with my morbid curiosity, so I guess I'll wait 'till trial for my answers.

[happygert]

I wonder how much Fox/Geraldo paid the Anthony's to show that video... :thumbdown:

Im sure it was probably a kings ransom isn't that his exact words from last night? the reason they couldn't show it..

[OneUp]

I know Happy, but, not to be morbid, but on what? There was no soft tissue left. I have no doubt that it was "somewhere". I don't think they're lying, I just can't figure out what this must "look like" for lack of a better phrase.I've conmsidered that there may have been a bag taped over the head...and that the bag is what is taped in the area of her head. I don't like coming out and talking about it, but it is what it is. The tape was there IMO...whether or not I am comfortable thinking about it.
Otherwise, it could have been a band encircling the entire head.
I can't go as far as thinking of the entire head being encased in tape, that borders on Sadomasochistic, and def. has a whole extra level of horror...if that's possible.
Poor baby!
BTW, I'm not putting too much creedence in the reports from D'Onofrio, even if backed by Fanning thinking she has an inside source, I'm sure Jessica DOES have a source. No matter WHo the source is, I doubt it is the top officers in LE/Or the SA office as they would prob. tend to be more discreet to have attained their status. The "source" may think it and may still be wrong. PLUS, the local LE doesn't necessarily know what the FBI has up its sleeve.
If the Anthony's aren't charged, good for them. Maybe not so good for "doing the right thing" and for truth, but it is a break for them and hopefully they'll be glad of it.
JMO.
JMO.

[mosey?]

he was on Geraldo's BOAT??? wow.........ty i didn't know that. :cursing:


i hate FOX.
Sharkie should have emerged from the dark waters and bitten their bums. :biggrin:

[?noanswer]

Although I can't tell you what was there when I heard it I pictured in my minds eye that the duct tape was still in the circle fashion as wrap around and stuck together end to end with attaching hair.

If it was stuck together on both ends on the hair and below the larger part of the head, it probably would stay there. Especially if there was more than one piece. JMO

[Lavenia]

I respectfully disagree that casey was too old to be an escort.....IMO

Ohhh, I do, too! There are a lot of down right heifers out there!

[Motomom]

I don't have a photographic memory, but it seems to me most of the reports I've seen said that there was tape across the mouth or tape around the mouth or something a little more...vague, I guess, than saying that the mouth was taped SHUT. I'm quite unsure as to how there would be tape still adhering exactly to her mouth since it is widely reported there is NO soft tissue left of her remains. It's just nit-picky stuff. It was just a little more dramatic than I had ever read before. Same with the bones.

well something I been thinking on. how as there there hair attached? Or was it not attached? Hair doesn't grow out of bone, there wasn't any "skin" left right? However it's been reported, I've always been led to believe that the hair was with the skull.. so was it attached by the tape. As for the tape being stuck to the skull of course it couldn't have been, but it would have stayed across the mouth IMO

[Pruddennce]

On that same link, right after that remark, Casey says to Lee that she spoke to Caylee the day Cindy called the police. Which according to the experts is impossible, since she was dead before then.

more than impossible...the phone logs indicate she had no incoming call in or around the time she claimed she got the 'private cell #' call.

best regards,
Pru

[steffaroob4]

Fox35 live had Holly B. with Brad Conway.

Hoover was in contact with A's in last two days, they will not reveal right now what he said.

There is more to come, later this week on Hoover, per Conway.

Conway firm on they own tape, even thoough DC stated last week Hoover not an employee of D&A investigations.

Holly says she has seen DC pics and they are much better than video.

[Calla]

Who caught this "close to hope" thing??

I am trying to listen to other links to that to see if it was audio quality but I don't think it is.

It goes along with the 'would zanieda be in a place where other friends of yours would be" ( or something like that ) and she says "I would say that would be right on the money"

Unbelievable!

[bchand]

How old was the girl that took the Governor of New York down?

22. http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20183779,00.html

[OneUp]

Yes, I heard the same thing and was wondering if it was entanglement in the hair that caused it to stay, but would the hair have been on her head at that point? I don't think so.Um, there wouldn't have been a scalp for it t be held to, would there? Maybe if the hair was matted though...it might hold a bit of shape then.
JMO.

[Calla]

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/us_and_americas/article3548864.ece

Ashley Alexandra Dupré 22 years old.

Umm she went to school with my daughter..lol but they went different paths:laugh:

[jusdafacts]

Nah.

Diane Fanning was pretty much giving her take on the case.

She did say she doesn't think Roy Kronk's past will mean anything to the jury in this case. Paraphrased.

She also referenced the Chandra Levy case regarding the fact that Chandra was not found for a very long time even though the area where she was eventually found was searched numerous times by many people .... much like Caylee ....:sad:

[Neffy]

Okay, I started to write out some questions because I'm curious but I don't want to upset some posters with my morbid curiosity, so I guess I'll wait 'till trial for my answers.


Understood but it is part of the case. Can't discuss this going around the elephant in the room forever.

[MrsHudson]

A hell of a lot more then for the 31 days that they did not see her. a couple of phone calls to Casey...a couple of lies....they never said were are you....freeze....I am coming to get you and my grandaughter till 1 month later?????

I have such distain for Cindy...you have no idea. She is in this up to her neck. Maybe not from the beginning, but she is a world class manipulator that had to have things her way or the highway. She created this monster.....and sooner or later, when you create a monster, villagers show up with pitchforks and torches.

Monster, village, torches? Wow love that last line! You're good!:thumbsup:

[hamebone]

Just using your post as a jumping off point, Adalena.

I have a hard time with this explanation every time I read it or consider it. See, I don't view Casey as some starry-eyed ingenue who wanted more than anything else to be married, 2.5 kids, white picket fence, etc. The paper she doodled on that had variations of "Casey Lazarro" on it notwithstanding, I just don't see Casey as a Susan Smith type character, just wanting her own man to settle down with.

That's why I don't put as much importance on Tony L's statement about preferring boys as being the primary catalyst for Caylee's murder.

It doesn't really matter what the catalyst was, obviously, but I just don't see the Tony L. remark as being all that critically important. I think it was a combination of things that were building up in Casey, and then a dose of rage lit the fuse.

ITA, I dont think she killed Caylee to be with TonE.

She had many lovers, she killed to rid herself of Caylee and in doing so rid herself of Cindy also.

Sad that Cindy will sell her soul to protect Casey; when given a chance Casey might have killed CA & GA also. I bet she has murdered them a hundred times in her mind.

[VII]

With all of the evidence LE and Pros has amassed, it would/WILL take a pretty creative defense attorney to combat the evidence.
I just haven't seen any evidence that Baez has a creative bone in his bloated body......
LKB?
Didn't watch the PS trial but from what posters have said
HA!

But then again, she CAN roll over and ask hub some questions to present :rolleyes:

[newsjunkie]

Hey Say!
Your posts are almost poetry. I do enjoy them.
I dont see Casey as a starry eyed injenue either, but I do see her as a lost soul desperate to get out from under Cindys thumb (or is George the thumb?) Trying to convince Jesse that he was the father is indicative of this. SHE knew who the father was, IMO. She was just out looking for a free bed. And the current free bed wasnt very child-friendly



My take is that she was jealous of Caylee and wanted to hurt her mother.

[Lavenia]

well something I been thinking on. how as there there hair attached? Or was it not attached? Hair doesn't grow out of bone, there wasn't any "skin" left right? However it's been reported, I've always been led to believe that the hair was with the skull.. so was it attached by the tape. As for the tape being stuck to the skull of course it couldn't have been, but it would have stayed across the mouth IMO

Okay, you said what I was going to say but was afraid people would get squeamish. The hair would no long have been on her scalp if her remains were skeletal. But I still don't see how the tape would be on her mouth after her tissue degraded, unless the tape *re-adhered* to the bone due to still having adhesive since duct tape is so wont to do.

[bchand]

Monster, village, torches? Wow love that last line! You're good!:thumbsup:

Me too and I always equate Mac's "villagers with torches" to the protesters.

[Motomom]

I know Happy, but, not to be morbid, but on what? There was no soft tissue left. I have no doubt that it was "somewhere". I don't think they're lying, I just can't figure out what this must "look like" for lack of a better phrase.

I know what your asking Lavenia.. but if the tape was all the way around..connected in the back that it wouldn't move as much. If her little body was on it's back, the tissue just decomposes, and the tape would have caved in slowly as the tissue disappeared, eventually laying against the skull.. JMO though.

[happygert]

Is that what they call a freudan slip??

Sounds like hope to me too.

Im guessing some more clues.......

[joolz]

you are missing $$$$. That is what it is all about. IMO Baez had some money hanging off a fishing rod dangling it in front of them. Of course it was an "IOU" of course...


JMO


Where is all this money coming from? I just don't believe that any media companies - publishing or TV, and this is NOT feature film material - would offer enough to cover legal fees, profit for the Anthonys (barf) and paying off all these secondary characters. Of course, I've been wrong before.:laugh:

[summer4meplz]

I vote it was the ever elusive unseen Todd Black.

after hearing conway, I definitely think it's lee.....but we definitely know dominick was NOT talking to a sick daughter....

[Calla]

shelbar53 caught that one.

WOW

I think it is significant even if someone else may not...yep I sure do

[newsjunkie]

Im sure it was probably a kings ransom isn't that his exact words from last night? the reason they couldn't show it..

At the beginning of the show Geraldo mentioned at least twice they didn't pay a nickel for the tape. They had PI Casey and the Anthony's permission to view it.

[Lavenia]

Understood but it is part of the case. Can't discuss this going around the elephant in the room forever.

I thought so, but someone PM'd me that thought it was a little bold, I think, so I refrained. But really, we WILL hear it if we follow this case, IMO.

[OneUp]

It is soooo offensive that it seems every time we hear from Conway or from Camp Anthony at all, we have to hear ... first and foremost ... about how no one outside the family is allowed to profit off Caylee's death. It makes me sick to my stomach that of all the sentiments that could be expressed by these people regarding the loss of the granddaughter, we keep hearing about $$$$$$$$$$$$'s. :angry:I agree! It is unsettling that one of the first things mentioned is always the money.....I don't think anything would be further from my mind right now than the profiteers.
JMO.
ETA: this family seems fixated on money to me...very materialistic! I don't recall hearing concerns about whether or not Caylee was afraid or suffering from them, but there is always talk about protecting the fund, others making money, and the like. Even much of Cindy's focus in the 911 calls and in the interviews is on the economic aspects of the crimes. It disturbs me!

[Calla]

Thank heavens. It's sad but not uncommon. She's a pretty girl after fast money. It's such risky behavior. Remember the murder case of the girl who told her folks she had a part in an off broadway play. In reality she was an exotic dancer.

ANd the beautiful mom who's family had no idea she had a secret life?
I think Casey was interested in that especially if she is the one who did the computer searches....jmo

[Lavenia]

I know what your asking Lavenia.. but if the tape was all the way around..connected in the back that it wouldn't move as much. If her little body was on it's back, the tissue just decomposes, and the tape would have caved in slowly as the tissue disappeared, eventually laying against the skull.. JMO though.

Good answer! I can see this happening!

[happygert]

It is soooo offensive that it seems every time we hear from Conway or from Camp Anthony at all, we have to hear ... first and foremost ... about how no one outside the family is allowed to profit off Caylee's death. It makes me sick to my stomach that of all the sentiments that could be expressed by these people regarding the loss of the granddaughter, we keep hearing about $$$$$$$$$$$$'s. :angry:

Yes it's all about whos going to make money off of Caylee..If other people sell things then it less money for the A's to make because they cant make a deal for higher prices moo

[?noanswer]

I missed it, did he say if he paid the kings ransom?

Oh doncha know, the A's don't want anyone profiting from Caylee. Course GR said he is surprised no one is trying to sell things at Disney and Conway said they were! JMO

[mosey?]

My take is that she was jealous of Caylee and wanted to hurt her mother.I agree two more bricks in the haunted Casey house

[ruth66]

Where is all this money coming from? I just don't believe that any media companies - publishing or TV, and this is NOT feature film material - would offer enough to cover legal fees, profit for the Anthonys (barf) and paying off all these secondary characters. Of course, I've been wrong before.:laugh:


I'm guessing someone is dangling money in front of Baez on the same fishing pole.....Pipe dreams.....jmo

[happygert]

Who caught this "close to hope" thing??

I am trying to listen to other links to that to see if it was audio quality but I don't think it is.

It goes along with the 'would zanieda be in a place where other friends of yours would be" ( or something like that ) and she says "I would say that would be right on the money"

Unbelievable!

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file


try this one see if it's the same

[Motomom]

Okay, I started to write out some questions because I'm curious but I don't want to upset some posters with my morbid curiosity, so I guess I'll wait 'till trial for my answers.

Morbid curiosity here as well..ask away Lavenia..

[Cury-us Coyote]

I missed it, did he say if he paid the kings ransom?

Better listen again. What I thought I heard was - the person holding the tape for big bucks last night did not actually own the tape. Allegedly tonite Geraldo had permission from the rightful owners to broadcast it publicly. Also a few comments about people benefiting financely were added to those claims.
jmo

ETA - the quality of tape played on Geraldo @ Large was much better and included new previously unseen portions.

[mosey?]

I vote it was the ever elusive unseen Todd Black.LP seems to think it was Joy Wray

[Calla]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file


try this one see if it's the same
THank you . It does sound the same

[OneUp]

WOW

I think it is significant even if someone else may not...yep I sure doThe "close to HOPE..." thing is fascinating. I think many have suspected all along that casey was giving sly little clues, I'll admit I never paid attention one way or the other until now.
She wouldn't be the first criminal so amused by her own "cleverness" that she enjoyed watching her clues go right over everyones heads. So many serial killers also seemed to revel in such head games, and I suppose it is a bit of a risky thrill to them...dancing on the edge of revealing the truth and getting caught.
JMO.

[joolz]

I'm guessing someone is dangling money in front of Baez on the same fishing pole.....Pipe dreams.....jmo

Pipe dreams is right - but what's in the pipe? BTW, I like your tag line.:smile:

[hamebone]

Yep. And I heard, I think it was Friday, and I think it was NG but don't take that to the bank, that there was either plenty or lots of hair. I immediately got a vision of the tape wrapped fully around her head, then the skin decomposes, and the tape slips, but perhaps not far, with the hair stuck to it. Sorry to all for the graphic nature of this post. :sad:

Wouldnt there be some type of soft tissue left underneath the tape. Or her baby teeth adhered to the tape?

[mosey?]

Okay, you said what I was going to say but was afraid people would get squeamish. The hair would no long have been on her scalp if her remains were skeletal. But I still don't see how the tape would be on her mouth after her tissue degraded, unless the tape *re-adhered* to the bone due to still having adhesive since duct tape is so wont to do.It was reported a couple of weeks ago that there was soft tissue still attached to the tape. It might have created a sort of "seal" that somewhat prevented decay and critter damage.
The hair would remain adhered to the tape (critters and bacteria dont like hair) while the rest of the scalp was dragged away

[?noanswer]

With all of the evidence LE and Pros has amassed, it would/WILL take a pretty creative defense attorney to combat the evidence.
I just haven't seen any evidence that Baez has a creative bone in his bloated body......
LKB?
Didn't watch the PS trial but from what posters have said
HA!

But then again, she CAN roll over and ask hub some questions to present :rolleyes:

I can't figure out WHAT JB will use as evidence.

I think LKB will question the forensic people and try to get them confused so the jury can't understand what they are presenting.

IF, big if, JB can lose his ego and try to plea this case, it would save the taxpayers lots of money, but then we would not get the satisfaction of learning all of the evidence.

I am wondering if the defense will show the videos from D. Casey. Unless they have more identifying information on them than we have see, I don't think they can prove they were from the exact crime scene. JMO

[VII]

The "close to HOPE..." thing is fascinating. I think many have suspected all along that casey was giving sly little clues, I'll admit I never paid attention one way or the other until now.
She wouldn't be the first criminal so amused by her own "cleverness" that she enjoyed watching her clues go right over everyones heads. So many serial killers also seemed to revel in such head games, and I suppose it is a bit of a risky thrill to them...dancing on the edge of revealing the truth and getting caught.
JMO.

OR
is that Casey's way of making herself believe she was telling them where Caylee was and they just weren't listening to her = not HER fault :w00t:

[Lavenia]

Morbid curiosity here as well..ask away Lavenia..

We pretty much got it Motomom! I was just going to add (earlier) that she wouldn't have hair on her head (because of the decomposition) holding the tape in place. I think several of you, including you MM, have put my mind at ease as to how she would have tape over her mouth opening when she was found, bless her little heart. :sad:

[?noanswer]

It was reported a couple of weeks ago that there was soft tissue still attached to the tape. It might have created a sort of "seal" that somewhat prevented decay and critter damage.
The hair would remain adhered to the tape (critters and decay dont like hair) while the rest of the scalp was dragged away

The ME said there was no soft tissue. If they can't retrieve any evidence as to the cholorform or other drugs from the bones, then we will never know the COD. JMO

[Lavenia]

It was reported a couple of weeks ago that there was soft tissue still attached to the tape. It might have created a sort of "seal" that somewhat prevented decay and critter damage.
The hair would remain adhered to the tape (critters and bacteria dont like hair) while the rest of the scalp was dragged away

Wouldn't that tissue have been useful to toxicology studies?

[Calla]

The "close to HOPE..." thing is fascinating. I think many have suspected all along that casey was giving sly little clues, I'll admit I never paid attention one way or the other until now.
She wouldn't be the first criminal so amused by her own "cleverness" that she enjoyed watching her clues go right over everyones heads. So many serial killers also seemed to revel in such head games, and I suppose it is a bit of a risky thrill to them...dancing on the edge of revealing the truth and getting caught.
JMO.
You are so right. They do revel in being brighter than you are and playing those slick word games.

I have been re listening to the tape with Lee and trying to catch on to whatever she says..
It's the game that makes it all worth while to them..hide and seek.
I knew she was full of it with her attempts to use intelligent words..like when she said "prior and previous" lol JMO

[OneUp]

OR
is that Casey's way of making herself believe she was telling them where Caylee was and they just weren't listening to her = not HER fault :w00t:I see merit in that as well. I've heard that said before, that "killers" ( generic use) give clues so they can be stopped, and then who is to blame for "failing" to figure it out and stop them...??? why those dopes that didn't figure things out! Not the "killer" for failing to stop or control him/herself.
We all KNOW that Casey isn't long on accepting responsibility!

[VII]

I can't figure out WHAT JB will use as evidence.

I think LKB will question the forensic people and try to get them confused so the jury can't understand what they are presenting.

IF, big if, JB can lose his ego and try to plea this case, it would save the taxpayers lots of money, but then we would not get the satisfaction of learning all of the evidence.

I am wondering if the defense will show the videos from D. Casey. Unless they have more identifying information on them than we have see, I don't think they can prove they were from the exact crime scene. JMO


and, the least he could plea for her would be LWOP
Bring the DP back ON.....
I wonder, though, if Pros is so fed UP with this that they won't even conSIDER a plea so the whole world will know what a horrible person she is.

[Motomom]

Better listen again. What I thought I heard was - the person holding the tape for big bucks last night did not actually own the tape. Allegedly tonite Geraldo had permission from the rightful owners to broadcast it publicly. Also a few comments about people benefiting financely were added to those claims.
jmo

ETA - the quality of tape played on Geraldo @ Large was much better and included new previously unseen portions.


Imo this discussion on other people getting money is just deflection..

[Anakerie]

after hearing conway, I definitely think it's lee.....but we definitely know dominick was NOT talking to a sick daughter....
Does anyone know how old Dominick's "sick" daughter is? I wish I could hear the sound on that video... Might be a few clues there as to who he is really talking to...

[shelbar53]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-casey-anthony-lee-excerpt-mp3,0,6689766.mp3file


try this one see if it's the same

still sounds like hope.
Is everyone aware of the the 2 houses caylee was found inbetween off of hopespring, and the names of the owners? zenida and gonzales?

[Neffy]

Awww, geez, mose! Thank you for the compliment. :blushing: :wub:

I do tend to keep forgetting Casey's desperation to get way from Cindy's grasp (yes, IIRC, George is the thumb :rolleyes:).

You'd think she'd first try to earn a dang living for herself, huh? I guess she really is as lazy as she seems. I also think, despite her strut and her hot body nonsense, that she was sorely lack in the self-esteem required to hit the pavement to job hunt.

Yes leaving Caylee with Cindy would have kept her in the grasp. No waY would I ever believe that was even a thought of Casey's to do. In fact it was quite the opposite. He thought was never to leave her in Cindy's care as far as an adoption type thing.

Cindy would have turned those screws forever on her.

[shelbar53]

Wouldnt there be some type of soft tissue left underneath the tape. Or her baby teeth adhered to the tape?

If her teeth were stuck to the tape that would mean her mouth was open and probably screaming. Now that would be horrible.

[Calla]

Say, I don't think Casey necessarily wanted a white picket fence. I think she wanted away from her Mother. I agree with you that her motive was probably multi-faceted and doesn't matter anyway. Just that prosecution often says jurors want to understand motive even though it's not necessary to prove.

Well she got a fence anyway..I dont know if its white or not

[martha]

I bet casey will say she was telling them were caylee was and they just did not listen. g and c and lee all knew caylee was dead after they smelled the car and they knew casey did something to her. You can tell it in lee iv and also in g iv. cindy knew too she just did not want anyone to know she had a daughter that could do something like that. the whole family had had troubles even before caylee was borrned. jmho I am glad God has caylee now. she is in a better place.I wish casey would have given her to someone. I think anyone on this board would have taken her and loved and taken care of her. Most of us would have given casey money for caylee. if we had it to give. I know casey don;t have any feelings or she could not live with her self after what she has done. She would not have hurt her family the way she has if she had a heart.jmho

[Cury-us Coyote]

It was reported a couple of weeks ago that there was soft tissue still attached to the tape. It might have created a sort of "seal" that somewhat prevented decay and critter damage.
The hair would remain adhered to the tape (critters and bacteria dont like hair) while the rest of the scalp was dragged away

Maybe under the chin and vertically around to the top of the head combined with horizontially around the head.
jmo

[martha]

The tape didn't re-adhere. The body was in a prone position laying down in the hollowed out ground. If duct tape was wrapped around the head as has been reported in news, there would be no gravity to cause it to slip anyplace. It couldn't slip down by gravity if the baby was laying in the hollowed out place in the ground. She was just laying there with the tape on her head. That's what I think.

The duct tape doesn't have to be stuck firmly for investigators to know it was around her mouth at the time of death. If it's there, it's there. Evidence like that can tell them how the baby might have been murdered. It'll tell the jurors. Bet on that. You or so right. the way they found it will tell them where the tape was.jmho

[sammielizabe]

I vote it was the ever elusive unseen Todd Black.

Oh yeah, I hadn't thought of that! Could be him....

[ruth66]

All this talk about the PI tape has me really puzzled. In my mind (because this whole case has been about $$$) I think the PI's were there to find the remains and move them (for a price to be paid by the A's or Baez). I don't believe it was for reward money because conveniently the reward was for a "live CAYLEE" when they knew all along she was not alive (but it looks good to offer it). But if I think back to the beginning of this case, CA was always saying things that seemed odd in front of the media and on camera only to find out later that something was reported and she was only "planting a seed" for the next revelation. That being said, I am thinking that maybe the PI's were sent out to video as proof that "the area was searched and there was not a body". Being that now we are hearing that exact reasoning. Baez and CA were one step ahead of everyone (just in case). I don't believe it was the EXACT area, I think with all the growth in that area, it would be difficult to be 100% certain.

My apologies for the rambling, just thinking out loud...

[mosey?]

Awww, geez, mose! Thank you for the compliment. :blushing: :wub:

I do tend to keep forgetting Casey's desperation to get way from Cindy's grasp (yes, IIRC, George is the thumb :rolleyes:).

You'd think she'd first try to earn a dang living for herself, huh? I guess she really is as lazy as she seems. I also think, despite her strut and her hot body nonsense, that she was sorely lack in the self-esteem required to hit the pavement to job hunt.I know!! what the heck??
I have to remind myself, when comtemplating what I would so in the same situation, that Casey was lying to EVERYONE, saying she already had a job, when she should have been pounding the pavement. She would have actually had to admit to Cindy and Co. that she hadnt been working. False pride. And who was going to watch Caylee while she was job hunting? everyone else was living the real life with jobs already.
Talk about a tangled web, Charlotte!!

[OneUp]

If her teeth were stuck to the tape that would mean her mouth was open and probably screaming. Now that would be horrible.Maybe, but the lips are very soft tissue, and would deteriorate quickly. As mentioned before, if gravity pulled the tape down, it would "land" on the teeth when the tissue was gone.
Regardless, I have no doubt this was horrific, absolutely indescribable.
The things adults suffer at the hands of their fellow man are awful...but the suffering of a child is something that keeps me awake at night. It's no thing to be discussed or taken lightly, but as was said upthread...if we follow this trial, the subject is part and parcel.
JMO.

[shelbar53]

I bet casey will say she was telling them were caylee was and they just did not listen. g and c and lee all knew caylee was dead after they smelled the car and they knew casey did something to her. You can tell it in lee iv and also in g iv. cindy knew too she just did not want anyone to know she had a daughter that could do something like that. the whole family had had troubles even before caylee was borrned. jmho I am glad God has caylee now. she is in a better place.I wish casey would have given her to someone. I think anyone on this board would have taken her and loved and taken care of her. Most of us would have given casey money for caylee. if we had it to give. I know casey don;t have any feelings or she could not live with her self after what she has done. She would not have hurt her family the way she has if she had a heart.jmho


yes I agree the family knew as soon as they smelled the car.

[Motomom]

The ME said there was no soft tissue. If they can't retrieve any evidence as to the cholorform or other drugs from the bones, then we will never know the COD. JMO

I'm not sure how to ask this. I know it is sickening at that, let alone in reference to a small child. I'll try is this way..does the skin shrivel up and dry up? Like a mummy type of thing? Not sure how else to ask it. I can "see" it in my head, but can't find the words.

[Neffy]

That she did. OMG! Your post was great. I was going to say I think she was looking to get away from her Mother and she needed a place to crash. She found that too. :scared:

She's probably adjusted by telling herself she lives in gated community like the upper echlon with private body guards.

[Pruddennce]

Yes leaving Caylee with Cindy would have kept her in the grasp. No waY would I ever believe that was even a thought of Casey's to do. In fact it was quite the opposite. He thought was never to leave her in Cindy's care as far as an adoption type thing.

Cindy would have turned those screws forever on her.

according to a long time neighbor, Casey was angry about that proposition...yes, the neighbor said Cindy offered her 'adoption plan' to Casey.

last video on the page plus a transcript:

http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/09/25/open-thread-for-the-nancy-grace-show/

best regards,
Pru

[Lavenia]

The tape didn't re-adhere. The body was in a prone position laying down in the hollowed out ground. If duct tape was wrapped around the head as has been reported in news, there would be no gravity to cause it to slip anyplace. It couldn't slip down by gravity if the baby was laying in the hollowed out place in the ground. She was just laying there with the tape on her head. That's what I think.

The duct tape doesn't have to be stuck firmly for investigators to know it was around her mouth at the time of death. If it's there, it's there. Evidence like that can tell them how the baby might have been murdered. It'll tell the jurors. Bet on that.

So how did the tape stay if the "skull rolled out of the bag"?

[Calla]

QUOTE=Adalena935;12644112]That she did. OMG! Your post was great. I was going to say I think she was looking to get away from her Mother and she needed a place to crash. She found that too. :scared:[/QUOTE]

:w00t:

That girl is in another world..she said in one interview that she had not had time to write anything down for them because she was so busy..then she says she does nothing but read and has all the time in the world. She is such a witch to do what she did and leading her parents on and on. I would think that everytime they might have come close to facing reality, she hung another little carrot in front of them and they went off on another tangent. She is so cruel. It reminds me of the serial killer (in Fl IIRC) who when asked by his GF why he killed those girls and his answer was because I didn't want to hurt you..:ohmy:

[Neffy]

Better listen again. What I thought I heard was - the person holding the tape for big bucks last night did not actually own the tape. Allegedly tonite Geraldo had permission from the rightful owners to broadcast it publicly. Also a few comments about people benefiting financely were added to those claims.
jmo


ETA - the quality of tape played on Geraldo @ Large was much better and included new previously unseen portions.

:eek: I missed this. What the heck!

[Anakerie]

I'm not sure how to ask this. I know it is sickening at that, let alone in reference to a small child. I'll try is this way..does the skin shrivel up and dry up? Like a mummy type of thing? Not sure how else to ask it. I can "see" it in my head, but can't find the words.
Mummification of remains usually happens either in very cold climates (as in ice/glacier) or in dry arid climates (like deserts, etc.). Florida is neither cold nor dry. It's warm and moist which makes remains decompose faster.

[Neffy]

So how did the tape stay if the "skull rolled out of the bag"?

Rolled with it? :shrug:

[playnice]

She's probably adjusted by telling herself she lives in gated community like the upper echlon with private body guards.

:lol::lol:

[Lavenia]

Well she got a fence anyway..I dont know if its white or not

And a custom built multi-million dollar house!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cury ... does it seem the A's are actually promoting this tape? Or am I nuts? If I'm not, why do you suppose that is?


It does not seem like the A's are attempting to keep the tape from being seen (except the audio and the callers name at this time), according to Conway.
jmo

[Lavenia]

She's probably adjusted by telling herself she lives in gated community like the upper echlon with private body guards.

:laugh::laugh:

[Motomom]

and, the least he could plea for her would be LWOP
Bring the DP back ON.....
I wonder, though, if Pros is so fed UP with this that they won't even conSIDER a plea so the whole world will know what a horrible person she is.

I'd like to see the DP back on the table.. if nothing else than a bargaining tool. Le may have all they need, they may know exactly when,,where, and how. We just aren't going to be privy to that IMO. So they might not need any bargaining tool. I wouldn't mind her getting the dp.. in fact my daughter, who is 10 has been following along with me. She was here when Geraldo was on and she piped up that Casey should get the death penalty, and added something like, not even 3rd degree burns, the death penalty. Amazing what kids come up with and moreso their thought process...unless she has just too much of my blood running through her.

[OneUp]

I bet casey will say she was telling them were caylee was and they just did not listen. g and c and lee all knew caylee was dead after they smelled the car and they knew casey did something to her. You can tell it in lee iv and also in g iv. cindy knew too she just did not want anyone to know she had a daughter that could do something like that. the whole family had had troubles even before caylee was borrned. jmho I am glad God has caylee now. she is in a better place.I wish casey would have given her to someone. I think anyone on this board would have taken her and loved and taken care of her. Most of us would have given casey money for caylee. if we had it to give. I know casey don;t have any feelings or she could not live with her self after what she has done. She would not have hurt her family the way she has if she had a heart.jmho
I know your loving heart would have gladly welcomed Caylee! ...as would many here. I can think of one home in particular that would like to have a third little girl again!
JMO..but who wouldn't want little Caylee? Only a monster could turn a cold eye from her!

[happygert]

still sounds like hope.
Is everyone aware of the the 2 houses caylee was found inbetween off of hopespring, and the names of the owners? zenida and gonzales?

It sure does ......did u get your pm?

[mosey?]

Hypothetical filter: What really gets my goat is here is a poor mother who's child had been kidnapped by someone she considered a friend. This same mother even helped this babysitter in her time of need in the hospital. The cops cant find out where she is, let alone that she even existed in the first place, which means she was a friend under an alias.
While playing in the sunny park this fake friend's sister Sam took her daughter, and physically threw her in the backseat, and gave her a script to read in 30 days.
How horrific! Absolutely earth-shattering!

Yet this same Mother tells her brother that her daughter is "in a better place":ohmy:

[Motomom]

If her teeth were stuck to the tape that would mean her mouth was open and probably screaming. Now that would be horrible.

Not neccesarily, the teeth would be where the lips once were.

[ruth66]

Good night all! I just can't handle all the details, so gruesome and sad. See you tomorrow.

[Neffy]

Not neccesarily, the teeth would be where the lips once were.

I should have expounded on my last "rolled with it" post.

I don't think the term "rolled" was actually a full blown rolled for a long distance. More in the terms of tumbled out. I hope that makes sense.

[Dells]

Forgive me for asking a rather stupid question: How are these videos supposed to help the defense? That's the impression I was getting at first. But I think it trashes the defense. Was it that they're saying the bag wasn't there? If so, they weren't even in the exact same spot, were they?

I don't personally think the tapes help the defense at all. In fact, I think they do just the opposite. I think it has a lot of people wondering why those PI's were out there searching the site. I personally think that Casey told Baez and his team where she dumped Caylee and that they had the PI's out there looking for her.:crying:

[shelbar53]

Hypothetical filter: What really gets my goat is here is a poor mother who's child had been kidnapped by someone she considered a friend. This same mother even helped this babysitter in her time of need in the hospital. The cops cant find out where she is, let alone that she even existed in the first place, which means she was a friend under an alias.
While playing in the sunny park this fake friend's sister Sam took her daughter, and physically threw her in the backseat, and gave her a script to read in 30 days.
How horrific! Absolutely earth-shattering!

Yet this same Mother tells her brother that her daughter is "in a better place":ohmy:

why in the world would they throw casey to the ground to kidnapp caylee, geeze...just dont return her, stupid kidnappers

[Calla]

Hypothetical filter: What really gets my goat is here is a poor mother who's child had been kidnapped by someone she considered a friend. This same mother even helped this babysitter in her time of need in the hospital. The cops cant find out where she is, let alone that she even existed in the first place, which means she was a friend under an alias.
While playing in the sunny park this fake friend's sister Sam took her daughter, and physically threw her in the backseat, and gave her a script to read in 30 days.
How horrific! Absolutely earth-shattering!

Yet this same Mother tells her brother that her daughter is "in a better place":ohmy:

WOW and too bad she lost the phone that has the record of the call made to her the day before 911 was called....I wonder who impersonated that baby on that day?

Wonder why she got off script by having the apartment steps in one story and the park in another? Or was that part of the script?:confused:

[shelbar53]

Good night all! I just can't handle all the details, so gruesome and sad. See you tomorrow.

nite ruth

but not necessary stuck, like if mouth opened and taped directly to teeth, eitherway is horrible

[OneUp]

Good night all! I just can't handle all the details, so gruesome and sad. See you tomorrow.I totally understand ruth! I hope you rest well anyway!

[Lavenia]

Rolled with it? :shrug:

You're right. I went and re-read Adalena's post and missed where she said maybe the tape was wrapped around the head. I thought she was just positing that it was simply laid across the mouth and had not adhered. My mistake.

[Motomom]

Cury ... does it seem the A's are actually promoting this tape? Or am I nuts? If I'm not, why do you suppose that is?

I think they are, if you aren't nuts.. because they believe that that is the area where her body WAS found and if that video shows no body somebody else must have put her there. I guess they aren't realizing that if that was truely the case, the family would be that much more suspicious.. IMO..

It's really uhhh quiet in here tonight?

[need2no]

She's probably adjusted by telling herself she lives in gated community like the upper echlon with private body guards.

and having her meals brought to her. :smile:

[gaelicpeas]

Did I read here that Conway said the A's owned the PI tape? So does that mean they are selling the tape to the media?

[DoubleFelix]

Wouldnt there be some type of soft tissue left underneath the tape. Or her baby teeth adhered to the tape?

I had wondered about teeth being stuck to the tape, too. I also wondered if there might be lip prints left on the tape? I was going to try it but I didn't see my duct tape and am too lazy to look tonight. Maybe tomorrow. Or maybe somebody knows and I can save my lips.

[Motomom]

So how did the tape stay if the "skull rolled out of the bag"?

Conflicting reports on that lavenia IMO. Even if that's the case and her little skull rolled out, wouldn't have been that much force IMO. So the tape would not have moved much.

[Neffy]

Did I read here that Conway said the A's owned the PI tape? So does that mean they are selling the tape to the media?

Couple that with Geraldo saying yesterday that the owner wanted a Kings Ransom to show it and what do you get?

How sickening.

[OneUp]

I had wondered about teeth being stuck to the tape, too. I also wondered if there might be lip prints left on the tape? I was going to try it but I didn't see my duct tape and am too lazy to look tonight. Maybe tomorrow. Or maybe somebody knows and I can save my lips.Oh Lordy Double! Don't go putting tape on your lips! That's bound to hurt!
I wonder if the lips could leave a print from skin cells and oils like a fingerprint?
What does everyone think of that possibility?

[mosey?]

Did I read here that Conway said the A's owned the PI tape? So does that mean they are selling the tape to the media?I'll bet Geraldo payed more than he did for Al Capone's vault for it! No doubt in my mind.

[Dells]

I don't...I think it may be on the phone with JB..MO

I think you are right. I hope that LE can get the phone records to prove that if that is the case.

[Neffy]

What a completely sick situation between those two women.

The epitomy of Love/Hate. Or perhaps the want to be loved but just had hate. I dunno.

[Dells]

No. Does anyone on the defense side tell the truth about anything?

Sometimes it sure doesn't seem like it.:unsure:

[mosey?]

Oh Lordy Double! Don't go putting tape on your lips! That's bound to hurt!
I wonder if the lips could leave a print from skin cells and oils like a fingerprint?
What does everyone think of that possibility?Remember the case when 2 redneck buddies duct taped a dentist to a chair and threw him off the bridge? Even in the water for a while, and the duct tape retained the prints.
We'll hear that Casey's prints were found on the tape soon, IMO. When we do I'm cracking a new bottle of spiced rum. Yo ho ho.

[Lavenia]

Conflicting reports on that lavenia IMO. Even if that's the case and her little skull rolled out, wouldn't have been that much force IMO. So the tape would not have moved much.

I think I have the idea now. It's a gruesome thing to imagine, isn't it?:crying:

[Motomom]

Mummification of remains usually happens either in very cold climates (as in ice/glacier) or in dry arid climates (like deserts, etc.). Florida is neither cold nor dry. It's warm and moist which makes remains decompose faster.

Thank you Anakerie. Would that also happen when an embalmed body decomposes too do you know?

[shelbar53]

casey is stupid. why didnt she firebomb the car and send her parents a letter saying something to the effect. I dont like you guys and im getting rid of the car and taking caylee and moving out of state. ANYTHING, to cover her tracts.

so if I think she is stupid, why do i think she left clues as to where her remains are by saying zenida gonzales {inbetween the 2 homes} and telling lee she is close to hope?

she is to stupid to cover her tracts but smart enough to leave mysterious clues.

im so confused.

[Motomom]

Good night all! I just can't handle all the details, so gruesome and sad. See you tomorrow.

Good night Ruth. I'm sorry if this discussion is too gruesome. Be prepared if you plan on watching the trial, I imagine it will be much worse. Sleep well.

[Cury-us Coyote]

IIRC, last weekend when Brad Conway appeared on Geraldo @ Large, BC was accompanied by a reasonably quiet Luka (LA's attorney). Where has Luka been since?

[Motomom]

Did I read here that Conway said the A's owned the PI tape? So does that mean they are selling the tape to the media?

No Gaelic, Geraldo made it clear that no money was paid for the tape. The Anthonys and PI or maybe it was Hoover, gave permission for the tape to be seen on Geraldo.

[Lavenia]

I'm not sure how to ask this. I know it is sickening at that, let alone in reference to a small child. I'll try is this way..does the skin shrivel up and dry up? Like a mummy type of thing? Not sure how else to ask it. I can "see" it in my head, but can't find the words.

I've been missing posts all over the place tonight! I only saw this one because someone else responded to it. Where Caylee was disposed of, due to the extreme heat and humidity, she would have decomposed quickly. No drying and shriveling of skin. There would have been putrification, rot, and the instant breakdown of tissue with the insects and animals carrying out extreme destruction of their own.

ETA: Imagine the difference in a piece of fruit in your produce section of your fridge as opposed to leaving a piece out for days on a hot, humid day with insects. (Don't know if it's humid where you live, (we almost always have 90-100%) but it wreaks havoc with bacterial processes).

[mosey?]

casey is stupid. why didnt she firebomb the car and send her parents a letter saying something to the effect. I dont like you guys and im getting rid of the car and taking caylee and moving out of state. ANYTHING, to cover her tracts.

so if I think she is stupid, why do i think she left clues as to where her remains are by saying zenida gonzales {inbetween the 2 homes} and telling lee she is close to hope?

she is to stupid to cover her tracts but smart enough to leave mysterious clues.

im so confused.I loved when Lee is talking to Casey about Jesse G and says all cryptic .."and when he, I mean she..." They are both a fry short of a happy meal, in my book.

OK if Casey got the name from the woman looking at apt 210, how is it she dumped her poor daughter between "Zenaida" and "Gonzales"? Coincidence or convienent clue, seeings how she knew her neighbors?

[shelbar53]

Oh Lordy Double! Don't go putting tape on your lips! That's bound to hurt!
I wonder if the lips could leave a print from skin cells and oils like a fingerprint?
What does everyone think of that possibility?

duct tape is very sticky, all they need is one cell from lip tissue. so if the duct tape was across her mouth, im sure at least one cell is there somewhere.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox35 live had Holly B. with Brad Conway.

Hoover was in contact with A's in last two days, they will not reveal right now what he said.

There is more to come, later this week on Hoover, per Conway.

Conway firm on they own tape, even thoough DC stated last week Hoover not an employee of D&A investigations.

Holly says she has seen DC pics and they are much better than video.


Thanks for sharing the update, no link yet.
jmo

[gaelicpeas]

No Gaelic, Geraldo made it clear that no money was paid for the tape. The Anthonys and PI or maybe it was Hoover, gave permission for the tape to be seen on Geraldo.
Ok, 3 or 4 people said yes money was paid. You are saying no money was paid. What exactly did Geraldo say about the money?

[Motomom]

Oh Lordy Double! Don't go putting tape on your lips! That's bound to hurt!
I wonder if the lips could leave a print from skin cells and oils like a fingerprint?
What does everyone think of that possibility?

I think it's possible. I also think it is possible that there was "something" left on the tape. Maybe not enough to test, but something was there IMO.

[Motomom]

I think you are right. I hope that LE can get the phone records to prove that if that is the case.

Those phone records may be the undoing of everything. Just think of the implications if he is on the phone with Baez or the Anthony's.. hmm

[Motomom]

I think I have the idea now. It's a gruesome thing to imagine, isn't it?:crying:

Ahh yes it is.. But I think of Caylee where she is now.. having no parts of the remains left behind, so I kind of desensitize myself I think.

[need2no]

IIRC, last weekend when Brad Conway appeared on Geraldo @ Large, BC was accompanied by a reasonably quiet Luka (LA's attorney). Where has Luka been since?

Yes, he was.

Good question...and we haven't heard anything from or about Lee since he moved by home... (not that I am aware of).

[Anakerie]

Thank you Anakerie. Would that also happen when an embalmed body decomposes too do you know?
I'm not sure... I just remember the mummification stuff because I've watched a lot of the discovery channel shows about the egyptian and peruvian mummys... :shrug:

[nc1948]

Hypothetical filter: What really gets my goat is here is a poor mother who's child had been kidnapped by someone she considered a friend. This same mother even helped this babysitter in her time of need in the hospital. The cops cant find out where she is, let alone that she even existed in the first place, which means she was a friend under an alias.
While playing in the sunny park this fake friend's sister Sam took her daughter, and physically threw her in the backseat, and gave her a script to read in 30 days.
How horrific! Absolutely earth-shattering!

Yet this same Mother tells her brother that her daughter is "in a better place":ohmy:

And the Grandfather says he hopes she is with a loving family.

[Motomom]

IIRC, last weekend when Brad Conway appeared on Geraldo @ Large, BC was accompanied by a reasonably quiet Luka (LA's attorney). Where has Luka been since?

I think these lawyers will find themselves having a conflict of interest with one another eventually.

[Calla]

I loved when Lee is talking to Casey about Jesse G and says all cryptic .."and when he, I mean she..." They are both a fry short of a happy meal, in my book.

OK if Casey got the name from the woman looking at apt 210, how is it she dumped her poor daughter between "Zenaida" and "Gonzales"? Coincidence or convienent clue, seeings how she knew her neighbors?

Interesting. Now I want a happy meal:laugh:

I keep rehashing the jail visits. The only sensible thing said in all of them is when George said "I know your lawyer is out to protect you and your rights, but I hope he is not sacrificing Caylee's rights for yours. I hope he is not thinking about his career and forgetting about Caylee".

I will always believe that George was trying to get her to tell the truth no matter what the cost.

And the smartest thing Cindy said was "Look up so I can look in your eyes, you know I have to" Oh and "Casey everyone is looking for Caylee, are we going to be able to find her?"
Casey never looked up and she never really answered the question ..she glossed over the issue which is what I think she always did in the event of conflict.
I will listen to Lee and Casey some more tomorrow

[steffaroob4]

Thanks for sharing the update, no link yet.
jmo

Rewatched Geraldo video.

There is a retention pond very close to that house, along with a chain link fence near the pond. I have looked at all the crime scene pics and virtual earth, can't figure out where the house is.
I am off to look at some aerial videos.

[Neffy]

Ok, 3 or 4 people said yes money was paid. You are saying no money was paid. What exactly did Geraldo say about the money?

Good grief. Perhaps that may mean a donation was given.

I don't trust any of them. Geraldo made it clear yesterday about the Kings Ransom today nothing paid. I don't think so.

[nc1948]

I think so, yes.

But, but... only because the Anthonys don't want anyone else to profit from the video.

Or something like that.


Right, they think it would be horrible if someone profited from selling items pertaining to their grandchild. YUP!

[mosey?]

I remember the Forensic Files episode about that case.

A guy found one small strip of duct tape on the shore of the river & the tape had (I believe) one fingerprint. That one small strip of duct tape was matched to the duct tape left on the chair with the body. Or it matched the roll of tape from one of the suspects' home or truck. I think I have that about right.

Of course, I agree completely that we will hear that Casey's fingerprint(s) was found on the duct tape.
Exactly. The guy that had to allow himself to be taped to the chair on the bridge to re-enact the crime was scared shirtless.
I dont think Casey's going to walk with even St Jude (Patron Saint of lost causes) enlisted as part of her "dream team"

[VII]

I think it's possible. I also think it is possible that there was "something" left on the tape. Maybe not enough to test, but something was there IMO.


traces of chloroform? :confused:

[tvdinners]

Everyone has always suspected she was in the prostitution game. I however do not believe that because she was too old. Unless she was on her own, such as an escort and she chose clients to take or decline.
I still dont think she was in it very deep because if she were .. much of this wouldnt have gotten out. Those folks sort of have a way with keeping it out of sight. She was too visible for thugs and pimps. Also if she were with a popular site... like sugardaddies or whatever dot com.... they would have sold her out to entertainment tonight or something of that nature to get their piece of the pie.

I think she was looking for huge money... something to help her get out of Orlando.

Do we know if Caylee's life was insured; and if yes, for what amount?

Please excuse if this has already been discussed... i have difficulty keeping up as well as I'd like.


p.s. - layla, from one ZZ Top fan to another - nice sig line.

[Motomom]

I loved when Lee is talking to Casey about Jesse G and says all cryptic .."and when he, I mean she..." They are both a fry short of a happy meal, in my book.

OK if Casey got the name from the woman looking at apt 210, how is it she dumped her poor daughter between "Zenaida" and "Gonzales"? Coincidence or convienent clue, seeings how she knew her neighbors?

I want to say that God works in mysterious places.. I cannot figure it, it seems like right now, there is no other answer for it. how can it be that by luck we have a ZG and then her body is found in the back between these two houses.. it's odd

ETA I did not mean places.. i mean ways.. God works in mysterious ways.

[shelbar53]

Those phone records may be the undoing of everything. Just think of the implications if he is on the phone with Baez or the Anthony's.. hmm

I hope he is on the phone with baez. but i bet in the end, casey will be convicted and the A's and baez will become millionares.

[OneUp]

Remember the case when 2 redneck buddies duct taped a dentist to a chair and threw him off the bridge? Even in the water for a while, and the duct tape retained the prints.
We'll hear that Casey's prints were found on the tape soon, IMO. When we do I'm cracking a new bottle of spiced rum. Yo ho ho.Yes, I recall a few cases where fingerprints remained on tape underwater. I hope that Casey left some behind...more than "some", I hope there are tons. That is the sort of thing that's impossible to explain away!
JMO.

[nc1948]

[/B]

LOL That made me laugh out loud. Ever since these two PI's came on the scene, that's what I've been thinking. My poor befuddled brain just can't take any more twists and turns. I need a vacation. :crying:

Wonder if we could get a group rate on counseling. We are going to need it as I keep hearing (no link) that it could be a year before trial.

[VII]

Those phone records may be the undoing of everything. Just think of the implications if he is on the phone with Baez or the Anthony's.. hmm

and
Don't you suppose that Pros will wait for the cell phone records before they go talking immunity w/any of them :sneaky:

[Motomom]

Ok, 3 or 4 people said yes money was paid. You are saying no money was paid. What exactly did Geraldo say about the money?

I just told you LOL.. In a bit I'm sure it will be on youtube.. or maybe geraldo puts up a transcript. He said NO money was paid.

[mosey?]

Interesting. Now I want a happy meal:laugh:

I keep rehashing the jail visits. The only sensible thing said in all of them is when George said "I know your lawyer is out to protect you and your rights, but I hope he is not sacrificing Caylee's rights for yours. I hope he is not thinking about his career and forgetting about Caylee".

I will always believe that George was trying to get her to tell the truth no matter what the cost.

And the smartest thing Cindy said was "Look up so I can look in your eyes, you know I have to" Oh and "Casey everyone is looking for Caylee, are we going to be able to find her?"
Casey never looked up and she never really answered the question ..she glossed over the issue which is what I think she always did in the event of conflict.
I will listen to Lee and Casey some more tomorrowI liked when Cindy said (something like) "When we find Caylee are you going to be able to get out of here (jail)? Casey said (something like) "I think so"
Gaak!

[mosey?]

I just told you LOL.. In a bit I'm sure it will be on youtube.. or maybe geraldo puts up a transcript. He said NO money was paid.No money? probably got Geraldo's boat, then.

[Dells]

Do you get the same impression that I have? That the Anthony's and Baez & Co. have definite credibility issues?

Yes I do.:unsure:

[Motomom]

traces of chloroform? :confused:

I was thinking skin cells or something like that.. meaning some tissue, just not enough to test? But maybe chloroform.. if nothing else, Case's prints and maybe even Caylee's prints, from trying to get that tape off, that will tell us if she was alive and awake or ever woke up after having that tape on her.

[mosey?]

Yes, I recall a few cases where fingerprints remained on tape underwater. I hope that Casey left some behind...more than "some", I hope there are tons. That is the sort of thing that's impossible to explain away!
JMO.Have we hear anything about surgical gloves (or any gloves, for that matter) in this case?

[Neffy]

I liked when Cindy said (something like) "When we find Caylee are you going to be able to get out of here (jail)? Casey said (something like) "I think so"
Gaak!


How about the line (paraphrased) When we get Caylee back will have the answers.

[OneUp]

I think these lawyers will find themselves having a conflict of interest with one another eventually.Speaking of "conflicts of interest"...I am amazed that there is still only a single lawyer represeneting BOTH of Casey's parents! As they both told stories conflicting with the facts and with each other ( as well as backtracking over their own prior statements!)...wouldn't you think there would be a concern about whose interests are being best represented?...maybe no as there isn't any criminal charge?
Hmmmm......KatPrint!?!
I miss that gal every time she's gone!
I always find a question I'm dying to have answered!

[Calla]

I liked when Cindy said (something like) "When we find Caylee are you going to be able to get out of here (jail)? Casey said (something like) "I think so"
Gaak!

yep

No matter what..Cindy did have a way of asking "did you kill her?"

even if no one wants to think she went there, I, for one, think she did.

And if Casey thought her mom was going to go there again, she would say "mom, mom we can't talk"...

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yes, he was.

Good question...and we haven't heard anything from or about Lee since he moved by home... (not that I am aware of).

IRRC, Luka went unnoticed, if present, at the motions hearings.
jmo

ETA - Ashton replaced by George at hearing also.

[shelbar53]

She's way stupid. And I'm not putting much stock in her "clues."

I think it's more likely she was trying as best she could to "codespeak" the actual location to Lee. If I really fantasize, I can imagine that he convinced lil sis that he wanted to help her dispose of the body in a harder-to-discover place, in order to get info out of her about where she dumped Caylee. Then something, or a lot of things, changed and that didn't happen.

I really don't think she was offering up all these tricky clues just to mess with people. She ain't that bright. Too much work for a princess.


this pic shows where the body was found and the houses with the addresses. aerial view, best one i found so far.


http://i39.tinypic.com/f10egm.jpg

[Neffy]

Speaking of "conflicts of interest"...I am amazed that there is still only a single lawyer represeneting BOTH of Casey's parents! As they both told stories conflicting with the facts and with each other ( as well as backtracking over their own prior statements!)...wouldn't you think there would be a concern about whose interests are being best represented?...maybe no as there isn't any criminal charge?
Hmmmm......KatPrint!?!
I miss that gal every time she's gone!
I always find a question I'm dying to have answered!

Good thought! That is interesting. I'd love to hear the answer myself.

[Motomom]

and
Don't you suppose that Pros will wait for the cell phone records before they go talking immunity w/any of them :sneaky:

:biggrin: wonder how long it takes to get phone records. I imagine not long right? Stay tuned..more to come I'm positive..We'll all be :w00t:when this case is over.. and as to another post.. I don't think it's going to be a longer than a yr.. i think this will come to trial in 09.. me thinks it's wrapping up nicely for the pros..

[Motomom]

No money? probably got Geraldo's boat, then.

No money is what he said.. However.. I'm not so sure I buy that... they are deflecting..blaming others, at the very least, insinuating others are making money, want to make money or are planning on making money off of Caylee..in the end, we may find a copy of a check from geraldo to someone connected to the A's.. you never know..but that is what he is reporting.

[VII]

Speaking of "conflicts of interest"...I am amazed that there is still only a single lawyer represeneting BOTH of Casey's parents! As they both told stories conflicting with the facts and with each other ( as well as backtracking over their own prior statements!)...wouldn't you think there would be a concern about whose interests are being best represented?...maybe no as there isn't any criminal charge?
Hmmmm......KatPrint!?!
I miss that gal every time she's gone!
I always find a question I'm dying to have answered!


I've wondered about that as well, OU.
Perhaps if charges are warranted, they will split up then?
I would think they would need to...
Especially if BOTH are found guilty of obstruction
or worse.

[mosey?]

How about the line (paraphrased) When we get Caylee back will have the answers.Yeah! She will tell us allll about her day!
Caylee will be able to explain why there is no ZFG in the system, and why Z never lived in 210, and how Z can move through the hospital like a stealth bomber. Maybe Caylee will even colaborate the squirrel story, the park accosting, and how Gloria was able to move her whole house.

Caylee will confirm everything! Oh wait, she can't form whole sentences, yet. Well, you'll just have to take MY word for it

[need2no]

IRRC, Luka went unnoticed, if present, at the motions hearings.
jmo

ETA - Ashton replaced by George at hearing also.


I didn't spot him there, or read anything about his presence.


Ashton?

[mosey?]

Speaking of "conflicts of interest"...I am amazed that there is still only a single lawyer represeneting BOTH of Casey's parents! As they both told stories conflicting with the facts and with each other ( as well as backtracking over their own prior statements!)...wouldn't you think there would be a concern about whose interests are being best represented?...maybe no as there isn't any criminal charge?
Hmmmm......KatPrint!?!
I miss that gal every time she's gone!
I always find a question I'm dying to have answered!You should start a "Katprint please answer this..." thread

[Neffy]

yep

No matter what..Cindy did have a way of asking "did you kill her?"

even if no one wants to think she went there, I, for one, think she did.

And if Casey thought her mom was going to go there again, she would say "mom, mom we can't talk"...

Or "I already told Lee".

[Motomom]

Speaking of "conflicts of interest"...I am amazed that there is still only a single lawyer represeneting BOTH of Casey's parents! As they both told stories conflicting with the facts and with each other ( as well as backtracking over their own prior statements!)...wouldn't you think there would be a concern about whose interests are being best represented?...maybe no as there isn't any criminal charge?
Hmmmm......KatPrint!?!
I miss that gal every time she's gone!
I always find a question I'm dying to have answered!

i'm hoping that in the end, it will be George who doesn't need a lawyer. he doesn't lie well at all, plus he testified in front of the GJ and IMO hehas the least to worry about.

[OneUp]

But, but, but ... why? What have they to gain? I can't connect the dots on this one, argh! :cursing:
Maybe the A's ( or the "new" defense team members) are trying to sandbag Baez IF he is the one who sent Dominic Casey on his search?
Maybe it is a case of getting out there themselves as a form of damage control before someone else presents it in a less favorable light...though what could be less favorable, I'm stumped to offer up!
JMO.

[VII]

:biggrin: wonder how long it takes to get phone records. I imagine not long right? Stay tuned..more to come I'm positive..We'll all be :w00t:when this case is over.. and as to another post.. I don't think it's going to be a longer than a yr.. i think this will come to trial in 09.. me thinks it's wrapping up nicely for the pros..

I think it is wrapping up nicely for Pros, too.
Just wondering how LONG the court will/HAS to entertain this motion crap of JB?

[shelbar53]

can insessions get a class action lawsuit aganist the A's and or casey for causing us sleepless nights and anguish. that way any money they make will come to us. BTW what is Erin Brockovich doing these days?

[mosey?]

No money is what he said.. However.. I'm not so sure I buy that... they are deflecting..blaming others, at the very least, insinuating others are making money, want to make money or are planning on making money off of Caylee..in the end, we may find a copy of a check from geraldo to someone connected to the A's.. you never know..but that is what he is reporting.Bartering is the new currency. Check their driveway.

[Neffy]

Yeah! She will tell us allll about her day!
Caylee will be able to explain why there is no ZFG in the system, and why Z never lived in 210, and how Z can move through the hospital like a stealth bomber. Maybe Caylee will even colaborate the squirrel story, the park accosting, and how Gloria was able to move her whole house.

Caylee will confirm everything! Oh wait, she can't form whole sentences, yet. Well, you'll just have to take MY word for it

Well, my thought is Caylee is really saying it all.

[mosey?]

Well, my thought is Caylee is really saying it all.Sadly, Neffy, yes.

[steffaroob4]

Conway said on Fox35 line at 10:30 that DC has already told LE who he was on the phone with and they are not ready to release that to the public, yet.

Why doesn't DC just say where the house is, he was searching?

[Balesha]

I think these lawyers will find themselves having a conflict of interest with one another eventually.

I'd be willing to bet that it's Baez keeping the As away from Casey. I'm sure they have a tonne of questions for her that she doesn't want to answer b/c the responses would only further point to her guilt.

[Lavenia]

I live in the desert. My food grows whiskers long before it starts to rot, lol.

You're lucky! Here, you almost have to hurry to eat it off of your plate, lol.

[nc1948]

Yeah! She will tell us allll about her day!
Caylee will be able to explain why there is no ZFG in the system, and why Z never lived in 210, and how Z can move through the hospital like a stealth bomber. Maybe Caylee will even colaborate the squirrel story, the park accosting, and how Gloria was able to move her whole house.

Caylee will confirm everything! Oh wait, she can't form whole sentences, yet. Well, you'll just have to take MY word for it

Casey does not lie. Didnt Cindy say their PI had verified all her statements. OOPS sorry, Cindy said that.

[Motomom]

But, but, but ... why? What have they to gain? I can't connect the dots on this one, argh! :cursing:

Well.. either the tape is nothing (which I believe) just a bunch of nothing.. or..it proves they were searching??.. or like I said, no body, Casey couldn't have put her there, so casey couldn't have murdered her, cause casey was in jail. SODDI.. not realizing that it would point more to them..or Lee.. one thing has always bothered me about something CA said..when she talked about sneaking out of the house one night..anyone remember that.. So that's where I think they were going with the tape.. see her body wasn't there in November..that's there thinking IMO..

[VII]

i'm hoping that in the end, it will be George who doesn't need a lawyer. he doesn't lie well at all, plus he testified in front of the GJ and IMO hehas the least to worry about.

but
if he LIED to the GJ, he MAY have the MOST to worry about :crying:

[OneUp]

She's way stupid. And I'm not putting much stock in her "clues."

I think it's more likely she was trying as best she could to "codespeak" the actual location to Lee. If I really fantasize, I can imagine that he convinced lil sis that he wanted to help her dispose of the body in a harder-to-discover place, in order to get info out of her about where she dumped Caylee. Then something, or a lot of things, changed and that didn't happen.

I really don't think she was offering up all these tricky clues just to mess with people. She ain't that bright. Too much work for a princess.In agree that Casey is at best average in intelligence...the girl can barely speak decent English! But I can see her whiling away her time in jail coming up with "mysterious" clues in code to baffle the "little people" in her life. Just for kicks and giggles...I KNOW she would love feeling like she was smarter and better than Cindy in particular. Scratch that, I'm SURE...I guess I can't "know".
JMO anyway.

[gaelicpeas]

Good grief. Perhaps that may mean a donation was given.

I don't trust any of them. Geraldo made it clear yesterday about the Kings Ransom today nothing paid. I don't think so.
I agree.... from king's ransom to zero... makes no sense to me.

[mosey?]

can insessions get a class action lawsuit aganist the A's and or casey for causing us sleepless nights and anguish. that way any money they make will come to us. BTW what is Erin Brockovich doing these days?I dont think so. Her forte is protecting poor innocent people from toxic sludge residue.

Oh, wait...!

[MrsHudson]

If the body was double bagged as news has said. If the head was in it's own bag (which has been speculated on in these boards) and duct tape wrapped around the head

Heaven only knows how much duct tape was used. or how the body was disposed of. But I don't have any trouble at all knowing the tape is still on the mouth as has been reported. She was just laying there and the tape was on the head/mouth

Well if the tape was wrapped round and round and layered to itself it would show that the head was wrapped and might even show where it was wrapped.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I didn't spot him there, or read anything about his presence.


Ashton?

The DA who exchanged emails with Baez.
jmo

[gaelicpeas]

I just told you LOL.. In a bit I'm sure it will be on youtube.. or maybe geraldo puts up a transcript. He said NO money was paid.
Ok, thanks (what happened to him saying yesterday the tape's owner demanded a king's ransom?).