Saturday January 10/09 - Evening Part II

[nc1948]

I dont know if I neccessarily think Cindy knew on July 15th that Caylee was dead, but she sure suspected it. If loosing a grandchild from one's life starts the grief proccess, she would have been in denial for a time. In order to deny something, you have to consider it a possibility. She just wasnt facing it and started fighting the media for her own and Casey's sake.

I say her own, because she didn't want the wild media speculation that she could somehow be accountable for Casey's revenge-motivated actions, whether the actions were purposley giving Caylee away or mudering her.
I dont think Cindy (or Casey for that matter) was aware that it would become so big in the media. I also think Casey was planning on shining in the sympathetic attention. She would finally be center of attention, again. No Caylee to compete.

I think Casey thought her story would be believed and she would become the distraught, mourning, Mother of the year, who had lost her child to the big bad kidnapper. She just didn't get her story straight and stick to it. She would have done better to only tell one story, but the left her in the apartment, left her in the stair well, kidnapper at the park and don't forget sold her kind of gave her away.

[Lavenia]

Have not been sent to ban camp yet. So everyone knows I am on here all the time. It really is no secret. Anyway, I see all the same names all the time. We are all in this together, and it looks like trial will be a long way off, so we will be together a long time. So I figured I would give up my secret addiction now and get it over with.

The first step is admitting you have a problem. :wink:

I've got a good excuse. My neurologist is glad I do this because he thinks it's therapeutic for me so I take that endorsement and run with it! Talk about abusing an RX, lol.

[Dells]

I'm not boycotting him, we just never watch him. We don't consider him a legit. news person, he's a gossip show host.

I don't particularly care for his show and I don't watch him very often either.

[MrsHudson]

I dont know if I neccessarily think Cindy knew on July 15th that Caylee was dead, but she sure suspected it. If loosing a grandchild from one's life starts the grief proccess, she would have been in denial for a time. In order to deny something, you have to consider it a possibility. She just wasnt facing it and started fighting the media for her own and Casey's sake.

I say her own, because she didn't want the wild media speculation that she could somehow be accountable for Casey's revenge-motivated actions, whether the actions were purposley giving Caylee away or mudering her.
I dont think Cindy (or Casey for that matter) was aware that it would become so big in the media. I also think Casey was planning on shining in the sympathetic attention. She would finally be center of attention, again. No Caylee to compete.

Interesting points!

[velvetbrown]

Me too, mine's 30 and his wife is 27. (So when does this get creepy?) :lol:

I'm 47 and live 2,000 miles away from my Mom...when we visit, if we watch tv, she's on the couch and I sit on the floor next to her and she plays with my hair just like when I was a little girl...whoever goes to bed first gets tucked in by the other one...

[Neffy]

I think Casey thought her story would be believed and she would become the distraught, mourning, Mother of the year, who had lost her child to the big bad kidnapper. She just didn't get her story straight and stick to it. She would have done better to only tell one story, but the left her in the apartment, left her in the stair well, kidnapper at the park and don't forget sold her kind of gave her away.

Casey has never been pressed for anything. She's either lied or blew up and took off.

She was out of her element with LE.

[grammaw]

No. You didn't. You chose to read back further.

But what you were looking for was right there at the top of page twelve.

Thanks for reading back. :)

Landshark,I have lurked on these boards for at least two years and only recently started posting because of this case.I am really in awe of a lot of your posts,I don't want to get mushy,but you're my kind of people!TY!

[5boxersmom]

Did Geraldo apologize to Mr. Krunk on his show tonight? Did he really have the video from Hoover?

[Lavenia]

I'm 47 and live 2,000 miles away from my Mom...when we visit, if we watch tv, she's on the couch and I sit on the floor next to her and she plays with my hair just like when I was a little girl...whoever goes to bed first gets tucked in by the other one...

I was just kidding about my son, but daughters and moms, yes. I'm the same with my daughter.

I'm not so sure that I buy Casey being that way with Cindy because the resentment factor was through the roof, though.

[norwood]

Very good point!
agree, a very good point.

[MrsHudson]

You might be right......most marriages start like that at the weddings and end in divorce.


Sorry couldn't resist.

Happened to my nephew and his wife. They really smashed that cake all over each others faces. It was not cute at all they looked mad. Got a divorce not two years later.

[gaelicpeas]

I don;t think she was flowery and sweet. I think it was passive aggression. Read it again and maybe you'll see what I mean.
No, I agree.. definitely passive-aggressive.. but in a really weird sickenly sweet way.

[mosey?]

I think Casey thought her story would be believed and she would become the distraught, mourning, Mother of the year, who had lost her child to the big bad kidnapper. She just didn't get her story straight and stick to it. She would have done better to only tell one story, but the left her in the apartment, left her in the stair well, kidnapper at the park and don't forget sold her kind of gave her away.I have thought that Casey had little respect for George by the way she treat LE. Does she really think they are that stupid?
I also think Casey was used to getting away with her make-believe stories and flat-out lies because she was allowed to by her family and friends
As for her "friends" she confused people's politeness or social grace, for general stupidity, IMO

[nc1948]

Casey has never been pressed for anything. She's either lied or blew up and took off.

She was out of her element with LE.

Ain't that the truth. The interview at US where they told her that she was lying was amazing. She just kept on lying. I have said it before, but I wonder how many times as a child, other children took the blame for things she did. She lied about it and Cindy covered for her. This pattern did not just start with the death of Casey. She had lied for 2 years about a job and I cannot see any way Cindy did not know about it. She stole from Lee, Cindy and her grandmother, Cindy knew about it and took care of it. If only once Cindy had let her take responsibility for her stealing/lying, maybe she would have been in jail and Caylee would be alive. NO I do not believe it is Cindys fault Caylee is dead. Casey killed her, but Cindy sure went into save Casey mode as tho it was the normal and natural thing for her to do. Why, because that is what Cindy has always done, protect Casey.

[5boxersmom]

He didn't apologize, for all we know they could have been watching a replay of the crocodile hunter on the TV they were watching..

JMO

LOL ok thanks.

[MrsHudson]

I felt exactly the same way when I witnessed that video, MrsH. There was absolutely no respect in that act of aggression.


Good I am glad others saw what I did.

Well I have to turn in I can hardly keep my eyes open.

Everyone I hope you have a good night!

[Lavenia]

Did Geraldo apologize to Mr. Krunk on his show tonight? Did he really have the video from Hoover?

No, he did not apologize, he only reiterated about how Krunk (Kronk?) was charged for kidnapping in the past (didn't mention the expunging of the record) and said something to the effect of how shady he was. (can't remember if that was the exact word).

The video wasn't shown, but we got to see it being shown to other people because it would have cost a "king's ransom" for the rights to show it on air. :rolleyes: It was a joke. We learned nothing.

[AbbyNormal]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMO
That will be interesting when more information comes out. Who knew what, and when did they know it?

Nothing much about this case would surprise me anymore. It is all so sad. Poor baby never had a chance.

[5boxersmom]

No, he did not apologize, he only reiterated about how Krunk (Kronk?) was charged for kidnapping in the past (didn't mention the expunging of the record) and said something to the effect of how shady he was. (can't remember if that was the exact word).

The video wasn't shown, but we got to see it being shown to other people because it would have cost a "king's ransom" for the rights to show it on air. :rolleyes: It was a joke. We learned nothing.

Thanks. Geraldo is a joke.

jmo

[Dells]

I think the defense has no case and will go after everyone, that is the way Cindy would do it. Baez wanting the TES searchers( can you see him calling hundreds of them to testify where they searched) The MR and his past, the man with video, Wonder if he has checked the background of the man at tow yard. Guess he had no record or Baez would have leaked it already. I think there will be lots of AHA moments at the trial, but I think they will come from the prosecutions side.

<Bolding is mine> I absolutely agree!

[happygert]

does anyone have a link to whos depositing money in casey's account at the jail?? and her orders yesterday they said she was getting money from all over . Just curious if mommy and daddy have put any in there,,

[nc1948]

No, he did not apologize, he only reiterated about how Krunk (Kronk?) was charged for kidnapping in the past (didn't mention the expunging of the record) and said something to the effect of how shady he was. (can't remember if that was the exact word).

The video wasn't shown, but we got to see it being shown to other people because it would have cost a "king's ransom" for the rights to show it on air. :rolleyes: It was a joke. We learned nothing.

Did anyone expect to learn anything from Geraldo? I did not watch it and have not watched it after he made such a fool of himself over finding the mobsters grave. He is a showman, not a reporter.

Remember we have accomplished two things tonight.

We know Casey killed Caylee.
I forgot what the other one was.

Got to go. It is going on 1 am here and need a little sleep so I can stay awake during sermon tomorrow.

Oh gosh, am having withdrawal just thinking about signing off.

Good night all.

[Lavenia]

Thanks. Geraldo is a joke.

jmo

You're being kind. :wink:

[Lavenia]

Did anyone expect to learn anything from Geraldo? I did not watch it and have not watched it after he made such a fool of himself over finding the mobsters grave. He is a showman, not a reporter.

Remember we have accomplished two things tonight.

We know Casey killed Caylee.
I forgot what the other one was.

Got to go. It is going on 1 am here and need a little sleep so I can stay awake during sermon tomorrow.

Oh gosh, am having withdrawal just thinking about signing off.

Good night all.

Good night NC! I'll save your place!

[velvetbrown]

It seems CA and KC have a sibling relationship instead of a mother-daughter relationship...very competitive...and they can hurt one another all they want, but if an outsider picks on one, they team up and fight the outsider...JMO...

[mosey?]

It'll backfire, if he's really ignorant enough to try it. As a juror, I could give a flip about the background of the man who found Caylee's remains.

As a juror, I would be incensed to have my time wasted and my intelligence insulted with any discussion of the meter reader's background.Me too. But that's what Casey gets by finding a 3 year newbie from the recommendation of a jail inmate.:biggrin:

[Lavenia]

does anyone have a link to whos depositing money in casey's account at the jail?? and her orders yesterday they said she was getting money from all over . Just curious if mommy and daddy have put any in there,,

I don't know happy. We used to have a link to the written account but I only heard something on NG about it the other day. I don't know where to find the link for the written account.

[Lavenia]

Nice try. No cigar. :thumbdown:




Good-night, friends. :seeya:

Night friend!

[Neffy]

Nice try. No cigar. :thumbdown:




Good-night, friends. :seeya:

:seeya:

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[5boxersmom]

If Kiomarie felt so strongly about the area wonder why she never searched there? I am sure she said in her statement behind the school so now she sold her story and is trying to make it sound like that is where she told LE. I think it was a different area then from where they hung out.

jmo

[happygert]

When I was watching it was coming from all over the country.....Kentucky, North Carolina.....etc...

I know the Sunshine state has liberal laws.......but not sure that who is putting money into her account is open to the public....

I would think it would be, but at the same time I don't really think it would be.

Confused again LOL

Someone had a copy of it and it showed who was putting money in and how much... think GA all together made 2 deposits at that time one for 50 and think the other was 25..thats the only 2 i seen from ga or ca...dont remember seeing any from lee.

[Neffy]

If Kiomarie felt so strongly about the area wonder why she never searched there? I am sure she said in her statement behind the school so now she sold her story and is trying to make it sound like that is where she told LE. I think it was a different area then from where they hung out.

jmo

Didn't she go to the school area with LE? That was my understanding.


What I want to know is how many searchers come with a shovel and video camera.

[mosey?]

It's exactly why I was talking about it.....

There are several e-mail addresses going to yahoo accounts from Thomas.Franck......

Someone purposed that they were made by Casey.....

Only problem is that the e-mail was sent in the middle of May.....

So she would have had the forethought to delete the accounts because yahoo doesn't delete e-mail accounts until they are inactive for 4 month....

SO THUMBS DOWN TO YOU and I'm right :PNarc, I have read this 3 times and I still don't understand what you're trying to say.

The email from Thomas Franck sent in May was to convince Cindy that she was working that night, in order to go out socially.
Forethought to delete the account? Why? TIA

[5boxersmom]

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_ArrestSup-No13_081208.htm

I asked Kiomarie Torres Cruz if she could provide me with an itemized T-Mobile bill for her July calls. She said she would have to check with her fiance, since the T-Mobile account was in his name and get back to me. She also told me she heard that Casey borrowed the neighbor's shovel and she immediately thought about their "hide-out" that they used to go to in the woods just around the corner from Casey Anthony's parent's house. She agreed to meet me in front of the Hidden Oak Elementary School tonight and take me to their special place in the woods.

At approximately 2131 hours, Kiomarie Torres Cruz met with me in front of the Hidden Oak Elementary School and walked me back into the wooded area behind the school where she showed me where Casey, Jessica and her favorite spots to "hang out" were located. Afterwards, at approximately 2153 hours, Kiomarie Torres Cruz willingly without threat, promise or coercion provided me a recorded statement.

Picture of where MOST people searched: the SCHOOL area ... see the school and there is a gate and a small road (lane) that goes in that area vs. where little Caylee was found.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Google.jpg

TY. I thought that was what she said. It was close but not the area exactly. So where was DC really searching? If he was going by what Kiomarie said was he behind the school or where the remains were found?

hmmmm

jmo

[need2no]

When I was watching it was coming from all over the country.....Kentucky, North Carolina.....etc...

I know the Sunshine state has liberal laws.......but not sure that who is putting money into her account is open to the public....

I would think it would be, but at the same time I don't really think it would be.

Confused again LOL


They provided this info publicly initially, (including copies of the checks)...but I haven't seen any lately.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/women_feel_sorry_for_casey_ant.php

[happygert]

Nice try. No cigar. :thumbdown:




Good-night, friends. :seeya:

Night friend :seeya:

[TxLady2]

I'll go with investigators on this one and say that she acted alone. IMO her parents were duped by their con of a daughter. Annoying, yes! But I don't think they knew.

I agree with you, Balesha.
I watched Geraldo, and I heard him say the Anthonys sent PI Casey there to look for her remains. Well... he didn't find them. So how does that video prove they knew? Geraldo better be careful, he might face a lawsuit for making unproven statements like that.
Regarding Dr. Baden... he might not be a botanist or an entomologist, but he is still highly trained in forensics in general, so I think he would know that you can't pinpoint an exact date of death, because he did say that these bugs mature at different times. It's like the difference in a doctor and a specialist. A specialist goes on and studies in depth in their specialty... but a regular doctor still knows enough about that field that he can make a diagnosis sometimes.
I consider Dr. Baden to be very knowledgable, as is Henry Lee. Sorry if that disturbs anyone, but I don't knock someone just because they speak for the defense.

[5boxersmom]

Didn't she go to the school area with LE? That was my understanding.


What I want to know is how many searchers come with a shovel and video camera.

Yeah no kidding. I would love to know who he was talking to on the phone.

[happygert]

They provided this info publicly initially, (including copies of the checks)...but I haven't seen any lately.

http://www.momlogic.com/2008/11/women_feel_sorry_for_casey_ant.php

Thanks need2no..nice to see ya...Thanks again..

[5boxersmom]

I don't think there's any doubt it's the area hangout. Community members wouldn't lie about a matter that easily verifiable. I saw several verify it was the kid's hangout and had been for some time previous. Fox News, CNN

Yeah but from what I gather the hang out is across the road and behind the school from where the remains were found.

[mosey?]

The emails could have been staged by anyone. I'm just sayin'Oh totally! I wasnt clear in my post, sorry. Thomas Franck came from the same pool as ZFG and her sister Sam. Never existed.

[mosey?]

One of the poster's theories was she created those accounts to send e-mail to.

But Yahoo deletes e-mail after 4 months of inactivity....

if the e-mail was sent in May (if that is verified)....she'd have to have deleted them if she created them....

May....June....July.....August.....September.....

Believe the police were on the case before September.Has it been established that the yahoo email account was deleted from her computer before Sept?

[happygert]

conways remark about Hoover and the search HOOVER has made 3 different statement tried to sell this tape to 3 different networks I think they are going to have to look at whatever hoover says very carefully


GR comment back: I think they are going to have to look at a lot of people in this case the same way!!..:thumbsup:

How many different statements has his clients made Im sure it more then 3...

Dont care much for GR but i did love that comment to conway.. IMO it was directed to his clients :lol:

[mosey?]

Yeah no kidding. I would love to know who he was talking to on the phone.LP said the video showed he was talking to Joy Ray, whose husband, John Ray, works for Baez's office. I dont know in what capacity.

[*Serenity*]

This is worth watching all over again about KC explaining the odor in her car.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmixlqaEsSo&feature=related

[5boxersmom]

LP said the video showed he was talking to Joy Ray, whose husband, John Ray, works for Baez's office. I dont know in what capacity.

Oh I missed that one. So when Joy Wray showed up at the Crime Scene with pics. were those from the video I wonder?

[happygert]

In my state the Sunshine laws means that government meetings be open to the public, such as a City Council Meeting. Florida seems to have gone to far with it, when the privacy of citizens is compromised. Maybe this case will encourage some changes in the Florida Sunshine laws.

Your right there needs to be MAJOR changes in FL laws
1) NO MORE letting people who lie to LE to get by with it

2) if you destroy evidence then your buts charged for destroying evidence period.

3)YOU OBSTRUCT JUCTICE YOUR CHARGED

4)YOU hinder an investagtion your Charged

5)YOU cover for a CHILD MURDER then you should be charged with accessory period no immunity.

6)You cover for Child MOLESTER YOU but goes to slammer to.

All this crap where they keep getting by with this has got to STOP..
I know they can charge them but they dont..IT SHOULD BE MANDATORY period..

[5boxersmom]

This is worth watching all over again about KC explaining the odor in her car.




http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmixlqaEsSo&feature=related

So if she got rid of the remains the 18th why would she tell Amy she got rid of the smell on the 26th? Did she try to clean the car? So confusing. :confused:

[mosey?]

Actually I'm mistaken....not only was it forwarded to police....

the computer forensics results showed it on the computer......

Not sure if it was deleted after being forwarded.....

Talking about the e-mail from May from Thomas Franck.

But pretty sure it's in the summary report of the Computer Forensic Expert.I am wondering if you realize that there was no Thomas Franck found working at Universal. If you disagree that Casey sent them herself, where do you figure they would they have come from?

[*Serenity*]

Breakfast with Caylee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQBKRSWMWhA&NR=1

[5boxersmom]

According to Hoover ... they were close but NOT where Caylee was found.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18436081/index.html

So if they were across the road, which he does not say then I don't see how they could be going by what Kiomarie said.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

Sorry but you are asking me to believe that Casey was a computer hacker....LOL

It's called a spoof....because you can manipulate certain things in the e-mail.....

problem is that even if I spoof an e-mail time and address.....it goes through other servers.......

the other servers records the time stamps, IP address, and such......

You can bounce things from server to server in hopes to hide yourself.....but we are talking about Casey......lets be reasonable.

Do you mean you don't think LE has this info from other servers? I am sure if she did it they have it.

jmo

[Lavenia]

So if she got rid of the remains the 18th why would she tell Amy she got rid of the smell on the 26th? Did she try to clean the car? So confusing. :confused:

And it says Lee was trying to find Casey on July 3rd. What was that?

[*Serenity*]

So if she got rid of the remains the 18th why would she tell Amy she got rid of the smell on the 26th? Did she try to clean the car? So confusing. :confused:


I think she tried to clean the car and it just didn't work.
I have been reading through old/new docs and I read
when Baez team went to inspect the car that the smell
of death was still there. strong

[mosey?]

Oh I missed that one. So when Joy Wray showed up at the Crime Scene with pics. were those from the video I wonder?
Wow! And this is a first for me! Joy Wray (thanks for the right spelling, btw) brought pictures to the crimescene? LOL.
Dropping a dime on D.Casey? It almost sounds like DC was set up by Baez, to keep the negative attention of discovery out of his office, and in the Anthony's. Hinkey

[Lavenia]

Breakfast with Caylee

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQBKRSWMWhA&NR=1

We discussed this one quite a lot. Does anything strike you about this video?

(Hint: The person taking the video never says a WORD to Caylee during the whole thing.) (Okay, that was more than a hint.)

[AbbyNormal]

So if she got rid of the remains the 18th why would she tell Amy she got rid of the smell on the 26th? Did she try to clean the car? So confusing. :confused:I think she told Amy she got rid of the smell in the car the same day she abandoned the car at Amscot parking lot.

[AbbyNormal]

We discussed this one quite a lot. Does anything strike you about this video?

(Hint: The person taking the video never says a WORD to Caylee during the whole thing.) (Okay, that was more than a hint.)I cannot get you tube videos to open. Hubby put a child protector cap on it and I need dd to open it for me! Can you give me a bigger hint what is happening in the video, and who is not talking?

[5boxersmom]

And it says Lee was trying to find Casey on July 3rd. What was that?

It seems to me that I read somewhere that Cindy went to US that day and probably found out Casey didn't work there. That was also the day of the myspace post by Cindy.

jmo

[*Serenity*]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8tTAHDuDiqk&NR=1

[mosey?]

So if she got rid of the remains the 18th why would she tell Amy she got rid of the smell on the 26th? Did she try to clean the car? So confusing. :confused:IMO, She knew she had to bail on the smell in the car, and went into CYA mode. Someone would tow the car, and discover a foul odor. Since the stench wasnt part of the plan, she was just ad libbing as she went.

[rozey]

We discussed this one quite a lot. Does anything strike you about this video?

(Hint: The person taking the video never says a WORD to Caylee during the whole thing.) (Okay, that was more than a hint.)

I have also found that strange. There are a couple others, also assumed to be taken by KC, where she never speaks to Caylee, ie...the dancing and the coloring videos.

[5boxersmom]

I think she tried to clean the car and it just didn't work.
I have been reading through old/new docs and I read
when Baez team went to inspect the car that the smell
of death was still there. strong

Wasn't there Arm and Hammer detergent in her car?

She told Amy this on the 26th. Car abandoned on the 27th. I guess the cleaning didn't work.

jmo

[happygert]

I appreciate your concern over the criminal laws, but I was talking about the Sunshine laws. Sorry for any misunderstanding.

I dont see any changes that need to be in the sunshine laws.. Other laws most definitely.

[*Serenity*]

We discussed this one quite a lot. Does anything strike you about this video?

(Hint: The person taking the video never says a WORD to Caylee during the whole thing.) (Okay, that was more than a hint.)

I just posted the other one of Caylee (123 cheese) and same thing...person taking the video never says a word to her.

[5boxersmom]

He sort of talks in circles to me. lol. It's so hard unless they POINT to the exact spot on a map to understand where they all were looking. Kathy B (reporter) talked about her crew search by the school to and taping it before Caylee was found.

Yes I would like a map. LOL

[happygert]

Wasn't there Arm and Hammer detergent in her car?

She told Amy this on the 26th. Car abandoned on the 27th. I guess the cleaning didn't work.

jmo


Yes there was .....

[5boxersmom]

Wow! And this is a first for me! Joy Wray (thanks for the right spelling, btw) brought pictures to the crimescene? LOL.
Dropping a dime on D.Casey? It almost sounds like DC was set up by Baez, to keep the negative attention of discovery out of his office, and in the Anthony's. Hinkey

Oh yeah it is on tape. LE said they were really interested in the pics.

jmo

[*Serenity*]

Wasn't there Arm and Hammer detergent in her car?

She told Amy this on the 26th. Car abandoned on the 27th. I guess the cleaning didn't work.

jmo

yep.. arm/hammer in the car
KC didn't plan on what human decomp could do to the trunk of her car.

[Lavenia]

I cannot get you tube videos to open. Hubby put a child protector cap on it and I need dd to open it for me! Can you give me a bigger hint what is happening in the video, and who is not talking?

Caylee looks to be about 2ish in the video and she's eating b-fast in her highchair. It's been purported that Cindy is taking the video. Anyway, whoever is taking the video is watching Caylee play with her food and all the stuff a cutey will do in her highchair, the videographer goes under the tray, and I'm thinking she's going to make Caylee squeal or say,"Boo!" or something, but they just pan back out without saying anything. There are just SO MANY times that Caylee tries to engage the person behind the camera, IMO, and SO MANY times the person behind the camera could interact with Caylee but there's nothing but silence. I mean there's Caylee's babbling, it's not like the video's muted, but there is no voice other than Caylee's. It's weird to me. If it was me and my kid we would have been screaming meemies. We did have a poster here that said they don't say anything during videos because they don't like the discombobulated voices during playback but I dunno...

ETA: I remember my first impression when watching this is someone was filming and watching a "specimen".

[happygert]

yep.. arm/hammer in the car
KC didn't plan on what human decomp could do to the trunk of her car.

nope she thought once she got rid of the body the smell would go...surprise casey the smell stays..

[*Serenity*]

It was a short news report and it showed text of Casey's statements to her friend Amy H. to LE while the news reporter read the short exerpts aloud. That's all in the links threads for some time already.

youtube is so easy to search and grab things (at least for me) rather
than searching our links thread.

I'm just reviewing old stuff tonight.

The videos of Caylee break my heart.

[AbbyNormal]

It was a short news report and it showed text of Casey's statements to her friend Amy H. to LE while the news reporter read the short exerpts aloud. That's all in the links threads for some time already.
Okay, thank you!

[Lavenia]

It seems to me that I read somewhere that Cindy went to US that day and probably found out Casey didn't work there. That was also the day of the myspace post by Cindy.

jmo

Thanks! I didn't realize it was that early.

[mosey?]

I think the address was spoofed.....but the I.P. would be easy enough to find.

If you'd like a simple example.....I'll walk you through it......

Do you used Outlook Exprees? Hotmail? Just let me know, and I can walk you through reading the source, finding source I.P., tracing the I.P.

it's not illegal, so don't worry.....just a very simple process.LOL you want to walk me through sourcing my OWN IP address? I already know it, but thanks. (And one cannot find a physical address from the IP address, without a warrant.)
So Casey didnt even need to change rooms to send herself an email.

The point I'd really like you to address is the point of your above posts. You said Casey deleted her specific yahoo account, which was the recipient of the emails. Why do you think this?

[happygert]

Caylee looks to be about 2ish in the video and she's eating b-fast in her highchair. It's been purported that Cindy is taking the video. Anyway, whoever is taking the video is watching Caylee play with her food and all the stuff a cutey will do in her highchair, the videographer goes under the tray, and I'm thinking she's going to make Caylee squeal or say,"Boo!" or something, but they just pan back out without saying anything. There are just SO MANY times that Caylee tries to engage the person behind the camera, IMO, and SO MANY times the person behind the camera could interact with Caylee but there's nothing but silence. I mean there's Caylee's babbling, it's not like the video's muted, but there is no voice other than Caylee's. It's weird to me. If it was me and my kid we would have been screaming meemies. We did have a poster here that said they don't say anything during videos because they don't like the discombobulated voices during playback but I dunno...


ITA..This video weird... Not one word to Caylee she acts like shes starving for some interaction... Something here.. Like do I keep quite or what.. IMO this video speaks volumes.. The toys say it too....Like in video with her great grandpa.. when hes holding her and she looks at cindy and dont say a word just lays her head back down on grandpas chest and looks away.. No wonder she did that.

[5boxersmom]

ITA..This video weird... Not one word to Caylee she acts like shes starving for some interaction... Something here.. Like do I keep quite or what.. IMO this video speaks volumes.. The toys say it too....

Makes you wonder if that was what Casey was really like when alone with Caylee. I think Caylee looks almost fearful in the one with the crayons at the end. Chilling to think of that.

jmo

[AbbyNormal]

Caylee looks to be about 2ish in the video and she's eating b-fast in her highchair. It's been purported that Cindy is taking the video. Anyway, whoever is taking the video is watching Caylee play with her food and all the stuff a cutey will do in her highchair, the videographer goes under the tray, and I'm thinking she's going to make Caylee squeal or say,"Boo!" or something, but they just pan back out without saying anything. There are just SO MANY times that Caylee tries to engage the person behind the camera, IMO, and SO MANY times the person behind the camera could interact with Caylee but there's nothing but silence. I mean there's Caylee's babbling, it's not like the video's muted, but there is no voice other than Caylee's. It's weird to me. If it was me and my kid we would have been screaming meemies. We did have a poster here that said they don't say anything during videos because they don't like the discombobulated voices during playback but I dunno...

ETA: I remember my first impression when watching this is someone was filming and watching a "specimen".That is different.....

Well, nothing about this family seems typical. I want to have sympathy for them, because everything is so tragic -- but it is rare to run across so many unlikeable people from the same gene pool.

[happygert]

Makes you wonder if that was what Casey was really like when alone with Caylee. I think Caylee looks almost fearful in the one with the crayons at the end. Chilling to think of that.

jmo

Yes very.. IMO NEITHER one of the women in Caylee's life ever showed her love.. NOPE dont see it.. The more I see the Less I believe they really loved her...More of a burden then a treasure..To wrapped up in there selves.. I really believe they all have narcissistic personalities.. Cindy dont go to the jail regardless no phone contact... nope they all are self centered can't love anyone because they are in love with there own selves

[5boxersmom]

Yes very.. IMO NEITHER one of the women in Caylee's life ever showed her love.. NOPE dont see it.. The more I see the Less I believe they really loved her...More of a burden then a treasure..To wrapped up in there selves.. I really believe they all have narcissistic personalities.. Cindy dont go to the jail regardless no phone contact... nope they all are self centered can't love anyone because they are in love with there own selves

Do we know for sure who was doing the taping? I figured it was Casey.

Caylee sure was a sweet little girl. :rose:

[Neffy]

LOL you want to walk me through sourcing my OWN IP address? I already know it, but thanks. (And one cannot find a physical address from the IP address, without a warrant.)
So Casey didnt even need to change rooms to send herself an email.

The point I'd really like you to address is the point of your above posts. You said Casey deleted her specific yahoo account, which was the recipient of the emails. Why do you think this?

Casey most likely deleted her yahoo account due to the fact that any amatuer walks thru the set up process.

You then recieve an icon on your login menu. Click it open it write faux email send it to your account mission accomplished.

Delete your yahoo account remove icon poof gone.

If Casey did it on the home computer she would have deleted this immediately to make sure no one saw the extra icon - clicked on it whereas it lists your email addy.

What's the point here?

Quite a simple stunt to fake someone out by doing.

[5boxersmom]

For her to kill (and I believe she did) I think the abuse was present for some time prior to the murder. I just don't believe she woke up one day and decided to kill her baby after being as loving as Cindy claims she was. I think she probably was always abusive to the baby whenever it suited her.

ITA. There are different types of abuse.

jmo

[mosey?]

LOL.....I can trace I.P. addresses and I don't need a warrant LOL

Yes I might not be able to go to the resident of the person of the I.P. because there is a right to privacy.....(would have to go through the ISP....but if I were able to hack into the ISP I might even illegally be able to find that info)


You are funny though.....

I wasn't talking about Casey's YAHOO account.....I was speaking about the YAHOO accounts that were part of the forwarded e-mail....all those other YAHOO accounts.....

YAHOO doesn't delete e-mail accounts unless they are inactive for 4 MONTHS.......

So the idea that she created those other ACCOUNTS......would mean SHE would have had to ask that the ACCOUNTS be deleted through YAHOO.....

FOLLOW?No, not really. What other accounts?
It sounds to me like she created an email account with Yahoo (I corrected above) and sent herself an email addresses with the fake sender Thomas Franck. The police have a hard copy of the email sent that they printed from her hard drive.

I dont get what you are saying about the deleted fake account set up in order to make it seem like there was a TF.
Were there cc's to others? Is that part of your point? That she could fake a number of accounts for the cc's?

[happygert]

When cindy talks it about her. Not sleeping, not eating ,losing weight.
When casey talks its about herself, what she's eating, what shes doing. napping and reading.. Not crying, No wonder no one called about casey being unfit mother imo so was cindy.. imo casey was raised without love. no wonder she couldn't love Caylee ...she didnt know how.. Now dont start throwing things at me.. Not upholding for casey.. no reason for her to murder Caylee and throw her away like trash to rot.. she could have gave her up for adoption.....just making an observation... casey and cindy are just alike.......

[mosey?]

Casey most likely deleted her yahoo account due to the fact that any amatuer walks thru the set up process.

You then recieve an icon on your login menu. Click it open it write faux email send it to your account mission accomplished.

Delete your yahoo account remove icon poof gone.

If Casey did it on the home computer she would have deleted this immediately to make sure no one saw the extra icon - clicked on it whereas it lists your email addy.

What's the point here?

Quite a simple stunt to fake someone out by doing.That would explain Thomas Francks fake account, but the issue seems to be accounts, plural.
I was wondering if carbon copies of it were listed on the hard copy

[AbbyNormal]

No, not really. What other accounts?
It sounds to me like she created an email account with Yahoo (I corrected above) and sent herself an email addresses with the fake sender Thomas Franck. The police have a hard copy of the email sent that they printed from her hard drive.

I dont get what you are saying about the deleted fake account set up in order to make it seem like there was a TF.
Were there cc's to others? Is that part of your point? That she could fake a number of accounts for the cc's?Franck -- that name reminds me of the event coordinator (Martin Short) in Father of the Bride.

[happygert]

Do we know for sure who was doing the taping? I figured it was Casey.

Caylee sure was a sweet little girl. :rose:

no we don't know for sure...But we do know who was taping the one with Great Grandpa..
Today when my GS was here papa was opening up one of his toays he got for xmas.. it had screws in the bottom.. hubby had to get screwdriver to get the toys off.. he looks at papa and says to him "hurry papa hurry" "I wished I had got that on video." we started laughing then I started crying remember Caylee asking her grandpa if he was tired.. Yes she was..so sad...

[5boxersmom]

My point is that she didn't create fake accounts......and if the police have the original e-mail, they can find the source.....

say you get an e-mail from your friend and you forward it to me.....follow....

you forward an e-mail to me......I can get the I.P. of the person that sent you the e-mail.

:D

Could she have done this from the library or another computer at a friends house? I see what you are saying. But if Thomas Franc doesn't exist however you spell it how could he have sent the emails to the other people?

[mosey?]

My point is that she didn't create fake accounts......and if the police have the original e-mail, they can find the source.....

say you get an e-mail from your friend and you forward it to me.....follow....

you forward an e-mail to me......I can get the I.P. of the person that sent you the e-mail.

:DIn the Thomas Franck account, it was forwarded TO Casey? or was it a mass email sent to more than one at once?

[5boxersmom]

Yes but in this case it seems to have been physical. Not much a baby can understand especially newborn. I don't believe she ever had any use for this poor little baby. Verbal abuse would be lost on a newborn. I think she's always been physically abusive to the baby and it ended in murder.

Yes she looks unsure at times. Does that make sense?

[aubrey04]

Let's make a list shall we of people LIKE Lenny.

1. Lenny
2. ?

Lenny isn't who this child needed protection from.

I don't like or dislike Lenny, but you're right.. Lenny didn't even know Caylee existed when Casey murdered her.

[mosey?]

Franck -- that name reminds me of the event coordinator (Martin Short) in Father of the Bride.OMG! Good spot! That might just be where she got it from! LOL

[5boxersmom]

no we don't know for sure...But we do know who was taping the one with Great Grandpa..
Today when my GS was here papa was opening up one of his toays he got for xmas.. it had screws in the bottom.. hubby had to get screwdriver to get the toys off.. he looks at papa and says to him "hurry papa hurry" "I wished I had got that on video." we started laughing then I started crying remember Caylee asking her grandpa if he was tired.. Yes she was..so sad...

And we do hear Cindy's voice in that video but then again she isn't talking to Caylee.

I know what you mean. My GS does things sometimes that makes me think of Caylee. He turned four today.

jmo

[Neffy]

That would explain Thomas Francks fake account, but the issue seems to be accounts, plural.
I was wondering if carbon copies of it were listed on the hard copy

I can't recall. I don't think so but I couldn't state it as fact.
If I see it I'll let you know (not going to look for more then a few minutes.

Still she would have done it the same way.

I see much ado about nothing. :) She faked her mother out that she was still working.

Family tried to show LE she was.

Didn't work fake addy's.

Quite simple. Nothing about it except lying about working.

Has nothing to do with the murder of Caylee.

Has everything to do with Casey being a liar and a con.

But we knew that :)

[mosey?]

She couldn't have.......she could make a name that shows up.....like if I send an e-mail it could say Just Me.....

but she couldn't fake the I.P. or the Time Stamp which is what I was saying from the start.She couldnt fake the IP, but that doesnt rule out the fact that she could have sent the email. Why do you think the IP source was a computer other than her laptop or Cindy's desktp comp.?

[happygert]

I guess you wouldn't since it wasn't your identifying information that was published and available to anyone. You might feel differently if it was your SS#, DL #, address and phone that was published.

Well I guess Casey shouldn't have commited murder of a 2 year old BABY,. She had no problem taking every one else ID and Checks , money now did she.. Firm believer in what goes around comes around..
They live in that state they know what the laws are . I guess she should have never done the crime and it wouldn't have been out..
I guess CA and GA shouldn't have lied..GA former POLICE OFFICER he knows and EVERYONE KNOWS MURDER IS AGAINST THE LAW.So IMO they shouldn't have lied to cover for casey...

[AbbyNormal]

Yes but in this case it seems to have been physical. Not much a baby can understand especially newborn. I don't believe she ever had any use for this poor little baby. Verbal abuse would be lost on a newborn. I think she's always been physically abusive to the baby and it ended in murder.How would anyone prove it? I mean, how would Cindy or George, have gone about building a case against Casey without her knowingledge?

[5boxersmom]

She couldn't have.......she could make a name that shows up.....like if I send an e-mail it could say Just Me.....

but she couldn't fake the I.P. or the Time Stamp which is what I was saying from the start.

Adding...


If she was smarter than the average bear, she could possibly try to hide the I.P. but someone could find out.....

Given that person finding out was either Law Enforcement (that was previously a hacker) or a Hacker LOL

Well George did say she was good with computers. I think it might have been enough to fool her parents but not LE. They have computer experts. I am sure they know what it was all about.

jmo

[AbbyNormal]

OMG! Good spot! That might just be where she got it from! LOLWith Casey, who knows? But everytime I read that name, Franck, I see Martin Short in my mind.

[5boxersmom]

Most definitely.

I can't understand why anyone would think she couldn't.

All she would have to do it make out the email even with fake email addys send it to herself then forward it to herself again after she removes her addy from the first one. The fake ones will just bounce back saying they couldn't be delivered. Right?

jmo

[happygert]

And we do hear Cindy's voice in that video but then again she isn't talking to Caylee.

I know what you mean. My GS does things sometimes that makes me think of Caylee. He turned four today.

jmo


Nope only time she said anything was give papa kiss and hug..

They are such a joy..Mine will be 2 next month but i say he's 2....lol hes my pride and joy... I'm sure yours is too.. I just dont get it..how someone could hurt a baby like that... I will never understand it...

[mosey?]

Never said that....GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR

I said she didn't create those other accounts just to send e-mail to them.

Sheeeeesh

If she created just the Yahoo accounts she would have had to ask Yahoo to delete them.....

the e-mail was sent in May....Yahoo doesn't delete accounts unless they are inactive for 4 Months..........as far as my calendar May 14 to September 14 is 4 Months.....fairly certain that the police had the computer and checked by that time.But she DID create the account. No Thomas Franck exists. What aren't you getting?
And after she created them she wouldn't neccessarily have deleted them. They could stay in cyber limbo until whenever.

Is this what my sis calls spaghetti-talk?

[happygert]

I guess all the people who ever came into contact with Casey shouldn't have, since they should know that she would commit a crime that would be so high profile that their personal information would be published all over the internet. I guess its there own fault.

You dont have to read it...

[5boxersmom]

My grandaughter had those looks at that age so I read nothing negative into it.

Caylee is murdered though. It doesn't get more abusive than that.

I know what you are saying and of course I am viewing these videos after the fact. Just get a weird feeling. I don't think you are this loving mother and then all of a sudden you murder your child. I wouldn't put nothing past Casey.

jmo

[mosey?]

It was moot before, but you seemed to believe she created those accounts....

you would be wrong, unless she requested they were deleted.Narc, in other words you are saying we would be right IF she deleted them.

But, we could also be right if she DIDN'T delete them.

[happygert]

Jessica D`Onofrio is the only person to say that. No one in law enforcement has said it.

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George is still pushing for full immunity for his clients.

If what Jessica D`Onofrio said on Nancy Grace last night is true, I have a feeling the reason full immunity is needed is because once law enforcement hears what Cindy & George know & when they knew it... Cindy & George would definitely be facing charges.

Yes LandShark she did say that about LE, However didn't hear anything about the FBI ...They still could charge them..I hoping someone does so all these people will know you cant LIE, obstruct Justice, hinder a criminal investigation , destroy evidence and get buy with it.

[5boxersmom]

What I can tell you is this... Casey made a dummy email account in the name of Thomas Franck. She used that email account to send herself (to her real email account) an email to make it look like she had a job.

Right and just because she typed in other email addys doesn't mean these addys had accounts or existed. It would just come back saying it couldn't be delivered.

jmo

[mosey?]

What I can tell you is this... Casey made a dummy email account in the name of Thomas Franck. She used that email account to send herself (to her real email account) an email to make it look like she had a job.Exactly, she's not getting it. Seems to think that the only way Casey could have set up the fake email account is if she herself deleted it.
I'm really trying to understand the logic.

[happygert]

I know what you are saying and of course I am viewing these videos after the fact. Just get a weird feeling. I don't think you are this loving mother and then all of a sudden you murder your child. I wouldn't put nothing past Casey.

jmo

ITA you dont go from mother of the year to a murdering mom ..

[Lavenia]

What I can tell you is this... Casey made a dummy email account in the name of Thomas Franck. She used that email account to send herself (to her real email account) an email to make it look like she had a job.

Easy, peasy, japaneasy.

[happygert]

What I can tell you is this... Casey made a dummy email account in the name of Thomas Franck. She used that email account to send herself (to her real email account) an email to make it look like she had a job.

Yep.......

[Neffy]

That would explain Thomas Francks fake account, but the issue seems to be accounts, plural.
I was wondering if carbon copies of it were listed on the hard copy

http://investigation.discovery.com/blogs/criminal-report/casey_anthony_full_coverage/files/casey_anthony_documents03.pdf

As I said much ado about nothing :)


Amateur class 101 :)

page 51

[mosey?]

ROFLMAO....how did she create a email account and send it from a domain that never existed or was ever registered?

And then how did she hide the I.P. from which that e-mail was sent?


I can't wait for the Computer Forensic Expert.....


I have theories, but would love for you to answer :)Narc, What makes you think the IP is hidden or not tracable? How do you know it wasnt sent from HER computer?

[5boxersmom]

ITA you dont go from mother of the year to a murdering mom ..

Yeah no kidding. :sad:

[mosey?]

If I thought there was logic to what is being posted... I'd try to understand it too.Mebbe yer right. I am really trying to make sence of what she's saying. Live and learn.

Cindy said to Casey in the jailhouse tapes that a person named Tia Torres told her that Casey said that Cindy was in a mental hospital. Did she mean Kiomarie Torres-Cruz, you think? Casey acted like she didnt know who Cindy was talking about.
If so, why wouldnt Cindy know her, being that she and Casey were "best friends" in high school.

[mosey?]

I don't think she hid it......

I seriously doubt she would know how.....ROFLMAO

The I.P. would easily show it....DUH

That was my point early on.....but you guys keep wanting to argue ROFLMAO
Again, how do you know it wasnt sent from her computer?

[mosey?]

I think there are a few things that could explain it.

What I've heard from Landshark and other are quite weak......

I.P. info will be easy to determine. And I think it's that simple.

She didn't create anything, she made them up....

Yes I know some will say creating and making them up are the same.....but I've been talking about creating an account, and all that.....so spin away ;)

Yes definitely see the spin.Wait, so now you are saying Casey made up the emails. Welcome! You took the long way here, din'cha!

[Neffy]

Again, how do you know it wasnt sent from her computer?

Sorry about that file it's large and I know some people can't open

Heres the heading.

From: casey anthony (caseyomarie@yahoo.com)
To: caseyomarie@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:36:34
Subject: FW **EVENT TONIGHT

-----Forwarded Message -------
From: C. Anthony@events.universal.com
To: caseyomarie@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:45:51
Subject: FW **EVENT TONIGHT

ROFLMAO!

The forwarding part :

-----Forwarded Message -------


is manipulatable.

You can type ANYTHING YOU WANT TO APPEAR.

[Neffy]

Hey look Casey sent us a message to the board.

It says it's from her BAWAHAHAHAHA!

She must be at universal again.

[mosey?]

Sorry about that file it's large and I know some people can't open

Heres the heading.

From: casey anthony (caseyomarie@yahoo.com)
To: caseyomarie@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:36:34
Subject: FW **EVENT TONIGHT

-----Forwarded Message -------
From: C. Anthony@events.universal.com
To: caseyomarie@yahoo.com
Date: Wednesday, May 14, 2008 3:45:51
Subject: FW **EVENT TONIGHT

ROFLMAO!

The forwarding part :

-----Forwarded Message -------


is manipulatable.

You can type ANYTHING YOU WANT TO APPEAR.Check Mate. Thank you, Neffy (or should I call you Deep Blue? LOL)

[Neffy]

Here's a dummy email I just made..

casey.universal@yahooDOTcom.

Password: ridiculous

Anyone want it? Take it. Send yourself an email. It works like any other email. :)

That was easy. :thumbup:

LS the forwarding part is TYPED IN by the sender.

Forward any email in your box right now.

The forwarding message comes up.

Change it and send from 1 YAHOO account to another YAHOO account.

[mosey?]

If Cindy's purported dislike of hispanic people is correct, I can see how Cindy wouldn't know her.Oh My Gosh! You're absolutely right! Kiomarie said in her interview that she wasnt allowed in the Anthony house because Cindy hated hispanics! Thats probably the reason Cindy was so adamant about Casey keeping her baby. Kiomarie wanted to adopt it.

[Lavenia]

Hey look Casey sent us a message to the board.

It says it's from her BAWAHAHAHAHA!

She must be at universal again.

She's just looking for her phone.

[5boxersmom]

Never said they weren't......

I could find out if I had access to that computer....

also could find out if it was sent from a library.....

or whatever domain.....

even none existent ones if I get the e-mail.


Sorry that you people are a bit computer illiterate......no offense, just stating what appears to be the truth or you'd have a clue.

Well I do take offense. We explained how it could be done. It is no big mystery. Casey is no smarter then you or I or any poster here. You talk like it is some big deal but yet you do not explain yourself. You just keep acting like you know so much more then anyone else.

jmo

[AbbyNormal]

:confused:
How would a typical grandparent go about building a case of abuse against their adult child? It is one thing to suspect and another to prove. What would it take for children's services to take custody away from Casey -- for good -- no danger of the baby being placed with her ever again?

How do grandparents get custody without putting the child in jepordy if the parent catches on?

(sorry for the un-word knowledging, lol)

[Neffy]

Possible to manipulate the e-mail........not many know how to manipulate the Source. LOL

You still don't follow do you?

Game over. :)

2 Casey yahoo accounts
1 typed in forwarded from.

Anything else is a waste of time.

[mosey?]

Never said they weren't......

I could find out if I had access to that computer....

also could find out if it was sent from a library.....

or whatever domain.....

even none existent ones if I get the e-mail.


Sorry that you people are a bit computer illiterate......no offense, just stating what appears to be the truth or you'd have a clue.How would you get an email if the is domain is non(E) existent?

[Lavenia]

I understand completely. :thumbup:

One can change the 'forwarded from' part to anything they come up with.

Very simple. Again... why is that so hard to understand? :shrug:

THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND JUST DROPPED ME A LINE! :w00t:

[5boxersmom]

Here is a link to show you how to look at a source.....I asked earlier if you knew

Not sure this will fit your particular e-mail......you can do it for even yahoo and hotmail web accessed accounts......

http://www.johnru.com/active-whois/trace-email.html

But maybe if you look you'll understand. Sorry but it's very apparent that you guys are a bit behind. It's the truth so I don't mind saying it.

Why do you need to look at the source? Casey made up the whole thing. You think LE doesn't know this?

[Neffy]

Most definitely.

And this is what Narcissist71 has been trying to discuss for how many days now?

Waste. Huge waste.

:thumbsup:

[mosey?]

Most definitely.

And this is what Narcissist71 has been trying to discuss for how many days now?

Waste. Huge waste.Well I think if the subject comes up again, we can just send her back here.

I really think Cindy was aware of Caseys lies, but chose not to believe then because she was sick and tired of her own daughter, and just wanted her out of the house. The only reason she didnt throw her on the street and change the locks is because of Caylee. Casey used Caylee and Cindy's close relationship to pay rent, IMO.
When Casey was out, she had no need for her anymore. Tragic.

[Lavenia]

Please e-mail me and change your I.P. LOL

Her Majesty's Secret Service forbids me. :no::wink:

[Neffy]

THE QUEEN OF ENGLAND JUST DROPPED ME A LINE! :w00t:

:w00t: ROFLAMO!

Tell her Neffy says HEY!

[5boxersmom]

Law enforcement knows it but apparently Narcissist71 doesn't know that law enforcement knows it.

LE didn't take the computers and not have computer forensics look at them. Geez. There is so much we do not know that LE does.

jmo

[Lavenia]

:w00t: ROFLAMO!

Tell her Neffy says HEY!

Will do! She's kickin' it with a 40 right now. :w00t:

[Neffy]

Her Majesty's Secret Service forbids me. :no::wink:

:w00t:

My eyes are watering now! Pass the puffs! Pleeeeeease!

Bawahahahahah

[mosey?]

I'm sure Cindy has always been aware of Casey's lies. Cindy has always given Casey a pass.

What was it Cindy said?

When Casey lies to me she always tells me the truth?

Something like that.Yeah I remember that. Its like saying when its dark outside, its always daylight. Whaaa?

[5boxersmom]

No, not smarter....

but don't we discuss things that LE probably already knows....

like the book being found at the site Caylee was found....

why discuss it......if LE already would know it? It was a subject for some time.

Wow. Too Funny....

lets not discuss things that most people are ignorant about since LE knows already?

You said we were ignorant and behind. We proved it could be done. As I said Casey is not smarter then any of us. LE has experts for these things. They took the computers.

It's not that we won't discuss it but you posted like you knew something we did not. Just like with the book. If it was Caylee's book I am sure LE knows this.

jmo

[AbbyNormal]

I have no idea about any of those things. It wasn't the issue I was talking about. I was expressing a personal belief about this case but it didn't have anything to do with what you asked me about.

I don't feel like retyping my past posts regarding what I was saying. I'm fighting off some illness and I really need to go lay down for the night.

My apologizies and I'll chat with you again soon I hope.Hope you feel better soon. I need to turn in also. Good night.

[Neffy]

How would a typical grandparent go about building a case of abuse against their adult child? It is one thing to suspect and another to prove. What would it take for children's services to take custody away from Casey -- for good -- no danger of the baby being placed with her ever again?

How do grandparents get custody without putting the child in jepordy if the parent catches on?

(sorry for the un-word knowledging, lol)

You would have to have undisputable proof of the parent being unfit.
It would be a long process UNLESS the child showed signs of abuse such as broken bones and medical records that are obvious and it could be proved the parent was doing causing this.


No way to do it without the parent of that child knowing.

[Lavenia]

I'm turning in before my sella turcica explodes. Good night all. See you tomorrow (later today).

[mosey?]

LOL.....if you don't know what to look for I could send you an e-mail from a domain that doesn't exist.


Sorry....I really don't mean to laugh, but when you people rather attack me when I'm trying discuss, maybe even inform......it's just funny.......

It's the internet and it's all good....LOLAren't you getting a bit dusty?
Now you are saying it's possible to send fake emails, contrary to you previous posts. I am bored with it. You should be too.
Lets talk about the actual case, shall we?

[mosey?]

No.

Never said 'why discuss this.' You must be thinking of someone else.

And the 'Waste. Huge waste.' part is about my time. Not yours. ;)

It was a waste. A huge waste of my time to fall into your 'discussion.'it's all Spaghetti talk.
Sharkie was Caylee found on the north or south side of Suburban Drive, do you know?

[AbbyNormal]

You would have to have undisputable proof of the parent being unfit.
It would be a long process UNLESS the child showed signs of abuse such as broken bones and medical records that are obvious and it could be proved the parent was doing causing this.


No way to do it without the parent of that child knowing.Thanks for your reply Neffy. I guess I would like to understand how to prevent another Casey from happening. I don't know if that's possible.

[mosey?]

Thanks. I've been told that before. It must be true.

The entire Hoover, D.Casey, videotape deal has me thoroughly confused. Too much distraction from the real case.It's like another leg on a centepede isnt it? But it IS part of the whole. Did or didn't the Baez camp know Caylee was deceased or not, ya know? Kind of crucial when the same people who are supposed to be saying Casey didn't kill her, then have knowledge of the burial site.
It's the real case, all right.

[mosey?]

There seems to be a lot of coincidences and a lot of strange back stories. Its disturbing when things get so bizarre, because most crimes are pretty simple. I think a lot of everything we hear must be fiction, because none of it makes any sense.Well, like they say, Truth is Stranger Than Fiction. It sure seems to be the case here. The likes of it have never been seen and (hopefully) will never be seen again. But, it expands the brain, that's for sure. :sad:

[Neffy]

Thanks for your reply Neffy. I guess I would like to understand how to prevent another Casey from happening. I don't know if that's possible.

Sadly she's not the first nor will be the last.

All you can do is report, report, report.

If that doesn't work, report and document some more.

Just don't give up. You may not be able to do anything but you may be a childs only hope and one day you just may be heard.

[mosey?]

Okay. There is no Street View for that area but the way the map came up I'd say Caylee's remains were found on the south side of the road.
The Crimescene photos show a chainlink fence on the side she was found, that's why I ask. I thought she was found on the northside. Its funny how something like that can make me feel discombobulated.

[mosey?]

Evidently a place LE didn't find significant enough to adequately search.No I dont think that's it. I think by the time Kiomarie was interviewed, it was underwater, and therefore unsearchable.

[5boxersmom]

Sure they did.

Caylee's remains were not found at the so-called hangout.

I thought everyone knew that.

Right. The hang out was behind the school.

[5boxersmom]

Ignorant is a word meaning you lack knowlegde about the subject....

I apologize if you were offended by that word......

Wow so now the rules have changed? I have to prove everything? Interesting.

I accept your apology. There is a difference between email accounts and email addys. Casey faked the addys. Didn't need the accounts.

I just figured you had proof since you seemed so sure about it.

jmo

[mosey?]

Right. The hang out was behind the school.
So the hang-out and where she was found are about 1/4 mile apart, roughly.

[mosey?]

Correct.

Here's the photo (http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Google.jpg) again.

The so-called hangout is on the opposite side of the road from where Caylee's remains were found.When Casey and Kiomarie were in high school, the houses to the west of the school may not have even been there. Kiomarie said "behind the school". I am assuming behind is west, opposite of the front door.

[mosey?]

Whats up with the anthonys living on the same street as the gonzalez family and the Zenaida somthing family. like in between them. I thought that was significant, but havent seen any posts about it.Casey picked the names for people in her little improv from actual people and things around her. Although I think those ARE coincedences, because she got the name from Zenaida Gonzalez that was looking at 210 on the 16th.

[mosey?]

mosey?... if this helps... Caylee's remains were found on the same side of the road as the Anthony's home.

What I mean to say is... if one were to travel from the Anthony home to Suburban Dr, one would make a right hand turn & Caylee's remains were found on the right side of the road.Thanks Sharkie.
Two rights make a terrible wrong

[Neffy]

Well......if the police didn't bother, I'm sure the defense will.....

faking the source....and I used the Thomas.Franck one because it was a domain that hasn't been registered......

I'd say if I had the computer that would be another brick in the wall....show it where it was sent from....I.P. If it was from the same I.P. as the e-mail....then there you have it....

That's why I said it's pretty simple.....other people had a big story that Casey created the accounts herself to e-mail herself.....which I believe would be easy to prove as well.....

she isn't a hacker.......but some people seem to think she was LOL Sorry.....but there isn't evidence of such. Sorry....if the Police hasn't released or leaked anything about it....so we can't discuss it. :( apparently

NOTHING TO DO WITH HACKING.

SHE CREATED ONE ACCOUNT AND EMAILED HERSELF.

I doubt this will even be brought up at court as it has no bearing on Caylee's death other then she didn't work at universal at the time.

It proves she lied. Good Grief.

Why are you making this a complicated scenerio as if it matters.

Go ahead, go with your domain theory. It's not necessary you don't need it but go ahead.

In the end it's a huge waste as it has absolutely no bearing.

[5boxersmom]

Well......if the police didn't bother, I'm sure the defense will.....

faking the source....and I used the Thomas.Franck one because it was a domain that hasn't been registered......

I'd say if I had the computer that would be another brick in the wall....show it where it was sent from....I.P. If it was from the same I.P. as the e-mail....then there you have it....

That's why I said it's pretty simple.....other people had a big story that Casey created the accounts herself to e-mail herself.....which I believe would be easy to prove as well.....

she isn't a hacker.......but some people seem to think she was LOL Sorry.....but there isn't evidence of such. Sorry....if the Police hasn't released or leaked anything about it....so we can't discuss it. :( apparently

No what I was saying was I am sure LE has checked it not that we can't discuss it. You just made it sound like you had proof that Casey has created these accounts.

I think she created the email addys not any accounts. I do not think she is a hacker.

jmo

[SaraSidle]

Sure they did.

Caylee's remains were not found at the so-called hangout.

I thought everyone knew that.

even though they were called 3 times in August. I do not buy it. IMO

[5boxersmom]

Well that's fine.....

I keep seeing it's a waste of time to talk about things that the police already know...

but I talked about the book, even zoomed into a photo (though it was pixelated) and saw the same guy in a suit......

I'm sure the police already knew it was there, but we talked about it....

You talk about me being rude by saying you are ignorant of certain things.....but I think it's a bit rude to say anyone's discussion is a waste of time.....yet to see an apology ;)

I never said your discussion was a waste of time.

jmo

[Neffy]

Why are you here? I mean this case isn't complicated.....


we talk about things.......none of the things we talk about makes the case.....

Sheesh........

Again why are you here, why do you discuss things that have no bearing on the case against Casey?

I may ask you the same.

Hacking has no bearing on the Universal Emails.

Part of the debunker squad :)

[mosey?]

The chainlink fence is on the north side, but Caylee was found on the southside of Suburban. She was located right past a wooden fence.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orl-caylee-anthony-crime-scene-photos-121808,0,2942358.photogallery

Go to picture 35-37 and you can see that that wooden fence is actually one long lot (backyard) on Hopespring Dr. "Some" are saying that lot and the one next door are owned by people named "Zenida" (sp) and "Gonzales(z)" = was the clue to Lee to search there?????Thanks Alamo. That gives me a really good frame of reference. I hadnt the heart to look at the pics thouroughly. When the camera was shooting east I was seeing west, and versa visa. I'm OK now.LOL

[Neffy]

Well that's fine.....

I keep seeing it's a waste of time to talk about things that the police already know...

but I talked about the book, even zoomed into a photo (though it was pixelated) and saw the same guy in a suit......

I'm sure the police already knew it was there, but we talked about it....

You talk about me being rude by saying you are ignorant of certain things.....but I think it's a bit rude to say anyone's discussion is a waste of time.....yet to see an apology ;)


Yet have I. I don't ask either or think I'm owed.

You've chased LS around that he refuses to answer the yahoo account questions. You insinuated he was hiding. He wasn't hiding he was tired of answering you. You got more then your bargained for and provided you proof. Yet you don't like the answer and are twisting posts around. What you accused boxersmom of didn't happen No one said don't discuss things LE knows.

Making Casey's email a complicated situation is what has been said is a huge waste of time. Very simply done end of story.

[Neffy]

You debunked what?

I saw the e-mail.....

are you saying there was no e-mail?

or you are debunking it was from Universal?

Because that is pretty much a duh.....didn't need you to debunk it. ;)

You just proved me right again :) Read above post.

Have a nice evening.

[cuddlyrunner]

I know you probably talked about this last night but it's only just been shown over here.

What an odious little man!

No wonder we are living in a culture of not wanting to get involved :-(