Saturday January 10/09 - Evening Part II

[nc1948]

What other defense can Baez go with?.....there is nothing else....can't do the crazy defense, can't blame another family member........I don't know what defense is left.

Sorry Mac, go back and read her last sentence. She said even Baez was not that dumb.

[norwood]

Here is what we need to do.

Make like a family tree of all the players. Or a cast list. One that we can print out.

Have the name, who they are kin to or how connected to the case they are.

What do you think? lol:smile:

[Balesha]

I've heard that said.....that it is too late for a plea.

So what will he do, do you think? There is NO WAY in the world he can do the Zanny the Nanny business!


He'll just look ridiculous no matter what story they go with. Casey was so firm on that fake nanny that if he tries to go in another direction, Casey will just look like a bigger liar. There's no way they can win this case. There is no reasonable explanation for not reporting your daughter missing. She's done there alone IMO.

[AMS]

GR - the owner of the video that he promised to show us has demanded a king's ransom in order to show it. OMG!!! So, Geraldo will watch it with his guests and describe it to us.

This is pathetic!! IMO.

[gaelicpeas]

I know, I just watched them again on NG, and it gets wierder every time. I have a question that has puzzled me from the start of this: does anyone that anyone here knows actually talk like these people do?

I'm not just talking about when they are obviously trying to avoid being direct, but other times like when Casey said that she went to a "neutral place," or when any of them use the phrase "reach out to law enforcement." Their speech is filled with this kind of non-speak speak, and it just seems so odd to me. Anyone else have the same reaction?

BTW, MrsHudson, great post about what Cindy could have said to LE. :thumbup:
I think they are all lying and grasping for anything. Which is why none of it makes sense.

[happygert]

What did Judge Strickland say...he heard 200,000 for some video that Baez sold????? IMO the Anthony's have so much legal trouble comin at em, that they will be selling this on Ebay....anythink to do with Casey and Caylee.....mark my words

Will not show tape because owner wants a kings ransom for the tape....WOULD NOT SAY WHO THE OWNER IS.....Didnt he say the 15 od DEC.

[sorjam]

Hello everybody! I have been reading here for months but left the boards during the SP trial due to excessive bashing and trolling that I found MUTE. lol
I enjoy all your posts so much and never take offense in disagreement.
I am in a support group that helps parents with addiction issues concerning their children. I have been involved and lead this group for over 12 yrs. I have seen many, many parents who go "down the rabbit hole" when their kids are in trouble with the law. Denial is not a new phenomena at all but I also think the "live Caylee sightings" were being orchestrated by the defense to keep the GP in support of Casey and buying into the lies. Those "live Caylee sightings" had a very effective way of getting the DP off of the table and it worked quite well. MOO
This case is particularly hard for me to follow for many reasons but one is because I am also raising my 4 yr. old grandchild due to the fact that when I felt he was in danger.......I TOOK HIM! God Bless Caylee Anthony and may we never forget her Sunshine Song and goodness. IMO

[happygert]

Omg lkb!!!!!!!!!!1

[SavannahStar]

Well, now they also have Kronk, and the games have already begun to attack him...

IMO, Baez is going to do the 'pasta defense' throw a bunch of stuff out there and see what sticks...all they 'need' is one juror...

He doesn't stand a chance. Not a chance. IMO.

[Lavenia]

At first when I say that I was confused. Could you explain why the two go together?

TIA

Just thinking out loud witchy, I would think a lot of these are cross referenced anyway, i.e. a lot of child abuse are also sex crimes and a lot of sex crimes were also child abuse victims. Also, due to the nature of the crimes, there has to be a sensitivity that doesn't necessarily have to be present in other types of criminal investigations, robbery, arson, etc, and the person trained for one of these would probably be a good fit for the other. IMOO.

[gaelicpeas]

Here is what we need to do.

Make like a family tree of all the players. Or a cast list. One that we can print out.

Have the name, who they are kin to or how connected to the case they are.

What do you think? lol:smile:Several sites have done this already... e.g., this one:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm

[Lavenia]

GR - the owner of the video that he promised to show us has demanded a king's ransom in order to show it. OMG!!! So, Geraldo will watch it with his guests and describe it to us.

This is pathetic!! IMO.

OMG this is so lame!

[tootie]

Will not show tape because owner wants a kings ransom for the tape....WOULD NOT SAY WHO THE OWNER IS.....Didnt he say the 15 od DEC.

I feel like I did when Geraldo opened Al Capones vault. When am I gonna learn not to turn on Geraldo?

[n/t]

I turned on Geraldo even though he makes me sick and he said he will have a World Exclusive Video from the Anthony family PI.

Taking about Obama right now.

World Exclusive? Is that the same as Nancy's Bombshells? :unsure:

[martha]

i JUST KNOW IN MY HEART g and c and lee know a lot more than they or telling. I bet cindy and casey has always had trouble with each other and casey talked like she did not even like to be around her dad.so there is a lot more to this family than we know. jmho

[AMS]

Linda KB is now looking at the secret video. She said she can't tell where the video is taking place. If it is the location whenre the bag was found, she does NOT see the remains.

Kimberly G says there is no water in the area. See debris in area. She is shocked that Linda is seeing video on Geraldo's show rather than thru discovery.

[SavannahStar]

Several sites have done this already... e.g., this one:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm

I was going to bring that up but I didn't have it right handy. That is such an excellent site.

[rbrnmw]

Thanks for tip about mini fridge. Now if I could just get someone to clean, cook and shop for me I could just molt right here and not miss a thing. I really hate it when I am off line and get back on and try to catch up and want to respond to a post and the dang poster is already off line.

Someone guessed it would be at least a year before we actually have the trial. Can you imagine how many more players will be added before this is over. And isn't it bizaar how many have similar names. Casey/ D Casey, Lee/Dr lee, TonE/Tony, and lots more. I would stay lost in the maze without other posters help. Thats a thanks to all the gang on here.
I know right? Or Have a water proof pc in the Shower so you can keep up and not miss a post

[AMS]

World Exclusive? Is that the same as Nancy's Bombshells? :unsure:

His World Exclusive is now being held for a "king's ransom". :rolleyes:

[joolz]

Hello everybody! I have been reading here for months but left the boards during the SP trial due to excessive bashing and trolling that I found MUTE. lol
I enjoy all your posts so much and never take offense in disagreement.
I am in a support group that helps parents with addiction issues concerning their children. I have been involved and lead this group for over 12 yrs. I have seen many, many parents who go "down the rabbit hole" when their kids are in trouble with the law. Denial is not a new phenomena at all but I also think the "live Caylee sightings" were being orchestrated by the defense to keep the GP in support of Casey and buying into the lies. Those "live Caylee sightings" had a very effective way of getting the DP off of the table and it worked quite well. MOO
This case is particularly hard for me to follow for many reasons but one is because I am also raising my 4 yr. old grandchild due to the fact that when I felt he was in danger.......I TOOK HIM! God Bless Caylee Anthony and may we never forget her Sunshine Song and goodness. IMO

Hi and Wow! I never thought of the def orchestrating the "sightings" for that purpose. That is a frightening idea! And now that you mention it, entirely possible. . .:eek:

[Lavenia]

I was a model and any photographer whom I paid to take my photo's had copyright on the photos. Not me.

I didn't realize that until you and norwood explained it to me. Thanks.

[happygert]

This was a tip from KIOMARIE... Now Conwy spinning because GR said Dec 15...I really cant stand to hear these people....barf what happened to conway???

[Balesha]

He doesn't stand a chance. Not a chance. IMO.

Ask 5 people who know nothing about this case. Ask them who they think did it. Tell them a baby is found dead and her mother never reported her missing. Said mother then says the babysitter took her (who no one has met), the babysitter's phone number is on a phone (that mother conveniently lost). That's all you need IMO for a guilty verdict.

[Tracian]

He doesn't stand a chance. Not a chance. IMO.


I hope you are right...I thought so too, in Spector, OJ (the first) and Blake...

[bluwaters]

Linda KB is now looking at the secret video. She said she can't tell where the video is taking place. If it is the location whenre the bag was found, she does NOT see the remains.

Kimberly G says there is no water in the area. See debris in area. She is shocked that Linda is seeing video on Geraldo's show rather than thru discovery.
Unbelievable!!!
Talk about media hos!
I agree with Kimberly G.
TY for the update - I don't have cable.

[Lavenia]

I feel like I did when Geraldo opened Al Capones vault. When am I gonna learn not to turn on Geraldo?

Yeah, like he didn't know this was going to cost a king's ransom this afternoon when he was saying it was going to be on tonight? :rolleyes:

[nc1948]

Several sites have done this already... e.g., this one:

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_name_list.htm


I counted 181 (did it quickly, so could be off some) and did not notice when it had been updated. We still have a long time until the trial. Oh Boy.

[sunbutterfly]

After the remains were found didn't the A's attorney recently say this area was not the exact area where the kids hung out, but now says that it is ?? :)

[SavannahStar]

Ask 5 people who know nothing about this case. Ask them who they think did it. Tell them a baby is found dead and her mother never reported her missing. Said mother then says the babysitter took her (who no one has met), the babysitter's phone number is on a phone (that mother conveniently lost). That's all you need IMO for a guilty verdict.

Oh I agree.

And add in the forensics.....which from what little we've heard, are very powerful.....well, yeh, no doubt in my mind at all she'll be found guilty. NO doubt.

[Lavenia]

Geraldo keeps bringing up Kronk's kidnapping charge. :rolleyes:

[bluwaters]

Hello everybody! I have been reading here for months but left the boards during the SP trial due to excessive bashing and trolling that I found MUTE. lol
I enjoy all your posts so much and never take offense in disagreement.
<snipped>
This case is particularly hard for me to follow for many reasons but one is because I am also raising my 4 yr. old grandchild due to the fact that when I felt he was in danger.......I TOOK HIM! God Bless Caylee Anthony and may we never forget her Sunshine Song and goodness. IMO

God bless you for taking your GS and keeping him safe and secure.
If only someone had stood up for Caylee like you have done.
If only, if only, if only...
Now, if only the A's will tell the truth and show Caylee some respect!

[n/t]

His World Exclusive is now being held for a "king's ransom". :rolleyes:

Correct me if I'm wrong but if he already has possession of the video, wouldn't the money already have been paid? Ahhhhh the drama. Oh brother. :rolleyes:

[AMS]

Linda KB - she does not want to comment on the video because she has not seen the pictures where the body was found because they are ON THE SERVER and will be available next week.

Some other guest - Where's the water??

[msgatorslayer]

I know, I just watched them again on NG, and it gets wierder every time. I have a question that has puzzled me from the start of this: does anyone that anyone here knows actually talk like these people do?

I'm not just talking about when they are obviously trying to avoid being direct, but other times like when Casey said that she went to a "neutral place," or when any of them use the phrase "reach out to law enforcement." Their speech is filled with this kind of non-speak speak, and it just seems so odd to me. Anyone else have the same reaction?

BTW, MrsHudson, great post about what Cindy could have said to LE. :thumbup:

Evening, everyone.

It's all some kind of Anthony speak, as a family, I guess. No, I can't say that I know of anyone who talks like that. There is something weird about it. Especially the 'reach out' bit. I cringed everytime Lee said it. He said it, alot.

[Lavenia]

Hello everybody! I have been reading here for months but left the boards during the SP trial due to excessive bashing and trolling that I found MUTE. lol
I enjoy all your posts so much and never take offense in disagreement.
I am in a support group that helps parents with addiction issues concerning their children. I have been involved and lead this group for over 12 yrs. I have seen many, many parents who go "down the rabbit hole" when their kids are in trouble with the law. Denial is not a new phenomena at all but I also think the "live Caylee sightings" were being orchestrated by the defense to keep the GP in support of Casey and buying into the lies. Those "live Caylee sightings" had a very effective way of getting the DP off of the table and it worked quite well. MOO
This case is particularly hard for me to follow for many reasons but one is because I am also raising my 4 yr. old grandchild due to the fact that when I felt he was in danger.......I TOOK HIM! God Bless Caylee Anthony and may we never forget her Sunshine Song and goodness. IMO

Hello and welcome sorjam! :seeya:

[bluwaters]

Ask 5 people who know nothing about this case. Ask them who they think did it. Tell them a baby is found dead and her mother never reported her missing. Said mother then says the babysitter took her (who no one has met), the babysitter's phone number is on a phone (that mother conveniently lost). That's all you need IMO for a guilty verdict.

For me it's even more simple ...

31 Days

[AMS]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if he already has possession of the video, wouldn't the money already have been paid? Ahhhhh the drama. Oh brother. :rolleyes:

Well Geraldo made it sound like they were just contacted prior to going on air and could not air the video. He and his guests could view it in the studio and explain it.

The whole thing is totally ridiculous. For all we know they are watching Dora the Explorer.

I only turned him on to see if he apologized to the meter reader. I have not seen him do so.

IMO.

[MrsHudson]

I agree with this. George appears to be a terrible liar, and Cindy appears to be angry and vengeful (edited to avoid band camp) like her daughter. I really can't see any jury finding them believable or even commiserating with them. JMO.

Kind of tangential to that is:

You know that letter Cindy wrote to Casey on myspace where she talks about Casey not letting her see Caylee? I was reading it again and some things really stood out.

For one thing Cindy does nothing but praise herself and blame Casey. Cindy says, "All I am guilty of is blah blah blah."
Then she goes through a litany of things she has done for Caylee. She then gripes about Casey being ungrateful and jealous. Rather than coming out and saying, "Casey please bring Caylee home and we can talk and work this out." Cindy cuts Casey down, exonerates herself and generally makes Casey NOT want to bring Caylee home!

That letter is very passive aggressive I think. That relationship was very messed up

[~jomomma~]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if he already has possession of the video, wouldn't the money already have been paid? Ahhhhh the drama. Oh brother. :rolleyes:


i don't even know why i'm watching this.

[Lavenia]

I agree. Completely.

Skimming through today's posts I take it Cindy & George still have yet to receive the full immunity they desire.

Not yet! :blink:

[Lavenia]

Like that is somehow going to cause reasonable doubt.

First off... Kronk's expunged record won't make it to the jury.

Secondly... methinks Geraldo & Friends have no idea what the definition of the word 'reasonable' is.

I quit watching the claptrap. I call BS.

[Balesha]

For me it's even more simple ...

31 Days

I hope the prosecution hammers that home, especially in closing statements.

[marinewife5]

Linda KB - she does not want to comment on the video because she has not seen the pictures where the body was found because they are ON THE SERVER and will be available next week.

Some other guest - Where's the water??

all that tape shows is what he filmed...not what he didn't film(obviously)...does that make sense? it doesn't prove there wasn't water, it only proves he didn't film the water, which is logical if you consider they were looking for something specific, not evaluating search conditions. they filmed where they searched, and they searched where they could.
as I am not in posession of a "king's ransom" i guess i won't be able to get my own copy

jmo

[MrsHudson]

I think the grandparents will end up making the case against casey when they start asking about the events leading up to the car and the 911 call. The rest will fall into place.
jmo

I think their testimony is needed to establish Casey's frame of mind close to the time she did Caylee in. We need to hear that there was a fight, what it was about, what happened and how Casey reacted to it. That has to come from the grandparents.

[AMS]

GR - talking about the meter reader and the "impact of his shady background on his credibility.

ASking Linda KB if she will use Kronk's background against him on the stand. She said that hasn't been decided. But give him credit for finding the body.

[norwood]

But what do you think about the A's trademarking 'lil Caylee's name and such? I find it deplorable.

Well, maybe it is better than Baez trademarking it. Not much but still. And if they had not someone would have, just to get the money on any book, movie, etc. I don't like it but legally I can see why they did it.

[msgatorslayer]

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Jose can't even get his website working and he will be in charge of a secure server? :ohmy:

Scary, aye?

I reckon the State is unaware of this since it wasn't brought up. I'd be like, ah, Judge, the man can't get his links working on his personal web site and you want to put him in charge of a 'secure server' to host images of a 2 y.o childs remains which we are wanting to keep from being sold in rag mags.:thumbdown:

[n/t]

i don't even know why i'm watching this.

Have his guests finished watching it yet? :mellow:

[bluwaters]

Kind of tangential to that is:

You know that letter Cindy wrote to Casey on myspace where she talks about Casey not letting her see Caylee? I was reading it again and some things really stood out.

For one thing Cindy does nothing but praise herself and blame Casey. Cindy says, "All I am guilty of is blah blah blah."
Then she goes through a litany of things she has done for Caylee. She then gripes about Casey being ungrateful and jealous. Rather than coming out and saying, "Casey please bring Caylee home and we can talk and work this out." Cindy cuts Casey down, exonerates herself and generally makes Casey NOT want to bring Caylee home!

That letter is very passive aggressive I think. That relationship was very messed up
Oh MrsHudson - Once again you have nailed it.
That post is just a big pity party for Mrs. Anthony.
You are so right, it is me, me, me!!!
Of course, sadly, when she wrote that, Caylee was already dead.:(

[happygert]

WOW did my ears decieve me did GR just make a DIG at CONWAY"S CLIENTS??

[marinewife5]

Correct me if I'm wrong but if he already has possession of the video, wouldn't the money already have been paid? Ahhhhh the drama. Oh brother. :rolleyes:

LKB is on the show...perhaps that's the real reason they didn't air it.

jmo

[Lavenia]

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Jose can't even get his website working and he will be in charge of a secure server? :ohmy:

Isn't THAT something?

[nc1948]

Oh I agree.

And add in the forensics.....which from what little we've heard, are very powerful.....well, yeh, no doubt in my mind at all she'll be found guilty. NO doubt.

Not reporting her missing is a biggie.

[sorjam]

God bless you for taking your GS and keeping him safe and secure.
If only someone had stood up for Caylee like you have done.
If only, if only, if only...
Now, if only the A's will tell the truth and show Caylee some respect!

Blue Waters...I love to read you posts and thank you. It is never easy when one of our children makes a "wide left" turn from the way you have raised them but...my little guy is everything to me and had no choice in any of those matters. As I said in my post I am totally used to parents who are in denial, blame law inforcement, blame others rather than face the truth for a long period of time and some NEVER believe their kids have a problem....but all these LIES just don't add up for me at all unless somebody was "feeding" a vulnerable set of parents more lies to substantiate OC's lies. MOO

[Lavenia]

I noticed a few posters posting that they will never watch Geraldo again.

I'm not one of those posters. What if Roy Kronk does sue Geraldo & Fox News?

I would think most would like to see Geraldo respond on air. :)

He's just confusing me. I can't afford that, lol.

[MrsHudson]

Anyone else notice on the last LKL interview Cindy seemed so proud in discussing the photo from Fusion. "I have proof she was working".

Yes that was just one more weird thing! She was working her booty while Caylee was with kidnappers but that goes right over Cindy's head.

[AMS]

Back live on Geraldo - sources sy investogators have now established a time of death.

Michael Biden - do you think they can say with certainty the child was killed on 6/16 and deposted around 6/18? Biden - no, they can't say this with such accuracy. Now he is describing flies and maggots.

[bluwaters]

I think their testimony is needed to establish Casey's frame of mind close to the time she did Caylee in. We need to hear that there was a fight, what it was about, what happened and how Casey reacted to it. That has to come from the grandparents.

Will they do it? Even with immunity?
Will they acknowledge that they did not have a pleasant evening on June 15, ending when Cindy loving tucked Casey and Caylee into bed together?
What is George's time frame on June 16 again, when he saw Casey and Caylee leave together - just a normal day?
12:50 AM?
12:50 PM?
Will they tell the truth finally?
We can only hope...

[Lavenia]

But what do you think about the A's trademarking 'lil Caylee's name and such? I find it deplorable.

I'm waiting to see if there is some reason that I'm not aware of that might cause them to do this. If it IS the common reason, it is disgusting, and if it's not even done as is speculated, but faked, that, too is disgusting.

[norwood]

Not reporting her missing is a biggie.

See, if I was the prosecutor. In my opening and closing statement I would keep harping on the 31 days. I would open by saying something like: " Ladies and Gentlemen, the most important thing you need to remember through out this trial and when you are deliberating is 31 DAYS. If that doesn't convict her nothing else will imo

[SavannahStar]

Not reporting her missing is a biggie.

Not as big as the forensics, IMO. She sorta "explained" that not reporting in her interview with LE at Universal. Of course it's crazy, BUT she does have an explanation......and she also said in retrospect it was stupid. Maybe one dumb juror would buy that. But yeh, I agree, that's a biggie.

The forensics, though, NO ONE will be able to explain those away. And I am convinced they have a lot more than we know about, exactly. Hence the report yesterday.

[gaelicpeas]

Kind of tangential to that is:

You know that letter Cindy wrote to Casey on myspace where she talks about Casey not letting her see Caylee? I was reading it again and some things really stood out.

For one thing Cindy does nothing but praise herself and blame Casey. Cindy says, "All I am guilty of is blah blah blah."
Then she goes through a litany of things she has done for Caylee. She then gripes about Casey being ungrateful and jealous. Rather than coming out and saying, "Casey please bring Caylee home and we can talk and work this out." Cindy cuts Casey down, exonerates herself and generally makes Casey NOT want to bring Caylee home!

That letter is very passive aggressive I think. That relationship was very messed up
I completely agree. That is the most bizarre myspace posting I have ever seen. Very flowery language. So mommy-dearest... JMO

[AMS]

Michael Biden - By dating the bugs, you can date when the body was put there. Can tell approximately when body was put there. Not to exact day but to approximately a few days or a week.

Duct tape would be firmly against skin but should fall off when skin falls off.

if the body had been recovered when Kronk first reported it, there would have been more evidence.

Kimberly talking about chloroform evidence.

Other lawyer - we all want justice but let's make sure it is the right person.

[bluwaters]

Scary, aye?

I reckon the State is unaware of this since it wasn't brought up. I'd be like, ah, Judge, the man can't get his links working on his personal web site and you want to put him in charge of a 'secure server' to host images of a 2 y.o childs remains which we are wanting to keep from being sold in rag mags.:thumbdown:
Well, will the prosecution file an emergency hearing on Monday morning, requesting to oversight on Baez's secure server?
Citing the fact the GR somehow came into possession of this PI tape and Ms. Baden was a guest on his show watching it?

[happygert]

IS Baden interviewing for a job with his wife like on ps case? There was tape on her mouth...IMo there was still tissue on that tape.. If it comes down in the trial that there was not I will print post and eat my own words ..

[joolz]

I noticed a few posters posting that they will never watch Geraldo again.

I'm not one of those posters. What if Roy Kronk does sue Geraldo & Fox News?

I would think most would like to see Geraldo respond on air. :)


Thanks in advance, Sharky - I won't watch so please report back to me if/when the buffoon makes his reponse.:laugh:

[SavannahStar]

Michael Biden - By dating the bugs, you can date when the body was put there. Can tell approximately when body was put there. Not to exact day but to approximately a few days or a week.

Duct tape would be firmly against skin but should fall off when skin falls off.

if the body had been recovered when Kronk first reported it, there would have been more evidence.

Kimberly talking about chloroform evidence.

Other lawyer - we all want justice but let's make sure it is the right person.

Bolding mine. I've always said that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! :cursing:

[Lavenia]

Okay, I have Geraldo on in the background. I hope he quits covering this case because I can't quit watching anything about this case but his coverage sucks SO bad I don't want to see it!

Hi, My name's Lavenia and I'm an InSession Board Addict.:blink:

[happygert]

Michael Baden is going to be unpleasantly surprised come trial.

ITA!! LandShark..

[WillowInFlight]

i don't even know why i'm watching this.

I know what a waste, I understood him to say that to air the tape to the public he would have had to pay a fortune, also Biden is saying that the duct tape was not around the the mouth.

[bluwaters]

Blue Waters...I love to read you posts and thank you. It is never easy when one of our children makes a "wide left" turn from the way you have raised them but...my little guy is everything to me and had no choice in any of those matters. As I said in my post I am totally used to parents who are in denial, blame law inforcement, blame others rather than face the truth for a long period of time and some NEVER believe their kids have a problem....but all these LIES just don't add up for me at all unless somebody was "feeding" a vulnerable set of parents more lies to substantiate OC's lies. MOO
:blush: Aww, thanks.
I am so impressed with your point of view, which I had not considered.
I have been close to the denial and enabling in my own family.
"There are none so blind as those who will not see."
Welcome!:seeya:

[AMS]

GR is on to a new topic and I did not hear him apologize for slandering the meter reader earlier today. Why am I not surprised....

[Lavenia]

Wait. What? :D

Raise your hand Sharkie! :tonguewag:

[happygert]

Well, will the prosecution file an emergency hearing on Monday morning, requesting to oversight on Baez's secure server?
Citing the fact the GR somehow came into possession of this PI tape and Ms. Baden was a guest on his show watching it?

I think there will be a motion filed on Modny but i dont think that what it'll be about...Think NeJames will file one ON TES behalf. Tim supposed to be in FL tomorrow..

[steffaroob4]

Like LKB doesn't know if there was duct tape.

She said NOTHING, Baez has the pictures, if there was NO duct tape on the skull she would be screaming that from shore to shore this weekend.

[joolz]

Okay, I have Geraldo on in the background. I hope he quits covering this case because I can't quit watching anything about this case but his coverage sucks SO bad I don't want to see it!

Hi, My name's Lavenia and I'm an InSession Board Addict.:blink:


Off to the Padded Cranky Room with you!

I'm sorrry, I'm not quite sure I'm reading right: Cindy was shown the pix of Casey, ahem, dancing, at Fusian and claimed that was proof Casey was working? Is this really true? :blink:

[Lavenia]

Raising hand too. Don't post much but am addicted.

Hi Guitarded! I wish you did post more, I really enjoy your posts!

[WillowInFlight]

I noticed a few posters posting that they will never watch Geraldo again.

I'm not one of those posters. What if Roy Kronk does sue Geraldo & Fox News?

I would think most would like to see Geraldo respond on air. :)

He seemed a little more careful discussing Kronk tonight I thought.

[joolz]

And lets not forget, MrsHudson, who had Caylee the night casey went to the video store with TonyL. If Caylee wasn't with the grandparents, and wasn't with casey, then who was Caylee with? The grandparents would have to say whether Caylee was with them or not.
IMO


Very good point!

[AMS]

Off to the Padded Cranky Room with you!

I'm sorrry, I'm not quite sure I'm reading right: Cindy was shown the pix of Casey, ahem, dancing, at Fusian and claimed that was proof Casey was working? Is this really true? :blink:


Yep - when the GPs were on LKL, Larry asked them about the photos of Casey dancing while Caylee was missing. Cindy said something like there was only one picture that was actually taken during that time and she has proof that Casey was dancing (or doing whatever) to promote Fusian. She was working. IIRC.

[WillowInFlight]

Off to the Padded Cranky Room with you!

I'm sorrry, I'm not quite sure I'm reading right: Cindy was shown the pix of Casey, ahem, dancing, at Fusian and claimed that was proof Casey was working? Is this really true? :blink:

Thats what she said on LKL

[Lavenia]

Off to the Padded Cranky Room with you!

I'm sorrry, I'm not quite sure I'm reading right: Cindy was shown the pix of Casey, ahem, dancing, at Fusian and claimed that was proof Casey was working? Is this really true? :blink:

She WAS workin' it was she not? (Yes, she said that. <sigh>)

[happygert]

Michael Biden - By dating the bugs, you can date when the body was put there. Can tell approximately when body was put there. Not to exact day but to approximately a few days or a week.

Duct tape would be firmly against skin but should fall off when skin falls off.

if the body had been recovered when Kronk first reported it, there would have been more evidence.

Kimberly talking about chloroform evidence.

Other lawyer - we all want justice but let's make sure it is the right person.

IMO they will have picture of Caylee with tape over her mouth...The jury will more then likely get to see them.....Even Dr Baden on another show said DUCT TAPE is water proof could have been some tissue still on tape that would secure tape on mouth...(paraphrasing) Does anyone else remember that or what show it was on??

[WillowInFlight]

As opposed to four hours ago.

Exactly. I hope what he said earlier doesn't come back to bite him in the butt.

[bluwaters]

See, if I was the prosecutor. In my opening and closing statement I would keep harping on the 31 days. I would open by saying something like: " Ladies and Gentlemen, the most important thing you need to remember through out this trial and when you are deliberating is 31 DAYS. If that doesn't convict her nothing else will imo
I hear ya norwood.
Maybe ask them to consider what 31 days feels like if they are required to deliberate that long.
What parent hasn't lost sight of their child in public for a few moments?
31 seconds is about as long as it takes for the heart to start pounding in fear. 5 minutes searching seems an eternity and the voice in your head is screaming "Call the authorities NOW!"
Because, it doesn't matter if it is a false alarm or if it makes you look foolish when it is your child missing.
Believe me, next to the relieved parent, no one is happier than LE to have a happy ending to that call.

[norwood]

Yep - when the GPs were on LKL, Larry asked them about the photos of Casey dancing while Caylee was missing. Cindy said something like there was only one picture that was actually taken during that time and she has proof that Casey was dancing (or doing whatever) to promote Fusian. She was working. IIRC.
CA also said that Casey was Mother of the Year, and working for Universal. Among many other things that turned out to be a stranger of the truth.

[Lavenia]

Would you rather George and Cindy trademark her name, or some other person who does not know her?

That's what I'm sayin', I don't know the ins and outs of the reasons behind this. If it's just to block others I'm okay with it, if it's to cash in, I'm not. Only time will tell.

[WillowInFlight]

On Geraldo they were talking about the prosecution saying they believe the baby was murdered on or around 16th and they can prove it. I'll bet they'll be able to with plant and but evidence. They know the body was undisturbed for all of that time.

ITA, I would like to see how the defense is going to try and prove that the body was planted there a week or so before it was found, I hope they aren't going to rely on a flimsy tape.

[MrsHudson]

This is so logical. Exactly what I think should have happened. I too wonder why she let this go on for 31 days.

Logic is our friend! :cool:

Because she is a control freak who thought she could handle it herself, without bringing in the authorities who might then investigate Casey's fitness for motherhood. Or maybe because Casey has something on her or a family member to reveal if she thinks she's being threatened. Maybe it because Casey's growing out of control and increasing theft and lies was a secret she wanted kept in the immediate family.

Whatever the reason she put other concerns ahead of Caylees' safety. I mean 31 days Caylee had no clothes, toys or her own bed and comforts! It's too bad she did not call the authorities sooner. She would probably feel much better knowing she did what she could.

[joolz]

Yep - when the GPs were on LKL, Larry asked them about the photos of Casey dancing while Caylee was missing. Cindy said something like there was only one picture that was actually taken during that time and she has proof that Casey was dancing (or doing whatever) to promote Fusian. She was working. IIRC.

Another jaw-dropping Anthony moment - how amazingly bizarre.:eek:

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe Geraldo doesn't feel as if has slandered Mr. Kronk. Wasn't it a mispoken word that is causing this controversy?

Yes but he never corrected himself.

[Lavenia]

Maybe Geraldo doesn't feel as if has slandered Mr. Kronk. Wasn't it a mispoken word that is causing this controversy?

How difficult would it be to apologize for mistaking the word RAPE for kidnapping and letting the show go off the air before the "mistake" is caught?

[GentleBreeze]

How difficult would it be to apologize for mistaking the word RAPE for kidnapping and letting the show go off the air before the "mistake" is caught?

Geraldo is a buffoon.

I hope Mr. K sues him.

imoo

[norwood]

I can't imagine trademarking a name of a deceased relative period. Do you know people who have done so? Do you think it is normal? I'm sure most of us on this thread have lost loved ones without trademarks. moo


None of us are notroius and probably not our relatives either. No reason to trademark. This case has garnered so much media attention that Caylee, Casey, and the Anthony's are now notroius. Notice I did not use the words famous, celebrity, etc.

[Lavenia]

How does one confuse the word 'rape' with 'kidnapping?'

You know, it's got all those confusing letter thingys in it. :rolleyes:

[101Spots]

Well that might put a whole new slant on things. I thought the rights belong to Casey to assign to whomever she wanted. Someone else said the photographer owns the rights and now there is the possibility Cindy does. :shrug: With her notoriety I'm thinking they might be worth a lot and I wonder about a defense budget...

Jumping back in here late....

The photographer owns the images - they are his work product and copyrighted. He can sell prints of the photos to anyone, but buying a photo does not mean that the buyer owns the negative. The buyer - unless agreement beforehand is reached - may not reproduce the photo, as the image is copyrighted to the photographer.

[bluwaters]

Michael Baden is going to be unpleasantly surprised come trial.
Giving credit where credit is due - I grudgingly congratulate the Gators on their National Championship.
However, one area where the Gators really shine is in entomology and botany. It is the University of Florida after all. They know more about bugs and plants than just about anyone.
Those forensic scientists from Gatorville are serious about their research.
They are not seeking fame and fortune.
They are highly specialized in their fields of study.
They know what they are talking about and they have the data and reports to back it up.
I think that they will blow Dr. Baden's testimony away.
even if they are Gators

[MrsHudson]

And George had Casey in the Garage on the 24, Instead of calling the police about missing gas cans. He maybe should have said tell us where Caylee is now or I'm calling the police on you.

Exactly! I think the police would have acted too. Especially if G and C had told them that Casey had been spiraling out of control had no money and was stealing from them and they did not know where Caylee was sleeping, or why her mother had taken her away without her clothes, shoes, socks, toys, blanket and diapers! They just evidently did not want to call the cops on Casey.

[AbbyNormal]

Yes that was just one more weird thing! She was working her booty while Caylee was with kidnappers but that goes right over Cindy's head.Hi Mrs. Hudson ~ (Really agree with you last post by the way)!

I wanted to comment on Casey's partying those 31 days. Sometimes I think maybe Casey was partying, not as much because Caylee was out of her life -- but more because Cindy was out of her life.

Cindy and Casey seem to have such a malignant competitiveness between them. It wouldn't surprise me any to learn her relief was more related to freedom from Cindy than freedom from Caylee.

Well, that, and -- the girl just loved to party.

[WillowInFlight]

I didn't hear Baden say that.

He went on to explain how the tape would have nothing to be attached to. And I never heard him mention the hair that was suppose to be attached to the tape.

[joolz]

I don't know what could possibly have made me think of this just now, but just a gentle reminder to:

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[norwood]

Well, if you think about it, lets say George and cindy trademarked the name, could Casey sue them, since she is next of kin, she gets the rights?


No, she can not. Anyone has the right to file for a trademark on anything. You don't even have to own the product or be the person.

[Lavenia]

Of course its to cash in.

You've seen Cindy's application for the incorporation of The Caylee Marie Anthony™ Foundation™, haven't you?

LALALALALALA! FINGERS IN EARS! I can't believe this! I know, I know, I just can't wrap my mind around this yet! I'm still looking for benign explanations, give me my denial. Santa Claus doesn't want me to go there yet. :wink:

[bonnieb]

I hardly ever post, but tonight I came here to vent. I need to.
I just watched Geraldo and I came close to thowing up.
I have been grieving for Caylee and am watching the legal actions of everything. But on his show tonight that excerpt of bugs was totally unnessary.
They are forgetting about this beautiful child and making a mockery of her.
I wish they would stop! I will never watch it again.

GIVE CAYLEE THE DIGNITY SHE DESERVES!!!!

[WillowInFlight]

The plant growth evidence will be compelling.

JMO

Yes it will be, they said the growth was growing up through the remains.

[MrsHudson]

Yes it was a great post, Mrs. Hudson. :thumbsup:

Thanks all, thanks a bunch!

[happygert]

Kind of tangential to that is:

You know that letter Cindy wrote to Casey on myspace where she talks about Casey not letting her see Caylee? I was reading it again and some things really stood out.

For one thing Cindy does nothing but praise herself and blame Casey. Cindy says, "All I am guilty of is blah blah blah."
Then she goes through a litany of things she has done for Caylee. She then gripes about Casey being ungrateful and jealous. Rather than coming out and saying, "Casey please bring Caylee home and we can talk and work this out." Cindy cuts Casey down, exonerates herself and generally makes Casey NOT want to bring Caylee home!

That letter is very passive aggressive I think. That relationship was very messed up

you hit the nail on the head...IMO is BOTH cindy and casey were all about themselves and Caylee was used.. NEITHER one could put Caylee needs first because they have to be front and center.Cindy was jealous of Casey casey was jealous of Caylee.. IMO those 31 days that casey was gone was like a dream come true for cindy...neither one under her feet.. IMO cindy wanted to talk to caylee because she did miss her.. But it was more like to talk to her to get caylee wanting to go see cindy just to upset casey... Caylee was the tug of war rope....JMHO

[msgatorslayer]

The plant growth evidence will be compelling.

JMO

Yes. It will.

[MrsHudson]

oh yeah right.. how can you misuse the funds and not mean to??

Does anyone but me think this is odd. PI's videoing, shoveling, probing area where Caylee was found a month before Caylee's found.. CA and GA still asking for donations for searches,. LP searching J Blanchard park.all in Nov.. Cindy and George throwing fits about the searches.. Tim back in Nov goes to the spot to try and do another search still under water.. C n G doing interviews still asking for donations hop on Plane to do LKL. The next Morning Caylee's body is found..
Lawyer waiting on C n G when they get off plane...IMMEDIATLEY not a peep out of C or G.. Immidietly ATTORNEY asking for immunity or C and G will not talk.. and STILL HAVE NOT HEARD A PEEP OUT OF THEM.....Except that short little statement G made.......

Extremely odd! I am so curious about the immunity especially.

[?noanswer]

ITA, I would like to see how the defense is going to try and prove that the body was planted there a week or so before it was found, I hope they aren't going to rely on a flimsy tape.

There was a defense atty. on GR. He said there is no way to tell where that tape was made. Could have been China. Just small things, no big area shown. But when GR started talking about Kronk, he started yelling "shady, shady, shady" in the background. I have to give LKB credit. She did not diss RK. Said by him finding the body, it gave the family closure. She also said she could not tell if the tape was from crime scene as she had not seen the crime scene pictures. Oh yes, in the beginning, GR said the tape was time stamped Dec. 15th. When Brad Conway came on, he mentioned it to GR and GR seemed confused. Went to break! KGN says the cholorform would be the aggravating factor for 1st degree. Dr. Baden said the bug, plant evidence alone would not give a good time frame for death, but combined with other evidence the time could be established within a week or so. JMO

[Lavenia]

Jumping back in here late....

The photographer owns the images - they are his work product and copyrighted. He can sell prints of the photos to anyone, but buying a photo does not mean that the buyer owns the negative. The buyer - unless agreement beforehand is reached - may not reproduce the photo, as the image is copyrighted to the photographer.

Got it! I thought maybe Casey could transfer the right for her defense but I see that's not possible. Good.

[WillowInFlight]

There was a defense atty. on GR. He said there is no way to tell where that tape was made. Could have been China. Just small things, no big area shown. But when GR started talking about Kronk, he started yelling "shady, shady, shady" in the background. I have to give LKB credit. She did not diss RK. Said by him finding the body, it gave the family closure. She also said she could not tell if the tape was from crime scene as she had not seen the crime scene pictures. Oh yes, in the beginning, GR said the tape was time stamped Dec. 15th. When Brad Conway came on, he mentioned it to GR and GR seemed confused. Went to break! KGN says the cholorform would be the aggravating factor for 1st degree. Dr. Baden said the bug, plant evidence alone would not give a good time frame for death, but combined with other evidence the time could be established within a week or so. JMO
I loved how she said she was a little shocked to be viewing the tape on his show.

[dixie77]

Would you prefer someone like Lenny start marketing and selling little Caylee Marie skeleton dolls, in order to make a profit?

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Thats a terrible thing to say.

[bluwaters]

And lets not forget, MrsHudson, who had Caylee the night casey went to the video store with TonyL. If Caylee wasn't with the grandparents, and wasn't with casey, then who was Caylee with? The grandparents would have to say whether Caylee was with them or not.
IMO
They have already said that she was not with them.
Cindy last saw them on the evening of the 15th when she tucked Caylee and Casey into bed.
George last saw them at 12:50 (PM) on the 16th when they left - Casey for work, Caylee to the 'nanny.'

[norwood]

Name one instance that this has every happenened ONE!

Is this to go with the Susan Smith children dolls? Trenton Ducket?
Jon Benet Ramsey?

This has to be one of the most pathetic things I've ever read to justify Caylee's name being trademarked.


Considering the people involved in this case I would not put anything past them.

I feel that the trademark is to make sure that no one can make any money from a movie or book with out paying a licensing fee to them for the use of the name etc of Caylee.

The example given was extreme but did make a point.

[gaelicpeas]

Maybe Geraldo doesn't feel as if has slandered Mr. Kronk. Wasn't it a mispoken word that is causing this controversy?
You consider accusing someone of rape a "mispoken word"??

[Lavenia]

:eek:blu slowly takes 12 steps backwards and runs for a drink!
BRB!

Oops! :laugh:

[gaelicpeas]

Would you prefer someone like Lenny start marketing and selling little Caylee Marie skeleton dolls, in order to make a profit?

That comment of yours is completely out of line, IMO.

[norwood]

I know you didn't imply that.

I was responding to Scoo...er... Recidivist.

Someone like Leonard?

Do tell. What is Leonard like?


He is not a family member. I used "like Leonard" because the other poster had used it. Sorry.

[*Serenity*]

I was reflecting back over this case and decided to take a look at the many changes of KC walking into court shackled...! The link with the pic numbers below show her changes up to date. This reminds me of all the changes SPeterson went through. eek


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery

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my numbers below the link actually make me feel sick.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-photos-casey-anthony-evidence-092608,0,4094357.photogallery

15 (( just makes me sick))
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[WillowInFlight]

Since Geraldo said the Grand Jury dismissed the accusations (lack of better term) against Mr. Kronk I doubt it'll be an issue. Charged does not mean guiley by any means.

Actually Kimberly was very quick to point that out as soon as Geraldo mentioned kidnapping.

[Neffy]

Considering the people involved in this case I would not put anything past them.

I feel that the trademark is to make sure that no one can make any money from a movie or book with out paying a licensing fee to them for the use of the name etc of Caylee.

The example given was extreme but did make a point.

I'm really shocked to hear you say this. Expected from 20 nics though.

Do you think this could be done. What happened to OJ when he went to market his book. You do see how far that got.

There is one instance I named why this would NEVER be a possibility.

Recite one instance where it has.

[gaelicpeas]

Giving credit where credit is due - I grudgingly congratulate the Gators on their National Championship.
However, one area where the Gators really shine is in entomology and botany. It is the University of Florida after all. They know more about bugs and plants than just about anyone.
Those forensic scientists from Gatorville are serious about their research.
They are not seeking fame and fortune.
They are highly specialized in their fields of study.
They know what they are talking about and they have the data and reports to back it up.
I think that they will blow Dr. Baden's testimony away.
even if they are Gators
As a gator alumna, ITA! Great research departments there (in addition to their athletics), and I believe their work on this case will help immensely. Go Gators!

[MrsHudson]

I know, I just watched them again on NG, and it gets wierder every time. I have a question that has puzzled me from the start of this: does anyone that anyone here knows actually talk like these people do?

I'm not just talking about when they are obviously trying to avoid being direct, but other times like when Casey said that she went to a "neutral place," or when any of them use the phrase "reach out to law enforcement." Their speech is filled with this kind of non-speak speak, and it just seems so odd to me. Anyone else have the same reaction?

BTW, MrsHudson, great post about what Cindy could have said to LE. :thumbup:

Thanks! No I don't know a family that talks like they do. And the "reach out" stuff gave me the heebie jeebies too. It makes me very uncomfortable to watch those jail house tapes. So much phony baloney going on there.

I think they were walking on tippy toe around Casey because they were afraid she would blow her stack and then LE would know how irritable and tempermental she is and that would make LE think she was capable of hurting Caylee.

[WillowInFlight]

It is a terrible thing to say, but not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen, had Caylee's name not been protected.

Where have you ever seen a case that, that was done?

[PROPROS]

He's just confusing me. I can't afford that, lol.Evening all...I can see many posts regarding GR....I am so sick of hearing him say that the state will have a hard time proving murder 1...At least he didn't start with the theory that Caylee may have died choking on a piece of gum.mo

[norwood]

I'm really shocked to hear you say this. Expected from 20 nics though.

Do you think this could be done. What happened to OJ when he went to market his book. You do see how far that got.

There is one instance I named why this would NEVER be a possibility.

Recite one instance where it has.


Neffy I am not saying that some one is going to make some kind of sick doll. I was just trying to say, obviously not well, that they trademarked the name so no one but them could make money from it. Does that make sense? If there is ever any money made from a book or a movie about this whole case, because of the trademark who ever does the movie or the book will have to pay a licensing fee to use the name.

Sorry if I am not being clear and upsetting people I will drop the subject now.
:blushing:

[Lavenia]

Evening all...I can see many posts regarding GR....I am so sick of hearing him say that the state will have a hard time proving murder 1...At least he didn't start with the theory that Caylee may have died choking on a piece of gum.mo

He's just the most ridiculous thing ever. To say just because her body doesn't show a COD that it's worse than not having a body at all? That doesn't even make sense.

[happygert]

Exactly! I think the police would have acted too. Especially if G and C had told them that Casey had been spiraling out of control had no money and was stealing from them and they did not know where Caylee was sleeping, or why her mother had taken her away without her clothes, shoes, socks, toys, blanket and diapers! They just evidently did not want to call the cops on Casey.

IMO Cindy just used Caylee to try and control casey.. IMO cindy really didnt want custody of Caylee or she would have already tooks steps to secure Caylee's well being.. How many hours did Cindy really spend with Caylee on a daily basis?? IMO not too many if Cindy left for work around 8 in am and didnt get home until 5:30 or 6:00 and Caylee's bedtime was i think 7 lets say 8.. how much time did cindy really spend with her?.. Yes she had plenty of toys and such but IMO they were just things.. Things dont add up to love..over compensation for lack of time spent with them imo..
IMO Cindy and casey are JUST alike... Both jealous of their CHILDREN...
MY ex's famliy gave him and his sister everything NEVER ONCE DID I EVER hear his parents say I LOVE YOU to either of them.. or to there grandkids...To this day still haven't, ....

[Neffy]

Sorry if you feel offended. Unfortunately things like this happen in today's world.

Fortunately they don't. This is out of the realm of possiblity.

Apology not excepted.

[dixie77]

They have already said that she was not with them.
Cindy last saw them on the evening of the 15th when she tucked Caylee and Casey into bed.
George last saw them at 12:50 (PM) on the 16th when they left - Casey for work, Caylee to the 'nanny.'
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Its hard to believe that Cindy tucked Casey and Caylee into bed on the same night as the big fight.

[summer4meplz]

It is a terrible thing to say, but not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen, had Caylee's name not been protected.

IMO it IS beyond the realm of possibility.....that's a disgusting thing to say

[gaelicpeas]

Not really, there is a market for such.....

so it's not out of the realm of possibility that a person might do such that was unrelated.....

it's sick, but people buy murder memorabilia.....

You and I might not buy such, but people are making money off of it
Suggesting Lenny Padilla would do such a thing is slanderous, IMO.

[Lavenia]

Thanks for the helpul advice, but I said "someone like Lenny". That could mean any number of people.

Why Lenny? I'm not a big fan of Lenny but I never would have put him in with a group of folks who would think up anything so macabre, crass, gross, etc. He's not evil and ready to throw away his entire career, which is what he would do if he carried out such a stupid stunt. Using him to illustrate your point was a poor choice, IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

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Its hard to believe that Cindy tucked Casey and Caylee into bed on the same night as the big fight.

And George said that Monday was like a normal day, though the first he saw the pair was when they were leaving, So Caylee was never fed breakfast? She was always tucked away in the bedroom until it was leaving time?. I don't believe for a second George saw either of them that day.

[bluwaters]

As a gator alumna, ITA! Great research departments there (in addition to their athletics), and I believe their work on this case will help immensely. Go Gators!
They are on top of this science and the jurors in Orlando (or anywhere in Florida) know it!
Go Noles!

[Neffy]

Neffy I am not saying that some one is going to make some kind of sick doll. I was just trying to say, obviously not well, that they trademarked the name so no one but them could make money from it. Does that make sense? If there is ever any money made from a book or a movie about this whole case, because of the trademark who ever does the movie or the book will have to pay a licensing fee to use the name.

Sorry if I am not being clear and upsetting people I will drop the subject now.
:blushing:

Please except my apology as I was probably already incensed at the gall to log onto a message board and see what excuse someone posted to hold their position.

That said, I will have to strongly disagree with you.

It's my belief society as a whole is outraged when anything happens to a child especially a murdered child.

Only one reason to trademark a name. That is so the person trademarking it can make money.

[summer4meplz]

Sorry if you feel offended. Unfortunately things like this happen in today's world.


can you think of even ONE example of the body of a murdered child that was made into a doll and someone profited? the answer is NO....

[101Spots]

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Lavenia posed for that.

[WillowInFlight]

I wouldn't have expected people to park themselves outside the Anthony home and scream baby killer, or for a parent to put a sign on their kid saying "Why would you kill someone like me".... etc. But things like this happen in today's world.

Those people were trying to send a wake up call to Casey. I don't blame them for screaming the truth.

[dixie77]

It is a terrible thing to say, but not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen, had Caylee's name not been protected.
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Why couldnt u have used a better example to get your point across?
Like maybe "to keep people from making a beautiful Lil Caylee doll".

[PROPROS]

For me it's even more simple ...

31 DaysAgree....A responsible pet owner would put up a sign or notice if their fuzzy friend was missing.mo

[Lavenia]

Lavenia posed for that.

:laugh: But the photographer has the rights! (See what I learned tonight?)

[happygert]

Extremely odd! I am so curious about the immunity especially.

So am I....

[PROPROS]

'

Jose can't even get his website working and he will be in charge of a secure server? :ohmy:Or responsible for Caylee's memorial.:confused:mo

[msgatorslayer]

I'm looking back through the remain site photos.

I see Potato Vines, Elephant Ears, and Ferns. Along with the obvious trees, pine needle ground cover, and patches of grass.

Those Potato Vines are majorly envasive. Ears and ferns thrive in moist, darker conditions. No wonder plants grew through Caylee's remains.:crying:

[AbbyNormal]

Would you prefer someone like Lenny start marketing and selling little Caylee Marie skeleton dolls, in order to make a profit?Your name must be Legion ~ for you are many

[summer4meplz]

I can think of a case that it probably would have happened, if the name hadn't been protected.

Danilyn.


Danylyn is a beautiful LIVING child.....huge difference.....(talk about ppl that can't admit to making a mistake....sheesh...scooby.....)

[Neffy]

I didn't imply that at all. But it is plain sick that you would suggest I did imply it.

The name was trademarked to prevent anybody from doing such a thing.


You didn't imply it. You stated it. Someone like Lenny. Who else is like Lenny. What type of person does that.

I know of NONE.

I do know a slanderous statement when I read one. It's not only sick but disturbing YOU posted it.

[WillowInFlight]

I can think of a case that it probably would have happened, if the name hadn't been protected.

Danilyn.

There would have been no skeletal dolls made of Dannilynn, and you know that, any likeness of her would have been beautiful.

[dixie77]

And George said that Monday was like a normal day, though the first he saw the pair was when they were leaving, So Caylee was never fed breakfast? She was always tucked away in the bedroom until it was leaving time?. I don't believe for a second George saw either of them that day.
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I agree with u, Willow. Can u imagine a 2 year old child staying in the bedroom without coming out until they left the house? Never happened that way. JMO

[MrsHudson]

Oh MrsHudson - Once again you have nailed it.
That post is just a big pity party for Mrs. Anthony.
You are so right, it is me, me, me!!!
Of course, sadly, when she wrote that, Caylee was already dead.:(

Uh huh! Yes Cindy is essentially saying EVERYTHING is Casey's fault. Cindy is perfect, Casey is flawed. Would that make you want to come back? It would not make me want to go back it would make me feel like there was no use trying to work things out.

[bluwaters]

I can think of a case that it probably would have happened, if the name hadn't been protected.

Danilyn.
Danilyn has been murdered? :scared:
When did this happen?

I can only hope that Caylee's name is protected out of respect for her, not to exploit her. Time will tell.

[norwood]

Please except my apology as I was probably already incensed at the gall to log onto a message board and see what excuse someone posted to hold their position.

That said, I will have to strongly disagree with you.

It's my belief society as a whole is outraged when anything happens to a child especially a murdered child.

Only one reason to trademark a name. That is so the person trademarking it can make money.
And I agree that the Anthony's did it just for that reason, to make money off of the name. At the same time they did the trademark it kept someone else from being able to make money from the name.
If anyone does not believe that their is a market for such horrible, disgusting things as crime scene photos, autopsy photos, dirt from crime scenes, items that were personal possessions of victims, and many other things should visit eBay and a lot of web sites that do that very thing. Sell these items. Do I agree with it, no. I find it disgusting, but the market is there and that is why people sell the items. There are some people out there that collect these things.

I do apologize if I have hurt your feeling or offended you or anyone else.

[happygert]

It is a terrible thing to say, but not out of the realm of possibility that it could happen, had Caylee's name not been protected.

LOL YOU CAN"T TRADEMARK A NAME!!!!!:lol:

[Neffy]

I didn't read that the poster was saying Lenny would do it....

but the poster was asking how another poster would feel if someone like Lenny decided to trademark the name....

How would you feel? Would you attack the grandparents for once again not protecting Caylee?

Let's make a list shall we of people LIKE Lenny.

1. Lenny
2. ?

Lenny isn't who this child needed protection from.

[Lavenia]

My hesitation in deriding the Ants for TMing Caylee's name is I'm not sure what that some slick attorney didn't counsel them into doing this. I can just hear a lawyer laying out a case for doing it and telling them how it would be a protection for her name and so on. That's why I'm taking a wait and see approach.

[MrsHudson]

Will they do it? Even with immunity?
Will they acknowledge that they did not have a pleasant evening on June 15, ending when Cindy loving tucked Casey and Caylee into bed together?
What is George's time frame on June 16 again, when he saw Casey and Caylee leave together - just a normal day?
12:50 AM?
12:50 PM?
Will they tell the truth finally?
We can only hope...

We will all be on the edge of our seats on that long awaited day!

[WillowInFlight]

Dannielynn is alive & well.

And Gorgeous!!

[marinewife5]

Neffy I am not saying that some one is going to make some kind of sick doll. I was just trying to say, obviously not well, that they trademarked the name so no one but them could make money from it. Does that make sense? If there is ever any money made from a book or a movie about this whole case, because of the trademark who ever does the movie or the book will have to pay a licensing fee to use the name.

Sorry if I am not being clear and upsetting people I will drop the subject now.
:blushing:
http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm

"A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name"

according to this website, someone would have to market the same caylee-related products as the anthony's to claim trademark infringement. also seems like there would be several loopholes (e.g. casey's daughter, baby caylee, etc) in fact, seeing this definition, i'm even more disgusted that anyone trademarked her name.

jmo

[101Spots]

:laugh: But the photographer has the rights! (See what I learned tonight?)

Think of the royalties you missed out on. If you had just hired a savvy attorney, like ......... Jose Baez!

[msgatorslayer]

The protesters are the best thing that ever happened for the prosecution of Casey. As it turns out, she does know how to dial 911. :tonguewag:

"They need to be arrested":tongueside: From the lips of the odious one.

[Lavenia]

Think of the royalties you missed out on. If you had just hired a savvy attorney, like ......... Jose Baez!

Yanno, money isn't everything! :laugh:

[MrsHudson]

And lets not forget, MrsHudson, who had Caylee the night casey went to the video store with TonyL. If Caylee wasn't with the grandparents, and wasn't with casey, then who was Caylee with? The grandparents would have to say whether Caylee was with them or not.
IMO

Ohhh yeah I did not think of that!

[norwood]

http://www.uspto.gov/web/offices/tac/tmfaq.htm

"A trademark includes any word, name, symbol, or device, or any combination, used, or intended to be used, in commerce to identify and distinguish the goods of one manufacturer or seller from goods manufactured or sold by others, and to indicate the source of the goods. In short, a trademark is a brand name"

according to this website, someone would have to market the same caylee-related products as the anthony's to claim trademark infringement. also seems like there would be several loopholes (e.g. casey's daughter, baby caylee, etc) in fact, seeing this definition, i'm even more disgusted that anyone trademarked her name.

jmoI trademarked a name and a product my self.

[happygert]

I agree with happygert that things do not equate necessarily to love. Plenty of dysfunctional families with nice accoutrements around them. It can be appearances. When there's a baby murdered you have to look deeper than that superficial facade that anyone can have with credit.

Exactly.....

[happygert]

Yes. A name can be trademarked.

A name can't be copyrighted. ;)

Ok what are they going to do with every kid out here that named Caylee? make them change it or sue them?? Ok sorry LandShark... misread.......The only one who seem to be profitting off of a dead little girl is her own family anyway.IMO

[MrsHudson]

Off to the Padded Cranky Room with you!

I'm sorrry, I'm not quite sure I'm reading right: Cindy was shown the pix of Casey, ahem, dancing, at Fusian and claimed that was proof Casey was working? Is this really true? :blink:

Yes it is really and truly true!

[101Spots]

My hesitation in deriding the Ants for TMing Caylee's name is I'm not sure what that some slick attorney didn't counsel them into doing this. I can just hear a lawyer laying out a case for doing it and telling them how it would be a protection for her name and so on. That's why I'm taking a wait and see approach.

So where does that leave Caylee Marie Anthony, 46, of San Francisco, CA? Can she not ever sign her own name without paying George a fee?

I'm leaning towards happygert's explanation. Names can't be trademarked.

Although I have no personal knowledge about this matter.

[101Spots]

Yanno, money isn't everything! :laugh:

Yes, money can't buy happiness. But it can buy the things that make you happy. :tonguewag:

[MrsHudson]

MrsHudson, Have you seen FBI/Cindy interview? Tape #5 or 6 not sure which. Cindy tells FBI Casey was never gone for the 31 days; they just told the public that. Makes me wonder why the drama of communicating thru letters. I've wondered if a lot of the likes of that is pretense. I'm wondering did they set the whole thing up? 31 days is ample time to set up a coverup for their dtr.

What? Oh my! Well I knew Casey came home a few times (but Caylee was gone for 31 days.) So yeah why the letter thing! That's a darn good question!! :ohmy:

[Lavenia]

So where does that leave Caylee Marie Anthony, 46, of San Francisco, CA? Can she not ever sign her own name without paying George a fee?

I'm leaning towards happygert's explanation. Names can't be trademarked.

Although I have no personal knowledge about this matter.

I don't have a clue about any of this trademark stuff. I'm totally in the dark. I could just see how an attorney could have confused me about this kind of stuff and that's why I'm wondering if that's what happened to the Ants. I'm just "talking" to hear my head rattle. :blink:

[marinewife5]

I trademarked a name and a product my self.

i never said they couldn't trademark it...:shrug:

[dixie77]

Was it ever confirmed that Casey signed over Caylee's remains to Baez for burial?

[Lavenia]

Yes, money can't buy happiness. But it can buy the things that make you happy. :tonguewag:

Touche' my pal, Touche'! :thumbsup:

[norwood]

i never said they couldn't trademark it...:shrug:

I was only agreeing with you by saying that I had done a trademark of a name and product.

[happygert]

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I agree with u, Willow. Can u imagine a 2 year old child staying in the bedroom without coming out until they left the house? Never happened that way. JMO

I agree and not making a sound on top of that.. Nope and you noticed GA had no problem say Caylee knew how to Turn dvd palyer and tv on.. BUT NOT ONE word Of saying he heard it on ....I have a 2 year old GS when he awake EVERYONES UP.....

[marinewife5]

I was only agreeing with you by saying that I had done a trademark of a name and product.

ahh...sometimes i think i post in a confusing way and thought maybe that's what had happened.

bottom line is, NO ONE should make money off of caylee. PERIOD.

[*MoonRider*]

Hello all and goodnight. Just found this. :thumbsup:
Next up on my whipping block has to be the legal team defending Casey Anthony. Jose Baez is at best an ambulance chaser, in my mind the only reason for taking on this case was for the publicity. Even that has backfired on him. Being stupid in front of your buddies at the local watering hole is bad enough, being stupid in front of millions of viewers is an entirely different problem. Jose Baez may be quite good at getting a quick settlement out of an insurance company for a fender bender, or be able to negotiate a plea bargain on a parking ticket, but his Courtroom experience is almost zero, and his batting average on big wins is so small that you would require an electron microscope to register it.
http://www.bloggernews.net/118360

[happygert]

Please except my apology as I was probably already incensed at the gall to log onto a message board and see what excuse someone posted to hold their position.

That said, I will have to strongly disagree with you.

It's my belief society as a whole is outraged when anything happens to a child especially a murdered child.

Only one reason to trademark a name. That is so the person trademarking it can make money.

E X A C T L Y!!!!...And the ones making the money are the ones who were supposed to love and PROTECT HER..

[Neffy]

No, he didn't. I think he even snickered a little.

Is there no bottom to what your posting tonight?

[MrsHudson]

Hi Mrs. Hudson ~ (Really agree with you last post by the way)!

I wanted to comment on Casey's partying those 31 days. Sometimes I think maybe Casey was partying, not as much because Caylee was out of her life -- but more because Cindy was out of her life.

Cindy and Casey seem to have such a malignant competitiveness between them. It wouldn't surprise me any to learn her relief was more related to freedom from Cindy than freedom from Caylee.

Well, that, and -- the girl just loved to party.

Whoah AbbyNormal (love that name) that is a great point! I think to this day Casey is glad to have them out of her life.

[MrsHudson]

LALALALALALA! FINGERS IN EARS! I can't believe this! I know, I know, I just can't wrap my mind around this yet! I'm still looking for benign explanations, give me my denial. Santa Claus doesn't want me to go there yet. :wink:

Ahahahah! funny! :laugh:

[nc1948]

Raise your hand Sharkie! :tonguewag:

:seeya: Raising my hand.

[Neffy]

I can name many in this case like Lenny....

It would be someone involved in the case.....like D. Casey.....Hoover.....Baez......

there are so many like Lenny...

anyone looking for a buck.....or attention...like that woman that seemed to appear everywhere.

So many unrelated people that have gained more than they have put into this case.

So these are the skeleton doll makers you've grouped?

I had more respect for your posts.

[Lavenia]

I won't be hurt if you decide to utilize your ignore function.


Will there be a repeat of Geraldo again tonight?

Not if prayer works.

[Lavenia]

:seeya: Raising my hand.

Hi nc1948! :seeya: :thumbsup:

[mosey?]

And George said that Monday was like a normal day, though the first he saw the pair was when they were leaving, So Caylee was never fed breakfast? She was always tucked away in the bedroom until it was leaving time?. I don't believe for a second George saw either of them that day.The cell phone records show her in the area of the house all night and the next morning, but that doesnt neccessarily mean she was IN the house. What clinched it for me (that George didn't actually see Casey and Caylee that morning) was that a call FROM the Anthony's land-line, placed to Casey's cell at 7:45am on the 16th (she didn't answer it)

She wasnt at Tony's. They were texting most the night.
And wasn't she seen in the parking lot of some hotel that night around midnight. Do we know which one? I wonder if it was close to the house.

[MrsHudson]

Would you prefer someone like Lenny start marketing and selling little Caylee Marie skeleton dolls, in order to make a profit?

That sounds like something that would be portrayed on an episode of South Park. :ohmy:

[AbbyNormal]

Whoah AbbyNormal (love that name) that is a great point! I think to this day Casey is glad to have them out of her life.Casey did say she felt safer in jail.....

(Thx about the name. Remember the movie, Young Frankenstein)?

[MrsHudson]

Wow. What a site. Thank you, I'm interested in this case but so many miles behind.
http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcript_OCSO_ComputerForensics.h tm

What do you guys think of her "my caylee is missing" message not quite half-way down the page? :unsure: She seems much more 'distraught' at what happened with her mother than her own daughter being missing.

Woah that's a good point too!

[Lavenia]

Casey did say she felt safer in jail.....

(Thx about the name. Remember the movie, Young Frankenstein)?

I'm SO glad Casey feels safe! She soon won't!

(Remember I told you that was my husband and my first date was to see YF? )

[mosey?]

I can think of a case that it probably would have happened, if the name hadn't been protected.

Danilyn.What the heck? Someone would have made a skeleton doll of Danilyn?????

It wouldnt hurt your rep to admit you made a gross error. Seriously.
No one would make a macabre likeness of any sort of Caylees image. It would be forced from stores by an outraged public. And I like to think people arent that blatantly cruel

[happygert]

What? Oh my! Well I knew Casey came home a few times (but Caylee was gone for 31 days.) So yeah why the letter thing! That's a darn good question!! :ohmy:

Oh but wait...In 911 call cindy tells 911 operator that her daughter had been missing for a MONTH and She just found her today...

[sammielizabe]

Yeah, I am seeing that. I and others, do strongly believe that the family's dysfunction very much was at least one factor that contributed to this horrible crime; it obviously contributed to misleading the investigation, targeting innocent people, lies upon lies, and pasting the pictures of innocent children all over the internet as 'sightings' most of with the A's took their time checking into, and refused to share that information with LE.

I feel so bad that Caylee had to die because the family dynamics...IMO

[happygert]

Is there no bottom to what your posting tonight?

roll and scroll Neffy

[dixie77]

Wonder if he's got any video tape of the recovery site.
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Good question, Mr. Lucky. Do u know if Murt is still around?

[nc1948]

If he mispoke, its not actionable. Even if actionable, Mr. Kronk would have to show damages directly resulting from Geraldo's statement.


He called the man a rapist several times on national tv. Is the world becoming all Caseys and no one is responsible for what they say or do. Heaven help us all.

[PROPROS]

Casey did say she felt safer in jail.....

(Thx about the name. Remember the movie, Young Frankenstein)?I'm glad she feels safer in jail....I feel safer with her in jail.mo

[*MoonRider*]

Hence the 'Repeat Offender' status said poster is under.

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. I have posted this before but here I go again: Individuals with Histrionic Personality Disorder exhibit excessive emotionalism--a tendency to regard things in an emotional manner--and are attention seekers. A person like that will use insults to provoke other people to insult them and then complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his/her opponents get banned from further discussion. I feel so lucky that my mind does not work that way.:thumbup:

[WillowInFlight]

I'm glad she feels safer in jail....I feel safer with her in jail.mo

And if the bull had been taken by the horns when her thieving ways started Caylee would have been safer also.

[Neffy]

Okay read back....

I think someone else brought up the skeleton doll maker.......not even Recidivism......then Recid asked a question using that other poster's words.....

I just said there are people out there that would be willing to trademark the name to make a buck.....

I don't know if they would make skeleton dolls......but they'd certainly try to profit best they could....

people here said it was out of the realm....yet people buy things from Charles Manson......so there is a market....

You and I might not buy such, but people are making money on it....like Serial Killer Cards and crap like that.

You are incorrect about who posted what and the question asked.

You spun this into adult killer memorbilia. Sick but not even close to the post in this thread and again who posted what and the statement made and the question I asked.

[mosey?]

Oh but wait...In 911 call cindy tells 911 operator that her daughter had been missing for a MONTH and She just found her today...IMO, June 9th was a date cooked up by Cindy and Casey to distance the throttling on the 15th.
Casey knew it was 31 days, and Cindy 30.

Didnt I hear LP saying George tried to choke Casey on/after July 15th, too?

[gaelicpeas]

Great point Narcissist!
Why are you discussing a gun at all? Not used in this case as far as I know. JMO.

[AbbyNormal]

I'm SO glad Casey feels safe! She soon won't!

(Remember I told you that was my husband and my first date was to see YF? )

If/When she's convicted, won't Casey be in solitary long enough for the notoriety to wear off?

(I'd forgotten! Love those old movies with Gene Wilder and Marty Feldman ~ YF was on TV again, not too long ago).

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, June 9th was a date cooked up by Cindy and Casey to distance the throttling on the 15th.
Casey knew it was 31 days, and Cindy 30.

Didnt I hear LP saying George tried to choke Casey on/after July 15th, too?

Oh I hadn't heard that about George.

[MrsHudson]

IMO Cindy just used Caylee to try and control casey.. IMO cindy really didnt want custody of Caylee or she would have already tooks steps to secure Caylee's well being.. How many hours did Cindy really spend with Caylee on a daily basis?? IMO not too many if Cindy left for work around 8 in am and didnt get home until 5:30 or 6:00 and Caylee's bedtime was i think 7 lets say 8.. how much time did cindy really spend with her?.. Yes she had plenty of toys and such but IMO they were just things.. Things dont add up to love..over compensation for lack of time spent with them imo..
IMO Cindy and casey are JUST alike... Both jealous of their CHILDREN...
MY ex's famliy gave him and his sister everything NEVER ONCE DID I EVER hear his parents say I LOVE YOU to either of them.. or to there grandkids...To this day still haven't, ....

Great points!

You know what you just said makes me think of the video of Casey holding Caylee and Caylee is eating a little cupcake and she looks so content and happy eating her little cupcake. Then Cindy takes a cupcake and smashes it into Casey's face. And then Casey smashes Caylee's cup cake into Caylee's face.

Is that supposed to be funny because I did not get it. I would never think to do that! What's the point? It's aggression I think. And it's so juvenile and not befitting conduct for two grown women. Me and my mother would not have done that in a million years! It's not a big deal but tells me something.

[gaelicpeas]

Thank you for pointing out the obvious. I have posted this before but here I go again: Individuals with Histrionic Personality Disorder exhibit excessive emotionalism--a tendency to regard things in an emotional manner--and are attention seekers. A person like that will use insults to provoke other people to insult them and then complain to moderators of being insulted and will request that his/her opponents get banned from further discussion. I feel so lucky that my mind does not work that way.:thumbup:
Interesting that you bring up histrionic personality disorder. There is research that shows that many male psychopaths' female siblings are histrionics. I will have to go search for links, so for now JMO...

[happygert]

IMO, June 9th was a date cooked up by Cindy and Casey to distance the throttling on the 15th.
Casey knew it was 31 days, and Cindy 30.

Didnt I hear LP saying George tried to choke Casey on/after July 15th, too?

I never heard GA tried I heard Ca did on the 15th..

[mosey?]

I can name many in this case like Lenny....

It would be someone involved in the case.....like D. Casey.....Hoover.....Baez......

there are so many like Lenny...

anyone looking for a buck.....or attention...like that woman that seemed to appear everywhere.

So many unrelated people that have gained more than they have put into this case.I guess I dont live with my eyes blurred to the details. I dont think people can be stuffed into cubic little pigeon holes. People are unique. Even Leonard Padilla. Especially Leonard Padilla. There's no one like Lenny.

[MrsHudson]

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Its hard to believe that Cindy tucked Casey and Caylee into bed on the same night as the big fight.

It's hard to believe she tucked them into bed at all. It seems like the more natural thing is that Casey would say, "Me and Caylee are going to bed. Go give granny and gramps a kiss Caylee and come along to bed." But Cindy tucking them in? Pfffft!

[happygert]

I'm glad she feels safer in jail....I feel safer with her in jail.mo

Think most of us do...

[Lavenia]

If/When she's convicted, won't Casey be in solitary long enough for the notoriety to wear off?

(I'd forgotten! Love those old movies with Gene Wilder and Marty Feldman ~ YF was on TV again, not too long ago).

It will be a while after she's convicted I would think.

(Love me some YF!)

[*MoonRider*]

It's hard to believe she tucked them into bed at all. It seems like the more natural thing is that Casey would say, "Me and Caylee are going to bed. Go give granny and gramps a kiss Caylee and come along to bed." But Cindy tucking them in? Pfffft!

Total nonsense. Who tucks in a 22 year old?

[happygert]

It's hard to believe she tucked them into bed at all. It seems like the more natural thing is that Casey would say, "Me and Caylee are going to bed. Go give granny and gramps a kiss Caylee and come along to bed." But Cindy tucking them in? Pfffft!

Oh I can see that all right.....come on casey mommy wants to tuck you in bed...::rolleyes:: no less at 7 or 8pm tucking a 22 year old in bed.:blink:

[mosey?]

I think June 9th was a contrived date. It seemed agreed to beforehand by the family members to me. I can see one of them making the mistake, but all of them in lock-step like they did? FBI questions Lee about it on that tape. FBI was suspicious for obvious reasons. Any moron would know it was contrived in my opinion. Especially when the video was sitting on George's computer timestamped.

They knew what date their fight was. I believe they were trying to distance from it too. All these dif stories make it so much harder for law enforcement to investigate. Sometimes it's so confounded they never get at the truth. If I can know that maybe the family knows it too.

They've behaved horribly throughout. What sincere person would call 911 and lie when their grandchild is missing? I believe they have known more than admitted to and I will always believe that based on their words&behavior.Adalena, Great post!
Can you imagine the ex-cop in George having to sit quietly on his hands throught all this?
Remember when Richard Grund asked him why he doesnt act like a cop and investigate this on his own? George's reply was "Cindy doesn't want me to"
E Gads!

[gaelicpeas]

Total nonsense. Who tucks in a 22 year old?
I really don't have a problem with Cindy saying she supposedly "tucked them in".

What I have a problem with is reading Cindy's myspace post on July 3, where she is all flowery and sweet....... and seeing that contrasted to her personality in media interviews or the scenes from her yard.... or contrasted to the jailhouse interviews with Casey. It just doesn't "jive" for me. JMO.

[sammielizabe]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMO

[dixie77]

It's hard to believe she tucked them into bed at all. It seems like the more natural thing is that Casey would say, "Me and Caylee are going to bed. Go give granny and gramps a kiss Caylee and come along to bed." But Cindy tucking them in? Pfffft!
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I agree with u, Mrs.Hudson. Then with the thing about Cindy saying she heard them breathing. Who can hear someone breathing when u r in another room? crazy just crazy. JMO (BTW...i like your posts)

[AbbyNormal]

The neighbor told Greta there were frequent fights heard coming from the Anthony home and the night of Father's Day the 15th there was a particularly bad one. A lot of loud yelling for prolonged time. Stood out from their usual fights. paraphrase. This was early in this case.

So, when George said the following day was like a normal day I didn't buy it either. George points it right out to FBI in his interview and then Cindy tells FBI in her interview that Casey was never missing for the stated month that she contrived for her 911 call. George said when he smelled dead human from his car before he even got to it he said a little prayer it would not be Caylee in the trunk.

Now when anybody says anything that telling without prompting they're admitting to knowing more than they initially said. It's documented in all their media interviews, 911 calls and FBI interviews. Found in the document dump.

I never believed the we haven't seen our dtr in 31 days. I always knew the 911 calls could have been contrived. 31 days is a long time to cover murder evidence. George brought gas to the car impound lot. How did he know it was empty? As someone said initially they couldn't see their way clear to report baby missing, but reported the shed breakin immediately with much ado.

No one has to suspect them, they tell on themselves. I can't figure out how they think they've helped their daughter's case. It's really sad. Most especially for the murdered baby.The last bit, "No one has to suspect them, they tell on themselves." That says it all doesn't it.....

And you're right, it is very sad. I was very disheartened last night when the reporter on NG said LE is saying no charges for GA, CA, or LA. (Hoping it is all just part of Media wars, etc.)

[gaelicpeas]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMO
I agree 100%.

[nc1948]

Hi nc1948! :seeya: :thumbsup:

Just admitting I am a IS addict.

[SavannahStar]

I do on occasion. But mine is only 20.

Me too. Mine's 23. :smile:

[grammaw]

Geraldo accomplished his intentions tonight. He smeared the Meter Reader . again. He is insinuating that maybe he is not to be trusted. ( he does not believe this but doing Baez a little readsonable doubt favor , sure bro,( also, Dr. Baden, who is not on the defense team, but his wife, ( same freakin thing) is. Baden was implying the tape was a piece that was not secure, so how could you prove it was over the mouth. ( another plant for the defense, ) my question , what if the tape was WRAPPED AROUNG THE SKULL.,ROUND AND ROUND? than it would probably remain around her face/head even if skeletal.
Geraldo has no qualms in muddying the water. How can this man defend this childs murderer. ? The video tonight was a travesty. The other D.A. is a buffoon. talks like a freaking dumb maniac. gogo

I can't stand Geraldo anymore,he's just a tool for defendants like this one,Baez and him are best buddies,and he's help him alot.He disgusts me !

[happygert]

Great points!

You know what you just said makes me think of the video of Casey holding Caylee and Caylee is eating a little cupcake and she looks so content and happy eating her little cupcake. Then Cindy takes a cupcake and smashes it into Casey's face. And then Casey smashes Caylee's cup cake into Caylee's face.

Is that supposed to be funny because I did not get it. I would never think to do that! What's the point? It's aggression I think. And it's so juvenile and not befitting conduct for two grown women. Me and my mother would not have done that in a million years! It's not a big deal but tells me something.

Yes i never got the point of that either....Never thought it was funny.screwed up family.....

[MrsHudson]

Also, why would Cindy tell the 911 operator their dtr had been missing for the month in question, then tell FBI agents that was not a true statement. I mean this (supposed) missing month is a huge part of this case. It makes it so much harder to investigate, the more time that lapses.

The way the scenario played out just never sounded right to me and Cindy confirms my suspicions. I always knew the 911 drama could have been contrived and in those August FBI interviews Cindy confirms that they were at least in that part. Partial truths make me all the more suspicious.

You are giving me stuff to think about I must say!

[SavannahStar]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMO


When you say "present at the time" do you mean present when the murder took place?

:confused:

[Leanne Weich]

Giving credit where credit is due - I grudgingly congratulate the Gators on their National Championship.
However, one area where the Gators really shine is in entomology and botany. It is the University of Florida after all. They know more about bugs and plants than just about anyone.
Those forensic scientists from Gatorville are serious about their research.
They are not seeking fame and fortune.
They are highly specialized in their fields of study.
They know what they are talking about and they have the data and reports to back it up.
I think that they will blow Dr. Baden's testimony away.
even if they are Gators

Dr Baden is neither an entomologist nor a botanist, therefore in the event of him being brought on board, his evidence will not be disputing the plant or bug evidence, imo. He'll be going head to head with Dr Reich (IIRC her name correctly) or Kobi.

[Lavenia]

You mean like someone's take on Yahoo accounts?

I'm lost now. :confused:

[nc1948]

And if the bull had been taken by the horns when her thieving ways started Caylee would have been safer also.

With the way Cindy immediately went into protect Casey mode, I wonder how many times, even as a child, others took the rap for things Casey did.

[AlohaRainbow]

Oh yes, but then baez will be put into the delightful position of disparaging Kronk over these allegations which ultimately were dismissed, all the while whining that his client is innocent until proven guilty. I hate when that happens........lol.
not just dismissed, but the record was expunged. kronk had no legal obligation to disclose that arrest when he applied for the meter-reading job. yet he did because, as he said, he has nothing to hide and a personal policy of openess and honesty.

:thumbup: how refreshing is that! [especially in this case with so many vying for liar-of-the-year ]

[Neffy]

I can't stand Geraldo anymore,he's just a tool for defendants like this one,Baez and him are best buddies,and he's help him alot.He disgusts me !

I caught some of the 10pm show. Missed what you all saw earlier. I was shocked that that LKB was there watching that tape. Did Geraldo say how he got it?

[Lavenia]

Just admitting I am a IS addict.

Hey, I was letting you stay anonymous! :tonguewag:

[gaelicpeas]

I think LE suspects this was a revenge killing. The trouble was between the two women in the household and it existed for some time according to family members Lee & George as told to FBI/Sheriff interviewers.

rhiannon mentioned something about it. I'm sorry if I spelled her nickname name wrong. I think Cindy and Casey throughout focus much more on one another than the missing/murdered baby. It's pretty obvious there's some sort of sicko power struggle between the two. Lee said Cindy was verbally abusive always to Casey. Heck first time I saw/heard Cindy she was verbally abusive to Greta Van Susteran. (abt 48 to 72 hrs after the 911 calls when this case hit the news) Greta politely introduces her and Cindy immediatly rudely issues this command..and don't ask any stupid questions... At the end Greta has to practically beg her to mention the missing baby.

With all the money that was squandered credit-wise it's a pity George or somebody didn't just rent an apt to separate the two before it ended in that poor little baby's murder.

I took Cindy's don't ask ... as defensive. I thought right away something was wrong and this woman was saying (in so many words) she was not to be trusted or believed. My heart sunk. It didn't seem to bode well for the missing baby at the time.
I agree completely, and this is what brought me to this case. I realize the evidence is pretty overwhelming in implicating Casey. But sheesh, the stuff Cindy spouted just makes you go WHOA!

[nc1948]

I don't see the humor in smashing food into people's faces either. Covert hostility?

This is how Caylee was loved and what she was exposed to. So sad

[mosey?]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMOI dont know if I neccessarily think Cindy knew on July 15th that Caylee was dead, but she sure suspected it. If loosing a grandchild from one's life starts the grief proccess, she would have been in denial for a time. In order to deny something, you have to consider it a possibility. She just wasnt facing it and started fighting the media for her own and Casey's sake.

I say her own, because she didn't want the wild media speculation that she could somehow be accountable for Casey's revenge-motivated actions, whether the actions were purposley giving Caylee away or mudering her.
I dont think Cindy (or Casey for that matter) was aware that it would become so big in the media. I also think Casey was planning on shining in the sympathetic attention. She would finally be center of attention, again. No Caylee to compete.

[Lavenia]

Me too. Mine's 23. :smile:

Me too, mine's 30 and his wife is 27. (So when does this get creepy?) :lol:

[Lavenia]

Take my hand and I shall guide you to safety.
:smile:

:laugh::laugh:

[Balesha]

I think the whole family may have known from day one and were present at the time. I am starting to think that the whole 31 days thing was all made up, it is THEIR script. They are so busy defending KC, but why, why would you defend someone to that extent, unless you are somehow involved? It's the only conclusion I can come too. Sorry if this offends anyone, i'm going with my gut on this. Someone else is covering here, there are no two ways about it. IMO

I'll go with investigators on this one and say that she acted alone. IMO her parents were duped by their con of a daughter. Annoying, yes! But I don't think they knew.

[MrsHudson]

I don't see the humor in smashing food into people's faces either. Covert hostility?

Yes I think so. Same way at a wedding if the couple smashes wedding cake into each others faces. Not a good sign if you ask me. Shows competition and hostility.

[gaelicpeas]

I dont know if I neccessarily think Cindy knew on July 15th that Caylee was dead, but she sure suspected it. If loosing a grandchild from one's life starts the grief proccess, she would have been in denial for a time. In order to deny something, you have to consider it a possibility. She just wasnt facing it and started fighting the media for her own and Casey's sake.

I say her own, because she didn't want the wild media speculation that she could somehow be accountable for Casey's revenge-motivated actions, whether the actions were purposley giving Caylee away or mudering her.
I dont think Cindy (or Casey for that matter) was aware that it would become so big in the media. I also think Casey was planning on shining in the sympathetic attention. She would finally be center of attention, again. No Caylee to compete.
I have always been of the opinion that the whole thing was a scam. IMO, the behaviors of the parties involved make a lot more sense this way. Again, JMO.

[MrsHudson]

I was the first one to say it, in response to LandSharks post just a few pages back.

I 'm done with skeleton thing and I hope we all are. :bored:

[Neffy]

Dr Baden is neither an entomologist nor a botanist, therefore in the event of him being brought on board, his evidence will not be disputing the plant or bug evidence, imo. He'll be going head to head with Dr Reich (IIRC her name correctly) or Kobi.

Did Baden say tonight first that there was no way to date Caylee's remains then change it to it can be within a few days?

The few days will suffice which can be coincided with her whereabouts and the trunk evidence.

[Dells]

I believe G&C BOTH knew Caylee was dead when they smelled the car. I think they knew they could no longer help Caylee, but they still had Casey who is still their daughter (flesh & blood)and they knew they could do nothing further to help Caylee. I think from that point on they put all their effort into trying to help Casey by throwing up smoke screens (blaming others and insisting there was no death and no crime). Baez appeared to be building a defense that since the body had not been found, they believed Caylee was still alive and no murder had taken place. As long as the body was not found they could keep up the pretense of searching for a live Caylee. At Casey's trial they were hoping that would persuade jurors there was reasonable doubt about Caylee's death. I also think this was mainly Cindy's idea and George went along with it, but reluctantly. They had already lost one, Caylee, and they didn't want to lose another one too, Casey. I don't condone what they did, but I think I understand their motives.

I know that a lot of people believe that G&C have been in denial and didn't want to believe their daughter could do such a monstrous thing, but I've always had the impression that they actually did believe it all along. I don't believe they've ever been in denial. I think they knew the moment they smelled the car and went into protective mode for Casey and tried to clean up the mess she was in as they've always done. I think they pretended to be in denial in an effort to help Casey's defense. The main thing that gave me this impression is the fact that George is so horrible at acting.

Great post! I feel a similar way, but at the same time I wonder how the Anthony's can ever forgive Casey for what she did? If she was able to be found not guilty (which she has no chance) I don't know how G and C could ever trust her again. Who's to say she would not murder again?

[MrsHudson]

I really don't have a problem with Cindy saying she supposedly "tucked them in".

What I have a problem with is reading Cindy's myspace post on July 3, where she is all flowery and sweet....... and seeing that contrasted to her personality in media interviews or the scenes from her yard.... or contrasted to the jailhouse interviews with Casey. It just doesn't "jive" for me. JMO.

I don;t think she was flowery and sweet. I think it was passive aggression. Read it again and maybe you'll see what I mean.

[nc1948]

Hey, I was letting you stay anonymous! :tonguewag:


Have not been sent to ban camp yet. So everyone knows I am on here all the time. It really is no secret. Anyway, I see all the same names all the time. We are all in this together, and it looks like trial will be a long way off, so we will be together a long time. So I figured I would give up my secret addiction now and get it over with.

[mosey?]

I can't stand Geraldo anymore,he's just a tool for defendants like this one,Baez and him are best buddies,and he's help him alot.He disgusts me !He and Baez are buddies. I wouldn't be surprised if that was something Baez asked him to mention on his show to discredit Kronk to the media. It's a sneaky back game meant for the future jurors eyes and ears.

[Lavenia]

I don;t think she was flowery and sweet. I think it was passive aggression. Read it again and maybe you'll see what I mean.

I think it was extremely P/A! And shaming to boot!

[MrsHudson]

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I agree with u, Mrs.Hudson. Then with the thing about Cindy saying she heard them breathing. Who can hear someone breathing when u r in another room? crazy just crazy. JMO (BTW...i like your posts)

Exactly Dixie. I like your screen name it's the name of our little female Westie.

[Dells]

To me, it's not so much about his location or the shoveling and probing and tossing, it's about why he was out looking for a dead Caylee at all.

Whether he was on a mission for Baez, or the Anthonys, or because of a tip, or just on his own, he was part of the Caylee's Alive contingent, so he shouldn't have been anywhere looking for a dead body, imo.

That's what makes this whole thing suspicious to me.

Very good point!