Saturday January 10/09 - Morning Part 1

[ellegna]

Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle


:rose::rose::rose:


Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[ellegna]

Alleged 'Babysitter' Suing Casey Anthony Goes 'On the Record' (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,479025,00.html)

Sources Say 'Overwhelming Evidence' Anthony Killed Child Caylee (http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/264888)

WFTV Legal Analyst Describes Private Investigators' Video (http://www.wftv.com/news/18449626/detail.html#-)

[Destini]

Good morning Ellegna. Thank you for the candle link & getting us started here today.

Woke up at 5:00 this morning with this on my mind & couldn't go back o sleep. So Hoover gave Equuasearch a tip on Nov. 8 that included information that Casey's car was seen (parked?) in June in this area where the body was found. Then we have Tim Miller saying this tip was provided to the people who needed to know, which I assume includes LE. That seems like a BOMBSHELL tip to me.

So why weren't the dogs brought back to this area in early November? It's not like this is a stretch of woods that is miles & miles long. From the Mapquest link, it looks like it's only about 300 feet of roadway abutting this wooded area. When you clink the link, put it on the aerial view. I just don't get it.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Orlando&state=FL&address=%5B8800-9099%5D+Suburban+Dr&zipcode=32829&country=US&latitude=28.48815&longitude=-81.26175&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l::[8800-9099]+Suburban+Dr:Orlando:FL:32829:US:28.48815:-81.26175:street::1/m:hyb:14:28.48815:-81.261749:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

[Calla]

Destini I dont get it either. Seriously, I am so shocked that the dogs were not brought back to that area.

[gino1234]

I think the searchers really did not expect to find Caylee so close to home. They seemed fixed on the airport. Even thou someone did put up a graphic that showed all the search areas and the area where she was found was searched very early on........

[desmom]

Good morning Ellegna. Thank you for the candle link & getting us started here today.

Woke up at 5:00 this morning with this on my mind & couldn't go back o sleep. So Hoover gave Equuasearch a tip on Nov. 8 that included information that Casey's car was seen (parked?) in June in this area where the body was found. Then we have Tim Miller saying this tip was provided to the people who needed to know, which I assume includes LE. That seems like a BOMBSHELL tip to me.

So why weren't the dogs brought back to this area in early November? It's not like this is a stretch of woods that is miles & miles long. From the Mapquest link, it looks like it's only about 300 feet of roadway abutting this wooded area. When you clink the link, put it on the aerial view. I just don't get it.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Orlando&state=FL&address=%5B8800-9099%5D+Suburban+Dr&zipcode=32829&country=US&latitude=28.48815&longitude=-81.26175&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l::[8800-9099]+Suburban+Dr:Orlando:FL:32829:US:28.48815:-81.26175:street::1/m:hyb:14:28.48815:-81.261749:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e

Good Morning Destini!

IIRC, several neighbors reported the water in that area did not recede until a week or two before Caylee's remains were found. jmo

[Calla]

I didn't see where anyone posted that they heard back re: the emails to K Belich but I got caught up watching Eight is Enough on youtube:tongue:

[AMS]

I didn't see where anyone posted that they heard back re: the emails to K Belich but I got caught up watching Eight is Enough on youtube:tongue:

Thanks. I forgot all about that show. I used to watch it all the time! :biggrin:

[floridamom]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.

[NYGalPal]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.

But what they did is a crime. They didn't believe Casey was innocent, they knew she killed their granddaughter. They tried to cover for her crime. No ammunity.

:thumbdown:

[n/t]

Good Morning Destini!

IIRC, several neighbors reported the water in that area did not recede until a week or two before Caylee's remains were found. jmo


Good Morning!

This is getting so confusing. That's what happens when PI's get involved and don't work with LE, imo.

Do we know the exact area where DC and Hoover were when they were taping? Was that ever disclosed?

Could this be "smokes and mirrors" orchestrated by the defense? That's what it's all starting to sound like to me.

[msgatorslayer]

But what they did is a crime. They didn't believe Casey was innocent, they knew she killed their granddaughter. They tried to cover for her crime. No ammunity.

:thumbdown:

I agree. And they're proven liars so why should LE or anyone believe them just cause immunitiy is now attached to what they say? They'll still hold back information, sugar coat things, or down right, LIE. JMO

Nothing about the crime itself can be learned from them unless Casey confessed. Which, again, even if Casey told them what happened, they'd sugar coat the story. JMO

The State doesn't need them or their variations of stories to convict Casey.

[desmom]

Good Morning!

This is getting so confusing. That's what happens when PI's get involved and don't work with LE, imo.

Do we know the exact area where DC and Hoover were when they were taping? Was that ever disclosed?

Could this be "smokes and mirrors" orchestrated by the defense? That's what it's all starting to sound like to me.

Good Morning n/t!

It is confusing. I have been catching up on yesterday's afternoon headlines.

MyFox Orlando reported: http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8225966&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1 Miller wouldn’t say what Hoover said, but Bill Todd's wife said Hoover's tip didn't directly point them to the location where Caylee was found on December 11th, but instead said someone saw Casey’s car parked near that patch of woods back in June.

WFTV reported http://www.wftv.com/news/18449626/detail.html#- Dominic was there 2 days digging, probing and that it did not appear Mr. Casey and his colleague, private eye Jim Hoover, who was behind the camera, were doing a random search. according to WFTV legal analyst Bill Sheaffer. I am curious what an experienced S & R would say about the tape and Dominic's search of the area.

Why didn't this person come forward in July or August if they saw Casey's car parked near there? Why wait? Why tell the family investigators and not LE? I think the car parked in the area is a cover story by Hoover and Dominic. IMO, the stories don't jive.

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning Destini!

IIRC, several neighbors reported the water in that area did not recede until a week or two before Caylee's remains were found. jmo

Yeah, it's a low lying area. Average summer thunderstorms probably keep it moist and mucky. Hurricane Fay going over Orlando 4 times filled it up. JMO

[AMS]

What do Casey Anthony -- and other inmates -- buy behind bars?
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 10, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/food/orl-jail1009jan10,0,759970.story

[NYGalPal]

What do Casey Anthony -- and other inmates -- buy behind bars?
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 10, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/food/orl-jail1009jan10,0,759970.story

Thanks for the link. Where is Casey getting money to purchase what is on the list?

[msgatorslayer]

What do Casey Anthony -- and other inmates -- buy behind bars?
Sarah Lundy | Sentinel Staff Writer
January 10, 2009

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/food/orl-jail1009jan10,0,759970.story

Casey uses mens speed stix, lmao. :tongueside: I wonder if the smell reminds her of TonE.

[ellegna]

Got home from work late last night and missed Nancy Grace.
Posters were discussing no charges will be laid against the A's. To be honest, I was surprised. I immediately thought the A's were finally offered immunity.
Searched high and low for a link. Nothing.
Watched NG repeat at 10. Well no wonder I couldn't find anything. Jessica stated What I'm hearing
Her sources have been very reliable in the past but IMO the prosecution can change their minds. We've already seen the DP on the table, off and now maybe on again.



GRACE: Jessica, what do you know about the possibility of an immunity deal for the grandparents? And is it still floating around that Lee Anthony may somehow be charged as an accomplice after the fact?

D`ONOFRIO: What I`m hearing from everyone I speak to, Nancy, is that there are -- there are going to be no charges brought against anyone in the Anthony family. Not Lee, not Cindy, not George. They will not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, absolutely nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ng.01.html

[desmom]

I agree. And they're proven liars so why should LE or anyone believe them just cause immunitiy is now attached to what they say? They'll still hold back information, sugar coat things, or down right, LIE. JMO

Nothing about the crime itself can be learned from them unless Casey confessed. Which, again, even if Casey told them what happened, they'd sugar coat the story. JMO

The State doesn't need them or their variations of stories to convict Casey.

I agree Msgatorslayer!

Lets see...While Caylee was missing, the family misleads LE. After Caylee is found, they want to tell the truth.

HELLO! Why didn't they cooperate with LE from the beginning?!? :flamemad:

[n/t]

Got home from work late last night and missed Nancy Grace.
Posters were discussing no charges will be laid against the A's. To be honest, I was surprised. I immediately thought the A's were finally offered immunity.
Searched high and low for a link. Nothing.
Watched NG repeat at 10. Well no wonder I couldn't find anything. Jessica stated What I'm hearing
Her sources have been very reliable in the past but IMO the prosecution can change their minds. We've already seen the DP on the table, off and now maybe on again.



GRACE: Jessica, what do you know about the possibility of an immunity deal for the grandparents? And is it still floating around that Lee Anthony may somehow be charged as an accomplice after the fact?

D`ONOFRIO: What I`m hearing from everyone I speak to, Nancy, is that there are -- there are going to be no charges brought against anyone in the Anthony family. Not Lee, not Cindy, not George. They will not be prosecuted for obstruction of justice, absolutely nothing.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ng.01.html


Isn't it odd that a reporter is announcing this and not the attorneys considering they were the ones who were quick to tell the public of possible charges against the Anthonys? Wouldn't they be elated to make this announcement, if true?

[msgatorslayer]

I agree Msgatorslayer!

Lets see...While Caylee was missing, the family misleads LE. After Caylee is found, they want to tell the truth.

HELLO! Why didn't they cooperate with LE from the beginning?!? :flamemad:

It's all about Casey.

They didn't even show up for Thursday's motions hearing. WHY? Cause Casey wasn't expected to be there. They weren't interested in learning if the Judge would shield images of Caylee's bones from rag mags.

I wish Caylee was older and had some playmates. Maybe then, she'd have someone in these hearings for HER. Their Mommy's or Grama's!!!

[AMS]

Thanks for the link. Where is Casey getting money to purchase what is on the list?

Last night on NG one of the reporters said that people are donating from around the country. She said they are typically donating $20. IIRC, George deposited a few hundred bucks when she was first locked up.

[n/t]

I can kind of understand it a little bit, but with all the people involved it does seem like the ball was dropped somewhere along the line. If a searcher told Tim, then Tim basically said to LE:

"one of my searchers told me that Hoover told them, that somebody else told him, that they saw kc's car parked on suburban drive..."

Since it was such a convoluted way to get a tip, coupled with the fact that it came partly from someone working with the A's, coupled with the standing water in the area, I can see it being placed on low priority by LE. Does anyone remember the day Tim almost lost the 4x4 in that area? Perhaps TES did try to act on that tip but couldn't search because the water was still there?

Another thought: Interesting that Hoover blabs to TES, blabs to Padilla, follows and films D. Casey in the area, etc. Perhaps he insinuated himself into the A camp because he wanted an in to help LE (double agent so to speak). Just musing...

Nah. I think he thought he'd get famous instead it may turn out that he may face charges. That's why he had to lawyer up. Any lawyers left in Florida? Good lord.

[ellegna]

Isn't it odd that a reporter is announcing this and not the attorneys considering they were the ones who were quick to tell the public of possible charges against the Anthonys? Wouldn't they be elated to make this announcement, if true?

Exactly n/t. If it were true, IMO Brad Conway wouldn't waste a second to announce.

[Libertie]

Destini I dont get it either. Seriously, I am so shocked that the dogs were not brought back to that area.Was it still underwater in November? Maybe that's the reason.

[NYGalPal]

Last night on NG one of the reporters said that people are donating from around the country. She said they are typically donating $20. IIRC, George deposited a few hundred bucks when she was first locked up.
Thanks the info.

We have starving people in this country and they'd rather send their money to a baby killer? That is morally wrong on every level, imo.

:thumbdown:

[n/t]

Was it still underwater in November? Maybe that's the reason.

Yes it was according to all credible sources which leaves me to believe that they weren't in the exact area where Caylee's remains were found and this is an attempt by the defense to muddy the waters. No pun intended.

[BJames]

I just finished the last thread about plant DNA and whether it could be narrowed down if there was anything found in the under carriage of the car, and/or on Casey's foot wear. I find it even more interesting that Cindy washed those grey pants..my guess is that indeed they would find some plant matter and/or dirt on them.
Aside from that tho? I am remembering how interested LE was in which car wash Casey took TonE's vehicle to be washed, as apparently Casey pointed it out to him on the way back from the airport.
From another case involving a car wash it would seem that in general they have cameras...I wonder if LE has checked the tapes to see if Casey ever took her vehicle there to wash it?
Does anyone know if it was an 'automatic' car wash or one that you feed $ into and wash it yourself? If it was an automatic they generally do an 'under carriage' wash..but if it is/was a manual..I just can't see Casey down there doing it.
I am hoping that LE checked it out...wouldn't it be 'interesting' if the plant matter was matched from the site of the reamins, the car..and maybe a pair of shoes Casey was wearing at the time?
She's tricky and she lies...but I don't believe that she is that 'smart'...

Just my opinion of coourse...

[msgatorslayer]

Thanks the info.

We have starving people in this country and they'd rather send their money to a baby killer? That is morally wrong on every level, imo.

:thumbdown:

There are people relating to her and her problems. Others who have a loved one in jail that they believe to be innocent. Things like that, IMO.

We have/had a poster here who's Sister killed their Mother. It was featured on SNAPPED. She thinks her Sister was unjustly tried and should be freed.

[n/t]

Thanks the info.

We have starving people in this country and they'd rather send their money to a baby killer? That is morally wrong on every level, imo.

:thumbdown:

We see that in almost every profile case. I put these people in the same category with those that correspond/marry inmates. Freaks, imo.

[n/t]

I just read the Greta transcripts with her interview with Zenaida. Well, that was a total waste. Nothing came out of it that we didn't already know. What was the point?

[Danette44]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.

Good Morning Everyone - Floridamom,

I think George said alot in the Grand Jury Hearing, I can't imagine them giving her 1st degree murder on what little info we had back then, it was said thats why they aren't visiting Casey because she feels he turn on her. I believe Jose is telling her not to see them because they will turn on her and he has the best Dream Team money can buy and she will walk. I don't see this dragging on for a year, no way will Casey allow that, she wants out and if she can get this moving, the faster she is free ( she thinks ). I read last night threads and didn't see this mention unless I skip a page, but on Nancy Grace last night she made the remark that the DP was back on......did anyone else hear her say that and did she just mean they have the right to put it back on the table?

[NYGalPal]

There are people relating to her and her problems. Others who have a loved one in jail that they believe to be innocent. Things like that, IMO.

We have/had a poster here who's Sister killed their Mother. It was featured on SNAPPED. She thinks her Sister was unjustly tried and should be freed.

Seems to me they like murderers of any kind. Very strange.

I remember that poster and it was proven her sister was justly tried.

[Regina.Lampert]

Yeah, what was that all about when NG asked Jessica if she was friends with Casey because she referred to Casey as "Casey" (first name only)? It was tense for a minute or 2. I thought Jessica was going to cry.

LOL I KNOW!!! NG was going in for the kill.....:lol:

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning Everyone - Floridamom,

I think George said alot in the Grand Jury Hearing, I can't imagine them giving her 1st degree murder on what little info we had back then, it was said thats why they aren't visiting Casey because she feels he turn on her. I believe Jose is telling her not to see them because they will turn on her and he has the best Dream Team money can buy and she will walk. I don't see this dragging on for a year, no way will Casey allow that, she wants out and if she can get this moving, the faster she is free ( she thinks ). I read last night threads and didn't see this mention unless I skip a page, but on Nancy Grace last night she made the remark that the DP was back on......did anyone else hear her say that and did she just mean they have the right to put it back on the table?

About the DP, IMO, she was being typical Nancy, and meant that the State has every right to put the DP back on because of the report yesterday which says it was deliberate murder. Nancy is going for Murder 1 and wants the DP back.

[NYGalPal]

Too many weirdos out there ...ghouls and freaks.

Nancy was waaay wild last night!!!...I missed parts of it....going to check out transcripts.

I hear you on that. Couldn't agree with you more.

Has anyone come out of the woodwork asking for donations for Casey? Those who do that use the money for themselves.

Off to read the transcript myself. I love when she goes wild.

[AMS]

LOL I KNOW!!! NG was going in for the kill.....:lol:


Was Jessica the reporter that got to do the interview with the GPs inside the Anthony house? This was a while ago. Wonder if NG thought she was friends with the As in order to get that interview.

Jessica is OK but I like Kathi Belich better. IMO.

[trich]

Good Morning Destini!

IIRC, several neighbors reported the water in that area did not recede until a week or two before Caylee's remains were found. jmo

yes and even Tim said the water was so high he was afraid that his vehicles would destroy evidence.

[WillowInFlight]

Seems to me they like murderers of any kind. Very strange.

I remember that poster and it was proven her sister was justly tried.

She sure was, just like Casey will be justly tried. She seems to be adapting well.

[AMS]

I haven't gotten an answer back yet...

Thanks kitty.

[trich]

Thanks for the link. Where is Casey getting money to purchase what is on the list?

It was said last night on NG that strangers from all over were sending money to her account in jail.
It never ceases to amaze me what some people will do....here is a mother who is accused of killing her 2 years old and with all the info they have released the evidence looks pretty damning.....but yet people will send her money so she can buy things that comfort her.
IMO that is really disturbing.

[NYGalPal]

I see she called her casey once. Then she went back to tot mom.

I think Im going to cvlick send and suggest to Nancy that she change that moniker to "TOT SLAYER".

I think Nancy might like that suggestion. The shoe fits. :thumbsup:

[Regina.Lampert]

Was Jessica the reporter that got to do the interview with the GPs inside the Anthony house? This was a while ago. Wonder if NG thought she was friends with the As in order to get that interview.

Jessica is OK but I like Kathi Belich better. IMO.

I'm not sure about that AMS, but she definetly was the reporter who stood behind the people who said the woods were flooded, shaking her head no. Maybe that was the Amazing Grace's problem with her???

[NYGalPal]

It was said last night on NG that strangers from all over were sending money to her account in jail.
It never ceases to amaze me what some people will do....here is a mother who is accused of killing her 2 years old and with all the info they have released the evidence looks pretty damning.....but yet people will send her money so she can buy things that comfort her.
IMO that is really disturbing.

Said it best: really disturbing

:scared:

[bluwaters]

It's all about Casey.

They didn't even show up for Thursday's motions hearing. WHY? Cause Casey wasn't expected to be there. They weren't interested in learning if the Judge would shield images of Caylee's bones from rag mags.

I wish Caylee was older and had some playmates. Maybe then, she'd have someone in these hearings for HER. Their Mommy's or Grama's!!!

I know, they are infuriating. However, their attorney was at the hearing and he did have an opportunity to tell the court that his clients support the state's motion to protect Caylee's images.
I think that Conway is keeping them under wraps as they don't seem to help themselves in any way when they appear in public.

Caylee was old enough to have some playmates. The only one that I have heard mentioned is Christina's son. That is so sad.

[Peter]

On NG last night I was hoping Jessica would tell NG that Calling the OC Casey sounds better than "TOT MOM". Tot mom sounds tabloidish to me.

Morning all!

[Destini]

Good Morning!

This is getting so confusing. That's what happens when PI's get involved and don't work with LE, imo.

Do we know the exact area where DC and Hoover were when they were taping? Was that ever disclosed?

Could this be "smokes and mirrors" orchestrated by the defense? That's what it's all starting to sound like to me.

Sorry, had to step away awhile & just getting back to the board.

I watched the video with Hoover & his attorney. The attorney was asked did they tape the exact area where Caylee was found. IIRC, he said no, but they were very close.

If it were being orchestrated by the defense, why would Hoover say Casey's car was seen there? WHO saw Casey's car there, and why would they tell him and not LE?

I believe that the area was probably underwater, but obviously the bag had been breached. Even with water, wouldn't the dogs have picked up something? It wasn't a lake but a swampy area, and it sounds like her little bones were everywhere. Bottom line, why did no one even make an attempt with dogs?

This whole thing is making me very ill. Now we've got someone saw Casey's car there in June, Roy Krunk calling LE 3 times in August, then the mixed-up confusion of the PI & Hoover being there in November, Equusearch knowing about the tip in November .... all in this one little 300-foot-long area. If LE would send divers into lakes, why wouldn't they put searchers into that swampy area (with their hip boots)?

I want to hear what Roy Krunk has to reveal next. Something stinks. Too many people dropping the ball. Something's not right.

[VII]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.

Good A.M. floridamom --
I agree they had NOTHING to do with killing Caylee. I also don't think they mislead LE with malice, I think they desparately wanted to believe Casey and since LE wasn't listening to her, thought they were her only EAR and that it would help her if they found an alive Caylee.
I want to believe that since Caylee's body has been found, as it was, and there is no DOUBT about "who did it" that they are just trying to digest the horror of it all. With all the displays of anger ... their attorney has advised them, and they appear to be hearing, to lay low, NOT to attend hearings, and for them to not make a media statement of their change of what they believe. He is encouraging them, perhaps, to do nothing to heighten media attention to their relationship with Casey at this point -- vague statements being made, no significant change, and their sorrow/hurt/ANGER toward their daughter not be the topic of HeadLine News.

As for George and his ~sneakin'~ to talk to the FBI ...
Just another example of his character. No George fan here. He should have "manned UP" as the MAN of the house and done what he needed to to put an end to this instead of enabling his wife to live in denial, his daughter to perpetuate this fiasco and etc...
He even sent LEE over to the house when Cindy was bringing her home.
It was when they realized that something was WRONG that he should have taken control of the ship, and he didn't.
weazel

[WillowInFlight]

On NG last night I was hoping Jessica would tell NG that Calling the OC Casey sounds better than "TOT MOM". Tot mom sounds tabloidish to me.

Morning all!

ITA specially since she in NO LONGER a "Tot mom"

[NYGalPal]

wanted to answer this a bit earlier.

I think that in that posters case, it was about the justness, and the fact that peopel in general...the good people anyway just dont want to believe that a family member could do something so heinous....just my thoughts on that. ...I dont want to believe it...and Im sure nobody else here would want to either....I suppose Its a matter of accepting reality but still loving the crimminal relative.

I think I understand what you're trying to say. There is a differnce between not accepting and flat out lying in hopes the murderer goes free. What about the victim? It is as if they don't matter. Caylee, case in point.

[bluwaters]

Yeah, what was that all about when NG asked Jessica if she was friends with Casey because she referred to Casey as "Casey" (first name only)? It was tense for a minute or 2. I thought Jessica was going to cry.
Poor Jessica! She looked so shocked when Nancy insinuated that she and Casey were friends. Here was Jessica, the reporter of the day who broke this story and Nancy attacked her. Jessica did hold her own.
Here's a clue Nancy - the defendant's name is Casey!
LOL! I wish Jessica had said that her name is not
"tot mom."

[NYGalPal]

ITA specially since she in NO LONGER a "Tot mom"

Good point.

[SavannahStar]

Poor Jessica! She looked so shocked when Nancy insinuated that she and Casey were friends. Here was Jessica, the reporter of the day who broke this story and Nancy attacked her. Jessica did hold her own.
Here's a clue Nancy - the defendant's name is Casey!
LOL! I wish Jessica had said that her name is not
"tot mom."

Perfect! I wish she had said that!!! :laugh: Too bad Nancy has to be so rude to everyone. :thumbdown:

[NYGalPal]

Perfect! I wish she had said that!!! :laugh: Too bad Nancy has to be so rude to everyone. :thumbdown:

Trashing NG too? Yet you watch her. Why would you watch someone else you dislike?

:rolleyes:

[NYGalPal]

The caylee murder is particularly frustrating for us because we are seeing and hearing about the actions and lengths that these folks went to in attempts to protect what they had left after the murder....and we can see what Casey is....but deep down..I think some of us understand the lengths some would go...We just hope we would NOT behave the way they did.

I understand. You meet all kinds on the and there are some who don't respect nor abide by the laws of this country. Scary.

[SavannahStar]

Nancy isnt rude....shes for real....and just a teensy bit aggressive.:biggrin:


Her rudeness is real. :lol:

[NYGalPal]

Im going to just call her THE TOT SLAYER from here on out.

Appropriate, but not sure CW will accept that. Better check before others complain to her.

[Postergeist]

I just read the Greta transcripts with her interview with Zenaida. Well, that was a total waste. Nothing came out of it that we didn't already know. What was the point?

Mornin' n/t- while I didn't see Greta's show- just reading what happened made me feel bad for ZG and her children. Being accused of something as serious as kidnapping, having detectives come into your home and go thru each room, question your children- then losing your job and your home because your boss and your landlord don't want you there because of false allegations made against you.

:sad:

It just seems like the inmate was such a white tornado in so many people's lives- wreaking havoc and chaos in her web of lies and thieving - from her maternal grandparents down to a stranger.

I wish ZG and her children were getting checks sent to them like the inmate is getting- I'd bet that ZG has worked legitimate jobs in her life to provide for herself and her children- something that the inmate didn't seem to want to do for very long- and now the public is giving her free room and board and extras.

imo

[NYGalPal]

Nancy isnt rude....shes for real....and just a teensy bit aggressive.:biggrin:

She tells it like it is and that is hard for people who are jealous of her to understand. People complain, yet still watch her. NG should thank them for keeping her ratings up. :lol:

[VII]

I hear you on that. Couldn't agree with you more.

Has anyone come out of the woodwork asking for donations for Casey? Those who do that use the money for themselves.

Off to read the transcript myself. I love when she goes wild.

I'll be :lol: when/IF she "goes wild" on Lenny the Toothpickmeister"
jmo

[Neffy]

Im going to just call her THE TOT SLAYER from here on out.

Better use the word "alleged" before it. :)

[NYGalPal]

I'll be :lol: when/IF she "goes wild" on Lenny the Toothpickmeister"
jmo

LOL@toothpickmeister. Is he expected to appear next week?

[sofiesmom]

ITA specially since she in NO LONGER a "Tot mom"There's also no longer a "desperate search", yet she still opens every show with these words in the first sentence. I always think when I hear this, " Oh, no. this is a re-run." lol

[Regina.Lampert]

Trashing NG too? Yet you watch her. Why would you watch someone else you dislike?

:rolleyes:

LOL, I like some vinegar with my greens.......Nancy is a one of a kind, original and I love her. I live for moments like last night.


:lol:

[Postergeist]

I think I understand what you're trying to say. There is a differnce between not accepting and flat out lying in hopes the murderer goes free. What about the victim? It is as if they don't matter. Caylee, case in point.

got a question if anyone has good recall-

the knife that was removed from the car- was it ever stated if the family removed it from the trunk or the backseat/floorboard?

IRRC- Cindy said she washed that (and the pants) but was the knife taken by LE and any more description other than a kitchen knife?

I was wondering if the knife was used to try to cut the duct tape- or to scrape stuff off her shoes, or as a weapon and with it getting washed...there goes any trace evidence.

imo

[NYGalPal]

LOL, I like some vinegar with my greens.......Nancy is a one of a kind, original and I love her. I live for moments like last night.


:lol:

LOL

Darn, I'm so mad I missed it. I would have rather watched it then read the transcripts. Just not the same affect.

Love her too.

[WillowInFlight]

got a question if anyone has good recall-

the knife that was removed from the car- was it ever stated if the family removed it from the trunk or the backseat/floorboard?

IRRC- Cindy said she washed that (and the pants) but was the knife taken by LE and any more description other than a kitchen knife?

I was wondering if the knife was used to try to cut the duct tape- or to scrape stuff off her shoes, or as a weapon and with it getting washed...there goes any trace evidence.

imo

IIRC it was on the floorboard in the back seat. I don't think we ever did find out what kind of a knife it was.

[VII]

LOL@toothpickmeister. Is he expected to appear next week?

You're asking the wrong poster about that.
My guts tell me, yeah ...
he'll be on until the bitter end.
I have issue with him inserting himself as Bounty Hunter turned PI ...
If he wants to be a PI, why not just get the training required and be a REAL investigator. Something about the Bounty Hunter/PI thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
Kinda like an overused TOOTHpick :wink:

[n/t]

Mornin' n/t- while I didn't see Greta's show- just reading what happened made me feel bad for ZG and her children. Being accused of something as serious as kidnapping, having detectives come into your home and go thru each room, question your children- then losing your job and your home because your boss and your landlord don't want you there because of false allegations made against you.

:sad:

It just seems like the inmate was such a white tornado in so many people's lives- wreaking havoc and chaos in her web of lies and thieving - from her maternal grandparents down to a stranger.

I wish ZG and her children were getting checks sent to them like the inmate is getting- I'd bet that ZG has worked legitimate jobs in her life to provide for herself and her children- something that the inmate didn't seem to want to do for very long- and now the public is giving her free room and board and extras.

imo

Hey postie! Good to see you.

Oh I totally agree with you on that except for one statment she made regarding the call from LE saying she was considered a suspect in a kidnapping. I don't think those were LE's exact words, imo.

They don't throw the word "suspect" out like that, imo. I do believe, however, that she did go through alot because of Casey's allegations. Hope she wins the suit.

[NYGalPal]

You're asking the wrong poster about that.
My guts tell me, yeah ...
he'll be on until the bitter end.
I have issue with him inserting himself as Bounty Hunter turned PI ...
If he wants to be a PI, why not just get the training required and be a REAL investigator. Something about the Bounty Hunter/PI thing leaves a really bad taste in my mouth.
Kinda like an overused TOOTHpick :wink:


I agree. He's most annoying. Tends to talk out of both sides of his mouth. When he comes on I tune him out now.

[jusdafacts]

LOL

Darn, I'm so mad I missed it. I would have rather watched it then read the transcripts. Just not the same affect.

Love her too.

You can watch it here!
Nancy Grace - January 9, 2009


Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxFSCE2rNLQ
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNv5pONCUkA
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMIq0bQdH4
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFFUFE4PeU
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgSqAF-WIOA
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQeJBLUJiBo
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYihTv3FPes

[MGM111]

I think the searchers really did not expect to find Caylee so close to home. They seemed fixed on the airport. Even thou someone did put up a graphic that showed all the search areas and the area where she was found was searched very early on........

I think that everyone gave casey way too much credit - we actually thought that she was a little bit smarter than she actually was...so much time and effort spent on pings, searching though hundreds of pages of transcripts...trying to figure out where she had placed little Caylee....she gave zero effort in disposing of the body...no thought process what so ever.....!!!!!!!

[NYGalPal]

You can watch it here!
Nancy Grace - January 9, 2009


Part 1 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cxFSCE2rNLQ
Part 2 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNv5pONCUkA
Part 3 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SeMIq0bQdH4
Part 4 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YTFFUFE4PeU
Part 5 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mgSqAF-WIOA
Part 6 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iQeJBLUJiBo
Part 7 - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pYihTv3FPes

:wub:
You're the best. Thank you so much. Off to watch now.

[Peter]

Will the next doc dump have the evidence that proves Casey killed Caylee and it was intentional on Casey's part or does LE have to keep it from being released if they are presenting this at trial?
I was thinking:
prints on duct tape
prints on garbage bag
garbage bag matches bags found in the house
soil on Caseys shoes match the scene
soil on shovel matches scene
chloroform mixture in the anthony house (from op last night)
soil at scene matches soil in trunk
Caylee was wearing what she had on in the video from the 15th
Caylee had her PJ's on
Caylee was wrapped in a sheet that matches the house linens

What else?
Anyone?

[Postergeist]

IIRC it was on the floorboard in the back seat. I don't think we ever did find out what kind of a knife it was.

thanx Willow! For some reason I thought way back when it was said it was a "kitchen" knife- but to me- I think of that as being different than say a dinner knife, butter knife- but a utility knife- boning, paring, cutting, etc.

[jusdafacts]

:wub:
You're the best. Thank you so much. Off to watch now.

Go to part 6 - around the 3:00 minute mark - it starts there!

[september]

Link:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[SavannahStar]

thanx Willow! For some reason I thought way back when it was said it was a "kitchen" knife- but to me- I think of that as being different than say a dinner knife, butter knife- but a utility knife- boning, paring, cutting, etc.

I thought it was said it was a "dinner knife". I could be wrong though, that is so long ago now. Maybe someone can come up with a link. I vaguely remember a discussion about how some think of a dinner knife as being the kind that goes with a set and is dull....others thought of it as being sharp like a steak knife.

[Peter]

I think that everyone gave casey way too much credit - we actually thought that she was a little bit smarter than she actually was...so much time and effort spent on pings, searching though hundreds of pages of transcripts...trying to figure out where she had placed little Caylee....she gave zero effort in disposing of the body...no thought process what so ever.....!!!!!!!

Yep, I agree. I always thought she wouldn't walk far into the woods, especially since it was probably dark. I spent alot of time studying maps, but I never thought she would dump her THAT close.

[WillowInFlight]

Peter, I am curious too, I would love to know how they know it was intentional and not accidental like they first thought.

[WillowInFlight]

I thought it was said it was a "dinner knife". I could be wrong though, that is so long ago now. Maybe someone can come up with a link. I vaguely remember a discussion about how some think of a dinner knife as being the kind that goes with a set and is dull....others thought of it as being sharp like a steak knife.

Yep SS we hashed that one over for forever. LOL

[Postergeist]

Hey postie! Good to see you.

Oh I totally agree with you on that except for one statment she made regarding the call from LE saying she was considered a suspect in a kidnapping. I don't think those were LE's exact words, imo.

They don't throw the word "suspect" out like that, imo. I do believe, however, that she did go through alot because of Casey's allegations. Hope she wins the suit.

good to see you too! I try to catch up and read on the threads- so I'm here off and on just not posting- so much gets covered I don't have anything new to add except pick everybody's memories on stuff.

And I never can keep up with what is allowed. :blush:

I too, hope she gets her day in court and gets some sort of compensation for the grief she went thru with the accusations.

imo

[Peter]

Peter, I am curious too, I would love to know how they know it was intentional and not accidental like they first thought.

I thought of something else after I hit submit;
Could there be chloroform residue on the duct tape found on Caylee?

[destiny1]

Peter, I am curious too, I would love to know how they know it was intentional and not accidental like they first thought.

Intent comes in not as a necessarily long premeditation, but in any case where a person purposely does something to another that could probably and not just vaguely possibly could cause the death of another.

[Lavenia]

Poor Jessica! She looked so shocked when Nancy insinuated that she and Casey were friends. Here was Jessica, the reporter of the day who broke this story and Nancy attacked her. Jessica did hold her own.
Here's a clue Nancy - the defendant's name is Casey!
LOL! I wish Jessica had said that her name is not
"tot mom."

Wow, that DID come out of the blue, didn't it? I know NG has called Casey by Casey before herself.

FWIW, in state prison, we were NEVER allowed to call an inmate by their first name and we weren't to use a "courtesy title", "Mr." either. An inmate was to be called by their last name ONLY. If your were in prison, you lost the privilege of that respect. That was difficult in some cases.

[WillowInFlight]

I thought of something else after I hit submit;
Could there be chloroform residue on the duct tape found on Caylee?

That could be a strong possibility, I also wonder if they found any prints off of it.

[SavannahStar]

Peter, I am curious too, I would love to know how they know it was intentional and not accidental like they first thought.

I don't recall if you were on last night or not Willow, but I posted that what I heard on NG confirmed for me that it was intentional....and what made me change my mind was the "duct tape on her mouth." Prior to that, I was not 100% convinced it was not an accidental death (although I always believed Casey killed her). Last night was a turning point for me.

[destiny1]

That could be a strong possibility, I also wonder if they found any prints off of it.


I haven't seen anything about it except for at the motion hearing when the State attorney mentioned the duct tape and print evidence.

It will be turned over to Baez eventually.

[Lavenia]

I thought it was said it was a "dinner knife". I could be wrong though, that is so long ago now. Maybe someone can come up with a link. I vaguely remember a discussion about how some think of a dinner knife as being the kind that goes with a set and is dull....others thought of it as being sharp like a steak knife.

I remember "dinner knife" also, because I, too, thought it was like a knife from a place setting.

[SavannahStar]

I remember "dinner knife" also, because I, too, thought it was like a knife from a place setting.

Thanks! Nice to know I'm not losing my mind. :thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

Yep SS we hashed that one over for forever. LOL

Yes, we did, lol.

[Lavenia]

Thanks! Nice to know I'm not losing my mind. :thumbsup:

Hey now, I didn't say anything about your mind! :tonguewag: :lol:

[VII]

Link:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

imo, Baez is trying to get Prosecution doing all this "busy work"
for no reason a'tall.
He has NO intention, whatsoever, in using that information.
Like requesting tip information then not picking it UP cuz he couldn't afford it.
What value could there be in knowing WHO all the searchers were?
NONE
Just wasted time and effort, if you ask me.

[WillowInFlight]

I don't recall if you were on last night or not Willow, but I posted that what I heard on NG confirmed for me that it was intentional....and what made me change my mind was the "duct tape on her mouth." Prior to that, I was not 100% convinced it was not an accidental death (although I always believed Casey killed her). Last night was a turning point for me.
I wonder if Lenny is still going with the theory that the tape was put there after death. I believe too that it was intentional, I'm just not sure if it was actually planned out, or a spur of the moment.

[callmetree]

Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle


:rose::rose::rose:


Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

thanks for the thread and the links. now i guess i'll go read and catch up. good morning to you all!

[AMS]

This was the exchange on NG last night that made me very sad.

GRACE: And also, after going over your information, Jessica D`Onofrio -- Jessica joining us from WKMG -- I also noticed that it said the duct tape was over the child`s mouth. And there`s been a lot of speculation about where was the duct tape? Was it wrapped around to conceal her identity? A whole lot of theories about the duct tape. Now we are confirming, according to this report, it was specifically placed over little Caylee`s mouth. Yes, no?

D`ONOFRIO: Yes.

[Regina.Lampert]

Go to part 6 - around the 3:00 minute mark - it starts there!

Thank you jusda!!! :thumbsup:

[Regina.Lampert]

I wonder if Lenny is still going with the theory that the tape was put there after death. I believe too that it was intentional, I'm just not sure if it was actually planned out, or a spur of the moment.

Hiya Will, I'm pretty sure last night he did a 180 and admitted it was no accident. Check NG transcripts.

[Postergeist]

Will the next doc dump have the evidence that proves Casey killed Caylee and it was intentional on Casey's part or does LE have to keep it from being released if they are presenting this at trial?
I was thinking:
prints on duct tape
prints on garbage bag
garbage bag matches bags found in the house
soil on Caseys shoes match the scene
soil on shovel matches scene
chloroform mixture in the anthony house (from op last night)
soil at scene matches soil in trunk
Caylee was wearing what she had on in the video from the 15th
Caylee had her PJ's on
Caylee was wrapped in a sheet that matches the house linens

What else?
Anyone?

I've thought for about 6 1/2 months that Caylee's outfit on the video was the last outfit she wore (other than possibly being put in pjs) and maybe that video evidence they have LE can place the book and clothes at the site.

I agree with your whole list- any or all could only help in the case.

Other things could be- the early reports of the scratches found on the trunk (which I orig. thought- oh- she stood on the top of the trunk to hoist a bag into the Dumpster at the Amscott) could now show having been marked up from maybe backing into low brush, foliage in the dump site area.

If the "second phone" did exist that she said she lost- it was found at the site

Caylee's shoes

Caylee's backpack

pesticide residue that matches the chemicals from the home that she may have sprayed in the trunk/on the bag/s to try to kill the maggots/flies

imo

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I guess we will not hear anything new today. I always have to come here to check with all of you to see if I am missing something. I hope we don;t have to wait forever for a trial. I am sure they will put it of as long as they can.jmho

[VII]

good to see you too! I try to catch up and read on the threads- so I'm here off and on just not posting- so much gets covered I don't have anything new to add except pick everybody's memories on stuff.

And I never can keep up with what is allowed. :blush:

I too, hope she gets her day in court and gets some sort of compensation for the grief she went thru with the accusations.

imo

Compensation from whom, $$-wise??
Dang sure ain't gonna be Casey.
IMO, she's been ~compensated~ with the clearing of her name, in that SHE wasn't THAT ZG.
Perhaps some of those who are reportedly contributing to her care now would be so kind as to give her a JOB so she can get HER face out of the media.
jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Hey now, I didn't say anything about your mind! :tonguewag: :lol:

Hey, the last couple of night's Lenny has appeared toothpickless, did you steal his pick like ya threatened to do???

:tonguewag:

[WillowInFlight]

Hiya Will, I'm pretty sure last night he did a 180 and admitted it was no accident. Check NG transcripts.

That's Lenny. LOL, He had that poor child falling off a balcony, drowning in a pool, choking on candy. You name it, he thought of it.

[trich]

Nancy isnt rude....shes for real....and just a teensy bit aggressive.:biggrin:

What I like about Nancy is she does not let "things" slide.
If she has a question about what someone has stated she most times
asks that important question that we all want to know.
Where as some reporters do not ask the "right " questions they allow
the people they are interviewing to express anything without questioning their answers.
Or challanging them for what they have said.
If it takes getting antsy with them so be it.
But I resent reporters who ask a question and when it is answered
they don't ask when, why , or where.....they just let it ride.
I say go Nancy make people explain their thoughts.

I actually can't believe the guy last night who claimed the new information about the bugs and the vegitaion growing through the skeleton/skull actually works against the porsecution.:shrug:

[Lavenia]

Will the next doc dump have the evidence that proves Casey killed Caylee and it was intentional on Casey's part or does LE have to keep it from being released if they are presenting this at trial?
I was thinking:
prints on duct tape
prints on garbage bag
garbage bag matches bags found in the house
soil on Caseys shoes match the scene
soil on shovel matches scene
chloroform mixture in the anthony house (from op last night)
soil at scene matches soil in trunk
Caylee was wearing what she had on in the video from the 15th
Caylee had her PJ's on
Caylee was wrapped in a sheet that matches the house linens

What else?
Anyone?


Good list, Peter and good question. I'm really fuzzy about how they determine what is releasable in the documents. Since we haven't really seen a "smoking gun" yet in the documents, and I have NO DOUBT there are some, I tend to think they get to keep those items 'til trial. (Don't they know they're supposed to share with us?!)

[desmom]

I thought it was said it was a "dinner knife". I could be wrong though, that is so long ago now. Maybe someone can come up with a link. I vaguely remember a discussion about how some think of a dinner knife as being the kind that goes with a set and is dull....others thought of it as being sharp like a steak knife.

LE's evidence report lists it as a "dinnerware knife" page 93 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf

[Lavenia]

Hey, the last couple of night's Lenny has appeared toothpickless, did you steal his pick like ya threatened to do???

:tonguewag:

Uh, no, I'd NEVER do that, and I wouldn't put it in the trashcan in the kitchen either. :sneaky:

[Postergeist]

I thought it was said it was a "dinner knife". I could be wrong though, that is so long ago now. Maybe someone can come up with a link. I vaguely remember a discussion about how some think of a dinner knife as being the kind that goes with a set and is dull....others thought of it as being sharp like a steak knife.

thanks Savannah- agree- if it was a "dinner" knife, I see that as going with the table setting (even tho some have enuf of a cutting edge to cut thru most meat) imo it wouldn't be practical to use it for much besides food. I wouldn't use it to cut tape or open a pkg. unless it's the only thing I had.

Don't need a link- our good posters memories are good enuf for me!

:thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

I wonder if Lenny is still going with the theory that the tape was put there after death. I believe too that it was intentional, I'm just not sure if it was actually planned out, or a spur of the moment.


I don't think that theory holds any water in OR out of court (placing the duct tape on after death).

I'm still "out" on whether or not she planned this for a long time....I tend to think not.....but that really doesn't matter, as we all know, premeditation can happen in the blink of an eye.

That duct tape did it for me. I needed confirmation, and what I got is good enough.

[VII]

I don't recall if you were on last night or not Willow, but I posted that what I heard on NG confirmed for me that it was intentional....and what made me change my mind was the "duct tape on her mouth." Prior to that, I was not 100% convinced it was not an accidental death (although I always believed Casey killed her). Last night was a turning point for me.

What is so SICKENING is the thought that Caylee was most likely in the trunk of her car w/duct tape over her mouth the evening Casey and TonE were skipping happily through Block Buster.
witch

[SavannahStar]

LE's evidence report lists it as a "dinnerware knife" page 93 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Casey%20Anthony%20discovery%20Pages%20264-431.pdf


Hey you're on the ball this morning! TY!

[destiny1]

I don't think the word tot is disrespectful. Nancy Grace has been calling Casey tot mom for quite some time in this case. What do you think is disrespcetful about it? Caylee was a tot and Casey is her Mom.

tot (1)

"little child," 1725, Scottish
Hello adalena, I think that casey and Caylee in the same moniker is just no longer practical and downright wrong. An innocent and a demon so to speak. I try to disassociate the two from now on because the one left breathing is beyond reproach, despicable and evil.

[bchand]

I don't think the word tot is disrespectful. Nancy Grace has been calling Casey tot mom for quite some time in this case. What do you think is disrespcetful about it? Caylee was a tot and Casey is her Mom.

tot (1)

"little child," 1725, Scottish

Just reading while curling my hair here, but I agree.

The "mom" part is what is disrespectful. She is no longer a mom and it was her choice.

[september]

imo, Baez is trying to get Prosecution doing all this "busy work"
for no reason a'tall.
He has NO intention, whatsoever, in using that information.
Like requesting tip information then not picking it UP cuz he couldn't afford it.
What value could there be in knowing WHO all the searchers were?
NONE
Just wasted time and effort, if you ask me.

I agree V11. Wasting LE resources has been a major part of the defense strategy. The constant Caylee sightings from all over the country was not only a way to raise reasonable doubt but an effort to keep LE spread thin and unable to focus on building the case against casey.

I was shocked when Baez thought the trial date was set for March and the prosecutor had to set him straight. I truly believe that if she is convicted ineffective counsel will be a serious appeal issue.

[101Spots]

Mornin' n/t- while I didn't see Greta's show- just reading what happened made me feel bad for ZG and her children. Being accused of something as serious as kidnapping, having detectives come into your home and go thru each room, question your children- then losing your job and your home because your boss and your landlord don't want you there because of false allegations made against you.

:sad:

It just seems like the inmate was such a white tornado in so many people's lives- wreaking havoc and chaos in her web of lies and thieving - from her maternal grandparents down to a stranger.

I wish ZG and her children were getting checks sent to them like the inmate is getting- I'd bet that ZG has worked legitimate jobs in her life to provide for herself and her children- something that the inmate didn't seem to want to do for very long- and now the public is giving her free room and board and extras.

imo

I think of it more along the lines of a toxic spill.

[destiny1]

That's Lenny. LOL, He had that poor child falling off a balcony, drowning in a pool, choking on candy. You name it, he thought of it.

I saw that U turn as well. Legally it is my understanding that Intent is anything done that could cause death. a normal functioning adult and most children would know what those things would be.

[i_pickle]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.George is an enigma to me. I listened to the FBI interview and it was pretty clear that he knew Caylee was in that car at some point. As someone that had worked in law enforcement, he knew the smell of death. He stated it's a smell you never forget (paraphrasing)

He also said that he knew Cindy needed to stop dissing LE and others that were trying to help. He said he knew the interviews need to stop. He implied that he was aware that everything pointed to Casey.

Then he went on LKL and talked about rotting pizza in the trunk. He was very adament about it---said he knows what the smell was because he saw it (rotting food/pizza) And sat there while Cindy stated that they knew Casey could never harm the child.

He did the exact opposite of what he told the FBI he would do---talk to Cindy about interviews and lied about knowing the smell was pizza.

This is a good example of why I can't get behind the A's. I feel for them because of their tremendous loss but at the same time their behavior has been inexcusable, imo. And as someone said last night, their lies helped no one.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself about this. I just can't get past it. I think they should be held accountable and if that means being charged with a crime, then so be it.

JMO

[Postergeist]

Compensation from whom, $$-wise??
Dang sure ain't gonna be Casey.
IMO, she's been ~compensated~ with the clearing of her name, in that SHE wasn't THAT ZG.
Perhaps some of those who are reportedly contributing to her care now would be so kind as to give her a JOB so she can get HER face out of the media.
jmo

It seems she was the only ZG contacted by LE and it was only because of the inmate that she was even contacted. If Casey has any sort of estate, monies or future monies I'd think an atty could try to get a portion of that for his client. Not really sure tho- as I just don't have that much exp. with the law and with attys. (ttl)

Just thinking tho how many people either lost their job or quit working due to a "missing child"- Lee, G & C, and ZG but it all ties back to Casey.

imo

[Pruddennce]

Will the next doc dump have the evidence that proves Casey killed Caylee and it was intentional on Casey's part or does LE have to keep it from being released if they are presenting this at trial?
I was thinking:
prints on duct tape
prints on garbage bag
garbage bag matches bags found in the house
soil on Caseys shoes match the scene
soil on shovel matches scene
chloroform mixture in the anthony house (from op last night)
soil at scene matches soil in trunk
Caylee was wearing what she had on in the video from the 15th
Caylee had her PJ's on
Caylee was wrapped in a sheet that matches the house linens

What else?
Anyone?

not so much evidence, but the jailhouse visit in August with her parents that has not been released.

IMO, it might be Casey lashing out and thrashing about at her parents.....similar to her very first phone call from jail with Cindy.

and/or something slipped about her feelings about Caylee and Cindy's relationship.....and perhaps somewhat incriminating as to 'state of mind' when she left the home: not the 'just another normal day' per Cindy and George.

George's account has always been suspect as he never discussed the day up to 10 to 1 with LE. He has Casey and Caylee 'simply appearing' in the living room with backpacks on.

secondy, there is the matter of a phone call being made to Casey's cell from the Anthony home at 7:30am or thereabouts.

that creates a BIG problem for the Anthonys and their account.

also: where are the families detailed cell phone records? GA, CA, LA.
those records have not been released.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Peter]

Good list, Peter and good question. I'm really fuzzy about how they determine what is releasable in the documents. Since we haven't really seen a "smoking gun" yet in the documents, and I have NO DOUBT there are some, I tend to think they get to keep those items 'til trial. (Don't they know they're supposed to share with us?!)

Yep its alot of work to think of all the possibilities. I want to know!
I'm gonna have to use my vacation to sit in on the trial if its not televised...And i'm nobody so I probably couldn't get in the court room if I wanted to... Maybe Biaz will try to sell court room seats....He seems that stupid..

[bluwaters]

Wow, that DID come out of the blue, didn't it? I know NG has called Casey by Casey before herself.

FWIW, in state prison, we were NEVER allowed to call an inmate by their first name and we weren't to use a "courtesy title", "Mr." either. An inmate was to be called by their last name ONLY. If your were in prison, you lost the privilege of that respect. That was difficult in some cases.
That is so interesting about the names in prison.
It must be difficult, especially with common names like Smith,Jones, etc.
Of course, in this case, if a reporter referred to anyone as "Anthony" it would be total confusion. Which Anthony? Last name Anthony or first name Anthony?
I don't like "tot mom" as I think it gives Casey too much credit and is sensational.
I also wish NG would drop the "desperate search" part of her opening statement. The desperate search now is not for Caylee, but for the truth.
I used to despise NG, but, in this case, I have grown rather fond of her. She's a trip!
I have told my DH if I ever go missing get NG and Tim Miller on it right away. Oh, and bring in Lenny too, just cause I like him. :tongue:

[destiny1]

I think the killing was definitely premeditated. The way she searched the web for breaking necks, chloroform, and the way she double wrapped the body in plastic garbage bags, duct tape and hid that evidence in heavily wooded area. And that it was perpetrated against a small child. Title XLVI CRIMES
Chapter 782 HOMICIDE
782.04 Murder.--


I think Casey not only killed her baby, I think she planned to kill her parents too. Her friends said she invited them to live with her in her parent's house. That her parents would go away soon to another state leaving her the house and everything in it.

Cindy's FBI interview further confirms this when she tells the investigators she received a change of address from the post office saying Amy had already put in a change of address to the Anthony home address. I think they were lucky to escape her murderous intent.


what many don't understand and I didn't until I spoke with a friend in the business is that a broken neck is not necessarily visible in bone. No bone is directly connected to another, and if there was no cartilage left, there is no way to tell, especially in a child that was Caylees age.

[SavannahStar]

Just reading while curling my hair here, but I agree.

The "mom" part is what is disrespectful. She is no longer a mom and it was her choice.


Most of the time I heard NG use that term I just thought it was stupid. I dunno maybe it's a Southern thing, but I think of the word "tot" as being very archaic. Who uses that word anymore? My son happened to be watching one night with me (he's 23) and he was totally puzzled, asked me "what's a 'tot'"? :mellow:

[VII]

I agree V11. Wasting LE resources has been a major part of the defense strategy. The constant Caylee sightings from all over the country was not only a way to raise reasonable doubt but an effort to keep LE spread thin and unable to focus on building the case against casey.

I was shocked when Baez thought the trial date was set for March and the prosecutor had to set him straight. I truly believe that if she is convicted ineffective counsel will be a serious appeal issue.

Yes. Instead of working for him, Prosecution should closely examine his "conduct" with his client and the crap he has pulled and file a motion to have him expelled from the case on misconduct while at the SAME time, turning him over to the bar and having him ousted, for GOOD.

[destiny1]

Did you click on it? Evil little grin ------> :tongue:

I did. :tongue:


I am so glad Lenny seems to be coming to his senses.

[Neffy]

Hi Neffy!

wouldn't want to have to lawyer up now would I??? :chicken:

Those people are downright SCARY....and I thought I had seen almost everything!!!

LOL . I was thinking more in lines of Band Camp but that's a good point .

[n/t]

What is so SICKENING is the thought that Caylee was most likely in the trunk of her car w/duct tape over her mouth the evening Casey and TonE were skipping happily through Block Buster.
witch

The thought sickens me. How can anyone do this to their own baby? Poor Caylee :crying:

[SavannahStar]

Yep its alot of work to think of all the possibilities. I want to know!
I'm gonna have to use my vacation to sit in on the trial if its not televised...And i'm nobody so I probably couldn't get in the court room if I wanted to... Maybe Biaz will try to sell court room seats....He seems that stupid..


Often the court will have a certain number of seats for the public which are given out by lottery. You put your name in for a seat and they "draw" so many names.

[summer4meplz]

Link:http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226026&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

good morning everyone!! does anyone know just how much personal information the volunteer searchers have to put on the application? iirc there were thousands of volunteers...are we supposed to believe baez is going to investigate each and everyone of them? I can understand baez wanting to know WHERE they searched...but WHO searched is personal info...I would think...but I'm not a lawyer....

[Postergeist]

That's Lenny. LOL, He had that poor child falling off a balcony, drowning in a pool, choking on candy. You name it, he thought of it.

Part of me likes to think of Lenny as a MB poster- in my thinking he represents those that can't ever get in to call but have tossed all kinds of theories out there. In a lot of ways he's got more leeway to toss stuff out there than her typical guests do (usually all experts).

She, for what ever reason- has surely given him more time than she has spent with the psychic.

The times I've seen him he hasn't been a hot head or overly emotional (we saw that happen a few times with Tim Miller, Mark Klaas, etc.)

He can speak for the common man or woman in ways that the ME's, attorneys, and LE officials she has on don't or can't.

well- a gal can dream anyway! :tongue:

imo

[destiny1]

Just reading while curling my hair here, but I agree.

The "mom" part is what is disrespectful. She is no longer a mom and it was her choice.

I saw a suggestion here, but I don't dare use it.

[Neffy]

Most of the time I heard NG use that term I just thought it was stupid. I dunno maybe it's a Southern thing, but I think of the word "tot" as being very archaic. Who uses that word anymore? My son happened to be watching one night with me (he's 23) and he was totally puzzled, asked me "what's a 'tot'"? :mellow:

Maybe time to expand the old vocabulary.

Do a generic search for TOT and DAYCARE.

Pretty common word and nothing unusual about it.

[101Spots]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/09/ng.01.html

Thank you so much!

[VII]

It seems she was the only ZG contacted by LE and it was only because of the inmate that she was even contacted. If Casey has any sort of estate, monies or future monies I'd think an atty could try to get a portion of that for his client. Not really sure tho- as I just don't have that much exp. with the law and with attys. (ttl)

Just thinking tho how many people either lost their job or quit working due to a "missing child"- Lee, G & C, and ZG but it all ties back to Casey.

imo

The only future monies Casey could POSSIBLY come into would be someone's will and I would HOPE that they've had those ammended.
Lest it be monies from a book or movie deal -- like OJ -- and can't the court DO something about that before it happens?
hoping

[destiny1]

The thought sickens me. How can anyone do this to their own baby? Poor Caylee :crying:
The thought that anyone could do that to any other human being is just unreal.

[Postergeist]

good morning everyone!! does anyone know just how much personal information the volunteer searchers have to put on the application? iirc there were thousands of volunteers...are we supposed to believe baez is going to investigate each and everyone of them? I can understand baez wanting to know WHERE they searched...but WHO searched is personal info...I would think...but I'm not a lawyer....

well crud- a long time ago I recall seeing a form from a link here that shows what all has to be filled out (also stating no cameras, etc.) but don't have it saved.

I volunteered on a search in Nov. and I had to show photo ID, list DOB, sign a consent form- so people could get info from that.

imo

[september]

It looks like some planning has stared. See link below. I'm still wondering who has control.....Baez or the Anthony's.

Lhttp://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1ink

[Peter]

Often the court will have a certain number of seats for the public which are given out by lottery. You put your name in for a seat and they "draw" so many names.


Great I have a chance, although my family may disown me. lol
I am surprised that G & C have not said a peep since Caylee has been found. It's what they should have done long ago.

[SavannahStar]

Maybe time to expand the old vocabulary.

Do a generic search for TOT and DAYCARE.

Pretty common word and nothing unusual about it.

I don't think it's common. I hear toddler far more often, these days.

Nor do I think that's something to argue about. We can just drop it okay.

[bchand]

Most of the time I heard NG use that term I just thought it was stupid. I dunno maybe it's a Southern thing, but I think of the word "tot" as being very archaic. Who uses that word anymore? My son happened to be watching one night with me (he's 23) and he was totally puzzled, asked me "what's a 'tot'"? :mellow:

I don't know. tot = toddler? It's just in my mind she's lost the privilege of being called any kind of "mom."

[desmom]

good morning everyone!! does anyone know just how much personal information the volunteer searchers have to put on the application? iirc there were thousands of volunteers...are we supposed to believe baez is going to investigate each and everyone of them? I can understand baez wanting to know WHERE they searched...but WHO searched is personal info...I would think...but I'm not a lawyer....

I think this is the form the volunteers had to complete

http://www.texasequusearch.org/applications/VOLUNTEER-REGISTRATION-AGREEMENT.pdf

[destiny1]

I don't know. tot = toddler? It's just in my mind she's lost the privilege of being called any kind of "mom."

That thing was never anything but a bio vessel IMO. she was never truly a mom. Caylee was at first, a cute little baby that got casey attention, but as she grew, she became a bother to casey.

[VII]

The thought sickens me. How can anyone do this to their own baby? Poor Caylee :crying:

Only someone self-absorbed, spoiled, selfish, "I want what I want NOW" and countless other behaviors ...
Only Casey.

[bchand]

It looks like some planning has stared. See link below. I'm still wondering who has control.....Baez or the Anthony's.

Lhttp://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1ink

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Neffy]

I saw a suggestion here, but I don't dare use it.

You can always call her by her newly given name: INMATE # 08049710

[Peter]

snipped

secondy, there is the matter of a phone call being made to Casey's cell from the Anthony home at 7:30am or thereabouts.

that creates a BIG problem for the Anthonys and their account.

IMO

best regards,
Pru[/QUOTE]

Cindy will probably say she sent Casey to the store for milk, then called her to pick up something else. How's that for cindy speak?

[september]

George is an enigma to me. I listened to the FBI interview and it was pretty clear that he knew Caylee was in that car at some point. As someone that had worked in law enforcement, he knew the smell of death. He stated it's a smell you never forget (paraphrasing)

He also said that he knew Cindy needed to stop dissing LE and others that were trying to help. He said he knew the interviews need to stop. He implied that he was aware that everything pointed to Casey.

Then he went on LKL and talked about rotting pizza in the trunk. He was very adament about it---said he knows what the smell was because he saw it (rotting food/pizza) And sat there while Cindy stated that they knew Casey could never harm the child.

He did the exact opposite of what he told the FBI he would do---talk to Cindy about interviews and lied about knowing the smell was pizza.

This is a good example of why I can't get behind the A's. I feel for them because of their tremendous loss but at the same time their behavior has been inexcusable, imo. And as someone said last night, their lies helped no one.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself about this. I just can't get past it. I think they should be held accountable and if that means being charged with a crime, then so be it.

JMO

Excellent post Pickle. I just think he is a wimp and is afraid of losing Cindy's financial support. I do not believe his life will be easy because Cindy will never forgive his (as she sees it) betrayal.

[Postergeist]

The only future monies Casey could POSSIBLY come into would be someone's will and I would HOPE that they've had those ammended.
Lest it be monies from a book or movie deal -- like OJ -- and can't the court DO something about that before it happens?
hoping

hmm- well have you forgotten that there may be a fella out there just wanting a jailhouse bride and she could marry into some money while she's behind bars.

it could happen.

:tongueside:

imo

[callmetree]

Good A.M. floridamom --
I agree they had NOTHING to do with killing Caylee. I also don't think they mislead LE with malice, I think they desparately wanted to believe Casey and since LE wasn't listening to her, thought they were her only EAR and that it would help her if they found an alive Caylee.
I want to believe that since Caylee's body has been found, as it was, and there is no DOUBT about "who did it" that they are just trying to digest the horror of it all. With all the displays of anger ... their attorney has advised them, and they appear to be hearing, to lay low, NOT to attend hearings, and for them to not make a media statement of their change of what they believe. He is encouraging them, perhaps, to do nothing to heighten media attention to their relationship with Casey at this point -- vague statements being made, no significant change, and their sorrow/hurt/ANGER toward their daughter not be the topic of HeadLine News.

As for George and his ~sneakin'~ to talk to the FBI ...
Just another example of his character. No George fan here. He should have "manned UP" as the MAN of the house and done what he needed to to put an end to this instead of enabling his wife to live in denial, his daughter to perpetuate this fiasco and etc...
He even sent LEE over to the house when Cindy was bringing her home.
It was when they realized that something was WRONG that he should have taken control of the ship, and he didn't.
weazel

i so flip flop on this. one day i want them all to go to jail then the next i tell myself ,well if maybe one of them would just tell the truth (and i do feel they know the truth) we would finally know what happened to caylee for sure. i do think casey will turn on them. the thought of her ever getting out of jail sickens me. i'm so sfraid of that 1 nutty juror. :blink:

[SavannahStar]

I don't know. tot = toddler? It's just in my mind she's lost the privilege of being called any kind of "mom."

Right, tot = toddler. But I recall hearing "tot" much more years and years ago. I think it's been more or less replaced. I never hear anyone say "I have three tots at home"......it's usually "toddler." Sure there could be 1,000 "Tiny Tots Daycares" around the country, but I still don't think it's really a common word nowadays in most parents' vocabulary.

[WillowInFlight]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Oh I see they are banning Lenny from attending.

[Neffy]

I don't know. tot = toddler? It's just in my mind she's lost the privilege of being called any kind of "mom."

Correct tot=toddler.

Mom doesn't quite fit the bill.

[Peter]

I saw a suggestion here, but I don't dare use it.

Oh I thought that too...101 ways to curl your hair!

[jusdafacts]

You can always call her by her newly given name: INMATE # 08049710

Thank you! I was just looking for that info!!! I agree - the odious one's name should no longer be mentioned, just her inmate # - what a great idea!!!!

[Postergeist]

I don't think it's common. I hear toddler far more often, these days.

Nor do I think that's something to argue about. We can just drop it okay.

Ron White calls his offspring "tater tot" (Blue Collar Comedy dude)

wait- maybe it's tater salad... lol

(during the NF case- I wasn't used to women calling their children "kiddos" even tho I'm familiar with it)

[bluwaters]

snipped

secondy, there is the matter of a phone call being made to Casey's cell from the Anthony home at 7:30am or thereabouts.

that creates a BIG problem for the Anthonys and their account.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Cindy will probably say she sent Casey to the store for milk, then called her to pick up something else. How's that for cindy speak?
but,but...Cindy heard them sleeping...

[september]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Thanks for the save bc......not sure what happened.

[Neffy]

Oh I see they are banning Lenny from attending.


Do you think they'll cut him out of the "Lifetime Movie" to alleged to be in the works? LOL!

[SavannahStar]

Ron White calls his offspring "tater tot" (Blue Collar Comedy dude)

wait- maybe it's tater salad... lol

(during the NF case- I wasn't used to women calling their children "kiddos" even tho I'm familiar with it)

Ron White is one of my heroes! :wub:

[VII]

hmm- well have you forgotten that there may be a fella out there just wanting a jailhouse bride and she could marry into some money while she's behind bars.

it could happen.

:tongueside:

imo

but why?
I could go on with this line of *thought* but I'd run the risk of a time out or band camp ... ain't happenin'....

[bchand]

Thanks for the save bc......not sure what happened.

n/p september - happens to me too.

[WillowInFlight]

Do you think they'll cut him out of the "Lifetime Movie" to alleged to be in the works? LOL!

Didn't Lenny say the only way Lifetime would go forward is if there WASN'T a conviction, or did I hear him wrong?

[Pruddennce]

This is a good example of why I can't get behind the A's. I feel for them because of their tremendous loss but at the same time their behavior has been inexcusable, imo. And as someone said last night, their lies helped no one.

Sorry if I'm repeating myself about this. I just can't get past it. I think they should be held accountable and if that means being charged with a crime, then so be it.

JMO

respectfully snipped.....

spot on. "their lies helped NO ONE".....meaning finding out the disposition of Caylee.....it was a concerted attempt to 'help' Casey's situation.

IMIO

best regards,
Pru

[september]

Do you think they'll cut him out of the "Lifetime Movie" to alleged to be in the works? LOL!

Well the Anthony's have already "cut him out" of the funeral.

[VII]

i so flip flop on this. one day i want them all to go to jail then the next i tell myself ,well if maybe one of them would just tell the truth (and i do feel they know the truth) we would finally know what happened to caylee for sure. i do think casey will turn on them. the thought of her ever getting out of jail sickens me. i'm so sfraid of that 1 nutty juror. :blink:

yeah, I'm a flip-flop too and it's been blown out several times.
I'm hoping Prosecution will be able to SPOT that nutty one and rule them OUT.
ya just never know, though.

[johnielee333]

Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle


:rose::rose::rose:


Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

i signed the guest book & lit a candle for sweet little Caylee.
thanks for putting this here for us.

3 Rose's For Caylee.

[101Spots]

Yes. Instead of working for him, Prosecution should closely examine his "conduct" with his client and the crap he has pulled and file a motion to have him expelled from the case on misconduct while at the SAME time, turning him over to the bar and having him ousted, for GOOD.

This reminded me of Baez this morning:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq

[i_pickle]

Excellent post Pickle. I just think he is a wimp and is afraid of losing Cindy's financial support. I do not believe his life will be easy because Cindy will never forgive his (as she sees it) betrayal.Thanks. Wimp is a good description.

Imo, Cindy has it backwards. Imo, they betrayed Caylee by covering up for her killer. I wonder how they'll be able to live with that.

[Lavenia]

That is so interesting about the names in prison.
It must be difficult, especially with common names like Smith,Jones, etc.
Of course, in this case, if a reporter referred to anyone as "Anthony" it would be total confusion. Which Anthony? Last name Anthony or first name Anthony?
I don't like "tot mom" as I think it gives Casey too much credit and is sensational.
I also wish NG would drop the "desperate search" part of her opening statement. The desperate search now is not for Caylee, but for the truth.
I used to despise NG, but, in this case, I have grown rather fond of her. She's a trip!
I have told my DH if I ever go missing get NG and Tim Miller on it right away. Oh, and bring in Lenny too, just cause I like him. :tongue:


IME, you *can* use a first name in that case, just to differentiate an inmate but even then the inmate's ID number is usually used. Jones, 671534! Or if you have 2 Jones' on the floor, you just look at one and gesture like this :cursing:.

[SavannahStar]

Didn't Lenny say the only way Lifetime would go forward is if there WASN'T a conviction, or did I hear him wrong?

He said if no indictment (of the A's).

IIRC.

(Lifetime denied ANY plans for a movie, again, IIRC.)

[johnielee333]

i signed the guest book & lit a candle for sweet little Caylee.
thanks for putting this here for us.

3 Rose's For Caylee.


3 Rose's For Caylee
:rose: :rose: :rose:

[summer4meplz]

I think this is the form the volunteers had to complete

http://www.texasequusearch.org/applications/VOLUNTEER-REGISTRATION-AGREEMENT.pdf


thanks Postergeist and Desmom....I think it's a lot of personal info....address....email addy....phone numbers....employer....DOB.....driver's license number...vehicle description.....

I don't think baez will have access to the searcher's info.....

my opinion only.....

I thought ng was a little hard on reporter Jessica just because she called casey casey.....but ng....thank God for her....but she can sure be rude.....

It will be interesting to see if the extended family of george and cindy will be invited to Caylee's funeral....when and if there ever is one....and it will also be interesting to see if Lenny will be kicked out of the public one....I have a feeling we are not going to see a kinder and gentler george and cindy when they come out of "seclusion"....have a feeling it will be the same old same ole......

[WillowInFlight]

He said if no indictment (of the A's).

IIRC.

(Lifetime denied ANY plans for a movie, again, IIRC.)

Yes I remember reading that they deny any plans for a movie also.

[Lavenia]

Ron White is one of my heroes! :wub:

I had the right to remain silent...But not the ability. Too funny.

[september]

thanks Postergeist and Desmom....I think it's a lot of personal info....address....email addy....phone numbers....employer....DOB.....driver's license number...vehicle description.....

I don't think baez will have access to the searcher's info.....

my opinion only.....

I thought ng was a little hard on reporter Jessica just because she called casey casey.....but ng....thank God for her....but she can sure be rude.....

It will be interesting to see if the extended family of george and cindy will be invited to Caylee's funeral....when and if there ever is one....and it will also be interesting to see if Lenny will be kicked out of the public one....I have a feeling we are not going to see a kinder and gentler george and cindy when they come out of "seclusion"....have a feeling it will be the same old same ole......

Are you saying a leopard can't change its spots?

[VII]

This reminded me of Baez this morning:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq

L'ing OL, 101
yeah, but I don't think Baez has that much paperwork on his desk.
HE CAN'T AFFORD IT :rolleyes:

[johnielee333]

Seems to me they like murderers of any kind. Very strange.

I remember that poster and it was proven her sister was justly tried.

alot of people believe their loved one is unjustly tried & convicted.
they either really believe it or they just dont want to accept the truth.
IMO-JMO

[Pruddennce]

but,but...Cindy heard them sleeping...

and according to George, he never saw Casey and Caylee when he got home from work that nite "Im ALMOST POSITIVE that Casey's car was in the driveway and I would be led to believe they were both there"

GA interview with LE 8/4

ALMOST POSTIVE?
LED TO BELIEVE?

page 9
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

I lean toward her not being there when he came home because of his careful choice of words.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

Didn't Lenny say the only way Lifetime would go forward is if there WASN'T a conviction, or did I hear him wrong?

I heard that also which makes no sense.

None of them could possibly be cast in a good light.

The only difference to my understanding would be that it's illegal to profit if you've been convicted of the crime you are selling out on.

IMO if you have to question the legalities of your part - conviction or not there's still that moral bankrupcy going on and doesn't make you look much better.

[Peter]

but,but...Cindy heard them sleeping...


What do you hear when someone is sleeping?.....snoring? pulease

[callmetree]

Perfect! I wish she had said that!!! :laugh: Too bad Nancy has to be so rude to everyone. :thumbdown:

yet we all of to watch her. and nancy is not near as tough since she had her babies. i love it when the hard core nancy comes out. this case has gotten to her as much as it has the rest of us. i guess if some of us don't like it when she is (so called) rude we can always use the wonderful thing called a remote control and change channels. JMOO:glare:

[WillowInFlight]

alot of people believe their loved one is unjustly tried & convicted.
they either really believe it or they just dont want to accept the truth.
IMO-JMO

I think after the Anthonys have seen how cold and unfeeling Casey is, they have to believe that their daughter is in fact a murderer.

[destiny1]

I heard that also which makes no sense.

None of them could possibly be cast in a good light.

The only difference to my understanding would be that it's illegal to profit if you've been convicted of the crime you are selling out on.

IMO if you have to question the legalities of your part - conviction or not there's still that moral bankrupcy going on and doesn't make you look much better.

I think they bankrupted themselves back in June.

[callmetree]

She tells it like it is and that is hard for people who are jealous of her to understand. People complain, yet still watch her. NG should thank them for keeping her ratings up. :lol:

u said it nygal:thumbsup:

[VII]

alot of people believe their loved one is unjustly tried & convicted.
they either really believe it or they just dont want to accept the truth.
IMO-JMO

Reminds me of programs available in some prisons where the victims family is provided the opportunity to face the murderer and talk through. This is FOR the family, so they can reach a form of forgiveness in order to move on with their lives vs hanging on to that hatred and further destroying them.

When the murderer is also family, it is SO difficult to differentiate, in this case, "daughter" vs "killer". G & C don't want to accept the truth. For that, I have empathy.

[destiny1]

What do you hear when someone is sleeping?.....snoring? pulease

deep breathing can be heard through a door when some people are sleeping, especially in a warm humid area. That part never bothered me, but the time line did with INMATE # 08049710s phone records and the alleged incidents that happened before.

[SavannahStar]

I think after the Anthonys have seen how cold and unfeeling Casey is, they have to believe that their daughter is in fact a murderer.


Oh I believe that as well, Willow. 100%.

[Neffy]

Cindy will probably say she sent Casey to the store for milk, then called her to pick up something else. How's that for cindy speak?


IIRC, Cindy told LE she "heard" Casey and Caylee sleeping before she went to work on the morning of June 16th.[/QUOTE]

UHG! That's revolting and why the "angry villagers" chant outside of their house.

[callmetree]

IIRC it was on the floorboard in the back seat. I don't think we ever did find out what kind of a knife it was.

maybe to cut the duct tape? i know i have a hard time tearing it. just a guess.....

[SavannahStar]

deep breathing can be heard through a door when some people are sleeping, especially in a warm humid area. That part never bothered me, but the time line did with INMATE # 08049710s phone records and the alleged incidents that happened before.


That part never bothered me either. So much is made of it, though. I never thought of the deep breathing, but I did think maybe she could have heard one of them roll over, hit a table, whatever. And very young kids often make "sounds" when sleeping. It's just no big deal, to me.

[destiny1]

IIRC, Cindy told LE she "heard" Casey and Caylee sleeping before she went to work on the morning of June 16th.

UHG! That's revolting and why the "angry villagers" chant outside of their house.[/QUOTE]

:no: Now now Neffy, put away that tar and those feathers!

[Neffy]

I think they bankrupted themselves back in June.

Except being morally bankrupt doesn't erase from the record in 7 years.

[SavannahStar]

yet we all of to watch her. and nancy is not near as tough since she had her babies. i love it when the hard core nancy comes out. this case has gotten to her as much as it has the rest of us. i guess if some of us don't like it when she is (so called) rude we can always use the wonderful thing called a remote control and change channels. JMOO:glare:

I think I can still watch her (though I don't EVERY single night) and make comments about her rudeness. My opinion of her rudeness does not mean I have to change the channel. There are others on her show I wish to hear from, and sometimes we get some real 'news'. I detested her big mouth last night......but last night's show made me turn my opinion from "possibly" accidental death to "for sure" murder.

There are many others on here who also feel she is rude (judging by comments this morning) but still watch her. I don't see a big deal.

[Postergeist]

What do you hear when someone is sleeping?.....snoring? pulease

well, the defense may put on medical experts to say that the defendant has a medical history of sinus probs, or sleep apnea, or teeth grinding or talks in her sleep...

:wink: imo

[WillowInFlight]

I think I can still watch her (though I don't EVERY single night) and make comments about her rudeness. My opinion of her rudeness does not mean I have to change the channel. There are others on her show I wish to hear from, and sometimes we get some real 'news'. I detested her big mouth last night......but last night's show made me turn my opinion from "possibly" accidental death to "for sure" murder.

There are many others on here who also feel she is rude (judging by comments this morning) but still watch her. I don't see a big deal.

She does tend to go over the edge, My hubby can't stand the sound of her. I love when she rolls her eyes and wrinkles up her nose.

[Neffy]

:no: Now now Neffy, put away that tar and those feathers!

Quote fixing LOL

I thought that was disgusting the way the villagers acted.

BUT I understood why they did it :)

[SavannahStar]

She does tend to go over the edge, My hubby can't stand the sound of her. I love when she rolls her eyes and wrinkles up her nose.

OMG my son is the same way....he detests her and wonders why I even watch. Well, as has been said, she is one of the few shows that cover this case. Greta has, recently, though. I've always enjoyed Greta. She's never been rude to anyone on her show, at least.

[destiny1]

well, the defense may put on medical experts to say that the defendant has a medical history of sinus probs, or sleep apnea, or teeth grinding or talks in her sleep...

:wink: imo

If INMATE # 08049710talks in her sleep, I would love to hear what it has to say.

[Peter]

deep breathing can be heard through a door when some people are sleeping, especially in a warm humid area. That part never bothered me, but the time line did with INMATE # 08049710s phone records and the alleged incidents that happened before.


I just have a hard time believing anything Cindy says, It's no wonder why.

[Regina.Lampert]

Quote fixing LOL

I thought that was disgusting the way the villagers acted.

BUT I understood why they did it :)

As our wonderful poster Mac said: When you create a monster, more then likely the villagers will eventually show up with pitchforks and torches.

[Peter]

If INMATE # 08049710talks in her sleep, I would love to hear what it has to say.

We know she has night sweats.

[Neffy]

I think after the Anthonys have seen how cold and unfeeling Casey is, they have to believe that their daughter is in fact a murderer.

IMO they will never believe that. The closest they'll come is there was an accident and Casey panicked.

I'd always thought that it was a rage killing last minute killing. To much evidence says it wasn't.

[Postergeist]

IMO they did mislead everyone they could, including LE, but I think it was because they had a desperate knowledge that Casey was guilty. If you believe in someone's innocence there is no need to mislead, is there?:smile:

good point- imo, the first two 911 calls were misleading.

[SavannahStar]

IMO they will never believe that. The closest they'll come is there was an accident and Casey panicked.

*snipped*


I think their current silence is indicative they DO believe that.

We'll see, though.

[tomsgirl]

She does tend to go over the edge, My hubby can't stand the sound of her. I love when she rolls her eyes and wrinkles up her nose.

I think it is toooo funny when she puts both fists to her eyes and goes eh-eh. Fake crying. I laugh every time she does that. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

IMO they will never believe that. The closest they'll come is there was an accident and Casey panicked.

I'd always thought that it was a rage killing last minute killing. To much evidence says it wasn't.

I think after the trial they will come to terms with the truth.

[Postergeist]

IMO they will never believe that. The closest they'll come is there was an accident and Casey panicked.

I'd always thought that it was a rage killing last minute killing. To much evidence says it wasn't.

likely Neffy- but boy that state of panic didn't last too long did it? It seems she wasn't in a panicky mode for the 30 days after- nor after LE got brought into the picture.

That's some fortitude.

imo

[WillowInFlight]

I think it is toooo funny when she puts both fists to her eyes and goes eh-eh. Fake crying. I laugh every time she does that. JMO

LOL, Sometimes I find my self watching just to see what necklace she'll be wearing, I love her jewelery.

[i_pickle]

She tells it like it is and that is hard for people who are jealous of her to understand. People complain, yet still watch her. NG should thank them for keeping her ratings up. :lol:Jealous of her? :blink: Strange assumption, imo.

I watch her because she dedicates her show to a case that interests me. Aside from that I wouldn't bother because she's unnecessarily rude and abrasive.

[really3997]

Does anyone believe those Hacked emails will come and play soon.

[tisamystery]

What do you hear when someone is sleeping?.....snoring? pulease

Beuller? Beuller?

:wink:

[Neffy]

I think their current silence is indicative they DO believe that.

We'll see, though.

It's ok Casey we love you and stand behind you. Accidents happen.

barf

[WillowInFlight]

Does anyone believe those Hacked emails will come and play soon.

Nope, and neither will the famous picture of the nanny with Casey and Caylee taken at the park.

[Neffy]

Does anyone believe those Hacked emails will come and play soon.

NO. Fairytale.

[SavannahStar]

Jealous of her? :blink: Strange assumption, imo.

I watch her because she dedicates her show to a case that interests me. Aside from that I wouldn't bother because she's unnecessarily rude and abrasive.

Thanks for addressing that "jealousy" issue. I don't as a rule respond at all to that poster, but hey "jealous" of Nancy Grace. Really. :thumbdown:

[tisamystery]

Jealous of her? :blink: Strange assumption, imo.

I watch her because she dedicates her show to a case that interests me. Aside from that I wouldn't bother because she's unnecessarily rude and abrasive.

Likewise.

I cringe when she's rude (which is often). I watch to hear what her guests say, not her, but I have to suffer through her to get to the other people.

It also irritates me when she mistates facts, again, frequently, because she either doesn't listen or jumps to conclusions. A bit too self-righteous for me.

[september]

UHG! That's revolting and why the "angry villagers" chant outside of their house.

:no: Now now Neffy, put away that tar and those feathers![/QUOTE]

and the PITCH FORKS !

[really3997]

Nope, and neither will the famous picture of the nanny with Casey and Caylee taken at the park.

Well the picture was from the A's camp so I believe that will never be seen but Kathy Blelich was sent these emails and sent it the FBI not sure if it was close to the tape being made but those do exist

[Neffy]

I think it is toooo funny when she puts both fists to her eyes and goes eh-eh. Fake crying. I laugh every time she does that. JMO

OMG that's HYSTERICAL! ROFLMAO!

[tisamystery]

You know that clip of Caylee reading the book at the table? Who is that woman working behind her? A housekeeper? Has anybody questioned her to see if she knows anything?

[destiny1]

Does anyone believe those Hacked emails will come and play soon.

Im sure that one of INMATE # 08049710s personalities hacked those emails. IN MY OPINION, of course.:D

[spiritwolf46]

You know that clip of Caylee reading the book at the table? Who is that woman working behind her? A housekeeper? Has anybody questioned her to see if she knows anything?


That was taken at the nursing home. She is either an aide or a nurse.

[WillowInFlight]

You know that clip of Caylee reading the book at the table? Who is that woman working behind her? A housekeeper? Has anybody questioned her to see if she knows anything?

I wouldn't think she would say anymore than to confirm the date that they were there.

[MGM111]

IMO they will never believe that. The closest they'll come is there was an accident and Casey panicked.

I'd always thought that it was a rage killing last minute killing. To much evidence says it wasn't.

Hello Neffy,

Should they find #080's fingerprints on either the tape - bag or something else at the crime scene - the A's will accept IMO.

I also think the murder ocurred during a moment of absolute rage..
#080.. could have stopped her actions if she had taped Caylees mouth and nose....(that is if suffication was the manner of death)...but she didnt...this would then make it premeditated correct?
If she quickly snapped her neck then it would not be considered premeditated in a court of law....uggh I just dont know...

[velvetbrown]

Morning all! Any new news? I can't seem to keep up :(...

[koawally]

If INMATE # 08049710talks in her sleep, I would love to hear what it has to say.

Just don't expect any truth...I believe she lies even in her sleep:cursing:

[Lavenia]

As our wonderful poster Mac said: When you create a monster, more then likely the villagers will eventually show up with pitchforks and torches.

Very well said, too.

[tisamystery]

If INMATE # 08049710talks in her sleep, I would love to hear what it has to say.

I wonder if she lies in her sleep, too?

[callmetree]

I think this is the form the volunteers had to complete

http://www.texasequusearch.org/applications/VOLUNTEER-REGISTRATION-AGREEMENT.pdf

you are right desmom. we had to fill out that form and show id. also had to sign it and sign out when our search was over so they wouldn't be out looking for us.:blink:

[i_pickle]

Thanks for addressing that "jealousy" issue. I don't as a rule respond at all to that poster, but hey "jealous" of Nancy Grace. Really. :thumbdown:Good morning Savannah. I agree with you about the tot mom thing, as well. Caylee has a name and imo, NG is diminishing her as an individual everytime she refers to her as "the tot."

ACK!

Enough about NG. She's not worth the effort it takes to talk about her. Lol, sorry for the rant. Just had to get it off my chest. :smile:

[?noanswer]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8226052&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

I can't understand the A's having to get in more digs by mentioning LP. I'm surprised that the atty. repeated it to the media. If I had been him, I would have let it go. JMO

[SavannahStar]

Good morning Savannah. I agree with you about the tot mom thing, as well. Caylee has a name and imo, NG is diminishing her as an individual everytime she refers to her as "the tot."

ACK!

Enough about NG. She's not worth the effort it takes to talk about her. Lol, sorry for the rant. Just had to get it off my chest. :smile:


Well, thanks, pickle. I think we're all adults on here and we also can use proper names. Casey is Casey, we don't have to refer to her as an inmate number. And, she was Caylee's mom, whether we "like" that or not. I'm convinced she murdered Caylee, but that doesn't change the fact she was her mother. Geez. Casey is Casey, Caylee is Caylee. What the heck is wrong with using names for all people involved in this case? Is it supposed to be a feather in our cap or something if we don't use the name "Casey"......I think even the judge and all attorneys involved say "Ms. Anthony." Doesn't diminish her crime, IMO. :shrug:

[destiny1]

I can't understand the A's having to get in more digs by mentioning LP. I'm surprised that the atty. repeated it to the media. If I had been him, I would have let it go. JMO

I can believe it. Lenny Padilla is getting all of the glory. all of the attention

[WillowInFlight]

I can't understand the A's having to get in more digs by mentioning LP. I'm surprised that the atty. repeated it to the media. If I had been him, I would have let it go. JMO

ITA, with everything that is going on in their life, Lenny should be their last thought. I wonder if they are still watching NG every night.

[?noanswer]

Excellent post Pickle. I just think he is a wimp and is afraid of losing Cindy's financial support. I do not believe his life will be easy because Cindy will never forgive his (as she sees it) betrayal.


He's probably afraid CA will not let him share in any future money making deals. JMO

[Lavenia]

ITA, with everything that is going on in their life, Lenny should be their last thought. I wonder if they are still watching NG every night.

IMO, they're going to displace their anger on anyone and everyone they can to keep from having to admit the totality of where it should be placed 100%.

[tisamystery]

I'm wondering if the defense will sell the autopsy photos and claim somebody must have hacked them off of the website.

[Daffodil]

This reminded me of Baez this morning:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq

Just wanted to let you know I love your signature line. Never heard it before but will keep it in mind!!!

[?noanswer]

Didn't Lenny say the only way Lifetime would go forward is if there WASN'T a conviction, or did I hear him wrong?


I thought he said indictment, meaning other people that could be involved. JMO

[destiny1]

I'm wondering if the defense will sell the autopsy photos and claim somebody must have hacked them off of the website.

the way Baez presents as a sly shady grinning character, I souldn't doubt anything that man does.

[Pruddennce]

Quote fixing LOL

I thought that was disgusting the way the villagers acted.

BUT I understood why they did it :)

I dont understand their actions, not at all. If there was a protest to be had, it should have been on the courthouse steps; at the office of the bonds people, go make a statement where the problem originated.

Casey was bailed out, not by her parents. the individuals who should have been the recipient of this outrage were not confronted.

misdirected anger. I do understand they were an easy 'mark' because they allowed her to come home and sit out her bail time there, with comfort. that may outrage some, however, the people who effected this situation are the responsible individuals for giving her freedom.

I am not fond of mob mentality. they serve no purpose. all they did was upset innocent families who reside on that block.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

Well the picture was from the A's camp so I believe that will never be seen but Kathy Blelich was sent these emails and sent it the FBI not sure if it was close to the tape being made but those do exist

The emails existing is not in dispute. It's the fairy tale hacking story.

MANTRA: SOMEONE ELSE DID IT.

[SavannahStar]

I'm wondering if the defense will sell the autopsy photos and claim somebody must have hacked them off of the website.


I doubt it.

[kitty1182]

I'm wondering if the defense will sell the autopsy photos and claim somebody must have hacked them off of the website.

I would not be surprised...mo

[callmetree]

I think I can still watch her (though I don't EVERY single night) and make comments about her rudeness. My opinion of her rudeness does not mean I have to change the channel. There are others on her show I wish to hear from, and sometimes we get some real 'news'. I detested her big mouth last night......but last night's show made me turn my opinion from "possibly" accidental death to "for sure" murder.

There are many others on here who also feel she is rude (judging by comments this morning) but still watch her. I don't see a big deal.

she is reruns on the weekends. but i'm sure you know this also. and i'm thrilled you know think "for sure murder" after watching nancy. have a good one!:biggrin:

[OneUp]

I just read the Greta transcripts with her interview with Zenaida. Well, that was a total waste. Nothing came out of it that we didn't already know. What was the point?IDk if I'd say that...was everyone here aware that LE searched her home ( didn't "tear it apart" tho. Just a cursory search) and questioned her children ( in the home only AFAIK, but they were still questioned)???

Some keep saying she has nothing to be up in arms and suing over, but I'd be none too happy to not only be questioned in an alleged kidnapping myself, but to have my CHILDREN questioned and my home searched too? And then there is the perception of everyone who knew her, especially those that knew she was questioned by the police. How many times on this MB have we seen statements like " Yeah, they SAY he's innocent, but they DID question him! Why would they question him if he had nothing to do with the crime?". Public perception counts....ask Richard Jewel. He was eventually cleared too...but it SURE impacted his life!
Zenaida did not have as much LE presence in her life as he...nor will she likely have anything near the long term impact. But I bet NONE of us would be too happy to be in her shoes!
I would have lawyered up as soon as LE brought me in/contacted me...and I would have answered their questions and cooperated fully. I don't *think* I would sue, but who can be sure? Maybe she has been harassed via phone and email ( she sure seems defensive on her MySpace...like she has been harassed there!)? It's hard to say how this has impacted her life unless you are living it to be honest.
There may be MANY other Zenaida's...but she seems to have been questioned more closely by LE for some reason, so maybe others found her more "suspect" too. I feel LE probably took a closer look at her for the similar cars ( us girls tend to mix up models and go by looks when ID-ing cars,LOL) and the Sawgrass connection.
:shrug:
It's JMO...but I can def, see why it "bothered: her.
I was glad to hear her come out and put it out to the public that she did get more than a passing glance byLE.
Again, JMO.

[tisamystery]

Okay. Suppose it was a spur-of-the-moment thing. Casey fights with Cindy then runs off and kills Caylee. Seems to me that, in that case, the timing might be spontaneous, but she'd been thinking about it for awhile previously. (web searches, chloroform, etc.) So would it still be premeditated or not?

[Neffy]

Im sure that one of INMATE # 08049710s personalities hacked those emails. IN MY OPINION, of course.:D

Cindy screwed up and did it herself. All it takes is then press of a button.

She had to have belich on her email list. She clicked the wrong addy sent it to the wrong person.

[MGM111]

the way Baez presents as a sly shady grinning character, I souldn't doubt anything that man does.

His constant grinning has always bothered me...I do see it as a nervous grin..I dont think he is confident in his abilities (and he shouldnt be) IMO.

[destiny1]

The emails existing is not in dispute. It's the fairy tale hacking story.

MANTRA: SOMEONE ELSE DID IT.

from what I understand from a computer nerd I know, all she had to do to fake a hacking would be to hack her own email. Ie, take a few bogus shots at it from another computer. Eventually find the authentication token for the server it was on, which as a user of said email she would have access to, and then hack it specifically.

Now I don't quite understand that, but I believe my crazy niece.