Saturday January 10/09 - Morning Part 1

[steffaroob4]

Per Geraldo on Fox, RK will appear Monday morning on GMA.
jmo

Did he say sorry to Mr. Kronk?

Will Mr. Kronk be getting a new sailboat to take his buddies out on?

They don't expunge charges on a regular basis, IMO anyone could get arrested on charges, big difference in that and getting convicted.

[magnolia]

Just my opinion but a public memorial to me seems like an opportunity for the community to show Caylee how much people cared for HER-not a show of support for her family-that can be done at their private family service. I could give a rats butt about her "family" at this point. If they had ever ONCE gave the appearance of actually trying to find her and bring her home, my opinion might be different but nope, never saw, heard anything. I think the public memorial should have as much dignity as possible and I can't see how having the anthonys there would contribute at all. Heck, what more can they tell us about their 3 1/2-to 4 1/2 foot tall (approximately) granddaughter? They had all of that attention before she was found and what good did they do with it? Let the public find comfort amongst themselves and let those that do love the family comfort them at a private service-in private. I'll take comfort that them family has to live amongst themselves-no amount of money would be worth that-I'm sure they'll learn that soon enough. and forever and ever.

My main point is that the posters here do NOT care for Caylee more than her grandparents, more than Casey's friends who loved Caylee. This is nothing to do with how I feel about the Anthonys' recent behavior.

Bottom line - they loved her, cared for her, bathed her, read to her; the general posters here had not even met her. There's no comparison.

[kitty1182]

[QUOTE=commonguymd;12639433]

I got my fill of Geraldo during his "vault" thing.....I try NOT to watch him........



This quote is wrong:confused:

[OneUp]

Watch your quotes everyone! they got me too...and kitty has me saying something which I didn't say...no HUGE thing, but that quote was commonguymd ( who would probably like proper credit for his own post! :) ).
Thanks!

[Roux]

Okay, I just saw a brief interview with G on Fox's What's Happening Now program.

I must say it sure appears Rivera is in the tank for Baez. I know they're friends. Geraldo normally uses terms like, oh, scum-sucking bottom feeder to describe people who do the kinds of things Casey is alleged to have done. In this case, however, he appears to almost be working for the defense team.

Imo, of course.

I saw the first segment and it annoyed me no end that he says the prosecution will have a hard time because no COD determined. That is such BS to intimate that it would have been easier to convict before the remains were found. Didn't he watch NG last night FGS! LE sources say not accidental so they must have some pretty good info.

[kitty1182]

Did he say sorry to Mr. Kronk?

Will Mr. kronk be getting a new sailboat to take his buddies out on?




I hope so!!!!!!!

[Roux]

I didn't know that Kronk had previously been arrested for kidnapping. I wonder how credible he will come off to the jury after he sells his story to the networks?

The statement he issued sounded pretty upfront to me. Did you read it?

[Tracian]

My main point is that the posters here do NOT care for Caylee more than her grandparents, more than the Casey's friends who loved Caylee. This is nothing to do with how I feel about the Anthonys' recent behavior.

Bottom line - they loved her, cared for her, bathed her, read to her; the general posters here had not even met her. There's no comparison.


Many of us have never met the child victim of crime, but have morned the loss of that child, especially when that child's own mother or other family member murdered them.

I have nothing nice to say about the Anthony's so I will not say anything at all in regards to their behavior; however, I will say that simply 'taking care' of the basic needs of a child does not always translate into a healthy, safe, loving home.

[canada]

I didn't know that Kronk had previously been arrested for kidnapping. I wonder how credible he will come off to the jury after he sells his story to the networks?

The defense will try and use whatever information they can to discredit witnesses....good witnesses with good information. But if they can divert that attention enough to make their testimony questionable then that could put doubt in the minds of the jury. Just another pathetic tactic.

[Dells]

The way she looked at him in the courtroom was very telling.
We know she is only thinking of herself at all times regardless if they are talking about the remains of her 2 year old or whether she is out partying.

I would love to know just how long Caylee had been being drugged and put in the trunk before her death. I dont think the final episode was the first.

Too bad she looks so darn normal. I hope this won't fool a juror.

She may look normal, but once the jurors hear her interrogation tapes and the phone calls home to her family, they will hopefully be able to see her for what she is. The lies to LE and the way she talked to her family were just awful.

[magnolia]

Many of us have never met the child victim of crime, but have morned the loss of that child, especially when that child's own mother or other family member murdered them.

I have nothing nice to say about the Anthony's so I will not say anything at all in regards to their behavior; however, I will say that simply 'taking care' of the basic needs of a child does not always translate into a healthy, safe, loving home.

I agree with what you are saying, but there is no doubt that Caylee's grandparents loved her very much. That is obvious.

[Tracian]

I didn't know that Kronk had previously been arrested for kidnapping. I wonder how credible he will come off to the jury after he sells his story to the networks?


From what has been offered, it seemed to be more or less a non issue as the charged were dropped, a jury may never even hear that, which could by why Baez wanted to get it out there...so it would become general knowledge.

[Cury-us Coyote]

LE already knew about the video and were investigating. How did LE find out is the question.

Could it have anything to do with Joy arriving at search scene with pictures of the area???

Your timeline sounds about right, IMO. Have you checked the Ohio connection? If not, I'll check.
jmo

[joint-heir]

Didn't Cindy say in one of her interviews that they even allowed Dominic Casey to speak with Casey? Sorry don't have all the links to things.

I feel sure the grandparents loved Caylee. In the few honest moments we've seen of them, you could tell.

[kate482000]

The statement he issued sounded pretty upfront to me. Did you read it?

It sounded very upfront to me. He made a stupid mistake or got into some kind of altercation or dispute with his ex's bf. Big deal.. I'm hoping most sane jurors if they hear this story disregard it as meaningless to the murder. Maybe (we could only hope) the judge might not even allow it in...

[Tracian]

I agree with what you are saying, but there is no doubt that Caylee's grandparents loved her very much. That is obvious.


I am sure that they did...that is why I wonder why Cindy would give the wrong hair brush, and why they want immunity now...I wonder who got paid for pictures and videos of Caylee (as reported) I wonder why Cindy never made the effort to speak to Caylee in that month, only getting text messages from Casey...I wonder why they searched the yard and cleaned out the car before LE had a chance to process the car.

[spiritwolf46]

are they going to invite Tim Miller...........i feel so sorry for him. he's done nothing but help everyone he's ever met and the A's accuse him of stealing.

Cindy also accused him of being nothing but a drunk! THAT one REALLY ticked me off! That may have been in his past, when his daughter was murdered, but how DARE she do this to him. GGRrrrrrrr! MOVE OVER GIRLS! I am coming to the CRANKY CORNER!

[Roux]

Do you mean Kronk's prepared statement to the press? I didn't read it, but watched him read it on the air.

I was referring to the link commonguy posted on the previous page -- I haven't watched Mr. Kronk read anything today.

[WillowInFlight]

Cindy also accused him of being nothing but a drunk! THAT one REALLY ticked me off! That may have been in his past, when his daughter was murdered, but how DARE she do this to him. GGRrrrrrrr! MOVE OVER GIRLS! I am coming to the CRANKY CORNER!

Not only was it Cindy, but Lee as well.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Did he say sorry to Mr. Kronk?

Will Mr. Kronk be getting a new sailboat to take his buddies out on?

They don't expunge charges on a regular basis, IMO anyone could get arrested on charges, big difference in that and getting convicted.

No, no apology. Perhaps GR is waiting for NG to teach him how to apologize and admit to an error. Opposite sides of same coin, IMO. We'll see what happens on G @ Large, later tonight.
jmo

[Dells]

Fox News just reported that the defense released the info on R. Kronk. Geraldo to be on next hr. with more info. JMO

Oh, how lovely that the defense released that. Anything to take the focus off the person that actually did murder Caylee.:cursing: I know everyone deserves a defense, but I have a hard time dealing w/how the defense can just ruin other people's lives all for a client that they have to know is guilty. One of the defense lawyers on GVS said he thinks that Casey's case is one that he would have never been able to take on. I know once the trial starts all the evidence will come out and Casey will be convicted of murder. There is some satisfaction in that. If the defense thinks she will walk, then they are mistaken. The best they can hope for is a hung jury. In that case, Casey will just be retried and then the defense can move on to something else.

[Roux]

The public discussion by TH's of this case, primarily the defense-oriented ones, is reaching a level of absurdity, imo. It's almost as if they think if they say enough times that the prosecution had a stronger case without the body, they can somehow make it come true. It defies logic. It also ignores the fact that regardless of how little the remains end up adding to the prosecution's case, there was such strong evidence without it that a grand jury returned 7 indictments, including murder 1, after hearing just six witnesses over the course of just 1 morning.

I don't often watch Jane VM but her guests hit a new low a couple of days ago. It has been said often by those of us closely following, these TH's & defense attys go on air woefully ignorant of the facts.

[Balesha]

It's not obvious to me...not for one second.

Yeah. The terror in Cindy's voice when she called 911 did it for me. She loved that baby. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that the As were duped by their daughter. You can even see them dig for info in the jail meetings. They were duped IMO. Sure, it's frustrating that they can't see the obvious, but not inconceivable that they let their daughter con them. YES they lied to police, but maybe they fell for another one of Casey's stories (lie or Caylee might be in danger).

[kitty1182]

I was referring to the link commonguy posted on the previous page -- I haven't watched Mr. Kronk read anything today.



Me either..

[spiritwolf46]

Not only was it Cindy, but Lee as well.


OH! That's right! Thank you for the reminder, Willow.

[Roux]

It would be better if Mr. Kronk refrained from cashing in before trial, by selling his story to the networks. He must know how much that helps the defense.

How does it look any worse for him to tell, first-hand to the public, his side of the story? He's been vilified by many and I do not have a problem with him being on GMA, Today, or LK as the Anthonys have done.

[WillowInFlight]

I think it's not possible for any of us to be any more disrespectful to Caylee, alive or dead, than what has already happened to her, and certainly not at the hands of anyone here.

I T A. You hit that on the head.

[Dells]

No I wouldn't either, they claim they don't go to the jail because the don't want to cause a circus, what do they think this will bring. I think anyone that wants to honor this baby can plant a tree either in their yard or local park.

In some ways I don't even think they need the public memorial any longer. I think people have been remembering her in their own way. There is the memorial at the crime scene where the body was found and it isn't a memorial that is limiting who or who not can attend or limiting people on bringing cameras or cell phones. I think the Anthony's should just have their private memorial and leave it at that. At the rate things are moving along, it doesn't appear that the memorial is going to be anytime soon anyway...

[magnolia]

Yeah. The terror in Cindy's voice when she called 911 did it for me. She loved that baby. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that the As were duped by their daughter. You can even see them dig for info in the jail meetings. They were duped IMO. Sure, it's frustrating that they can't see the obvious, but not inconceivable that they let their daughter con them. YES they lied to police, but maybe they fell for another one of Casey's stories (lie or Caylee might be in danger).

Yes they did love Caylee. There's no doubt in my mind. I don't know why that is so hard to believe - even flawed, imperfect people have the capability to love. They seemed desperate to get her back.

[kate482000]

It would be better if Mr. Kronk refrained from cashing in before trial, by selling his story to the networks. He must know how much that helps the defense.

ITA Once the media sinks their teeth into him and gets a chance to twist his words it might open a pandoras box..Better to stay quiet and let his lawyer speak IMO.

[Roux]

Don't forget she also accused him, or TES, of petty thievery of a donation jar.

Do you think there would be any type of conflict of interest if NeJame gets in and represents TES? Makes me wonder what they knew weeks ago when sitting on that couch and NeJame said he would help Tim anytime he needed it. I really changed my mind about Mr. NeJame.

[Lavenia]

βδέλυγμα κυρίῳ χείλη ψευδῆ ὁ δὲ ποιῶν πίστεις δεκτὸς παρ' αὐτῷ

Nikibee, are you okay?:scared:

[bluwaters]

No, no apology. Perhaps GR is waiting for NG to teach him how to apologize and admit to an error. Opposite sides of same coin, IMO. We'll see what happens on G @ Large, later tonight.
jmo

At least Lenny admits it when he is wrong.
At least he looked for Caylee.
RK found Caylee.
He reported it 3 times in August and once in December.
GR needs to beg forgiveness for his terrible mistake. :angry:

[spiritwolf46]

Don't forget she also accused him, or TES, of petty thievery of a donation jar.

Yep! Just makes me so ill! UGH!

[Lavenia]

It makes him look worse when he tells his story and picks up a check on the way out of the studio.

Yes, the Anthony's have done the same, and were vilified because of it. Why should Kronk be treated any differently?

Also, the more times one tells a story, even if you are the most honest person in the world, there are going to be minor discrepancies that can be made to look like the person is the biggest liar and/or fool in the world. The more of your words you have in the public for the opposing party to use against you is just handing them the ammo to do you in.

ETA: IF I was an attorney, I would be very much of the school of "keep your damn mouth shut"!

[hamebone]

At least Lenny admits it when he is wrong.
At least he looked for Caylee.
RK found Caylee.
He reported it 3 times in August and once in December.
GR needs to beg forgiveness for his terrible mistake. :angry:

GR, is such a drama queen. I dont watch him any longer.

He is hard to watch anyway acts as if he is on speed. IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Yep! Just makes me so ill! UGH!

It seems that everyone who made this about Caylee and put Caylee first was bashed at one time or another. Every time there was a search, they came up with a new sighting, and all the while that baby was laying, decomposing in a trash bag in the woods.

[steffaroob4]

Your timeline sounds about right, IMO. Have you checked the Ohio connection? If not, I'll check.
jmo

I don't know, but I believe LE knew about the video long before LP did.

If the a PI was trying to get a person to pass off pictures he took of the site, to prove there was no body there at an earlier date, say like Nov 15th, and LE was able to see into this hoax, would that cause someone to start to worry and desperately try to shop the video around for cash?

Would someone feed a certain talking head key facts about said video, to try to drive up the price of such a video?
Would a certain talking head start to back track on the video being of the exact location, if TH was mad at source to drive the price down?

[Lavenia]

Im so mad I could **** NAILS!!!

thats all

:laugh: (Just don't do hammers.)

[courtsinsession]

The public discussion by TH's of this case, primarily the defense-oriented ones, is reaching a level of absurdity, imo. It's almost as if they think if they say enough times that the prosecution had a stronger case without the body, they can somehow make it come true. It defies logic. It also ignores the fact that regardless of how little the remains end up adding to the prosecution's case, there was such strong evidence without it that a grand jury returned 7 indictments, including murder 1, after hearing just six witnesses over the course of just 1 morning.

actually it's hilarious to see defense TH's say over and over the case for the prosecution is worse WITH THE BODY. That is so patently absurd it leaves one speechless; there are probably hundreds of defendants who have been convicted even though the cause of death could not be determined (think Scott Peterson); The prosecution can weave a great circumstantial case and can add hopefully good forensics which ties Casey to the place where poor Caylee was dumped.

[hamebone]

It seems that everyone who made this about Caylee and put Caylee first was bashed at one time or another. Every time there was a search, they came up with a new sighting, and all the while that baby was laying, decomposing in a trash bag in the woods.

ITA, This is one messed up family.

[kate482000]

Also, the more times one tells a story, even if you are the most honest person in the world, there are going to be minor discrepancies that can be made to look like the person is the biggest liar and/or fool in the world. The more of your words you have in the public for the opposing party to use against you is just handing them the ammo to do you in.

ITA..Some in the media are masters at it and might leave him twisting in the wind.

[rbrnmw]

What a joke he is, IMO. :rolleyes:

It WASN'T RAPE! GERALDO "MIS-SPOKE" AND MEANT TO SAY KIDNAPPING PER FOX NEWS!
Leave it to Geraldo "Baez" Rivera to try to taint the jury pool for BFF Baez

[OneUp]

It makes him look worse when he tells his story and picks up a check on the way out of the studio.

Yes, the Anthony's have done the same, and were vilified because of it. Why should Kronk be treated any differently?First, because Kronk does not have, nor does he claim to have any special attachment to the victim.
Secondly, because he has already been accused of involvement in tampering ( or worse) and needs to publically defend his own actions.
Third, because he isn't being paid for "licensing fee's" for pictures of a missing child...pictures that ought to be posted freely in hopes of finding ther child and bringing her home.
Nor is his money liable to go to the defense of the murderer of a precious child...so I couldn't care less what he "earns" as long as he isn't doing anything gruesome or that jeopardizes this case.
I could try to add more, but I have a feeling it is wasted effort anyway.
If you can't see a difference between a family being greedy & earning a living off of their own tragedy, and someone with no attachment to the family being greedy (IF he has...is there a LINK to any information about Kronk recieving payment for any appearance he has yet made?)....then I dount I can change that
JMO

[Roux]

It makes him look worse when he tells his story and picks up a check on the way out of the studio.

Yes, the Anthony's have done the same, and were vilified because of it. Why should Kronk be treated any differently?

I doubt that he's getting all that much $. The figure will probably come out, but I still think he has the right to make his statements in public. Doesn't it seem more questionable when people stay in the background and don't come forward? IMO it carries more weight when Kronk speaks himself rather than only through his atty.

[dixielover]

You guys or gals are much better people and I am. I frankly do not believe anyone in this case- Mr. Kronk, DC,Hoover, the Anthony's. I had some lawyers friends tell me that there is just not that many coincidences in cases. -tips, filming of the area, anthony's off to ca and then get an attorney before they touch down, timing of the remains being found and so on and so. I just wish these possible witnesses would stay off the tv and wait for the trial. if they want to make money then write a book or give interviews afterwards. imo

[kate482000]

[QUOTE=Aame;12639549]The very reason people choose not to get involved when something like this happens.

Everybody has skeletons in the closet.

Just incredible that the Anthony story has so many elements to it, that the word 'kidnapping' would even be associated with just a common person trying to do the right thing. jmo[/QUOTe

How many pages do you think the book will have? So many plots and twists who would even know where to begin..Anne Rule might do a good job though.

[nc1948]

Absolutely !!!!

in a backward sort of way

[AlohaRainbow]

From what has been offered, it seemed to be more or less a non issue as the charged were dropped, a jury may never even hear that, which could by why Baez wanted to get it out there...so it would become general knowledge.
interesting... according to this link, if your record has been expunged in florida, you have the legal right to deny or fail to acknowledge anything having to do with the arrest or that it even happened. i'd still like to know if kronk volunteered this info proactively, or if it was leaked by the defense (as has been reported)

Seal and Expunge - HOW IT WORKS AND HOW IT HELPS YOU...
Importantly, in today’s internet age, information about anyone is easily accessible. After you seal or expunge your criminal arrest and court record, you are protecting your privacy from prying eyes. After the court grants your sealing or expungement, the records pertaining to your arrest and court case are no longer available for public view or inspection and any reference to you or the sealed or expunged crime is removed from all public databases. Importantly, you also gain the LEGAL right to deny or fail to acknowledge anything having to do with your arrest or that it even happened!
http://www.expungefloridarecord.com/

[steffaroob4]

I don't know, but I believe LE knew about the video long before LP did.

If the a PI was trying to get a person to pass off pictures he took of the site, to prove there was no body there at an earlier date, say like Nov 15th, and LE was able to see into this hoax, would that cause someone to start to worry and desperately try to shop the video around for cash?

Would someone feed a certain talking head key facts about said video, to try to drive up the price of such a video?
Would a certain talking head start to back track on the video being of the exact location, if TH was mad at source to drive the price down?

We have two issues with these PI's and the video.

DC claimed to told Hoover shut the camera off, it was wrong of him to tape what DC was doing. However, it has been stated that DC is telling Hoover where to shoot ceratin things.

Hoover Claims DC called him on Nov. 14th and said they need to get the body. Hoover somehow made his way to TES a week before that date to give them a tip for the same area. Something is missing here.

[OneUp]

I'm pretty sure that the State of Florida would prefer that he not sell his story to the networks.
...then I am even more certain that the State of Florida will let him know that in no uncertain terms....Dontcha think?

[Tracian]

It makes him look worse when he tells his story and picks up a check on the way out of the studio.

Yes, the Anthony's have done the same, and were vilified because of it. Why should Kronk be treated any differently?


Here is a major difference:

Kronk found the remains, and called them in, since then the defense team, (as proven today) are doing everything in their power to turn this random person into the reasonable doubt they are frantic to supply for their client.

The Anthony's have done worse, IMO, if reports are correct that they sold photos of Caylee...why would they do that? At the time they allegedly sold these photos, they claimed to believe that Caylee was still alive, and were searching for her...wouldn't you be begging the media to show the pictures, rather than asking for payment for them?

[nc1948]

And when the judge entered the court room she did not stand up but just glared and frowned at him. Baez should have taken her elbow and moved the chair and helped her rise with the rest of the court.

It is a learned behavior. "Manners" Obviously the house of anthony does not place a high value on it. Cindy speaking out in open court. Cindy bringing her own water. Casey adressing judge "yes" , Casey not standing for judge. Wonder if at trial she will stand for judge when bailiff states "all rise" Bet, she doesn't think it applies to her. She is special in her own mind.

[OneUp]

UGH! My disgust meter is peaking again, so I'm out of here. besides, my family is back inside from play.
Later all!

[Lavenia]

Lenny impressed me again last nite on NG with the look on his face. My impression is that he was truly affected by the confirmation that Caylee's death was not an accident.

He did look like he'd been poleaxed didn't he?

[WillowInFlight]

It is a learned behavior. "Manners" Obviously the house of anthony does not place a high value on it. Cindy speaking out in open court. Cindy bringing her own water. Casey adressing judge "yes" , Casey not standing for judge. Wonder if at trial she will stand for judge when bailiff states "all rise" Bet, she doesn't think it applies to her. She is special in her own mind.

Cindy took the cake IMO when she asked LE if she intimidated them.

[JLP]

She may look normal, but once the jurors hear her interrogation tapes and the phone calls home to her family, they will hopefully be able to see her for what she is. The lies to LE and the way she talked to her family were just awful.

I hope you are right.
I am afraid there will be a sympathetic juror.
We have seen this more than once.

[dixie77]

It makes him look worse when he tells his story and picks up a check on the way out of the studio.

Yes, the Anthony's have done the same, and were vilified because of it. Why should Kronk be treated any differently?
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Makes him look worse? For crying ot loud......this guy found the remains of lil Caylee.....something that no one else did.....especially the A's. They didnt even try. This guy cant even get the $225,000. reward. Every one prayed that Caylee would be found and she was....unfortunately she was found murdered by her so-called mother.
I have nooooooooooooooooooo problem at all with him going on TV. I I think its a crying shame that the MR is being scrutinized to no end.
I think this guy does deserve a reward. JMO

[5boxersmom]

Just got back can't believe this. Wow. How many times did he say it?

No wonder people do not want to get involved.

jmo

[Tracian]

[QUOTE=Tracian;12639591]Here is a major difference:

Kronk found the remains, and called them in, since then the defense team, (as proven today) are doing everything in their power to turn this random person into the reasonable doubt they are frantic to supply for their client.

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What you describe here is exactly what the defense is supposed to do, in its efforts to defend a client. Its too bad that Kronk is giving them a viable defense strategy to use.


Kronk has not been convicted of anything, in fact, I doubt that someone making an accusation against him, that was not ever brought to trial, would be allowed in the trial; only thrown out in the court of public opinion; and that is why Kronk has every right to defend himself in the same forum.

This tactic is going to blow up in Baez's face.

[jammies]

Bumping because this is a good idea!

imo


I just emailed FOX also. I begged them to take the fake punk off the air.

[WillowInFlight]

Why is Casey continuing to be kept out of GP?

[jammies]

Sending letters means you watched their network. In the world of tv ratings, it means Geraldo is doing a good job. Even negative attention is better than no attention. imo



Not if we tell them we WILL NOT WATCH Geraldo, which is EXACTLY what I told them.

[Lavenia]

Why is Casey continuing to be kept out of GP?

For her protection and to help jail operations go as smoothly as possible.

[nc1948]

geraldo is a (0) ...."MISspoke<LIED> that Mr Kronk was arrested for rape and the charges were dropped.....baez baloney if you ask me!!!!....and Fox scrambled to apologize.....That bell has been rung!!!! apology not good enough.....FIRE HIM!


Plus apology was after commercial so many listeners had heard Geraldo, and changed channels and did not here apology from Fox----note-not from Geraldo.

[jammies]

I think they know that you will watch his next show.


You should probably stop thinking then.

[martha]

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Makes him look worse? For crying ot loud......this guy found the remains of lil Caylee.....something that no one else did.....especially the A's. They didnt even try. This guy cant even get the $225,000. reward. Every one prayed that Caylee would be found and she was....unfortunately she was found murdered by her so-called mother.
I have nooooooooooooooooooo problem at all with him going on TV. I I think its a crying shame that the MR is being scrutinized to no end.
I think this guy does deserve a reward. JMO
ITA I wish they had listened to him back in aug. I am sure they would have found more evid.to go on.maybe even the cod. why pick on him?jmho

[MiamiNice1]

I just emailed FOX also. I begged them to take the fake punk off the air.

Strength in numbers! :)

[kitty1182]

Not if we tell them we WILL NOT WATCH Geraldo, which is EXACTLY what I told them.



So did I!!!!!!

[Calla]

He did. Lenny's a blowhard, and he takes a lot of heat (especially here on this board, lol).

But he actually gives people the benefit of the doubt, even the OC. He bailed her out assuming she'd handed Caylee off to someone, and after a shower and a cheeseburger, she'd open up and tell what she did. When the trunk forensics came back, he looked almost as upset as he did last nite, and then he went with all his various (some of them wild) theories about the accident he was sure befell Caylee. Last nite, he had to admit that Casey did whatever she did, on purpose. It really seemed to upset him.

He also displays no ill will towards G&C, despite their utter lack of appreciation for the fact he bailed Casey out of jail. And he has consistently stated, when asked, that he doesn't believe they've done anything wrong.

Imo, Lenny's heart is in the right place. At least in this case. His mouth is all over the joint, but I think his heart's in the right place.

Gotta stand with you on this :thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

Guess, I dont read the tabloids, nor watch the likes of Geraldo..so havent heard that this person, (who discovered the remains of Caylee, after thousands have searched, and simply wished to help locate a missing toddler) had many children and numerouse mothers of those children out there!..The only thing so I have heard is a kidnapping charge ( by an x girlfriend..who dropped the charges)..Boy, the Smut machine is working overtime...

Does anyone out there believe RK placed her there???and thus meaning he had something to do with Caylee's demise..Yikes..I cant believe just how sick some minds are working???Yikes

I do think, that when this trial finally gets underway, the totality of the evidence will come to light..and put to rest the spin machines of fiction!!

LMS

Maybe I'm misunderstanding Lynda, but the poster is saying GERALDO has all the kids with different Moms, not Kronk, the MR.

[jammies]

Strength in numbers! :)


Yeppers!....

[?noanswer]

Sending letters means you watched their network. In the world of tv ratings, it means Geraldo is doing a good job. Even negative attention is better than no attention. imo

I'll say "I don't watch your network, but I heard thru the grapevine etc." J/K JMO

[Pruddennce]

Cindy took the cake IMO when she asked LE if she intimidated them.

:ohmy:

that was an interesting statement made by her, expressing out loud how she interprets her persona. a more appropriate statement would have been, please excuse me for looking over your shoulder.

the selection of words, INTIMIDATE, was inappropriate and had zero to do with the matter at hand....going over a timeline. deflect and divert.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[joint-heir]

Well the whole forum must be emailing Geraldo!!! I'm just sitting in line!

[nc1948]

Many of us have never met the child victim of crime, but have morned the loss of that child, especially when that child's own mother or other family member murdered them.

I have nothing nice to say about the Anthony's so I will not say anything at all in regards to their behavior; however, I will say that simply 'taking care' of the basic needs of a child does not always translate into a healthy, safe, loving home.

very well said.

[msjoni]

If everybody can do this DO THIS!!!!!


OFF WITH HIS HEAD
OUT WITH HIS JOB!!!!!

:thumbsup: Great idea! I just sent my e-mail..I think we should bombard them>>.Geraldo is utterly disgusting....

[jammies]

Well the whole forum must be emailing Geraldo!!! I'm just sitting in line!




lolol! I emailed mine to GR's show. Hope his producers take note.

[Calla]

i'm all for that......but first i must ask. what did he say? i missed it. i've been taking down all the outside christmas lights today with the hubby.

I missed it too but my lights are still up :blushing:

[marshmallow]

I think they know that you will watch his next show.

No, not everyone will. and does anyone really expect anything better from Geraldo?

[nc1948]

I agree with what you are saying, but there is no doubt that Caylee's grandparents loved her very much. That is obvious.

Hi Magnolia, I don't argue with anyone, but can you please explain what you see as showing there is no doubt that she was loved. Sorry, I just don't see it. (as a foot note- posters on here have changed my mind )

[SavannahStar]

I missed it too but my lights are still up :blushing:


I thought I was the only one with Christmas stuff still up. I was very sick last weekend and most of the week and never got around to it. I am taking things down today. No time or inclination to email about Geraldo though. I can't stand the jerk but I got better things to do.

[adair]

Hello

I just got home, and am wondering if anything happened today?

TIA

[?noanswer]

Do you remember the commercial for "Head On". Because it was so annoying, it made people remember the product, and its sales went through the roof, because people hated the commercial so much.

Geraldo is doing the same thing, imo.

There are some commercial and people that I either flip the channel, mute or turn the TV off. The longer the coverage on the Caylee story continues, the more denegraded it becomes. Some of the THs & their guests don't have a clue to lots of the thing they talk about. JMO

[Calla]

I thought I was the only one with Christmas stuff still up. I was very sick last weekend and most of the week and never got around to it. I am taking things down today. No time or inclination to email about Geraldo though. I can't stand the jerk but I got better things to do.

I expect mine to be up at least another week:laugh:

I don't think I will be emailing either. I loved Geraldo yrs ago before he was National...and he is getting on up there. LOL. I forgive him for whatever he said. I hope Mr Kronk can...We will see I suppose.
More drama than I can handle.

I have had on my mind all day though that there may be no trial. I could clearly see a plea a year and a half down the road. Jmo

[nc1948]

Caylee was not Kronk's flesh and blood. There's something exceedingly disturbing about profits made by her family from the sale of anything having to do with the tragic death of this child.

But don't forget they Love her.

[Lavenia]

Whoops..did I make a BAD???If I did I am sorry, however, it is easy to get that drift by the way it was posted!!..

OKAY guys, get out the paddles, my hinney is now exposed!!

LMS:blushing:

You're lucky I'm not a spanker. I DO have a corner with your name on it though! :thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

I expect mine to be up at least another week:laugh:

I don't think I will be emailing either. I loved Geraldo yrs ago before he was National...and he is getting on up there. LOL. I forgive him for whatever he said. I hope Mr Kronk can...We will see I suppose.
More drama than I can handle.

I have had on my mind all day though that there may be no trial. I could clearly see a plea a year and a half down the road. Jmo

I don't see a plea, I think this will go to trial and Casey will be convicted and sentenced to LWOP

[SavannahStar]

I expect mine to be up at least another week:laugh:

I don't think I will be emailing either. I loved Geraldo yrs ago before he was National...and he is getting on up there. LOL. I forgive him for whatever he said. I hope Mr Kronk can...We will see I suppose.
More drama than I can handle.

I have had on my mind all day though that there may be no trial. I could clearly see a plea a year and a half down the road. Jmo

Oh I can see a plea also.

I cannot even imagine going with the nanny defense. :blink: And what else is there? Nothing really.

[Lavenia]

:lol: Lavenia....I thought the room was round today...:lol:

You wouldn't BELIEVE the corners in a round room! :tonguewag:

[kitty1182]

Oh I can see a plea also.

I cannot even imagine going with the nanny defense. :blink: And what else is there? Nothing really.



I can't think of anything else either unless JB says his client is a "Sybil"..:rolleyes:

[bama__angel]

He did. Lenny's a blowhard, and he takes a lot of heat (especially here on this board, lol).

But he actually gives people the benefit of the doubt, even the OC. He bailed her out assuming she'd handed Caylee off to someone, and after a shower and a cheeseburger, she'd open up and tell what she did. When the trunk forensics came back, he looked almost as upset as he did last nite, and then he went with all his various (some of them wild) theories about the accident he was sure befell Caylee. Last nite, he had to admit that Casey did whatever she did, on purpose. It really seemed to upset him.

He also displays no ill will towards G&C, despite their utter lack of appreciation for the fact he bailed Casey out of jail. And he has consistently stated, when asked, that he doesn't believe they've done anything wrong.

Imo, Lenny's heart is in the right place. At least in this case. His mouth is all over the joint, but I think his heart's in the right place.

Edited to add: He does, however, seem to have something against Lee.


You know I've noticed his disdain for Lee also. Sometimes I wonder if Lenny knows something about Lee that we dont know.........

[Daffodil]

I was just thinking that if the Anthony's received immunity that we should contact the Attorney General's office to let them know how unhappy we are about it. But then I thought the time to let them know how we feel should be right now NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME.

ag.mccollum@myfloridalegal.com

[Calla]

Oh I can see a plea also.

I cannot even imagine going with the nanny defense. :blink: And what else is there? Nothing really.

Seriously...I agree

Besides the prosecution usually considers the victims family's needs and desires ,,which happens to be the family of the accused.:blink:

So I can for sure see a plea..even if they only have two options..death or LWOP..she will get LWOP
I don't know how Fl works...If life is life..if 25 yrs is 25 yrs etc..:confused:

[nc1948]

I'll wait with you for an answer to the question you posed upthread, and I hope we won't see the usual laundry list of items involving clothes, toys, and pictures.

We could be waiting a long while. We will either get no answer, or look at all the toys in the yard, or look at her beautiful room (that was staged after her death), or she was clean. This is just not the kind of love my parents gave me, or the love I give my children and grandchild.

[steffaroob4]

Anyone contact the lawyer for Kronk?

[Daffodil]

I just sent my email. I figure I would copy it here to make it easy for anyone to just copy, paste and send it. I made the subject: DONT' GRANT IMMUNITY TO ANTHONYS.

You could cut and paste the following:


I am following the case of Caylee Anthony and feel grateful that you are about the only entity (other than individuals following the case like me) that are fighting for Caylee's rights. I could write forever about how poor little Caylee is lost is this whole crazy case.



I am urging you to not grant the Anthony's immunity of any form. I feel the state has a good case already as crazy as each day unfolds before our eyes. I feel if the Anthony's broke the law, they need to pay the consequences no matter what.



I never heard of any family member asking for full immunity before they will tell law enforcement the "truth".



Thank you for your attention to this matter. Thank you again for making sure justice is served. Thank you for caring for Caylee.

[barskin&co.]

He "MISSPOKE" ie <LIED for the sake of baez and that critter hes defending> and said that Mr Kronk was arrested for rape and charges dropped....IIRC Mr Kronk was arrested on a domestic kidnapping charge and it was EXPUNGED....meaning TOTAL LIE....and geraldo did this..IMO...PURPOSELY...!!!

He is an (0)

Yes, these charges, which Mr. Kronk himself revealed, were apparently bogus.

Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.

"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

Local 6 News has confirmed that the information is included in the criminal background check conducted on Kronk prior to his hiring with Orange County.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html

By the way, having charges expunged means he can legally deny them, unless he is facing conditions which do not apply here:

(a) Applies for employment with law enforcement

(b) Becomes a defendant in a new criminal case

(c) Applies for subsequent sealing or expunction

(d) Applies to become an attorney

(e) Applies for employment with the Department of Children and Families or the Department of Juvenile Justice

(f) Applies for employment with the Department of Education or with any educational institution

(g) Applies to work at a Florida seaport
http://www.pinellasdui.com/sealing-expunging.htm

So the defense cannot use these charges to impeach his testimony, if indeed he is ever called to the stand.

[barskin&co.]

Anyone contact the lawyer for Kronk?

Oh, I will bet he has already heard about this.

[magnolia]

We could be waiting a long while. We will either get no answer, or look at all the toys in the yard, or look at her beautiful room (that was staged after her death), or she was clean. This is just not the kind of love my parents gave me, or the love I give my children and grandchild.


Wow...the Anthonys staged her room. I didn't know this. Was it completely empty or just partially? I missed this information.

And yes, it's obvious that the grandparents loved Caylee, and not just because of her material needs being met.

[Daffodil]

I fully respect your opinion. I was going to do the same but then I thought by then it would be too late. I don't necessarily want to put undue pressure on them. I would just want them to know what the general public is thinking.

[101Spots]

I can't think of anything else either unless JB says his client is a "Sybil"..:rolleyes:

Repeat from this morning, but I immediately thought of Baez:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/19798680/?cat=nq

[AlohaRainbow]

I can't think of anything else either unless JB says his client is a "Sybil"..:rolleyes:
if he says that, then we'll all go, as he predicted, "ah.. now i understand".
:ohmy:

[SavannahStar]

I fully respect your opinion. I was going to do the same but then I thought by then it would be too late. I don't necessarily want to put undue pressure on them. I would just want them to know what the general public is thinking.

Who are you talking to?

[Tracian]

So we harbor Casey and blame her bad choice to murder her child on her parents whose deadliest mistake was loving their grandchild, making Casey jealous.

So basically Cindy shouldn't have loved Caylee as much or she would still be alive?


No, I never said that. I question the entire family and they was they all misled the investigation, the way they all lied and twisted stories, the way that Cindy called Tim a drunk, because he dared search for Caylee's remains against her wishes, the way Cindy cleaned the car before LE was allowed to process the car; the reports that Cindy gave the wrong hairbrush, said she wished she would have thought in advance and given the dogs' toothbrush instead of Caylees...

The fact that Cindy who loved Caylee so much never spoke to her or Casey (save text messages) for over a month

The fact that even after they found the car, the first two 911 calls dealt with the theft of money and the car...not the missing Caylee...

IMO, no one in that family loved anyone else in that family more than they loved themselves, except for the only innocent person in this horrible case, Caylee.

[nc1948]

Wow...the Anthonys staged her room. I didn't know this. Was it completely empty or just partially? I missed this information.

And yes, it's obvious that the grandparents loved Caylee, and not just because of her material needs being met.

Yes staged her room. Look at photos of room during interviews. Each time there is added Caylee photos, untra sound pictures, etc. If the Anthonys loved Caylee, I do not want to be loved like that.

[Lavenia]

I fully respect your opinion. I was going to do the same but then I thought by then it would be too late. I don't necessarily want to put undue pressure on them. I would just want them to know what the general public is thinking.

Well I deleted what I wrote because I read what you wrote right after I posted and liked yours! :thumbsup:

[Daffodil]

Well I deleted what I wrote because I read what you wrote right after I posted and liked yours! :thumbsup:

Thanks. And I knew you knew I was talking to you.

It should all just be about the rights of Caylee. Maybe her family won't fight for her, but we sure can.

[Daffodil]

Now I have to watch the rest of the game. Maybe someone could bring my post over to the new thread. Or I can do that tomorrow.

Have a nice night everyone.

[Lavenia]

Who are you talking to?

I think she was responding to a post I deleted. I had said that I wasn't going to contact the prosecution to complain about them offering immunity because I think they know what they need to do best for their case, but then I read what she sent to the pros and I see why she sent what she did. I thought I deleted before people were able to read my post. Sorry for the confusion.

[lonetraveler]

Good morning Ellegna. Thank you for the candle link & getting us started here today.

Woke up at 5:00 this morning with this on my mind & couldn't go back o sleep. So Hoover gave Equuasearch a tip on Nov. 8 that included information that Casey's car was seen (parked?) in June in this area where the body was found. Then we have Tim Miller saying this tip was provided to the people who needed to know, which I assume includes LE. That seems like a BOMBSHELL tip to me.

So why weren't the dogs brought back to this area in early November? It's not like this is a stretch of woods that is miles & miles long. From the Mapquest link, it looks like it's only about 300 feet of roadway abutting this wooded area. When you clink the link, put it on the aerial view. I just don't get it.

http://www.mapquest.com/maps?city=Orlando&state=FL&address=%5B8800-9099%5D+Suburban+Dr&zipcode=32829&country=US&latitude=28.48815&longitude=-81.26175&geocode=STREET#a/maps/l::[8800-9099]+Suburban+Dr:Orlando:FL:32829:US:28.48815:-81.26175:street::1/m:hyb:14:28.48815:-81.261749:0:::::/io:0:::::f:EN:M:/e


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I took a break today from this thread and missed this info. where did you find the Nov. 8 tip info, thank you.

[SavannahStar]

I think she was responding to a post I deleted. I had said that I wasn't going to contact the prosecution to complain about them offering immunity because I think they know what they need to do best for their case, but then I read what she sent to the pros and I see why she sent what she did. I thought I deleted before people were able to read my post. Sorry for the confusion.

Not a problem.....I figured that out, later. LOL.

Well I don't have a problem with them receiving immunity, if that is true. She should put a disclaimer, "for those who agree with me." I don't go along with anyone saying "we" should do this or that or whatever. Although the vast majority on here agree on most things it seems, that's not the case with everyone, about everything.

:biggrin:

[Daffodil]

Not a problem.....I figured that out, later. LOL.

Well I don't have a problem with them receiving immunity, if that is true. She should put a disclaimer, "for those who agree with me." I don't go along with anyone saying "we" should do this or that or whatever. Although the vast majority on here agree on most things it seems, that's not the case with everyone, about everything.

:biggrin:

I'm sorry Savvannah. I guess I assumed that only the people who felt the same way would be interested in doing the same. That would be pretty crazy of me to think that everyone on this board would do it because I said so.

[~tj~]

You're lucky I'm not a spanker. I DO have a corner with your name on it though! :thumbsup:

Hehe! You guys are cracking me up!

Do we know yet when Kronks interview will be yet. I've had to skip a lot of pages here today. TIA!

[Mairi II]

I couldn't care less if the A's are granted immunity. If they do know something, the truth would be revealed if they've got it. If they do know something but aren't granted immunity, well, then they'll just take their chances at being prosecuted and plead the 5th. The truth is what's important to me, not that G&C are thrown in the slammer.

[Tracian]

Do you know Casey would call Cindy with the promise of bringing Caylee home that day, and Cindy sat around the home everyday waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home? All during those 31 days, this is what she did. Go ahead and try to call the cops in Florida and report your adult daughter took her own child, who she has sole custody, and are mad because she hasn't brought her home because she moved out because Cindy thought Casey was mad about the fight they had.

It is not Cindys fault Casey is a heartless baby killer.


Nonsense. If that was the case then once again why did Cindy lie when she said Casey took Caylee to 'bond' Why didn't Cindy hunt Casey down sooner if she kept being a no show? She had no problem hunting her down once the car was found. Why did Cindy mislead the investigation? Why did Cindy wash clothing in the car? Why did Cindy change her stories?

This whole family has serious problems between the truth and a lie, and this time it cost an innocent child her life.

BTW: Cindy could have called in for a welfare check for her granddaughter, or filed a missing persons report...or just like she did, find a friend to lead her right to Casey.

[?noanswer]

Hehe! You guys are cracking me up!

Do we know yet when Kronks interview will be yet. I've had to skip a lot of pages here today. TIA!

IIRC someone upthread posted that it would be GMA Mon. AM. If this is not correct, someone please correct. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I'm sorry Savvannah. I guess I assumed that only the people who felt the same way would be interested in doing the same. That would be pretty crazy of me to think that everyone on this board would do it because I said so.


No harm no foul.

:smile:

[nc1948]

Do you know Casey would call Cindy with the promise of bringing Caylee home that day, and Cindy sat around the home everyday waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home? All during those 31 days, this is what she did. Go ahead and try to call the cops in Florida and report your adult daughter took her own child, who she has sole custody, and are mad because she hasn't brought her home because she moved out because Cindy thought Casey was mad about the fight they had.

It is not Cindys fault Casey is a heartless baby killer.

Cindy quickly called the police about the stolen car after 30 days. She could have done that instead of sitting and waiting on her lying daughter to tell her another lie. Cindy believed every lie out of Casey mouth and covered for her. Cindy even searched her own back yard. For what- a living Caylee that had been out there playing for the last 30 days. Cindy then repeated and defended Casey lies. Casey always tells the truth when she lies. Casey should be named Mother of the year. No Cindy did not kill Caylee. Casey did that all by her self. But Cindy did all she could to protect Casey, maybe if she had done half that much to protect Caylee she would still be alive.

[lonetraveler]

LOL I KNOW!!! NG was going in for the kill.....:lol:

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Personally I would rather hear her called Casey than totmom. I hate totmom............

[marshmallow]

IIRC someone upthread posted that it would be GMA Mon. AM. If this is not correct, someone please correct. JMO

is that the same show the Anthonys have been on a couple of times?

[Lavenia]

IIRC someone upthread posted that it would be GMA Mon. AM. If this is not correct, someone please correct. JMO

That's the only info I know.

[Lavenia]

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Personally I would rather hear her called Casey than totmom. I hate totmom............

I DO TOO! :cursing:

[nc1948]

The unvarnished truth about anything in this case would be a breath of fresh air ...

How will we know the truth if we ever hear it??

[lonetraveler]

wanted to answer this a bit earlier.

I think that in that posters case, it was about the justness, and the fact that peopel in general...the good people anyway just dont want to believe that a family member could do something so heinous....just my thoughts on that. ...I dont want to believe it...and Im sure nobody else here would want to either....I suppose Its a matter of accepting reality but still loving the crimminal relative.


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Unfortunately, most of the stories we hear about murdered children, the deed is done by family members. Sad but true.

[~tj~]

IIRC someone upthread posted that it would be GMA Mon. AM. If this is not correct, someone please correct. JMO

Okay thank you!!! :)

[Mairi II]

The unvarnished truth about anything in this case would be a breath of fresh air ...

Everyday when I look at news headlines, I hope to see that Casey's confessed. It won't happen.... I know that - but I still hope.

[Calla]

Do you know Casey would call Cindy with the promise of bringing Caylee home that day, and Cindy sat around the home everyday waiting for Casey to bring Caylee home? All during those 31 days, this is what she did. Go ahead and try to call the cops in Florida and report your adult daughter took her own child, who she has sole custody, and are mad because she hasn't brought her home because she moved out because Cindy thought Casey was mad about the fight they had.

It is not Cindys fault Casey is a heartless baby killer.

I have to agree with you. CIndy told her when driving her around threatening to take her to the police that she had given her time..31 days of it...and she needed to produce Caylee or she would have her arrested for whatever she could come up with..theft of a car and money. Casey's response was, take me to jail.

I don't know what else she could have done.
I think when Casey got put in jail, Cindy still thought she would break and stop being so cruel and give up the truth about where that child was..
JMO of course

[Tracian]

I guess life is full of what if's, but the cold hard reality is that Cindy had no legal say so over what Casey, her ADULT daughter did with Caylee, and its not nonsense Cindy sat there and its not nonsense Casey would wait for Cindy to leave and go steal food and what not from the home, where do you think the best place it was for her to hang out and watch and see if her mom leaves, probably right by where her child was rotting.

Ever think maybe Cindy told Casey to get the heck out of the house that night and maybe, just maybe she said take Caylee with you, and she did and killed her?

I would feel a ton of guilt, but that does not make her mother responsible for her child murdering a two year old and duct taping her mouth shut.


I never said Cindy killed Caylee. I said Cindy misled the investigation, and lied to LE, media, attacked TES and did everything in her power to defend Casey's idiotic stories, which including accusing innocent people of kidnapping.

If Cindy and George feel guilt...they could have eased it, with the truth, telling LE that Casey left after a heated disagreement, that they don't know where she is or how she is supporting herself or her child. Cindy tried to get Casey arrested for car theft...she could have reported that car stolen sooner even...that would have been another way of finding Casey and Caylee.

I find it horrible they way they behaved since Caylee went missing...which leads me to suspect just what kind of home that child was being raised in to that point.

[joint-heir]

Well, kept waiting for the new thread to pop up...
But none of us know how much the Anthonys loved Caylee. All we can do is make our observations. I believe they loved her.
I have never seen people who love to argue more than you guys here. At first I made several comments, then learned to skip and scroll because you can tell you love the troublemakers and love the arguing! If you don't you sure make it look like you do..

[Tracian]

It is, however, Cindy's (and George's) fault that the facts of the night of June 15th and morning of June 16th were obscured, muddled, and talked around right from the beginning.

It is Cindy and George's fault that they prioritized keeping secrets over giving investigators a window into what occurred in that family immediately prior to Caylee's disappearance. They had their priorities when speaking to LE, and for whatever reason, their priority was not helping investigators locate Caylee. That is Cindy and George's fault -- no one else's.


Exactly!:thumbsup:

[?noanswer]

is that the same show the Anthonys have been on a couple of times?

I'm not sure. They have been on several. JMO

[lonetraveler]

got a question if anyone has good recall-

the knife that was removed from the car- was it ever stated if the family removed it from the trunk or the backseat/floorboard?

IRRC- Cindy said she washed that (and the pants) but was the knife taken by LE and any more description other than a kitchen knife?

I was wondering if the knife was used to try to cut the duct tape- or to scrape stuff off her shoes, or as a weapon and with it getting washed...there goes any trace evidence.

imo

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I do remember that the knife was returned to the car after Cindy washed it so I can only assume that LE has it since they have the car.

[Lavenia]

Well, kept waiting for the new thread to pop up...
But none of us know how much the Anthonys loved Caylee. All we can do is make our observations. I believe they loved her.
I have never seen people who love to argue more than you guys here. At first I made several comments, then learned to skip and scroll because you can tell you love the troublemakers and love the arguing! If you don't you sure make it look like you do..

It's not arguing, it's DEBATE! (Uh oh, there I go again! :laugh:)

[Mairi II]

Does anyone know if NG is repeated tonight? I don't even know if her show is on Saturdays.

[SavannahStar]

It's not arguing, it's DEBATE! (Uh oh, there I go again! :laugh:)

HEATED debate sometimes! :w00t:

[?noanswer]

Started a new thread if anyone wants to go post. JMO

[?noanswer]

I pmd CW to sticky the evening thread and close this one if she wishes to do so. JMO

[AMS]

Does anyone know if NG is repeated tonight? I don't even know if her show is on Saturdays.

Saturday show is usually a repeat.

[Lavenia]

HEATED debate sometimes! :w00t:

True, true! :cursing::lol:

[spiritwolf46]

Wow...the Anthonys staged her room. I didn't know this. Was it completely empty or just partially? I missed this information.

And yes, it's obvious that the grandparents loved Caylee, and not just because of her material needs being met.

I completely agree that the Anthony's DID, in fact, love Caylee very much. From the pictures of Cindy with Caylee and so on, she looked VERY loved.

I guess that is what make me even sicker because right after her 911 call, Cynthia did a 180 and was ALL about her and her daughter! It was NEVER about Caylee any longer. Lies, spins, obstructing and doing what the he77 ALL of them could to keep LE from finding out what they already knew (the smell in the car told them she was gone). They did everything in their power to keep that baby from being found! WHY?

I have heard over and over again about how they should love their daughter, not matter what. Does that include throwing your granddaughter under the bus to look like the perfect parents? Is it like, Oh well, Caylee is gone, so we will now not worry about that or her, for we have our daughter we have to love unconditionally and do everything that we can to get in LE and FBI's way to keep her from getting into trouble?

I just don't get it at all! These are horrible people. HORRIBLE and to me, they DID throw that baby under the bus for the likes of a murderer and once again, tried to get the OC out of trouble instead of making her accountable.

:rose: For CAYLEE who all of this should have been about anyway.

[Lavenia]

I was going to respond the same way ... we're not arguing, dam-mit, we're debating! :tongueside:

Yeah! What you said! :thumbup:

[velvetbrown]

Great post Spirit, ITA...Hey ya'll!

[Pat]

I just fired one off, using this page.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,77538,00.html

I told them they should be ashamed of themselves and demanded that rivera come on live and apologize to Roy Kronk.

Done...thanks for the link.

I don't watch him...ever, but certainly think this deserves a well-worded email to Fox.

[Pruddennce]

So we harbor Casey and blame her bad choice to murder her child on her parents whose deadliest mistake was loving their grandchild, making Casey jealous.

So basically Cindy shouldn't have loved Caylee as much or she would still be alive?


its not as black and white as you stipulate in your opinion, I respectfully disagree.

Cindy worked full time. she wasnt raising Caylee, she was orchestrating her daughter's life to accept the responsibility, with strings attached. caylee was used as a pawn for each of them to attack one other.....that is not my opinion, these words were expressed by her brother and her father and several friends.

George: casey was jealous of her mother's affection for Caylee - does anyone think that is the sole reason for Casey's disdain for Caylee AND her mother? not I.

Lee: same thing. it was a volatile relationship - Cindy told Casey, per Lee, that Caylee was her best 'mistake' and she was an unfit mother.

so no, its not about 'her love for Caylee'...sure she loved her granddaughter at some point, but once the 'loved one' is used to effect a means in a given situation, its no longer love, IMO, that person becomes a weapon...'love' becomes a hollow word.

Cindy didnt think too far ahead as to how her daughter could 'get back at her'.......although she clearly hid the truth from LE about her daughter's persona.

no, I do not agree that the Anthonys 'caused' Caylee's death. the evidence so far indicates Casey murdered her, it was intentional.

I saw a self-centered, egotistical granddmother whose persona didnt evolve out of this tragedy. she had to be coaxed to talk about Caylee. that is not love, that is forced emotion. IMO

she pulled the 'grief card' out of her pocket during her LE interviews when she was asked to explain certain things she didnt want to explain. divert. but was it for the love of Caylee? no, it was in defense of her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Tracian]

I completely agree that the Anthony's DID, in fact, love Caylee very much. From the pictures of Cindy with Caylee and so on, she looked VERY loved.

I guess that is what make me even sicker because right after her 911 call, Cynthia did a 180 and was ALL about her and her daughter! It was NEVER about Caylee any longer. Lies, spins, obstructing and doing what the he77 ALL of them could to keep LE from finding out what they already knew (the smell in the car told them she was gone). They did everything in their power to keep that baby from being found! WHY?

I have heard over and over again about how they should love their daughter, not matter what. Does that include throwing your granddaughter under the bus to look like the perfect parents? Is it like, Oh well, Caylee is gone, so we will now not worry about that or her, for we have our daughter we have to love unconditionally and do everything that we can to get in LE and FBI's way to keep her from getting into trouble?

I just don't get it at all! These are horrible people. HORRIBLE and to me, they DID throw that baby under the bus for the likes of a murderer and once again, tried to get the OC out of trouble instead of making her accountable.

:rose: For CAYLEE who all of this should have been about anyway.

Great post!

[kitty1182]

I don't care who is granted or not granted immunity, community, etc..
I want this child laid to rest ASAP..
I will leave the rest up to God.

ETA.Casey might not speak now, but one day when she stands before her Maker, she will speak...JB won't be able to get her out of that one..

[Mairi II]

Saturday show is usually a repeat.


Thank you kindly, AMS.:smile:

[jusdafacts]

Geraldo has just announced that he has obtained a copy of Hoover's videotape .... will be airing tonight on Geraldo at Large 10pm EST

[Tracian]

its not as black and white as you stipulate in your opinion, I respectfully disagree.

Cindy worked full time. she wasnt raising Caylee, she was orchestrating her daughter's life to accept the responsibility, with strings attached. caylee was used as a pawn for each of them to attack one other.....that is not my opinion, these words were expressed by her brother and her father and several friends.

George: casey was jealous of her mother's affection for Caylee - does anyone think that is the sole reason for Casey's disdain for Caylee AND her mother? not I.

Lee: same thing. it was a volatile relationship - Cindy told Casey, per Lee, that Caylee was her best 'mistake' and she was an unfit mother.

so no, its not about 'her love for Caylee'...sure she loved her granddaughter at some point, but once the 'loved one' is used to effect a means in a given situation, its no longer love, IMO, that person becomes a weapon...'love' becomes a hollow word.

Cindy didnt think too far ahead as to how her daughter could 'get back at her'.......although she clearly hid the truth from LE about her daughter's persona.

no, I do not agree that the Anthonys 'caused' Caylee's death. the evidence so far indicates Casey murdered her, it was intentional.

I saw a self-centered, egotistical granddmother whose persona didnt evolve out of this tragedy. she had to be coaxed to talk about Caylee. that is not love, that is forced emotion. IMO

she pulled the 'grief card' out of her pocket during her LE interviews when she was asked to explain certain things she didnt want to explain. divert. but was it for the love of Caylee? no, it was in defense of her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Excellent points. I also believe that there are a lot of secrets that Cindy and George are protecting, and that is also part of their motivation.

[spiritwolf46]

great post spirit, ita...hey ya'll!

tyvm!.......

[lonetraveler]

Yes, these charges, which Mr. Kronk himself revealed, were apparently bogus.

Kronk said in a statement issued to Local 6 News that the kidnapping involved a domestic situation with a man who was living with his former girlfriend.

"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

Local 6 News has confirmed that the information is included in the criminal background check conducted on Kronk prior to his hiring with Orange County.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html

By the way, having charges expunged means he can legally deny them, unless he is facing conditions which do not apply here:

(a) Applies for employment with law enforcement

(b) Becomes a defendant in a new criminal case

(c) Applies for subsequent sealing or expunction

(d) Applies to become an attorney

(e) Applies for employment with the Department of Children and Families or the Department of Juvenile Justice

(f) Applies for employment with the Department of Education or with any educational institution

(g) Applies to work at a Florida seaport
http://www.pinellasdui.com/sealing-expunging.htm

So the defense cannot use these charges to impeach his testimony, if indeed he is ever called to the stand.

---
And people wonder why good samaritans do not come forward.

[koawally]

its not as black and white as you stipulate in your opinion, I respectfully disagree.

Cindy worked full time. she wasnt raising Caylee, she was orchestrating her daughter's life to accept the responsibility, with strings attached. caylee was used as a pawn for each of them to attack one other.....that is not my opinion, these words were expressed by her brother and her father and several friends.

George: casey was jealous of her mother's affection for Caylee - does anyone think that is the sole reason for Casey's disdain for Caylee AND her mother? not I.

Lee: same thing. it was a volatile relationship - Cindy told Casey, per Lee, that Caylee was her best 'mistake' and she was an unfit mother.

so no, its not about 'her love for Caylee'...sure she loved her granddaughter at some point, but once the 'loved one' is used to effect a means in a given situation, its no longer love, IMO, that person becomes a weapon...'love' becomes a hollow word.

Cindy didnt think too far ahead as to how her daughter could 'get back at her'.......although she clearly hid the truth from LE about her daughter's persona.

no, I do not agree that the Anthonys 'caused' Caylee's death. the evidence so far indicates Casey murdered her, it was intentional.

I saw a self-centered, egotistical granddmother whose persona didnt evolve out of this tragedy. she had to be coaxed to talk about Caylee. that is not love, that is forced emotion. IMO

she pulled the 'grief card' out of her pocket during her LE interviews when she was asked to explain certain things she didnt want to explain. divert. but was it for the love of Caylee? no, it was in defense of her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

wonderful post Pru...it's REALITY as I see it:blink:

[kitty1182]

---
And people wonder why good samaritans do not come forward.



I can see why too...So sad.......

[koawally]

I don't care who is granted or not granted immunity, community, etc..
I want this child laid to rest ASAP..
I will leave the rest up to God.

ETA.Casey might not speak now, but one day when she stands before her Maker, she will speak...JB won't be able to get her out of that one..

Your right kitty, there should be NO CONDITION to lay Caylee to rest:cursing:

[spiritwolf46]

Excellent points. I also believe that there are a lot of secrets that Cindy and George are protecting, and that is also part of their motivation.


ITA. There is a lot more to this family, IMO, than meets the eye and prolly more than we will ever know. I think that there has been dysfunction for a long long time.

[koawally]

I was just thinking that if the Anthony's received immunity that we should contact the Attorney General's office to let them know how unhappy we are about it. But then I thought the time to let them know how we feel should be right now NOW IS THE RIGHT TIME.

ag.mccollum@myfloridalegal.com

Sending an email THANKS for the link...I agree...the time is NOW:thumbup:

[nc1948]

It's not arguing, it's DEBATE! (Uh oh, there I go again! :laugh:)

Lavenia, I agree to disagree with your statement

[lonetraveler]

Yeah. The terror in Cindy's voice when she called 911 did it for me. She loved that baby. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that the As were duped by their daughter. You can even see them dig for info in the jail meetings. They were duped IMO. Sure, it's frustrating that they can't see the obvious, but not inconceivable that they let their daughter con them. YES they lied to police, but maybe they fell for another one of Casey's stories (lie or Caylee might be in danger).

--It is the terror in Cindy's 911 tape and then the complete turnaround later that same day that is frustrating to me. She did a 360 after she brought Casey home and found out that Casey did not have Caylee and professed to not knowing where Caylee was for the last 31 days. Instead of being horrified that Caylee was missing and the car smelled like a cadaver and that she had been busy, busy, busy cleaning the "damn" car that smelled like death, washing Casey's clothes, washing a knife, and there is really no telling what all Cindy did as soon as she got hold of the car. Cindy went into automatic gear, cleaning up after her daughter, knowing in her heart, that Caylee was most likely the cause of the cadaver stench in the car. Cindy, Lee and then George did much more than lie to LE, they covered up for Casey, at the moment they made the decision that Casey needed their help in covering up a crime, Caylee was no longer the priority. They will have to reconcile this and live with it for the rest of their lives. I would imagine that they are eaten up with guilt at this very minute. That is one very big reason that they can not see Casey face to face. They can't deal with what she has done and what they have done. IMO.

[Pruddennce]

So much of it, imo, and so habitually covered over with lies and spin, that even when a child's life hung in the balance, the automatic reflex was to lie and spin.

I hope this is a cautionary tale for others. I really mean that.

you hit it dead center. this is precisely why I have an issue with a debate as to 'love of Caylee'...

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Pruddennce]

--It is the terror in Cindy's 911 tape and then the complete turnaround later that same day that is frustrating to me. She did a 360 after she brought Casey home and found out that Casey did not have Caylee and professed to not knowing where Caylee was for the last 31 days. .

respectfully snipped...

excellent points, excellent opinion.

best regards,
Pru

[Briar]

I completely agree that the Anthony's DID, in fact, love Caylee very much. From the pictures of Cindy with Caylee and so on, she looked VERY loved.

I guess that is what make me even sicker because right after her 911 call, Cynthia did a 180 and was ALL about her and her daughter! It was NEVER about Caylee any longer. Lies, spins, obstructing and doing what the he77 ALL of them could to keep LE from finding out what they already knew (the smell in the car told them she was gone). They did everything in their power to keep that baby from being found! WHY?

I have heard over and over again about how they should love their daughter, not matter what. Does that include throwing your granddaughter under the bus to look like the perfect parents? Is it like, Oh well, Caylee is gone, so we will now not worry about that or her, for we have our daughter we have to love unconditionally and do everything that we can to get in LE and FBI's way to keep her from getting into trouble?

I just don't get it at all! These are horrible people. HORRIBLE and to me, they DID throw that baby under the bus for the likes of a murderer and once again, tried to get the OC out of trouble instead of making her accountable.

:rose: For CAYLEE who all of this should have been about anyway.

AMEN!!!! Exactly what I think too. IF by some bizarre stretch of the imagination I was dense enough to buy into the tapestry of lies, and they had actual proof that the grandchild I loved and raised as my own, was dead, immunity would be the last on my list of priorities. 1st would be justice. 2nd might very well be suicide for not protecting that child better (even if I knew it was out of my hands for 31 days).

[MrsHudson]

Yeah. The terror in Cindy's voice when she called 911 did it for me. She loved that baby. I don't know why people find it so hard to believe that the As were duped by their daughter. You can even see them dig for info in the jail meetings. They were duped IMO. Sure, it's frustrating that they can't see the obvious, but not inconceivable that they let their daughter con them. YES they lied to police, but maybe they fell for another one of Casey's stories (lie or Caylee might be in danger).


Casey was a known liar. A known thief and more importantly LE made the family aware that her kidnapping story was one lie after another. Her behavior after Caylee was kidnapped was totally off the wall. There was nothing to suggest that she did anything that an innocent person would do. No one on the planet but the A's bought the kidnapping story. I cannot excuse them from believing Casey unless they have some kind of brain damage and they don't.

[i_pickle]

How will we know the truth if we ever hear it??That's a very good question.

JMO

[ellegna]

its not as black and white as you stipulate in your opinion, I respectfully disagree.

Cindy worked full time. she wasnt raising Caylee, she was orchestrating her daughter's life to accept the responsibility, with strings attached. caylee was used as a pawn for each of them to attack one other.....that is not my opinion, these words were expressed by her brother and her father and several friends.

George: casey was jealous of her mother's affection for Caylee - does anyone think that is the sole reason for Casey's disdain for Caylee AND her mother? not I.

Lee: same thing. it was a volatile relationship - Cindy told Casey, per Lee, that Caylee was her best 'mistake' and she was an unfit mother.

so no, its not about 'her love for Caylee'...sure she loved her granddaughter at some point, but once the 'loved one' is used to effect a means in a given situation, its no longer love, IMO, that person becomes a weapon...'love' becomes a hollow word.

Cindy didnt think too far ahead as to how her daughter could 'get back at her'.......although she clearly hid the truth from LE about her daughter's persona.

no, I do not agree that the Anthonys 'caused' Caylee's death. the evidence so far indicates Casey murdered her, it was intentional.

I saw a self-centered, egotistical granddmother whose persona didnt evolve out of this tragedy. she had to be coaxed to talk about Caylee. that is not love, that is forced emotion. IMO

she pulled the 'grief card' out of her pocket during her LE interviews when she was asked to explain certain things she didnt want to explain. divert. but was it for the love of Caylee? no, it was in defense of her daughter.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Excellent post. I wish I had your talent to express my thoughts into words as eloquently as yourself