Saturday January 10/09 - Morning Part 1

[SavannahStar]

she is reruns on the weekends. but i'm sure you know this also. and i'm thrilled you know think "for sure murder" after watching nancy. have a good one!:biggrin:

You have a good one too, tree.

Like I posted last night: I needed "confirmation". I don't apologize for that. I got it, good enough for me.

[101Spots]

do we have another STEELER fan here? o/t i know but i have steeler stuff sitting all over my living room.:thumbsup:

Check PMs, please. :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

Okay. Suppose it was a spur-of-the-moment thing. Casey fights with Cindy then runs off and kills Caylee. Seems to me that, in that case, the timing might be spontaneous, but she'd been thinking about it for awhile previously. (web searches, chloroform, etc.) So would it still be premeditated or not?

There is no "time" necessary in premeditation. It can happen momentarily.

(I've watched A LOT of crime shows over the years.)

[tisamystery]

IDk if I'd say that...was everyone here aware that LE searched her home ( didn't "tear it apart" tho. Just a cursory search) and questioned her children ( in the home only AFAIK, but they were still questioned)???

Some keep saying she has nothing to be up in arms and suing over, but I'd be none too happy to not only be questioned in an alleged kidnapping myself, but to have my CHILDREN questioned and my home searched too? And then there is the perception of everyone who knew her, especially those that knew she was questioned by the police. How many times on this MB have we seen statements like " Yeah, they SAY he's innocent, but they DID question him! Why would they question him if he had nothing to do with the crime?". Public perception counts....ask Richard Jewel. He was eventually cleared too...but it SURE impacted his life!
Zenaida did not have as much LE presence in her life as he...nor will she likely have anything near the long term impact. But I bet NONE of us would be too happy to be in her shoes!
I would have lawyered up as soon as LE brought me in/contacted me...and I would have answered their questions and cooperated fully. I don't *think* I would sue, but who can be sure? Maybe she has been harassed via phone and email ( she sure seems defensive on her MySpace...like she has been harassed there!)? It's hard to say how this has impacted her life unless you are living it to be honest.
There may be MANY other Zenaida's...but she seems to have been questioned more closely by LE for some reason, so maybe others found her more "suspect" too. I feel LE probably took a closer look at her for the similar cars ( us girls tend to mix up models and go by looks when ID-ing cars,LOL) and the Sawgrass connection.
:shrug:
It's JMO...but I can def, see why it "bothered: her.
I was glad to hear her come out and put it out to the public that she did get more than a passing glance byLE.
Again, JMO.

Didn't she lose her job or apartment or something?

[smileyjoe]

You know that clip of Caylee reading the book at the table? Who is that woman working behind her? A housekeeper? Has anybody questioned her to see if she knows anything?

That is a medication cart. The woman is probably a CMA (certified medication aide).

The CMA is giving the residents of the facility their medications.

Joe.

[BANJO GRANNY]

I'm wondering if the defense will sell the autopsy photos and claim somebody must have hacked them off of the website.

IMO YES THEY WOULD:cursing:



:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED FOR YOU SOON

[101Spots]

I can believe it. Lenny Padilla is getting all of the glory. all of the attention
'
... all the criticism, all the flak, all the finger pointing. I don't think being Lenny is such a great thing these days.

But when a "public memorial" isn't public - that's just petty. I would think his $50K bought him a seat - even if it's in the back.

[Postergeist]

ITA, with everything that is going on in their life, Lenny should be their last thought. I wonder if they are still watching NG every night.

Agree Willow- you'd think he wouldn't be foremost in their mind. However, it was due to him that she was out on bail and they got to have some mom/daughter time baking brownies and being under the same roof. Wait- she did spent what 8+ hrs a day/night at her atty's office during that time as well.

IRRC, Lenny never bad mouthed the parents- only later did he voice opinions about their daughter.

OTOH- Tim M. did say some choice things about not just Casey, but how he was treated by the family. Wonder if he will get the non-invite as well?

[velvetbrown]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby

[desmom]

I am reading old news reports. I missed this....

"On the Record ," August 7, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html

Mark Fuhrman reported from outside Sawgrass Apartments. According To Mark, his sources told him Sawgrass Apts phone number was not on Casey's cell phone records, BUT ZG's phone number was on her phone.


Has this been confirmed?

[destiny1]

'
... all the criticism, all the flak, all the finger pointing. I don't think being Lenny is such a great thing these days.

But when a "public memorial" isn't public - that's just petty. I would think his $50K bought him a seat - even if it's in the back.

Lennys presentation of himself is aggravating at the very least, but he is spot on in some of his "predictions'.

However, I still think that the anthonys resent the level of attention that he is getting.

[Lavenia]

Okay. Suppose it was a spur-of-the-moment thing. Casey fights with Cindy then runs off and kills Caylee. Seems to me that, in that case, the timing might be spontaneous, but she'd been thinking about it for awhile previously. (web searches, chloroform, etc.) So would it still be premeditated or not?

Premeditation can be formed in an instant legally.

[kitty1182]

'
... all the criticism, all the flak, all the finger pointing. I don't think being Lenny is such a great thing these days.

But when a "public memorial" isn't public - that's just petty. I would think his $50K bought him a seat - even if it's in the back.



I so agree!!!!!!

[Neffy]

Hello Neffy,

Should they find #080's fingerprints on either the tape - bag or something else at the crime scene - the A's will accept IMO.

I also think the murder ocurred during a moment of absolute rage..
#080.. could have stopped her actions if she had taped Caylees mouth and nose....(that is if suffication was the manner of death)...but she didnt...this would then make it premeditated correct?
If she quickly snapped her neck then it would not be considered premeditated in a court of law....uggh I just dont know...

Actually what they believe and what they tell the public they believe are two different things. They know. They've known for awhile. But they have this odd belief that if we don't say it that means we don't believe it and you shouldn't either.

[smileyjoe]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby

OMG, not trying to be snarky, but why aren't you WITH your 10 yr. old?

:scared:

Joe.

[kitty1182]

Lennys presentation of himself is aggravating at the very least, but he is spot on in some of his "predictions'.

However, I still think that the anthonys resent the level of attention that he is getting.

Yes, but they should not resent anyone wanting to pay their respects to Caylee...:sad:

[destiny1]

Yes, but they should not resent anyone wanting to pay their respects to Caylee...:sad:

In my opinion, doing so is just more bad press for the anthonys.

[kitty1182]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby



(I would go inside and be with her till it's over)

[dixielover]

Lennys presentation of himself is aggravating at the very least, but he is spot on in some of his "predictions'.

However, I still think that the anthonys resent the level of attention that he is getting.

The other night on NG, Lenny was in one of his "I got to hurry and say this" moments- that the MR had taken a lie detector test and was over the barrel with the FBI. I know he still believes that there is more to this daisey chain. I really don't believe everything he says but has actually been mostly right about this PI stuff. Did I hear him right? imo

[OneUp]

I don't think that theory holds any water in OR out of court (placing the duct tape on after death).

I'm still "out" on whether or not she planned this for a long time....I tend to think not.....but that really doesn't matter, as we all know, premeditation can happen in the blink of an eye.

That duct tape did it for me. I needed confirmation, and what I got is good enough.ITA that the tape wasn't very likely to have been placed upon Caylee after death. What would be the popint? casey obviously didn't go to much trouble either in getting rid of Caylee OR in making this loook like a kidnapping. Had she wanted to expend effort on making it look like a kidnapping, she would have dropped her farther from Casey's home for one example.
Anyway, ANY reason for placing tape on a little one isn't going to go over well with a jury...I don't think she'll win points for claiming she tried to stage a kidnapping ( not that Casey will be taking the stand to claim anything IMO!).
I'm of the opinion that Casey had as little contact as possible with Caylee both before and after her death. I can't see her wasting time handling a body other than just to heave it from her trunk and be done with it. Frankly, I'm surprised that she even wrapped her. I guess she had to just to avoid discovery until she decided what to do next.
JMO.

[Neffy]

Agree Willow- you'd think he wouldn't be foremost in their mind. However, it was due to him that she was out on bail and they got to have some mom/daughter time baking cookies and being under the same roof. Wait- she did spent what 8+ hrs a day/night at her atty's office during that time as well.

IRRC, Lenny never bad mouthed the parents- only later did he voice opinions about their daughter.

OTOH- Tim M. did say some choice things about not just Casey, but how he was treated by the family. Wonder if he will get the non-invite as well?

I would take what Tim says to the bank and totally believe him,

[WillowInFlight]

Actually what they believe and what they tell the public they believe are two different things. They know. They've known for awhile. But they have this odd belief that if we don't say it that means we don't believe it and you shouldn't either.

I totally agree with this, just like for Casey, Caylee was out of sight, out of mind.

[SavannahStar]

In my opinion, doing so is just more bad press for the anthonys.

I think (and I agree) that is the least of their concerns right now.

[Regina.Lampert]

Which interview?

The one where Cindy claimed that "if something happened to Caylee, Casey would have screamed bloody murder" is in the Dateline interview.

The pool and ladder were mentioned in both the Greta interview and the LE interviews of Cindy (IIRC). Definitely in the Greta interview.

Ah yes Cry, how could I ever forget the "casey would scream bloody murder" remark from cynthia? :ohmy:

[Pruddennce]

Which interview?

The one where Cindy claimed that "if something happened to Caylee, Casey would have screamed bloody murder" is in the Dateline interview.

The pool and ladder were mentioned in both the Greta interview and the LE interviews of Cindy (IIRC). Definitely in the Greta interview.

and GA....he gave 'an account' of cindy and him 'thinking about scenarios and then 'recalling' an instance where Cindy called him up and asked him about the pool ladder and the gate to the yard.

page 28
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20aug4.pdf

best regards,
Pru

[dohinmom]

hi all,

the second i heard about the tip to tes on nov 8th and jim hoover's name mentioned with it, i knew that was why baez is looking for tes's volunteer unfo. To confirm or deny whether jim hoover was a volunteer for them. IMO

anyone think that too?

tia

dolphinmom

[destiny1]

The other night on NG, Lenny was in one of his "I got to hurry and say this" moments- that the MR had taken a lie detector test and was over the barrel with the FBI. I know he still believes that there is more to this daisey chain. I really don't believe everything he says but has actually been mostly right about this PI stuff. Did I hear him right? imo


rumor has it, and I will believe it when I see it from a reputable news outlet that it came directly from LE, that Mr Kronk had an expunged domestic kidnapping charge and that he is a former PI himself from Tennessee.

[Postergeist]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby


o/t- imo you need to be present with your minor child for this the entire time- esp. since it has to do with photography. I'd get inside pronto.

[i_pickle]

Well, thanks, pickle. I think we're all adults on here and we also can use proper names. Casey is Casey, we don't have to refer to her as an inmate number. And, she was Caylee's mom, whether we "like" that or not. I'm convinced she murdered Caylee, but that doesn't change the fact she was her mother. Geez. Casey is Casey, Caylee is Caylee. What the heck is wrong with using names for all people involved in this case? Is it supposed to be a feather in our cap or something if we don't use the name "Casey"......I think even the judge and all attorneys involved say "Ms. Anthony." Doesn't diminish her crime, IMO. :shrug:Typical NG, much ado about nothing, making a big deal out of a reporter calling Casey by her first name.

I don't get it. There's so many more important things to address regarding this case, imo.

[SavannahStar]

ITA that the tape wasn't very likely to have been placed upon Caylee after death. What would be the popint? casey obviously didn't go to much trouble either in getting rid of Caylee OR in making this loook like a kidnapping. Had she wanted to expend effort on making it look like a kidnapping, she would have dropped her farther from Casey's home for one example.
Anyway, ANY reason for placing tape on a little one isn't going to go over well with a jury...I don't think she'll win points for claiming she tried to stage a kidnapping ( not that Casey will be taking the stand to claim anything IMO!).
I'm of the opinion that Casey had as little contact as possible with Caylee both before and after her death. I can't see her wasting time handling a body other than just to heave it from her trunk and be done with it. Frankly, I'm surprised that she even wrapped her. I guess she had to just to avoid discovery until she decided what to do next.
JMO.

Are you surprised to see my opinion, OneUP? :smile:

I was waiting to see something that totally convinced me that this was murder as opposed to an accidental death and cover up. I am totally convinced (and saddened) now that it was murder.

I'm still sympathetic and supportive of George and Cindy though. :smile:

[Lavenia]

Ah yes Cry, how could I ever forget the "casey would scream bloody murder" remark from cynthia? :ohmy:

Has Cindy heard that scream yet? :rolleyes:

[Postergeist]

Ah yes Cry, how could I ever forget the "casey would scream bloody murder" remark from cynthia? :ohmy:

yeah- that comment didn't set too well with me- (I saw it when dateline aired on msnbc and went wth?!)

[Dells]

Good Morning All!

I say give G & C & Lee immunity and then maybe we will all get the truth. IMO they did not participate in killing Caylee, but maybe they mislead LE later in a desparate belief that Casey was innocent. I think George has know all along but Cindy wears the pants in that family and won't let him talk. He is very forthcoming in his interview with the FBI when he was all alone....and asked them to not tell Cindy he was there.

I tend to agree w/you. If they will tell the truth if given immunity I think it is worth it. I just want Casey to pay for the crimes that she has committed. I think before the Anthony's were just clinging to hope that Caylee was alive. I think once they see all the evidence they will have to know that Casey killed Caylee and I am hoping that they will want justice for their granddaughter. It seems like Casey is purposely trying to hurt them further by not allowing them to visit and by signing over Caylee's remains to her attorney. I think they are getting to the point where they no longer want to protect her.

On a side note, I do not understand why Casey is withdrawing herself from everybody but her attorney. I can't figure out if it is coming from her or from her attorney. I truly think it is a mistake on her part. Right now I think she thinks she is holding all the cards and is delighted in some sort of demented way that she has the power to hurt her parents even further. But once this case is over, and her attorney moves onto another case, Casey is going to find herself very very alone. She will be convicted of killing her daughter and she will have no friends or family that want to visit her. So the power she thinks she has now is just going to hurt her in the long run. I wonder if after a few years in prison she will really and truly regret everything she has done? From the murder of her daughter right on down to destroying her family with all the lies and refusing to tell the truth as to what happened to Caylee. I don't think it is just the immediate family she has destroyed either. I think the great grandparents and the full extended families have been torn apart as well. Maybe once she has had a chance to sit in jail for 10 or 20 years the horror of what she has done will finally dawn on her?

[?noanswer]

hi all,

the second i heard about the tip to tes on nov 8th and jim hoover's name mentioned with it, i knew that was why baez is looking for tes's volunteer unfo. To confirm or deny whether jim hoover was a volunteer for them. IMO

anyone think that too?

tia

dolphinmom

He could be checking on Joy Wray also. But if he has certain people in mind, why would he not just ask for those records. There is no way he can contact/interview all the searchers. Hopefully, the application they filled out had a disclaimer that the info would not be revealed to anyone. Don't know if that would hold up if challenged in a court. JMO

[dixielover]

I see they have rain that will affect the game!

what do you all make of Mr Kronks upcoming press?


It is pouring here- it will affect the game but not the fans. It will be a good game. I don't get crazy over it.

I still think this MR story is just to scripted-I really think it is odd that his lawyer is letting him do interviews for money because he is broke. Maybe that is why he got into in the first place. I don't want him to be involved in something shady but I still get this odd feeling about him. imo

[Lavenia]

rumor has it, and I will believe it when I see it from a reputable news outlet that it came directly from LE, that Mr Kronk had an expunged domestic kidnapping charge and that he is a former PI himself from Tennessee.

Hi Destiny! I think that's even been taken off at "the other board", hasn't it? I think it was last night, or at least I couldn't find it again after we discussed its veracity.

[dohinmom]

He could be checking on Joy Wray also. But if he has certain people in mind, why would he not just ask for those records. There is no way he can contact/interview all the searchers. Hopefully, the application they filled out had a disclaimer that the info would not be revealed to anyone. Don't know if that would hold up if challenged in a court. JMO

good point.

d

[Daffodil]

I see they have rain that will affect the game!

what do you all make of Mr Kronks upcoming press?

The rain is supposed to clear up by the afternoon. I hope so for all those fans going.

When is his press conference?

[Dells]

I haven't heard confirmation who has control of Caylee's remains.
I will however give the A's the benefit of the doubt. If Casey released Caylee's remains to them, I believe they would have held a service for Caylee by now.

I agree w/you. After what I heard in court the other day I strongly feel that Baez has control of the remains and the funeral and he is the one that is delaying having the funeral. I wonder why he let that slip in court because is just makes Casey seem more horrific and unfeeling by not signing over Caylee's remains to the Anthony's. And Baez wonders why the public views his client the way they do...:glare:

[Daffodil]

OMG, not trying to be snarky, but why aren't you WITH your 10 yr. old?

:scared:

Joe.

Thank you for saying that. I was going to tell her she should be inside next to her daughter and not let her out of her sight. Please do that now!!!

[callmetree]

You have a good one too, tree.

Like I posted last night: I needed "confirmation". I don't apologize for that. I got it, good enough for me.

i wasn't here last night but i see no reason for you to apologize for your opinions. we all have them. and it seems until we have alittle truth from the anthony camp that's about all we have. sorry if i sounded snippy anout nancy. wasn't my intention , but after i read it, it did sound that way. the 31 days is what got me from the very beginning. but that too is just my opinion. i just hope someone caves and tells the truth.:smile:

[destiny1]

Hi Destiny! I think that's even been taken off at "the other board", hasn't it? I think it was last night, or at least I couldn't find it again after we discussed its veracity.

I hope that Mr Kronk is clean in all of this, and I wish people would stop throwing people under the bus so to speak. As for the other board, I don't put much faith in it unless I see it from other reliable sources.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree w/you. After what I heard in court the other day I strongly feel that Baez has control of the remains and the funeral and he is the one that is delaying having the funeral. I wonder why he let that slip in court because is just makes Casey seem more horrific and unfeeling by not signing over Caylee's remains to the Anthony's. And Baez wonders why the public views his client the way they do...:glare:
Did she have to sign them over to Baez because of the second autopsy, or could she have signed them over to George and Cindy?

[OneUp]

Nope, and neither will the famous picture of the nanny with Casey and Caylee taken at the park.
Oh that "alleged" picture! I *almost* forgot it! I'd bet that picture is almost as valuable to the right buyer as one of Bigfoot!...and IMO, even more elusive. I tend to believe in the possibility of Bigfoot far more readily than in the possibility that there EVER was a nanny for Caylee!
I WISH a reporter would ask Baez about that picture! it was supposed to be a "BOMBSHELL" that would support Casey's tall tales.
JMO.

[Postergeist]

Yes, but they should not resent anyone wanting to pay their respects to Caylee...:sad:

kitty- it sure appeared to be some resentment or disgust or something negative when viewing the videos of Lee from the different times that toys were placed back in the summer and later memorials and items after the ID came back and he was grabbing them up.

:(

imo

[Dells]

But what they did is a crime. They didn't believe Casey was innocent, they knew she killed their granddaughter. They tried to cover for her crime. No ammunity.

:thumbdown:

I do agree that they did cover up, but if their testimony will help convict Casey then to me it would be worth it to give them immunity. I would rather see Casey sit in jail for murdering Caylee, even if that means that the Anthony's are given immunity. To me the most important thing is that Casey gets convicted of this crime and gets either LWOP or the DP.

[trich]

Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
Ah yes Cry, how could I ever forget the "casey would scream bloody murder" remark from cynthia?


Too bad she did not scream bloody murder when she was knocked down and her child taken from her..........of course we know why.....it never happened.
That statement is just another example of people not taking notice of what they lie about.
Lies are forgotten but the truth never.

[Lavenia]

i wasn't here last night but i see no reason for you to apologize for your opinions. we all have them. and it seems until we have alittle truth from the anthony camp that's about all we have. sorry if i sounded snippy anout nancy. wasn't my intention , but after i read it, it did sound that way. the 31 days is what got me from the very beginning. but that too is just my opinion. i just hope someone caves and tells the truth.:smile:

Someone, anyone! This little girl needs a hero in the family. Let's hope that MAY be going on behind the scenes. (I know, I'm an optimist.)

[crymeariver2006]

I am reading old news reports. I missed this....

"On the Record ," August 7, 2008
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,400001,00.html

Mark Fuhrman reported from outside Sawgrass Apartments. According To Mark, his sources told him Sawgrass Apts phone number was not on Casey's cell phone records, BUT ZG's phone number was on her phone.


Has this been confirmed?

I don't know if the number was listed as ZFG, but Lee called one of the numbers on Casey's phone and found out it was a neighbor (it just wasn't listed on the phone as the neighbor's name.)

IIRC

[destiny1]

Did she have to sign them over to Baez because of the second autopsy, or could she have signed them over to George and Cindy?

It had to be done that way for legal purposes. although there would be no physical custody, the chain of custody of any and all evidence in crimminal cases has to be kept pristine.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh that "alleged" picture! I *almost* forgot it! I'd bet that picture is almost as valuable to the right buyer as one of Bigfoot!...and IMO, even more elusive. I tend to believe in the possibility of Bigfoot far more readily than in the possibility that there EVER was a nanny for Caylee!
I WISH a reporter would ask Baez about that picture! it was supposed to be a "BOMBSHELL" that would support Casey's tall tales.
JMO.
Yes and it also came out the same day Casey was rearrested, they were doing anything at that point to take the focus off of Casey.

[OneUp]

IMO, they're going to displace their anger on anyone and everyone they can to keep from having to admit the totality of where it should be placed 100%.ITA Lavenia. That would be in keeping with their character. In keeping at least with their actions during this case and as reported by others in prior instances.
JMO.

[dixielover]

I tend to agree w/you. If they will tell the truth if given immunity I think it is worth it. I just want Casey to pay for the crimes that she has committed. I think before the Anthony's were just clinging to hope that Caylee was alive. I think once they see all the evidence they will have to know that Casey killed Caylee and I am hoping that they will want justice for their granddaughter. It seems like Casey is purposely trying to hurt them further by not allowing them to visit and by signing over Caylee's remains to her attorney. I think they are getting to the point where they no longer want to protect her.

On a side note, I do not understand why Casey is withdrawing herself from everybody but her attorney. I can't figure out if it is coming from her or from her attorney. I truly think it is a mistake on her part. Right now I think she thinks she is holding all the cards and is delighted in some sort of demented way that she has the power to hurt her parents even further. But once this case is over, and her attorney moves onto another case, Casey is going to find herself very very alone. She will be convicted of killing her daughter and she will have no friends or family that want to visit her. So the power she thinks she has now is just going to hurt her in the long run. I wonder if after a few years in prison she will really and truly regret everything she has done? From the murder of her daughter right on down to destroying her family with all the lies and refusing to tell the truth as to what happened to Caylee. I don't think it is just the immediate family she has destroyed either. I think the great grandparents and the full extended families have been torn apart as well. Maybe once she has had a chance to sit in jail for 10 or 20 years the horror of what she has done will finally dawn on her?

I really don't understand this immunity. Haven't LE got everything on tape and if they change their story now wouln't the defense just discredit them with their own words. I guess they could say that everything they said was a lie and knew KC killed Caylee- which I doubt they would say that.-going to be interesting. imo

[crymeariver2006]

Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
Ah yes Cry, how could I ever forget the "casey would scream bloody murder" remark from cynthia?


Too bad she did not scream bloody murder when she was knocked down and her child taken from her..........of course we know why.....it never happened.
That statement is just another example of people not taking notice of what they lie about.
Lies are forgotten but the truth never.

The thing is, Cindy made that claim LONG after Casey was indicted for murder. I thought it was rather a strange (reaching) comment to make in light of what had happened and what the evidence was beginning to reveal.

IMO

[trich]

I do agree that they did cover up, but if their testimony will help convict Casey then to me it would be worth it to give them immunity. I would rather see Casey sit in jail for murdering Caylee, even if that means that the Anthony's are given immunity. To me the most important thing is that Casey gets convicted of this crime and gets either LWOP or the DP.

IMO the prosecutors do not need anything from the Anthonys in order to prove Casey guilty.(I hope I am right) Should they be given immunity I would not trust anything they said...
I am very suspicious of what they might come up with.
I say let them wonder and worry what they might be charged with.

[tisamystery]

Typical NG, much ado about nothing, making a big deal out of a reporter calling Casey by her first name.

I don't get it. There's so many more important things to address regarding this case, imo.

Just typical NG crankiness.

[spiritwolf46]

I do agree that they did cover up, but if their testimony will help convict Casey then to me it would be worth it to give them immunity. I would rather see Casey sit in jail for murdering Caylee, even if that means that the Anthony's are given immunity. To me the most important thing is that Casey gets convicted of this crime and gets either LWOP or the DP.

Ya know, Dells, I was thinking the exact same thing last night.

I feel for the Pros. because I think that they are stuck between a rock and a hard place. IF they give them immunity, they may talk and MAY tell the truth (which I feel is as much of a stranger to them as it is to their daughter) OR they don't and the A's plead the 5th.

WOW! I just don't know what I would do, but am very sure that the Pros. is basically saying they have enough without them, hopefully, by not giving it to them.

Who knows. Makes ya think, doesn't it?

[Daffodil]

I do agree that they did cover up, but if their testimony will help convict Casey then to me it would be worth it to give them immunity. I would rather see Casey sit in jail for murdering Caylee, even if that means that the Anthony's are given immunity. To me the most important thing is that Casey gets convicted of this crime and gets either LWOP or the DP.

I don't think LE needs their testimony to convict Casey. It seems there is already enought evidence.

[OneUp]

Didn't she lose her job or apartment or something?Both according to her, if it was indeed related to her questioning, then the landlord and the supervisor/boss/whatever should be ashamed of themselves for victimizing her on suspicion alone!
People tend to react to suspicion, but that doesn't make it "right" or LEGAL.
JMO.

[velvetbrown]

o/t- imo you need to be present with your minor child for this the entire time- esp. since it has to do with photography. I'd get inside pronto.

Thanks for worrying, but she's in good hands...they've been in business for over 30 yrs, and the agency has used them for 25...the area is creepy, but alot like soho/village used to be in NY...rent is cheap, and they shoot a lot of movies here...

[Neffy]

I dont understand their actions, not at all. If there was a protest to be had, it should have been on the courthouse steps; at the office of the bonds people, go make a statement where the problem originated.

Casey was bailed out, not by her parents. the individuals who should have been the recipient of this outrage were not confronted.

misdirected anger. I do understand they were an easy 'mark' because they allowed her to come home and sit out her bail time there, with comfort. that may outrage some, however, the people who effected this situation are the responsible individuals for giving her freedom.

I am not fond of mob mentality. they serve no purpose. all they did was upset innocent families who reside on that block.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Exactly. Ita! The Anthony's didn't need confronting but apparently the villagers had no leader and it was a free for all. I staged protest would have spoke volumes and gotten their point to go much further.

After the 31 days was found out - the jig was up. No one is that stupid.

[kitty1182]

kjt200..The answer to the first question is June 24th..

[crymeariver2006]

Good Morning,

A couple questions and comments. Of course none of them are linked in any way, they are again totally random.

Questions:

1. I read about how the "bug experts" have placed a time line down on when they think the little one died and how long she was in her mothers car. Would someone be so kind as to remind me of the date that George said he was home and wanted to get that stuff out of Casey's car and she ran ahead and grabbed the items out of the trunk and slammed the lid down? Do those dates match with the bug experts findings? Thanks so much in advance.

*snipped*.

The day George wanted to get into the car (supposedly) was 6/24.

[Dells]

Last night on NG one of the reporters said that people are donating from around the country. She said they are typically donating $20. IIRC, George deposited a few hundred bucks when she was first locked up.

I wonder if Jose Baez is donating to her account as well? Is he allowed to do that?

[callmetree]

Lennys presentation of himself is aggravating at the very least, but he is spot on in some of his "predictions'.

However, I still think that the anthonys resent the level of attention that he is getting.

i've said this all along. lenny is a character but i like him. i really think his heart is in the right place. i think he knows more than he's telling and let's it come out at the right times. the anthonys are not thinking right in my opinion. why even think about lenny at a time like this?:sad:

[tisamystery]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby


Not to be snarky, but how would you know if you baby needs you if you're outside? I can't imagine any reputable modeling agency not allowing the parents to be present.

[Regina.Lampert]

sorry too lazy to go back and look. When is kronks pc? Thanks Regina

As far as I know it was only reported by Mr. Evans, RK's attorney, that they are looking at venues in which he will give the interview.

[desmom]

I don't know if the number was listed as ZFG, but Lee called one of the numbers on Casey's phone and found out it was a neighbor (it just wasn't listed on the phone as the neighbor's name.)

IIRC

Thanks Cry. I remember that. If it is true, I am sure it will come out in the civil suit. jmo

[Dells]

Thanks the info.

We have starving people in this country and they'd rather send their money to a baby killer? That is morally wrong on every level, imo.

:thumbdown:

I don't get it either. Maybe people think that if they donate money it is a way to interject themselves into this case? I think it is very strange and I do not understand it. But, if she keeps getting all these donations it doesn't appear that she will run out of money anytime soon.

[Neffy]

rumor has it, and I will believe it when I see it from a reputable news outlet that it came directly from LE, that Mr Kronk had an expunged domestic kidnapping charge and that he is a former PI himself from Tennessee.

:no:

That was debunked.

[tisamystery]

i've said this all along. lenny is a character but i like him. i really think his heart is in the right place. i think he knows more than he's telling and let's it come out at the right times. the anthonys are not thinking right in my opinion. why even think about lenny at a time like this?:sad:

I liked Lenny up until the report that he hoped to make money off of the finding of the body/skeleton. I think it was the man from Equsearch who reported that nugget.

[playnice]

i've said this all along. lenny is a character but i like him. i really think his heart is in the right place. i think he knows more than he's telling and let's it come out at the right times. the anthonys are not thinking right in my opinion. why even think about lenny at a time like this?:sad:

I hope this funeral doesnt turn in to a fighting :punch: and hammer are left at home.
can you imagine someone showing up that Cindy doesnt like or doesnt support casey?

[destiny1]

i've said this all along. lenny is a character but i like him. i really think his heart is in the right place. i think he knows more than he's telling and let's it come out at the right times. the anthonys are not thinking right in my opinion. why even think about lenny at a time like this?:sad:

I don't believe that the anthonys could possibly be capable of thinking right about very much right now. I wouldn't be able to myself. It's just such a tragedy on all levels.

[OneUp]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet babyOOOO velvet! I still go in with my "baby" who is nearly 17 on every shoot! I know some parents are PITA for photographers, and lots don't want me there, but if I can't go she doesn't either. It's just too easy for soeone to cross the line...even reputable agencies get scammed by pervs. now and again!
If you have a "history" with the agancy, and they know you will keep low profile and not interfere, then they'll generally talk the set into allowing you.
It may be a little OT...but I'm glad you point out that a NORMAL parent is protective of her child, even when they are with supposedly reputable people. No decent person, let alone a parent would drop a 2 y.o. off in a parking lot or a stariwell and leave her to make her way to the apartment!
Casey;s every word proves the disconnect between herself and Caylee.
Not just dropping her off like that, but even casey saying she would get upset if it were Cindy, or not even knowing what TIME she dropped her off!
All so many little things that together show there was NO parent/child bond for Casey. She never displays anything of concern besides wooden statements that she hopes she will come home, etc.
Casey contrasts sharply with ANY decent and normal parent on every level. At least she does for anyone with a lick of common sense!
JMO.

[callmetree]

Sorry...as I type I'm sitting in my jeep in a run down warehouse area, some w broken windows, and I just dropped off my 10 yr old baby for a modeling shoot. Respectable agency, but the area creeps me out so much, I,m parked outide in case my baby needs me of if she sets FOOT outside that door!

Cannot FATHOM how Casey could harm much less kill her sweet baby

you velvet are a normal loving mother. my kids are grown now but i still worry about them. i guess this will never stop for a mother. my daughter will not even let her children play in the front yard unless she is with them. most of us do what we can to protect our children from any harm that may come their way. too bad casey is not like most of us...:sad:

[velvetbrown]

My niece takes her daughter there. the girl does english style riding and models. I worry. glad to hear it is semi-safe.

Thanks destiny...I did my research...after all, I post on this board! :)

[MGM111]

:no:

That was debunked.

Ooooh..thank goodness.
I just knew that poor guy was going to be torn apart...Whew

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks the info.

We have starving people in this country and they'd rather send their money to a baby killer? That is morally wrong on every level, imo.

:thumbdown:

I SO totally agree with this! There are those, though, who always do this. I sure don't understand how someone could give money to a baby killer, but hey, glad that I can't understand it!

[tisamystery]

Judging from the clip of Caylee reading the book, Caylee referred to Cindy and George and "papa" and "mama". That must have irked Casey.

[tomsgirl]

i've said this all along. lenny is a character but i like him. i really think his heart is in the right place. i think he knows more than he's telling and let's it come out at the right times. the anthonys are not thinking right in my opinion. why even think about lenny at a time like this?:sad:

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

[JHP]

I hope this funeral doesnt turn in to a fighting :punch: and hammer are left at home.
can you imagine someone showing up that Cindy doesnt like or doesnt support casey?

If thats the case it's going to be a small funeral.

[tisamystery]

I SO totally agree with this! There are those, though, who always do this. I sure don't understand how someone could give money to a baby killer, but hey, glad that I can't understand it!

There are people who just like to take the opposite point of view for the sake of being different.

[OneUp]

Are you surprised to see my opinion, OneUP? :smile:

I was waiting to see something that totally convinced me that this was murder as opposed to an accidental death and cover up. I am totally convinced (and saddened) now that it was murder.

I'm still sympathetic and supportive of George and Cindy though. :smile:Nope. I figured we would end up on the same page re Casey. It seemed I was just willing to base my opinion ( I wouldn't have convicted her by any means tho.) upon what we had heard and what was documented...and you wanted confirmation. Nothing wrong in that. I would want PROOF in court, but on here I was comfortable making an opinion based upon the evidence and my instincts.
Nasty thing isn't she SS? I'd say I hope she ends up getting what she deserves...but I don't think we have any punishment that really meets "what she deserves"!
JMO.

[callmetree]

(I would go inside and be with her till it's over)

my daughter was in modeling also. there were times when the parents weren't allowed to watch. but you can bet i was always sitting outside waiting also.:smile:

[Postergeist]

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

seems odd but I guess they could have some of their pro bono body guards/PI's at the door.

Recall that the Grunds or Jesse talked about having a memorial for Caylee. Maybe that family would be glad to have LP and TM, etc. attend.

imo

[?noanswer]

I wonder if Jose Baez is donating to her account as well? Is he allowed to do that?


I don't know if he is allowed, but he can't even pay for records he requested from LE. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

I think once Lenny hears they want him banned, he'll be more determined to show up. I wonder if they will allow Mr Grund?

[SavannahStar]

I don't think LE needs their testimony to convict Casey. It seems there is already enought evidence.

ITA on that.

[Neffy]

I hope this funeral doesnt turn in to a fighting :punch: and hammer are left at home.
can you imagine someone showing up that Cindy doesnt like or doesnt support casey?

Cindy opens the door doing something then she is slapped down publicly then cites grieving victim, family tragedy.

Spinner of actions.

Her actions have caused reactions.

Who else will be shut out at the door to the memorial. Publicly she's decried one.

Did she get screen shots of the protesters? Will their mugs be posted at the door? Perhaps the "bouncers" will be made to review the tapes and remove any one they remember being on them

Ironic that although I don't agree with the way the "villagers" acted. They all did it in defense of CAYLEE and wanted justice for CAYLEE.

Who's this memorial for again?

[Lavenia]

I wonder if Jose Baez is donating to her account as well? Is he allowed to do that?

He hasn't been shown as a donor to date. I don't think it would be *illegal* for him to donate but OMG the impropriety would be awesome!

[destiny1]

I think once Lenny hears they want him banned, he'll be more determined to show up. I wonder if they will allow Mr Grund?
It is a little bit pitiful that they say public and in the next breath use the banned word.

[spiritwolf46]

seems odd but I guess they could have some of their pro bono body guards/PI's at the door.

Recall that the Grunds or Jesse talked about having a memorial for Caylee. Maybe that family would be glad to have LP and TM, etc. attend.

imo

That is a good thought! I hope that the Grunds WILL have one and all will be welcome! That would make me so happy. For CAYLEE'S sake.

[dixielover]

I heard the FBI/detective ? guy on NG last night say that the LE has much more information regarding the case. Do you think they will continue to release it or in a holding pattern. I wonder if by releasing they are trying to force the defense to accept a plea. I am sure they would love to save money and not take this thing to trial. Of course, not going to trial would probably cut down the exposure of the defense dream team and that is why they are helping KC in the first place and They will also need a dramatic ending to the movie. I think we are going to trial. imo

[?noanswer]

I hope this funeral doesnt turn in to a fighting :punch: and hammer are left at home.
can you imagine someone showing up that Cindy doesnt like or doesnt support casey?

The last think I would be worrying about is who might come to a public memorial for a loved one (unless my LO was killed and the killer wanted to attend). If it is public, can they refuse to let anyone attend. How can they prevent anyone from attending? JMO

[Dells]

Sorry, had to step away awhile & just getting back to the board.

I watched the video with Hoover & his attorney. The attorney was asked did they tape the exact area where Caylee was found. IIRC, he said no, but they were very close.

If it were being orchestrated by the defense, why would Hoover say Casey's car was seen there? WHO saw Casey's car there, and why would they tell him and not LE?

I believe that the area was probably underwater, but obviously the bag had been breached. Even with water, wouldn't the dogs have picked up something? It wasn't a lake but a swampy area, and it sounds like her little bones were everywhere. Bottom line, why did no one even make an attempt with dogs?

This whole thing is making me very ill. Now we've got someone saw Casey's car there in June, Roy Krunk calling LE 3 times in August, then the mixed-up confusion of the PI & Hoover being there in November, Equusearch knowing about the tip in November .... all in this one little 300-foot-long area. If LE would send divers into lakes, why wouldn't they put searchers into that swampy area (with their hip boots)?

I want to hear what Roy Krunk has to reveal next. Something stinks. Too many people dropping the ball. Something's not right.

<Bolding is mine> My guess is that maybe people didn't want to go to LE w/the tip because they didn't want to be questioned or have their identity known? Maybe they thought if they handed the tip onto someone else that they would have less involvement? Seeing how the MR and various other witnesses are being treated I can't say I blame them.

[tisamystery]

So when IS this supposed to go to trial? Is there a date yet? And will it be televised?

[spiritwolf46]

Cindy opens the door doing something then she is slapped down publicly then cites grieving victim, family tragedy.

Spinner of actions.

Her actions have caused reactions.

Who else will be shut out at the door to the memorial. Publicly she's decried one.

Did she get screen shots of the protesters? Will their mugs be posted at the door? Perhaps the "bouncers" will be made to review the tapes and remove any one they remember being on them

Ironic that although I don't agree with the way the "villagers" acted. They all did it in defense of CAYLEE and wanted justice for CAYLEE.

Who's this memorial for again?

Good post, Neffy.

[Postergeist]

It is a little bit pitiful that they say public and in the next breath use the banned word.

have to :laugh: a bit when that was reported- it just sounded so much like what a member of a MB would say now- doesn't it?

(rather than "he's not welcome, we don't want him attending, we will bar him at the door" it's banned)

[kitty1182]

It is a little bit pitiful that they say public and in the next breath use the banned word.

I agree..It's not like they think he will make a scene..He was good enough to go her bail, he's good enough to pay his respects..IMO

[playnice]

Who's this memorial for again?

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Hopefully its a memorial for Caylee and not a support group for casey.

[Lavenia]

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

It's not unusual for families to hire security for public funerals to keep unwanted people from attending. There are often family schisms that occur that fuel the need for this, there are mistresses and their children that are kept from funerals, there are possible suspects that haven't been arrested yet that are kept out; just a whole host of reasons people want to have a public funeral yet want to except one to a few people, IMO.

ETA: I'm not saying that's it's right for them to disallow LP, just that it's not unusual to ban someone who is "bothersome" to a family at an otherwise public funeral.

[SavannahStar]

Nope. I figured we would end up on the same page re Casey. It seemed I was just willing to base my opinion ( I wouldn't have convicted her by any means tho.) upon what we had heard and what was documented...and you wanted confirmation. Nothing wrong in that. I would want PROOF in court, but on here I was comfortable making an opinion based upon the evidence and my instincts.
Nasty thing isn't she SS? I'd say I hope she ends up getting what she deserves...but I don't think we have any punishment that really meets "what she deserves"!
JMO.


Well, OneUp.......I am still reeling from it all, tell you the truth. Yes, she's most definitely a "nasty thing." I'm still, actually, in a bit of a state of shock since my "epiphany" last night.

I just take great comfort in the fact that (I believe) she has lost it all, and knows it. I'm not of the opinion, shared by many on here, that she thinks she'll get off, or that she still hates Caylee, or that she is giddy and overjoyed at what she may get "off" of. She won't get off. And I think she knows it. I think she may be feeling remorse, because I think whatever she did to cause that baby's death, was not well thought out and may have been spur of the moment.

I think whatever "earthly" punishment she may receive may be nothing like what she will get in the afterlife. And even then I am not convinced, as I believe ......... well, I'm not getting into the religious aspect. Been there, done that, and been chastised for it.

Dont' know what more to say, except this is a very, very sad case, which has affected us all. Whew.

[playnice]

So when IS this supposed to go to trial? Is there a date yet? And will it be televised?

Casey appeared boredin court the other day. I wonder if she will bring her drawing paper and colored pencils she bought in jail so she has something to keep her busy during the trial?

[dixielover]

We were wondering what she was doing with stamps and stationary - I think she bought some at first- she is proably writing thank you notes to all the people who is sending her money. Didn't she send that Dakota a thank you note or something- gotta keep that money coming in!! imo

[SavannahStar]

Casey appeared boded in court the other day. I wonder if she will bring her drawing paper and colored pencils she bought in jail so she has something to keep her busy during the trial?

:rolleyes:

I did see a legal pad and pen before her on the table yesterday. Which made me think it was "placed" to look good.....that seems to be the norm at trials. Though it wasn't lost on me she was in handcuffs and couldn't write on that pad even if she tried. LOL.

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone remember when some of Casey's friends were on her visitors list and she decided not to see them and see only family? Who was the friends?

TIA

[Postergeist]

I agree..It's not like they think he will make a scene..He was good enough to go her bail, he's good enough to pay his respects..IMO

He didn't make a scene did he during the dive search at the little Econ River? ( I recall some posts made that people asked him for his autograph and he handed out business cards)

IMO Lenny seems to be able to conduct himself properly in public.

He actually tugged at my heart a bit when he was on NG discussing how he was shook up over the fact that his daughter that lives in some northern state had her family cat killed by coyotes. I think he said that affected him for 2 weeks or something.

IMO this shows the man has empathy for others and for creatures.

That's a plus in my book.

And sweet little Caylee at not quite 3 displayed empathy- when she says in her final video "you tired papa?"

She was an observant little soul then- noticing the demeanor of another person and showing care and concern.

God love her

:rose:

[Neffy]

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Hopefully its a memorial for Caylee and not a support group for casey.

Banning even one person from the Caylee memorial has made her actions disingenuous. This is about Cindy's personal revenge on someone.

(wonder where she got the idea of sending Lenny to band camp :w00t:)

[WillowInFlight]

Casey appeared boded in court the other day. I wonder if she will bring her drawing paper and colored pencils she bought in jail so she has something to keep her busy during the trial?

She was totally emotionless, I want to see how she holds up to the trial. I mean this will be her daughters remains they will be talking about. I picture the state stating a theory and Casey jumping up screaming, "No, thats absolutely not how it happened".

[kitty1182]

:rolleyes:

I did see a legal pad and pen before her on the table yesterday. Which made me think it was "placed" to look good.....that seems to be the norm at trials. Though it wasn't lost on me she was in handcuffs and couldn't write on that pad even if she tried. LOL.

I noticed that too..lol
Wish there had been a cell phone in front of her, I bet she would get those hands up there then..lol

[OneUp]

Thanks destiny...I did my research...after all, I post on this board! :)I didn't think of that! I'm sorry if you felt I and others didn't give you enough credit velvet!
FWIW, i STILL go with mine, and will until she is 18. It just takes one perv.+ one person from the agency dropping the ball for something questionable or that makes her uncomfortable to happen. But that's me and my teen. I'm sure plenty of people would say I'm WAY overprotective. Given that I have already lost a child and have no intention of seeing any harm come to another on my watch, they're probably right!
Hypervigilant may be an issue for me!.....I've always been a little unsettled that as controlling in general as Cindy appears to be, she would not check into Caylee's daycare thoroughly. It certainly doesn't seem that she trusted casey much in general to make good choices...why assume she would pick "the best" sitter? Don't you all think Cindy would feel Caylee deserved the best there was?...and don't you think she would believe her experience in such matters superior to Casey's?
Again, I wish Casey had just one iota of the parental concern and sense of responsiblity that most of us have! This wouldn't even be a blip on our radar if she had any "parent" in her being at all IMo!
JMO.

[SavannahStar]

I noticed that too..lol
Wish there had been a cell phone in front of her, I bet she would get those hands up there then..lol


:lol:..............

[playnice]

I noticed that too..lol
Wish there had been a cell phone in front of her, I bet she would get those hands up there then..lol

I wonder if they offered her unlimited cell phone usage in prison she would confess?

[5boxersmom]

He didn't make a scene did he during the dive search at the little Econ River? ( I recall some posts made that people asked him for his autograph and he handed out business cards)

IMO Lenny seems to be able to conduct himself properly in public.

He actually tugged at my heart a bit when he was on NG discussing how he was shook up over the fact that his daughter that lives in some northern state had her family cat killed by coyotes. I think he said that affected him for 2 weeks or something.

IMO this shows the man has empathy for others and for creatures.

That's a plus in my book.

And sweet little Caylee at not quite 3 displayed empathy- when she says in her final video "you tired papa?"

She was an observant little soul then- noticing the demeanor of another person and showing care and concern.

God love her

:rose:

I thought of that last night. Caylee had more compassion at the age of 2 1/2 then her mother ever has.

:rose:

jmo

[callmetree]

I liked Lenny up until the report that he hoped to make money off of the finding of the body/skeleton. I think it was the man from Equsearch who reported that nugget.

tim miller did say it and i think he's a great person for all he does for people. i trust in what he does. lenny may or maynot have said that. i did respect lenny for never bad mouthing tim. but he never denied saying those things either. i still like him and admire him for trying to find little caylee after tim called his search off. i think he is trying to make up for things he did in the beginning. LE seems to be okay with him sticking around. i'm sorry if i offend anyone with my thinking of lenny. i still think his heart is in the right place. maybe not ALWAYS what comes out of his mouth though. but you have to admit he has been right about alot of things. wrong some also, but he does not say his thinking is a fact.

[dixielover]

She was totally emotionless, I want to see how she holds up to the trial. I mean this will be her daughters remains they will be talking about. I picture the state stating a theory and Casey jumping up screaming, "No, thats absolutely not how it happened".


I think she will be sticking her fingers in her eyes and crying - blowing her nose in a kleenex and give those "i wouldn't do anything like that" puppy dog eyes. It will be an Oscar performancy- unfortunately for her the jury get to see and hear those tapes. imo

[MGM111]

She was totally emotionless, I want to see how she holds up to the trial. I mean this will be her daughters remains they will be talking about. I picture the state stating a theory and Casey jumping up screaming, "No, thats absolutely not how it happened".

That will be cynthia doing the screaming...the OC will continue to sit there emotionless...imo

[kitty1182]

He didn't make a scene did he during the dive search at the little Econ River? ( I recall some posts made that people asked him for his autograph and he handed out business cards)

IMO Lenny seems to be able to conduct himself properly in public.

He actually tugged at my heart a bit when he was on NG discussing how he was shook up over the fact that his daughter that lives in some northern state had her family cat killed by coyotes. I think he said that affected him for 2 weeks or something.

IMO this shows the man has empathy for others and for creatures.

That's a plus in my book.

And sweet little Caylee at not quite 3 displayed empathy- when she says in her final video "you tired papa?"

She was an observant little soul then- noticing the demeanor of another person and showing care and concern.

God love her

:rose:


I bet Caylee would not mind him being there..I hope they change their mind...She can never be hurt again....She is with her Father now..

[Postergeist]

She was totally emotionless, I want to see how she holds up to the trial. I mean this will be her daughters remains they will be talking about. I picture the state stating a theory and Casey jumping up screaming, "No, thats absolutely not how it happened".


willow- you left out the cussy words- 'are you ***ing kidding me?!' rants.

:wink:

[playnice]

That will be cynthia doing the screaming...the OC will continue to sit there emotionless...imo

I wonder if she will show emotion when Tony is called to testify?

[kitty1182]

I wonder if they offered her unlimited cell phone usage in prison she would confess?

:biggrin::biggrin:

............

[callmetree]

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

beats me! these people just do not nor will ever think like the most of us do.

[spiritwolf46]

He didn't make a scene did he during the dive search at the little Econ River? ( I recall some posts made that people asked him for his autograph and he handed out business cards)

IMO Lenny seems to be able to conduct himself properly in public.

He actually tugged at my heart a bit when he was on NG discussing how he was shook up over the fact that his daughter that lives in some northern state had her family cat killed by coyotes. I think he said that affected him for 2 weeks or something.

IMO this shows the man has empathy for others and for creatures.

That's a plus in my book.

And sweet little Caylee at not quite 3 displayed empathy- when she says in her final video "you tired papa?"

She was an observant little soul then- noticing the demeanor of another person and showing care and concern.

God love her

:rose:

What a sweet and wonderful post! Thank you!

[Neffy]

Does anyone remember when some of Casey's friends were on her visitors list and she decided not to see them and see only family? Who was the friends?

TIA

I missed that.

[Pretty Leaf]

No immunity for the Anthony's. They have made enough statements about the odour of the car, George stating that the smell was something you never forget and he was afraid when he opened the trunk that his daughter or grandaughter would be inside.

Get them on the stand, if they take the 5th then pepper them with their own documented statements, and video's then if they still won't talk that should speak volumes to the jury.

If they aidded or abeited the search then they should be charged, one or all of them.

[kitty1182]

:lol:..............



LOL..Too bad one didn't ring while she was sitting there....

Caylee:rose:

[OneUp]

I think she will be sticking her fingers in her eyes and crying - blowing her nose in a kleenex and give those "i wouldn't do anything like that" puppy dog eyes. It will be an Oscar performancy- unfortunately for her the jury get to see and hear those tapes. imoI think she will TRY to playact...and I don't think she can maintain it for an entire day of testimony, let alone the entire trial. We all saw how limited her ability to look "sorrowful and concerned" was at that little PC Baez held...the one where he "reminded" us that Casey is someones daughter too...etc.
She couldn't even react in the "right" places then, and that was only for a few minutes that I suspect were well rehearsed!
JMO.

[velvetbrown]

Relax everyone, she's back! Thanks for all your loving concern...you guys are the BEST

[ruth66]

I agree. And they're proven liars so why should LE or anyone believe them just cause immunitiy is now attached to what they say? They'll still hold back information, sugar coat things, or down right, LIE. JMO

Nothing about the crime itself can be learned from them unless Casey confessed. Which, again, even if Casey told them what happened, they'd sugar coat the story. JMO

The State doesn't need them or their variations of stories to convict Casey.

Good Morning and my apologies, I am very very behind in reading this morning and probably can't stay long but....

ITA, at what point can anyone say with 100% certainty that the Anthonys are finally being truthful. They have proven to be less than honest with LE.

Secondly, about the tips that now has everyone in an uproar, I agree with the poster who said they wouldn't put it past the defense to be using these tips as smoke and mirrors. We all know what kind of tips were being called in, handed to CA (according to her), etc....for pete's sake the first set of tips we saw were all from palm readers and physcics (can't even spell the darn word). Keeping in mind that both of these gentlemen worked for either Baez or the Anthonys at one point. That right there ought to raise the eyebrows....I really can't find a lot of fault with LE, they were working with carp trying to make sense of it all. I realize that is their job, but this case has to really be a one of a kind. I agree with the poster that said this case should be used as a case study...unbelievable

[Dells]

What is so SICKENING is the thought that Caylee was most likely in the trunk of her car w/duct tape over her mouth the evening Casey and TonE were skipping happily through Block Buster.
witch

I agree, it is absolutely sickening. I also think it is one of the pieces of evidence that is going to help convict her.

[Lavenia]

Well, OneUp.......I am still reeling from it all, tell you the truth. Yes, she's most definitely a "nasty thing." I'm still, actually, in a bit of a state of shock since my "epiphany" last night.

I just take great comfort in the fact that (I believe) she has lost it all, and knows it. I'm not of the opinion, shared by many on here, that she thinks she'll get off, or that she still hates Caylee, or that she is giddy and overjoyed at what she may get "off" of. She won't get off. And I think she knows it. I think she may be feeling remorse, because I think whatever she did to cause that baby's death, was not well thought out and may have been spur of the moment.

I think whatever "earthly" punishment she may receive may be nothing like what she will get in the afterlife. And even then I am not convinced, as I believe ......... well, I'm not getting into the religious aspect. Been there, done that, and been chastised for it.

Dont' know what more to say, except this is a very, very sad case, which has affected us all. Whew.

With all due respect SS, I think you have another epiphany coming. This girl feels no remorse. She's a dime a dozen sociopath that may regret getting doing what she did because she got caught but not the deed itself. She's a shell of a human who thinks of nothing but her own needs, IMO.

[kitty1182]

Relax everyone, she's back! Thanks for all your loving concern...you guys are the BEST

:beer:..........

..........

[WillowInFlight]

I wonder if she will show emotion when Tony is called to testify?

Oh I bet she will be shooting each and every one of her friends daggers, for turning against her, then she'll be silently blaming Caylee for putting her in this situation.

[MGM111]

I wonder if she will show emotion when Tony is called to testify?

Oh I think we can bank on that..it will certainly be an interesting trial in many many ways!!

[Dells]

Just reading while curling my hair here, but I agree.

The "mom" part is what is disrespectful. She is no longer a mom and it was her choice.

Exactly, she lost the privilege of being called a mom when she murdered her daughter.

[tisamystery]

Casey is not the actress she thinks she is.

[velvetbrown]

Can you imagine? Casey's trial will make OJ's look like a high school play...That court room isn't big enough for all the egos...Cindy, Casey, Dream Team, etc. Let's pray we don't have a Judge Ito...

[OneUp]

I wonder if she will show emotion when Tony is called to testify?I'd bet on a visible reaction...I suspect, she might pull some body language in front of her formerly beloved Tony that indicates to him she has moved on. Something like leaning on Jose, or touching his arm....watch for it, cause I DO think she is that shallow/self centered/ridiculous in general.
...and as long as you feel rage, irritation, boredom, and disinterest are "emotional states" than I bet we see the whole array in court!
Do I expect any tears? yes, for herself and for how little anyone cares about HER....for Caylee? No.
JMO.

[Neffy]

I wonder if she will show emotion when Tony is called to testify?

I bet she'll waiver herself out.

She does not want to face anyone let alone what she's done.

[Dells]

I agree V11. Wasting LE resources has been a major part of the defense strategy. The constant Caylee sightings from all over the country was not only a way to raise reasonable doubt but an effort to keep LE spread thin and unable to focus on building the case against casey.

I was shocked when Baez thought the trial date was set for March and the prosecutor had to set him straight. I truly believe that if she is convicted ineffective counsel will be a serious appeal issue.

<Bolding is mine> I was shocked too. I really don't care for Baez and I think a lot of his decisions as to how he is handling this case are downright incompetent. I would worry if I was him, because once Casey is convicted she will turn on him as fast as she can.

[destiny1]

Well, OneUp.......I am still reeling from it all, tell you the truth. Yes, she's most definitely a "nasty thing." I'm still, actually, in a bit of a state of shock since my "epiphany" last night.

I just take great comfort in the fact that (I believe) she has lost it all, and knows it. I'm not of the opinion, shared by many on here, that she thinks she'll get off, or that she still hates Caylee, or that she is giddy and overjoyed at what she may get "off" of. She won't get off. And I think she knows it. I think she may be feeling remorse, because I think whatever she did to cause that baby's death, was not well thought out and may have been spur of the moment.

I think whatever "earthly" punishment she may receive may be nothing like what she will get in the afterlife. And even then I am not convinced, as I believe ......... well, I'm not getting into the religious aspect. Been there, done that, and been chastised for it.

Dont' know what more to say, except this is a very, very sad case, which has affected us all. Whew.

SS that thing doesn't feel any remorse for anything except the fact that she didn't get away quick enough and landed her sorry behind in jail and will never see the light of day again. Thats the only remorse I believe she will ever feel regarding Caylees death.

[ruth66]

have to :laugh: a bit when that was reported- it just sounded so much like what a member of a MB would say now- doesn't it?

(rather than "he's not welcome, we don't want him attending, we will bar him at the door" it's banned)


what class they display.....have they watched the news lately? They are on every newscast out there..one would think they would try putting their best foot forward...

[Postergeist]

I bet Caylee would not mind him being there..I hope they change their mind...She can never be hurt again....She is with her Father now..

I agree kitty- my faith teaches me that is where she is at.

It is just so sad to think tho, why can't children be safe while they are on earth- why do some only get that after they've crossed over?

On the Anthony's website they stated something about Caylee's "safe now".

All children deserve safety while here.

[nc1948]

That is a medication cart. The woman is probably a CMA (certified medication aide).

The CMA is giving the residents of the facility their medications.

Joe.

I know nothing........but someone earlier said they thought that the picture of Caylee reading book with lady behind with medication cart was taken at Cindy work/office. They thought George or Casey had brought Caylee by to visit.

[SavannahStar]

With all due respect SS, I think you have another epiphany coming. This girl feels no remorse. She's a dime a dozen sociopath that may regret getting doing what she did because she got caught but not the deed itself. She's a shell of a human who thinks of nothing but her own needs, IMO.

I don't think if she feels remorse, we'll ever see it or hear of it, Lavenia.

I'm not one of the ones who believes in the "dime a dozen sociopath" theory, sorry. Casey is SOOOOOOO far beyond that, she is totally unique. I can't compare her to anyone, in any crime case, I have ever followed. I've talked about that a bit, in previous posts, the past week or so.

I like to think she feels remorse. But at any rate, I'm not one who posts a lot about "she thinks," "she feels," "she will never" this or that, or "she always" this or that.

If I were a trained, educated professional in the field of psychology, and I had studied her, in person, over time, with many interviews and tests, well then I could make a judgment. Until then, not ever. Nor do I feel those who put words in her head have any validity.

But that's just me.

[dixielover]

I'd bet on a visible reaction...I suspect, she might pull some body language in front of her formerly beloved Tony that indicates to him she has moved on. Something like leaning on Jose, or touching his arm....watch for it, cause I DO think she is that shallow/self centered/ridiculous in general.
...and as long as you feel rage, irritation, boredom, and disinterest are "emotional states" than I bet we see the whole array in court!
Do I expect any tears? yes, for herself and for how little anyone cares about HER....for Caylee? No.
JMO.

The one I can't wait to see is how she reacts to the love of her life Tone- can you just imagine what that poor guy is thinking- I bet his skin is crawling thinking about being with her. imo

[Dells]

It seems she was the only ZG contacted by LE and it was only because of the inmate that she was even contacted. If Casey has any sort of estate, monies or future monies I'd think an atty could try to get a portion of that for his client. Not really sure tho- as I just don't have that much exp. with the law and with attys. (ttl)

Just thinking tho how many people either lost their job or quit working due to a "missing child"- Lee, G & C, and ZG but it all ties back to Casey.

imo

I think that ZG deserves something. Because of Casey's lies she got dragged into this whole mess. If nothing else maybe ZG can get her hands on some of the money in Casey's commissary account?:tonguewag:

[Postergeist]

What a sweet and wonderful post! Thank you!

:blush: yw spiritwolf.

Even tho none of us knew her, just seeing her sweetness in that video, was precious.

[Lavenia]

I know nothing........but someone earlier said they thought that the picture of Caylee reading book with lady behind with medication cart was taken at Cindy work/office. They thought George or Casey had brought Caylee by to visit.

It was at the ALF that Caylee's GGF was living in. Cindy had a desk job at a home health agency and wouldn't have a med cart there, IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I agree kitty- my faith teaches me that is where she is at.

It is just so sad to think tho, why can't children be safe while they are on earth- why do some only get that after they've crossed over?

On the Anthony's website they stated something about Caylee's "safe now".

All children deserve safety while here.

ITA, ALL children. I just pray that child didn't suffer, I wonder also if she was looking up into Casey's eyes.

[Neffy]

SS that thing doesn't feel any remorse for anything except the fact that she didn't get away quick enough and landed her sorry behind in jail and will never see the light of day again. Thats the only remorse I believe she will ever feel regarding Caylees death.

She still doesn't understand why no one followed her tips and didn't run to NY, NC or why the call Caylee placed to her fell on deaf ears.

I mean once they found the "book" certainly they would have known it would all point to Zanny.

[spiritwolf46]

I bet she'll waiver herself out.

She does not want to face anyone let alone what she's done.

I don't know. This will give her the PERFECT time to bat her eyes at him with crocodile tears that are saying "LOOK at what these people are doing to ME!!!!"

There is not one bit of remorse from her and there never will be. She is and will be all about herself. No matter what. ITA.

[kitty1182]

I agree kitty- my faith teaches me that is where she is at.

It is just so sad to think tho, why can't children be safe while they are on earth- why do some only get that after they've crossed over?

On the Anthony's website they stated something about Caylee's "safe now".

All children deserve safety while here.



Amen..

...........

[AlohaRainbow]

'
... all the criticism, all the flak, all the finger pointing. I don't think being Lenny is such a great thing these days.

But when a "public memorial" isn't public - that's just petty. I would think his $50K bought him a seat - even if it's in the back.
i'd be curious to know if the a's or their atty will receive "hate" mail from the public re not allowing lenny to attned (similar to the type of mail they received re asking the public to pay for caylee's funeral)

[smileyjoe]

Oh I think we can bank on that..it will certainly be an interesting trial in many many ways!!

So does everyone think KC has actual feelings for Tony?

It's still bugging me, just exactly what it was that she felt about Tony, that she didn't feel for her daughter.

I know she is a sociopath/psychopath, but why the emotion for Tony?

Joe.

[Pruddennce]

<Bolding is mine> My guess is that maybe people didn't want to go to LE w/the tip because they didn't want to be questioned or have their identity known? Maybe they thought if they handed the tip onto someone else that they would have less involvement? Seeing how the MR and various other witnesses are being treated I can't say I blame them.


there was a reward for discovery of the 'truth'. for an alive child or a dead child. I cannot see an 'innocent' concerned citizen withholding their name and reason why they were in a certain area. even if they were doing their own 'concerned' search.

the whole "Caylee is alive' had loony tunes contacting the Anthonys, giving their names and one such person (5 seconds of tv exposure, the airport lady who Cindy fed info to, IMO), was in contact with Cindy DAILY, so says Cindy to Casey during one of her jailhouse visits.

Casey thought that was great.....of course she did. a loon is a fantastic diversion.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Postergeist]

I bet she'll waiver herself out.

She does not want to face anyone let alone what she's done.

glad you mentioned that- I was going to ask if a defendant has to be present for all the witness testimony, etc.

If she doesn't have to be, maybe she would skip the days that certain people are called.

[spiritwolf46]

ITA, ALL children. I just pray that child didn't suffer, I wonder also if she was looking up into Casey's eyes.

Willow, I have wondered about her looking into her murderer's eyes before she went home, too. Everytime I think about that I just want to sob.

I pray so hard that she never suffered. I pray so hard that the never knew that the person she loved and trusted most, was the DEMON that took her short little life.

:rose: For precious little CAYLEE. May you rest in peace.

[kitty1182]

Neffy- since it is a private service don't the A's have a right to invite who thay want, I was surprised that the attorney mentioned 1 person had wouldn't be invited.

JMO



It is being called a public service..

[WillowInFlight]

Neffy- since it is a private service don't the A's have a right to invite who thay want, I was surprised that the attorney mentioned 1 person had wouldn't be invited.

JMO

They are talking about banning Lenny from the public service.

[5boxersmom]

They are talking about banning Lenny from the public service.

The sad truth is Lenny would probably pay for Caylee's funeral if the Anthony's didn't have the money.

jmo

[smileyjoe]

I know nothing........but someone earlier said they thought that the picture of Caylee reading book with lady behind with medication cart was taken at Cindy work/office. They thought George or Casey had brought Caylee by to visit.


Med carts aren't used in business or Dr. office settings. They are very common in nursing homes.

Joe.

[Neffy]

Neffy- since it is a private service don't the A's have a right to invite who thay want, I was surprised that the attorney mentioned 1 person had wouldn't be invited.

JMO


It's not a private service.

It's "BILLED" as a public memorial.


I used the word "billed" as this IMO has turned into an "event" certainly not a memorial. The last thing that comes to mind is a "guest list" of who will not be allowed.

I have not heard of any arrangements for their private service.

[kitty1182]

The sad truth is Lenny would probably pay for Caylee's funeral if the Anthony's didn't have the money.

jmo



That is true...

[Postergeist]

I know nothing........but someone earlier said they thought that the picture of Caylee reading book with lady behind with medication cart was taken at Cindy work/office. They thought George or Casey had brought Caylee by to visit.

oh- I always thought it was the Father's Day visit at the ALF that Cindy took her to visit her great-granddad.

:confused:

[spiritwolf46]

The sad truth is Lenny would probably pay for Caylee's funeral if the Anthony's didn't have the money.

jmo

Ya know, I believe this as well. There is little doubt that he would do just that.

[WillowInFlight]

oh- I always thought it was the Father's Day visit at the ALF that Cindy took her to visit her great-granddad.

:confused:

I did too.

[Lavenia]

I don't think if she feels remorse, we'll ever see it or hear of it, Lavenia.

I'm not one of the ones who believes in the "dime a dozen sociopath" theory, sorry. Casey is SOOOOOOO far beyond that, she is totally unique. I can't compare her to anyone, in any crime case, I have ever followed. I've talked about that a bit, in previous posts, the past week or so.

I like to think she feels remorse. But at any rate, I'm not one who posts a lot about "she thinks," "she feels," "she will never" this or that, or "she always" this or that.

If I were a trained, educated professional in the field of psychology, and I had studied her, in person, over time, with many interviews and tests, well then I could make a judgment. Until then, not ever. Nor do I feel those who put words in her head have any validity.

But that's just me.


They ARE a dime a dozen. They don't have a *little* remorse, or remorse *sometimes*, they are LACKING remorse. Period. That's exactly why they ARE a sociopath/psychopath by definition. Have I examine her myself? No. Do I have a ton of experience and education regarding her "kind"? Yes, and I trust my experience and education. If I were a mechanic watching a car have a tire blowout on TV, I may not visually inspect that tire, but I bet I could accurately diagnose a bad tire pretty well. (Bad analogy, but I'm tired, lol.)

I respect your opinion but I'm entirely comfortable with mine on Casey.

ETA: I apologize because I read my first response to you and I was trying to make you see it *my* way and that's not fair...

[WillowInFlight]

About the waiver not to appear..........

How far can that waiver extend? Is it possible that someone could waive their presence throughout an entire trial and not even be there? Could that be possible?

I think someone posted the other day she could do that.

[kitty1182]

About the waiver not to appear..........

How far can that waiver extend? Is it possible that someone could waive their presence throughout an entire trial and not even be there? Could that be possible?

I hope not......I want her sitting in the court room!!!!!!

[Lavenia]

So does everyone think KC has actual feelings for Tony?

It's still bugging me, just exactly what it was that she felt about Tony, that she didn't feel for her daughter.

I know she is a sociopath/psychopath, but why the emotion for Tony?

Joe.

For how he makes her feel in some way.

[nc1948]

I don't get it either. Maybe people think that if they donate money it is a way to interject themselves into this case? I think it is very strange and I do not understand it. But, if she keeps getting all these donations it doesn't appear that she will run out of money anytime soon.

I don't understand it either. I would never, ever want my name associated with her. Remember Scott Peterson has pen pals mostly women. Why would any woman want an association with a man convicted of not only murdering his wife, but his unborn child. These people are sick.

[Regina.Lampert]

It's not a private service.

It's "BILLED" as a public memorial.


I used the word "billed" as this IMO has turned into an "event" certainly not a memorial. The last thing that comes to mind is a "guest list" of who will not be allowed.

I have not heard of any arrangements for their private service.

I am preparing myself for the day when cynthia tells the media that "her own little grieving event coordinator," casey anthony, arranged the service with her favorite hymns and gospel readings.


:cuss:

[Mimi428]

Does anyone remember the day Tim almost lost the 4x4 in that area? Perhaps TES did try to act on that tip but couldn't search because the water was still there?


I don't recall if Tim was on Greta or Nancy two nights ago, but I do recall reading where he specifically spoke about that area & the water problems. ONE of the reasons they pulled out was because of losing equipment, but he pointed out that a bigger reason was because they were afraid that if they continued to try to search in that water-covered area, either the vehicles could run over the remains - or the horses could step on the remains, etc.

And that makes sense to me. If you can't see exactly where your feet, or the horses' feet will be landing - & you can't see EXACTLY what the tires will be running over - you risk that you could ruin what is left of the remains. Ruin, as in, make it impossible for the ME to ascertain the state they were in before you tromped all over them.

Remember the the tape from the psychic, taken back in August - where she remarks about the water being knee-deep. You can see in that videotape, that there is no way she would have been able to tell where her next step would land or what would be under it. I was thinking how dangerous it was for not seeing a snake ahead of time, but I wasn't thinking about the possibility that she (or TES or anyone) could have stepped on top of part of Caylee's remains.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

The sad truth is Lenny would probably pay for Caylee's funeral if the Anthony's didn't have the money.

jmo

And you believe that would be completely altruistic on his part? I sure don't. Lenny is looking out for Lenny.

[WillowInFlight]

I am preparing myself for the day when cynthia tells the media that "her own little grieving event coordinator," casey anthony, arranged the service with her favorite hymns and gospel readings.


:cuss:
OMG I wouldn't be surprised, Cindy would love to let everyone know that Casey made all the plans with Caylee in mind.:cursing:

[destiny1]

And you believe that would be completely altruistic on his part? I sure don't. Lenny is looking out for Lenny.

Lenny did a lot of good and he is being dogged. I get totally aggravated with him, but it is normal to have some rational self-interest.

[OneUp]

So does everyone think KC has actual feelings for Tony?

It's still bugging me, just exactly what it was that she felt about Tony, that she didn't feel for her daughter.

I know she is a sociopath/psychopath, but why the emotion for Tony?

Joe.
FWIW, I don't think she has regular FEELINGS for him, but I DO think she had an ATTACHMENT to him. IMO, she was deeply infatuated with the idea of who she believed she would be if she was coupled with him. I think she saw that as a glamorous and enviable life of partying and being Mrs. DJ....some childish MTV generated fantasy about "club life".
I can beleive she wouls think other women would envy her...and to someone so self involved and shallow, that means ALOT.
JMO.

[Neffy]

I am preparing myself for the day when cynthia tells the media that "her own little grieving event coordinator," casey anthony, arranged the service with her favorite hymns and gospel readings.


:cuss:

Oh I hear you on that! :cursing:

[SavannahStar]

They ARE a dime a dozen. They don't have a *little* remorse, or remorse *sometimes*, they are LACKING remorse. Period. That's exactly why they ARE a sociopath/psychopath by definition. Have I examine her myself? No. Do I have a ton of experience and education regarding her "kind"? Yes, and I trust my experience and education. If I were a mechanic watching a car have a tire blowout on TV, I may not visually inspect that tire, but I bet I could accurately diagnose a bad tire pretty well. (Bad analogy, but I'm tired, lol.)

I respect your opinion but I'm entirely comfortable with mine on Casey.


That's fine, Lavenia.

I just don't see her as a "typical" sociopath.

I've seen comparisons on here between her and Scott Peterson, for example. They are in no way comparable, IMO.

She's unique.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Neffy- since it is a private service don't the A's have a right to invite who thay want, I was surprised that the attorney mentioned 1 person had wouldn't be invited.

JMO

I hoped Conway's projected integrity would influence the A's, perhaps the opposite has occurred.
jmo

[nc1948]

How can you ban someone from a "public" funeral or memorial or what ever they are calling it? Isn't he part of the public? :confused:

No link but I thought it had been said that there will be security there to make sure no one brings in camera, camera phones, recorders. So I guess security can also have a list of allowed guest. Don't know. Doesn't sound like any memorial I have ever been to. (And I sure would not go to this one.) Potential for problems is to great for me.

[smileyjoe]

For how he makes her feel in some way.

Okay. I know. Because I had a spouse who was anti-social personality/sociopath.

I never felt so loved until he turned on me, couldn't use me anymore, was finished with the game he played on me.

Tony is lucky to be out of this relationship so early in the game, imo.

It will devastate a normal person.

Joe.

[LordMisRule]

About the waiver not to appear..........

How far can that waiver extend? Is it possible that someone could waive their presence throughout an entire trial and not even be there? Could that be possible?

If that happened, that would be the most fatal mistake in her defense she could make. The defense is going to use Casey's physical appearance to humanize her. She's attractive, she's petite, she doesn't look like what people think is a murderer. I think they are going to use that to garner sympathy, and put doubt in the jurors minds "How could the girl next door do such a horrific crime?" And, as we have seen before, she's able to cry when it's her behind on the line.

[Postergeist]

*snipped*

I like to think she feels remorse. But at any rate, I'm not one who posts a lot about "she thinks," "she feels," "she will never" this or that, or "she always" this or that.

If I were a trained, educated professional in the field of psychology, and I had studied her, in person, over time, with many interviews and tests, well then I could make a judgment. Until then, not ever. Nor do I feel those who put words in her head have any validity.

But that's just me.

Thinking back to her jail call w/ her parents- she did show remorse about what she did to Amy- recall that? She told them something about she did "feel bad" about that- then some odd comment about she was desperate and George asked her what did she mean by that.

But yeah- there seemed to be a small part of her that did feel bad for her treatment of Amy (the check stealing).

Now who knows how far that extends to the other people in her life that she stole from or lied to or hurt emotionally and then with Caylee physically...

imo

[MGM111]

So does everyone think KC has actual feelings for Tony?

It's still bugging me, just exactly what it was that she felt about Tony, that she didn't feel for her daughter.

I know she is a sociopath/psychopath, but why the emotion for Tony?

Joe.

Hello Joe,

Tony gave her attention...that is what she appears to crave above and beyond anything else.

She wrote his name in her note book...over and over again like a love sick teenager and also wrote her name with his last name.

In her mind he was the answer to all of her problems in her little life..if he fell in love with her she could move out of her home and live with him....she could have it all!

So yes - I think there will be an actual emotion from her when Tony walks into the court room..however as he begins to talk and it is not in her favor..she will (as another poster suggested) hold on to Baez for support...imo

[really3997]

I am preparing myself for the day when cynthia tells the media that "her own little grieving event coordinator," casey anthony, arranged the service with her favorite hymns and gospel readings.


:cuss:

I figured it was going to be Disney like. you have to show your purse and bags at the entrance to make sure you have no photography equiptment. Doubt I will attend unless I know for sure it is for Caylee and not for a pr moment for the Anthony's

[destiny1]

Okay. I know. Because I had a spouse who was anti-social personality/sociopath.

I never felt so loved until he turned on me, couldn't use me anymore, was finished with the game he played on me.

Tony is lucky to be out of this relationship so early in the game, imo.

It will devastate a normal person.

Joe.

That poor Jesse was so sad. He still loved caylee though he was done with casey relationship wise.

[?noanswer]

<Bolding is mine> I was shocked too. I really don't care for Baez and I think a lot of his decisions as to how he is handling this case are downright incompetent. I would worry if I was him, because once Casey is convicted she will turn on him as fast as she can.

When is the trial date? I was thinking it had been delayed until March. Guess I missed something along the way. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Cindy's list.
1)Lenny
2) Rick
3)Rev. Grund
4)Jessie
5) Amy

Have I missed any?
Kathy Belich

[Lavenia]

That's fine, Lavenia.

I just don't see her as a "typical" sociopath.

I've seen comparisons on here between her and Scott Peterson, for example. They are in no way comparable, IMO.

She's unique.

(I edited my last post to apologize for trying to ram my opinion down your throat, BTW.)

How do you think they differ? I see them as 2 peas in a pod.

[playnice]

Cindy's list.
1)Lenny
2) Rick
3)Rev. Grund
4)Jessie
5) Amy

Have I missed any?

Christina because she said Casey fed her to the gators.

[SavannahStar]

Thinking back to her jail call w/ her parents- she did show remorse about what she did to Amy- recall that? She told them something about she did "feel bad" about that- then some odd comment about she was desperate and George asked her what did she mean by that.

But yeah- there seemed to be a small part of her that did feel bad for her treatment of Amy (the check stealing).

Now who knows how far that extends to the other people in her life that she stole from or lied to or hurt emotionally and then with Caylee physically...

imo


Well right. The bottom line for me is as you said....."who knows"....dang if I don't have a bit of egotism myself, but I would NEVER EVER EVER proclaim to "know" how someone feels. Never.

[Dells]

I can't understand the A's having to get in more digs by mentioning LP. I'm surprised that the atty. repeated it to the media. If I had been him, I would have let it go. JMO

Exactly, they have a right to include or not include anybody that they want. But by stating LP's name specifically in the media just makes them look bad.

[Neffy]

I hoped Conway's projected integrity would influence the A's, perhaps the opposite has occurred.
jmo

ITA and was actually shocked to hear Conway relay it. Cindy like Casey are very spiteful vengeful people. They are no longer able to contain this trait in the privacy of their home. It's one thing when they do it and another when someone else feels relaying it is in their best interest.

[Regina.Lampert]

Cindy's list.
1)Lenny
2) Rick
3)Rev. Grund
4)Jessie
5) Amy

Have I missed any?

Let's see, anyone who sold their story, so let's add Kiomarie Torres and Christine Chester to the list.

[Lavenia]

Okay. I know. Because I had a spouse who was anti-social personality/sociopath.

I never felt so loved until he turned on me, couldn't use me anymore, was finished with the game he played on me.

Tony is lucky to be out of this relationship so early in the game, imo.

It will devastate a normal person.

Joe.

I'm sorry you learned the hard way. :rose: Everything and everybody is just a stepping stone and a tool for their use and satisfaction, to be discarded at will and not a look back nor a tear shed.

[5boxersmom]

Let's see, anyone who sold their story, so let's add Kiomarie Torres and Christine Chester to the list.

Ricardo did as well.

jmo

[smileyjoe]

That poor Jesse was so sad. He still loved caylee though he was done with casey relationship wise.


Yup, Jesse was a victim. And I believe that Tony would be a victim also, eventually.

Thanks for the insight you guys.

Be careful, because I am not a stupid person and was taken in by a sociopath and never saw it coming.

Joe.

[dixielover]

Let's see, anyone who sold their story, so let's add Kiomarie Torres and Christine Chester to the list.

what about Tim imo

[Neffy]

Well right. The bottom line for me is as you said....."who knows"....dang if I don't have a bit of egotism myself, but I would NEVER EVER EVER proclaim to "know" how someone feels. Never.

Bwahahahahahahah!

:lol:

Um ok.

[LordMisRule]

Cindy's list.
1)Lenny
2) Rick
3)Rev. Grund
4)Jessie
5) Amy

Have I missed any?

-Nancy Grace
-Zenaida Gonzalez
-Det. Melich
-Woman who yelled obsceneties and who accidently closed the car door on her son's arm
-Woman who lost her poster board due to Lee Anthony's overzealousness
-The owners of the lawn chairs George Anthony tossed into the street

[martha]

The sad truth is Lenny would probably pay for Caylee's funeral if the Anthony's didn't have the money.

jmo ITA with you Lenny hated it so bad that he bonded her out in the first place. someone lied to him and got him to do that by telling him casey would talik to him and tell him the truth and he believed it. We learn our lessons the hard way a lot of times. I have mine. He wanted caylee found and he tryed everything he could to help find her. He now knows what kind of family and lawyer he got messed up with and I am sure he wishes he had never bonded her out. I forgive him if he has done anything wrong. I like him. He means well. Some of the things he has said was just guessing just like we have done. I pray for him and everyone elce that has got caught up in this case and has done nothing wrong. everyone wanted to find caylee. Now we all want a trial and soon.jmho

[?noanswer]

About the waiver not to appear..........

How far can that waiver extend? Is it possible that someone could waive their presence throughout an entire trial and not even be there? Could that be possible?

IIRC, the Judge said yesterday, if she didn't want to attend any hearings, it would have to be in writing and even then, the court could determine whether or not she should attend. I don't know if that pertains to the trial. On some TV shows, if a defendant gets out of control, they will remove the defendant from the courtroom and have the d watch it on TV. Don't know if that happens in real life though. JMO

Added:
http://www.sptimes.net/2004/03/02/State/Supreme_Court_to_hear.shtml

Nixon did not attend his own trial. He stripped off his clothes and refused to enter the courtroom. The judge held a hearing in a cell to make sure Nixon was waiving his right to attend the trial. Nixon told the judge he wanted another attorney and that he would disrupt the trial.
The case will be argued before the Supreme Court in the fall.
The case is Florida vs. Nixon, 03-931.
[Last modified March 2, 2004, 01:44:59]

This is from 2004. Much more information on the link.

Unless the law changed since then, I guess a defendant can refuse to attend trial.

JMO

[Lavenia]

Well right. The bottom line for me is as you said....."who knows"....dang if I don't have a bit of egotism myself, but I would NEVER EVER EVER proclaim to "know" how someone feels. Never.

Sure you do. You say how the Ants feel all the time. You also ascribe feelings and motives to posters here quite often. Wrapping your opinions in the word "compassion" doesn't negate your opinions about what other people feel, IMO.

[joint-heir]

How can the place have been covered with water when there is video of Dominic digging and probing?
Wasn't that in November before the surrounding neighbors said it had dried up? Very confusing...
And you know what I keep thinking of is what did Casey plan on doing after she picked up Amy at airport? She had to know it wouldn't be long before Amy found her bank account was empty?

[Cury-us Coyote]

What do Casey Anthony -- and other inmates -- buy behind bars?

A jail official recently corrected CNN's Nancy Grace when the host talked about a "shrimp cocktail" Anthony had ordered. The closest thing in stock is a shrimp-flavored instant lunch of ramen noodles, jail spokesman Allen Moore said.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/features/food/orl-jail1009jan10,0,759970.story

[jammies]

I don't know. This will give her the PERFECT time to bat her eyes at him with crocodile tears that are saying "LOOK at what these people are doing to ME!!!!"

There is not one bit of remorse from her and there never will be. She is and will be all about herself. No matter what. ITA.


She's PO at him because he wants nothing to do with her.

[Postergeist]

Exactly, they have a right to include or not include anybody that they want. But by stating LP's name specifically in the media just makes them look bad.

IMO their attorney should've just omitted that altogether- even if that is their wishes, it didn't have to be blabbed to all the media. Cross that bridge when it comes- their are still no concrete plans made- cart before horse stuff.

[nc1948]

I think she will TRY to playact...and I don't think she can maintain it for an entire day of testimony, let alone the entire trial. We all saw how limited her ability to look "sorrowful and concerned" was at that little PC Baez held...the one where he "reminded" us that Casey is someones daughter too...etc.
She couldn't even react in the "right" places then, and that was only for a few minutes that I suspect were well rehearsed!
JMO.

She didn't play act at hearing yesterday. She was totally disinterested. She smiled at Baez, answered judge as yes, not Yes your honor, n tears when her childs remains were discussed, did not seem in the least nervous. The woman is totally unfeeling. IF I were in court for a speeding ticket, I would be so nervous, and yes sir, no sir. She is abnormal.

[spiritwolf46]

snipped

IMO.

She's unique.

How so?

[SavannahStar]

(I edited my last post to apologize for trying to ram my opinion down your throat, BTW.)

How do you think they differ? I see them as 2 peas in a pod.

Well for one thing, I think Scott made up a different "life" for himself in regard to Amber. This is a woman he was cheating with. He had a supposed "reason" for making himself out to be something he was not. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too, supposedly. He pretended he was not married. So do MANY (if not all!) cheating husbands.

Casey HAD no reason whatsoever to make up a life for herself. Just listen to her in her interviews, read her text messages. She talked about working at Universal like it was real. For what? Her imaginary life went beyond the pale. To the point of "psycopathy" (as opposed to "sociopathy" as I think of it).

Scott told Amber he was sitting in front of the Eiffel Tower, partying, right? To me that's just a darn lie, trying to impress a girlfriend. Think of Casey's lies......they are far different....saying her Dad had a stroke, telling about an accident ZG was involved in, talking about her day-to-day work life, in text messages to friends (who did NOT need to be lied to!).

Boggles my mind. No, they are not two peas in a pod, IMO. Scott lied primarily to get a little "on the side" while being married. Casey lied about her entire existence, to EVERYONE.

[jammies]

-Nancy Grace
-Zenaida Gonzalez
-Det. Melich
-Woman who yelled obsceneties and who accidently closed the car door on her son's arm
-Woman who lost her poster board due to Lee Anthony's overzealousness
-The owners of the lawn chairs George Anthony tossed into the street


I'm gonna take a wild stab and bet her own mother is on her **** list too. Those emails would have sent Cindy into a rage.

[martha]

Yup, Jesse was a victim. And I believe that Tony would be a victim also, eventually.

Thanks for the insight you guys.

Be careful, because I am not a stupid person and was taken in by a sociopath and never saw it coming.

Joe.ITA I don;t think tony or jesse eather one wants anything to do with casey now that they know what type person she is. I think c and g needs to be thankful she did not get rid of them. George knew from the day he picked up the car it was caylee in the trunk. He has to do what cindy sayes to do. I hope they will let them both open up and tell what they really know. Casey has done something like this in the past by what lee said. I wish they would all just tell it all come clean with tthe truth. I hope casey gets lwop.I am just praying le has a lot more on her than we know.jmho

[Postergeist]

Well right. The bottom line for me is as you said....."who knows"....dang if I don't have a bit of egotism myself, but I would NEVER EVER EVER proclaim to "know" how someone feels. Never.

I see your point Savannah- I'm one of those that bugs friends and family with wanting to know how they feel so I ask a lot of questions-

(what'd ya think of the movie? whaddya mean you didn't like it? it was funny as heck- what is wrong with you?!)

:lol:

[playnice]

She didn't play act at hearing yesterday. She was totally disinterested. She smiled at Baez, answered judge as yes, not Yes your honor, n tears when her childs remains were discussed, did not seem in the least nervous. The woman is totally unfeeling. IF I were in court for a speeding ticket, I would be so nervous, and yes sir, no sir. She is abnormal.

She probably was thinking "What a waste." I thought she looked like she would rather be back in her cell sleeping. She did spark up when she said bye to Baez. Her everys roving up and down his body unnerved me.

[Dells]

rumor has it, and I will believe it when I see it from a reputable news outlet that it came directly from LE, that Mr Kronk had an expunged domestic kidnapping charge and that he is a former PI himself from Tennessee.

Wow, that is interesting!:scared:

[spiritwolf46]

She's PO at him because he wants nothing to do with her.


Yeah, I know, but I still don't see that stopping her from "winning him back" by trying to show him how innocent she is. She is a piece of work, that one is. ;)

[Lavenia]

Well for one thing, I think Scott made up a different "life" for himself in regard to Amber. This is a woman he was cheating with. He had a supposed "reason" for making himself out to be something he was not. He wanted to have his cake and eat it too, supposedly. He pretended he was not married. So do MANY (if not all!) cheating husbands.

Casey HAD no reason whatsoever to make up a life for herself. Just listen to her in her interviews, read her text messages. She talked about working at Universal like it was real. For what? Her imaginary life went beyond the pale. To the point of "psycopathy" (as opposed to "sociopathy" as I think of it).

Scott told Amber he was sitting in front of the Eiffel Tower, partying, right? To me that's just a darn lie, trying to impress a girlfriend. Think of Casey's lies......they are far different....saying her Dad had a stroke, telling about an accident ZG was involved in, talking about her day-to-day work life, in text messages to friends (who did NOT need to be lied to!).

Boggles my mind. No, they are not two peas in a pod, IMO. Scott lied primarily to get a little "on the side" while being married. Casey lied about her entire existence, to EVERYONE.


They BOTH had fantasy lives to build themselves up in other peoples eyes to gain whatever they could by doing so. Gain for themselves through lying and murder to gain their fantasy lives. 2 peas in a pod.

[Dells]

Did she have to sign them over to Baez because of the second autopsy, or could she have signed them over to George and Cindy?

I thought Baez said in court that he is responsible for Caylee's remains and her funeral. It makes me think she completely signed them over to Baez.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Arrested On Kidnapping Charge

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.
...
"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html

[rbrnmw]

She still doesn't understand why no one followed her tips and didn't run to NY, NC or why the call Caylee placed to her fell on deaf ears.


I mean once they found the "book" certainly they would have known it would all point to Zanny.
Oh how I wish there were a way to make her have to look at what she did to that poor baby!!!:flamemad:

[LordMisRule]

ITA I don;t think tony or jesse eather one wants anything to do with casey now that they know what type person she is. I think c and g needs to be thankful she did not get rid of them. George knew from the day he picked up the car it was caylee in the trunk. He has to do what cindy sayes to do. I hope they will let them both open up and tell what they really know. Casey has done something like this in the past by what lee said. I wish they would all just tell it all come clean with tthe truth. I hope casey gets lwop.I am just praying le has a lot more on her than we know.jmho

I agree. Listening to Tony's interviews with LE, he sounded disgusted with the whole situation. I wouldn't be surprised if he refers to Casey Anthony as that "crazy **** who dragged me into this mess". He didn't sound like he had formed any attachment to Casey. I don't think they were on the same page when it came to their relationship.

[?noanswer]

-Nancy Grace
-Zenaida Gonzalez
-Det. Melich
-Woman who yelled obsceneties and who accidently closed the car door on her son's arm
-Woman who lost her poster board due to Lee Anthony's overzealousness
-The owners of the lawn chairs George Anthony tossed into the street

Anyone on the witness list, LE, FBI, and all message board posters. JMO

[SavannahStar]

They BOTH had fantasy lives to build themselves up in other peoples eyes to gain whatever they could by doing so. Gain for themselves through lying and murder to gain their fantasy lives. 2 peas in a pod.


I respect your opinion, Lavenia! I so disagree. I'm just not going to "diagnose" them. I have no training in the field of psychology, other than taking Psyc 101, 102, 103 and Abnormal Psyc in college many years ago. That's helpful, but doesn't take the place of a personal study. Meaning IN person, over time, and with specific testing. That's IMO.

[Postergeist]

She probably was thinking "What a waste." I thought she looked like she would rather be back in her cell sleeping. She did spark up when she said bye to Baez. Her everys roving up and down his body unnerved me.

even my hubby caught that and he has no interest in this case at all!

Do you think part of that is just habit tho? Others have commented how she was on the jail phone with Lee, etc. Maybe it is automatic when she is in the presence of any male?

[Lavenia]

I respect your opinion, Lavenia! I so disagree. I'm just not going to "diagnose" them. I have no training in the field of psychology, other than taking Psyc 101, 102, 103 and Abnormal Psyc in college many years ago. That's helpful, but doesn't take the place of a personal study. Meaning IN person, over time, and with specific testing. That's IMO.

Fair enough.

[?noanswer]

How can the place have been covered with water when there is video of Dominic digging and probing?
Wasn't that in November before the surrounding neighbors said it had dried up? Very confusing...
And you know what I keep thinking of is what did Casey plan on doing after she picked up Amy at airport? She had to know it wouldn't be long before Amy found her bank account was empty?

Didn't LP say she lived her life 10 min. at a time. Guess that 10 min. had not arrived yet. I cannot figure how she thought any of the things she did would not be found out. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I remember at some time LP said that Baez had told him he could not write a book about the case. Also, Baez would not let him have a conversation with Casey after LP bonded her out. I hope Lenny finds some way to recover his $50,000.

I think Lenny has some sort of listening device and hears a lot more than he tells.
Right, Lenny had to sign some kind of wavier.

[september]

When is the trial date? I was thinking it had been delayed until March. Guess I missed something along the way. JMO

It has not been scheduled.

[nc1948]

It was at the ALF that Caylee's GGF was living in. Cindy had a desk job at a home health agency and wouldn't have a med cart there, IMO.

Thanks, I am still playing catch up here. I really did not know where it was taken. Unfortunately so much incorrect info is posted and I end up missing the correction.

[Postergeist]

Arrested On Kidnapping Charge

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.
...
"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html

:scared: well golly bum! What is in the water down there in FL?

this is beyond soap opera fodder.

[rbrnmw]

Arrested On Kidnapping Charge

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.
...
"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html
Lawdy Lawdy this case just gets weirder and weirder by the second!! We have ZG who applied at Sawgrass the weird PI's search RK previous calls ad now this!!! JB will twist this one no doubt and make it look like RK kidnapped Caylee IMO:cursing:

[Mimi428]

(I edited my last post to apologize for trying to ram my opinion down your throat, BTW.)

How do you think they differ? I see them as 2 peas in a pod.

I do, too & I throw Diane Downs in that pod with them.

Psychopaths DO feel emotions, it is not as if they are anesthetized. Problem is they don't feel the loving ones, the ones that involve caring for another person's wellbeing. No tenderness, no empathy or sympathy, no ability to 'walk in another person's shoes', no LOYALTY or fidelity.

They certainly can & do feel boredom, irritation, frustration, anger & all of the ego-centric emotions that are strictly attached to 'me, myself & I'.

They mimic what they see others do & say when it comes to the expressions of caring & loving behavior. But they don't feel it. Casey knows that others expect her to show love & loyalty, even though the actual feelings are not in her. We all remember how fast she turned on a dime & included "and so am I" within milliseconds after snarling, "All anybody is worried about is CAYLEE". She knew others were concerned, she knew she was expected to be concerned, but with the time limit on the jail phone call & her impatience with not being able to get Tony's phone #, she dropped the facade for a few seconds & revealed her true self.

JMO

[destiny1]

Wow, that is interesting!:scared:


U think that it was debunked, but Lord! the things people come up with! could be? could not?

[MGM111]

:scared: well golly bum! What is in the water down there in FL?

this is beyond soap opera fodder.

But Cynthia drinks bottled water...cant be the water?

[LiLMaggie]

That's fine, Lavenia.

I just don't see her as a "typical" sociopath.

I've seen comparisons on here between her and Scott Peterson, for example. They are in no way comparable, IMO.

She's unique.

She's not unique, she's a sociopath. A plain ole typical sociopath. Nothing more, nothing less.

MOO

[Lavenia]

I do, too & I throw Diane Downs in that pod with them.

Psychopaths DO feel emotions, it is not as if they are anesthetized. Problem is they don't feel the loving ones, the ones that involve caring for another person's wellbeing. No tenderness, no empathy or sympathy, no ability to 'walk in another person's shoes', no LOYALTY or fidelity.

They certainly can & do feel boredom, irritation, frustration, anger & all of the ego-centric emotions that are strictly attached to 'me, myself & I'.

They mimic what they see others do & say when it comes to the expressions of caring & loving behavior. But they don't feel it. Casey knows that others expect her to show love & loyalty, even though the actual feelings are not in her. We all remember how fast she turned on a dime & included "and so am I" within milliseconds after snarling, "All anybody is worried about is CAYLEE". She knew others were concerned, she knew she was expected to be concerned, but with the time limit on the jail phone call & her impatience with not being able to get Tony's phone #, she dropped the facade for a few seconds & revealed her true self.

JMO

Here! Here! :beer:

[Elle]

:scared: well golly bum! What is in the water down there in FL?

this is beyond soap opera fodder.

I wish they had said it was expunged in the headline, but then they wouldn't have as many people interested in reading it.


'well golly bum', had to lol at that:smile:

[Lavenia]

U think that it was debunked, but Lord! the things people come up with! could be? could not?

I *think* the part that was debunked was the bounty hunter part, IMO. (And that may rear it's head yet the way this is going!)

[destiny1]

Arrested On Kidnapping Charge

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.
...
"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html
I didn't see this. Thanks.
I'll bet somebody tries to use that against him in this case though. Namely Baez.

[steffaroob4]

Arrested On Kidnapping Charge

The Orange County utility worker who last month discovered the remains of Caylee Anthony in a wooded area near the girl's grandparents' home was arrested in the early 1990s on kidnapping charges, Local 6 News reported.
...
"As a result of that confrontation, I was arrested based on false allegations that I had kidnapped my former girlfriend," Kronk said. "I chose to disclose this arrest and the expungement of the records because I had nothing to hide, and (I) have a personal policy of openness and honesty about events in my life."

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18448218/detail.html

Thanks, I am sure that interview will be interesting.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Local 6 Video

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains May Give Interview
(RK flying to NY)
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18448919/index.html

[101Spots]

FWIW, I don't think she has regular FEELINGS for him, but I DO think she had an ATTACHMENT to him. IMO, she was deeply infatuated with the idea of who she believed she would be if she was coupled with him. I think she saw that as a glamorous and enviable life of partying and being Mrs. DJ....some childish MTV generated fantasy about "club life".
I can beleive she wouls think other women would envy her...and to someone so self involved and shallow, that means ALOT.
JMO.

And yet at the same time, she had a honey on the side, or "in waiting"

It boggles my feeble little mind.

[Lavenia]

Local 6 Video

Man Who Found Caylee's Remains May Give Interview
(RK flying to NY)
http://www.clickorlando.com/video/18448919/index.html

I hope he doesn't. I know it must be tempting to clear yourself if rumors are swirling but I hate to see anything happen that the defense can pounce on.

[~layla~]

I don't understand it either. I would never, ever want my name associated with her. Remember Scott Peterson has pen pals mostly women. Why would any woman want an association with a man convicted of not only murdering his wife, but his unborn child. These people are sick.


We have people/posters on this very board that encourage writing Casey to see if they get a response from her. Whether its to be close to her or ridicule her, its still strange. Leave her in her misery, alone, cold, dark..... much like what she chose for her daughter. To write her would imply you care enough to waste ink and a stamp to have your say, so in effect, she has gotten what she wanted, your attention.

[nc1948]

She probably was thinking "What a waste." I thought she looked like she would rather be back in her cell sleeping. She did spark up when she said bye to Baez. Her everys roving up and down his body unnerved me.

Yes, she is totally inappropriate. The smile at Baez under the circumstances was out of place. Baez has already been reprimanded by the jail twice for touching during visits. Casey and Baez interaction has always bothered me.

[Postergeist]

I wish they had said it was expunged in the headline, but then they wouldn't have as many people interested in reading it.


'well golly bum', had to lol at that:smile:

LOL- that's one of my dear mom's phrases, along with "drat it all" and "crumb bum"- I didn't grow up in a house with the language the Anthonys seem more comfortable with using.

I guess the only ones connected to this case seem to be the young adult friends of Casey that are pretty spotless and hard working kids, whether they smoke doobie or drink- it appears they don't have any odd arrests or bad internet money scams...

makes my head spin

[AlohaRainbow]

Thinking back to her jail call w/ her parents- she did show remorse about what she did to Amy- recall that? She told them something about she did "feel bad" about that- then some odd comment about she was desperate and George asked her what did she mean by that.

But yeah- there seemed to be a small part of her that did feel bad for her treatment of Amy (the check stealing).

Now who knows how far that extends to the other people in her life that she stole from or lied to or hurt emotionally and then with Caylee physically...

imo
well, that's the thing with sociopaths (anti-social personality in the "new" lingo). they manipulate. they know the "right" thing to say, even if they don't "feel" those things. if she used the words "feel bad" in re what she did to amy, that's not necessarily remorse (although, as i said, she might say that because she knows it's the "right" thing to say). she could have meant that she felt bad because she got caught, because her own "desperation" made her do it, etc.

[spiritwolf46]

Yes, she is totally inappropriate. The smile at Baez under the circumstances was out of place. Baez has already been reprimanded by the jail twice for touching during visits. Casey and Baez interaction has always bothered me.


Okay guys, I gotta ask this. Did anyone watch Baez's eyes and where they were as Casey was was walking out of the jail, right after their little smiley exchange?

Take another look at it, if your can find it (I am not sure where the ending of the hearing would be) and tell what you think. ;)