Jan.9th part 1

[5boxersmom]

Good morning everyone.

Caylee:rose:

[GIGI4256]

Good morning everyone.

Caylee:rose:

mornin'
Happy Friday!:thumbup:

[bballgrl]

Good morning everyone.

Caylee:rose:

Morning Mom... Were there any PC's last night from Baez? After I left work, I had to go to work (#2) So I didn't get any news etc.. last night. Anyone see NG? Anything besides Casey being required to attend the hearing?

[march27]

I'm not sure what happened yesterday but I really like reading all the information on the message boards (since I have no cable) so can we all please be nice and stay on topic. Have a good day everyone

[penguinlady]

I was just about to try and start a thread...I am hoping we can all stay on topic and not get banned.

K

[sofiesmom]

Good morning everyone.

Caylee:rose:Good morning. So we're back in business? Last night was frustrating. I kept checking to see if the forum had been re-opened.

[AMS]

Morning Mom... Were there any PC's last night from Baez? After I left work, I had to go to work (#2) So I didn't get any news etc.. last night. Anyone see NG? Anything besides Casey being required to attend the hearing?

Good morning - here's the link to the video of Baez talking with the media.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18441566/index.html

[summer4meplz]

good morning Boxersmom and everyone......yesterday was certainly a big surprise...I wonder if that means casey will have to go to the rest of her hearings....I still don't understand the hold up for her funeral....at least we know it's not george and cindy's fault since baez seems to be the one in control....
I'm very anxious to hear the results of everything...fingerprints....toxocology...etc....

[floridamom]

Is this thread ok'd by Coldwater....or are we gonna get in trouble again?

[callmetree]

Good morning everyone.

Caylee:rose:

morning boxer and all. thanks for the new thread.good to see we are back :wub:

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

[Motomom]

Good morning all. The only thing I saw was Baez answering questions, i suppose sometime after the hearing? The link was posted yesterday to it, he tells everyone to stay away from the funeral home. He also said he would not take questions in regards to Caylees remains or funeral. Still wishing we could get a straight up answer as to who is in charge of her remains and her funeral. It is still bugging me today.

[JHP]

Brad Conway the Anthony's attorney was on the TODAY show this morning. I was very saddened when he was questioned about why they weren't in the courtroom? The response was something along the lines of they want to see her without cameras etc. etc. They still support their daughter. All I could think of was How about Caylee? What about her?

Very Sad IMO

[callmetree]

good morning Boxersmom and everyone......yesterday was certainly a big surprise...I wonder if that means casey will have to go to the rest of her hearings....I still don't understand the hold up for her funeral....at least we know it's not george and cindy's fault since baez seems to be the one in control....
I'm very anxious to hear the results of everything...fingerprints....toxocology...etc....

i can't imagine her not giving control of little caylee's remains to her family.:blink:

[sofiesmom]

Did you guys see the link that bluwaters posted on Open Court? If not...go look. I don't know how to bring it over. Also, I can't see any posts on this thread except for the first one. Does anyone know
what's wrong? I don't think it's my computer.

eta: Now I can see all posts. But I've been having problems getting past the first post and first page on threads for the past couple of days. Has anyone else had this problem lately?

[5boxersmom]

I think the thread is ok. The board was unlocked.

Today Show had a segment on Casey. They said she did not want to leave her cell to go to court. They said she refused at first.

The Anthony's attorney was on too. He said they do not want to visit Casey because of the taping. They want to see her in private.

He also said they are working on the funeral arrangements but nothing yet.

JMO until the video comes up.

[Neffy]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html

WOW.

Looks like scales have tipped in favor of the DP getting put back on the table.

Granted only one article and generic in details.

[AMS]

Last night on NG one of her guests was talking about "murderabilia". I guess there are 3 main dealers in the US who sell items related to murders. He said people buy copies of Nicole Brown Simpson's autopsy every day. An original letter from Scott Peterson in jail goes for $300. They sell bags of dirt from different murder scenes.

They were talking about this in relation to the Caylee photos. Doesn't seem like too many people think Baez will be able to set up a secure server in his office that can't be hacked.

IMO

[Motomom]

Brad Conway the Anthony's attorney was on the TODAY show this morning. I was very saddened when he was questioned about why they weren't in the courtroom? The response was something along the lines of they want to see her without cameras etc. etc. They still support their daughter. All I could think of was How about Caylee? What about her?

Very Sad IMO

Did they question him about her funeral at all? I didn't see the show. I guess they have to say they still support her but actions speak louder than words. they could have sat right behind her and had words with her, held her hand and they didn't.

[trt]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

I'm adding my thanks to CW...I got here this morning and thought I was going to actually have to do WORK all day!! LOL

[Katt2]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

Yes it is an interesting read but who are "sources" close to the investigation? It isn't an official source and that bothers me a little.

[destiny1]

Last night on NG one of her guests was talking about "murderabilia". I guess there are 3 main dealers in the US who sell items related to murders. He said people buy copies of Nicole Brown Simpson's autopsy every day. An original letter from Scott Peterson in jail goes for $300. They sell bags of dirt from different murder scenes.

They were talking about this in relation to the Caylee photos. Doesn't seem like too many people think Baez will be able to set up a secure server in his office that can't be hacked.

IMO

It is a both lucrative and horrific trade, and it should be illegal on any and all levels of participation.

[floridamom]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-


I wish we knew who the SOURCE was???? Very interesting. I truly hope that LE has an air tight case. Nothing would make me feel better thaN to see the Dream Team Lose and prove that justice can be served, even when people try to muddy the waters.

[Explorer]

I just cant believe this. How could she do something like this? Intentionally!!! After the fight with Cindy I bet Caylee didnt want to go with her mom and she put up a big fuss and thats when she killed her. Fish are warmer than Casey Anthony!! in my opinion

[destiny1]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html

WOW.

Looks like scales have tipped in favor of the DP getting put back on the table.

Granted only one article and generic in details.

Is there any cutoff date on which they have to either put the DP back or do they have to file a motion to do it and wait on a Judges decision?

[Motomom]

I think the thread is ok. The board was unlocked.

Today Show had a segment on Casey. They said she did not want to leave her cell to go to court. They said she refused at first.

The Anthony's attorney was on too. He said they do not want to visit Casey because of the taping. They want to see her in private.

He also said they are working on the funeral arrangements but nothing yet.

JMO until the video comes up.

If they don't want to visit her because of the taping, when will they visit her. Since her jail house viists are taped as well, it may be a long time coming. I think it's just an excuse.

[AMS]

It is a both lucrative and horrific trade, and it should be illegal on any and all levels of participation.

Good point. They did say the only way to prevent this in the future is through legislation.

[Neffy]

I think the thread is ok. The board was unlocked.

Today Show had a segment on Casey. They said she did not want to leave her cell to go to court. They said she refused at first.

The Anthony's attorney was on too. He said they do not want to visit Casey because of the taping. They want to see her in private.

He also said they are working on the funeral arrangements but nothing yet.

JMO until the video comes up.

Baez really has a backwards way of doing things.

Casey refusing to leave her cell OR Baez telling her it's in her best interest not to be seen in public are both viewed negatively.

His fault. He could have sided with asking for the gag order instead of opposing it.

This says to me he only wants himself out there considering his advice he's given to Casey. Yesterdays after court interview he alludes to himself and his advice that Casey should stay under wraps due to the public doing as this board did yesterday.

Did he expect anything less?

Hiding her draws more attention for the elusive Casey sightings now.

[madge]

wow, one minute I see closed and now we are open.

Yes, please lets try to keep the board open.

[5boxersmom]

If they don't want to visit her because of the taping, when will they visit her. Since her jail house viists are taped as well, it may be a long time coming. I think it's just an excuse.

I guess they will never visit her then because as long as she is incarcerated the visits will be taped. Even in Prison.

jmo

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning all....

Wasn't here yesterday, came on this morning and was shocked to see it closed...Happy to be back in business....

I had to laugh when Casey was asked to raise her right hand and sear to tell the truth.....Hah...imagine her telling the truth....It seems to me that Casey has put on a couple of pounds...her face looked a little fuller...

I think her parents weren't there because Casey wasn'r expected in court...However, I'm sure they watched her on TV.....Casey has guilt all over face...she can not look at anyone but Baez.....

I personally think this law suit by "Zenaida" is not going to net her anything....Casey was not the one who brought ZG in for questioning....if it does go anywhere then I see it as a class action suit for all people named "Zenaida Gonzales"......JMO

[penguinlady]

I'm adding my thanks to CW...I got here this morning and thought I was going to actually have to do WORK all day!! LOL


ME TOO! :scared:

I hope there is a way that they can bring the DP back. I know not everyone supports the DP but there are cases like this that warrant it.

IMO
K

[Kara]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-I've always felt that the killing was planned and intentional, not an accident.

Why she chose to kill Caylee is my biggest question. She could have just left Caylee to her parents. Maybe she thought she would be more appealing as the mother of a missing tot than she would be as a mother who simply abandoned her child...

[destiny1]

I guess they will never visit her then because as long as she is incarcerated the visits will be taped. Even in Prison.

jmo

Once she is officially put aay for good, in a few years, public interest will wane. She will be just another number. Then they can go and visit her.

[Barbara fl.]

I guess they will never visit her then because as long as she is incarcerated the visits will be taped. Even in Prison.

jmo


But, I believe that once she is convicted the calls wont be broadcasted...JMO.....In the Scott Peterson case...after he was found guilty...you didn't hear anything more except that his family visited him on the weekends.....JMO

[ellegna]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

Good morning everyone

Thanks for posting link. Very interesting indeed.
I always believed there had to be more info and withheld because it may be very incriminating. There are some people on the Casey who's who list we have not seen interview transcripts for yet. Could one of them hold the key?
Who's Who (http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/)

[Motomom]

I guess they will never visit her then because as long as she is incarcerated the visits will be taped. Even in Prison.

jmo

Hmm I guess they are. I don't understand what they are worried about. They don't have to talk about the case. I just don't buy it really. Maybe if a gag order was in place, they would go visit. I don't think Cindy wants to go myself. Even if they were worried about the tapes getting released, IMO seeing my daughter would be more important, unless Cindy has some choice words for her. I don't know.

[msgatorslayer]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

Ah, yes, botany. JMO, it will show that summer weeds and plants were flattened and water logged underneath the remains. With winter weeds starting to thrive over, around, and through, the remains after the water receeded in the past couple of weeks. I'm going for Dollar Weed!!

[shelbar53]

Investigators who initially thought that Caylee's death could have been an accident have changed their minds, sources said.
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-

Hmmmm, I wonder what the specific detail was for them to change their mind. I did read somewhere or heard that a cloth was placed over mouth, so I wonder if the cloth was ducted taped in place. I also read that "cloth" was found with the body but it didnt say if it was taped to the body, just found with the body.

[JHP]

Did they question him about her funeral at all? I didn't see the show. I guess they have to say they still support her but actions speak louder than words. they could have sat right behind her and had words with her, held her hand and they didn't.

I think they did, I was trying to listen and get children to school. They also talked about immunity for G&C. I think he said something about the GP's and public needed to put her (Caylee) to rest. As in funeral.

[callmetree]

where is blu? we need the candle link. i'm terrible with links and always rely on you that are good at it.

[Barbara fl.]

Once she is officially put aay for good, in a few years, public interest will wane. She will be just another number. Then they can go and visit her.


For some reason, I don't think she is looking forward to any visits from her family....but if she is, then she has somthing to look forward to in a couple of years.....:biggrin:

All her lies are now catching up with her....from every direction possible...isn't that too bad...:rolleyes:

[Lavenia]

I'm adding my thanks to CW...I got here this morning and thought I was going to actually have to do WORK all day!! LOL

Sacre bleu! :laugh:

I'm just so unsure about Jose having those pics on his own server. Talk about an open challenge to hackers. I realize Murt's chat board and his personal stuff wasn't on a protected server like Jose presumably will have but IMO, there will be a LOT more people taking a shot at hacking it, too. Murt's stuff was hacked to pieces. Then there are the industries that ARE protected like Jose can never be, like the IRS, banking industries, etc., that get hacked all the time. Color me skeptical.

[3Monkeys]

Did anyone glean from yesterdays court sessions if/when the items/motions requested by Baez would be provided to him? I'm anxious for another document dump! TIA

[destiny1]

Good morning all....

Wasn't here yesterday, came on this morning and was shocked to see it closed...Happy to be back in business....

I had to laugh when Casey was asked to raise her right hand and sear to tell the truth.....Hah...imagine her telling the truth....It seems to me that Casey has put on a couple of pounds...her face looked a little fuller...

I think her parents weren't there because Casey wasn'r expected in court...However, I'm sure they watched her on TV.....Casey has guilt all over face...she can not look at anyone but Baez.....

I personally think this law suit by "Zenaida" is not going to net her anything....Casey was not the one who brought ZG in for questioning....if it does go anywhere then I see it as a class action suit for all people named "Zenaida Gonzales"......JMO


Morning Barbara,

I agree for the most part, and believe that ZFG will not gain anything monetarily, but casey perpetuated her being brought in and during that time, it was revealed in one way or the other to the press/media and subsequently the public and subsequently her employer.

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html

WOW.

Looks like scales have tipped in favor of the DP getting put back on the table.

Granted only one article and generic in details.

Another article verifying that sources within LE have confirmed the duct tape on Caylee mouth, imo. If that is true, I want the death penalty back on the table.

A trial with the death penalty requires a DP certified jury, that is people who state they can and will impose the DP if the evidence warrants it.

Even then, a second part of trial will determine if it is actually imposed, after there is a conviction.

I want the State's Attorney to put it back on the table, pronto, because in my opinion she deserves it for this horrible crime against Caylee Marie.

[shelbar53]

Good morning all....

Wasn't here yesterday, came on this morning and was shocked to see it closed...Happy to be back in business....

I had to laugh when Casey was asked to raise her right hand and sear to tell the truth.....Hah...imagine her telling the truth....It seems to me that Casey has put on a couple of pounds...her face looked a little fuller...

I think her parents weren't there because Casey wasn'r expected in court...However, I'm sure they watched her on TV.....Casey has guilt all over face...she can not look at anyone but Baez.....

I personally think this law suit by "Zenaida" is not going to net her anything....Casey was not the one who brought ZG in for questioning....if it does go anywhere then I see it as a class action suit for all people named "Zenaida Gonzales"......JMO

When the judge asked her to raise her hand, it looked like she was ready to cry, then right after she was asked to state her name, her voice did not quiver and it sounded strong...not like she was ready to cry. So to me, it seems her facial expressions are not consistent to the way she is feeling.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

[JHP]

Ah, yes, botany. JMO, it will show that summer weeds and plants were flattened and water logged underneath the remains. With winter weeds starting to thrive over, around, and through, the remains after the water receeded in the past couple of weeks. I'm going for Dollar Weed!!

I hate Dollar Weed! Poor little girl! didn't it say something about weeds growing in the skeleton?

[floridamom]

no one is leakng anything...i can go down to our court house and put in a request for anything i want and get it except for autopsy photos (Dale Earnhardt Law)...although i can get a copy of any autopsy report that i want.

[shelbar53]

Did anyone glean from yesterdays court sessions if/when the items/motions requested by Baez would be provided to him? I'm anxious for another document dump! TIA

Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.
Crime scene photos. Granted - 10 days to produce.
Items from crime scene. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Investigation reports on all ZG's. Denied. State produces all they have.
DNA reports on GA,CA,LA. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Fingerprints of GA,CA, LA. Denied without prejudice. FBI or Sheriff has them.
Timeline caendar of LE with AL. Granted. 15 days to produce.
Hair for testing and all reports. Granted. 20 days to produce. No destructive testing.
Maps of LE searches. Granted. State has 10 days to look for them.
Release of 8/14 video visit of CA and GA. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Release of LE interviews with GA,CA,LA made after 7/16 and before 7/30. Granted.
Subpoena duces tecum to TES. No action taken.
Crime scene photos and reports from car. Granted. 30 days to produce.
Search warrant affidavits of 12/11 and 12/20. Granted. 10 days to produce.
Polygraph results.Deferred pending memos of law as to discoverability.

[Neffy]

Did they question him about her funeral at all? I didn't see the show. I guess they have to say they still support her but actions speak louder than words. they could have sat right behind her and had words with her, held her hand and they didn't.

I took advantage of our "vacation" and relistend to the FBI interviews.

Cindy is in complete denial to authoritys.

Meanwhile George seems to be more candid and speaking about their accident theory involving the pool.

I have to waffle back to George doing his reverse turn to publicly support Cindy's denial and doing it for Cindy only.

The accident theory and Casey being afraid to say what happened is as close to Cindy ever excepting Caylee's death. I believe this to be her current stance considering Brad Conways appearance at court and what he had to say.

[aubrey04]

When the judge asked her to raise her hand, it looked like she was ready to cry, then right after she was asked to state her name, her voice did not quiver and it sounded strong...not like she was ready to cry. So to me, it seems her facial expressions are not consistent to the way she is feeling.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

Good morning everyone. I completely agree. She kept looking like she was going to cry but then her face would straighten out. It almost seemed like she was trying to force out a tear or something, but couldn't muster it.

[Regina.Lampert]

I've always felt that the killing was planned and intentional, not an accident.

Why she chose to kill Caylee is my biggest question. She could have just left Caylee to her parents. Maybe she thought she would be more appealing as the mother of a missing tot than she would be as a mother who simply abandoned her child...

Hey Blondie!! I think it's as simple as she wanted a free lifestyle so she could go clubbing at night with her new lover. Hard to put ourselves in her shoes, because she is truly a monster, imo.

She doesn't even know how to fake true honest to God feelings of sadness for Caylee; as shown yesterday as she sat there listening to attorneys discuss her daughter's bones. Amazingly cold and callous in my opinion.

[callmetree]

Good morning - here's the link to the video of Baez talking with the media.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18441566/index.html

thanks ams. i don't like listening to him talk at all but had to watch this video:sleep:

[Neffy]

When the judge asked her to raise her hand, it looked like she was ready to cry, then right after she was asked to state her name, her voice did not quiver and it sounded strong...not like she was ready to cry. So to me, it seems her facial expressions are not consistent to the way she is feeling.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

ITA! I did not expect to hear her voice that strong by her outward appearance. That really surprised me.

[floridamom]

I don't think there is more crime in Fl, I think it is just easier to cover crimes here because of our Sunshine Laws.

[3Monkeys]

[QUOTE=shelbar53;12634151]Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.



Thank you greatly for this information!!!

Does this mean that once the defence obtains these items, they can be viewed by the public? IIRC, we usually see these after someone in the media requests them? (eta - except specific photos/autopsy, etc.)

Thanks again for the great summary!

[msgatorslayer]

I hate Dollar Weed! Poor little girl! didn't it say something about weeds growing in the skeleton?

:crying: YES!

Baez doesn't have a clue what he is in for in trying to defend PPOF. So many things are going to sink her.

I hate dollar weed too. And I'm guessing that is thrives in the area where the remains were found cause it is low lying and prone to being flooded.

[floridamom]

Yes, anyone can request them.

[aubrey04]

[QUOTE=shelbar53;12634151]Kronks unedited 911, etc., calls. Granted.


Thanks for listing them all out. I think Baez won things that were already a "given" to most defense teams in cases such as this. I bolded the part that I think might get interesting.. So I guess in a week or two - we can expect more interviews w/George & Cindy to be released..

jmo

[destiny1]

I am interested in the forensic evidence.

Does anyone remember when exactly the OCSD/FBI obtained fingerprints for the first time of the anthony family? was it before the body was found?

No more body-being-planted excuse as there was vegetation growing through the remains.

[shelbar53]

so it was my understanding from yesterdays court stuff, that fingerprints WERE found on the duct tape? Did I understand that correctly?

[callmetree]

Is there any cutoff date on which they have to either put the DP back or do they have to file a motion to do it and wait on a Judges decision?

i don't know if this is correct or not but i read on the boards that they had 45 days from the time they took it off the table to put it back on. i may be wrong so if another poster has the answer and i'm wrong just let me say know i'm sorry .:smile:

[kOOkie1]

When the judge asked her to raise her hand, it looked like she was ready to cry, then right after she was asked to state her name, her voice did not quiver and it sounded strong...not like she was ready to cry. So to me, it seems her facial expressions are not consistent to the way she is feeling.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

Yea she seemed to appear as if she was "too good" to be there to me. Like she has never had to face people that KNOW she is a lyer..I believe everyone always has bought her crap in the past cause she thinks she sounds intelligent enough to ramble her way out. I noticed when she raised her hand that it appeared to be shaky:biggrin: but maybe its cause it was in an awkward positioning. She sure has that "stone face" down pat..doesnt she?!!

[destiny1]

Thanks for listing them all out. I think Baez won things that were already a "given" to most defense teams in cases such as this. I bolded the part that I think might get interesting.. So I guess in a week or two - we can expect more interviews w/George & Cindy to be released..

jmo

I see what you bolded. It is strange that he asks for this because it is my understanding that as soon as it is available, it is available to the public under Sunshine.

And yes, he should have the interviews with the family.

We really want this trial to be by the book with all Is Ts Jots and Tittles in place.

[bchand]

I am interested in the forensic evidence.

Does anyone remember when exactly the OCSD/FBI obtained fingerprints for the first time of the anthony family? was it before the body was found?

No more body-being-planted excuse as there was vegetation growing through the remains.


IIRC it wasn't until after the body was found that they requested fingerprints from the Anthony family.

[Lavenia]

I am interested in the forensic evidence.

Does anyone remember when exactly the OCSD/FBI obtained fingerprints for the first time of the anthony family? was it before the body was found?

No more body-being-planted excuse as there was vegetation growing through the remains.

IIRC they got the elder A's FP's the day or day after Caylee's remains were found. Anyone?

ETA: I see bchand and I remember the same. Yay, our memory!

[callmetree]

I don't think there is more crime in Fl, I think it is just easier to cover crimes here because of our Sunshine Laws.

i know when i lived in jax my daughter got on the computer and did a crime search. there were alot of crimes but as i told her, duvall county is VERY large so of course you are going to have more crimes than in arkansas. and i agree with you about the sunshine law.

[bchand]

Thanks for listing them all out. I think Baez won things that were already a "given" to most defense teams in cases such as this. I bolded the part that I think might get interesting.. So I guess in a week or two - we can expect more interviews w/George & Cindy to be released..

jmo

I'm looking forward to that 8/14 visit with G & C too. He alluded to the fact there MAY be police misconduct? In Jose's eyes, that may just mean they treated her just like any other inmate.

[esmile]

This statement from Mr. Casey
http://www.wesh.com/news/18441645/detail.html

The interesting part about this statement from Mr. Casey is that he doesn't mention what he was doing searching for the body repeatedly in the same area. He defends himself by saying 'if I had stumbled across something I would have told someone'... but the bigger question is who gave him those specific instructions to look there as Mr. Hoover has revealed to police. Who was telling him to look there repeatedly.

With Casa de Anthony so quiet it's very curious.

[Motomom]

Also another thing I felt was odd was when he said "anybody could just walk up to me and rob my briefcase, there's nothing I can do about it." Was he just setting the stage for something in the future or inviting someone to do that or what since at that point he just told the nation that the pictures worth a half million dollars are in his briefcase. Very odd thing to say.

Anyway those were the things I read between the lines IMHO he was implying. Just my thoughts I'm throwing out there.

That was interesting and it was damage control before hand. He knows that if HE sets up a server and those pictures get out, it's coming back to him IMO. I do believe he has the right to all that he has requested, with the exception of some things, some things he should get on his own. Those pictures will be leaked IMO..whether it be for money or not. I don't know what else a judge can do though for that not to happen. It would be interesting if a gag order was asked for again, and supported by the Anthony's. Would be very telling I think.

[shelbar53]

Yep it sounds like an invitation for someone {perhaps a close personal of his} to steal his briefcase with all the info. Hes gonna get "his" money one way or another. So, IF his briefcase gets stolen then I will have no doubt that hes in on it.

[Lavenia]

The pics are going to get out one way or another.

I wish they had court proceedings that were actually kept quiet, like the FBI wiretapping, and stuff like that, Florida is so exposed I wonder how much good that does anyone.

jmo:wink:

I thought the same thing. Certainly they have en camera proceedings in Florida? That's all they needed IMO.

[callmetree]

Good morning everyone

Thanks for posting link. Very interesting indeed.
I always believed there had to be more info and withheld because it may be very incriminating. There are some people on the Casey who's who list we have not seen interview transcripts for yet. Could one of them hold the key?
Who's Who (http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/whos-who/)

thanks for the who's who list ellegna. i still get some of the players confused . espically the tony's.:smile:

[Neffy]

I am one of the lucky ones .... as you can see by my name ... I am a fulltime Mother and Wife. My kids are in JR High now so I actually have time to read message boards. Maybe i will go back to law school when i send them off to college. Don't know if i could afford it though, 3 tuitions at once might bankrupt us.

Tx for your reply.

Your perspective will be just as welcome and carry the same weight as all others that have been posting regarding this case. :)

[Elle]

respectfully snipped.

Morning January
Good post.
Regarding Casey being forced to appear yesterday, I was under the impression it was because Baez did not follow proper procedure with his handling of the waiver. I could easily be mistaken, would not be the first time!

[JHP]

:crying: YES!

Baez doesn't have a clue what he is in for in trying to defend PPOF. So many things are going to sink her.

I hate dollar weed too. And I'm guessing that is thrives in the area where the remains were found cause it is low lying and prone to being flooded.

I bet you're right, Disneyworld even has dollar weed. I was just there over the holidays.

Poor Caylee:angry:

[bballgrl]

Anyone posting on the Helpful Hints Forum last nite after this forum was closed is going to be denied access -

That was rude, disrespectful and off topic for that forum.

Don't write to me how long as I won't answer.

You acted childish on original thread with the gossip about weight, clothes etc and continued by sneaking to a different forum.

Grow up and post like adults.

It would be extremely convenient to close forum till Trial but that would be punishing the posters who are interested but if the others continue it will be an option.


Thank you CW... We certainly appreciate that! I for one will be very careful what I post... Thanks for the warnings!

[NikkiG77058]

Hey Blondie!! I think it's as simple as she wanted a free lifestyle so she could go clubbing at night with her new lover. Hard to put ourselves in her shoes, because she is truly a monster, imo.

She doesn't even know how to fake true honest to God feelings of sadness for Caylee; as shown yesterday as she sat there listening to attorneys discuss her daughter's bones. Amazingly cold and callous in my opinion.

You hit the nail on the head, Scamp!! It sickens me to think there is a possibility she will waive her right to be present during the trial but I'm not sure which would be worse: A. The jury seeing her for the cold and callous person she is or B. The jury drawing their own conclusions about why she isn't there.

I'm also curious about why the A's didn't show up. I realize no one knew she was going to court, but on NG it was mentioned that they could have made it just to be there with her. I wonder if this is the beginning of the tide change. IMO

[destiny1]

thanks bchand and Lavenia. I am keeping a Powerpoint time line and it is four people deep pluse any LE revelations. It is a mess so I wont try to youtube it. :lol:

I was wondering because on the day of the car incident it seems that with the presence of a decomp smell that LE would have gone ahead and checked the car for any prints that would be superimposed on any surface over or in any stains. That they would have checked for prints and wanted family prints for ruling out.

Gee, did that make sense?

[Regina.Lampert]

I never trust slick lawyers and imo baez is among the slickest I have seen in a very long time.

He has no appellate issue in Judge Strickland forcing casey anthony to come to court and waive her presence. baez made another blunder by not getting her waiving the right in writing. The law is very clear on this.

It is not out of the realm of possibilities that baez has set up a series of failsafe connections, that cannot be traced back to him or this defense, to sell those images, imo, and profit off the murder of Caylee.
I wouldn't put that past him or his odious client for a New York minute.

IMO, we will see those images one way or the other, outside of the courtroom. Unfortunately.

[playnice]

I am interested in the forensic evidence.

Does anyone remember when exactly the OCSD/FBI obtained fingerprints for the first time of the anthony family? was it before the body was found?

No more body-being-planted excuse as there was vegetation growing through the remains.

Exactly. There goes that defense the body was moved. If there are any fingerprints and even chor detected just the better. I think she will go down because there is so much circumstantial evidence that adding the forensic is just frosting on the cake.

Casey scares me. Watching her yesterday in court was very disturbing for me.
She shows no emotion over Cayless remains. I thought she looked like she had just worke up from a nap and was completely bored having to be there.

If I were Baez I would resign from this case and let Linda B take it over.
Casey shows very much a fatal attraction persona. She needa a female attorney.
She is lethal. If there is nothing going on between them its even more scary. She could be sitting him up so she has an appeal when she goes down.

I think in her mind she thinks he is her boyfriend or she has always been that way to attract men.

She is very dangerous I think. I think she can turn on you in the blink of an eye. This could be a set up in public to later make a false claim against Baez.

I also wonder if she is punishing G&C by not adding them to a visitor list and that is the real reason they arent visiting. I wouldnt let cameras stop me from visiting. Simple. Just dont discuss the case but you can still visit and see if she is ok and tell her you love her. I think its got something to do with G testifying. She is still showing them she is in control by letting Baez deal with Caylees remains.

I really do think this girl is extremely mentally ill in a very disturbing criminal way.

jmo

[MGM111]

Another article verifying that sources within LE have confirmed the duct tape on Caylee mouth, imo. If that is true, I want the death penalty back on the table.

A trial with the death penalty requires a DP certified jury, that is people who state they can and will impose the DP if the evidence warrants it.

Even then, a second part of trial will determine if it is actually imposed, after there is a conviction.

I want the State's Attorney to put it back on the table, pronto, because in my opinion she deserves it for this horrible crime against Caylee Marie.

Good Morning :seeya:
I agree and do hope that the DP is reintroduced however im a bit concerned now that PPOF has sat in the court room and seen first hand what is happening around her.
Im begining to think that we may not see a trial...she may simply take the Alford route

[esmile]

The odd thing he said was "this is her moment". I thought that was outu of place.

Good observation. Reminds me of yesterday when he said he was 'grandly offended'. C'mon, we're supposed to trust a defense attorney who's already profited by selling photos/videos of Caylee? He's nuts.

But you made me realize what bugs me most about Jose, he is consistently inappropriate. So much so that to listen to him is uncomfortable and sometimes shocking. And I think the reason Casey and him smile so much at one another is because they speak the same conniving language.

[islandgirl36542]

I think the thread is ok. The board was unlocked.

Today Show had a segment on Casey. They said she did not want to leave her cell to go to court. They said she refused at first.

The Anthony's attorney was on too. He said they do not want to visit Casey because of the taping. They want to see her in private.

He also said they are working on the funeral arrangements but nothing yet.

JMO until the video comes up.

refusal to go to court~imo the Judge should give her 1 chance 1 chance Only~then hogtie her & drag her into court, I wouldnt put up with none of her crud! imo this spiteful ***** & her attorney are going to use every itsy, bitsy teny tiny trick there is to disrupt court & planning each little move they make to use for appeals. UGH!!!

Poor Caylee~God Bless her May she one day Rest In Peace.

[aubrey04]

I'm looking forward to that 8/14 visit with G & C too. He alluded to the fact there MAY be police misconduct? In Jose's eyes, that may just mean they treated her just like any other inmate.

I am sure he will try whatever he can. If the weed growth, etc is true.. Casey is sunk. They won't be able to say the body was moved, which is exactly what I think they were going for.

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everybody. Seems like I missed a lot yesterday. Thanks for all of the links, I've got to go read.

So Baez is the reason for the hold up on Caylee's funeral? He just makes me sick.

:sad:

[floridamom]

[QUOTE=January;12634202]One other thing I wanted to throw out there that has been gnawing at me for weeks now. In that one FBI tape of George being interviewed by LE. When he is being shown some pictures and then talking about the smell in the car and then the next thing you hear is the cop saying that George is out back being sick. George has been in homicide so the recall of the smell of death would not make a cop sick like that. snipped for space.

Ask any cop, any Med Ex. they will tell that crimes against children are harder than any others, crimes against children you know are almost impossible...can you imagine a crime against a child that you know that is also your grand daughter?

Very Sad

[shelbar53]

refusal to go to court~imo the Judge should give her 1 chance 1 chance Only~then hogtie her & drag her into court, I wouldnt put up with none of her crud! imo this spiteful ***** & her attorney are going to use every itsy, bitsy teny tiny trick there is to disrupt court & planning each little move they make to use for appeals. UGH!!!

Poor Caylee~God Bless her May she one day Rest In Peace.

does it seem the judges in this case do not like baez and its startng to become apparent?

[esmile]

What did you all think of the former judge on NG that commenting that the Anthony's not being there for the victim, Caylee was unusual. She said that the victims family IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER at every court appearance in a case like this. Ashley Banfield's opinion surprised me, she said it wasn't any big deal...but I think it's a HUGE deal. No one is representing Caylee other than the state of FL. Her own mother having to be dragged in to the court room fighting to have the photos released instead of to have them repressed. Upside down, backwards and WRONG. :cursing:

[NikkiG77058]

Good Morning :seeya:
I agree and do hope that the DP is reintroduced however im a bit concerned now that PPOF has sat in the court room and seen first hand what is happening around her.
Im begining to think that we may not see a trial...she may simply take the Alford route

I wouldn't count on that - she is a coward and IMO, she will never admit what she did to Caylee. She will lie and take the truth to her coffin.

What concerns me is her waiving her right to be present during trial.

[nc1948]

I guess they will never visit her then because as long as she is incarcerated the visits will be taped. Even in Prison.

jmo

I don't understand them not visiting. Remember in first bond hearing where she had been in jail I think 5 days and Cindy cried. When asked if she was okay, she said she was crying because she had not seen Casey in 5 days. (Yet she had not seen Caylee in over 40 at that time)
They definitely are not showing that they believe and support Casey.

All jail visits for all inmates are recorded and yet so many inmates have visitors. They also have not had their day in court and have charges pending but find a way to see family and friends. You just say Hi , How are you, how are the kids, do you need me to do anything, and on and o. You just chatter. TO ME, it is telling that the Anthonys have not visited her since she was last arrested. Especially when they found and then identified the body.

[marshmallow]

Morning January
Good post.
Regarding Casey being forced to appear yesterday, I was under the impression it was because Baez did not follow proper procedure with his handling of the waiver. I could easily be mistaken, would not be the first time!



that was my take also. Baez didn't follow correct procedure and the Judge was eliminating appeal fodder down thel ine by having her correctly waive her appearances. I don't this would be grounds for a successful appeal, more like elimination of ground for appeal.

My son and I watched a bit of NG, by accident, and he wonders if Baez isn't deliberately doing things wrong to allow for an appeal(s) because he knows Casey will probably be found guilty.

[5boxersmom]

I would like to know if Baez had her waive her right to be there with the other hearings? Did he mess up yesterday or did the Judge let him get away with it before?

[callmetree]

Exactly. There goes that defense the body was moved. If there are any fingerprints and even chor detected just the better. I think she will go down because there is so much circumstantial evidence that adding the forensic is just frosting on the cake.

Casey scares me. Watching her yesterday in court was very disturbing for me.
She shows no emotion over Cayless remains. I thought she looked like she had just worke up from a nap and was completely bored having to be there.

If I were Baez I would resign from this case and let Linda B take it over.
Casey shows very much a fatal attraction persona. She needa a female attorney.
She is lethal. If there is nothing going on between them its even more scary. She could be sitting him up so she has an appeal when she goes down.

I think in her mind she thinks he is her boyfriend or she has always been that way to attract men.

She is very dangerous I think. I think she can turn on you in the blink of an eye. This could be a set up in public to later make a false claim against Baez.

I also wonder if she is punishing G&C by not adding them to a visitor list and that is the real reason they arent visiting. I wouldnt let cameras stop me from visiting. Simple. Just dont discuss the case but you can still visit and see if she is ok and tell her you love her. I think its got something to do with G testifying. She is still showing them she is in control by letting Baez deal with Caylees remains.

I really do think this girl is extremely mentally ill in a very disturbing criminal way.

jmo

i was going to ask the question if they actually showed the autospy pictures yesterday and casey saw them. your post answered that for me. a very good post by the way. she is also scary to me as to how she could just sit there and show no emotion to this. i have 2 daughters and 3 grandchildren and i know i couldn't watch this without breaking down. she makes me more thankful everyday that my family is with me and they are good people.:sad:

[sofiesmom]

Morning Barbara,

I agree for the most part, and believe that ZFG will not gain anything monetarily, but casey perpetuated her being brought in and during that time, it was revealed in one way or the other to the press/media and subsequently the public and subsequently her employer.Last night, I heard a TH say that if that $500,000 deal goes through (pre-conviction, of course), then ZFG could go after that money. But if Casey et al were to pull an OJ and hide or redistribute assets, it would be diffficult.

[AMS]

I never trust slick lawyers and imo baez is among the slickest I have seen in a very long time.

He has no appellate issue in Judge Strickland forcing casey anthony to come to court and waive her presence. baez made another blunder by not getting her waiving the right in writing. The law is very clear on this.

It is not out of the realm of possibilities that baez has set up a series of failsafe connections, that cannot be traced back to him or this defense, to sell those images, imo, and profit off the murder of Caylee.
I wouldn't put that past him or his odious client for a New York minute.

IMO, we will see those images one way or the other, outside of the courtroom. Unfortunately.


I agreee with you 100%. I also hope Strickland really looks into the true security of his server. THs on one of the shows last night were describing what is needed for his server to be truly secure. IMO, no way Baez will invest in what is needed.

As Baez said yesterday in court...it is a "grand insult" to him when people talk about him selling the photos.

IMO.

[esmile]

does it seem the judges in this case do not like baez and its startng to become apparent?

I think so too. Jose is GOOFY. He's like a great pretender, he's trying to mimic other famous attorney's he's seen, but he fails at every turn in his delivery. IMO

[floridamom]

I would like to know if Baez had her waive her right to be there with the other hearings? Did he mess up yesterday or did the Judge let him get away with it before?

The judge said he had been lax in this regard and once the prosecution joined in he decided to make sure there was no reversable err and order her to appear.

[aubrey04]

I would like to know if Baez had her waive her right to be there with the other hearings? Did he mess up yesterday or did the Judge let him get away with it before?

The judge said that he had been letting them "slide" before. The prosecution REALLY put their foot down yesterday. In fact, they didn't even want to start the hearing until Casey got there, but the judge decided not to waste time and go ahead and start while Casey made here way there.

So basically Baez messed up.

[esmile]

I agreee with you 100%. I also hope Strickland really looks into the true security of his server. THs on one of the shows last night were describing what is needed for his server to be truly secure. IMO, no way Baez will invest in what is needed.

As Baez said yesterday in court...it is a "grand insult" to him when people talk about him selling the photos.

IMO.

Yes, and did you hear the part after that where the judge said 'well I didn't say that', Jose tried to back out of the comment and completely contradicted himself. I could barely understand what he said. I'd like to find that transcription...

[Elle]

respectfully snipped

YES, YES, YES
I agree, a very big deal, and very wrong on so many levels.

[Motomom]

If the defense has evidence, even if it is a grain of sand, they are the ones that have to provide that to the defense. The defense should not be made to get some things on his own.That's just not the way it works. If the defense wants to put an expert up there, then that's his job to do that and get whatever he needs for that, but if it is in the hands of Law Enforcement or the State, he is entitled. Remember, no surprises.

I can't see a gag order at this stage of the game but with this case, you never know. I wonder what the new Judge is going to be like when they move venue.

So a defense lawyer can wait until the Prosecution does all the work? I don't know much about that. I know he's entitled to it.. but like the information he wants from Tes.. didn't sound like the prosecution even had that.

[5boxersmom]

One other thing I wanted to throw out there that has been gnawing at me for weeks now. In that one FBI tape of George being interviewed by LE. When he is being shown some pictures and then talking about the smell in the car and then the next thing you hear is the cop saying that George is out back being sick. George has been in homicide so the recall of the smell of death would not make a cop sick like that. I have to wonder what he could have seen in those photos that made him react like that. And I highly doubt it was pictures of Casey acting wild. I think there was a photo somewhere on Casey's harddrive relating to a deceased Caylee. Remember this was around the time that he was asking the police that if they found out something definitive about Caylee, that they let him break it to his wife, and not too long after this, both George and Cindy did a complete turn-around insisting Caylee was being sighted across the country and at around the same time the police had made the announcement on television that they were no longer pursuing leads, they had "sufficient evidence" Caylee was no longer alive.

Any thoughts ? Theories?

Well, it was his granddaughter. Or it could have been some nasty photos. Who knows? :shrug: It would hard to see your daughter in compromising pictures aslo.

jmo

[Duckaroo]

What did you all think of the former judge on NG that commenting that the Anthony's not being there for the victim, Caylee was unusual. She said that the victims family IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER at every court appearance in a case like this. Ashley Banfield's opinion surprised me, she said it wasn't any big deal...but I think it's a HUGE deal. No one is representing Caylee other than the state of FL. Her own mother having to be dragged in to the court room fighting to have the photos released instead of to have them repressed. Upside down, backwards and WRONG. :cursing:
This is one thing that bothers me whenever I think of it..with KC being both the accused and the mom of the victim in this case and her family, which it appears are still supporting her innocence..it doesn't seem that there will be any family member, anyone that this baby loved ..who will be there for her. Unless maybe other family members show up that aren't backing KC..but it still won't be those Caylee was closest to.

[callmetree]

What did you all think of the former judge on NG that commenting that the Anthony's not being there for the victim, Caylee was unusual. She said that the victims family IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER at every court appearance in a case like this. Ashley Banfield's opinion surprised me, she said it wasn't any big deal...but I think it's a HUGE deal. No one is representing Caylee other than the state of FL. Her own mother having to be dragged in to the court room fighting to have the photos released instead of to have them repressed. Upside down, backwards and WRONG. :cursing:

i agrred with the first opinion. if it were my daughter i would have to be there if nothing else but to see she was okay. i still don't understand them not visiting her at all. is george still putting money in her account?:confused:

[BJames]

I tried to post this the other day..

I am wondering if the PI's were 'tipped off'?
There would be a difference between the meter reader 'finding' the remains as he has said he 'saw' the bag(s) there before...so he would know where to go look again. He would be somewhat familiar with the area, and maybe noted 'land marks'?
However...the PI would have a much harder time trying to 'find' the remains, he may have been very close...but there was a lot of foliage around them at the time he was looking. He would have been (maybe) going by 'tips' from someone, without a 'map' it would be very difficult to have found those remains. Actually even with a map it would be difficult if he wasn't familiar with the area...he could have been standing right next to them and never know.
That PI had to have had some reason to return to that close proximity more than once...it is/was a fairly large wooded area, the chances of him just 'happening' on to it (especially more than once?) are pretty slim.
But I believe the meter reader would have been able to find it again...no problem.
Could Casey have told another Anthony that maybe she thought ZFG (!!) might have done something to Caylee in that same location? That she might have at some point taken ZFG there to show her something?
Hoping that if the body was found there it might look better for her to have had someone find it...rather than LE? It would give her a chance to form an 'excuse' as to why the remains were actually there...?
Just my opinion of course..

[NikkiG77058]

It sure looks like I've been wrong about a lot of things in this case however I don't think the DP will be put back on the table. lenny is staying with his theory that is was a accident and she was trying to make it look like a 911 incident but changed her mind. If the duct tape was applied after Caylee passed lenny could be right.

JMO

I don't know, Mr. Lucky - I seriously doubt CA will ever admit to killing Caylee. If she doesn't, how can the defense argue the tape was place AFTER Caylee was dead? It's going to be a powerful moment, when the duct tape is introduced to the jury because IMO, IF there was any chance of this being an accident, it went out the window when the tape was found on that baby's skull.

I think the DP is an appropriate punishment for this crime. IMO

[5boxersmom]

Thanks for the answer about the waiver. I got here late yesterday and missed that.

So Baez should have known all along he needed that. Right?

[esmile]

OMG did you say a mouthful. I agree! And you are right, he is inappropriate much of the time, either in his body language with his "hands on" approach with his client, or his words.

oh yeah...


Jose Baez Repeatedly Told To Stop Touching Casey During Jail Visits
WFTV.com News Friday, October 31, 2008 – updated: 8:43 am EDT October 31, 2008

In the past two weeks Casey Anthony’s attorney Jose Baez has visited her at the jail, seven out of 14 days.

Eyewitness News has discovered that on at least two occasions jail staff had to step in and Baez was warned repeatedly about hugging Casey during their visits.

A jail report states: “The inmate’s attorney was observed hugging inmate and was advised that physical contact was prohibited.”

Then a week later another report stated: “Baez again observed hugging his client.”

The room Baez and Anthony meet in is very small and typically there is a desk and two chairs.

Sources told Eyewitness News that on one occasion, Anthony was sitting and Baez was very close to her face. A corrections officer had to go into the room to separate them.

Eyewitness News confronted Jose Baez about the situation.

“I have no comment,” he said.

Eyewitness news’ legal analyst Bill Schaeffer said it’s unusual that an attorney would ever touch a client.

“The more experience you are in handling these type of clients or situation, the less likely you are to place yourself in a situation that could be regarded as a compromising situation,” said Schaeffer.

When Casey was out on bond, there were several times that she would spend six hours a day at Baez’s office including Saturdays. There’s nothing criminal about having a relationship with a client, but Schaeffer said there are ethical issues.

“The appellate court could find that relationship overstepped the bounds of attorney client relationship and affected that performance and order a new trial,” he said.

There was no evidence that Baez and Casey were actually having a relationship.

The reason touching isn’t allowed at the jail is because contraband items could be passed. Baez told jail officials that he didn’t know the rules, and wouldn’t do it again.

[destiny1]

It sure looks like I've been wrong about a lot of things in this case however I don't think the DP will be put back on the table. lenny is staying with his theory that is was a accident and she was trying to make it look like a 911 incident but changed her mind. If the duct tape was applied after Caylee passed lenny could be right.

JMO

I wonder if this can be determined. The duct tape if in fact over the mouth, which seems to be the prevailing story today, would suggest trying to quiet the child , and IMO that would be common sense that duct tape over mouth/nose, would suffocate or smother the child. There is just no way I can see anything but premeditation because of that.

On the other hand If there was some kind of accident and I dont consider anything negligent as accidental and called say Lee as an example, as an accomplice to the disposal of the body and if that accomplice staged the duct tape after the fact to look like the kidnappers killed her, then I would think that there was a possibility of accident, though based on her attitudes, not probable.

Either way I don't see the DP back on the table at this point.

Wouldn't they possibly have to bring in other prosecutors if they do put it back?

[esmile]

I tried to post this the other day..
I am wondering if the PI's were 'tipped off'?


I think the timing of Lee disappearing from this entire situation (they said he had to work or something like that) was because he tipped them off and the parents discovered it and sent him out of town to protect him. Unfortunately they too probably gained information at that same time and so now all of them are guilty looking for immunity. As a former police officer George did not listen to his inner voice that is for sure. He would have known that eventually this would all be found out. Lee is as bold as his sister though, so I think he is the one who acted first.

[destiny1]

Ah, yes, botany. JMO, it will show that summer weeds and plants were flattened and water logged underneath the remains. With winter weeds starting to thrive over, around, and through, the remains after the water receeded in the past couple of weeks. I'm going for Dollar Weed!!
I was there for a few months and that stuff takes over everything. There is also a vine that grows unchecked down there that Ive seen grow through concrete cracks.

It can happen within a week! Very fast-growing! So does this necessarily date the placement of the body?

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought this little exchange was interesting, from Nancy Grace last evening:

PADILLA: Cindy was always rather in a concerned mode. I think sometimes Cindy was concerned that things would get out of hand, in other words, something would happen that she didn`t know about and she`d get upset because somebody hadn`t brought it to her attention or somebody hadn`t checked with her and things of that nature.

I think one of the things that has entered lately and there`s a lot of gossip and rumor about it. I know that it should be brought up here. There was a Lifetime offer that has kind of been put on hold right now. Unless the Anthonys are able to get some kind of immunity, I don`t think Lifetime wants to go through with their deal.

GRACE: Of course, Lifetime is denying that.

PADILLA: Correct.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/08/ng.01.html

This sounds like the anthonys, still concerned about money and that is the reason they want full immunity, imo. The other night iirc, Padilla put an amount of 1.5 million on the Lifetime deal.

The more I hear from Conway about mommy and daddy "still supporting" the murderer, the more I think they are going to back all her lies at trial. IMO.

[JHP]

I'm pleased The Anthony's weren't in court. There's NOTHING they can do for Caylee, she's gone. Most likely, they felt their presence would look like support for Casey.

Their attorney said this morning they are supporting Casey.
I'm surprised they only have 1 lawyer.

JMO

[Katt2]

What did you all think of the former judge on NG that commenting that the Anthony's not being there for the victim, Caylee was unusual. She said that the victims family IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER at every court appearance in a case like this. Ashley Banfield's opinion surprised me, she said it wasn't any big deal...but I think it's a HUGE deal. No one is representing Caylee other than the state of FL. Her own mother having to be dragged in to the court room fighting to have the photos released instead of to have them repressed. Upside down, backwards and WRONG. :cursing:

I understand the position of representing the victim but I can honestly say if it were my little grandchild and given the nature of the motion discussing the skeletal remains, I do believe that I would not attend and have my lawyer present to protect her rights and dignity.

[AMS]

What did you all think of the former judge on NG that commenting that the Anthony's not being there for the victim, Caylee was unusual. She said that the victims family IS ALWAYS FRONT AND CENTER at every court appearance in a case like this. Ashley Banfield's opinion surprised me, she said it wasn't any big deal...but I think it's a HUGE deal. No one is representing Caylee other than the state of FL. Her own mother having to be dragged in to the court room fighting to have the photos released instead of to have them repressed. Upside down, backwards and WRONG. :cursing:

When NG was opening her show she said "And highly unusual, the victim, little Caylee -- her family is a no- show in court. George, Cindy and Lee Anthony all decide not to come to court as the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee."

When she said "the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee", I got a lump in my throat.

One of the lawers on NG said that it was understandable that the family ws not there because of all of the media , blah, blah, blah.

Personally, I think they should have been there in support of Caylee.

IMO.

[Elle]

respectfully snipped

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I too wonder about Baez. I keep thinking that he will removed from this case ( can the pros. request it? Or request that he not be lead council?) As much as I love that he does not seem competent to handle a case of this magnitude, I worry that somewhere down the road it will lead to an appeal. I go back and forth wondering if he is just in way over his head and arrogance is keeping him from doing the right thing, or if all these blunders are a tactic, where he is attempting to be clever. IDK, never seen anything like it.

imo

[Neffy]

Thank you for pointing that out, Shelbar. It is apparent in what happened in Court yesterday and the appeal is going to be strong. I was just saying that above! Good observation.

"That being said, it's not at all about "case law" when a judge forces a defendant to attend a hearing or even the trial if she doesn't want to be there. It's about the Rules of Court Procedure, and again, as I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law but in my neck of the woods, the defendant has every right not to attend these motions hearings OR even the trial if they so choose. And being forced to do so can be used in the Appeal. JMHO. "

:confused:

Because the court of procedure was adherred to this is a strong argument for appeal?

I don't think so.

The judge had explained that he was lax - wasn't breaking away from procedure and IMO was explaining his past indiscretions.

He will no longer be lax in this area.

I would have to agree they can appeal. They can appeal anything they want for that matter.

It won't float and I disagree with the strength of being a strong argument.

[nc1948]

Another article verifying that sources within LE have confirmed the duct tape on Caylee mouth, imo. If that is true, I want the death penalty back on the table.

A trial with the death penalty requires a DP certified jury, that is people who state they can and will impose the DP if the evidence warrants it.

Even then, a second part of trial will determine if it is actually imposed, after there is a conviction.

I want the State's Attorney to put it back on the table, pronto, because in my opinion she deserves it for this horrible crime against Caylee Marie.

I agree, plus I think this would be the only way Casey would ever confess. To save her own behind. She cares for no one but herself.

[destiny1]

does it seem the judges in this case do not like baez and its startng to become apparent?


I don't think that they dislike Baez per se, but I do believe that they and the SAs are getting impatient with both his demeanor and the way he handles himself in the courtroom.

I didn't notice anybody else grinning and acting as he did. also, it seems that he loves to hear himself speak and doesn't get to the point. Those courts are overloaded and time constrained.

[5boxersmom]

I don't think it is so much the Judge doesn't like Baez as I think he thinks Baez should know some of this stuff before coming in to his courtroom.

jmo

[ellegna]

It sure looks like I've been wrong about a lot of things in this case however I don't think the DP will be put back on the table. lenny is staying with his theory that is was a accident and she was trying to make it look like a 911 incident but changed her mind. If the duct tape was applied after Caylee passed lenny could be right.

JMO

Personally I prefer LWOP. In this particular case, I would like to see the prosecution put it back on the table as a bargaining tool.
I would like to see Casey given the option if she confesses the DP will be removed OR leave it up to the jury decide her fate.

[daHawg]

You know what got me was when Jose was saying about being "Grandly offended" and then went on to say he had "her life in his hands" that was the only time that the OC got any kind of emotion on her face she started to puddle up then. It was the same reaction on their joint press conference the day of her arrest on Grand Jury day when he said she "was someones daughter" and that was when she started with the fake tears. :thumbdown:

[Elle]

Thank you for pointing that out, Shelbar. It is apparent in what happened in Court yesterday and the appeal is going to be strong. I was just saying that above! Good observation.

Hi
I am not understanding why you say the appeal is going to be strong. Baez did not follow procedure. (I am not trying to be adversarial, just not understanding:smile:)

imo


edited to say sorry, I see you addressed me above, I still disagree and think that it will not be grounds for an appeal, but understand where you are coming from. Thanks for explaining!

[CANDYKISSES]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-


Regina, if this is all true, THEN I AM JUST barf totally sickened. I have held onto a belief that Casey made a tragic mistake in an accidental ILLEGAL overdose or that the pool accident could have created some of the gases found in the trunk.

AGAIN, IF THIS IS TRUE, then I am equally disturbed about George and Cindy.

I know the Kobe Bryant case is not of the same type, but even when the accuser couldn't deal with court, NOW SENT REPS to stand on her behalf.

WHY IS NOBODY STANDING IN AND UP FOR CAYLEE????

I am totally perplexed by that. Where are the child advocates in Florida and why aren't they sitting in as a reminder of a CHILD VICTIM WHO WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR HERSELF??? :crying:

I am appalled to say the least.

[esmile]

That's what makes this case so sad. No one has yet to stand up for Caylee except LE. I have seen LE shed tears over this precious little girl and yet none of her family will.

It's very telling to me that the family didn't step up for the granddaughter. All their blathering about the family being a STAR and Caylee being the pinky finger and how they numbered her as a first priority on the jail house tapes. The interview that George had where he stated 'my granddaughter comes first'. Lies.

Well HERE SHE IS and they can't come and stand up for her? A child now who is dead and has no voice and they can't understand their place in representing her?

Actions speak louder than words.

Now the infiltration on the memorials makes sense. The lies make sense... Caylee does not come first, or last to them.

[shelbar53]

Thank you for pointing that out, Shelbar. It is apparent in what happened in Court yesterday and the appeal is going to be strong. I was just saying that above! Good observation.

I want to clarify my point about the judges not liking baez. I dont think it has anything to do with "who" he defending but like they have no respect for him. They are seeing him as arrogant, insulting, inexperienced, condensending and disrespectful.

I heard many posters say when you address the judge, one must stand, baez doesn't and when one asks the jusdge something, wait until he answers, baez doesn't. An example is when they brought casey into the court, baez asked the judge if he could visit with his client in private for 5 minutes, but then didnt wait for an answer, got up and went to the back of the court room.

[ishkabibble]

Brad Conway the Anthony's attorney was on the TODAY show this morning. I was very saddened when he was questioned about why they weren't in the courtroom? The response was something along the lines of they want to see her without cameras etc. etc. They still support their daughter. All I could think of was How about Caylee? What about her?

Very Sad IMO

I think what they may have to say to her won't be able to be broadcast, just a bunch of bleeps.

[Neffy]

As I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law, but when Baez during his press conference said that he did notify the Court that Casey would be exercising her right not to appear, and then this Judge decided to just disregard that, it certainly does give a very strong argument at appeal. It violated her rights. Get it?

If you feel otherwise, however, don't let me try to dissuade you from your opinion. You are entitled. And we will wait for the appeal.

LOL Then Baez should have said it to the judge up close and personal where it counted.

Not to the media.

My money's on the Judge's ruling being correct and an unappealable issue.

[marshmallow]

That being said, it's not at all about "case law" when a judge forces a defendant to attend a hearing or even the trial if she doesn't want to be there. It's about the Rules of Court Procedure, and again, as I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law but in my neck of the woods, the defendant has every right not to attend these motions hearings OR even the trial if they so choose. And being forced to do so can be used in the Appeal. JMHO.



if her lawyer had followed correct procedure and had the waiver in writing then the Judge would have accepted it and left it at that. I don't think any appeals court will say the court erred.

[nc1948]

Morning January
Good post.
Regarding Casey being forced to appear yesterday, I was under the impression it was because Baez did not follow proper procedure with his handling of the waiver. I could easily be mistaken, would not be the first time!

That is exactly the way I heard it. She had to sign off on her rights not to be in court and Baez said she had given her verbal permission. To me it was either Baez working on an appeal or just normal not knowing what he is doing. Honestly with the other mistakes Baez has made, I am not sure he could think ahead to making mistakes to justify an appeal.

[Barbara fl.]

When NG was opening her show she said "And highly unusual, the victim, little Caylee -- her family is a no- show in court. George, Cindy and Lee Anthony all decide not to come to court as the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee."

When she said "the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee", I got a lump in my throat.

One of the lawers on NG said that it was understandable that the family ws not there because of all of the media , blah, blah, blah.

Personally, I think they should have been there in support of Caylee.

IMO.


But supporting Caylee would mean not supporting Casey...and they are just not going to do that...no matter what.....I'm sure they have their reasons for not visiting Casey or talking to Casey or coming to court.....but it is not that they are going against Casey....My thoughts are that the Anthony's are going to continue with the "Zenaida" lies as well as Casey and the defense team.....Unless of course the state had already shown the defense something that has not been publicized that will prove Casey did it. If that be the case, then I predict that Linda Baden will back off of this case in a heart beat.....

What I find odd is that there has been no mention of Casey being innocent of the charges made publically by the defense...usually that always happenes in high profile cases...they constantly try to reach that potential juror.....ever since the body has been found everyone has become hush,hush.....Leads me to believe that the state has some real evidence that can put the DP back on the table....JMO

[Duckaroo]

Even if they could use the fact that they forced her to appear in an appeal, I don't see how that would make for a strong argument, I'm not sure of the laws and what-not, as far as if it was wrong for them to force her but..as far as her being there or being made to come there, I don't know what type of argument that would be as far as how it had any negative impact on the outcome of her defense itself? If anything I would think that would cover some complaints that could possibly be used in an appeal, like things she wasn't aware of or her attorney didn't go over with her that were discussed at hearings?

[destiny1]

Hi
I am not understanding why you say the appeal is going to be strong. Baez did not follow procedure. (I am not trying to be adversarial, just not understanding:smile:)

imo


edited to say sorry, I see you addressed me above, I still disagree and think that it will not be grounds for an appeal, but understand where you are coming from. Thanks for explaining!


Hi

This wasnt asked of me but If either the defense attorney or the prosecution or the Judiciary does not follow procedure it is grounds for appeal. Ineffective counsel among other things.

[Pooh]

I'm with you on this Candy! I'm hoping someone will be there for Caylee during the trial.

I am too! Only the State of Florida is standing up for Caylee. That's just wrong.

[marshmallow]

Thank you for pointing that out, Shelbar. It is apparent in what happened in Court yesterday and the appeal is going to be strong. I was just saying that above! Good observation.

I disagree, it is clear to me (and from the Judge's rulings) that he has bent over backwards to be fair to Baez, even to the point of explaining Baez's responsiblity to him. I think the Judge has been overly supportive to the defense because he's well aware that this murder case is going to end up being an appeals case. I doubt that many other judges would have treated Baez's erring so kindly and patiently.

[CANDYKISSES]

It's very telling to me that the family didn't step up for the granddaughter. All their blathering about the family being a STAR and Caylee being the pinky finger and how they numbered her as a first priority on the jail house tapes. The interview that George had where he stated 'my granddaughter comes first'. Lies.

Well HERE SHE IS and they can't come and stand up for her? A child now who is dead and has no voice and they can't understand their place in representing her?

Actions speak louder than words.

Now the infiltration on the memorials makes sense. The lies make sense... Caylee does not come first, or last to them.

I think she was literally removed from her point on the star on each hand now if that article is true. I'm still NUMB after reading that about vegetation growing inside the skull, and Nancy and her insistence on the tape being tightly around it. Dear God, what did that child live though and will anyone other than Casey ever know? :crying:

[Neffy]

It sure looks like I've been wrong about a lot of things in this case however I don't think the DP will be put back on the table. lenny is staying with his theory that is was a accident and she was trying to make it look like a 911 incident but changed her mind. If the duct tape was applied after Caylee passed lenny could be right.

JMO

I'm going to stay away from Lenny's predictions. He definately makes me look bad LOL. I just can't take him seriously, my gut tells me not to and BAM. He hits something. LOL

I hope it's put back on the table should the evidence be there for it.

If it's an accident - Casey better step up to the plate and tell what happened.

If she refuses then it was no accident and should recieve DP.

[ishkabibble]

But, I believe that once she is convicted the calls wont be broadcasted...JMO.....In the Scott Peterson case...after he was found guilty...you didn't hear anything more except that his family visited him on the weekends.....JMO

weren't the visits between Hulk Hogan and his son that caused such a stir taped after he (Nick) was sentenced? They were released to the public.

[5boxersmom]

Today Show segment on Casey.


http://today.msnbc.msn.com/id/26184891/vp/18424824#28575999

[westport321]

had that been the bones of my grandchild under discussion, I would have been in court with my lawyer to ask for a speedy burial, this is insanity,Is PPOF punishing her parents? or does her lawyer want to keep those bones?
Other thing I found interesting was the mention of duct tape and the FBI looking for evidence, by the pros. Wonder what PPOF thought of that little comment.

[Pooh]

My lucky, IMO who cares if Casey was there or not. Our point is: Why isn't ANYONE there for Caylee?

AMEN! The Anthonys should have been sitting behind the prosecution in support of their grandchild. Period. They can love Casey all they want to. Nothing should keep them from every hearing and every day of trial in support of their granddaughter. imo

There is no excuse for them not being there for that little girl.

[SavannahStar]

Regina, if this is all true, THEN I AM JUST barf totally sickened. I have held onto a belief that Casey made a tragic mistake in an accidental ILLEGAL overdose or that the pool accident could have created some of the gases found in the trunk.

AGAIN, IF THIS IS TRUE, then I am equally disturbed about George and Cindy.

I know the Kobe Bryant case is not of the same type, but even when the accuser couldn't deal with court, NOW SENT REPS to stand on her behalf.

WHY IS NOBODY STANDING IN AND UP FOR CAYLEE????

I am totally perplexed by that. Where are the child advocates in Florida and why aren't they sitting in as a reminder of a CHILD VICTIM WHO WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR HERSELF??? :crying:

I am appalled to say the least.

This is very sad, Candy, but honestly after reading that article I can't say that I learned much of anything new. Haven't the vast majority of people opined that Casey killed Caylee with deliberate planning and premeditation? I still hold out personally that it may have been an accidental death, but I will wait to hear all the evidence at trial before I am completely convinced either way.

As to no one standing up for Caylee, I think you are completely wrong about that. The wheels of justice are turning. The State of Florida is standing up for Caylee...law enforcement have done their best, and the judicial system there will continue to make certain that the perpetrator is fairly tried and convicted of this crime. Casey will NOT get off.

Caylee has many, many people standing up for her. And you are one of them. Every poster here is standing up for Caylee. Do you listen to Nancy Grace every night? She is standing up for Caylee. Tim Miller is standing up for Caylee. I could go on and on.

Caylee won't be forgotten, and Casey will pay the price for what she did. I have every confidence in that.

[marshmallow]

As I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law, but when Baez during his press conference said that he did notify the Court that Casey would be exercising her right not to appear, and then this Judge decided to just disregard that, it certainly does give a very strong argument at appeal. It violated her rights. Get it?

If you feel otherwise, however, don't let me try to dissuade you from your opinion. You are entitled. And we will wait for the appeal.



He may have stated it but a signed waiver is required and he did not have one. He should have but for some reason chose to not follow that regulation. He caused yesterday's Casey appearance by not doing his job and I think an appeals court will also see that. Had Baez done his job, yesterday's Judge ordered appearance would not have happened.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm with you on this Candy! I'm hoping someone will be there for Caylee during the trial.

I'm going to search for some child advocacy agencies in that area this afternoon and see if I can come up with anything not connected to OC per se.

In our county, we now have a victim services division within the sheriff's department and they do everything. But with all that has gone on in OC with the circus, I'm thinking even if they do normally have follow though for victims there, it's probably a touchy subject on this case IYKWIM.

I hate when those kind of choices have to be made. Hopefully there is an independent agency NON-PROFIT not run by EX-CONS and their ilk who can step up to the plate with DIGNITY and GIVE CAYLEE WHAT SHE HAS YET TO RECEIVE IN THIS TRAGEDY IMOOOC. :mad:

:rose:Caylee Marie Anthony, you have touched more hearts than you will ever know sweet baby girl, soon you will finally RIP.:rose:

[Neffy]

You guys I think are doing the Cindy Lindy. You are not yet ready to accept that Casey's case is going to appeal and may even be overturned. So we will see.

Did anyone catch that lawyer on Nancy Grace last night talking about the same thing? Gotta love 'em.


:laugh:

Not even close.

As I stated - they can appeal anything they want.

No denial there and not only that is accepted, it's expected.

The argument you state as a strong appeal has no bark.

[smileyjoe]

One other thing I wanted to throw out there that has been gnawing at me for weeks now. In that one FBI tape of George being interviewed by LE. When he is being shown some pictures and then talking about the smell in the car and then the next thing you hear is the cop saying that George is out back being sick. George has been in homicide so the recall of the smell of death would not make a cop sick like that. I have to wonder what he could have seen in those photos that made him react like that. And I highly doubt it was pictures of Casey acting wild. I think there was a photo somewhere on Casey's harddrive relating to a deceased Caylee. Remember this was around the time that he was asking the police that if they found out something definitive about Caylee, that they let him break it to his wife, and not too long after this, both George and Cindy did a complete turn-around insisting Caylee was being sighted across the country and at around the same time the police had made the announcement on television that they were no longer pursuing leads, they had "sufficient evidence" Caylee was no longer alive.

Any thoughts ? Theories?


Well BTK took photographs of his victims. He is a hard case sociopath/psychopath.

Somewhere in the recesses of my mind, I can see KC taking pics of her dead daughter for use down the line for Mom and Dad.

THAT would be THE ultimate poke at her mommy dearest. imo.

Joe.

[playnice]

I am too! Only the State of Florida is standing up for Caylee. That's just wrong.

Its sad to think no one will be sitting behind the prosecution side during the trial.
If G& C are witnesses they may not be allowed in the courtroom except to give testimony.
If they are, they will have to choose at that time.
Caylee or Casey. What a predicament to be in.

[Regina.Lampert]

It's their case, they have to build it. And then provide their case to the Defendant so they can poke holes in it. That's the way this works. So yes, Prosecutor does the legwork and the defense is entitled to every iota of it. No surprises. Full disclosure.

LOL oh my........I sure hope baez is thinking this way too, cuz relying on the Prosecutor's to "build the defense's case" is ridiculous. What happens if the Prosecutors don't interview witnesses the defense deems as necessary; as happened yesterday when ole baez requested notes from Tim Miller's searchers that the Prosecution didn't have because they saw no need to interview anyone?


baez needs to get out there and start interviewing witnesses, that's how a defense is built in addition to reviewing discovery from the prosecutors. imo.

[solar]

I too wonder about Baez. I keep thinking that he will removed from this case ( can the pros. request it? Or request that he not be lead council?) As much as I love that he does not seem competent to handle a case of this magnitude, I worry that somewhere down the road it will lead to an appeal. I go back and forth wondering if he is just in way over his head and arrogance is keeping him from doing the right thing, or if all these blunders are a tactic, where he is attempting to be clever. IDK, never seen anything like it.

imo

The answer to your question is no. The defendant is the only one who can ask that her attorney be replaced and it has to be for good cause.

Not trying to argue here, but what blunders? The proceedings yesterday were all motions for discovery and the timeliness of said discovery to be turned over. Imo that is not a blunder. I would be suspect if he was not filing such motions. I know defense attorneys are the people we love to hate, but if he was being grossly unprepared or showed any overt misconduct, it would be up to the court (judge) to correct and sanction.

imo

solar

[shelbar53]

As I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law, but when Baez during his press conference said that he did notify the Court that Casey would be exercising her right not to appear, and then this Judge decided to just disregard that, it certainly does give a very strong argument at appeal. It violated her rights. Get it?

If you feel otherwise, however, don't let me try to dissuade you from your opinion. You are entitled. And we will wait for the appeal.

He didnt notify the count the proper way, he did NOT follow procedure, and I think the judge is letting him know this is a big case and he must learn how to follow proper procedure. he didnt follow procedure with following up on motions etc.

[shelbar53]

The answer to your question is no. The defendant is the only one who can ask that her attorney be replaced and it has to be for good cause.

Not trying to argue here, but what blunders? The proceedings yesterday were all motions for discovery and the timeliness of said discovery to be turned over. Imo that is not a blunder. I would be suspect if he was not filing such motions. I know defense attorneys are the people we love to hate, but if he was being grossly unprepared or showed any overt misconduct, it would be up to the court (judge) to correct and sanction.

imo

solar

the blunders all along, he forgot to fax something, he didnt file appropriate motions or filed stuff when he didnt have to.

[Elle]

Hi

This wasnt asked of me but If either the defense attorney or the prosecution or the Judiciary does not follow procedure it is grounds for appeal. Ineffective counsel among other things.

Hi destiny
Yes, and it is my understanding that Baez is the one who did not follow procedure. IMO, though it may have seemed nitpicky(?), the prosecution had a right to call Baez on it and the Judge was right in enforcing that she attend. If Baez had done it right, it never would have been an issue.

(I apologize in advance if my response is a bit off,wordy, confusing, or if I missed your original point rendering my response well just plain silly. I am sick and heavily :smile:medicated)

[?noanswer]

Did anyone glean from yesterdays court sessions if/when the items/motions requested by Baez would be provided to him? I'm anxious for another document dump! TIA

There were different dates for different items. I think it was up to thirty days for some items. Also some of the items are still with the FBI. I think the Judge told the Prosecution to keep JB updated as to when those items are expected. I'll bet the media will be requesting all items as soon as they are given to JB.


JMO

[solar]

This is very sad, Candy, but honestly after reading that article I can't say that I learned much of anything new. Haven't the vast majority of people opined that Casey killed Caylee with deliberate planning and premeditation? I still hold out personally that it may have been an accidental death, but I will wait to hear all the evidence at trial before I am completely convinced either way.

As to no one standing up for Caylee, I think you are completely wrong about that. The wheels of justice are turning. The State of Florida is standing up for Caylee...law enforcement have done their best, and the judicial system there will continue to make certain that the perpetrator is fairly tried and convicted of this crime. Casey will NOT get off.

Caylee has many, many people standing up for her. And you are one of them. Every poster here is standing up for Caylee. Do you listen to Nancy Grace every night? She is standing up for Caylee. Tim Miller is standing up for Caylee. I could go on and on.

Caylee won't be forgotten, and Casey will pay the price for what she did. I have every confidence in that.

ITA with this post.

[playnice]

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Caylee won't be forgotten, and Casey will pay the price for what she did. I have every confidence in that.

A powerful statement SS. One that we need to make an affirmation and a prayer.

[Regina.Lampert]

As I said, I am not in tune with the finer points of Florida law, but when Baez during his press conference said that he did notify the Court that Casey would be exercising her right not to appear, and then this Judge decided to just disregard that, it certainly does give a very strong argument at appeal. It violated her rights. Get it?

If you feel otherwise, however, don't let me try to dissuade you from your opinion. You are entitled. And we will wait for the appeal.

It must be done in writing, baez failed to do that, no appeal.

[CANDYKISSES]

This is very sad, Candy, but honestly after reading that article I can't say that I learned much of anything new. Haven't the vast majority of people opined that Casey killed Caylee with deliberate planning and premeditation? I still hold out personally that it may have been an accidental death, but I will wait to hear all the evidence at trial before I am completely convinced either way.

As to no one standing up for Caylee, I think you are completely wrong about that. The wheels of justice are turning. The State of Florida is standing up for Caylee...law enforcement have done their best, and the judicial system there will continue to make certain that the perpetrator is fairly tried and convicted of this crime. Casey will NOT get off.

Caylee has many, many people standing up for her. And you are one of them. Every poster here is standing up for Caylee. Do you listen to Nancy Grace every night? She is standing up for Caylee. Tim Miller is standing up for Caylee. I could go on and on.

Caylee won't be forgotten, and Casey will pay the price for what she did. I have every confidence in that.

I have held out hope against hope and again, I did state my shock and disbelief. I guess we will see if any of that is denied and trust me, I have tried every way I know to come up with accidental death pretty much settling on the pool and NEGLIGENCE against much evidence suggesting otherwise.

I know the people working on this case are DEVOTED TO JUSTICE for this CHILD, but I am disappointed in the lack of presence outside of them. Remember, they must stand for JUSTICE only, whatever that may be in this case.

Hopefully there will be an advocacy group who takes on the voice of this child victim if George, Cindy and Lee are committed to Casey. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes and it might just be that my husband would be there for our child and I would be there for our lost grandchild if that happened here, but we would be united in our pain. I am not expecting Cindy and George to disregard Casey, but it's time to take a stand for Caylee now IMOO. :crying:

[esmile]

Dear God, what did that child live though and will anyone other than Casey ever know? :crying:

I have thought the same thing. Did Casey mistreat Caylee when they were alone? And did she rage while killing Caylee because this was in my mind a revenge killing on an innocent and helpless child...done to hurt her own mother. This is why I can't believe Cindy is not turning on Casey because that issue is still not resolved. Casey killed because of Cindy and Caylee was the victim. imo Just because Caylee is gone doesn't mean the rage towards her mother is gone. I think we have seen glimpses of it in the tapes.

[NikkiG77058]

You guys I think are doing the Cindy Lindy. You are not yet ready to accept that Casey's case is going to appeal and may even be overturned. So we will see.

Did anyone catch that lawyer on Nancy Grace last night talking about the same thing? Gotta love 'em.

We don't know what's going to happen yet at trial. The judge ordered her to court to prevent an appeal. He couldn't take just the word of Baez that she waived her right to be present - he wanted Casey to say it under oath, on the record. I think this was very smart on his part.

Whatever happens at trial, she will probably be found guilty and will probably file an appeal BUT what makes you think it would be overturned??? Legally, the state has been on point, so indulge me... :biggrin:

[barskin&co.]

What Judge Strickland did yesterday was to make our defendant follow the same rules everybody else does. That's all. It was Baez in the wrong. Nothing Judge S did was in any way wrong. It imply it was reversable error is beyond mistaken IMO, that notion is just plain nuts.

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina, if this is all true, THEN I AM JUST barf totally sickened. I have held onto a belief that Casey made a tragic mistake in an accidental ILLEGAL overdose or that the pool accident could have created some of the gases found in the trunk.

AGAIN, IF THIS IS TRUE, then I am equally disturbed about George and Cindy.

I know the Kobe Bryant case is not of the same type, but even when the accuser couldn't deal with court, NOW SENT REPS to stand on her behalf.

WHY IS NOBODY STANDING IN AND UP FOR CAYLEE????

I am totally perplexed by that. Where are the child advocates in Florida and why aren't they sitting in as a reminder of a CHILD VICTIM WHO WILL NEVER BE ABLE TO SPEAK FOR HERSELF??? :crying:

I am appalled to say the least.


I know CandyK, this case is very sad on so many levels. It is going to be very interesting to finally learn where cynthia and george stand on this crime - with the victim or with the murderer.

[dgfred]

He may have stated it but a signed waiver is required and he did not have one. He should have but for some reason chose to not follow that regulation. He caused yesterday's Casey appearance by not doing his job and I think an appeals court will also see that. Had Baez done his job, yesterday's Judge ordered appearance would not have happened.

Still a point can be made that it did hurt the defendant in some ways:

Not looking prepared as a lawyer- bad council.
Defendant looking disheveled, not prepared to go to court.
Handcuffs and shackles- looks guilty already.
Some will say tainting the jury pool.

[?noanswer]

i don't know if this is correct or not but i read on the boards that they had 45 days from the time they took it off the table to put it back on. i may be wrong so if another poster has the answer and i'm wrong just let me say know i'm sorry .:smile:

I'm thinking they have up to the time the trial starts to reinstate the DP. I also think if they do put it back on, it will be used as a tool to get KC to accept a plea bargain. JMO

[destiny1]

Hey, Joe, Wadayano! Exactly! This was the first thing I thought about when I came to the point where I knew Casey was guilty. The duct tape confirmation did it for me. I could see her very vindictive spiteful boitch nature taking one last picture of a deceased Caylee to use as the untimate weapon against her mother. She is so demented, imho. Not harrassing her or anything. I'm just saying.

when were items deleted from her hard drive?

That is a horrific thought, but did she have some possible crimminal pictures? I really don't think so, but now that possibility is in my head. :chicken:

[bchand]

Thank you for pointing that out, Shelbar. It is apparent in what happened in Court yesterday and the appeal is going to be strong. I was just saying that above! Good observation.

Morning Everyone - I disagree. I think ANY lawyer is going to have disagreements with this defense team. Just look at the civil trial in the morning.

Judge Strickland has no problems IMO.

[esmile]

Still a point can be made that it did hurt the defendant in some ways:

Not looking prepared as a lawyer- bad council.
Defendant looking disheveled, not prepared to go to court.
Handcuffs and shackles- looks guilty already.
Some will say tainting the jury pool.

I agree 100%. The shackles coming down the hall and dragging into the courtroom screamed MOMSTER. He blew it.

[marshmallow]

Since it was all about motions from the defense wouldn't the family be showing support for Casey if they showed up?

JMO


(using this post as a stepping off point)

I think they can do both. Love Casey and love Caylee. Be in court when it matters, which isn't really now but will be at trial time, and support their daughter by still loving her yet also support Caylee by wanting justice for her.
To do so requires a strong person and at this point Cindy and George may not be ready yet. They may not be ready to face her yet. How do you face a person you love, who killed a person you love?
I sadly think they will get to that point but it will take more pain. Pain like they must've felt to know Baez has the power over their granddaughter's remains. Pain from hearing and accepting the evidence. Pain from facing what Casey is and in my opinion pain soon to come, from Casey's defense team implying that omne of them may be involved in Caylee's death.
I will never look down on the Anthonys if they choose to support Casey by loving her and at the same time support Caylee by wanting justice for her. I don't think loving your children and grandchildren means having to choose which one to love.

[psbperu]

I've always felt that the killing was planned and intentional, not an accident.

Why she chose to kill Caylee is my biggest question. She could have just left Caylee to her parents. Maybe she thought she would be more appealing as the mother of a missing tot than she would be as a mother who simply abandoned her child...

Just checking in.

Also felt it was not an accident. I think Casey Anthony would have broken down by now to reveal if it was.

To me she appears to have no remorse & to be an able & practiced liar.

Since we have only been privy to some of the details surrounding this horrific death...LE must have quite a bit more to hopefully make it an open & shut case.

We'll see. JMHO

[destiny1]

It must be done in writing, baez failed to do that, no appeal.
what is aggravating beyond real is that errors on the part of the judge, pros, or defense atty are grounds for appeal. Now whether they are solid is another thing.

[Regina.Lampert]

What NG didn't say was that it was only a motion hearing and that Casey being there was not a planned event.

JMO

It was a hearing where the motion to prevent Caylee's images from being distributed was being argued. Had cynthia and george cared enough about Caylee, they would have been there in support of the Prosecutors, imo.

I'm sure they are kicking themselves now, cuz they missed a chance to wave and cry for the murderer, imo.

[smileyjoe]

What Judge Strickland did yesterday was to make our defendant follow the same rules everybody else does. That's all. It was Baez in the wrong. Nothing Judge S did was in any way wrong. It imply it was reversable error is beyond mistaken IMO, that notion is just plain nuts.


Yup, following state statute is NOT an error!

Not following state statute IS an error.

Joe.

[floridamom]

I agree 100%. The shackles coming down the hall and dragging into the courtroom screamed MOMSTER. He blew it.

The only time a defendant is not in shackles and jumpsuit is in front of the jury.....this was a pre trial hearing...no jury.
GO GATORS!!!!!!!

[spiritwolf46]

My lucky, IMO who cares if Casey was there or not. Our point is: Why isn't ANYONE there for Caylee?

That is exactly right and sadly, I am afraid, the answer is that it has never been about Caylee. It has only been about Casey and the rest.

So horribly sad, to say the very least.

[?noanswer]

I'm looking forward to that 8/14 visit with G & C too. He alluded to the fact there MAY be police misconduct? In Jose's eyes, that may just mean they treated her just like any other inmate.

If he has not seen those interviews, how does he know anything about police misconduct? I wonder if he is depending on information from KC. I guess G,C, or L could have told him something, but I get the feeling that the family does not like JB, especally G. JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

what is aggravating beyond real is that errors on the part of the judge, pros, or defense atty are grounds for appeal. Now whether they are solid is another thing.

Sure Des, every trial has appellate issues but not many rise to the level of a reversal, imo. This particular issue tho, is not an appeal because baez failed to follow the procedures.

At any rate, the Judge and Prosecutors are now on record as wanting the defendant present at all pertinent hearings, according to the existing law.

[psbperu]

I think she was literally removed from her point on the star on each hand now if that article is true. I'm still NUMB after reading that about vegetation growing inside the skull, and Nancy and her insistence on the tape being tightly around it. Dear God, what did that child live though and will anyone other than Casey ever know? :crying:


One thinks they have been "set back on their heels" enough in this case...but the description of the vegetation also numbed me.

[?noanswer]

This statement from Mr. Casey
http://www.wesh.com/news/18441645/detail.html

The interesting part about this statement from Mr. Casey is that he doesn't mention what he was doing searching for the body repeatedly in the same area. He defends himself by saying 'if I had stumbled across something I would have told someone'... but the bigger question is who gave him those specific instructions to look there as Mr. Hoover has revealed to police. Who was telling him to look there repeatedly.

With Casa de Anthony so quiet it's very curious.


Supposedly from Kiomarie's LE interview. JMO

[esmile]

For some reason when I saw/heard the court say to Casey:

'Raise your right hand as best you can' and then she did so in a sort of crippled by the chains kind of way, it was an eerie moment.

There sat the pathological liar who had to swear in, in chains and cuffs, to tell the truth. She looked caged and yet still full of spite.

[bchand]

This is very sad, Candy, but honestly after reading that article I can't say that I learned much of anything new.
<<<snipped>>>



You mean you knew this?

Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.

I had never read that before. I wish you would have shared this info with us previously because it sickened me.

[barskin&co.]

I have held out hope against hope and again, I did state my shock and disbelief. I guess we will see if any of that is denied and trust me, I have tried every way I know to come up with accidental death pretty much settling on the pool and NEGLIGENCE against much evidence suggesting otherwise.

I know the people working on this case are DEVOTED TO JUSTICE for this CHILD, but I am disappointed in the lack of presence outside of them. Remember, they must stand for JUSTICE only, whatever that may be in this case.

Hopefully there will be an advocacy group who takes on the voice of this child victim if George, Cindy and Lee are committed to Casey. I wouldn't want to be in their shoes and it might just be that my husband would be there for our child and I would be there for our lost grandchild if that happened here, but we would be united in our pain. I am not expecting Cindy and George to disregard Casey, but it's time to take a stand for Caylee now IMOO. :crying:

What a great point, Candy. Usually, when a case like this goes to trial, there are people sitting behind the prosecution table who are the victim's family and there purely to seek justice for the person who was murdered. For instance, in the Neil Entwistle case, his parents were in the courtroom, and they were they grandparents of one of his victims, but their first allegiance was to the nutty notion that their son was "innocent." However, Rachel's parents and Lilly's other grandparents were also there, seated behind the prosecution with only the victims' rights in their hearts. Because of the reality do-se-do Casey and her family has played with the story about Caylee's paternity, we have no other side, here. And that is so sad, and so frustrating! :crying:

[destiny1]

I agree 100%. The shackles coming down the hall and dragging into the courtroom screamed MOMSTER. He blew it.

shackles and cuffs are to protect both the public and the defendant, so it really didn't mean that much. It's SOP when a prisoner is brought from jail to a courtroom.

[WillowInFlight]

That is exactly right and sadly, I am afraid, the answer is that it has never been about Caylee. It has only been about Casey and the rest.

So horribly sad, to say the very least.

You know Spirit your post is so sad, but then I was thinking, after we hear "We the jury, find Casey Marie Anthony, GUILTY" then it will be about Caylee.

[nc1948]

I want to know why if she was there to waive her right to be there, why didn't she leave after that?

Great question.

[playnice]

If Mr Grund isnt a witness I bet he will be there. And yes. Lenny. I bet he will be there for Caylee if these people arent witnesses and allowed in court room. Jessie for sure will be there is he is allowed and he will be sitting on Caylees side.

[Mandysmom]

One other thing I wanted to throw out there that has been gnawing at me for weeks now. In that one FBI tape of George being interviewed by LE. When he is being shown some pictures and then talking about the smell in the car and then the next thing you hear is the cop saying that George is out back being sick. George has been in homicide so the recall of the smell of death would not make a cop sick like that. I have to wonder what he could have seen in those photos that made him react like that. And I highly doubt it was pictures of Casey acting wild. I think there was a photo somewhere on Casey's harddrive relating to a deceased Caylee. Remember this was around the time that he was asking the police that if they found out something definitive about Caylee, that they let him break it to his wife, and not too long after this, both George and Cindy did a complete turn-around insisting Caylee was being sighted across the country and at around the same time the police had made the announcement on television that they were no longer pursuing leads, they had "sufficient evidence" Caylee was no longer alive.

Any thoughts ? Theories?
The recall of the smell of death and realizing it was your granddaughter would make anyone sick I would think.

[Duckaroo]

Perhaps some of CA's family will be there in support of Caylee? I'm not as on top of some things as others are..but, IIRC didn't CA's brother sort of try and get her to snap into reality about KC? I was thinking maybe he'll be there and not to support KC..

[Pooh]

I read somewhere from one of the posters here that Lee possibly erased her harddrive. I have no link. I was just throwing that scenario out there. You guys have a good day, now. Stay out of trouble. I'll be back later!

I heard that too. However, Lee wouldn't have the software the police and FBI have that can recover whatever he may have deleted. You have to make something like at least 7 passes on every sector to totally delete something off a hard drive. No way Lee knows about any of that. imo

[5boxersmom]

I find it disturbing that George and Cindy showed up in court for the gag order hearing but was not there yesterday when it was about pics of Caylee's remains.

jmo

[Jpanda]

Good morning everyone,

I'm not sure I understand what the big fuss is about Casey being "forced" to attend the hearing yesterday. Florida state law requires that a written waiver be signed by the defendant. It was not. Therefore, she was brought into court.

I don't see what the big deal is. They would have done that for anyone, IMO.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

You mean you knew this?

Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.

I had never read that before. I wish you would have shared this info with us previously because it sickened me.

OMG! I have NEVER heard this! It sickens me, too! Well, prolly already said then, but there goes the theory that the body was "just" placed there while PPOF was in jail!

She is SUNK and I could not be happier!

[playnice]

Morning bchand! It sickened me too and that's the first i heard of it as well.

I have a feeling we havent seem sickening yet. Wait until the next doc dump and we will probably all need barf bags. I thinks its even worse than this.:mad:

[dgfred]

You mean you knew this?

Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.

I had never read that before. I wish you would have shared this info with us previously because it sickened me.

Well if the body had been there for months and months wouldn't you expect plants and bugs to be a factor?

[Dells]

If they don't want to visit her because of the taping, when will they visit her. Since her jail house viists are taped as well, it may be a long time coming. I think it's just an excuse.

I agree. As long as Casey stays in jail her visits are going to be taped. Every prisoner has their visits taped and I am sure that family and friends visit them. I also think it was unusual that the Anthony's were not in court regardless of whether or not Casey was there. Some of the TH's on the shows last night said that families of the victims and the accused are always in court to show their support. Just a another very puzzling piece to this case.

[WillowInFlight]

I find it disturbing that George and Cindy showed up in court for the gag order hearing but was not there yesterday when it was about pics of Caylee's remains.

jmo

Has George and Cindy even been seen since the remains have been found? I can only imagine what life must be like for them.

[Jpanda]

The recall of the smell of death and realizing it was your granddaughter would make anyone sick I would think.

ITA. Even though he was in LE and had probably been around dead bodies before, I'm sure it's an entirely different situation when it's one of your loved ones.

jmo

[cassidy]

Good morning everyone,

I'm not sure I understand what the big fuss is about Casey being "forced" to attend the hearing yesterday. Florida state law requires that a written waiver be signed by the defendant. It was not. Therefore, she was brought into court.

I don't see what the big deal is. They would have done that for anyone, IMO.

jmo

Exactly. the judge did what he had to do in order to prohibit Casey coming back at a later date and saying she wasn't even informed of the hearing. Jose biffed that one up. His fault entirely.

[Neffy]

I agree 100%. The shackles coming down the hall and dragging into the courtroom screamed MOMSTER. He blew it.

That's what we saw. I hope Baez is better prepared when the Jury is there ;0.

Let this be a lesson LEARNED.

On the job training.

Baez did no one any favors that's for sure. What he did was stupid.
Not illegal or can be appealed with any measure of weight.

[solar]

the blunders all along, he forgot to fax something, he didnt file appropriate motions or filed stuff when he didnt have to.


All attorneys have made these errors and when these errors occur it is up to the court ( judge) to admonish and guide.

I have no dog in this hunt, but was just curious about all of the animosity there seems to be against this defendants legal counsel.

imo

solar

[read-in]

did casey waive her right's for effective counsel as well???
after yestarday, i dont think we have much to worry about..:wink:

[playnice]

I find it disturbing that George and Cindy showed up in court for the gag order hearing but was not there yesterday when it was about pics of Caylee's remains.

jmo

They didnt want a gag order then because they still wanted to continue the reasonable doubt to potential jurors that they have proof Caylee is alive.

[bchand]

Good morning everyone,

I'm not sure I understand what the big fuss is about Casey being "forced" to attend the hearing yesterday. Florida state law requires that a written waiver be signed by the defendant. It was not. Therefore, she was brought into court.

I don't see what the big deal is. They would have done that for anyone, IMO.

jmo

Morning Jpanda - as you can probably see, it isn't a problem for most.

I agree with you.

[Elle]

respectfully snipped

solar

Hi Solar. Thank you for answering my question about replacing a lawyer. I have so much to learn:smile:
As for the blunders, I think that there have been many (since he took on Casey as a client, and not just yesterday) I know lawyers are people too :smile:,and make mistakes, but it is my opinion that he is ill prepared for a case of this magnitude.
imo

[cassidy]

Well if the body had been there for months and months wouldn't you expect plants and bugs to be a factor?

Yep you would and apparently that's what they found. Which pretty much shoots down the theory that the body was moved repeatedly over the months.

[Kara]

Hey Blondie!! I think it's as simple as she wanted a free lifestyle so she could go clubbing at night with her new lover. Hard to put ourselves in her shoes, because she is truly a monster, imo.

She doesn't even know how to fake true honest to God feelings of sadness for Caylee; as shown yesterday as she sat there listening to attorneys discuss her daughter's bones. Amazingly cold and callous in my opinion.
Sorry, I was AFK. Yeah, I think she wanted a free lifestyle...but she could have simply walked away from her child and left her with her parents. Why she killed her to gain that freedom is the truly disturbing part. Of course, Scott Peterson could have gotten divorced instead of killing too. I guess there is a part of human (or is that inhumane?) nature that I will never understand.

[5boxersmom]

Has George and Cindy even been seen since the remains have been found? I can only imagine what life must be like for them.

When they came home from CA. Then George done the interview, but didn't want to be seen. I think they went to church also.

jmo

[barskin&co.]

Sorry, now you're being cruel. Justice isn't about cruelty. Obviously, you are. :no:

Regina.Lampert is most assuredly not "about cruelty." She is about justice for victims.

[Jpanda]

All attorneys have made these errors and when these errors occur it is up to the court ( judge) to admonish and guide.

I have no dog in this hunt, but was just curious about all of the animosity there seems to be against this defendants legal counsel.

imo

solar

I see what you're saying but this is a very high profile case, and the defense team has brought in many reknowned experts. To have the main defense attorney not even know when the trial date is, is quite unsettling to say the least.

jmo

[esmile]

Bolding mine....

I believe she's comparing apples to oranges here. If the defendant was a stranger, yes, G&C would've been there, no question in my opinion.

I am too idealistic. I think the love for Caylee would get them there - and their love for Caylee allow them to realize how wrong their daughter was.

:crying: The truth is difficult but to me it's better than trying to outrun lies.

[shelbar53]

For some reason when I saw/heard the court say to Casey:

'Raise your right hand as best you can' and then she did so in a sort of crippled by the chains kind of way, it was an eerie moment.

There sat the pathological liar who had to swear in, in chains and cuffs, to tell the truth. She looked caged and yet still full of spite.

here is a short video of that moment

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

[5boxersmom]

Sorry, I was AFK. Yeah, I think she wanted a free lifestyle...but she could have simply walked away from her child and left her with her parents. Why she killed her to gain that freedom is the truly disturbing part. Of course, Scott Peterson could have gotten divorced instead of killing too. I guess there is a part of human (or is that inhumane?) nature that I will never understand.

But when she wanted to come back home when things got tough or to steal some more money Caylee would have still been there. I think a lot of it was taking her away from George and Cindy forever.

jmo

[dgfred]

Good morning everyone,

I'm not sure I understand what the big fuss is about Casey being "forced" to attend the hearing yesterday. Florida state law requires that a written waiver be signed by the defendant. It was not. Therefore, she was brought into court.

I don't see what the big deal is. They would have done that for anyone, IMO.

jmo

No big fuss, we were just discussing the hearing from both side's angles.

[playnice]

Sorry, I was AFK. Yeah, I think she wanted a free lifestyle...but she could have simply walked away from her child and left her with her parents. Why she killed her to gain that freedom is the truly disturbing part. Of course, Scott Peterson could have gotten divorced instead of killing too. I guess there is a part of human (or is that inhumane?) nature that I will never understand.

I think its more than wanting her freedom. I think Cindy threatened to take Caylee away from her and she was too spiteful to just walk away. I think it was revenge on Cindy. You will never take my daughter away. You will never see Caylee again.

[Dells]

Baez really has a backwards way of doing things.

Casey refusing to leave her cell OR Baez telling her it's in her best interest not to be seen in public are both viewed negatively.

His fault. He could have sided with asking for the gag order instead of opposing it.

This says to me he only wants himself out there considering his advice he's given to Casey. Yesterdays after court interview he alludes to himself and his advice that Casey should stay under wraps due to the public doing as this board did yesterday.

Did he expect anything less?

Hiding her draws more attention for the elusive Casey sightings now.

Great post! Some of the talking heads were puzzled as to why Casey does not want to be at all of her hearings. They said that the hearings could be used as an opportunity for Baez to dress Casey up in normal clothes and to start humanizing her to potential jurors. One of the TH's (I think it was NG) talked about how OJ never missed one of his court dates. He went to every single one. I would think that Casey would want to go just to see what is actually going on in her defense. I don't know if she is not going because Baez tells her not to or if she just does not want to go. I think right now she is really trusting Baez, but if she loses this case and ends up in jail the rest of her life her opinion of Baez might change, and she might be sorry for taking some of his advice. If nothing else, at least going to these hearings would break up her day a little bit and get her out of her cell. One of the TH's said that perhaps she doesn't want to go to the hearings because she is afraid to face everyone. I guess we will never know the reasoning behind this.:shrug:

[Regina.Lampert]

Not true. In fact, the defense is under NO obligation to present an affirmative defense. It's up to the state to prove the case beyond a reasonable doubt. In this society, we don't have to PROVE our innocence.

Okay, hope baez follows your thinking too......lol.

[bchand]

Well if the body had been there for months and months wouldn't you expect plants and bugs to be a factor?

I sure would dgfred BUT the discussion has been whether or not the defense is going to try and say the body was put there recently since Casey's been in jail - so she isn't the murderer.

The fact that there were plants growing through the skeleton is very important information to know about to squash that.

IMO this may also be what Tim Miller was talking about when he said he had no doubt the body has been there for a long time.

[WillowInFlight]

I didn't find it disturbing at all. I can understand Cindy & George not being there to hear talk of Caylee's remains.

They were represented at the hearing by their criminal defense attorney. :shrug:

You know how much I love and respect you, what was your take on Casey's demeanor while they were talking about her daughters remains?

[Roux]

I want to clarify my point about the judges not liking baez. I dont think it has anything to do with "who" he defending but like they have no respect for him. They are seeing him as arrogant, insulting, inexperienced, condensending and disrespectful.

I heard many posters say when you address the judge, one must stand, baez doesn't and when one asks the jusdge something, wait until he answers, baez doesn't. An example is when they brought casey into the court, baez asked the judge if he could visit with his client in private for 5 minutes, but then didnt wait for an answer, got up and went to the back of the court room.

Regarding respect for the judge, I'm being nitpicky but did notice that in her responses Casey only said "yes." I would think she should have said "Yes your Honor."

[ishkabibble]

When NG was opening her show she said "And highly unusual, the victim, little Caylee -- her family is a no- show in court. George, Cindy and Lee Anthony all decide not to come to court as the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee."

When she said "the state stands alone seeking justice for Caylee", I got a lump in my throat.

One of the lawers on NG said that it was understandable that the family ws not there because of all of the media , blah, blah, blah.

Personally, I think they should have been there in support of Caylee.

IMO.

Please, the media didn't seem to bother them when they were out getting into brawls with the protestors in front of their house. I never understood why they had to come out and get into arguments with them, just stay inside, park the car in the garage and when you leave just drive thru the crowds, no problem, come home, pull car into garage, close door to garage go inside. DONE.

[Kara]

But when she wanted to come back home when things got tough or to steal some more money Caylee would have still been there. I think a lot of it was taking her away from George and Cindy forever.

jmo
You could be right. I've wondered if it wasnt' partially to hurt her parents. :(

[WillowInFlight]

I think its more than wanting her freedom. I think Cindy threatened to take Caylee away from her and she was too spiteful to just walk away. I think it was revenge on Cindy. You will never take my daughter away. You will never see Caylee again.

ITA, and after she did the deed she never looked back.

[Neffy]

Casey will be shackled at each and every pre-trial hearing. The only time a defendant in custody is NOT shackled is when a jury (or potential jurors) are present.


I didn't mean the shackles part. That's a given.

I meant having to go get her once court has started.

[destiny1]

Sorry, I was AFK. Yeah, I think she wanted a free lifestyle...but she could have simply walked away from her child and left her with her parents. Why she killed her to gain that freedom is the truly disturbing part. Of course, Scott Peterson could have gotten divorced instead of killing too. I guess there is a part of human (or is that inhumane?) nature that I will never understand.

Throwing my two cents in here. Scott P and Casey both seemed to want to keep up certain images. Tehy couldn't fail as parents, husbands, etc., but they both still wanted the free lifestyle. You or I can't imagine killing a family member, but then neither you nor I are probably trying to keep up false pretenses in everyday life either.

[SavannahStar]

(using this post as a stepping off point)

I think they can do both. Love Casey and love Caylee. Be in court when it matters, which isn't really now but will be at trial time, and support their daughter by still loving her yet also support Caylee by wanting justice for her.
To do so requires a strong person and at this point Cindy and George may not be ready yet. They may not be ready to face her yet. How do you face a person you love, who killed a person you love?
I sadly think they will get to that point but it will take more pain. Pain like they must've felt to know Baez has the power over their granddaughter's remains. Pain from hearing and accepting the evidence. Pain from facing what Casey is and in my opinion pain soon to come, from Casey's defense team implying that omne of them may be involved in Caylee's death.
I will never look down on the Anthonys if they choose to support Casey by loving her and at the same time support Caylee by wanting justice for her. I don't think loving your children and grandchildren means having to choose which one to love.

WOW. JUST WOW.

You have said what I have said over and over and over again on this forum since the beginning....but you said it so much better than I ever have been able to. :beer:

I just HATE the idea of "choose Caylee.....OR choose Casey." No, it's just not done that way.

[?noanswer]

I also wonder if she is punishing G&C by not adding them to a visitor list and that is the real reason they arent visiting. I wouldnt let cameras stop me from visiting. Simple. Just dont discuss the case but you can still visit and see if she is ok and tell her you love her. I think its got something to do with G testifying. She is still showing them she is in control by letting Baez deal with Caylees remains.

I really do think this girl is extremely mentally ill in a very disturbing criminal way.

jmo

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I think JB is behind KC not asking for any family members to visit. He wants to maintain total control. There were two instances when she almost agreed to talk to LE, but JB stopped it. If it is true what NG said regarding JB trying to sell KC's story for 500,000, he will not risk anything that could stop the deal. JMO

[CANDYKISSES]

One thinks they have been "set back on their heels" enough in this case...but the description of the vegetation also numbed me.


YES, it brought the reality of this tragedy home very quickly. IF GEORGE AND CINDY have seen this assuming it to be true, then OMG, I can't even imagine the horror in their minds, IF they allow themselves to entertain that Casey did this deliberately to that beautiful child, NAN'S SUNSHINE...Caylee Marie Anthony. :rose:

[5boxersmom]

I didn't find it disturbing at all. I can understand Cindy & George not being there to hear talk of Caylee's remains.

They were represented at the hearing by their criminal defense attorney. :shrug:

So you don't think they will attend the trial? They will hear that talk and probably much worse then.

jmo

[esmile]

Jose Baez has only had 3 so called high profile cases. This page reveals what they were. He was known for DUI and disorderly conduct cases mostly. But his web page apparently had many spelling errors before he fixed them.

http://peopleintenews.wordpress.com/2008/10/17/dui-attorney-jose-baez-so-he-does-have-experience/

I think JB is going to make a lot of mistakes due to inexperience, unless they bring back the DP - in that case he has to give it to someone else.

[i_pickle]

Thank you Coldwater, we promise to do better.

Good morning everyone, here is the article Blu posted on the other thread. Very interesting:


http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18444680/detail.html#-Thanks for the link. Although it says "sources say..." and we don't know who these sources are or how credible they are, I think this is probably pretty accurate.

I leaned toward accident for awhile but have changed my mind too.

JMO

[ruth66]

I agree. As long as Casey stays in jail her visits are going to be taped. Every prisoner has their visits taped and I am sure that family and friends visit them. I also think it was unusual that the Anthony's were not in court regardless of whether or not Casey was there. Some of the TH's on the shows last night said that families of the victims and the accused are always in court to show their support. Just a another very puzzling piece to this case.

Good morning all!
It is my belief that the Anthonys are communicating with Casey. It has be proven that letters have passed from Baez to the Anthonys from Casey before. I just don't think any of the lawyers involved trust that the Anthonys (any of them) to act appropriately while visiting and being taped. Such a shame really, one would think seeing your offspring would be worth biting your tongue.

JMO

[barskin&co.]

Okay, hope baez follows your thinking too......lol.

I think he is! With his assembly of a Nightma...I mean Dream Team of experts, it looks like he is going to try the old "poking holes in the state's case" routine. Considering Casey's behavior, stories...and the physical case, IMO, he's doomed. And I couldn't be more delighted. :biggrin:

[cassidy]

Regarding respect for the judge, I'm being nitpicky but did notice that in her responses Casey only said "yes." I would think she should have said "Yes your Honor."

Jose didn't have time to prep her on that.

[spiritwolf46]

Regina.Lampert is most assuredly not "about cruelty." She is about justice for victims.

I completely and totally agree and second that!

[playnice]

Regarding respect for the judge, I'm being nitpicky but did notice that in her responses Casey only said "yes." I would think she should have said "Yes your Honor."

When they asked her if she swore to tell the truth I really did think she would say :Absolutely."

[happygert]

Yep you would and apparently that's what they found. Which pretty much shoots down the theory that the body was moved repeatedly over the months.

Thats why they took everything from there. bushes and all.

[SavannahStar]

You mean you knew this?

Sources said plants were growing through the skeleton and bug evidence was also recovered, both of which helped scientists reach their conclusion.

I had never read that before. I wish you would have shared this info with us previously because it sickened me.

Did you read my post well enough to get the "not much new"?

No, I have never read that before. I don't find it particularly shocking since the remains were where they were for so long a period of time.

[Jpanda]

I think JB is behind KC not asking for any family members to visit. He wants to maintain total control. There were two instances when she almost agreed to talk to LE, but JB stopped it. If it is true what NG said regarding JB trying to sell KC's story for 500,000, he will not risk anything that could stop the deal. JMO


ITA, and I think Casey waiving her rights to these hearings has Baez's fingerprints all over it too. Another bad move, IMO.

jmo

[Pooh]

Please, the media didn't seem to bother them when they were out getting into brawls with the protestors in front of their house. I never understood why they had to come out and get into arguments with them, just stay inside, park the car in the garage and when you leave just drive thru the crowds, no problem, come home, pull car into garage, close door to garage go inside. DONE.

You said it!! They don't have to open their mouths. The media would get tired of them if they gave them nothing to put on the 6 o'clock news. I'm sorry but they should have been there in support of that baby girl. I know some other posters feel differently. Thats ok.

[dgfred]

GA & CA being there would have probably turned the hearing and the courthouse area into a 'circus' by the media and such.

[esmile]

here is a short video of that moment

http://www.wftv.com/video/18439807/index.html

TY, it's so odd to see her swear to tell the truth.

[Dells]

I've always felt that the killing was planned and intentional, not an accident.

Why she chose to kill Caylee is my biggest question. She could have just left Caylee to her parents. Maybe she thought she would be more appealing as the mother of a missing tot than she would be as a mother who simply abandoned her child...

True, but she would have to know that someday her gig as the mom of a missing child would some day be up. I wonder if she is surprised that she was able to get away w/it for 31 days. Perhaps that is why she was living so recklessly once Caylee went missing. I mean stealing money and checks from people is a very horrible crime, but no where near murder. The number one question that everyone wants answered is why she killed Caylee. I have no doubt that she loved her in her own way, despite the drain on her lifestyle that she thought Caylee caused her. Just another question from this case that we will probably never know the answer too. It is just all too sad.

[?noanswer]

One other thing I wanted to throw out there that has been gnawing at me for weeks now. In that one FBI tape of George being interviewed by LE. When he is being shown some pictures and then talking about the smell in the car and then the next thing you hear is the cop saying that George is out back being sick. George has been in homicide so the recall of the smell of death would not make a cop sick like that. I have to wonder what he could have seen in those photos that made him react like that. And I highly doubt it was pictures of Casey acting wild. I think there was a photo somewhere on Casey's harddrive relating to a deceased Caylee. Remember this was around the time that he was asking the police that if they found out something definitive about Caylee, that they let him break it to his wife, and not too long after this, both George and Cindy did a complete turn-around insisting Caylee was being sighted across the country and at around the same time the police had made the announcement on television that they were no longer pursuing leads, they had "sufficient evidence" Caylee was no longer alive.

Any thoughts ? Theories?

It could have just been nerves. I really cannot invision any family having to go thru a tradegy of this magnitude and being able to maintain sanity/health. JMO

[happygert]

It was news to me too.

The photos of the skeleton with plants growing through will weigh heavily at trial.

Did baez get the photos yesterday?

[barskin&co.]

An overview of Casey in court yesterday.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18445816/index.html

"She does not look like the ingenue she presented herself as prior to the arrest." Good quote by the legal expert.

[WillowInFlight]

Cold & emotionless.

Casey's sociopathy shined right through.

ITA, I also thought she had a bit of a cocky attitude. My hubby has always said my greatest gift was reading people, why for the life of me can't I read this one. I really want to know what makes her tick.

[barskin&co.]

Yes I think they'll attend the trial.

By the time the trial is underway, I expect Cindy & George to be in a different place mentally.

They'll be as ready as they could ever be to hear that stuff.

Yesterday, I don't think they were ready to hear about it.

And they can always leave the courtroom if the testimony at the moment is too rough.

[5boxersmom]

Yes I think they'll attend the trial.

By the time the trial is underway, I expect Cindy & George to be in a different place mentally.

They'll be as ready as they could ever be to hear that stuff.

Yesterday, I don't think they were ready to hear about it.

I see what you are saying and you could be right. :biggrin:

[ruth66]

Please, the media didn't seem to bother them when they were out getting into brawls with the protestors in front of their house. I never understood why they had to come out and get into arguments with them, just stay inside, park the car in the garage and when you leave just drive thru the crowds, no problem, come home, pull car into garage, close door to garage go inside. DONE.


Could Conway have requested that the judge conference call GA & CA into the courtroom and ask them what their wishes were? They did that with LKB. That would have in the very least shown an interest in preserving dignity for little angel CAYLEE.

jMO

[WillowInFlight]

Yes I think they'll attend the trial.

By the time the trial is underway, I expect Cindy & George to be in a different place mentally.

They'll be as ready as they could ever be to hear that stuff.

Yesterday, I don't think they were ready to hear about it.

Oh for sure they will show up, I am sure Cindy will want to hear every thing that has to be said. As much as I dislike what they have done and said, they don't deserve any of this. CAYLEE DIDN'T DESERVE THIS.