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destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:00 PM

Just had a thought.

Wonder if maybe Caylee got caught in the crossfire between Casey and Cindy?

Maybe Casey WAS trying to take Caylee out of the house and Cindy tried to stop her.

I know if it had been me, I would not have let her take that child out of it's safe environment, but then that's just me. jmo

Do you actually mean that it could be that cindy and casey fighting accidentally killed Caylee? NO. I can't see casey not coming out and ratting out her mother as a part of the death of Caylee.

Cury-us Coyote

01-09-2009, 03:01 PM

Casey Anthony Attends Court Hearing

"When I turn on the TV at night, it doesn't exactly engender any confidence in the ability to keep things quiet or private in this matter," Strickland said of the high-profile case.
...
"They're not necessarily gruesome, but they're disturbing," Burdick said.

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18436093/detail.html

SavannahStar

01-09-2009, 03:02 PM

Are there any Floridians here today? I'd like to know if anyone knows exactly when the Love Bug invasion occurs every year in Florida, is it in June/July?

May and September

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:02 PM

BB claims on the 17th that Casey backed in the driveway.

BB says he can't recall if it was the 18th or 19th Casey borrowed the shovel.

We now know that is was the 18th. She returned it at around approx. 2:30.

That is just creepy. I can't imagine anyone who had anything to do with that girl and saw that car on those days can sleep!

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:02 PM

casey grabbed caylee, who was still in her swimsuit from swimming with cindy and left in a huff. But, what time did casey go to the house in the first place on June 15th? was she there when cindy and caylee came home or did she come by later?

I think this is very close to the truth, if her swimsuit is found with her we'll know for sure. I'm going to read Tony L's interview beause I think she was with him on the 15th but not overnight. he may say when she left. George worked that night 2/3-10/11pm I think so he is totally in the dark as to what happened that night and both Casey and Cindy are not talking, for now, let's see at the trial what questions Baez asks her (Cindy) about that night.

canada

01-09-2009, 03:02 PM

First they would have to prove they existed. Then they could but probably wouldn't bother unless they were believed to contain evidence pertinent to the case, not just related to the case, but instrumental in solving the case and possible use to the prosecution.

Incoming jail mail is opened because it can contain contraband substance...it's not just Casey's mail that would be opened but all inmates. Contraband such as drugs in small quantities can be cleverly hidden. You wouldn't believe some of the ways. There is no way mail from the outside would remain sealed and given to an inmate.

Calla

01-09-2009, 03:03 PM

:scared: Afternoon all. I thot we were still in timeout. Now I have to read all these pages:mad:'' It's ok. Interesting on topic stuff!
But THANK YOU CW:smile:

desmom

01-09-2009, 03:03 PM

I would think the smell of decomposition would be so overwelming that a jogger,dog walker or nearby neighbors even a car passing by with a window down would be alerted by the smell. so maybe poor Caylee was buried in a shallow grave & Fay uncovered her.

Well maybe. Would they have known what the smell was? A lot of people have never smelled a decomposing body. This was also an open area. The smell would not be as strong as say as the trunk of a car. jmo

happygert

01-09-2009, 03:03 PM

You're welcome & correct about double checking.

I'm very glad I didn't need to watch more than the first four minutes. :)

So that means regardless if she wants to come or not she can be ordered there........Well I dont think she's gonna like that.. Nor is baez..

playnice

01-09-2009, 03:04 PM

I know one thing. If I had ever had even a passing conversation with Casey I would seriously be thinking about what could happen to me!

They all scare me.:chicken:

Cury-us Coyote

01-09-2009, 03:04 PM

Casey Anthony Forced To Appear At Court Hearing

Judge Strickland decided to put them in Jose Baez's custody and Baez agreed the photographs would not be used for profit and a secure website will be put into place so that only authorized people will have access.

A January 15 status hearing was canceled and a trial date has not been set. Jose Baez wants the case to move forward as soon as possible.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18436005/detail.html

Mimi428

01-09-2009, 03:04 PM

Do you actually mean that it could be that cindy and casey fighting accidentally killed Caylee? NO. I can't see casey not coming out and ratting out her mother as a part of the death of Caylee.

Agree. No way would Casey sit in jail for 5 minutes if she had someone else she could point a finger at. For that matter, she would have never kept her mouth shut once they told her she was under arrest.

She's not exactly the altruistic, loyal sort.

JMO

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:04 PM

BB claims on the 17th that Casey backed in the driveway.

BB says he can't recall if it was the 18th or 19th Casey borrowed the shovel.

We now know that is was the 18th. She returned it at around approx. 2:30.

BB says her car was backed in again on the 20th.

was that the gas can day?

Am I wrong but didn't Tone say he broke the lock and helped Casey get the cans?

Sorry for so many questions guys but I have forgotten the dates with all this.

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:05 PM

OK can someone double check this for me please. Between 7:36 p, on the 15th of June and 4:18 pm on the 16th of June the latitude and longitude on the pings of Casey's phone do not change between a rotation of the 3 different settings which IIRC can be from a bouncing off of 3 differnt towers in the same area since one min it reads on setting another min a different setting but it is constantly 3 of the same settings during the period from 7:36 pm on the 15th to 4:16 pm on the 16th which would mean she was in pretty much one area or one place right?

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1695097/HFTM-Casey-Anthony-Cell-Phone-Log-Analysis-June-15th-June-16th

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:06 PM

Incoming jail mail is opened because it can contain contraband substance...it's not just Casey's mail that would be opened but all inmates. Contraband such as drugs in small quantities can be cleverly hidden. You wouldn't believe some of the ways. There is no way mail from the outside would remain sealed and given to an inmate.

That's true, but outgoing mail is slipped out. Believe me, there are ways! It seems that everybody has a price. It's just what is it.

bluwaters

01-09-2009, 03:06 PM

Not only that someone from home phone called casey's phone at 7:45 am .. no answer.. IMO if they were home you wouldn't call them on cell...I know some will disagree with me.. I know I wouldn't call on cell if my daughter was in next room,,,Unless I was NOT capable of moving..If I was incapacitated then that would be a different story
Hi happy!
It is an established routine in our home to call one another using cell phones and the land line. I object to everyone yelling up and down the stairs to summon one another, so it's pretty much my rule.
It could have been a normal thing in the Anthony home.
However, I don't think that it was.
I don't think that Casey and Caylee were home and someone at Hopespring Drive was trying to locate them.
I bet that the phone records show if the A's customarily phone another while in the same house.
I also don't believe the story GA told about seeing Caylee and Casey leaving in the early afternoon on the 16th.
I believe that they were gone and Caylee was dead by that time.:sad:
jmho

happygert

01-09-2009, 03:07 PM

Now that I think back on those conversations I find it strange that the family was not literally begging and pleading for information to the extent of being emotionally unstable wrecks. Now it makes me think they were too calm about it.

yes way to calm..they knew......

trt

01-09-2009, 03:08 PM

Cury-us Coyote

01-09-2009, 03:08 PM

Judge: No video deposition of Casey Anthony in defamation case

Anthony's parents, George and Cindy Anthony, are next up for depositions. They were going to be questioned last month but the meeting was postponed after officials confirmed the remains belong to Caylee.

The couple's attorney, Brad Conway, said outside the courtroom today that he plans to try to block the depositions. However, he wouldn't comment on why.

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story

Katt2

01-09-2009, 03:09 PM

I think appearance are important also. it can be very revealing about how one is coping with their circumstances. bright eyed, droopy eyed, dirty, clean, skinny now fat or fat now skinny, bounce to their step, dragging their feet, clear complection...cold sores, blemishes, clean hair, dirty hair. chewed fingernails, biting ones lips, wringing hands. red swollen eyes, puffy skin. etc...

I fail to see where Casey's appearance at that hearing or any hearing has an relevance to her case. No one in that courtroom save her attorney cares how she is coping with incarceration. What is of importance is her appearance before the jury and you can bet that Jose will have her looking like little miss innocence.

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:09 PM

Sorry, just got back. I think that your theory makes sense. I forget that Florida is hot and humid, a lovefest for plants and vegatation. Yeah, I think you hit the nail on the head here.

So now that we have a timeline that the body spend around 2 or so days in the trunk and then was tossed back in June, and there is "overwhelming evidence" that Casey murdered Caylee on purpose and used duct tape around her head, let's narrow down some of the theories and try to figure out what went down. Starting with the fight that Cindy and Casey that last evening that Caylee was seen alive. Shall we????

I think that Caylee was upset after seeing her momma and grandma fight. She was probably crying and howling for her grandma. Casey was already pizzed beyond reason. I think she may have gotten furious with Caylee, saw the duct tape she had stolen from Amy, and taped her mouth to stop the crying. Maybe then she threw her in the trunk to get her out of sight. After that, I don't know. Did she suffocate? Accidental/but on purpose death?

MOO

JD1974

01-09-2009, 03:11 PM

Roy Kronk has representation.

Provided by the county through his county employment.

Representation that would cover him having to answer to any charges Baez can make up during the trial, or just about finding the body in general? If he does have representation that will stick with him through this then he should of gotten a reward and that's it. Selling his story becomes vulgar unless there is a reason behind it, the only one I could think of was wanting some kind of criminal lawyer to represent him. If he doesn't need it then he too goes down as someone just trying to cash in...:angry:

really3997

01-09-2009, 03:12 PM

That is just creepy. I can't imagine anyone who had anything to do with that girl and saw that car on those days can sleep!

Not to mention still be living there that would have to stange in its self JMO

happygert

01-09-2009, 03:13 PM

Hi happy!
It is an established routine in our home to call one another using cell phones and the land line. I object to everyone yelling up and down the stairs to summon one another, so it's pretty much my rule.
It could have been a normal thing in the Anthony home.
However, I don't think that it was.
I don't think that Casey and Caylee were home and someone at Hopespring Drive was trying to locate them.
I bet that the phone records show if the A's customarily phone another while in the same house.
I also don't believe the story GA told about seeing Caylee and Casey leaving in the early afternoon on the 16th.
I believe that they were gone and Caylee was dead by that time.:sad:
jmho

No I dont think it was either.. and there house isn't that big.. no upstairs. Nope she wasn't there imo either.. think they were looking for her before cindy went to work.. I believe she was too.

In one of cindys interviews or something i read or heard didnt cindy say GA left for work around 9 on the 16th and didnt get home until 6:30 and didnt come home in between? does anyone else remember this? Or do I have my days mixed up once again?

Neffy

01-09-2009, 03:14 PM

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:15 PM

I agree with the above scenario, EXCEPT I think that soon after Casey murdered Caylee she left the house. The next morning, neither Casey nor Caylee were around and then the coverup began by George and Cindy. That is where the conflicting stories come in because both of them had different version of what happened the next morning. I think it is because NEITHER of them saw Caylee or Casey the next morning because THEY WERE ALREADY GONE. I think that Casey took the car in the middle of the night, threw little Caylee in the trunk and drove around trying to figure out what to do. But then that doesn't explain the dogs hitting in the yard. :cursing: does it.

Yes. If after Casey realized Caylee was dead, she went home in a panic to get trash bags and cleaning supplies to begin the cover up. She removed the child from the trunk, placed her in the yard (in a hidden area) got the bags, etc. Sometime after that the dumping took place. (MOO)

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:16 PM

Depending on local traffic it is possible it be hitting a tower up to 5 miles away which is a pretty big area.Ok thanks.

joolz

01-09-2009, 03:16 PM

Roy Kronk has representation.

Provided by the county through his county employment.

That is good to know since Leonard Padilla has as much as openly accused Kronk of being involved, which IMO is despicable. I know a lot of people like Padilla and I find him amusing sometimes, but I hope Kronk sues him for every last dime. jmo

playnice

01-09-2009, 03:17 PM

spiritwolf46

01-09-2009, 03:17 PM

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:17 PM

Does anyone remember if it was June 15th when Cindy texted Casey and said, "We have a problem."? IIRC it was which would mean the problem is what lead up to the fight. Did Cindy find out on the 15th about grandpas money being stolen?

That was July 15th. Talking about the car being impounded.

bluwaters

01-09-2009, 03:18 PM

Cindy, who was not there, corrected George when he mentioned the news show.

The Food Network show comes from Cindy.

The above happened during Greta's interview with Cindy & George.
Yes, and Cindy gripped his leg tightly.
I believe that Cindy had given him a script and George almost deviated from it.
I recall a feeling of relief when George finally got his story out, because Cindy was so tense that even I was holding my breath while George talked!
Not really, but Cindy visibly relaxed when the story was over.

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:20 PM

No accident. The new article says they have proof positive that Casey murdered Caylee intentionally. Does that mean a plastic bag wrapped around her head or the duct tape wrapped around her head (Imette St. Guillen style) to suffocate her? Or a broken neck? Maybe they found that evidence and are holding back with that? It's something so obvious that they are publically saying it so, it has to be.

Ugh. Well, I'll stick with the beginning of my theory. Caylee was upset because of the fight, Casey was furious... She lashed out...

Cury-us Coyote

01-09-2009, 03:20 PM

P.I. Says Partner Knew Where Caylee Anthony's Body Was

"Does Mr. Hoover know who told Mr. Casey that?" Belich asked Hoover's attorney, John Liguori.

"No, he does not," he said.
...
The tape was handed over at the office of WFTV's legal analyst, William Sheaffer. Sheaffer is not representing any of the parties involved, but was asked by Hoover to facilitate and speed up the turning over of evidence to investigators.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18432677/detail.html

playnice

01-09-2009, 03:21 PM

That was July 15th. Talking about the car being impounded.

Thanks. So much stuff has come out its hard to remember what happened when to who.Im glad some people have good memories because trying to hunt it up in the links is a big job.

PROPROS

01-09-2009, 03:21 PM

And quite possibly the mitigating factor as to why she signed the rights to Caylee's remains over to her "father-figure" (moo) lawyer, and not Caylee's grandparents?Yes, and that tells me that she is angry with them. I'm trying to come up with another reasonable explaination...I know it could be said that they are grief striken..As horrible as it is, there are people that lose children everyday and they have to deal with the remains and funerals.If it were my child (or grandchild)I would want to see to the final arrangements myself as one final act of love. Baez was a stranger to Caylee.IMO, her funeral/memorial should be handled by the ones that were her family in life.mo

SavannahStar

01-09-2009, 03:22 PM

No accident. The new article says they have proof positive that Casey murdered Caylee intentionally. Does that mean a plastic bag wrapped around her head or the duct tape wrapped around her head (Imette St. Guillen style) to suffocate her? Or a broken neck? Maybe they found that evidence and are holding back with that? It's something so obvious that they are publically saying it so, it has to be.

They have "overwhelming evidence" is the phrase that is used in the article.

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:23 PM

yes way to calm..they knew......

Cindy was way too calm, think of the hysteria in her voice on the 3rd 911 call, to the almost dismissive "don't waste your call to yell and scream at me sweetheart, it's not my fault you're in jail" "Which cameo, I did 4" that statement almost seems like a taunt, I'm on TV and you're in jail, see what happens when you lie. Very strange reversal of emotions.

eagleeer

01-09-2009, 03:24 PM

Absolutely right, LS...my hubby has never had to correct me about what my FAVORITE show is!!! JMO

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it was shortly after the lunchtime hour. I was watching a favorite show I like to watch on TV, a news...
CINDY ANTHONY: Before you go to work.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it's was a Food Channel thing I watched, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: And was it -- you were watching here in the living room.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Right, and I was sitting right here, almost in the same spot, just watching it, and saw my granddaughter and my daughter come out, you know, with their backpacks and...

From the Greta Van Susteren Interview with George and Cindy. It was George that mentioned the the Food Channel thing not Cindy. He also mentioned it in his interview with the FBI out of the presence of Cindy. Hope this clears up the food channel thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

gaelicpeas

01-09-2009, 03:24 PM

No I dont think it was either.. and there house isn't that big.. no upstairs. Nope she wasn't there imo either.. think they were looking for her before cindy went to work.. I believe she was too.

In one of cindys interviews or something i read or heard didnt cindy say GA left for work around 9 on the 16th and didnt get home until 6:30 and didnt come home in between? does anyone else remember this? Or do I have my days mixed up once again?

I believe that was in the retrieved email that Cindy sent Casey (in the last doc dump). I remember reading it, but I don't remember if it had a date attached to it. JMO

Shells2

01-09-2009, 03:25 PM

The more I think about how little we know about that crucial June 15/16 timeframe, the angrier I get with G&C. How dare they be less than forthcoming or truthful about what really happened? How could they do that, knowing Caylee was missing? How could they know that Casey did NOT leave with Caylee "as per usual" on the 16th, and then start promoting the Nanny the Zanny story? How could they not know that the events of June 15/16 were critical to all that happened after that? :mad:

The Anthony's story has changed dramatically over time. At first I credited it to grieving parents - now I'm just really curious as to why all the lies.

I wish there was a thread of JUST contradictions and "miss stories" that they have told. It's quite unreal.

The first time I ever thought "you are intentionally lying!" was when Cindy was being interviewed on NBC for the segment "When Caylee Vanished". Cindy flat out stated that Casey WANTED to go to the police. That she said "Take me mom". When I had heard the FIRST 911call already that had them talking in the background whlle the call was being transferred..

""My next thing will be to file a child thing and we will get her," Cindy Anthony is heard saying on the line. "If that is the way you want to play, we'll do it."

Caylee's mother, Casey then said, "That's not the way I want to play."

"Well then you have…" Cindy Anthony said.

Casey Anthony then says she wants "one more day."

"No, I'm not giving you another day, I've given you a month," Cindy Anthony said.

The call ends when a sheriff's operator answers the phone. "
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16989715/detail.html
What part of that is Casey saying "Take me Mom" ?????

gaelicpeas

01-09-2009, 03:26 PM

Does anyone remember if it was June 15th when Cindy texted Casey and said, "We have a problem."? IIRC it was which would mean the problem is what lead up to the fight. Did Cindy find out on the 15th about grandpas money being stolen?

I believe that was on July 15, not June... and presumably was in reference to the car being at the towyard.

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:26 PM

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:26 PM

They have "overwhelming evidence" is the phrase that is used in the article.

What could it be though - didn't the ME say the manner was homicide, but the cause was "unknown". It couldn't be something obvious like a broken neck or cracked skull. It almost has to be drugs or suffocation then, right? I

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:28 PM

and the fight ? Or the day of the great grandfather trip?

June 15th.

I think that casey had already dumped the body, and was stupid and didn't try and get rid of the smell and the stain, so when george approached the car on the 24th, it was to hide the smell and stain and not her body.

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:29 PM

What could it be though - didn't the ME say the manner was homicide, but the cause was "unknown". It couldn't be something obvious like a broken neck or cracked skull. It almost has to be drugs or suffocation then, right? I

this is long after the preliminart results. The "overwhelming' evidence could be FINGERPRINTS ON THE INSIDE OF THE DUCT TAPE. or CASEYS hair being found on the inside of the duct tape or the bag, and matching bedding from the anthony house.

Dells

01-09-2009, 03:30 PM

JUDGE STRICKLAND is staying on this case.. He will be the JUDGE!!!

That's great news!:biggrin:

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:30 PM

Depending on local traffic it is possible it be hitting a tower up to 5 miles away which is a pretty big area.OK now I just went to the pings on July 16th in the morning when they were sending out all those messages to all her friends and all of the lat and longs are the exact same as they are on the 15th and 16th that I mentioned before a seg of 3 different ones. So what I am getting at is that she was probably at home from 7:36 pm on the 15th to 4:18 pm on the 16th is what it looks like. It is just to much of a coincidence that on the 16th of July that you get the exact same sequence of lats and longs from when we know she was at the Anthony house making calls.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1627581/Casey-Phone-Log-126_151

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:32 PM

this is long after the preliminart results. The "overwhelming' evidence could be FINGERPRINTS ON THE INSIDE OF THE DUCT TAPE. or CASEYS hair being found on the inside of the duct tape or the bag, and matching bedding from the anthony house.

But couldn't that still point to "accident". Say I'm stupid and I just want my child to shut up. Im angry. I put the tape over her mouth. I throw her in the trunk and death ensues. Let's say I didn't mean to kill her but she died. Not trying to be conrary, I just am trying to understand. All those things you mentioned may still be present, but no one knows the intent. I'm just really confused about that new article.

Shells2

01-09-2009, 03:32 PM

OK now I just went to the pings on July 16th in the morning when they were sending out all those messages to all her friends and all of the lat and longs are the exact same as they are on the 15th and 16th that I mentioned before a seg of 3 different ones. So what I am getting at is that she was probably at home from 7:36 pm on the 15th to 4:18 pm on the 16th is what it looks like. It is just to much of a coincidence that on the 16th of July that you get the exact same sequence of lats and longs from when we know she was at the Anthony house making calls.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1627581/Casey-Phone-Log-126_151

So you think she killed her at home? Is that what you are saying?

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:32 PM

The Anthony's story has changed dramatically over time. At first I credited it to grieving parents - now I'm just really curious as to why all the lies.

I wish there was a thread of JUST contradictions and "miss stories" that they have told. It's quite unreal.

The first time I ever thought "you are intentionally lying!" was when Cindy was being interviewed on NBC for the segment "When Caylee Vanished". Cindy flat out stated that Casey WANTED to go to the police. That she said "Take me mom". When I had heard the FIRST 911call already that had them talking in the background whlle the call was being transferred..

""My next thing will be to file a child thing and we will get her," Cindy Anthony is heard saying on the line. "If that is the way you want to play, we'll do it."

Caylee's mother, Casey then said, "That's not the way I want to play."

"Well then you have…" Cindy Anthony said.

Casey Anthony then says she wants "one more day."

"No, I'm not giving you another day, I've given you a month," Cindy Anthony said.

The call ends when a sheriff's operator answers the phone. "
http://www.clickorlando.com/news/16989715/detail.html
What part of that is Casey saying "Take me Mom" ?????

want to play play it ?

Sounds like they were trying to get a lie together IMO of course. I just wouldnt use that language if I were in that situation with a child daughter granddaughter

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:33 PM

OH MY ok that is just too sad. What do they have to hide if they are so innocent? Innocent people do NOT act this way. No they do not.
Thanks for the link Cury. Im off to work a little. I hope this case takes a back seat soon and other cases are put in the spotlight until a decision is made, trial or not.

I was working when the camera was on the door yesterday and hearing casey in chains coming down the hall was too much for me. Maybe it was all I needed to hear? Then I saw her swishing her hips and I thought OMG she is strutting, still! PPOF! I am not sure she will get any lesson in all of this. And I do not understand how any reasonable good family could support her. Child or not, what she has done is heinous and I am Pro DP so part of me hopes she faces her just reward. I still have grave concerns about the privacy issues in this case and if she will end up walking because so much info has been released before trial. If anything the defense needs to ask for a mis trial daily based on this alone.

Put yourselves in her shoes for one day and think about it. If your texts and phones calls pictures and life profiles online and family issues were all aired in public before a trial ever took place, wouldnt you fight the fair trial issue? I would have to. It is a clear violation of privacy sunshine law or not. It is unprecedented. Some of us have the whole case on our laptops. If this were you, how would you feel? Murder or not, seem fair to you? Maybe the Sunshine Law will be reviewed because of this case.

Well if you avoid killing someone, chances of having your life laid out in public are very small. Her phone calls from jail and her visits in jail from her parents were very clearly taped/recorded and if she/they didn't want anything made public,keep your mouth shut. Same thing with emails and texts if you read the fine print all that stuff is out there somewhere. some people put their whole lives out on myspace, facebook etc and then wonder how others know so much about their business. If by some circumstance not of my own making, people got into my business I probably would not like it much at all but if that is the law i'd have to deal. If I have done nothing wrong I can hold my head up.

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:33 PM

Great Grandma Shirley Plesea fised the chili on June 15th, the day Cindy took Caylee to visit at the nursing home. Shirley made a comment in her interview about fixing Caylee something else to eat because she didn't think she would like the chili.

Does anyone recall later George saying that they fixed chili on Caylee's birthday because it was her favorite meal?

Funny.

I want to know more about the ladder story that CA & Ga told Greta. Do you think that is something they through out there to help Casey claim it was an accident (if they knew Casey had harmed Caylee) or did casey actually leave the ladder up? Does anyone remember the date the As gave?

Dells

01-09-2009, 03:33 PM

It is so sad, that poor baby.

I dunno, but I like gergaos's idea on the pictures better than Baez's secure server. I wonder if LE placed a special watermark onto the cd they gave Baez. If you imbed each CD with the experts name, I think that expert would be a lot more careful with the pictures.

Placing a special watermark on the pictures is a fabulous idea. I hope they implement it.

Shells2

01-09-2009, 03:33 PM

Okay so the last day Caylee was seen alive (the grandfather trip) was the 15th. The day that George wanted to get into the trunk of Casey's car is the 24th. That is about a week. This doesn't make sense to me. These doting grandparents, they have not seen Caylee around the house since the 15th and on the 24th they are NOT asking Casey where Caylee is? How is that possible when they all live in the same house.

This just doesn't add up. And the cops are not seeing this as STRANGE?

Casey had taken Caylee at that point away to "bond" and was staying with friends. George did ask about Caylee and Casey had said she didnt' have time to talk, that Caylee was fine IIRC.

Calla

01-09-2009, 03:33 PM

OK I have read alot of your ideas..not all ..but alot.

I do think, if George was suppoose to be at work on the evening of the 15th(someone will correct me if he wasn't)..that it is entirely possible that he did see Casey & Caylee leaving, but he is wrong about the date.

How is this evidence pointing to intentional killing? Just asking for your thoughts.

This has got to be a troubled individual to do this to that child and torture her family with all those lies

really3997

01-09-2009, 03:34 PM

Okay so the last day Caylee was seen alive (the grandfather trip) was the 15th. The day that George wanted to get into the trunk of Casey's car is the 24th. That is about a week. This doesn't make sense to me. These doting grandparents, they have not seen Caylee around the house since the 15th and on the 24th they are NOT asking Casey where Caylee is? How is that possible when they all live in the same house.

This just doesn't add up. And the cops are not seeing this as STRANGE?

I believe it was because they were fueding ( or bonding if you believe Cindy) They appear to be the type of people that stand their ground when they are fighting won't budge off of that soap box waiting for the other one to JMO

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:35 PM

But couldn't that still point to "accident". Say I'm stupid and I just want my child to shut up. Im angry. I put the tape over her mouth. I throw her in the trunk and death ensues. Let's say I didn't mean to kill her but she died. Not trying to be conrary, I just am trying to understand. All those things you mentioned may still be present, but no one knows the intent. I'm just really confused about that new article.

I believe that Legally the way I read the statutes, the tape in itself means it is no accident because anything obstructing the mouth and/or nose can kill in very short order.

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:35 PM

OK now I just went to the pings on July 16th in the morning when they were sending out all those messages to all her friends and all of the lat and longs are the exact same as they are on the 15th and 16th that I mentioned before a seg of 3 different ones. So what I am getting at is that she was probably at home from 7:36 pm on the 15th to 4:18 pm on the 16th is what it looks like. It is just to much of a coincidence that on the 16th of July that you get the exact same sequence of lats and longs from when we know she was at the Anthony house making calls.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1627581/Casey-Phone-Log-126_151

Doesn't lee live close by? could she have been at his house? Wouldn't the pings be the same?

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:35 PM

... and I repeat, how could they? How could these grandparents feel it was more important to not reveal a family fight than it was to give up any information that would help get to the bottom of Caylee's disappearance? Who does that? :angry:

ummm...The Anthony's?:sneaky:

playnice

01-09-2009, 03:35 PM

I believe Caylee was killed at home, possibly her bed and wrapped in a sheet. I believe that sheet was replaced with Cindys JC Pennys card.

girlspell

01-09-2009, 03:36 PM

This "overwhelming evidence" they are talking about. Would that include finger prints from the duct tape? They are pretty silent about that.

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:36 PM

So you think she killed her at home? Is that what you are saying?

No I think she had plans with TonE and had Caylee in the trunk that evening after she couldn't find a babysitter for Caylee and had her sedated. Went to the video store as noted on surveillance cameras that evening. Sometime that night was when I think that Caylee passed away in the trunk of the car. JMHO up until that point I really believe that it was pretty much status quo in the Anthony house.

101Spots

01-09-2009, 03:36 PM

Well maybe. Would they have known what the smell was? A lot of people have never smelled a decomposing body. This was also an open area. The smell would not be as strong as say as the trunk of a car. jmo

Aye!

A few years ago we had an epidemic whereby the deer were dropping dead. You could smell them in the woods, but the smell only lingered a few days in the open. Add to this there is no sidewalk by that area, and in June/July in Florida I would assume most people had their car windows rolled up and the a/c on. I doubt anyone got close enough to smell it, except to think, "Boy, that stinks." Nobody ever got as far as "I wonder what that smell is?" because nobody knew Caylee was missing at that point.

Shells2

01-09-2009, 03:36 PM

want to play play it ?

Sounds like they were trying to get a lie together IMO of course. I just wouldnt use that language if I were in that situation with a child daughter granddaughter

I don't know about getting a lie together, I think that Cindy was furious at that point that she didnt' know where Caylee was. I use the term "if that's how you wanna play it" when I am upset sometimes too.

I am really curious as to WHEN Cindy and George really found out that Casey had killed Caylee. I honestly don't believe that at the time of the 911 calls they knew, but I think they certainly knew prior to Caylee's little body being found. Otherwise, why the obvious lies?

really3997

01-09-2009, 03:37 PM

I believe the 'sources.'

Can anyone here cite any time the 'sources close to the investigation' were wrong in this case?

Channel 6 and Channel 9 have always quoted sources close to case and I do not recall them every being wrong. Channel 35 never quotes sources just exclusives with the A;s. Just my observation

happy2bme

01-09-2009, 03:37 PM

Okay so the last day Caylee was seen alive (the grandfather trip) was the 15th. The day that George wanted to get into the trunk of Casey's car is the 24th. That is about a week. This doesn't make sense to me. These doting grandparents, they have not seen Caylee around the house since the 15th and on the 24th they are NOT asking Casey where Caylee is? How is that possible when they all live in the same house.

This just doesn't add up. And the cops are not seeing this as STRANGE?

I am sure they are seeing it strange but at the time Cindy said Casey was on vacation, Casey was bonding with Caylee and Casey was working. who knows?

SavannahStar

01-09-2009, 03:37 PM

What could it be though - didn't the ME say the manner was homicide, but the cause was "unknown". It couldn't be something obvious like a broken neck or cracked skull. It almost has to be drugs or suffocation then, right? I

Well I think it's something to do with the duct tape.

There is still too much unknown for me. That's why I'm not coming out with any cut and dried theory, like they got in a big fight, Casey stormed out, killed Caylee, and yada yada. Just too much we don't know yet. Making up a theory doesn't give me a great pleasure.....I like to hear it all at trial and see what shakes out then. I don't think any one of us is totally correct in everything, every step of the way, with our theories.

As far as George seeing them on the 16th.....I don't think this "fits" with most theories and given the fact "they all lie".....that's why most do not believe him. I'm noncomittal.

All I know is Casey killed Caylee. That much I'm sure of. Right now, LEANING towards murder as opposed to accidental killing.

Shells2

01-09-2009, 03:39 PM

No I think she had plans with TonE and had Caylee in the trunk that evening after she couldn't find a babysitter for Caylee and had her sedated. Went to the video store as noted on surveillance cameras that evening. Sometime that night was when I think that Caylee passed away in the trunk of the car. JMHO up until that point I really believe that it was pretty much status quo in the Anthony house.

Ohhh ok.. i see what you are saying. The LE figures that Caylee was in the trunk for two days prior to being moved. So, the pings on the 17th or 18th should be the ones that show her at the site right?

ETA: Except the part about LE saying that there is evidence that this wasn't an accident. I forgot about that part!

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:39 PM

Okay so the last day Caylee was seen alive (the grandfather trip) was the 15th. The day that George wanted to get into the trunk of Casey's car is the 24th. That is about a week. This doesn't make sense to me. These doting grandparents, they have not seen Caylee around the house since the 15th and on the 24th they are NOT asking Casey where Caylee is? How is that possible when they all live in the same house.

This just doesn't add up. And the cops are not seeing this as STRANGE?

George was asking in his usual ineffectual way.. gee we haven't seen her in a couple of weeks, it would be nice to hear her little voice, she blew past him gave him his "effing" cans and took off for "work" Typical Casey way of doing things. Casey hadn't stayed at the house since the night of the 15(?).

playnice

01-09-2009, 03:39 PM

Well, I am racking my brains here trying to come up with a scenario that fits. NOTHING FITS!!! GRRRR. We have the trip to grandpa's and that video where she is reading the book. Comes home and then there is a huge fight between Cindy and Casey. Then we have no sign of Caylee after that, and then Casey trying to stop her father from going in to the trunk about a week later. What's wrong with this picture. Help!!!!

The answers are inside your head January. Quit racking your brain. Relax. Your first instinct is probably the right one. :tonguewag:

bluwaters

01-09-2009, 03:40 PM

I fail to see where Casey's appearance at that hearing or any hearing has an relevance to her case. No one in that courtroom save her attorney cares how she is coping with incarceration. What is of importance is her appearance before the jury and you can bet that Jose will have her looking like little miss innocence.

It is extremely important that Casey be fully aware of all proceedings related to her case. Judge Strickland wants to be certain that Casey cannot claim later that things were done and she did not know anything about them.

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:41 PM

All I know is Casey killed Caylee. That much I'm sure of. Right now, LEANING towards murder as opposed to accidental killing.

respectfully snipped. You sure have that right. I was just playing along with the "come up with a theory" thing. But you are correct, too many lies and unknowns at this point.

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:42 PM

Aye!

A few years ago we had an epidemic whereby the deer were dropping dead. You could smell them in the woods, but the smell only lingered a few days in the open. Add to this there is no sidewalk by that area, and in June/July in Florida I would assume most people had their car windows rolled up and the a/c on. I doubt anyone got close enough to smell it, except to think, "Boy, that stinks." Nobody ever got as far as "I wonder what that smell is?" because nobody knew Caylee was missing at that point.

That is true. The only thing is that human decomp smells like nothing you have ever experienced. It's different than animal decomp. If someone were walking instead of driving they would know. IMO of course.

SavannahStar

01-09-2009, 03:42 PM

Okay so the last day Caylee was seen alive (the grandfather trip) was the 15th. The day that George wanted to get into the trunk of Casey's car is the 24th. That is about a week. This doesn't make sense to me. These doting grandparents, they have not seen Caylee around the house since the 15th and on the 24th they are NOT asking Casey where Caylee is? How is that possible when they all live in the same house.

This just doesn't add up. And the cops are not seeing this as STRANGE?

That's not true though. According to Cindy, she asked about Caylee all the time.

She said Casey always had an excuse why she couldn't talk to Caylee.

SavannahStar

01-09-2009, 03:43 PM

respectfully snipped. You sure have that right. I was just playing along with the "come up with a theory" thing. But you are correct, too many lies and unknowns at this point.

Oh hey not a problem. I enjoy reading everyone's theories. :smile:

101Spots

01-09-2009, 03:44 PM

Does anyone remember if it was June 15th when Cindy texted Casey and said, "We have a problem."? IIRC it was which would mean the problem is what lead up to the fight. Did Cindy find out on the 15th about grandpas money being stolen?

IIRC, it was July 15th, and referred to the Anthony's recovery of the car.

ETA: Already answered upstream. I'm soooooo behind.

daHawg

01-09-2009, 03:44 PM

yeah but sources are saying that they have overwhelming proof that it was intentional murder.

If they have duct tape around the skull that could be intentional murder holding a cloth soak in chloroform to her face. Committing an act of felony child abuse that ends in death is 1st degree murder. If the have tox screen on hair that shows habitual sedation that is too felony child abuse that ended in death. Which is intentional not accidental.

Pooh

01-09-2009, 03:45 PM

Reposting Shark's new thread....

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12635540&posted=1#post12635540

destiny1

01-09-2009, 03:45 PM

I believe Caylee was killed at home, possibly her bed and wrapped in a sheet. I believe that sheet was replaced with Cindys JC Pennys card.
I believe that is what cindy's fuss about the card was about.
I think she was killed at home.
My question is was it in the back yard and that is why the dogs hit? Or was it in the bedroom?

Did they take the dogs through the house? I've seen that done lots of times.

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:46 PM

Okay so apparently, we have Casey "moved out" temporarily with Caylee (except Caylee is dead) and Casey coming back to the house on a regular basis when the parents are home and even when they are not and nobody in this house thinks there is anything strange about it because it's happened before, I bet. That makes sense. I just wish I could figure out how she killed her and how she got her from the house to the backyard to the car without her parents knowing this. hmmmmmm hmmmmm hmmmmmm hmmmmmm hmmmmm.

She was using the phone to find out her parents location, call cell,call home, call work for each. Once she got a location on them and knew she had time, she' d head to the house, get what she needed and get out. Her Grandmother told someone in one of her emails how Casey would make arrangenets to meet Cindy somewhere and while Cindy went top that location in the hopes of seeing Caylee, Casey would sneak home and get whatever it was she wanted and leave. then call Cindy and cancel or just not show.

eagleeer

01-09-2009, 03:48 PM

That is true. The only thing is that human decomp smells like nothing you have ever experienced. It's different than animal decomp. If someone were walking instead of driving they would know. IMO of course.
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"If someone were walking instead of driving they would know."
The first part of your statement is absolutely true. However, the average person has never smelled human decomposition and the only thing they would know is that something stinks around here but would not be able to identify it by smell alone.

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:51 PM

Just a guess here, but it seems Casey might've disposed of some of Caylee's bedding when she disposed of Caylee. Calls to JCP might have been to see if they had replacement products she could purchase with Cindy's JCP credit card.

I thought it was to reactivate a card that was cancelled. She snuck to the house to call as I think she was pretending to be Cindy. Generally you have to call from a number that is on the account, or at least not a wireless number for security purposes.

Stella Rose

01-09-2009, 03:51 PM

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"If someone were walking instead of driving they would know."
The first part of your statement is absolutely true. However, the average person has never smelled human decomposition and the only thing they would know is that something stinks around here but would not be able to identify it by smell alone.

And Florida in June/July - everyone would have their AC on. Probably not a lot of activity outside in the heat of the day.

Neffy

01-09-2009, 03:53 PM

GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it was shortly after the lunchtime hour. I was watching a favorite show I like to watch on TV, a news...
CINDY ANTHONY: Before you go to work.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Yes, it's was a Food Channel thing I watched, so...
VAN SUSTEREN: And was it -- you were watching here in the living room.
GEORGE ANTHONY: Right, and I was sitting right here, almost in the same spot, just watching it, and saw my granddaughter and my daughter come out, you know, with their backpacks and...

From the Greta Van Susteren Interview with George and Cindy. It was George that mentioned the the Food Channel thing not Cindy. He also mentioned it in his interview with the FBI out of the presence of Cindy. Hope this clears up the food channel thing.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

Straight from the bedroom at 1ish with back packs on buh bye? I don't think so.

No bathroom, no breakfast, no playing around w/Caylee in the am just see ya?

Mimi428

01-09-2009, 03:55 PM

What could it be though - didn't the ME say the manner was homicide, but the cause was "unknown". It couldn't be something obvious like a broken neck or cracked skull. It almost has to be drugs or suffocation then, right? I

I think it does, too. Some sort of asphyxiation - outrightly suffocated, drugged then suffocated, something like that. Dr. G made it very plain that she would not discuss any other thing, on the day she announced the identity was confirmed to be Caylee, only the few little things like completely skeletonized, bones disarticulated, no VISIBLE soft tissue, etc.

So that leaves a whole lot of other things that might have been present. Things like duct tape or perhaps something like twine or rope or cord, which would still be in the circular shape, still tied, but fallen off the bones during the process of disarticulation. Who knows?!

JMO

101Spots

01-09-2009, 03:55 PM

ishkabibble

01-09-2009, 03:56 PM

This is a real POS if you ask me. She sets up an appointment with her mother, taunting her with the chance of seeing Caylee and then STEALS from her mothers house???? OMG this girl....I'm sorry this girl is horrible. I just want to know one thing. How do these people stand behind her and lie for her and cover up for her when she STEALS right from under their noses.

But Cindy tolerates it, why not change the locks, do something,!!! it just seems like they made it so easy for Casey to s**t on them. Just so sad.

eagleeer

01-09-2009, 04:01 PM

Straight from the bedroom at 1ish with back packs on buh bye? I don't think so.

No bathroom, no breakfast, no playing around w/Caylee in the am just see ya?

Not unusual for Casey, remember she was a night person. Could be that Caylee was up late and slept in with Casey.

kitty1182

01-09-2009, 04:03 PM

Sorry, but I would have choked Casey a long time ago. What took Cindy so long?

I would have too..The day she told her dad "here are your f----gas cans". he should have knocked her teeth down her throat..imo

Peter

01-09-2009, 04:07 PM

I believe that Legally the way I read the statutes, the tape in itself means it is no accident because anything obstructing the mouth and/or nose can kill in very short order.

Could the tape if it was on her mouth have chloroform residue on it?
Good afternoon all.

Neffy

01-09-2009, 04:08 PM

Not unusual for Casey, remember she was a night person. Could be that Caylee was up late and slept in with Casey.

I'm talking about George. He didn't see them until they had their backpacks on and were leaving?

He detailed the leave in what time it was, what they were wearing, what he was watching.

No other mention of seeing them that morning.

A somethings not right moment :)

No way does a child not make a peep or their presence known in the am.