Thursday, Jan 8, Part 1, morning

[Neffy]

Yea, its a little Mr Burns from the Simpsons voice.


ROFLMAO it is!

Why is conway there?

[Stella Rose]

This is the civil judge, Rodriguz? (sp?)

Thanks Pooh. I'm a dope. Got all freaked out thinking Strickland was gone and did not think.

[playnice]

Thanks all of you for the updates. You all are GREAT!!!!!!!!!!

[desmom]

Mr. Garcia wants to call JB as a witness. ZG's attorney objects. Mr. Garcia said JB is a part of this. Judge advices Mr. Garcia to approach. All attorneys go including JB...oops, Mr. Conway remains at table.

jmo

[bballgrl]

Oooh. And the judge tells the audience there will be absolutely no expression or you will be assisted out (paraphrased).

So.... No laughing at Baez? LOL :w00t:

[Shells2]

Wow... The Defense really has no clue in this...

[really3997]

not to be cheezy but this is better than Law and Order...sorry had to go there they are at side bar

[*MoonRider*]

The criminal trial is going to be a real hoot. Why is Conway there?

[kOOkie1]

Ughhh Im not liking this Judge very much!! He sounds crazzy:crying: ha!..Im so glad Casey has Baez & Co.!!!:sneaky:

[happygert]

BAEZ as a WITNESS? what the HEY is that about?? NO hes her attorney no hes now a witness??

[cloe23]

For once, I agree. It is tripping me out.

I wish I could zoom in on him. This very well could be the most soft and gentle murder trial in history.
I'm not creeped I'm more curious, a world of my own.
Catch that visual= using hands to form a square when talking about the law.

[Pooh]

Thanks Poo. I'm a dope. Got all freaked out thinking Strickland was gone and did not think.

No worries!! And you're no dope, Stella. :wink:

[funkyflower]

What does one call a group of attorneys like this? A gaggle? A herd?

I think I'll choose gaggle. The gaggle of attorneys don't seem to need to say much, as the judge seems to have arrived at his decision pre-hearing. IMO

[MalloryCat]

"May I invite you to approach?" I'm sorry but that was just CREEPY!!! Don't like the judges voice AT ALL.

Yeah, bring back Strickland STAT!

[psbperu]

Whoo Hooo, smackdown by the Judge to bumbling baez!!! I LOVE IT. :tongue:

Love the smackdown, I think the Judge is quite witty.

[Neffy]

putting baez in his place once again.,,,lol

*sigh* Slapdown again.

Baez asking court for a sedative.


I'd really like to know Why Conway is there as representative for the Anthony's.

[happygert]

The criminal trial is going to be a real hoot. Why is Conway there?

Maybe he's going to try and stop CA and GA depo. Looks like hes sided with baez

[Jeepers]

What purpose is it that Athony's attorney there?
Baez is such a stoop!

[Regina.Lampert]

Oooh. And the judge tells the audience there will be absolutely no expression or you will be assisted out (paraphrased).

LOL, I bet ya there were giggles, snickers and a snort or two. :tongueside:

[ccnsd]

Good morning posters,
Boy the Judge sure shut down Baez quick. Baez should take heed...his just a guppy in a large ocean.

[msgatorslayer]

Wow... The Defense really has no clue in this...

It's rather embarassing to watch. More like a law class mock hearing, lmao.

[Mimi428]

Wow... The Defense really has no clue in this...

I hate to hear that. The last thing this case needs is an attorney so incompetent that Casey will have 27 reasonable things to appeal on to get a conviction overturned.

Ugh.

[Carol25]

Slap down again and again...love it.

[*MoonRider*]

Judge is teaching Baez & Co. how a court works.

[happygert]

only if it would not incriminate her? Well did you say it was zfg that took Caylee....i take the 5th.....

[MiamiNice1]

I wanna see the FACE that belongs to that smarmy voice! :biggrin:

[kOOkie1]

Someone else coined him "condescending." I tend to agree.

Or maybe he's just SOOOO different from Judge Strickland???

I think thats a perfect word for him!... Yes very different from Strickland.(imo)

[happygert]

Someone else coined him "condescending." I tend to agree.

Or maybe he's just SOOOO different from Judge Strickland???

:crying: want Judge Strickland

[Carol25]

Can't Morgan just give the judge the original questions ahead of time?

[bballgrl]

Someone else coined him "condescending." I tend to agree.

Or maybe he's just SOOOO different from Judge Strickland???

I don't know. He is giving in to the whining of the Defense. That is what I see. I agree, he has already made his decision and this is all for the record only.... Not to actually make a difference. moo

[bchand]

I wanna see the FACE that belongs to that smarmy voice! :biggrin:

This is the clearest video I've come across so far.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18252756/index.html

[cloe23]

Thanks Poo. I'm a dope. Got all freaked out thinking Strickland was gone and did not think.

No I am the dope. I thought this was going to be the judge, I am beginning to have some concerns. Way to polite. TY and TY Poo

[~layla~]

So.... No laughing at Baez? LOL :w00t:

Jumping in here blind... so dont slay me yall... is there a live streaming link?

[really3997]

is it me or is the defense side not listening and just talking amongst themselves

[Mimi428]

I'd really like to know Why Conway is there as representative for the Anthony's.


<snipped>

That's easy. He is there because he clients have already been given notice to appear for depositions. They have had one postponement just after the remains were found & just before Christmas. On the chance that the judge allows the civil suit to proceed, they darn sure need the advice of their attorney on how to proceed if they are expecting another notice for deposition anytime soon.

Also - THEY have not counter-sued, & who knows, THEY might want to take the 5th in their own depositions - KWIM?

JMO

[psbperu]

Does anyone else have just a black screen w/sound?

I am using video from Wftv & audio from Myfoxorlando.

[Daffodil]

Anyone else having trouble with sound? I have WFTV for sound and WESh for picture!!

[desmom]

ZG's attorney said an example of one of the questions they would ask Casey is this the woman you said you gave your child too. If she says no, that will go along way. Casey's attorneys have stated in documents state she is not the ZG, but Casey has not.

(I think that is what he said - jmo)

[Pooh]

I am using video from Wftv & audio from Myfoxorlando.

HA! I am too!! That's funny.

[~layla~]

only if it would not incriminate her? Well did you say it was zfg that took Caylee....i take the 5th.....
haaa the court reporter could nap during this thing.. and repeat I take the 5th.... over and over and over..

[bchand]

So there is no picture I guess? Right?

http://www.wesh.com/video/18252756/index.html

[cloe23]

This is the clearest video I've come across so far.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18252756/index.html

Are you serious bchand? All I see is scramble:scared:

[Mimi428]

LOL, I bet ya there were giggles, snickers and a snort or two. :tongueside:

Lawdy, I hope not. It is not fun to be in a courtroom with people who do that after a judge has admonished against any noises. (been there, seen that).

We may not think Baez is dignified, but we SHOULD respect the dignity of the courtroom process.

JMO

[MiamiNice1]

This is the clearest video I've come across so far.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18252756/index.html

You're awesome - clearer, and even the sound is louder! Thanks!

[ishkabibble]

They want to do other things. Like X-rays & photographs.

Dr. H Lee made some very good points last night on Nancy G's show. The defense DOES have the right to compare what they find with what the prosecution has. If they are not allowed to conduct their own tests, that creates a very big problem for getting & maintaining a successful prosecution.

GRACE: And Dr. Lee, when do you believe you are heading back to Orlando?

LEE: Once we know the, you know, crime scene -- get the crime scene photo, laboratory report, then we can probably look into what tests have to confirm (ph), what additional tests should be done. So it`s all up to when the prosecution go to release their report and release the original photograph to us.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/07/ng.01.html

(underlining added by me)


they can do what ever tests they want during the second autopsy, it seemed to me that what Henry Lee was saying is they want to see the Prosecutions test results before they even conduct their own tests.
He got a little annoyed when Nancy pressed him on allowing the child to be buried. Once again, is it the expense of the testing they are trying to avoid or is it that they only want to challenge the Prosecutions results?

[bchand]

Are you serious bchand? All I see is scramble:scared:

lol sorry - it's working the best for me.

www.wftv.com has it also.

[Stella Rose]

I hate to hear that. The last thing this case needs is an attorney so incompetent that Casey will have 27 reasonable things to appeal on to get a conviction overturned.

Ugh.

I'll see your ugh, and raise you a gah! That is my biggest fear as well: Ineffective assistance of counsel. Immediate appeal.

[Pooh]

I don't think this is Mr. Morgan. I think Morgan (of Morgan and Morgan) has been doing the PR for the ZFG case his firm is handling, but i think the attorney representing ZFG is another lawyer in the firm.

Both Morgan and this guy have southern accents, but I'm 99% sure this isn't Morgan, himself.

I think so too. Garcia just called him by another name.

[msgatorslayer]

I don't think this is Mr. Morgan. I think Morgan (of Morgan and Morgan) has been doing the PR for the ZFG case his firm is handling, but i think the attorney representing ZFG is another lawyer in the firm.

Both Morgan and this guy have southern accents, but I'm 99% sure this isn't Morgan, himself.

Correct. Morgan is there, sitting down.

[Mimi428]

I don't know. He is giving in to the whining of the Defense. That is what I see. I agree, he has already made his decision and this is all for the record only.... Not to actually make a difference. moo

If the judge is agreeing with the defense, it will be based on legal principles - NOT on their whining.

[MiamiNice1]

So there is no picture I guess? Right?

All the links have live feed and we see all the action.....it's just from a distance and we cannot see the judge's face well.

imo

[cloe23]

intellectual exercise?:chicken:

[desmom]

Another sidebar.

[bchand]

I think so too. Garcia just called him by another name.

Right, his name is Mitnick.

[destiny1]

Can you BELIEVE the "lawyerr" offered to drop the counterclaim and DO IT LATER? duh?

[really3997]

I think so too. Garcia just called him by another name.

Morgan was the other attorney at the table

[*MoonRider*]

Baez needs to be removed as lead council in the murder case due to ineffective assistance of council. Team Baez acts like they don't know the rules of the court. Is this their first trial? YIKES

[bchand]

What time is the 2nd hearing? Anybody, plesase.


I have 1:30 written down from someone's post last night.

[desmom]

What time is the 2nd hearing? Anybody, plesase.


1:30 EST ~ I think.

[Daffodil]

My sound keeps cutting out on WESH. You would think in this day and age and with this case, all errors would be avoided.

[cloe23]

lol sorry - it's working the best for me.

www.wftv.com has it also.

I grabbed one that is working, no close ups of the judge tho.

[Pooh]

Can you BELIEVE the "lawyerr" offered to drop the counterclaim and DO IT LATER? duh?

HA! I heard that too! But he doesn't want to thwart justice or anything don't cha know......

[destiny1]

All the links have live feed and we see all the action.....it's just from a distance and we cannot see the judge's face well.

imo
I can put it full screen and can see a little better.

[Daffodil]

I don't understand why Baez is allowed to go up to the sidebar. Any one know or agree?

[msgatorslayer]

UGH. This is dragging on. I have to to scat and hope to get home in time for the next hearing. Will look forward to play by plays and links when I get back.:wink:

[happygert]

baez wants his cake and eat it to.. he cant have it both ways.. he filed the countersuit... he should have know the laws on this..why should zfg life be put on hold because of what casey did to her ....just not fair to her.

[ishkabibble]

Oh my goodness! I was thinking it was kinda sexy. LOL

No WAY!!! Creepy!!

[funkyflower]

intellectual exercise?:chicken:
Then we are watching YMCA water aerobics. IMO

[cuddlyrunner]

just got in-what am I watching on the video

[*MoonRider*]

Cool. Thanks! (Didn't even know he was there. These itty bitty, not close up camera shots ain't helping.)

I have a full screen. :biggrin:

What does Conway have to do with this?????

[MiamiNice1]

I can put it full screen and can see a little better.
Good idea! :thumbup:

[kOOkie1]

HA! I heard that too! But he doesn't want to thwart justice or anything don't cha know......

I wonder how long last night he practiced saying that word last night to not mess it up today! :tongueside:

[desmom]

baez wants his cake and eat it to.. he cant have it both ways.. he filed the countersuit... he should have know the laws on this..why should zfg life be put on hold because of what casey did to her ....just not fair to her.

I agree! 10 characters.

[bchand]

just got in-what am I watching on the video

The hearing as to whether the ZFG civil case can go forward now or have to wait til after the criminal trial.

[Shells2]

I'm guessing however Casey got hooked up with this Baez guy is definately karma... :rolleyes:

[really3997]

So will Conway be assisting Beaz on the release of pictures and xrays. Or will he be on the pros. side

[MalloryCat]

I agree! 10 characters.

Oh, now Zenaidas life is on hold?

Please.

[msgatorslayer]

Cool. Thanks! (Didn't even know he was there. These itty bitty, not close up camera shots ain't helping.)

YW. When ZFG first hired a lawyer I paid no attention. Days later, when he was on the Today show, I heard his voice and knew exactly who he was, lmao. Have been listening to his commercials for decades.

[happygert]

Can you BELIEVE the "lawyerr" offered to drop the counterclaim and DO IT LATER? duh?

baez should have not filed the claim period..

[bballgrl]

baez wants his cake and eat it to.. he cant have it both ways.. he filed the countersuit... he should have know the laws on this..why should zfg life be put on hold because of what casey did to her ....just not fair to her.


However, that's what it looks like will be happening. Unfortunately, the judge says that he can't force a plantiff to drop a suit and that is what he would be doing (in effect) if he forces a deposition at this time, because of potentially incriminating questions... This is all garbage. I realize it's the law, but it doesn't seem fair to ZFG to be put on hold!

[happygert]

OMG!! this is not right!!

[~layla~]

they can do what ever tests they want during the second autopsy, it seemed to me that what Henry Lee was saying is they want to see the Prosecutions test results before they even conduct their own tests.
He got a little annoyed when Nancy pressed him on allowing the child to be buried. Once again, is it the expense of the testing they are trying to avoid or is it that they only want to challenge the Prosecutions results?
Ill go with B... to challenge.
And they have done the second examination of the bones, as was admitted last night, what kept them from doing whatever it was they needed/wanted at that time? Certainly NOT the pros. They just want the safety and integrity of Caylee to remain sealed .... and for Baez to swear to his goal of the same.. suddenly Baez is saying.. thats not fair. Oh wait. He did that when the body was located and they wanted IN the crime scene ... as IF!

[Shells2]

DARN IT!!!!!!:cursing:

[destiny1]

No deposition at this time.

written interrogatories. if desired.

[Mimi428]

they can do what ever tests they want during the second autopsy, it seemed to me that what Henry Lee was saying is they want to see the Prosecutions test results before they even conduct their own tests.
He got a little annoyed when Nancy pressed him on allowing the child to be buried. Once again, is it the expense of the testing they are trying to avoid or is it that they only want to challenge the Prosecutions results?

As the defense team, they need to be able to challenge the prosecution's results, if there is something to challenge them on.

If they have not seen the photographs, they cannot know if they want repeats of the same photos, or different photos of different angles & stuff like that. Same with the x-rays. If they can't see them, they can't determine what they might want to do that would either verify or dispute them. So first they have to see them, then they have to decide what else they (defense might want) - then they have to take the images - in photo or x-ray or whatever.

Same with the tox results. Same with the hair. They first have to know what exists before they can make an educated determination on what THEY might want in addition.

JMO

[Shells2]

OMG!! this is not right!!


You are correct. This is not justice at all!

[bchand]

I have a full screen. :biggrin:

What does Conway have to do with this?????

Maybe he wants TV exposure too? Who knows.

I wonder how many civil trials are televised. This judge may be primping for the camera too for all we know.

Conway represents the Anthonys. There are involved in this case too. Morgan wants to depose them also so Conway has a vested interest in following the hearing. That's all I can figure.

[destiny1]

I knew that was going to happen...........DARN IT :cursing:

this is not all bad. they can have the writtens and depose her later.

[cloe23]

This judge won't hear the criminal trial. He's hearing the civil case (ZFG's) civil suit against the princess.

It's confusing, because Judge Strickland (who heard the criminal motions up to this point) is being rotated out, so we'll see a new criminal judge, too, at some point.

However, lololol, even though he's rotating out, I think we'll see Judge Strickland this afternoon for the motion about the x-rays and photos of the remains.

:blink:

Yea TY. I did figure that out but came in last. I will miss this afternoon.

[happygert]

OMG this judge .. this is WRONG!! once again camp casey gets its way..

[desmom]

Sidebar over ~

Judge explained ruling to lawyers.

The court will not allow the deposition to take place at this time. The court will allow written questions to be posed to Ms. Anthony. However he is not requiring ZG or her team to do so because they may want to wait to take the deposition.

They are 2 individuals before the court who have rights. Both of whom the court is required to protect. He believes the case should proceed with as least as possible of violating anyone's rights.

The process can continue in writing until a more proficient way can be determined.

jmo

[*MoonRider*]

Baez prevails despite his ignorance. :cursing:

[bballgrl]

No deposition at this time.

written interrogatories. if desired.

I absolutely hate this... Not fair at all!

[Pooh]

You are correct. This is not justice at all!

No justice for Zenida, that's for sure. Gotta protect the princess....

[destiny1]

OMG this judge .. this is WRONG!! once again camp casey gets its way..
They arent. They will still have to answer the written interrogatory and it gives ZFGs attorney the time also to pick and choose his line of questioning more carefully. Remember, the judge said that this did not preclude a later deposition.

[SavannahStar]

YW. When ZFG first hired a lawyer I paid no attention. Days later, when he was on the Today show, I heard his voice and knew exactly who he was, lmao. Have been listening to his commercials for decades.

Me too. We have a TON of these guys in FL, don't we msg? And they all have their own commericals! :laugh:

[Stella Rose]

How could the Judge rule this way. It seemed like such a no-brainer...
I do feel very bad for ZFG - and I think her life has been put on hold by this whole, horrible mess. What an injustice. Another ring just appeared at the circus, apparently

[bchand]

All I know is that when you hold an insurance policy you can not just ignore a lawsuit they might have to pay. You have a vested interest & responsibility in defending it or the Insurance company will do it for you at your expense. That is how it is in my State.

Looks like it's not an "all lose" situation. He's allowing written interrogatories right?

[Daffodil]

This is crazy????? No depostion but they can present written questions. Did I get that correct? The only difference is that they don't get to see Casey answer the questions and forfiet follow up questions at the moment.

[SavannahStar]

Sidebar over ~

Judge explained ruling to lawyers.

The court will not allow the deposition to take place at this time. The court will allow written questions to be posed to Ms. Anthony. However he is not requiring ZG or her team to do so because they may want to wait to take the deposition.

They are 2 individuals before the court who have rights. Both of whom the court is required to protect. He believes the case should proceed with as least as possible of violating anyone's rights.

The process can continue in writing until a more proficient way can be determined.

jmo

Thank you desmom.

[desmom]

Looks like it's not an "all lose" situation. He's allowed written interrogatories right?

That is what I understand Bchand and Casey has 30 days to respond to the questions.

[court~critic1®]

Just another ruleing to coddle the perp.

It is about time victims get some justice on their side. Never going to happen as far as I can see.

:cursing: :cursing:

[JHP]

Me too. We have a TON of these guys in FL, don't we msg? And they all have their own commericals! :laugh:

I think Morgan was one of the first. I stay away from lawyers with commercials.

[bchand]

That is what I understand Bchand and Casey has 30 days to respond to the questions.

Good.

Looks the Mr. Garcia has good manners too. He reached out for Zenaida's attorneys and shook their hands.

[Jeepers]

Well, I did not get my wish. I wanted the video deposition. I think Mr. Morgan wanted to see her squirm too.
But all in time I guess.

[dgfred]

Well I don't understand the importance of having the suit/etc right now.

Of course a murder trial will take precedence over this suit. And in any event, although Casey used her name, didn't she or her attorny state that this wasn't the same Z that Casey had supposidly known? How could they possibly make Casey testify in a civil case when she is going to be tried for murder? How could Casey (or family) be held liable anyway for using the name but saying it was not the Zanny she was speaking of? I know this suit is not frivolous, but the timing is pretty poor.

[Mimi428]

OMG this judge .. this is WRONG!! once again camp casey gets its way..

How is it wrong if it follows the legal principles which have already been in place, LONG before Casey was ever born?

This is not the first case & I'm sure it won't be the last case, in which a civil suit is placed on the backburner until after the criminal case is adjudicated.

NO defendant is so vile & NO victim is so precious that it is worth throwing out the constitution. Keep your eye on the prize - which is that we want a fair trial, with adequate defense representation, so that any conviction is proper & can be UPHELD.

JMO

[Daffodil]

The wheels of justice grind slowly... but surely! Don't give up the hope!

Thanks Bratlings. You are correct.

[Carol25]

Good question on Conway. Why was he there?

[Motomom]

Is Casey going to show up at any of these hearings?? She wasn't there for this one that I saw was she? What about the one at 1:30?? IMO it should be mandatory that she be there.. makes me sick.

[kitty1182]

I'm back..Are ya'll watching this live anywhere or is it over?

[Stella Rose]

The more I think on this ruling, I wonder if it could it actually be beneficial for the criminal case - there will be less things for Casey's attorney to throw out in an appeal attempt. Could be wrong...

[happygert]

PPOF wins again. No filmed depo, in wiritng only if the state chooses to at this time.....da da da da

baez surely wants to keep casey off any kind of videos .....ummmm

[court~critic1®]

The wheels of justice grind slowly... but surely! Don't give up the hope!


Tks for replying, but I gave up hope a very long time ago. When it comes to the perps against victims. The perps always wins.

[Mimi428]

No deposition at this time.

written interrogatories. if desired.

Makes sense to me. They would be sending them out anyway, I am sure. Get that part completed & then when the time arrives for the depositions they can move along.

JMO

[Daffodil]

How is it wrong if it follows the legal principles which have already been in place, LONG before Casey was ever born?

This is not the first case & I'm sure it won't be the last case, in which a civil suit is placed on the backburner until after the criminal case is adjudicated.

NO defendant is so vile & NO victim is so precious that it is worth throwing out the constitution. Keep your eye on the prize - which is that we want a fair trial, with adequate defense representation, so that any conviction is proper & can be UPHELD.

JMO


Thank you Mimi. That is also correct.

[happygert]

I'm back..Are ya'll watching this live anywhere or is it over?

its over......

[Pooh]

I'm back..Are ya'll watching this live anywhere or is it over?

it's over. Casey got her way. THIS time....

[bballgrl]

This is crazy????? No depostion but they can present written questions. Did I get that correct? The only difference is that they don't get to see Casey answer the questions and forfiet follow up questions at the moment.

Am I right in assuming that the questions go through the Defense first? If so, how is this a good thing. They just tell her how to answer... Geez

[cloe23]

Anyone know how ZFG would profit from this suite?
Was she wanting money?
If not she should be called to testify for the prosecution, to prove there is no nanny and that ZFG only filled out an application at Saw grass.

[Jeepers]

baez should have not filed the claim period..

Like I said he is a stoop. Nobody in their right mind would have filed that knowing that their client made the circumstatnces up and that Zanny is not the Nanny.

He is about as delusional as KC is.

They make a great couple- Dumb and Dumber

[funkyflower]

I think it was a good outcome. IMO, Casey is probably starving for some live attention. I don't want to "feed" her with a camera in front of her face and people buzzing around her.. She'd love it TOO much.

:thumbsup:

ZFG will get her day.

[CC I See]

Good question on Conway. Why was he there?
.... because the Anthony's just might be included at a later date in the law suit since they have also stated that Zenaida Gonzales took Caylee like it was fact.

[PROPROS]

OMG this judge .. this is WRONG!! once again camp casey gets its way..They have to win once in awhile...Not a complete washout though...Too bad...I love hearing "motion denied":mad:mo

[happygert]

Is Casey going to show up at any of these hearings?? She wasn't there for this one that I saw was she? What about the one at 1:30?? IMO it should be mandatory that she be there.. makes me sick.

nope she wont be there either. heck they probably have to drag her to her own hearing,, she probably wont even show up for it.. wouldn't surprise me none. if she choose to wacth it on tv from her cell..

[kitty1182]

it's over. Casey got her way. THIS time....



That's ok, there is a next time..:wink:

[Mimi428]

No justice for Zenida, that's for sure. Gotta protect the princess....

Protect the princess???

No WAY. The constitution is what is being protected. Has nothing to do with Baez or Casey.

The judge is deciding on legal principles, already established. It really is just that simple.

JMO

[bchand]

Makes sense to me. They would be sending them out anyway, I am sure. Get that part completed & then when the time arrives for the depositions they can move along.

JMO

You make very good sense Mimi. You KNOW we all just wanted Casey to be forced to face Mr. Morgan. That won't happen for now.

BBL for the next hearing. Ugh Bozo WILL be allowed to bluster in that one.

[happygert]

They have to win once in awhile...Not a complete washout though...Too bad...I love hearing "motion denied":mad:mo

me too.. I'm not real sure about this judge..:shrug:

[Daffodil]

.... because the Anthony's just might be included at a later date in the law suit since they have also stated that Zenaida Gonzales took Caylee like it was fact.

Yes, but was this just about Casey? Was this hearing to include witnesses? Are the A's required to be deposed? Can they do that now?

[Roux]

How is it wrong if it follows the legal principles which have already been in place, LONG before Casey was ever born?

This is not the first case & I'm sure it won't be the last case, in which a civil suit is placed on the backburner until after the criminal case is adjudicated.

NO defendant is so vile & NO victim is so precious that it is worth throwing out the constitution. Keep your eye on the prize - which is that we want a fair trial, with adequate defense representation, so that any conviction is proper & can be UPHELD.

JMO

Just think about poor Lana Clarkson's mother -- how long she's had to wait to proceed with her civil suit against PS. So unfair, IMO, due to his delays.

[NikkiG77058]

This is crazy????? No depostion but they can present written questions. Did I get that correct? The only difference is that they don't get to see Casey answer the questions and forfiet follow up questions at the moment.

The written Q&A is precisely what Z's attny was opposed to...he said he wanted the spontaneity of her expressions, etc when answering his questions. I think he should be able to ask the questions directly. IMO

[cloe23]

If this case went through then none of ZGF stuff could come into the murder trial? Wouldn't it be treated like a bad prior on Casey's behalf?
I would think this would be a good thing for the prosecution.

[september]

I'm watching WFTV (http://www.wftv.com/video/18437399/index.html) larger brighter screen but Fox (http://mfile.akamai.com/25193/live/reflector:32415.asx) has better audio


Elle, thanks so much for the links. I had hope Insession would break from this canned trial......I'm a optimist!

I got in just in time to see the decision. Live deposition rejected but the Gonzalas lawyers can ask questions in writing. So the defamation suite will proceed.

I am convinced (and its just a hunch) that Casey is pregnant and that's why she is not appearing at these hearings. She is too much of a drama queen not to want this time in the spotlight. The pictures of her being arrested the last time in the white blouse was what first caught my attention. It's just suspicion but her failure to appear, to see her family(which would be taped) just reinforces my suspicion.

[BJames]

I was thinking about another dog Baez may have in this run...

IF ZFG did win a civil suit against Casey (especially before trial)...would ZFG have a claim on any of the money that is being made off of the sale of 'all things Caylee'?

Anyone know? Thanks in advance...

[happygert]

Protect the princess???

No WAY. The constitution is what is being protected. Has nothing to do with Baez or Casey.

The judge is deciding on legal principles, already established. It really is just that simple.

JMO

IMO then he should let the video taped depo go through.. Why should casey get her cake and eat it too? She started this whole mess.. Screwed up a womans life and now she gets to sit back oncwe again and basicaly let her attorney answer the questions.. Does that seem fair to you? All the while ZFG has 6 kids to feed? Nope not fair at all.

[Carol25]

Protect the princess???

No WAY. The constitution is what is being protected. Has nothing to do with Baez or Casey.

The judge is deciding on legal principles, already established. It really is just that simple.

JMO
Yeah. it's better to protect the conviction of Casey from any possible appeals becuase of any questions on this deposition. If that was possible.

[?noanswer]

Tks for replying, but I gave up hope a very long time ago. When it comes to the perps against victims. The perps always wins.


This Judge's ruling was to be expected. Most, if not all, of these types of cases have to wait until the criminal trial is over. What complicated this one is the fact that Baez filed his counterclaim. If he had not done that, I don't think there would have been any question as to whether the depos would have to wait until after the criminal trial.

The only good thing about this hearing was the fact that it further illustrates the ineptness of JB.

I wasn't impressed with the Judge's attempt at humor. Court rooms are not the place for humor. The only time I could see where humor in a courtroom would be appropiate is when the tension becomes unbearable. A little levity at that time might tend to bring things under control. JMO

[PROPROS]

Me too. We have a TON of these guys in FL, don't we msg? And they all have their own commericals! :laugh:Our guy here in So.Ca. is Larry H. Parker...."Let me fight for you"...then this man (who has been doing commercials with him forever) says..Larry got me ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!mo

[Daffodil]

The written Q&A is precisely what Z's attny was opposed to...he said he wanted the spontaneity of her expressions, etc when answering his questions. I think he should be able to ask the questions directly. IMO

Yes, of course. So I don't really understand the decision if questions are going to be presented anyway.

What is the 1:30 hearing about?

I have to do some housework!!!! I'll be back later.

[cloe23]

I think it was a good outcome. IMO, Casey is probably starving for some live attention. I don't want to "feed" her with a camera in front of her face and people buzzing around her.. She'd love it TOO much.

:thumbsup:

ZFG will get her day.

I'm with ya 100%

[Mimi428]

Tks for replying, but I gave up hope a very long time ago. When it comes to the perps against victims. The perps always wins.

Nooooo. No, no, no.

The jails are full this very moment of people who have been properly convicted of the crimes they were charged with.

[dgfred]

I think the timing is fine, if you believe that ZFG's life has been turned upside down and put on hold thanks to Casey Anthony. That seems to be the central point of the defense's argument. ZFG wants her life back -- now.

As far as this not being the ZFG -- I have to believe that the depo questions planned for the princess are geared toward shoving her even farther out on her limb with regard to just which ZFG she's accusing. The only ZFG located who was even close to Casey's orbit during the period when Caylee went missing is this ZFG.

Dang it! I was so looking forward to seeing Casey, live and in person, being deposed. :mad:

But really since Casey/her attorny said the ZFG is NOT the one she was speaking/lying about, her life should not be 'upside down'. Even if she is the only one in Casey's orbit... they said she is not the one that
took Caylee.

[happygert]

IMO baez and company will be smirking all the way back to the jail..probably having pc right now....

[callmetree]

IMO then he should let the video taped depo go through.. Why should casey get her cake and eat it too? She started this whole mess.. Screwed up a womans life and now she gets to sit back oncwe again and basicaly let her attorney answer the questions.. Does that seem fair to you? All the while ZFG has 6 kids to feed? Nope not fair at all.

i agree with you gert. but i do feel like casey will get what she deserves in the end. ay least my heart tells mr she will.:mellow:

[MiamiNice1]

The more I think on this ruling, I wonder if it could it actually be beneficial for the criminal case - there will be less things for Casey's attorney to throw out in an appeal attempt. Could be wrong...
There is always a silver lining. Good observation.

imo

[bballgrl]

i agree with you gert. but i do feel like casey will get what she deserves in the end. ay least my heart tells mr she will.:mellow:


God, I hope you are correct tree. I can't fathom her getting out of jail! :thumbdown:

[Daffodil]

Casey has said that this is not the right ZFG, LE has said that this is not the right ZFG, what else would clear ZFG's name? Why isn't the employer that fired her being sued for wrongful termination?

JMO

You know what I think Mr. Luck? I think that maybe, just maybe, ZFG and her lawyer may think that this case may help the prosecution in the murder case.

[Regina.Lampert]

John Morgan knew the Judge would never force the odious creature into depositions, I think he is very pleased with today's decisions. Don't think he's going to tip off the OC as to what questions he wants answers to either.

I think she's between a rock and a hard place with her first statements to Allen and Melich about Sawgrass and ZFG. baez is going to have his hands full explaining that statement away during trial and John Morgan will be all ears as to what is said about his client during the criminal trial. After which, he will set his civil action into full swing, imo.

The anthony's are getting exactly what they deserve, for all the lies regarding this woman. I would like to see Ricardo, Amy and Jesse Grund file suit also, for the hits they took courtesy of cynthia, george, lee and the OC.

[PROPROS]

IMO baez and company will be smirking all the way back to the jail..probably having pc right now....The day is still young....mo

[Katprint]

I think Morgan was one of the first. I stay away from lawyers with commercials.
On the flip side, it costs a lot of money to advertise, and having money to burn like that is a sign of a successful law practice which in turn is a sign of a competent attorney.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[callmetree]

God, I hope you are correct tree. I can't fathom her getting out of jail! :thumbdown:

i can't either. but there are times that i think back to another case that i never thought would come up with a not guilty verdict. it simply makes me sick to my stomach. all we can do i guess is hope a good jury is selected.

[Pooh]

i agree with you gert. but i do feel like casey will get what she deserves in the end. ay least my heart tells mr she will.:mellow:

ITA with you on that. I just hope Zenida also finds justice in the mess Casey made for her.

Gotta run to the doc so will miss the next hearing. I'll check the links thread later on. See ya all you wonderful people! :seeya:

[trich]

Do I understand correctly that they can aks questions of Casey only she does not have to do it under oath?
I have been in and out and not sure if that is it in a nutshell.
someone please help me out here.

[MiamiNice1]

John Morgan knew the Judge would never force the odious creature into depositions, I think he is very pleased with today's decisions. Don't think he's going to tip off the OC as to what questions he wants answers to either.

I think she's between a rock and a hard place with her first statements to Allen and Melich about Sawgrass and ZFG. baez is going to have his hands full explaining that statement away during trial and John Morgan will be all ears as to what is said about his client during the criminal trial. After which, he will set his civil action into full swing, imo.

The anthony's are getting exactly what they deserve, for all the lies regarding this woman. I would like to see Ricardo, Amy and Jesse Grund file suit also, for the hits they took courtesy of cynthia, george, lee and the OC.
Sounds like Casey and maybe even the Anthonys are being beautifully "boxed in" with nowhere to turn. They are in an impossible situation now.

imo

[Pooh]

Do I understand correctly that they can aks questions of Casey only she does not have to do it under oath?
I have been in and out and not sure if that is it in a nutshell.
someone please help me out here.

Casey will be under oath, the questions will be in writing and she has 30 days to respond.

[happygert]

i agree with you gert. but i do feel like casey will get what she deserves in the end. ay least my heart tells mr she will.:mellow:

Is there any PC from any of them?

It just boils my blood thinking about this poor woman another victim of ca. and her sitting behind bars ordering snacks and napping while this poor lady is struggling to survive with her kids..

[callmetree]

ITA with you on that. I just hope Zenida also finds justice in the mess Casey made for her.

Gotta run to the doc so will miss the next hearing. I'll check the links thread later on. See ya all you wonderful people! :seeya:

good luck & take care!

[RockStarGirl]

Good Afternoon Everyone. I'm just popping in here from lurking most of the time. I have a question for anyone that has more legal knowledge than myself. I was wondering if this civil case could hurt the murder trial if it were to go through first? I'm thinking that maybe someone gave Casey this ZFG name. Someone that lives at Sawgrass Apt., maybe Annie? Remember we haven't seen her statement yet at all! What if Annie somehow, maybe completely unknowingly gave Casey this name, Casey felt like it matched the "Zanny the Nanny" story she had been giving, even though it was really "Xanax the Nanny". Maybe Annie can testify to this in the murder trial and if she were made to testify to it in the civil trial first, would that testimony not be allowed in the murder trial? If this is the case than I think it will be really important testimony in the murder trial. And than I would agree completely with putting the civil tril on hold. Is it fair to ZFG? Probably not, but unfortunately that happens sometimes. I hope that makes sense to someone. I'm not sure how clear I made it. Thanks to anyone who knows or at least understands my question. :smile:

[BJames]

On the flip side, it costs a lot of money to advertise, and having money to burn like that is a sign of a successful law practice which in turn is a sign of a competent attorney.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I do agree Katprint...

Could I bend your mind for a moment for a question I asked upstream for a moment please?

If ZFG could depose and win a civil suit over Casey Anthony, would ZFG have any standing in trying to get any of the money that Casey is making (and/or signed over to Baez) on 'all things Caylee' as a financial claim?

Thanks in advance if you know :)

[happygert]

Casey will be under oath, the questions will be in writing and she has 30 days to respond.

Yes she does.. BUt the problem with that is baez will be dictating the answers.....

[destiny1]

John Morgan knew the Judge would never force the odious creature into depositions, I think he is very pleased with today's decisions. Don't think he's going to tip off the OC as to what questions he wants answers to either.

I think she's between a rock and a hard place with her first statements to Allen and Melich about Sawgrass and ZFG. baez is going to have his hands full explaining that statement away during trial and John Morgan will be all ears as to what is said about his client during the criminal trial. After which, he will set his civil action into full swing, imo.

The anthony's are getting exactly what they deserve, for all the lies regarding this woman. I would like to see Ricardo, Amy and Jesse Grund file suit also, for the hits they took courtesy of cynthia, george, lee and the OC.



I beliewve that if she answers an interrogatory, it will only give her and that odious defense attorney of hers enough rope to hang themselves. They WILL screw up, somehow. They seem to most of the time.

[dgfred]

I agree with you, that is the main reason it.

JMO

But they had to know the suit would not go through before the murder trial... so how could it really help?

[Pooh]

Yes she does.. BUt the problem with that is baez will be dictating the answers.....

Agreed but what a slipperly slope for Baez to be on. His footing hasn't been that great so far. :lol:

[DebinNv]

Do I understand correctly that they can aks questions of Casey only she does not have to do it under oath?
I have been in and out and not sure if that is it in a nutshell.
someone please help me out here.

Here in Nv. the court reporter swears in the witness before the deposition. I don't know about Fla, tho.

Jmo

[BJames]

Sounds like Casey and maybe even the Anthonys are being beautifully "boxed in" with nowhere to turn. They are in an impossible situation now.

imo

I can see that and will agree MiamiNice..the Anthony's may be asking LE for immunity...but depending on what has truly been going on and what they had asserted? There are more fish in the sea out there waiting for their turn...

Just my opinion of course..

[Katprint]

John Morgan knew the Judge would never force the odious creature into depositions, I think he is very pleased with today's decisions. <respectfully snipped>
I agree. I watched the tail end of today's hearing. Mr. Morgan comes across as an experienced attorney who knows what's what. This issue comes up all the time, as criminal conduct often injures third parties who sue the culprit but of course the civil case has to wait until the criminal case is over (unless the defense attorney is a doofus who files a frivolous cross-complaint against the plaintiff.)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[lonetraveler]

How is it wrong if it follows the legal principles which have already been in place, LONG before Casey was ever born?

This is not the first case & I'm sure it won't be the last case, in which a civil suit is placed on the backburner until after the criminal case is adjudicated.

NO defendant is so vile & NO victim is so precious that it is worth throwing out the constitution. Keep your eye on the prize - which is that we want a fair trial, with adequate defense representation, so that any conviction is proper & can be UPHELD.

JMO

---
ITA with your post. However, look at the Michelle Young case on this board. Her husband, a suspect in her murder has not been charged with the murder, but was found guilty of her murder in a "Wrongful Death Suit" on December 5, 2008. I for one think that he is guilty of the murder and many besides me wonder why he has not been charged with her murder, maybe soon.

I do hope that the law is followed to the "T" concerning Casey Anthony. I do not want to see her being tried and then being set free on a technicality. Although it is frustrating, I do hope every "T" is crossed, every "I" dotted in this case.

[destiny1]

Agreed but what a slipperly slope for Baez to be on. His footing hasn't been that great so far. :lol:
And face it, he is neither athletic nor graceful.

[?noanswer]

Or maybe no other reputable place wanted to be associated with this circus. I wouldn't want to be if I owned a nice respectable funeral home. The press will be all over it and bring unwanted attention when most of the FH's regard themselves as a sanctuary of respect for the dead. (Of sorts, that is)

Wonder if the County has a contract with this funeral home to pick up any bodies that another party wants to do an autopsy if that party does not provide a place for the remains. JMO

[happygert]

But they had to know the suit would not go through before the murder trial... so how could it really help?

baez is the one who filed a counter claim, to sue ZFG .. now he wants to put it on back burner? he filed this claim KNOWING she was CHARGED with MURDER. That sucks in my book..the video depo's should have been allowed....mo

[happygert]

Maybe she wanted to roll her hair?:biggrin:


:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

:lol: .........

[ishkabibble]

As the defense team, they need to be able to challenge the prosecution's results, if there is something to challenge them on.

If they have not seen the photographs, they cannot know if they want repeats of the same photos, or different photos of different angles & stuff like that. Same with the x-rays. If they can't see them, they can't determine what they might want to do that would either verify or dispute them. So first they have to see them, then they have to decide what else they (defense might want) - then they have to take the images - in photo or x-ray or whatever.

Same with the tox results. Same with the hair. They first have to know what exists before they can make an educated determination on what THEY might want in addition.

JMO

Great points, but I would still think that professionals of this caliber, who repeatedly state that they are unbiased, should know precisely what exams, xrays tests etc need to be done and do them. Should there be a disagreement on the conclusions drawn on either their results or those of the Prosecution, well that's what the trial is for. let each side present their arguments and have the jury decide.

[happygert]

Doesn't matter. Casey picked the name of someone who happens to exist, she, her attorney and her family ran with that name, and the accusations have interrupted ZFG's life. The fact Casey continues to lie is irrelevant, imo. Of course she and her attorney will maintain this isn't the ZFG, because a) it's convenient and b) the ZFG doesn't exist. Whether or not the suit goes anywhere, I'm glad it was filed. In a perfect world, perps should be held accountable for all the peripheral damage they do.

Imo, etc.

Yes ITA.. .........

[?noanswer]

Jean Casarez is reporting she has spoken with the son of Dr. Werner Spitz & he has confirmed that Dr. Spitz has gone to Georgia & preformed an autopsy on the remains of Caylee.

I think some of these defense team members are a little dense, but I sure hope he did not do an autopsy in Georgia!! Just kidding you, I'm sure it was FL. JMO

[RockStarGirl]

And face it, he is neither athletic nor graceful.

Yes, ITA, also, the answers will now be in writing and signed. I think that may hold a little more weight. They could never say that they didn't have time to remember events, etc. because it was live. KWIM?

[Dells]

Apparently not. This was explained yesterday in one of the linked news articles.......There's something called "Sword and the Shield" argument....when Baez filed the counter suit....it forced Casey to not be able to "hide behind the shield" of the 5th Amendment. (yaaay!)

This is a verrrrry loose explanation.


imo

I think that's a very big blunder on Baez's part.

[marshmallow]

Casey will be under oath, the questions will be in writing and she has 30 days to respond.

I like this decision, less appeal material for Casey. Also, it keeps the weight hanging over her and ties up Baez's hands a little more on the "Zanny the kidnapping nanny" defense. He has to carefully watch every word he uses when talking about the nanny.
It severely limits what he can vaguely illude to.

It also allows the lawyers for ZG to call Casey/Cindy on every story told about ZG.

[MiamiNice1]

I can see that and will agree MiamiNice..the Anthony's may be asking LE for immunity...but depending on what has truly been going on and what they had asserted? There are more fish in the sea out there waiting for their turn...

Just my opinion of course..
....and a good opinion it is, BJames! :)

[Mimi428]

Okay, so there will be no oral deposition, but Team Casey has 30 days to respond to ZFG's request for a written deposition. Do I have that right?

So ZFG's attorney will submit a list of questions, and that list will be returned with Casey's "I take the 5th" on each and every one of them?

Sort of takes all the fun out of it. At least if she's going to take the 5th, I'd like to see her squirm as she repeats it, ORALLY, over and over. Sheesh.

I can't agree that it takes the fun out of it. Let's say that all the parties are sent interrogatories. Written questions. Fill in your answers & send them back. OK. (this includes ALL the Anthonys). In one year's time (ballpark figure) - depositions begin.

Could YOU remember with perfect accuracy what you wrote down a year ago? Is it possible that what they might write down next week could be something that they sure wouldn't write down the exact same way AFTER the criminal trial happens?

I think it is very possible, especially with the senior Anthonys, that they what they would put down on paper next week could be very different than what they would testify to in criminal court - & what they would personally gives as answers in depositions in a civil suit later on. Right now, they have no idea how the prosecution's case will be laid out in the criminal court. They have no idea how Baez may attempt to throw them under the bus. They have no idea what phone records exist for other people, what Casey's friends & acquaintances said & will say.

So...for them to be locked into answers already, even if only on paper, is a GOOD thing.

JMO

[Neffy]

If the Anthony's aren't parties to this lawsuit there is no reason why Conway should have been allowed to be there.

Something else is up that Conway and Baez has allied about.

My gut feeling is during the trial they are going to point the finger at each other somehow really muddy the waters up confusing the jury.

I don't like it as in having a bad feeling about this where things they do will not seem as they appear. It's all strategy.

[desmom]

Casey's Defense Team Gets Legal Victory In Civil Suit
http://www.wftv.com/news/18436005/detail.html#-

Casey Anthony Not Required To Give Deposition
http://www.wesh.com/news/18436051/detail.html

Judge: No video deposition of Casey Anthony in defamation case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story

Judge Denies Deposition In Anthony Defamation Suit
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/8/hearing_in_casey_anthony_case_set_for_thursday.htm l

Casey Anthony won't be deposed from jail
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8214118&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

[Katprint]

I do agree Katprint...

Could I bend your mind for a moment for a question I asked upstream for a moment please?

If ZFG could depose and win a civil suit over Casey Anthony, would ZFG have any standing in trying to get any of the money that Casey is making (and/or signed over to Baez) on 'all things Caylee' as a financial claim?

Thanks in advance if you know :)
Probably not.

IMO the money being made off of the exploitation of Caylee's image belongs to Caylee's estate. I am aware that no probate case has been opened yet, but every decedent has an estate even if that estate is small or consists only of debts or of potential claims against other people, for example, the right to file a wrongful death lawsuit. The way that Casey would get money from "all things Caylee" would be to inherit Caylee's estate.

I think that Casey will be disqualified from inheriting based on the Florida slayer statute. Even if Casey is not convicted "beyond a reasonable doubt" in the criminal case, the slayer statute would still apply if she "more likely than not" (preponderance) killed Caylee.

If Casey is disqualified from inheriting, then the money in Caylee's estate would not be available to pay civil claims against Casey by ZFG, Amy, Target, Bank of America, or anybody else.

However, I think that Part Two of the ZFG case will be a lawsuit against Jose Baez (and Casey) for malicious prosecution based on the frivolous cross-complaint. Baez may not be as judgment-proof as Casey although I expect his poor wife and kids would be the ones who really end up footing the bill.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[PROPROS]

Doesn't matter. Casey picked the name of someone who happens to exist, she, her attorney and her family ran with that name, and the accusations have interrupted ZFG's life. The fact Casey continues to lie is irrelevant, imo. Of course she and her attorney will maintain this isn't the ZFG, because a) it's convenient and b) the ZFG doesn't exist. Whether or not the suit goes anywhere, I'm glad it was filed. In a perfect world, perps should be held accountable for all the peripheral damage they do.

Imo, etc.I agree...This will follow her for the remainder of her life...mo

[MiamiNice1]

I think that's a very big blunder on Baez's part.
Yes, but now they're saying Baez can drop the countersuit ("the sword"), and if I'm not mistaken, only then can Casey plead the Fifth and hide behind "the shield" .


imo

[joolz]

Shoot, missed the hearing! What time is the next one? TIA

[Dells]

...........Georgia?

I was thinking the same thing...:unsure:

[boo]

Our guy here in So.Ca. is Larry H. Parker...."Let me fight for you"...then this man (who has been doing commercials with him forever) says..Larry got me ONE MILLION DOLLARS!!mo

No, no, no, Prospros, you're doing it all wrong!

Larry Parker got me TWO POINT ONE MILLION DOLLARS

:laugh:

[callmetree]

Casey's Defense Team Gets Legal Victory In Civil Suit
http://www.wftv.com/news/18436005/detail.html#-

Casey Anthony Not Required To Give Deposition
http://www.wesh.com/news/18436051/detail.html

Judge: No video deposition of Casey Anthony in defamation case
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-casey-anthony-civil-hearing-010809,0,4465826.story

Judge Denies Deposition In Anthony Defamation Suit
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/8/hearing_in_casey_anthony_case_set_for_thursday.htm l

Casey Anthony won't be deposed from jail
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8214118&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

thanks for the links des!

[Stella Rose]

To fool all the people on message boards...

Lucky, I think I love ya! You took the thought right out of my head. Just to give all of us something else to wonder over. Nice!

[Jpanda]

You really think shes knocked up, and we wouldn't have heard a peep about it?

No way is she knocked up, IMO. She seemed to get skinnier while she was out on jail, not chubbier.

JMO

[september]

Well I don't understand the importance of having the suit/etc right now.

Of course a murder trial will take precedence over this suit. And in any event, although Casey used her name, didn't she or her attorny state that this wasn't the same Z that Casey had supposidly known? How could they possibly make Casey testify in a civil case when she is going to be tried for murder? How could Casey (or family) be held liable anyway for using the name but saying it was not the Zanny she was speaking of? I know this suit is not frivolous, but the timing is pretty poor.

IIRC she did more than use a name, 1)she described a car similar to the one driven by this Zanny and 2)this is the only Zanny connected to the Sawgrass Apts.

[spiritwolf46]

BOMBSHELL! Baez caught trying to escape in the jungle! Trouble being smelled!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/spiritwolf46/monkey.jpg

[Stella Rose]

Yes, ITA, also, the answers will now be in writing and signed. I think that may hold a little more weight. They could never say that they didn't have time to remember events, etc. because it was live. KWIM?

another excellent thought. I'm hopeful this was the best outcome for the hearing today.

[desmom]

shoot, missed the hearing! What time is the next one? Tia

1:30 est.....

[SavannahStar]

You really think shes knocked up, and we wouldn't have heard a peep about it?


I sure don't. I don't understand why people even think this. :confused:

[destiny1]

BOMBSHELL! Baez caught trying to escape in the jungle! Trouble being smelled!

http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/spiritwolf46/monkey.jpg

:lol: OMG :lol:

[destiny1]

I sure don't. I don't understand why people even think this. :confused:

Let us pray that such an intestinal parasite as she would not reproduce ever again.

[ruth66]

Can't answer your employer question, however, Casey imo needs to be nailed down much tighter on who, exactly, the right ZFG is. This ZFG is the only ZFG LE was able to locate in the area with any connection, even a very loose one, to the lies Casey told.

LE didn't say this wasn't the right ZFG, did they? They said Casey's ZFG simply doesn't exist.

I do understand this suit, because Casey picked a random name of someone she decided to finger, and somehow the Sawgrass apartments are tied in -- which is the primary connection to this ZFG -- and so this ZFG, the only ZFG in the area with any tie to the Sawgrass, has her life interrupted.


And not only did Casey finger her, but her family ran with it as well.

Bottom line, for me, is that if Casey can do what she did and be protected by our laws, then ZFG should have the right to protection as well.

I agree but I don't think ZFG was a "random name". I believe in coincidences, but one of this magnitude is not a "coincidence", if it is Casey should have bought a lottery ticket before she was incarcerated. She somehow was so lucky in picking the name and exact apt. looked at by ZFG around that time period. Doesn't pass the mustard test. I will always go back to Lee's statement to LE that "CASEY staked out the apt's for a long time" waiting for ZFG to return with CAYLEE. I believe she staked out the apt. but it wasn't for CAYLEE it was for a name to be used as a perp....

JMO

[joolz]

1:30 est.....

Thanks des!:smile:

[MiamiNice1]

1:30pm Orlando time. (Not sure what time that is in funky town, lol.)

omg. You have me laughing today!! :lol:

I got another laugh out of the "wanting to watch Casey squirming in her seat while she answers the deposition questions" visual, too! :seeya:

Running to do some errands so I can be back in time for Part 2!

imo

[happygert]

No way is she knocked up, IMO. She seemed to get skinnier while she was out on jail, not chubbier.

JMO

And you've seen her? and when was this? before or after the pork rinds beef snack, poptarts, chips, cup cakes, candy bars...etc........

[martha]

good morning everyone. I am late again. If there is any book or movie deal I hope the lady gets some of it to help her and her children. I want to see the trial on casey first tho. Everyone knows there was no nanny and that will help her after the murder trial. All it is about to all that is helping casey is money now. Maybe z will get some of that later on. I just hope they don;t keep putting of casey;s trial but I have a feeling they will put it of as long as they can hoping everyone will forget about it all. I don;t think any of us will ever forget what has happened or poor little caylee. jmho

[desmom]

Caylee Anthony Mom Casey Sued by "Kidnapping" Babysitter for Defamation
http://www.postchronicle.com/news/original/article_212198323.shtml

[Stella Rose]

I sure don't. I don't understand why people even think this. :confused:

For me it falls into the "irrational fear" category. She did look a it heavier at her last arrest, and we have not seen her since. Just a horrible - deep in the gut fear - at least for me.

[Mimi428]

The written Q&A is precisely what Z's attny was opposed to...he said he wanted the spontaneity of her expressions, etc when answering his questions. I think he should be able to ask the questions directly. IMO

He will have that opportunity. Won't be immediately, but he will have it eventually.

And it is actually a LOT better, from a strategic viewpoint, to get all of them to answer on paper - then after months (if not years) go by - get them to answer in person. They will NEVER remember what they wrote down, they will contradict themselves - & that is a plus for the Morgan law firm in their civil suit.

Question #10 ...'Admit or deny.....' (an example of how questions can be worded on interrogatories)

(love it)

[RockStarGirl]

I have a question. Hopefully someone knows. Can someone make a testimony in court for two different trials. IOW can someone in this case testify in the murder trial and then give the same testimony in the civil trial. This may be a really dumb question. I'm just wondering if that would have anything to do with double jeopardy? Obviously they are two seperate things, but I wasn't sure.

[norwood]

ITA, marsh. I like things in writing. (Even though I like to see in-person squirming as well.)

As an aside, sort of, my gut feeling (lol) is that both the OC and her attorney are a bit on the lazy-sloppy side. I think there's a pretty fair chance something in their lazy-sloppy written answers might trip them up. I could be wrong, but preparation and thoroughness hasn't been one of Baez's strong suits to date, and it sure it's one of Casey's.


Hi
Actually the written questions are not such a bad thing. She answers them and they are submitted through the court. When they do either a depo or question her at trial and she either refuses to answer in depo or on the stand they can always have the written answers in their hand and say well, here you say this so is this true or not. Those written questions can be used and I like that.

I have to leave for a while so hope I am back for the second hearing.

[norwood]

I have a question. Hopefully someone knows. Can someone make a testimony in court for two different trials. IOW can someone in this case testify in the murder trial and then give the same testimony in the civil trial. This may be a really dumb question. I'm just wondering if that would have anything to do with double jeopardy? Obviously they are two seperate things, but I wasn't sure.

Yes, they can. They could testify in 50 different trials if they are called.

[dgfred]

Hi
Actually the written questions are not such a bad thing. She answers them and they are submitted through the court. When they do either a depo or question her at trial and she either refuses to answer in depo or on the stand they can always have the written answers in their hand and say well, here you say this so is this true or not. Those written questions can be used and I like that.

I have to leave for a while so hope I am back for the second hearing.

They DROP counter-suit... then plead 5th to ALL questions.

[CC I See]

John Morgan knew the Judge would never force the odious creature into depositions, I think he is very pleased with today's decisions. Don't think he's going to tip off the OC as to what questions he wants answers to either.

I think she's between a rock and a hard place with her first statements to Allen and Melich about Sawgrass and ZFG. baez is going to have his hands full explaining that statement away during trial and John Morgan will be all ears as to what is said about his client during the criminal trial. After which, he will set his civil action into full swing, imo.

The anthony's are getting exactly what they deserve, for all the lies regarding this woman. I would like to see Ricardo, Amy and Jesse Grund file suit also, for the hits they took courtesy of cynthia, george, lee and the OC.

You know, I just love your posts.... they are to the point and makes sense. Thank you !!

[RockStarGirl]

Yes, they can. They could testify in 50 different trials if they are called.

Thank you. That makes me feel better. It seems like I should have known that, but this case has had so many twists and turns, you just never know what will happen next. Defies all logic! JMO

[Dells]

baez must drop the counter suit, imo. You can't sue someone(sword) and then claim 5th amendment rights (shield). baez is one of the most incompetent attorneys I have ever seen, imo.

I agree w/you!

[happygert]

Got a question.
If this case doesn't go forward before the murder trial, can any of this be put to the jury to hear in the murder trial, that only tailered questions would be asked of casey in writing?

:ohmy:

I dont think so..

[Mimi428]

You make very good sense Mimi. You KNOW we all just wanted Casey to be forced to face Mr. Morgan. That won't happen for now.

BBL for the next hearing. Ugh Bozo WILL be allowed to bluster in that one.

Oh, I KNOW we all would have been happy for Casey to face Mr. Morgan sooner than later. But I try like everything to keep focused on the biggest, most important issue - that the criminal trial be as it should be, that the defendant has adequate legal representation, that a conviction does not have 3 dozen credible things to appeal on.

I just want her to sit in jail & not have to worry that 3 years later an appeals court rules that she deserves a new trial because of idiot counsel, her constitutional rights were violated, yadda, yadda, yadda.

JMO

[PROPROS]

good morning everyone. I am late again. If there is any book or movie deal I hope the lady gets some of it to help her and her children. I want to see the trial on casey first tho. Everyone knows there was no nanny and that will help her after the murder trial. All it is about to all that is helping casey is money now. Maybe z will get some of that later on. I just hope they don;t keep putting of casey;s trial but I have a feeling they will put it of as long as they can hoping everyone will forget about it all. I don;t think any of us will ever forget what has happened or poor little caylee. jmho
Morning Martha...We will not forget what happened to Caylee. While the lawyers are in the courtroom and life in Orlando goes on...Caylee's body lies in the morgue waiting for a final resting place.:rose:mo

[Dells]

She waived her right to be there.

I wonder why she is not showing up to court anymore? You think it would at least break up her day of sitting in her cell for 23 hours a day.

[Kara]

Let us pray that such an intestinal parasite as she would not reproduce ever again.
But, didn't she create precious little Caylee?

I don't believe she is pregnant but she has proven she can produce a beautiful child.

[spiritwolf46]

You know, I just love your posts.... they are to the point and makes sense. Thank you !!

I agree! Regina ROCKS!

[norwood]

They DROP counter-suit... then plead 5th to ALL questions.

I am not so sure they will drop the suit. They seem fairly arrogant or dumb, one or the other. Really got to go now

[CC I See]

That was during incarceration #1, though. This time around, she's all settled in and cozy. She's ordering snackies from the commissary like it's going out of style, and we're not talking fresh fruits and veggies, lol.
.... maybe people sending her money have an ulterior motive. I would send her a case of fudge brownies if I thought this would help.

[Stella Rose]

Expect nothing more & you won't be disappointed.

I suppose you are right. Thank you. I just got very offended and took the bait.

[WillowInFlight]

.... maybe people sending her money have an ulterior motive. I would send her a case of fudge brownies if I thought this would help.

What could be their motive?

[Jpanda]

respectfully snipped

However the fact she said for years her nanny was Zanny, and she runs into a Zenaida at the same time is pretty much a huge coincidence, and I dont believe in those. I do think there is a connection between Zenaida and Casey.

jmo

I agree with the above - way too coincidental, IMO. I wonder if we'll ever find out.

[WillowInFlight]

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious. She is rough looking. I can see if Casey was looking for a shady character to pin this on, she would be a good candidate.

However the fact she said for years her nanny was Zanny, and she runs into a Zenaida at the same time is pretty much a huge coincidence, and I dont believe in those. I do think there is a connection between Zenaida and Casey.

jmo

Oh Mallory, I don't think she is rough looking at all.

[lonetraveler]

IF she was pregnant, she would have to have gotten pregnant in October, and it would have to be Baez, Rob Dick, or Lennys. gross.


Or she would be about 6 months, maybe more if it happened around the time Caylee went missing.

But there is no way she is pregnant, no way.

jmo

---
Besides, you would have to have sex to be pregnant?

[st777jo]

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious. She is rough looking. I can see if Casey was looking for a shady character to pin this on, she would be a good candidate.

However the fact she said for years her nanny was Zanny, and she runs into a Zenaida at the same time is pretty much a huge coincidence, and I dont believe in those. I do think there is a connection between Zenaida and Casey.

jmo

I'll take rough looking over any of the A's any day, any time, any place.

But mostly over a baby killer.

jmo, jo

[CC I See]

But, didn't she create precious little Caylee?

I don't believe she is pregnant but she has proven she can produce a beautiful child.
Well she had help.... too bad the father doesn't know it.

[steffaroob4]

I can't believe that Spitz did the Autopsy before Christmas. Why wouldn't they take want they might need then and let her rest?

[spiritwolf46]

Okay, that is a pretty awful thing to say about someone you don't know. You defend the Anthonys to the ends of the earth, and call a victim in this mess, someone you don't know "rough looking" and say she looked capable of kidnapping a child???


Thank you! Pretty much a double standard, isn't it?

[Kara]

I wouldn't want another precious, beautiful child produced by that female, nor raised by anyone associated with her.That just seems to be critical of Caylee. Are you suggesting that Caylee would have been damaged goods if she were allowed to live into adulthood?

[Peter]

Same here. I'd have a pallet of Little Debbie's snack cakes delivered, if it would in any way help the OC down off her hot body pedestal.

Me too! then she can enter the jail house humpty dumpty contest.

[Stella Rose]

I'm off to take a breather all. Getting to hot in here. Thanks to everyone who helped carry on pleasant conversations this morning.

[happygert]

Well she had help.... too bad the father doesn't know it.

IMO look at Mark Hawkins.. Then look at Caylee especially the one with Caylee's hair back in the scarf. LOT of resemblance

[WillowInFlight]

Ditto. And I do think there's some element of "Gee, the A's are such a pretty bunch, I feel sympathy for them" at work here. It's disgusting, imo.

You know I just don't see it, I think Cindy is an attractive woman, but I don't see it with Casey at all.

[happy2bme]

That just seems to be critical of Caylee. Are you suggesting that Caylee would have been damaged goods if she were allowed to live into adulthood?


I don't think that is what the poster meant. Would you want Casey to have another child knowing what she has done to Caylee?

[JHP]

IMO, Because they're holding out for the most money to show the funeral.

Unfortunately thats my opinion also.

[callmetree]

I wouldn't want another precious, beautiful child produced by that female, nor raised by anyone associated with her.

hi say, i think almost everyone on this board would agree with your post. poor little caylee. makes me really sit and wonder what her life was like in the short time she was here:sad:

[Jpanda]

IMO look at Mark Hawkins.. Then look at Caylee especially the one with Caylee's hair back in the scarf. LOT of resemblance


I see the similarities too.

Didn't LE go out to California and interview Hawkins? I'm interested to see that interview, and I wonder why it hasn't been released yet....

jmo

[st777jo]

Could not or did not pick her out of the photos she was shown?

Exactly. DID NOT pick her out because it would be a disavantage for her to do so.
jmo, jo

[WillowInFlight]

At the risk of re-stating the obvious, steff, this isn't about Caylee. It never has been. It's about Casey's defense. They'll let the baby rest once they are sure she can't give them anything else to help Casey's defense.

Do you think there was anything to help the defense in the first place?

[dgfred]

You know I just don't see it, I think Cindy is an attractive woman, but I don't see it with Casey at all.

I think the exact opposite :unsure: , weird huh!?!

[callmetree]

i know it's not quite time but there is a second thread waiting when this one reaches 1000. :smile:

[Jpanda]

Could not or did not pick her out of the photos she was shown?

Exactly what I was going to post....why would Casey ever pick out the correct person? Lies, lies, lies, lies, lies....

jmo

[playnice]

I wonder why she is not showing up to court anymore? You think it would at least break up her day of sitting in her cell for 23 hours a day.

I could be wrong but I think there is alot of not good feelings going on with her and her family. George testified at that GJ indictment and Casey hasnt seen them since. I think she is mad at them. I also think there is alot of distrust going on with all her family asking for immunity.
I think she hates them. :w00t:

[PROPROS]

IMO look at Mark Hawkins.. Then look at Caylee especially the one with Caylee's hair back in the scarf. LOT of resemblanceHe is nice looking...Who knows, Casey said she had something to tell him..I guess he would be in the position to know if the "timing" was correct.mo

[happygert]

bye and HB! The next court hearing is in 30 minutes, correct?

yes TisMe...

[WillowInFlight]

I think the exact opposite :unsure: , weird huh!?!

LOL no not at all.

[gaelicpeas]

Excuse me for pointing out the obvious. She is rough looking. I can see if Casey was looking for a shady character to pin this on, she would be a good candidate.

However the fact she said for years her nanny was Zanny, and she runs into a Zenaida at the same time is pretty much a huge coincidence, and I dont believe in those. I do think there is a connection between Zenaida and Casey.

jmo
She doesn't look shady to me. Or rough. JMO

[daHawg]

I see the similarities too.

Didn't LE go out to California and interview Hawkins? I'm interested to see that interview, and I wonder why it hasn't been released yet....

jmo

Or why Baez hasn't asked for it in his motions.