Wednesday Jan 7, Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning,

I guess there are conflicting reports regarding the second autopsy.

On NG they said the defense hasn't even started but IIRC the Anthony attorney said they're waiting on completion of the second autopsy.

When will Caylee Marie finally be laid to rest? Incredibly sad that the State had to file a motion because they're afraid the autopsy photos will be sold. How sick. Who would do something like that? :crying:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html

[AMS]

Good Morning,

I guess there are conflicting reports regarding the second autopsy.

On NG they said the defense hasn't even started but IIRC the Anthony attorney said they're waiting on completion of the second autopsy.

When will Caylee Marie finally be laid to rest? Incredibly sad that the State had to file a motion because they're afraid the autopsy photos will be sold. How sick. Who would do something like that? :crying:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html


Good morning - Dr. Patricia Saunders' quote on NG when they were talking about the second autopsy was right on track. IMO.


GRACE: You`re just letting remains sit in a cardboard box. I mean, really, that`s your child. I would say to hell with the second autopsy. Even if I can`t go to the funeral, I want her buried.

SAUNDERS: Well, that`s because you`re a normal mother. And we don`t have too much evidence that Casey Anthony is. This is a callous, really callous detached abomination to treat the baby`s memory like this.

[n/t]

Good morning - Dr. Patricia Saunders' quote on NG when they were talking about the second autopsy was right on track. IMO.


GRACE: You`re just letting remains sit in a cardboard box. I mean, really, that`s your child. I would say to hell with the second autopsy. Even if I can`t go to the funeral, I want her buried.

SAUNDERS: Well, that`s because you`re a normal mother. And we don`t have too much evidence that Casey Anthony is. This is a callous, really callous detached abomination to treat the baby`s memory like this.

She's so right. Is Casey the one to decide on that though? I thought it was the Anthonys.

[AJandTam]

She's so right. Is Casey the one to decide on that though? I thought it was the Anthonys.

I thought it was down to the A's now as well.

This case really spotlights good verses bad to me. It's like we are seeing the face of evil every day.. Maybe that's just me.

[PuffDragon]

Good morning - Dr. Patricia Saunders' quote on NG when they were talking about the second autopsy was right on track. IMO.


GRACE: You`re just letting remains sit in a cardboard box. I mean, really, that`s your child. I would say to hell with the second autopsy. Even if I can`t go to the funeral, I want her buried.

SAUNDERS: Well, that`s because you`re a normal mother. And we don`t have too much evidence that Casey Anthony is. This is a callous, really callous detached abomination to treat the baby`s memory like this.

Didn't Casey sign the remains over to her parents? If that means she's not the one in control then it's C&G who are in charge of making the arrangements. So that all-important examination of the bones (removing tongue from cheek now) must be what's holding up the burial. I was willing to give Jose some leeway, given the holidays getting in the way, but they've been over now for days. Enough. Drop the excuses and bury that poor child.

[ellegna]

She's so right. Is Casey the one to decide on that though? I thought it was the Anthonys.

Good morning

I could be wrong but it was my understanding the ball is in Casey's court.
In order for the A's to proceed with funeral arrangements, Casey must sign that right over to them. If Casey doesn't, Caylee's remains can sit in that funeral home until Casey decides :angry:

[n/t]

I thought it was down to the A's now as well.

This case really spotlights good verses bad to me. It's like we are seeing the face of evil every day.. Maybe that's just me.

Morning Tam,

No, it's not just you. What we see unfold right before our eyes is appalling and it will only get worse, imo, at the trial when we start hearing the details.

There is no excuse for this delay. Caylee deserved so much more even in death.

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone!

It's not just you Tam, we are seeing a malignant evil and a family who supports it, imo.

I believe that the evil odious creature still has control over what happens to Caylee's remains. It was reported that she released the remains to the funeral home. She's maintaining control, imo.

We know who made money off of Caylee, the entire anthony family, imo, thru the licensing of the rights to pics and videos to People magazine and other media outlets. I believe they will sell the coverage of the memorial service too, probably to FOX network.

The Prosecutors know how depraved these people are and I am glad to see them take steps legally to prevent them from making more money off of pictures of Caylee in death.

Heard something last night about the Jail not allowing the OC to view the memorial. Can anyone confirm?

[SandyO]

I thought it was down to the A's now as well.

This case really spotlights good verses bad to me. It's like we are seeing the face of evil every day.. Maybe that's just me.

When and IF it is factually determined that any of the Anthonys have profited from Caylee's death I swear I will drop listening to anything about this case from that day forward. I will have lost faith in humanity, I think! I will no longer feel the slightest compassion for George and Cindy because it will be obvious they have been well paid for their loss. It already seems that Casey murdered Caylee, but Caylee is not only paying with her life, she's paying for Casey's defense, too (if the report of Baez collecting six figures is true). For a while I pictured George and Cindy grieving behind the closed doors of their quiet house, but now I picture them both with 'phones glued to their ears working on money-making deals and Casey's defense. This case has just about gotten ahead of what my small town mind can accept.

[AJandTam]

Good morning everyone. I agree this case sure does spotlight a lot of the possible evils, sickness, disregard for human life & the remains, disrespect, and lies that can possibly exist.

You are right Bratling. How very sad.

[AJandTam]

Morning Tam,

No, it's not just you. What we see unfold right before our eyes is appalling and it will only get worse, imo, at the trial when we start hearing the details.

There is no excuse for this delay. Caylee deserved so much more even in death.

n/t, I feel you are so right. I think we have more bad things to learn.

[SandyO]

Well, ABC has acknowledged it, the Prosecution has attested to it in a court of law under penalty of perjury, The Anthonys have admitted they were not paying for the expensive flights, dinners, and cars being sent for them during those interviews too. The Anthony's have never denied it. Nor has their attorney. I do not even think Baez has denied it.

It is really as simple as 2+2=4 even without all of that information! They couldn't raise the bail to get Casey out under any circumstances. She is re-arrested, ABC suddenly does a new story with new unseen pictures and this time the Anthony's bail her out.

I can see that the Anthonys have had expenses paid --- I don't like it, but I know the networks will pay the travel expenses, etc., for guests they want to interview. What I am talking about is IF the Anthonys, any of them, have PROFITED, big money in their bank, from Caylee's death, I'm done.

[breezie]

She's so right. Is Casey the one to decide on that though? I thought it was the Anthonys.

It's Baez and team. The Anthonys will go along with what they say is *necessary*. Gotta save the OC. Leave Caylee in a box. What's the difference? They left her in a garbage bag on the side of the road for 6 months. :mad:

[Pruddennce]

Good morning

I could be wrong but it was my understanding the ball is in Casey's court.
In order for the A's to proceed with funeral arrangements, Casey must sign that right over to them. If Casey doesn't, Caylee's remains can sit in that funeral home until Casey decides :angry:

in the case of Scott Peterson, the Rochas took over both remains and I dont recall any dialogue or motions about who had 'rights'.....he was sitting in jail awaiting trial. his parents expressed a request on his behalf for the Rochas to hold off on administering a service until after his trial and he was free. *rolling my eyes*.... it was his wife and his child. I dont recall a legal 'release' by him.

however, of course nothing was held up regarding laying them to rest.

maybe someone can shed some legal clarification on this issue. I havent seen any legal motions on the defense's side referencing Casey's legal rights regarding her child's remains. or that she has or has not signed anything in that regard.

has anyone else, I might have missed that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[shelbar53]

I think it's great the SA file that motion to try and prevent anyone from profiting off of caylees death.

I also think it's great that the dream team have to fly to florida to view the stuff on the 3 discs, that they cant be sent via internet. Now who will pay the drean team to fly in, sleep and eat?

I bet the A's are fuming the SA's office is trying to prevent profiting, and shame on the A's for not filing that motion themselves the way Dale Ernharts wife filed a motion to prevent pics of his autopsy making the rounds.


good morning all DH has been home over the hoildays and throwing a monkey wrench in my routine

[Regina.Lampert]

Something about... it would have to be during her regularly scheduled TV time to facilitate it but the jail will make the ultimate decision when the time comes. Honestly I cant see them not allowing her to view it, they need to appear decent so that Baez cant use it against them at the trial.

I understand your point Brat, I'm sure they don't want to make the OC a sympathetic figure cuz they wouldn't allow her to watch the memorial service. But, I don't think they want to extend any beyond the normal activities to her either.

baez will be taking a chance of her viewing the memorial while being observed by the jail officials too. What to do, what to do......

If I were him, I'd video tape it and allow her to view it thru the computer, alone in a cell with me.

[kOOkie1]

Something about... it would have to be during her regularly scheduled TV time to facilitate it but the jail will make the ultimate decision when the time comes. Honestly I cant see them not allowing her to view it, they need to appear decent so that Baez cant use it against them at the trial.

I believe I also read somewhere that Local Tv Stations would have to carry the Memorial in order for her to be allowed to watch...ughh I hate the fact that she gets that honor:mad: (jmo)

[ellegna]

Hi Regina

I heard something last night too that Dep't of Corrections have not made a decision whether Casey will be allowed to watch.
Just curious....Isn't the TV in a recreational room accessible to other inmates? Maybe it's a security issue. :shrug:

[shelbar53]

I can see that the Anthonys have had expenses paid --- I don't like it, but I know the networks will pay the travel expenses, etc., for guests they want to interview. What I am talking about is IF the Anthonys, any of them, have PROFITED, big money in their bank, from Caylee's death, I'm done.

well big money to some is pocket change for others. The A's were paid $200,000 for the videos of caylee in the pool. {licencing fee for photos} plus all expense travel.

who knows what they recieved for the people magazine interview they did, there were pictures in that article.

200,000 is big money to me, but not so by some other people.

[AJandTam]

Good morning everyone!

It's not just you Tam, we are seeing a malignant evil and a family who supports it, imo.

I believe that the evil odious creature still has control over what happens to Caylee's remains. It was reported that she released the remains to the funeral home. She's maintaining control, imo.

We know who made money off of Caylee, the entire anthony family, imo, thru the licensing of the rights to pics and videos to People magazine and other media outlets. I believe they will sell the coverage of the memorial service too, probably to FOX network.

The Prosecutors know how depraved these people are and I am glad to see them take steps legally to prevent them from making more money off of pictures of Caylee in death.

Heard something last night about the Jail not allowing the OC to view the memorial. Can anyone confirm?

Hi ya Reggie. I know it is normal for families to collect money in these cases. Normally, I don't even discuss the money, but something about the money in this case really bothers me.

[Regina.Lampert]

It's Baez and team. The Anthonys will go along with what they say is *necessary*. Gotta save the OC. Leave Caylee in a box. What's the difference? They left her in a garbage bag on the side of the road for 6 months. :mad:

What a great point Breezie!! Why are we appalled that poor Caylee has been left at the funeral home, when the OC had no problem at all stuffing her in a garbage bag and leaving her to rot in the woods for six months. :cuss:

[Regina.Lampert]

Hi Regina

I heard something last night too that Dep't of Corrections have not made a decision whether Casey will be allowed to watch.
Just curious....Isn't the TV in a recreational room accessible to other inmates? Maybe it's a security issue. :shrug:

I'm sure you are right Ell. She is in protective custody and the entire schedule would have to be changed to accomodate her viewing of the memorial, imo. Why should this murderer get any special treatment to watch the funeral of the child she murdered? :cursing:

[SandyO]

well big money to some is pocket change for others. The A's were paid $200,000 for the videos of caylee in the pool. {licencing fee for photos} plus all expense travel.

who knows what they recieved for the people magazine interview they did, there were pictures in that article.

200,000 is big money to me, but not so by some other people.

That is big money to me also, and it does trouble me that neither C or G seem to need to work to support themselves. I have just recently caught up with some big bills, and the first-of-the-month house payment and utility bills come around faster than I am ready for them. G&C must have the same obligations I do, and I hope Caylee isn't providing a free ride for them!

[bluwaters]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[AJandTam]

When and IF it is factually determined that any of the Anthonys have profited from Caylee's death I swear I will drop listening to anything about this case from that day forward. I will have lost faith in humanity, I think! I will no longer feel the slightest compassion for George and Cindy because it will be obvious they have been well paid for their loss. It already seems that Casey murdered Caylee, but Caylee is not only paying with her life, she's paying for Casey's defense, too (if the report of Baez collecting six figures is true). For a while I pictured George and Cindy grieving behind the closed doors of their quiet house, but now I picture them both with 'phones glued to their ears working on money-making deals and Casey's defense. This case has just about gotten ahead of what my small town mind can accept.

I am w/you on this Sandy. If we find out that the donations given to this family were used for the defense of anybody. I think the world should be mad. Caylee is a person, not a prop to fill someones piggy bank. I hope we do not find out that Geo and Cindy knew Caylee was gone but collected money and carried on w/this kidnapping gig. Putting up posters, tshirts, and all that jazz. I just can't imagine anyone who would be so sick as to even look at stuff like that IF they knew the baby was gone. That would be more than my small town brain could handle as well. I can't say this is true. Only that i'm afraid it is.

[kOOkie1]

That is big money to me also, and it does trouble me that neither C or G seem to need to work to support themselves. I have just recently caught up with some big bills, and the first-of-the-month house payment and utility bills come around faster than I am ready for them. G&C must have the same obligations I do, and I hope Caylee isn't providing a free ride for them!

..I agree Sandy... I know I could not afford to not have money comming in, soo...it does make you wonder how the A's have been supporting themselves:angry:

[shelbar53]

"Jail officials said today they have not yet decided if Anthony will be allowed to watch the service on television."

"She has no limit on her Sony SRF 39FP, a $21 radio she bought from the jail's commissary"


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-media-access-010608,0,2182241.story

[SandyO]

I am w/you on this Sandy. If we find out that the donations given to this family were used for the defense of anybody. I think the world should be mad. Caylee is a person, not a prop to fill someones piggy bank. I hope we do not find out that Geo and Cindy knew Caylee was gone but collected money and carried on w/this kidnapping gig. Putting up posters, tshirts, and all that jazz. I just can't imagine anyone who would be so sick as to even look at stuff like that IF they knew the baby was gone. That would be more than my small town brain could handle as well. I can't say this is true. Only that i'm afraid it is.

I'm afraid it's true, too. Friends tell me the Anthonys will be dealt with by higher powers than any here on earth, so not to "sweat it". That's good, but not good enough for me right now.

[desmom]

Publicist Specializes in Representing High Profile Clients at the Center of National News Stories
From the Drew Peterson saga to the Casey Anthony investigation, newsman-turned-publicist Glenn Selig is again at the center of high profile criminal cases.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1116&z=4

[PuffDragon]

Publicist Specializes in Representing High Profile Clients at the Center of National News Stories
From the Drew Peterson saga to the Casey Anthony investigation, newsman-turned-publicist Glenn Selig is again at the center of high profile criminal cases.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1116&z=4

And do we assume that he is working for free too?

[SandyO]

Publicist Specializes in Representing High Profile Clients at the Center of National News Stories
From the Drew Peterson saga to the Casey Anthony investigation, newsman-turned-publicist Glenn Selig is again at the center of high profile criminal cases.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1116&z=4

Well, no one will ever be able to say Casey isn't getting the best. She is, but this fellow will have his hands full with this one.

[desmom]

Prosecutors want defense limited in handling images of Caylee Anthony's remains
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-caseyside0709jan07,0,1717997.story

Baez's spokesman Todd Black said Baez is planning to file a response. "We will deal with the issue in court," he said.

On Dec. 31, according to the motion, Drane Burdick spoke to Baez about the issue. He agreed not to share the images with any "unrelated parties" but wanted to send them to defense experts who are outside Orange and Osceola counties, the prosecutor wrote.

Prosecutors want the photos to remain with Baez and in the courts' jurisdiction -- and for defense experts to view them in Baez's presence. Strickland has not ruled on the motion.

[cassidy]

Publicist Specializes in Representing High Profile Clients at the Center of National News Stories
From the Drew Peterson saga to the Casey Anthony investigation, newsman-turned-publicist Glenn Selig is again at the center of high profile criminal cases.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1116&z=4

Interesting. Although he hasn't appeared to do much as far as improving anyone's image in this case. he could start by enrolling Baez in a Public Speaking 101 class. :)

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Good Morning,

I guess there are conflicting reports regarding the second autopsy.

On NG they said the defense hasn't even started but IIRC the Anthony attorney said they're waiting on completion of the second autopsy.

When will Caylee Marie finally be laid to rest? Incredibly sad that the State had to file a motion because they're afraid the autopsy photos will be sold. How sick. Who would do something like that? :crying:


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html


Personally, I think that they are afraid that Baez and team may sell them for payment. That is how I am taking it anyway. Perhaps Baez DID get paid from the Anthony's by selling photo's and video's of a live Caylee and that is how the Defense team are all getting paid? Just my opinioin anyway.

Yes, n/t, VERY sad and sick to say the least! :crying:

[bluwaters]

I am so glad that the state has filed to protect little Caylee's dignity.
It is so much more than turning over their photos and x-rays, although the crime scene photos of the recovery would no doubt fetch a lot of money.
Since the defense has obtained the right to a second autopsy of their own, they would have been free to sell their own photos of Caylee's remains. *shudder*

This is the FL statute on privacy of autopsy photos, known as the "Dale Earnhardt Law."

406.135 Autopsies; confidentiality of photographs and video and audio recordings; exemption.-- (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=2006-263&URL=CH0406/Sec135.HTM)

I was dismayed in reading the statute as it allows for the surviving family of the deceased to have access to all records and seems to give them control over the release of the records. Horrors! When this bill was written, who could have imagined a family might want to sell such gruesome images for profit?
Then I got down to Section 7:

(7) A criminal or administrative proceeding is exempt from this section, but unless otherwise exempted, is subject to all other provisions of chapter 119, provided however that this section does not prohibit a court in a criminal or administrative proceeding upon good cause shown from restricting or otherwise controlling the disclosure of an autopsy, crime scene, or similar photograph or video or audio recordings in the manner prescribed herein.

*bolding mine

Whew! If I am reading this correctly, the judge can order that these records remain private. It looks to me like this would apply to any photos or records, even those taken by the defense. The court can shut down this little cottage industry, before it springs up.

Good for the prosecution for taking this step to protect Caylee from this kind of macabre exploitation!
Hopefully, the court will grant this motion and not consider it a First Amendment issue.

[dixielover]

Didn't the attorneys last night on NG state that this request from pros was not unusual- they stated that it was done all the time in porno cases- in fact the pictures are viewed with a policeman. Why would JB not agree to that up front. jmo

[desmom]

Major Decision Expected In Casey Anthony Case
http://www.wftv.com/news/18427914/detail.html#-

A major decision is expected in the case against Casey Anthony. A judge could decide Thursday morning whether Casey will face questioning by lawyers representing Zenaida Gonzales........

Casey's team lost another battle Tuesday and each time, WFTV legal analyst William Sheaffer said, Casey Anthony loses in the court of public opinion. Still, he said, it's unlikely Casey will be forced to answer questions in the lawsuit before she goes to trial.

[msgatorslayer]

"Jail officials said today they have not yet decided if Anthony will be allowed to watch the service on television."

"She has no limit on her Sony SRF 39FP, a $21 radio she bought from the jail's commissary"


http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-media-access-010608,0,2182241.story

:blink: If the Orlando radio stations are anything like mine, radio coverage will be nothing but DJ's chit chatting about what a piece of chit she is. Good luck getting live coverage of a memorial.

I hope they don't allow her TV access that day. She doesn't deserve it.

[PuffDragon]

Well, no one will ever be able to say Casey isn't getting the best. She is, but this fellow will have his hands full with this one.

From that report it sounded like he'd been on the job for a while already. Perhaps it's due to him that information about what Casey thinks, feels, or does in jail has been curtailed and Jose isn't appearing at press conferences and photo ops as much as he used to. It was sure obvious to everybody except them that being constantly in the public eye wasn't doing them much good.

[breezie]

Interesting. Although he hasn't appeared to do much as far as improving anyone's image in this case. he could start by enrolling Baez in a Public Speaking 101 class. :)

JMO

AND *so you want to be a lawyer 101*

[PuffDragon]

Interesting. Although he hasn't appeared to do much as far as improving anyone's image in this case. he could start by enrolling Baez in a Public Speaking 101 class. :)

JMO

I'm thinking that in this case it's probably more about muffling him than trying to polish his image.

[cassidy]

From that report it sounded like he'd been on the job for a while already. Perhaps it's due to him that information about what Casey thinks, feels, or does in jail has been curtailed and Jose isn't appearing at press conferences and photo ops as much as he used to. It was sure obvious to everybody except them that being constantly in the public eye wasn't doing them much good.

Let's hope Todd Black isn't one of his!
From the link provided by desmom:
:"They have a job to do and so do I, but they know my background and that helps," says Selig. "Believe it or not there are filmmakers and TV producers who call themselves 'spokespeople' and get involved in high profile criminal cases just to make a movie or for some other ulterior motive. These people send out press releases with grammatical and spelling errors. Give me a break. That is not who we are or what we're about. Trust me when I say there is a big difference.""
Interesting about the grammatical and spelling errors!

[Katt2]

I have my helmet on so here's my take!

I am not so sure the grandparents have been the ones profiting from Caylee's tragic death. The prosecutors specifically said Baez was selling rights. He does not represent the grandparents so I fail to see how they would profit from what Baez is doing. Casey is under no restrictions at this point in regards to what she can do.
I believe the days we saw her toting her backpack to and from the Baez office she had tapes and pictures in it for him.
Now I am not saying that the grandparents have not received some funds but I don't think to the degree that some might think. In order for the shows they have appeared on to be able to show photos and tapes, they legally have to sell the rights.
Baez has living expenses also, so where is he getting his money from?

[PuffDragon]

Personally, I think that they are afraid that Baez and team may sell them for payment. That is how I am taking it anyway. Perhaps Baez DID get paid from the Anthony's by selling photo's and video's of a live Caylee and that is how the Defense team are all getting paid? Just my opinioin anyway.

Yes, n/t, VERY sad and sick to say the least! :crying:

*Bolding mine

That's how I interpreted it too. Everybody has been wondering what's in it for the many members of the defense team. Seems like a pretty good move on the state's part. Makes it appear that the state has reason to believe that the defense is already planning something, whether it is or not.

[cassidy]

I'm thinking that in this case it's probably more about muffling him than trying to polish his image.


Can't muffle him in court. Maybe provide him some remedial courses on the quick!

[?noanswer]

Publicist Specializes in Representing High Profile Clients at the Center of National News Stories
From the Drew Peterson saga to the Casey Anthony investigation, newsman-turned-publicist Glenn Selig is again at the center of high profile criminal cases.

http://www.prnewschannel.com/absolutenm/templates/?a=1116&z=4

It appears to me that Baez/KC might have made a deal with this person. I'll bet that is where the money is coming from for the so called "dream team". I think this is why the A's don't like Baez. The A's most likely have received some $s in this sad saga, but I'll bet KC\Baez will get the bulk of any money. When I say KC I'm sure she signed over any rights to JB to pay her legal expenses.

Also regarding the autopsy (some have said, there cannot be an autopsy as there are only bones, no internal organs, etc.), the defense does not have to wait for the ME's report. They could do their own anytime. If it was me I would want to do mine before I looked at the MEs. Then I could see if there were any discrepancies, I would try to resolve them. JMO

[NYGalPal]

Morning everyone. The As should not profit anymore off of Caylee. It's beyond disgusting. No ethics nor common decency this lot has. Proving yet again how much they still don't care about Caylee. Hey Cindy, here is a concept? Get back to work to pay your bills.

I noticed on the bottom of it stated "psychic claims she has video proof she was "drawn" to the area before body was found". Who is this? Yet another one trying to profit off this case?

:rolleyes:

[PuffDragon]

Let's hope Todd Black isn't one of his!
From the link provided by desmom:
:"They have a job to do and so do I, but they know my background and that helps," says Selig. "Believe it or not there are filmmakers and TV producers who call themselves 'spokespeople' and get involved in high profile criminal cases just to make a movie or for some other ulterior motive. These people send out press releases with grammatical and spelling errors. Give me a break. That is not who we are or what we're about. Trust me when I say there is a big difference.""
Interesting about the grammatical and spelling errors!

*Bolding mine

Yes indeed, I thought so too. I thought it was a rather scathing comment on the quality of the 'work' that Todd Black was doing for them.

[SavannahStar]

I have my helmet on so here's my take!

I am not so sure the grandparents have been the ones profiting from Caylee's tragic death. The prosecutors specifically said Baez was selling rights. He does not represent the grandparents so I fail to see how they would profit from what Baez is doing. Casey is under no restrictions at this point in regards to what she can do.
I believe the days we saw her toting her backpack to and from the Baez office she had tapes and pictures in it for him.
Now I am not saying that the grandparents have not received some funds but I don't think to the degree that some might think. In order for the shows they have appeared on to be able to show photos and tapes, they legally have to sell the rights.
Baez has living expenses also, so where is he getting his money from?

I agree 100% and said as much on here last night.

[*MoonRider*]

I have my helmet on so here's my take!

I am not so sure the grandparents have been the ones profiting from Caylee's tragic death. The prosecutors specifically said Baez was selling rights. He does not represent the grandparents so I fail to see how they would profit from what Baez is doing. Casey is under no restrictions at this point in regards to what she can do.
I believe the days we saw her toting her backpack to and from the Baez office she had tapes and pictures in it for him.
Now I am not saying that the grandparents have not received some funds but I don't think to the degree that some might think. In order for the shows they have appeared on to be able to show photos and tapes, they legally have to sell the rights.
Baez has living expenses also, so where is he getting his money from?

People expect lawyers to by sleazy bottom feeders but we should have higher standards for families. MOO

[marshmallow]

It appears to me that Baez/KC might have made a deal with this person. I'll bet that is where the money is coming from for the so called "dream team". I think this is why the A's don't like Baez. The A's most likely have received some $s in this sad saga, but I'll bet KC\Baez will get the bulk of any money. When I say KC I'm sure she signed over any rights to JB to pay her legal expenses.

Also regarding the autopsy (some have said, there cannot be an autopsy as there are only bones, no internal organs, etc.), the defense does not have to wait for the ME's report. They could do their own anytime. If it was me I would want to do mine before I looked at the MEs. Then I could see if there were any discrepancies, I would try to resolve them. JMO



this is only the opinion of an overtired woman but... to me it seems like the defense doesn't want to do their own autopsy, they just want to see the one already done and find fault with it. Just like other things in this case up until now. They didn't want to do their own jobs, they just want to see the State's so the defense can attack it.

[?noanswer]

Morning everyone. The As should not profit anymore off of Caylee. It's beyond disgusting. No ethics nor common decency this lot has. Proving yet again how much they still don't care about Caylee. Hey Cindy, here is a concept? Get back to work to pay your bills.

I noticed on the bottom of it stated "psychic claims she has video proof she was "drawn" to the area before body was found". Who is this? Yet another one trying to profit off this case?

:rolleyes:

Gale St. John/James? She was on NG and there are videos of her driving close to where the body was recovered. It does give one an idea of what the area was like during the summer months when searches were being conducted. JMO

[Neffy]

It seems to me that BAEZ is trying to make a name for himself with this case.

There is no pro bono. This is a loser of a case so what does BAEZ do?

Gets the highest paid "experts" money can buy IMO funded by the Anthony's as Casey's "only chance".

He's turned this into the trial of the century part deux with himself at the helm.

I have even less respect for these "experts" that lied and signed their "secret contracts" to be paid passing it off originally as pro bono with their "everyone deserves the best defense" even if they can't afford it.

Deciphered that means "we took a pay cut to our normal charges but we are indeed being paid and the publicity ain't bad either"

With his blunders being seen in the ZFG suit he is not a great attorney and I believe he expects to ride the coat tails of the other "experts" for his own publicity and to establish his own "reputation" as a high profile attorney casting his law firm into the public eye.

[NYGalPal]

I have my helmet on so here's my take!

I am not so sure the grandparents have been the ones profiting from Caylee's tragic death. The prosecutors specifically said Baez was selling rights. He does not represent the grandparents so I fail to see how they would profit from what Baez is doing. Casey is under no restrictions at this point in regards to what she can do.
I believe the days we saw her toting her backpack to and from the Baez office she had tapes and pictures in it for him.
Now I am not saying that the grandparents have not received some funds but I don't think to the degree that some might think. In order for the shows they have appeared on to be able to show photos and tapes, they legally have to sell the rights.
Baez has living expenses also, so where is he getting his money from?

The As and/or Casey would have to give him permission to get the pictures to make a profit. He can't just decide on his very own to sell them. imo

[cassidy]

*Bolding mine

Yes indeed, I thought so too. I thought it was a rather scathing comment on the quality of the 'work' that Todd Black was doing for them.


Isn't Todd Black still "on the job"? I thought he had released a few statements not too long ago?

[cassidy]

this is only the opinion of an overtired woman but... to me it seems like the defense doesn't want to do their own autopsy, they just want to see the one already done and find fault with it. Just like other things in this case up until now. They didn't want to do their own jobs, they just want to see the State's so the defense can attack it.

Yep, that's my take on it too.

[NYGalPal]

Gale St. John/James? She was on NG and there are videos of her driving close to where the body was recovered. It does give one an idea of what the area was like during the summer months when searches were being conducted. JMO

Thanks. I couldn't recall her name.

[PuffDragon]

Can't muffle him in court. Maybe provide him some remedial courses on the quick!

I don't see how it can be done. It's going to be hard enough for him to keep his mind on the requirements of his job without trying to remember anything about making himself look better for the onlookers and the jury.

[?noanswer]

The As and/or Casey would have to give him permission to get the pictures to make a profit. He can't just decide on his very own to sell them. imo

As I stated in a post above, I think KC has signed over her rights to Baez in order to pay for her defense. If its in the A's court, they will make sure they get their share too. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Gale St. John/James? She was on NG and there are videos of her driving close to where the body was recovered. It does give one an idea of what the area was like during the summer months when searches were being conducted. JMO

Yes, it does. Everything is lush and green. I didn't see any flood waters in the video clips but the plants alone would have concealed the bag of remains. JMO

[3girls]

Prosecutors want the photos to remain with Baez and in the courts' jurisdiction -- and for defense experts to view them in Baez's presence. Strickland has not ruled on the motion.[/I][/QUOTE]

Can someone explain why Judge Strickland is going to rule on this, I thought a new judge had taken over. I hope he does, at least there is a chance he will agree with the prosecutors.

[Katt2]

The As and/or Casey would have to give him permission to get the pictures to make a profit. He can't just decide on his very own to sell them. imo


Exactly and that's why I said Casey may have been taking tapes and photos to his office in her backpack. Baez is not representing the grandparents so why would they give him any permission to act on their behalf?

[bluwaters]

Didn't the attorneys last night on NG state that this request from pros was not unusual- they stated that it was done all the time in porno cases- in fact the pictures are viewed with a policeman. Why would JB not agree to that up front. jmo
Hi DL!
I didn't see NG, but that makes sense to me.
OF course, what I find shocking is that Baez was not the one to file the motion.
Conway, C&G's attorney didn't file it either.
The family is generally the party to protect the images.
The lawyers should have known that.
Instead, the state was the one to move to protect Caylee.
Very, very sad.

I bet if NeJames was still representing the A's, he would have wanted to make the motion.

This is just another incident that casts the A's in a bad light.
Their attorneys should have protected them from any specualation that the A's would be willing to profit off of death scene and autopsy photos of Caylee.
It is another taint on the A's character.
jmho

[PuffDragon]

Isn't Todd Black still "on the job"? I thought he had released a few statements not too long ago?

Did he? I guess I missed that. I was feeling good that I hadn't had to read any more of his junk lately.

[cassidy]

I don't see how it can be done. It's going to be hard enough for him to keep his mind on the requirements of his job without trying to remember anything about making himself look better for the onlookers and the jury.

LOL I was being sarcastic. Too late for Jose to "relearn" anything.

[MalloryCat]

As I understand it she has indeed given the rights to her parents. It is either the parents themselves or Baez holding up the funeral or memorial for the sake of the 2nd autopsy.

But the parents attorney did release some statement yesterday to the effect of them being upset with the delay so that might indicate Baez is holding it up or it could just simply mean they are indeed holding it up themselves for the sake of Casey's defense but Baez needs to act faster.

When has it ever been confirmed or reported she signed the bones off, why would she even do that before her team can autopsy her, that makes no sense, I know some want to blame the Anthonys for everything their disgusting daughter does, but Casey is an adult, let put the blame and shame where it goes.

jmo

[spiritwolf46]

As I stated in a post above, I think KC has signed over her rights to Baez in order to pay for her defense. If its in the A's court, they will make sure they get their share too. JMO

This is exactly what I think as well! I truly think that theh A's have signed over a lot to Baez for their little PPOF and that is all that matter to them.

I feel that Caylee never mattered, so why not get a defense of (what they think is the best) for Casey?

They will all meet their maker one day. Sheeesh, what a circus!

[PuffDragon]

As I stated in a post above, I think KC has signed over her rights to Baez in order to pay for her defense. If its in the A's court, they will make sure they get their share too. JMO

*Bolding mine

That could be true. As far as the Anthonys, why would they have any share?

[Duckaroo]

I didn't think there could be much more that could sicken me about the case than it already has...but the thought that financial gains made from images of this precious little baby..could possibly be going towards defending the very person who took her little life, has proved that thought wrong. :cursing:

[Neffy]

I think the State is calling it as it see's it. They are not going to release images without a net to any reptiles with their secret way of funding this defense to date.

The state knows where this money is coming from and it's from profits made in the selling of images.

At least someone is looking out and acting in the BEST INTEREST of Caylee.

[PuffDragon]

Exactly and that's why I said Casey may have been taking tapes and photos to his office in her backpack. Baez is not representing the grandparents so why would they give him any permission to act on their behalf?

Carry tapes and photos? There probably aren't any hard copies to carry around, they'd be on storage media. At the start the computers were in the possession of LE. I expect they've been released by now but does Jose have access to them?

[NYGalPal]

As I stated in a post above, I think KC has signed over her rights to Baez in order to pay for her defense. If its in the A's court, they will make sure they get their share too. JMO

Sorry, still catching up. I missed your post. Of course the As want $$ too. It isn't hard to see the greedy pattern on their part. :cursing:

[msgatorslayer]

I think the State is calling it as it see's it. They are not going to release images without a net to any reptiles with their secret way of funding this defense to date.

The state knows where this money is coming from and it's from profits made in the selling of images.

At least someone is looking out and acting in the BEST INTEREST of Caylee.

Kudos to the State to looking after Caylee like this. It is normally the family of a deceased person who takes the issue to the courts. Most recently, I recall the Mom of the DC Madam asking for the images of her Daughter's hanging death to be kept under wraps. But this is the Anthony's we're talking about!!!!:thumbdown:

[GIGI4256]

I think the State is calling it as it see's it. They are not going to release images without a net to any reptiles with their secret way of funding this defense to date.

The state knows where this money is coming from and it's from profits made in the selling of images.

At least someone is looking out and acting in the BEST INTEREST of Caylee.


Thank goodness for the State! It's a shame they have to take precautions on behalf of Cayless and that her family will do nothing to stop the madness! JMO

[spiritwolf46]

*Bolding mine

That could be true. As far as the Anthonys, why would they have any share?

Bolding mine

Because they have to pay for their gas, electric, house payments, car payments, insurance, food and so on. I think that they are getting some of that money for pics and video's. In fact, I would bet on it.

[PuffDragon]

LOL I was being sarcastic. Too late for Jose to "relearn" anything.

Ah, sorry, I missed the sarcasm. It's actually a good idea, like making sure defendants look cleancut and innocent in front of the juries, but yes, it's way too late for Jose.

[NYGalPal]

Exactly and that's why I said Casey may have been taking tapes and photos to his office in her backpack. Baez is not representing the grandparents so why would they give him any permission to act on their behalf?

I wouldn't doubt that. Why would the As give him permission? Isn't Caylee in their care (lack of) now? Beaz is the "ring leader" so to speak. Just a thought.

[ellegna]

As I stated in a post above, I think KC has signed over her rights to Baez in order to pay for her defense. If its in the A's court, they will make sure they get their share too. JMO

Exactly.
I would not surprised if the prosecutors obtained financial records and discovered who is profiting. Why else would a motion be submitted to limit what Baez can do?

Prosecutors want to limit what Casey Anthony's attorney can do with photos of Caylee's remains
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-caylee-remains-photos-010609,0,6545675.story

[PuffDragon]

Bolding mine

Because they have to pay for their gas, electric, house payments, car payments, insurance, food and so on. I think that they are getting some of that money for pics and video's. In fact, I would bet on it.

Let me rephrase:

Why are they entitiled to any share? They may be taking advantage of it, I'm not arguing that point, but what makes them entitled to anything? Casey is the mother, she's the one who has the entitlement, no?

[dixielover]

There is no telling how much those autopsy pictures would go for - so so sad imo

[spiritwolf46]

Let me rephrase:

Why are they entitiled to any share? They may be taking advantage of it, I'm not arguing that point, but what makes them entitled to anything? Casey is the mother, she's the one who has the entitlement, no?

Gotcha! Sorry, Puff. I totally agree with what you have said!

[trich]

This case really spotlights good verses bad to me. It's like we are seeing the face of evil every day.. Maybe that's just me.

Oh I agree!
Any MOM that will not tell anyone about their child being missing for 31 days and go shopping and partying during that time certainly is an abomination not to mention evil.

[dixielover]

Don't forget- as we have all heard on these shows that KC was a photographer- tons of pictures to sell imo

[Regina.Lampert]

I think the State is calling it as it see's it. They are not going to release images without a net to any reptiles with their secret way of funding this defense to date.

The state knows where this money is coming from and it's from profits made in the selling of images.

At least someone is looking out and acting in the BEST INTEREST of Caylee.

Let's face it, mommy and daddy have sold the rights to pictures of Caylee to go along with their interview in People magazine. The Dateline interview at the home was also a cynthia and george production. I would love to know the total amount of blood money these odious people have made off of Caylee Marie Anthony's murder?

casey anthony has also sold rights to the child she murdered, imo. It is how she is paying for her defense, imo.

The Prosecution knows just what they are dealing with here, pure evil that will stoop so low as to live off the murder of a child. IMO.

[dixielover]

Let's face it, mommy and daddy have sold the rights to pictures of Caylee to go along with their interview in People magazine. The Dateline interview at the home was also a cynthia and george production. I would love to know the total amount of blood money these odious people have made off of Caylee Marie Anthony's murder?

casey anthony has also sold rights to the child she murdered, imo. It is how she is paying for her defense, imo.

The Prosecution knows just what they are dealing with here, pure evil that will stoop so low as to live off the murder of a child. IMO.

I hope they nail this girl- I think it is so sad that the only ones sticking up for Caylee are strangers (the pros)- no family anywhere imo

[playnice]

Regina you just made me want to barf when you spell it all out.
It is very disgusting. I dont know how they sleep at night.

[WillowInFlight]

Let me rephrase:

Why are they entitiled to any share? They may be taking advantage of it, I'm not arguing that point, but what makes them entitled to anything? Casey is the mother, she's the one who has the entitlement, no?
Why would the murderous mom be entitled to it? What they are doing to this poor child in death is as bad as what they did to her in life. Where is the shame?

[trich]

I am so glad that the state has filed to protect little Caylee's dignity



Good for the prosecution for taking this step to protect Caylee from this kind of macabre exploitation!
Hopefully, the court will grant this motion and not consider it a First Amendment issue.
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IMO should the defense object to this it would just make them look even worse,in the public eye ,then they do now.
I would hope they are not stupid enough to object.

[starling]

Let's face it, mommy and daddy have sold the rights to pictures of Caylee to go along with their interview in People magazine. The Dateline interview at the home was also a cynthia and george production. I would love to know the total amount of blood money these odious people have made off of Caylee Marie Anthony's murder?

casey anthony has also sold rights to the child she murdered, imo. It is how she is paying for her defense, imo.

The Prosecution knows just what they are dealing with here, pure evil that will stoop so low as to live off the murder of a child. IMO.

Cindy was giddy when telling Casey about People magazine IMO.
I thought to myself..ICK!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html




JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

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IMO should the defense object to this it would just make them look even worse,in the public eye ,then they do now.
I would hope they are not stupid enough to object.

Trich, you are absolutely right. This is where their "high profile" public relation's agent comes in, will they listen to him? Very doubful. I don't think they will listen to anyone who attempts to come between them and money they can make off this nightmare. IMO.

[Neffy]

This also leads straight back to the Anthony's.

Their sheer arrogance to do things their way and to latch on to and retain anyone that will let them run the show is where it stems.

$$ does buy you your way and anyone will tell you what you want to hear even the you don't have a chance in haites to bring this fairy tale of a defense to their wanted outcome and keep their real secret of what actually happened come to light aka keep it covered up and dig your heels in as the truth of this crime is more abominable then they want to deal with and have cast over their family.

Cindy's denial all along is deep rooted in not in my family as those family emails portray.

What can you say to someone like that. Casey is mirror image in this regard.

[PuffDragon]

Oh I agree!
Any MOM that will not tell anyone about their child being missing for 31 days and go shopping and partying during that time certainly is an abomination not to mention evil.

But not in her own eyes. To her it was just self-preservation. MO

[spiritwolf46]

Let's face it, mommy and daddy have sold the rights to pictures of Caylee to go along with their interview in People magazine. The Dateline interview at the home was also a cynthia and george production. I would love to know the total amount of blood money these odious people have made off of Caylee Marie Anthony's murder?

casey anthony has also sold rights to the child she murdered, imo. It is how she is paying for her defense, imo.

The Prosecution knows just what they are dealing with here, pure evil that will stoop so low as to live off the murder of a child. IMO.

GREAT post and sooooooo right on!

[SandyO]

Exactly and that's why I said Casey may have been taking tapes and photos to his office in her backpack. Baez is not representing the grandparents so why would they give him any permission to act on their behalf?

Along with G&C looking after themselves, with the assistance of their new attorney, their next effort is that they are all hell bent to get Casey off from these charges, and therefore, it's somewhat of a collaborative effort, don'cha think?

[Neffy]

Cindy was giddy when telling Casey about People magazine IMO.
I thought to myself..ICK!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html




JMO

Yes, I also recall Caseys "waste of time calling you guys phone call" where Casey sneers to Cindy "I saw your cameo" and Cindy's response was somewhere along the lines of "which one sweetheart, I did a lot "

[?noanswer]

Re LE trying to stop JB from using the pictures for purposes other than assisting his team in their autopsy, I think in addition to protecting Caylee's dignity, they probably don't want anything released for all the THs and their guests to give their opinion. They don't want the waters muddied anymore than they already are. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

Along with G&C looking after themselves, with the assistance of their new attorney, their next effort is that they are all hell bent to get Casey off from these charges, and therefore, it's somewhat of a collaborative effort, don'cha think?

Well now how is that going to work for them? There is no way Casey will ever be free again, and you know, I'm not so sure that Cindy and George don't want her to pay for what she has done.

[Regina.Lampert]

Cindy was giddy when telling Casey about People magazine IMO.
I thought to myself..ICK!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html




JMO


Thanks for posting this Starling, it contained this memorable and disgusting exchange:

CINDY ANTHONY: Did Lee tell you how much the reward is to find Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can you imagine?

CASEY ANTHONY: I haven`t heard anything of this, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s over -- I think it`s $225,000.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jesus Christ. That`s half my bond.

Evil, pure evil! :cuss:

[?noanswer]

Well now how is that going to work for them? There is no way Casey will ever be free again, and you know, I'm not so sure that Cindy and George don't want her to pay for what she has done.

If the difference between KC going free and the A's getting $s, then I think I know which way they would go. JMO

[?noanswer]

Thanks for posting this Starling, it contained this memorable and disgusting exchange:

CINDY ANTHONY: Did Lee tell you how much the reward is to find Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can you imagine?

CASEY ANTHONY: I haven`t heard anything of this, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s over -- I think it`s $225,000.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jesus Christ. That`s half my bond.

Evil, pure evil! :cuss:

Shows to go you that they have money on the mind. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

If the difference between KC going free and the A's getting $s, then I think I know which way they would go. JMO

Yep, Casey will never see the light of day.

[Neffy]

Let me rephrase:

Why are they entitiled to any share? They may be taking advantage of it, I'm not arguing that point, but what makes them entitled to anything? Casey is the mother, she's the one who has the entitlement, no?

Casey's entitlement is what the whole cruxed of the matter. Casey never taking responsiblility and taking what isn't hers to take whether it be money or to her extreme of another's life.

[MalloryCat]

Along with G&C looking after themselves, with the assistance of their new attorney, their next effort is that they are all hell bent to get Casey off from these charges, and therefore, it's somewhat of a collaborative effort, don'cha think?

Are the Anthonys super beings who can now make everyone forget what a loser murderer Casey is, and they trump States evidence? Just because its easy for some to stop loving their child no matter what, does not mean everyone can or does, this is such a complicated situation.

Or maybe they are acting the way they are to deflect off Caseys deeds, and it seems to be working since there are so many posts blaming the A's for everything their adult daughter did, that is not right.

jmo

[snowflakes]

I'm sure you are right Ell. She is in protective custody and the entire schedule would have to be changed to accomodate her viewing of the memorial, imo. Why should this murderer get any special treatment to watch the funeral of the child she murdered? :cursing:

Does anyone know whether Casey will even WANT to watch?

[?noanswer]

Does anyone know whether Casey will even WANT to watch?

That's the question. Of course JB will play it up that she does. JMO

[msgatorslayer]

Thanks for posting this Starling, it contained this memorable and disgusting exchange:

CINDY ANTHONY: Did Lee tell you how much the reward is to find Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can you imagine?

CASEY ANTHONY: I haven`t heard anything of this, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s over -- I think it`s $225,000.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jesus Christ. That`s half my bond.

Evil, pure evil! :cuss:

You still have me!

I like bagels too!

All anyone cares about is Caylee!

barf

[PuffDragon]

Cindy was giddy when telling Casey about People magazine IMO.
I thought to myself..ICK!
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

JMO

When I was reading through the conversations on that transcript I saw something that bothered me before but i didn't think it through:

>>>LEE ANTHONY: Well, you know something? You really need to keep your spirit high through all this.

CASEY ANTHONY: I have. I haven`t been crying while I`ve been in here.<<<

(Just an aside, wasn't it George that asked this?)

What caught my eye was Casey's response to "keep your spirit high". She answers, "I haven't been crying"

So to her, low spirits = crying. That's it. Not depression, not melancholy, not sadness, not defeat. Crying.

That answer always seemed wrong to me but I didn't figure it out until just this minute.
And why be so quick to reassure her parents that she knows she has to keep her spirits up, and she hasn't been crying (except maybe to throw spin on the reports that she's very comfortable in jail)? Wouldn't it be more reasonable to say "I know, but it's so hard. I'm so worried...."

But no. In Casey's reference book, low spirits is demonstrated by crying.

[SandyO]

When has it ever been confirmed or reported she signed the bones off, why would she even do that before her team can autopsy her, that makes no sense, I know some want to blame the Anthonys for everything their disgusting daughter does, but Casey is an adult, let put the blame and shame where it goes.

jmo

I'm afraid it's just on the edge of being too late to take that tack anymore, Mallory. All I need is to have it factually confirmed that G & C have profited (where are their living expenses coming from?) from this tragedy, and your posts, defending them, will be invisible to me.

[Neffy]

Shows to go you that they have money on the mind. JMO

Money to "find" her daughter she apply's to something she can relate to: Herself.

She has no idea how telling she really is and thinks she's really maintaining the "heartbroken mom" stance being a victim of having a crime "pinned" on her because LE is just out to get someone.

[WillowInFlight]

From NG transcripts. Poor Lenny. LOL
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Nancy, I`ve got to confess to you that she actually told us -- right now today, when I was watching these tapes, I went back through some notes. She told us, Zenaida held me down while Samantha took the baby from me, and with the other two children, went to the Ford Focus. I asked her, I says, Why would Zenaida do that to you? This is before I blew up and became stupid. She says, In retaliation. And why would she do that to retaliate? She said. Oh, probably for some money that I owed her.

She mentioned, as I have said before, Blanchard Park, Blanchard Park, Blanchard Park, told us exactly where. She subsequently told Rob, she subsequently told Tracy. There is no doubt in my mind, and even less in Tracy and Rob`s mind today after watching these videos, that that child went into the Little Econ River and she subsequently went back and hung a cross in that tree.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

[CANDYKISSES]

Didn't the attorneys last night on NG state that this request from pros was not unusual- they stated that it was done all the time in porno cases- in fact the pictures are viewed with a policeman. Why would JB not agree to that up front. jmo

Dixie, here is the transcript from last night...

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/06/ng.01.html

I didn't see anything about porno cases but maybe I missed it. I believe the photos they are talking about previously are the ones ABC has from Cindy. JMO tho.

THIS did get my attention. I wonder if Nancy was able to confirm this, as I can't imagine her getting this kind of bold without confirmation. JMO tho.

This, after a utility meter reader stumbles on a garbage bag and a tiny human skull literally rolls out, covered in light-colored hair, hair still intact due to thick duct tape wrapped around the child`s head.

[SavannahStar]

I'm afraid it's just on the edge of being too late to take that tack anymore, Mallory. All I need is to have it factually confirmed that G & C have profited (where are their living expenses coming from?) from this tragedy, and your posts, defending them, will be invisible to me.

Do we have any confirmation whatsoever of where their living expenses are coming from? Sounds like a lot of guessing to me.

[spiritwolf46]

Are the Anthonys super beings who can now make everyone forget what a loser murderer Casey is, and they trump States evidence? Just because its easy for some to stop loving their child no matter what, does not mean everyone can or does, this is such a complicated situation.

Or maybe they are acting the way they are to deflect off Caseys deeds, and it seems to be working since there are so many posts blaming the A's for everything their adult daughter did, that is not right.

jmo

People are NOT blaming the A's for what Casey did! They are blaming the A's for what the A's themselves have said and done! And THAT has been plenty!!!

[Mandysmom]

I forgot manipulation, deceit, spite, and hatefulness too.
My thoughts exactly. This is so very sad.

:sad:

[ruth66]

Well, ABC has acknowledged it, the Prosecution has attested to it in a court of law under penalty of perjury, The Anthonys have admitted they were not paying for the expensive flights, dinners, and cars being sent for them during those interviews too. The Anthony's have never denied it. Nor has their attorney. I do not even think Baez has denied it.

It is really as simple as 2+2=4 even without all of that information! They couldn't raise the bail to get Casey out under any circumstances. She is re-arrested, ABC suddenly does a new story with new unseen pictures and this time the Anthony's bail her out.

Good Morning Everyone!
I have wondered for a long long time how it is that Matt Lauer and Meredith Vierra seem to have the Anthony's on their show so very often. And each time with no new info. or song and dance. It has seemed to me that the Anthony's were fulfilling an "appearance" quota....JMO

[SandyO]

Well now how is that going to work for them? There is no way Casey will ever be free again, and you know, I'm not so sure that Cindy and George don't want her to pay for what she has done.

I have thought the same, Willow, and then I remember the day I watched OJ Simpson found not guilty in his criminal trial. Now, that is frightening, and the thought of that happening in this case really troubles me!

[WillowInFlight]

Do we have any confirmation whatsoever of where their living expenses are coming from? Sounds like a lot of guessing to me.

No Savannah we don't know, it's all just speculation. maybe their families are helping them. I would hate to think that they are that cold and ugly to cash in on Caylee's death.

[PuffDragon]

Well now how is that going to work for them? There is no way Casey will ever be free again, and you know, I'm not so sure that Cindy and George don't want her to pay for what she has done.

Furthermore, were she freed, would they welcome her home with open arms and continue to support her as usual? Because what are the chances that she would be able to mooch off..... uh...... find a man who would dare to have a relationship with her, trust her not to get pregnant, isolate her so she wouldn't steal from his friends? How would she support herself? G&C would have her forever. Can they possibly not have considered that?

[WillowInFlight]

People are NOT blaming the A's for what Casey did! They are blaming the A's for what the A's themselves have said and done! And THAT has been plenty!!!
Don't you just have to wonder why no one ever took up for this little girl? What is this power that Casey holds?

[SandyO]

Do we have any confirmation whatsoever of where their living expenses are coming from? Sounds like a lot of guessing to me.

Not to my satisfaction as of yet. I'm hoping we never learn it is what many fear.

[spiritwolf46]

I have thought the same, Willow, and then I remember the day I watched OJ Simpson found not guilty in his criminal trial. Now, that is frightening, and the thought of that happening in this case really troubles me!

Don't worry Sandy, she will get what it coming to her. OJ was a celebrity and Casey only THINKS that she is. ;)

[CANDYKISSES]

Shows to go you that they have money on the mind. JMO

:biggrin:Shows to go you?


I agree ?noanswer. They do exhibit all the signs of people being stuck with lemons and making lemonade BIG TIME IMO.

That said, I think the family must have to distance themselves from that sweet little toddler who is waiting for a burial or JUST TO GO HOME IMO.

I know they loved that child, but will never understand some of their actions. NEVER IN A MILLION YEARS and I pray I am never in the situation of trying to save my child because she is responsible for the loss of my grandchild.

I have visions of Cindy trying to get the best angle on all this, get Casey some money for her defense, and to get things paid off herself.

JMO tho and nothing more.

What on earth happened to putting Caylee first once she was found?:crying:

[spiritwolf46]

Don't you just have to wonder why no one ever took up for this little girl? What is this power that Casey holds?


Yes, Willow. I sure do wonder. These people cannot have much, if any, conscience at all to be able to throw that little one under the bus and continue to lie for the murderer. That little darling never had a chance, IMO. Poor little thing.

[ruth66]

I'm sure you are right Ell. She is in protective custody and the entire schedule would have to be changed to accomodate her viewing of the memorial, imo. Why should this murderer get any special treatment to watch the funeral of the child she murdered? :cursing:

Wouldn't that be a sight...all the other inmates sitting around Casey watching her poor daughter being laid to rest. Anyone guess how long it would take for her to get pummeled? Sorry, I am not a violent person but these people bring out some very strong feelings for me.....

[CANDYKISSES]

Good Morning Everyone!
I have wondered for a long long time how it is that Matt Lauer and Meredith Vierra seem to have the Anthony's on their show so very often. And each time with no new info. or song and dance. It has seemed to me that the Anthony's were fulfilling an "appearance" quota....JMO

That's interesting ruth. Are you familiar with these kind of contracts? I am not and just wonder what they are really signing for when they give license to video and photos. Any info will be appreciated. :smile:

[ishkabibble]

When and IF it is factually determined that any of the Anthonys have profited from Caylee's death I swear I will drop listening to anything about this case from that day forward. I will have lost faith in humanity, I think! I will no longer feel the slightest compassion for George and Cindy because it will be obvious they have been well paid for their loss. It already seems that Casey murdered Caylee, but Caylee is not only paying with her life, she's paying for Casey's defense, too (if the report of Baez collecting six figures is true). For a while I pictured George and Cindy grieving behind the closed doors of their quiet house, but now I picture them both with 'phones glued to their ears working on money-making deals and Casey's defense. This case has just about gotten ahead of what my small town mind can accept.

Wasn't there a report that a trust fund was set up to pay Casey's defense? Maybe it was funded with proceeds from selling Caylee's photos and videos to the media.

[Mandysmom]

What a great point Breezie!! Why are we appalled that poor Caylee has been left at the funeral home, when the OC had no problem at all stuffing her in a garbage bag and leaving her to rot in the woods for six months. :cuss:

Yes Regina but the difference now is that the family knows where her remains are, and are not pressing the issue of laying her to rest.

That makes me just heartsick.

:sad:

[Neffy]

From NG transcripts. Poor Lenny. LOL
LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Nancy, I`ve got to confess to you that she actually told us -- right now today, when I was watching these tapes, I went back through some notes. She told us, Zenaida held me down while Samantha took the baby from me, and with the other two children, went to the Ford Focus. I asked her, I says, Why would Zenaida do that to you? This is before I blew up and became stupid. She says, In retaliation. And why would she do that to retaliate? She said. Oh, probably for some money that I owed her.

She mentioned, as I have said before, Blanchard Park, Blanchard Park, Blanchard Park, told us exactly where. She subsequently told Rob, she subsequently told Tracy. There is no doubt in my mind, and even less in Tracy and Rob`s mind today after watching these videos, that that child went into the Little Econ River and she subsequently went back and hung a cross in that tree.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/04/ng.01.html

Although Lenny really got it wrong I'm wondering if Caylee wasn't in that trunk with Casey driving around trying to figure out where the best place to hide her.

I was reading back over some things and there was another murder in that park.

Casey equates things to what she hears about and sees.

She applys things to herself and situations. She knows where someone was found dead so she will apply someone else that has died to be there.

Once there she decides not a good idea for whatever reason.

I think the cell phone pings are most telling and there was a reason she was pinging around the places including Blanchard Park, the airport and her home. Her home being the red herring as that wouldn't have raised any flag.s

[shelbar53]

Furthermore, were she freed, would they welcome her home with open arms and continue to support her as usual? Because what are the chances that she would be able to mooch off..... uh...... find a man who would dare to have a relationship with her, trust her not to get pregnant, isolate her so she wouldn't steal from his friends? How would she support herself? G&C would have her forever. Can they possibly not have considered that?

I listened to the to tapes of cindy.george and casey and here is what I found interesting.

Casey said NUMEROUS times that she wants to go home. george has said, we want you home, but never did I hear cindy tell casey we want you home.

[WillowInFlight]

I have thought the same, Willow, and then I remember the day I watched OJ Simpson found not guilty in his criminal trial. Now, that is frightening, and the thought of that happening in this case really troubles me!

Oh Sandy I know just how you feel, I just don't see this going that way. I think the jury is going to take one look at that angel, hear all the lies, hear about all the searches and Casey is toast.

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes Regina but the difference now is that the family knows where her remains are, and are not pressing the issue of laying her to rest.

That makes me just heartsick.

:sad:

MM, the only thing I can come up with is that maybe early July was a real eye opener for Cindy when she was journaling on myspace. Maybe she really didn't realize how jealous Casey had become and perhaps even resentful of Caylee. JMO tho.

If that is the case, maybe she feels like she has to make it right now and put Casey first. It makes me ill too, trust me.

Remember it was Cindy who alleged she had already lost one, and wasn't going to lose another.

[ishkabibble]

Something about... it would have to be during her regularly scheduled TV time to facilitate it but the jail will make the ultimate decision when the time comes. Honestly I cant see them not allowing her to view it, they need to appear decent so that Baez cant use it against them at the trial.

Let Baez DVR it and she can watch it during her one hour of recreation. She can pass on the shower that day, I don't think she works up too much of a sweat in jail.

[ishkabibble]

I am so glad that the state has filed to protect little Caylee's dignity.
It is so much more than turning over their photos and x-rays, although the crime scene photos of the recovery would no doubt fetch a lot of money.
Since the defense has obtained the right to a second autopsy of their own, they would have been free to sell their own photos of Caylee's remains. *shudder*

This is the FL statute on privacy of autopsy photos, known as the "Dale Earnhardt Law."

406.135 Autopsies; confidentiality of photographs and video and audio recordings; exemption.-- (http://www.leg.state.fl.us/statutes/index.cfm?mode=View%20Statutes&SubMenu=1&App_mode=Display_Statute&Search_String=2006-263&URL=CH0406/Sec135.HTM)

I was dismayed in reading the statute as it allows for the surviving family of the deceased to have access to all records and seems to give them control over the release of the records. Horrors! When this bill was written, who could have imagined a family might want to sell such gruesome images for profit?
Then I got down to Section 7:

(7) A criminal or administrative proceeding is exempt from this section, but unless otherwise exempted, is subject to all other provisions of chapter 119, provided however that this section does not prohibit a court in a criminal or administrative proceeding upon good cause shown from restricting or otherwise controlling the disclosure of an autopsy, crime scene, or similar photograph or video or audio recordings in the manner prescribed herein.

*bolding mine

Whew! If I am reading this correctly, the judge can order that these records remain private. It looks to me like this would apply to any photos or records, even those taken by the defense. The court can shut down this little cottage industry, before it springs up.

Good for the prosecution for taking this step to protect Caylee from this kind of macabre exploitation!
Hopefully, the court will grant this motion and not consider it a First Amendment issue.

Once they have access to her remains during the second autopsy, they can take all the photos they want and sell them, but it won't have the impact of seeing those little bones strewn over an acre.

[CANDYKISSES]

I shudder to think of the nutbags who would be lined up to get close to Casey. Remember, convicted wife and baby murderer Scott Peterson had 30 marriage proposals waiting for him at Quentin when he arrived. He hadn't set foot in prison and the nutcases were lined up for him. Trust me, Casey would find a meal ticket.

Considering how active she was, I would imagine she is yearning for male companionship. :loveeyes:

I wonder if she gets library time at all? I'd think she might be researching her options if she is in for a long stay....JMO tho.:scared:

[dgfred]

I missed this earlier but does anyone have a good idea what was supposidly deleted from the home computer?
Several people said hundreds (thousands?) of pictures of Caylee had been deleted :scared: . Is this a fact? Any ideas/reports of what else was deleted?

[WillowInFlight]

MM, the only thing I can come up with is that maybe early July was a real eye opener for Cindy when she was journaling on myspace. Maybe she really didn't realize how jealous Casey had become and perhaps even resentful of Caylee. JMO tho.

If that is the case, maybe she feels like she has to make it right now and put Casey first. It makes me ill too, trust me.

Remember it was Cindy who alleged she had already lost one, and wasn't going to lose another.
Candy, that MySpace posting is (was) haunting, what did Cindy know at that point to write what she did, and further more to make it public. Some have said she made it public hoping that Casey would see it and bring Caylee home, I'm not sure, I can't imagine she wrote that with dry eyes.

[ruth66]

That's interesting ruth. Are you familiar with these kind of contracts? I am not and just wonder what they are really signing for when they give license to video and photos. Any info will be appreciated. :smile:

Nope, nothing behind the scenes, just the normal curious person. It would seem logical to me for NBC to offer something up with a clause that would give NBC some version of unlimited access for a certain period of time. Actually I can picture CA & GA saying to NBC "we can come once a week if you would like". I have followed this case since it was first reported and I have my opinions about FOX and certain other networks looking for a story at all costs.

I also know people like CA & GA that thrive on attention no matter how negative it is. Shameful....

[SandyO]

Oh Sandy I know just how you feel, I just don't see this going that way. I think the jury is going to take one look at that angel, hear all the lies, hear about all the searches and Casey is toast.

I really, really hope so, Willow. Sometimes I think I am losing faith in our whole system.

[WillowInFlight]

I missed this earlier but does anyone have a good idea what was supposidly deleted from the home computer?
Several people said hundreds (thousands?) of pictures of Caylee had been deleted :scared: . Is this a fact? Any ideas/reports of what else was deleted?
Yes we heard early on she deleted hundreds of pictures from her computer and phone of Caylee, as far as anything else being deleted, I imagine Lee would have that answer.

[shelbar53]

Good morning all! Just jumping on board. Was I here yesterday? LOL.

Anyway, my hubby reads the National Enquirer :blink: and he just gave me the name of a former Secret Service Agent..... Art Wood, who has been doing his own investigation. Has anyone heard of this guy before?

Mr. Wood says Caylee's remains were found with her blankie.

Sorry if this has already been discussed, but it's a new name for me and most of us know NE usually is on the money.

http://abcnews.go.com/GMA/Story?id=6464439&page=1

Police sources said the skull, covered with cloth and found inside a garbage bag, still had duct tape attached to the mouth.

[CANDYKISSES]

SNIPPED

I think the cell phone pings are most telling and there was a reason she was pinging around the places including Blanchard Park, the airport and her home. Her home being the red herring as that wouldn't have raised any flag.s

Last night while watching the clip of the psychic, even they thought she wasn't that brazen or nutty and then the assistant admitted she didn't know how someone like Casey thinks. :blink:

Thankfully I am sure. Nevertheless, it's sad IF the body was there all along. JMO.

[MalloryCat]

I'm afraid it's just on the edge of being too late to take that tack anymore, Mallory. All I need is to have it factually confirmed that G & C have profited (where are their living expenses coming from?) from this tragedy, and your posts, defending them, will be invisible to me.

Thats too bad you can only see one point of view. I live in todays world and know almost anyone who gets in the media, makes money. Do you think George and Cindy said, CAsey, kill Caylee so we can make some cash?

Its absurd.

[Loves2Read]

MM, the only thing I can come up with is that maybe early July was a real eye opener for Cindy when she was journaling on myspace. Maybe she really didn't realize how jealous Casey had become and perhaps even resentful of Caylee. JMO tho.

If that is the case, maybe she feels like she has to make it right now and put Casey first. It makes me ill too, trust me.

Remember it was Cindy who alleged she had already lost one, and wasn't going to lose another.

ITA Cindy didn't want to lose another. She feels entitled to have it the way she wants it, and IMO will do anything to get her way. Just like her daughter. (with the exception of murder because I don't think Cindy is a killer she's just the mother of one)

[NYGalPal]

Are the Anthonys super beings who can now make everyone forget what a loser murderer Casey is, and they trump States evidence? Just because its easy for some to stop loving their child no matter what, does not mean everyone can or does, this is such a complicated situation.

Or maybe they are acting the way they are to deflect off Caseys deeds, and it seems to be working since there are so many posts blaming the A's for everything their adult daughter did, that is not right.

jmo
OK, time for you to turn the TV off and pay attention to what is being posted here.

Making things up that were not stated isn't right. :rolleyes:

[WillowInFlight]

OK, time for you to turn the TV off and pay attention to what is being posted here.

Making things up that were not stated isn't right. :rolleyes:

You must not know Mallory, I have never known her to make things up. And I do know she is very passionate about this case.

[Stella Rose]

People are NOT blaming the A's for what Casey did! They are blaming the A's for what the A's themselves have said and done! And THAT has been plenty!!!

De-lurking to chime in with an AMEN! You put it much better than I could have, Spirit Wolf. Bravo.

[ishkabibble]

AND *so you want to be a lawyer 101*

he can also be used as an example of "don't let this happen to you"

[NYGalPal]

Thanks for posting this Starling, it contained this memorable and disgusting exchange:

CINDY ANTHONY: Did Lee tell you how much the reward is to find Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can you imagine?

CASEY ANTHONY: I haven`t heard anything of this, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s over -- I think it`s $225,000.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jesus Christ. That`s half my bond.

Evil, pure evil! :cuss:

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaak! barf

[BJames]

Last night while watching the clip of the psychic, even they thought she wasn't that brazen or nutty and then the assistant admitted she didn't know how someone like Casey thinks. :blink:

Thankfully I am sure. Nevertheless, it's sad IF the body was there all along. JMO.


I do believe that body was there the whole time...and my guess is the prosecution will be able to show some proof of it. It may actually be a bit of a blessing in that the area was flooded for so long, it would not be easy to 'place' anything 'under' foliage like that with fairly deep water.

Just my opinion of course...

[SavannahStar]

Thats too bad you can only see one point of view. I live in todays world and know almost anyone who gets in the media, makes money. Do you think George and Cindy said, CAsey, kill Caylee so we can make some cash?

Its absurd.


It really is.

[Katt2]

Thank you spirit! You hit the hammer on the head!
I just cannot get the fact that people cannot see what the A's have been doing. It's truly so sad that Caylee is a victim over and over with this Family. It truly needs to end.

I am only speaking for myself but I can see what the grandparents have done but I am willing to go further than just see it and try to understand their desperation in that they didn't want Caylee to be dead and they don't want their daughter to be responsible.
Since it has been proven that Caylee is deceased and that Casey is responsible, they have changed their ways. I don't know if they still believe there was a kidnapper and only time will tell that.
The grandparents have done no differently than many victims of crime have done before them in appearing on talk shows and having articles in magazines and giving the rights to publish pictures etc. Why is it okay for other families but not this one?

[MalloryCat]

OK, time for you to turn the TV off and pay attention to what is being posted here.

Making things up that were not stated isn't right. :rolleyes:

Thats hilarious.

And dont dictate to me what I can and can't do.

[dgfred]

Why??? I just can not think of any valid reason for deleting pictures/etc
of Caylee from the computer in a haste... any theories floating around?

[ishkabibble]

Let me rephrase:

Why are they entitiled to any share? They may be taking advantage of it, I'm not arguing that point, but what makes them entitled to anything? Casey is the mother, she's the one who has the entitlement, no?

I don't think they are, but Baez should be advising his client against making $ off Caylee, as she isn't exactly Ms. Popularity with the public.
If she's gonna sell them do it after the verdict, then it won't matter and the price maybe higher. But that may be part of his strategy, she needs a change of venue cause everyone hates her.

[MalloryCat]

They could not have been released to the funeral home at all without Casey's consent! I was not blaming anyone really, I was saying the hold up is somewhere between those two.

CAYLEE, was Caseys child, not the Anthonys. This is Caseys holdup, I have never seen anything reported on NG, or anywhere else the body was released to the Anthonys, it was realized to the family, Casey has all the say so, its not like she handed custody of the bones to George and Cindy, her "team" has to pick her over once more, and Casey is fine with that, even though she knows EXACTLY what happened to the little girl, but she does not care, she never has, and its sick, but lets pin the blame where it goes.

[WillowInFlight]

Hellllllllooooooo. Anyone there? Should I google this guy Art Wood and see what I find out?

Yes that might be a good idea.

[NYGalPal]

Hey, come on. Contribute your thoughts instead of trying to discredit other posters. You're smarter than that. JMO.

Maybe it's your delivery. Hang in there, and stay cool.

You are right. I just would like her for once to stop telling us what we can and cannot say about the As. We are blaming them for their actions. Not for what Casey did.

[NYGalPal]

People are NOT blaming the A's for what Casey did! They are blaming the A's for what the A's themselves have said and done! And THAT has been plenty!!!

Thank you. :thumbup:

[ishkabibble]

Furthermore, were she freed, would they welcome her home with open arms and continue to support her as usual? Because what are the chances that she would be able to mooch off..... uh...... find a man who would dare to have a relationship with her, trust her not to get pregnant, isolate her so she wouldn't steal from his friends? How would she support herself? G&C would have her forever. Can they possibly not have considered that?

Oh trust me, if she get's out/off there are plenty of men who would be all over that.

[*MoonRider*]

Thats too bad you can only see one point of view. I live in todays world and know almost anyone who gets in the media, makes money. Do you think George and Cindy said, CAsey, kill Caylee so we can make some cash?

Its absurd.

The U.S. Department of Justice reports
· 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/Statistics.pdf

Do you think all of the parents of missing children have money rolling in so they don't have to work again? Why are your friends George & Cindy so special?

[dgfred]

First of all, I'd like to know how to delete pictures, not that I would do it because I have a hard enough time uploading them. LOL.

Don't as me, I'm a computer dunce :blushing: . Like someone posted they can still be retrieved, I just don't see any possibly good reason for
doing it in the first place :unsure: .

[CANDYKISSES]

Candy, that MySpace posting is (was) haunting, what did Cindy know at that point to write what she did, and further more to make it public. Some have said she made it public hoping that Casey would see it and bring Caylee home, I'm not sure, I can't imagine she wrote that with dry eyes.

Me either Willow and I'll bet losing Caylee at that time was when Cindy really mourned. I perceive her as fighting back for survival and making really poor choices ever since. When I look at the first 24 hours after the 31 days now, I see it a little differently. But that's just me. :unsure:

[JHP]

Thats too bad you can only see one point of view. I live in todays world and know almost anyone who gets in the media, makes money. Do you think George and Cindy said, CAsey, kill Caylee so we can make some cash?

Its absurd.

Yes, but it was their decision to take the cash. IMO they should have been thrilled to have missing Caylees photo out there on a national news network and not taken any money. Or donated the money to a reputable childrens charity. But thats JMO

[SavannahStar]

I am only speaking for myself but I can see what the grandparents have done but I am willing to go further than just see it and try to understand their desperation in that they didn't want Caylee to be dead and they don't want their daughter to be responsible.
Since it has been proven that Caylee is deceased and that Casey is responsible, they have changed their ways. I don't know if they still believe there was a kidnapper and only time will tell that.
The grandparents have done no differently than many victims of crime have done before them in appearing on talk shows and having articles in magazines and giving the rights to publish pictures etc. Why is it okay for other families but not this one?

That is so true, Katt!! Especially your last paragraph. I've seen it in many, many cases.

But it's not okay for THIS family because they raised a monster and it's all their fault Caylee is gone. They are totally despicable characters who "brought it all on themselves."

That's why this family is different. Not that I think so at all, but this is obviously the prevailing opinion.

[WillowInFlight]

There is enough blame to go all around. Wouldn't you agree?

Casey does have the ultimate responsibility for what happened to Caylee because she is the one who let something happen to her child. But, the Anthony's and their cover-up just rubs some of us the wrong way. Denial? Maybe, maybe not. JMO.
"She let something happen to her"? She killed her, it's not like she let her go down the slide and she skinned her knee. And as far as denial, the Anthonys have know for months what their daughter did. IMO

[MalloryCat]

The U.S. Department of Justice reports
· 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/Statistics.pdf

Do you think all of the parents of missing children have money rolling in so they don't have to work again? Why are your friends George & Cindy so special?

If we were on a playground would you beat me up because I dont agree with you?

I didn't ask about the other missing kids, I asked about George and Cindy prying Casey to kill Caylee so they could get some cash, since thats what a few of you are making this, turning a blind eye, once again to the FACTS that other families profit from tragedy. Its not like they want to, I am sure they would rather have their grandaughter back, but REALITY says its not going to happen, and how about some hard core proof of how much money they have received, and why do you care?

[Mandysmom]

I'm more interested in the name Art Wood, former Secret Service. NE usually doesn't name a source.

Wasn't he the guy that was involved with the ANS case? Or am I thinking of someone else?

I'll go check.

[Ladyhawk]

Thank you spirit! You hit the hammer on the head!
I just cannot get the fact that people cannot see what the A's have been doing. It's truly so sad that Caylee is a victim over and over with this Family. It truly needs to end.

It's not that they cannot see what the A's have been doing, it's that they believe the A's should be given a pass on everything they have done and will do in the future because they are consumed with grief and denial and therefore are not responsible for acting irrationally. I feel certain if one of the A's were to rob a bank, that would be excused also.

[NYGalPal]

The U.S. Department of Justice reports
· 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/Statistics.pdf

Do you think all of the parents of missing children have money rolling in so they don't have to work again? Why are your friends George & Cindy so special?

Fantastic question. :thumbsup:

[CANDYKISSES]

Nope, nothing behind the scenes, just the normal curious person. It would seem logical to me for NBC to offer something up with a clause that would give NBC some version of unlimited access for a certain period of time. Actually I can picture CA & GA saying to NBC "we can come once a week if you would like". I have followed this case since it was first reported and I have my opinions about FOX and certain other networks looking for a story at all costs.

I also know people like CA & GA that thrive on attention no matter how negative it is. Shameful....

I am really hoping Conway is able to bring them to a different place. I don't have much faith in him, but right now he may be their only hope to pull themselves together and do the right thing to GET JUSTICE FOR THE UNTIMELY DEATH OF CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY.

:rose:

[ishkabibble]

I listened to the to tapes of cindy.george and casey and here is what I found interesting.

Casey said NUMEROUS times that she wants to go home. george has said, we want you home, but never did I hear cindy tell casey we want you home.

Cindy has been heard to say that many times, at least as much as she has defended her. She has stated I know where Casey is and she's safe, my concern is Caylee. I doubt that she has had any communication at all with Casey since she went back to jail, no letters, no phone calls nada.

[PuffDragon]

I shudder to think of the nutbags who would be lined up to get close to Casey. Remember, convicted wife and baby murderer Scott Peterson had 30 marriage proposals waiting for him at Quentin when he arrived. He hadn't set foot in prison and the nutcases were lined up for him. Trust me, Casey would find a meal ticket.

That's so scary. Think of the ramifications..............

[CANDYKISSES]

The U.S. Department of Justice reports
· 797,500 children (younger than 18) were reported missing in a one-year period of time studied resulting in an average of 2,185 children being reported missing each day.

http://www.missingkids.com/en_US/documents/Statistics.pdf

Do you think all of the parents of missing children have money rolling in so they don't have to work again? Why are your friends George & Cindy so special?


Thank you so much for TURNING THE LIGHT ON Moon!

Can you imagine what some of these families would do JUST TO GET the ATTENTION on their case? :sad:

[WillowInFlight]

Wasn't he the guy that was involved with the ANS case? Or am I thinking of someone else?

I'll go check.

I don't think so MM, he was involved in the Natalee Holloway case.

[happygert]

Has anyone counted the 31 days? Casey said its been 31 days since the last time I seen Caylee. George says he seen casey and Caylee. The day of the 16 of June .. I counted the days.. If you count the days it was the 15th of JUNE. If it was the 16 of June till the 15 of July when cindy called LE it would have been 30 days.. Count them .

[CANDYKISSES]

Wasn't he the guy that was involved with the ANS case? Or am I thinking of someone else?

I'll go check.

I think he also helped out on Holloway too MM.

[JHP]

You are right. I just would like her for once to stop telling us what we can and cannot say about the As. We are blaming them for their actions. Not for what Casey did.

Exactly! Although I do think if they G&C were concerned enough about Caylee being with her mother on June 24th George should have made sure Casey didn't leave the premisis. After all he called LE and reported gas cans stolen that day.
JMO

[PuffDragon]

I listened to the to tapes of cindy.george and casey and here is what I found interesting.

Casey said NUMEROUS times that she wants to go home. george has said, we want you home, but never did I hear cindy tell casey we want you home.

Wow shel, I never picked up on that. That is a terrific catch! Verrry interrrrresting.

[ishkabibble]

CAYLEE, was Caseys child, not the Anthonys. This is Caseys holdup, I have never seen anything reported on NG, or anywhere else the body was released to the Anthonys, it was realized to the family, Casey has all the say so, its not like she handed custody of the bones to George and Cindy, her "team" has to pick her over once more, and Casey is fine with that, even though she knows EXACTLY what happened to the little girl, but she does not care, she never has, and its sick, but lets pin the blame where it goes.

I agree and if hassled by anyone (family)about it, Casey will play the I can't talk about it , my lawyer won't let me, it's too dangerous card.

[MGM111]

Why??? I just can not think of any valid reason for deleting pictures/etc
of Caylee from the computer in a haste... any theories floating around?

Perhaps she was putting them on a Flash Drive to make more room on her system.....Perhaps she was moving them to a new site that she was creating just for Caylee....Perhaps she just couldnt stand to be reminded of her daughter any longer...

There is no explanation..only theory

[WillowInFlight]

Exactly! Although I do think if they G&C were concerned enough about Caylee being with her mother on June 24th George should have made sure Casey didn't leave the premisis. After all he called LE and reported gas cans stolen that day.
JMO
Now how off is that, they call LE to report gas cans, but never called LE to report the hundred of dollars that Casey has stolen from them.

[MichelleP]

I waffle, as you well know. I need to see the evidence of what killed Caylee before I can determine who killed her. Probably Casey. I don't think Casey is that stupid to put Caylee so close to home. JMO. Someone else is involved, I don't know who yet. JMOA.

I don't think they know a COD so I really don't think they know how she died.

[marshmallow]

Not to my satisfaction as of yet. I'm hoping we never learn it is what many fear.

I would be glad beyond belief to find out that the Anthonys have not profitted in any way from Caylee's life or death but I'm not too certain that's how it will turn out.


I do not want to think the worst of the Anthony family, I'm just too bright to not notice their words and actions. I do not have it in for them but at the same time, I will not pretend to not see them as they are.

[dgfred]

Did G&C know where Casey was at the time they cleaned the vehicle with the 'battlefield' smell? IMO they may have already been in cover-up mode.

[BJames]

Has anyone counted the 31 days? Casey said its been 31 days since the last time I seen Caylee. George says he seen casey and Caylee. The day of the 16 of June .. I counted the days.. If you count the days it was the 15th of JUNE. If it was the 16 of June till the 15 of July when cindy called LE it would have been 30 days.. Count them .


The ' Thirty One days' has always bothered me as well...why not about a month, it'll was a month yesterday, or a month on Tuesday...about 4 weeks..?
And even if we use '31' days...when this was originally 'reported'..the date given was June 9th, yet she still used the 31 days..how is that?
I have always wondered that...

[callmetree]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

as always... thanks blu!

[need2no]

Thats too bad you can only see one point of view. I live in todays world and know almost anyone who gets in the media, makes money. Do you think George and Cindy said, CAsey, kill Caylee so we can make some cash?

Its absurd.


I don't think so...but I do think Cindy ran to the door when opportunity knocked, and somehow can justify in her mind that it's ok, their entitled, after all they've been through.

George is probably ok with it to...no more need to worry about some silly low paying security jobs, or Cindy nagging him about working.

BTW-Aren't you only seeing one point of view, you don't seem very open to opinions that are contrary to yours, imo.

[Katt2]

It's not that they cannot see what the A's have been doing, it's that they believe the A's should be given a pass on everything they have done and will do in the future because they are consumed with grief and denial and therefore are not responsible for acting irrationally. I feel certain if one of the A's were to rob a bank, that would be excused also.

I am speaking from experience in that I have been consumed with grief and one does not always act or think rationally.
It is getting tiresome to have to defend my opinions against posts such as this. I don't excuse the grandparents for everything they have done by any stretch and I have conceded they made some poor choices but these grandparents are attacked for things that have only been speculated about with no factual basis.

[JHP]

Now how off is that, they call LE to report gas cans, but never called LE to report the hundred of dollars that Casey has stolen from them.

Personally I think it's pretty off. I really think the reporting the shed being broken into was supposed to be the start of the script.
JMO

[dgfred]

Perhaps she was putting them on a Flash Drive to make more room on her system.....Perhaps she was moving them to a new site that she was creating just for Caylee....Perhaps she just couldnt stand to be reminded of her daughter any longer...

There is no explanation..only theory

Wasn't she in jail already? Why get someone else to delete them? Very weird for a supposed missing child case???

[destiny1]

Thanks for posting this Starling, it contained this memorable and disgusting exchange:

CINDY ANTHONY: Did Lee tell you how much the reward is to find Caylee?

CASEY ANTHONY: No.

CINDY ANTHONY: Can you imagine?

CASEY ANTHONY: I haven`t heard anything of this, so...

CINDY ANTHONY: It`s over -- I think it`s $225,000.

CASEY ANTHONY: Jesus Christ. That`s half my bond.

Evil, pure evil! :cuss:


That little *****!!! as if Caylees life is somehow less important than her being out of jail to sit in a house wearing an ankle bracelet!

If she would have been bailed out THEY SHOULD HAVE PUT A SHOCK COLLAR ON HER AS WELL!

[*MoonRider*]

The ' Thirty One days' has always bothered me as well...why not about a month, it'll was a month yesterday, or a month on Tuesday...about 4 weeks..?
And even if we use '31' days...when this was originally 'reported'..the date given was June 9th, yet she still used the 31 days..how is that?
I have always wondered that...

I think Casey was counting her days of freedom.

[Katt2]

You must be kidding! Many had harsh words for Natalee Holloway's mother, and many other parents of missing or dead children... and they were NOT even responsible for their child's death. What the Anthonys have done is far more than just profit off of Caylee's death, they have lied, lied, and lied some more. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for the LONGEST time! They have shown no effort to get to the truth whatsoever.

Are you insinuating the grandparents are responsible for Caylee's death? It sure reads that way.

[MalloryCat]

It's not that they cannot see what the A's have been doing, it's that they believe the A's should be given a pass on everything they have done and will do in the future because they are consumed with grief and denial and therefore are not responsible for acting irrationally. I feel certain if one of the A's were to rob a bank, that would be excused also.


Do you realize you are excusing Casey for killing her daughter because you dont like her mother? I mean do you even see that? You hate them because they are not perfect and make excuses for their daughter, and you do the same thing. Really?

[Rayosunshine]

Hi ya Reggie. I know it is normal for families to collect money in these cases. Normally, I don't even discuss the money, but something about the money in this case really bothers me.

If the A's are receiving money from media based outlets, that money is actually coming from the public, who buy into what is advertised for sale. It doesn't matter whether it is a publication or a car or whatever is advertised for sale, it is still money from the public. Advertising sells and makes alot of $$ for the media outlets, and the money comes from you and me, the public.

[MichelleP]

I am speaking from experience in that I have been consumed with grief and one does not always act or think rationally.
It is getting tiresome to have to defend my opinions against posts such as this. I don't excuse the grandparents for everything they have done by any stretch and I have conceded they made some poor choices but these grandparents are attacked for things that have only been speculated about with no factual basis.


I really wouldn't say they have only been attacked for speculation, because that is not true at all.

[Mandysmom]

That is so true, Katt!! Especially your last paragraph. I've seen it in many, many cases.

But it's not okay for THIS family because they raised a monster and it's all their fault Caylee is gone. They are totally despicable characters who "brought it all on themselves."

That's why this family is different. Not that I think so at all, but this is obviously the prevailing opinion.
Did those families you speak of use the money for the defense of the murderer or for living expenses, or did they donate it to a fund to help others?

I know that it would make a difference in my opinion of them.

:confused:

[Rayosunshine]

Are you insinuating the grandparents are responsible for Caylee's death? It sure reads that way.

I kind of think the grandparents knew their daughter very well and knew what she was capable of. I think they lived with their heads in the sand.

[dgfred]

I really wouldn't say they have only been attacked for speculation, because that is not true at all.

True, they sure have muddied the waters quite a bit :thumbdown: .

[MGM111]

Wasn't she in jail already? Why get someone else to delete them? Very weird for a supposed missing child case???

No - she was not yet in Jail when the 200+ photos were deleted

[CANDYKISSES]

Personally I think it's pretty off. I really think the reporting the shed being broken into was supposed to be the start of the script.
JMO


So where would that have put Casey datewise?

I still think we will learn more about a script at some point during a trial. JMO.

[breezie]

OK, time for you to turn the TV off and pay attention to what is being posted here.

Making things up that were not stated isn't right. :rolleyes:

never stopped her before. Can you imagine living with her drama? Almost as bad as Cindy's. Maybe that's why she feels such an affinity for her. :shrug:

[Mandysmom]

I don't think so MM, he was involved in the Natalee Holloway case.

Thanks Willow, I looked it up and he was involved in both. lol

He was a former FBI agent, not Secret Service.

:biggrin:

[breezie]

Do we have any confirmation whatsoever of where their living expenses are coming from? Sounds like a lot of guessing to me.

well, it's sure not from good old-fashioned honest work. That's for sure.

[Katt2]

I really wouldn't say they have only been attacked for speculation, because that is not true at all.

I worded that poorly. Some of the things they have been attacked for are speculation. I find basis for the some of criticism that the Anthony's receive and I really don't have a problem with that but in other cases it is not all factual.

[cog1]

Don't as me, I'm a computer dunce :blushing: . Like someone posted they can still be retrieved, I just don't see any possibly good reason for
doing it in the first place :unsure: .


Good Morning all!!

I shouldn't be on here as I'm supposed to be... working! LOL

Here is my opinion as to why the pics may have been deleted. I think because BOTH Casey and Lee were smart enough to realize that those pictures may outline where she was on certain dates. They may show friends, lovers, etc. homes but NOT the infamous Zanny.

In other words, no pictures taken will show Calylee in the presence of the Nanny.

Since Casey was and I guess still is running with that story then she did not want even MORE proof that the Nanny does not exsist.

Unless they show something more sinister and if that is the case, then Lee IIRC deleted them and he would have obstructed justice in this case.

AMOO

[destiny1]

Hi ya Reggie. I know it is normal for families to collect money in these cases. Normally, I don't even discuss the money, but something about the money in this case really bothers me.

Blood money tends to bother normal decent human beings.

[MichelleP]

Do you realize you are excusing Casey for killing her daughter because you dont like her mother? I mean do you even see that? You hate them because they are not perfect and make excuses for their daughter, and you do the same thing. Really?

It's not that they cannot see what the A's have been doing, it's that they believe the A's should be given a pass on everything they have done and will do in the future because they are consumed with grief and denial and therefore are not responsible for acting irrationally. I feel certain if one of the A's were to rob a bank, that would be excused also.

Notice in that post how she/he said the A's? Where is she/he sticking up for Casey in that post?

[spiritwolf46]

Thank you. :thumbup:

You are VERY welcome! Seems kind of funny to me how WE are told not to dictate, however; this one is ALWAYS dictating to others as to what THEY should think. LOL!

Waddya do? Ya gotta laugh and move on. ;)

The A's have been deplorable and most know it! Again, I will blame them for what they have done and I won't back down from that. They have been horrible, dishonest people and that is just not right when it comes to a little girl that is dead. THEY should have held their daughter accountable for what she did instead of enabling her to continue on with the ridiculous story of Zanny. They knew as soon as they got that car what happened. But hey, apparently it is okay for them to forget about that and the SMELL of their little baby granddaughter's DEATH in that car and enable their daughter. What upstanding people they are. barf

[dgfred]

No - she was not yet in Jail when the 200+ photos were deleted

I thought Lee did the deleting? So they did that together? So you think they might be starting a new site about Caylee, when she didn't
even report her missing for a month?

[Mandysmom]

You must be kidding! Many had harsh words for Natalee Holloway's mother, and many other parents of missing or dead children... and they were NOT even responsible for their child's death. What the Anthonys have done is far more than just profit off of Caylee's death, they have lied, lied, and lied some more. I gave them the benefit of the doubt for the LONGEST time! They have shown no effort to get to the truth whatsoever.
You are absolutely right Bratlings. As a matter of fact, some of the harshest critics of Beth Holloway are right here defending the A's now.

Simply unbelievable.:rolleyes:

[WillowInFlight]

I kind of think the grandparents knew their daughter very well and knew what she was capable of. I think they lived with their heads in the sand.

Oh I think they did too, I think it was easier for them to look the other way than to deal head on with Casey, but I don't believe for a second they ever thought she was capable of killing her 2 year old child. But having said that, I'm not sure if I dreamt this or if I saw it on tv, but I thought at one time Casey said to Cindy "I will kill her before I let you have her", Like I said I might have dreamt it.

[Rayosunshine]

I waffle, as you well know. I need to see the evidence of what killed Caylee before I can determine who killed her. Probably Casey. I don't think Casey is that stupid to put Caylee so close to home. JMO. Someone else is involved, I don't know who yet. JMOA.


I don't really waffle, I am neutral, but tend to move in the direction that Casey committed the crime. I need the evidence, all of it, not what sources close to the investigation have released, hard, concrete evidence. it was quite an enlightening experience to have sat on the jury in a death penalty case. There is a point in time where you realize your decision may end a person's life, not unlike a Godly decision. It is a humbling experience.

[need2no]

Now how off is that, they call LE to report gas cans, but never called LE to report the hundred of dollars that Casey has stolen from them.

Very off....

George admitted she had stolen gas several, or many times, in the past and he didn't have a problem with that...said he just told her to replace it.

I wasn't sure if he meant replace the gas, or replace/return the gas cans.

Anyhow I find it strange on this one occassion he decides to call LE. With nothing else missing from the shed surely he knew casey was the culprit.

Oh, and remember when the media talked to C & G outside of the courthouse and Cindy denied this ever happened. Then during the Greta interview when GVS asked Cindy about the date of the thief Cindy replied she would have to ask George. George wasn't sure of an exact date this could have occurred, but rather stated a range of 2-3dates....until he met with LE, then suddenly he KNEW the exact date. All very strange........

[summer4meplz]

Why??? I just can not think of any valid reason for deleting pictures/etc
of Caylee from the computer in a haste... any theories floating around?

good morning everyone! I am just praying casey didn't delete the 1200 photos that made george throw up.....

[destiny1]

Good Morning all!!

I shouldn't be on here as I'm supposed to be... working! LOL

Here is my opinion as to why the pics may have been deleted. I think because BOTH Casey and Lee were smart enough to realize that those pictures may outline where she was on certain dates. They may show friends, lovers, etc. homes but NOT the infamous Zanny.

In other words, no pictures taken will show Calylee in the presence of the Nanny.

Since Casey was and I guess still is running with that story then she did not want even MORE proof that the Nanny does not exsist.

Unless they show something more sinister and if that is the case, then Lee IIRC deleted them and he would have obstructed justice in this case.

AMOO


Any evidence tampering in a major case can be construed as obstruction no matter the reason.

[WillowInFlight]

I thought Lee did the deleting? So they did that together? So you think they might be starting a new site about Caylee, when she didn't
even report her missing for a month?

I think it was just rumored that Lee wiped her computer.

[Cury-us Coyote]

in the case of Scott Peterson, the Rochas took over both remains and I dont recall any dialogue or motions about who had 'rights'.....he was sitting in jail awaiting trial. his parents expressed a request on his behalf for the Rochas to hold off on administering a service until after his trial and he was free. *rolling my eyes*.... it was his wife and his child. I dont recall a legal 'release' by him.

however, of course nothing was held up regarding laying them to rest.

maybe someone can shed some legal clarification on this issue. I havent seen any legal motions on the defense's side referencing Casey's legal rights regarding her child's remains. or that she has or has not signed anything in that regard.

has anyone else, I might have missed that.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Apparently the non-legal differences included the Rocha family's desire for a timely and dignified interment and no desire to assist the defense team.
jmo

[Mandysmom]

I am speaking from experience in that I have been consumed with grief and one does not always act or think rationally.
It is getting tiresome to have to defend my opinions against posts such as this. I don't excuse the grandparents for everything they have done by any stretch and I have conceded they made some poor choices but these grandparents are attacked for things that have only been speculated about with no factual basis.

You don't have to defend your opinions, Katt. You are very respectful and always have been.

I listen to both sides and I can understand some of the things that the A's have done. Other things I just don't understand at all.

I've been flip flopping on my feelings of sympathy, anger, disgust and back to sympathy again since the beginning.

:crying:

[GinoA797]

The ' Thirty One days' has always bothered me as well...why not about a month, it'll was a month yesterday, or a month on Tuesday...about 4 weeks..?
And even if we use '31' days...when this was originally 'reported'..the date given was June 9th, yet she still used the 31 days..how is that?
I have always wondered that...


I believe Casey said 31 days because it sounds more convincing...like she has been counting the days. :confused:

[summer4meplz]

"She let something happen to her"? She killed her, it's not like she let her go down the slide and she skinned her knee. And as far as denial, the Anthonys have know for months what their daughter did. IMO


iirc from one of cindy's interviews....casey would "scream bloody murder" if Caylee got hurt...

[shelbar53]

Cindy has been heard to say that many times, at least as much as she has defended her. She has stated I know where Casey is and she's safe, my concern is Caylee. I doubt that she has had any communication at all with Casey since she went back to jail, no letters, no phone calls nada.

listen to the tapes of her talking to casey, i never heard cindy tell casey she wants her to come home. those words. "i want you to come home"

[spiritwolf46]

You are absolutely right Bratlings. As a matter of fact, some of the harshest critics of Beth Holloway are right here defending the A's now.

Simply unbelievable.:rolleyes:

:beer: To you and Bratlings! No speculation on that! That is FACT!

[WillowInFlight]

Which is why they will probably charged. Frankly, the whole batch of Anthony's are responsible for what happened to Caylee. Casey being the ultimate culprit. JMO.

So are you saying that as of today Cindy doesn't even get a pass from you?

[destiny1]

I think it was just rumored that Lee wiped her computer.

IIRC, the rumor camer from the forensic examination of the computer and recovery of file fragments and the time it supposedly took Lee to go to Tonys and retrieve the computer and other belongings of Casey.

[breezie]

good morning everyone! I am just praying casey didn't delete the 1200 photos that made george throw up.....

LE has them and showed him some. Even if she deleted, it didn't erase.

[dgfred]

Go back to work! LOL, just kidding.

Lee is in this up to his eyeballs. JMO. Can we say accomplice, and a stupid one at that.

Here's what I can't figure out. Why on earth would the body be left so close to home? Is that stupid or what?

Although, stats seem to say that loved ones are usually buried close to home. Here's the problem. Was Caylee initially buried in the back yard, or just at the "crime scene". Much to ponder here friends.

Maybe they were outsmarting their own selves... thinking LE would think that even they wouldn't be stupid enough to put the body so close to where she lived or trying to make it look as if kidnappers had put her body there to look as if Casey did it... really confusing.

[MGM111]

I thought Lee did the deleting? So they did that together? So you think they might be starting a new site about Caylee, when she didn't
even report her missing for a month?

Nope - I dont think that at all?
casey deleted the photos and it is not known why she did so.
JG reported this to LE during his statement.

[destiny1]

Go back to work! LOL, just kidding.

Lee is in this up to his eyeballs. JMO. Can we say accomplice, and a stupid one at that.

Here's what I can't figure out. Why on earth would the body be left so close to home? Is that stupid or what?

Although, stats seem to say that loved ones are usually buried close to home. Here's the problem. Was Caylee initially buried in the back yard, or just at the "crime scene". Much to ponder here friends.

that bush still bugs me, and so does the report that the dogs hit two times in the back yard area. Of course, if there was anything that got decomp fluids enzymes etc spilled on it and it was ever in that backyard, there could have been contamination.

[*MoonRider*]

You are absolutely right Bratlings. As a matter of fact, some of the harshest critics of Beth Holloway are right here defending the A's now.

Simply unbelievable.:rolleyes:

I'm been reading a lot about personality disorders and came across this

Individuals with Histrionic Personality Disorder exhibit excessive emotionalism--a tendency to regard things in an emotional manner--and are attention seekers. :w00t:

[MichelleP]

So are you saying that as of today Cindy doesn't even get a pass from you?

Maybe there is a couple get out of jail free cards floating around somewhere?

I never trusted any of the Anthony's.

[frances1]

I would be glad beyond belief to find out that the Anthonys have not profitted in any way from Caylee's life or death but I'm not too certain that's how it will turn out.


I do not want to think the worst of the Anthony family, I'm just too bright to not notice their words and actions. I do not have it in for them but at the same time, I will not pretend to not see them as they are.

marsh, those are my feelings exactly. I don't think I was ever really aware that families in these cases received money for pictures and videos, other than for their expenses. I can see how legally, that is permitted, but I personally find it very distasteful. However, if they have tried to copywrite Caylee's name, I think that is crossing the line. And of course, I will never believe that they instigated this whole thing to make money. How absurd.

[dgfred]

Another thing that really, really bugs me is the shovel deal :scared: . What on earth would she need the shovel for? Of course it is not the 'digging up' bamboo or whatever thing the parents stated.

[happygert]

The ' Thirty One days' has always bothered me as well...why not about a month, it'll was a month yesterday, or a month on Tuesday...about 4 weeks..?
And even if we use '31' days...when this was originally 'reported'..the date given was June 9th, yet she still used the 31 days..how is that?
I have always wondered that...

Exactly.. I also believe that the 9th of June something happened and casey took Caylee and left. IMO she brought her back for her mom to take to nursing home that day.(Fathers Day). When she came to pick her up or came home they got into a knock down drag out. At that time she probably took Caylee again and that was night she was murdered. IIRC In Cindys 911 call she says she hasn't seen Caylee since the 7th of June. But anyway June 15 till the 16th of July is 31 days.

Also the dogs hit where I believe casey would have hid her body. Her little playhouse, her sandbox with a lid, and the pool area.
Cindy said that the ladder was not near the pool on that Monday which would have been the 16th but the ladder was there on that Tuesday the 17th. and gate was opened. She also said last time anyone swam was on the 15th.

[WillowInFlight]

that bush still bugs me, and so does the report that the dogs hit two times in the back yard area. Of course, if there was anything that got decomp fluids enzymes etc spilled on it and it was ever in that backyard, there could have been contamination.

Didn't Cindy at one time say that George cut himself at some point in the back yard, and thats how she explained the dogs hitting. Of course that was after she said the dogs hitting was inconsistent.

[shelbar53]

Nope - I dont think that at all?
casey deleted the photos and it is not known why she did so.
JG reported this to LE during his statement.

IIRC, casey deleted over 200 photos of caylee before she was reported missing

[Ladyhawk]

Do you realize you are excusing Casey for killing her daughter because you dont like her mother? I mean do you even see that? You hate them because they are not perfect and make excuses for their daughter, and you do the same thing. Really?

You are completely out of line with your response to my post. Where does it say I excuse Casey? Where does it say I don't like her mother? Where do I say I hate anyone for any reason?

[destiny1]

Am I wrong in assuming this is a mobil laptop?
? No. that's the point of a laptop. she either had an air card or a wi fi card so she could surf.

[happygert]

Personally, I'm not too concerned about the dates stated by any of the Anthony's. Casey said June 9th. We "think" Caylee was videoed at Great Grand Dad's nursing home on the 15th of June. Do we know that for sure?

"Are you tired Papa?" Just breaks my heart.

According to the Books at the nursing home it was the 15th of June that cindy and Caylee was there.

[no1what]

Good Morning all!!

I shouldn't be on here as I'm supposed to be... working! LOL

Here is my opinion as to why the pics may have been deleted. I think because BOTH Casey and Lee were smart enough to realize that those pictures may outline where she was on certain dates. They may show friends, lovers, etc. homes but NOT the infamous Zanny.

In other words, no pictures taken will show Calylee in the presence of the Nanny.

Since Casey was and I guess still is running with that story then she did not want even MORE proof that the Nanny does not exsist.

Unless they show something more sinister and if that is the case, then Lee IIRC deleted them and he would have obstructed justice in this case.

AMOO

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def. Lee was the one. If I remember correctly TonE's interview with LE said that when Cindy arrived to pick up Casey that Casey was using the lap top. So the lap top was working at the time that Lee picked it up unless TonE did something to it.

[Neffy]

That is so true, Katt!! Especially your last paragraph. I've seen it in many, many cases.

But it's not okay for THIS family because they raised a monster and it's all their fault Caylee is gone. They are totally despicable characters who "brought it all on themselves."

That's why this family is different. Not that I think so at all, but this is obviously the prevailing opinion.

You have a habit of posting for others. Why don't you post your own thoughts because believe me you have the others wrong.

The A's have sold out at the starting gate is the issue. The A's went along with this farce of a defense and seemed to have there own distorted version of taking lemons and making lemonade. We'll live off of how we profit and we'll give some to charity and defend casey.

They asked for help but didn't like the "help" they recieved and let everyone know it in some nice colorful language and added insults from LE to Tim Miller to the public.

This is not like other murder victim families. I've never seen one quite like it. I hope that other people will not follow in their footsteps on how they hindered and slapped down the very people trying to help, solve and locate their missing grandchild.

[WillowInFlight]

When did George throw up? And why?

When he saw the disgusting pictures of his daughter

[Elle]

I waffle, as you well know. I need to see the evidence of what killed Caylee before I can determine who killed her. Probably Casey. I don't think Casey is that stupid to put Caylee so close to home. JMO. Someone else is involved, I don't know who yet. JMOA.


IMO, that is why Casey may be smarter than you think. Let me add that I do not think she is smart, but I believe she believes she is smart and tried to be clever.

IMO she makes numerous phone calls, then there are suspiscious pings out by the airport. I believe she knew full well her calls would be able to be traced and purposefully went out of her way. I don't find it at all strange that Caylee was placed so close to home. Sometimes hiding in plain sight is most effective (not literally plain sight, but you know what I mean)
Maybe she did have an accomplice after Caylee's death, that I am not sure of, but I bet Baez is banking on people thinking along the same lines, that Casey would not be so stupid as to leave Caylee where IMO she did.

[MichelleP]

Sorry, that made me laugh. Lots of people have been stressing over the bush. None of this is making sense. The cadaver dogs hit in the back yard. Okay, so Caylee was buried in the back yard. Then moved 15 houses away? What am I missing?


Maybe she/someone knew that the police would eventually be called and knew the house/yard would be searched so they moved it?

[ellegna]

Another thing that really, really bugs me is the shovel deal :scared: . What on earth would she need the shovel for? Of course it is not the 'digging up' bamboo or whatever thing the parents stated.

Just guessing. Casey probably planned to bury Caylee in the woods where her remains were found. Realizing she couldn't because of all the plant/tree roots, Casey decided to leave the body hidden in the undergrowth instead. :shrug:

[breezie]

Its called reading prior posts, its more than obvious of your disdain for this family, I guess we see things differently because to me, you and Cindy seem very similar.

jmo

LOL!

really now..

[summer4meplz]

IIRC, casey deleted over 200 photos of caylee before she was reported missing


I'm pretty sure casey knew her "free" time was running out......I just hope the child porn theory is bogus......

[need2no]

Didn't Cindy at one time say that George cut himself at some point in the back yard, and thats how she explained the dogs hitting. Of course that was after she said the dogs hitting was inconsistent.

Yes, something about leveling the house. Cindy also mentioned George's sweat along with cutting his hand.

No wonder those poor dogs had 'inconsistent hits', they got confused and thrown off by George's sweat and blood that kinda smelled like decomp. :rolleyes:

[destiny1]

Sorry, that made me laugh. Lots of people have been stressing over the bush. None of this is making sense. The cadaver dogs hit in the back yard. Okay, so Caylee was buried in the back yard. Then moved 15 houses away? What am I missing?

I believe that , and this is pure speculation,

1. If in fact caylee was murdered at the house casey panicked and hid her in the playhouse area. After giving it what she passes off as thought, she took her to the trunk of the car so that parents wouldnt find her.

2. If she took Caylee away from the house a distance to do the deed, she put her in the trunk and then later threw away something that had been in contact with the body or at least took it out of her trunk.

It doesn't take long for trace human decomp to start showing up. Very soon after death.And yes, that bush is still stressing me out! :lol:

[courtsinsession]

Which is why they will probably charged. Frankly, the whole batch of Anthony's are responsible for what happened to Caylee. Casey being the ultimate culprit. JMO.

I have to respectfully disagree with you; there are many many dysfunctional families, all kinds of parents enable their rotten spoiled kids but those kids don't kill their babies; What Casey did, IMO is representative of a socipathic personality and she alone is responsible for murdering Caylee. I mean you can talk about any person who kills and was abused (as an example), that the whole family is responsible for what that person did but that just isn't the case IMO. Most mothers don't murder their children and throw them away in garbage bags. Yes, the Anthony family's behavior has been deplorable and they are disgusting but I am sure in their wildest dreams they never envisioned Casey had the potential to be a murderer.