Wednesday Jan 7, Part 1

[steffaroob4]

A hearing is scheduled (http://www.wesh.com/news/18422273/detail.html) for Thursday at 1:30 p.m. before Circuit Court Judge Stan Strickland in the Orange County Courthouse. PDF: Casey Anthony's Motion On Caylee's Remains | Prosecutors Motion On Images Of Caylee's Remains

[Roux]

Nope - I dont think that at all?
casey deleted the photos and it is not known why she did so.
JG reported this to LE during his statement.

I'm confused about the deleted photos because in one George's interviews, I understood they were talking about pix of Casey, not Caylee.

[SavannahStar]

I agree, Casey may have killed Caylee, but George and Cindy allowed her to become who she is today.

Oh Willow.

:sad:

Do you believe every parent of every murderer is responsible for what their children have done?

[Neffy]

Maybe because the images are of his clients grandaughter.

OH he's siding with the state. DON'T YOU RELEASE THEM.

He knows how easily it is for the pics to go up for sale to the highest bidder. :)

Way to go Anthony's :w00t:

[Pooh]

Anthony Family Lawyer Meets With Prosecutors (http://www.wftv.com/video/18429746/index.html)
video

Ok, so why does this motion hold up the memorial service for Caylee? They can't bury her until the judge rules on this motion for the State? Why? I don't get it.

[CANDYKISSES]

And perhaps something Cindy said in the text message (s) proves to LE that the A's have sold pics/video for a profit, or were negotiating to do so, and that explains why they are concerned about the pics of Caylee's skeletal remains, etc being sold.

Yes, don't forget that Garrison claims to have more than just what came out on the hairbrush. I can imagine those emails and text messages could have gotten heated if that was the mode of communication with Cindy. JMO. :unsure:

[WillowInFlight]

Oh Willow.

:sad:

Do you believe every parent of every murderer is responsible for what their children have done?

Savannah, I believe that every child is a product of their upbringing. I think George and Cindy failed Casey miserably.

[SavannahStar]

Maybe these old eyes are failing me, but I don't see tape.


I don't either.

[ishkabibble]

I'm confused about the deleted photos because in one George's interviews, I understood they were talking about pix of Casey, not Caylee.

Jesse stated that Casey had deleted many photos of Caylee off her my space page. LE was talking to George about pictures on the internet of Casey that were shall we say "less than tasteful" two entirely different sets of pictures.

[happygert]

So...are the Anthony's accountable to pay for Casey's defense if she doesn't have any money?
I was thinking that she would be appointed a public defender if she was considered by all rights to be 'indigent'...and without all of these photos of the baby (etc.) by all means she is..

Heres what IMO is going to happen. Once trial starts they will ask state to pay for there fees.. They claim casey is indigent. Just like MG did in SP's case.

[Stella Rose]

I delete really bad pics myself. My grand daughter takes pictures of the wall and the carpet. Is that what people mean by "really bad" photos?

Not to be contrary, but didn't you just say two hours ago that you never delete pictures? Don't even know how?

QUOTE: Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresca
Open Explorer, find the file, single click on it and press <Delete>

QUOTE: Dunlurken
Like I said, ain't a chance in hell I'm going to do that. Takes me 4-ever to upload them. Hook up my camera, turn off the computer, or is the other way around.

First, and foremost, we need to know if pictures were actually deleted. I think it's a rumor. But I'm usually wrong. LOL.

Not sure what this has to do with Casey deleting pictures, but it sure made me scratch my head.

[kitty1182]

Can you imagine if Casey took pictures of Caylee's body to use in the future as a weapon to hurt her parents? God forbid!



Oh Gosh, I hadn't thought of that.:sad:

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, don't forget that Garrison claims to have more than just what came out on the hairbrush. I can imagine those emails and text messages could have gotten heated if that was the mode of communication with Cindy. JMO. :unsure:

I'm not sure how much I would trust what Garrison had to say.

[NYGalPal]

OH he's siding with the state. DON'T YOU RELEASE THEM.

He knows how easily it is for the pics to go up for sale to the highest bidder. :)

Way to go Anthony's :w00t:

snap

What world will Casey be cleared? Not on this one. :lol:

[Neffy]

No. I think you misunderstood my post. I am saying that the pictures are marketable, due to the public's want of them.

I thought the pictures were marketable to profit first and foremost. Why else does someone sell anything. To make a buck!

[bchand]

I think there has been a huge misunderstanding and that it is the website that has been trademarked and not the photos or her name.

Why would a website have to be trademarked. You pay for it, it's yours.

[SavannahStar]

Savannah, I believe that every child is a product of their upbringing. I think George and Cindy failed Casey miserably.

To me that is the same as saying it is their fault Caylee is dead. I do not believe that.


If what you say is true, though, how do you reconcile children who have been raised in the worst environment possible, with terrible parents....far worse than you imagine George and Cindy to be.... and turn out to be upstanding citizens, doctors, lawyers, public servants and the like?

[Pooh]

Ok, so why does this motion hold up the memorial service for Caylee? They can't bury her until the judge rules on this motion for the State? Why? I don't get it.

Ok - just read the motion and I understand it now. Nevermind!

[NYGalPal]

OMG, if you or me & everyone else as parents are not responsible for what type of responsible law biding citizen/or sociopath we raise and then send out into society then who is?????!!!

Exellent point that is over looked by some.

[Neffy]

Do you think Cindy & George leased out the photos & videos for licensing fees due to 'the public's want of them?'

Ah those Anthony's always thinking about others :wub:

[jakee]

Maybe these old eyes are failing me, but I don't see tape.

I don't see it yet either. My eyes are bad, but I did stare at another crime scene photo looking for the white sunglasses and I finally think I saw them! I just have to look a little harder at this one I guess. :smile:

[bchand]

Not to be contrary, but didn't you just say twop hours ago that you never delete pictures? Don't even know how?

QUOTE: Quote:
Originally Posted by Fresca
Open Explorer, find the file, single click on it and press <Delete>

Like I said, ain't a chance in hell I'm going to do that. Takes me 4-ever to upload them. Hook up my camera, turn off the computer, or is the other way around.

First, and foremost, we need to know if pictures were actually deleted. I think it's a rumor. But I'm usually wrong. LOL.

Not sure what this has to do with Casey deleting pictures, but it sure made me scratch my head.


Is this the first time Stella? :wink:

[jessie]

I am so done responding to you now, you finally succeeded in driving me away too. Great job. I wish everyone would just learn to drive on by some postings. I will be leaving the board now due to this kind of stuff. I like to read and discuss, but mostly read, about this case.

[happygert]

what are we suppose to see?

Blow up inside the circles. hold down ctrl button and hit the + sign

[Mimi428]

I agree, Casey may have killed Caylee, but George and Cindy allowed her to become who she is today.

I am very firmly on the side of nature, when it comes to psychopaths.

I have read way too much & have had personal & work experience going back sooo many years (I really don't want to admit how many) - & I am more convinced now than 30+ years ago that there are people for whom very little could have ever been done to alter the path they were on.

We can grasp the concept that a person with epilepsy has a brain with does not function the same as a person without epilepsy. Same with head trauma patients, stroke patients. If specific areas of the brain are impaired - whether congenitally or acquired, deficits in function will result. It is easy to comprehend a person who can no longer speak properly after a stroke - that deficit is noticeable. But thought processes - & what areas of the brain work in what ways during thought processes - have, until fairly recently, been a mystery to us. That mystery is being slowly unlocked through specific uses of MRI's, PET scans & the like - which can show us how the brain functions differently in a regular law-abiding person, vs a psychopath (as one example).

I'm not saying George & Cindy were perfect parents. They have surely said & done things that have struck me as being way off the norm. But if the day ever comes when the workings of Casey's brain could be studied, I would be willing to bet the house that it would show very pronounced abnormalities in the areas that process thoughts of empathy, altruism, etc.

JMO

[bchand]

Not forever. If you don't pay you lose it and it's out there up for grabs again. If it's trademarked no one can use it later. IMO

I know you have to renew it but not for a year or more definitely.

Can you show me a link where you can trademark a website yet not pay for it?

[WillowInFlight]

To me that is the same as saying it is their fault Caylee is dead. I do not believe that.


If what you say is true, though, how do you reconcile children who have been raised in the worst environment possible, with terrible parents....far worse than you imagine George and Cindy to be.... and turn out to be upstanding citizens, doctors, lawyers, public servants and the like?

Stop asking me the hard questions. LOL j/k. I equate those people to like children that have grown up to be abused and made the effort to stop the cycle. It's hard to put it down, but if you want to come over for lunch I'll try to explain what I mean.

[happygert]

Yep, they need to be babysat.

I don't honestly think this will work but it does send a message loud and clear that Baez is a skank.

It may also send a message to other families who have a murdered relative that you lose credibilty once you start selling your family member off. For every action there is a reaction.

ITA. They don't trust any of them with these photos.

[Stella Rose]

Is this the first time Stella? :wink:

First time I've been contrary? Nah.

As for a topic: does anyone know if Strickland will indeed stay with the case throughout the trial?

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes, that makes a lot of sense! I mean after all he originally signed on to supposedly "rehabilitate" the Anthony's image and he tried but they just couldnt stop talking to the press and undoing everything he attempted but STILL he kept with them when most would agree that any normal attorney would have said, "STOP! or I am done". That didn't drive him away, it was something bigger imo.

Yes, ITA, and it sickened him to the core IMO after hearing both of his interviews that day. I wish someone had the second one where he was just a bit more candid while still honoring his ethics. JMOOC. :blink:

[Neffy]

Here WillowInFlight check out this picture and see what you can see..
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee69/5boxersmom/351a691.jpg

Yes its the tape that NO ONE HAS DENIED being there..

I see a squid :(

[SavannahStar]

OMG, if you or me & everyone else as parents are not responsible for what type of responsible law biding citizen/or sociopath we raise and then send out into society then who is?????!!!

That's twisting what I say. Of course parents are responsible to raise their children to become responsible and good, moral adults. But there is so much in addition to parental guidance and upbringing that goes into what makes an adult the type of person he or she ends up.

Otherwise every child raised by good parents would be a wonderful adult and every child raised by rotten parents would be a rotten adult.

And that is just not the case at all.

[happygert]

Thanks for the photo, HappyGert, but I am with Fallen Angel on this. My eyesight is still pretty good and I don't see anything there except some fallen Autumn leaves, some mucky growth, dirt. :confused:

LOOk inside the small circle blow it up..theres a big white one with arrow follow the top arrow and blow up the light white circle.

[MalloryCat]

Black duct tape is what I see.

:lol::lol:

Matrixing.

[BJames]

A question for anyone in the know?

So say I am great-great-great Aunt Susan, and I have a photograph I took of Caylee at a family get together a year ago.
By law...would I have the 'right' to sell that and/or profit...because I took it...or I was 'family'...or maybe both?

Thanks to anyone who knows :)

[Stella Rose]

Here WillowInFlight check out this picture and see what you can see..
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee69/5boxersmom/351a691.jpg

Yes its the tape that NO ONE HAS DENIED being there..

Sorry, not Willow, but I don't see a darn thing. What do you see? I blew it up to the point of being completely pixellated - but nothing. Thanks.

[Neffy]

LINK? Otherwise I will not believe it until I read their submitted response and/or request to intervene.

I'm sorry I forgot to add it:

Baahahahahahahahahaha.com

[NYGalPal]

Oh Willow.

:sad:

Do you believe every parent of every murderer is responsible for what their children have done?

If you were a real parent you wouldn't ask this question. It is a given. It is how you raise your children to be responsible for their actions. Now how does one who doesn't understand this concept know how to do that?

[kitty1182]

Thats exactly what I did & a strip of black duct tape is clearly visible.

I can't get it to blow up..lol

Can someone blow it up and post the blow up pic?

[WillowInFlight]

:lol::lol:

Matrixing.

I'm just not seeing it.

[happygert]

"There's nothing there. Some dirt on the lense. Seaweed?" "It's a shark I tell ya!"

Seriously, Happy, there is nothing there. If you are trying to say that a dried up shrivelled leave is a piece of duct tape, I think that might be "reaching". There's nothing there. Sorry.

seriously January there is something there. I would NOT send a link to a PICTURE that LE released if there was nothing there..

[*MoonRider*]

Exactly! And who is making those car payments and mortgage payments? Buying the food and paying the electric bills? The 401k was long ago used up according to the family to pay Casey's debts. Cindy testified they were heavily in debt at the bond hearing but even from unemployment she wouldn't be making as much as she was working.

Don't forget the security detail, surveillance system, private investigators and attorneys. Even Cindy's mom wondered how George could afford gas to pull that billboard around. :confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

I am very firmly on the side of nature, when it comes to psychopaths.

I have read way too much & have had personal & work experience going back sooo many years (I really don't want to admit how many) - & I am more convinced now than 30+ years ago that there are people for whom very little could have ever been done to alter the path they were on.

We can grasp the concept that a person with epilepsy has a brain with does not function the same as a person without epilepsy. Same with head trauma patients, stroke patients. If specific areas of the brain are impaired - whether congenitally or acquired, deficits in function will result. It is easy to comprehend a person who can no longer speak properly after a stroke - that deficit is noticeable. But thought processes - & what areas of the brain work in what ways during thought processes - have, until fairly recently, been a mystery to us. That mystery is being slowly unlocked through specific uses of MRI's, PET scans & the like - which can show us how the brain functions differently in a regular law-abiding person, vs a psychopath (as one example).

I'm not saying George & Cindy were perfect parents. They have surely said & done things that have struck me as being way off the norm. But if the day ever comes when the workings of Casey's brain could be studied, I would be willing to bet the house that it would show very pronounced abnormalities in the areas that process thoughts of empathy, altruism, etc.

JMO


Mimi, several problems there IMO. First is that we still have no professional diagnosis on Casey by someone who has actually examined her.

Next is the fact that even Casey and Cindy admit they are very much alike and I think it's easy to see simply from what we've been presented with in a very public forum. But hey, that's just what they both say and how they both act IMO. :blink:

I think one of my reality checks came in when Cindy told the public to get off their azzes to look for Caylee as she sat on her behind waiting for other people to do things.

I liken that to Casey griping about HER GIVING LE all kinds of RESOURCES and still no Caylee.

Like mother like daughter IMO. Only difference at this point is that Casey somehow is responsible for Caylee's death from my POV. :sad:

[bchand]

First time I've been contrary? Nah.

As for a topic: does anyone know if Strickland will indeed stay with the case throughout the trial?


I'm hoping he will. Baez just put a motion before him so maybe that bodes well.

[NYGalPal]

The person being irresponsible is the one responsible. The one making bad choices is the one resposible.

You can be the best parents in the world and raise an irresponsible, lawless child. It happens all the time and in every family at some point. There's more influences in a child's life than the parents and sometimes the outside influences are much stronger. I also think that sociopaths are born not made.

Agree, but as you the parent(s), you don't cover for them when they go out and commit murderer, especially when it is your grand child you are supposed to love.

No excuses.

[happygert]

If that picture was in the original picture drop I don't think it has any value as evidence. Anything that LE might consider as evidence was not released to the public.

JMO

Not going to argue this but Im telling you. IMO the LE OVER LOOKED THIS when they DUMPED it.. If I knew how to get it on my computer and crop it and blow it up so you can see what im talking about I would . BUt I dont and cant ..Not saying anymore..

[MalloryCat]

I'm just not seeing it.

Well, you cant see something that isnt there!

[Pooh]

I'm hoping he will. Baez just put a motion before him so maybe that bodes well.

Cury posted this on the LINKS thread on 1/3/09:

Current Judge CHANGED

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
Current Judge: ADAMS, JOHN H SR

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/c...es/index.shtml

[SavannahStar]

Stop asking me the hard questions. LOL j/k. I equate those people to like children that have grown up to be abused and made the effort to stop the cycle. It's hard to put it down, but if you want to come over for lunch I'll try to explain what I mean.


Lunch sounds great! :biggrin:

This reminds me of one of my own mother's old adages, after I become a mother myself. She very often warned me: "a mother is ALWAYS blamed." She said you can do the best job possible with your child, be the best parent you know how, give them the best upbringing you can, in every way, but watch, whenever that child does something wrong...the mother will always be blamed. Always. I sure do see that now.

[bchand]

Ok let me see if I can explain this.


Say they set up the website then a few years down the road they stop paying for it. Then someone else decides to use that website name and start a derogatory website. If the first one was trademarked the second one couldn't be made using the same name because of the trademark.

That would be one reason to trademark a website name.....to ensure that no one else uses that web name for any reason.


You just added "derogatory" to the plate. They couldn't profit from using the name either.

See

www.cayleemarieanthony.net

Doesn't seem to be a problem.

[WillowInFlight]

Are you serious? You must be talking about yourself. You must want those photo's. I know for a FACT, I don't want those photo's out there.

Nor I, I still get the chills when I think of the pictures that were plastered out there of ANS and her son.

[SavannahStar]

If you took the photo you own it.

But but but......something popped into my mind. Hasn't it come up recently, for instance in school sports pics, etc., that for the photographer to put the pics in the paper or elsewhere, the parent has to give permission? I just thought of that for some reason.

[bchand]

Cury posted this on the LINKS thread on 1/3/09:

Current Judge CHANGED

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
Current Judge: ADAMS, JOHN H SR

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/
http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/c...es/index.shtml

I'm not going to keep arguing this point.

We'll see when it comes time for trial.

[MalloryCat]

Nor I, I still get the chills when I think of the pictures that were plastered out there of ANS and her son.

Didn't Annas kids grandma get paid for a photo session at his grave, I recall something like that? I doubt we will see that kind of sick behavior, well, only if Casey gets out of jail and needs some quick cash. barf

[NYGalPal]

Why is the picture book which supposedly belonged to Caylee out there. I think it is not of value either.

This was discussed a few days ago. You were here for that discussion. You base this what is of value or not on what now?

[tybek]

That's twisting what I say. Of course parents are responsible to raise their children to become responsible and good, moral adults. But there is so much in addition to parental guidance and upbringing that goes into what makes an adult the type of person he or she ends up.

Otherwise every child raised by good parents would be a wonderful adult and every child raised by rotten parents would be a rotten adult.

And that is just not the case at all.

I agree with you. Casey didn't have the best upbringing and it sure didn't help, but I think something is biologically wrong with her brain. I also think of the Lori Hacking murder by her husband, Mark Hacking. Nothing ever came out about his family other than that they were a wonderful, loving and supportive family (and hers too). His siblings were successful and normal, yet he led a double life and murdered his wife/unborn baby. That is one of the reasons that case has stuck with me so, because everything was so "normal", he appeared to have all the advantages in upbringing yet in the end he did something completely evil and monsterous. I think something was wrong with his brain as well. So while I think how a person is raised can definitely contribute to their development into a murderer, I don't think that always is the case. Plus some people survive pretty horrible upbringings and still turn out ok, and even become advocates against the ills they faced in their own upbringings...IMO

[Neffy]

If you took the photo you own it.

And if you want to make a buck you sell it.

[BJames]

If you took the photo you own it.

OK..thank You!

How about if someone sent it to me in an email? Would one have to have 'proof' of the original image and how it was taken?

Thanks..

[SavannahStar]

Well, look at the parents of Ted Kaczynski. One son is the Unabomber, another son is the person who turned in his own brother as being the Unabomber, knowing that at the very least, he would face life in prison. One committed horrendous acts of overwhelming callousness & cruelty - the other dealt with the dilemma of knowing that no matter how much he loved his brother, he could not bear to go on with the knowledge that Ted was on the loose, free to potentially murder again.

SAME family. SAME parents. The differences between their sons is in the core brain functioning of each. One was so skewed he could cold-bloodedly plan to kill people. The other was so moral, he could not bear to allow murders to go unsolved when he believed he held the key to solving them.

It is without question that parents SHOULD strive to be 'good parents'. But there is no guarantee that being a good parent will result in a child who is moral & law-abiding.

JMO

Oh again, perfectly well said. And great example!

[WillowInFlight]

Didn't Annas kids grandma get paid for a photo session at his grave, I recall something like that? I doubt we will see that kind of sick behavior, well, only if Casey gets out of jail and needs some quick cash. barf

She sure did as she threw herself on his grave.

[bchand]

Well, look at the parents of Ted Kaczynski. One son is the Unabomber, another son is the person who turned in his own brother as being the Unabomber, knowing that at the very least, he would face life in prison. One committed horrendous acts of overwhelming callousness & cruelty - the other dealt with the dilemma of knowing that no matter how much he loved his brother, he could not bear to go on with the knowledge that Ted was on the loose, free to potentially murder again.
SAME family. SAME parents. The differences between their sons is in the core brain functioning of each. One was so skewed he could cold-bloodedly plan to kill people. The other was so moral, he could not bear to allow murders to go unsolved when he believed he held the key to solving them.
It is without question that parents SHOULD strive to be 'good parents'. But there is no guarantee that being a good parent will result in a child who is moral & law-abiding.

JMO


Very good example. Do you see ANY resemblance to this morality in the Anthony family?

[Ladyhawk]

I think there has been a huge misunderstanding and that it is the website that has been trademarked and not the photos or her name.

Websites can be copyrighted by the website designer and/or the website owner. Product names or "marks" are trademarked. Personal names cannot be trademarked. By placing a TM behind her name does not accomplish the granting of a Trademark nor does it copyright the website so to me, it appears to be a bluff move. If they really don't want pics to be downloaded from the website, they should attach a little piece of code to prevent it.

[happygert]

Thats exactly what I did & a strip of black duct tape is clearly visible.

Yes it is.. at least thats what i see and then some. Dont think this photo was supposed to be released what do you think LandShark?

[DeeN]

good morning everyone! I am just praying casey didn't delete the 1200 photos that made george throw up.....:ohmy:

Now that will be a real bombshell when those are released!

As George has seen them, and apparently LE has too, it's just a matter of time before someone get's ahold of them and releases them.

Then maybe we'll really know what Casey was really doing with her time, instead of working for Universal Studios!

[bchand]

My daughter graduated last year. Her senior picture was in the newspaper and I didn't have to give permission. And my 14 year old's picture was in the paper when they did a story on a project the class was working on and I wasn't asked if they could put it in the paper so maybe it depends on the city/state?


So if your 14 yr old was walking in a mall and some stranger took her picture, he owns it right?

[MalloryCat]

:ohmy:

Now that will be a real bombshell when those are released!

As George has seen them, and apparently LE has too, it's just a matter of time before someone get's ahold of them and releases them.

Then maybe we'll really know what Casey was really doing with her time, instead of working for Universal Studios!


George was never shown any pictures and puked, it was in talking about the decomp. And lets say Casey had a boyfriend and they took some naked pictures, its really not a big deal in this day and age.

[NYGalPal]

That's twisting what I say. Of course parents are responsible to raise their children to become responsible and good, moral adults. But there is so much in addition to parental guidance and upbringing that goes into what makes an adult the type of person he or she ends up.

Otherwise every child raised by good parents would be a wonderful adult and every child raised by rotten parents would be a rotten adult.

And that is just not the case at all.There are a lot of rotten adults out there. The As for example.

If you aren't a responsible adult with good moral judgement. You can't teach your off spring what you don't do yourself.

[WillowInFlight]

There are a lot of rotten adults out there. The As for example.

If you aren't a responsible adult with good moral judgement. You can't teach your off spring what you don't do yourself.

This I agree with.

[MalloryCat]

I think you might be right.

That photo & the photo which might show a book.

:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

Yeah, thats the ticket.

Has it been established it was a book yet?

Matrixing.

[tybek]

Very good example. Do you see ANY resemblance to this morality in the Anthony family?

I don't see any resemblence between Ted's brother and the Anthony's. But I don't think that was MIMI's point. She was responding to the argument that every parent of a murderer is responsible for the murderer's actions because they raised the murderer and their upbringing must be the cause. IMO

[tybek]

Snipped for emphasis...

All of it could have possibly been prevented had someone stepped in as opposed to ignoring the signs.

I think this very same thing can be said for Casey. IMO

[destiny1]

good morning everyone! I am just praying casey didn't delete the 1200 photos that made george throw up.....

They are already in evidence I would assume, otherwise George couldnt have been sickened by the sight of them, if in fact that is what made him ill. That is our problem with this case. There is always an if!

[Neffy]

She sure did as she threw herself on his grave.

OH no I don't even want to think about going there................

[happygert]

If some of us are doubting that highly, then honestly, Happy, and you know I luvs ya, the State better be planning to put on a better show than that, because no jury is going to buy that this photo is a piece of ducT tape.

January you just have to look.....I cant explain it here...you have to see this for yourself..sorry.

[BJames]

So true, and even casey admitted she and Cindy were a lot alike.

I do agree with them...they both appear to believe that they are 'smarter' than anyone else.

Just my opinion of course...

[WillowInFlight]

So, what's the point? Cindy murdered Caylee?

How in the world did you get that out of her post?

[SavannahStar]

So, what's the point? Cindy murdered Caylee?


I think the point we are supposed to be getting is, "she might as well have," or "she's just as much at fault as Casey is."

:confused:

Wow. Just wow.

[NYGalPal]

So true, and even casey admitted she and Cindy were a lot alike.

A lot and than some. Shudder.

We have learned in cases where the parents don't really care their son or daugher killed someone. They just don't want them to take responsibilty for it so they help cover up the crime in any way they can. They even go as far as lying on the stand for their evil off spring. Now, to me that is sick and wrong on every level.

[canada]

Something about... it would have to be during her regularly scheduled TV time to facilitate it but the jail will make the ultimate decision when the time comes. Honestly I cant see them not allowing her to view it, they need to appear decent so that Baez cant use it against them at the trial.

Law enforcement and corrections are two different entities. Jail policy and procedure is not dictated by anybody but corrections officials. If the jail denies Casey going to the funeral or even watching it on television then that is their decision based on their own policy and reasons.

[bchand]

Yes he would.



§ 201. Ownership of copyright1


(a) Initial Ownership. — Copyright in a work protected under this title vests initially in the author or authors of the work. The authors of a joint work are coowners of copyright in the work.

http://www.copyright.gov/title17/92chap2.html#201


Oh come on now bookie - get real.

If a stranger took a photo of a minor in a mall, without the parent's permission, he'd be more worried about being incarcerated than dealing with copyright.

[kitty1182]

January you just have to look.....I cant explain it here...you have to see this for yourself..sorry.

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee69/5boxersmom/351a691.jpg



I'm looking at the little fine line circle inside the big white circle...
Is that what you are talking about? Inside the little circle that is outlined in a fine white outline..

[SavannahStar]

January you just have to look.....I cant explain it here...you have to see this for yourself..sorry.


Gert I have to ask you this....do you think pics would have been released that had actual evidence in them? The alleged duct tape and the alleged book? I wonder about that. I think there MAY have been duct tape found (not confirmed yet though) but why would they have allowed a photo of it to be out there? Same with the book. I don't believe that is Caylee's book.

[Neffy]

My daughter graduated last year. Her senior picture was in the newspaper and I didn't have to give permission. And my 14 year old's picture was in the paper when they did a story on a project the class was working on and I wasn't asked if they could put it in the paper so maybe it depends on the city/state?

I sign a record release evey year during the first week of school to allow this or disallow it thru the school.

The same thing for summer baseball league which is a city league.

[DeeN]

George was never shown any pictures and puked, it was in talking about the decomp. And lets say Casey had a boyfriend and they took some naked pictures, its really not a big deal in this day and age.

Watch George's first interview with LE. He did indeed talk about those pictures, and although no... he did not "puke", he told LE they made him physically sick.

[*MoonRider*]

So true, and even casey admitted she and Cindy were a lot alike.

Remember the interview when Cindy was asked what kind of a mother Casey was? Her response was she gave her a bath in the morning and at night just like I did with my kids. She's just like me grrrr

[tybek]

Me neither but I was using her example as an example of how moral people act "after something happens."

Then ITA with you!

[spiritwolf46]

I think the point we are supposed to be getting is, "she might as well have," or "she's just as much at fault as Casey is."

:confused:

Wow. Just wow.


That is NOT the point, but you and the other poster just keep on spinning.

WOW! Just WOW!

[Ladyhawk]

But but but......something popped into my mind. Hasn't it come up recently, for instance in school sports pics, etc., that for the photographer to put the pics in the paper or elsewhere, the parent has to give permission? I just thought of that for some reason.

You are right, for anyone to display a photo of your child in the public domain, with or without the child's name, that person must have parental permission. For online sites it's covered under the children's internet privacy act. I believe most newspapers follow that policy as well.

[Pooh]

Ouch. Sorry to have asked a dumb question. Guess I should have google it.


The first link goes to a generic Clerk page and the second one is a File Not found.

That's ok, Stella. Not sure why that poster got upset about my posting the link. I wasn't arguing at all about the changing of the judges. I assume Judge Adams will take over once the criminal trial gets underway. But then again, things could change before we get to that.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Baez Objection Motion (2 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf

[happygert]

http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee69/5boxersmom/351a691.jpg



I'm looking at the little fine line circle inside the big white circle...
Is that what you are talking about? Inside the little circle that is outlined in a fine white outline..

yes.......blow that up..

[boo]

Something else I have been thinking about lately is that alleged videotape made by the PI and copied over. I got a new camcorder for Christmas, and I had to laugh at the manuel because it clearly states that should I sell my camcorder, there are specific instructions on how to delete videos that may be stored on the camera itself. I wouldn't be a bit surprised to find out that the FBI has been able to resurrect any taped over portions directly off that camera. That is, if they ever even existed.

[bchand]

Unfortunately it is perfectly legal to take pictures of other peoples kids as long as it is not pornographic or illegally obtained. people can take pictures of your kids all they want and pass them around believe it or not.

Thank you for this info Bratlings. Illegally obtained how?

Photos can be photoshopped very easily and then passed around on porn sites.

I would not hesitate to challenge the legality of someone using my child's photo for any reason without my permission.

[Mimi428]

There are a lot of rotten adults out there. The As for example.

If you aren't a responsible adult with good moral judgement. You can't teach your off spring what you don't do yourself.

Gee, makes me wonder if we should look back a little further & see how the parents of George & Cindy raised them!

Then we can look back & see if we can find out how the parents of George & Cindy's parents raised THEM!

I wonder why Rick & Cindy are so different, seeing as how they had the same parents. Hmmmm

[SavannahStar]

If you aren't a responsible adult with good moral judgement. You can't teach your off spring what you don't do yourself.

This I agree with.

Does that mean you believe 100% that Caylee would have ended up a monster adult?

Someone brought this up the other night again, I don't recall there was too much discussion on it.

And it had been brought up weeks ago also, at that time I remember people being greatly offended.

But it's something to think about. Up to the age of almost three she certainly looked so sweet and happy and like a really, really "nice" child. At what point would she have turned? Or were the pics and videos all just lies, a snapshot of a moment only...maybe she wasn't such a sweet kid? I don't know, what do you guys think, having Casey as a mom and Cindy as a grandmother?

I ask that seriously.

[Neffy]

The only thing we sign, other then the information cards, is an internet policy. Nothing to do with photos taken or used in the newspaper.

Yep that's in the packet I get also. Public school system.

[happygert]

Gert I have to ask you this....do you think pics would have been released that had actual evidence in them? The alleged duct tape and the alleged book? I wonder about that. I think there MAY have been duct tape found (not confirmed yet though) but why would they have allowed a photo of it to be out there? Same with the book. I don't believe that is Caylee's book.

What I have said and keep saying is this photo IMO was overlooked when they were dumping them..plain and simple..

[BANJO GRANNY]

What a crock of bull! The defense can go ahead and do the examination, (NOT AUTOPSY), of the remains, and take their own xrays. Then when they receive the ones the State did they can make their comparisons if that's what their after...this is a no brainer IMO.

I'm beginning to think the delays are related to working out who will pay for the funeral, and who will pay the most for the exclusive. I also wonder if the A's are scared and want something ironed out regarding immunity... thinking that once the funeral and memorial have been held....LE may come a knockin on their front door with arrest warrants.

Wonderful post i agree 100%

:rose:FOR BABY CAYLEE
REST IN PEACE SWEETIE
THERE WILL BE JUSTICE FOR YOU SOON

[Mimi428]

Mental illness is mental illness. It really matters not what caused it but if you know about it and have the opportunity to help that person and/or protect others but do not... Well that is a failure as a parent no matter what age the child is.

Why would he - or anyone - be mentally ill in the FIRST place? Brain function? Parenting?

I think Ted would have suffered from the exact same illness whether he was raised by the parents he had - or in any other environment. Ever read or heard about some of the amazing documentations of how similar identical twins are - even when they have been separated at birth & raised by completely separate sets of parents? Fascinating stuff.

JMO

[SavannahStar]

You are right, for anyone to display a photo of your child in the public domain, with or without the child's name, that person must have parental permission. For online sites it's covered under the children's internet privacy act. I believe most newspapers follow that policy as well.


I knew I wasn't going crazy! All this happened after my son was past that age, but I do remember hearing about all that.

[Mandysmom]

But but but......something popped into my mind. Hasn't it come up recently, for instance in school sports pics, etc., that for the photographer to put the pics in the paper or elsewhere, the parent has to give permission? I just thought of that for some reason.

That makes me wonder about the pics taken of "Caylee sightings" that were all over tv and the internet.

How was permission for those to be distributed given out? I know I would be mad as hades if that were my child.

:angry:

[destiny1]

Does that mean you believe 100% that Caylee would have ended up a monster adult?

Someone brought this up the other night again, I don't recall there was too much discussion on it.

And it had been brought up weeks ago also, at that time I remember people being greatly offended.

But it's something to think about. Up to the age of almost three she certainly looked so sweet and happy and like a really, really "nice" child. At what point would she have turned? Or were the pics and videos all just lies, a snapshot of a moment only...maybe she wasn't such a sweet kid? I don't know, what do you guys think, having Casey as a mom and Cindy as a grandmother?

I ask that seriously.

I wouldn't really know, but I do know that as childrens personalities develop, they become more attuned to emotional issues of the parents and can start either mimmicking the parents state or acting out against it.

What was that remark from cindy about a "neutral place"? I'll try to find it in the links, but I thought that was referring to Caylee.

[bluwaters]

Hello
Just home from work...
So, Baez is objecting to the state's to protect the images of Caylee's remains as a violation of Casey's right to due process?
Wow! I notice that he does not address the possible sale of these images in his motion...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf

Casey Anthony Hearing Set For Thursday (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html)

Judge to address limits on images of Caylee Anthony's remains (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010709,0,7673697.story)

I do have to say, the prosecution could have filed their motion much sooner. There certainly is a lack of cordiality and cooperation between the lawyers in this case. I, of course, blame that on Baez's unprofessional behavior, but that's just me.

Tomorrow should be interesting. I do hope that Strickland will remain the judge in this case.

[SavannahStar]

What I have said and keep saying is this photo IMO was overlooked when they were dumping them..plain and simple..


I missed you saying that, sorry.

I did blow it up, and blow it up, and blow it up, and it didn't look like duct tape to me either.

Well, we will know soon enough about the duct tape anyway.....

[WillowInFlight]

Does that mean you believe 100% that Caylee would have ended up a monster adult?

Someone brought this up the other night again, I don't recall there was too much discussion on it.

And it had been brought up weeks ago also, at that time I remember people being greatly offended.

But it's something to think about. Up to the age of almost three she certainly looked so sweet and happy and like a really, really "nice" child. At what point would she have turned? Or were the pics and videos all just lies, a snapshot of a moment only...maybe she wasn't such a sweet kid? I don't know, what do you guys think, having Casey as a mom and Cindy as a grandmother?

I ask that seriously.

I don't know, Casey made sure no one would ever know what Caylee might have become. I'm sure that there are pictures of Casey when she was a tot that are as cute as a button, at what age do you think she turned?

[kitty1182]

yes.......blow that up..

I didn't blow it up, don't know how, but I did look again, only in the little round white circle...I don't know what I see but it looks like a forehead, 2 eyes and a mouth, yes it does look like it's covered..mo
I went back and looked several more times and I see the same thing...

[CANDYKISSES]

I do not agree that this is a good example. Clearly this man was intelligent beyond the norm, and was also suffering from delusions and serious mental illness. Not to the extent that he was insane but it was known among the family. All of it could have possibly been prevented had someone stepped in as opposed to ignoring the signs. Ironically his own mother & brother did consider themselves partly to blame if I recall correctly for that very reason.

Point well made Bratlings. I have to wonder what Casey's psych exam revealed and if there is something that has been going on for a long period of time myself. Often parents don't want their children labeled and try to write off very disturbing symptoms or perhaps they don't want them medicated after a certain age for one reason or another, usually related to future limitations.

To think George was a cop and Cindy was a nurse and POSSIBLY they made a decision to coddle the behavior and adapt their life to it as opposed to seeking professional advice concerning Casey would be a travesty in and of itself.

IF THAT TURNS OUT TO BE THE CASE, look for Jose to exploit it until the cows come home IMO. He would be remiss if he didn't. AGAIN, Just opining but believing the psych exam will hold some clues on Casey.

JMO. :crying:

[NYGalPal]

I think the point we are supposed to be getting is, "she might as well have," or "she's just as much at fault as Casey is."

:confused:

Wow. Just wow.

Yeah, how dare Cindy cover up for Casey. It is wrong and illegal. Still can't grasp that concept? Of course not. Is that what you teach your kids?

[tybek]

Thank you for this info Bratlings. Illegally obtained how?

Photos can be photoshopped very easily and then passed around on porn sites.

I would not hesitate to challenge the legality of someone using my child's photo for any reason without my permission.

Do any of you remember that guy in seattle who perfected the art of photographing young girls in public settings and keeping the pictures for his own enjoyment and even creating a website for men who wanted to photograph young kids and not be arrested? His site was refered to as a "how to" site for phedophiles.... Here's a link...http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t10550.html

I even saw the guy say in an interview that he wasn't a pedophile because he knew it was illegal and he would therefore not cross that line with a minor, but yes if it weren't illegal then maybe he would.

ETA to add a direct quote from the guy: "I can understand the fear," he added. "I hope that what I'm doing is setting myself up as an example that it is possible to have these attractions and not be out of control."

[Stella Rose]

That's ok, Stella. Not sure why that poster got upset about my posting the link. I wasn't arguing at all about the changing of the judges. I assume Judge Adams will take over once the criminal trial gets underway. But then again, things could change before we get to that.

Thanks Pooh. I checked both of those links you so kindly provided, but still have bupkus. Something wacky going on today - everyone here at work has been pretty frosty too. I'm keeping real quiet so I don't peeve someone else off.

[spiritwolf46]

Gee, makes me wonder if we should look back a little further & see how the parents of George & Cindy raised them!

Then we can look back & see if we can find out how the parents of George & Cindy's parents raised THEM!

I wonder why Rick & Cindy are so different, seeing as how they had the same parents. Hmmmm

I wonder why I was raised my an abusive alcoholic and I rarely drink that much and raised my kids with pleasure, one brother did pot but quit that and never drinks and my sister can drink socially and raised her daughter with pleasure, but two of my brothers could be considered alcoholics and one never see's his daughter. That is just the way it is at times.

OH! And all 5 of us had the same parents! Hmmmmm......

P.S. Before I get monitored, it IS pertinent to this case and what we are talking about!

[Neffy]

Baez Objection Motion (2 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf


They've already released Caylee's remains to the funeral home. They're blaming the state for not allowing her to be buried because they don't have the pictures xray's?

One has nothing to do with the other.

I also didn't realize that because they've gathered a team from all over the us they're going to send these pics all over the us. Surely this opens the door to photo's being leaked.

If this team is to weigh in on a Florida case and be part of the Team, ITA with them coming to Florida to handle it.

My job is also commutable to a point. Sometimes you just have to be there.

What's next testifying by portal? No get in that court room unless there is some kind of disability that prevents you. Then you can be accomadated.

[GumShoeJoe]

So if your 14 yr old was walking in a mall and some stranger took her picture, he owns it right?

Yes, they own it. Copyright and all.

What they can DO with it is an entirely different subject. In many/most situations, one needs a release to be able to use it commericially. Some exceptions for "news" and a few other things.

[SavannahStar]

I wouldn't really know, but I do know that as childrens personalities develop, they become more attuned to emotional issues of the parents and can start either mimmicking the parents state or acting out against it.

What was that remark from cindy about a "neutral place"? I'll try to find it in the links, but I thought that was referring to Caylee.

I thought that was Casey's comment. Where she went after she went to Z's apt. to pick up Caylee, and Caylee wasn't there, nor was Z, nor was she able to reach Z by phone. She said she sat on the steps for a while, then left and went to some stores, parks, then a "neutral place." Something like that.

That's the only time I heard it, I think anyway.

[DeeN]

This is Casey's Cupid.com page.

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024

I found this on http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/ which appears to be a responsible site. It looks authentic to me.

[ishkabibble]

Is that you lenny?

LOL no black hat and cowboy boots here!

[Mimi428]

Sorry to insert myself into this argument out of the blue, but I just wanted to say I think you're BOTH right on different levels. The debate of psychopathy/sociopathy resulting from nature or nurture has been going on for a very very long time, and is contested among professionals and experts all over the world.

I believe that there is a physiological if not genetic component at work, but I also believe with proper (perhaps ideal) parenting & guidance, a child predisposed to antisocial tendencies or an innate lack of empathy can still function as a responsible and non-violent member of society. I believe that people like scott peterson or casey anthony are innately sociopathic, and have ALSO been enabled by their 'my child can do no wrong' parents, to the point that killing to preserve their ideal lifestyle and/or ego seems a reasonable action to them.

According to various sources, approximately 1 in every 4 people can be classified as a sociopath (I'm not sure I buy that myself, but it is repeatedly stated on many psych websites as well as sites like wikipedia, etc). Since we know that there is absolutely no way that 1 in 4 people commit acts as heinous and evil as SP or CA, it is my opinion that their upbringing (eg. lying is wrong, harming another is wrong, you're not the center of the universe, you are responsible for your actions in this world, etc.) is what separates the upstanding innate sociopath from the murdering/evil psychopaths. JMO of course. :biggrin:

Just as there are degrees in severity and/or intensity in every other thing - there are degrees of psychopathy. One person has pale blue eyes, another has deep blue eyes. One person has mild arthritis, the other is crippled by it. One person has slightly elevated blood pressure - the other has dangerously high blood pressure.

One person is annoyed by their spouse or child, does not care for their welfare a bit - so leaves them high & dry, never looks back, just ups & goes. The other person is beyond angry at the damper their spouse or child represents & coldly kills them.

Last I read, the debate was whether or not early intervention was likely to be successful if started after age 3 - vs. age ONE. I don't recall the specific website it was on, so I will qualify that with a JMO since I cannot go look for it right now.

JMO

[Pooh]

Thanks Pooh. I checked both of those links you so kindly provided, but still have bupkus. Something wacky going on today - everyone here at work has been pretty frosty too. I'm keeping real quiet so I don't peeve someone else off.

I think in the clerk's site you have to put the case number in to see the information. I wasn't able to get past it either but I sure trust Cury's links. I guess we'll find out soon who the trial judge will be. Stay safe out there! I'm trying to keep a low profile too. CW has more than warned everyone.

[NYGalPal]

What a crock of bull! The defense can go ahead and do the examination, (NOT AUTOPSY), of the remains, and take their own xrays. Then when they receive the ones the State did they can make their comparisons if that's what their after...this is a no brainer IMO.

I'm beginning to think the delays are related to working out who will pay for the funeral, and who will pay the most for the exclusive. I also wonder if the A's are scared and want something ironed out regarding immunity... thinking that once the funeral and memorial have been held....LE may come a knockin on their front door with arrest warrants.

100% agree. :thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

I don't know, Casey made sure no one would ever know what Caylee might have become. I'm sure that there are pictures of Casey when she was a tot that are as cute as a button, at what age do you think she turned?

Well according to some there never was any "turning", she was born a bad seed.

I guess we are going in circles with this discussion.

[tybek]

I knew I wasn't going crazy! All this happened after my son was past that age, but I do remember hearing about all that.

Uhm, I don't think that is the case...I think it depends on the laws in your state. I clearly remember this guy 45-year-old Jack McClellan with the site "Seattle-Tacoma-Everett Girl Love," being challenged in court because he was posting pictures of girls that he had taken in public places. From the article I linked earlier:

"As disturbing and offensive as we find this, there's no evidence of a crime, or even suspicion of illegal activity," said Rebecca Hover of the Snohomish County Sheriff's Department.

The man who runs it, 45-year-old Jack McClellan, has never been convicted of a sex crime, which means he can attend any family-friendly events where children are present, and take all the pictures he wants for his Web site. He also lives close to a school bus stop.

[MichelleP]

Does that mean you believe 100% that Caylee would have ended up a monster adult?

Someone brought this up the other night again, I don't recall there was too much discussion on it.

And it had been brought up weeks ago also, at that time I remember people being greatly offended.

But it's something to think about. Up to the age of almost three she certainly looked so sweet and happy and like a really, really "nice" child. At what point would she have turned? Or were the pics and videos all just lies, a snapshot of a moment only...maybe she wasn't such a sweet kid? I don't know, what do you guys think, having Casey as a mom and Cindy as a grandmother?

I ask that seriously.

I don't think that is the point. If Caylee wanted to be another Casey that was her right or if she wanted to be Cindy or nothing like the Anthony's that was her right. Her rights were taken away. So I don't know how you can seriously ask that question.

[NikkiG77058]

We just don't know. Why accuse them of something if we don't really have the facts? They may have borrowed money. Relatives may have helped them.


Bolded to be addressed by me: then how can you accuse them of using the money to pay for Casey's defense?

IMO

[spiritwolf46]

This is Casey's Cupid.com page.

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024

I found this on http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/ which appears to be a responsible site. It looks authentic to me.

OMG! LOL! Did you see the big X's on NeJames, Garrison and Lenamon?

[happygert]

Hello
Just home from work...
So, Baez is objecting to the state's to protect the images of Caylee's remains as a violation of Casey's right to due process?
Wow! I notice that he does not address the possible sale of these images in his motion...
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf

Casey Anthony Hearing Set For Thursday (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html)

Judge to address limits on images of Caylee Anthony's remains (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010709,0,7673697.story)

I do have to say, the prosecution could have filed their motion much sooner. There certainly is a lack of cordiality and cooperation between the lawyers in this case. I, of course, blame that on Baez's unprofessional behavior, but that's just me.

Tomorrow should be interesting. I do hope that Strickland will remain the judge in this case.

OMG he's stating the Earnhardt law as not applying in this case.. He also didnt say anything about not copying them...What an attorney.
I posted last night he'd use this as a motion for delaying trial..
He sure got all the out of state people here the morning after Caylee was found. Had no problem getting them here and wasn't worried about the money then..

[destiny1]

I thought that was Casey's comment. Where she went after she went to Z's apt. to pick up Caylee, and Caylee wasn't there, nor was Z, nor was she able to reach Z by phone. She said she sat on the steps for a while, then left and went to some stores, parks, then a "neutral place." Something like that.

That's the only time I heard it, I think anyway.

Ok Thanks. I remembered wrong. The neutral place was probably a hiding place for her body. Sometimes Casey throws a few accurate words into what she has to say.

[WillowInFlight]

Well according to some there never was any "turning", she was born a bad seed.

I guess we are going in circles with this discussion.

I don't believe that, and you are right. At least we can respect each others opinion.

[SavannahStar]

I don't think that is the point. If Caylee wanted to be another Casey that was her right or if she wanted to be Cindy or nothing like the Anthony's that was her right. Her rights were taken away. So I don't know how you can seriously ask that question.


I'm not at all talking about rights. It was a discussion about whether or not "bad" parents could have a "good" child or were "bad" parents destined to raise a "bad" child.

Never mind.

[Pooh]

This is Casey's Cupid.com page.

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024

I found this on http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/ which appears to be a responsible site. It looks authentic to me.

LOL! "I'm a genuine girl" ???? REALLY? roflmao!

[VC2]

The show "Bones" is associated with her and she is the defense's forensic anthropologist who will examine Caylee's bones and attempt to prove she was in those woods for a shorter period of time then the Prosecutor say, imo.

So baez can claim someone other then the OC put Caylee there. imo.

that is unfair imo. She has a world wide reputation, impeccable and i doubt she will be of much help with the defense but if she has info that does so be it. To suggest that she will change her testimony just to help casey is wrong imo. She trains FBI agents, and LE in both NC and Montreal work closely with her as well as other states and countries.
http://www.kathyreichs.com/biography.htm
imo

[destiny1]

Well according to some there never was any "turning", she was born a bad seed.

I guess we are going in circles with this discussion.

She could be a number of things.
evil
turned
faked it all along

[SavannahStar]

I don't believe that, and you are right. At least we can respect each others opinion.

You're absolutely right! :smile:

[Beach~Tenant]

What a great point Breezie!! Why are we appalled that poor Caylee has been left at the funeral home, when the OC had no problem at all stuffing her in a garbage bag and leaving her to rot in the woods for six months. :cuss:

Great point!!! I wish you or someone would call up on the NG show and say that! Would love to see what NG or any of the interviewers react to that! so sad! sorry, just got on and I'm only on the 2nd page :unsure: Just had to comment :)

[tybek]

No it is not. You guys are forgetting this case so fast!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/331773/jack_mcclellan_pedophile_on_the_loose.html?cat=17


I didn't forget it...it was too disturbing! I'm glad someone else remembered, thought I was going crazy :laugh:

[SavannahStar]

that is unfair imo. She has a world wide reputation, impeccable and i doubt she will be of much help with the defense but if she has info that does so be it. To suggest that she will change her testimony just to help casey is wrong imo. She trains FBI agents, and LE in both NC and Montreal work closely with her as well as other states and countries.
http://www.kathyreichs.com/biography.htm
imo


Thanks VC and you are very right about her. Too bad people just bash anyone associated with the defense, just because they're associated with the defense, without looking at facts about the person.

[5boxersmom]

I have a question. If they release the autopsy cd's to Baez does the media get them under the sunshine laws? Or is that go back to the Dale Earnhardt thing and then the State if worried that Baez and Co. would sell them?

If they are released anyway how could Baez sell them? Everyone would already have them.

jmo

[bchand]

Do any of you remember that guy in seattle who perfected the art of photographing young girls in public settings and keeping the pictures for his own enjoyment and even creating a website for men who wanted to photograph young kids and not be arrested? His site was refered to as a "how to" site for phedophiles.... Here's a link...http://www.crimeandjustice.us/forums/lofiversion/index.php?t10550.html

I even saw the guy say in an interview that he wasn't a pedophile because he knew it was illegal and he would therefore not cross that line with a minor, but yes if it weren't illegal then maybe he would.

ETA to add a direct quote from the guy: "I can understand the fear," he added. "I hope that what I'm doing is setting myself up as an example that it is possible to have these attractions and not be out of control."


Shudder - I've never seen that before. Thanks tybek.

I always worry about the social sites that are set up innocently by some parents who don't know how to make the sites private. Anyone can grab those pictures of the kids.

[Neffy]

This is Casey's Cupid.com page.

http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/pdfs/casey_anthony_Cupid.pdf?id_member=2050024

I found this on http://www.cayleemarieanthony.net/ which appears to be a responsible site. It looks authentic to me.

Can you say Johnny Cochran staging!

No way would I ever believe that wasn't.

[I'mRight]

EXCELLENT POINT!!! :thumbsup:

I agree. (Running for cover):tonguewag:

[happygert]

Check out number eight.

Baez is basically comparing bone evidence & entomological evidence to photographs of the examination of the remains.

Baez & Co.

Never a dull moment.

I seen that ..nope never..makes you go hummmmm

[honibugs]

This has probably been asked before, but there are too many pages to go through on this board to retrieve the answer; Does anyone know if the parents of the boy that died and is supposedly Caylee's father have ever expressed any interest in this case!? I am surprised that the media has stayed away from them. This is just too bizarre.

[CANDYKISSES]

That's not a bad idea, Mimi. And I'm not trying to be funny. I, personally, think we can stop at an examination of how Casey's upbringing by G&C has impacted this outcome, but I don't think it's outlandish to look even further back.

What I don't understand, particularly on this board, is why examining family dynamics seems such an outrageous, taboo subject to some. It seems to me that no family, including the A's, would ever want an outcome such as this ... and there are many ingredients that went into creating this outcome. Ingredients that, if we hope to turn the tide as a society, must be examined. Otherwise, what do we learn? How do improve things for the future? How do we make the loss of Caylee have a lasting affect? How do we keep future Caylees safe?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result (paraphrased). If we are too frightened, or it's too politically incorrect to examine the dynamics of families like the Anthonys, then are we admitting that we're okay to just wait for the next Caylee to be murdered, punish her murderer (hopefully), and then wait for the next murder ... and the one after that?

How does that improve things?

Just asking ...

Standing to applaud this Say. :thumbsup: No, we can't expect a different outcome when we continue to do the same thing.

**Also, George claims in his interview that mental illness is on his side of the family and I think what we see in the interaction between Cindy and Casey and their likeness is indicative of something being amiss too. **

[NYGalPal]

Does that mean you believe 100% that Caylee would have ended up a monster adult?

Someone brought this up the other night again, I don't recall there was too much discussion on it.

And it had been brought up weeks ago also, at that time I remember people being greatly offended.

But it's something to think about. Up to the age of almost three she certainly looked so sweet and happy and like a really, really "nice" child. At what point would she have turned? Or were the pics and videos all just lies, a snapshot of a moment only...maybe she wasn't such a sweet kid? I don't know, what do you guys think, having Casey as a mom and Cindy as a grandmother?

I ask that seriously.
You snipped my post so I'll answer your question. You are missing the point and are twisting the conversation. Point it lost on you and I can see why.

[destiny1]

LOL! "I'm a genuine girl" ???? REALLY? roflmao!
I wonder what they will do for her birthday ? A Picses.

Maybe she will be in court that day.

Does cat owning dog owning democrat that seeks a proportional athletic bodybuilder type cound as genuine? :lol:

[spiritwolf46]

I'm not at all talking about rights. It was a discussion about whether or not "bad" parents could have a "good" child or were "bad" parents destined to raise a "bad" child.

Never mind.

I think what most are trying to say is that G & C enabled Casey. They never held her accountable for what she has done. She stole, lied and those are FACTS from what we have read in the doc dumps from many. If that is the case, then she was never taught morals. She was never taught that she has to pay for her own actions. She was never taught the difference between right and wrong. The A's always seemed to have covered for her. THAT is where the bad parenting comes in. THAT is where the enabling comes in. THAT is part of the reason that Casey is the way she is!

In NOT holding her accountable, who is to blame for that? Who is to blame for her continuance in doing what she did to her family and friends. Do you think for one minute she was not in the mindset that SHE would once again get out of something and mommy and daddy would see to it that she did? AND, they sure tried to once again get her out of something by making excuses, lying, spinning as well, didn't they?

WHY are they not responsible for that????

ETA: The chain of dysfunction needs to stop with somebody! Unfortunately, it is too late now.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Casey Anthony Hearing Set For Thursday
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2009/1/7/casey_anthony_hearing_set_for_thursday.html

[norwood]

NEED HELP! OT

Sorry to interupt but I know you guys are great to know how to do things on the net.

I was just informed by my neighbor that a registered sex offendor has moved into our cul de sac and I don't know how to look it up on line to verifythis. Does anyone know how to do this for free?

Thank you
Norwood

[bchand]

That's ok, Stella. Not sure why that poster got upset about my posting the link. I wasn't arguing at all about the changing of the judges. I assume Judge Adams will take over once the criminal trial gets underway. But then again, things could change before we get to that.

Hi Pooh - I'm sorry you thought I was upset at you posting the link. I was not, in no way.

It's well-known that they have rotating judges in the 9th Circuit Court and that Judge Adams is now assigned to it.

I am just of the opinion that I have read that Judge Strickland "may" keep this case, and this case alone.

It doesn't matter one way or the other. I was not mad, just adding that I had read differently and that Jose Baez just filed a motion before Judge "Strickland" yesterday, not Judge Adams.

[Pooh]

I wonder what they will do for her birthday ? A Picses.

Maybe she will be in court that day.

Does cat owning dog owning democrat that seeks a proportional athletic bodybuilder type cound as genuine? :lol:

Casey and "genuine" are strangers. OMG - I read that about being genuine and stopped reading! LOL

[Neffy]

Check out number eight.

Baez is basically comparing bone evidence & entomological evidence to photographs of the examination of the remains.

Baez & Co.

Never a dull moment.

So they've already photocopied the bones and has distributed them out of state already as Casey has signed a release authorizing this?

[tybek]

NEED HELP! OT

Sorry to interupt but I know you guys are great to know how to do things on the net.

I was just informed by my neighbor that a registered sex offendor has moved into our cul de sac and I don't know how to look it up on line to verifythis. Does anyone know how to do this for free?

Thank you
Norwood

Try this site. If he isn't there, then his move is probably too recent and his address hasn't been changed in Texas's online registered sex offender system yet. But if that is the case, I think you should have received something in the mail saying he was a registered sex offender and moving into your neighborhood. I know in Louisiana we do if a sex offender moves in close.

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/SorNew/index.aspx

[bchand]

NEED HELP! OT

Sorry to interupt but I know you guys are great to know how to do things on the net.

I was just informed by my neighbor that a registered sex offendor has moved into our cul de sac and I don't know how to look it up on line to verifythis. Does anyone know how to do this for free?

Thank you
Norwood

OT but try this site norwood - http://www.familywatchdog.us/

[happygert]

I think the point is Cindy & Casey are both accomplished liars.

ITA....very accomplished

[WillowInFlight]

Casey and "genuine" are strangers. OMG - I read that about being genuine and stopped reading! LOL

And she goes on to say "her daughter is the love of her life".

[Motomom]

"There's nothing there. Some dirt on the lense. Seaweed?" "It's a shark I tell ya!"

Seriously, Happy, there is nothing there. If you are trying to say that a dried up shrivelled leave is a piece of duct tape, I think that might be "reaching". There's nothing there. Sorry.

Sorry January but I also see the tape. Not in the top left circle, but the lower one it is there plan as day. It's crumpled a little.. The top circle looks liek a blur of nothing. First time I was ever able to see something right off the bat too. I think because of the foilage , it's hard to focus..

[norwood]

Try this site. If he isn't there, then his move is probably too recent and his address hasn't been changed in Texas's online registered sex offender system yet. But if that is the case, I think you should have received something in the mail saying he was a registered sex offender and moving into your neighborhood. I know in Louisiana we do if a sex offender moves in close.

https://records.txdps.state.tx.us/DPS_WEB/SorNew/index.aspx

Thank you so much! We just found out and we have not gotten anything in the mail even though we are supposed to. There are lots of kids in the neighborhood and we are concerned.
You guys are great!

[Pooh]

Hi Pooh - I'm sorry you thought I was upset at you posting the link. I was not, in no way.

It's well-known that they have rotating judges in the 9th Circuit Court and that Judge Adams is now assigned to it.

I am just of the opinion that I have read that Judge Strickland "may" keep this case, and this case alone.

It doesn't matter one way or the other. I was not mad, just adding that I had read differently and that Jose Baez just filed a motion before Judge "Strickland" yesterday, not Judge Adams.

OH! Ok - thanks. That's the first time I've heard that Strickland may keep the case. That's good to know. I really like him and he's got Baez's number. Do you know if they've set the trial date yet? Last I heard I think it was March but I really have no idea if that's true.

[spiritwolf46]

and yet... she doesn't have a murderer for a daughter. She has a victim. She wasn't involved in the crime/cover up.

BIG difference. HUGE WASTE comparing them.

.......:thumbsup:.....

[GumShoeJoe]

Not true but you can always sue them for profiting from your likeness, which you also own. Do you guys think that all of those pics on TMZ or any other tabloid show or magazine come with signed waivers, and paid royalties? No way.

It is true, lol.

There are exceptions for "public figures" and "news".

[happygert]

Does anyone know if CA or GA sent money for casey's account for Christmas? or when the last time they sent money?

[spiritwolf46]

Yes, as much as her daughter and her family are the most important things in her world. :blink:

She couldn't even tell the truth on there! :blink:

[bchand]

OH! Ok - thanks. That's the first time I've heard that Strickland may keep the case. That's good to know. I really like him and he's got Baez's number. Do you know if they've set the trial date yet? Last I heard I think it was March but I really have no idea if that's true.

Thank you Pooh. March is the current date set, but most fully expect that to change.

[spiritwolf46]

Does anyone know if CA or GA sent money for casey's account for Christmas? or when the last time they sent money?


Not sure, Happy. Does anyone know how to see her commisary account (up to date one that is)? I am interested in seeing that as well.

[boo]

NEED HELP! OT

Sorry to interupt but I know you guys are great to know how to do things on the net.

I was just informed by my neighbor that a registered sex offendor has moved into our cul de sac and I don't know how to look it up on line to verifythis. Does anyone know how to do this for free?

Thank you
Norwood


Family Watchdog. GREAT site.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/

[NYGalPal]

She couldn't even tell the truth on there! :blink:

Does she have the Guns and Rose song on there?

I used to love her, but I had to kill her...

[happygert]

I have a question. If they release the autopsy cd's to Baez does the media get them under the sunshine laws? Or is that go back to the Dale Earnhardt thing and then the State if worried that Baez and Co. would sell them?

If they are released anyway how could Baez sell them? Everyone would already have them.

jmo


Exactly.. They are supposed to be cover under the Dale Earnhardt law.. which Baez is basically protesting.. Yes they are worried about them selling them and the pictures getting out..

[WillowInFlight]

Does she have the Guns and Rose song on there?

I used to love her, but I had to kill her...

OMG I never heard that one.

[Neffy]

Baez Objection Motion (2 page pdf)
http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf

#10 Casey's rights trumps the Dale Ernhardt law?

Yes they would definately be misguided to even suggest that.

Again, They've already gone outside of this law on there own already sending photocopied pics of Caylee's bones out of state.

Is that what I'm reading?

[bchand]

I didn't know that. Someone actually came forward with DNA seeking to know if they were Caylee's natural Father or not? yikes. (I know they've said he's dead & that you say the family submitted the dna)

News to me.

The "rumors" were out there that this poor guy MAY be the father. When the parents were asked about this, they were shocked of course that it would even be a possibility. They doubted it and offered the DNA (which I think was available from the accident?).

Someone else probably knows that part better than I can recall.

[Ladyhawk]

No it is not. You guys are forgetting this case so fast!

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/331773/jack_mcclellan_pedophile_on_the_loose.html?cat=17

Okay, now I'm questioning myownself. I must find a definitive answer. Thanks Brat

[Pooh]

Does she have the Guns and Rose song on there?

I used to love her, but I had to kill her...

OMG - wasn't that the Justin Barber case? It would be chilling if she also had that song on her iPod or ANYWHERE....

[happygert]

OMG!!! I never thought JB was very bright, but I can not believe he was stupid enough to go on record to include in the argument of the ruling to cause "a financial undue burden"! WTH??? To me that says "we have plans for those photos yor Honor we need to keep this money train going."

These people are dispicable.

IMO


Not only that Look out residents of Flordia.. Next will be asking for state to pay her defense..of course this will be after trial starts..not before because they'd probably send them the PD.. so they have to wait unitl tila starts to ask..

[spiritwolf46]

Does she have the Guns and Rose song on there?

I used to love her, but I had to kill her...

Didn't notice it, but would not surprise me one bit if it were there. :sneaky:

[Neffy]

Exactly.. They are supposed to be cover under the Dale Earnhardt law.. which Baez is basically protesting.. Yes they are worried about them selling them and the pictures getting out..


From that motion it seems he's taken it upon himself to exempt himself without filing a motion to allow him to do it with what he had of the bones.

[norwood]

Family Watchdog. GREAT site.
http://www.familywatchdog.us/

I found it, but thanks a bunch. Of all things, one of the kids told us that someone had moved in that was a sex offendor. Now we have the exact house and his name and will be careful to keep the children away.

[NYGalPal]

OMG I never heard that one.

No? That is one of their famous songs. Here are the lyrics. I read them and it fits right into this case. Yikes!

http://www.lyrics007.com/Guns%20N'%20Roses%20Lyrics/Used%20To%20Love%20Her%20Lyrics.html

I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I had to put her
Six feet under
And I can still hear her complain

I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I knew I miss her
So I had to keep her
She's buried right in my back yard


I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I used to love her, but I had to kill her
She bi*** so much
She drove me nuts
And now I'm happier this way


I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I used to love her, but I had to kill her
I had to put her
Six feet under
And I can still hear her complain

[happygert]

The "rumors" were out there that this poor guy MAY be the father. When the parents were asked about this, they were shocked of course that it would even be a possibility. They doubted it and offered the DNA (which I think was available from the accident?).

Someone else probably knows that part better than I can recall.

The A's got dna of a dead guy? did i read this right? are you kiding me?

[5boxersmom]

Exactly.. They are supposed to be cover under the Dale Earnhardt law.. which Baez is basically protesting.. Yes they are worried about them selling them and the pictures getting out..

Ok that is what I thought. So basically since the DE law is a law, Baez is saying Casey's rights are more important. They do want to sell them I bet. Arrrrgh

jmo

[NYGalPal]

OMG - wasn't that the Justin Barber case? It would be chilling if she also had that song on her iPod or ANYWHERE....

Yes and I don't know why I think does too. It just popped into my head without clicking on her site. I must be psychic! j/k

[Neffy]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2009/0107/18429795.pdf

How does #3 even apply? They can't make funeral arrangements because they need to make comparisons? Is the team coming to the funeral home to compare yet they want to send xrays and photos out of state

What am I not understanding here?

[WillowInFlight]

No? That is one of their famous songs. Here are the lyrics. I read them and it fits right into this case. Yikes!



Nope never heard of it, but you're right, I wonder how many times Casey played that?

[GumShoeJoe]

No it is NOT true. This case clearly shows that! Ultimately they were successful in getting a restraining order against him but he could not be prosecuted because he never broke the law. http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,291973,00.html

I really don't know what you are saying is "not true" about what I said. I said the person who takes the picture owns the picure, but what they can do with it is an entirely different matter. That is the basis for the story you cite: what can they do with it? Also as I said, there are exceptions to the release requirement.

But whatever. I know what I am talking about. You can believe it or not.

Have a good one.

[kitty1182]

Ok that is what I thought. So basically since the DE law is a law, Baez is saying Casey's rights are more important. They do want to sell them I bet. Arrrrgh

jmo



He sure is a piece of work..:angry:

[happygert]

From that motion it seems he's taken it upon himself to exempt himself without filing a motion to allow him to do it with what he had of the bones.

Yes.. It seems like to me him nor any of the A's hink they have to follow laws or rules. They act like the rules and laws apply to everyone but them...

[bluwaters]

Thanks VC and you are very right about her. Too bad people just bash anyone associated with the defense, just because they're associated with the defense, without looking at facts about the person.

When all of these motions have been slugged out, I really wonder if the defense will in fact conduct a 2nd examination?
How will it benefit them?
If Reichs finds something incriminating to Casey, will the defense have to disclose it?

I understand that the defense wants to see the ME's work before conducting their own examination.
Surely they do not want to do anything beyond trying to refute some of the ME's findings.
Am I understanding this correctly?

The defense would be foolish to conduct an examination in general.
They only want to target certain of the ME's findings in order to dispute them.
They don't want to go into their own examination blindly.
What if they find something the ME missed and it is detrimental to Casey's defense?
Then what happens?

[Pooh]

He sure is a piece of work..:angry:

Who? Baez? He's a piece of something alright..... :laugh:

[happygert]

Not sure, Happy. Does anyone know how to see her commisary account (up to date one that is)? I am interested in seeing that as well.

I dont know how. spirit. But I'd like to see how many times they have sent her money and if it continues or if it has stopped..

[kitty1182]

Who? Baez? He's a piece of something alright..... :laugh:




(Work was the only word I could use without getting banned)
:tongue:

[WillowInFlight]

I dont know how. spirit. But I'd like to see how many times they have sent her money and if it continues or if it has stopped..

I wonder if George and Cindy or Lee have sent her any.

[Regina.Lampert]

that is unfair imo. She has a world wide reputation, impeccable and i doubt she will be of much help with the defense but if she has info that does so be it. To suggest that she will change her testimony just to help casey is wrong imo. She trains FBI agents, and LE in both NC and Montreal work closely with her as well as other states and countries.
http://www.kathyreichs.com/biography.htm
imo

I don't think I am being unfair VC, that is exactly why they hired her, imo. If I had said Reichs would "lie" that would be unfair, but I do not believe Reichs is going risk her career on casey anthony.

She will however, attempt to prove Caylee was put in those woods recently, imo. Whether the evidence will back her up remains to be seen.

[WillowInFlight]

It wouldn't surprise me if the defense lawyers tried to say the baby was threatening Casey and it was self-defense.

Westerfield who killed Danielle Van Dam tried to pin it on his son. Anybody who will murder a child would do anything.

I think that would be laughed out of court.

[Neffy]

So they've already photocopied the bones and has distributed them out of state already as Casey has signed a release authorizing this?

First to clarify my post that's speculation on my part that this has already been done.

Quoting myself for my ignorance. Casey can't authorize an overide of the Dale Ernhardt law.


:punch:

[tybek]

I really don't know what you are saying is "not true" about what I said. I said the person who takes the picture owns the picure, but what they can do with it is an entirely different matter. That is the basis for the story you cite: what can they do with it? Also as I said, there are exceptions to the release requirement.

But whatever. I know what I am talking about. You can believe it or not.

Have a good one.

The guy in the case Brat linked was posting the pics. he took of little girls on a public website called "Seattle-Tacoma-Everett Girl Love," and it was a site for pedophiles who wanted to enjoy viewing pics of and being around young girls and enjoy consentual non-sexual touch like "hugging" with young girls. Basically he was advocating how to be a pedophile and stay on "this side of the law". He site was shut down but he fought it legally and won because he had broken no laws in posting the pictures he took.

[*MoonRider*]

In case anyone new here is wondering why Cindy & George might be seeking full immunity...

During George's July 24th law enforcement interview... George relating a conversation he & Cindy had:

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we're withholding information.

George then recalls that Cindy said George I'm gonna do my own investigation.

George then tells Cindy we're gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep screwing things... You got to back up.

Taped Transcript Of George Anthony Interview ~ July 24th ~ Pages 63 & 64 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf)

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.

Anthonys: "We Pray These Remains Are Not Caylee" (http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html)

Thank you for that. Some posters might need a reminder.

[happygert]

When all of these motions have been slugged out, I really wonder if the defense will in fact conduct a 2nd examination?
How will it benefit them?
If Reichs finds something incriminating to Casey, will the defense have to disclose it?

I understand that the defense wants to see the ME's work before conducting their own examination.
Surely they do not want to do anything beyond trying to refute some of the ME's findings.
Am I understanding this correctly?

The defense would be foolish to conduct an examination in general.
They only want to target certain of the ME's findings in order to dispute them.
They don't want to go into their own examination blindly.
What if they find something the ME missed and it is detrimental to Casey's defense?
Then what happens?


IMO they should go in there blind.. and do it.. then compare later.jmo get this done so little Caylee can be put to rest instead of laying in a cardboard box..

[CANDYKISSES]

In case anyone new here is wondering why Cindy & George might be seeking full immunity...

During George's July 24th law enforcement interview... George relating a conversation he & Cindy had:

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we're withholding information.

George then recalls that Cindy said George I'm gonna do my own investigation.

George then tells Cindy we're gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep screwing things... You got to back up.

Taped Transcript Of George Anthony Interview ~ July 24th ~ Pages 63 & 64 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf)

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.

Anthonys: "We Pray These Remains Are Not Caylee" (http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html)

Sharkie, you're on top of your game today! Thanks, I think I might have to keep that one VERY HANDY. JMO.:thumbup:

[Stella Rose]

Can you give me the link or the # of the post the link was in. 24 pages and I don't have time to look thru all of them. help. thanks. lol

found it for you (hope I get this right.) http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee69/5boxersmom/351a691.jpg

[bchand]

The A's got dna of a dead guy? did i read this right? are you kiding me?

lol I need to stick here instead of doing my chores.

No happygert - the "family" of the deceased had his dna.

[SavannahStar]

When all of these motions have been slugged out, I really wonder if the defense will in fact conduct a 2nd examination?
How will it benefit them?
If Reichs finds something incriminating to Casey, will the defense have to disclose it?

I understand that the defense wants to see the ME's work before conducting their own examination.
Surely they do not want to do anything beyond trying to refute some of the ME's findings.
Am I understanding this correctly?

The defense would be foolish to conduct an examination in general.
They only want to target certain of the ME's findings in order to dispute them.
They don't want to go into their own examination blindly.
What if they find something the ME missed and it is detrimental to Casey's defense?
Then what happens?

Well blu, all I was doing was agreeing with VC about the unfairness of bashing Dr. Reichs, she's renowned, well respected in her field.

I don't know the answer to all your questions. I do recall that impartial (an attorney) stated it would be remiss (actually she used the word malpractice) for the defense not to conduct their own examination. This is part of their job. I believe her.

[Pooh]

I don't think I am being unfair VC, that is exactly why they hired her, imo. If I had said Reichs would "lie" that would be unfair, but I do not believe Reichs is going risk her career on casey anthony.

She will however, attempt to prove Caylee was put in those woods recently, imo. Whether the evidence will back her up remains to be seen.

ITA Regina. Just like Feldman tried to produce "evidence" that Danielle VanDam was placed along the roadside well after she was due to bug evidence. It's all in the battle of the experts and what/who the jury will believe. Whatever Reich says on the stand will not help detract from the evidence that was found in her car though. The car will be the part the defense won't be able to overcome imo.

[happygert]

I wonder if George and Cindy or Lee have sent her any.

so do i .. one list have who had sent money IIRC think ga may have put money in there 2 or 3 times... thinking more along the lines as 2..

[spiritwolf46]

First to clarify my post that's speculation on my part that this has already been done.

Quoting myself for my ignorance. Casey can't authorize an overide of the Dale Ernhardt law.


:punch:


Don't bop yourself too hard. It isn't like Casey doesn't THINK that she could authorize an overide of that law. She is entitled, remember?

[Mimi428]

That's not a bad idea, Mimi. And I'm not trying to be funny. I, personally, think we can stop at an examination of how Casey's upbringing by G&C has impacted this outcome, but I don't think it's outlandish to look even further back.

What I don't understand, particularly on this board, is why examining family dynamics seems such an outrageous, taboo subject to some. It seems to me that no family, including the A's, would ever want an outcome such as this ... and there are many ingredients that went into creating this outcome. Ingredients that, if we hope to turn the tide as a society, must be examined. Otherwise, what do we learn? How do improve things for the future? How do we make the loss of Caylee have a lasting affect? How do we keep future Caylees safe?

The definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over, yet expecting a different result (paraphrased). If we are too frightened, or it's too politically incorrect to examine the dynamics of families like the Anthonys, then are we admitting that we're okay to just wait for the next Caylee to be murdered, punish her murderer (hopefully), and then wait for the next murder ... and the one after that?

How does that improve things?

Just asking ...

We are on the same page. If we, as a society, do not seek to study, examine, learn - we fail all of our fellow human beings. As far as I am concerned, labeling this unbelievably heinous crime as being caused primarily by the bad parenting of the senior Anthonys is way too simplistic. It works on some level to assauge our fears, to console us into thinking that the only reason the Anthonys have a murdering adult child in jail - & WE don't have one - is due to parenting. It helps us believe that there is a just world out there, that what happens can be explained by cause & effect (bad parents = bad children - or murderous adults come from bad parents).

The senior Anthonys have said & done some jaw-dropping things. But there is no way I will ever believe that the reason THEY have a kid in jail for murder & I DO NOT have one can all be explained by 'good' parenting vs. 'bad' parenting. It is so much more complicated than that.

Bad parenting does not explain why, when you or I see words like 'rape' or 'murder' flashed across the screen, certain areas of our brain react in one way - while the brains of psychopaths do not.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I know but I guess sometimes the defense has nothing else but to stoop to these new lows. All they have to do is put doubt in the mind of one juror. What I'm saying is nothing would surprise me. Maybe they'll say Caylee was a gang member menacing the family that Casey had to protect them from. Absurd as that is I've heard equal absurdity from defense lawyers.

You may be on to something, in fact I bet they will say it was Caylee that was doing the searches on neck breaking.:tonguewag:

[Neffy]

The Dale Ernhardt law was meant to protect those who want that protection. She does not have to seek that protection if she doesn't want it, maybe you are misunderstanding this law because it is not an automatic protection for everyone IMO. It is odd that the state is trying to use a law intended to protect the family against the family actually.

:confused:

Its only on the books if you want to use it?

I don't know why would they enter it into their motion. Sounds like their asking to be exempt from it or saying in their case it doesn't apply so they just didn't apply it.

[happygert]

ITA Regina. Just like Feldman tried to produce "evidence" that Danielle VanDam was placed along the roadside well after she was due to bug evidence. It's all in the battle of the experts and what/who the jury will believe. Whatever Reich says on the stand will not help detract from the evidence that was found in her car though. The car will be the part the defense won't be able to overcome imo.

Just like the bed was in Danielle case.. the car and everything casey threw in that bag will send it over her over the egde..

[dgfred]

But but but......something popped into my mind. Hasn't it come up recently, for instance in school sports pics, etc., that for the photographer to put the pics in the paper or elsewhere, the parent has to give permission? I just thought of that for some reason.

Not around here, my daughter has been in the sport's pages many times
these past few years... probably public news/pics are allowed without permission.

[dixielover]

I don't think I am being unfair VC, that is exactly why they hired her, imo. If I had said Reichs would "lie" that would be unfair, but I do not believe Reichs is going risk her career on casey anthony.

She will however, attempt to prove Caylee was put in those woods recently, imo. Whether the evidence will back her up remains to be seen.

I wonder how they are going to prove it being moved recently, when the little tiny bones were spread over an acre, I am sure some of them were probably even carried underground by little animals. This will be very interesting. imo

[Pooh]

Just like the bed was in Danielle case.. the car and everything casey threw in that bag will send it over her over the egde..

I agree. That bed evidence was just heartbreaking to listen to during the trial. I would bet the testimony in Caylee's case will be just as horrifying and heartbreaking.

[happygert]

Baez is saying the prosecution has already sent evidence out of state. Not photographic evidence though.

Baez is basically comparing bone evidence sent to the F.B.I. lab & entomological samples sent out of state to photographs of the remains.

It is a silly argument that has nothing to do with the prosecution's motion.


Seems like a lot of baez's motions are silly...can u pm me please.

[Neffy]

Baez is saying the prosecution has already sent evidence out of state. Not photographic evidence though.

Baez is basically comparing bone evidence sent to the F.B.I. lab & entomological samples sent out of state to photographs of the remains.

It is a silly argument that has nothing to do with the prosecution's motion.

It is a silly argument and no ones fault that the FBI lab happens to be in Quantico. The state didn't go looking for a lab out of state to send it to.

However Henry Lee and whomever else has offered there services apparently with the stipulation he can work from home and Baez said ok will send it on off to ya! What the heck !

[happy2bme]

I wonder if George and Cindy or Lee have sent her any.


Wasn't GA the first one to give her money?

[GumShoeJoe]

We agree on who takes the picture owns it. You are saying if it is someone else's child you have limited ability to use it. That is not true. I have provided endless proof of that. The children's internet protection laws were created in 2000 and although it sounds like it protects kids likeness and everything else in every way in regard to children it really has nothing to do with anything other than collecting personal information about them and a picture taken in public is not considered personal. This case has been ongoing for years to the present with no way to stop him yet. I am done though. Obviously you did not read the links or you wouldnt be arguing with me. So naively believe what you want.


You do have limited ability as to how you can use a photo you take of someone else. That is what is true. You and I may not agree with some of the things allowed, but not everything/anything is allowed.

You cannot, for example, sell a photo of an annonymous child you took in a mall to a magazine to use on its cover, without a release.

I am not trouble on these boards, haven't been here very long, never looked for or even got into a fight, so I don't get your foot stomping and insults. Just trying to contribute my knowledge and education.

[WillowInFlight]

Wasn't GA the first one to give her money?

I believe so, along with a woman from California.

[ishkabibble]

ITA....very accomplished

i don't know how accomplished they are at it, cause most of their lies have been seen thru by now, but they certainly are liars.

[bluwaters]

Ok that is what I thought. So basically since the DE law is a law, Baez is saying Casey's rights are more important. They do want to sell them I bet. Arrrrgh

jmo
Why can't Baez agree to uphold the DE law?
It makes me furious.
Baez is the one who should have filed the motion to protect Caylee's death scene and remains photos.
What an idiot to claim exemption from the DE law as it harms his client!
His client should be screaming for the protection of the DE law!
It was created to protect grieving families from a gross violation of privacy.
Casey just isn't grieving, I suppose.

[bchand]

<<snipped>>

This case has been ongoing for years to the present with no way to stop him yet. I am done though. <<snipped>>


I appreciate your knowledge of this subject Bratlings. From your original link, it does appear there CAN be a way to stop him. I wonder if anything has been done in the 18 months since?

Jack McClellan's freedom to do what he is doing brings up new questions about the type of legislation that governs most cities and states. In order to stop him and people like him, a new bill needs to be introduced to make this type of behavior illegal. You can do so by writing your local officials. In the meanwhile, be wary of strange men holding cameras at local events. They may be after more than just a photo-op from your child.

http://www.associatedcontent.com/article/331773/jack_mcclellan_pedophile_on_the_loose.html?cat=17

It sure does take vigilance to make changes.

[WillowInFlight]

i don't know how accomplished they are at it, cause most of their lies have been seen thru by now, but they certainly are liars.

Yep and I don't buy for a second that they are not visiting Casey because their visits are recorded. They could have gone to see her Christmas and never said a word about the case.

[Loves2Read]

I think what most are trying to say is that G & C enabled Casey. They never held her accountable for what she has done. She stole, lied and those are FACTS from what we have read in the doc dumps from many. If that is the case, then she was never taught morals. She was never taught that she has to pay for her own actions. She was never taught the difference between right and wrong. The A's always seemed to have covered for her. THAT is where the bad parenting comes in. THAT is where the enabling comes in. THAT is part of the reason that Casey is the way she is!

In NOT holding her accountable, who is to blame for that? Who is to blame for her continuance in doing what she did to her family and friends. Do you think for one minute she was not in the mindset that SHE would once again get out of something and mommy and daddy would see to it that she did? AND, they sure tried to once again get her out of something by making excuses, lying, spinning as well, didn't they?

WHY are they not responsible for that????

ETA: The chain of dysfunction needs to stop with somebody! Unfortunately, it is too late now.

Wow.... What a well written post. I think you really made your point with this. And ITA

[happygert]

lol I need to stick here instead of doing my chores.

No happygert - the "family" of the deceased had his dna.

Umm ok why would they need it ? They have would have same dna he did in a sense,..you get half from mom and half from dad so why would they keep is dna...is this something once again from CA? If I believe they had dna why didnt Casey get it so she could get ss from his benefits for Caylee... Have I totaly lost it here..:shrug:

[NYGalPal]

In case anyone new here is wondering why Cindy & George might be seeking full immunity...

During George's July 24th law enforcement interview... George relating a conversation he & Cindy had:

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we're withholding information.

George then recalls that Cindy said George I'm gonna do my own investigation.

George then tells Cindy we're gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep screwing things... You got to back up.

Taped Transcript Of George Anthony Interview ~ July 24th ~ Pages 63 & 64 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf)

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.

Anthonys: "We Pray These Remains Are Not Caylee" (http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html)

Appreciate you posting this. :thumbup:

[martha]

HI everyone, hope you or all having a good day. do we have any news on this case today? o/t I got a mint.pom. for christmas and she has been sick and i have been taking care of her she weighs 9oz solid white the cutes little thing i have ever seen and has stolen our hearts.sorry but she has taken most of my time and I was just wanting to know if we have any news on this case today.tia love ya all

[destiny1]

In case anyone new here is wondering why Cindy & George might be seeking full immunity...

During George's July 24th law enforcement interview... George relating a conversation he & Cindy had:

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we're withholding information.

George then recalls that Cindy said George I'm gonna do my own investigation.

George then tells Cindy we're gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep screwing things... You got to back up.

Taped Transcript Of George Anthony Interview ~ July 24th ~ Pages 63 & 64 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf)

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.

Anthonys: "We Pray These Remains Are Not Caylee" (http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html)

I wonder exactly what Cindy did. george with his LE experience knew she did something wrong. Looks like he knew early on that they needed to lawyer up. If I were in his position and knowing cindy, I think I would have lawyered up before she called 911 that day. I also believe that although George has been less than honest, cindy brought the whole family down.

[5boxersmom]

Why can't Baez agree to uphold the DE law?
It makes me furious.
Baez is the one who should have filed the motion to protect Caylee's death scene and remains photos.
What an idiot to claim exemption from the DE law as it harms his client!
His client should be screaming for the protection of the DE law!
It was created to protect grieving families from a gross violation of privacy.
Casey just isn't grieving, I suppose.

ITA and if you notice it is the State's fault that Caylee has not been buried yet. :rolleyes: Always someone else's fault.

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Yep and I don't buy for a second that they are not visiting Casey because their visits are recorded. They could have gone to see her Christmas and never said a word about the case.


Why do you think they are not visiting her, Willow? I do think that is part of it, not all of it.

[bchand]

Umm ok why would they need it ? They have would have same dna he did in a sense,..you get half from mom and half from dad so why would they keep is dna...is this something once again from CA? If I believe they had dna why didnt Casey get it so she could get ss from his benefits for Caylee... Have I totaly lost it here..:shrug:

The only way I can explain it is -

The Anthony family nor Casey had any interest in finding out who the father is.

HIS family, when told about the rumors that he may be the father, DID have an interest in finding out.
(Although they really doubted it.)

[sammielizabe]

He will drag this out as long as possible. He had the chance to help end this whole thing, when KC was being hauled off. Obviously he knows what happened and he knew that Caylee was gone, because KC consulted with him via phone, when LE said we can either go to jail or you can show is where she is, he advised her not to comply. He is as sick as the rest of them. Anyway I am getting off of what I wanted to say... I believe that they are stalling on the autopsy and funeral because they all know once that is done, They are ALL DONE! This family makes me sick, they helped create this monster. Caylee has only been only a tool to be used in Cindy and KC's war against each other, I think Cindy has such extreme guilt that she has to go along with this whole circus, or be exposed to the world of what kind of person, mother she really was (is) Poor Caylee, I hope she haunts them all, forever. They are just evil people, I don't buy the grieving grandparents bit, for one second. Everything they do is for their own gain, even Cindy, not allowing KC to give Caylee up for adoption. I'm rambling but this family should be a whole case study in psychology. I'm just mortified.....

[bluwaters]

Well blu, all I was doing was agreeing with VC about the unfairness of bashing Dr. Reichs, she's renowned, well respected in her field.

I don't know the answer to all your questions. I do recall that impartial (an attorney) stated it would be remiss (actually she used the word malpractice) for the defense not to conduct their own examination. This is part of their job. I believe her.
Thanks for your answer SS.
I agree with impartial too.
As much as I hate this burial being delayed, I do think that the state is playing games with Baez.
Baez sure doesn't rise to the occasion in a dignified manner, IMO.
What would really be horrible is a future exhumation of Caylee's remains because one party or the other did not get all of the info that they needed when they did their examination.
So, I think it is prudent to let the legal wheels turn, albeit slowly, and get it right on examining Caylee's remains.
Once she is put to rest, she needs to remain there.
jmho

[dgfred]

Yep that's in the packet I get also. Public school system.


What state are you in? We don't have any of that stuff here. Of course my daughter is 18 so I might not remember all :unsure: .

[WillowInFlight]

Why do you think they are not visiting her, Willow? I do think that is part of it, not all of it.

I think Baez has something to do with it, but then again maybe Casey can't face her parents.

[bluwaters]

The Dale Ernhardt law was meant to protect those who want that protection. She does not have to seek that protection if she doesn't want it, maybe you are misunderstanding this law because it is not an automatic protection for everyone IMO. It is odd that the state is trying to use a law intended to protect the family, against the family actually.
What I find odd is that the family isn't screaming for the protection of the DE law. It is not against the interests of the family and it certainly is in the best interests of Caylee.

[NikkiG77058]

It wouldn't surprise me if the defense lawyers tried to say the baby was threatening Casey and it was self-defense.

Westerfield who killed Danielle Van Dam tried to pin it on his son. Anybody who will murder a child would do anything.

That would mean Casey would have to ADMIT killing her baby - IMO, she is cruel enough to take the truth to her coffin.

[Regina.Lampert]

Well blu, all I was doing was agreeing with VC about the unfairness of bashing Dr. Reichs, she's renowned, well respected in her field.

I don't know the answer to all your questions. I do recall that impartial (an attorney) stated it would be remiss (actually she used the word malpractice) for the defense not to conduct their own examination. This is part of their job. I believe her.

Reichs was not being bashed.

[happygert]

The only way I can explain it is -

The Anthony family nor Casey had any interest in finding out who the father is.

HIS family, when told about the rumors that he may be the father, DID have an interest in finding out.
(Although they really doubted it.)

Ok thanks thought for sure I was losing it......lol...

[SavannahStar]

Thanks for your answer SS.
I agree with impartial too.
As much as I hate this burial being delayed, I do think that the state is playing games with Baez.
Baez sure doesn't rise to the occasion in a dignified manner, IMO.
What would really be horrible is a future exhumation of Caylee's remains because one party or the other did not get all of the info that they needed when they did their examination.
So, I think it is prudent to let the legal wheels turn, albeit slowly, and get it right on examining Caylee's remains.
Once she is put to rest, she needs to remain there.
jmho


Yes!!!!!!!!

And no one wants this to come up as an appelate issue.

We're on the same page here.

[bchand]

Ok thanks thought for sure I was losing it......lol...

lol no it's not you happy, it's me today.

[WillowInFlight]

Baez & Co. are a never ending source of embarrassing moments.

PM has been sent.

Yep and I said this yesterday and I'll say it again, it scares me to death that Baez is going to screw up this case and Casey gets a new trial when this is all said and done.

[ishkabibble]

Yep and I don't buy for a second that they are not visiting Casey because their visits are recorded. They could have gone to see her Christmas and never said a word about the case.

they don't go to visit because they don't want to see her. Now that the remains have been found, reality has sunk in. I do believe they will attend her trial and in any public forum (TV, press conferences etc) they will go with the defense line of Zanny did it or whatever the defense is. I do think if called to testify George will tell the truth, Cindy will prevaricate and deflect the questions as much as she can but her voice on tape will counter any courtroom attempt to obfuscate the truth. If there is justice for Caylee, Casey will go to prison and George and Cindy will go on with the rest of what is left of their lives. I doubt there will be many trips to visit Casey in the BIG HOUSE.

[bchand]

That would mean Casey would have to ADMIT killing her baby - IMO, she is cruel enough to take the truth to her coffin.

That's true NikkiG and with the info coming from her defense attorneys in the civil case (it wasn't THAT Zenaida who kidnapped her, it was another Zenaida), seems like they are sticking with that story.

[AnnInOhio]

If so then they are in deep doo... What do you think their reasoning for cleaning the car was if they were sooooo worried where Caylee was?
It seems the cover-up started pretty early then.

There was something George said in one of his interviews that made me think he knew in his heart as former LE that it was wrong to drive that car home from the impound lot. He had no doubt what the smell in the car was; he admitted he'd smelled it before and knew it wasn't an oder you forget. I think he knew he should have called 911 right then from the impound lot. He should have realized there would be no stopping Cindy from attempting to clean not only the smell itself, but the implications of that smell, out of that car and their lives.

[happygert]

What I find odd is that the family isn't screaming for the protection of the DE law. It is not against the interests of the family and it certainly is in the best interests of Caylee.

Exactly! When nephew was killed in Fl they got an autopsy report and that was it they didnt want the photo's anyway.. they wanted to remember him as he was.. not as what injuries and what he looked like at that time..
Why is it so important to baez and company not want to the same for Caylee. They should be the ones trying to protect that image.

[sammielizabe]

casey allegedly said or implied on her MySpace that Jesus Ortiz was the baby daddy, and had an internet article about his death on her site. Remember she told Cindy the baby daddy died in a car accident, and supposedly showed her the obit, per Cindy's statement to the media (in the beginning).

Apparently media, or somebody, contacted the Ortiz family and asked if their (now deceased) son was Caylee's daddy. The family stated they were unaware of this, and didn't believe their son would have kept it from them if he had fathered a child. It was stated/speculated his DNA might still be available since he died in an auto accident and blood tests etc were done at the hospital.

The last I read his family hired an attorney.

It is my understanding this is the article (with a pic of Jesus) casey had on her MySpace:

http://www.mydeathspace.com/article/2008/02/12/Jesus_Ortiz_(21)_died_from_injuries_sustained_in_a n_automobile_accident

ETA: Rick also mentioned this name...maybe it's what Cindy told him.

Not for a second, it's too convenient. Someone doesn't want the father of this baby to be known. So a death...perfect way to shut everyone up and get some attention. Poor KC left as a single mother because the daddy died, yeah right! Besides the lie she told that he died on the way to Caylee's BDAY party. He died in May, her BDAY is in August. Just more BS.

[CANDYKISSES]

I totally agree with you, I do not claim the Anthony's as parents are the cause but they certainly have some responsibility in Casey. It is too simplistic to blame it all on just her upbringing and I never meant to imply that was the sole deciding factor.

I don't think anyone here posting has ever indicated that the untimely death of Caylee Marie Anthony rested on poor parenting by George and Cindy. I HAVE NEVER SEEN THAT POSTED HERE MYSELF....:thumbdown:

That said, it is NOT A FACT either that Casey is a psychopath or a sociopath given nobody here is a professional who has examined her.

We all have theories about her personality traits as well as her mental health, but there are conflicting pieces all over the place IMO.

I personally believe something bad was on the horizon and everyone in the family probably knew it, but they chose to adapt to Casey's wants and needs vs getting help IMO. That was easier than putting it on the table for therapy. :sad:

[marshmallow]

Not around here, my daughter has been in the sport's pages many times
these past few years... probably public news/pics are allowed without permission.


I think it depends on the area/school district. I had to sign a release at the parent's meetings before each season started. After Sectionals one year, when my son was interviewed and a photo was taken, I also signed a release and before he went to States there was a release included in our parent's packets.

[bchand]

Yep and I said this yesterday and I'll say it again, it scares me to death that Baez is going to screw up this case and Casey gets a new trial when this is all said and done.

Well I take consolation in the fact that she'll STILL be in jail waiting for the new trial, where she'll be convicted.

[dgfred]

There was something George said in one of his interviews that made me think he knew in his heart as former LE that it was wrong to drive that car home from the impound lot. He had no doubt what the smell in the car was; he admitted he'd smelled it before and knew it wasn't an oder you forget. I think he knew he should have called 911 right then from the impound lot. He should have realized there would be no stopping Cindy from attempting to clean not only the smell itself, but the implications of that smell, out of that car and their lives.

I agree Ann. And with the shovel deal... did anyone believe for one second that Casey was going to dig up stuff in the yard??? Her even borrowing a shovel is a strange/big thing to me.

[bluwaters]

Umm ok why would they need it ? They have would have same dna he did in a sense,..you get half from mom and half from dad so why would they keep is dna...is this something once again from CA? If I believe they had dna why didnt Casey get it so she could get ss from his benefits for Caylee... Have I totaly lost it here..:shrug:

IIRC, it is the Highway Patrol that has the DNA of the deceased young man. Apparently they keep DNA samples when an accident results in a fatality. I believe the FBI said that they might request Jesus Ortiz's DNA sample to see if he could be Caylee's father.
Wow, this goes a long ways back to the beginning of this case.
My memory could be faulty. If I can find the link, I will let you know.

[WillowInFlight]

Well I take consolation in the fact that she'll STILL be in jail waiting for the new trial, where she'll be convicted.

True, true. I can't wait for it to sink in that she is there for life.:sneaky:

[CANDYKISSES]

Yep.

Why would Casey be digging up bamboo roots after Caylee was 'kidnapped?'

Of course, the same can be said for everything Casey did after Caylee was 'kidnapped.'

Maybe it was in her script. :sneaky:

[spiritwolf46]

Wow.... What a well written post. I think you really made your point with this. And ITA

Awwwww! Thank you SO much, loves2read. I appreciate that!