Tuesday Jan 6th. - Part 1

[n/t]

Good Morning all,

I wonder what's in store for us today. It seems that everyday we discover something new and bizarre about this case.

I've never seen anything like it.

[MissouriGMom]

Good Morning all,

I wonder what's in store for us today. It seems that everyday we discover something new and bizarre about this case.

I've never seen anything like it.

Morning n/t,

I missed most of yesterday. The only new thing I heard was that Casey could watch the memorial if it's on TV. Anything else?

[SandyO]

I am wondering if the two PIs held their predicted news conference yesterday. I never heard anything. I get the feeling we are putting too much importance on those two.

[AJandTam]

Good Morning All.

No idea what is going on right now. Other things separated me from the boards. Anything special going on. Any new tidbits?? TIA.

[n/t]

There's the video/no video debate. Does the video exist or not? If it does, why did they tape where Caylee's remains were found (or surrounding area). DC says it was because of Kio's statement that's where teenagers hung out. I say BS. They were tipped off, imo.

[n/t]

Leonard Padilla confuses the heck out of me. It's hard enough to believe anything he says but then when he says something...it doesn't make any sense.

WTH is he talking about? He says he saw the video after the remains were found but then says he talked to Hoover when he first bailed Casey out and Hoover told him about the video?

Can anyone make any sense out of what he's saying? :cursing:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[AJandTam]

There's the video/no video debate. Does the video exist or not? If it does, why did they tape where Caylee's remains were found (or surrounding area). DC says it was because of Kio's statement that's where teenagers hung out. I say BS. They were tipped off, imo.

Morning n/t, If DC says it was because of Kio's statements, then does that not confirm that the video DOES exist. Or is my thinking off this morning??

[AJandTam]

Leonard Padilla confuses the heck out of me. It's hard enough to believe anything he says but then when he says something...it doesn't make any sense.

WTH is he talking about? He says he saw the video after the remains were found but then says he talked to Hoover when he first bailed Casey out and Hoover told him about the video?

Can anyone make any sense out of what he's saying? :cursing:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

If LP knew. Seems like he would have told the LE/FBI and they could have went and found Caylee or else he could have done it himself. Either way, we know he was actively trying to find Caylee, so it doesn't make sense that he knew where she was for a month or any length of time and yet the MR is the one who discovered the body??? I think he must be full of BS. JMO.

[SandyO]

Morning n/t, If DC says it was because of Kio's statements, then does that not confirm that the video DOES exist. Or is my thinking off this morning??

I wouldn't doubt that one or both PIs took their video cameras and scanned around in the nearby area, and in other places as well. They have to do SOMETHING to justify their hourly fees, but I don't believe they knew anything at all about Caylee's remains being nearby.

[ellegna]

Casey Anthony's attorney unveils new tip line (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-b3report06_109jan06,0,6373302.story)

[n/t]

Morning n/t, If DC says it was because of Kio's statements, then does that not confirm that the video DOES exist. Or is my thinking off this morning??

It does but apparently Hoover taped over it. :glare:

[SandyO]

Casey Anthony's attorney unveils new tip line (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-b3report06_109jan06,0,6373302.story)

Mornin', Ellegna. I suppose they will pull some kooks out of the woods with this, but probably not many photos or videos. I'll bet a good many folks are going to have a lot of fun with this, too!

[AJandTam]

I wouldn't doubt that one or both PIs took their video cameras and scanned around in the nearby area, and in other places as well. They have to do SOMETHING to justify their hourly fees, but I don't believe they knew anything at all about Caylee's remains being nearby.

I don't know, and it does complicate things beings they work for the defense. It seems they are admitting they were out there, and I can't think of a good reason to take video of that particular area for absolutely no reason at all. They could have justified many area's but that particular one seems suspicious to me. It's hard to us to comprehend that anyone a PI working for the defense or otherwise, would leave little Caylee out there knowing she was just a little baby girl. That would be so cruel. I don't know if morally or ethically, we can come to terms w/that if true.

I am just so disgusted w/the world in general. Seems nothing is honorable and right anymore. So I guess this wouldn't surprise me much either. Sick and sad as it is.

[n/t]

I wouldn't doubt that one or both PIs took their video cameras and scanned around in the nearby area, and in other places as well. They have to do SOMETHING to justify their hourly fees, but I don't believe they knew anything at all about Caylee's remains being nearby.

I thought they were looking for a live Caylee. Why would they be filming a wooded area, if this video really did exist?

[AJandTam]

It does but apparently Hoover taped over it. :glare:

Really, did he now? I suppose that's his story and he's sticking to it..

[n/t]

SAPRAICONE: Right, but I wouldn`t imagine them videoing it in the first place. There`s no real reason for them to do a video. These are two clowns, basically. I mean, to call them private investigators is ridiculous.


:laugh:

[GrannyB]

I don't know, and it does complicate things beings they work for the defense. It seems they are admitting they were out there, and I can't think of a good reason to take video of that particular area for absolutely no reason at all. They could have justified many area's but that particular one seems suspicious to me. It's hard to us to comprehend that anyone a PI working for the defense or otherwise, would leave little Caylee out there knowing she was just a little baby girl. That would be so cruel. I don't know if morally or ethically, we can come to terms w/that if true.

I am just so disgusted w/the world in general. Seems nothing is honorable and right anymore. So I guess this wouldn't surprise me much either. Sick and sad as it is.

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.

[AJandTam]

I thought they were looking for a live Caylee. Why would they be filming a wooded area, if this video really did exist?

I must be a bit slow. How do you tape over something that doesn't exist in the first place?

[GrannyB]

I must be a bit slow. How do you tape over something that doesn't exist in the first place?

That one is simple. Just be connected to the Anthony's and weird stuff happens.

[SavannahStar]

SAPRAICONE: Right, but I wouldn`t imagine them videoing it in the first place. There`s no real reason for them to do a video. These are two clowns, basically. I mean, to call them private investigators is ridiculous.


:laugh:


Who is that guy? Sapraicone?

[SandyO]

I thought they were looking for a live Caylee. Why would they be filming a wooded area, if this video really did exist?

Well, I think that's the real issue: IF THIS VIDEO REALLY DID EXIST. There doesn't seem to be any proof of that now. First, I think it's good to identify who these PIs are. Apparently Dominic Casey worked for Baez until he was let go October 1st, and then he approached the Anthonys to work for them. Hoover, the supposed photographer, was really nothing more than a 'hanger on', a fellow who approached the Anthonys and agreed to assist with security for them at no charge. He inserted himself into this whole thing with no invitation, I understand, and did not work with or for D. Casey. I think what we have here is another guy looking for some free advertizing/publicity. I do think they may have been in that general area because of Kiomarie's information, but that's as far as it goes.

[AJandTam]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.

Good Morning GrannyB,

I don't get this either. Caylee is down to bones now. Not an actual body. It's like someone said the other day. It surely doesn't take long to examine bones. I can't imagine what the hold up is. It is time for this little girl to rest in peace. What are they doing? I don't know. Seriously, it is strange to me. I know we had the holidays and all but they were given those remains many days ago? I can't remember at the moment exactly what day it was. I'd have to go check.

[desmom]

I am wondering if the two PIs held their predicted news conference yesterday. I never heard anything. I get the feeling we are putting too much importance on those two.


Good Morning!

As many predicted, it did not happen:

No Press Conference From Anthonys' Private Investigators
http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html#-

[SavannahStar]

Well, I think that's the real issue: IF THIS VIDEO REALLY DID EXIST. There doesn't seem to be any proof of that now. First, I think it's good to identify who these PIs are. Apparently Dominic Casey worked for Baez until he was let go October 1st, and then he approached the Anthonys to work for them. Hoover, the supposed photographer, was really nothing more than a 'hanger on', a fellow who approached the Anthonys and agreed to assist with security for them at no charge. He inserted himself into this whole thing with no invitation, I understand, and did not work with or for D. Casey. I think what we have here is another guy looking for some free advertizing/publicity. I do think they may have been in that general area because of Kiomarie's information, but that's as far as it goes.


You make some good points, SandyO.

This whole issue with the alleged video is so confusing to me I really haven't formed an opinion. It's so weird.

[n/t]

Who is that guy? Sapraicone?

MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE PRESIDENT OF SQUAD SECURITY INC

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[n/t]

LANCE: We are being told that the FBI does have the video but just to correct something, Nancy. Dominic Casey worked for Jose Baez, the attorney for Casey Anthony for a period of time from about July until October. After that time they parted ways and then Casey, Dominic Casey, went to go work for the Anthony family. Now Jim Hoover apparently got in contact with the Anthony family at some point. He decided that he wanted to help out. He offered his services to be security and he became a security guard volunteering his time to the Anthonys

[Calla]

Morning all


I know people are of the opinion tha Lenny Padilla is an odd "character" but I still don't see what he hopes to gain by telling of a conversation that others say never happened. I don't get it.:confused:

[CANDYKISSES]

There's the video/no video debate. Does the video exist or not? If it does, why did they tape where Caylee's remains were found (or surrounding area). DC says it was because of Kio's statement that's where teenagers hung out. I say BS. They were tipped off, imo.

You have to wonder about the polygraph questions for Lenny. I am thinking he could have thrown around a few accusations and PERHAPS as he alleged; just maybe Lenny wound up talking to Nick Savage about what was going on with the PI team. I dunno, just thinking here.

I'm still trying to figure out how everyone was in a different place when she was finally located, and the idea it took three or four calls from the same person,not to mention the idea originating from Kio Marie....

It's all too coincidental for me even tho I liked the sprinkling of Karma aspect. I don't think we see karma work that cohesively all by itself...JMO tho. :unsure:

[n/t]

Good Morning!

As many predicted, it did not happen:

No Press Conference From Anthonys' Private Investigators
http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html#-

They're probably busy trying to find a lawyer. Any left in Florida?:rolleyes:

[desmom]

If LP knew. Seems like he would have told the LE/FBI and they could have went and found Caylee or else he could have done it himself. Either way, we know he was actively trying to find Caylee, so it doesn't make sense that he knew where she was for a month or any length of time and yet the MR is the one who discovered the body??? I think he must be full of BS. JMO.

Morning Tam.

On NG last night, LP said he did call the FBI after he received the call from Hoover in December. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

PADILLA: I immediately called Nick Savage. I didn`t want to get caught up in a little econ-type situation, where I had information and I didn`t give it to him. So I contacted him, and I says, you better talk to this guy. I also told Hoover, three times, no less than three times you better contact the authorities, this kind of stuff can cause you problems.

GRACE: OK, and for the viewers, who is Nick Savage?

PADILLA: Nick Savage is the FBI agent in charge of the investigation in Orlando.

[SavannahStar]

MICHAEL SAPRAICONE, FMR. NYPD DETECTIVE PRESIDENT OF SQUAD SECURITY INC

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html


Thank you, n/t.

[Calla]

[QUOTE=MacDaddy;12620980]**

Now if Padilla is correct, we have to assume that LE and the Feds know or knew about these tapes, photo stills, etc. Padilla would not just go on a National talk show and outright lie. He is not stupid, just a little bit of a media wh@re. Now if you believe this as fact, which I do, then someone must have tipped them off to go into that swamp area. It also makes sense that the PI's would have reported to the Anthony's about this. WHich makes them guilty as hell of covering up the crime.

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Thats what I tried to say but you had the words that I didnt:tongue:

[jammies]

Morning all


I know people are of the opinion tha Lenny Padilla is an odd "character" but I still don't see what he hopes to gain by telling of a conversation that others say never happened. I don't get it.:confused:


But why didn't Padilla ever discuss this tape before? How did HE get in the middle of this?

[AJandTam]

That one is simple. Just be connected to the Anthony's and weird stuff happens.

So it seems. Originally, I could relate to the position they were in, however, it all started to spin into something sinister along the way. I truly lost my belief that the grandparents were just victims of a wayward, dark, and evil daughter. They seem to have a darkside too..Then came the parade of unethical, unimaginable, publicity seekers w/questionable motives. It's all about the money. I suppose that's the real bottom line in it all. They say money is the root of all evil..

[Calla]

I absolutely (sorry there's that word) recall Lenny Padillasaying in an interview to someone..if you ar calling me a liar tehn you are calling Nick Savage a liar...or something like that.
There's my point..Lenny is out there but not that far out there.

[CANDYKISSES]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.


GrannyB, it makes me ill too, trust me. I am praying you are wrong, but acknowledge you're probably right. Every time I give that group the benefit of the doubt, they pull something new out of their hats. It seems the big plan failed and it could be they are trying to work out a DEAL if you will. :crying:

Of course, we don't know what kind of wheeling and dealing must go on with the defense and LE concerning Casey's rights either concerning laying Caylee to rest. I'm hoping for some common decency to come into play from Hopespring....:crying:

[n/t]

The one piece of info that some of us are overlooking is the fact that ALL the Anthony's have lawyered up. All of their lawyers have offered cooperation in exchange for immunity. These are well documented facts.

Now if Padilla is correct, we have to assume that LE and the Feds know or knew about these tapes, photo stills, etc. Padilla would not just go on a National talk show and outright lie. He is not stupid, just a little bit of a media wh@re. Now if you believe this as fact, which I do, then someone must have tipped them off to go into that swamp area. It also makes sense that the PI's would have reported to the Anthony's about this. WHich makes them guilty as hell of covering up the crime.

Now....is it a leap of faith....the only part that is, IMO, is the question of where the tip came from. But that still does not make Cindy and George less guilty. Also, Padilla was told that "they were going to search for a dead Caylee". Who knew she was dead and the body was there? Except Casey, and Maybe George and Cindy. Maybe Lee.

This also dovetails nicely into the fact that the only "Childrens search Organization" that would have anything to do with this case was KFN, who has no credibility and is run by a convicted felon, as well as a man that feels it is necessary to attack reporters. There are about 100 missing children organizations that I have found on the web.....and this is the best that the Anthony's could do?

It also dovetails that anyone with ANY credibility has been either thrown under the bus, or just got out and away from Cindy.

I don't know folks...it just makes a lot of sense that maybe Casey sent a message through Baez and finally confessed, then everyone involved is guilty of at least obstruction, Fraud, ...the list is endless.

Just my mind working before my morning coffee, but it does make sense.

Excellent points. I always had my suspicions. I always believed Casey confessed to Lee. We'll see.

As for Lenny, if he's telling the truth then he's just as involved, isn't he? If he knew about this tape back in August, why didn't he tell the FBI then. I couldn't make heads or tails of what he was talking about. He confuses dates and it's very difficult to follow. I'm not sure if it's because he's hiding some of the stuff he knows, protecting himself from possible charges or what?

[SavannahStar]

The one piece of info that some of us are overlooking is the fact that ALL the Anthony's have lawyered up. All of their lawyers have offered cooperation in exchange for immunity. These are well documented facts.

Now if Padilla is correct, we have to assume that LE and the Feds know or knew about these tapes, photo stills, etc. Padilla would not just go on a National talk show and outright lie. He is not stupid, just a little bit of a media wh@re. Now if you believe this as fact, which I do, then someone must have tipped them off to go into that swamp area. It also makes sense that the PI's would have reported to the Anthony's about this. WHich makes them guilty as hell of covering up the crime.

Now....is it a leap of faith....the only part that is, IMO, is the question of where the tip came from. But that still does not make Cindy and George less guilty. Also, Padilla was told that "they were going to search for a dead Caylee". Who knew she was dead and the body was there? Except Casey, and Maybe George and Cindy. Maybe Lee.

This also dovetails nicely into the fact that the only "Childrens search Organization" that would have anything to do with this case was KFN, who has no credibility and is run by a convicted felon, as well as a man that feels it is necessary to attack reporters. There are about 100 missing children organizations that I have found on the web.....and this is the best that the Anthony's could do?

It also dovetails that anyone with ANY credibility has been either thrown under the bus, or just got out and away from Cindy.

I don't know folks...it just makes a lot of sense that maybe Casey sent a message through Baez and finally confessed, then everyone involved is guilty of at least obstruction, Fraud, ...the list is endless.

Just my mind working before my morning coffee, but it does make sense.


Well you have two "givens" in there that I don't necessarily agree with. We just don't know yet. First off, that LP would not lie on TV. I'm not so sure about that. Secondly, the assumption that the PIs would have told the Anthonys.

IF the tip came from Casey through Baez, it's possible that those were the ONLY ones who knew.....Casey, Baez, and the PIs. Casey and Baez had no legal obligation, to my knowledge, to say anything to LE. Did the PIs?

What was hoped to be gained by Baez in filming this location? If he is the one that told the PIs? I guess I'm missing something here.

[SavannahStar]

Excellent points. I always had my suspicions. I always believed Casey confessed to Lee. We'll see.

As for Lenny, if he's telling the truth then he's just as involved, isn't he? If he knew about this tape back in August, why didn't he tell the FBI then. I couldn't make heads or tails of what he was talking about. He confuses dates and it's very difficult to follow. I'm not sure if it's because he's hiding some of the stuff he knows, protecting himself from possible charges or what?


Wow, I TOTALLY agree with your second paragraph.

[CANDYKISSES]

I absolutely (sorry there's that word) recall Lenny Padillasaying in an interview to someone..if you ar calling me a liar tehn you are calling Nick Savage a liar...or something like that.
There's my point..Lenny is out there but not that far out there.

I don't completely dismiss Lenny from the traveling clown show, but it gets harder and harder to believe him these days.

I commend him for at least staying on the search efforts, but it sure does make sense as to why he backed out, the polygraph story came out and NANCY STILL HAS HIM ON.

IF Nancy thought he was DIRTY, I don't think she would still use him. Rather, I see her contacts have cleared him of any wrongdoing as far as this case goes, but that's JMO.:blushing:

[Calla]

But why didn't Padilla ever discuss this tape before? How did HE get in the middle of this?

Maybe when he high tailed it back to Cali he had been advised to get out of dodge because of what he knew..

I don't know but you do have to admit it would really be crazy to bring an FBI guys name into a story if it were totally fabricated.:confused:

I think Lenny needs his own show so I can hear what he thinks without NG interrupting him :laugh:

[SavannahStar]

If the tape was revealed to Padilla in November......who's to say that he did not tell OCSO about it....makes sense he did. And if he did, he might have been told to NOT discuss it. PErhaps LE was trying to cast a large net to see who else was involved.

Just speculation on this part though


If he told OCSO about it in November, though, then why wasn't her body found then? I cannot imagine for anything that OCSO would have known where her body possibly was and not gone and checked it out and found her. Why did it take the meter reader to do that a month later?

[Katt2]

Good Morning GrannyB,

I don't get this either. Caylee is down to bones now. Not an actual body. It's like someone said the other day. It surely doesn't take long to examine bones. I can't imagine what the hold up is. It is time for this little girl to rest in peace. What are they doing? I don't know. Seriously, it is strange to me. I know we had the holidays and all but they were given those remains many days ago? I can't remember at the moment exactly what day it was. I'd have to go check.

I have my own logical thought on the holdup. I think it could be possible that the defense is waiting on the exrays and photos to use as comparison to their own expert findings in the event they want to counter any points the prosecution experts have made.

[n/t]

Morning Tam.

On NG last night, LP said he did call the FBI after he received the call from Hoover in December. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

PADILLA: I immediately called Nick Savage. I didn`t want to get caught up in a little econ-type situation, where I had information and I didn`t give it to him. So I contacted him, and I says, you better talk to this guy. I also told Hoover, three times, no less than three times you better contact the authorities, this kind of stuff can cause you problems.

GRACE: OK, and for the viewers, who is Nick Savage?

PADILLA: Nick Savage is the FBI agent in charge of the investigation in Orlando.


But Des, then he goes on to say he knew about the tape back in August when he bailed Casey out. I posted the transcript up there. So which is it?

[desmom]

I thought they were looking for a live Caylee. Why would they be filming a wooded area, if this video really did exist?

I agree n/t! At that time Dominic Casey was no longer working for JB. He was working for George and Cindy.

Yesterday, daHawg pointed out this is the same week NeJames resigned http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=4B38AB43170A22D53E91003D62B5D67B ?contentId=7910751&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1 and on 11/21, G & C did the interview where Cindy looked so bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk

[SavannahStar]

Maybe when he high tailed it back to Cali he had been advised to get out of dodge because of what he knew..

I don't know but you do have to admit it would really be crazy to bring an FBI guys name into a story if it were totally fabricated.:confused:

I think Lenny needs his own show so I can hear what he thinks without NG interrupting him :laugh:

ITA, buwahahahhahaa!

[jammies]

If the tape was revealed to Padilla in November......who's to say that he did not tell OCSO about it....makes sense he did. And if he did, he might have been told to NOT discuss it. PErhaps LE was trying to cast a large net to see who else was involved.

Just speculation on this part though


I'm just not understanding exactly WHEN this was told to Padilla and WHY anyone would tell him in the first place? Everyone knows he has a big mouth. Did this PI WANT him to blab? Was this a set up or just to garner attention?


Too many questions. Admittedly, I haven't paid too much attention to this "tape". We all know LP exaggerates and throws out things that are total bs. Guess we will have to wait until LE or FBI confirms.

[desmom]

But Des, then he goes on to say he knew about the tape back in August when he bailed Casey out. I posted the transcript up there. So which is it?

From your post up thread:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.

LP reminds me of an excited child when he talks. His thoughts come out all jumbled. You have to kind of read it in pieces.

IMO, LP is saying he met Hoover in August. When Hoover called LP in December, he mentioned he had a film from when Dominic called him on November 15. LP asks how he can have a film of that area.........

[AJandTam]

Morning Tam.

On NG last night, LP said he did call the FBI after he received the call from Hoover in December. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

PADILLA: I immediately called Nick Savage. I didn`t want to get caught up in a little econ-type situation, where I had information and I didn`t give it to him. So I contacted him, and I says, you better talk to this guy. I also told Hoover, three times, no less than three times you better contact the authorities, this kind of stuff can cause you problems.

GRACE: OK, and for the viewers, who is Nick Savage?

PADILLA: Nick Savage is the FBI agent in charge of the investigation in Orlando.

I hope he did tell the FBI, as IF he didn't. He has dug himself a big fat hole. Nick Savage knows if he did or not.

[kOOkie1]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled at 9:00am Tuesday to determine if a civil judge will delay Casey's deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her until after her criminal trial.

Casey Anthony's defense team wants to avoid having her testify in a civil trial that could be used against her in a criminal trial.
Attorney John Morgan is representing a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who says Casey has ruined her name and her life after she claimed a woman by the same name had her daughter Caylee.
John Morgan would be allowed to question Casey about details of the case during the deposition and any answers she gives could potentially be used against Casey in her murder trial
However, Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions. http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html


Morning!! Ohh how i wish she was made to testify!!!But I think it will be delayed:bored:
(jmo)

[GrannyB]

He might of had the wrong area of the woods, maybe under water.....maybe they know they looked there 3x and it was searched by everyone when it was under water. Maybe they acted on 5,000 bogus tips, all the lies from Cindy.....etc, etc, etc.

Don't have an answer to that question

Or maybe the pi's were set up and the body wasn't there when they filmed. Remember George did tell us Caylee was moved at least 9 times. He was talking about the kidnappers but there just may be a little truth in his lies.

[bluwaters]

If the tape was revealed to Padilla in November......who's to say that he did not tell OCSO about it....makes sense he did. And if he did, he might have been told to NOT discuss it. PErhaps LE was trying to cast a large net to see who else was involved.

Just speculation on this part though
Hi Daddy-O!
Right. He said that he told the FBI right away, and suggested to Hoover 3 times that he should contact LE also.
Lenny said that he did not want a repeat of the Little Econ incident.

[CANDYKISSES]

I agree n/t! At that time Dominic Casey was no longer working for JB. He was working for George and Cindy.

Yesterday, daHawg pointed out this is the same week NeJames resigned http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=4B38AB43170A22D53E91003D62B5D67B ?contentId=7910751&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1 and on 11/21, G & C did the interview where Cindy looked so bad http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk

I have been thinking that's about the time Cindy started waning away and both George and Cindy looked awful the night of the LKL interview. I can't get over the idea they were preparing for the next phase.

JMO:unsure:

[SandyO]

Well you have two "givens" in there that I don't necessarily agree with. We just don't know yet. First off, that LP would not lie on TV. I'm not so sure about that. Secondly, the assumption that the PIs would have told the Anthonys.

IF the tip came from Casey through Baez, it's possible that those were the ONLY ones who knew.....Casey, Baez, and the PIs. Casey and Baez had no legal obligation, to my knowledge, to say anything to LE. Did the PIs?

What was hoped to be gained by Baez in filming this location? If he is the one that told the PIs? I guess I'm missing something here.

One thing I know for sure, and I don't know how it helps here, but any PI worth his salt not only investigates the subject of his clients, he also INVESTIGATES HIS CLIENTS.

[n/t]

From your post up thread:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.

LP reminds me of an excited child when he talks. His thoughts come out all jumbled. You have to kind of read it in pieces.

IMO, LP is saying he met Hoover in August. When Hoover called LP in December, he mentioned he had a film from when Dominic called him on November 15. LP asks how he can have a film of that area.........


LOL ok I get what you're saying. Excited child is exactly how he comes across to me too. I know a secret and then he tries to tell it but he's too excited that it comes out all wrong. :lol:


Off to work. I wish I could stick around. Will check in later. *sigh*

[bluwaters]

Maybe when he high tailed it back to Cali he had been advised to get out of dodge because of what he knew..

I don't know but you do have to admit it would really be crazy to bring an FBI guys name into a story if it were totally fabricated.:confused:

I think Lenny needs his own show so I can hear what he thinks without NG interrupting him :laugh:

*bolding mine
I think that Lenny probably agrees with you! :biggrin:

[cassidy]

I must be a bit slow. How do you tape over something that doesn't exist in the first place?

You pretend that you taped over it. Right in line with the invisible nanny.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm just not understanding exactly WHEN this was told to Padilla and WHY anyone would tell him in the first place? Everyone knows he has a big mouth. Did this PI WANT him to blab? Was this a set up or just to garner attention?


Too many questions. Admittedly, I haven't paid too much attention to this "tape". We all know LP exaggerates and throws out things that are total bs. Guess we will have to wait until LE or FBI confirms.

That's what I think too Jammies, but the fact they canceled their conference gives me a hint at what the FBI forensics might unveil. :scared:

[CANDYKISSES]

I've seen some references to George knowing the body was moved nine times, but never any confirmation.

Can anyone post a link to this? TIA:thumbup:

[GrannyB]

Accepting the fact that George knows that Caylee was moved 9x.....then why did he not get OCSO on this? If he knew the body was moved...where did he get his info? Had to be from someone that knows who the "kidnappers" where.....right?

Can't buy into that. Sorry...no disrespect intended Granny.:tongue:

Also if the PI's where set up....then why didn't they call authorities once they got the tip? Makes them guilty of obstruction as well, I would think.

I don't think they got a tip the body was there. I think they may have been sent to just check it out to prove later the body wasn't there by one of the A's. The a's have no problem muddying the water anyway they can. On the other hand everyone connected with the A's gets burned by them. NeJames was the only one smart enough to get out. I wonder what he did find out that made him dump them. Hes said it would shock us.

[GrannyB]

I've seen some references to George knowing the body was moved nine times, but never any confirmation.

Can anyone post a link to this? TIA:thumbup:


It was on TV maybe in the links thread. It was a while back. And no I don't believe him but he said it.

[cassidy]

I've seen some references to George knowing the body was moved nine times, but never any confirmation.

Can anyone post a link to this? TIA:thumbup:

I don't have a link but I do recall that interview. George was stating that a LIVE Caylee had been tracked to 9 different locations. Each time, apparently (according to George anyhow), the investegators "just missed her". He did not say her body was moved.
IIRC
JMO

[bluwaters]

Lenny was also on Galanos yesterday:
Mike Galanos_Jan.5_Part 2_John Travolta and Caylee case_Part 2
(Caylee starts at 5:00 in, after Jett Travolta story. Part 1 is all Jett T.)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ulYw_SpHxmc&feature=related

Part 3
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fB9IX5tmRw&feature=channel

Part 4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ocrUuUdCfLg&feature=channel

Lenny gets lots more air time on this show, compared to NG.
Interesting, Lenny starts off by saying when Hoover contacted him, LP's first thought was that LE was trying to set him up and so he called Nick Savage right away.

[SavannahStar]

I don't have a link but I do recall that interview. George was stating that a LIVE Caylee had been tracked to 9 different locations. Each time, apparently (according to George anyhow), the investegators "just missed her". He did not say her body was moved.
IIRC
JMO

That's how I remember it, NOT that her body was moved 9 times.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't have a link but I do recall that interview. George was stating that a LIVE Caylee had been tracked to 9 different locations. Each time, apparently (according to George anyhow), the investegators "just missed her". He did not say her body was moved.
IIRC
JMO


Thanks Granny and Cassidy. I can hardly wait for an IMMUNITY DEAL, as much as I don't think they should get it. JMO tho. :angry:

[bluwaters]

I have my own logical thought on the holdup. I think it could be possible that the defense is waiting on the exrays and photos to use as comparison to their own expert findings in the event they want to counter any points the prosecution experts have made.

Right. They will not bury her until they have received the info from the prosecution. It would be remiss of the defense to not wait for that.

[Calla]

So does anyone think maybe Lenny isn't such a nut case after all and maybe some of the stuff that occurred was because he needed to be discredited ..and quickly!?

ok I was just askin :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Right. They will not bury her until they have received the info from the prosecution. It would be remiss of the defense to not wait for that.


I know impartial, one of our resident attorneys, mentioned that days ago. But I think that fact is lost on some.

[AJandTam]

Snipped


I agree...it makes sense that saying the Anthony's have a dark side, does not take a leap of faith.....just an open eye.

I think they knew she was gone from the very beginning. I also think that this "Search for a live Caylee" was done to taint the jury pool and sway public opinion. WOW.....wouldn't it be something if all the Anthony's get to watch the memorial service for the baby in adjoining cells. Maybe we all know now why the jail visits have stopped. And Lee moving into the home is probably just a way of "circling the wagons"

It seems you were right in your other post on this thread. The A's lawyering up was one thing. Asking for immunity was another. I don't truly have a clue what they have done or what happened. I got back and forth w/my theories. Chances are, all of my theories are wrong. This will be somethiing completely different. No less sinister IMHO, something just not right about this whole deal.

[NYGalPal]

Morning,

Has there been any mention of when this poor innocent child will be put to rest finally?

[Duckaroo]

I've always wondered, if the A's truly believed Casey was going to work all during the time she actually had no job, aside from leaving the house and just saying she had a job, was there anything else to lead them to believe she was employed? Like a paycheck/stub, money..other than what she may have swiped from piggy banks, cc's or other people's bank accounts I mean, perhaps buying necessities for Caylee like diapers, toys, clothes, or herself..gas for the car etc.

[Destini]

Haven't posted in awhile, but here's a thought. If the D. Casey had info. from Baez/Casey or anyone else that Caylee was located there, they might go look & they might film, but if they "found" Caylee then it would bring into question where they got their info & drag them into this mess. They would have to come up with something as to why they were working for the Anthonys & knew this information. Maybe then they felt they had to rope someone else into making the discovery to protect their "source." Does that make sense?

Were the original tips from the meter reader in the document dump anywhere?

[jammies]

I've always wondered, if the A's truly believed Casey was going to work all during the time she actually had no job, aside from leaving the house and just saying she had a job, was there anything else to lead them to believe she was employed? Like a paycheck/stub, money..other than what she may have swiped from piggy banks, cc's or other people's bank accounts I mean, perhaps buying necessities for Caylee like diapers, toys, clothes, or herself..gas for the car etc.


George knew. He admits it in one of his interviews.

[AJandTam]

Or maybe the pi's were set up and the body wasn't there when they filmed. Remember George did tell us Caylee was moved at least 9 times. He was talking about the kidnappers but there just may be a little truth in his lies.

What a freaky lie that was. Even then we knew he wasn't telling the truth. It didn't make any sense. You could be right. This might be another of those Anthony deals where they tell the truth when they lie...((( smacking self)) the words come out but the thought process behind it is just wicked, I tell ya...

[johnielee333]

A :rose: for our sweet little beautiful Caylee.

[Calla]

Sort of.....he needed to get Cindy attacking him?.........never thought of that angle.

What are you thinkin'?

Well I think about this..

I respect TIm Miller immensely....he was obviously rubbed the wrong way by the A's. And imoo had the same ideas that Nejame had. (or info)

I do not for one second think Lenny Padilla is an idiot but I think someone tried hard to make him look like one.
I know someone wants to post that he needed no help in looking like one.
I just don't think it is as simple as it appears.
I can't say anymore or I may have to catch a quick flight to Cali:laugh:

[esmile]

:unsure: a word about premeditation in this case...

Since premeditation can be a matter of seconds as well as an organized, thought-out plan, (in fact in the Tara Grant case it was premeditation because he choked her which mean it took time and thought to continue to do so until she died) then I just hope and pray they can tie the death to the use of chloroform, and possibly duct tape. This would be considered premeditation because of the time it took to put it on and hold it to the mouth....

I guess since the coroner's office called this a homicide but said manner of death is unknown, it's going to take further evidence that we may not presently know about to prove premeditation. I say we start praying for the future jurors of this case - that whomever is selected sees the truth here.

[AJandTam]

I have my own logical thought on the holdup. I think it could be possible that the defense is waiting on the exrays and photos to use as comparison to their own expert findings in the event they want to counter any points the prosecution experts have made.

Your thoughts on this are as good as anyone elses. I have absolutely no idea why they are waiting so long. It's an Anthony thing, I suppose..

[Regina.Lampert]

If the tape was revealed to Padilla in November......who's to say that he did not tell OCSO about it....makes sense he did. And if he did, he might have been told to NOT discuss it. PErhaps LE was trying to cast a large net to see who else was involved.

Just speculation on this part though


Hiya Mac, I'm liking your theory here, but let's remember ole Padilla also tried to throw Roy Kronk under the bus by suggesting he was tipped off by someone in the anthony camp and that is how he actually found the remains. I don't believe that one.

But, I do agree that the information of exactly where to look came from casey anthony. :seeya:

[CANDYKISSES]

George knew. He admits it in one of his interviews.

After watching all the interviews and a few twice, I think George pretty much left CASEY to the care of Cindy after they decided to stay together.

IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME to find that Casey leveled the accusation against George during the split to get her parents to refrain from going back together. JMO and nothing more.

I can remember early on before the complete cleaning of the myspace account, she posted to Lee about being uncomfortable having George back home....I'LL BET if she leveled a false accusation. Just opining tho. :blink:

[AJandTam]

This is why I am saying that PAdilla is not stupid....He has the FBI informed. There is no way he would open himself up to a lawsuit by telling BS on a national show. He leaves that for the Anthony's...they have the market cornered on that!

You wouldn't think so MacDaddy. It's a strange story. LP's thing was to find Caylee. He did searches and got involved. Talked on tv every night. Now backwards we go. He says he knew where the body was before it was found. I need a new brain to sort all of this weird stuff out. My comprehension skills are on the brink, I think.

[Calla]

I've always wondered, if the A's truly believed Casey was going to work all during the time she actually had no job, aside from leaving the house and just saying she had a job, was there anything else to lead them to believe she was employed? Like a paycheck/stub, money..other than what she may have swiped from piggy banks, cc's or other people's bank accounts I mean, perhaps buying necessities for Caylee like diapers, toys, clothes, or herself..gas for the car etc.

I think George may have know she wasn't working but he suffers from and encourages the "don't tell your mom syndrome".
I have been the victim of that becaue no one wanted to suffer my wrath. Of course they say they didn't want to see me worried or upset..Yeah right!

I was wondering if Casey always stole money from people.
I know she had a tendency to lie but all info points to denial of a pregnancy as the beginning which is not unusual for young girls depending on the circumstances.

If her erratic behavior is a recent development, I have to say, (from personal experiences) that this behavior is right on with the 'crackheads' I have had to deal with over recent years.

Stealing from friends and family and suddenly being without concience..
All rational thoughts would be that you would get caught and have to answer, but they don't care at that moment..

Just askin..I know most are of the opinion that she has always been this way.

[bballgrl]

If LP knew. Seems like he would have told the LE/FBI and they could have went and found Caylee or else he could have done it himself. Either way, we know he was actively trying to find Caylee, so it doesn't make sense that he knew where she was for a month or any length of time and yet the MR is the one who discovered the body??? I think he must be full of BS. JMO.


Actually Nancy asked him about that and he said that he told Nick Savage about it and he never got back to him.... something to that effect, IIRC.

[Barbara fl.]

Leonard Padilla confuses the heck out of me. It's hard enough to believe anything he says but then when he says something...it doesn't make any sense.

WTH is he talking about? He says he saw the video after the remains were found but then says he talked to Hoover when he first bailed Casey out and Hoover told him about the video?

Can anyone make any sense out of what he's saying? :cursing:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html



I wouldn't believe anything LP has to say...How he became such a figure in this case is beyond me...He butted in where he should have minded his business....He is in this just for all the publicity he can get....

I can not believe the LE is putting anything in believing what he has to say.....I just realized last evening that it was LP who started this whole mess of a picture being taken.....This guy needs a polygraph.....JMO

[AJandTam]

You pretend that you taped over it. Right in line with the invisible nanny.


No kidding.. This is an illussion nightmare, isn't it? Even my thoughts and theories are going poof in my head faster than I can think them up... Stumped, I suppose. Nothing I come up w/makes any darn sense. I'm waiting on someone else to solve this one for me. It's a crazy world out there, and this story is the top of the list...

[desmom]

I don't have a link but I do recall that interview. George was stating that a LIVE Caylee had been tracked to 9 different locations. Each time, apparently (according to George anyhow), the investegators "just missed her". He did not say her body was moved.
IIRC
JMO

This video has been discussed several times. I finally found it...

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks

[Regina.Lampert]

I hope he did tell the FBI, as IF he didn't. He has dug himself a big fat hole. Nick Savage knows if he did or not.

I think he did tell Nick Savage, who more then likely just rolled his eyes because this was around the time of the "little Econ river" fiasco and the divers who found "bones" wasn't it? Nick Savage probably learned a valuable lesson from that and took this report of ole padilla's with a huge box of Mortons. imo.

I bet many in LE were absolutely shocked and astonished when little Caylee turned up so close to the house. I think they were concentrating so hard on those cell pings around the airport......

I agree with you Tam, this entire family has no concept of what is right and moral under these circumstances, imo.

[Barbara fl.]

If LP knew. Seems like he would have told the LE/FBI and they could have went and found Caylee or else he could have done it himself. Either way, we know he was actively trying to find Caylee, so it doesn't make sense that he knew where she was for a month or any length of time and yet the MR is the one who discovered the body??? I think he must be full of BS. JMO.


He is....full of BS....has been since day one....I believe every word Tim Miller said about him.....He is nothing in this case so why is he still around?...He is a bounty hunter...he looks for people the jump their bond...he should stick to that....JMO

[spageddy]

morning all!
I really think that brother-Lee has known most of this sad story right from the start. Either Casy told him things or he figured it out during his "investigation". I wonder where Mallory is? Anybody know? I'd love to hear her version of things.
I can picture the remaining free A's trying to get their stories straight. I'll bet THEY can't even tell truth from fiction anymore. "Casey? NO! Casey the PI not Casey the tot-Mom" Padilla? I mean Lenny, - not the LE guy! Lee, when did you become a Doctor? Oh, it's HENRY Lee? "
Looks to get very interesting...

[henry]

You wouldn't think so MacDaddy. It's a strange story. LP's thing was to find Caylee. He did searches and got involved. Talked on tv every night. Now backwards we go. He says he knew where the body was before it was found. I need a new brain to sort all of this weird stuff out. My comprehension skills are on the brink, I think.

gmorning! one thing that had my hinkey meter raised were all statements he/lpadilla made on ngrrrace . . . and not one of them got a rise out of her . . . quite strange when she jumps on others for the slightest reason . . . who knows? i do know that i was out of my chair last nite when she mocked annbremmer(sp?) on the constitution . . .

edit . . . which also makes me wonder why LE has not interviewed/got a written statement from lpadilla & co.

[Barbara fl.]

Haven't posted in awhile, but here's a thought. If the D. Casey had info. from Baez/Casey or anyone else that Caylee was located there, they might go look & they might film, but if they "found" Caylee then it would bring into question where they got their info & drag them into this mess. They would have to come up with something as to why they were working for the Anthonys & knew this information. Maybe then they felt they had to rope someone else into making the discovery to protect their "source." Does that make sense?

Were the original tips from the meter reader in the document dump anywhere?


It makes sense BUT the original calls placed by the MR were back in August...SO I think it's safe to assume that the remains were there at that time....IF the family found out about it later, that could be the reason they are asking for immunity....but I personally do not buy it....JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

I know impartial, one of our resident attorneys, mentioned that days ago. But I think that fact is lost on some.

Well, they may be waiting for some time then, because the Judge ruled the prosecution has 14 days to turn over discovery or appeal the ruling. Would the defense delay Caylee's being laid to rest over photos that they do not need anyway to conduct a second exam. Why yes they would, imo.

No respect for Caylee Marie Anthony, in life or death, imo.

[Daffodil]

But Des, then he goes on to say he knew about the tape back in August when he bailed Casey out. I posted the transcript up there. So which is it?

The way I read that quote was that he met him in August(period). Then he went on to the next statement. I can see how it could be confusing.

[henry]

Well, they may be waiting for some time then, because the Judge ruled the prosecution has 14 days to turn over discovery or appeal the ruling. Would the defense delay Caylee's being laid to rest over photos that they do not need anyway to conduct a second exam. Why yes they would, imo.

No respect for Caylee Marie Anthony, in life or death, imo.

yup . . . i've been waiting for baez to blame the prosecution for delaying the funeral. guess they took that opportunity away from him.

[msgatorslayer]

I've always wondered, if the A's truly believed Casey was going to work all during the time she actually had no job, aside from leaving the house and just saying she had a job, was there anything else to lead them to believe she was employed? Like a paycheck/stub, money..other than what she may have swiped from piggy banks, cc's or other people's bank accounts I mean, perhaps buying necessities for Caylee like diapers, toys, clothes, or herself..gas for the car etc.

G'morning everyone!!

Casey had fake correspondence e-mails from Universal. IIRC, one spoke of an upcoming 'event' and gave everyone their schedule. It was interesting to note that Casey had the least hours, lmao. In another, Casey was talking with someone from the payroll dept. about her paycheck. And was told the human resource/payroll building would be closed. Sorry for the inconvenience, bla, bla, bla. IIRC, these were dated just prior to Christmas of 2008. IMO, she was giving her parents an excuse as to why she didn't have money for Christmas.

[I'mRight]

I keep thinking about that One Tree Hill episode. In the episode, the nanny plans to colour the kidnapped child's hair. Wouldn't it be crazy if Casey dyed Caylee's hair right before she killed her? Kinda out there, but so is Casey. Just a wild thought.

[NYGalPal]

I know impartial, one of our resident attorneys, mentioned that days ago. But I think that fact is lost on some.

Who are our resident attorneys? Fact? I've got a fact for you that is lost on you. It doesn't take that long to do a second autopsy. :rolleyes:

[AJandTam]

Thanks for the kudos!

The entire family has protected and lied about her, even way before the baby was killed. Why stop now, I guess.

We need to ask ourselves why would the Grandparents need or want immunity?......if they have info as to someone else killed the baby, why in the world would they want to hide the evidence and get Casey out of jail?.....does not make sense.

As for Lee, when he began talking in "tongues":rolleyes: at the jail visits, he lost me. I think at that point he knew..if not earlier that his sister was more involved in this.

We also need to find out what all of those donations went to. Cindy says the donations were used by Lee to help find Caylee. Maybe Lee enjoyed a vacation in Puerto Rico? Who knows...but if we follow the money....it usually leads to the guilty party.

I have been saying exactly the same as you are saying right now. To get immunity for testimoney. You have to KNOW something to begin w/. Not suspect or think it.. Normally I don't have alot to say about money/donations. It is standard in these type of situations. However, IF someone collected money under false pretenses, knowing that the baby was already gone. Which I believe they did. Then that is more than I can swallow. A little girls life is worth every dime any of us have. And so many people help out in times like these. It's not fair to this child or any other for someone to exploit kind hearts.

[spageddy]

My little brain is not processing this meter reader/PI/ video tape/no video tape stuff. What I can't figure is :how could so many people allow themselves to get mixed up with this case? Knowing the scrutiny and media attention it's getting, wouldn't you think any sane or semi-sane person would steer clear of involving themselves in this mess?

[SandyO]

Stepping waaaaay back and looking at this entire case from afar ---- it looks to me like a spider. The spider's body is the fact that Caylee is dead and Casey killed her and disposed of her. The spider's legs are all these side issues --- the family, Padilla, the investigators, the nanny, and on and on. Take away the spider's legs, and the ugly body is still there ---- Caylee is dead and Casey (alone) killed her.

[Barbara fl.]

G'morning everyone!!

Casey had fake correspondence e-mails from Universal. IIRC, one spoke of an upcoming 'event' and gave everyone their schedule. It was interesting to note that Casey had the least hours, lmao. In another, Casey was talking with someone from the payroll dept. about her paycheck. And was told the human resource/payroll building would be closed. Sorry for the inconvenience, bla, bla, bla. IIRC, these were dated just prior to Christmas of 2008. IMO, she was giving her parents an excuse as to why she didn't have money for Christmas.


Was this 2008, because she was in jail this last Christmas....However if she had pre planned it then that would be my guess also.....

[Barbara fl.]

Stepping waaaaay back and looking at this entire case from afar ---- it looks to me like a spider. The spider's body is the fact that Caylee is dead and Casey killed her and disposed of her. The spider's legs are all these side issues --- the family, Padilla, the investigators, the nanny, and on and on. Take away the spider's legs, and the ugly body is still there ---- Caylee is dead and Casey (alone) killed her.


Amen to that.....

[Destini]

It makes sense BUT the original calls placed by the MR were back in August...SO I think it's safe to assume that the remains were there at that time....IF the family found out about it later, that could be the reason they are asking for immunity....but I personally do not buy it....JMO

Maybe I'm way off base, but I'm just thinking this: When the MR made the calls in August, maybe they were just suspicions he had. For whatever reason LE did not thoroughly search the area, or perhaps they searched but not the EXACT spot. In any event, no one except Casey knew back in August that she was actually there.

Then in November the family or someone associated with them (George, Cindy, Lee, Baez, the PIs or someone unknown) learned Caylee was in this area. They could not "find" her because they would have to explain how they knew where to find her (from KC). To protect KC & also themselves they looked for a third person to make the discovery. Could have even gone through all the "tips" & learned about Roy Kronk & tipped him off somehow (through a phone call, note, whatever) to look again. Making him an unsuspecting scapegoat.

[JHP]

I keep thinking about that One Tree Hill episode. In the episode, the nanny plans to colour the kidnapped child's hair. Wouldn't it be crazy if Casey dyed Caylee's hair right before she killed her? Kinda out there, but so is Casey. Just a wild thought.

Didn't Cindy one day just blurt out "I think the kidnappers colored her hair." Or something to that effect?

[spageddy]

Stepping waaaaay back and looking at this entire case from afar ---- it looks to me like a spider. The spider's body is the fact that Caylee is dead and Casey killed her and disposed of her. The spider's legs are all these side issues --- the family, Padilla, the investigators, the nanny, and on and on. Take away the spider's legs, and the ugly body is still there ---- Caylee is dead and Casey (alone) killed her.


That would be right on the money, Sandy

[NYGalPal]

My little brain is not processing this meter reader/PI/ video tape/no video tape stuff. What I can't figure is :how could so many people allow themselves to get mixed up with this case? Knowing the scrutiny and media attention it's getting, wouldn't you think any sane or semi-sane person would steer clear of involving themselves in this mess?


I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately when there is a high profile case, people crawl out of the wood work to attach themselves. They do it for $$, fame..etc. Take the SP case for example. One in particular, a fired secretary, who attached herself to the case, asked for donations for Scott and admitted to using the money for herself.

Sick and I thought that would be a crime. barf

[msgatorslayer]

Was this 2008, because she was in jail this last Christmas....However if she had pre planned it then that would be my guess also.....

Er, 2007, sorry. :laugh:

[AJandTam]

WOW...that makes sense.....a whole lot of sense.....if Padilla knew beforehand the area, that is.

The only thing that comes to mind is that maybe he knew about the area being searched before, and nothing coming out of it. Then again, the A's have cried "wolf" so many times....it stands to reason that sooner or later, a tip is not being followed up on. Maybe this is one of those cases....I am giving Padilla the benefit of the doubt here, I know.

I know MacDaddy. Trying to make sense of this is really a job. Not just the A's but the side show of the extended cast of charactors. I hope we get answers soon. At this point, I feel like someone is going to talk.. They have too. I would think.

[Barbara fl.]

My little brain is not processing this meter reader/PI/ video tape/no video tape stuff. What I can't figure is :how could so many people allow themselves to get mixed up with this case? Knowing the scrutiny and media attention it's getting, wouldn't you think any sane or semi-sane person would steer clear of involving themselves in this mess?



That was the MAIN reason they all did get involved....IF LP did hear of a tape, he would have been the very first to say it when it happened while he was on the NG show.....he seems to be a regular now.....I do not believe a word of it.....The mere fact that it came from LP's mouth is enough to tell me it's a lie....

I think that is why he was first drawn to Casey.....mirror image....

[NYGalPal]

Stepping waaaaay back and looking at this entire case from afar ---- it looks to me like a spider. The spider's body is the fact that Caylee is dead and Casey killed her and disposed of her. The spider's legs are all these side issues --- the family, Padilla, the investigators, the nanny, and on and on. Take away the spider's legs, and the ugly body is still there ---- Caylee is dead and Casey (alone) killed her.

Good post. ITA

[Barbara fl.]

I know MacDaddy. Trying to make sense of this is really a job. Not just the A's but the side show of the extended cast of charactors. I hope we get answers soon. At this point, I feel like someone is going to talk.. They have too. I would think.


Yes....As one would say "it's going to hit the fan".....

[I'mRight]

Didn't Cindy one day just blurt out "I think the kidnappers colored her hair." Or something to that effect?

What????? I never heard that. If it's true, even more incriminating evidence against Casey. Another sign of premeditation if that baby's hair was coloured.

[AJandTam]

I think he did tell Nick Savage, who more then likely just rolled his eyes because this was around the time of the "little Econ river" fiasco and the divers who found "bones" wasn't it? Nick Savage probably learned a valuable lesson from that and took this report of ole padilla's with a huge box of Mortons. imo.

I bet many in LE were absolutely shocked and astonished when little Caylee turned up so close to the house. I think they were concentrating so hard on those cell pings around the airport......

I agree with you Tam, this entire family has no concept of what is right and moral under these circumstances, imo.

It's crazy Reggie. For anyone w/morals and ethic, it is easy to just be disgusted by what goes on around us. Not everyone is like us. Sad but true.

[Barbara fl.]

Er, 2007, sorry. :laugh:


Then that would be my guess also......It's amazing the length Casey went to just not to get a job........A simple job would have cured all her problems....

[Mairi II]

I keep thinking about that One Tree Hill episode. In the episode, the nanny plans to colour the kidnapped child's hair. Wouldn't it be crazy if Casey dyed Caylee's hair right before she killed her? Kinda out there, but so is Casey. Just a wild thought.

I actually thought about the possibility of Casey coloring her hair as well. Only because they kept on referring to the hair found with the remains as being "light"-colored. I've always considered Caylee's hair dark.

[AJandTam]

Actually Nancy asked him about that and he said that he told Nick Savage about it and he never got back to him.... something to that effect, IIRC.

I can see that being true. However, I have so many issues w/LP. He and I do not think alike. I don't get him.

[jammies]

That was the MAIN reason they all did get involved....IF LP did hear of a tape, he would have been the very first to say it when it happened while he was on the NG show.....he seems to be a regular now.....I do not believe a word of it.....The mere fact that it came from LP's mouth is enough to tell me it's a lie....

I think that is why he was first drawn to Casey.....mirror image....


When any new info comes out LP always acts like he knew it long before. Ever notice that?

[NYGalPal]

Then that would be my guess also......It's amazing the length Casey went to just not to get a job........A simple job would have cured all her problems....

True, but not all sure a job would have cured her of all her problems. She would have used the extra money to party even more.

[JHP]

What????? I never heard that. If it's true, even more incriminating evidence against Casey. Another sign of premeditation if that baby's hair was coloured.

I think she did, I could be wrong but I was thinking it was a bizzare statement from Cindy. Although what isn't?

IMO

[SandyO]

Then that would be my guess also......It's amazing the length Casey went to just not to get a job........A simple job would have cured all her problems....

And, geez, just actually HAVING a job would have been so much easier than maintaining the fantasy world she had created!

[AJandTam]

Yes....As one would say "it's going to hit the fan".....

Morning Barb. I agree, I think we are seeing the fan blades start to turn. It's just a matter of time, and who gives in first. The LE is closing in on them now.

[Barbara fl.]

When any new info comes out LP always acts like he knew it long before. Ever notice that?


Yes...I believe he thinks that he is the lead investigator in this case....He will probably come out with a movie showing himself as just that.....

I wonder if he notices that he is alot like Casey....

Le needs to send him on his way....A polygraph (that he claims he is willing to take) will do just that....IMO

[destiny1]

Hiya Mac, I'm liking your theory here, but let's remember ole Padilla also tried to throw Roy Kronk under the bus by suggesting he was tipped off by someone in the anthony camp and that is how he actually found the remains. I don't believe that one.

But, I do agree that the information of exactly where to look came from casey anthony. :seeya:


Has anyone ever thought about the timing of Kronk finding the remains? We were discussing this at home last night, and it was brought up that right before Christmas and Hanukah was a good time to get public pity. Just more so-called damage control on the part of the Anthonys. They knew the truth early on and they knew that this had to come to a head, and they knew that they were in very deep water.

[Barbara fl.]

True, but not all sure a job would have cured her of all her problems. She would have used the extra money to party even more.


I guess you have a point...she is a piece of work....

[JHP]

When any new info comes out LP always acts like he knew it long before. Ever notice that?

My daughter has a friend just like that. The friend is 12.

[AJandTam]

Tam

ITA

The problem is that if we do find out that Lee took a trip to .....wherever.....he can always say he was following up on tips. No way to prove otherwise. He can even say.." I needed a new Blackberry, TV, DVD, Car, etc......I needed to keep an eye on all the media shows, in order to pick up on tips to find Caylee"

It's a win-win for him.........and the Grandparents......as long as they buy a few T-shirts with the baby's pic on it. They have an open check book....no limit, as long as the donations keep coming in.

On a side not.....I sent an E-mail to The Anthony's PR person....it was the lady at the time.....And I offered to give 5,000 dollars, providing she could tell me how it was going to be spent. I never got a reply. What does that tell you? It tells me that the monies were coming in at a pretty good pace, and that my 5k was a drop in the bucket to them, why would they bother having to explain something to me!!! They got all the cash they need. Remember the Ritz carlton @ $400 a night....and the $100 dollar a plate dinner when they got back from California. And we thought they were broke and their credit was ruined!!!................guess not.:rolleyes:


I fear fraud/Scam. Whether true or not. Only time will tell. If true. Prosecute. That is my opinion. And w/that I have to go. Real life is calling AGAIN!

Thanks for the conversations all. I hope for news today!

[funkyflower]

ANY hope I had left of this actually becoming about CAYLEE is lost and I didnt think it could be more disgusting.

These people waste precious time trying to interupt an ACTIVE crime scene twice! Now they how that baby's bones laying there. For WHAT!

She was tossed out in the freaking woods like trash.
She was left there to rot and be dragged about by animals.
Now she's being left alone AGAIN!:crying:

And not one single person has a funeral date for her?!!!:cursing:

But we NOW have the CASEY tipline?:cursing:

Where is the sanity, compassion, pain and mourning? Where is the RESPECT!

[Regina.Lampert]

I have been saying exactly the same as you are saying right now. To get immunity for testimoney. You have to KNOW something to begin w/. Not suspect or think it.. Normally I don't have alot to say about money/donations. It is standard in these type of situations. However, IF someone collected money under false pretenses, knowing that the baby was already gone. Which I believe they did. Then that is more than I can swallow. A little girls life is worth every dime any of us have. And so many people help out in times like these. It's not fair to this child or any other for someone to exploit kind hearts.


LOL, otherwise known as "testilying." :tonguewag:

I agree Tam, the financial angle shoud be given an exhaustive review, I believe FLA new's Rozzi Franco is doing just that.

[destiny1]

I think she did, I could be wrong but I was thinking it was a bizzare statement from Cindy. Although what isn't?

IMO

at one point, on this board, there was a discussion as to whether caylees hair was light or dark, and it bas based on photos. I think those discussions were sometime the week before Christmas.

[NYGalPal]

I guess you have a point...she is a piece of work....
Morning Barbara,

Can she get any worse? I think she can. She's probably coming up with more lies as we type. :sneaky:

[VII]

I can see that being true. However, I have so many issues w/LP. He and I do not think alike. I don't get him.


Mornin' AJandTam :cool:
while watching that clip of HIM on NG last night, he reminded me of a big ugly frog in a fairy tale that I can't recall the name of. :lol:
Time to get ready for WORK!!

[spageddy]

Then that would be my guess also......It's amazing the length Casey went to just not to get a job........A simple job would have cured all her problems....

You are so right. But I don't think Casey knows how to take the direct route to any solution. She's programmed to lie & cover up. Everything in her world is a fanasy of her own creation: the Nanny, Her personality, even her baseball team! (That Yankees cap still cracks me up :)And besides, if she got a job, she might have to answer a direct question, or have someone else telling her what to do. In Casey's world, only Casey writes the scripts, directs, produces and edits. IMO

[NYGalPal]

ANY hope I had left of this actually becoming about CAYLEE is lost and I didnt think it could be more disgusting.

These people waste precious time trying to interupt an ACTIVE crime scene twice! Now they how that baby's bones laying there. For WHAT!

She was tossed out in the freaking woods like trash.
She was left there to rot and be dragged about by animals.
Now she's being left alone AGAIN!:crying:

And not one single person has a funeral date for her?!!!:cursing:

But we NOW have the CASEY tipline?

Where is the sanity, compassion, pain and mourning? Where is the RESPECT!

Thank you. I think a lot of us feel the same way.

Cus'n right along with you. :cursing:

[JHP]

at one point, on this board, there was a discussion as to whether caylees hair was light or dark, and it bas based on photos. I think those discussions were sometime the week before Christmas.

IIRC this was more of early fall. Around the time Cynthia was crying on some show about oh they've taken her to the mountains. N.C. I think.

[Barbara fl.]

Does anyone know if the hearing this morning going to be broadcasted?

My bet is the motion will be denied. JMO

[Neffy]

I think she did, I could be wrong but I was thinking it was a bizzare statement from Cindy. Although what isn't?

IMO

When the remains were found it was announced the strands of hair were consistent with Caylees.

Not bizarre really. That's a trick "real" kidnappers use to conceal a childs identity in the movies.

I wouldn't doubt it to happen in a real life crime. I just don't know of any I could post.

[Barbara fl.]

You are so right. But I don't think Casey knows how to take the direct route to any solution. She's programmed to lie & cover up. Everything in her world is a fanasy of her own creation: the Nanny, Her personality, even her baseball team! (That Yankees cap still cracks me up :)And besides, if she got a job, she might have to answer a direct question, or have someone else telling her what to do. In Casey's world, only Casey writes the scripts, directs, produces and edits. IMO




YOU are SOOOOOOOOOOOOOO right........

[jammies]

My daughter has a friend just like that. The friend is 12.


Know-it-alls. I was actually shocked a few days ago when I heard LP say "I don't know" about something he was asked. He most always has an answer for EVERYTHING.

[NYGalPal]

Does anyone know if the hearing this morning going to be broadcasted?

My bet is the motion will be denied. JMO

Sorry, I don't know. Have no heard anything on the news about it.

[SandyO]

When the remains were found it was announced the strands of hair were consistent with Caylees.

Not bizarre really. That's a trick "real" kidnappers use to conceal a childs identity in the movies.

I wouldn't doubt it to happen in a real life crime. I just don't know of any I could post.

The way I took it, Caylee's hair was 'light' as opposed to what one might see in Hispanic or African-American hair (almost black). In any case, if Caylee's hair was dyed, that will be known from forensic testing.

[Katt2]

Who are our resident attorneys? Fact? I've got a fact for you that is lost on you. It doesn't take that long to do a second autopsy. :rolleyes:

Good morning. The actual autopsy won't take that long but I think Baez and company are calling the shots on this and they are going to do it their way, right or wrong. I really think he is waiting for the actual exrays and photos for comparison in the hopes they will find something they can contradict. We don't want anything further down the line that the defense can holler that they were rushed examining evidence, at the trial.

[breezie]

Excellent points. I always had my suspicions. I always believed Casey confessed to Lee. We'll see.

As for Lenny, if he's telling the truth then he's just as involved, isn't he? If he knew about this tape back in August, why didn't he tell the FBI then. I couldn't make heads or tails of what he was talking about. He confuses dates and it's very difficult to follow. I'm not sure if it's because he's hiding some of the stuff he knows, protecting himself from possible charges or what?


how can he tell the feds in August about a tape shot in November? He called Savage with FBI when he heard about it. what more do you want from him? (not that I'm a Lenny fan, but it sounds like he did the right thing this time).

[Regina.Lampert]

Has anyone ever thought about the timing of Kronk finding the remains? We were discussing this at home last night, and it was brought up that right before Christmas and Hanukah was a good time to get public pity. Just more so-called damage control on the part of the Anthonys. They knew the truth early on and they knew that this had to come to a head, and they knew that they were in very deep water.

I remember that our poster litty bitty (may she RIP in nic heaven) posted on 12/9 or 12/10, that a "little birdy" told her something huge was going to break in the next few days.

Then, around the same days, ole padilla said on NG that he would not be suprised of LE already had the remains.

Alert posters here will remember both these incidents, imo.

Add in what we have learned recently and it sure appears that some were aware of the possibility that Caylee was in those woods. imo.

[Daffodil]

Has anyone ever thought about the timing of Kronk finding the remains? We were discussing this at home last night, and it was brought up that right before Christmas and Hanukah was a good time to get public pity. Just more so-called damage control on the part of the Anthonys. They knew the truth early on and they knew that this had to come to a head, and they knew that they were in very deep water.

I still think it is a coincidence that the A's were on a plane, far, far away from cameras when the remains were found. I think someone planned it that way. Could have been the A's or could have been LE?

I would also like to know how and where Casey learned to forge checks and steal from people. She had to learn it somewhere.

[bchand]

Does anyone know if the hearing this morning going to be broadcasted?

My bet is the motion will be denied. JMO

Doesn't seem like it will be covered live Barb

Hearing Being Held In Civil Case Against Casey

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 8:35 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled at 9:00am Tuesday to determine if a civil judge will delay Casey's deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her until after her criminal trial.

Casey Anthony's defense team wants to avoid having her testify in a civil trial that could be used against her in a criminal trial.

Attorney John Morgan is representing a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who says Casey has ruined her name and her life after she claimed a woman by the same name had her daughter Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

[NYGalPal]

Good morning. The actual autopsy won't take that long but I think Baez and company are calling the shots on this and they are going to do it their way, right or wrong. I really think he is waiting for the actual exrays and photos for comparison in the hopes they will find something they can contradict. We don't want anything further down the line that the defense can holler that they were rushed examining evidence, at the trial.

Understand what you are saying. He's had ample time to do all this. I heard it won't be till the end of the month. Delay, delay, delay..no respect for Caylee.

[nothingnew]

Excellent points. I always had my suspicions. I always believed Casey confessed to Lee. We'll see.

As for Lenny, if he's telling the truth then he's just as involved, isn't he? If he knew about this tape back in August, why didn't he tell the FBI then. I couldn't make heads or tails of what he was talking about. He confuses dates and it's very difficult to follow. I'm not sure if it's because he's hiding some of the stuff he knows, protecting himself from possible charges or what?

Did I miss where Lenny changed it from November to AUGUST? I know he said he first made the aquaintance of Hoover in August and then MONTHS later in November he was told/saw tape. I never heard anything about there being a tape made in August for Lenny to know about in the first place. FGS, he just MET Hoover in August-I don't think Hoover would be so upfront after knowing the guy only a day or two. Maybe I missed something here? (I think I understand Lenny when I am watching him but when I come here it seems others heard things differently).:shrug:

[JHP]

When the remains were found it was announced the strands of hair were consistent with Caylees.

Not bizarre really. That's a trick "real" kidnappers use to conceal a childs identity in the movies.

I wouldn't doubt it to happen in a real life crime. I just don't know of any I could post.

No, what I remember thinking was bizzare was the way Cindy stated it. It was out of the blue.

But I don't remember when or where just that the way it was said was odd. Although IMO what isn't in the Anthony saga?

[PuffDragon]

<snipped>
Apparently Dominic Casey worked for Baez until he was let go October 1st, and then he approached the Anthonys to work for them. Hoover, the supposed photographer, was really nothing more than a 'hanger on', a fellow who approached the Anthonys and agreed to assist with security for them at no charge. He inserted himself into this whole thing with no invitation, I understand, and did not work with or for D. Casey. I think what we have here is another guy looking for some free advertizing/publicity.

I just don't understand these peripheral people who don't need to work for money. Here's Hoover, offering up his services for all this time. Doesn't he have to eat, pay for housing, gas for his car...? And D. Casey, he's 'working' for the Anthonys, although they can't possibly afford to pay him, after leaving Casey's side, and how could Casey have paid him either. Are all these people independently wealthy???? Okay, I can see the bigshot attorneys and scientists, they have other sources of income, but these guys??? They sure don't look like they're any wealthier than the rest of us? How about Lenny? What is he doing except for appearing on Nancy Grace?
I just can't figure it out.

[Neffy]

The way I took it, Caylee's hair was 'light' as opposed to what one might see in Hispanic or African-American hair (almost black). In any case, if Caylee's hair was dyed, that will be known from forensic testing.

See I didn't take it like that at all. As far as light I didnt put to much into it. I know alot of posters made mention that her hair is brown not light. It all depends in the description that a person deemed it to be who relayed this.

I'd noticed the last known pic of Caylee she had a pony. I didn't see her hair in the back. I have the same color hair and wear a pony. I also have a pool. In the summer that pony turns light, almost blonde
and I don't dye it at all.

So I didn't give to much thought to what they relayed from brown/light brown to just the description light.

I could be wrong but that was my thought process.

[msgatorslayer]

Then that would be my guess also......It's amazing the length Casey went to just not to get a job........A simple job would have cured all her problems....

Definately!! Close to 3 years of coming up with stories to make it seem like she was working would have been stressful for someone besides Casey. But she had no problem lying about it all those years.

She also used this site for her 'event planning' it was in a doc dump. IMO, if Mommy or Daddy popped in her room, she'd have this page up acting like she was 'working'.

http://www.uomeetingsandevents.com/Home_Flash.asp

[funkyflower]

Definately!! Close to 3 years of coming up with stories to make it seem like she was working would have been stressful for someone besides Casey. But she had no problem lying about it all those years.

She also used this site for her 'event planning' it was in a doc dump. IMO, if Mommy or Daddy popped in her room, she'd have this page up acting like she was 'working'.

http://www.uomeetingsandevents.com/Home_Flash.asp
Its as strange as Neil Entwistle, both baby killers and sociopaths IMO

[JHP]

Does the hair found in the trunk match the hair found at the recovery site?

Wasn't that what either Baez or Baden said?

[Barbara fl.]

how can he tell the feds in August about a tape shot in November? He called Savage with FBI when he heard about it. what more do you want from him? (not that I'm a Lenny fan, but it sounds like he did the right thing this time).



IF and I mean IF, he had any inclination back then...I can almost guarantee that it would have been all over the NG show....Seeing as Lenny wanted to be the one to find Caylee's remains (his sole purpose of sticking around) he's now bent on bringing down the person who did find them.....He has stated numerous times that there is a connection between Casey and the Meter reader.....I think it is absurd...JMO


So I do not believe anything this man has to say....

[SandyO]

I just don't understand these peripheral people who don't need to work for money. Here's Hoover, offering up his services for all this time. Doesn't he have to eat, pay for housing, gas for his car...? And D. Casey, he's 'working' for the Anthonys, although they can't possibly afford to pay him, after leaving Casey's side, and how could Casey have paid him either. Are all these people independently wealthy???? Okay, I can see the bigshot attorneys and scientists, they have other sources of income, but these guys??? They sure don't look like they're any wealthier than the rest of us? How about Lenny? What is he doing except for appearing on Nancy Grace?
I just can't figure it out.

Most of these little PIs are flat broke, looking for something to do. They may have sporadic jobs, like following cheating spouses or attempting to locate missing persons, but most have a lot of free time on their hands in this economy. It really doesn't surprise me that some would like to attach themselves to this case and "get their name out there".

[Barbara fl.]

Definately!! Close to 3 years of coming up with stories to make it seem like she was working would have been stressful for someone besides Casey. But she had no problem lying about it all those years.

She also used this site for her 'event planning' it was in a doc dump. IMO, if Mommy or Daddy popped in her room, she'd have this page up acting like she was 'working'.

http://www.uomeetingsandevents.com/Home_Flash.asp



I pulled it up....wow, she really went to great lengths...this is insane....

[JHP]

Its as strange as Neil Entwistle, both baby killers and sociopaths IMO

And both have Mommies who at least publicly think they can do no wrong.

JMO

[Daffodil]

Anopther coincidence is the fact that the DP came off the table before the body was found. I said this before, and I'll say it again: I can't imagine the prosecution taking DP off the table without a reason to do so. Maybe one of the A's did already make a deal with LE and are turning on the remaining A's.

[destiny1]

I remember that our poster litty bitty (may she RIP in nic heaven) posted on 12/9 or 12/10, that a "little birdy" told her something huge was going to break in the next few days.

Then, around the same days, ole padilla said on NG that he would not be suprised of LE already had the remains.

Alert posters here will remember both these incidents, imo.

Add in what we have learned recently and it sure appears that some were aware of the possibility that Caylee was in those woods. imo.

I am beginning to believe also, that Lenny got in up to his shrimp boots and then decided to get out and do the media circuit, but that he couldn't keep himself looking clean. I am looking forward to his damage control methods as well. He does a semi decent job covering by misstating dates and claiming to have mixed them up, or to have not quite got the questions put to him.

From here on, for every person who got involved, it is about damage control, and it should be about justice for Caylee Anthony.

[Barbara fl.]

Doesn't seem like it will be covered live Barb

Hearing Being Held In Civil Case Against Casey

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 8:35 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled at 9:00am Tuesday to determine if a civil judge will delay Casey's deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her until after her criminal trial.

Casey Anthony's defense team wants to avoid having her testify in a civil trial that could be used against her in a criminal trial.

Attorney John Morgan is representing a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who says Casey has ruined her name and her life after she claimed a woman by the same name had her daughter Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html


Thanks for the info.....I'm willing to bet that the court is going to deny it....just for the h*** of it....

[Kathlb]

I get more confused every day with this group of clowns. However, having said that, I have a nagging at the back of my mind lately with all of this PI stuff coming out.

Like someone said earlier, LP wouldn't go on Natl. tv and outright lie, it's not in his best interest to. So...let's assume that the two PI's were there filming when they said they were and the one was on the phone getting directions from someone. Here's a small scenario that I have had running in my mind.

I personally think that CA and LA have known what happened from day 1. I think GA was in the dark at first until probably Lee convinced Cindy that they needed to let him in on the info. Remember long ago when the news reported that GA left the house on foot and was "very upset" and began walking down the sidewalk toward the direction where Caylee was found? Then Lee came out and jumped in the vehicle and picked him up and took off for awhile with him? I think that's the night that GA was told. I also think one or both of the PI's knew and were checking on the body to see if it had moved and had become visible after the flooding upon direction from "someone". The filming was probably for Baez to show Casey the area and what it looked like then.

I think that more than a defense lawyer, Baez is in collusion with Casey. All of the actions point to it. Even going back to when he petitioned the judge to let her out to go with him alone and "look" for Caylee. That was probably to change her location or check on her to see if she was visible after flooding. "Somehow" also there is a connection with the meter reader. He has a friend at the jail and it's too coincidental that he called the first three times, then came back much later and "found her" and called again. Doesn't make much sense. He's already lied about going in the woods to relieve himself and accidentally stumbling on it. I think everyone's lawyered up now because they all had a part in what happened. Not in the killing of little Caylee, but in the coverup. I'm even wondering if CA knew immediately or if it even happened in the house with her when Casey went into a rage. There's that huge fight that got physical remember. Much more could be coming out about CA and LA's involvement. Hence the criminal lawyers and asking for complete immunity. Just some rambling thoughts here but there are too many coincidences to suit me. JMHO

[Carol25]

Ya know, I think this hearing this morning is important. It will mean that the Anthony's cannot go on leading people around on the invisible nanny using Zenaida's name in court during the trial. It will contunue to malign her name.

[Neffy]

Does the hair found in the trunk match the hair found at the recovery site?

This came to mind as soon as they mentioned finding the hair at the remains site.

I've never heard any type of connection being made, not to say it didn't happen and perhaps they didn't released it or I missed it.

[SandyO]

See I didn't take it like that at all. As far as light I didnt put to much into it. I know alot of posters made mention that her hair is brown not light. It all depends in the description that a person deemed it to be who relayed this.

I'd noticed the last known pic of Caylee she had a pony. I didn't see her hair in the back. I have the same color hair and wear a pony. I also have a pool. In the summer that pony turns light, almost blonde
and I don't dye it at all.

So I didn't give to much thought to what they relayed from brown/light brown to just the description light.

I could be wrong but that was my thought process.

No, I think you're right. The thing is, it doesn't matter. We know the skeletalized remains were those of Caylee.

[SandyO]

Coldwater really isn't kidding, folks. I got put in the corner for 24 hours for going slightly off topic a few weeks back. YIKES! Am I off topic right now????!!!!!

[Barbara fl.]

Anopther coincidence is the fact that the DP came off the table before the body was found. I said this before, and I'll say it again: I can't imagine the prosecution taking DP off the table without a reason to do so. Maybe one of the A's did already make a deal with LE and are turning on the remaining A's.


I believe the reason it was taken off the table from the onset is that they didn't have a body and thought that it would be too hard to find a jury suitable for the DP unless they can prove Caylee was in fact deceased.....

As for now, I believe that it could be put back on the table if they can prove that Caylee died a horrific death (which is what is needed for the DP in Florida)....so until or if they can conclude that I believe that the DP will not be put back on the table....

Life w/o the possiblility of parole is fine for me....someone like her doesn't like being tied down....let her stay right where she is....JMO

[I'mRight]

I keep thinking about the possiblity of Caylee's hair being dyed. Do you guys think that would be a huge break in the case if it were true? One Tree Hill episode, nanny kidnaps child, attempts to dye child's hair......Anthony computer search for One Tree Hill episode 100...

IMO this rules out any chance that this was an accident.

[Daffodil]

If you think I've been kidding about banning for off topic - grab your hat as you leave.

Absolutely no more warnings.

I am so definitely in the dark here. What is the warning about? Not being rude but have no idea.

[Barbara fl.]

Coldwater really isn't kidding, folks. I got put in the corner for 24 hours for going slightly off topic a few weeks back. YIKES! Am I off topic right now????!!!!!



Well if we don't hear from you for 24 hrs...we'll know :huh:

[SavannahStar]

I believe the reason it was taken off the table from the onset is that they didn't have a body and thought that it would be too hard to find a jury suitable for the DP unless they can prove Caylee was in fact deceased.....

As for now, I believe that it could be put back on the table if they can prove that Caylee died a horrific death (which is what is needed for the DP in Florida)....so until or if they can conclude that I believe that the DP will not be put back on the table....

Life w/o the possiblility of parole is fine for me....someone like her doesn't like being tied down....let her stay right where she is....JMO


I am agreeing with a great many of your posts this morning, barbara. Especially about Padilla. :thumbsup:

[NYGalPal]

Doesn't seem like it will be covered live Barb

Hearing Being Held In Civil Case Against Casey

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 8:35 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled at 9:00am Tuesday to determine if a civil judge will delay Casey's deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her until after her criminal trial.

Casey Anthony's defense team wants to avoid having her testify in a civil trial that could be used against her in a criminal trial.

Attorney John Morgan is representing a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who says Casey has ruined her name and her life after she claimed a woman by the same name had her daughter Caylee.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Thanks for the info. Does anyone know if the As will attend this hearing?

[MalloryCat]

I keep thinking about the possiblity of Caylee's hair being dyed. Do you guys think that would be a huge break in the case if it were true? One Tree Hill episode, nanny kidnaps child, attempts to dye child's hair......Anthony computer search for One Tree Hill episode 100...

IMO this rules out any chance that this was an accident.

Why does the one tree hill episode have to be a major part in this? ITs not like she looked up a random episode, it was a 100th episode, in TV world thats a big deal, maybe she missed it, I know I check recaps of shows I have missed online.

[Neffy]

No, what I remember thinking was bizzare was the way Cindy stated it. It was out of the blue.

But I don't remember when or where just that the way it was said was odd. Although IMO what isn't in the Anthony saga?

I thought many of her comments seemed out of the blue.

Whether it be taken up to the mountains comment or dyed hair. I think Cindy was comparing it to either movie or real life kidnappings.

She compared it to Elizabeth Smart to hence Caylee's still alive.

She was obstinant that this was a KIDNAPPING first and foremost. To the best of my knowledge she is still of that camp.

[destiny1]

Thanks for the info. Does anyone know if the As will attend this hearing?

I notice that we haven't heard very much from the anthonys since Caylees body was found. I would like to know though, can they be subpoenaed in a civil trial like this? Remember. their depositions regarding Ms Gonzales were cancelled.

[WillowInFlight]

I keep thinking about the possiblity of Caylee's hair being dyed. Do you guys think that would be a huge break in the case if it were true? One Tree Hill episode, nanny kidnaps child, attempts to dye child's hair......Anthony computer search for One Tree Hill episode 100...

IMO this rules out any chance that this was an accident.

When would she have a chance to dye it?

[NYGalPal]

People do it for more reasons than fame and money. I do not understand it myself, but when my daughter died people my family had never even met before came out with some crazy stories. Luckily they were easily disproved, but it was nevertheless extremely hurtful. Sometimes it is mental illness, pure evil, or just stupidity too.

I don't believe this meter reader had any ulterior motives, his actions appear to say he didnt even want to be involved. That he probably wishes he had NOT found her remains!


Sorry that happened to you.

I agree with you about the meter reader. Poor guy is having his whole life turned upside down and scrutinized.

[bchand]

I notice that we haven't heard very much from the anthonys since Caylees body was found. I would like to know though, can they be subpoenaed in a civil trial like this? Remember. their depositions regarding Ms Gonzales were cancelled.

Yes, they both were scheduled to be deposed on Dec 22nd IIRC. Their attorney asked for, and got a delay due to the body being found.

It will be rescheduled.

[WillowInFlight]

Hi, I say this every darn day with this guy. He double talks and seems to go from one subject to the other, like an he has some kind of Attentiion Deficit Disorder or something. Every notice how Nancy has to reel him in every time he opens his mouth, or stop him in his tracks and put him back on the subject?

Also, it is my gut instinct that the version he is telling today is alot different than what went down (regarding this tape and these two P.I.'s if you wanna call them that.) I am strongly leaning toward Padilla somehow got tipped off about that body being where it was whether it was from the two P.I.'s or from the Anthony's when he was staying at their house with his nephew, and simply kept it to himself, waited so that he could be the one to drop the bombshell on the Nancy Grace show and be the "hero of the day". Imagine the money he would make and what it would have done for his business if that would have happened! If anyone has any recollection (as I do) I remember him distinctly saying "and don't be surprised if they (the defendants) have the body or know where it is" on Nancy's show a few days BEFORE the meter reader happened to innocently trip over this bag :rolleyes: but that's another story.
I just don't buy that Lenny knew for 5 months where the body was. After all he was the one that wanted to find Caylee, if he knew he would have been singing a long time ago.

[Barbara fl.]

I keep thinking about the possiblity of Caylee's hair being dyed. Do you guys think that would be a huge break in the case if it were true? One Tree Hill episode, nanny kidnaps child, attempts to dye child's hair......Anthony computer search for One Tree Hill episode 100...

IMO this rules out any chance that this was an accident.


also Casey did mention that Caylee's hair might be dyed...so she wanted people to look for her eyes....Casey had this whole thing planned....which is so horrific to say the least...how can any human being possible plan the demise of their child......All mothers usually worry about something happening to their child...I can not even imagine anyone doing what she has done....

[MalloryCat]

Hi, I say this every darn day with this guy. He double talks and seems to go from one subject to the other, like an he has some kind of Attentiion Deficit Disorder or something. Every notice how Nancy has to reel him in every time he opens his mouth, or stop him in his tracks and put him back on the subject?

Also, it is my gut instinct that the version he is telling today is alot different than what went down (regarding this tape and these two P.I.'s if you wanna call them that.) I am strongly leaning toward Padilla somehow got tipped off about that body being where it was whether it was from the two P.I.'s or from the Anthony's when he was staying at their house with his nephew, and simply kept it to himself, waited so that he could be the one to drop the bombshell on the Nancy Grace show and be the "hero of the day". Imagine the money he would make and what it would have done for his business if that would have happened! If anyone has any recollection (as I do) I remember him distinctly saying "and don't be surprised if they (the defendants) have the body or know where it is" on Nancy's show a few days BEFORE the meter reader happened to innocently trip over this bag :rolleyes: but that's another story.

I agree with a majority of this post, but why would Lenny, who wanted to be the one to find Caylee, scouring the Econ barf and making comments to Tim Miller about what a great pic it would be with one of them holding Caylees skull barf why would he just sit on his thumbs and shrug it off. He is a total liar, they say liars eyes dart of to the left, well, thats all his eyes do, you can literally see the wheels spinning and him make up a huge lie.

jmo

[destiny1]

When would she have a chance to dye it?
dyeing doesn't take very long. She could also have acquaintances who are smart enough to keep their mouths shut. A place with hot water is all she needed.

[Pooh]

Hi, I say this every darn day with this guy. He double talks and seems to go from one subject to the other, like an he has some kind of Attentiion Deficit Disorder or something. Every notice how Nancy has to reel him in every time he opens his mouth, or stop him in his tracks and put him back on the subject?

Also, it is my gut instinct that the version he is telling today is alot different than what went down (regarding this tape and these two P.I.'s if you wanna call them that.) I am strongly leaning toward Padilla somehow got tipped off about that body being where it was whether it was from the two P.I.'s or from the Anthony's when he was staying at their house with his nephew, and simply kept it to himself, waited so that he could be the one to drop the bombshell on the Nancy Grace show and be the "hero of the day". Imagine the money he would make and what it would have done for his business if that would have happened! If anyone has any recollection (as I do) I remember him distinctly saying "and don't be surprised if they (the defendants) have the body or know where it is" on Nancy's show a few days BEFORE the meter reader happened to innocently trip over this bag :rolleyes: but that's another story.

Good morning! Hey - does anyone remember when our posters went down to Orlando for the first search in November, that Tim Miller wanted to take a couple of them and go search the woods behind the Anthony house? And that it was on the down-low? I can't remember if they actually did go but seems to me I remember jbellaj telling us something about that in the days after they got back from the search weekend.

[Barbara fl.]

No, I think he is so intentionally ambiguous that he can throw out, "what-ifs" then claim credit for them if they come to fruition. He has had a good time getting lucky from all of these bits of truth and I am so personally tired of him.:rolleyes:


That is LP to a tee....

[WillowInFlight]

dyeing doesn't take very long. She could also have acquaintances who are smart enough to keep their mouths shut. A place with hot water is all she needed.

That may be, but on the Fathers Day tape, her hair didn't look dyed, and we are all assuming that Caylee was killed very soon after that.

[WillowInFlight]

Something not right. As Dr. Lee would say. Leonard knows things before they happen. Either he is psychic or . . .

I will never believe that he knew that body was out there for 5 months and just let her rot.

[Katt2]

Something not right. As Dr. Lee would say. Leonard knows things before they happen. Either he is psychic or . . .

IMO Lenny will do anything or say anything that keeps him on TV and in the spotlight!

[destiny1]

That is LP to a tee....


I believe that LE FBI and the public are all scrutinizing LP and everyone else who got involved, and that eventually there could be more obstruction charges. This is just my take on this. I believe that LE in general is fed up with all of the double talk, ambiguities, and just plain old lies.:cursing:

[bballgrl]

dyeing doesn't take very long. She could also have acquaintances who are smart enough to keep their mouths shut. A place with hot water is all she needed.

Right, but I am pretty sure that when the remains were found they said that the color of the hair was consistent with Caylees.... wouldn't that rule out the fact that she may have dyed her hair? :shrug:

[I'mRight]

also Casey did mention that Caylee's hair might be dyed...so she wanted people to look for her eyes....Casey had this whole thing planned....which is so horrific to say the least...how can any human being possible plan the demise of their child......All mothers usually worry about something happening to their child...I can not even imagine anyone doing what she has done....

Oh my. I did not know that bit about the eyes. I agree with you - completely planned. I think the One Tree Hill thing is huge. Casey is a complete nut.

[Lavenia]

I wouldn't doubt that one or both PIs took their video cameras and scanned around in the nearby area, and in other places as well. They have to do SOMETHING to justify their hourly fees, but I don't believe they knew anything at all about Caylee's remains being nearby.

I tend to agree with your viewpoint Sandy. I would think if they (PI's) DID know of Caylee's remains being there, they wouldn't have recorded it for just anyone to get their hands on it. It's not exactly exculpatory evidence it seems.

[grammie/va]

I remember that our poster litty bitty (may she RIP in nic heaven) posted on 12/9 or 12/10, that a "little birdy" told her something huge was going to break in the next few days.

Then, around the same days, ole padilla said on NG that he would not be suprised of LE already had the remains.

Alert posters here will remember both these incidents, imo.

Add in what we have learned recently and it sure appears that some were aware of the possibility that Caylee was in those woods. imo.

ITA I'm glad you brought this up Regina because I have thought about it ever since lil Caylee was found. Little Bitty although put in banned camp seemed to know something and all of this is just to coincidental to me. Glad someone else remembers this poster.

[Barbara fl.]

That may be, but on the Fathers Day tape, her hair didn't look dyed, and we are all assuming that Caylee was killed very soon after that.


I doubt that her hair was dyed...I think Casey was just going to use that as a deterant. She figured no one would find Caylee, and she wanted to add some variety to the sightings.....I'm sure Baez was telling her about those 2 sightings they had...so she figured the more the merrier.....JMO

[destiny1]

That may be, but on the Fathers Day tape, her hair didn't look dyed, and we are all assuming that Caylee was killed very soon after that.


It could have been done postmortem. However I don't believe that. I'm just tossing possibilities right now. Not probabilities.

Besides, would not the hair in the trunk have shown signs of dye? another bit of evidence that LE may or may not have?

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. I hope I haven't missed too much. I watched Nancy last night and I didn't see anything too new.

LP said he did not "allegedly" see the video tape made by Hoover, he saw it.

I am anxious to find out what became of it and where it truly is.

[NYGalPal]

I will never believe that he knew that body was out there for 5 months and just let her rot.

I agree. Can't see that either.

[WillowInFlight]

I doubt that her hair was dyed...I think Casey was just going to use that as a deterant. She figured no one would find Caylee, and she wanted to add some variety to the sightings.....I'm sure Baez was telling her about those 2 sightings they had...so she figured the more the merrier.....JMO

And I thought it was Cindy that said we should be looking for a blond Caylee.

[Lavenia]

I will never believe that he knew that body was out there for 5 months and just let her rot.

<Happy dance, WIF is out on bail! :thumbsup:>

I don't think anyone but Casey let Caylee lay as she did all that time. I just can't believe differently.

[destiny1]

And I thought it was Cindy that said we should be looking for a blond Caylee.


that would tell me that she either talked to casey about this long before and it just came out, or she was fabricating based on something she had seen.

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA I'm glad you brought this up Regina because I have thought about it ever since lil Caylee was found. Little Bitty although put in banned camp seemed to know something and all of this is just to coincidental to me. Glad someone else remembers this poster.


Hiya Grammie, yes too much activity around those woods, by people connected to the anthony family, to not be relevant. I hope that LE can put pressure on both Hoover and Dom Casey, to cough up if any of the anthony's specifically directed them to this area. Wonder if either of them would object to taking a polygraph........ :wink:

[CANDYKISSES]

He is a total liar, they say liars eyes dart of to the left, well, thats all his eyes do, you can literally see the wheels spinning and him make up a huge lie.
SNIPPED for comment.

jmo

Yes, some do say that and I've seen Cindy doing that trick often, but Casey seems to look down while she's unloading a WHOPPER IMO. :thumbup:

[Jpanda]

Good morning,

Oh man, I am so confused about this video/no video thing...Does anybody mind if I try to recap what I think the scenario is? Please add, subtract, or make any corrections. This whole case is just so unbelievable, and I'm getting confused! Ok, here goes...

So Hoover and D. Casey both worked for the Anthony family....D Casey used to work for Baez until October, but then went to work directly for the Anthonys. After Caylee's remains were found, one of them (don't remember which one) came out to the media, saying that they had a video of that area proving that the body was NOT there. Instead of people believing that and being shocked about the accusation that the body wasn't there, everyone instead wondered WHY the PIs had even been out there in the first place, and what led them there. Then it came out in the media that police wanted to question the PIs, and Baez filed a motion to have someone from his team present during the interview....Now the PIs are saying that the video was deleted.

Do I have all that right? I'm sorry but there have been so many different articles and stories, I just want to make sure I have at least the basics right.

If the scenario above IS pretty much correct, then I have to believe that yes, Casey is the one who gave the tip, in which case they knew where Caylee's body was....maybe they went out there and didn't find it then? Either way, I think Casey confessed. Why else would Baez file that motion? He knows what will come out in that interview. This is all just mind-blowing - strangest case I've even seen.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Most of these little PIs are flat broke, looking for something to do. They may have sporadic jobs, like following cheating spouses or attempting to locate missing persons, but most have a lot of free time on their hands in this economy. It really doesn't surprise me that some would like to attach themselves to this case and "get their name out there".


Yes, I agree with that...this case has certainly brought them out of the woodwork


Can you respond "SandyO" ....please....

[MalloryCat]

I remember that our poster litty bitty (may she RIP in nic heaven) posted on 12/9 or 12/10, that a "little birdy" told her something huge was going to break in the next few days.

Then, around the same days, ole padilla said on NG that he would not be suprised of LE already had the remains.

Alert posters here will remember both these incidents, imo.

Add in what we have learned recently and it sure appears that some were aware of the possibility that Caylee was in those woods. imo.


Ok, I almost think you are really onto something, but how does Kronk fit? And if they knew where she was days prior, why not find her, or is Kronk involved?

[Barbara fl.]

And I thought it was Cindy that said we should be looking for a blond Caylee.


But I believe it was Casey telling Cindy that on one of the jail house tapes.....

[Rayosunshine]

Leonard Padilla confuses the heck out of me. It's hard enough to believe anything he says but then when he says something...it doesn't make any sense.

WTH is he talking about? He says he saw the video after the remains were found but then says he talked to Hoover when he first bailed Casey out and Hoover told him about the video?

Can anyone make any sense out of what he's saying? :cursing:

PADILLA: I was introduced to Hoover back when we bailed out Casey in August. He mentioned to me that he had a film, that he had filmed when Dominic called him on the 15th. And I asked him, I says how can you have a film of the area? He says well, Dominic called me on the 15th. Told me Caylee had been found. Hoover told me that he asked him, is she alive? Says no she`s dead, but we`re going to go get her right now.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

Is Padilla on the witness list for the prosecution? I think he's pulling for that.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hiya Grammie, yes too much activity around those woods, by people connected to the anthony family, to not be relevant. I hope that LE can put pressure on both Hoover and Dom Casey, to cough up if any of the anthony's specifically directed them to this area. Wonder if either of them would object to taking a polygraph........ :wink:

Not seeing that one Regina, :sneaky:.

Not a chance IMO.

I wonder if it came indirectly through Baez himself, given he wanted a Special Master to oversee a hearing about anything gleaned from the defense during their employ.....:tongue:

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, some do say that and I've seen Cindy doing that trick often, but Casey seems to look down while she's unloading a WHOPPER IMO. :thumbup:

And Georges eyes were going in circles the night he was on LKL, that is the night that I knew in my gut that he knew the truth.

[bballgrl]

Hiya Grammie, yes too much activity around those woods, by people connected to the anthony family, to not be relevant. I hope that LE can put pressure on both Hoover and Dom Casey, to cough up if any of the anthony's specifically directed them to this area. Wonder if either of them would object to taking a polygraph........ :wink:


I hear they are both very depressed and on medication. It would be out of the question for them to take a Poly.... LOL :biggrin:

[Rayosunshine]

I must be a bit slow. How do you tape over something that doesn't exist in the first place?

It was invisible, like the nanny.

[kitty1182]

ITA I'm glad you brought this up Regina because I have thought about it ever since lil Caylee was found. Little Bitty although put in banned camp seemed to know something and all of this is just to coincidental to me. Glad someone else remembers this poster.

I remember her too...I wondered what had happen to her...

[CANDYKISSES]

that would tell me that she either talked to casey about this long before and it just came out, or she was fabricating based on something she had seen.

Aye, aye, aye, those two never cease to amaze me. They are alike alright. JMO.:thumbdown:

[Lilly12]

I have my own logical thought on the holdup. I think it could be possible that the defense is waiting on the exrays and photos to use as comparison to their own expert findings in the event they want to counter any points the prosecution experts have made.

I think it is to get the TV coverage in place. Maybe they are still negotiating how much $$$$$. Also, to let Casey view it via TV. That is my opinion, it about money. Again it is my opinion. I can see no other legitimate reason.

[Katt2]

Brattlings, MalloryCat, Katt2, etc. You may all be right, I'll give you that, but something ain't right with that guy and I felt that from the beginning when he stuck himself in the middle of the photograph posting her bond. When I look at him, I see a very greedy, shady, slithery character that seems like he would do or say anything for publicity and for a dollar. Yuck. I have to take a shower now, I'll see you guys later! :seeya:


I thought that was pretty much what I posted LOL.

[Shyone]

Gmorning everyone.. Wht time does the hearing take place this morning with Morgan. Also whats the odds of Casey being there? One last thing does anyone know if it will be on Tru ? Thanks

[Lavenia]

I remember that our poster litty bitty (may she RIP in nic heaven) posted on 12/9 or 12/10, that a "little birdy" told her something huge was going to break in the next few days.

Then, around the same days, ole padilla said on NG that he would not be suprised of LE already had the remains.

Alert posters here will remember both these incidents, imo.

Add in what we have learned recently and it sure appears that some were aware of the possibility that Caylee was in those woods. imo.

Reggie, wasn't what ittybitty was talking about was something about someone "knowingly" doing something or stating something incorrectly? The emphasis was on "knowingly". I really don't think she foresaw the finding of Caylee's remains. What I got out of what she was saying was a possible obstruction charge or something similar. Does that ring a bell with anyone?

[8BellesFan]

I remember her too...I wondered what had happen to her...


I did too. I got to that party a little late.

P.S. How's my girl?

[Barbara fl.]

Hi, I say this every darn day with this guy. He double talks and seems to go from one subject to the other, like an he has some kind of Attentiion Deficit Disorder or something. Every notice how Nancy has to reel him in every time he opens his mouth, or stop him in his tracks and put him back on the subject?

Also, it is my gut instinct that the version he is telling today is alot different than what went down (regarding this tape and these two P.I.'s if you wanna call them that.) I am strongly leaning toward Padilla somehow got tipped off about that body being where it was whether it was from the two P.I.'s or from the Anthony's when he was staying at their house with his nephew, and simply kept it to himself, waited so that he could be the one to drop the bombshell on the Nancy Grace show and be the "hero of the day". Imagine the money he would make and what it would have done for his business if that would have happened! If anyone has any recollection (as I do) I remember him distinctly saying "and don't be surprised if they (the defendants) have the body or know where it is" on Nancy's show a few days BEFORE the meter reader happened to innocently trip over this bag :rolleyes: but that's another story.


For the very reason you are saying...is the very reason that i'm sure LP knew nothing about anything.....IF he had the slightest inclination of where Caylee's body was he would have flew, hopped, skipped and jumped there immediately....he would not have wasted a fraction of a minute....he wanted to find that body so bad....and it is killing him that he didn't think to look there first....For him to try and implicate the poor MR, just shows how upset he really is at not being the one to find Caylee's remains.....JMO

[Destini]

Ok, I almost think you are really onto something, but how does Kronk fit? And if they knew where she was days prior, why not find her, or is Kronk involved?

I'm not Regina, but .... I don't think Kronk is involved other than perhaps somebody put a bug in his ear to go back to that area again.

[desmom]

And I thought it was Cindy that said we should be looking for a blond Caylee.


Morning Willow!

Or Cindy was reading the boards.

After the info came out about the OIA sighting, several posters asked why anyone would take Caylee out in public without cutting or dying her hair. I think Cindy picked up on it and threw it out in one of her blah, blah fests with the media.

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

And Georges eyes were going in circles the night he was on LKL, that is the night that I knew in my gut that he knew the truth.

I've always been stuck on LKL and the odd behavior, EVEN FOR THEM mind you. I can't get past thinking this was an orchestrated ending. :cool:

Not to say I would refuse evidence indicating so, it's just too many different things coming together at the same time IMO. :unsure:

[kitty1182]

I did too. I got to that party a little late.

P.S. How's my girl?



I wonder who she really was?:confused:



(so far, so good)

[destiny1]

Good morning,

Oh man, I am so confused about this video/no video thing...Does anybody mind if I try to recap what I think the scenario is? Please add, subtract, or make any corrections. This whole case is just so unbelievable, and I'm getting confused! Ok, here goes...

So Hoover and D. Casey both worked for the Anthony family....D Casey used to work for Baez until October, but then went to work directly for the Anthonys. After Caylee's remains were found, one of them (don't remember which one) came out to the media, saying that they had a video of that area proving that the body was NOT there. Instead of people believing that and being shocked about the accusation that the body wasn't there, everyone instead wondered WHY the PIs had even been out there in the first place, and what led them there. Then it came out in the media that police wanted to question the PIs, and Baez filed a motion to have someone from his team present during the interview....Now the PIs are saying that the video was deleted.

Do I have all that right? I'm sorry but there have been so many different articles and stories, I just want to make sure I have at least the basics right.

If the scenario above IS pretty much correct, then I have to believe that yes, Casey is the one who gave the tip, in which case they knew where Caylee's body was....maybe they went out there and didn't find it then? Either way, I think Casey confessed. Why else would Baez file that motion? He knows what will come out in that interview. This is all just mind-blowing - strangest case I've even seen.

JMO
I believe that Casey confessed, the PIs went to recover Caylees body but didn't find it at first. Maybe it was because of water. Levels can vary. Sometimes water doesn't fall or rise all at once. Maybe it was because of the vegetation that changes so fast during the summer-Fall months. at any rate. the PIs knew. Lenny knew.

Baez finds out but his former PIs no longer worked for him when the body was found later. His problem is that If the PIs tell the whole story of Caseys confession, his case is shot because now they have a body and a location that only she would know for sure(unless she had an accomplice).

[WillowInFlight]

for the very reason you are saying...is the very reason that i'm sure lp knew nothing about anything.....if he had the slightest inclination of where caylee's body was he would have flew, hopped, skipped and jumped there immediately....he would not have wasted a fraction of a minute....he wanted to find that body so bad....and it is killing him that he didn't think to look there first....for him to try and implicate the poor mr, just shows how upset he really is at not being the one to find caylee's remains.....jmo

ita.................

[bballgrl]

It's possible that lenny heard about the tape back in November, in some of the interviews he talks about 1 call from Hoover where they haven't been to the site yet. He also says that he told Hoover to call the FBI at least 3 times. Early in December he is running out of material for NG and drops the line "he would not be suprised if LE or FBI already had the remains". The MR finds Caylee and one of the his 1st comments is that he thinks the MR was tipped off by someone. The 200 G deal to come back in January to search Blanchard was mentioned by him around 11/17 and quickly disapeared, I wonder why.

JMO

Is it possible that the MR did have some information? I wonder if he knows either of the PI's or if he knows someone who knows one of them. The reason I ask is... maybe he overheard someone talking about what the PI's found at that location. His conscience got the better of him and he had to try to alert LE. They did NOT find her when they initially went in Aug, so he waited a while. When nobody discovered her months later he took another shot, this time checking first himself... then alerting LE when he could day exactly WHERE the body was?

I know it's a long shot, but.... well, ya never know... :wink:

[desmom]

Good morning,

Oh man, I am so confused about this video/no video thing...Does anybody mind if I try to recap what I think the scenario is? Please add, subtract, or make any corrections. This whole case is just so unbelievable, and I'm getting confused! Ok, here goes...

So Hoover and D. Casey both worked for the Anthony family....D Casey used to work for Baez until October, but then went to work directly for the Anthonys. After Caylee's remains were found, one of them (don't remember which one) came out to the media, saying that they had a video of that area proving that the body was NOT there. Instead of people believing that and being shocked about the accusation that the body wasn't there, everyone instead wondered WHY the PIs had even been out there in the first place, and what led them there. Then it came out in the media that police wanted to question the PIs, and Baez filed a motion to have someone from his team present during the interview....Now the PIs are saying that the video was deleted.

Do I have all that right? I'm sorry but there have been so many different articles and stories, I just want to make sure I have at least the basics right.

If the scenario above IS pretty much correct, then I have to believe that yes, Casey is the one who gave the tip, in which case they knew where Caylee's body was....maybe they went out there and didn't find it then? Either way, I think Casey confessed. Why else would Baez file that motion? He knows what will come out in that interview. This is all just mind-blowing - strangest case I've even seen.

JMO

Jpanda I do not think you are confused at all.

[WillowInFlight]

I've always been stuck on LKL and the odd behavior, EVEN FOR THEM mind you. I can't get past thinking this was an orchestrated ending. :cool:

Not to say I would refuse evidence indicating so, it's just too many different things coming together at the same time IMO. :unsure:
ITA, I don't think it was just a coincidence that Caylee was found while they were out of state.

[Jpanda]

I believe that Casey confessed, the PIs went to recover Caylees body but didn't find it at first. Maybe it was because of water. Levels can vary. Sometimes water doesn't fall or rise all at once. Maybe it was because of the vegetation that changes so fast during the summer-Fall months. at any rate. the PIs knew. Lenny knew.

Baez finds out but his former PIs no longer worked for him when the body was found later. His problem is that If the PIs tell the whole story of Caseys confession, his case is shot because now they have a body and a location that only she would know for sure(unless she had an accomplice).

Yes that is exactly what I'm thinking. And if we're right about all that, then Casey is TOAST.

jmo

[destiny1]

Aye, aye, aye, those two never cease to amaze me. They are alike alright. JMO.:thumbdown:

there was so much more to their little 'just like you" conversation that we will ever know. I also believe that little conversation plays right along with Lees "last time" question to casey. I am just suspicious now of anything and everything.

[ishkabibble]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.

I wonder who has control of Caylee's body. Casey is next of kin, unless she has given power of attorney to her parents, perhaps it is Casey thru her Lawyer who is holding up the works waiting for the "second autopsy" I do believe that George and Cindy are anxious to lay her to rest.

[Pooh]

Sorry to ask kind of a dumb question but was there a trial date set in March on the murder charges? TIA

[destiny1]

Unfortunately, there are people in LE and ci villians associated with LE (crime buffs so to speak) that get tidbits of information and are opportunistic. someone who was involved with the tips could have easily been loosely associated with Kronk, who seems so concerned, and used him.

[MalloryCat]

I'm not Regina, but .... I don't think Kronk is involved other than perhaps somebody put a bug in his ear to go back to that area again.

But how did they know he went there prior when they never paid for the tips?

[8BellesFan]

I wonder who has control of Caylee's body. Casey is next of kin, unless she has given power of attorney to her parents, perhaps it is Casey thru her Lawyer who is holding up the works waiting for the "second autopsy" I do believe that George and Cindy are anxious to lay her to rest.

I wondered about that also. It was said on one of the shows that Casey would have to give permission to anyone wanting to do the arrangements.

[NYGalPal]

ITA, I don't think it was just a coincidence that Caylee was found while they were out of state.

Absolutely. Remember they said they were following up on a tip and some how ended up on LKL. How strange they could not muster enough energy to look for Caylee at home not once, but managed to fly all the way to California at the same time Caylee was found. Planned.

[darcie]

If he told OCSO about it in November, though, then why wasn't her body found then? I cannot imagine for anything that OCSO would have known where her body possibly was and not gone and checked it out and found her. Why did it take the meter reader to do that a month later?


I think when Padilla said he was told about the tape, I understood it to mean he was told about it around December 15th.

Will try and look it up.

Just voicing my MOO

Edited to add the link:

PADILLA: When Hoover said I have a video, when Dominic called Hoover- - according to Hoover -- Dominic calls him the morning of the 15th. Says, get up here. We`re going to go get Caylee. He says, Hoover says, he asked Dominic. Is she is a live? Dominic says no. She`s deceased. They get up there and that he videoed Dominic down towards - down the road, opposite side of where the body was found.

Now, here`s something that`s very interesting. There`s some paver blocks down there that Hoover mentioned. The paver blocks are not part of the film. But if you look at the tent that was set up over the body, the paver blocks are less than 15 feet from where the body was found.

GRACE: What are paver blocks?

PADILLA: Paver blocks are your building cement puny blocks that you build with.

GRACE: OK. Leonard Padilla, when were you told this information?

PADILLA: The 16th , 17th .of December, about a week --

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you? When?

PADILLA: About the 16th or 17th of December. I had been there for about a week after the body was discovered

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[Neffy]

I believe that Casey confessed, the PIs went to recover Caylees body but didn't find it at first. Maybe it was because of water. Levels can vary. Sometimes water doesn't fall or rise all at once. Maybe it was because of the vegetation that changes so fast during the summer-Fall months. at any rate. the PIs knew. Lenny knew.

Baez finds out but his former PIs no longer worked for him when the body was found later. His problem is that If the PIs tell the whole story of Caseys confession, his case is shot because now they have a body and a location that only she would know for sure(unless she had an accomplice).

That psychic can't recall her name that looked in those woods (well around them). Her tape really reveals what the overgrowth and rambling dense plants in the vicinity is like. I can't believe Caylee was even found.

Amazing for anyone to come upon it with directions so given them it still would not have been easy if at all.

I can't believe Kronk happened upon it.

[bballgrl]

Absolutely. Remember they said they were following up on a tip and some how ended up on LKL. How strange they could muster enough energy to look for Caylee at home not once, but managed to fly all the way to California at the same time Caylee was found. Planned.


Couple that with her odd "clipped" response when she was told Caylees body had been found and I think we have a BINGO! :wink:

[Rayosunshine]

Yes...I believe he thinks that he is the lead investigator in this case....He will probably come out with a movie showing himself as just that.....

I wonder if he notices that he is alot like Casey....

Le needs to send him on his way....A polygraph (that he claims he is willing to take) will do just that....IMO

I thought LP was supposed to take a polygraph, or was that a rumor?

[NYGalPal]

Couple that with her odd "clipped" response when she was told Caylees body had been found and I think we have a BINGO! :wink:bingo!

Well then for sure they shouldn't get any kind of ammunity deal.

[destiny1]

That psychic can't recall her name that looked in those woods (well around them). Her tape really reveals what the overgrowth and rambling dense plants in the vicinity is like. I can't believe Caylee was even found.

Amazing for anyone to come upon it with directions so given them it still would not have been easy if at all.

I can't believe Kronk happened upon it.
Like I said before, a leak from the tipline and an opportunistic player that used Kronks obvious concern about something he inadvertantly stumbled upon earlier. Drama/ script?

[Dells]

Casey Anthony's attorney unveils new tip line (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-b3report06_109jan06,0,6373302.story)

Well, I supposed the defense team had to do something to make it appear that they are putting on a defense for their client. So far all the CE points directly to Casey. I can't help but feel this is yet again another mockery Baez is making of our justice system. I am sure they are going to get plenty of calls telling them that the murderer of Caylee is sitting in jail right now.:wink:

[WillowInFlight]

Absolutely. Remember they said they were following up on a tip and some how ended up on LKL. How strange they could not muster enough energy to look for Caylee at home not once, but managed to fly all the way to California at the same time Caylee was found. Planned.

Was that the first and only time they ever left the state to check on a sighting?

[grammie/va]

I think when Padilla said he was told about the tape, I understood it to mean he was told about it around December 15th.

Will try and look it up.

Just voicing my MOO

ITA I think LP was introduced to Hoover in August, and then in December was told about the video tape that happened in November, you kinda have to read between the lines with LP. I don't think he is saying he knew about the video in August.

[courtsinsession]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.


I'm with you on this one: just totally disgusting: now that Caylee is gone all the Anthony's can think about is how get their lying murdering daughter out of the slammer permanently

[desmom]

I think when Padilla said he was told about the tape, I understood it to mean he was told about it around December 15th.

Will try and look it up.

Just voicing my MOO

It is my understanding also.

IMO, LP is saying he met Hoover in August. When Hoover called LP in December, he mentioned he had a film from when Dominic called Hoover on November 15. LP asks how he can have a film of that area.........

[ishkabibble]

After watching all the interviews and a few twice, I think George pretty much left CASEY to the care of Cindy after they decided to stay together.

IT WOULD NOT SURPRISE ME to find that Casey leveled the accusation against George during the split to get her parents to refrain from going back together. JMO and nothing more.

I can remember early on before the complete cleaning of the myspace account, she posted to Lee about being uncomfortable having George back home....I'LL BET if she leveled a false accusation. Just opining tho. :blink:

Once George was back home, Casey had to change her routine. She couldn't fake being at work while sitting on the couch like she did when Cindy was at her job 9-5. Now George is there during the day (unemployed) and she has to get out of the house with Caylee to keep up the facade of being an event planner. I guess that made her uncomfortable..

[Neffy]

I wonder who has control of Caylee's body. Casey is next of kin, unless she has given power of attorney to her parents, perhaps it is Casey thru her Lawyer who is holding up the works waiting for the "second autopsy" I do believe that George and Cindy are anxious to lay her to rest.

This is what gets me. There is so much information that goes in a complete inwards spiral and it should be cut and dry. What the heck!

I've read:

Remains have been released to the funeral home.
Remains kept for 2nd autopsy
Remains already autopsy'd and waiting on state to produce corresponding docs.
Remains weren't needed as there was nothing to autopsy and only the documentation of xrays etc were needed.

This is not complicated information to relay. What's with all the stories.

[Lavenia]

I think they would, then record over it ASAP like they did!

Well yes, there's always that, lol. Buncha' Bumblin' PI's.

[Dells]

Really, did he now? I suppose that's his story and he's sticking to it..

Exactly. I wonder if they will tell the truth of the matter or if they will risk possible charges to keep Casey's secret. What is so special about her that everyone wants to cover up the truth and risk possibly charges/jail time for her?:unsure: I don't get it.:shrug:

[NYGalPal]

Was that the first and only time they ever left the state to check on a sighting?

Not for a siting. To go on the Today Show in NY. That was paid for by the show, iirc.

Have you ever heard other wise?