Tuesday Jan 6th. - Part 1

[SavannahStar]

All though I appreciated someone trying to contribute to our further our understanding of what was going on in the case, I too felt that such updates, if truly coming from someone inside of LE, were inappropriate.


Well I think that's it in a nutshell. Everyone wanted the information....we crave that sort of thing....."real" inside info...but the circumstances are disturbing. If the person was really with LE (and I believed she was), it was highly unethical on her part.

[Regina.Lampert]

IIRC Wasn't that around the same time that the LP theory was being floated around, that LE already had the body?

I get all this stuff confused lately:tongueside:

Yes, that is what we're all discussing.

Count me as liking Snoopy and her information. :thumbsup:

[bchand]

Jan! Did a judge actually say that today!? My son has been e-mailing me from Iraq in the last two hours and I've been popping in and out here. Did I miss something earthshaking? Help!

You can hear the judge here Sandy:

http://www.wftv.com/video/18421744/index.html

[destiny1]

Maybe, and I'm not being funny here, when she said this, it was when one of her personalities in the form of a small child, came out. I still think there is MPD here. :blink:

she has something alright.

I just don't believe that with MPD the other personalities can be unaware of the others, so either way, she knows what happened and she knows right from wrong

[steffaroob4]

Is the dream team laying low or what? No peeps from any of them?

They will not make a move until they get all the pictures from the crime scene.

If there is hard evidence pointing to casey on those pictures, they may need to take a different direction in their case.

I think LE has something big that they found at the discovery scene and Baez needs to know what they have before he can act.

[nothingnew]

I am coming in late and scanning the comments, so forgive me. Lenny did time at a "detention center" for 2 misdemeanors, where he plead guilty. Here is a link to the website that was put up last year while he was running for mayor of Sacramento.

http://www.leonardpadillaformayor.com/skeletons.html

Thank you for looking for that! (wiping egg off my face) I found it on my own but google was not as helpful as it used to be. I still like ol' Lenny. I know he's a BIG talker so why would Dom. Casey or Hoover talk to him? He keeps a secret about as badly as I!

[court~critic1®]

Another thought I had about the MR, why go into the woods to relieve yourself, when there are gas stations, restaurants etc near by, It is not as though he were out on the highway with nothing in sight except more highway, or the wilderness. moo



Why not???? Maybe the poor guy had to really go and couldn't hold it any longer. Sure is easier for a man to do that then a woman. lol

[marinewife5]

From the Nancy Grace transcripts


THE LADY KNEW THE METER READER


GRACE: Out to Drew Petrimoulx, with WDBO.

Drew, if the PI for the Anthony family knew to go to this area, forget the video. OK, just forget what is on the video, forget that it was of the crime scene where her remains were found, that they videotaped over it, forget it. But what led them to that scene? Why were they there? Did the tot mom tell them to go there?

PETRIMOULX: That`s the question. And you know I`ve talked to experts that think that there has to be some kind of connection back to the jail. I know that Leonard Padilla has talked about a woman that -- the guy, the meter reader, who found it knew. So was there a connection back to the jail? That is what experts are trying to figure out right now and honestly both sides have different opinions.




NANCY GRACE

Breaking News in Caylee Anthony Case

Aired January 5, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

It would benefit LE if that all linked up...they were very quick to "clear" him...and i can understand them not commenting further on any possible connection. and i would bet my pizza-smelling suv that casey's spite for her mother is that deep. she has nothing to lose at this point.

jmo

[Calla]

Maybe, and I'm not being funny here, when she said this, it was when one of her personalities in the form of a small child, came out. I still think there is MPD here. :blink:

whoa!

this being your response to CK recalling her saying she was same size as Caylee...

Gives me alot to think about ..
I really should spend more time reading than posting:blushing:

[destiny1]

Yes, that is what we're all discussing.

Count me as liking Snoopy and her information. :thumbsup:

I am with you.
enough said.

[desmom]

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-010609,0,7477088.story

Anthony's attorney wants the judge to postpone Monday's deposition until her criminal case is complete. A hearing is expected this week but no date has been set yet.

Judge Sets Hearing On Casey Anthony Deposition
http://www.wesh.com/news/18422273/detail.html

Orange County Circuit Court Judge Jose R. Rodriquez set the hearing for Thursday morning. He will hear arguments from attorneys for Anthony, who don’t want her to be deposed because of a pending criminal trial, and attorneys for Zenaida Gonzalez, who is suing Anthony.

[Elfinrow]

Yes, ma'am. I think someone posted the link a few pages back. I can't keep up with this board as it is, so I know the feeling! :seeya:


PS: GOD BLESS YOUR SON!

January this is the first time ever that I too, had to come over from TTV board and try to read or post here on this case and weed through pages and pages of posts. sometimes I go by fives lol and I read page 1 page 5 page 10 and page 15. If it's very pertinent then I read the whole thing if I can.
I've found that I like a few radio broadcasts as well even if they are blogcasts because Tim M usually gives an interview and other ex or Current LE also come on and give their opinions. It really widens the net instead of staying with one small group of people when following a case. One constant in this case is that the actions of this family have left a very bad taste in the mouths of many. And they continue to do so.
Today, what is the significance of this new tipline? Just what does Baez think people are going to call in, that they saw George himself out there in the woods that morning, or maybe Lee? Or, that many people checked that area? Geez for the Love of Pete, we have three videos online already that show people scouring that area her body was found. Was she really there from Aug until Dec? Im not so sure, I think Tim M is sure and what he said that day I want to go with that, and believe she was there all along. It's just how did so many miss this when even WE were all online in various forums, discussing THE ZONE and her old "hangout"? How could we all know this and LE NOT have scoured this area? They had plenty of time before fay even hit to scour it.

[*MoonRider*]

Another thought I had about the MR, why go into the woods to relieve yourself, when there are gas stations, restaurants etc near by, It is not as though he were out on the highway with nothing in sight except more highway, or the wilderness. moo

I think it's a man thing and the wilderness. :rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

I just got here. What happened?

Read back a few pages. I've said my peace on it.

:smile:

[Pruddennce]

To show everyone he APPEARS to be a normal bumbling guy.


yes your key word: 'appears'.

why was there a need for a press conference?

Im not quite understanding his behaviour nor his 'need' for a lawyer.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[steffaroob4]

Yes, that is what we're all discussing.

Count me as liking Snoopy and her information. :thumbsup:


Thanks
A photographic memory would really help with this case.

I am still wondering if we may get a few pictures from the batch that Baez gets with all the autopsy slides.
We already got some pictures, maybe we could get a few more. It would be nice to see some close up pics of the scene(not with the bones, of course).

[CANDYKISSES]

Maybe, and I'm not being funny here, when she said this, it was when one of her personalities in the form of a small child, came out. I still think there is MPD here. :blink:

I don't dismiss that idea either January. I lived next door to a woman who was a study at NIH and appeared on Oprah suffering from MPD. One day I remember looking outside and she was in a child's raincoat and hat playing with dolls in the rain. Another day she was dressed to look masculine and grown with ciggies and she didn't smoke AS I KNEW HER.

It would fit some of Jesse's comments too.

JMO.

[Calla]

Another thought I had about the MR, why go into the woods to relieve yourself, when there are gas stations, restaurants etc near by, It is not as though he were out on the highway with nothing in sight except more highway, or the wilderness. moo

Its not out of the ordinary imo..but I am only speaking in regards to themen I know.LOL

Maybe he had recently left the gas station and his coffee got to him:wink:

[bchand]

Thank you, Bchand. I was scrolling back and got sidetracked.

n/p I just got here too and always check our links thread for new info. Thanks to Carol, I'm all updated !

[steffaroob4]

From the Nancy Grace transcripts


THE LADY KNEW THE METER READER


GRACE: Out to Drew Petrimoulx, with WDBO.

Drew, if the PI for the Anthony family knew to go to this area, forget the video. OK, just forget what is on the video, forget that it was of the crime scene where her remains were found, that they videotaped over it, forget it. But what led them to that scene? Why were they there? Did the tot mom tell them to go there?

PETRIMOULX: That`s the question. And you know I`ve talked to experts that think that there has to be some kind of connection back to the jail. I know that Leonard Padilla has talked about a woman that -- the guy, the meter reader, who found it knew. So was there a connection back to the jail? That is what experts are trying to figure out right now and honestly both sides have different opinions.




NANCY GRACE

Breaking News in Caylee Anthony Case

Aired January 5, 2009 - 20:00:00 ET

What does this mean??
THE LADY KNEW THE METER READER

[OneUp]

For whatever it's worth, the two posters were Snoopy50 and LittleBitty. The former is the one with a relative in law enforcement who has friends or contacts in Orlando LE. LittleBitty's inside source wasn't identified in any way.

Snoopy50 is still an active member, or she was a couple days ago when I happened on one of her posts in another forum here. LB was banned.

Again for whatever it's worth, I consider both those posters to be upfront, non-dramatic, and simply trying to share a little inside knowledge. Neither claimed first-hand knowledge. Both stated very plainly in every one of their posts where they were getting their information so that the rest of us could make our own decision what to believe or not believe.

My 2 cents, as I've grown a little tired of seeing these 2 posters being badmouthed on this thread the last couple days.TY for chiming in SayWhat03...IIRC, Snoopy NEVER made any specific or factual commments, it was more along the lines of sharing things LE NOT directly involved in this case were theorizing and confirming things that were public record but hard to find, etc. ((the Juvie record comes to mind. I DO recall hearing two TH mention it on NG, and say "...and what about her juvenile record? That may offer clues about her history of criminal acts as well. Of course, that is sealed, so we can only suppose what it may contain." [paraphrased], and thus, to me, that confirmed that there IS a juvie record. Relevant or not is another thing)).
Now, granted I may have missed posts and I could be wrong. I do remember Snoopy50 specifying that she couldn't share much because her daughter couldn't talk to HER even about anything priveleged or still under investigation....and the daughter certainly wasn't directly involved in the case. I'd guess many LE discuss prominent cases at work and at home freely if they have no involvement.
I found her posts about what she and her daughter DID discuss interesting because as a member of LE, the daughter would have experience and insight into methods and criminal behavior that others might not have.
*Again, I may be wrong...maybe she did share something that she shouldn't have, but I don't recall anything that wasn't either public, made public within days ( and LE knew it was going public within days) or just supposition and theory amongst officers. Nothing terrible in that IMo...I rather think the "sunshine" law has put more out there that shouldn't be anyway.
JMO.

[Lavenia]

I cannot for the life of me remember her nic... I tried yesterday to think of the nic, I scrolled the members list but was told it wouldn'tbe there as CW removes the banned posters.

This page has the list of banned posters:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showgroups.php

[WillowInFlight]

Judge Reprimands Casey's Defense Team (http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html)

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, Orange County Circuit Judge Jose Rodriguez refused to hear the request and scolded Casey's defense team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Casey's attorneys were taking the profession to a new low.

Doesn't that just give you the warm fuzzies? LOL

[SavannahStar]

This page has the list of banned posters:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showgroups.php


Oh I posted that info for Diane earlier (w/o the link) and wondered if she saw it!

[tybek]

Well I think that's it in a nutshell. Everyone wanted the information....we crave that sort of thing....."real" inside info...but the circumstances are disturbing. If the person was really with LE (and I believed she was), it was highly unethical on her part.


I agree. I read the posts, although at the same time I cringed everytime I saw one of these updates.

[court~critic1®]

True..but to cut through that jungle like Dr livingston with Elephants looking for Dr Watson.......same amount of toughness.

Its too dense back there at the time, for most guys to even think about exposing themselves back there, also too close to a school.


IF he had to "cut through that jungle" then no one could see him. School or no school. To dense.

Would you think this if a child had found the remains???

[no1what]

Isn't that why OJ had to answer Qs during his civil trial? It's a separate matter when you're sued VS a criminal trial. However, can't Baez get the civil suit postponed until after her criminal trial?

OJ's civil trial was after his criminal trial so OJ could not plead the 5th.

This is where Zenaida's attorney is making a mistake.

Also Scott Peterson is trying to delay his civil trial until after his appeal.

[Carol25]

Yes that was her, remember her daughter was attending meetings or something like that.
Yes, I remember,but I don't recall who the poster was. But, she wasn't in Jackson, was she?

[SavannahStar]

Okay, one more comment, lol. Everyone who was online when both posters were reaching out to us were dang near drooling over the inside information they were getting. I think I actually heard panting, fgs.

To come back months later and start talking trash about them is, well, lowbrow, imo.

Okay, really done now.

Still chuckling over the judge's remark to Baez this morning, oh lawdy. :lol:

You're absolutely right, MOST posters were drooling over inside info.

Again, I had no problem with the poster. I DID have a problem with the daughter.

Done now.

[AbbyNormal]

"Daisy chain" is a rather old-fashioned term meaning "A string of associated people or things." It is also used to describe several devices connected to a computer in a linear manner. [A --> B --> C] Regarding the first definition, it may be, but does not have to be, circular in nature. [A --> B --> C -->A]

The newer (informal) definition is found in the Urban Dictionary, but I doubt if Lenny meant it ~that~ way.Thank you for explaining that. It just did not seem like a common phrase and that is why I looked it up. It does make more sense that he used it in the "old-fashioned" way.

[WillowInFlight]

Yes, I remember,but I don't recall who the poster was. But, she wasn't in Jackson, was she?

Casey? not that I recall, though this poster said her daughter was and ran into Casey I think at a Target, and talked to her briefly.

[Lavenia]

Yes, that is what we're all discussing.

Count me as liking Snoopy and her information. :thumbsup:

Same here! I don't think for one minute we were hearing info that was privileged and sensitive, just news that was newer than what you could get from the media. I never got the feeling we were hearing anything that would jeopardize an investigation, IMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Baez is the worst lawyer I have had the pleasure to watch 'work.'

I sincerely believe he must have cheated on his Bar exam.

ITA, which worries me that Casey may say she didn't get a fair trial because of his incompetence.

[newsjunkie]

If you look at the video, done by Gail St John...on her site. There is no way she could get back in there...it was swamped and the brush was too thick. It's pretty raunchy, language wise, but it's a good indication of how dense the area was.


I am playing catchup here but I wanted to comment.
Yes the language is raunchy in that video but I can handle that. What I can't handle is that it is among mother and son and daughter. That's what makes it raunchy to me.

HOWEVER I am glad to see any effort anyone put into a search......back to catching up :wink:

[marshmallow]

Ok..but then how could he see the BLACK bag 80 of which was covered in leaves?....x-ray vision maybe?......just kiddin of course.

As for him being totally isolated so no one could see him.....I, as a guy, would still find somewhere else to go, common sense dictates it.

If a child found the remains while urinating in the woods,......I would give much more credence too, in terms of " accidentally finding the body".....as to the point of the child doing his business in the woods....who cares?.....he is a child and knows no better.



unless there's actually a substanciated "conspiracy" case, I'm not buying it. I don't see a big hushhush plan with this many people involved.

[desmom]

What does this mean??
THE LADY KNEW THE METER READER

The reporter said Leonard Padilla has talked about a woman that -- the guy, the meter reader, who found it knew.

I take LP with a grain of salt most times. This could be another one of those grain of salt moments. jmo

[Carol25]

Casey? not that I recall, though this poster said her daughter was and ran into Casey I think at a Target, and talked to her briefly.
So, this poster who said she was in Jackson and even IIRC, said this girl said her name was Casey Anthony was making this up, right?

Who do you think this poster really was?

[WillowInFlight]

So, this poster who said she was in Jackson and even IIRC, said this girl said her name was Casey Anthony was making this up, right?

Who do you think this poster really was?

I don't have a clue, I just remember her saying it and I remember her saying that her daughter had never met a stranger.

[*MoonRider*]

Baez is the worst lawyer I have had the pleasure to watch 'work.'

I sincerely believe he must have cheated on his Bar exam.

ITA. I beginning to fear "Ineffective Assistance Of Counsel" if she's convicted. :scared: But in the mean time I do so enjoy watching his blunders.

[Elfinrow]

We have been toggling back and forth for several days now about whether she suffers MPD, is socio or psychopath, just plain evil, or what. Alot of things I have seen in Casey so far fit MPD. Especially when I listen to the whole tape of her with those first two cops and all the names she throws out, the apartments she takes them to and the same statement over and over again "yes, she (zanny) is the last person I saw my daughter with"). Listen to the words and keep your mind open.

I wonder about her using medical problems as her excuses in lies as well. Maybe Munchousens im not sure yet. Like I said last night I've changed my mind a few times and that's normal in a case like this.
But you all have such good theories and ideas and info in this case and all the links, especially cury who is always trying to keep us up to date.
I really appreciate it! And I miss Lynn too!

[CANDYKISSES]

But it sure does explain the "me and Caylee are the same size" statement. It also explains the daytrip to Universal with LE. But I sure as heck don't want to re-open that can of worms.

I really do THINK it's possible too January. The manifesting of symptoms in the neighbor here caused many hard feelings until her husband told a few of us and later she appeared on Oprah too. :scared:

It can be really mind boggling to deal with someone suffering from that disorder IMO. :blushing:

[desmom]

Here's a clue...

"The dogs showed very heavy interest back in that area," said St. John. But they didn't get far. "You can only go so far, and its water," said St. John on the video.

Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=A4F36CCA0C999A7FAA53D71F150FFC5D ?contentId=8197199&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

Looks like we will hear more tonight: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

As the Casey Anthony defense tries to build up its case, prosecutors plan to hand over photos and x-rays of Caylee's remains, and a leading psychic claims she knew where Caylee's body was before it was found. Nancy Grace has the latest tonight 8 and 10 p.m. ET.

[happy2bme]

Yes, that is what we're all discussing.

Count me as liking Snoopy and her information. :thumbsup:


Me too!
:biggrin:

[marshmallow]

Alrighteeee then.

MPD, which is now known as DID (Dissociative Identity Disorder), is a fairly rare disorder, and is even more rarely diagnosed with any credibility. In addition, the behavior the sufferer exhibits -- before or without treatment -- is not at all the same behavior we've come to know as Casey's.

Additionally, in the vast majority of cases, DID develops as the result of a childhood so horrendously abusive that many of us literally could not grasp what was done to these children. That's why the mind "dissociates" -- it's a survival mechanism. Despite my dislike for C&G, I don't see any indication that they were responsible for the kind of horrors normally seen in the parents/caretakers of people with DID.

As I mentioned a few days ago, a poster with diagnosed DID who appears to have been "integrated" (treated with good outcome), has weighed in that it isn't her opinion Casey has DID.

I have known a couple DID sufferers, and I, too, see no reason to believe Casey has the disorder.

None of the TH's on the various shows we all watch has given any credence to the DID theory.

But having said all that, if you want to continue to run with the possible DID thing, have at it.



I'm in no way thinking Casey suffers from DID but I have a question. Would she "know" the other personalities and consider them to be seperate whole individuals with parents, siblings, material goods, etc? I was under the impression, from what little I do know, that she would not "see" them and interact with them to such a level as she "knows" Zanny.

[WillowInFlight]

Can't we all just say that she is a spoiled little psycho, that murdered her kid so she could party and have sex with as many guys as possible, while getting even with her crazy mother for trying to run her life because she is a controlling type of person from a disfunctional family?:lol:

Makes a lot more sense to me then all of this "professor" talk.
LOL works for me

[Elfinrow]

Baez is the worst lawyer I have had the pleasure to watch 'work.'

I sincerely believe he must have cheated on his Bar exam.

OH! LOL LS that is very funny. I also agree he is so embarrassing to watch, even in that short clip he is dropping his pen, not sitting up at the table, oh the humanity!
Do you believe casey and lee both get it that he is like a bimbo, after all they did laugh at him on tape at the jail..

[bchand]

You had a problem with a poster's daughter?

Odd, that. A little too personal.

Any word on full immunity for Cindy & George today?

Especially since the daughter was not involved in this case at all.

All the lawyers seemed to be hunkering down lately. No word.

[steffaroob4]

The reporter said Leonard Padilla has talked about a woman that -- the guy, the meter reader, who found it knew.

I take LP with a grain of salt most times. This could be another one of those grain of salt moments. jmo

Bizarre, just bizarre.

Thanks...

I can't wait to find out when LP contacted Savage, I wish the state would release that stuff, I think the actual dates would shed some light onto all of this.
I caught a part of something LP said last night, I think, that a member of the media had stated that Hoover had his phone and video taken by FBI, which I thought was another shift in his story.

I also thought it was interesting that the very first day he described the video that he had seen as the exact spot the body was found, he has now moved off that going as far to say it was across the street. Then last night he was saying no pavers in the video, why would he even think he could see the pavers when he said the video was taken so far away that Hoover couldn't hear who Dominic was talking on the phone with. Of course that was after he said Dominicwas talking with Joy, who was married to someone that worked for Baez. just bizarre...

[Carol25]

Can't we all just say that she is a spoiled little psycho, that murdered her kid so she could party and have sex with as many guys as possible, while getting even with her crazy mother for trying to run her life because she is a controlling type of person from a disfunctional family?:lol:

Makes a lot more sense to me then all of this "professor" talk.
There ya go! We got it! Hi MacDaddy!:seeya:

[Carol25]

Bizarre, just bizarre.

Thanks...

I can't wait to find out when LP contacted Savage, I wish the state would release that stuff, I think the actual dates would shed some light onto all of this.
I caught a part of something LP said last night, I think, that a member of the media had stated that Hoover had his phone and video taken by FBI, which I thought was another shift in his story.

I also thought it was interesting that the very first day he described the video that he had seen as the exact spot the body was found, he has now moved off that going as far to say it was across the street. Then last night he was saying no pavers in the video, why would he even think he could see the pavers when he said the video was taken so far away that Hoover couldn't hear who Dominic was talking on the phone with. Of course that was after he said Dominicwas talking with Joy, who was married to someone that worked for Baez. just bizarre...
Sorry, but who's Savage and who is married to Joy? If you don't mind me asking....:blush:

[*MoonRider*]

Looks like we will hear more tonight: http://www.cnn.com/CNN/Programs/nancy.grace/

As the Casey Anthony defense tries to build up its case, prosecutors plan to hand over photos and x-rays of Caylee's remains, and a leading psychic claims she knew where Caylee's body was before it was found. Nancy Grace has the latest tonight 8 and 10 p.m. ET.

As another posted about this wouldn't you be embarrassed if you claim to be a psychic and were so close but didn't find the body?

[Mimi428]

I don't know, but I have a high degree of confidence that John Morgan is the man for the job. He's well-seasoned, and as you can see from the judge's smack down of Baez this morning, he (the judge) didn't take too kindly to Baez's comments regarding Morgan's motivation for representing ZFG.

This should be gooooood, in other words. :thumbup:

Yeah, it should. Reeeeealllly good.

So let's extend this a little bit further. Zenaida is suing Casey for ruining her life & causing her to lose her job, due to Casey's claims that she (Z) was her babysitter. So Morgan gets Casey in depo, asks her about her employment, her babysitting arrangements & the like - & Casey takes the 5th. Ohhhhkaaaay.

Then we have all the various & sundry friends like Amy & Tony - who can easily testify that Casey did, in fact, tell them with her own mouth that Caylee was with a nanny. They can also testify (& I believe at least Amy's text messages confirm) that Casey made remarks to her about being at work, doing work, not yet able to leave work, etc. That's the easy part.

Now - bring in Cindy & George! Ask THEM what THEY believed Casey's employment status was. Ask THEM (under oath) to explain their remarks about knowing that Zanny existed. Ask THEM to tell what they believed the babysitting arrangements to be while their daughter was at her so-called place of employment...

Now how can they, in their position right now & considering what they have previously said to the media, get out of answering??

I don't see how they could take the 5th.

IOW, there is more than one way to skin a cat. Casey may be able to take the 5th, she certainly does have a constitutional right to not incriminate herself. But on what basis could her parents make the same claim, while being questioned in a civil suit??

HMMMMMM

[steffaroob4]

Here's a clue...

"The dogs showed very heavy interest back in that area," said St. John. But they didn't get far. "You can only go so far, and its water," said St. John on the video.

Psychic found spot of Anthony remains months before (http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=A4F36CCA0C999A7FAA53D71F150FFC5D ?contentId=8197199&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1)

That is just so interesting, when I look at this picture (http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/BHVIDEO.jpg) someone made and I think that there was water in the area the week of August 13th, I wonder just what the MR and the police officer saw.
I would love to know what the poice officer state.

[breezie]

We have been toggling back and forth for several days now about whether she suffers MPD, is socio or psychopath, just plain evil, or what. Alot of things I have seen in Casey so far fit MPD. Especially when I listen to the whole tape of her with those first two cops and all the names she throws out, the apartments she takes them to and the same statement over and over again "yes, she (zanny) is the last person I saw my daughter with"). Listen to the words and keep your mind open.

not buying in the clinical sense. I agree she had different affects, or acts, for the different people in her life. But she always knew exactly what she was saying to who and how she was saying it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Okay, one more comment, lol. Everyone who was online when both posters were reaching out to us were dang near drooling over the inside information they were getting. I think I actually heard panting, fgs.

To come back months later and start talking trash about them is, well, lowbrow, imo.

Okay, really done now.

Still chuckling over the judge's remark to Baez this morning, oh lawdy. :lol:

From WFTV9 video, it does not appear that Baez was actually in the room with Judge Rodriquez. IMO, alleged reprimands may reflect upon the entire team. Who is the female seated behind the table?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18421744/index.html

[nothingnew]

January, with all due respect, when someone tries to be informative about what DID looks like vs. the behavior Casey has exhibited, I don't consider it a "pounding." I consider that someone is trying to be informative. Or it could be considered another poster's opinion.

But not a "pounding." I'm sorry you keep taking it that way.

I really am glad that you posted the DID info-I am surrounded by people in the psych field and I've gotten the speech about MPD/split personality (doesn't exist etc.) when I first brought it up to any of them when this case first started. That "zanny" thing bugged me (and still does) when I heard it "the last person...yada, yada"-maybe it was code speak but to me it was "oh look she has a whole made up person in her head but it's her". My opinion now-she has issues (comes from a family with a huge subscription of issues) but mostly she's just dumb. pretty dull-both my theory and casey. jmo

[steffaroob4]

Sorry, but who's Savage and who is married to Joy? If you don't mind me asking....:blush:

Nick Savage is the FBI guy involved with the case.
Joy is the woman that claimed to have pictures of discovery scene with no body in the from when she searched with TES.

[WillowInFlight]

Given his recent track record, though, don't be surprised if someone else comes into the picture that is connected with the jail AND the meter reader. (I can almost hear PeeWee Herman singing "connect the dots...connect the dots la la la")

ITA, I have a feeling the list of players is far from complete.

[OneUp]

Sorry, but who's Savage and who is married to Joy? If you don't mind me asking....:blush:
Joy should be so lucky IMO!
...isn't Nick Savage that rather, um "interesting" FBI agent? The special crimes investigator or some such that people theorized was there because of "sex crimes" ( that was IIRC part of his former job)? I'm not certain w/o looking it up.
JMO.

[Remy]

ok, I've been following this case on this board since it broke and I know it was discussed that Casey went to school with a Zenaida Gonzales.

I went to Colonial HS Alumni site to see if I could find a Baez because it was rumored that Jose has a niece that attended that school and in the graduating of '03 their is a Samantha Fernandez as well as a Zenaida Gonzales and Annie Dowling has her name there as well.

Is this a screw up on the site?

[Carol25]

Nick Savage is the FBI guy involved with the case.
Joy is the woman that claimed to have pictures of discovery scene with no body in the from when she searched with TES.
Thank you Steff. Do you know who she is married to?

[forensicnut]

Hi all! I've been lurking lately, but I thought I'd jump in and see if anyone else caught this....

In the interrogation interview:

SGT. JOHN ALLEN, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: So she seemed happy and (INAUDIBLE)

CASEY ANTHONY: Fine.

ALLEN: Seemed fine, seemed happy?

(CROSSTALK)

CASEY ANTHONY: She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background…

ALLEN: Telling you about a book, telling you — no sign of any type stress at all?

CASEY ANTHONY: Not at all.

ALLEN: Great. That`s wonderful. Now, let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn`t seen you in over a month, and she`s not — she`s…

CASEY ANTHONY: She was excited. She was excited to talk to me. But at the same time, it`s crazy that she didn`t get upset when she talked to me, which had it been my mom, I know it would have been…

ALLEN: Is that another thing…

CASEY ANTHONY: … totally different.

ALLEN: Is that another thing that makes sense to you?

CASEY ANTHONY: She never gets upset when she talks to me, whether I haven`t seen her for an entire day, or if I had to work late at night and I didn`t see him almost an entire day until the next morning.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

Talk about a total contradiction in a short 10 second time span.....

[Motomom]

Maybe, and I'm not being funny here, when she said this, it was when one of her personalities in the form of a small child, came out. I still think there is MPD here. :blink:

Hi January. I really don't think it's MPD, but don't doubt that it's not possible. I think that Casey was very jealous of Caylee, she wasn't getting the attention she deserved (in her own mind that is). She knew how bad those parents were missing Caylee, wanting her home. Remember when she told them or maybe it was just George that "I'm still here". I kind of think that she wanted or hoped or thought that they would just move on. After all she was still there. Caylee was getting all the attention and casey didn't like it. We can tell, or at least I can tell, the personality Caylee had just through her pictures. Very sad for Cindy and George, they have lost so much.

[bchand]

Was I mistaken that the daughter worked for LE and was getting her info from LE about the case, and sharing it with her mother? I thought so. I wonder what her immediate supervisors would have thought.

No word from the lawyers, nope!

She worked in LE but not on this case is what I recall. She really had no direct info to share.

Supervisors can be funny. Alot of them probably wouldn't be too happy knowing their employees were posting on a message board all day while they were paying them, but we all do it.

[martha]

Good morning every one. I guess we have no news today. I was hoping we might get some new on what is going on in this case. It seems like everyone is really quite now. All the tips and things the a;s were getting or cut off since they have found caylee;s body. I don;t get any news here in miss about this case so I hope if there is anything new you good posters will let me know. love and best wishes to you all for a very good day.jmho

[NYGalPal]

What you just said is an oxymoron you now. Did they want the body found or not? Were they accomplices? Did they cover-up the murder?

somehow, I'm going to give Cindy the benefit of the doubt. But no one else. JMO.

Yesterday, you said Cindy and George were in on the cover up. Why do you flip flop every day? Is this a game?

[breezie]

Was I mistaken that the daughter worked for LE and was getting her info from LE about the case, and sharing it with her mother? I thought so. I wonder what her immediate supervisors would have thought.

No word from the lawyers, nope!

She worked for LE is a different state. Not FL and certainly not Orlando. But you knew that. :sneaky:

[OneUp]

...Originally Posted by Bratlings
WOW!! JUST WOW! What is wrong with this defense team?...

Landshark's response...
Baez. Period.LOL...I was rather thinking that what is most "wrong" with this defense team it the mess they are defending. The trouble seems to begin their and just spiral right out of kilter.
JMO.
I like your response though...not alot "right" about Jose IMO.

[aubrey04]

Thank you for looking for that! (wiping egg off my face) I found it on my own but google was not as helpful as it used to be. I still like ol' Lenny. I know he's a BIG talker so why would Dom. Casey or Hoover talk to him? He keeps a secret about as badly as I!

Not a problem. I didn't mind Lenny until he started insinuating that the meter reader was somehow involved. I think that is over the top, but truly, he has just been doing what we do on here everyday.. Offering up scenarios on what happened based on the evidence that has been discovered. I will say this - the fact that his theories change doesn't bother me - my theory has changed a few times too.. it does every time more evidence is exposed.

IE - the duct tape on the skull REALLY has me re-thinking my previous theory on how Caylee died.

[bchand]

Oh WIOW!!!....Just WOW! I am totally LOVING the smack down Baez got today!!!!

How is that going to affect his countersuit is what Id like to know.

Cant incrimminate herself but has to countersue but also has to plead the fifth while being deoposed....so incrimminates herself indirectly.....what a pile of sour mash!!

That's my question too Nikibee. If she's going to plead the fifth, why bother with the countersuit? Seems pointless.

[steffaroob4]

ok, I've been following this case on this board since it broke and I know it was discussed that Casey went to school with a Zenaida Gonzales.

I went to Colonial HS Alumni site to see if I could find a Baez because it was rumored that Jose has a niece that attended that school and in the graduating of '03 their is a Samantha Fernandez as well as a Zenaida Gonzales and Annie Dowling has her name there as well.

Is this a screw up on the site?

Hey, I did find a Gonzalez, Raquel in the class of '03. Not seeing a ZG.

[MalloryCat]

I really am glad that you posted the DID info-I am surrounded by people in the psych field and I've gotten the speech about MPD/split personality (doesn't exist etc.) when I first brought it up to any of them when this case first started. That "zanny" thing bugged me (and still does) when I heard it "the last person...yada, yada"-maybe it was code speak but to me it was "oh look she has a whole made up person in her head but it's her". My opinion now-she has issues (comes from a family with a huge subscription of issues) but mostly she's just dumb. pretty dull-both my theory and casey. jmo

Because I am couch dweller, I watch soaps, and on One Life To Live they have done a DID storyline for years, including right now, I am watching this actress and shes fab, they research these diseases to bring awareness. If you want to see a great example of DID, youtube jess and tess, or Niki and Viki.

Personally, I don't think Casey has DID.

jmo

[Pruddennce]

Can't we all just say that she is a spoiled little psycho, that murdered her kid so she could party and have sex with as many guys as possible, while getting even with her crazy mother for trying to run her life because she is a controlling type of person from a disfunctional family?:lol:

Makes a lot more sense to me then all of this "professor" talk.

thank you! finally! I appreciate your 'earthy' statement :)

IMO, it IS as simple as psychopathic behaviour exacerbated by continued exposure to a sociopath.

kind of like two supeheroes meeting up for a showdown.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[happy2bme]

I don't have a clue, I just remember her saying it and I remember her saying that her daughter had never met a stranger.

IIRC this poster was also talking about her daughter being bi-polar and that at first her daughter thought she had seen casey at a meeting.

[bchand]

Good morning every one. I guess we have no news today. I was hoping we might get some new on what is going on in this case. It seems like everyone is really quite now. All the tips and things the a;s were getting or cut off since they have found caylee;s body. I don;t get any news here in miss about this case so I hope if there is anything new you good posters will let me know. love and best wishes to you all for a very good day.jmho


Hi martha - nothing new except Casey's defense team got a smack down by a judge today for bad conduct.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

[steffaroob4]

Thank you Steff. Do you know who she is married to?

No, that is a LP theory, I find it hard to believe, IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

ok, I've been following this case on this board since it broke and I know it was discussed that Casey went to school with a Zenaida Gonzales.

I went to Colonial HS Alumni site to see if I could find a Baez because it was rumored that Jose has a niece that attended that school and in the graduating of '03 their is a Samantha Fernandez as well as a Zenaida Gonzales and Annie Dowling has her name there as well.

Is this a screw up on the site?

Very interesting. Do you have a link?

[Lavenia]

IIRC this poster was also talking about her daughter being bi-polar and that at first her daughter thought she had seen casey at a meeting.

Right, and she wasn't sure at first if the daughter met Casey at a support group for bipolar peeps or an NA or AA meeting in Jacksonville.

ETA: This is not a fact as far as I know, I'm just repeating this to see if we're on the same page regarding the poster.

[bchand]

Hey, I did find a Gonzalez, Raquel in the class of '03. Not seeing a ZG.

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas

Link to Class Names:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[forensicnut]

Oh wow, great catch. You need to post more often.


Well...I just got a new computer, so I just might do that, LOL.

We had a tragic death in our family on December 24th, so I haven't felt much like posting.....

[aubrey04]

OJ's civil trial was after his criminal trial so OJ could not plead the 5th.

This is where Zenaida's attorney is making a mistake.

Also Scott Peterson is trying to delay his civil trial until after his appeal.

Yeah, that is what I thought. Thanks. I don't think Zenaida's lawyers are making a mistake though. If Casey doesn't answer to the lawsuit.. and doesn't show.. doesn't Zenaida win by default? I don't know - I think John Morgan knows exactly what he's doing.

jmo

[SavannahStar]

Well...I just got a new computer, so I just might do that, LOL.

We had a tragic death in our family on December 24th, so I haven't felt much like posting.....

Oh! I'm so sorry! :rose:

[happy2bme]

Hi all! I've been lurking lately, but I thought I'd jump in and see if anyone else caught this....

In the interrogation interview:

SGT. JOHN ALLEN, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: So she seemed happy and (INAUDIBLE)

CASEY ANTHONY: Fine.

ALLEN: Seemed fine, seemed happy?

(CROSSTALK)

CASEY ANTHONY: She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background…

ALLEN: Telling you about a book, telling you — no sign of any type stress at all?

CASEY ANTHONY: Not at all.

ALLEN: Great. That`s wonderful. Now, let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn`t seen you in over a month, and she`s not — she`s…

CASEY ANTHONY: She was excited. She was excited to talk to me. But at the same time, it`s crazy that she didn`t get upset when she talked to me, which had it been my mom, I know it would have been…

ALLEN: Is that another thing…

CASEY ANTHONY: … totally different.

ALLEN: Is that another thing that makes sense to you?

CASEY ANTHONY: She never gets upset when she talks to me, whether I haven`t seen her for an entire day, or if I had to work late at night and I didn`t see him almost an entire day until the next morning.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

Talk about a total contradiction in a short 10 second time span.....


I remember that...

[OneUp]

She worked in LE but not on this case is what I recall. She really had no direct info to share.

Supervisors can be funny. Alot of them probably wouldn't be too happy knowing their employees were posting on a message board all day while they were paying them, but we all do it.LOL...true, too true. Don't we even have a few here who BRAG that they are getting paid while whiling away their hours here? I suppose THAT is nice work if you can get it!
MY supervisor gives me full permission...as long as baby is sleeping or sitting on my lap playing with her little things anyway!...it's a hard job, but someone must do it!
I need a job shopping...maybe I can be a secret shoppper? Come to think of it, that would have been a good one for Casey if she had any imagination. We all can see that she likes spending other peoples money!

I keep thinking of what a waste of TWO lives this case is, first she threw Caylee's away, and in doing so destroyed her own as well! She really had so much more on her side than tons of young women who make something of themselves! I guess "whatever" is wrong with Casey just doomed her from ever achieving normal happiness in life. It's just a real waste of potential. Too bad there wasn't a way or a person who could have helped her direct her tenacity and creativity into a useful venue early on in life.....
JMO.

[marshmallow]

Hi all! I've been lurking lately, but I thought I'd jump in and see if anyone else caught this....

In the interrogation interview:

SGT. JOHN ALLEN, ORANGE COUNTY SHERIFF`S OFFICE: So she seemed happy and (INAUDIBLE)

CASEY ANTHONY: Fine.

ALLEN: Seemed fine, seemed happy?

(CROSSTALK)

CASEY ANTHONY: She seemed perfectly fine. There was nothing in the background…

ALLEN: Telling you about a book, telling you — no sign of any type stress at all?

CASEY ANTHONY: Not at all.

ALLEN: Great. That`s wonderful. Now, let me ask you a question. Your daughter hasn`t seen you in over a month, and she`s not — she`s…

CASEY ANTHONY: She was excited. She was excited to talk to me. But at the same time, it`s crazy that she didn`t get upset when she talked to me, which had it been my mom, I know it would have been…

ALLEN: Is that another thing…

CASEY ANTHONY: … totally different.

ALLEN: Is that another thing that makes sense to you?

CASEY ANTHONY: She never gets upset when she talks to me, whether I haven`t seen her for an entire day, or if I had to work late at night and I didn`t see him almost an entire day until the next morning.

(END AUDIO CLIP)

Talk about a total contradiction in a short 10 second time span.....



to me it sounds like Casey being jealous...feeling Caylee loved her Mom (Cindy)more than she (Caylee) love Casey. Like Casey's saying "Caylee loves my mom so much that she gets upset when she doesn't see her but Caylee could care less when she doesn't see me"


maybe it was a double jealousy for Casey. She felt Cindy loved Caylee more than she loved Casey and that Caylee loved Cindy more than she kloved Casey

[happy2bme]

She worked in LE but not on this case is what I recall. She really had no direct info to share.

Supervisors can be funny. Alot of them probably wouldn't be too happy knowing their employees were posting on a message board all day while they were paying them, but we all do it.

Wasn't the daughter in California?

I never took it that she had direct contact. I thought it was merely her opinion as LE.

[breezie]

I know she didn't work on the case. But the info she gave to her mother came down the line from LE who DID work on the case. That's all I'm saying. And I meant what her supervisor would think of her sharing that info, not her posting on a message board. To my knowledge, she did not. Her mother did (who she gave the info to). The first irregularity is the LE on the case that shared the info, of course. But the daughter was also employed by LE (in another state, IIRC) and just by that fact alone should have known not to be involved with sharing info from other LE directly involved.

That's about as clear as I can make it.


How does this rank in your book as to what Cindy has said and lied about? Your outrage seems a tad misplaced to me.

What earth shattering thing did she even say? That it would be horrible to hear about? Any of us could have said that.

[WillowInFlight]

Well...I just got a new computer, so I just might do that, LOL.

We had a tragic death in our family on December 24th, so I haven't felt much like posting.....

I'm so sorry forensicnut.

[forensicnut]

Oh! I'm so sorry! :rose:

Thank you, sweetie.....

[CANDYKISSES]

:thumbup: I am glad that at least one person here understands where I'm going with this. I really cannot elaborate my reasons why I feel this is the case with Casey. I do want to point out that I have been talking about this since those tapes were released and I get snide comments and people just saying that I'm clueless, uninformed or just a Casey sympathizer every time I bring up that this is definitely something that should be looked into. Anyway, that is the reason why I hesitate to talk about it anymore on these boards. :shrug:

I know you do January, and feel for you. This is the difference for me. When you post something like that, we can RELATE it TO WHAT WE SEE in INTERVIEWS and hear from her friends and family.

When a poster chooses to throw out a theory that further disrespects Caylee Marie Anthony with no evidence or anything they can refer to, it looks pretty ugly and I know Coldwater has distinguished between the two.

I don't rule your theory out as I haven't seen the psych reports but we know they are somewhere now. After all they were ordered right?

The time lag has me thinking about that as a possibility too. That was a difficult thing with our neighbor. She might start a walking regimen with a few of us and days would go by, then she would appear at the door at 7AM like nothing happened. Oh,talk about frustrating.

I see that kind of thing in Casey's timeline of life in the past few years, but without some kind of psych report, we don't know. It could fit IMO.

[aubrey04]

Hey, I did find a Gonzalez, Raquel in the class of '03. Not seeing a ZG.

Casey graduated 2004 and there was a Zenaida that graduated with her from Colonial High in 2004. Her name is Zenaida Arroyo though.

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/

[cuddlyrunner]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12622667#post12622667

[OneUp]

Hey, I did find a Gonzalez, Raquel in the class of '03. Not seeing a ZG.I remember looking at that yearbook site, and being amazed at all of the names she used in her false report that came directly from her HS years. Every part of "The Nanny's" family and associates can be fond there...it is pretty transparent once you begin to notice it.
JMO.

[cuddlyrunner]

hope I did the new thread right-it's been ages since I did one!

[steffaroob4]

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas


I am seeing a much different list, weird
Adalberto (Alby)
Candice
Chayanne
Daniel
Devon
Johathan
Raquel

[smileyjoe]

thank you! finally! I appreciate your 'earthy' statement :)

IMO, it IS as simple as psychopathic behaviour exacerbated by continued exposure to a sociopath.

kind of like two supeheroes meeting up for a showdown.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Ok, I buy that. With this in mind what do you think KC's attachment to Tony was/is?

What did he do for her that fed her need? What exactly was her need?

Anyone have a theory?

Joe.

[MalloryCat]

You're getting your information from a soap opera?

Thank you for that insight. It explains some things. :)

Maybe you dont understand these roles are researched and brought to the public to tell a story, to bring awareness, like breast cancer story lines, and rape, but please by all means dont let that stop you from cleverly barf insulting me.

[bchand]

Wasn't the daughter in California?

I never took it that she had direct contact. I thought it was merely her opinion as LE.

She definitely was no connected to this case, that's correct.

[SavannahStar]

I cant believe somebody would post something that came from LE directly or indirectly...because if anybody concerned was reading they could figure out who they are and what they are doing....Plus its just wrong to fiddle with an investigation.....no specific anything...even if you know <or think. it wont hurt the investigation...


It is wrong, period.

It's being defended I think solely because "we" (on here) appreciated any info we could get our hands on about this case.

And that's understandable.

That doesn't make the actions right though.

Moving onto new thread.........

[coffee1950j]

From WFTV9 video, it does not appear that Baez was actually in the room with Judge Rodriquez. IMO, alleged reprimands may reflect upon the entire team. Who is the female seated behind the table?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18421744/index.html

I think Baez was the man closest to the camera, who was leaning down trying to pick up something he dropped (a pen maybe?), instead of paying attention to the judge.

Don't know who the female is......... maybe the court reporter/secretary? She seemed to be taking notes.

[bchand]

I am seeing a much different list, weird.
Gonzalez, Adalberto (Alby)
Gonzalez, Candice
Gonzalez, Chayanne
Gonzalez, Daniel
Gonzalez, Devon
Gonzalez, Johathan
Gonzalez, Raquel


hmmm check my link steff, Casey is listed on it?

(Although it does say 04.)

There is a Zenaida -

Anthony, Casey
Aquino, Yizette
Arboleda, Jennifer
Arce, Joshua
Arce, Carmen
Arguelles, Annette
Arias, Lina
Arias, Lizbeth
Arnegard, Mikal
Arroyo, Zenaida

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

[cuddlyrunner]

Come over to the new thread-I'm lonely over there. Have pmed Coldwater.


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12622667#post12622667

[steffaroob4]

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas

Link to Class Names:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

OIC, your list is from the 2004 class.

[newsjunkie]

Can't we all just say that she is a spoiled little psycho, that murdered her kid so she could party and have sex with as many guys as possible, while getting even with her crazy mother for trying to run her life because she is a controlling type of person from a disfunctional family?:lol:

Makes a lot more sense to me then all of this "professor" talk.


ITA and I will add she is spiteful and I really think with her parents she could party alot anyway with ot without Caylee around.
I will stick with my theory she did it to hurt her mother , spite and jealousy , and she is a sociopath.

[forensicnut]

I'm so sorry forensicnut. Thank you. My birthday was Xmas day, so it really was sad.

Guess I'd better get back on topic.

It seems everything that comes out of that girl's mouth (Casey) is an immediate contradiction of what she had previously said. She reminds me so much of my psycho 1/2 sister. She can ramble and lie and spin and not miss a beat with her elaborate stories about things that she doesn't even have to lie about. It amazes me and since I didn't grow up with her, I have tried to alienate myself from her....which makes he start telling lies about me. Kinda like the Casey and Jessie relationship.

[SavannahStar]

That is the same question I have for Cindy & George.

Well you have their address. Write them a letter and ask.

[aubrey04]

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas

Link to Class Names:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

Look in the alumni list for 2003. There is a Raquel Gonzalez there. Raquel Gonzalez graduated a year before Casey.. then there was a Zenaida (with different last name) that graduated the same year as Casey (2004).

[breezie]

It is wrong, period.

It's being defended I think solely because "we" (on here) appreciated any info we could get our hands on about this case.

And that's understandable.

That doesn't make the actions right though.

Moving onto new thread.........

what exactly did you learn?

[5boxersmom]

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas

Link to Class Names:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm

Casey's class is 2004. Here is her classmate Zenaida Arroyo. Have I saw that last name in this case before?

[martha]

Hi martha - nothing new except Casey's defense team got a smack down by a judge today for bad conduct.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.htmlThank you honey, That is good. I hope when the triral starts they have a tough judge. I will keep reading on and off all day.jmho

[*MoonRider*]

You're getting your information from a soap opera?

Thank you for that insight. It explains some things. :):lol:
:patriot:

[steffaroob4]

hmmm check my link steff, Casey is listed on it?

(Although it does say 04.)

There is a Zenaida -

Anthony, Casey
Aquino, Yizette
Arboleda, Jennifer
Arce, Joshua
Arce, Carmen
Arguelles, Annette
Arias, Lina
Arias, Lizbeth
Arnegard, Mikal
Arroyo, Zenaida

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htm


I thought Remy's question was about the '03 class, sorry for the confusion.

[cuddlyrunner]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12622667#post12622667


come on over folks-this thread may close :-)

[Neffy]

Long answer shortened, when a person with DID has not integrated her alters through treatment, as a general rule, most of the alters are unaware of the others. They have distinct personalities and jobs to do, and when one is "out," the rest are "in" and unaware. The primary personality typically experiences periods when an alter is "out" as a memory lapse. Through integration via treatment, the alters come to be aware of one another, toward the goal of becoming one, more or less.

It's a fascinating disorder and a tribute, imo, to what our minds are capable of toward helping us survive horrendous treatment. It's no way to live, however, and I don't think most of us would consider even a fully integrated sufferer as a happy, well-adjusted personality.

Imo, of course.

Then of course we have Casey who likes to party and lie using her alter ego of pretending to be something that she KNOWS she's not.

[nothingnew]

she might not be so little anymore...she's been porkin' down the pork rinds and poptarts lately. :biggrin:

That will come in handy when she gets to her 'final destination', BIG Casey can protect herself better than tiny, little "she (Caylee) is almost as big as I am!"

[bchand]

From WFTV9 video, it does not appear that Baez was actually in the room with Judge Rodriquez. IMO, alleged reprimands may reflect upon the entire team. Who is the female seated behind the table?
http://www.wftv.com/video/18421744/index.html

Kathi Belich states in the video that Jonathan Kasen (sp?) is handling this civic case for Casey. The other Casey Anthony lawyer speaking is Jose Garcia.

[Motomom]

"most of the alters are unaware of the others"- This is not accurate. However, I just want to move on from this subject. Learned the hard way about talking about this on these boards, so, I'll defer to you.

Oh well, before you or anyone else moves on i have a question. With MPD, do the alternate personalities remember what they have said or done? i think we would have seen one of the personalities come out andI haven't seen that. But with someone with mpd, would an alternate know that they were in trouble and not come out? I hope I made sense.

[OneUp]

Nope, only these Gonzalez's graduated in that class:

Gonzalez Argelica
Gonzalez Candice
Gonzalez Daniel
Gonzalez Jonathan
Gonzalez Kaitlin
Gonzalez Tatiana
Gonzalez Thomas

Link to Class Names:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2004.htmRaquel Gonzalez is in the class of '03....not '04.
There is also a Ferrell (James), as in Raquel Ferrell whom Casey claimed worked at TGIFridays IIRC...the roomie and buddy of Z F-G. ETA: Ferrell is in the class of 2004)
I am pretty sure all of the names of the major players in Casey's version of what went down can be found in her HS class and the one before/after her year. I remember looking for them.
It is really odd to say the least..though neither Gonzalez nor Fernandez is an uncommon name. I am pretty certain IMO that she took the names from girls she remembered from HS.
JMO.

Class of '03 too, FYI:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2003.htm

[Mimi428]

Hi January. I really don't think it's MPD, but don't doubt that it's not possible. I think that Casey was very jealous of Caylee, she wasn't getting the attention she deserved (in her own mind that is). She knew how bad those parents were missing Caylee, wanting her home. Remember when she told them or maybe it was just George that "I'm still here". I kind of think that she wanted or hoped or thought that they would just move on. After all she was still there. Caylee was getting all the attention and casey didn't like it. We can tell, or at least I can tell, the personality Caylee had just through her pictures. Very sad for Cindy and George, they have lost so much.

Nutshell. ITA, all the "I'm' still here, I like bagels, we are the same size, what a total waste - all anyone wants to talk about is Caylee" - ALL of those things, to me, are related to Casey's aggravation at everyone anywhere being interested in anything other than what SHE wants.

When she is trying to mimic real care & concern, she talks about Caylee for a little bit, as if mentioning her casually is sufficient, but she invariably inserts herself back into the conversation by
comparing herself to the person she knows is the focus of the attention - Caylee.

When the conversation does not automatically return to discussing Casey's needs, wants, desires, but continues to focus on Caylee, she then tries to re-direct it back to herself - "I
like bagels".

Casey can comprehend that cute & tiny little girls do get attention, so she attempts to portray herself as just like the cute & tiny little girl who IS getting attention - Caylee. But she cannot comprehend WHY Caylee gets it, other than because she is little & cute - so she grabs on to that aspect, "but I am little - & cute, TOO".

I agree with Candy about that remark about the two of them being the same size pretty much knocked me over, too. Whoa! is right.

[Lavenia]

We're talking about all of you over on the new thread. :tonguewag: If you want to know what we're saying, you better come over! :lol:

[marshmallow]

Long answer shortened, when a person with DID has not integrated her alters through treatment, as a general rule, most of the alters are unaware of the others. They have distinct personalities and jobs to do, and when one is "out," the rest are "in" and unaware. The primary personality typically experiences periods when an alter is "out" as a memory lapse. Through integration via treatment, the alters come to be aware of one another, toward the goal of becoming one, more or less.

It's a fascinating disorder and a tribute, imo, to what our minds are capable of toward helping us survive horrendous treatment. It's no way to live, however, and I don't think most of us would consider even a fully integrated sufferer as a happy, well-adjusted personality.

Imo, of course.

I'm not talking about integration of the "hers", I'm talking about Casey having Zanny have a father, a sister, neices, nephews, a mother, a specific car, a car accident, a hospital stay, a complete life....none of those things are real and none of them actually happened so how could she be this other person in her mind if the actions of that person did not happen?

[bchand]

Raquel Gonzalez is in the class of '03....not '04.
There is also a Ferrell (James), as in Raquel Ferrell whom Casey claimed worked at TGIFridays IIRC...the roomie and buddy of Z F-G. ETA: Ferrell is in the class of 2004)
I am pretty sure all of the names of the major players in Casey's version of what went down can be found in her HS class and the one before/after her year. I remember looking for them.
It is really odd to say the least..though neither Gonzalez nor Fernandez is an uncommon name. I am pretty certain IMO that she took the names from girls she remembered from HS.
JMO.

Class of '03 too, FYI:

http://www.colonialhigh.ocps.net/alumni/2003.htm

Ok, I've only had Casey's class bookmarked. Got it now...sorry for the confusion.

[Neffy]

You're getting your information from a soap opera?

Thank you for that insight. It explains some things. :)

:scared: Holy Smokes! That changes things up a bit :)

[nothingnew]

Because I am couch dweller, I watch soaps, and on One Life To Live they have done a DID storyline for years, including right now, I am watching this actress and shes fab, they research these diseases to bring awareness. If you want to see a great example of DID, youtube jess and tess, or Niki and Viki.

Personally, I don't think Casey has DID.

jmo

Thanks for the information on the soaps. I don't think she has DID either, but that is NOW-when I first heard her LE interviews it was some sort of explanation because I have never seen in person/live such a being. I hear all sorts of scary stories of true blue criminally insane committed to hospital people but I never "see" the subjects, Thank God. Just think of how much we will all have to discuss once the trial(s) start-makes me dizzy already!

[cuddlyrunner]

Last call for the new thread!!!!


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12622667#post12622667

[OneUp]

Ok, I buy that. With this in mind what do you think KC's attachment to Tony was/is?

What did he do for her that fed her need? What exactly was her need?

Anyone have a theory?

Joe.Yep, IMO she saw a life as "the DJ's Woman" as being glamorous, enviable, jet setting, fun. She was attached to the idea of who she would be if attached to him. I personally don't see the appeal but for a girl like Casey, a flashy life of partying and socializing may have seemed very carefree and glamorous.
IMO, sociopaths and psychopaths don't really have much of a real identity...it is more about the role they are playing and reflecting the people they surround themselves with....I think they tend to pick jobs and lifestyles that they feel others will envy, ones that prove they are "the best".
JMO.
ETA: Sometimes these are REAL Jobs, and sometimes just lies and exaggerations.

[JLP]

I understand why it takes so long for cases to come to trial but what in the world is taking so long to bury this little angel?

I dont get it.

[Calla]

It IS possible. Some persona's have a complete history and a family line or set of friends that don't exist anywhere else but inside their own heads and are completely unrelated to the core persona. I really gotta run though. BBL. K?

I read that into Baez 's comment about the whole story being told.(or whatever it was he said)

Well if she doesn't have this condition, & he reads this stuff, it may be the only route to go.
Seems all other routes , barring admitting out and out murder, are a no go.

Since you and I like going to this possibility...maybe Lee's comment about 'this not being like last time' refers to a black out..where she didnt know where she left the child.

I know some readers will poo poo it but if left to write the story with only what we have to go on, this is as good as any book I've read.

[NYGalPal]

Because I am couch dweller, I watch soaps, and on One Life To Live they have done a DID storyline for years, including right now, I am watching this actress and shes fab, they research these diseases to bring awareness. If you want to see a great example of DID, youtube jess and tess, or Niki and Viki.

Personally, I don't think Casey has DID.

jmo

Well thanks for letting us know where you get your info ti post. Do you not know soap operas aren't real?

[JLP]

Yep, IMO she saw a life as "the DJ's Woman" as being glamorous, enviable, jet setting, fun. She was attached to the idea of who she would be if attached to him. I personally don't see the appeal but for a girl like Casey, a flashy life of partying and socializing may have seemed very carefree and glamorous.
IMO, sociopaths and psychopaths don't really have much of a real identity...it is more about the role they are playing and reflecting the people they surround themselves with....I think they tend to pick jobs and lifestyles that they feel others will envy, ones that prove they are "the best".
JMO.
ETA: Sometimes these are REAL Jobs, and sometimes just lies and exaggerations.

I agree, she looked for what others could offer her, not the other way around.

[ishkabibble]

Very interesting. Do you have a link?

casey is class of 2004, she had a zenaida arroyo in her class, but I believe there were zenaida's in previous years

[Neffy]

Maybe you dont understand these roles are researched and brought to the public to tell a story, to bring awareness, like breast cancer story lines, and rape, but please by all means dont let that stop you from cleverly barf insulting me.

Soap Operas are a public service that you use as a resource? Alrighty then! :blink: I wish I knew that early on.

Tx for the information.

[nothingnew]

You're getting your information from a soap opera?

Thank you for that insight. It explains some things. :)

Gee, maybe Mallory Cat gathers information from multiple sources like oh, I don't know life, television, newspapers, society? In my opinion the only way one can learn is by keeping an open mind. But what the heck, that might just be me.

[NYGalPal]

Maybe you dont understand these roles are researched and brought to the public to tell a story, to bring awareness, like breast cancer story lines, and rape, but please by all means dont let that stop you from cleverly barf insulting me.

Incorrect, I have friends who work on All My Children. Most of stories are taken from real life and end up fictional. There is no credibliy. It is insulting for you to take a story line and try to convince is here that this is the truth and Casey doesn't have DID. You keep making claims "I know this and I know that". It is all based on this fantasy world you watch.

[Pruddennce]

The problem is if more people thought like me, the Mental Health pros' would be out of business and no one would be on Death row for 10 years........professionaly speaking of course:laugh:

yes, I understand that reasoning :)...but I DO believe it is as simple as it seems, despite the endless distractions.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[breezie]

What about their expenses? Did you factor that into your gross profit margin?

so earning a living off of selling your dead granddaughter's image is ok if you have offsetting expenses? HUH?

[CANDYKISSES]

:scared: Holy Smokes! That changes things up a bit :)


Why yes, yes it does. I wonder who the sympathy character is on OLTL? I think that story line has paid off here on this forum ten times over.

Mallory, FYI...when they are doing something educational such as sexual assault awareness, child abuse awareness, and the ilk, they make an announcement AAGR and send you to other places for the RESOURCES IMO. Like the new V8 CAMPAIGN for fruits and veggies. JMOOC.

[breezie]

Show me proof that they have earned a living selling those images, by way of financial documents, and then ask me the question.


well...nobody's working and the bills are apparently being paid. I'd LOVE to see them. You'll have to ask your pal Mallory to ask her pal Cindy to fork them over, though. No way she's going to admit it or show the records. Sure wish Garrison would show his hand. I bet his is VERY interesting.

[cuddlyrunner]

We're on page 3 of the new thread!! You're all behind


http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12622667#post12622667

[breezie]

How do you know their bills are being paid? Do you have proof of cable, phone, gas..etc as paid. How do you know their house isn;t in the beginning stages of forclosure? Do you have proof that they haven't received assistance from family, friends, or strangers, specifically offered to help with their daily expenses. Proof please. Without proof.. its none of anyone's business.

I've seen the lights on. And their stuff is still in the house. Hasn't been foreclosed. But you knew that. :glare:

[trt]

I remember that...

I do too...it was classic. My favorite part was when Det. Allen asked her "OK the last time you went 31 days without seeing your daughter was...?" in response to Casey's *she's always like that*.

[Carol25]

http://www.wesh.com/news/18422273/detail.html
The judge has ordered a hearing Thursday to hear arguments on whether Casey should be deposed.

I haven't heard anything abou the Anthony's that was supposed to take place last Dec. It should be sometime after the funeral.

[BobbisAngel]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.


The Pros is supposed to turn over pictures of the bones and something else to the defense. Now if the defense did a second autopsy why would they need the Pros pictures, etc. They could take their own.
I don't think they ever intended to do a second autopsy but just said that because it was another thing they could whine about and created more paperwork for the judge and more time in court. I don't know why
the Anthonys would put up with that. It is delaying the buriel of Caylee and also the services for her. Maybe they don't have any say so though as it is Casey's attorneys that are holding everything up and the Anthonys have custody of the body. I guess if it bothered them their attorney could file some paperwork demanding they get on the ball and do the 2nd autopsy. Good grief, it is only bones that they have to look at...not a whole intact body.

[BobbisAngel]

Well, I think that's the real issue: IF THIS VIDEO REALLY DID EXIST. There doesn't seem to be any proof of that now. First, I think it's good to identify who these PIs are. Apparently Dominic Casey worked for Baez until he was let go October 1st, and then he approached the Anthonys to work for them. Hoover, the supposed photographer, was really nothing more than a 'hanger on', a fellow who approached the Anthonys and agreed to assist with security for them at no charge. He inserted himself into this whole thing with no invitation, I understand, and did not work with or for D. Casey. I think what we have here is another guy looking for some free advertizing/publicity. I do think they may have been in that general area because of Kiomarie's information, but that's as far as it goes.


But what difference would it make if teens did hang out in that area? I don't see how that has anything to do with Caylee missing. I remember Mr. Casey said he took pictures of that area and then went on to look for a live Caylee. Being out there just makes no sense to me.

[CANDYKISSES]

well...nobody's working and the bills are apparently being paid. I'd LOVE to see them. You'll have to ask your pal Mallory to ask her pal Cindy to fork them over, though. No way she's going to admit it or show the records. Sure wish Garrison would show his hand. I bet his is VERY interesting.

Breezie, apparently the courts are about to learn otherwise too....

I left a post for Exiled on the new thread where the prosecution alleges just that IMO. That's why the prosecution is withholding turning over the pics of the victim after she was found. :crying:

[WhiteShark]

But he did with the bug evidence he knew was bogus. I know Feldman was investigated - the prosecution was livid. He was on thin ice and apparently things ruled in Feldman's favor. I must admit that Feldman was/is a better attorney than Baez. Not sure Baez has the experience to survive an investigation. imo

LOL, I couldn't stand that man. Remember his so-called " toothache"...LOL

[breezie]

Oh sorry. I was unaware that you have been a visitor in their home.

You couldn't PAY me to step foot in that toxic house. I do watch news clips though. But you knew that, didn't you. :rolleyes: