Tuesday Jan 6th. - Part 1

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm giddy. :lol: Casey Anthony Files Counter Suit Against Alleged Nanny
Lawyers Claim Zenaida Gonzalez Sought To Profit From High-Profile Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/17984669/detail.html

Why did Baez file the counter suit then ask for delay :thumbsup:

Me thinks Casey will be deposed.

I know Moonie, another bumbling, boneheaded baez blunder..........:biggrin: Thus assuring Mr. Morgan the opportunity to deposed casey anthony. I loved it then, and I'm still loving the stupid maneuvers of no way jose baez now!!

[WillowInFlight]

Up for a Darwin Award, that one is.:thumbsup:

:lol:I wonder when the light bulb is going to come on.

[bballgrl]

Well I guess I am alone in this opinion......thats cool though.....And I do respect everyones opinions here. Most of them are very well thought out. I still have an issue with this MR though.

I guess we will see!!!


Actually Mac, I am not 100% sure it's all coincidence myself. I do not think the MR had anything to do with this or is involved with cover up, but earlier I put forth a "what if" scenario about him hearing something from someone and his conscience made him search.... It's just a thought.... Again, I don't think he did anything wrong, but I feel like he may have had more than a "hunch" about the area... I am probably not making any sense... sorry....

[Dunlurken]

OFGS, read Kiomarie's interview with LE. That's all this guy had to know. Instead of brushing it aside he actually LOOKED where she said they hung out. That, plus all Casey's "code talk" to Lee doesn't take a brainiac to figure out she was TELLING them right where to look.

sorry, not yelling at you...........just at this whole line of thought that the guy had to be tipped off. Well, he WAS by KM and Casey.

Frankly, when listening to Lee's conversations with Casey at the jail....."should I be looking north, south, places where I've been before". Something to that affect. Casey was telling Lee where the body was. IMVHO.

[happy2bme]

I think the type of litter in that section of the woods would be things like beer bottles, candy wrappers, chip bags, condoms, coke cans--small stuff from teens hanging out there.

A garbage bag, however, might attract attention. imo

IMO ...I would think people who lived in Orlando and had watched the coverage of this case probally noticed alot of things that any other time would not have been thought of. If that makes sense.

[destiny1]

I feel some Federal charges coming along for a whole lot of people.

[*MoonRider*]

He's going to be needing some extra support from Geraldo this weekend. I feel it coming. :tongue:

Where's Katprint? I think Baez screwed up royally by filing the counter suit. As my mom would say to Baez "your ignorance is showing":tonguewag:

[kitty1182]

I've wondered about this connection of Joy Wray. Is she married to one of the PI's and she says she was working with TES? It just seems there's too many convenient connections for this woman to say she was on a search there taking pictures (which I don't think was allowed). Then she could say I can prove Caylee wasn't there...yada...yada... yada.... I have this video.... So someone must have put her there later.

But alas there was a MR who saw something there in August but nobody knew....

I wonder if she has posted here.

[Lavenia]

I'm giddy. :lol: Casey Anthony Files Counter Suit Against Alleged Nanny
Lawyers Claim Zenaida Gonzalez Sought To Profit From High-Profile Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/17984669/detail.html

Why did Baez file the counter suit then ask for delay :thumbsup:

Me thinks Casey will be deposed.

I have no further questions. :thumbsup:

[8BellesFan]

Where's Katprint? I think Baez screwed up royally by filing the counter suit. As my mom would say to Baez "your ignorance is showing":tonguewag:

can he not seek advice from "the dream team"?

[tybek]

I hope so...because I sure believe that MR over anyone else in this case....JMO

I think if the MR is guilty of anything, at worse it is of being a little obsessed with finding this baby's body moreso than her own family (and perhaps to the extent that it interfered with doing his job.) I can't fault him for that at all, I mean how many of us on this board were also somewhat obsessed with Caylee, her well-being and her being found even though most of us had little opportunity to help find her? If I lived in the area and had cause or opportunity to be out and about, you bet I'd have been scanning everything and everywhere to find her. He is a Meter Reader and was out in the area already. I don't find his actions suspicious. JMO

[Pooh]

Where's Katprint? I think Baez screwed up royally by filing the counter suit. As my mom would say to Baez "your ignorance is showing":tonguewag:

I think you're right about that. He's trying to play on the big kids playground and he doesn't know enough about how to get along yet. Holy Cow - Casey sure picked a winner, didn't she?! :biggrin:

[Tokyo Rose]

I feel some Federal charges coming along for a whole lot of people.

Federal charges?? How so??

[Lavenia]

:lol:I wonder when the light bulb is going to come on.

When there's something to power it! :biggrin:

[desmom]

Which would lead one to conclude the body was placed there after August. But, then we have Tim Miller coming in saying that the bag appeared to have been left there for a long time because the leaves under the bag were brown, not green. Which would make it appear as though the body had been there for a long time. However, if the body was underwater, when did the scattering of the bones happen?

sorry for being graphic, but we had better get used to this sort of stuff, because it will come out in the trial. JMO.

I disagree. The bag could have been there since June 16. That wooded area appears to be pretty large on Google Earth maps.

The bones scatter...I am not familiar with the critters in Florida or may inhabit this area. Around here, I would say raccoons, possums, fox, wild dogs, feral cats......

jmo

[destiny1]

He never said anything about that...he went in, kicked the bag......and that's about it.
I'm aware that he never said, but something had to tip him off for the first three instances. Now he goes and kicks the bag?

I think he was concerned and someone who was close to casey and/or the anthonys kpt egging him on to go there. whoever it was knew what had possibly made him suspicious because they knew what was 'buried' with Caylee. Just speculating.

[Dunlurken]

I feel some Federal charges coming along for a whole lot of people.

Me too! They know who they are. Grab their passports quickly LE.

[Pooh]

can he not seek advice from "the dream team"?

He pulled this blunder long before the "team" was assembled. What a doof!

[WillowInFlight]

I think you're right about that. He's trying to play on the big kids playground and he doesn't know enough about how to get along yet. Holy Cow - Casey sure picked a winner, didn't she?! :biggrin:

Yes she did, thank God.

[Barbara fl.]

I can't imagine her winning that suit.


No, I don't see her winning any suit either....I believe that Casey had already told LE that she wasn't the "Zenaida"....If that was the case, anyone bearing that name would be able to sue....JMO


However, if they allow this suit to go ahead of the trial Casey would have to take the stand...although she might take the fifth on it but it will still make her take the stand.....I'd like to see that....

Plus...unlike what LP has predicted...Casey DID talk about Zenaida way before this ever happened...she made up that name way before the real Zebaida ever went to the Sawgrass looking for an apartment....so, I really don't see the sense in ZG sticking to this case.....just another one out of the woodwork....IMO

[Libertie]

CAYLEE'S BONES GOING TO SIT WITH CAYLEES BONES!

I beg to differ.. quite disrepectful when your talking of remains in a funeral home.

"Of course I know Mallory is not in the clique of favored posters :sad:......that may have something to do with your take on it."
I don't think so but thanks Dr. Phil.

I was responding to your post and your take explaining mine. No need for an explantion NOW that I know what she's referring to. It's how she refers to it I take issue with.Caylee's remains may have been placed in a sealed coffin for now and that is what they are sitting with in the funeral home. IMO .

[Lorna]

Pardon please if this has already been posted. I found this with the search option and found it interesting.

Originally Posted by Little Bitty
I hope they do save all of the info for their big day in court as well. Baez is still testing venues...lol. As far as the circus, true they can tolerate the where is caylee stuff...but what if they had proof that this is a farce? that certain falsehoods are knowingly being perpetuated? I wonder then. Just legging swinging food for thought,

Incidentally, I just popped a bag of what lists itself as buttered popcorn...and there is no butter? What is this? ugghhh....LB wanted fattening buttery popcorn not this crud.

Originally Posted by Little Bitty
I tried posting earlier. Two responses and my screen froze both times. As to what Lee knows I can't answer...I can tell you this much. My source said it was huge and would effectively stop this circus. I don't float bs not my thing. I have posted here often and claim to know no one connected to this case (anthonys, friends, LE/state, etc...) but I do know that if LE/state/FBI has evidence of a falsehood that is knowingly being perpetuated that it can't be allowed to continue...

Sorry for the delay. i hate when my computer freezes up and it is new.

Originally Posted by Little Bitty
You and me both. I BEGGED I mean BEGGED to know exactly what it was. I was told no. Then I was like, "Why did you tell me?" Which is exactly what I am doing to ya'll. But I figured if anyone deserves to know it is this board. Something very interesting and wicked this way comes. I asked, "Is it a BOMBSHELL????" and the mean little bird said, "Does a bird like bird seed?" and I was like, "Listen up bird, I have known you for ten years. Tell me or no Christmas present for you." And little mean evil bird says, "Nice try. Didn't you already tell me that my present was in the mail?" and Little Bitty stamps her foot dramatically and says, "Oh chit. Well...no present next year then..." Seriously. I hate withholding...and if I were privvy to all of the dirty stuff than I would seriously pm it. Seriously. Little Bitty will not be buying any bird seed next year. And I KNOW you read the boards stupid, evil, mean bird. You are off Little Bitty's list of most important friends and have been downgraded to subpar friend of Bitty.

Now all of this was posted on December 9th. Might mean something, might mean nothing. lol

[Neffy]

:lol:I wonder when the light bulb is going to come on.

Picture Baez and Casey in the first seat of a roller coaster hands up screaming going down a never ending hill. :w00t::w00t:

[Carol25]

I know Moonie, another bumbling, boneheaded baez blunder..........:biggrin: Thus assuring Mr. Morgan the opportunity to deposed casey anthony. I loved it then, and I'm still loving the stupid maneuvers of no way jose baez now!!
If Jose had anything to do with the videoing of that area earlier, I'd say he has a file of stupid maneuvers! I wonder if the PI's were just making some copies for themselves for some extra cash?

[SandyO]

IMO, he did not know what the baby was in. He was driving down the road and noticed something white in the brush a couple blocks from a missing baby's home. He called it in.

How wonder how many people in the Orlando area stopped and looked through trash bags that had been dumped in the last 6 months?

jmo

What we DO know, Desmom, is that LE was overwhelmed with hundreds of 'tips' daily, especially in late July and August. It must have been impossible to weed the 'credible' from the others. It would have required to entire US Army to pitch in to inspect all the garbage bags thrown in the swamps and other isolated areas.

[Dunlurken]

I'm aware that he never said, but something had to tip him off for the first three instances. Now he goes and kicks the bag?

I think he was concerned and someone who was close to casey and/or the anthonys kpt egging him on to go there. whoever it was knew what had possibly made him suspicious because they knew what was 'buried' with Caylee. Just speculating.

We're all on the same page. Someone KNEW where the body was. Casey? George? Lee? Cindy? Lenny? Kronk? It wasn't an accident Caylee was found. JMO.

[Pooh]

I am familiar with the story but not the trial case but he did not plead innocent did he? His attorney did not put on an alternate theory knowing that it wasnt possible because his client already told him where the body was did he?

No - Westerfield wanted the death penalty taken off the table if he told where the body was. LE found it first, thank goodness. Westerfield was sentenced to death and that POS attorney is still practicing. Unbelieveable.

[Neffy]

When there's something to power it! :biggrin:


:thumbsup:

[101Spots]

:lol:I wonder when the light bulb is going to come on.

It's burned out. Heck, it was only 4 watts - no big loss.

[Lavenia]

Caylee's remains may have been placed in a sealed coffin for now and that is what they are sitting with in the funeral home. IMO .

That was the one and only thought I had when I heard that they were sitting with her.

[desmom]

OFGS, read Kiomarie's interview with LE. That's all this guy had to know. Instead of brushing it aside he actually LOOKED where she said they hung out. That, plus all Casey's "code talk" to Lee doesn't take a brainiac to figure out she was TELLING them right where to look.

sorry, not yelling at you...........just at this whole line of thought that the guy had to be tipped off. Well, he WAS by KM and Casey.

I agree!

It seems anymore people just don't want to get involved if they see something suspicious. I am very glad Mr. Kronk did!

jmo

[CANDYKISSES]

Where's Katprint? I think Baez screwed up royally by filing the counter suit. As my mom would say to Baez "your ignorance is showing":tonguewag:

She was on earlier. Hopefully she will see this soon. I too thought the counter was a big mistake. He is so full of himself and I think it's going to bite back if Nick Savage finds his hand in the PI TAPE ISSUE IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

I think you're right about that. He's trying to play on the big kids playground and he doesn't know enough about how to get along yet. Holy Cow - Casey sure picked a winner, didn't she?! :biggrin:

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm like, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

How's that working out for you Casey?

[tybek]

It depends on what the definition of "a long time" is. Could it mean 6 months, 5 months, 4 months or 3 months?

JMO

IIRC, Miller didn't just say "a long time"...he went further and said he felt the body had been there since Caylee disappeared.

[SandyO]

Originally Posted by Little Bitty

Sorry for the delay. i hate when my computer freezes up and it is new.


I don't think it's your computer, Bitty ---- mine is new, too, (Vista) and I'm having the SAME problem. Have to keep re-booting.

[Dunlurken]

I am familiar with the story but not the trial case but he did not plead innocent did he? His attorney did not put on an alternate theory knowing that it wasnt possible because his client already told him where the body was did he?

Got a question. What alternate theory could Baez assert than Casey killed her child?

[court~critic1®]

I would be willing to bet that the LE has investigated the MR every which way. Including if he had any connections to the Ants, or anyone else involed in this case.

I believe they found NONE, and that is why he has not been charged with anything. All I can say is, thank God that this MR, for what ever reason, found the remains of this child Caylee. I don't care why he went into the woods.

Thank you MR.

[SavannahStar]

You may very well be right, but the issue where disbarment comes into play is him knowing where Caylee's body was from Casey and still putting on an alternate theory he knows is not true. That is suborning perjury and he will lose his license. If there is now proof he knew it screws up her entire defense because he will now step very carefully knowing LE will know the truth too.

I see what you're saying now. Well at least that case does answer some questions.

And all this is IF he knew where her body was. I'm not 100% convinced of that yet.

[5boxersmom]

But why would Baez and Casey want the body found? Wasn't their case better without it?

[Barbara fl.]

I think if the MR is guilty of anything, at worse it is of being a little obsessed with finding this baby's body moreso than her own family (and perhaps to the extent that it interfered with doing his job.) I can't fault him for that at all, I mean how many of us on this board were also somewhat obsessed with Caylee, her well-being and her being found even though most of us had little opportunity to help find her? If I lived in the area and had cause or opportunity to be out and about, you bet I'd have been scanning everything and everywhere to find her. He is a Meter Reader and was out in the area already. I don't find his actions suspicious. JMO

Me too, I live about an hour away and really don't have the time to go back and forth, but if I did, I too would have been searching every hedge and bush...I do not find anything wrong with what the MR did...it also became an obsession with him as well and his panned out....And LP, with all his deep sea divers in Blanchard park couldn't do it and that is why he became so upset at this MR....Knowing LP, he probably would have expected the MR to call him and let him know where it was, so that he could make the find......JMO

[SavannahStar]

Savannah, that's a good piece of investigation. My complements!


Thank you, January.

[Neffy]

Got a question. What alternate theory could Baez assert than Casey killed her child?

He's still waiting for that to come in on the TIP LINE.

[Pooh]

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm like, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

How's that working out for you Casey?

HA! I heard that on the jailhouse video when she talked to Lee. Nice idea to get a referral from an INMATE! Dummy. OMG - someone who tries to look so intelligent is looking so NOT!

[Barbara fl.]

Question about this civil lawsuit for Zanaida Gonzales....

If the judge allows this to go forward before the murder trial, how does Casey's "right to remain silent" come in. Can she plead the 5th during a deposition or does she have to answer their questions?

No, she can plead the fifth....but knowing her...she will probably want to tell more lies and Baez wont be able to shut her up......

[ishkabibble]

I wondered about that also. It was said on one of the shows that Casey would have to give permission to anyone wanting to do the arrangements.

If this is true, there's no pressure on Casey to do anything regarding Caylee's funeral , her parents/Lee aren't visiting her, so she doesn't have to come up with any excuses/reasons for the delay. She has got to know how it is hurting GA/CA, to not be able to lay her to rest.

[destiny1]

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm like, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

How's that working out for you Casey?
Inmates tend to know which attorneys are good and which are not so good.


She is an accused baby killer. before she was even arrested for murder, don't you all believe that some inmates could have had strong feelings about her one way or the other? someone may have wanted to get her. Its jailhouse justice.

[SandyO]

No - Westerfield wanted the death penalty taken off the table if he told where the body was. LE found it first, thank goodness. Westerfield was sentenced to death and that POS attorney is still practicing. Unbelieveable.

I thought no case would ever trouble me again as much as that one did --- we often camp at The Strand where Westerfield did. His attorneys were downright disgusting. This case has me just as involved as that one did.

[jammies]

He's still waiting for that to come in on the TIP LINE.


snicker! :laugh:

[dohinmom]

Hi all,

I am sorry if this has been discussed already but I am wondering ifthere are any lawyers on this board that can answer this question for me.

If the video exists, and is not erased over, is it work product and therefore priveleged or not? I am so sick of listening to NG and her TH lawyers argue back and forth about it. I am not a lawyer but surely it either is or is not. IMO

Even if it is priveleged, it is not LE's fault that the dumb*** PI admitted that he had it in the first place. IMO

Take care,

dolphinmom

[*MoonRider*]

Question about this civil lawsuit for Zanaida Gonzales....

If the judge allows this to go forward before the murder trial, how does Casey's "right to remain silent" come in. Can she plead the 5th during a deposition or does she have to answer their questions?

IMO the case should have been settled. OJ had to testify during his civil trial. Since Baez filed a counter suit I think she will have to be deposed. Where are our lawyer friends??

[CANDYKISSES]

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm like, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

How's that working out for you Casey?

You forgot the best part. Jose was on the scene with his briefcase the next day.....:wub:

[destiny1]

If he went in there because he was told to go there, wouldn't you find that interesting?


It is very interesting indeed, but was he being used because of his concern? was he goaded into going back in there? I would like to see the trail. "daisy chain'

[desmom]

What we DO know, Desmom, is that LE was overwhelmed with hundreds of 'tips' daily, especially in late July and August. It must have been impossible to weed the 'credible' from the others. It would have required to entire US Army to pitch in to inspect all the garbage bags thrown in the swamps and other isolated areas.

I cannot imagine trying to wade through all the stuff they were getting at that time. I tried reading the tips that were released in one of the document dumps. in a wooded area near a bush with yellow flowers; in a wooded area near a bush with blue flowers; near water with blue flowers................... jmo

[Neffy]

Casey later revealed the startling way she trusted other inmates to recommend Baez as her attorney.

"And they flat out asked me if I had anyone yet. I said. 'No,' and his name came up, and I'm like, 'Well, if he's good, could you do me a favor and pass my name along,'" Casey explained.

How's that working out for you Casey?

That's right! How funny is that? I mean C'mon. This inmate is probably ROFL since Baez was probably her attorney and look where it got her!

[Barbara fl.]

Originally Posted by Little Bitty

Sorry for the delay. i hate when my computer freezes up and it is new.


I don't think it's your computer, Bitty ---- mine is new, too, (Vista) and I'm having the SAME problem. Have to keep re-booting.



Oh Sandy...I got worried there for a minute.....following the last thing we had posted.....glad you got your competer back up....two weeks ago I had to put this one in the shop for 2 days....

[tybek]

Me too, I live about an hour away and really don't have the time to go back and forth, but if I did, I too would have been searching every hedge and bush...I do not find anything wrong with what the MR did...it also became an obsession with him as well and his panned out....And LP, with all his deep sea divers in Blanchard park couldn't do it and that is why he became so upset at this MR....Knowing LP, he probably would have expected the MR to call him and let him know where it was, so that he could make the find......JMO

ITA about LP. I think LP is horrible megalomaniac and I wish he would just go away. Sadly he won't and unfortunately he has probably suceeded in interjecting himself into the trial as well.

[8BellesFan]

But why would Baez and Casey want the body found? Wasn't their case better without it?


of course, but I think neither of them can resist being the orchestra leader

[MalloryCat]

Inmates tend to know which attorneys are good and which are not so good.


She is an accused baby killer. before she was even arrested for murder, don't you all believe that some inmates could have had strong feelings about her one way or the other? someone may have wanted to get her. Its jailhouse justice.

Is Susan Smith still alive?

[WillowInFlight]

You forgot the best part. Jose was on the scene with his briefcase the next day.....:wub:

And lets not forget that Casey told Baez she had 5000.00 in the bank.:rolleyes:

[court~critic1®]

If he went in there because he was told to go there, wouldn't you find that interesting?


No, I would have to know just whom told him to go in there, and why. I am sure the LE has investigated this. To my knowledge they have found nothing to connect him to anyone involved with this case.

[WillowInFlight]

Is Susan Smith still alive?

Yes she is.

[Regina.Lampert]

Picture Baez and Casey in the first seat of a roller coaster hands up screaming going down a never ending hill. :w00t::w00t:

Yep, with Sybil at the switch.

[Pooh]

I thought no case would ever trouble me again as much as that one did --- we often camp at The Strand where Westerfield did. His attorneys were downright disgusting. This case has me just as involved as that one did.

Same here! That was my first case and I was taping CTV during the day and watching at night. Evil defense attorney. I still love the prosecutor in that case. He was GREAT!

I think Casey bit the big one when her name was floated to Baez. He opened the candy bar with the golden ticket. But with all his blunders, he's not looking too good. Should've passed that candy bar on to someone else. But it's a wonderful thing for us that this bozo is on board.

[AbbyNormal]

Well I guess I am alone in this opinion......thats cool though.....And I do respect everyones opinions here. Most of them are very well thought out. I still have an issue with this MR though.

I guess we will see!!!Hi Mac ~ I am waiting for more information to come out. I do agree, there are too many coincidences to be simple coincidence!

[ishkabibble]

Me too, I live about an hour away and really don't have the time to go back and forth, but if I did, I too would have been searching every hedge and bush...I do not find anything wrong with what the MR did...it also became an obsession with him as well and his panned out....And LP, with all his deep sea divers in Blanchard park couldn't do it and that is why he became so upset at this MR....Knowing LP, he probably would have expected the MR to call him and let him know where it was, so that he could make the find......JMO

I'm in NJ and am spending a lot of time that I should be working instead reading and posting on this message board. If I had a job in that area I'd be all over it as much as I could justify checking things out. Of course, if I did find a bag with a skull as I posted before I'd still be running!! stopping only to catch my breath and call 911.

[CANDYKISSES]

But why would Baez and Casey want the body found? Wasn't their case better without it?

Boxer, I'm not sure but tend to agree with that thought process.

However, think about this. They were working for Cindy and George by that time and I think someone had decided it was time for this all to end. I find the timing of NeJame bowing out to be significant with regard to this as well.

JMO tho. :w00t:

[Carol25]

Question about this civil lawsuit for Zanaida Gonzales....

If the judge allows this to go forward before the murder trial, how does Casey's "right to remain silent" come in. Can she plead the 5th during a deposition or does she have to answer their questions?
She can plead the 5th.

[destiny1]

Is Susan Smith still alive?


Not talking murdering the suspect here Mallorycat, just saying that steering her in the wrong direction would be a good start.

[marinewife5]

of course, but I think neither of them can resist being the orchestra leader

this is gonna sound crazy...but maybe all of cindy's cameos and the missing child fund money was too much for casey to take...she indirectly exposes the body, hence confirms the death (heck, just blame the kidnappers)...takes cindy's precious camera moments and charitiable income away?

jmo

[Carol25]

If there was prior knowledge of where the body was, why did the sheriff tell at the presser it was all on the up & up the way the body was discovered - supposely? Doesn't take a brain thrust to think the story's fishy. But when the sheriff assured everyone the meter reader was blameless and the story true I thought that was the end of it.

On msg boards people first were suspicious. I thought the oddest thing was people who jumped on the there's nothing fishy about it bandwagon (and many did). The whole thing's just too weird.

For openers it makes no sense for anyone to suspect a trash bag and call the Caylee Anthony tip line.

I'm scared if this whole story is a lie the pros is hiding something and it might lead to Casey getting off or having a verdict overturned later down the road.

WHAT are they thinking? What are they hiding?
There was probably an odor with the bag.

[Elfinrow]

I can't imagine her winning that suit.
so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.

[8BellesFan]

this is gonna sound crazy...but maybe all of cindy's cameos and the missing child fund money was too much for casey to take...she indirectly exposes the body, hence confirms the death (heck, just blame the kidnappers)...takes cindy's precious camera moments and charitiable income away?

jmo


could very well be. I do tend to think of them as Mama and Eunice.

[marinewife5]

Hi Abby....good to see you. I have all the info I need on this guy. It all fits. I hope I don't seem uncooperative with this MR's actions, but I think the guy stinks to high heaven.....JMO

i know LE cleared him, but your posts do have me pondering...

[destiny1]

If there was prior knowledge of where the body was, why did the sheriff tell at the presser it was all on the up & up the way the body was discovered - supposely? Doesn't take a brain thrust to think the story's fishy. But when the sheriff assured everyone the meter reader was blameless and the story true I thought that was the end of it.

On msg boards people first were suspicious. I thought the oddest thing was people who jumped on the there's nothing fishy about it bandwagon (and many did). The whole thing's just too weird.

For openers it makes no sense for anyone to suspect a trash bag and call the Caylee Anthony tip line.

I'm scared if this whole story is a lie the pros is hiding something and it might lead to Casey getting off or having a verdict overturned later down the road.

WHAT are they thinking? What are they hiding?

I think that what is not being revealed is what made the MR suspicious on Aug 11 12 and 13. and what made him go back in December.

LE does not release all details no matter what we may think. Especially with an active and very publicized investigation going on.

[marinewife5]

could very well be. I do tend to think of them as Mama and Eunice.

OMG! that is soooo accurate! anything to chap the buttocks of the other!:w00t:

[adair]

Hey Everyone!!!

I am hopelessly behind in several of the threads i have heard some type of reference that KC said she was following the script that the kidnappers left for her?

Can Someone Please enlighten me??

Thanks

[tybek]

Could they assert that Zenaida was here illegally and under a false name (remember, according to Casey, Z changed her phone number three times in one year--so why not names?) and that Z kidnapped Caylee and flew back to her country?

I'm still shocked that for such a creative liar, Casey didn't think up something like that type of scenario. imo

And if he argues that, he will surely seal Casey's fate. I'd love to see him try it.

[funkyflower]

And lets not forget that Casey told Baez she had 5000.00 in the bank.:rolleyes:

I didnt hear that one. Who's bank account did she intend on stealing it from?

[8BellesFan]

Padilla's a media hound. He was running for some public office in California when he first jumped in front of the cameras on this case. He's a Dog Chapman wannabe in my opinion.

mayor of Sacramento? (can't remember) he also injected himself in the parole of a child preditor and has invited tens of people to occupy his property for media attention. He makes me ill.

[destiny1]

so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.

could the whole ZFG site have been a ruse put on by Casey? I never heard of this as the Zenaida we are talking about suing casey is a housekeeper. Premeditation at it's worst?

[Regina.Lampert]

If this is true, there's no pressure on Casey to do anything regarding Caylee's funeral , her parents/Lee aren't visiting her, so she doesn't have to come up with any excuses/reasons for the delay. She has got to know how it is hurting GA/CA, to not be able to lay her to rest.

I'm with you on this Ish, wouldn't put it past her to delay the actual funeral until she is found "not guilty" by a jury. Of course she won't have any objections to the public memorial service and the monies that can be made from that, going forth.......imo.

I think she has wanted to hurt cynthia and george from the night of June 15th on........

[3girls]

She is an accused baby killer. before she was even arrested for murder, don't you all believe that some inmates could have had strong feelings about her one way or the other? someone may have wanted to get her. Its jailhouse justice.[/QUOTE]
My thoughts exactly.:thumbup:

[Pooh]

The RULES are so clear on this. As I posted before, no lawyer can knowingly perpetrate a lie connecting with a crime. What I failed to include (my bad) were the words in a Court of Law. What that means is that a lawyer cannot put a client on the stand knowing he is lying and just perpetrating (self explanatory) that lie. Nor can he file papers in Court doing the same or similar thing. What you are saying here, Bratlings, is accurate. If Baez filed papers putting up a defense that perpetrates the lie that Caylee is still alive, he is going to lose his licence. He is going to be disbarred.

This is why I said that before this is over, don't be surprised if we see Baez being forced to step down and someone else taking over this defense. If this is the scenario, boo hoo, Baez can kiss his license buh bye.

Oh, by the way, does anyone beside me think he came on this information via pillow talk?

But that is what David Westerfield's attorney did. He knew where the body was per his client. Tried to get the DP off the table but LE found the body first. Then the defense attorney put on a defense regarding the bugs found on the body and it couldn't have been Westerfield that put her there due to the time it would take to develop the bugs. He knew darn well his client committed the murder and presented a defense anyway. And he's still practicing! What's to keep Baez from doing the same thing?

[Mandysmom]

Yes they do allow it. We originally had our daughter buried and you just do not make rational decisions at times like this, we didn't know the "new" section she was buried in would not allow a specially engraved upright headstone only a flat metal one. And because we intended on leaving this city, since it was not the original area we were from we had her remains exhumed and cremated so she could be buried in a plot between my husband & I. We did this almost 30 days after her burial and I asked to see her one more time, I couldnt help it. The Funeral home director/owner said he would allow it and that he would even take a hand impression for us with one of those cute plaster tins since we hadn't thought of it. He did it for us although I cant imagine how gut wrenching it must have been for him. But he agreed we could see her but told us he didn't think we should. We didn't, and now that I have some rational thought. Thank God I took his advice!My God Bratlings what a horrific thing for you to have to go through.

I am also glad you didn't look once more. I think the A's going to sit with Caylee's remains at the funeral home is perfectly normal. I can't imagine the terrible grief they are going through at this time.

[Carol25]

The RULES are so clear on this. As I posted before, no lawyer can knowingly perpetrate a lie connecting with a crime. What I failed to include (my bad) were the words in a Court of Law. What that means is that a lawyer cannot put a client on the stand knowing he is lying and just perpetrating (self explanatory) that lie. Nor can he file papers in Court doing the same or similar thing. What you are saying here, Bratlings, is accurate. If Baez filed papers putting up a defense that perpetrates the lie that Caylee is still alive, he is going to lose his licence. He is going to be disbarred.

This is why I said that before this is over, don't be surprised if we see Baez being forced to step down and someone else taking over this defense. If this is the scenario, boo hoo, Baez can kiss his license buh bye.

Oh, by the way, does anyone beside me think he came on this information via pillow talk?
What motions or documents do you think he gave the court that would have included his accounts of her being alive? This could be big. Who investigates this? The attorney General? The Bar Association? Who makes a claim to begin an investigation?

[kitty1182]

I'm with you on this Ish, wouldn't put it past her to delay the actual funeral until she is found "not guilty" by a jury. Of course she won't have any objections to the public memorial service and the monies that can be made from that, going forth.......imo.

I think she has wanted to hurt cynthia and george from the night of June 15th on........

I think so too Sissy and she sure has been doing a good job of it...IMO she in one heartless person..

[AMS]

Judge Reprimands Casey's Defense Team In Court
Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 12:27 pm EST January 6, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

[Neffy]

Could they assert that Zenaida was here illegally and under a false name (remember, according to Casey, Z changed her phone number three times in one year--so why not names?) and that Z kidnapped Caylee and flew back to her country?

I'm still shocked that for such a creative liar, Casey didn't think up something like that type of scenario. imo


They did...........

[I'mRight]

so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.

I had not heard this one before, but it does sound interesting.

[happy2bme]

so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.

Wasn't she the one who had also been robbed?

[Pruddennce]

what was it about this ONE bag, that looked suspicous???????



respectfully snipped:

...which is the reason why I have a problem with 'le meter reader' and his statement. Im not buying it.

......the fact that he made a point to say: he had NO CONNECTION to the Anthony family...IMO what a gratuitous thing to say.....which provokes my mind to wonder: so who is HE connected to that is connected to the Anthony family...IMO

something is terribly wrong with the timing and account of mr meter man.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[5boxersmom]

so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.

Is this the one whose office got broken in to June 9th?

If I remember right this person and the person suing are ZG not ZFG. I don't think I have ever saw a ZF-G.

jmo

[Pooh]

Feldman was such a dirty player, imo. I remember when he tried to get Westerfield's son to claim the online porn was his, not Westerfields. I mean, how low do some of these lawyers go?

OMG - it was the worst display of a defense I've ever seen and I never thought I would see it again but we might with Baez. I don't trust him at all.

[Neffy]

I haven not actually heard Casey say that Z was an illegal and she took Caylee out of the country. Sorry, I stand corrected.

I should say they've used these excuses not presented it.

Zeniada being an illegal, false name, could be anywhere.

Caylee's been taken to Puerto Rico by friends of Casey dubbed "zanny" as if that were a code name.

Ridiculous!

[CANDYKISSES]

respectfully snipped:

...which is the reason why I have a problem with 'le meter reader' and his statement. Im not buying it.

......the fact that he made a point to say: he had NO CONNECTION to the Anthony family...IMO what a gratuitous thing to say.....which provokes my mind to wonder: so who is HE connected to that is connected to the Anthony family...IMO

something is terribly wrong with the timing and account of mr meter man.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

ITA PRU, but I don't think he is involved per se. Just possibly someone tipped him off IMO. :blushing:

[Rick777]

I think the type of litter in that section of the woods would be things like beer bottles, candy wrappers, chip bags, condoms, coke cans--small stuff from teens hanging out there.

A garbage bag, however, might attract attention. imo

A Garbage bag 20 feet off the road, mostly buried in a very thick brush area? I don't know....

[Elfinrow]

I had not heard this one before, but it does sound interesting.

Yep, she had a "mommysite" I had the lnk but the problem was, she took down all her journals and private info and also changed the format of the website for privacy issues and boy I sure didnt blame her as she had a very nice site, and years of an online presence. She was a certified daycare provider and Im sure that LE has the info and scoop on her, gee whiz I found it that early on in the case. As soon as we all started to google and look for this ZFG, she is the one that I found that I felt fit the mold, not this other ZFG that made air time.
I think if any of you want to look just put in her name in the search fields and use it with day care provider. I wish I could remember the name of the site, it was like mommys.com or mommy.com and it was full of journals about raising children, toddlers, infants....a very good site and she sure sounded like a very good provider to me.

[SavannahStar]

Yep, she had a "mommysite" I had the lnk but the problem was, she took down all her journals and private info and also changed the format of the website for privacy issues and boy I sure didnt blame her as she had a very nice site, and years of an online presence. She was a certified daycare provider and Im sure that LE has the info and scoop on her, gee whiz I found it that early on in the case. As soon as we all started to google and look for this ZFG, she is the one that I found that I felt fit the mold, not this other ZFG that made air time.
I think if any of you want to look just put in her name in the search fields and use it with day care provider. I wish I could remember the name of the site, it was like mommys.com or mommy.com and it was full of journals about raising children, toddlers, infants....a very good site and she sure sounded like a very good provider to me.

NOW I remember. It was something like "momsinorlando".....it had orlando in it. I think. Or Orange County. Some location, I'm sure.

[Pooh]

No it is two different issues. I have explained it the best I can. Westerfields attorney might have known where the body was but he did not lie about his client being innocent or allow testimony that he knew was a lie! If Baez knew he committed perjury in court filings by presenting an alternate theory or maybe just maybe this discovery was found just in time to keep Baez from making the biggest mistake of his life.

But he did with the bug evidence he knew was bogus. I know Feldman was investigated - the prosecution was livid. He was on thin ice and apparently things ruled in Feldman's favor. I must admit that Feldman was/is a better attorney than Baez. Not sure Baez has the experience to survive an investigation. imo

[breezie]

I'm aware that he never said, but something had to tip him off for the first three instances. Now he goes and kicks the bag?

I think he was concerned and someone who was close to casey and/or the anthonys kpt egging him on to go there. whoever it was knew what had possibly made him suspicious because they knew what was 'buried' with Caylee. Just speculating.


Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.

[destiny1]

Could they assert that Zenaida was here illegally and under a false name (remember, according to Casey, Z changed her phone number three times in one year--so why not names?) and that Z kidnapped Caylee and flew back to her country?

I'm still shocked that for such a creative liar, Casey didn't think up something like that type of scenario. imo

She could use that scenario, but we all could shoot holes in it. First of all, If ZG changed phone no three times and kept the same bogus name, then billing records for the company would show said person even though the billings were inactive for those accounts. and there is that annoying little factoid that there is no regular calling patterns to any number that is remotely related to babysitting.

[ishkabibble]

OFGS, read Kiomarie's interview with LE. That's all this guy had to know. Instead of brushing it aside he actually LOOKED where she said they hung out. That, plus all Casey's "code talk" to Lee doesn't take a brainiac to figure out she was TELLING them right where to look.

sorry, not yelling at you...........just at this whole line of thought that the guy had to be tipped off. Well, he WAS by KM and Casey.

The Kiomarie interview was very interesting, but I didn't see the "code" talk with Lee. I saw it as Lee trying to be careful with his words and Casey sort of going in whatever direction he went. She did the same with Cindy. I think they all try to "read" each other and in reality neither has any idea what the other is talking about.

[Elfinrow]

Wasn't she the one who had also been robbed?

Hi Happy, Im thinking hacked or the site was hacked or maybe that was what they said when they took down the site and changed it's whole lay out..
I never understood why she wasnt the one being questioned. Now we know of course there is no such nanny. It is so weird and strange of course, a person without a job, in her mind she has a nanny.
I still think that there is something wrong with Casey, not just personality disorder but something much deeper. I do not think she is insane, but I do think she is bent, and twisted. Very off. Too bad that her friends didnt pick up on all of her posing in her lifestyle. It's just a shame really.

[tybek]

respectfully snipped:

...which is the reason why I have a problem with 'le meter reader' and his statement. Im not buying it.

......the fact that he made a point to say: he had NO CONNECTION to the Anthony family...IMO what a gratuitous thing to say.....which provokes my mind to wonder: so who is HE connected to that is connected to the Anthony family...IMO

something is terribly wrong with the timing and account of mr meter man.

IMO

best regards,
Pru


Here's why I think THIS ONE BAG...I think it is very possible he looked inside the bag or examined it in some way that he knew what was inside or at least had a darn good idea. But who wants to admit that they potentially contaminated evidence? Maybe he was afraid of getting in trouble so he called anonymously. Or maybe he just didn't want to be injected into the middle of this case and trial...maybe he knew some folks would suspect HIM if he was linked to finding the body (and some here do, right?). Maybe he has since told the police what he did (i.e. peeked in) and way he was so adamant, which is why they don't suspect he is involved, but they don't feel the need to say publically what he has told them. If he had already looked in that bag, it would sure explain why he called again and again...IMO

[AbbyNormal]

ahhhhh....another supporter of this theory..........come over to the dark side!!!!!!!

Just kidding...

I do think this MR is dirty....too many things had to happen for him to stumble onto this...then the other 3 calls......I won't repeat it all
Dirty? I don't know if he is dirty.

I do think someone (who)?! pointed him to that area.

[destiny1]

Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.


what I am saying is that someone used the MRs concern to goad him into going back. Not that he was in on a conspiracy. He is just a pawn.

[Calla]

this is gonna sound crazy...but maybe all of cindy's cameos and the missing child fund money was too much for casey to take...she indirectly exposes the body, hence confirms the death (heck, just blame the kidnappers)...takes cindy's precious camera moments and charitiable income away?

jmo

You're right. That sounds crazy. But this whole situation can claim that description.

btw.. hello!

[SavannahStar]

Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.

I've been reading here all morning, and I think I'm with you on this.

[Lavenia]

I thought we had a discussion here about this when Baez filed that countersuit. There was quite a bit of laughter at how stupid of an attorney he is....Anybody else remember?

There have been so many times Mason...

[dgfred]

The Kiomarie interview was very interesting, but I didn't see the "code" talk with Lee. I saw it as Lee trying to be careful with his words and Casey sort of going in whatever direction he went. She did the same with Cindy. I think they all try to "read" each other and in reality neither has any idea what the other is talking about.


Yes their 'code' talk is very creepy, especially under the circumstances of a missing child.

[destiny1]

Here's why I think THIS ONE BAG...I think it is very possible he looked inside the bag or examined it in some way that he knew what was inside or at least had a darn good idea. But who wants to admit that they potentially contaminated evidence? Maybe he was afraid of getting in trouble so he called anonymously. Or maybe he just didn't want to be injected into the middle of this case and trial...maybe he knew some folks would suspect HIM if he was linked to finding the body (and some here do, right?). Maybe he has since told the police what he did (i.e. peeked in) and way he was so adamant, which is why they don't suspect he is involved, but they don't feel the need to say publically what he has told them. If he had already looked in that bag, it would sure explain why he called again and again...IMO


I believe that if he had looked in August approximately two months after death in a bag, he would have smelled something at the very least,

or maybe he saw items belonging to a child in or around that bag?

Just questions.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think so too Sissy and she sure has been doing a good job of it...IMO she in one heartless person..

Yep, a monster with a cold and malignant heart. I cannot wait until she is convicted and put into a cage.

[tybek]

Yes he did say that and I'm not doubting Tim however that does not prove who put Caylee there or when?

JMO


With all due respect to Tim (and I do respect what he does), he based this on looking at the site...hardly scientific, and he could be wrong. I think there will be more concrete and scientific ways to estimate how long the bag was there and those will come out in trial. I was just repeating what I remembered him saying, not neccesarily saying I agreed with it.

[desmom]

IF the meter reader was tipped off or had some type of information as been suggested here, why did he call 911 and not the Crimeline? If he would have called Crimeline, he would have been eligible for the $5,000 reward money. jmo

[Elfinrow]

Yes he did say that and I'm not doubting Tim however that does not prove who put Caylee there or when?

JMO

clearly in a few photos we can see the indentation of where her little body laid. But still in my gut I had the worst feeling that morning, the hearing was happening and all of a sudden it's reported Lee was in the court room, then the body was found, then mallory is at their house refusing to answer the door, and I watched that online and could only think one thing: What route did Lee take that morning, did he dump her body that morning. Here he was finally showing his face again and 20 minutes later her body is found. for me my red flags were up but they've always been up regarding Lee.
I wanted to know where was Lee before court the day she was found.
It was all too much of a coinkydink for me. He had been in hiding until that day so how odd, she was found just hours after he comes out of seclusion? Didnt work for me. Im sure LE will be looking hard into where he was that morning and I wonder if he was even being followed. Of course I still believe that his failure to provide with DNA when asked and the shaving of his head, was a huge red flag also.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi Happy, Im thinking hacked or the site was hacked or maybe that was what they said when they took down the site and changed it's whole lay out..
I never understood why she wasnt the one being questioned. Now we know of course there is no such nanny. It is so weird and strange of course, a person without a job, in her mind she has a nanny.
I still think that there is something wrong with Casey, not just personality disorder but something much deeper. I do not think she is insane, but I do think she is bent, and twisted. Very off. Too bad that her friends didnt pick up on all of her posing in her lifestyle. It's just a shame really.

Two things, FIRST BEING that the NUMBER matched the ZFG LE spoke to IMO. Did you forget that in your quest?

NEXT, where are you weaving a story of porn regarding Caylee? IOW, what is it you are using to formulate your theory?

Oh, and yes, the ZG who posted online alleged her OFFICE was robbed IIRC.

JMO:sneaky:

[destiny1]

Yes their 'code' talk is very creepy, especially under the circumstances of a missing child.
A tropical Amityville

[marinewife5]

The tide is turning.........!!!!!!!!!

More people thinking like me!!!



Take a second look at the evidence folks!!

i would buy casey and lee being in on the "accidental discovery" but not george and cindy...there were too many donations to accept for them to end the gravy train. jmo

[WillowInFlight]

Respectfully disagree. What is in it for the MR is money.....my lord he would make thousands just by going on talk shows, plus the reward. As for the Anthony's, what's in it for them is to get this thing moving, so they can get on with their lives. As it stands now, they will have to visit the plastic surgeon and change their names, so why not turn on Casey, subtly of course. They have already just by not visiting her.

I do think that the prosecution will use both of them against Casey.....but we will see.

Get on with their life??? How easy do you think thats going to be?, I don't see them ever moving on. How does one move on when you have a child that kills their child?

[Carol25]

Oh, Carol, to answer the rest of your question too, this falls under the jurisdiction of the bar assocation. If they have some solid evidence that he filed papers that he attested to were true when they were not, perpetrated a lie in a court of law, they will be the ones to take his license away from him, revoke his priviledges to practice law. If he has duo or multiple license, that will not affect those other states, just Florida where this took place.

So he may lose his license to practice in Florida but if he holds one for Pennsylvania, say, he can go open up an office there and practice.

Again that is my understanding.
Could he have been so taken with the possibility of making a name for himself that he would risk everything to do this? Well, he did countersue, and some of his decisions have been downright.....hmmmmm.

[dgfred]

Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.

But they could still use the kidnapping story, saying that the kidnappers killed her and left her near where Casy lived. Maybe some
wanted her body found, to claim someone besides Casey killed her.

[Brattnt]

Not sure if this has been posted or not....

Judge Reprimands Casey Anthony's Attorney In Court

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 11:11 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing of sorts that Casey Anthony's attorney called for Tuesday didn't happen has he had hoped. Jose Baez had asked for the deposition of Casey Anthony, in a civil defamation suit filed against her by Zenaida Gonzalez, to be delayed.

Casey Anthony's defense team wanted to avoid having her testify in connection with the civil trial, which could then be used against her in her criminal trial. Baez had hoped the deposition could be delayed until after the criminal trial.

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, the judge refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

[breezie]

I thought we had a discussion here about this when Baez filed that countersuit. There was quite a bit of laughter at how stupid of an attorney he is....Anybody else remember?

Wasn't it the filing of the countersuit that opened Casey up to the deposition. Once you are a litigant, you have to tell/prove your side...something like that.

[jammies]

Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.


Exactly, breezie.

[destiny1]

But they could still use the kidnapping story, saying that the kidnappers killed her and left her near where Casy lived. Maybe some
wanted her body found, to claim someone besides Casey killed her.
can you say backfired? :lol:

[Neffy]

Baez does not need a theory on who killed Caylee, his job is disprove the prosecutions theory. As of now nothing is known about what that is.

JMO


That is correct. However we do know the prosecution will present Zanny does not exist and Casey committed this crime.

I believe the Baez's defense is: DOES TO and SHE DID NOT! :tonguewag:

[AbbyNormal]

It is very interesting indeed, but was he being used because of his concern? was he goaded into going back in there? I would like to see the trail. "daisy chain'
That term, daisy chain, bothers me. It seems an odd choice of words for LP. I looked up daisy chain in the urban dictionary, and most of the definitions are not anything repeatable here.

[breezie]

But they could still use the kidnapping story, saying that the kidnappers killed her and left her near where Casy lived. Maybe some
wanted her body found, to claim someone besides Casey killed her.

well apparently IF that happened, they were STOOPID. Something at the crime scene took LE right back to Casey's house. I can't imagine it, myself.

I think something about the area bugged the MR. It's not like we've not all been hung up on something specific about this case. the pings from her calls, the bush, the backyard.

Looks like his instincts were right. Caylee was found. However it happened, I'm thankful for that.

[Elfinrow]

IF the meter reader was tipped off or had some type of information as been suggested here, why did he call 911 and not the Crimeline? If he would have called Crimeline, he would have been eligible for the $5,000 reward money. jmo

I think it was pretty clear he did not want his ID to be known. Now why that is, we do not know but he could have plenty to hide himself. He did NOT want to be thrown into the eye of the camera, early on. That's why he didnt want to use the tip line, he said so in his call to 911.:confused:

Maybe he is a real good guy and he was following the case like many of us here, and had an inclining. This is also possible for Mr. K.

[WillowInFlight]

Willow.....Even the mother of and father of The Son of Sam probably got on with their lives...( Are they still alive)???.....Sooner or later they are going to have to start living again, assuming they are not in prison.

Just they way things are I guess.....Don't mean to sound callous
Oh you didn't sound callous, I just don't know how "I" would be able to go on.

[destiny1]

What you just said is an oxymoron you now. Did they want the body found or not? Were they accomplices? Did they cover-up the murder?

somehow, I'm going to give Cindy the benefit of the doubt. But no one else. JMO.

The body being found right before the Holiday season just generates more pity for them.

[Pruddennce]

Here's why I think THIS ONE BAG...I think it is very possible he looked inside the bag or examined it in some way that he knew what was inside or at least had a darn good idea. But who wants to admit that they potentially contaminated evidence? Maybe he was afraid of getting in trouble so he called anonymously. Or maybe he just didn't want to be injected into the middle of this case and trial...maybe he knew some folks would suspect HIM if he was linked to finding the body (and some here do, right?). Maybe he has since told the police what he did (i.e. peeked in) and way he was so adamant, which is why they don't suspect he is involved, but they don't feel the need to say publically what he has told them. If he had already looked in that bag, it would sure explain why he called again and again...IMO

that doesnt make any sense.

why would anyone finding a bag in a trash strewn area think its evidence, if they SIMPLY stumbled upon a bag and opened it?

a trash bag in and of itself is not SUSPICIOUS, considering the area it was in.

if he looked in the bag in August, why didnt he call 911 and say WHATEVER, as to why he was there, and tell them he found a bag that contains what appears to be bones?

so he inserts himself now and not then?

I am sorry, but your explanations as to his 'possible' thought process is a bit confusing.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Carol25]

I think the PI's are going to open this case to a road we never thought we would travel.....

Everyone is scrambling for attorneys now. Maybe even attorneys need them. Wonder what is going behind closed doors with the Dream Team.

What ever happened with the ruling on the Special Master. Anyone know?

[MiamiNice1]

Not sure if this has been posted or not....

Judge Reprimands Casey Anthony's Attorney In Court

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 11:11 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing of sorts that Casey Anthony's attorney called for Tuesday didn't happen has he had hoped. Jose Baez had asked for the deposition of Casey Anthony, in a civil defamation suit filed against her by Zenaida Gonzalez, to be delayed.

Casey Anthony's defense team wanted to avoid having her testify in connection with the civil trial, which could then be used against her in her criminal trial. Baez had hoped the deposition could be delayed until after the criminal trial.

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, the judge refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Scathing! lol! But we knew this already (my bolding for emphasis above)!

Looks like this will be Casey's only out if the deposition goes forward:

"Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions."

imo

[tybek]

that doesnt make any sense.


I am sorry, but your explanations as to his 'possible' thought process is a bit confusing.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

No problem. We can respectfully disagree.

[Mimi428]

Usually when you answer a criminal complaint, you include some kind of separate defense list. It might go something like this: The defendant denies the State's allegation that the child is deceased. The defendant contends that the child is still alive and is being held captive in an unknown location by unknown person or persons.

That's just an example. If he filed like that, which he probably did, OR if he filed an Affidavit or a Certification in response to or supporting some kind of Motion dealing with this issue, knowing that she was dead and knowing where the body was, he is going to lose his license. The rules are pretty clear. You can't go willy nilly filing lies, white or otherwise, with the Court.

That's how I understand it.

Perhaps Katprint, Impartial or someone else can give us the specifics on that. I think the slope is more slippery if the attorney starts claiming he believed the child was still alive, because that would mean the crime of kidnapping is still ongoing.

I don't believe the attorney would necessarily risk his license if he knew where the body was, because the crime of murder would be over at that time. But to even hint that the attorny might know where a live ABDUCTED child is would be paramount to that attorney being part of the crime, IIRC.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought we had a discussion here about this when Baez filed that countersuit. There was quite a bit of laughter at how stupid of an attorney he is....Anybody else remember?

Oh yes, many of us got quite the chuckle out of how he shot himself in the foot.........again. :seeya:

[Carol25]

Scathing! lol! But we knew this already (my bolding for emphasis above)!

Looks like this will be Casey's only out if the deposition goes forward:

"Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions."

imo
But that would be so hard for her. She would just so much rather use her imagination and lie. It's been so long for her, ya know? Can she resist the temptation?

[JHP]

Not sure if this has been posted or not....

Judge Reprimands Casey Anthony's Attorney In Court

Tuesday, January 6, 2009 – updated: 11:11 am EST January 6, 2009

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing of sorts that Casey Anthony's attorney called for Tuesday didn't happen has he had hoped. Jose Baez had asked for the deposition of Casey Anthony, in a civil defamation suit filed against her by Zenaida Gonzalez, to be delayed.

Casey Anthony's defense team wanted to avoid having her testify in connection with the civil trial, which could then be used against her in her criminal trial. Baez had hoped the deposition could be delayed until after the criminal trial.

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, the judge refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

I bet it's even going to go lower before all is said and done.

JMO

[Lavenia]

Yea, you're right. We have a lot of chats about his incompetence. :laugh:

Ok, but this particular time, it was because he filed the countersuit and some were saying he was a dummy because that would mean that Casey would have to testify.

You are so right! I do remember getting a little chuckle out of that dunder-headed move. Oh I LOVE how much they deserve each other! :thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

Then everything that Padilla said on NG last night was a lie????



Is that where you are going with this????

I can't see this guy lying on national TV

Lenny lie? LOL. maybe not, but I think he would stretch the truth.

[Pooh]

Scathing! lol! But we knew this already (my bolding for emphasis above)!

Looks like this will be Casey's only out if the deposition goes forward:

"Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions."

imo

If she does that, then her countersuit will be tossed. imo

Makes no sense. Another Baez Blunder! :punch:

[breezie]

I think it was pretty clear he did not want his ID to be known. Now why that is, we do not know but he could have plenty to hide himself. He did NOT want to be thrown into the eye of the camera, early on. That's why he didnt want to use the tip line, he said so in his call to 911.:confused:

Maybe he is a real good guy and he was following the case like many of us here, and had an inclining. This is also possible for Mr. K.

Because maybe he knew this was a big case and didn't want people accusing him of being a sexual predator or a conspirator? I wouldn't want my name attached to this case either.

[Rick777]

I wanna think the Meter Reader is just a bumbling guy that stumbled upon the bag, but something has always seemed wrong with that guy.

When he called the first two times, he didn't mention a horrible smell coming from a bag. It would have been August, and that would have been the first key to thinking it was more then a trash bag.

The third time he calls, he waits and he and LE find a trash bag.

After that, why would he have any interest in a "Bag"?

If he was a passionate sleuth, moving to a different location as a meter Reader would not have stopped his gut instincts from looking on his free time, and off days. (He may have, but he has not put it out there.)

The space he would have to go to locate that bag would be like 1 X 1. What are the odds UNLESS he was tipped to the SPECIFIC area?


hmmmmmmmm

[MalloryCat]

The initial indictment says there were 6 women by that name living in the state of Florida, law enforcement investigated all of them and said no one of them ever babysat for anyone for any reason.

LE also checked an area 3 times where Caylees body was, and didn't find it, so I dont put much stock into LE looking into anything.

jmo

[MiamiNice1]

But that would be so hard for her. She would just so much rather use her imagination and lie. It's been so long for her, ya know? Can she resist the temptation?

That gives me a funny picture in my head of Casey excercising her "lying muscles." If I were her, I would even plead the fifth about my name! :biggrin:

imo

[court~critic1®]

Why? what's in it for MR? Why would the Anthonys or their agents want the body found...now they can't claim she's alive somewhere. It is not in their best interests.

I'm amazed by these conspiracy theories.


I concur. I wonder what these conspiracist would come up with if a child had found Caylee? I hate to think of it.

[Dells]

Most of these little PIs are flat broke, looking for something to do. They may have sporadic jobs, like following cheating spouses or attempting to locate missing persons, but most have a lot of free time on their hands in this economy. It really doesn't surprise me that some would like to attach themselves to this case and "get their name out there".

Exactly. It is just free publicity to them. It will help them get their next job because people will recognize their name. I think that is why the dream team is working on Casey's case as well. It will get them their next client, who hopefully will be able to pay them.

[ishkabibble]

A Garbage bag 20 feet off the road, mostly buried in a very thick brush area? I don't know....

Many times I have seen garbage bags along the road, sometimes they are left by groups who collect litter and the DPW picks the bags up on their runs. Other times the are just lying there on the side of the road, perhaps dumped by a motorist who cleaned out his car, or it fell off a truck carrying a load of trash. I have also hiked in the woods and crossed streams and notice garbage bags wholey or partially submerged in water, some contain trash, others are filled with mud/debris, the original contents gone, washed away by the movement of the water. Depending on the color of these bags, and the color of the surroundings they are barely noticeable. I have even found a garbage bag , revealed only after a warm spring day melted the snow accumulated over the winter. The bag was nearly covered under rotten leaves and compressed to barely 1/2 the size it was originally. It contained some old newpaper and the contents of 2 or more cat litter boxes.

[shelbar53]

Oh Sandy...I got worried there for a minute.....following the last thing we had posted.....glad you got your competer back up....two weeks ago I had to put this one in the shop for 2 days....

i had to get a new computer in oct, i lost all my files. im still looking for the video of cindy talking about the shovel and bamboo shoots....it wasnt gretas interview either. it was about 8 minutes long and very strange.

glad your peter is back up? well something like that...made me laugh.

[Dells]

I pulled it up....wow, she really went to great lengths...this is insane....

Yeah, she really could be creative when she wanted to be, huh? If only she would have put all of that time and energy into a job, then poor Caylee wouldn't be gone right now.:crying:

[MiamiNice1]

If she does that, then her countersuit will be tossed. imo

Makes no sense. Another Baez Blunder! :punch:
Oh....you're right! But at this point, the countersuit is probably the least of Team Anthony's problems.

It's like a game of Chess. Baez doesn't know how to play.

imo

[breezie]

I wanna think the Meter Reader is just a bumbling guy that stumbled upon the bag, but something has always seemed wrong with that guy.

When he called the first two times, he didn't mention a horrible smell coming from a bag. It would have been August, and that would have been the first key to thinking it was more then a trash bag.

The third time he calls, he waits and he and LE find a trash bag.

After that, why would he have any interest in a "Bag"?

If he was a passionate sleuth, moving to a different location as a meter Reader would not have stopped his gut instincts from looking on his free time, and off days. (He may have, but he has not put it out there.)

The space he would have to go to locate that bag would be like 1 X 1. What are the odds UNLESS he was tipped to the SPECIFIC area?


hmmmmmmmm

after 3 months there (June to August) there would be nothing left to smell. All bones.

[AbbyNormal]

Hi Abby....good to see you. I have all the info I need on this guy. It all fits. I hope I don't seem uncooperative with this MR's actions, but I think the guy stinks to high heaven.....JMO
I am going with suspicious, but not stinky (yet).

[Calla]

I think it was pretty clear he did not want his ID to be known. Now why that is, we do not know but he could have plenty to hide himself. He did NOT want to be thrown into the eye of the camera, early on. That's why he didnt want to use the tip line, he said so in his call to 911.:confused:

Maybe he is a real good guy and he was following the case like many of us here, and had an inclining. This is also possible for Mr. K.

Yeah if I was in that neighborhood, I would probably not have let it go either. And kept calling.
I listen to him saying I wan to remai anon.
Then he is told he can still remain anon. if he calls the tipline.
He says' not if you find a body'.
So he didn't want anyone to know who he was.
Strange? Conspiracy? Maybe not. $5000 is not nearly enough to risk givning up your job as a meter reader. Not in these days & times anyway.
When he finally couldn't ignore it any longer, he is still exposed..so he was right in August. He could not remain anon. if they found a body.

[ishkabibble]

I would be willing to bet that the LE has investigated the MR every which way. Including if he had any connections to the Ants, or anyone else involed in this case.

I believe they found NONE, and that is why he has not been charged with anything. All I can say is, thank God that this MR, for what ever reason, found the remains of this child Caylee. I don't care why he went into the woods.

Thank you MR.

I think the defense has done some checking on him also, we've heard nothing from them and I'm sure we would have if there was anything.

[marinewife5]

What you just said is an oxymoron you now. Did they want the body found or not? Were they accomplices? Did they cover-up the murder?

somehow, I'm going to give Cindy the benefit of the doubt. But no one else. JMO.

i stated earlier that casey might want the body found to twist the knife in her mothers heart and she could just pawn it off on the nanny.

the anthony's are 4 separate people. i think they all knew caylee was dead long before the body was found, but that doesn't mean that all 4 wanted the body found. i'm just not seeing the oxymoron. :unsure:

[Rick777]

I think the defense has done some checking on him also, we've heard nothing from them and I'm sure we would have if there was anything.


Well LE would give the defense a huge boost if they put ANYTHING out there on the Meter Reader that wasn't positive.

[tybek]

Thank you. Even Natalee Holloway's mom has finally realized Natalee is dead. Eventually, you do move on with your life if you aren't implicated. Sharon Rocha is a fine example of moving on. Will they forget? NEVER. Do they have to move on? YES.

Someone once gave me a book on grief and the loss of a loved one, and the first thing it said hit me hard. It said people will tell you that things will get better in time, but that is not necessarily true. True, the world goes on, but for some folks things get worse over time, especially if they chose to deal with the pain of the lost in destructive ways (drinking themselves into a stupor, isolation and anger at the world which they only fortify as time passes etc...) For some folks, life goes on in the most constructive way possible, and for others, it is the opposite. Suicide or attempted suicide aren't unheard of after a parent loses a child. So yeah, life goes on but it doesn't always get better, it depends on the person.

[8BellesFan]

Question: If the MR was involved, why do a press conference?

for the record, I have not yet formed a concrete opinion on the MR

[SavannahStar]

LE also checked an area 3 times where Caylees body was, and didn't find it, so I dont put much stock into LE looking into anything.

jmo

That's not lost on me. All this talk about the MR being suspicious.....well, I still can't quite understand why her body wasn't found by LE back then.

[Elfinrow]

Because maybe he knew this was a big case and didn't want people accusing him of being a sexual predator or a conspirator? I wouldn't want my name attached to this case either.

Excatly and yes you go this. It's hard to remain anonymous and he did sound very worried about it early on in his calls. Im still not 100% positive that her body really DID lay out there all those months. I pretty much was very uncomfortable with Lee showing up out of the blue the same day her little body was found. so many twists in this case and so many opinions and theory's as well.
I never thought that I would be on the bandwagon with other about a photography ring, but knowing that use of chloroform is common in these circles, and knowing there was an empty apartment and then also even Amy H comment in txt to casey about needing to use a empty room in the house for "whatever" well I just put two and two together and to me it equals 4. Since casey was so into photography I really do beleive she was photographing and selling photos of caylee. It could also be why so many things in this case have been scrubbed off the net, including photos of the anything but clothes party!
Last night I had a few moments to post here and was talking about one photo of Caylee. In the background, this photo clearly shows a large photo of Casey like a head shot an 8x10 photo lying on a sink next to two sets of keys. There is a sink and a trash can. Well I am working on zooming in on that, because I was trying to figure out hey where was Caylee in this photo and is this a hotel room, a sparse room it surely was. It's clearly a bathroom, but the phone keys and photo on the sink just were bothering me. Bugging me. I'll post it as soon as I can get these photos all up and cropped and zoomed in to show what Im talking about.
What exactly was Casey capable of? Would she of used Caylee for services? She was "working" doing SOMETHING so until one of you or LE or ex LE can come up with the true answer, Im pretty much onto this theory like a rash.

[grammie/va]

Yep, with Sybil at the switch.

Regina did you happen to read post # 627 on todays thread. I have looked every where for this info and figured it was lost with the banned camp nic. VERY INTERESTING!!!

[Rick777]

That's not lost on me. All this talk about the MR being suspicious.....well, I still can't quite understand why her body wasn't found by LE back then.


LE had the dogs too, and still didn't find anything.

[Rick777]

Question: If the MR was involved, why do a press conference?

for the record, I have not yet formed a concrete opinion on the MR


To show everyone he APPEARS to be a normal bumbling guy.

[Elfinrow]

I wanna think the Meter Reader is just a bumbling guy that stumbled upon the bag, but something has always seemed wrong with that guy.

When he called the first two times, he didn't mention a horrible smell coming from a bag. It would have been August, and that would have been the first key to thinking it was more then a trash bag.

The third time he calls, he waits and he and LE find a trash bag.

After that, why would he have any interest in a "Bag"?

If he was a passionate sleuth, moving to a different location as a meter Reader would not have stopped his gut instincts from looking on his free time, and off days. (He may have, but he has not put it out there.)

The space he would have to go to locate that bag would be like 1 X 1. What are the odds UNLESS he was tipped to the SPECIFIC area?


hmmmmmmmm
So rick then would you be surprised if there was a link of some kind to him, baez, or Lee or someone in this case? If they dug enough do you think they will find a possible link to him and someone in this case?
I want to beleive he is a good guy, who just had a very good gut instinct that led him time and again back to this same place. He never said he was following this case though. I wonder if he was, like many of us are?

[AbbyNormal]

so so you remember the early finds online of the "other ZFG" that was a daycare provider in the orlando area? She took her site down after this all went public but I still think that casey got her name from googling nannies online. When I googled nannies in the orlando area around the 18th of July in this case she is the first one who came up, not the ZFG that is suing. The ZFG that came up for me is the one who had an extensive online presence as a NANNY and ran a day care. I really think she got the name from HER. She has since changed her site and taken down most of the info that was up in July. I dont blame her one bit. She seems to have a successful mommy site online and in the real life as a career woman.
I dont know why no one talks about the other ZFG, who was actually a daycare provider, seems like a no brainer to me.Really? I had not read that before now. That is very interesting. Are there any links anywhere? TIA

[destiny1]

after 3 months there (June to August) there would be nothing left to smell. All bones.
It take s that smell a while to dissipate, and in that bag and in that moist slimy environment it still would have. June 15th to August 1`1 is only two lunar months.

[jammies]

To show everyone he APPEARS to be a normal bumbling guy.


So you are implicating that the LE in this case are DIRTY cops?

[SandyO]

respectfully snipped:

...which is the reason why I have a problem with 'le meter reader' and his statement. Im not buying it.

......the fact that he made a point to say: he had NO CONNECTION to the Anthony family...IMO what a gratuitous thing to say.....which provokes my mind to wonder: so who is HE connected to that is connected to the Anthony family...IMO

something is terribly wrong with the timing and account of mr meter man.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

Pru: The reason I believe the meter man is because I, also, am an inutitive person. By NO means whatsoever do I think I'm psychic, or anything even near that, but even my friends will discuss things going on in their lives with me because they know I sometimes just have "intuitions" about things. I don't always like that because it makes me feel responsible, but I can associate with how the meter man just FELT something was going on there with the bags in the swamp. Nothing he could help ---- it was just there, in his head. By the way, I've been very wrong already on some of my beliefs in this case ---- I would have bet the farm Casey threw Caylee's remains in a dumpster somewhere.

Sandy

[CANDYKISSES]

Weaving a Theory? formulating a theory? Sorry Candy but Im not sure where you are going with this post, it's pretty OT and has nothing to do with discussing the facts in this case. The facts are that an empty apartment was possibly being used for child porn and photography and many in LE are onto this "theory" or thought process.
The ZFG I am talking about was a day care provider. You can google all the information yourself honey but Im not here to provide you with links or reasons for my theories. These are my theories based on LE exp and discussions with LE and not people who follow Nancy Grace or tabloid type shows such as Geraldo to form opionions. This is a crime message board. Use the google feature to look some of this stuff up and open up your box. It really helps when working an "investigation"
??
"my story of porn" that is really a cheap shot. I dont have a story of Porn nor did a post a story of porn. I am discussing a photography ring that usually uses chloro to sedate children before photography as most pedo rings do. It is very possible that Casey A was involved in this and was selling or pimping out this child. Just google or listen to a few radio blogs with investigators and prior or current LE and their theories and maybe that will help you see where I am coming from. I dont do tabloid especially when it comes to a child murder case.

Generally people use credible information or EVIDENCE to support a theory. It appears again you are trying to make this crime even worse for that child. I would like to see a link to the photography RING that uses Chloroform and some kind of connection to Casey to selling a child.

I would like to see some of the LE information suggesting such a thing as I've never seen anything on this case suggesting that just like when you elected to convict Christina with no info either and LE dismissed that quickly.

Again, where are you FACTS?

I know I have read through and viewed the interviews in this case without ever seeing LE suggest the things you are. Please be mindful that you are posting about a DECEASED CHILD for goodness sakes.

Doesn't she deserve that much dignity here?

Maybe Coldwater can determine which post is off topic. I find this beyond OT IMO and totally unsubstantiated. :sad:

[Lavenia]

Many times I have seen garbage bags along the road, sometimes they are left by groups who collect litter and the DPW picks the bags up on their runs. Other times the are just lying there on the side of the road, perhaps dumped by a motorist who cleaned out his car, or it fell off a truck carrying a load of trash. I have also hiked in the woods and crossed streams and notice garbage bags wholey or partially submerged in water, some contain trash, others are filled with mud/debris, the original contents gone, washed away by the movement of the water. Depending on the color of these bags, and the color of the surroundings they are barely noticeable. I have even found a garbage bag , revealed only after a warm spring day melted the snow accumulated over the winter. The bag was nearly covered under rotten leaves and compressed to barely 1/2 the size it was originally. It contained some old newpaper and the contents of 2 or more cat litter boxes.

I do realize how vastly differently people view a garbage bag (or luggage or a box) that has been dumped. My husband would never in his wildest dreams give a garbage bag a second thought but I have read crime stories since my teen years and I DO! Dean Allen Corll disposed of many of his victims on the beach where I lived (in trash bags) and to this day, I can't see a trash bag without wondering... We still have the remains of people in my area washing up from Hurricane Ike and I'm so fearful my husband will stumble across someone in his area of work, but it never crosses his mind.

[Calla]

Excatly and yes you go this. It's hard to remain anonymous and he did sound very worried about it early on in his calls. Im still not 100% positive that her body really DID lay out there all those months. I pretty much was very uncomfortable with Lee showing up out of the blue the same day her little body was found. so many twists in this case and so many opinions and theory's as well.
I never thought that I would be on the bandwagon with other about a photography ring, but knowing that use of chloroform is common in these circles, and knowing there was an empty apartment and then also even Amy H comment in txt to casey about needing to use a empty room in the house for "whatever" well I just put two and two together and to me it equals 4. Since casey was so into photography I really do beleive she was photographing and selling photos of caylee. It could also be why so many things in this case have been scrubbed off the net, including photos of the anything but clothes party!
Last night I had a few moments to post here and was talking about one photo of Caylee. In the background, this photo clearly shows a large photo of Casey like a head shot an 8x10 photo lying on a sink next to two sets of keys. There is a sink and a trash can. Well I am working on zooming in on that, because I was trying to figure out hey where was Caylee in this photo and is this a hotel room, a sparse room it surely was. It's clearly a bathroom, but the phone keys and photo on the sink just were bothering me. Bugging me. I'll post it as soon as I can get these photos all up and cropped and zoomed in to show what Im talking about.
What exactly was Casey capable of? Would she of used Caylee for services? She was "working" doing SOMETHING so until one of you or LE or ex LE can come up with the true answer, Im pretty much onto this theory like a rash.

Been down that road but really didn't want to.
I , too, wonder about the 'working" scenario.

[desmom]

I wanna think the Meter Reader is just a bumbling guy that stumbled upon the bag, but something has always seemed wrong with that guy.

When he called the first two times, he didn't mention a horrible smell coming from a bag. It would have been August, and that would have been the first key to thinking it was more then a trash bag.

The third time he calls, he waits and he and LE find a trash bag.

After that, why would he have any interest in a "Bag"?

If he was a passionate sleuth, moving to a different location as a meter Reader would not have stopped his gut instincts from looking on his free time, and off days. (He may have, but he has not put it out there.)

The space he would have to go to locate that bag would be like 1 X 1. What are the odds UNLESS he was tipped to the SPECIFIC area?


hmmmmmmmm

The bag in August was trash per LE's August 13 report.

On 12/29/08, an former meter reader called into Issues with Jane Velez-Mitchell. http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ijvm.01.html

CALLER: Hi, Jane.

I`m calling regarding the meter reader issue. I used to be a meter reader, and we cover more areas by foot than the average person, you know, would normally ever see. And some of us learn to develop instincts about our surroundings, like what belongs, what`s out of place, you know, et cetera.

And, you know, some of us, not all, made more observances than others, and we took this as a responsibility. I think Mr. Kronk should be applauded and thanked instead of being called a busy body just because he reacted to his instincts.

I agree with the caller. jmo

[cuddlyrunner]

Excatly and yes you go this. It's hard to remain anonymous and he did sound very worried about it early on in his calls. Im still not 100% positive that her body really DID lay out there all those months. I pretty much was very uncomfortable with Lee showing up out of the blue the same day her little body was found. so many twists in this case and so many opinions and theory's as well.
I never thought that I would be on the bandwagon with other about a photography ring, but knowing that use of chloroform is common in these circles, and knowing there was an empty apartment and then also even Amy H comment in txt to casey about needing to use a empty room in the house for "whatever" well I just put two and two together and to me it equals 4. Since casey was so into photography I really do beleive she was photographing and selling photos of caylee. It could also be why so many things in this case have been scrubbed off the net, including photos of the anything but clothes party!
Last night I had a few moments to post here and was talking about one photo of Caylee. In the background, this photo clearly shows a large photo of Casey like a head shot an 8x10 photo lying on a sink next to two sets of keys. There is a sink and a trash can. Well I am working on zooming in on that, because I was trying to figure out hey where was Caylee in this photo and is this a hotel room, a sparse room it surely was. It's clearly a bathroom, but the phone keys and photo on the sink just were bothering me. Bugging me. I'll post it as soon as I can get these photos all up and cropped and zoomed in to show what Im talking about.
What exactly was Casey capable of? Would she of used Caylee for services? She was "working" doing SOMETHING so until one of you or LE or ex LE can come up with the true answer, Im pretty much onto this theory like a rash.

I'm interested to see that pic - I've missed a bit over the last few days. Trying to catch up-has more info come out about the empty apartment and photos of Caylee or is that speculation?

My mind totally recoils from the idea of her peddling photos of Caylee.

[Rick777]

So you are implicating that the LE in this case are DIRTY cops?

Nawww....I just think they wanted to put him out there as mr. normal and honest so the defense didn't have much of an avenue to persue with him.

[Dells]

also Casey did mention that Caylee's hair might be dyed...so she wanted people to look for her eyes....Casey had this whole thing planned....which is so horrific to say the least...how can any human being possible plan the demise of their child......All mothers usually worry about something happening to their child...I can not even imagine anyone doing what she has done....

No normal person can comprehend what Casey has done. All along Casey has only been looking out for herself.

[Pooh]

I just thought of something. Back in the beginning of this case, there was a poster (we talked about her yesterday) that had a daughter in LE who worked with a guy whose brother is working on the Anthony case. She told us way back, IIRC, that LE thought Casey didn't act alone. Whether that meant after the fact, I'm not sure. Maybe that's why Cindy and George are now asking for immunity. Maybe that's Little Bitty's bombshell? Just a thought....

[PROPROS]

That gives me a funny picture in my head of Casey excercising her "lying muscles." If I were her, I would even plead the fifth about my name! :biggrin:

imo
Morning Miami....and all....Heard Baez got called on the carpet this morning...Was it a live hearing and if so does anyone have a link? mo

[tybek]

That is so very true and I say that because I have experienced it. I'm one of the ones that has had a very hard time moving on and it has been 23 years.

I'm sorry for your loss. ((HUGS))

[Daffodil]

But why would Baez and Casey want the body found? Wasn't their case better without it?

That's what I can't figure out. Unless they made a deal to remove the DP if she told them where the remains were.

If you think about it, the last person to really have been seen with Caylee was Cindy. I do think Casey and Cindy may both be responsible. One of my theories is that Cindy and Casey were arguing FD and somehow Caylee got in the pool. Maybe all three were in the pool together to start Anyway, when they found Caylee, they blamed each other. Or maybe Cindy said something like: You watch her, she's your daughter. And maybe they both refused to watch her while they had their little power struggle.

The coincidencs that G&C were not around when the remains were found make me really think someone made a deal. If it was Casey, then somehow plans were made to make sure they were not home. Could you imagine the scene if Cindy was home when they came with the search warrant?

Maybe it was George who made a deal. Chances are LE would probably be more apt to make a deal with him more so than any of the others. Maybe he planned the LKL show so they would be out of town. Maybe George said, I will tell you all I know if you take the DP off the table. Maybe he really wanted to save Casey from DP. But he had to tell on Cindy and/or Lee and even himself.

[court~critic1®]

That's not lost on me. All this talk about the MR being suspicious.....well, I still can't quite understand why her body wasn't found by LE back then.


It may be because it was 3 differnt sites? IIRC that is what was reported, even different color of bags. Also at one time he reported a siting wasn't Caylees remains under water?

[101Spots]

That term, daisy chain, bothers me. It seems an odd choice of words for LP. I looked up daisy chain in the urban dictionary, and most of the definitions are not anything repeatable here.

"Daisy chain" is a rather old-fashioned term meaning "A string of associated people or things." It is also used to describe several devices connected to a computer in a linear manner. [A --> B --> C] Regarding the first definition, it may be, but does not have to be, circular in nature. [A --> B --> C -->A]

The newer (informal) definition is found in the Urban Dictionary, but I doubt if Lenny meant it ~that~ way.

[Rick777]

"So rick then would you be surprised if there was a link of some kind to him, baez, or Lee or someone in this case? If they dug enough do you think they will find a possible link to him and someone in this case?
I want to beleive he is a good guy, who just had a very good gut instinct that led him time and again back to this same place. He never said he was following this case though. I wonder if he was, like many of us are? "


Elfinrow......I would not be surprised if he was linked to Lee, or the Grandparents, but I don't really see that coming. I went thru a phase where I was convinced the MR was clean, but then I think of how random his finding was, and how timely (A day after Tim Miller said he believed she would never be found.) I'm just not sure...

[Daffodil]

After posting the above, I must add that it really blows my mind that these people can act the way they do knowing what they know.

No matter what the truth is, it still blows my mind.

[Elfinrow]

i had to get a new computer in oct, i lost all my files. im still looking for the video of cindy talking about the shovel and bamboo shoots....it wasnt gretas interview either. it was about 8 minutes long and very strange.

glad your peter is back up? well something like that...made me laugh.

Have you checked all the vids on wesh wftv or the sentinle papers online? They have a comprehensive list of most of the vids in this case.
You may find it here:
http://www.docstoc.com/docs/988961/Casey-Anthony-Party-Photos
There are some links to vids here but I would try youtube for that video myself.

[SavannahStar]

I just thought of something. Back in the beginning of this case, there was a poster (we talked about her yesterday) that had a daughter in LE who worked with a guy whose brother is working on the Anthony case. She told us way back, IIRC, that LE thought Casey didn't act alone. Whether that meant after the fact, I'm not sure. Maybe that's why Cindy and George are now asking for immunity. Maybe that's Little Bitty's bombshell? Just a thought....


It was me that brought that poster up, in connection with the "sealed juvie record" stuff. I'm very wary of posters who claim to be in the know for whatever reason.

The Little Bitty thing is confusing, as I don't think I was following along really closely when she was posting her "bombshell" stuff. So did anyone ever take the time to ask her just who she was and how she "knew" stuff? :cool: I wish someone had.

[PROPROS]

Respectfully disagree. What is in it for the MR is money.....my lord he would make thousands just by going on talk shows, plus the reward. As for the Anthony's, what's in it for them is to get this thing moving, so they can get on with their lives. As it stands now, they will have to visit the plastic surgeon and change their names, so why not turn on Casey, subtly of course. They have already just by not visiting her.

I do think that the prosecution will use both of them against Casey.....but we will see.Morning Mac...Happy New Year. I just don't buy the MR being involved. IYO, would he have received some info from the PI's or some other source...If some other source...how many people knew that poor child was lying out there. mo

[nothingnew]

Oh finally someone with common sense regarding this hack. He is also a felon, failure to pay his taxes I believe. I saved those pages that were up for his "run for office" and have them somewhere. They were a joke.
Cnn has got to stop using this man, dont they realize they are doing damage to the real facts in this case? Even a 6th grader can see this.
I wish they would replace him straight out and just use Mike Brooks at least he is credible and has a CV we can trust.

Any chance that you can back up your claim that Leonard Padilla is a convicted felon? That's a very specific thing to state without proof, which is why I am asking. Not calling you a liar or anything but saying someone is a felon is hardly an opinion piece so I am guessing this is publicly recorded somewhere?

[Regina.Lampert]

Regina did you happen to read post # 627 on todays thread. I have looked every where for this info and figured it was lost with the banned camp nic. VERY INTERESTING!!!

Yes grammie, I did. I remember those posts from when Little Bitty first posted them, very curious. I think some people knew something before Roy Kronk found those remains. I hope we get to the bottom of it.

[shelbar53]

I remember that interview but not who it was with. IIRC Cindy explained Casey borrowing the shovel and I think it was to dig up the bamboo shoots that continued to grow at the edge of the yard. It was something along the lines of having to dig them up. Is this the interview you are looking for?

yes, but in the middle of her talking about the bamboo she suddendly starts talking about casey being innocent...and back to bamboo then back to casey not being able to murder casey...it was a bizzare, flight of ideas interview from cindy

[breezie]

To show everyone he APPEARS to be a normal bumbling guy.


As opposed to Baez, who IS a bumbling guy?

[sunbunny]

Scathing! lol! But we knew this already (my bolding for emphasis above)!

Looks like this will be Casey's only out if the deposition goes forward:

"Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions."

imo

we had a plaintiff at my law firm (we represented the defendant) who pleaded the Fifth during his entire depo testimony. all we did was file a motion to compel his testimony. the judge granted the motion and VOILA! plaintiff is forced to comply, and he answered the questions.

[CANDYKISSES]

i stated earlier that casey might want the body found to twist the knife in her mothers heart and she could just pawn it off on the nanny.

the anthony's are 4 separate people. i think they all knew caylee was dead long before the body was found, but that doesn't mean that all 4 wanted the body found. i'm just not seeing the oxymoron. :unsure:


I think your post was easy to understand MW and yes, I think Casey could have tired easily of seeing Cindy all caught up in this when the sightings started flowing in. The idea of Cindy basking in the limelight while Casey is rotting in jail has to bother Casey IMOO.

IF not that, possibly George or Lee had a voice in the timing. AGAIN, JMO tho. :sad:

I refer back to Casey and her comments about Caylee, the cameo appearance in the beginning, and the being a lot like Cindy when following this case often.

[destiny1]

After posting the above, I must add that it really blows my mind that these people can act the way they do knowing what they know.

No matter what the truth is, it still blows my mind.

I think these people are accustomed to looking like the cleavers on the outside and went into panic mode started lying to everyone and it blew up to the point that they couldn't control it. They now have attorneys and PIs involved and most of those people have let the cat at least partially out of the bag.

I'll bet they are all saying to themselves "Now what do we do?'

[Rick777]

As opposed to Baez, who IS a bumbling guy?



Oh there is NO doubt about that! I always feel like he has a "special" interest in Casey, if you know what I mean. Thats just a gut feeling.

[tybek]

As opposed to Baez, who IS a bumbling guy?

A bumbling guy with a law degree... :tongueside:

[PROPROS]

Yes grammie, I did. I remember those posts from when Little Bitty first posted them, very curious. I think some people knew something before Roy Kronk found those remains. I hope we get to the bottom of it.I was on this board when she was posting...IIRC, it was the day before the Larry King interview. I remember waiting (with baited breath) for some breaking news. After LK I was actually dissapointed and thought,maybe it was just the statement from LE regarding Caylee being deceased. mo

[tybek]

Oh there is NO doubt about that! I always feel like he has a "special" interest in Casey, if you know what I mean. Thats just a gut feeling.


Even though he knows she's a baby killer...go figure.

[8BellesFan]

yes, but in the middle of her talking about the bamboo she suddendly starts talking about casey being innocent...and back to bamboo then back to casey not being able to murder casey...it was a bizzare, flight of ideas interview from cindy

this it?

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Casey say she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what did she say her purpose of borrowing a shovel...

CINDY ANTHONY: To look (ph) for the bamboo.

VAN SUSTEREN: So to remove the bamboo, which grows very...

CINDY ANTHONY: Rapidly.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Aggressively.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. It does. And if we don't keep track of it -- if I don't get rid of that today, I'll have other shoots coming into the rest of the yard.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you not have a shovel that she could have used?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

[ishkabibble]

what I am saying is that someone used the MRs concern to goad him into going back. Not that he was in on a conspiracy. He is just a pawn.

How did they goad him? Who did this goading? I didn't hear him identify himself in any of the first three calls (other than job description) so how did they know who to goad? And wouldn't they be concerned that he might reveal that he was encouraged to keep looking to LE. I think you have a legitimate concern as to his finding of the bag, I am just of the opinion that the circle of people possibly knowing the circumstances of Caylee's death and whereabouts is ever widening and it seems unlikely that so many can be aware of this information and WANT to protect the most likely perpertrator.

[CANDYKISSES]

OHH and she said whom ever says this will be banned :ohmy:

Thanks Diane, and I continue to stand on the idea there is no LE in this case claiming a PORN RING. There were two posters who tried to create a story and it didn't fit then, and doesn't now IMO.

Caylee deserves better here IMO. :thumbup:

[destiny1]

A bumbling guy with a law degree... :tongueside:


Plenty of mentally challenged people have degrees.
I I know one personally that has an advanced Math degree and gets herself into all sorts of trouble sleuthing. There is a thin line between defending someone you know is guilty and becoming an accessory in my opinion. It may not be illegal the way it is done, but it sure is morally wrong. The law doesn't always cover morals, though.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm answering because no one else is...I THINK there was two posters claiming inside info. One of the posters here said her Daughter worked in LE and yesterday when this came up someone said this person was a diff person and it was a friend in LE. I do NOT recall any of these things happening. I remember hanging on their every word thinking they knew something but NEVER did anything happen that either was posting. I just got annoyed with their post after that.

Who was the poster very early on that said she had a daughter who saw Casey in Jacksonville, at a store?

[funkyflower]

Question: If the MR was involved, why do a press conference?

for the record, I have not yet formed a concrete opinion on the MR

He seemed to me to have the "I dont wanna be involved in this mess" attitude on the calls. However, felt the need to report it and remain anonymous.
It feel it was genuine, especially when he does the press conference so that people will no longer bother his coworkers.
Even though the way he stated that he didnt want to call the tipline because he's public worker, and the op insisted he could remain anonymous....his "inappropriate" chuckle followed by the statement about not if there's a dead body in there, was actually SO true.

I just hope the way he's been treated doesn't set a precident for the ole "mind your own business" problems we already have in society.
A good example of this being the Hornbeck case. IMO

[WillowInFlight]

What is interesting is that EVERYONE says that Casey was hardly the person to get dirty doing anything....kind of a prissy type of prima-donna.

Can anyone believe she was in the backyard doing gardening with a borrowed shovel???

Just askin

Nope, I don't think Casey ever did any gardening or anything else for that matter. Heck she didn't even like to work.

[ishkabibble]

this it?

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Casey say she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what did she say her purpose of borrowing a shovel...

CINDY ANTHONY: To look (ph) for the bamboo.

VAN SUSTEREN: So to remove the bamboo, which grows very...

CINDY ANTHONY: Rapidly.


VAN SUSTEREN: ... Aggressively.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. It does. And if we don't keep track of it -- if I don't get rid of that today, I'll have other shoots coming into the rest of the yard.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you not have a shovel that she could have used?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

and they were so trusting of Casey, she didn't have/know where the
key was. My parents may have locked the liquor cabinet and hid the key from us kids, but the key to the garage was readily available. I mean a 2 yr old isnt likely to get the key and open a shed.

[Mimi428]

That's what I remember being discussed. That's why I asked about Casey pleading the 5th. If she's a litigant and she has to talk during a deposition, well, how does that work?

BADLY for her & for her attorneys. And very expensively to boot.

But that is one deposition I sure do wish we could see/hear/read about. Dang! I sure hope the other attorneys have the money to have it videotaped, although that is probably too much wishful thinking on my part.

Anyway, she can take the 5th with any question she is asked in which she believes the answer would incriminate her. So once they get past her name & her date of birth, with what we have seen of her so far, I think she would have to take the 5th after pretty much every question afterwards!

But no matter what she is ultimately asked, or what she ultimately answers, it will give her time out of her jail cell - & it will financially put a huge squeeze on Baez to spend all that time in deposition with her. Every hour he is in with her is an hour in which he won't be able to bill anyone for services (other than Casey & we know she doesn't have any money to begin with).

(still love to be a fly on the wall THAT day, though)

JMO

[SavannahStar]

I'm answering because no one else is...I THINK there was two posters claiming inside info. One of the posters here said her Daughter worked in LE and yesterday when this came up someone said this person was a diff person and it was a friend in LE. I do NOT recall any of these things happening. I remember hanging on their every word thinking they knew something but NEVER did anything happen that either was posting. I just got annoyed with their post after that.


Okay, the only one I remember was the one with the daughter in LE. I distinctly remember her posting that. And the daughter knew someone who knew someone.....and on and on. What annoyed me is that the daughter in LE was telling stuff to her mom who was posting it on a message board. True or untrue. Just the idea of an LE person doing that made me see red.

[breezie]

In all honesty, Carol, and with this guy being so unseasoned and yet so arrogant, I think he is into "shady lawyering" and some lawyers are, they take wild chances and either hope or think that they won't get caught. I personally know one or two lawyers who fit this bill. They dip into their trust accounts, sleep with their clients, delve in dirty real estate deals, etc. I just think Baez can be clumped into this group of seedy shady lawyers and that's probably why he had such a high recommendation from prisoners. I remember someone saying that he was recommended through another jail inmate to Casey.

And I think this is why the other Judge today said "he takes the profession to a whole new low"

is there a link to his filing about that hearing? I can't seem to find it. Wonder what he said about Morgan in it. I sure wouldn't want to start out on that foot with the Judge with my client facing liability.

[SavannahStar]

I cannot for the life of me remember her nic... I tried yesterday to think of the nic, I scrolled the members list but was told it wouldn'tbe there as CW removes the banned posters.


There is a place you can look on the front page to find who is banned. At the bottom where it says "View Forum Leaders." Click there and you'll see the list. Someone on here mentioned that weeks ago and I was shocked, never knew that existed.

[ishkabibble]

He seemed to me to have the "I dont wanna be involved in this mess" attitude on the calls. However, felt the need to report it and remain anonymous.
It feel it was genuine, especially when he does the press conference so that people will no longer bother his coworkers.
Even though the way he stated that he didnt want to call the tipline because he's public worker, and the op insisted he could remain anonymous....his "inappropriate" chuckle followed by the statement about not if there's a dead body in there, was actually SO true.

I just hope the way he's been treated doesn't set a precident for the ole "mind your own business" problems we already have in society.
A good example of this being the Hornbeck case. IMO

I found his chuckle over possibly finding the body to be less inappropriate than Lee's chuckle over the "odor" that was radiating from his sister's car. Especially, since by that interview he was most likely aware that that smell was the smell of his niece's decomposing body.

[destiny1]

How did they goad him? Who did this goading? I didn't hear him identify himself in any of the first three calls (other than job description) so how did they know who to goad? And wouldn't they be concerned that he might reveal that he was encouraged to keep looking to LE. I think you have a legitimate concern as to his finding of the bag, I am just of the opinion that the circle of people possibly knowing the circumstances of Caylee's death and whereabouts is ever widening and it seems unlikely that so many can be aware of this information and WANT to protect the most likely perpertrator.

seeing as all of this is speculation I'll throw these in.

Depending on his phone service, a number would have shown on his call to 911 at the very least I would think, so that could be traced unless he was using a disposable.

He could have been seen by someone who wanted to stay under, and used.


as far as pople wanting to protect it, I think that they all knew long before what really happened via a confession whether cryptic or not.
The anthonys had their reasons. The PIs were then hopelessly entangled in this mess.

Lenny? Your guess is as good as mine.

[shelbar53]

this it?

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Casey say she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what did she say her purpose of borrowing a shovel...

CINDY ANTHONY: To look (ph) for the bamboo.

VAN SUSTEREN: So to remove the bamboo, which grows very...

CINDY ANTHONY: Rapidly.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Aggressively.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. It does. And if we don't keep track of it -- if I don't get rid of that today, I'll have other shoots coming into the rest of the yard.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you not have a shovel that she could have used?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

no thats not the one, cindy was sitting in a chair all by herself, i think it was from a local paper.

[PROPROS]

MOrnin Pro....and Happy New year to you.

Thats my point....If Casey was the only person that knew where the body was...the info had to filter down through her attorneys......unless there is a confession on a jail visit that we did not see. And if it did come from the attorneys......this will not be the last time that Baez gets yelled at.

Some in an old thread told us that they know Baez through other contacts and that he is really a highly respected attorney....my lord where they right!There seems to be some mystery with the PI's (filming) and talk of "someone" knowing that her body was there. Maybe it's just me....If I "knew" that a child's body was lying in a snake filled woods,there is no way I would remain silent. Hopefully, all will be revealed in regards to this situation.mo

[WillowInFlight]

I found his chuckle over possibly finding the body to be less inappropriate than Lee's chuckle over the "odor" that was radiating from his sister's car. Especially, since by that interview he was most likely aware that that smell was the smell of his niece's decomposing body.

Isn't that the truth, that boy couldn't control himself. That made me sick to my stomach.

[Elfinrow]

It may be because it was 3 differnt sites? IIRC that is what was reported, even different color of bags. Also at one time he reported a siting wasn't Caylees remains under water?

I got lost on the Doc Dump site DocStop gah! I also think there were three if not four sites. The bedroom/closet the yard, the trunk and the wooded area where she was recovered. Had the dogs not hit in the yard, I'd not feel this way. Had the Anthony's themselves not made a beeline for their own backyard, I'd not feel this way.
They didnt seem to even care how casey made money, or that she constantly stole money.
What did Casey have that was the most precious commidity to her, $$ wise? It's sad to say but I do believe it could have been Caylee herself.
And now even in Death, this child is becoming a cash cow and that's really hard to accept, watch on a day to day basis. It's horrendous she has not been buried yet! Poor Caylee, she didnt have a chance, actually she did but she just didnt seem to matter enough to this family to ensure her own safety. It's cases like this that really you never forget.

[CANDYKISSES]

I cannot for the life of me remember her nic... I tried yesterday to think of the nic, I scrolled the members list but was told it wouldn'tbe there as CW removes the banned posters.

That was dsmith IIRC, and Snoopy50 has a daughter/son in LE. She has posted about this case too.

[WillowInFlight]

That was dsmith IIRC, and Snoopy50 has a daughter/son in LE. She has posted about this case too.

Thats it, Thanks Candy

[AbbyNormal]

OUCH!!!!!!!!!!!!!:w00t:



when you are right......you are right.......my apologies!!!!!!!!:laugh:
Didn't mean to pain you ~ and I like discussing all the different theories. (or are you laughing at me)?

Every layer in this investigation just gets curiouser and curiouser!

[*MoonRider*]

I just thought of something. Back in the beginning of this case, there was a poster (we talked about her yesterday) that had a daughter in LE who worked with a guy whose brother is working on the Anthony case. She told us way back, IIRC, that LE thought Casey didn't act alone. Whether that meant after the fact, I'm not sure. Maybe that's why Cindy and George are now asking for immunity. Maybe that's Little Bitty's bombshell? Just a thought....

Does anyone remember that posters nic?

[SandyO]

And I think this is why the other Judge today said "he takes the profession to a whole new low"

Jan! Did a judge actually say that today!? My son has been e-mailing me from Iraq in the last two hours and I've been popping in and out here. Did I miss something earthshaking? Help!

[Mimi428]

OHH and she said whom ever says this will be banned :ohmy:

That is exactly what I recall her posting, too.

[kitty1182]

Thanks Candy!




(pm check)


I hope this trial starts soon!!!!!!!

[destiny1]

this it?

VAN SUSTEREN: Does Casey say she borrowed a shovel from a neighbor?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes.

VAN SUSTEREN: And what did she say her purpose of borrowing a shovel...

CINDY ANTHONY: To look (ph) for the bamboo.

VAN SUSTEREN: So to remove the bamboo, which grows very...

CINDY ANTHONY: Rapidly.

VAN SUSTEREN: ... Aggressively.

CINDY ANTHONY: Right. It does. And if we don't keep track of it -- if I don't get rid of that today, I'll have other shoots coming into the rest of the yard.

VAN SUSTEREN: Do you not have a shovel that she could have used?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes, we do have a shovel she could have used. But if she was here and we weren't home -- George and I made a decision when we started locking the sheds this year because last year, Caylee wasn't able to do some of the things she can do this year. So we made a conscious effort to lock the sheds. We have three sheds.


http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html


what does casey weigh? Maybe 110 pounds? does anybody here really know just how agressively bamboo takes root?

Sure she was digging up bamboo!

[8BellesFan]

no thats not the one, cindy was sitting in a chair all by herself, i think it was from a local paper.

there's a similar one from the today show, but I don't have time to search you tube right now. maybe someone else can.

[Elfinrow]

What is interesting is that EVERYONE says that Casey was hardly the person to get dirty doing anything....kind of a prissy type of prima-donna.

Can anyone believe she was in the backyard doing gardening with a borrowed shovel???

Just askin

If she was was harsh enough to attempt to cook up some chloro, then she is not the priss that she tried to present to the world. I truly believe that she handled caylees remains, a LOT. After the fact and tried hard to stop the natural progression of decomp and failed, miserably.
Yes, I can see her with a shovel and I can see her in the woods dumping her body. I can also see her as the type to **** out her child. Based on all her actions, especially based on the erasing of 1200 photos of caylee. It's those erased documents and the redacted info in the txt messages that I think are going to blow this case wide open. Im still not sure it will ever go to trial, I just dont think Casey A has it in her, to stand up to her peers or her parents in a court of law.
She is free of them, I posted that a few times here, even in the jail house visits that are taped you can tell she really doesnt give a rats a$$ that her parents are there nor does she care about the questions she is being asked. Pretty sad to watch those now but It sure helps me to understand what was going on in her head at that very moment.
I dont think she covered up her distain and dislike of her parents very well in those tapes to me. She could never pull off the "im just a sweet innocent girl in court" bit to me. I think her parents are more enamored with the camera lens than she is. She said so herself.
I wish there was a link to the "mini hearing" this morning too! I'd like to see Baez fumble again in the courtroom. He is really good at that!

[steffaroob4]

Yes grammie, I did. I remember those posts from when Little Bitty first posted them, very curious. I think some people knew something before Roy Kronk found those remains. I hope we get to the bottom of it.

IIRC Wasn't that around the same time that the LP theory was being floated around, that LE already had the body?

I get all this stuff confused lately:tongueside:

[marinewife5]

mac...i don't know if this helps or hinders your theory...but d. casey visited casey anthony 8/8/08

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/8/14/parents_to_visit_casey_anthony.html

[CANDYKISSES]

what does casey weigh? Maybe 110 pounds? does anybody here really know just how agressively bamboo takes root?

Sure she was digging up bamboo!

Oh, that just triggered a memory. Remember when Casey tried to tell Cindy she was almost the same size as Caylee?

WOAH....WARNING SIGNS....:unsure: JMO

[SavannahStar]

For whatever it's worth, the two posters were Snoopy50 and LittleBitty. The former is the one with a relative in law enforcement who has friends or contacts in Orlando LE. LittleBitty's inside source wasn't identified in any way.

Snoopy50 is still an active member, or she was a couple days ago when I happened on one of her posts in another forum here. LB was banned.

Again for whatever it's worth, I consider both those posters to be upfront, non-dramatic, and simply trying to share a little inside knowledge. Neither claimed first-hand knowledge. Both stated very plainly in every one of their posts where they were getting their information so that the rest of us could make our own decision what to believe or not believe.

My 2 cents, as I've grown a little tired of seeing these 2 posters being badmouthed on this thread the last couple days.

I don't know anything about LittleBitty. As far as Snoopy50, if her daughter is in LE as she claimed, I think her daughter should definitely NOT have been handing info to her mother about this case, for her mother to share on a message board. I would think her daughter's supervisors in LE wouldn't be too happy about it, do you? What if my son worked for Orlando LE and he came home and gave me all kinds of inside info about this case and I got online here and shared it? I would hope my son would be fired for that type of thing! :cursing:

[8BellesFan]

try this one
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cPIy5w29ukI

[aubrey04]

we had a plaintiff at my law firm (we represented the defendant) who pleaded the Fifth during his entire depo testimony. all we did was file a motion to compel his testimony. the judge granted the motion and VOILA! plaintiff is forced to comply, and he answered the questions.

Isn't that why OJ had to answer Qs during his civil trial? It's a separate matter when you're sued VS a criminal trial. However, can't Baez get the civil suit postponed until after her criminal trial?

[steffaroob4]

That was littlebitty and someone posted her whole post a few pages back.

Was there a date & time stamp on the post? I am curious about the time it was posted.

[Mimi428]

ZFG's attorney, John Morgan (who is by all accounts a well-respected attorney with a very large practice spanning several states, IIRC), did an interview in which he promised the reporters he would roll video of the princess's deposition, whenever and wherever it took place. He also said, IIRC, that he'll do the depo in the jail facility, no problem-o.

And I'm sure he will.

And ITA with you -- Casey will say her name, and that's the last word she'll speak during that deposition.

THANKS! for that info. Very much appreciated.

There won't be enough hours in the day for Baez to keep up with the criminal stuff AND take care of civil stuff as well. Bring on the depositions, puh-lease!

Even better if it is done in the jail facilities.

Now my mind is spinning, trying to think of different questions the Morgan law firm can ask that she should not easily be able to take the 5th on. Ohhhh, the possibilities. I think after she gives her name, she could be asked to relate her living arrangements since she has been out of school & her employment status. But what else could they ask her that she couldn't realistically take the 5th?? Hmmmm

[SavannahStar]

Quite the contrary actually, I have seen a lot of posts lending credibility to their previous comments.

My beef was with the poster's daughter (LE) mainly.

Any "inside" info could compromise the case. I am sure her supervisors would see it that way.

Even Melich got repirimanded for posting on a message board, if you'll recall. Same principle.

[nothingnew]

I cannot for the life of me remember her nic... I tried yesterday to think of the nic, I scrolled the members list but was told it wouldn'tbe there as CW removes the banned posters.

I cannot for the life of me PM someone when their inbox is full.
SavannahStar just answered what I was going to say (I swear!)

AND I found the felon Lenny link so now I am falling behind again

[sunbunny]

Isn't that why OJ had to answer Qs during his civil trial? It's a separate matter when you're sued VS a criminal trial. However, can't Baez get the civil suit postponed until after her criminal trial?

yes, i believe you're correct about OJ. our case was a civil matter, as well. as for your question about Baez... you'll have to ask Katprint, coz i have no idea!! :lol:

[Mairi II]

I don't know anything about LittleBitty. As far as Snoopy50, if her daughter is in LE as she claimed, I think her daughter should definitely NOT have been handing info to her mother about this case, for her mother to share on a message board. I would think her daughter's supervisors in LE wouldn't be too happy about it, do you? What if my son worked for Orlando LE and he came home and gave me all kinds of inside info about this case and I got online here and shared it? I would hope my son would be fired for that type of thing! :cursing:

ITA, SS. It was ridiculous. And, from what I read, she'd throw just enough out there to get people begging for more and then disappear for a while. I didn't believe her for a second.

[aubrey04]

Any chance that you can back up your claim that Leonard Padilla is a convicted felon? That's a very specific thing to state without proof, which is why I am asking. Not calling you a liar or anything but saying someone is a felon is hardly an opinion piece so I am guessing this is publicly recorded somewhere?

I am coming in late and scanning the comments, so forgive me. Lenny did time at a "detention center" for 2 misdemeanors, where he plead guilty. Here is a link to the website that was put up last year while he was running for mayor of Sacramento.

http://www.leonardpadillaformayor.com/skeletons.html

[Elfinrow]

yes, she does!

There are many experts who have profiled this case and have come to this conclusion. Caylee is dead. What she deserves now is a proper burial but instead she is lying in a pile of bones, alone. Day after Day after Day.

I know that some who do post here think this is the only message board on the internet but there are several LE experts and ex LE that have examined all the evidence released so far in this case. They Have come to this conclusion. Just because mainstream media is not discussing it, doesnt mean it wont be proven as fact. To close any window like that would be like turning a blind eye to whatever horrors this child may have been living besides what we know of.
:( So I am very saddened to see that some would rather believe an ambulance chaser or family members in a murder case. For those who have some exp and have followed cases for years this isnt how a crime is dissected. It may be "fun" or fodder for some online but in the real world all avenues must be ruled out:

December 21 radio show, I've posted this link a few times for some to widen their net a bit on this case and to listen to what others think:
scaredmonkeysdotcom sit the radio broadcast of the 21 discusses LP and why how he is harming this case, and the empty apt that may have been used as a photo shoot by Casey M Anthony in the Caylee Anthony case, and how mainstream media is NOT discussing these issues and how truly sad that is. Just click on the play now icon on the radio page if you are truly interested.

* ADA Robin Sax – She will be discussing her new book “Predators and Child Molesters: What Every Parent Needs to Know to Keep Kids Safe”
* Wendy Murphy, a victims’ rights, sex crimes, violence against women and children advocate and the author of “And Justice for Some” will be discussing the Casey Anthony case and the recent events in the discovery of Caylee Anthony.
* Author Diane Fanning will be discussing her new book “The Pastors Wife” the story of the Mary Winkler case. She has also just signed a contract to write a book on the Anthony case
* Tim Miller of Texas EquuSearch will be discussing the Caylee Anthony case.

[tybek]

I don't know anything about LittleBitty. As far as Snoopy50, if her daughter is in LE as she claimed, I think her daughter should definitely NOT have been handing info to her mother about this case, for her mother to share on a message board. I would think her daughter's supervisors in LE wouldn't be too happy about it, do you? What if my son worked for Orlando LE and he came home and gave me all kinds of inside info about this case and I got online here and shared it? I would hope my son would be fired for that type of thing! :cursing:


All though I appreciated someone trying to contribute to our further our understanding of what was going on in the case, I too felt that such updates, if truly coming from someone inside of LE, were inappropriate.

[Lilly12]

My thoughts too January. Something about the whole deal reeks.

Another thought I had about the MR, why go into the woods to relieve yourself, when there are gas stations, restaurants etc near by, It is not as though he were out on the highway with nothing in sight except more highway, or the wilderness. moo

[marinewife5]

Anybody looking at this? I think the Daisy Chain is getting ready to go full circle.

i find the timing a bit curious.

i have not made up my mind on the mr yet...

[WillowInFlight]

Did she have information that could lead us to believe that Casey could have been bipolar? Is that the one?

Yes that was her, remember her daughter was attending meetings or something like that.

[playnice]

Is the dream team laying low or what? No peeps from any of them?

[ishkabibble]

seeing as all of this is speculation I'll throw these in.

Depending on his phone service, a number would have shown on his call to 911 at the very least I would think, so that could be traced unless he was using a disposable.

He could have been seen by someone who wanted to stay under, and used.


as far as pople wanting to protect it, I think that they all knew long before what really happened via a confession whether cryptic or not.
The anthonys had their reasons. The PIs were then hopelessly entangled in this mess.

Lenny? Your guess is as good as mine.

All good points, but why go thru all that,why not just say we reviewed all the interviews and investigation notes and wanted to check out this area again. I mean Kiomarie's statement is right in there, why bring another character into this circus. Any one of those people defense/LE/other interested party could have contacted any of the media and dropped a dime on that location, and remained anonymous. A reporter doesn't have to reveal his source especially if he/she doesn't know who the tipster is.

[norwood]

Question about this civil lawsuit for Zanaida Gonzales....

If the judge allows this to go forward before the murder trial, how does Casey's "right to remain silent" come in. Can she plead the 5th during a deposition or does she have to answer their questions?

Yes, she can take the 5th in a depo. I see this being delayed but on the off chance it doesn't go to trial the depositions can go forward before the trial for the murder of Kaylee.

[marinewife5]

Thanks for the link Marinewife......Semper-Fi

And i thinks it helps my theory....at least it puts them in direct contact with Casey in prison. And what in the world would a PI be talking to her about?....by that time in August, everything she said was proven to be a lie. It's not like Baez going in there to plan a defense. Why would the PI want to have a talk with Casey, if it wasn't to try to get her to tell them the truth?

Just askin

i have had those same questions since that article first appeared...

[Elfinrow]

Isn't that why OJ had to answer Qs during his civil trial? It's a separate matter when you're sued VS a criminal trial. However, can't Baez get the civil suit postponed until after her criminal trial?

Aubrey I just dont know this states law, in some states the criminal charges have to come first, just like in DP's case in IL they will sue him civilly for wrongful death if he isnt brought to trial in a criminal case.
Just like the Browns and others have done in OJ's case. But I thought it had to be after the criminal case.
Does anyone have a bio and link on the new judge and where did Judge S go? I had heard he was moving as they often do with their seats but I thought he was going to keep this case :( I like that judge.