Tuesday Jan 6th. - Part 1

[MalloryCat]

Couple that with her odd "clipped" response when she was told Caylees body had been found and I think we have a BINGO! :wink:

Not really, ever been in shock?

Ever get some some tragic news?

Do you know that when some peoples loved ones dies and they are at a funeral home making arrangments, do you know how many times the Funeral Directors have to repeat stuff because its so hard to deal with for some?

Would it have meant more if Cindy would have started screaming on the phone? Coupled with how many child skulls do you think are hidden less than half a mile from their home.

And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body.

It is hard to imagine a mother killing her child, but to blame her parents is wrong.

jmo

[need2no]

Couple that with her odd "clipped" response when she was told Caylees body had been found and I think we have a BINGO! :wink:

Couple that with Nejame resigning, and Conway popping onto the scene.

[Lavenia]

I thought LP was supposed to take a polygraph, or was that a rumor?

He was, but I never heard that he did. (Wasn't it the FBI that requested it? I thought so because he said he was going back to Ca. to take it and I thought that would work with who was requesting it.)

[Rayosunshine]

Thanks for the info. Does anyone know if the As will attend this hearing?

Not sure, but I remember that the A's deposition with Z's attorney was delayed after the remains were found. So, who knows?

[Barbara fl.]

Absolutely. Remember they said they were following up on a tip and some how ended up on LKL. How strange they could not muster enough energy to look for Caylee at home not once, but managed to fly all the way to California at the same time Caylee was found. Planned.


But to think that...then we would have to think that Larry King was involved also.....(just kidding)....:confused:

[PuffDragon]

Most of these little PIs are flat broke, looking for something to do. They may have sporadic jobs, like following cheating spouses or attempting to locate missing persons, but most have a lot of free time on their hands in this economy. It really doesn't surprise me that some would like to attach themselves to this case and "get their name out there".

Well, that's exactly my point. Who is supporting these close-to-broke persons while they volunteer their services hoping to "get their name[s] out there"? They sure as heck aren't chasing the cheating spouse jobs that pay the rent.

[WillowInFlight]

Exactly. I wonder if they will tell the truth of the matter or if they will risk possible charges to keep Casey's secret. What is so special about her that everyone wants to cover up the truth and risk possibly charges/jail time for her?:unsure: I don't get it.:shrug:

I don't think that there is anything that special about her, though I do think she holds the key to many secrets in that family

[Dells]

Morning everyone. Been reading here everyday just haven't posted. Aside from Caylee being dead the most disgusting thing I find is the fact they haven't buried Caylee yet. Just one one slap in the face to Caylee from her strange family. And I do not believe they are going to have a second autopsy or it's already done. Bet the
A's are just trying to figure out a way to make money from the funeral/memorial.

I think the hold up is the 2nd autopsy. I don't think they have done it yet. I think they are waiting for the pictures and x-rays of Caylee's remains that the prosecution has to hand over (I think today). I bet they don't even want to do the 2nd autopsy. I just think they wanted the pictures and x-rays to get the information as to how her remains appeared when they were found. I think they are looking to see if in fact the duct tape was actually wrapped around the skull. That would have been probably removed from the remains before they were released from the ME. I think their expert will probably examine Caylee's bones too, but I think the most important information that they want is how the remains appeared when they were first found. I think it is the defense's backwards way of getting more information at this time.

[bballgrl]

Not really, ever been in shock?

Ever get some some tragic news?

Do you know that when some peoples loved ones dies and they are at a funeral home making arrangments, do you know how many times the Funeral Directors have to repeat stuff because its so hard to deal with for some?

Would it have meant more if Cindy would have started screaming on the phone? Coupled with how many child skulls do you think are hidden less than half a mile from their home.

And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body.

It is hard to imagine a mother killing her child, but to blame her parents is wrong.

jmo

I didn't blame her parents for anything Mallory. You are reading way too much into my response. Did you even read the question I was responding too.... You are so funny!

[NYGalPal]

But to think that...then we would have to think that Larry King was involved also.....(just kidding)....:confused:

Nah, they could have called up and said "Oh guess what, we are going to be in California to pretend we are following up on a siting. Here is what we want to be on your show because we know you want us...$$$$$$$$$, hotel, airfair..etc.".

[Katt2]

Couple that with her odd "clipped" response when she was told Caylees body had been found and I think we have a BINGO! :wink:

Have we ever heard this odd "clipped" response on tape or are we basing it on hearsay? And if so, whose?

[NYGalPal]

Planned how? How in the hell do you go about finding someone crazy enough to insert themselves into this nightmare and willing to allow their motives, actions and character to be publicly scrutinized? AND happens to have a good reason for being in that neighborhood on a regular basis with the means of finding the child's body? (I have owned a home for 11 years and not once have I ever noticed my meter readers and I know they have been here but I have not seen them. I am a stay at home mom too.) The FBI has been all over him as well as the OCSD, if he was "hired" to find her body then I'm pretty sure the gig is up with LE by now.

I'm confused by your post. I was not talking about the meter reader.

[Pooh]

That would have been the 2nd search Pooh, there were people out searching continually since July, didn't LE also say that when the MR called the 2nd time they checked the records and that area was cleared by cadaver dogs already?

JMO

I don't remember that but that doesn't mean it's not true. Seems to me Tim Miller said that area had been underwater and his folks could not search it properly. I thought the first Equusearch search was on Nov 8th. Again, probably remembering wrong. At least it's the first search I can remember our posters attending.

[Barbara fl.]

I thought LP was supposed to take a polygraph, or was that a rumor?


The FBI had asked him to take one after LP claimed to have found some remains at Blanchard Park, which turned out to be nothing....I believe LE thought he had planted something for some publicity (I think that too) but LP got out of dodge real quick, I think the same night because he was no where to be found by monday morning.....LP then said via satillite that if the FBI wanted him to take one he would take it in California....following that, LP never mentioned it againd nor did he return to Florida...(I believe he didn't return for that reason)...He recently came back when the body was found....I guess he thought that the coast was clear by then......JMO


But I wish they would ask him again....I would love to see those results...And he himself said on NG show that polygraphs are very accurate.....

[ishkabibble]

Like I said before, a leak from the tipline and an opportunistic player that used Kronks obvious concern about something he inadvertantly stumbled upon earlier. Drama/ script?

I'm not sure I see a conspiracy there(yet!!) It seems in so many cases people just happen upon a missing persons remains. Chandra Levy is a perfect example. Searchers were very close to her and didn't find her. Later a guy looking for "turtles" comes across her body. The area she was in was very dense and inaccessible. I'm gonna go with coincidence for the time being. I need to see more of the crime scene photos, prior to the area being cleared before I let myself think otherwise.

[bballgrl]

Have we ever heard this odd "clipped" response on tape or are we basing it on hearsay? And if so, whose?


I don't believe that the phone call on the plane was taped (I mean, why would they tape such a thing) The response was reported on in the papers I believe, but since I don't have a link, it could be hearsay. But, for some reason, I personally don't doubt it.

[Barbara fl.]

Nah, they could have called up and said "Oh guess what, we are going to be in California to pretend we are following up on a siting. Here is what we want to be on your show because we know you want us...$$$$$$$$$, hotel, airfair..etc.".


Well I think we all know that their so called looking for Caylee in California was a pretend....I believe it was you who said "if they didn't look here why would they look all the way in California"...I agree it was all BS...They knew all along that Caylee was deceased...

JMO

[destiny1]

Not really, ever been in shock?

Ever get some some tragic news?

Do you know that when some peoples loved ones dies and they are at a funeral home making arrangments, do you know how many times the Funeral Directors have to repeat stuff because its so hard to deal with for some?

Would it have meant more if Cindy would have started screaming on the phone? Coupled with how many child skulls do you think are hidden less than half a mile from their home.

And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body.

It is hard to imagine a mother killing her child, but to blame her parents is wrong.

jmo

I personally don't blame the parents and I would never ever evaluate the reaction to bad news as I have frozen in the face of it before, but It is my, and the opinion of many others that the Anthonys knew the fate of Caylee long before we did.

[*MoonRider*]

I've seen some references to George knowing the body was moved nine times, but never any confirmation.

Can anyone post a link to this? TIA:thumbup:

I just signed on and am trying to catch up so I apologize if this has already been posted. GA 9 times http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks

[nothingnew]

This is what gets me. There is so much information that goes in a complete inwards spiral and it should be cut and dry. What the heck!

I've read:

Remains have been released to the funeral home.
Remains kept for 2nd autopsy
Remains already autopsy'd and waiting on state to produce corresponding docs.
Remains weren't needed as there was nothing to autopsy and only the documentation of xrays etc were needed.

This is not complicated information to relay. What's with all the stories.

Remains have been released to funeral home per policy of medical examiner's lab (they are finished with them). 2nd autopsy (IF baez and company wants to do their own) can take place at funeral home or some other place (other than ME's lab-that is an issue for Baez). Remains are currently at funeral home (not at morgue as keeps being mentioned). Remains will be buried/cremated when family gives the ok. SO-the ball is in casey's court at the moment.
imo

[ishkabibble]

Planned how? How in the hell do you go about finding someone crazy enough to insert themselves into this nightmare and willing to allow their motives, actions and character to be publicly scrutinized? AND happens to have a good reason for being in that neighborhood on a regular basis with the means of finding the child's body? (I have owned a home for 11 years and not once have I ever noticed my meter readers and I know they have been here but I have not seen them. I am a stay at home mom too.) The FBI has been all over him as well as the OCSD, if he was "hired" to find her body then I'm pretty sure the gig is up with LE by now.

I think that LE vetted him pretty well in the week before it was revealed that he had called in those tips in August. I don't think he kept it a secret that he had called prior to December. If there was anything hinkey about him they would know. And if he was connected to the case thru Casey I'm sure her attorney is aware and would be screaming from the rooftops that he (Kronk) is a suspect. The defense has been very quiet about Mr. Kronk. I think they know he is not involved.

[shelbar53]

I think casey told someone where she hid the body. the PI's were looking for it. In that vegatation it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Maybe thats why they were videotaping so they could show casey and she could pin point more of an area. Im sure when casey dumped the body she wasnt checking her odometer so she could say, drive 0.6 miles from surbabian, or whatever.

along comes the MR and throws a monkey wrench in the plan.

thats why casey got so upset, she thought the PI's would find the body. The A's being in calif was just a lucky coincidence and by lucky, I mean, LE could hi tail it to their house with a search warrent.

now what story are the PIs coming up with? I think at first they were saying...look we taped that area and no body...not thinking past their nose and were dumbfounded when people said "why were you looking their in the first place?"

First they were together on going to get the body, then the one PI said he was being followed, they have a tape, the tape was recorded over, the FBI has the tape, LP and a reporter saw some of the tape.

whatever, I think the PIs knew something.

[marshmallow]

Have we ever heard this odd "clipped" response on tape or are we basing it on hearsay? And if so, whose?



on Baez's...

[8BellesFan]

I just signed on and am trying to catch up so I apologize if this has already been posted. GA 9 times http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks


and he says he's been to all 9 places....:huh:

[Neffy]

I didn't blame her parents for anything Mallory. You are reading way too much into my response. Did you even read the question I was responding too.... You are so funny!

Quite comical I agree.


They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body."

Does anyone know what in the world is this about? If seen this in different variations being posted as of yesterday but the board was clipping along and I was looking up other things.

[Motomom]

snipped

And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body.



jmo

They went and sat with Caylees body? You were asked last night for a link to this, do you have one? did they really go sit with her bones? Somehow I doubt that, it was a crime scene..but I guess anything is possible..so did they or didn't they? anyone know the truth?

[destiny1]

I'm not sure I see a conspiracy there(yet!!) It seems in so many cases people just happen upon a missing persons remains. Chandra Levy is a perfect example. Searchers were very close to her and didn't find her. Later a guy looking for "turtles" comes across her body. The area she was in was very dense and inaccessible. I'm gonna go with coincidence for the time being. I need to see more of the crime scene photos, prior to the area being cleared before I let myself think otherwise.

I wouldn't call it a conspiracy. Just opportunistic people, no matter their motives. Have one like that in the family.

[Neffy]

They went and sat with Caylees body? You were asked last night for a link to this, do you have one? did they really go sit with her bones? Somehow I doubt that, it was a crime scene..but I guess anything is possible..so did they or didn't they? anyone know the truth?

LOL I didn't even notice same poster was posting this? :glare:

I don't believe anyone was given admittance as it was a crime scene.

[8BellesFan]

They went and sat with Caylees body? You were asked last night for a link to this, do you have one? did they really go sit with her bones? Somehow I doubt that, it was a crime scene..but I guess anything is possible..so did they or didn't they? anyone know the truth?

I watched the rerun of JVM this morning and heard someone on her panel or her say that too. Don't know which one cause it was 4 am and I was trying to doze back off.

[NYGalPal]

Well I think we all know that their so called looking for Caylee in California was a pretend....I believe it was you who said "if they didn't look here why would they look all the way in California"...I agree it was all BS...They knew all along that Caylee was deceased...

JMO

Yes, this is what I believe. Of course it was BS. To be honest I have no clue how the meter reader fits in, but I'm leaning towards "coincidence" on his part. I could be wrong though.

[ishkabibble]

Well, that's exactly my point. Who is supporting these close-to-broke persons while they volunteer their services hoping to "get their name[s] out there"? They sure as heck aren't chasing the cheating spouse jobs that pay the rent.

I think they do a lot of survelliance for work related injury claims. Looking to catch people with back injuries carrying boxes, doing manual labor, etc. You would be surprised at the $ you can make doing that.
I think these two guys do OK.

[MalloryCat]

They went and sat with Caylees body? You were asked last night for a link to this, do you have one? did they really go sit with her bones? Somehow I doubt that, it was a crime scene..but I guess anything is possible..so did they or didn't they? anyone know the truth?

How could I provide a link when I heard it on Nancy and there were no transcripts? Lets not make it sound like I couldnt find one since at the time is was breaking news on Nancy.

Thanks.

LANCE: No, Nancy, that hasn`t been indicated as far as any security. However, spokespeople at the funeral home did say that they were keeping a watch on these remains. We do know that George and Cindy Anthony did go by and sit with the remains at some point. But no indication that there`s been private security that has been asked to be at the funeral home for the remains.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

There ya go.

[Dunlurken]

I wondered about that also. It was said on one of the shows that Casey would have to give permission to anyone wanting to do the arrangements.

Why don't Cindy and George have control of the remains?

Sorry, Just logging on.

[Jpanda]

I think casey told someone where she hid the body. the PI's were looking for it. In that vegatation it was like looking for a needle in a haystack. Maybe thats why they were videotaping so they could show casey and she could pin point more of an area. Im sure when casey dumped the body she wasnt checking her odometer so she could say, drive 0.6 miles from surbabian, or whatever.

along comes the MR and throws a monkey wrench in the plan.

thats why casey got so upset, she thought the PI's would find the body. The A's being in calif was just a lucky coincidence and by lucky, I mean, LE could hi tail it to their house with a search warrent.

now what story are the PIs coming up with? I think at first they were saying...look we taped that area and no body...not thinking past their nose and were dumbfounded when people said "why were you looking their in the first place?"

First they were together on going to get the body, then the one PI said he was being followed, they have a tape, the tape was recorded over, the FBI has the tape, LP and a reporter saw some of the tape.

whatever, I think the PIs knew something.

I am on exactly the same page as you shelbar. It is way too coincidental that they were filming in that area...and that Baez freaked out once LE wanted to interview them, and filed that motion.

I don't think G and C knew though, or were involved, although I admit I could be wrong about that. I'm just trying to hold out hope.

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Not seeing that one Regina, :sneaky:.

Not a chance IMO.

I wonder if it came indirectly through Baez himself, given he wanted a Special Master to oversee a hearing about anything gleaned from the defense during their employ.....:tongue:

That is EXACTLY why baez is begging for a "special master" in my opinion, yours too I bet. On NG, way back in the beginning when baez was sending the "immunity" letters and emails, they discussed that baez could be breaking the law if he knew where Caylee's body was and failed to inform LE.

IMO, baez has known all along that Caylee was dead and in those woods.

[no1what]

The one piece of info that some of us are overlooking is the fact that ALL the Anthony's have lawyered up. All of their lawyers have offered cooperation in exchange for immunity. These are well documented facts.

Now if Padilla is correct, we have to assume that LE and the Feds know or knew about these tapes, photo stills, etc. Padilla would not just go on a National talk show and outright lie. He is not stupid, just a little bit of a media wh@re. Now if you believe this as fact, which I do, then someone must have tipped them off to go into that swamp area. It also makes sense that the PI's would have reported to the Anthony's about this. WHich makes them guilty as hell of covering up the crime.

Now....is it a leap of faith....the only part that is, IMO, is the question of where the tip came from. But that still does not make Cindy and George less guilty. Also, Padilla was told that "they were going to search for a dead Caylee". Who knew she was dead and the body was there? Except Casey, and Maybe George and Cindy. Maybe Lee.

This also dovetails nicely into the fact that the only "Childrens search Organization" that would have anything to do with this case was KFN, who has no credibility and is run by a convicted felon, as well as a man that feels it is necessary to attack reporters. There are about 100 missing children organizations that I have found on the web.....and this is the best that the Anthony's could do?

It also dovetails that anyone with ANY credibility has been either thrown under the bus, or just got out and away from Cindy.

I don't know folks...it just makes a lot of sense that maybe Casey sent a message through Baez and finally confessed, then everyone involved is guilty of at least obstruction, Fraud, ...the list is endless.

Just my mind working before my morning coffee, but it does make sense.

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Padilla's remarks sometimes seem way out there but then as the evidence is revealed he's on target.

Truths in the video statement:
1. the 15th he refers to is in Nov regarding the conversation with the PI on finding Caylee's remains.
2. viewing the video he states the location of the video which is also on target.
3. he states the facts regarding one of the PI's being on the cell phone and that LE/FBI have the cell phone and the video.
4. he stated that one of the PI's wanted to retreive the video from the other PI.
5. both PI's were working for the gp's during the time the video was taken so there should be no discovery issue with Casey's case.
6. the statement he is making regarding the meter reader having inside info was mentioned on NG last night (the MR knows one of the female LE at the prison) so maybe a little inside info maybe not but Padilla was correct in his statement regarding the MR.

[Pooh]

First big search was in August Pooh, Tim was back here 2 weeks prior to the 2nd big search in November and did checkout some area's of interest himself.

JMO

Ok - I figured I was not remembering correctly. Thanks for the info!

[Motomom]

How could I provide a link when I heard it on Nancy and there were no transcripts? Lets not make it sound like I couldnt find one since at the time is was breaking news on Nancy.

Thanks.

Uh, NG has transcripts updated doesn't she? It would be on the transcript. People post her transcripts every night just about..so if it was said on NG its on her transcript. You are posting it as fact, yet not providing a link. Which night was it heard on NG then?

[kitty1182]

That is EXACTLY why baez is begging for a "special master" in my opinion, yours too I bet. On NG, way back in the beginning when baez was sending the "immunity" letters and emails, they discussed that baez could be breaking the law if he knew where Caylee's body was and failed to inform LE.

IMO, baez has known all along that Caylee was dead and in those woods.


I believe he has known all along too..

[Dunlurken]

Could Lee have known where the remains were, thus his possible indictment?

[8BellesFan]

Why don't Cindy and George have control of the remains?

Sorry, Just logging on.


I don't know who has control, only that it was said that it was Casey's decision if she wanted to give control to anyone else. The second exam needs to be done and let the little girl rest in peace.

[kitty1182]

I don't know who has control, only that it was said that it was Casey's decision if she wanted to give control to anyone else. The second exam needs to be done and let the little girl rest in peace.

Amen!!!!!!!!! I wish they would hurry and get done so she can have a proper burial..

[Neffy]

It is my understanding the remains have been released to the funeral home so I guess it is possible and would be considered normal. Are you envisioning something other than that?


"And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body."

So are you saying the above post relates to the Anthony's at the funeral home sitting with Caylee's remains. OMG

Talk about sensationalizing a post!

"AFTER THEY WERE TOLD how many interviews did they do" with a tag on of they went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body."
LEADS one to believe they went to the crime scene NOT the funeral home.

[destiny1]

LOL I didn't even notice same poster was posting this? :glare:

I don't believe anyone was given admittance as it was a crime scene.

That crime scene was locked up tighter than Fort Knox. There is no way.

[Motomom]

Why don't Cindy and George have control of the remains?

Sorry, Just logging on.

I believe they do now Dun. IIRC Casey signed off on it. Should be in the links section.

[WillowInFlight]

Why don't Cindy and George have control of the remains?

Sorry, Just logging on.

Because Casey is the mother.

[Dunlurken]

That is EXACTLY why baez is begging for a "special master" in my opinion, yours too I bet. On NG, way back in the beginning when baez was sending the "immunity" letters and emails, they discussed that baez could be breaking the law if he knew where Caylee's body was and failed to inform LE.

IMO, baez has known all along that Caylee was dead and in those woods.

Why would Baez ask for a "special master"? Craziest thing I've ever heard. (I know they exist, etc., but what's the point?)

[Neffy]

Uh, NG has transcripts updated doesn't she? It would be on the transcript. People post her transcripts every night just about..so if it was said on NG its on her transcript. You are posting it as fact, yet not providing a link. Which night was it heard on NG then?

Someone did post some transcripts last night, I started reading but had gotten to sleepy. Perhaps those are the same ones hmmmm?

[CANDYKISSES]

ITA, I don't think it was just a coincidence that Caylee was found while they were out of state.

Not with the nightmare they've put LE through as LE worked diligently to find out what really happened to Caylee.

I must say it was a fitting close for a bizarre story and THE WORST I CAN THINK OF FOR A CHILD WHO DESERVED SO MUCH BETTER IMO. :crying:

[nothingnew]

Caylee is found 12/11, lenny gets here on the 13th or 14. Yep 3 or 4 days is almost a week.

JMO

Let me translate for ya-Caylee found on the 11th-Lenny says 16th or 17th-that would be 5 or 6 days-HERE in California (being so informal and all) that would be about a week.

Anything on the local news this am on the hearing today?

[Regina.Lampert]

I hear they are both very depressed and on medication. It would be out of the question for them to take a Poly.... LOL :biggrin:

Hiya BB!! Actually, I meant Hoover and Dom Casey....lol.

[8BellesFan]

GRACE: To Natisha Lance. Is there any security at that funeral home?

LANCE: No, Nancy, that hasn`t been indicated as far as any security. However, spokespeople at the funeral home did say that they were keeping a watch on these remains. We do know that George and Cindy Anthony did go by and sit with the remains at some point. But no indication that there`s been private security that has been asked to be at the funeral home for the remains.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[Dunlurken]

Because Casey is the mother.

I knew that child wouldn't be buried any time soon. Casey is innocent until proven guilty. What a frigging mess! So, why won't Casey let her child be buried in peace? Quietly, no fan fare, etc. Want to know why? Because Baez and Padilla have their hands in this. JMO.

[Motomom]

It is my understanding the remains have been released to the funeral home so I guess it is possible and would be considered normal. Are you envisioning something other than that?

HI Brat.. No it wasn't posted that they went and sat with her at the funeral home. It was posted to lead people to believe they went to the crime scene. I can see them goign to the funeral home. I still doubt that they viewed her remains, though I think I may have wanted to, so I don't think anything odd with that.

[shelbar53]

I don't post much but wanted to clarify how I remember this incident. IIRC Litty Bitty was talking about breaking news and it came from Murt. :mad: The only news Murt had was that someone was trespassing on his property. I liked her posts and ability to transcribe NG live. MOO

Hmmmm for some reason, I dont think the news she had came from Murt. what ever happend to the poster whos son was LE in orlando and all he waould to her, or all she would would tell us, is there is some pretty bad information that is yet to come.

[SavannahStar]

"And after they were told how many interviews did they do? They went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body."

So are you saying the above post relates to the Anthony's at the funeral home sitting with Caylee's remains. OMG

Talk about sensationalizing a post!

"AFTER THEY WERE TOLD how many interviews did they do" with a tag on of they went into seclusion, I thank God that we didn't see footage of news vans and helicopters following them to sit with Caylees body."
LEADS one to believe they went to the crime scene NOT the funeral home.

I read Mallory's posts about it this morning and last night. I assumed it was sat at the funeral home. And when she posted last night I assumed she got it from NG as that was right after NG started (though I was not personally watching).

"They went and sat with Caylee's bones" (which is what she posted last night) sure didn't sound like going to the crime scene to me.

[CANDYKISSES]

there was so much more to their little 'just like you" conversation that we will ever know. I also believe that little conversation plays right along with Lees "last time" question to casey. I am just suspicious now of anything and everything.

Me too, and I can see that comment exchange with gritting teeth. :w00t:

[destiny1]

If baez knew where, in general Caylees body was, then the law says that there is an attorney client privilege, but what happens if the attorney himself becomes complicit when there is a third party, ie the PIs that know? at that point, is he himself breaking any law?

[kitty1182]

GRACE: To Natisha Lance. Is there any security at that funeral home?

LANCE: No, Nancy, that hasn`t been indicated as far as any security. However, spokespeople at the funeral home did say that they were keeping a watch on these remains. We do know that George and Cindy Anthony did go by and sit with the remains at some point. But no indication that there`s been private security that has been asked to be at the funeral home for the remains.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html



I hope there is security at the funeral home....I hope those remains are locked up...

[ishkabibble]

ANY hope I had left of this actually becoming about CAYLEE is lost and I didnt think it could be more disgusting.

These people waste precious time trying to interupt an ACTIVE crime scene twice! Now they how that baby's bones laying there. For WHAT!

She was tossed out in the freaking woods like trash.
She was left there to rot and be dragged about by animals.
Now she's being left alone AGAIN!:crying:

And not one single person has a funeral date for her?!!!:cursing:

But we NOW have the CASEY tipline?:cursing:

Where is the sanity, compassion, pain and mourning? Where is the RESPECT!

You would think Baez would tell his client to try and appear sympathetic, don't order any pop tarts, chicken lunches or playing cards for a week or two. Maybe order some kleenex to make it seem like you give a s**t that your daughter's remains have been picked clean by small animals. No he'd rather she act the way she has so he can say she can't get a fair trial in Orlando.

[Neffy]

What in the world are you talking about???????? I was saying viewing or "sitting with" her remains is a normal thing to do when someone you love dies.

That I agree with. The poster made no mention that it was at the FUNERAL HOME and the way it's written alludes to the Anthony's sitting at the crime scene with the remains.

[8BellesFan]

Amen!!!!!!!!! I wish they would hurry and get done so she can have a proper burial..

me too. this is getting to be nonsense just leaving her there waiting

[Motomom]

How could I provide a link when I heard it on Nancy and there were no transcripts? Lets not make it sound like I couldnt find one since at the time is was breaking news on Nancy.

Thanks.

LANCE: No, Nancy, that hasn`t been indicated as far as any security. However, spokespeople at the funeral home did say that they were keeping a watch on these remains. We do know that George and Cindy Anthony did go by and sit with the remains at some point. But no indication that there`s been private security that has been asked to be at the funeral home for the remains.



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

There ya go.


Thank you Cat.. it wasn't the crime scene, it was the funeral home. Makes much more sense.

[WillowInFlight]

I knew that child wouldn't be buried any time soon. Casey is innocent until proven guilty. What a frigging mess! So, why won't Casey let her child be buried in peace? Quietly, no fan fare, etc. Want to know why? Because Baez and Padilla have their hands in this. JMO.

Oh good Lord, so you think it's Lenny fault that Caylee hasn't been buried?

[shelbar53]

Ok folks, for those of you who dont have this link in your favorites here it is. Its a CNN site for all of NG's transcripts. It updates itself after each show. I recommend bookmarking it. :biggrin:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

[newsjunkie]

I am on exactly the same page as you shelbar. It is way too coincidental that they were filming in that area...and that Baez freaked out once LE wanted to interview them, and filed that motion.

I don't think G and C knew though, or were involved, although I admit I could be wrong about that. I'm just trying to hold out hope.

jmo


I wonder if Casey told them where to look and they totally expected to find Caylee so they told LP they found her wanting to oneup him because he wanted to find her.
Then it backfired on them because they couldn't find her?

Just my curiousity :unsure:

[Dunlurken]

Someone did post some transcripts last night, I started reading but had gotten to sleepy. Perhaps those are the same ones hmmmm?

He waffles, he doesn't give proper dates. He confuses people by saying the 15. 15th of what.... November/December? When he says stuff like that I want to shake him. Doesn't he know we need facts! :cursing:

[CANDYKISSES]

Couple that with Nejame resigning, and Conway popping onto the scene.


YES, this makes sense when you pull it together IMO. :unsure:

[destiny1]

I hope there is security at the funeral home....I hope those remains are locked up...

That is a sick thought, but the general security at funeral homes is one or two guys from what I see. The remains if they have been examined by the defense people are no longer part of a crime scene. Remember, they were supposed to be waiting for this "second autopsy" before releasing her remains for burial.

[WillowInFlight]

You would think Baez would tell his client to try and appear sympathetic, don't order any pop tarts, chicken lunches or playing cards for a week or two. Maybe order some kleenex to make it seem like you give a s**t that your daughter's remains have been picked clean by small animals. No he'd rather she act the way she has so he can say she can't get a fair trial in Orlando.

To be honest, I don't think anyone can control Casey, sure Baez can instruct her, but Casey is going to do what Casey wants to do.

[CANDYKISSES]

Oh good Lord, so you think it's Lenny fault that Caylee hasn't been buried?

Deep breathing.....:thumbsup:

[Katt2]

on Baez's...

How would he know? He isn't the one who notified the grandparents. LE notified them and to my knowledge they have never made that statement--so who told the media this is how they reacted?

[MandyMia]

Good Morning - I'm not staying - seems heated already - I just want to post a BIG thank you to Lorakai (and to Landshark for bumping it up) I have been looking for it since I thought it disappeared - I want it in one of my posts in case I lose it again :smile:
I am talking about the "sticky" of timeline and documents ----- so so well done and almost a must if you post on here lol - I'm always spending so much time to look for back up to what I post so this should help everyone lol

:thumbsup: Just a ton of work and it and I think will be helpful to everyone!
Thank you, Thank you, Thank you!

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=340038

[Dunlurken]

HE needs to know what is going to be said....especially any damming evidence concerning his ethics.

REgina is right though....he knew about the body in the woods......all the evidence points to that. IMO

What does he need to know, that isn't already known? The "special master" makes no sense to me, but that's just me. Is a "special master" an unbiased third party? Is there such a thing in this case?

[Elle]

That is EXACTLY why baez is begging for a "special master" in my opinion, yours too I bet. On NG, way back in the beginning when baez was sending the "immunity" letters and emails, they discussed that baez could be breaking the law if he knew where Caylee's body was and failed to inform LE.

IMO, baez has known all along that Caylee was dead and in those woods.

Good morning Regina,
Do you off hand remember when it was that Baez asked the court to grant Casey a little local sight seeing tour with Baez (unsupervised IIRC and with no media allowed) to visit a few places of interest (where Casey left Caylee IMO)? Wasn't it right before she was arrested and charged with Murder1?
tia

[kitty1182]

That is a sick thought, but the general security at funeral homes is one or two guys from what I see. The remains if they have been examined by the defense people are no longer part of a crime scene. Remember, they were supposed to be waiting for this "second autopsy" before releasing her remains for burial.



Until the second autopsy is done, I think the remains should be locked up..Not saying anyone that may go and sit with the remains would do anything, but I haven't heard that the second one has been done yet..:wink:

[Elle]

With all the camera crews around the recovery site I doubt that the A's went there, also since it was a secured area only LE personal would be allowed in. GA also said that they have not been there and have no plans of going there.

JMO

Hello,
It is my thinking that they have gone and sat with her in the funeral home.

[Neffy]

I read Mallory's posts about it this morning and last night. I assumed it was sat at the funeral home. And when she posted last night I assumed she got it from NG as that was right after NG started (though I was not personally watching).

"They went and sat with Caylee's bones" (which is what she posted last night) sure didn't sound like going to the crime scene to me.

They sat with the "Caylees bones" ??? I have never in my life heard of remains in a funeral home described as this. That is really insulting and degrades and diminishes the sanctity of laying the remains to rest to hear it described like this in a funeral home atmosphere.

[Lilly12]

Yes that is exactly what I'm thinking. And if we're right about all that, then Casey is TOAST.

jmo

Why, why would Casey tell where the body was and not fess up the rest? moo

[destiny1]

Anyone notice this post besides me? I do recall LP saying on Nancy's show just before Christmas that the meter reader had been tipped off. A theory which I happen to agree with. Says here that he knows someone that works in the prison. Hmmmmmm.

I will never forget "she's dead and We're going to get her now" remark.

PIs formerly connected to Baez,
Possible confession.

What if baez knew a month beofre when the tape was allegedly made? Does the third and fourth party blow attorney client privilege?

Does baez break any laws in knowing where a body is and not reporting it? I don't think so legally, but I do ethically.

[8BellesFan]

I am not a lawyer but I do know and have stated before that lawyers can decline to know certain details. Like not asking Casey for the truth because if he truly knows the truth he can not give her a real defense based upon the nanny theory, it would be suborning perjury. I believe he could legally decline to know what they found, and therefor not be in violation of evidence procedures.


if they go with the nanny theory, they better say they were lied to about her name. JMO

[MalloryCat]

Anyone notice this post besides me? I do recall LP saying on Nancy's show just before Christmas that the meter reader had been tipped off. A theory which I happen to agree with. Says here that he knows someone that works in the prison. Hmmmmmm.


Even if he does know someone working at the jail that means nothing. If Casey confided in a guard they wouldnt be secretive and go to a meter reader with the info, they would go to a detective, and is it so rare to know a cop, or jail worker, I know 3 cops who live in my building, its a small world.

jmo

[*MoonRider*]

I specifically remember she said something big was going to come out that would put to rest any speculation that Caylee was alive or that the Anthony's know she's dead, something like that. I remember getting the impression that whatever it was had to do with the Anthony's and what they know/don't know.

Could this be it? Dec. 2nd. George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming. http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.
George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.

[Dunlurken]

That is a sick thought, but the general security at funeral homes is one or two guys from what I see. The remains if they have been examined by the defense people are no longer part of a crime scene. Remember, they were supposed to be waiting for this "second autopsy" before releasing her remains for burial.

I'm worried about too. You can bet the National Enquirer, Globe, or someone is going to get in there and photo her remains. JMO. But that poor little sweet child.... (Papa, are you tired?) will be exploited even more. JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

Okay, here is part of the little bitty post, that Pebbles quoted:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12509433&postcount=642

if you go to advanced search option and type in "little birdy" you can view the discussions about little bitty's info. Interesting that the posts about the huge development were made on 12/9/08, two days before the discover of Caylee's remains.

[st777jo]

He's already lied about going in the woods to relieve himself and accidentally stumbling on it.

I just read this a few posts back. Is this true about the MR??
Anyone know. TIA
jo

[WillowInFlight]

Could this be it? Dec. 2nd. George, Cindy Anthony: Big Break In Case Coming. http://www.wesh.com/news/18188923/detail.html

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Caylee's grandparents, George and Cindy Anthony, said a big development in the case is on the way.
George Anthony wouldn't elaborate much further, but said a team of private investigators are working on a new lead that could lead to the discovery of the girl.
"There is just a lot of positive things that are still happening. A lot more people are coming forward because they can see some progress of bringing Caylee home and it's pretty awesome stuff. I can't be too specific with you but we believe we're close," he said.
In that same article it says Lenny plans Christmas Day Vigil Planned For Caylee, do we know if that happened?

[Dunlurken]

I will never forget "she's dead and We're going to get her now" remark.



snipping to address:

That was the most bizarre thing I ever heard. But, no one went to get her.

Wasn't that November 11th when that statement was made (according to Padilla?) That's why he needs to say November vs. December, etc. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Okay, here is part of the little bitty post, that Pebbles quoted:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12509433&postcount=642

if you go to advanced search option and type in "little birdy" you can view the discussions about little bitty's info. Interesting that the posts about the huge development were made on 12/9/08, two days before the discover of Caylee's remains.

Very interesting!!!!!

[Lilly12]

I hear they are both very depressed and on medication. It would be out of the question for them to take a Poly.... LOL :biggrin:


They should have taken a Poly immediately. Now they think they have an excuse. But............moo

[Lavenia]

I specifically remember she said something big was going to come out that would put to rest any speculation that Caylee was alive or that the Anthony's know she's dead, something like that. I remember getting the impression that whatever it was had to do with the Anthony's and what they know/don't know.

ARGH! I tried using the WayBackMachine to pull those pages up but no dice. I think you may be right.

[Dunlurken]

Okay, here is part of the little bitty post, that Pebbles quoted:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12509433&postcount=642

if you go to advanced search option and type in "little birdy" you can view the discussions about little bitty's info. Interesting that the posts about the huge development were made on 12/9/08, two days before the discover of Caylee's remains.

I remember that.

[bballgrl]

Hiya BB!! Actually, I meant Hoover and Dom Casey....lol.

Yeah, I knew that Reg... I was being Sar-Cas-Tic.. I know, hard to believe that from ME, huh? LOL

[newsjunkie]

I will never forget "she's dead and We're going to get her now" remark.

PIs formerly connected to Baez,
Possible confession.

What if baez knew a month beofre when the tape was allegedly made? Does the third and fourth party blow attorney client privilege?

Does baez break any laws in knowing where a body is and not reporting it? I don't think so legally, but I do ethically.



And if he knew just maybe that's why he didn't bother picking up the "tips" CD?

[8BellesFan]

Which any jury would buy into, given Casey's track record.....WOW...now Casey needs an attorney to defend her from her attorney.....wild stuff!!!


personally, I'm ready to give her LWOPOS

(life without parole or snacks)

[daHawg]

snipping to address:

That was the most bizarre thing I ever heard. But, no one went to get her.

Wasn't that November 11th when that statement was made (according to Padilla?) That's why he needs to say November vs. December, etc. JMO.

GRACE: OK. Leonard Padilla, when were you told this information?

PADILLA: The 16th , 17th .of December, about a week --

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you? When?

PADILLA: About the 16th or 17th of December. I had been there for about a week after the body was discovered.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[need2no]

They sat with the "Caylees bones" ??? I have never in my life heard of remains in a funeral home described as this. That is really insulting and degrades and diminishes the sanctity of laying the remains to rest to hear it described like this in a funeral home atmosphere.

Nor have I.

I also find that odd considering George's statement just a couple of days ago:

Anthony said he can not drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BFEE0F7B4CA1CA91A1D53413519D182F ?contentId=8187300&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1


Yet they went to the funeral home and sat with 'her bones'?

[Elle]

Hi, Elle, if my memory serves, (I might be wrong don't blast me) it was during her house arrest. And this is why she had to ask permission. I remember because I thought, how bizarre, she is lazing around in this house cooking dinner and such day after day, and now she is asking permission to go on a daytrip without supervision and without the media or LE? I thought she was just going to attempt to jump in a car and flee SP style. At the time I did not put two and two together but now it all makes sense.

Good morning January!
Thank you, you are right (and even if you were not I would never blast you). yes, I agree, the pieces fit like a glove.

[st777jo]

We do not really know that is a lie, that could be the original circumstances that he discovered her remains. We do know that was NOT the case when LE finally came out and discovered the remains though!

thanks Bratlings

[Dunlurken]

We do not really know that is a lie, that could be the original circumstances that he discovered her remains. We do know that was NOT the case when LE finally came out and discovered the remains though!

Kronk's going in there 3 times... calling LE, didn't want to give his name because he was an employee of the county, makes no sense either. So, he waits until December, goes back. He knew she was there since August. Someone told him and I'm finding him less and less credible. JMO.

He even said... "I'm not saying it's little Caylee" on the second call, maybe the first. someone kept sending him back there.

[Pooh]

What does he need to know, that isn't already known? The "special master" makes no sense to me, but that's just me. Is a "special master" an unbiased third party? Is there such a thing in this case?

You must have missed Katprint's lengthy post from yesterday explaining just that.

[desmom]

Why, why would Casey tell where the body was and not fess up the rest? moo

I agree and why would Casey tell where the body was without asking for some type of plea deal?

IMO, Caylee's remains being found that close to home with something "directly related to the Anthony home" only strengthens the prosecution's case.

IMO, Casey did not tell anyone anything.

[WillowInFlight]

WOW, I cant imagine any grandparent being that snide in regard to their loved ones remains. No way I can buy that.

Me neither, but then again we haven't seen too much that would be considered normal by this family.

[SavannahStar]

They sat with the "Caylees bones" ??? I have never in my life heard of remains in a funeral home described as this. That is really insulting and degrades and diminishes the sanctity of laying the remains to rest to hear it described like this in a funeral home atmosphere.


When I read Mallory's short post last night, I detected shock and sadness in it. Not disrespect......I got out of it that she felt it was just heartbreaking that the grandparents who loved Caylee so very much were sitting in a funeral home with just her bones.....because of what Casey had done to her.

That's what I got out of the post, nothing degrading on Mallory's part.

Of course I know Mallory is not in the clique of favored posters :sad:......that may have something to do with your take on it. It's all in what we as individuals read into posts I guess.

Maybe Mallory could explain further if she chooses....or maybe she has. I've been offline for a while. I've not known her to be disrespectful when speaking of Caylee or her death or her remains.

[Neffy]

Could be another part of "The daisy chain" or the start of a "conga line".

JMO

ROFLMAO "CONGA LINE"

Now that is a perfect description!

[no1what]

If baez knew where, in general Caylees body was, then the law says that there is an attorney client privilege, but what happens if the attorney himself becomes complicit when there is a third party, ie the PIs that know? at that point, is he himself breaking any law?

I may be wrong but IMO this is the law:

1. what the client tells the lawyer is confident.
2. but if the client tells the attorney something and the attorney goes to SEE the item disclosed. depending on the item it may not be privileged once the attorney SEE's the item/body. (what the attorney sees is not confident). ex. the attorney can not withhold documents either once it is in his/her possession if the document is breaking the law.
3. if the client tells the attorney of the location of a live body that may be in harm the attorney has to reveal the location if it means saving a life. but if the attorney knows the person to be decease then it's privileged

[st777jo]

I don't know if it is true or not, but I can say this, my hinkey meter went blasting into outer space from the get-go with this meter reader. As soon as the three prior calls came out to the public, I felt he was being dishonest and that his finding the remains was no accident. I didn't buy his story about relieving himself in the woods, either. I just wasn't buying it.

I will sit back now and let the rest of the story unfold. I know that little by little, inch by inch, the truth or the majority of it, will come out and those that had dirty hands in this coverup will be brought out into the light.

Thanks January, and yes, I agree. Sumpin not adding upppppp!

[need2no]

Could be another part of "The daisy chain" or the start of a "conga line".

JMO

LOL...I like "conga line" much better than "the daisy chain".

[kitty1182]

Nor have I.

I also find that odd considering George's statement just a couple of days ago:

Anthony said he can not drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BFEE0F7B4CA1CA91A1D53413519D182F ?contentId=8187300&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1


Yet they went to the funeral home and sat with 'her bones'?



They might have been there to make arrangements , maybe they didn't really sit with her remains..Heck, I don't know..lol

[*MoonRider*]

Sorry no snipping....but remember when he said this....Cindy was runnning to her car.....away from reporters....with a Casey-type smirk on her face. This could have been the day they found out...it fits.

IIRC that running video was determined to be old footage from when she was incarcerated the first time. They never did visit her in jail after Oct. 14th. IMO Here's a pic and I think it's from July before Cindy lost the weight. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/run.jpg

[destiny1]

snipping to address:

That was the most bizarre thing I ever heard. But, no one went to get her.

Wasn't that November 11th when that statement was made (according to Padilla?) That's why he needs to say November vs. December, etc. JMO.

LP is date jumping for a reason I do believe. I could be wrong, but I think they all are trying to somehow cleanse themselves of the dirt they have on them and at the same time try not to step in it again.

[CC I See]

To be honest, I don't think anyone can control Casey, sure Baez can instruct her, but Casey is going to do what Casey wants to do.

Well, honestly I think that Casey likes to be whatever the man she is with wants her to be...... so I do think that Baez can get her to do what he wants. I think that she would have already lied her way through more incriminating evidence and broken her silence if it had not been for his stern approach. They both have a secretive nature, that is why they are a perfect team.

[Dunlurken]

GRACE: OK. Leonard Padilla, when were you told this information?

PADILLA: The 16th , 17th .of December, about a week --

GRACE: I`m sorry. I couldn`t hear you? When?

PADILLA: About the 16th or 17th of December. I had been there for about a week after the body was discovered.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

I don't think that's what he said before, but thank you for the link. My head is spinning on this one. He said he learned about the remains on the 11th and saw the video, specifically stated it was one and a half minutes long.

So, did he or did he not see the video?

[SavannahStar]

Nor have I.

I also find that odd considering George's statement just a couple of days ago:

Anthony said he can not drive down Suburban Drive, where the remains were found, because he's not ready to see the makeshift memorial left for his granddaughter. He doesn't know if he'll ever be able to drive further down Suburban drive near the area where a meter reader found Caylee Marie's remains.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=BFEE0F7B4CA1CA91A1D53413519D182F ?contentId=8187300&version=6&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1


Yet they went to the funeral home and sat with 'her bones'?


Those were Mallory's words, not George's. I see a big difference, myself, in going to where a murdered body was found, and going to the funeral home. :confused:

[destiny1]

I may be wrong but IMO this is the law:

1. what the client tells the lawyer is confident.
2. but if the client tells the attorney something and the attorney goes to SEE the item disclosed. depending on the item it may not be privileged once the attorney SEE's the item/body. (what the attorney sees is not confident). ex. the attorney can not withhold documents either once it is in his/her possession if the document is breaking the law.
3. if the client tells the attorney of the location of a live body that may be in harm the attorney has to reveal the location if it means saving a life. but if the attorney knows the person to be decease then it's privileged

that is what I thought. Thank you, but it sure sounds unethical and morally challenged to me.

What do you make of the request for a special master?

[Neffy]

When I read Mallory's short post last night, I detected shock and sadness in it. Not disrespect......I got out of it that she felt it was just heartbreaking that the grandparents who loved Caylee so very much were sitting in a funeral home with just her bones.....because of what Casey had done to her.

That's what I got out of the post, nothing degrading on Mallory's part.

Of course I know Mallory is not in the clique of favored posters :sad:......that may have something to do with your take on it. It's all in what we as individuals read into posts I guess. Maybe Mallory could explain further if she chooses....or maybe she has. I've been offline for a while. I've not known her to be disrespectful when speaking of Caylee or her death or her remains.


CAYLEE'S BONES GOING TO SIT WITH CAYLEES BONES!

I beg to differ.. quite disrepectful when your talking of remains in a funeral home.

"Of course I know Mallory is not in the clique of favored posters :sad:......that may have something to do with your take on it."
I don't think so but thanks Dr. Phil.

I was responding to your post and your take explaining mine. No need for an explantion NOW that I know what she's referring to. It's how she refers to it I take issue with.

[Dunlurken]

very true....and who said anything about the child being in a bag?....who told him to check garbage bags in the first place?

BINGO! We have a winner. The bag was white, according to Kronk. Then the actual remains were found in a black/dark bag.

Let's just say I go to the woods to relieve myself, which I wouldn't do. LOL. I certainly don't look at trash bags. I consider them trash.

[no1what]

That is actually the first real possible idea I have heard in regard to how Kronk found the body, but then again casey has been in solitary almost the entire time. I can not see her admitting something this big to a jail employee themselves or even someone she met for maybe 30 minutes in the jail cells behind the court room for her appearances.


maybe someone inside the LE was secretly listening to the private attorney client meetings. do all of the rooms have a listening device that can be turned on and off?

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning Regina,
Do you off hand remember when it was that Baez asked the court to grant Casey a little local sight seeing tour with Baez (unsupervised IIRC and with no media allowed) to visit a few places of interest (where Casey left Caylee IMO)? Wasn't it right before she was arrested and charged with Murder1?
tia

I don't know the specific date, but it was right after she was out on bail the first time, iirc. Do an advance search and type in sight seeing or something like that and you might be able to bring forth our discussion about it, cuz we sure did give our views, and then you would have the approximate date.

[dgfred]

I don't know if it is true or not, but I can say this, my hinkey meter went blasting into outer space from the get-go with this meter reader. As soon as the three prior calls came out to the public, I felt he was being dishonest and that his finding the remains was no accident. I didn't buy his story about relieving himself in the woods, either. I just wasn't buying it.

I will sit back now and let the rest of the story unfold. I know that little by little, inch by inch, the truth or the majority of it, will come out and those that had dirty hands in this coverup will be brought out into the light.


My thoughts too January. Something about the whole deal reeks.

[MalloryCat]

When I read Mallory's short post last night, I detected shock and sadness in it. Not disrespect......I got out of it that she felt it was just heartbreaking that the grandparents who loved Caylee so very much were sitting in a funeral home with just her bones.....because of what Casey had done to her.

That's what I got out of the post, nothing degrading on Mallory's part.

Of course I know Mallory is not in the clique of favored posters :sad:......that may have something to do with your take on it. It's all in what we as individuals read into posts I guess.

Maybe Mallory could explain further if she chooses....or maybe she has. I've been offline for a while. I've not known her to be disrespectful when speaking of Caylee or her death or her remains.

Thanks, I was in shock they did that and we did not know anything about it. I am glad the media is starting to let them grieve in private, these people are shattered and deserve to grieve in peace

:rose:

[Nellie]

Good morning Regina,
Do you off hand remember when it was that Baez asked the court to grant Casey a little local sight seeing tour with Baez (unsupervised IIRC and with no media allowed) to visit a few places of interest (where Casey left Caylee IMO)? Wasn't it right before she was arrested and charged with Murder1?
tia


Oh, I remember that! And if the timing is "right", then this would make sense!
Maybe......
1. She told them where the body was.
2. They went into the woods to find Caylee and couldn't find her...videotaped to show she wasn't there.
3. Showed the videotape to Casey to show where they were and that there was no little Caylee.
4. She told them she could SHOW them if only she could leave the house.
5. Baez then asked for the special permission for her to leave to "search" a few places alone with him....no media following.

This makes perfect sense.....IF it was right after the filming of this woods by the PI. IF they couldn't find her and Casey kept insisting she was in those woods, they wanted her to show them!

[SavannahStar]

CAYLEE'S BONES GOING TO SIT WITH CAYLEES BONES!

I beg to differ.. quite disrepectful when your talking of remains in a funeral home.

*snipped*



Okay, you think Mallory was disrespectful. Got it loud and clear. Hope you don't mind me responding, though, since I felt differently.

[dgfred]

very true....and who said anything about the child being in a bag?....who told him to check garbage bags in the first place?

And just think about how many bags and such were back there anyway... with years and years of kids/teens going and hanging out back there.

[Peter]

Kronk's going in there 3 times... calling LE, didn't want to give his name because he was an employee of the county, makes no sense either. So, he waits until December, goes back. He knew she was there since August. Someone told him and I'm finding him less and less credible. JMO.

He even said... "I'm not saying it's little Caylee" on the second call, maybe the first. someone kept sending him back there.


The first time the MR went to look: Aug 11,12,13 or so, A few days before was Caylees Birthday and her story was plastered all over every news channel, including GA and CA with a cake and stuff waiting for Caylees return. I live in the area and went looking a few times also. Kronk was alone and lived right there in the thick of it. I think he had nothing better to do. I say coincidence.
The first time he described the bag it was white, why would he say that if he was involved somehow? there is a bunch of trash in the area where Caylee was found.

[destiny1]

If you look at the video, done by Gail St John...on her site. There is no way she could get back in there...it was swamped and the brush was too thick. It's pretty raunchy, language wise, but it's a good indication of how dense the area was.

In june it probably wasnt as dense because of seasonal changes. It varies a lot in early summer because of not temperature but amount of sunlight and the plants growth cycles. she could have.

Not to mention the fact that she was trying to hide the body.

[Dunlurken]

Also an alarm for me goes off when I remember Kronk saying something to the effect that the cops would not go back into those woods because there was a rattler back there or some snake issue. It begs to be asked, if the cops were not willing to go back there, why why why would anyone go back into that muck just to urinate.

LP also mentioned on Nancy before Christmas, that the meter reader had a friend who lived right on that street and questioned why he would have to go in the woods when he could easily have gone to his friends house. Regardless of the possible reasons why, I still question why he even attempt to expose himself in the vacinity of a school?????? Doesn't anyone think that is bizarre in itself????So, who is the friend who lived on the street? I realize guys relieve themselves anywhere..... but, just crazy stuff if you ask me. And why go back into a dense snake infested forest to relieve yourself? Just stand by the car for god's sakes.

[SavannahStar]

Thanks, I was in shock they did that and we did not know anything about it. I am glad the media is starting to let them grieve in private, these people are shattered and deserve to grieve in peace

:rose:

Yep. I could just "feel" the shock in your post last night. I didn't follow up, I was reading but not posting much at the time. I so agree.....we had not heard that before and it does show that they were able to do that without being in the glare of the spotlight. I'm happy for that.

Shows ya, once in a BLUE MOON we do hear something "new" on NG.

:lol:

[desmom]

Hi, Elle, if my memory serves, (I might be wrong don't blast me) it was during her house arrest. And this is why she had to ask permission. I remember because I thought, how bizarre, she is lazing around in this house cooking dinner and such day after day, and now she is asking permission to go on a daytrip without supervision and without the media or LE? I thought she was just going to attempt to jump in a car and flee SP style. At the time I did not put two and two together but now it all makes sense.

Yes she was on house arrest at the time. The motion hearing was in October http://www.wesh.com/news/17674613/detail.html a couple days before the GJ met.

jmo

[destiny1]

I don't think that's what he said before, but thank you for the link. My head is spinning on this one. He said he learned about the remains on the 11th and saw the video, specifically stated it was one and a half minutes long.

So, did he or did he not see the video?going to get her remark from a prior time.

[dgfred]

The first time the MR went to look: Aug 11,12,13 or so, A few days before was Caylees Birthday and her story was plastered all over every news channel, including GA and CA with a cake and stuff waiting for Caylees return. I live in the area and went looking a few times also. Kronk was alone and lived right there in the thick of it. I think he had nothing better to do. I say coincidence.
The first time he described the bag it was white, why would he say that if he was involved somehow? there is a bunch of trash in the area where Caylee was found.

Well he should have said he was just curious then, not going back to relieve himself... and not just checking three times either.

[Dunlurken]

I wouldn't relieve myself in the woods or look in that bag either but if my husband did, and I was there or not and he mentioned it. I would definitely tell him to go look in that bag!

Would he do it? LOL. Mine is a chicken and surely wouldn't if he thought a dead body was in the bag. He would say hell no, you go look.

JMO.

[SavannahStar]

BINGO! We have a winner. The bag was white, according to Kronk. Then the actual remains were found in a black/dark bag.

Let's just say I go to the woods to relieve myself, which I wouldn't do. LOL. I certainly don't look at trash bags. I consider them trash.


But didn't Kronk say in one of his interviews that he believed it was the SAME bag?

[SandyO]

To be honest, I don't think anyone can control Casey, sure Baez can instruct her, but Casey is going to do what Casey wants to do.

Do you remember back in the very beginning when Casey was already calling Mr. Baez "Jose", and Cindy made the remark that Casey was giving him advice? I think you're right, and I think that's the mindset. Casey and Cindy seem to feel superior for some reason, and I believe Casey is her own boss.

[destiny1]

Do you remember back in the very beginning when Casey was already calling Mr. Baez "Jose", and Cindy made the remark that Casey was giving him advice? I think you're right, and I think that's the mindset. Casey and Cindy seem to feel superior for some reason, and I believe Casey is her own boss.

Good. Then she will have the rest of her pathetic life to boss herself around.

[8BellesFan]

I don't think that's what he said before, but thank you for the link. My head is spinning on this one. He said he learned about the remains on the 11th and saw the video, specifically stated it was one and a half minutes long.

So, did he or did he not see the video?


LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Lee not giving up his fingerprints voluntarily is a red herring. His situation is there`s a daisy chain that extends from Casey all the way to the meter reader, Kronk. They`re trying to fill in the spaces as to who carried the message where the body was so that the meter reader could find it after the fourth try.

Lee probably is the major suspect in the daisy chain because he`s the one that had contact with Casey, and semi-coded messages were possibly passed from her to him. He, in turn, dealt with Hoover and the other private investigator, Dominic, eventually ending up with the information in Kronk`s lap.

CASAREZ: But Leonard, what are your facts to back that up right there, your theory?

PADILLA: Hoover showed me a video that he took of Dominic filming the area for about a minute-and-a-half exactly where the body was found. On the -- on the date, it says November 15.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html

[*MoonRider*]

Also an alarm for me goes off when I remember Kronk saying something to the effect that the cops would not go back into those woods because there was a rattler back there or some snake issue. It begs to be asked, if the cops were not willing to go back there, why why why would anyone go back into that muck just to urinate.

LP also mentioned on Nancy before Christmas, that the meter reader had a friend who lived right on that street and questioned why he would have to go in the woods when he could easily have gone to his friends house. Regardless of the possible reasons why, I still question why he even attempt to expose himself in the vacinity of a school?????? Doesn't anyone think that is bizarre in itself????

I don't think it's too close to the school. http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Google.jpg

[Dunlurken]

But didn't Kronk say in one of his interviews that he believed it was the SAME bag?

That's why I'm finding him less and less credible. I realize LE has said he is not implicated, but why call August 11, 12, 13..... was he relieveing himself every day there? Then wait until December to call again when a skull rolled out of the bag? Something stinks.

My first thoughts were that he saw the bag on August 11. Called 911 or whomever. Called on August 12 and they said a member of LE will be there soon or something. Then he said, on August 13th, okay, I'm here now, send a LE person, who saw the snake and ran. I'd like to know who the member of LE is that saw a snake and ran is. LOL.

[WillowInFlight]

Do you remember back in the very beginning when Casey was already calling Mr. Baez "Jose", and Cindy made the remark that Casey was giving him advice? I think you're right, and I think that's the mindset. Casey and Cindy seem to feel superior for some reason, and I believe Casey is her own boss.

Advice and brownies, that Casey, she is one heck of a girl.

[dgfred]

Do you remember back in the very beginning when Casey was already calling Mr. Baez "Jose", and Cindy made the remark that Casey was giving him advice? I think you're right, and I think that's the mindset. Casey and Cindy seem to feel superior for some reason, and I believe Casey is her own boss.

Her attitude seems to be that she thinks she can talk her way out of anything/any situation.

If you say something to her... she doesn't want to talk to you anymore,
or she has 2 or 3 lies/excuses for everything.

I've known people that tell nothing but lies, mostly to gauge your reaction. Others I have known are just habitual liers, and don't ever want to tell the truth about anything :cursing: .

[WillowInFlight]

I think he would.

Specially knowing there was a missing child from that area.

[8BellesFan]

Her attitude seems to be that she thinks she can talk her way out of anything/any situation.

If you say something to her... she doesn't want to talk to you anymore,
or she has 2 or 3 lies/excuses for everything.

I've known people that tell nothing but lies, mostly to gauge your reaction. Others I have known are just habitual liers, and don't ever want to tell the truth about anything :cursing: .


IMO, Casey thinks of herself as superior and fully capable of convincing someone that pigs fly.

[Dunlurken]

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Lee not giving up his fingerprints voluntarily is a red herring. His situation is there`s a daisy chain that extends from Casey all the way to the meter reader, Kronk. They`re trying to fill in the spaces as to who carried the message where the body was so that the meter reader could find it after the fourth try.

Lee probably is the major suspect in the daisy chain because he`s the one that had contact with Casey, and semi-coded messages were possibly passed from her to him. He, in turn, dealt with Hoover and the other private investigator, Dominic, eventually ending up with the information in Kronk`s lap.

CASAREZ: But Leonard, what are your facts to back that up right there, your theory?

PADILLA: Hoover showed me a video that he took of Dominic filming the area for about a minute-and-a-half exactly where the body was found. On the -- on the date, it says November 15.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Thank you, thank you, thank you. So I haven't lost my mind. November 15th. HUGE!

[Neffy]

IMO, Casey thinks of herself as superior and fully capable of convincing someone that pigs fly.

Even sadder it works on some.

[MalloryCat]

Yep. I could just "feel" the shock in your post last night. I didn't follow up, I was reading but not posting much at the time. I so agree.....we had not heard that before and it does show that they were able to do that without being in the glare of the spotlight. I'm happy for that.

Shows ya, once in a BLUE MOON we do hear something "new" on NG.

:lol:

Yeah, its heartbreaking to think of them sitting with what is left of her, I truly was shocked to hear some breaking news of that sort, how sad.

[SavannahStar]

That's why I'm finding him less and less credible. I realize LE has said he is not implicated, but why call August 11, 12, 13..... was he relieveing himself every day there? Then wait until December to call again when a skull rolled out of the bag? Something stinks.

My first thoughts were that he saw the bag on August 11. Called 911 or whomever. Called on August 12 and they said a member of LE will be there soon or something. Then he said, on August 13th, okay, I'm here now, send a LE person, who saw the snake and ran. I'd like to know who the member of LE is that saw a snake and ran is. LOL.

They're still investigating how LE handled those August tips, right?

:unsure:

[daHawg]

That's why I'm finding him less and less credible. I realize LE has said he is not implicated, but why call August 11, 12, 13..... was he relieveing himself every day there? Then wait until December to call again when a skull rolled out of the bag? Something stinks.

My first thoughts were that he saw the bag on August 11. Called 911 or whomever. Called on August 12 and they said a member of LE will be there soon or something. Then he said, on August 13th, okay, I'm here now, send a LE person, who saw the snake and ran. I'd like to know who the member of LE is that saw a snake and ran is. LOL.

LE didn't see the snake and run KRONK said I believe in his second call that he saw a dead snake and wasn't going to go any further to look.

[WillowInFlight]

And that makes the meter Reader, very suspicous.....IMO. He got marching orders from someone.

With all the players involved in this mess I am surprised that someone hasn't cracked by now. Just how long can one live a lie for?

[kitty1182]

Yeah, its heartbreaking to think of them sitting with what is left of her, I truly was shocked to hear some breaking news of that sort, how sad.


Very heartbreaking...

[SavannahStar]

LE didn't see the snake and run KRONK said I believe in his second call that he saw a dead snake and wasn't going to go any further to look.


I also thought it was LE that didn't want to go in because of the snake.

Anyone got links about this?

[Neffy]

With all the players involved in this mess I am surprised that someone hasn't cracked by now. Just how long can one live a lie for?

Lenny's always cracking :)

[8BellesFan]

With all the players involved in this mess I am surprised that someone hasn't cracked by now. Just how long can one live a lie for?

23 years? :mellow:

[destiny1]

Yeah, its heartbreaking to think of them sitting with what is left of her, I truly was shocked to hear some breaking news of that sort, how sad.


If and this is a big IF they ent to the funeral home, rest assured IF they sat with the remains in their presence, they did NOT see those remains. No ethical funeral director would allow that. We sit with remains when we go to wakes. We know that persons spirit is not there, but it is n activity of respect for what we personally knew of the person.

[Dunlurken]

And that makes the meter Reader, very suspicous.....IMO. He got marching orders from someone.The person who put Caylee there I would imagine.

Which goes to the theory of a cover-up in a twisted sort of way. If Baez knew where the body was (Casey told him, or Lee told him, hell George for that matter), then Baez is in deep doo-doo. I don't know whether an attorney can leave a body, especially a small child, left out there in the elements.

JMO.

[8BellesFan]

I thought the snake was dead???

[WillowInFlight]

Lenny's always cracking :)

LOL true.......

[desmom]

But didn't Kronk say in one of his interviews that he believed it was the SAME bag?


He said "bag in the same area".

From Kronk's statement transcript: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081219/roy-kronk-speaks-out-caylee-anthony-transcript.htm

As the Orange County Sherriff's office reported yesterday, back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the Sherriff's communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area.

[Elle]

respectfully snipped


Thank you Regina.

[SavannahStar]

If and this is a big IF they ent to the funeral home, rest assured IF they sat with the remains in their presence, they did NOT see those remains. No ethical funeral director would allow that. We sit with remains when we go to wakes. We know that persons spirit is not there, but it is n activity of respect for what we personally knew of the person.

I realized they did not see the remains. It's just the horrifying thought though.....of what of Caylee's physical body was there at the funeral home. Sad, no matter how you look at it. But I fully agree with you that Caylee's spirit was not there. It's soaring.

[*MoonRider*]

Thank you, thank you, thank you. So I haven't lost my mind. November 15th. HUGE!

Same day as the Meet & Greet pic here. http://helpfindcaylee.usualbeings.com/contact.html

[destiny1]

The person who put Caylee there I would imagine.

Which goes to the theory of a cover-up in a twisted sort of way. If Baez knew where the body was (Casey told him, or Lee told him, hell George for that matter), then Baez is in deep doo-doo. I don't know whether an attorney can leave a body, especially a small child, left out there in the elements.

JMO.
It is my understanding that it is not illegal if he knows the person is deceased. I asked and it was answered a few posts back.:smile:

It's very unethical, immoral and insensitive if you ask me, though.

[Dunlurken]

I also thought it was LE that didn't want to go in because of the snake.

Anyone got links about this?

Lenny said it. We haven't heard from LE on this subject yet. Sorry, I don't have a link. Was on Nancy Grace though.

[Neffy]

That's the pathetic part. If not for people who buy/bought into her lies she never would've been enabled as much as she has been. It's insane for people around her to validate her lies. She's beyond disgusting.

ITA. STOP..... YOUR LYING is all it would have taken.

I will never understand in a million years how Cindy bought that no questions asked after a month of Casey lying that Caylee was to busy to talk or see her with not an iota that something was wrong in her voice.

[shelbar53]

Also an alarm for me goes off when I remember Kronk saying something to the effect that the cops would not go back into those woods because there was a rattler back there or some snake issue. It begs to be asked, if the cops were not willing to go back there, why why why would anyone go back into that muck just to urinate.

LP also mentioned on Nancy before Christmas, that the meter reader had a friend who lived right on that street and questioned why he would have to go in the woods when he could easily have gone to his friends house. Regardless of the possible reasons why, I still question why he even attempt to expose himself in the vacinity of a school?????? Doesn't anyone think that is bizarre in itself????

Had this been a "normal murder" case, everyone would be giving cudos to the MM for being so persistent; however, since there are so many nefarious people and twist and turns and lies and double talk...its easy to throw kronk under the bus, what the heck....everyone else is guilty of something, why not him.

[Dunlurken]

It is my understanding that it is not illegal if he knows the person is deceased. I asked and it was answered a few posts back.:smile:

It's very unethical, immoral and insensitive if you ask me, though.

Maybe in a twisted sort of way, Baez did won't her remains found. Maybe he does have a soul and at the same time is trying to keep his client out of jail?

I think I would have to back off this case if I were a defense attorney. I prefer to sleep well at night. JMO.

[desmom]

So, who is the friend who lived on the street? I realize guys relieve themselves anywhere..... but, just crazy stuff if you ask me. And why go back into a dense snake infested forest to relieve yourself? Just stand by the car for god's sakes.

Friend? What friend?

IMO, he walked in to the brush because it is on a road near a school in a residential area.

[Barbara fl.]

I think the story of going to CA to investigate a tip was just to justify the LKL interview without more bad PR about their money making interviews.



Yes, I'm sure that was what that was about....

[MalloryCat]

That's exactly what I think happened. I'm under the impression it's illegal or at least unethical for a lawyer to represent someone who they know is guilty. He should step down but I've seen where lawyers don't. It comes out after the trial is over and that's just wrong since the defendant could have gotten off with the lawyer lying in court to defend them.


Ok, how did Dahmer ever get a Lawyer?
:rolleyes:

[destiny1]

A month prior to the body being found. Some people are in deep doo doo. I'm just saying.

that's why I think the defense requested a special master. Dirty hands dirty faces.

[SandyO]

Her attitude seems to be that she thinks she can talk her way out of anything/any situation.

If you say something to her... she doesn't want to talk to you anymore,
or she has 2 or 3 lies/excuses for everything.

I've known people that tell nothing but lies, mostly to gauge your reaction. Others I have known are just habitual liers, and don't ever want to tell the truth about anything :cursing: .

Casey's behavior is even more incredible than that. She can be caught in a lie, even admit she's lieing, and then continue on again with the same lie! It's amazing, and makes me seriously wonder about her mental state.

[Tokyo Rose]

Okay say for argument sake this wooded area is somewhere behind the school, within walking distance from the school. In any event, it is a popular hang out for the kids. This meter reader who has had this beat for a while, has to know that. Even if he doesn't, do you think that any man in his right mind is going to go into some woods that's in the vacinity of some school, and take the chance of exposing himself to urinate, and risk some kid seeing him, running home to her parents and say some creep is in the woods exposing himself and then being arrested as a sexual preditor. I don't think so....but that's just me.

Maybe that's exactly why he goes into the woods. With all this speculation going on why not speculate big?

[dgfred]

ITA. STOP..... YOUR LYING is all it would have taken.

I will never understand in a million years how Cindy bought that no questions asked after a month of Casey lying that Caylee was to busy to talk or see her with not an iota that something was wrong in her voice.


Yes, with her knowledge of the way Casey was... and knowing that she was a habitual liar... she almost HAD to know something was waaaay wrong. Not to mention the nanny lies.

[WillowInFlight]

Casey's behavior is even more incredible than that. She can be caught in a lie, even admit she's lieing, and then continue on again with the same lie! It's amazing, and makes me seriously wonder about her mental state.

You got that right, lies about her job, admits to lie, and then goes back to lie.

[Dunlurken]

Friend? What friend?

IMO, he walked in to the brush because it is on a road near a school in a residential area.

I do think Kronk said he had a friend who lives close by. Could be wrong though. hummmmmm. Where we did get that info from? JMO.

[Regina.Lampert]

It is my understanding that it is not illegal if he knows the person is deceased. I asked and it was answered a few posts back.:smile:

It's very unethical, immoral and insensitive if you ask me, though.

Sorry to disagree with you Spicy One, but I distinctly recall Nancy Grace and one of her unleashed lawyers talking about this and it is against the law if baez knew where that body was and failed to notifiy LE. I think Dunnie and Adelena are right. Stand to be corrected tho......

[Carol25]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

[Pooh]

Okay say for argument sake this wooded area is somewhere behind the school, within walking distance from the school. In any event, it is a popular hang out for the kids. This meter reader who has had this beat for a while, has to know that. Even if he doesn't, do you think that any man in his right mind is going to go into some woods that's in the vacinity of some school, and take the chance of exposing himself to urinate, and risk some kid seeing him, running home to her parents and say some creep is in the woods exposing himself and then being arrested as a sexual preditor. I don't think so....but that's just me.

OMG January - that's a great point! No one would risk THAT! LOL

[daHawg]

OK I did a little digging and found a transcript from NG on where Kronk is talking about the dead snake. Now notice he says WE found a dead 4 ft....WTH is WE?


KRONK: It`s just the elementary school there. I don`t know. I just read the meter at it yesterday. I don`t -- I didn`t really -- I just, you know, look for my meter number. I really don`t pay attention to that, the rest of it.

But if you go down there, there`s a swamp on the left-hand side and there`s a fence, about a six-foot-high fence there. On the other side of the road, there is another swamp right there, and then the area -- it`s all right in there. That`s also where we found a dead four-foot Eastern diamondback rattlesnake, and that`s why I didn`t go any further into the swamp.

http://www.edition.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/23/ng.01.html

[dgfred]

Casey's behavior is even more incredible than that. She can be caught in a lie, even admit she's lieing, and then continue on again with the same lie! It's amazing, and makes me seriously wonder about her mental state.


Yes, her LE interviews and the circle of lies she tells is truely amazing.

[*MoonRider*]

Casey's behavior is even more incredible than that. She can be caught in a lie, even admit she's lieing, and then continue on again with the same lie! It's amazing, and makes me seriously wonder about her mental state.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html

One of the few truths told by Casey:

When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know.

"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

[SavannahStar]

He said "bag in the same area".

From Kronk's statement transcript: http://www.ibtimes.com/articles/20081219/roy-kronk-speaks-out-caylee-anthony-transcript.htm

As the Orange County Sherriff's office reported yesterday, back in August of this year, I had previously reported to Crimeline and to the Sherriff's communications center that I had spotted something suspicious, a bag in the same area.

Thank you, desmom.

[MalloryCat]

Yes they do allow it. We originally had our daughter buried and you just do not make rational decisions at times like this, we didn't know the "new" section she was buried in would not allow a specially engraved upright headstone only a flat metal one. And because we intended on leaving this city, since it was not the original area we were from we had her remains exhumed and cremated so she could be buried in a plot between my husband & I. We did this almost 30 days after her burial and I asked to see her one more time, I couldnt help it. The Funeral home director/owner said he would allow it and that he would even take a hand impression for us with one of those cute plaster tins since we hadn't thought of it. he did it for us although I cant imagine how gut wrenching it must have been for him. But he agreed we would see her but told us he didn't think we should. We didn't, and now that I have some rational thought. Thank God I took his advice!

Oh wow. I am so sorry, my heart goes out to you...

This case is just so emotional.

[WillowInFlight]

I do think Kronk said he had a friend who lives close by. Could be wrong though. hummmmmm. Where we did get that info from? JMO.

Lenny of course.

[desmom]

That's why I'm finding him less and less credible. I realize LE has said he is not implicated, but why call August 11, 12, 13..... was he relieveing himself every day there? Then wait until December to call again when a skull rolled out of the bag? Something stinks.

My first thoughts were that he saw the bag on August 11. Called 911 or whomever. Called on August 12 and they said a member of LE will be there soon or something. Then he said, on August 13th, okay, I'm here now, send a LE person, who saw the snake and ran. I'd like to know who the member of LE is that saw a snake and ran is. LOL.

He called in the tip on August 11. It took some time for LE to arrive on the scene and by the time they arrived, Mr. Kronk had left.

He called back on August 12 and was advised to call the tip line and to contact them when he could meet them.

He called back on August 13, met with LE and the bag was determined to be trash.

Per LE reports http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

jmo

[Pooh]

Yes they do allow it. We originally had our daughter buried and you just do not make rational decisions at times like this, we didn't know the "new" section she was buried in would not allow a specially engraved upright headstone only a flat metal one. And because we intended on leaving this city, since it was not the original area we were from we had her remains exhumed and cremated so she could be buried in a plot between my husband & I. We did this almost 30 days after her burial and I asked to see her one more time, I couldnt help it. The Funeral home director/owner said he would allow it and that he would even take a hand impression for us with one of those cute plaster tins since we hadn't thought of it. He did it for us although I cant imagine how gut wrenching it must have been for him. But he agreed we could see her but told us he didn't think we should. We didn't, and now that I have some rational thought. Thank God I took his advice!
Oh my Bratlings - God bless you and your precious daughter. I can't even imagine the sorrow you have been through.

[Dunlurken]

And again....how can a white garbage bag, in the middle of the woods.....surrounded by other garbage like beer bottles....raise any suspicion....unless he knew the baby was in a bag.....checkmate Mr. Meter Reader!!!! ( Yelling at him....the meter reader..not you)
Let us not forget he said a tree had fallen over the bag or some such nonsense. Wasn't saying it was Caylee though.

Someone forced him to go back there multiple times. Who? I don't know.

I do remember Lenny saying he was trying to get $50,000 of the reward money for the meter reader.

[shelbar53]

Judge Reprimands Casey's Attorney In Court
http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

[5boxersmom]

Any press conferences today? Or a new doc dump?

TIA

[Barbara fl.]

Anyone notice this post besides me? I do recall LP saying on Nancy's show just before Christmas that the meter reader had been tipped off. A theory which I happen to agree with. Says here that he knows someone that works in the prison. Hmmmmmm.


Then that would have had to be way back on August 11th....because that is when the first call was made by the MR....

I truly believe that too much is being made of all this....I don't believe that the PI's have such a tape...(I will believe it when I see it).....I do not believe that ANYONE would have told LP anything at all....He is just not the type that you would trust with anything....LP makes a few guesses (as one poster put it) and then if they should amount to something, he says "I told you so".....(something like Sylvia Brown's predictions)....I think that LP is a man that probably always wanted to be a detective but being a bounty hunter was the closest he could get to it.....

I truly believe it happened just the way it happened....The meter reader happened upon it, followed up on it...and Caylee's body was found.....Casey is the one that dumped it there because she is the one who murdered her child.....No big conspiracy involved...just a heartless mother that wanted her freedom....and wanted to hurt her parents.....

Everything else is nothing more then a distraction.....just what the defense wanted.....

[destiny1]

Yes they do allow it. We originally had our daughter buried and you just do not make rational decisions at times like this, we didn't know the "new" section she was buried in would not allow a specially engraved upright headstone only a flat metal one. And because we intended on leaving this city, since it was not the original area we were from we had her remains exhumed and cremated so she could be buried in a plot between my husband & I. We did this almost 30 days after her burial and I asked to see her one more time, I couldnt help it. The Funeral home director/owner said he would allow it and that he would even take a hand impression for us with one of those cute plaster tins since we hadn't thought of it. He did it for us although I cant imagine how gut wrenching it must have been for him. But he agreed we could see her but told us he didn't think we should. We didn't, and now that I have some rational thought. Thank God I took his advice!
I am so glad for you that you didn't see. That funeral director was right. I can't imagine Cindy George or Lee wanting to see her remains.

[Tokyo Rose]

OMG January - that's a great point! No one would risk THAT! LOL

Unless he IS a sexual predator.

[Pooh]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

WOW!!! No kidding. Here Comes The Judge, Here Comes The Judge! LOL!

[Carol25]

I was wondering, if Zenaida wins this suit, can all mention of Zenaida not be allowed in the trial? That would be a bummer for Baez, now wouldn't it?

[no1what]

Okay say for argument sake this wooded area is somewhere behind the school, within walking distance from the school. In any event, it is a popular hang out for the kids. This meter reader who has had this beat for a while, has to know that. Even if he doesn't, do you think that any man in his right mind is going to go into some woods that's in the vacinity of some school, and take the chance of exposing himself to urinate, and risk some kid seeing him, running home to her parents and say some creep is in the woods exposing himself and then being arrested as a sexual preditor. I don't think so....but that's just me.

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I have said this same thing to people at work and we all agree that the area was too close to the school.

However in August no school so maybe MR thought it was ok.

I thought i remembered a show reporting that the MR had been transferred to a new location because he spent too much time looking for Caylee. Maybe I'm mistaken but that is how I remember the convo.

Also I have not found one piece of info that says the MR ever mentioned the color of the garbage bag. MR did not say white garbage bag but he spoke of something else being white and a broken branch.

[bballgrl]

I wonder when lenny will be added to the Defense witness list, he's got proof that Caylee was not at the recovery site ( the exact spot) on 11/15.

JMO
Actually I believe that it is believed that the tape was "inconclusive". Well, one PI said he could prove the body was NOT there and the other says, it is inconclusive. Opposing arguments... sounds crazy, but then... with this case, that's a given :rolleyes:

[Carol25]

WOW!!! No kidding. Here Comes The Judge, Here Comes The Judge! LOL!
I wonder if this is the new judge. I hope so.

[*MoonRider*]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

:beer: Baez the idiot strikes again.

[jammies]

And again....how can a white garbage bag, in the middle of the woods.....surrounded by other garbage like beer bottles....raise any suspicion....unless he knew the baby was in a bag.....checkmate Mr. Meter Reader!!!! ( Yelling at him....the meter reader..not you)


Because of KioMarie's statement. Behind my property are some woods where the teenagers hang out and drink beer. Now, if one of these kids were Casey, you can bet my life I would check out every square inch. Plus, all sorts of debris back there but no garbage bags.
As I said earlier, I wouldn't LOOK in any garbage bag but I would call the cops to check it out or get hubby. I know I couldn't sleep at night if I thought they hadn't thoroughly investigated.

I just don't find this guy suspicious. I KNOW I would do the same as he did. It would gnaw at my gut. I think Kronk actually went in and searched the last time and got lucky. Or unlucky. I don't believe anyone had to "tell" him that Caylee was back there.

[dgfred]

I wonder if anything would be different if Casey would have, at the first minute LE started to question her said: 'I am worried everyone suspects me so from this second on I refuse to say ANYTHING and I want a lawyer right now. I did not harm my child!' All the lies will surely
be a major factor in her being proven guilty.

[Barbara fl.]

Lenny of course.


Of course....who else could it have been? LP is the main man in this whole thing....He ought to be carefull though, Florida just might call him in on all his knowledge about this case..........

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

Thank you Carol. Also from your link:

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, the judge refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

The judge told Baez to stick to the law and said that the request for a hearing didn't follow proper protocol and that there was not enough notice given to make such a request.

LOL, once again baez is proving what an abysmal attorney he truly is, casey anthony is totally getting what she deserves, imo. :biggrin:

[need2no]

I do think Kronk said he had a friend who lives close by. Could be wrong though. hummmmmm. Where we did get that info from? JMO.

IIRC...from Lenny on NG.

[Dunlurken]

He called in the tip on August 11. It took some time for LE to arrive on the scene and by the time they arrived, Mr. Kronk had left.

He called back on August 12 and was advised to call the tip line and to contact them when he could meet them.

He called back on August 13, met with LE and the bag was determined to be trash.

Per LE reports http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

jmoWhich would lead one to conclude the body was placed there after August. But, then we have Tim Miller coming in saying that the bag appeared to have been left there for a long time because the leaves under the bag were brown, not green. Which would make it appear as though the body had been there for a long time. However, if the body was underwater, when did the scattering of the bones happen?

sorry for being graphic, but we had better get used to this sort of stuff, because it will come out in the trial. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder if anything would be different if Casey would have, at the first minute LE started to question her said: 'I am worried everyone suspects me so from this second on I refuse to say ANYTHING and I want a lawyer right now. I did not harm my child!' All the lies will surely
be a major factor in her being proven guilty.


That's IF she was smart....BUT if she was smart she wouldn't be in this predicament..

She is prone to tell her lies because she got over with them for so long, so no need for her to stop now.....JMO

[frances1]

Judge Reprimands Casey's Attorney In Court
http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

Thank you, shel.

[Barbara fl.]

Has anyone heard the outcome of todays hearing? I've been looking for it but can't find any station talking about it?

[101Spots]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

Where's the rolling Santa when you need him?

<envision standing ovation icon for the judge here>

[Dells]

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- A hearing is scheduled at 9:00am Tuesday to determine if a civil judge will delay Casey's deposition in a defamation lawsuit against her until after her criminal trial.

Casey Anthony's defense team wants to avoid having her testify in a civil trial that could be used against her in a criminal trial.
Attorney John Morgan is representing a woman named Zenaida Gonzalez who says Casey has ruined her name and her life after she claimed a woman by the same name had her daughter Caylee.
John Morgan would be allowed to question Casey about details of the case during the deposition and any answers she gives could potentially be used against Casey in her murder trial
However, Casey does have the constitutional right against self incrimination, which means she could plead the Fifth Amendment and not answer Morgan's questions. http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html


Morning!! Ohh how i wish she was made to testify!!!But I think it will be delayed:bored:
(jmo)

Oh, I so wish she could be made to testify as well. But, I agree w/you. It will be delayed...

[breezie]

Jumping in...

LOVE this part...

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, Orange County Circuit Judge Jose Rodriguez refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

Judge Rodriguez told Baez to stick to the law and said that the request for a hearing didn't follow proper protocol and that there was not enough notice given to make such a request.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html#-

Bozo the Attorney. And we have another Jose. Judge Jose Rodriquez.

[Tokyo Rose]

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I have said this same thing to people at work and we all agree that the area was too close to the school.

However in August no school so maybe MR thought it was ok.

I thought i remembered a show reporting that the MR had been transferred to a new location because he spent too much time looking for Caylee. Maybe I'm mistaken but that is how I remember the convo.

Also I have not found one piece of info that says the MR ever mentioned the color of the garbage bag. MR did not say white garbage bag but he spoke of something else being white and a broken branch.

Summer school?? Maybe he was transferred because he spent too much time in the woods period.

[jammies]

Where's the rolling Santa when you need him?

<envision standing ovation icon for the judge here>


Love this judge! whoo hoo!

[playnice]

WOW!!! No kidding. Here Comes The Judge, Here Comes The Judge! LOL!

Is this the judge that is replacing Judge Strickland and will be handling Caseys trial?

[Barbara fl.]

Allow me the opportunity to take this to the next level.......


When he called on the 11th, 12th, 13th, he said that there was a white bag that looked suspicous. Why in the he%& would a white garbage bag, in the middle of a lot of other garbage, look suspicous. Think back to the photos that OCSO posted. A lot of beer bottles, plastic sheeting, garbage, old tires.....what was it about this ONE bag, that looked suspicous???????

Then ...lets throw some more stuff into this story....he goes back....4 months later...and happens to find another bag.....he crawls through 20 feet of dense Florida jungle, without cutting himself up, or sinking in the muck that Florida is famous for.....to expose himself near a school to urinate......finds a black bag 80% buried in leaves and other garbage......decide to kick it...and a skull rolls out....

This guy has better luck finding a baby's body then I would finding a quarter in the seat cushions in my home!!!


You have to be kidding me!!!!....Are we the only two people not buying this?????????


I hope so...because I sure believe that MR over anyone else in this case....JMO

[desmom]

And again....how can a white garbage bag, in the middle of the woods.....surrounded by other garbage like beer bottles....raise any suspicion....unless he knew the baby was in a bag.....checkmate Mr. Meter Reader!!!! ( Yelling at him....the meter reader..not you)


IMO, he did not know what the baby was in. He was driving down the road and noticed something white in the brush a couple blocks from a missing baby's home. He called it in.

How wonder how many people in the Orlando area stopped and looked through trash bags that had been dumped in the last 6 months?

jmo

[Dells]

Hi Daddy-O!
Right. He said that he told the FBI right away, and suggested to Hoover 3 times that he should contact LE also.
Lenny said that he did not want a repeat of the Little Econ incident.

Exactly. I think LP has all his bases covered on this. Otherwise he wouldn't be going on all the news shows and talking about this.

[jammies]

I hope so...because I sure believe that MR over anyone else in this case....JMO


me too, barb.

[destiny1]

Judge Reprimands Casey's Attorney In Court
http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html

"During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, Orange County Circuit Judge Jose Rodriguez refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

Judge Rodriguez told Baez to stick to the law and said that the request for a hearing didn't follow proper protocol and that there was not enough notice given to make such a request"

I want her to have a fair and just trial, but I am loving this.

[desmom]

I do think Kronk said he had a friend who lives close by. Could be wrong though. hummmmmm. Where we did get that info from? JMO.

:shrug: That is why I asked.

Lenny?

[Pooh]

Where's the rolling Santa when you need him?

<envision standing ovation icon for the judge here>

LOL! Really. And "Mr. I Have No Further Questions" just standing there looking as stupid as he is. HA!

[Neffy]

That's exactly what I think happened. I'm under the impression it's illegal or at least unethical for a lawyer to represent someone who they know is guilty. He should step down but I've seen where lawyers don't. It comes out after the trial is over and that's just wrong since the defendant could have gotten off with the lawyer lying in court to defend them.


I can't remember the name but I recall a case where someone confessed to there attorney about a murder they commited. Another man was in jail for this crime. In a nutshell this lawyer did not offer this information as he was bound to his client not to tell what he knew since the person was deceased. Upon the "murderers" death it was released and the man in jail was finally released. I mean he was in there for years!

Does anyone recall this. Baez IMO is in the same boat and he put himself there.

IF IIRC correctly unless an attorney knows of imminent danger someone will be in by information he knows he is NOT bound to report it.

[kitty1182]

I wonder if this is the new judge. I hope so.



Me too!!!! :thumbsup:

[Pooh]

Is this the judge that is replacing Judge Strickland and will be handling Caseys trial?

No, the new Judge's name is Judge Adams Sr. I forget his first name though. It was posted yesterday by another person - maybe Cury?

[WillowInFlight]

LOL! Really. And "Mr. I Have No Further Questions" just standing there looking as stupid as he is. HA!

I wonder if he was smirking?

[no1what]

I believe Lee knew where Caylee's remains were; I might go as far as to say he helped Casey put them there.

If any of these folks knew where Caylee's remains were they were hindering an investigation in the worst possible way: By allowing evidence to decompose for as long as possible. Disgusting.

If Lee knew where Caylee's remains were, don't you think he would have been compelled to tell George and/or Cindy? I remember reading somewhere that when someone knows something highly confidential, they always tell one person.

Maybe Lee is the one the broke the tree branch over the body. To either mark the location or to hide the body.

Maybe Lee left a print on the tree.???????

[kitty1182]

No, the new Judge's name is Judge Adams Sr. I forget his first name though. It was posted yesterday by another person - maybe Cury?

He probally won't take any crap either....:tongue:

[CANDYKISSES]

"During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, Orange County Circuit Judge Jose Rodriguez refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

Judge Rodriguez told Baez to stick to the law and said that the request for a hearing didn't follow proper protocol and that there was not enough notice given to make such a request"

I want her to have a fair and just trial, but I am loving this.

You're not alone on that one! :thumbup:

[desmom]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18419522/detail.html
The judge refused to listen to Baez's motion to delay the civil suit of Zenaida Gonzalez until after the criminal trial and scolded Baez for personal attacks against Gonzalez's attorney, John Morgan, calling it a new low in attorney behavior.

The deposition is scheduled for Jan. 12 and the judge will rule before then on whether the deposition will be held

Baez was taking the profession to a new low. :lol:

Thanks for the update!

[Dunlurken]

Thank you, shel.
I agree. Thanks for the link. Baez is treading on thin ice. He is also making a mockery out of our judicial system. Dude is way out of his league. JMO.

[witchywoman]

:beer: Baez the idiot strikes again.

Reading about it, its time to put Baez in dunce hat, stick him the corner, lol. jmo tho, eh?

safe link via tinypic

http://i41.tinypic.com/1omzaw.jpg

[Tokyo Rose]

I don't think the MR knew what was in the bag, I think he just had a fascination with that area and went back there when he was in the area.
I wonder when LE found out that he had called 3 times back in August, it was almost a week after the find that they released the information to the public.

JMO

Fascination with that area is one way of putting it.

[jammies]

I think the type of litter in that section of the woods would be things like beer bottles, candy wrappers, chip bags, condoms, coke cans--small stuff from teens hanging out there.

A garbage bag, however, might attract attention. imo



yep. I've got all the above EXCEPT garbage bags in the woods behind me. Gotta watch where you walk for all the broken glass. If I saw a garbage bag that looked like something was in it AND a missing child AND a report that it was the mom's hangout....... um, yeah!! DING DING DING!

[SavannahStar]

I was wondering, if Zenaida wins this suit, can all mention of Zenaida not be allowed in the trial? That would be a bummer for Baez, now wouldn't it?

I can't imagine her winning that suit.

[*MoonRider*]

Thank you Carol. Also from your link:

During Tuesday morning's brief meeting, the judge refused to hear the request and scolded Jose Baez's team for personal attacks against Morgan and Morgan, the law firm representing Gonzalez, and said Baez was taking the profession to a new low.

The judge told Baez to stick to the law and said that the request for a hearing didn't follow proper protocol and that there was not enough notice given to make such a request.

LOL, once again baez is proving what an abysmal attorney he truly is, casey anthony is totally getting what she deserves, imo. :biggrin:

I'm giddy. :lol: Casey Anthony Files Counter Suit Against Alleged Nanny
Lawyers Claim Zenaida Gonzalez Sought To Profit From High-Profile Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/17984669/detail.html

Why did Baez file the counter suit then ask for delay :thumbsup:

Me thinks Casey will be deposed.

[Carol25]

My understanding is that it is not a matter of being against the law as much as being disbarred. A lawyer is not allowed to KNOWINGLY perpetrate a lie as it relates to a crime. I think this is where Baez is now freaking out because IF the police get hold of the Private Investigator and it comes out that he found out about the body being where it was through Baez or someone in Baez' office, Baez WILL-- not even could- WILL --be disbarred. And thus the scramble for a "special master" to be in the room when the police interrogate the P.I. - purpose- to shut him up.
I've wondered about this connection of Joy Wray. Is she married to one of the PI's and she says she was working with TES? It just seems there's too many convenient connections for this woman to say she was on a search there taking pictures (which I don't think was allowed). Then she could say I can prove Caylee wasn't there...yada...yada... yada.... I have this video.... So someone must have put her there later.

But alas there was a MR who saw something there in August but nobody knew....

[Pooh]

I wonder if he was smirking?

Probably - like he did when Judge Strickland let him have it. Baez needs to write Cracker Jacks and demand his money back for the worthless law degree he found in his box. LOL!

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder if he was smirking?

Oh please Willow. Refer to the old saying about the bear and the woods. But I'll bet he's not smirking now. :tonguewag:

He's a real piece of work and I hope he and Casey are the undoing of his career IF HE KNEW where Caylee laid decaying. JMOOC.

[Barbara fl.]

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I have said this same thing to people at work and we all agree that the area was too close to the school.

However in August no school so maybe MR thought it was ok.

I thought i remembered a show reporting that the MR had been transferred to a new location because he spent too much time looking for Caylee. Maybe I'm mistaken but that is how I remember the convo.

Also I have not found one piece of info that says the MR ever mentioned the color of the garbage bag. MR did not say white garbage bag but he spoke of something else being white and a broken branch.


You are right...I too never heard the tape stating the color of the bag....The fact is that he DID find the body and had NO ties to Casey what so ever...So if we wanted to believe that there is this big conspiracy then Casey must have alot of pull in this community that would help her to cover up her murdering her daughter......just doesn't fly with me......Casey didn't trust anyone (no liars do)....she did this ALL by herself...and the rest just played out normally.....

IF Casey had been behind this at all she certainly wouldn't want the body to be found seeing as the defense's defense was going to be that Caylee was still alive......

I said it from the beginning...LP is a liar and I wouldn't trust a single word he has to say....

[Dunlurken]

Civil trial judge. I think, am pretty sure.

That's what I was thinking. Two different courts. One Civil, one Murder. JMO. (Can't think of what's called right now.)

[Neffy]

Baez was taking the profession to a new low. :lol:

Thanks for the update!

I second that! :thumbsup::w00t:

[Carol25]

Civil trial judge. I think, am pretty sure.
Yeah, you're probably right. Too bad.

[MalloryCat]

My understanding is that it is not a matter of being against the law as much as being disbarred. A lawyer is not allowed to KNOWINGLY perpetrate a lie as it relates to a crime. I think this is where Baez is now freaking out because IF the police get hold of the Private Investigator and it comes out that he found out about the body being where it was through Baez or someone in Baez' office, Baez WILL-- not even could- WILL --be disbarred. And thus the scramble for a "special master" to be in the room when the police interrogate the P.I. - purpose- to shut him up.

Sigh.

Some lawyers won't represent you if you tell them you're guilty, others will. The nature of the crime is also important, although a lawyer might not have a problem representing you after you told him you were guilty of some white collar crime, murder might be another story.

You may want to look up Attorney-client privilege.

[CANDYKISSES]

I'm giddy. :lol: Casey Anthony Files Counter Suit Against Alleged Nanny
Lawyers Claim Zenaida Gonzalez Sought To Profit From High-Profile Case
http://www.wesh.com/news/17984669/detail.html

Why did Baez file the counter suit then ask for delay :thumbsup:

Me thinks Casey will be deposed.

He's going to be needing some extra support from Geraldo this weekend. I feel it coming. :tongue:

[jammies]

I have the same recollection of him talking about something white and something hanging from a branch. It is my thoughts that he was told by someone involved in the case where this was and that LE dropped the ball on this one which was a good thing, in this case, because of that mistake of LE not following up efficiently enough, we now have an expose of liars and a "conga line" as others have said, dancing all the way back to Casey Anthony.


OFGS, read Kiomarie's interview with LE. That's all this guy had to know. Instead of brushing it aside he actually LOOKED where she said they hung out. That, plus all Casey's "code talk" to Lee doesn't take a brainiac to figure out she was TELLING them right where to look.

sorry, not yelling at you...........just at this whole line of thought that the guy had to be tipped off. Well, he WAS by KM and Casey.

[destiny1]

Allow me the opportunity to take this to the next level.......


When he called on the 11th, 12th, 13th, he said that there was a white bag that looked suspicous. Why in the he%& would a white garbage bag, in the middle of a lot of other garbage, look suspicous. Think back to the photos that OCSO posted. A lot of beer bottles, plastic sheeting, garbage, old tires.....what was it about this ONE bag, that looked suspicous???????

Then ...lets throw some more stuff into this story....he goes back....4 months later...and happens to find another bag.....he crawls through 20 feet of dense Florida jungle, without cutting himself up, or sinking in the muck that Florida is famous for.....to expose himself near a school to urinate......finds a black bag 80% buried in leaves and other garbage......decide to kick it...and a skull rolls out....

This guy has better luck finding a baby's body then I would finding a quarter in the seat cushions in my home!!!


You have to be kidding me!!!!....Are we the only two people not buying this?????????

Do you think that maybe he saw some scattered toys in that vicinity? we need to know what made him believe this was suspicious.

[Dunlurken]

Well I guess I am alone in this opinion......thats cool though.....And I do respect everyones opinions here. Most of them are very well thought out. I still have an issue with this MR though.

I guess we will see!!!

I'm with you. You are not alone. The meter reader is involved somehow.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh please Willow. Refer to the old saying about the bear and the woods. But I'll bet he's not smirking now. :tonguewag:

He's a real piece of work and I hope he and Casey are the undoing of his career IF HE KNEW where Caylee laid decaying. JMOOC.

LOL, I couldn't help myself. This has really made my day.

[Lavenia]

:beer: Baez the idiot strikes again.

Up for a Darwin Award, that one is.:thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

My understanding is that it is not a matter of being against the law as much as being disbarred. A lawyer is not allowed to KNOWINGLY perpetrate a lie as it relates to a crime. I think this is where Baez is now freaking out because IF the police get hold of the Private Investigator and it comes out that he found out about the body being where it was through Baez or someone in Baez' office, Baez WILL-- not even could- WILL --be disbarred. And thus the scramble for a "special master" to be in the room when the police interrogate the P.I. - purpose- to shut him up.

I dunno. I've been googling like crazy and have come up with this:

On the other hand, an attorney is not required to disclose the existence or location of evidence that he never took custody of, as long as the attorney does not move that evidence or make it more difficult for the police to find. The famous dead body case of People v. Belge, held that attorneys who knew but failed to disclose where victims were buried committed no crime. A subsequent ethics opinion indicates that the lawyers in Belge violated no ethical rules either.

http://tarlton.law.utexas.edu/lpop/etext/lsf/asimow24.htm

Look up "People v. Belge."

[Pooh]

That's what I was thinking. Two different courts. One Civil, one Murder. JMO. (Can't think of what's called right now.)

Criminal ?

[daHawg]

He & the law enforcement officer(s) or his co-worker maybe is the "we.." part. Didn't they say he called his boss/supervisor too? Maybe he was there with him. The news was vague on the whole story.

The call where he says WE is from the second call that he made at 9 at night on the 12th and he hadn't been there yet with LE until the next day. Listen closely and you hear him say "WE" just finished then he corrects himself to say I right at the start of the audio and then when he is describing where he says WE again re: the dead snake. He doesn't say anything about being there with a supervisor.
Aug 12th call
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedfiles/audio/Meter_Reader_Aug%2012_Call.wav