Mon, Jan 5, 2009, Part 3, evening-late night

[bluwaters]

Candles for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

[BrownEyedF]

So, does anyone really think Casey is going to be allowed to watch the funeral??

Do you think the public memorial service will be televised??



I can't stand Casey but I don't have a problem with her watching a video or tape of the memorial service. I am really glad that they are not going to let her attend. Someone in the last thread mentioned taping her reactions to the memorial. I think if she does get to see it she will be in the company of her attorneys and it will be a private visit. Sideshow Baez will then give us some version of her emotional reaction and need for sedation after the viewing of the memorial service. It will be like deja vu all over again......Maybe this time he can bring her some of Cindy's drugs and let the taxpayers off the hook.

[Motomom]

So, does anyone really think Casey is going to be allowed to watch the funeral??

Do you think the public memorial service will be televised??

Brooke Bennet's was.. I think it's possible and if it is I think Casey will watch it.

[shelbar53]

mshudson im bringing my response to you from the other thread about kathy and the emails.

yep, and I bet those emails had some damning information in them. Did you notice if kathy is reporting differently now? I was wondering that because, as a reporter she has to remain unbiased but if she has proof that something sinister happened but cant reveal it, will it affect her reporting on some unconsicence level?

[Neffy]

Brooke Bennet's was.. I think it's possible and if it is I think Casey will watch it.

I also think it's possible. And agree Casey WILL watch.

She can't stand being behind bars "not knowing nothing".

[Motomom]

You can cremate bones. A good friend of mine collects old antique motician tools...weird I know.

Anyway, he has what is called a "bone crusher' they still use them, but they are more updated than the one my buddy has. I guess after the body has been creamted at an ungodly high temp, the larger bone parts that are left are crushed into powder & teeny tiny pieces.
If you have ever looked at human ashes, you can see that there are large pieces of bone (they look like marrow) and they are about teh size of like a pencil eraser.

i spilled some ashes once...very tramitic experience.


I have my dads ashes in necklaces and one of them isn't sealed properly.. dads all over the place now. It isn't like ashes, like some people think. it's grainy and bones that aren't cremated are crushed up so they get as much of the loved one as possible.. I haven't seen any pieces that big but we never opened up the brown box and looked in there to see the majority of it either.. do we know if they are cremating her?

[Neffy]

I can't stand Casey but I don't have a problem with her watching a video or tape of the memorial service. I am really glad that they are not going to let her attend. Someone in the last thread mentioned taping her reactions to the memorial. I think if she does get to see it she will be in the company of her attorneys and it will be a private visit. Sideshow Baez will then give us some version of her emotional reaction and need for sedation after the viewing of the memorial service. It will be like deja vu all over again......Maybe this time he can bring her some of Cindy's drugs and let the taxpayers off the hook.

I have no doubt she will be watched along with her reactions by jail personel. I believe she knows that too!

[gaelicpeas]

I have my dads ashes in necklaces and one of them isn't sealed properly.. dads all over the place now. It isn't like ashes, like some people think. it's grainy and bones that aren't cremated are crushed up so they get as much of the loved one as possible.. I haven't seen any pieces that big but we never opened up the brown box and looked in there to see the majority of it either.. do we know if they are cremating her?

No idea.. but my mother's remains were fully "crushed" or whatever.. they were completely ashes.. no big "chunks" were left as we poured them into her grave.

[Motomom]

I brought this over ............................Exactly what Various U.S. Constitution rights protect Casey's right to see this, just like all of the rest of us can.

Sooooooo are you saying ALL of us can go to the SC and ask them if we can watch the funeral since it's our constitutional right?

You must have missed this part of katprints post.. here ya go..

nothing could stop Mr. Baez from downloading it onto his laptop then replaying it for Casey. He can show Casey pretty much anything in the world that is not otherwise outlawed (i.e. no child porn, no pit bull fights, no communications furthering international terrorist plots, etc.)

[BrownEyedF]

Did the jailers actually give her a seditive when she asked for it the last time
I think not. She is in jail because she is guilty of murdering the very person she was supposedly grieving. I'm fairly sure they saw through that and said "Ha! No way!"

To cops you are guilty until found innocent, or their wouldn't be arrests.


I am actually unclear as to whether or not they gave her a sedative. I do remember clearly that one was requested and that came straight from someone giving an interview from the jail, one of their administrators. I think a sedative can be given in jail if a doctor deems it necessary. I would prefer that she not be given anything but that is just me.

[gaelicpeas]

Mr Mosey wants to be cremated and put in the backyard sandbox so he can continue playing with his boys.
"Boys, brush off Daddy and come in for lunch!"
aww.. that is sweet.

I am not sure where people are coming from that are doubting Katprint's postings. As far as I am concerned, she knows what she is talking about with regards to this case.

[gaelicpeas]

Sooooooooo is Jose going to the funeral?

and can the rest of us go to the SC so we can watch it?:mellow:

What is SC?

[Motomom]

Mr Mosey wants to be cremated and put in the backyard sandbox so he can continue playing with his boys.
"Boys, brush off Daddy and come in for lunch!"

Hopefully when Mr. mosey passes, his boys won't be playing in sandboxes anymore.. but that's a good one. when dad started sprinkling out we were :scared: but I put him in a baggie and in a little box for my son.

I find alot of comfort having his ashes here with us, and we can wear him out, we take him to the casino..just comforting for us. He's been missing too but.. i'm way o/t so my apologies. i'm thinking the plans for Caylees funeral will be made this week. Once that second exam is "wrapped" up. They must be preparing alot of security too I would think if they are goign to make it public.

[gaelicpeas]

Is that what you would do if your grandchild was murdered?

No.. that is what most think Cindy would most likely do. JMO

[BrownEyedF]

I think that regardless whether or not the funeral is televised, Cindy and George will have it videotaped - hopefully not by the same bozos who videotaped the vacant lot where Caylee's remains were later found - and will give a copy of the video to Baez to show to Casey during a private Attorney-Client meeting. That way, Baez will be the only person who can describe Casey's reaction to the funeral.

I would not be surprised if Cindy and George offer DVDs of the funeral for sell on their various websites, and maybe even from little sidewalk tables at the mall.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Katprint,

I really enjoy your posts. Very informative. I completely got what you tried to explain earlier about constitutional rights that are spelled out and ones that are covered obliquely. Thank you for taking your time out to post!


I completely agree with you that she will watch it privately with JB, and then he will give a little impromptu Q&A with the reporters about how distaught she became.

[shelbar53]

I have no doubt she will be watched along with her reactions by jail personel. I believe she knows that too!

what is wrong with those jailers, why arent they blabbling about how casey is doing in jail, does she sleep all the time?, chatting with everyone?, cry?, nasty?. hey we want to know but those darn jailers take their job very serious and dont spill the beans.

[Motomom]

Sooooooooo is Jose going to the funeral?

and can the rest of us go to the SC so we can watch it?:mellow:

You aren't following along.. it's ok cause it's late. really. If it is broadcasted, like Brooke Bennets funeral.. all I'll have to do is go downstairs to my living room to watch it. If they are taping it, there will be a stream somewhere, just like Brookes.. Who knows if they will even do it or not..but if they do.. just like I watched all of the LE funerals that took place in philly this past yr.

[shelbar53]

Sooooooooo is Jose going to the funeral?

and can the rest of us go to the SC so we can watch it?:mellow:

Did high profile attorney baez ever offer his condolances when the body was found?

[gaelicpeas]

that post was NOT snipped http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12619104#post12619104

and please don't speak for MOST of the posters on here and say we LOVE her post..... :bored:
I can speak for myself and say I love Katprint's posts and I am glad we have a lawyer's point of view on these boards.

[Motomom]

I heard the funeral will be private, but there will be a public memorial

That would probably be best.. But i think people of different areas call it something different. We have viewings and if someone is not having a viewing because they are getting cremated, they have a memorial..but we all call it a funeral.. so i don't understand what the big deal is (not with you mosey). If it's a word issue or if it's the fact that someone thinks that it wouldnt' be televised when some of us watched Brooke Bennets.. We don't even know what the Anthony's will do, they flip flop so much who knows.

[Newclothes]

I am actually unclear as to whether or not they gave her a sedative. I do remember clearly that one was requested and that came straight from someone giving an interview from the jail, one of their administrators. I think a sedative can be given in jail if a doctor deems it necessary. I would prefer that she not be given anything but that is just me.

I could be confused on this but I thought that it would be a HIPPA violation to tell someones medical business to others. I know that the Dr. offices here in OKlahoma you can't even sign in anymore for fear the next person signing in might see you were there. Everything is so private now...which it should be....Maybe I am wrong...

[Adalena935]

Somehow reading this made me think of "truth serum". Is there really such a thing or have I been reading too many sci-fi novels?

There is such a thing altho that's the street name for whatever it's technical name is. Sodium Penathol. Dentists used to use it. No idea whether they still do or not. I've heard it said it's not very reliable and wouldn't be admitted into court. Plus there's always a certain amount of danger with drugs.

That's what my husband blurted out; they should just stick a needle in her arm and let her blabber. I think people often ramble about nothing tho, so they say it's not what the name implies. They being the talking heads on tv and/or scientific authors on the net. dr's and such. You could google it. I don't know if it's ever been used in a crime case. I doubt it.

[Adalena935]

Earlier I was talking about tedium of reading each post thru a thread. I barely saw the bold head's up for this new thread and it's already 2 pages. I'm off to tvland and a prone position for the nite.

[Narcissist71]

No way! Also I would not lie to the police to derail their investigation and prosecution of the murderer, nor try to implicate innocent people in the murder, nor put money in the commissary account of the murderer, nor trademark my murdered grandchild's name, nor do many of the things the Anthony family has done.

But just because I would not behave that way does not mean the Anthonys would not. I have not yet seen the level to which they will not stoop.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Would you trademark your grandchild's name to protect it from someone else unrelated to you from doing it first?

We live in a weird world today......I'm not sure that would be top of my list, but if someone came to me and said someone unrelated to me could do that.......darn right I would make sure I did it before one of those clowns like LP did it.

[BrownEyedF]

I could be confused on this but I thought that it would be a HIPPA violation to tell someones medical business to others. I know that the Dr. offices here in OKlahoma you can't even sign in anymore for fear the next person signing in might see you were there. Everything is so private now...which it should be....Maybe I am wrong...

I hadn't thought of that. You are probably right. But I distinctly remember the jail administrator saying that one was requested.

[Adalena935]

That would probably be best.. But i think people of different areas call it something different. We have viewings and if someone is not having a viewing because they are getting cremated, they have a memorial..but we all call it a funeral.. so i don't understand what the big deal is (not with you mosey). If it's a word issue or if it's the fact that someone thinks that it wouldnt' be televised when some of us watched Brooke Bennets.. We don't even know what the Anthony's will do, they flip flop so much who knows.

I've always thought funeral meant services with the remains or cremains present. And a memorial is anytime without remains or cremains. So, I looked it up and the dictionary is the same as my understanding. funeral = with the body (whether cremated or embalmed) memorial = without the body (whether cremated or embalmed)

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/memorial

commemorative: memorial services.

http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/funeral

the ceremonies for a dead person prior to burial or cremation

[Narcissist71]

You are exactly right Narcissist. And you can bet that someone would have tried to use her name for a profit, if her grandparents didnt have the foresight to make sure that didn't happen.

Yes, I would trademark, copyright, and any other darn thing I could to protect her.

[Motomom]

I have been to my share of both and have noticed a difference
Funerals involve the actuall interment or burial after the ceremony. A memorial is just a large gathering and involves personal recollections of the deceased.

memorials I have went to had the cremains as well. Never went to one without. Did go to closed caskets and open and yes, the funeral is the burial..but we just use that word interchangablely I guess you'd say.. And also was at a memorial with the cremains and then the burial the next day for the cremains. It's interesting though, how different areas handle it differently. i was just reading that open casket wasn't something done all over anymore. guess just different traditions.

ETA.. let me add after seeing how kind it was for someone to look up the actual terminology.. growing up we kind of had our own lingo.. for some things kwim? So it wasn't broken down, as in viewing/wake funeral/burial.. it was always a funeral. It wasn't until yrs later.. ok not that long ago that i realized the actual difference LOL.

[Adalena935]

What am I reading of the baby's name being trademarked? Is that true that this was done?

[gaelicpeas]

Ok... we were having such a good discussion before... what were we discussing?

Oh yes, now I remember. We were discussing the wisdom of older women, as in Shirley, Caylee's great-grandmother... and how she wanted to press charges against Casey for stealing from Alex's assisted-living fund, but Cindy said NO!

I am sorry, but stealing from your grandfather's assisted living fund is even worse than stealing from your daughter's piggy bank (which Casey was also apparently doing). This has got to be the lowest of the low, IMO!

[Newclothes]

Yes, I would trademark, copyright, and any other darn thing I could to protect her.

ahhhhhhhh...I see they wanted to protect her name but her little life didn't mean as much. I wish they would of been that diligent in protecting her life....amazing...just amazing....

[rj1212]

Is that what you would do if your grandchild was murdered?

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not blame the smell of decomposition on "pizza" that never was in the trunk.

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not announce on national tv that the "kidnappers were being watched", even though I said previously that revealing too much info would put my grandchild risk...gmab...

If, under the same circumstances, I find out that my daughter has been clubbing when she was saying that she was looking for Caylee, and the pics are displayed for all the world, I wouldn't try to make comments on a tv show denying the validity of the pics by suggesting that these are pics of my daughter when was pregnant YEARS ago instead of dealing with the REAL issue.

If, under the same circumstances, if I had the opportunity to beg for the safe return of my grandchild on National TV...I would NOT decide to ignore that opportunity and instead focus on how tired I AM, and how badly the media is going to treat me...etc...FGS...I would've just smelled human decomposition the day before...if I believed my grandchild was alive then I'd be focusing on HER, not how d*** tired I was...

So...no...it may not be what I would do if my grandchild was murdered/missing, but what about the Anthony's?

Anything's possible.

[bluwaters]

I hope that no one, especially Katprint, minds that I am bringing the post over here. It is very good reading. It is a shame that some thought it their place to distort and then ridicule it.
I understand that you are not a lawyer, so I will try to explain complicated legal principles in simple terms.

The U.S. Supreme Court "interprets" the U.S. Constitution. The Supreme Court often finds that rights that do not appear on its face (for example, the right to an abortion) may be hidden within and that rights that appear to have been explicitly spelled out (for example, the right to bear arms) do not necessarily exist.

The First Amendment prohibitions against "abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press" have been broadly held not only to protect the media but also to protect a citizen's right to perceive (i.e. read, view, observe, listen to) anything that is not unlawful. A prisoner like Casey, who has not yet been convicted of a crime and is not yet subject to "punishment," cannot be prevented from seeing, hearing, reading, etc. any material that is not unlawful or contraband such as the child porn, communications in furtherance of criminal conspiracy, plans for making her escape, etc.

The U.S. Supreme Court case of In Turner v. Safley (1987) http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/turnervsafley.html extensively discusses the general standard for rules that restrict inmates’ constitutional rights. “When a prison regulation impinges on inmates’ constitutional rights,” the Turner opinion read, “the regulation is valid if it is reasonably related to legitimate penological interests” (primarily, preventing escape attempts and jailhouse crime.) The jail has no rules prohibiting its prisoners from viewing funerals and just like constitutional guarantees of due process and equal protection prohibit the jail from making a special "Casey" rule allowing Casey out of jail to attend the funeral, they can't make a special "Casey" rule prohibiting her from watching a video recording of the funeral.

Additionally, Jose Baez is permitted to bring his laptop with him during his jailhouse visits to visit Casey, and he has similar First Amendment rights to possess non-contraband videos which he has a Sixth Amendment right to show to Casey. In other words, the jail can neither prevent Jose Baez from downloading a video of the funeral nor prevent him from sharing it with Casey when he comes to visit her in jail. For that matter, they could probably watch "Who's Nailin' Palin?" together if that was how they wanted to spent their attorney-client visit.

I did not say that Casey had a right to attend the funeral in person. To the contrary, I said that she did not have a right to attend the funeral in person or to watch it on TV live. As far as I can tell, every time you quote me, you edit the quote in a manner that changes its meaning. Please stop doing this in the future. Additionally, the little insults you tack onto the end of all of your posts - that the post with which you disagree is "silly" or "nonsense" - are uncalled for. Perhaps you might consider including a link supporting your position, instead of namecalling.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[rj1212]

Is that what you would do if your grandchild was murdered?

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not blame the smell of decomposition on "pizza" that never was in the trunk.

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not announce on national tv that the "kidnappers were being watched", even though I said previously that revealing too much info would put my grandchild risk...gmab...

If, under the same circumstances, I find out that my daughter has been clubbing when she was saying that she was looking for Caylee, and the pics are displayed for all the world, I wouldn't try to make comments on a tv show denying the validity of the pics by suggesting that these are pics of my daughter when was pregnant YEARS ago instead of dealing with the REAL issue.

If, under the same circumstances, if I had the opportunity to beg for the safe return of my grandchild on National TV...I would NOT decide to ignore that opportunity and instead focus on how tired I AM, and how badly the media is going to treat me...etc...FGS...I would've just smelled human decomposition just days before...if I believed my grandchild was alive then I'd be focusing on HER, not how d*** tired I was...

So...no...it may not be what I would do if my grandchild was murdered/missing, but what about the Anthony's?

Anything's possible.

[Adalena935]

(Emphasis mine.) Obviously Casey wasn't too worried about the drug thing in Caylee's case. I agree with your hubs.

Obviously not worried; good point. I was shocked to learn chloroform was in such large quantities in the trunk. If they would've given her a shot of the stuff in the beginning they may have found the poor little baby much earlier and had more evidence to convict the old witch.

[Narcissist71]

Ok... we were having such a good discussion before... what were we discussing?

Oh yes, now I remember. We were discussing the wisdom of older women, as in Shirley, Caylee's great-grandmother... and how she wanted to press charges against Casey for stealing from Alex's assisted-living fund, but Cindy said NO!

I am sorry, but stealing from your grandfather's assisted living fund is even worse than stealing from your daughter's piggy bank (which Casey was also apparently doing). This has got to be the lowest of the low, IMO!

If I remember correctly.....she didn't steal from the assisted living fund.....she tried....but the bank (or whoever was in charge of the account) could only cash checks for the facility.....the bank did warn Shirley that someone tried to access the account by the name of Casey Anthony. ;)

She did however use a different check to a different account of Shirley's and purchased the phone.

I'm sure that after the warning, she was keeping an eye out for unusual activity in her own bank account.

[Motomom]

Ok... we were having such a good discussion before... what were we discussing?

Oh yes, now I remember. We were discussing the wisdom of older women, as in Shirley, Caylee's great-grandmother... and how she wanted to press charges against Casey for stealing from Alex's assisted-living fund, but Cindy said NO!

I am sorry, but stealing from your grandfather's assisted living fund is even worse than stealing from your daughter's piggy bank (which Casey was also apparently doing). This has got to be the lowest of the low, IMO!

Casey has alot of moxy. I don't think it ever mattered to Casey who she stole from. if your check book was there, it was hers.

[Neffy]

And remember, Baez is the one who said she asked for a sedative.

Salt shaker, anyone?

That's what I recall not jail house personel stating this.




snipped.....

Neffy -- are we straight on the "hacked" emails yet? One email that was leaked was an exchange between Garrison and Cindy, in which Garrison essentially outs Cindy that she deliberately gave the wrong hairbrush to investigators.

Then there are the other emails, hacked or otherwise, which somehow fell into Belich's hands. Belich sent them on to the FBI, apparently with reason.

(brought this over)

First LOL on the snipped part!

Yes. Got it.

I've not put it in the right contents.

I do not believe these were hacked.

Why does Cindy have to be at home for these emails to be sent or hacked?

She can access from anywhere and send to any place.

I utilize gotomypc as I have a job that I can commute from anywhere I sit my deriare down to work. I can be in bora bora, spain or california.

All of my emails WILL come from my work computer lets say it's located in Portland Oregon. (it's not but for clarifications sake).

This program allows me to do that. I'm sure it's not the only one out there either.

If I'm in bora bora and log into mypc I can send an email anywhere and it will come from my pc in Portland Oregon from that terminal.

[Adalena935]

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not blame the smell of decomposition on "pizza" that never was in the trunk.

If my grandchild was murdered under the same circumstances, I would not announce on national tv that the "kidnappers were being watched", even though I said previously that revealing too much info would put my grandchild risk...gmab...

If, under the same circumstances, I find out that my daughter has been clubbing when she was saying that she was looking for Caylee, and the pics are displayed for all the world, I wouldn't try to make comments on a tv show denying the validity of the pics by suggesting that these are pics of my daughter when was pregnant YEARS ago instead of dealing with the REAL issue.

If, under the same circumstances, if I had the opportunity to beg for the safe return of my grandchild on National TV...I would NOT decide to ignore that opportunity and instead focus on how tired I AM, and how badly the media is going to treat me...etc...FGS...I would've just smelled human decomposition just days before...if I believed my grandchild was alive then I'd be focusing on HER, not how d*** tired I was...

So...no...it may not be what I would do if my grandchild was murdered/missing, but what about the Anthony's?

Anything's possible.

You make some very good points. Bravo! This case is already so complicated. Some of the things you've listed I had forgotten about. Thanks for the refresher.

[Adalena935]

Say can speak for me any day of the week.

Did you see the pavers at the site Caylee was found? They weren't unlike the ones under her playhouse.

Oh my gosh, there were pavers? I need more reading time here.

[daniel green]

I hope that no one, especially Katprint, minds that I am bringing the post over here. It is very good reading. It is a shame that some thought it their place to distort and then ridicule it.

This was not the original post. The original post was quoted by FallenAngel.

Take a look at this you just quoted, though:

The U.S. Supreme Court case of In Turner v. Safley (1987) http://www.law.umkc.edu/faculty/proj...ervsafley.html extensively discusses the general standard for rules that restrict inmates’ constitutional rights. “When a prison regulation impinges on inmates’ constitutional rights,” the Turner opinion read, “the regulation is valid if it is reasonably related to legitimate penological interests” (primarily, preventing escape attempts and jailhouse crime.)

I truly do not want you all to believe something that is false.

That case has NOTHING to do with any US Constitutional rights which allow inmates to view funerals.

It was an incorrect statement.

But, if someone wants to cling onto something being correct because someone said it, then I can't help it.

I did see something that is just wrong. Not at all personal.

Anyone interested can look up that case. Or, better yet, look at the US Constitution and see what rights we have. I think we are all well aware of them, though.

EAT: And wouldn't you know, the link posted doesn't even work.

[Motomom]

I don't even think they should have a public memorial. If it in any way tries to make Casey look good or if it is self-serving it's just going to be more carp hitting the fan. They should lay Caylee to rest ONE TIME. Twice is redundant, I wouldn't want all that public attention or to have to go through it again. They just love the attention or they would not be doing it.


The newest thing are videos they play with pictures. Maybe not real new but.. anyway, wonder if they will have a video montage and if they will include pictures of Caylee with her murderer (IMO)??

[gaelicpeas]

You are totally right except the lowest of the low is killing you 2 year old daughter then tossing her away in a trash bag like yesterday;s garbage

I am sorry, you are exactly right.

And then to trademark her name????? I tell ya, if my granddaughter died, the LAST thing I would think about would be trademarking her name.

[Narcissist71]

ahhhhhhhh...I see they wanted to protect her name but her little life didn't mean as much. I wish they would of been that diligent in protecting her life....amazing...just amazing....

I don't see where they didn't. Could they have done things differently? Yes. But they provided a roof over her head, feed her, clothed her, loved her.

It amazes me that people think they should have been able to foresee their daughter killing her. Amazing...just Amazing.

[rj1212]

You make some very good points. Bravo! This case is already so complicated. Some of the things you've listed I had forgotten about. Thanks for the refresher.

Thanks...but I am refusing to forget the outrageous behavior that was very evident to most.

[gaelicpeas]

If I remember correctly.....she didn't steal from the assisted living fund.....she tried....but the bank (or whoever was in charge of the account) could only cash checks for the facility.....the bank did warn Shirley that someone tried to access the account by the name of Casey Anthony. ;)

She did however use a different check to a different account of Shirley's and purchased the phone.

I'm sure that after the warning, she was keeping an eye out for unusual activity in her own bank account.Oh, okay, so that makes it okay? NOT!

[gaelicpeas]

Casey has alot of moxy. I don't think it ever mattered to Casey who she stole from. if your check book was there, it was hers.Exactly, see money, take money, was her motto, apparently.

[Narcissist71]

I am sorry, you are exactly right.

And then to trademark her name????? I tell ya, if my granddaughter died, the LAST thing I would think about would be trademarking her name.

So if your granddaughter died, and it was high profile like this, and you seen the clowns involved in this case.....

you were advised that these clowns would more than likely do it.....you'd just say the heck with it...you wouldn't care that someone like LP would have the rights to your granddaughter's name? Seriously?

[Motomom]

Then after you trademarked and copyrighted her, would you sell photos and videotapes of her to the networks?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Kat, question for you or anyone who can answer. Anthony is not an uncommon last name. how can they trademark that entire name. what if another child is born and given that name and makes a star of herself one day? Would she not be able to use her own full name.. stupid question..but how does that work?

[shelbar53]

What am I reading of the baby's name being trademarked? Is that true that this was done?

Help Find Caylee and Caylee Marie Anthony
Copyright© 2008. All rights reserved.

[Narcissist71]

Oh, okay, so that makes it okay? NOT!


Nope, it was wrong, either way.

I was just stating what happened.....is that not okay?

[CanCan]

I think that regardless whether or not the funeral is televised, Cindy and George will have it videotaped - hopefully not by the same bozos who videotaped the vacant lot where Caylee's remains were later found - and will give a copy of the video to Baez to show to Casey during a private Attorney-Client meeting. That way, Baez will be the only person who can describe Casey's reaction to the funeral.

I would not be surprised if Cindy and George offer DVDs of the funeral for sell on their various websites, and maybe even from little sidewalk tables at the mall.



Katprint
Always only my own opinions


:thumbsup: ........or in an Infomercial........."Call within the next 6 minutes, and get a second DVD FREE!!"

[Motomom]

What blows my mind is the stupid wench signed her own name on the checks...like she could give a flip if she got caught. I guess since Cindy said she was a PRO at it, she must have gotten away with it and let Mommy fit the bill EVERYTIME.

I am scared to death to write a check out of my own account if I get down to $100. It just baffles me to no end!

Had a friend, stole our cc signed his own name. I think that it has to do with them thinking that by signing their own name, they might not be questioned? they think that it's ok. I mean, they are leaving a paper trail kwim?

[sammielizabe]

I think that regardless whether or not the funeral is televised, Cindy and George will have it videotaped - hopefully not by the same bozos who videotaped the vacant lot where Caylee's remains were later found - and will give a copy of the video to Baez to show to Casey during a private Attorney-Client meeting. That way, Baez will be the only person who can describe Casey's reaction to the funeral.

I would not be surprised if Cindy and George offer DVDs of the funeral for sell on their various websites, and maybe even from little sidewalk tables at the mall.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I wouldn't be surprised by them, but still shocked that anyone would do such a thing. These are very strange people, I just wish they would stop thinking about themselves and their image they they are trying to portray and start thinking about poor Caylee and do the right thing.

[gaelicpeas]

So if your granddaughter died, and it was high profile like this, and you seen the clowns involved in this case.....

you were advised that these clowns would more than likely do it.....you'd just say the heck with it...you wouldn't care that someone like LP would have the rights to your granddaughter's name? Seriously?
Nope, the last thing I would be concerned with would be trademarking my granddaughter's name.. it really would not even enter my mind.

[Neffy]

If they weren't hacked, do you think Cindy sent them intentionally?

No not intentionally at all. Sheer stupidity, lack of sleep, working overtime to clear, cover, hamper, hinder the investigation.

Family motto seems to be: WASN'T ME, IT WAS SOMEONE ELSE.

[Motomom]

I don't see where they didn't. Could they have done things differently? Yes. But they provided a roof over her head, feed her, clothed her, loved her.

It amazes me that people think they should have been able to foresee their daughter killing her. Amazing...just Amazing.


Why are you taking that to the extreme. They should have been able to foresee murder?? i dont' think anyone here believes that the anthony's knew she was goign to murder Caylee . i really don't and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Twisting it that way makes it seem like they just said oh well..she's gonna kill her, let her go. They should ahve been able to foresee the problems Casey had. I keep an eye on not only my kids, but everyone elses for bad behavior, lieing etc.. They should have done alot of things that they didn't do..but that's hindsight.

[gaelicpeas]

You can't copyright a name......but i'm sure Kat knows that.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#title


How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks.

lol. but apparently the Anthony's tried to do exactly that.

[Narcissist71]

Then after you trademarked and copyrighted her, would you sell photos and videotapes of her to the networks?

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

More than likely not, but it would depend on how I used the money to be honest....

if I was searching and I didn't have the funds to do so and networks were offering good money for pictures of her.......

I think I might consider it to do all could to get her back....

I really can't say I would rule it out while she was missing.....

after finding out that she had already made her journey to the angels, then definitely not.

[I'mRight]

Say can speak for me any day of the week.

Did you see the pavers at the site Caylee was found? They weren't unlike the ones under her playhouse.

I saw them, but I'm confused as to why she would take them there.

The pavers where she was found appear white. Not sure what the ones under the playhouse look like.

[CanCan]

that post was NOT snipped http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12619104#post12619104

and please don't speak for MOST of the posters on here and say we LOVE her post..... :bored:


:wub: I LOVE her posts!!!!!!!!!

[Narcissist71]

Why are you taking that to the extreme. They should have been able to foresee murder?? i dont' think anyone here believes that the anthony's knew she was goign to murder Caylee . i really don't and if I'm wrong I'm wrong. Twisting it that way makes it seem like they just said oh well..she's gonna kill her, let her go. They should ahve been able to foresee the problems Casey had. I keep an eye on not only my kids, but everyone elses for bad behavior, lieing etc.. They should have done alot of things that they didn't do..but that's hindsight.

I took it to the extreme, because I felt the poster I replied to was taking it to the extreme.

[Motomom]

So if your granddaughter died, and it was high profile like this, and you seen the clowns involved in this case.....

you were advised that these clowns would more than likely do it.....you'd just say the heck with it...you wouldn't care that someone like LP would have the rights to your granddaughter's name? Seriously?


The Anthony's brought most of the clowns to the circus. It is THEM who turned this into the circus it became. Thinking of trademarking her name during that time..that's a bit much. I would have never, in a million yrs thought about trademarking a name like that. They sold pictures themselves..call it what you will licensing fees, whatever. All of those videos that were let out, the talk shows etc etc. People who made websites for Caylee were threatened and most of these people did it because they were saddened over Caylee. Not to profit.. the ones that profitted were brought in by the anthony's themselves. Why did nejames want to donate his money, that he received from the broke Anthony's?
Narc.. I'm not being an azznoozle.. I'm just tired and frustrated with tonights postings in general. I mean no offense to anyone.

[gaelicpeas]

lordy.. can we get back on track? Did anyone hear anything about the motion that was supposed to happen today?

[Neffy]

I took it to the extreme, because I felt the poster I replied to was taking it to the extreme.

I'm happy to see you didn't need to throw yourself on the floor and throw a tantrum LOL!

GOOD GRIEF!

*COUGH* *COUGH*

Quite a bit of dust from those steeds Daniel and Fallen Angel rode in on. Was that really necessary?

Rhetorical. HONEST!

[Motomom]

You probably wouldn't have a mob trespassing on your property, screaming Baby Killer or a Lenny Padilla wanting to make a fortune off of pictures of him holding Caylee's skull.

Who do you think brought LP into this? I mean, who REALLY did? They were so desperate to get the killer out that they accepted whatever he had to offer. I forget who initially contacted him, but in the end teh Anthony's made teh decisions. Also, look at that hoover guy.. now supposedly, according to the links that have been posted, he knocked on their door and offered to help with security or something.. in a high profile case like this, who allows any ole stranger to help them out? .. my mood must be changing again, I was defending the anthony's and it's shifting now :)

[Motomom]

You can't copyright a name......but i'm sure Kat knows that.

http://www.copyright.gov/help/faq/faq-protect.html#title


How do I copyright a name, title, slogan or logo?
Copyright does not protect names, titles, slogans, or short phrases. In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks.

I'm sorry, did I use the word Copyright. If i did, I was mistaken, I meant trademarked

[Narcissist71]

Kat, question for you or anyone who can answer. Anthony is not an uncommon last name. how can they trademark that entire name. what if another child is born and given that name and makes a star of herself one day? Would she not be able to use her own full name.. stupid question..but how does that work?

You'd probably hire an attorney to look into it......

kind of like Donald Trump doing it with "You're Fired"

and Paris Hilton doing it with "That's Hot".....

you'd do a search to see if anyone has done so, then it not you copyright or trademark it.

I believe the smiley had a trademark (not because of Forrest Gump)....

but basically you can do it for just about anything, even if someone has the name.

Of course I have seen where if a person has the name and uses it in their business, courts have ruled that there was no violation.

[Motomom]

excuse me?
there are rules, if you don't like it you might want to email CW.
Have a nice evening. :thumbup:

Have a good one :thumbsup:

[Neffy]

and this was how the often posted messege is "skip and scroll" came to be so popular.

Topics are.. funeral, memorial, vid tape, those infamous Anthonys... try to stick to them.

Now can someone bear to go over the whole part about pavers being found? Is that a rumor?

and anyone else find that the tag lines (couldnt HEAR the show, only see the screen a few times) NG used were like verbatim statements of the weekend? hahaa.. and people think we arent being watched here on this board and others by both sides and Im sure LE/FBI ppl too.

I just wish it was me that got to monitor messegeboards for someone. Getting paid for all the time I spend here would make me wealthy.

I don't know about the pavers sorry.

I will take vid tapes for $5000.00. I didn't read the links in the last thread pertaining to these so I'm going back

:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

(respectfully snipped)

I just wish it was me that got to monitor messegeboards for someone. Getting paid for all the time I spend here would make me wealthy.
I agree. I am re-doing my resume as I type...

[Lavenia]

I'm very appreciative of KatPrint and her expertise and patience in explaining legal mumbo-jumbo to us laypeople. :wub:

I thought I saw an impending document dump announcement last week. Was that a false alarm? We sure need one. I notice the forum is getting mighty cantankerous. :sad:

[Motomom]

Nowhere in the post you quoted does the poster say anything about copyright.

But what is being discussed... trademark.

In some cases, these things may be protected as trademarks.

Thank you Landshark. I didn't think I said copyright.

[I'mRight]

Baez & Co. have been remarkably silent. Surprised they aren't trying to spin spin spin. Maybe they woke up and smelled the coffee and are realizing that there is no way out for Casey.

Same with As. Wonder what they're thinking of Casey now.

[Motomom]

I took it to the extreme, because I felt the poster I replied to was taking it to the extreme.

I'll take your word for it.. I have no energy to go back and look.. Monkey see monkey dooo

[Narcissist71]

Nope, the last thing I would be concerned with would be trademarking my granddaughter's name.. it really would not even enter my mind.

Even if someone entered it into your mind?

Not saying you would think it up on your own. (and no that wasn't me trying to give an underhanded insult)

Just saying if someone said....well you know that LP might do it, should we go ahead and file paperwork to do it before anyone else does? Would you not consider doing it?

[Motomom]

***disclaimer: I am not waiving my team anthony flag because I dont have one****

But we haven't heard anything except George's statement since the LKL interview. Who knows what is going on in their heads right now. We have seen their statements change (IE: George) like a muddy pair of boots. I am waiting to see what they have to say at this point. They seem to be tight lipped until after the funeral, but the SCREAM for immunity in exchange for cooperation is a "eyebrow raiser" for me. Maybe they will or have seen the light. Perhaps they will end up doing the right thing in the end. With all the twist and turns tis case has made, would anyone be suprised?????

I'm with you Sassy.. I'm hoping they are realizing that the charade can't continue. It has been pointed out earlier though about them still representing missing children or something and George does want to visit her.. but I'm holding out hope. Becase I'd like to see them start to heal.

[gaelicpeas]

Even if someone entered it into your mind?

Not saying you would think it up on your own. (and no that wasn't me trying to give an underhanded insult)

Just saying if someone said....well you know that LP might do it, should we go ahead and file paperwork to do it before anyone else does? Would you not consider doing it?
Nope, just like when I broke my hand at work, the last thing that entered my mind was suing my work, even though they bent over backwards because they thought I would sue. Some of us just don't think that way. IMO.

(I hope this is not a personal thing that I will be banned for.. LOL)

[suso3280]

Mr Mosey wants to be cremated and put in the backyard sandbox so he can continue playing with his boys.
"Boys, brush off Daddy and come in for lunch!"************************************************** *
:ohmy:suso's hub wishes to have his ashes placed in the douche bottle(can i write that???:w00t: with water and run through there one more time...ewwwwwwwwwwwwwww:scared:

[OneUp]

As I acknowledged before, you did not snip some of my posts but you did snip other posts as well as quote them out of context, which was always the context of whether or not Casey could be prohibited from watching Caylee's funeral on TV, which came up because some posters felt that the jail should not allow Casey to watch Caylee's funeral since Casey probably murdered Caylee. The context was never whether the media and/or the general public have some constitutional right to force their way into private funeral services.

Besides, if you don't find my posts helpful or informative, then you shouldn't care if I ignore you.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsKatprint, if you can put up with my ignorance of the law, i DO have a question i was hoping someone could answer. You would be perfect, as i'm sure you woulduse "plain English" so i could understand . :)
wondered what the possible sentences would be for obstruction charges, adn for lying to LE during an investigation and tampering with witnesses and/or evidence in Florida. I know you don't practice there, but you certainly will fare better with interpreting the information than I.
I thought there would probably be a range of potential consequences for each offense, and that the judge would have some leeway as to the severity of the sentence imposed. Hopefully, if the Anthony's have committed a crime...and if it is a fairly nominal one, the judge can take into consideration their state of mind and "tailor" the sentence to be tempered with a little mercy.
I'm just interested in knowing what those consequences could possibly be.
Thanks if you'ev the time and inclination to respond. I'll catch the reply later.
FWIW, I always look for your posts when legal questions arise..I find them very easy to understand.
JMO, regarding the sentencing, etc.

[Motomom]

lordy.. can we get back on track? Did anyone hear anything about the motion that was supposed to happen today?

No and glad you asked.. I was going to ask earlier..heard nothing about it.. or wait.. is that why LE said that the pictures and/or xrays would be handed over by tuesday?

[sammielizabe]

Oh my gosh, there were pavers? I need more reading time here.

Is there a photo with these pavers? I hadn't heard of this before...

[Motomom]

I thought it could have been to weight her down, during flooding. There are light colored
pavers (http://gretawire.files.wordpress.com/2008/08/412.jpg) in this picture of the pool

[SIZE="1"Holla to Sharkey![/SIZE]

They are pretty heavy though. Not sure she could have carried them if they were in the bag. she'd have to carry them seperately to place them on that bag. also, I think that the anthony's would have notice them missing..course would they have mentioned that??

[need2no]

I srsly LOLed.
hard.

Imagine. CW may want that gig too! Good lord this place is hopping.

Did you happen to have any paver info?

and I dont know about todays motion. I hate going backwards to read because I never catch up!


PADILLA: When Hoover said I have a video, when Dominic called Hoover- - according to Hoover -- Dominic calls him the morning of the 15th. Says, get up here. We`re going to go get Caylee. He says, Hoover says, he asked Dominic. Is she is a live? Dominic says no. She`s deceased. They get up there and that he videoed Dominic down towards - down the road, opposite side of where the body was found.

Now, here`s something that`s very interesting. There`s some paver blocks down there that Hoover mentioned. The paver blocks are not part of the film. But if you look at the tent that was set up over the body, the paver blocks are less than 15 feet from where the body was found.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0901/05/ng.01.html

[Narcissist71]

The Anthony's brought most of the clowns to the circus. It is THEM who turned this into the circus it became. Thinking of trademarking her name during that time..that's a bit much. I would have never, in a million yrs thought about trademarking a name like that. They sold pictures themselves..call it what you will licensing fees, whatever. All of those videos that were let out, the talk shows etc etc. People who made websites for Caylee were threatened and most of these people did it because they were saddened over Caylee. Not to profit.. the ones that profitted were brought in by the anthony's themselves. Why did nejames want to donate his money, that he received from the broke Anthony's?
Narc.. I'm not being an azznoozle.. I'm just tired and frustrated with tonights postings in general. I mean no offense to anyone.

You are fine.....I understand being frustrated......

I understand what you are saying too....just have a difference of opinion as it applies to some of the things that have occurred before little Caylee was found. :(

[Freefall]

Help Find Caylee and Caylee Marie Anthony
Copyright© 2008. All rights reserved.

They got a trademark for her name (or have applied for one). http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/
(http://www.helpfindcaylee.com/)

[Motomom]

I wish they could too. i have NOT been a big fan of theirs and I have my own opinion in refrence to THEIR behavior & obstruction, but I do feel that they loved their grandaughter and I know thay are destroyed right now knowing it is FINAL that she will not be coming home. I have to have faith that they can cope and accept what has happened. They may never, but i hope they do. The first step it to listen to all the evidence against their daughter and come to terms that she did this and they have been bamboozled more so than everyone else. it doesnt mean they have to stop LOVING Casey, she is their daughter, how could they, but they do not have to be her puppets any longer. i pray that their eyes are opened with the truth.

You better be getting out of my head.. .. I completely agree.. their behaviore before she was found is one thing and I'm in total agreement with everyone.. but now that she's found I'd like to see what they are goig to do.

[Narcissist71]

Nope, just like when I broke my hand at work, the last thing that entered my mind was suing my work, even though they bent over backwards because they thought I would sue. Some of us just don't think that way. IMO.

(I hope this is not a personal thing that I will be banned for.. LOL)

Big difference.....IMO....

I wouldn't sue, especially if it was because of my own negligence.....and if it wasn't my fault, I'd have to consider it.

But you do say that they bent over backwards, so I imagine they didn't make you pay your own medical bills....

So if they didn't bend over backwards, said you had to pay your own medical bills, and it wasn't your fault or negligence that you broke your hand, would you have sued?

Just a very Big Difference IMO

[need2no]

They are pretty heavy though. Not sure she could have carried them if they were in the bag. she'd have to carry them seperately to place them on that bag. also, I think that the anthony's would have notice them missing..course would they have mentioned that??

Remember in the Greta interview with the Anthony's when they were in the backyard Cindy walks Greta over to that little area in front of 'the shed' and she remarks "there are some things we need to replace back here."....I never understood what she was talking about.

Maybe there were missing pavers in front of the shed or beside the house........

[Motomom]

You are fine.....I understand being frustrated......

I understand what you are saying too....just have a difference of opinion as it applies to some of the things that have occurred before little Caylee was found. :(

Good, cause I like to discuss and debate and just chat about this case that has consumed me day in and day out.. over 36 hrs now with no sleep..soon..I mean nothing personal, that is never my intention. I can agree with you on one thing and not on another.

Not sure what your opinions are before she was found..I flip flopped a bit before hand but IMO they were off the wall before she was found.. now i'm holding out hope. I dont' want to see anyone hurting..nobody.. and nobody deserves to lose a child or grandchild.. but enableing Casey is what I think they did, probably most of her life. Now though after the emails and all, I start to flip flop again.

[CanCan]

I'm happy to see you didn't need to throw yourself on the floor and throw a tantrum LOL!

GOOD GRIEF!

*COUGH* *COUGH*

Quite a bit of dust from those steeds Daniel and Fallen Angel rode in on. Was that really necessary?

Rhetorical. HONEST!

:tongueside: Hazmat mask anyone????

[Motomom]

why[/U] we have laws like that then you can better understand how those laws should logically apply to the various situations that might occur.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you Kat.. I appreciate you explaining that.

[need2no]

Thanks N2N ... and :ohmy: Lenny broke another bombshell. I swear Im going to start calling him Forrest! Good lord that man is a one man investigative-evidence gathering-bombshell dropping-fbi assisting renegade isnt he?


YW dvsone!

Poor Lenny...he's going to keep talking and talking and talking until they add his name to the witness list...then he'll be a happy camper.:tonguewag:

[Lavenia]

Id bet 3 of my 5 litres of blood they do!

Remember the video where Cindy says she wants to write a book recounting what she went through to help other victims of crime? I don't think you're going to have to invest in blusher very soon. :wink:

[Motomom]

Well I am out of here. Goodnight everyone.
Thanks for the good conversation tonight. It is late and I have to get up early to go to work. :seeya:

Sleep well.. heading to bed myself.. Good nite everyone

[Narcissist71]

I'll take your word for it.. I have no energy to go back and look.. Monkey see monkey dooo

No.....but goodness.....

I like your underhanded way of trying to insult.

[Lavenia]

Sleep well.. heading to bed myself.. Good nite everyone

Goodnight Motomom and Sassy!

[Narcissist71]

Good, cause I like to discuss and debate and just chat about this case that has consumed me day in and day out.. over 36 hrs now with no sleep..soon..I mean nothing personal, that is never my intention. I can agree with you on one thing and not on another.

Not sure what your opinions are before she was found..I flip flopped a bit before hand but IMO they were off the wall before she was found.. now i'm holding out hope. I dont' want to see anyone hurting..nobody.. and nobody deserves to lose a child or grandchild.. but enableing Casey is what I think they did, probably most of her life. Now though after the emails and all, I start to flip flop again.

Okay I just replied to a previous post of yours.....I hope we can be civil......

and if you didn't intend it that way then my mistake.....and I don't want to start anything....trust me.

I like to discuss, debate, and just chat as well.

[Lavenia]

Beddy bye time for me!

Signing off!

:smile:

Me too. Goodnight to us, Mrs. Hudson.

[AbbyNormal]

I can speak for myself and say I love Katprint's posts and I am glad we have a lawyer's point of view on these boards.

Jumping in late, but wanted to say ME TOO, ME TOO :thumbsup:

[Narcissist71]

I think the video above is what you're looking for, sammie.

Hey how are you tonight?

I posted a link last night, but you must have called it a night.....was wondering what your take was on Yahoo cancelling accounts after 4 months of inactivity.

Wasn't the e-mails sent to the accounts in May? Was the laptop taken into custody September?

http://help.yahoo.com/l/us/yahoo/mail/original/account/account-04.html

"Do you close accounts due to inactivity?
Yes!. Accounts are deactivated and removed after four months of no use.

When an account is deactivated, you won't be able to access it, regardless of whether or not email has been received in the account during that time.

And sorry, but we can't retrieve any of the information that was formerly stored in it."

Note: With Mail Plus, your account will never go dormant due to inactivity. Check it out!

Just wondering your take. TIA

[sammielizabe]

I have to go now...DH thinks i'm obesessed with this case??:confused:

[need2no]

The video of Greta's interview & walk through with Cindy & George can be found here (http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/) if you'd like to revisit it.

LOL, and thank you LS...I just spent 10 minutes tracking it down and come back here and find your post with a link. :blink:

If anyone is interested video PART II @ 3:05 is where Cindy walks Greta over to the (gas can) shed. You can see what appears to be sand for about 2-3 ft. in front of the shed. Perhaps at one time there were pavers there like they are everywhere else around their house, and this may be what they need to replace.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,398490,00.html

[Narcissist71]

Lenny is like a little bird tweeting in our ears; good analogy. But, if he's sitting on MY shoulder, dont feed him anything! Please!
Lil bitty. I remember. But a prediction like that is all compassing. SOMETHING is bound to happen in a case like this.
Lenny said when he saw the video, it was filmed about 100 yards from where Caylee was ultimately found.
But I believe Casey DID tell Baez where she was, and thats how DCasey ended up there. Teen hang-out! HA! So much drivel.

I thought a friend of Casey was interviewed....at first she said she talked to Casey Anthony and heard a child in the background even asked to borrow $200 I believe.....later she went back and said she was incorrect, that it was Casey Williams, if I recall correctly........

Believe this friend was someone that's name began with Kia (pretty sure you guys/gals will know who I'm speaking of)


Did she not only tell police, but meet and show police the spot by the school that was the teen hang out?

[OneUp]

If they file charges, I doubt they will be little misdemeanor "false statements" like the counts that were tacked onto Casey's murder indictment. I think they will be accomplice after-the-fact charges like those filed against Scott Dyleski's mother Esther Fielding who lied, destroyed and hid evidence very similar to Cindy Anthony's behavior in this case. In the Dyleski case, the accomplice to murder charges were dropped after Dyleski's mother agreed to testify against her son. http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_qn4176/is_/ai_n16654808 I believe that quiet but intense behind-the-scene negotiations are currently going on between the District Attorney and the various attorneys for the various Anthony family members, in hopes of avoiding the filing of formal accomplice charges in exchange for TRUTHFUL testimony.

Katprint
Always only my own opinionsTY for the relpy Kat. It's refreshing to read something that educates me AND that is pertinent to this case.
I also tend to think they may be working feverishly behind the scenes...and that things aren't going to go well for one or more of the family...but I keep trying to think positive and hope that things look worse than they really are regarding the lies and the possible actions.
I'd like to see that Caylee's grandparents didn't let her down and shame her memory to cover Casey's A**.
If it was fairly innocent, I would want consequences...merciful ones, but consequences nonetheless...if for no other reason than to deter future similar actions in other cases. If there has been deliberate tampering, lying, etc. I am sure that the SA will see to it that things are dealt with accordingly as well. I'm of the opinion that the Anthony family has worn out their extension of courtesy from local LE and the courts with their nonsense.
As Always...I suppose that is JMO.

[Narcissist71]

Yes. Assuming that Baez HIRED the investigators (there is a factual dispute about this) then they were covered under the umbrella of the "attorneys for the defense" just like the defense attorney's paralegal, law clerks, legal secretaries, janitor, photocopy service, etc. If the reason that they knew where to videotape was because Casey told JB and JB told them, or because JB thought of it on his own, or they thought of it while they were agents or servants or employees or otherwise working for Casey/Baez, then it is privileged by the Attorney-Client confidential communications privilege and/or the Attorney Work Product privilege. Even if they merely worked for JB on other aspects of the Casey Anthony defense and later went and videotaped this area on their own whim, professional industry "conflict of interest" standards would preclude disclosure.

However, the PIs story seems to be that they are freelance investigators who were merely hanging around hoping to videotape something worth selling to the networks and that they never owed any duty of confidentiality to anyone. The defense team has filed a motion for a special master to be appointed to conduct a mini-trial on this entire issue and determine the nature and extent of any privileges that might protect any portions of the two videotapes from disclosure. I have no idea how this will be decided.


Katprint
Always only my own opinions

So if they did do it on their own whim, it would indicate that Casey or Baez didn't direct them to the area, correct?

And if they testified that either Casey or Baez did, would that be contempt, or would such testimony be stopped as soon as it started? What exactly would happen to the PI's at that point?

[robmo]

I believe the pavers LP was talking about were the concrete squares off to the side of the road that everyone could see from aeriel shots(the one someone made of psychic with dog). They are spaced out along side the road. It reminds me of mile markers we have along our state highways. When LP was telling his story the first time,last week I believe, he said the PI was actually 200 ft. away from actual sight. I believe the pavers were a way for CaA to remember where the body was. She probably counted wrong. I'm going back to find ariel pics to see if pavers were on both sides of road b/c tonight LP said PI were also on wrong side of road.

[Narcissist71]

Thats true. The person known as Kia (or is it Kio) did tell police just that. I wasn't aware that the police were shown the spot though. I was under the impression that they just blew her off.

I'm not sure....

I thought she did show them.....but she may have blown them off....

Didn't she visit the neighbor....the one who loaned Casey the shovel.....

Wasn't he the one who convinced her to go to police about what she knew?

JMO

[Narcissist71]

Kiomarie? Shes the one who wanted to adopt Caylee, when Casey was preggo and didnt want her. She also said she and Casey would hang out in the general area of where Caylee was found.
I know Jesse said he heard Caylee in the background on June 25th (?) but later recanted. I'll have to read Kiomaries statement again.

Kiomarie also said she heard a child in the background....

but recanted the story and said she was mistaken.....it was Casey Williams who also had a little girl as well.....she asked to borrow money, but Kiomarie didn't loan the money because Casey Williams' mom had already taken care of it.

IMO....IIRC :)

[Narcissist71]

I'm not sure. I haven't read the National Enquirer in years.

I've never read the National Enquirer.....these are from Court Docs.

[aubrey04]

I am coming in late.. but just went to wesh.com and saw the recent story. Beazz set up a tipline for info on the area the body was found in? What does Mr. Beazz expect to gain from that? Are they going to try to say SODDI & put the body there AFTER Casey was in the clink?

:rolleyes:

I am going back to read as many post as possible now.. TIA - for any responses to this post - I hate coming in late like this - I miss So much. :(

[aubrey04]

A complete cremation is a two-step process. Firstly, the actual exposure of the deceased to several hours of intense heat and flame; after which the remains are mostly ash except for certain bone fragments, then the entire remaining ash and fragment volume is gathered and run through a processor, creating a uniform powder-like texture.


http://www.funeralassistant.com/consumerinfo/Cremation.htm

I read up on the cremation process before...(when Heath Ledger died).. I actually sort of wish I hadn't. It is a pretty gross process, imo.

[Oregongal]

Hi all, I'm coming in late. I was here a bit earlier and saw alot of snarking and rudeness going on, decided I didn't want to see that and took off.
Have things calmed down? Have peeps stopped attacking our beloved Kat?
Is it safe?
:glare:

[aubrey04]

You can cremate bones. A good friend of mine collects old antique motician tools...weird I know.

Anyway, he has what is called a "bone crusher' they still use them, but they are more updated than the one my buddy has. I guess after the body has been creamted at an ungodly high temp, the larger bone parts that are left are crushed into powder & teeny tiny pieces.
If you have ever looked at human ashes, you can see that there are large pieces of bone (they look like marrow) and they are about teh size of like a pencil eraser.

i spilled some ashes once...very tramitic experience.

I read that the ashes are actually the consistency of sand. I had always pictured them being really fine and soft, like ashes from a fire.. but they're not. They're like sand. (JMO, from stuff I have read). I guess this is a the likely burial for Caylee, as she has been reduced to nothing more than separated bone fragments.. so sad.. :(

[happygert]

ditto!
Letters. Where are those nasty lil treasure troves of info?
Can you even imagine the mumbo jumbo if there were any? They have never stated anything straight up in their lives.. the whole lot of them.
As I said in that lies/truth thread. Just do truths. The names are all Im gonna say Id swear on, and only because there is a govt issued birth cert.

eta >>> omg! maybe this is where we will see Lee fit in?

Wasn't Lee when asked do you swear the statement you just gave was the truth and nothing but the truth. Wasnt it him that wouldn't sign it? or was it someone else?

[aubrey04]

aww aubrey. dont worry, casey will still be in jail when you do catch up.

See? there is a bright side!

I need to remember that on my "worst of worst days".. ;) another Casey-ism.. I will edit Casey's myspace "ode"..

"On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken..
Casey is still in jail and won't be leaving without a toe tag attached to her body"

Thanks, dvsone.. I feel better already. :)

[Narcissist71]

Oh OK, It must have leaked out of the sieve I call my brain. Thank you

Here you go a link.....

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/media/acrobat/2008-08/41844520.pdf

Look on page 237 of 432 in the pdf. :)

[Narcissist71]

Kiomarie met the officer in front of Hidden Oak Elementary.....and showed the officer the "hang out"

Adding....and she did according to her...mistake Casey Anthony with her other friend Casey Williams......adding as far as the phone call where she heard a little girl in the background....Not the friend hangout.

[happygert]

I read that the ashes are actually the consistency of sand. I had always pictured them being really fine and soft, like ashes from a fire.. but they're not. They're like sand. (JMO, from stuff I have read). I guess this is a the likely burial for Caylee, as she has been reduced to nothing more than separated bone fragments.. so sad.. :(

Dont mean to sound harsh but the of the other posters posted the other night they probably will not be able to cremate her. Because there is only bones..

[happygert]

Dominic Casey has already commented on why they were there.

The P.I.s were there. That much is definitely true.

Its their reason for being there that is 'lacking truth.'

LandShark, I'm betting the FBI and LE will get those phone records to see if the can link time from videos to phone call that was being made.. My guess is it's one of the A's , baez or someone from the A camp.

[Narcissist71]

I know. I was kidding. The whole video tape thing confuses me. The whole discovery of the remains confuse me. None of any of it makes sense to me. People suggesting the Anthony's knew Caylee was out there, and its all part of a big cover up.. well, I just find it bizarre. This entire case reminds me of the McMartin Preschool case.

Yep, they convicted them for being a bunch of Satanic Worshipping Preschool teachers that killed bunnies.

Can I pm you?

[happygert]

It can't be. A good indication that its lacking truth.

A good indication that the A's knew where casey threw Caylee like trash to rot.

[robmo]

I'm still new to posting here but I did look at my last post a/b LP talking on Nancy Grace saying he would't be surprised if they already had the body. I also remembered a poster named little bitty or something like that. This was on Dec. 29.

Do any of you link pros know the name of that poster that talked of the BIG news and what tips they might have alluded to before this and how "little bitty" fits into this?

As I said before,LP might be nuts but he does somehow manage to come up with the good stuff to talk about.

Could LP, itty bitty, PI's actually be part of the "daisy chain"

One other thing- where would I find that ariel that someone had of the psychic ... someone posted it showing where the psychic went in the woods and then where the body was actually located?

TIA for anyones help!

[eagleeer]

Someone posted on the last thread (sorry, can't remember who) you couldn't cremate bones.

Is this a fact? What would it matter?

TIA
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Kathy, yes you can cremate bones. When a whole body is cremated at @ 2200 degreed F for two to four hours depending on the size of the body, the body is reduced to bones which become softer because all the marrow and fluids are burned out. Then they are put in a special machine and pulverized to ashes with the consistency of light sand. The reason they cremate the bones is because the pulverizing machine won't handle unburned bones. They are not dry enough. Whoever said that is wrong. I guess it would matter if one would want to keep the bones as one would do if you wanted to keep them in an urn on the mantle. Isn't my deal but some people do it.

[happygert]

Yes, in your mind.

Yes indeed and I dont think I'm alone with that thought either, IMO im with the majority

[Narcissist71]

What are you talking about?

There were zero convictions in the McMartin case & all charges were dropped in 1990.

In the on topic case here... there is plenty of evidence against Casey.

I believe there is also plenty of evidence against Cindy & George.

Hence the seeking of full immunity.

Sorry, no convictions......

I'd imagine that the people were put through hell during that time, and spent quite a bit of it in jail waiting to be acquitted.....but yes I was wrong...no convictions....

think I may have confused it with another case.....but I was wrong about this one and convictions.

I noticed you answered this post.....why not the yahoo e-mail one? You don't have a take on it?

[happygert]

hey Happy.
sigh.. was it him?
I keep one tiny flicker of hope that he will bounce up and say NO MORE!! Do the right thing for Caylee and tell us what he knows .. ALL of it.

and Cindy didnt know that it was a sworn statement... she acted like it was a collaboration with her and FBI/LE ... so ridic to me. Who doesnt know when you are asked to come talk to police that its supposed to be truthful! and that you swear to it. Whether you are complaintant, defendant, or witness... they want EVERYONES truth only.


Exactly.
I'll have to check but it was someone...LOL too many players to keep them all staright sometimes.

[aubrey04]

Dont mean to sound harsh but the of the other posters posted the other night they probably will not be able to cremate her. Because there is only bones..

I think they grind up the bones. Pretty gross, but from what I understand..that is the process. The cremation process is pretty ick. Someone posted a link early in the thread about it..

:(

[Oregongal]

I read that the ashes are actually the consistency of sand. I had always pictured them being really fine and soft, like ashes from a fire.. but they're not. They're like sand. (JMO, from stuff I have read). I guess this is a the likely burial for Caylee, as she has been reduced to nothing more than separated bone fragments.. so sad.. :(

aubrey, I happen to have the ashes of my mom and dad right here. My share....siblings got ashes as well....is in a little shelf/cupboard of my headboard. They each are in their own little ziplock bags and in the mailing envelope my step sis sent them to me in.
I have yet been able to put them in something more respectable. But, they are close to me more than 1/2 of my days and nights.
I have a very nice container I plan to put them in the shelf/cupboard as well. Just haven't done so yet.
Anyway, after reading your post, I pulled them out. My dad's ashes are very fine with very few bone fragments. Ashes so fine that I can imagine if I were to hold them in my hand and blow on them they would be be blown with the breath and wind to disappear. My mom's, who died 13 months, 5 days later, are quite different. Her's are more like sand with bigger (tho very small) bone fragments. Not at all as fine as my dad's. They were each cremated by the same funeral home and I have no idea why they are so different.
I just thought I'd throw out a first hand description. I would think that if Caylee were cremated she would be more little chunks than ash, since there was no soft tissue left of her. As you said more like sand.
I want to be cremated and I honestly think Caylee being cremated would be better than a little coffin buried with her little bones. As the bible says....ashes to ashes. She's already gone thru the decomposing. In a most horrible way.
Just my opinion and just my personal input here.

[cuddlyrunner]

Good morning from England :-)

I've been off for 12 hours and I see a thread and a half since I was last on-did something happen?

(I've got school in 20 minutes so haven't got time to read through!!)

[happygert]

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Kathy, yes you can cremate bones. When a whole body is cremated at @ 2200 degreed F for two to four hours depending on the size of the body, the body is reduced to bones which become softer because all the marrow and fluids are burned out. Then they are put in a special machine and pulverized to ashes with the consistency of light sand. The reason they cremate the bones is because the pulverizing machine won't handle unburned bones. They are not dry enough. Whoever said that is wrong. I guess it would matter if one would want to keep the bones as one would do if you wanted to keep them in an urn on the mantle. Isn't my deal but some people do it.

I said it someone posted it and then posted a link about cremation, because I said they could and then they posted the link.

[Narcissist71]

What are you talking about?

There were zero convictions in the McMartin case & all charges were dropped in 1990.

In the on topic case here... there is plenty of evidence against Casey.

I believe there is also plenty of evidence against Cindy & George.

Hence the seeking of full immunity.

Sorry I was confused with Bakersfield, California

It was about the same time.....

http://skepdic.com/satanrit.html

"One of the more pernicious consequences of the SRA witch-hunts was that many cases involving accusations of child abuse slipped beneath the media's radar. For example, while the McMartin preschool case in Los Angeles received extensive national media attention, a much more extensive witch-hunt in Bakersfield, California, went virtually unnoticed. In the 1980s, the office of District Attorney Ed Jagels prosecuted 46 people in eight alleged molestation rings. Twenty-two of thirty convictions were later reversed, including that of Jeffrey Modahl. Eight had the charges dropped and eight plea-bargained to keep them from doing time in prison. One of those convicted died in prison. The rest served out their sentences.* The last of the accused, John Stoll, served 20 years in prison before his conviction was overturned in May 2004."

[alter ego]

Cindy & George might be a little worried about being convicted in this case. You know... the case on topic?

Full immunity.

Or they will not cooperate with the prosecution.

According to the criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George.That just floors me. They won't assist the pros in finding the truth of what happened to their granddaughter unless they get a free pass.

[happygert]

in board bickering from what I understand of the earlier evening....

the PIs didnt like that they got found out.. or at least DCasey didnt.
we are now wondering if the mention of Cindy in her Greta house tour, re replacing something, was not indication that if there are pavers proved to be at the site of Caylees discovery, was what needed replacing.
umm Lee is still quiet as far as I know
Oh and Caseys right or non right to watch the memorial on TV live if it is streamed.

maybe others got more for ya!

OMG i forgot about them....

[cuddlyrunner]

in board bickering from what I understand of the earlier evening....

the PIs didnt like that they got found out.. or at least DCasey didnt.
we are now wondering if the mention of Cindy in her Greta house tour, re replacing something, was not indication that if there are pavers proved to be at the site of Caylees discovery, was what needed replacing.
umm Lee is still quiet as far as I know
Oh and Caseys right or non right to watch the memorial on TV live if it is streamed.

maybe others got more for ya!


What did the PIs get found out about? Do we know for sure?

I'm still thinking the replacing thing has to do with some bedding that Caylee was found with.

[happygert]

I think they grind up the bones. Pretty gross, but from what I understand..that is the process. The cremation process is pretty ick. Someone posted a link early in the thread about it..

:(

ok thats where i was confussed because the bones dont burn..

[AbbyNormal]

It does say something.

It says Nancy Grace doesn't agree.

That is all it says.

The fact remains. Cindy & George are seeking full immunity.

Why is that?

I like that they are finally quiet.........

[eagleeer]

If Itty bitty was banned her posts would be in virtual heaven, now. You could google the name and hit 'Cached' That might bring up snippets in time
I think the map your looking for was when the psychics were based on flower names and came from Brian'sPrediction (http://www.briansprediction.com/gale/cayleeanthony7.htm) But the site doesnt have it anymore. As Brian explains:
" TES did not want our maps or assistance again, so we're no longer offering it."

I dont think Lenny said that on Dec 29th since Caylee was found on Dec 11th. It may have been Nov?

Here are the itty bitty posts.
http://www.google.com/search?q=itty+bitty+insessiontrials&hl=en&filter=0

[happygert]

in board bickering from what I understand of the earlier evening....

the PIs didnt like that they got found out.. or at least DCasey didnt.
we are now wondering if the mention of Cindy in her Greta house tour, re replacing something, was not indication that if there are pavers proved to be at the site of Caylees discovery, was what needed replacing.
umm Lee is still quiet as far as I know
Oh and Caseys right or non right to watch the memorial on TV live if it is streamed.

maybe others got more for ya!

Thought it was going to be private? Now it's going to be televised so casey can watch it? Umm sounds like to me they maybe planning on selling the rights to the funeral. or already have.. JMHO

[Narcissist71]

...and how many people does Nancy represent?

Mosey, did you check out that link....

Kio....Casey Williams....

Kio showing police the "hangout" spot?

[alter ego]

What did the PIs get found out about? Do we know for sure?

I'm still thinking the replacing thing has to do with some bedding that Caylee was found with.
But wasn't she out by the shed when she said that?

[Narcissist71]

Its the lying to investigators & the obstruction of justice that is illegal.

Withholding information. During the investigation into their own missing grandchild.

As another poster pointed out... They won't assist the prosecution in finding the truth of what happened to their granddaughter unless they get a free pass.

Very telling indeed.


LandShark, so you have no take on the yahoo e-mail thing?

[alter ego]

They are following the advice of legal counsel. Nothing illegal about that.

Well it stands to reason that they did something illegal or they wouldn't be seeking immunity.

[Narcissist71]

Dirty pool. Snipping enough of someones post to twist the question in order to make your reply fit.
The Question posed was -Why are the Anthonys seeking full immunity?
Answer please, We'll hold.....

I'm pretty sure Exiled answered that....

and Katprint posted before that it was common practice in a situation like this if I'm not mistaken....

and most people seem to respect his/her posts when it comes to legal issues.

IMO.....I'll see if I can find it, and if not maybe Katprint (or whatever nickname can chime in about the immunity issue)

[happygert]

Well it stands to reason that they did something illegal or they wouldn't be seeking immunity.

Exactly!! They wasn't afraid to speak all over the networks until they found Caylee . Once she was found now they are seeking immunity? Yes indeed they did something they shouldn't have.. George even stated early on that if cindy kept up they would need and attorney. So IMO he knew they were headed for trouble.

[alter ego]

That's a widely believed myth. imoReally? I have never heard of anyone seeking immunity who didn't do anything illegal.

Is this case a first in that regard?

[happygert]

That's a widely believed myth. imo

:lol: myth... Ok we want immunity because it a myth that everyone should do when they have already told the truth to FBI and LE.:rolleyes: ..roflmao

[Narcissist71]

not yet I will when I'm done here. Those flippin PDFs take up too much cache space and slow me down. I have to dump cookies, after

Oh sorry, and it is a big pdf too......like 23 MB.....

I don't know if you do this or not......and I don't know how big a HD (Hard Drive) you have....

but after they load, I save them to my HD.......that way I can look at them anytime I want and don't slow down my internet.....hard part is to remember what the link is, so I name it to remind me where the link is.....

just click the little disk (looks like a 3 1/2 floppy)....think it's like the second icon over.....just easier all the way around. :)

[happygert]

no no.. the public memorial... not the family funeral.

Ok thanks ....

[eagleeer]

not yet I will when I'm done here. Those flippin PDFs take up too much cache space and slow me down. I have to dump cookies, after
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Mosey, dump your Temporary Internet Files. That is what is plugging up your puter. Every time you refresh you get a new batch of them.

[Narcissist71]

The pdf's are photos, and my little laptop cant take anymore. I am a pro artist and my comp is FULL of graphic programs and photos. I need more HD that's for sure

I told you it was 23 MB total for the 400 and some odd pages....

these aren't High Quality pics. :) You'll be fine.

These pdf's are mostly scans (which are photos) yes....but not too big ;)

[eagleeer]

You best get that stat... before the trial... an external HD for this case. :wink:
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USB 8 gig flash drives are really cheap now like 10 bucks. Mosey you should get a bunch of those and dump those files.

[Narcissist71]

Okay....Katprint,

At this point I must apologize......I attributed something to you, that I can't find.

My mistake, and I'm sorry if this is in fact the case.

Searching through Katprint's post, I have yet to find in any that Katprint said that seeking Immunity is not uncommon, or common, or anything else.

Again, Katprint said nothing of the sort unless Katprint comes back and does say such.

Humbly Narcissist71

[alter ego]

Because its standard practice within the legal community, and he is doing his job.
Not as standard as advising a client to take 5.

"Immunity would ensure the couple could tell investigators everything they know without fear of prosecution, attorney Brad Conway said."
http://www.news-press.com/article/20081231/NEWS01/81231015/1075

If they have done nothing illegal, why would they fear prosecution?

[Narcissist71]

You want me to look at them now, I take it. Sigh, OK. You better be here when I get back or there'll be 7734 to pay!

See ya in a few

No.....I was just trying to help you keep from having to empty your cache......

if you have enough HD space.......you'll save bandwidth.....

just lots easier when you want to look for something :)

Sorry, didn't mean to be pushy about it.

[Narcissist71]

Not as standard as advising a client to take 5.

"Immunity would ensure the couple could tell investigators everything they know without fear of prosecution, attorney Brad Conway said."
http://www.news-press.com/article/20081231/NEWS01/81231015/1075

If they have done nothing illegal, why would they fear prosecution?


Because of public outrage which forces the prosecutors' hands.....

I'll say it again.....the MySpace Mom was prosecuted because of public outrage, not because of the law, because she broke no law.

[Narcissist71]

Yes... why would Cindy & George fear prosecution?

What do they know?

When did they know it?

Their criminal defense attorney seems to feel they need full immunity.

Again, why is that?

Read my last post.

[alter ego]

Casey isnt in jail because Cindy lied. Come to think of it, neither is Cindy. Casey is in jail because her daughter was killed, and she is accused of murdering her.But she was arrested and thrown in jail before the bounty hunter made her bail back in Aug for making false statements, child neglect and obstructing a criminal investigation.

[robmo]

Thanks everyone for the links.....

I'm having computer problems,keeps hanging up- hopefully not a virus.

I'm going to try to deal with it so I can find that picture of the pavers by the scene. I know it wasn't a big one like the A's had in their yard. To the best of my memory there were a/b 4-4x6 squares set into the ground.

I'm going over NG transcripts to find when LP made his statements and trying to find how little bitty came up with her predictions. I know they were after Nov. 15 (per LP) but b/f Dec. 29. That was my last post talking a/b LP remarks.

Again-thanks for the links,now I have to figure out the daisy chain.

[Narcissist71]

But she was arrested and thrown in jail before the bounty hunter made her bail back in Aug for making false statements, child neglect and obstructing a criminal investigation.

Yes Casey was....

Cindy wasn't, nor is she now.

[eagleeer]

No.....I was just trying to help you keep from having to empty your cache......

if you have enough HD space.......you'll save bandwidth.....

just lots easier when you want to look for something :)

Sorry, didn't mean to be pushy about it.
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Narcissist, pardon me for butting in here but dumping your cache does save bandwith because your browser doesn't have to plug through all those Temp Int. Files when you refresh or open a new window. I do it all the time even while I am in the middle of a session and things start to slow down. Or am I not getting what you are saying?

[Narcissist71]

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Narcissist, pardon me for butting in here but dumping your cache does save bandwith because your browser doesn't have to plug through all those Temp Int. Files when you refresh or open a new window. I do it all the time even while I am in the middle of a session and things start to slow down. Or am I not getting what you are saying?

Nope it doesn't save bandwidth.....

if I download a pdf to my harddrive and view it.....that saves bandwidth....because I don't have to go online to get it.....

I don't have to click on an online link......actually if I clear my cache and continue to click on the same link, it'll continually "download" (and yes things in your cache are downloaded) it to my hard drive anyway.

I don't know, you probably aren't getting it, because it's 4:21 AM here...and maybe I'm not typing clearly enough.

[Narcissist71]

And who said Cindy was thrown in Jail?
OK I read it. Kiomarie predicted the dump site prettly close. Thats interesting. She said behind the school is where they used to go. Which direction is Behind? West?

She met and showed the police...walked them to the hang out spot.

[Narcissist71]

Yep your doing it right. Sounds like you take care of your stuff. I delete all. Internet files, history, cookies, forms and prefetch. Just click "delete all" if you want is squeeky clean


Okay....if this is what you guys call saving bandwidth, then no you guys are wrong and it wasn't a misunderstanding.

Sorry, just being honest.

[alter ego]

Because of public outrage which forces the prosecutors' hands.....

I'll say it again.....the MySpace Mom was prosecuted because of public outrage, not because of the law, because she broke no law.I don't buy that Narc....laws are made or changed due to public outcry....prosecutors don't charge people with non existent laws because of public outcry. Besides, in the case you mention, the Feds brought charges, not the local DA.

[Narcissist71]

Thanks you guys!
and What was the date of Kio's interview/talk?

July 19th is the call....July 20th was when she took the police to the "hang out" spot.

[eagleeer]

This is gonna get our butts in trouble.. but I gotta ask.
What is dumping cache... and how does one find this in Vista...

I do the Temp File thing. and sometimes disk cleanup... and maybe defrag once a month.....

am I doing this right?
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Your Temporary Internet Files and cache are one in the same. You also have temp files in your Windows/temp directory. Those should be deleted also. They are the ones that are TMP File. They are useless unless you have something open that are using them. Windows uses a couple but the rest can go. Windows will not let you delete the ones that it is using so there is no danger of deleting the others. OK back on topic. PM me if you have any other questions.

[alter ego]

Most people are aware of that.
I thought so. And I apologize, I misread your post - I thought you were alluding that Casey wasn't jailed for lying.

[Narcissist71]

I don't buy that Narc....laws are made or changed due to public outcry....prosecutors don't charge people with non existent laws because of public outcry. Besides, in the case you mention, the Feds brought charges, not the local DA.

Yep, because the Local DA and the State Attorney in Missouri said she didn't break any laws.......

A California Federal Prosecutor twisted a hacking law to charge her.....

can't wait for Judge Wu to dismiss it (he still hasn't decided...of course he might fall to the pressure)....too bad he put himself between a rock and a hard place by not throwing it out because of public outrage....and hoped the jury would be intelligent and find the defendant not guilty of hacking into MySpace.....

[eagleeer]

Landshark are you still here? I thought it quite telling when George told the FBI in the interview that the decomp "is a smell you never forget." Then on LKL he says, "I never thought that garbage could smell that way." Of course Cindy was giving him a wedgey (sp) at the time. So he lied in public but told the truth in the FBI interview. Ok George which is it?

[Narcissist71]

This is gonna get our butts in trouble.. but I gotta ask.
What is dumping cache... and how does one find this in Vista...

I do the Temp File thing. and sometimes disk cleanup... and maybe defrag once a month.....

am I doing this right?

No that is all good to do....

the topic was saving bandwidth.......go to a pdf....maybe like one of the one's here that are like 2 MB.....let it load without saving it......then go right back to it......

it should load fairly.....

now clear your TEMP (Cache) files....and go back to the pdf...

oh wow it has to download again.

Right? LOL Sorry but seriously.

[eagleeer]

We dont know if it was the exact spot. Its about 1/4 mile to the school. Pretty dern close, I'd say
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Mosey, go to Google Maps and type in 8900 Suburban Drive, Orlando FL. That is the location of the remains site. Zoom in and use the hand to move the map around and you will see Hopesprings Dr. The Anthony home is fifteen houses back from Suburban. It is the house with a partially covered round swimming pool and the playhouse. That will show you just how close they live to the remains site. You will need to use the Satellite view to see the actual houses and yards.

[Narcissist71]

We dont know if it was the exact spot. Its about 1/4 mile to the school. Pretty dern close, I'd say

No I don't know the exact spot.......

there is little I know exactly about the case.....

but we discuss things that we don't know exactly about.....

I hear people talk about things that they have no clue about as if it's fact.

It's cool....I admit it.....would like other people to admit that they have no clue either.......

Like people saying they know Lee sent e-mails.......

there is no evidence whatsoever....yet that is the topic....

at least I showed where someone actually showed the police where the "hang out" was.

[Narcissist71]

Landshark are you still here? I thought it quite telling when George told the FBI in the interview that the decomp "is a smell you never forget." Then on LKL he says, "I never thought that garbage could smell that way." Of course Cindy was giving him a wedgey (sp) at the time. So he lied in public but told the truth in the FBI interview. Ok George which is it?


I thought it was telling that the Impound Guy said he had smelled decomp before, and rated the smell from the trunk a 7 out of 10 on odors.

[eagleeer]

Wedgey or Wedgie
Pronunciation: \ˈwe-jē\
Function: noun
Date: 1939
the condition of having one's clothing wedged between the buttocks usually from having one's pants or underpants yanked up from behind as a prank —often used with get or give

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Yea, like I needed the visual. :tonguewag:

[Narcissist71]

Oh Man! I'v done that so many times since August, I feel like I could drive Orlando blindfolded! It is amazingly close. The murderess sure lived in a small world didnt she?

Small world, but I wouldnt want to paint it. -Steven Wright

I checked and my aunt and uncle live about 13 miles from the Anthonys.....which is kind of weird.

[eagleeer]

I thought it was telling that the Impound Guy said he had smelled decomp before, and rated the smell from the trunk a 7 out of 10 on odors.
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He!! even Cindy said that "the car smelled like there's a dam dead body in it." then turns it around running down the street with the media following and says it was pizza. Which is it Cindy?

[Narcissist71]

*snipped*

ps... if you are talking about emails that were "accidently" sent to the news reporter... and the possible hacking of said senders email. I dont beleive that. But I havent paid that much attn to them ... and prob wont until they are released.

Nope not the e-mails I'm speaking of....

I was talking about the e-mails from Thomas Franck.......

and the e-mail addresses that were in the forward.

Several to yahoo.com addresses (which explains why I linked to yahoo and their policy on inactivity)

[eagleeer]

Well folks, it is 2 am where I am and I got to put these old bones in a prone position. It has been fun but not.....real fun.:blink:

[Narcissist71]

do you think they would mind doing a few ummm things for us?

are they retired and bored?

Actually they are retired.

[Narcissist71]

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He!! even Cindy said that "the car smelled like there's a dam dead body in it." then turns it around running down the street with the media following and says it was pizza. Which is it Cindy?


Just saying that the Impound Lot Guy said he had smelled human decomposition before.....

and he put the smell coming from the trunk at a 7 out of 10....sorry he said it not me.

[eagleeer]

Just saying that the Impound Lot Guy said he had smelled human decomposition before.....

and he put the smell coming from the trunk at a 7 out of 10....sorry he said it not me.
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Agreed, gnite.

[Narcissist71]

Hmmmm ... /rubs hands vigorously/ ...

I wonder how they feel about crime. And by crime I mean the Casey Anthony case pending. :thumbsup:

Not sure, but they wouldn't do anything illegal....though I'd imagine they believe Casey is guilty.

[CANDYKISSES]

As Exiled has posted before... immunity is usually offered by the prosecution.

It is offered when the prosecution believes there will be some benefit to the prosecution's case.

Alas, there is no immunity in this case being offered.

Cindy & George are asking for immunity before they will speak truthfully to investigators.

So who benefits?

Cindy & George.

Why is that?


From my POV any defense attorney would be remiss NOT TO DO SO, given the situation here.

Let's say the Anthony family acted reasonable and simply believed their daughter and her pack of lies. They could have unknowingly done things that may have enabled Casey further. While I doubt that's the case here, as I do perceive a scriptwriter somewhere in the mess (after realizing Caylee would never come back home), it could be otherwise and the need to protect their rights while they attempt a shot at the truth with LE takes place. ALL JMO tho. :biggrin: