Monday Jan 05,2009 part I early morning

[Narcissist71]

Lets hope for another day of civility and respect for each others as posters.

Take care and be safe one and all.

[Narcissist71]

I think it should work. No worries. Hi Narcissist.. Did you happen to watch Geraldo tonight?

No I didn't.....might have to turn it to Fox to see if there is a rerun on.

I'm not big on Geraldo....don't find him credible.....

whether he says things I agree with or not......I'd rather have another source to rely on.

[Narcissist71]

He had on both the attornies representing Lee and the family, to answer the questions that was asked so many times here yesterday. Why they needed attornies. They pretty much both said they would be remiss in their duties by not insisting it for their clients. Not necessarily that they have done terrible things, but more as standard proceedure in these type cases.

I'd say I would do the same thing if I were an attorney, considering everything that has happened thus far.

Fox has another person that I don't find credible on right now.....but at least his show doesn't really test his credibility.....

Ollie North if you were wondering.

[Oregongal]

I'd say I would do the same thing if I were an attorney, considering everything that has happened thus far.

Fox has another person that I don't find credible on right now.....but at least his show doesn't really test his credibility.....

Ollie North if you were wondering.

Ollie???
Is he an attorney?
I don't find him credible either.
I sometimes so wish I got Faux.
I would love to hear what he has to say on this case.
Sorta. :unsure:
This case is sure bringing em out.

[Narcissist71]

Ollie???
Is he an attorney?
I don't find him credible either.
I sometimes so wish I got Faux.
I would love to hear what he has to say on this case.
Sorta. :unsure:
This case is sure bringing em out.

No Ollie North was the fall guy during the Reagan Administration....

He was caught shredding papers with that one woman.....who's her name....not Donna Rice....that was the Gary Hart scandal....

Oh Fawn Hall....

during Iran-Contra.

[Narcissist71]

Is Ollie North the same person as Oliver North? I really can't stand watching FOX news at all, and haven't really cared for Geraldo for many years. Although back in the day.. he was a pretty cool, and not bad to look at either. Anyway.. I usually don't watch, except he does have a different approach than Nancy does, and thats always a good thing.


Yes Oliver North is the same as Ollie North.....Iran-Contra guy.

[Narcissist71]

I rarely watch Nancy.....

would consider most people more credible than her.......neck and neck with Baghdad Bob....

Okay I know that's an exaggeration.....even Baghdad Bob has more credibility than Nancy IMO......

Just Kidding.....but yeah, I don't care for her at all.

[Oregongal]

Is Ollie North the same person as Oliver North? I really can't stand watching FOX news at all, and haven't really cared for Geraldo for many years. Although back in the day.. he was a pretty cool, and not bad to look at either. Anyway.. I usually don't watch, except he does have a different approach than Nancy does, and thats always a good thing.

I used to watch Geraldo back in the day when he had his 1 hr show on in the afternoon. He seemed to be a good guy until the chair throwing, Ger getting his nose broke program. For me, from that day on he became a Jerry Springer wannabe.
Yes, he does have a diff approach than Nancy, he seems to be on the fence and just a bit too friendly with defense attorney's. JB in particular.
I prefer, notice I am saying I prefer the prosecution side of law.
I like it when bad guys are caught and convicted. If I had it all to do over again, I would have been a prosecuting attorney. Or a psychoanylst that would have studied and kept the bad guys away from society.
I know everyone has a right to a good defense, but, I'm also a good vs. bad type gal.
I'd rather be on the side that gets the bad guys put away.
That's me and I'm not afraid to admit it.

[Oregongal]

No Ollie North was the fall guy during the Reagan Administration....

He was caught shredding papers with that one woman.....who's her name....not Donna Rice....that was the Gary Hart scandal....

Oh Fawn Hall....

during Iran-Contra.

Oh, I do remember that Nar.
He was a high ranking Army dude too wasn't he?
So not an attorney...so what the heck did he have to say about the Casey A case?
Why is he even speaking about it?
:confused:

[Narcissist71]

You sure know your political scandals well. It doesn't surpise me that Fox would be the station he would go to. Do you happen to have a degree in political science or something?

Nope....I hate saying it.....but I started my college career pre-med, than decided that I didn't want to do that, so I changed to pre-pharmacy, then decided to change to political science so I would have a foundation for Law School. (You can tell I never considered English as a major)

Well in college everyone told me to get a degree in computer science, but I didn't want to do that because computers have been my hobby since I was a little boy. Now I wished I had done that and gotten a computer science degree, though even without a degree I know more than my younger cousin that does. LOL

I'm degreeless (not a word) at the moment, but I'm working on computers and possibly internet law....though I think I would find doing Computer Forensics a very compelling occupation.

[Oregongal]

I guess it takes people like you to make people like me want to be a defense attorney, if there were do-overs in life. I don't mean that to sound bad, because I don't mean it bad. But Nancy represents the worst of a prosecutor, I imagine thats why she doesn't do it anymore. Its actually not poeple like you, but its really people like Nancy that makes outherwise normal people want to become a defense attorney.
I liked Geraldo, way back when, when he was a very young reporter on 20-20.

To each their own Exiled.
:wink:

[Oregongal]

Nope....I hate saying it.....but I started my college career pre-med, than decided that I didn't want to do that, so I changed to pre-pharmacy, then decided to change to political science so I would have a foundation for Law School. (You can tell I never considered English as a major)

Well in college everyone told me to get a degree in computer science, but I didn't want to do that because computers have been my hobby since I was a little boy. Now I wished I had done that and gotten a computer science degree, though even without a degree I know more than my younger cousin that does. LOL

I'm degreeless (not a word) at the moment, but I'm working on computers and possibly internet law....though I think I would find doing Computer Forensics a very compelling occupation.

You obviously have a well rounded knowledge about alot of things.
Computer Forensics, I would think, would include all of those things you've already studied. Go for it.
(And I see nothing wrong with your grasp of English.) I even like your 'not a word' words.
:smile:

[Oregongal]

I guessed political science, because you sound like you would do well in that area. Not to say computer science isn't great for you. In any case I think you might have made a pretty good lawyer.

I agree Exiled, Nar would be a pretty good lawyer.
Eh hem Nar, you still could be.

[2Hope4]

But what if something happened to George and Cindy?


I think you're meaning hypothetically, but I am worried about them. I fear they are both suicidal and Lee has moved in to be on suicide watch. Perhaps they aren't at the point of having a suicide plan, or exactly in the 'red zone' yet, but I wonder if someone hasn't told Lee to keep a very close eye on them.

If so, that's a huge responsibility to put on someone, and imo, totally not fair to anyone to carry that burden. If a suicide were to happen, the guilt would totally consume. I pray that both grandparents will seek mental help asap, before it is too late. I fear Cindy is blaming herself as it is, and will refuse mental treatment because in her mind, she believes the counselor told her to kick Casey out, and fight for custody of Caylee, rather than perhaps the counselor was guiding her thinking into that direction, but didn't actually tell her. (It's awfully late here, and I hope that makes sense!)

Seeking help NOW might benefit the whole family. Allow the grieving process to begin, as well as helping them to deal with their thoughts surrounding this nightmare.

As much as their actions have upset me, I can't help but to worry about them. Strange to some I'm sure. :unsure:

[candace]

He had on both the attornies representing Lee and the family, to answer the questions that was asked so many times here yesterday. Why they needed attornies. They pretty much both said they would be remiss in their duties by not insisting it for their clients. Not necessarily that they have done terrible things, but more as standard proceedure in these type cases.

I disagree with these attorneys,this is not the standard for the family members of Casey,she needs an attorney! The grandparents and the brother lawyer up now? The only reason they need to lawyer up is because they,they made conflicting statements,they obstructed the investigation,by not giving caylee's hair brush,the grandmother purposely with held it.Brother Lee,visits Casey and they speak in code,to do his own investigation,he also advises Casey to write to them,so she can communicate with them,so the police won't know what she is telling them,maybe the truth and where she hide caylee's body.

[Sorrento]

Nitey nite! Looking forward to discussing the case with ya more later on. BTW, mind sending some of those chili recipes to me in PM? :wub:

I'll be happy to do so. It will probably be the middle of the night tomorrow (Mon/Tues). If I forget, feel free to send me a PM.

[PuffDragon]

I disagree with these attorneys,this is not the standard for the family members of Casey,she needs an attorney! The grandparents and the brother lawyer up now? The only reason they need to lawyer up is because they,they made conflicting statements,they obstructed the investigation,by not giving caylee's hair brush,the grandmother purposely with held it.Brother Lee,visits Casey and they speak in code,to do his own investigation,he also advises Casey to write to them,so she can communicate with them,so the police won't know what she is telling them,maybe the truth and where she hide caylee's body.

Morning early birds!
It would be interesting to get a handle on what the lawyers are really saying.
What we need is a Defense Lawyer to English language translation. I'd love to see that............

There's no evidence that my client was involved in anything against the law -
The police haven't released what they have against him.

My client is 100% innocent -
Of abiding by the law.

:rolleyes:

[Motomom]

Anyone think that anything big is going to happen this week with the case? Was the funeral planned yet for Caylee? I understand the defense wanting to examine the bones, but really, how long is that to take? This baby needs to be laid to rest properly.

[PuffDragon]

Anyone think that anything big is going to happen this week with the case? Was the funeral planned yet for Caylee? I understand the defense wanting to examine the bones, but really, how long is that to take? This baby needs to be laid to rest properly.

Haven't heard anything Motomom, it's as if there has been a moratorium for the holidays. Horrible holiday memories for the Anthonys, I just can't imagine them being in any condition to make decisions, I'd be curled up in a cave and don't anybody even talk to me!

[n/t]

I disagree with these attorneys,this is not the standard for the family members of Casey,she needs an attorney! The grandparents and the brother lawyer up now? The only reason they need to lawyer up is because they,they made conflicting statements,they obstructed the investigation,by not giving caylee's hair brush,the grandmother purposely with held it.Brother Lee,visits Casey and they speak in code,to do his own investigation,he also advises Casey to write to them,so she can communicate with them,so the police won't know what she is telling them,maybe the truth and where she hide caylee's body.


I totally agree. No need for defense attornies if you abide by the law and cooperate fully with investigators.

I think we'll see some bombshells in the coming weeks.

Good Morning all....back to work Monday....yuck!

[Motomom]

Haven't heard anything Motomom, it's as if there has been a moratorium for the holidays. Horrible holiday memories for the Anthonys, I just can't imagine them being in any condition to make decisions, I'd be curled up in a cave and don't anybody even talk to me!

Very horrible for them, I can't imagine. She still needs to be laid to rest, many parents have to make those horrid decisions as well, and they do. I just wonder if there is more to them waiting I guess. If I were them, I'd do it before Lee gets charged with something or they do. Not sure if I think anyone else will get charged, but Lee lawyering up was for a reason I think. I hope they aren't waiting or trying to fight the decision that Casey isn't allowed to attend?

[newsjunkie]

I think you're meaning hypothetically, but I am worried about them. I fear they are both suicidal and Lee has moved in to be on suicide watch. Perhaps they aren't at the point of having a suicide plan, or exactly in the 'red zone' yet, but I wonder if someone hasn't told Lee to keep a very close eye on them.

If so, that's a huge responsibility to put on someone, and imo, totally not fair to anyone to carry that burden. If a suicide were to happen, the guilt would totally consume. I pray that both grandparents will seek mental help asap, before it is too late. I fear Cindy is blaming herself as it is, and will refuse mental treatment because in her mind, she believes the counselor told her to kick Casey out, and fight for custody of Caylee, rather than perhaps the counselor was guiding her thinking into that direction, but didn't actually tell her. (It's awfully late here, and I hope that makes sense!)

Seeking help NOW might benefit the whole family. Allow the grieving process to begin, as well as helping them to deal with their thoughts surrounding this nightmare.

As much as their actions have upset me, I can't help but to worry about them. Strange to some I'm sure. :unsure:


I realize I am new here but I would like to respond to your post 2Hope4.
I don't think CA is suicidal, she is too controlling for that.
She will want to see this out.
George I would worry about.
As for Lee my suspicion is that Mallory has had enough, especially if he faces some charges. The entire situation and the family dynamics involved with the A's could take a very big toll on an outsider who is involved with them. Her family is probably encouraging her to run for the hills.

I may be off on this but it's JMO.:unsure:

[n/t]

Haven't heard anything Motomom, it's as if there has been a moratorium for the holidays. Horrible holiday memories for the Anthonys, I just can't imagine them being in any condition to make decisions, I'd be curled up in a cave and don't anybody even talk to me!


If it wasn't for the second autopsy, Caylee would've been laid to rest by now, imo. The holdup is the autopsy, apparently.

[PuffDragon]

Very horrible for them, I can't imagine. She still needs to be laid to rest, many parents have to make those horrid decisions as well, and they do. I just wonder if there is more to them waiting I guess. If I were them, I'd do it before Lee gets charged with something or they do. Not sure if I think anyone else will get charged, but Lee lawyering up was for a reason I think. I hope they aren't waiting or trying to fight the decision that Casey isn't allowed to attend?

I guess there isn't really any hurry at this point, they can take the time to make thoughtful decisions and not jump into the first plan they think of. I hope they have someone sensible advising them. I'm probably wishing on wisps of smoke, I guess I'm just heartened by the fact that none of the Anthonys has made a single stupid public appearance since the bones were identified; thinking maybe they finally came to their senses?

They may have made plans already, and are just waiting for the defense expert to turn in a report so they can take the body for burial.

[PuffDragon]

I realize I am new here but I would like to respond to your post 2Hope4.
I don't think CA is suicidal, she is too controlling for that.
She will want to see this out.
George I would worry about.
As for Lee my suspicion is that Mallory has had enough, especially if he faces some charges. The entire situation and the family dynamics involved with the A's could take a very big toll on an outsider who is involved with them. Her family is probably encouraging her to run for the hills.

I may be off on this but it's JMO.:unsure:

I don't think you're off on this, newsjunkie. I also don't think Cindy is suicidal but I wouldn't be surprised if she didn't collapse and end up with a nervous breakdown. I don't like her, and I don't like her way of dealing with this crisis, but I feel sorry for what must be happening in her head right now.
George..... yes, I do think he could be vulnerable. I don't think he has much of a backbone. If he lets go and falls into a depression........ well, I think suicide could be a possibility, especially if he lets himself look ahead at what's in his future.
And Lee? I guess it depends on what LE has on him and what he has to look forward to. I don't see suicide, depression, or a mental breakdown ahead for him, I'm not sure why I don't, i guess I think he's too shallow for deep emotion.
Poor Mallory. If she's smart she'll back off for a while and see what shakes out of the tree. We don't know how far their relationship goes back, do we, or what their commitment to each other is? So I'm not commenting on that one, it's their own business, not mine.

[PuffDragon]

If it wasn't for the second autopsy, Caylee would've been laid to rest by now, imo. The holdup is the autopsy, apparently.

I agree, I'm sure that's it. Not that this time of the year would matter to the principal players, but the scientists probably wanted to celebrate their holidays, it's not like anything was going to change the condition of the remains before they get examined again.

[Motomom]

I guess there isn't really any hurry at this point, they can take the time to make thoughtful decisions and not jump into the first plan they think of. I hope they have someone sensible advising them. I'm probably wishing on wisps of smoke, I guess I'm just heartened by the fact that none of the Anthonys has made a single stupid public appearance since the bones were identified; thinking maybe they finally came to their senses?

They may have made plans already, and are just waiting for the defense expert to turn in a report so they can take the body for burial.


Well puff, I agree with you about hoping they came to their senses.. but I read where George said he wanted to see Casey..go figure. I mean, I have kids, I get that she is their child, but IDK..I'm sure it's tough, can't imagine. As to the funeral..well IMO it needs to be done sooner rather than later..and I think I'd be demanding that these experts that are doing this second examination get on it if they haven't already. That baby lied out in the elements for months as it is.. she needs to just be put to rest.. I don't know why it's bothering me so much but it is.

[Motomom]

I agree, I'm sure that's it. Not that this time of the year would matter to the principal players, but the scientists probably wanted to celebrate their holidays, it's not like anything was going to change the condition of the remains before they get examined again.

I think it was in their best interest to leave it be after the first autopsy, which it isn't even an autopsy. THey could not prove the cause of death, her bones weren't broken, no head trauma ect.. Casey is better off with Dr. G's exam..then say..ohhhhh henry lee.. IMO anyways :)

[AMS]

If it wasn't for the second autopsy, Caylee would've been laid to rest by now, imo. The holdup is the autopsy, apparently.

Morning - is it known if they have even started the second autopsy?

[2Hope4]

Isn't there a hearing coming up soon? I think the judge's orders were that they prosecutors had so many days to give the defense xrays, and whatever they wanted, BUT, if they objected to turning it over, they would have a hearing.

Been up all night, so can't remember the details. Can someone fill us in?
:wub:

[Motomom]

Isn't there a hearing coming up soon? I think the judge's orders were that they prosecutors had so many days to give the defense xrays, and whatever they wanted, BUT, if they objected to turning it over, they would have a hearing.

Been up all night, so can't remember the details. Can someone fill us in?
:wub:

Well when is their 14 days up? Didn't they have two weeks?? Oh I thought that there was another hearing for Jan 15th?? maybe?? dates' probaby wrong. I want this to go to trial fast.. I'm hoping

[2Hope4]

If Casey were my daughter, I'd want to see her as well. So I could tell her what I think, that I despise her actions, her lying, etc., and that she needed to come clean with the truth! Of course I'd love to be able to knock some sense into her, but would be kinda hard through that plexi-glass. :ohmy:

[Motomom]

If Casey were my daughter, I'd want to see her as well. So I could tell her what I think, that I despise her actions, her lying, etc., and that she needed to come clean with the truth! Of course I'd love to be able to knock some sense into her, but would be kinda hard through that plexi-glass. :ohmy:

Oh well, yeah for that I'd want to visit her.. In fact, I would demand that she see me. But I didn't get the impression that GA wanted to visit for that reason.. But I bet cindy wants to get her hands on her neck again..

[2Hope4]

Well when is their 14 days up? Didn't they have two weeks?? Oh I thought that there was another hearing for Jan 15th?? maybe?? dates' probaby wrong. I want this to go to trial fast.. I'm hoping

That sounds right! Yes, 14 days to turn over the evidence. I do believe there was already a hearing scheduled for the 15th, and they could ask for another hearing if they objected. IIRC

I agree with those saying the defense probably won't even do another autopsy aka exam of the remains. They'll go over the evidence given to them, and only if something is suspicious to them, or they think it would benefit them to check it out further. Otherwise, let sleeping dogs lie. Their own ME might find something that was missed (though from what I've read about the ME that did the autopsy, I doubt they'll find anything new. She is human though, so always a chance for a mistake. IMO)

[n/t]

Morning - is it known if they have even started the second autopsy?


This was posted by CuC on the links thread:

01-03-2009, 12:45 AM
Cury-us Coyote
Registered User Join Date: Nov 2006
Posts: 5,519

George Anthony: ‘There is a hole in my heart'

Lee, the Anthony’s son and brother to Casey, has moved back home to be with his parents.

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...tentId=8187300
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/My...1&locale=EN-US

[Januarybaby]

If Casey were my daughter, I'd want to see her as well. So I could tell her what I think, that I despise her actions, her lying, etc., and that she needed to come clean with the truth! Of course I'd love to be able to knock some sense into her, but would be kinda hard through that plexi-glass. :ohmy:

First G&C have to acknowledge their princess actually did something wrong first. They are trying to cover up for her instead of letting her take her lumps for killing that poor baby. He probably wants to see her to make sure all cover up stories match. IMO, Caylee is coming in second to Casey......sad isnt it?

The rest of us would want to shake our kids til the truth flew out of her mouth, I know I would.

[Motomom]

First G&C have to acknowledge their princess actually did something wrong first. They are trying to cover up for her instead of letting her take her lumps for killing that poor baby. He probably wants to see her to make sure all cover up stories match. IMO, Caylee is coming in second to Casey......sad isnt it?

The rest of us would want to shake our kids til the truth flew out of her mouth, I know I would.

I'm still holdng my opinion on them because they haven't really said anything or spun any more lies..or defended Casey since Caylee was found. Not saying that they won't, but for now I choose to give them the benefit of doubt. They won't be able to keep their mouths shut for much longer if they plan on denying that Casey has done this.

[PuffDragon]

Well puff, I agree with you about hoping they came to their senses.. but I read where George said he wanted to see Casey..go figure. I mean, I have kids, I get that she is their child, but IDK..I'm sure it's tough, can't imagine. As to the funeral..well IMO it needs to be done sooner rather than later..and I think I'd be demanding that these experts that are doing this second examination get on it if they haven't already. That baby lied out in the elements for months as it is.. she needs to just be put to rest.. I don't know why it's bothering me so much but it is.

I know he said that. At first I thought it was more Anthonyspeak, but maybe not so much. She is still his little girl. Daddy's girl. He must be terribly conflicted. I always felt that he didn't really know how to talk to her, didn't understand her, probably didn't know why he couldn't get to her when he thought he probably ought to have been able. Does that make any sense? Should I go get my morning tea and start again?

I'm not so much at the 'get Caylee buried quick' place that a lot of posters are. I feel like her remains are in a safe and comfortable place now, not lost in a plastic bag in a swamp, so I just don't feel that there's a huge hurry. It's for the family now, they have to do it when they're ready.

[Januarybaby]

I'm still holdng my opinion on them because they haven't really said anything or spun any more lies..or defended Casey since Caylee was found. Not saying that they won't, but for now I choose to give them the benefit of doubt. They won't be able to keep their mouths shut for much longer if they plan on denying that Casey has done this.


Sometimes I wish I could do that, but I cant. From the moment they laid their 1st lie out there and hindred the investigation, which if they faced the facts and didnt lie, hinder an investigation and protect that skank of a daughter of theirs and made Caylee take a backseat instead of being the most important thing, I lost any emotions I had for them. Just because they arent talking now, I cant forget what they had already done and maybe Caylee would have been found alot sooner. You dont ask for immunity when you havent done something wrong or kept information on something that you know was wrong. JMO but I cant stand them.

The only reason they havent opened their mouths again is because the lawyer probably told them to shut up now, because they are in enough trouble.

[Motomom]

I know he said that. At first I thought it was more Anthonyspeak, but maybe not so much. She is still his little girl. Daddy's girl. He must be terribly conflicted. I always felt that he didn't really know how to talk to her, didn't understand her, probably didn't know why he couldn't get to her when he thought he probably ought to have been able. Does that make any sense? Should I go get my morning tea and start again?

I'm not so much at the 'get Caylee buried quick' place that a lot of posters are. I feel like her remains are in a safe and comfortable place now, not lost in a plastic bag in a swamp, so I just don't feel that there's a huge hurry. It's for the family now, they have to do it when they're ready.

Families are NEVER ready to bury a loved one, let alone a child. We know that they are waiting (thanks to the link but I'm still wondering) for the second autopsy to be "wrapped up".. If it is wrapped up, there is NO reason not to lay her to rest, or have her cremated, whichever they chose. Families don't typically wait until they are ready I guess is what I'm trying to say..

I kind of see what you are saying about GA and I did think she must be Daddy's girl and I tend to think that CA will be much colder in regards to Casey..but you're right, GA probably won't. But you know he was around alot, per the emails, he only worked half the time..I'm sure there are alot of would/could/should haves..but it's too late for that now. IDK..I'm not making sense eitehr.. I pulled an allnighter to try to get back on schedule so my thoughts are blurring together LOL.

[AMS]

http://www.cfnews13.com/Politics/FloridaDecides/2009/1/5/demings_takes_over_as_orange_county_sheriff.html

They'll be a new sheriff in town as of 2pm today.

He was at the press conference when the ME announced that it was Caylee's bones they had found. I hope he is supportive of keeping the same resources on the case.

[Motomom]

Sometimes I wish I could do that, but I cant. From the moment they laid their 1st lie out there and hindred the investigation, which if they faced the facts and didnt lie, hinder an investigation and protect that skank of a daughter of theirs and made Caylee take a backseat instead of being the most important thing, I lost any emotions I had for them. Just because they arent talking now, I cant forget what they had already done and maybe Caylee would have been found alot sooner. You dont ask for immunity when you havent done something wrong or kept information on something that you know was wrong. JMO but I cant stand them.

I know..and it's a very frustrating case. However, I know two families that lost a child this past year, I've seen that pain and I know that the Anthony's are goign through that pain as well. When she was just missing, they held out hope and I agree with everything anyone has said..it's not that my opinion of them from then changed.. just reserveing my opinion now. It's funny because I've said many many many times...usually I see both sides to a story, could probably debate both sides.. I never felt htat way with Casey..never had this much disdain for someone..I always feel some kind of compassion for someone who commits a horrendous crime..BUT I could never feel it for her..never, not once..she makes my stomach crawl.. but GA and CA ..I flip flop alot.. I guess it depends on my mood :closedeyes:

[courtsinsession]

You sure know your political scandals well. It doesn't surpise me that Fox would be the station he would go to. Do you happen to have a degree in political science or something?

Fox has all kinds of disgraced types getting paid to yak and give their useless opinions;

[2Hope4]

Wake up morning crew! I need some people to chat with! :tonguewag:

Remember back in November when it was discussed about three people that knew what happened, but didn't kill Caylee, and they were accessories that needed to come forward with the truth? Does that fit into what we now know? Remember they stated Chloroform was used and had been stolen from someone that had used it on their dog?! I can't remember if it was verified that Chloroform is used to come down off stimulant drugs?!? Anyone else remember this? I believe they said something about George and Cindy not having a clue what lifestyle Cayse was into now.

Anyway, rambling thoughts that I wondered how fit into what we do know, and if that person could have really known what was going on, or was just a troll pulling our leg.

See what insomnia does? :scared: You're all gonna wish I had taken my Rozerem last night!

[Motomom]

Wake up morning crew! I need some people to chat with! :tonguewag:

Remember back in November when it was discussed about three people that knew what happened, but didn't kill Caylee, and they were accessories that needed to come forward with the truth? Does that fit into what we now know? Remember they stated Chloroform was used and had been stolen from someone that had used it on their dog?! I can't remember if it was verified that Chloroform is used to come down off stimulant drugs?!? Anyone else remember this? I believe they said something about George and Cindy not having a clue what lifestyle Cayse was into now.

Anyway, rambling thoughts that I wondered how fit into what we do know, and if that person could have really known what was going on, or was just a troll pulling our leg.

See what insomnia does? :scared: You're all gonna wish I had taken my Rozerem last night!


I remember.. Well the one guy was a vet tch or something wasn't he? how many interviews have they withheld? anyone remember. Though I tend to lean towards a leg puller myself..roserum never put me to sleep but I felt fine and dandy when i woke.

[Januarybaby]

I know..and it's a very frustrating case. However, I know two families that lost a child this past year, I've seen that pain and I know that the Anthony's are goign through that pain as well. When she was just missing, they held out hope and I agree with everything anyone has said..it's not that my opinion of them from then changed.. just reserveing my opinion now. It's funny because I've said many many many times...usually I see both sides to a story, could probably debate both sides.. I never felt htat way with Casey..never had this much disdain for someone..I always feel some kind of compassion for someone who commits a horrendous crime..BUT I could never feel it for her..never, not once..she makes my stomach crawl.. but GA and CA ..I flip flop alot.. I guess it depends on my mood :closedeyes:

I know the situation and feeling of having a 3 yr old murdered and having a family member do it ( cant say much more), but NOT ONCE did we cover up or lie. We put the baby 1st and foremost and the person had to take their lumps. In my eyes there is just no excuse for not sticking up for the child who was defenseless but protecting the adult who did it. Maybe thats why I feel the way I do about them.

[PuffDragon]

I think it was in their best interest to leave it be after the first autopsy, which it isn't even an autopsy. THey could not prove the cause of death, her bones weren't broken, no head trauma ect.. Casey is better off with Dr. G's exam..then say..ohhhhh henry lee.. IMO anyways :)

*Bolding mine

I heard a TH - maybe on NG - say that it was just posturing on the part of the defense. Maybe Jose wants to find some insignificant 'clue' that can be blown into enough smoke and mirrors to confuse at least one juror. I'm hoping that Dr. Reichs and Dr. Spitz have enough ethics to keep that from happening. Although the fact that they are on this 'Dream Team' in the first place wakes me wonder......

[i_pickle]

I think you're meaning hypothetically, but I am worried about them. I fear they are both suicidal and Lee has moved in to be on suicide watch. Perhaps they aren't at the point of having a suicide plan, or exactly in the 'red zone' yet, but I wonder if someone hasn't told Lee to keep a very close eye on them.

If so, that's a huge responsibility to put on someone, and imo, totally not fair to anyone to carry that burden. If a suicide were to happen, the guilt would totally consume. I pray that both grandparents will seek mental help asap, before it is too late. I fear Cindy is blaming herself as it is, and will refuse mental treatment because in her mind, she believes the counselor told her to kick Casey out, and fight for custody of Caylee, rather than perhaps the counselor was guiding her thinking into that direction, but didn't actually tell her. (It's awfully late here, and I hope that makes sense!)

Seeking help NOW might benefit the whole family. Allow the grieving process to begin, as well as helping them to deal with their thoughts surrounding this nightmare.

As much as their actions have upset me, I can't help but to worry about them. Strange to some I'm sure. :unsure:This is o/t but I've been wanting to ask for awhile now. How do you bring the post you're quoting over to another thread? TIA

And FWIW, as out-spoken as I've been about Cindy and her actions, I too can feel great sympathy, empathy, concern, what-ever you want to call it. I've lit candles for Caylee often and when I do, I include prayers for everyone involved.

[Januarybaby]

Wake up morning crew! I need some people to chat with! :tonguewag:



LOL Good morning. Trying to get in in gear but need to see the bottom of that coffee cup first and get both kids off to school.........:w00t:

[desmom]

There is a motion hearing this morning per the court calendar at http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

1/5/2009 0930 Manual - Trial 23 - A Gene Medina Courtroom

Is it for 12/24/2008 Ex Parte Motion to Appoint Special Master filed by JB?

[Motomom]

I know the situation and feeling of having a 3 yr old murdered and having a family member do it ( cant say much more), but NOT ONCE did we cover up or lie. We put the baby 1st and foremost and the person had to take their lumps. In my eyes there is just no excuse for not sticking up for the child who was defenseless but protecting the adult who did it. Maybe thats why I feel the way I do about them.

Maybe.. and I feel the same way about their lies and cover ups.. but this is their daughter. Was it your daughter that murdered a 3 yr old? I know it wasn't your daughter, but was the murderer the mother? That is so.. I mean, mothers shouldn't kill their babies kwim? Obviously nobody should kill, but especially mothers. some bonds are harder to break IMO and some are not as Casey has proven. .. and I'm not defending any of them really, I just feel like talking :biggrin: I don't think I would defend and i know I wouldn't lie or cover up had this happened to one of my own, with the evidence that was presented..heck the lieing alone..but..

[ellegna]

I'm still holdng my opinion on them because they haven't really said anything or spun any more lies..or defended Casey since Caylee was found. Not saying that they won't, but for now I choose to give them the benefit of doubt. They won't be able to keep their mouths shut for much longer if they plan on denying that Casey has done this.

Good morning Mom

I appreciate you giving the A's the benefit of the doubt but IMO Brad Conway is responsible. I got the impression he's a "take charge" type of guy and probably gave the A's specific instructions to lay low and keep quiet. Anything that needs to be addressed or answered, he will, not them.

[SavannahStar]

This is o/t but I've been wanting to ask for awhile now. How do you bring the post you're quoting over to another thread? TIA

And FWIW, as out-spoken as I've been about Cindy and her actions, I too can feel great sympathy, empathy, concern, what-ever you want to call it. I've lit candles for Caylee often and when I do, I include prayers for everyone involved.


Quote then copy and paste.

If the thread is locked you have to copy, paste, and then put quote marks around it.

[SavannahStar]

*Bolding mine

I heard a TH - maybe on NG - say that it was just posturing on the part of the defense. Maybe Jose wants to find some insignificant 'clue' that can be blown into enough smoke and mirrors to confuse at least one juror. I'm hoping that Dr. Reichs and Dr. Spitz have enough ethics to keep that from happening. Although the fact that they are on this 'Dream Team' in the first place wakes me wonder......

I liked impartial's answer to this from yesterday (and since she is an attorney, I tend to listen):

IIRC, the forensic pathologists wanted to have the x-rays, photo's, etc. of the crime scene at the time of the autopsy ... Baez made an emergency motion so that those items would be turned over so the defense autopsy could go forward. The Judge ordered they be turned over within 14 days.

Why the anger over the defense doing their examination of the evidence? It's their job to do so, and it would be malpractice not to.

IMO

[Motomom]

Good morning Mom

I appreciate you giving the A's the benefit of the doubt but IMO Brad Conway is responsible. I got the impression he's a "take charge" type of guy and probably gave the A's specific instructions to lay low and keep quiet. Anything that needs to be addressed or answered, he will, not them.

Oh I'm surprised anyone was able to get them to be quiet in all honesty.. I guess they only had to look at all the people running fromt eh case to decide to actually LISTEN to someone.. but my thoughts are that if they are able to get themselves under control, not having the media in their face, or not being in frotn of it by chose ..they'll have more time to think and realize their foolishness. Maybe the truth will start sinking in..at least that's what Im hoping for because if it doesn't, they will never be able to heal.

[Januarybaby]

Maybe.. and I feel the same way about their lies and cover ups.. but this is their daughter. Was it your daughter that murdered a 3 yr old? I know it wasn't your daughter, but was the murderer the mother? That is so.. I mean, mothers shouldn't kill their babies kwim? Obviously nobody should kill, but especially mothers. some bonds are harder to break IMO and some are not as Casey has proven. .. and I'm not defending any of them really, I just feel like talking :biggrin: I don't think I would defend and i know I wouldn't lie or cover up had this happened to one of my own, with the evidence that was presented..heck the lieing alone..but..


Wish I could explain but I cant, only way I could is by sending a personal message.

[i_pickle]

Quote then copy and paste.

If the thread is locked you have to copy, paste, and then put quote marks around it.Thanks! That's much easier than I thought. :biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

Thanks! That's much easier than I thought. :biggrin:


You're welcome!

[Motomom]

Wish I could explain but I cant, only way I could is by sending a personal message.

If you feel like shareing, I'd like to hear, my pm is always oopen

[desmom]

Re: Lee moving home.

Unemployment rates are breaking 15 year old records across the country. Is it possible Lee's job was cut and that is why he moved home?

jmo

[VII]

Does anyone here remember "back in the early discussions" on this case ....
Posters were discussing the party crowd Casey hanging out w/using some ancient/OLD anasthetic during parties ...
One poster saw a bottle of it in a pic in the background from one of the parties??

I canNOT for the LIFE of me recall what drug that was...
HELP!!
and
TIA :cool:

[Januarybaby]

Motomom, sent you one :biggrin:

[Senses]

Could it have been a bottle of Absinthe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe




Does anyone here remember "back in the early discussions" on this case ....
Posters were discussing the party crowd Casey hanging out w/using some ancient/OLD anasthetic during parties ...
One poster saw a bottle of it in a pic in the background from one of the parties??

I canNOT for the LIFE of me recall what drug that was...
HELP!!
and
TIA :cool:

[Motomom]

Does anyone here remember "back in the early discussions" on this case ....
Posters were discussing the party crowd Casey hanging out w/using some ancient/OLD anasthetic during parties ...
One poster saw a bottle of it in a pic in the background from one of the parties??

I canNOT for the LIFE of me recall what drug that was...
HELP!!
and
TIA :cool:

Are you talking about Absinthe?

eta I didn't realize sense posted the same thing.. I'm pretty sure this is what you are talking about though. the real stuff is illegal in the US i believe.

[VII]

Could it have been a bottle of Absinthe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe


THANK YOU!!!!!!!!!!
Yes, that is IT!!

You don't know how much you've saved my brain today :biggrin:

[PuffDragon]

Families are NEVER ready to bury a loved one, let alone a child. We know that they are waiting (thanks to the link but I'm still wondering) for the second autopsy to be "wrapped up".. If it is wrapped up, there is NO reason not to lay her to rest, or have her cremated, whichever they chose. Families don't typically wait until they are ready I guess is what I'm trying to say..

I kind of see what you are saying about GA and I did think she must be Daddy's girl and I tend to think that CA will be much colder in regards to Casey..but you're right, GA probably won't. But you know he was around alot, per the emails, he only worked half the time..I'm sure there are alot of would/could/should haves..but it's too late for that now. IDK..I'm not making sense eitehr.. I pulled an allnighter to try to get back on schedule so my thoughts are blurring together LOL.

*Bolding mine

Yeah, I'm sorry, you're right, I probably didn't say that the way I meant it. Maybe I feel like the circumstances of this case have changed the way people would normally react. They aren't just facing a burial. They have to come to terms with the fact that everything they've been believing, not believing, and averring for all these months has gone up in smoke and they have to start again with a completely new belief and no more excuse for blinders. I guess I think they have to really believe it's Caylee there before they can bring themselves to put her in the ground, which isn't going to be so easy after all the denials.

[Januarybaby]

2hope4, sent you one too. Had to snip for space tho :)

[Motomom]

*Bolding mine

Yeah, I'm sorry, you're right, I probably didn't say that the way I meant it. Maybe I feel like the circumstances of this case have changed the way people would normally react. They aren't just facing a burial. They have to come to terms with the fact that everything they've been believing, not believing, and averring for all these months has gone up in smoke and they have to start again with a completely new belief and no more excuse for blinders. I guess I think they have to really believe it's Caylee there before they can bring themselves to put her in the ground, which isn't going to be so easy after all the denials.

Oh I agree with you there, the reality has to hit. Alot of people need to see the body too and sadly that's not possible. I think it would always way on me that I didn't see her kwim?

[bchand]

He was at the press conference when the ME announced that it was Caylee's bones they had found. I hope he is supportive of keeping the same resources on the case.

Wow, I just watched him being interviewed on Fox News

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/livemornings.html

I didn't realize that his wife is Orlando's Police Chief !

[SavannahStar]

Oh I agree with you there, the reality has to hit. Alot of people need to see the body too and sadly that's not possible. I think it would always way on me that I didn't see her kwim?


I think reality has set in for them, I really do. Judging from George's comments the other day, and Cindy's silence. I don't think the delay in the burial has to do with anything other than waiting on the second "autopsy" (which as we know is just an examination, not a true autopsy).

[NYGalPal]

Re: Lee moving home.

Unemployment rates are breaking 15 year old records across the country. Is it possible Lee's job was cut and that is why he moved home?

jmo

Perhaps, plus add on he has to pay for a lawyer. Anyone know why Cindy hasn't gone back to work?

[PuffDragon]

<snipped to address>
but GA and CA ..I flip flop alot.. I guess it depends on my mood :closedeyes:

I don't flip flop at all. I do not in any way like the way Cindy has acted or presented herself. I can't excuse the way she has behaved by saying she's dealing with the most major crisis of her life. I reserved judgment for the first day or so, even excused her, but after that she needed to take herself in hand and do what was best for the case. She didn't do that so I have a lot of disgust for her. I also have a lot of disgust for George because he let her lead him and define his behavior and his script and Casey alike, although I kept feeling he was hating doing it. They did not behave with dignity. I dislike them intensely for that.

But I still have a lot of compassion for what they have to go through now. I don't see that as flip-flopping. Their situation is horrible and I don't want to see them self-destruct, even while I deeply dislike the people they have shown us that they are.

[VII]

PUFF THE MAGIC Drag-on
LIVED BY THE seeeeaaaa
and frolicked in the ....

one of my fave songs :thumbsup:

I just had to say that.
That song is stuck in my head :blink:

__________________
A poster was suggesting we just look at police evidence and toss OUT any comments/statements from the A's during the last 6 months as their comments were repeats of Casey's lies.

So,
back to what Casey and her "party crowd" were ~into~ ...

SpecialK
Absinthe
alcohol
marijuana
Xanex

hmmmmmm

Family members and old friends "Casey changed"
Schizophrenia onset early 20's, particularly under stress
stress for Casey = ~Motherhood~ and conflict w/Cindy
repeated use of the above ....
genetic predisposition for Schizophrenia (assumed - on my part)

*SNAP*
but that is NOT an excuse

thoughts?

[really3997]

I would like to also give the G & C and Lee the benefit of the doubt however had George not told channel 35 that they will speak once Caylee funeral has passed leaves me to believe they will start the drama all over again. Also I heard on the morning news that the detective with the video will have either (can't remember was getting ready) a press conference or interview regarding what he knows today. I believe Lee has moved back home not Mallory (but she is not out of the picture) so they can get their stories straight and nothing more. I am often reminded of the line in the wizard of oz "Pay no mind to man behind the curtain" JMO

[Januarybaby]

I don't flip flop at all. I do not in any way like the way Cindy has acted or presented herself. I can't excuse the way she has behaved by saying she's dealing with the most major crisis of her life. I reserved judgment for the first day or so, even excused her, but after that she needed to take herself in hand and do what was best for the case. She didn't do that so I have a lot of disgust for her. I also have a lot of disgust for George because he let her lead him and define his behavior and his script and Casey alike, although I kept feeling he was hating doing it. They did not behave with dignity. I dislike them intensely for that.

But I still have a lot of compassion for what they have to go through now. I don't see that as flip-flopping. Their situation is horrible and I don't want to see them self-destruct, even while I deeply dislike the people they have shown us that they are.


Thank you for explaining how I feel too.:sad:

[AMS]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators
Monday, January 5, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

[NYGalPal]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators
Monday, January 5, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

Thanks for the link. Thought they didn't know each other? Now they are doing a press conference together? :confused:

[VII]

If JB DID send Hoover and Dcasey out to the body disposal area...
only ONE word can sum that up

S T O O P I D :glare:

[bchand]

If JB DID send Hoover and Dcasey out to the body disposal area...
only ONE word can sum that up

S T O O P I D :glare:

Well now that you put it that way...... maybe he did.

[really3997]

Thanks for the link. Thought they didn't know each other? Now they are doing a press conference together? :confused:

Instead of sightings we get news conference to confuse things..I have a question. Remember the conference that Dominick had with the Anthony's were Cindy was distraught how close to that was them visiting the site area.

[Texas48]

Well puff, I agree with you about hoping they came to their senses.. but I read where George said he wanted to see Casey..go figure. I mean, I have kids, I get that she is their child, but IDK..I'm sure it's tough, can't imagine. As to the funeral..well IMO it needs to be done sooner rather than later..and I think I'd be demanding that these experts that are doing this second examination get on it if they haven't already. That baby lied out in the elements for months as it is.. she needs to just be put to rest.. I don't know why it's bothering me so much but it is. Good morning ALL..Have not been on the board for some time...just too darn busy w/all the holidays and the kids and grandchildren and enjoyed every second...Motomom..ITA w/your post. The EXPERTS have had more than enough time for their examinations and I for one do not understand WHY the wait but that is not a choice I have to make ...THANK GOD! My heart breaks for this family even though I have been a fan of any of the Anthonys..and it is only because of their actions from the start of this horrific case. Don't feel as you are alone in the way you feel about Caylee..It bothers so many of us. This case has taken a toll on everyone that has followed along from the get go. IMO as is yours....Caylee deserves to be laid to rest. A ROSE for all.

[NYGalPal]

Instead of sightings we get news conference to confuse things..I have a question. Remember the conference that Dominick had with the Anthony's were Cindy was distraught how close to that was them visiting the site area.

A giant waste of time it sounds like.

I don't remember that particular pc. Do you have a link? If not I can try and google for it.

[bchand]

Thanks for the link. Thought they didn't know each other? Now they are doing a press conference together? :confused:

Depends on what day it is NYGalPal. I remember it this way:

Dominic Casey was working for Jose Baez - his contract expired and he went to work for the Anthonys.

HE said that Hoover knocked on the Anthony's door and said he would help them with the protesters "free of charge" so they let him get involved.

In one article (which I can't find), D. Casey said he had been trying to get in touch with Hoover and couldn't.

None of them have any credibility whatsoever.

[VII]

Depends on what day it is NYGalPal. I remember it this way:

Dominic Casey was working for Jose Baez - his contract expired and he went to work for the Anthonys.

HE said that Hoover knocked on the Anthony's door and said he would help them with the protesters "free of charge" so they let him get involved.

In one article (which I can't find), D. Casey said he had been trying to get in touch with Hoover and couldn't.

None of them have any credibility whatsoever.


and it doesn't take EINstein to be a PI ...
Have known some wannabe's as well as bounty hunters ....

they, too, seem
S T O O P I D

and for SURE
liars

[NYGalPal]

Depends on what day it is NYGalPal. I remember it this way:

Dominic Casey was working for Jose Baez - his contract expired and he went to work for the Anthonys.

HE said that Hoover knocked on the Anthony's door and said he would help them with the protesters "free of charge" so they let him get involved.

In one article (which I can't find), D. Casey said he had been trying to get in touch with Hoover and couldn't.

None of them have any credibility whatsoever.

Now I remember that. I read that on the Saturdy thread and the Fox News site. If he couldn't reach Hoover. How did they plan this pc?

You are right, no cred.

[NYGalPal]

and it doesn't take EINstein to be a PI ...
Have known some wannabe's as well as bounty hunters ....

they, too, seem
S T O O P I D

and for SURE
liars

Correct and funny.

:lol:

[Texas48]

First G&C have to acknowledge their princess actually did something wrong first. They are trying to cover up for her instead of letting her take her lumps for killing that poor baby. He probably wants to see her to make sure all cover up stories match. IMO, Caylee is coming in second to Casey......sad isnt it?

The rest of us would want to shake our kids til the truth flew out of her mouth, I know I would. Very true January and I have to wounder if KC is or will REFUSE a jail visit from George or Cindy or even Lee. I really do not know how I would handle it IF I was in their situation....IF I was able to see/speak to KC (IF this was my child) I would only say "I still love you..but...I know YOU killed this baby" then I would just walk off not allowing her to speak one single word. It would leave her with something to think about...leave her with not being able to make up stories/lies and avoid the truth. Leave her w/nothing. JMO

[shelbar53]

Depends on what day it is NYGalPal. I remember it this way:

Dominic Casey was working for Jose Baez - his contract expired and he went to work for the Anthonys.

HE said that Hoover knocked on the Anthony's door and said he would help them with the protesters "free of charge" so they let him get involved.

In one article (which I can't find), D. Casey said he had been trying to get in touch with Hoover and couldn't.

None of them have any credibility whatsoever.

morning all.
I remember that article, dominic said he called hoover 40 times and he never called him back. That made me wonder, if dominic was innocent then why was he trying so hard to get in touch withhoover

[PuffDragon]

Could it have been a bottle of Absinthe?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

That's how I remember it, Senses.

[PuffDragon]

Are you talking about Absinthe?

eta I didn't realize sense posted the same thing.. I'm pretty sure this is what you are talking about though. the real stuff is illegal in the US i believe.
No, not any more MM. The stuff that made it poisonous was removed and it can be sold now. I've never tasted it but I understand it's vile.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators
http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

[Texas48]

Sometimes I wish I could do that, but I cant. From the moment they laid their 1st lie out there and hindred the investigation, which if they faced the facts and didnt lie, hinder an investigation and protect that skank of a daughter of theirs and made Caylee take a backseat instead of being the most important thing, I lost any emotions I had for them. Just because they arent talking now, I cant forget what they had already done and maybe Caylee would have been found alot sooner. You dont ask for immunity when you havent done something wrong or kept information on something that you know was wrong. JMO but I cant stand them.

The only reason they havent opened their mouths again is because the lawyer probably told them to shut up now, because they are in enough trouble. Another good post January....you seem to be able to sum it up as far as I am concerned. I will ALWAYS have the knowledge this family HINDERED LE/FBI in the search for Caylee. Caylee SHOULD have been their first concern and she was not. It is just MO this family knew in their hearts/minds that Caylee was dead and they knew KC killed her. I can never be convinced other wise. JMO as always.

[Motomom]

morning all.
I remember that article, dominic said he called hoover 40 times and he never called him back. That made me wonder, if dominic was innocent then why was he trying so hard to get in touch withhoover

It does make you wonder, then wasn't it after that that hoover claimed he taped over it? I dont' think CA and GA though, could have known that she was there, and left her body to rot kwim? So it would have had to come from Casey or Baez..or or maybe Lee? We'll see what comes of it.. like someone said now we have pcs instead of sightings. Anyone know what time the pc is scheduled for? Or the hearing today, is there a link does anyone know?

[PuffDragon]

Oh I agree with you there, the reality has to hit. Alot of people need to see the body too and sadly that's not possible. I think it would always way on me that I didn't see her kwim?

Very true. Maybe somewhere buried in the back of their minds is a tiny little voice still saying "Maybe they made a mistake and it's really not Caylee". Maybe they'll be hearing that little voice for a very long time. Sad.

[shelbar53]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8181718&version=3&locale=E

"I would be interested to talking with James Hoover myself," Casey said. "I have over 40 phone calls in to him and he has not returned my phone calls."

[SavannahStar]

Very true January and I have to wounder if KC is or will REFUSE a jail visit from George or Cindy or even Lee. I really do not know how I would handle it IF I was in their situation....IF I was able to see/speak to KC (IF this was my child) I would only say "I still love you..but...I know YOU killed this baby" then I would just walk off not allowing her to speak one single word. It would leave her with something to think about...leave her with not being able to make up stories/lies and avoid the truth. Leave her w/nothing. JMO

I'm not sure what I would say to her but I do believe they are between a rock and a hard place. Whatever is said will be videotaped and probably broadcast the next night on Nancy Grace. I think they have some very private, very personal pain right now that they wish to have remain private and personal. I think Casey would refuse any visits anyway.

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe.. and I feel the same way about their lies and cover ups.. but this is their daughter. Was it your daughter that murdered a 3 yr old? I know it wasn't your daughter, but was the murderer the mother? That is so.. I mean, mothers shouldn't kill their babies kwim? Obviously nobody should kill, but especially mothers. some bonds are harder to break IMO and some are not as Casey has proven. .. and I'm not defending any of them really, I just feel like talking :biggrin: I don't think I would defend and i know I wouldn't lie or cover up had this happened to one of my own, with the evidence that was presented..heck the lieing alone..but..


Good morning....

I feel as you do...I would NOT cover up such a horrific crime...No way, No how....IF, it was proven to have been an accident...I would be by their side, but accidents that take childrens lives are even hard to forgive...BUT, I still feel as though this was NO accident......

Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked....no one would allow themselves to be charged with "murder one" if it was an accident.....Casey doesn't want to be charged at all in anything, which leads me to believe this was deliberate....

Any grieving mother would not have acted like she did...And IF this was an accident, she would have been grieving, even if she didn't want it found out....Her behavior after the fact speaks loud and clear in my books......JMO

[SandyO]

I'm not sure what I would say to her but I do believe they are between a rock and a hard place. Whatever is said will be videotaped and probably broadcast the next night on Nancy Grace. I think they have some very private, very personal pain right now that they wish to have remain private and personal. I think Casey would refuse any visits anyway.

I would think it would be very hard for Casey to "face" them, even through a video-screen and telephone now. But this is Casey. Listening/watching her being questioned by the detectives on NG last night reminded me how easy it is for Casey to just keep pounding with her lies. It doesn't matter to her when she is exposed, she just continues on.

[SavannahStar]

Very true. Maybe somewhere buried in the back of their minds is a tiny little voice still saying "Maybe they made a mistake and it's really not Caylee". Maybe they'll be hearing that little voice for a very long time. Sad.

Somehow I don't think so. I believe they know it was Caylee. I remember so long ago there were so many predictions that once the body was found and DNA showed it was Caylee, that George and Cindy would refuse to believe it and say 'DNA lies.' So far we haven't heard that, in fact, just the opposite from George's statement.

So what can they say now? Everyone wanted them to just shut up and stay off TV and take a low profile, and now they have done that. (At least temporarily. :biggrin:)

[SavannahStar]

I would think it would be very hard for Casey to "face" them, even through a video-screen and telephone now. But this is Casey. Listening/watching her being questioned by the detectives on NG last night reminded me how easy it is for Casey to just keep pounding with her lies. It doesn't matter to her when she is exposed, she just continues on.


I know! Weird!!! Her lies never fail to amaze me. They are so blatant, and like you say, even when she is exposed she continues. UNbelievable.

[Barbara fl.]

Very true January and I have to wounder if KC is or will REFUSE a jail visit from George or Cindy or even Lee. I really do not know how I would handle it IF I was in their situation....IF I was able to see/speak to KC (IF this was my child) I would only say "I still love you..but...I know YOU killed this baby" then I would just walk off not allowing her to speak one single word. It would leave her with something to think about...leave her with not being able to make up stories/lies and avoid the truth. Leave her w/nothing. JMO


Very well put...and I think I would have done that also......Don't give her a chance say another lie....

[shelbar53]

yes I would agree with you, her behavior and actions after the fact speak very loud. she went and partied and bugged everyone else to go and party. I think if she was depressed about the loss of her daughter she would have layed in bed all day and not be in the mood to cook or shop or party or go to a video store...she could of said, I dont feel good im coming down with the flu to hide why she was "not up to par", but she didnt have to because she wasnt depressed.

[VII]

crapola ...
NOW that the Holiday's have my DAYS messed UP ...
gotta get back to the REAL world of W O R K.

[Neffy]

Very true January and I have to wounder if KC is or will REFUSE a jail visit from George or Cindy or even Lee. I really do not know how I would handle it IF I was in their situation....IF I was able to see/speak to KC (IF this was my child) I would only say "I still love you..but...I know YOU killed this baby" then I would just walk off not allowing her to speak one single word. It would leave her with something to think about...leave her with not being able to make up stories/lies and avoid the truth. Leave her w/nothing. JMO

Casey has nothing more to say. No more talking in codes & no more wild goose chases of where to look. The jig is up. Casey knows this. IMO it is Casey who is not allowing visitors.

[Leanne Weich]

Does anyone know if Geraldo's show yesterday is available anywhere online and, if so, where I might find it. If not, can someone please give me a brief rundown on what was discussed. Yesterday's threads are so long and I just don't have the time to read through them to try to find out what happened. Thanks.

[Texas48]

I know the situation and feeling of having a 3 yr old murdered and having a family member do it ( cant say much more), but NOT ONCE did we cover up or lie. We put the baby 1st and foremost and the person had to take their lumps. In my eyes there is just no excuse for not sticking up for the child who was defenseless but protecting the adult who did it. Maybe thats why I feel the way I do about them. I am so sorry for your pain. By the Grace of God I have not been in a situation as you and many others have and my hearts hurts for anyone that has had to go through this or loosing a child to natural causes. I give my thanks to God everyday for my children/grandchildren. But I still feel the same way as you do about how this family's actions and the person responsible for this baby's death and for this person throwing this precious baby out like nothing more than a bag of trash. This family has treated KC like a fragile treasure that will certainly break if they stand up to her or have enough nerve to call her a liar. JMO

[Motomom]

Good morning....

I feel as you do...I would NOT cover up such a horrific crime...No way, No how....IF, it was proven to have been an accident...I would be by their side, but accidents that take childrens lives are even hard to forgive...BUT, I still feel as though this was NO accident......

Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked....no one would allow themselves to be charged with "murder one" if it was an accident.....Casey doesn't want to be charged at all in anything, which leads me to believe this was deliberate....

Any grieving mother would not have acted like she did...And IF this was an accident, she would have been grieving, even if she didn't want it found out....Her behavior after the fact speaks loud and clear in my books......JMO

I agree Barbara.. loud and clear. It wasn't an accident IMO.. and if it was, and she hid the body out of fear, she wouldn't have carried on the way she did. Could there be something wrong with her mentally?? Not as an excuse and anyone can tell she isn't right simply because she carried this on for so long, but I can't seem to see anything "medical" that would cause her to snap even. A personality disorder, that is not on the same level as a schizophrenic right? Because you can't make a sociopath pyschopath better. I just keep going back and back and back to why in the world she would have done this..how.. I just can't get it. I'm not suppose to I know but still..

[Barbara fl.]

I would think it would be very hard for Casey to "face" them, even through a video-screen and telephone now. But this is Casey. Listening/watching her being questioned by the detectives on NG last night reminded me how easy it is for Casey to just keep pounding with her lies. It doesn't matter to her when she is exposed, she just continues on.


Your right...she just keeps talking and not answering some of the questions put to her....she double talks...this kind of talking was practiced....she had it all lined out what she was going to say.....

The average person would have cracked....but not her....she just went on to another and another lie......it's incredable how she has mastered lying so much....

She is a perfect example of a sociopath....however "sociopaths" are NOT considered insane...she knew what she was doing and she has the confidence that her lies will set her free.....She is in for a big surprise...

[marshmallow]

It does make you wonder, then wasn't it after that that hoover claimed he taped over it? I dont' think CA and GA though, could have known that she was there, and left her body to rot kwim? So it would have had to come from Casey or Baez..or or maybe Lee? We'll see what comes of it.. like someone said now we have pcs instead of sightings. Anyone know what time the pc is scheduled for? Or the hearing today, is there a link does anyone know?



I agree with the part I bolded. I agree with other parts but mainly with the part I bolded. I still firmly believe that Cindy and George loved Caylee deeply and wholeheartedly. I also believe they would never have interferred with the investigation into her disappearance if they had truely thought she was alive. If they really felt she was alive they'd have been all over the airwaves begging and pleading, crying and screaming... but I think that they knew she was gone so they circled the wagons for Casey.

I'm not going to bicker out the "they were in denial" part or whether or not they had that 1% of hope, but I do think they'd have moved heaven and earth and Casey be damned if they really felt there was any chance they could have found Caylee alive.

[PuffDragon]

PUFF THE MAGIC Drag-on
LIVED BY THE seeeeaaaa
and frolicked in the ....

one of my fave songs :thumbsup:

I just had to say that.
That song is stuck in my head :blink:
<snipped for space>


Yep, that's me. Sorry it's stuck, but it's a gooood song.

As for the rest of your post..... nah. I think the 'crowd' was a rowdy and hard partying but reasonably responsible bunch. Just a normal crowd. And why not, they went to school and had jobs and not much for responsibilities, the only time in their lives they could have that kind of freedom. They would most likely be outgrowing a lot of that soon. Casey could have been in a lot worse company.

I don't think she 'changed' the way her friends and family are saying. I think they just didn't know the real Casey. She was very good at making herself into whomever the other person wanted her to be, for motives of her own. Notice that she kept the different groups in her life separate from each other. Letting them compare notes would have been disastrous to her facade.

And once again, although we have no official clinical diagnosis, I stand by my belief that Casey is a sociopath (my apologies to everyone who has listened to me say this time and time again), her behavior is so completely sociopathic that I can't see her in any other way. This in no way excuses her. She did what she did of her own free will. But she behaves that way because of how she thinks, it has worked for her all her life, most likely, and she expects it to keep working. She is deluded. Her adjustment to prison should be interesting.

[PuffDragon]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators
Monday, January 5, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

I'm holding my breath to hear what they have to say. Not.

[Texas48]

Depends on what day it is NYGalPal. I remember it this way:

Dominic Casey was working for Jose Baez - his contract expired and he went to work for the Anthonys.

HE said that Hoover knocked on the Anthony's door and said he would help them with the protesters "free of charge" so they let him get involved.

In one article (which I can't find), D. Casey said he had been trying to get in touch with Hoover and couldn't.

None of them have any credibility whatsoever. Well said bchand.

[daHawg]

I wonder if this little trip by the PI's on the 15th had anything to do with Nejames quitting so suddenly on the 20th? Maybe, maybe not but the timing to me is quite interesting.:glare:

[Barbara fl.]

I agree Barbara.. loud and clear. It wasn't an accident IMO.. and if it was, and she hid the body out of fear, she wouldn't have carried on the way she did. Could there be something wrong with her mentally?? Not as an excuse and anyone can tell she isn't right simply because she carried this on for so long, but I can't seem to see anything "medical" that would cause her to snap even. A personality disorder, that is not on the same level as a schizophrenic right? Because you can't make a sociopath pyschopath better. I just keep going back and back and back to why in the world she would have done this..how.. I just can't get it. I'm not suppose to I know but still..


It is exactly the type of behavior of a sociopath....I don't know how to cut and paste it here or I would, but if you look up sociopaths, you can see it fits Casey to a tee...They know just how to be conning and disassociate themselves from anything that stands in their way...But this behavior is not considered a mental illness because they know at all times what they are doing is wrong....it's not even like it's uncontrolable..they make these choices being fully aware that it's wrong.....Scott Peterson was also a perfect example....no one would have believed this of him...he too thought that his personality was going to win him over and would never be considered a suspect.....


This sort of behavior had to be noticed thru the years but was probably put off as being part of growing up and that she was just taking longer....Some people tend to overlook some behavior and just hope it will go away...sometimes it does...and other times it can turn to this.....sad...very sad...

[barskin&co.]

Press Conference Expected From Anthonys' Private Investigators
Monday, January 5, 2009

http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."

[SavannahStar]

I agree with you Savannah, no matter what the Anthony's do it is alway's wrong in some people's minds.

JMO

It will always be too little, too late. No matter though, their lives are over for all intents and purposes. What the public thinks of them should be, and probably is, the very least of their concerns.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with the part I bolded. I agree with other parts but mainly with the part I bolded. I still firmly believe that Cindy and George loved Caylee deeply and wholeheartedly. I also believe they would never have interferred with the investigation into her disappearance if they had truely thought she was alive. If they really felt she was alive they'd have been all over the airwaves begging and pleading, crying and screaming... but I think that they knew she was gone so they circled the wagons for Casey.

I'm not going to bicker out the "they were in denial" part or whether or not they had that 1% of hope, but I do think they'd have moved heaven and earth and Casey be damned if they really felt there was any chance they could have found Caylee alive.


I believe that also....they knew from almost the onset of this whole ordeal...and they chose to then protect Casey....

[Texas48]

I'm not sure what I would say to her but I do believe they are between a rock and a hard place. Whatever is said will be videotaped and probably broadcast the next night on Nancy Grace. I think they have some very private, very personal pain right now that they wish to have remain private and personal. I think Casey would refuse any visits anyway.
You are correct SS..I forgot about the jail vists being taped. I do agree that IMO KC would refuse the visits.

[SavannahStar]

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."


Whoa! Happy Birthday! :thumbsup:

[Motomom]

Yep, that's me. Sorry it's stuck, but it's a gooood song.

As for the rest of your post..... nah. I think the 'crowd' was a rowdy and hard partying but reasonably responsible bunch. Just a normal crowd. And why not, they went to school and had jobs and not much for responsibilities, the only time in their lives they could have that kind of freedom. They would most likely be outgrowing a lot of that soon. Casey could have been in a lot worse company.

I don't think she 'changed' the way her friends and family are saying. I think they just didn't know the real Casey. She was very good at making herself into whomever the other person wanted her to be, for motives of her own. Notice that she kept the different groups in her life separate from each other. Letting them compare notes would have been disastrous to her facade.

And once again, although we have no official clinical diagnosis, I stand by my belief that Casey is a sociopath (my apologies to everyone who has listened to me say this time and time again), her behavior is so completely sociopathic that I can't see her in any other way. This in no way excuses her. She did what she did of her own free will. But she behaves that way because of how she thinks, it has worked for her all her life, most likely, and she expects it to keep working. She is deluded. Her adjustment to prison should be interesting.


good post. I thought that early on other friends had stepped forward and claimed she was a liar though? Anyone remember that? Remember how her parents or mother didn't like certain races. I had the impression she was a known liar, from early on.

[NYGalPal]

I agree with you Savannah, no matter what the Anthony's do it is alway's wrong in some people's minds.

JMO

Covering up for Casey is not only a crime, it is wrong. That is what everyone is supposed to know, not excuse their behavior.

imo

[NYGalPal]

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."

Happy Birthday, Barskin!

:thumbsup:

[barskin&co.]

It is exactly the type of behavior of a sociopath....I don't know how to cut and paste it here or I would, but if you look up sociopaths, you can see it fits Casey to a tee...They know just how to be conning and disassociate themselves from anything that stands in their way...But this behavior is not considered a mental illness because they know at all times what they are doing is wrong....it's not even like it's uncontrolable..they make these choices being fully aware that it's wrong.....Scott Peterson was also a perfect example....no one would have believed this of him...he too thought that his personality was going to win him over and would never be considered a suspect.....


This sort of behavior had to be noticed thru the years but was probably put off as being part of growing up and that she was just taking longer....Some people tend to overlook some behavior and just hope it will go away...sometimes it does...and other times it can turn to this.....sad...very sad...

Dr. Rober Hare's Symptoms of a Psychopath:

Interpersonal traits

• Glib and superficial
• Egocentric and grandiose
• Lack of remorse or guilt
• Lack of empathy
• Deceitful and manipulative
• Shallow emotions

Antisocial lifestyle

• Impulsive
• Poor behavior controls
• Need for excitement
• Lack of responsibility
• Early behavior problems
• Adult antisocial behavior
• The complete picture


http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/key_symptoms_sociopath.html

[barskin&co.]

Happy Birthday, Barskin!

:thumbsup:

Oh...but how did you know??? :w00t:

[Neffy]

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."

Happy "39th"!

:beer:

(I know it's a little early but best I can do)

[bchand]

I wonder if this little trip by the PI's on the 15th had anything to do with Nejames quitting so suddenly on the 20th? Maybe, maybe not but the timing to me is quite interesting.:glare:

Aha !!! Good thinking daHawg.

[destiny1]

I think you're meaning hypothetically, but I am worried about them. I fear they are both suicidal and Lee has moved in to be on suicide watch. Perhaps they aren't at the point of having a suicide plan, or exactly in the 'red zone' yet, but I wonder if someone hasn't told Lee to keep a very close eye on them.

If so, that's a huge responsibility to put on someone, and imo, totally not fair to anyone to carry that burden. If a suicide were to happen, the guilt would totally consume. I pray that both grandparents will seek mental help asap, before it is too late. I fear Cindy is blaming herself as it is, and will refuse mental treatment because in her mind, she believes the counselor told her to kick Casey out, and fight for custody of Caylee, rather than perhaps the counselor was guiding her thinking into that direction, but didn't actually tell her. (It's awfully late here, and I hope that makes sense!)

Seeking help NOW might benefit the whole family. Allow the grieving process to begin, as well as helping them to deal with their thoughts surrounding this nightmare.

As much as their actions have upset me, I can't help but to worry about them. Strange to some I'm sure. :unsure:

Good Morning to everyone.

This is how I feel about their situations as well.

Nobody deserves a caseydevil! Nobody.

[Regina.Lampert]

Casey has nothing more to say. No more talking in codes & no more wild goose chases of where to look. The jig is up. Casey knows this. IMO it is Casey who is not allowing visitors.

I agree, the little coward is unable to face george and cynthia now. But, I'm not so sure the jig is totally up yet. At this point in time I believe they are still pushing the kidnapping by the nanny hogwash, but that may morph into something else, once they actually see all the evidence the prosecution has on the odious creature.

If they can concoct an elaborate fairytale for the jury, perhaps cynthia and george will get right back on the casey is innocent bandwagon. Afterall, their concern has always been casey, not Caylee in my opinion.

[PuffDragon]

<Snipped for space>

None of them have any credibility whatsoever.

That's what makes this all so hard. There's nothing but lies, half-truths, conjecture and spin from anybody even remotely (can you say Lenny P?) in the know. It's so amazing that the whole bunch of them do it (I'm reserving judgment on Brad Conway and Lee's lawyer - forget his name, they seem to be keeping a relatively low profile here so far) as soon as they become part of the club. We are pretty sure about LE but they aren't talking much, as it should be. So what do we hang our hats on to try to understand what is going on?

What we absolutely do know:
Caylee is dead
All the circumstantial evidence points straight at her mother.

The rest is bean soup. (A lot of hot air.......)

[bchand]

Oh...but how did you know??? :w00t:

ROFLMAO ! Happy Birthday

[trich]

Covering up for Casey is not only a crime, it is wrong. That is what everyone is supposed to know, not excuse their behavior.

imo


Exactly!

I am tired of people making excuses for others bad behavior.
That is why society is so messed up today...excuses , excuses.
and no one taking responsiblity for their actions.

[SavannahStar]

I agree, the little coward is unable to face george and cynthia now. But, I'm not so sure the jig is totally up yet. At this point in time I believe they are still pushing the kidnapping by the nanny hogwash, but that may morph into something else, once they actually see all the evidence the prosecution has on the odious creature.

If they can concoct an elaborate fairytale for the jury, perhaps cynthia and george will get right back on the casey is innocent bandwagon. Afterall, their concern has always been casey, not Caylee in my opinion.



Somehow I can't believe they will push the Zanny the Nanny kidnapping story at trial. Who in the world would be their witnesses? No one at all has any knowledge whatsoever of this nanny. And I doubt they will put Casey on the stand. It will be interesting to me to see how they handle all this, but IMO the Zanny story is out.

[daHawg]

Aha !!! Good thinking daHawg.
Also the 21st was the day of the interview with George and Cindy where she looked totally out of it. :glare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk

[destiny1]

I agree, the little coward is unable to face george and cynthia now. But, I'm not so sure the jig is totally up yet. At this point in time I believe they are still pushing the kidnapping by the nanny hogwash, but that may morph into something else, once they actually see all the evidence the prosecution has on the odious creature.

If they can concoct an elaborate fairytale for the jury, perhaps cynthia and george will get right back on the casey is innocent bandwagon. Afterall, their concern has always been casey, not Caylee in my opinion.



I believe that cindy is going to flip flop a few times depending on what is being presented at trial. Now whether or not the family will have the good taste as to not go in front of any more cameras is your guess.

[Barbara fl.]

Dr. Rober Hare's Symptoms of a Psychopath:

Interpersonal traits

• Glib and superficial
• Egocentric and grandiose
• Lack of remorse or guilt
• Lack of empathy
• Deceitful and manipulative
• Shallow emotions

Antisocial lifestyle

• Impulsive
• Poor behavior controls
• Need for excitement
• Lack of responsibility
• Early behavior problems
• Adult antisocial behavior
• The complete picture


http://www.lovefraud.com/01_whatsaSociopath/key_symptoms_sociopath.html


Thanks Barskin and Happy Birthday....

[JHP]

I agree, the little coward is unable to face george and cynthia now. But, I'm not so sure the jig is totally up yet. At this point in time I believe they are still pushing the kidnapping by the nanny hogwash, but that may morph into something else, once they actually see all the evidence the prosecution has on the odious creature.

If they can concoct an elaborate fairytale for the jury, perhaps cynthia and george will get right back on the casey is innocent bandwagon. Afterall, their concern has always been casey, not Caylee in my opinion.




That to me is what makes it so sick is although Caylee is their granddaughter. Casey is THEIRS.
JMO

[marshmallow]

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."

if I add the ...and subtract the....and multiply by....

Happy _____ birthday Barskin!!!

[Duckaroo]

Good morning....

I feel as you do...I would NOT cover up such a horrific crime...No way, No how....IF, it was proven to have been an accident...I would be by their side, but accidents that take childrens lives are even hard to forgive...BUT, I still feel as though this was NO accident......

Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked....no one would allow themselves to be charged with "murder one" if it was an accident.....Casey doesn't want to be charged at all in anything, which leads me to believe this was deliberate....

Any grieving mother would not have acted like she did...And IF this was an accident, she would have been grieving, even if she didn't want it found out....Her behavior after the fact speaks loud and clear in my books......JMO

I agree..I love my child more than life itself, he's my only child and my life would be over if anything happened to him as I'm sure it would be for his Dad too. If my son took the life of any child..let alone his own, my grandchild, there is no possible way I could cover up or defend him against it, and it's because I do love him and I believe that holding my child to be accountable for his actions especially if it were something as horrible as this, would not mean I love him any less. I can be there for him as his mother, love him just as much as I ever did.

If the A's have never stood up to KC in the past, now is surely the time to do it. The DP is off the table as far as I'm aware, so they do not have to fear that. I do not believe there is any possible way she will walk away from this scott-free, they surely can't expect to fight for that to happen, for her to walk out of that courtroom and back home. I believe the best thing that they can do now, not only for her but for themselves and for Caylee more than anyone else is to stand up to her and her lies once in for all. IF there is one drop of anything good left in Casey, as a parent that's what they should now be fighting to save and the only way to do that is by having her own up to what she has done. It may not be easy, she may not come home anytime soon if ever..but, by demanding the truth from her and nothing else, they will have at least if anything possibly saved her soul, which at this point is the only thing left of her I think that there is to try and save. Edit to add: not sure if that's even possible with Casey, but at least they will have tried.

[NYGalPal]

Exactly!

I am tired of people making excuses for others bad behavior.
That is why society is so messed up today...excuses , excuses.
and no one taking responsiblity for their actions.

How right you are. Sick of the excuses.

[Regina.Lampert]

Oh...but how did you know??? :w00t:

Happy Birthday Doll!!

You bounced into the world 67 days ahead of me in the great year of 1949!!! Hope all your wishes and dreams come true today when you blow out the candles on your cake.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2ZD1S1aMJ_I

[Neffy]

Oh...but how did you know??? :w00t:

Insider information on today's news conference LOL!

[Mimi428]

Could there be something wrong with her mentally?? Not as an excuse and anyone can tell she isn't right simply because she carried this on for so long, but I can't seem to see anything "medical" that would cause her to snap even. A personality disorder, that is not on the same level as a schizophrenic right?

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You are correct, a personality disorder is not the same as schizophrenia. Wikipedia has a pretty good entry about it & it is not overly complicated. Look at the list of negative symptoms, as well as the positive symptoms & you can fairly easily see that Casey does not seem to have manifested those negative symptoms.

Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for much of the time during a one-month period (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).

Delusions

Hallucinations

Disorganized speech, which is a manifestation of formal thought disorder

Grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior

Negative symptoms—affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation)

If the delusions are judged to be bizarre, or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other, only that symptom is required above. The speech disorganization criterion is only met if it is severe enough to substantially impair communication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

Her speech & her behavior is not disorganized. She has not demonstrated withdrawal from social activities. She does not show any symptoms that would make you believe she is seeing things others do not see, or hearing things others cannot hear. If a lie is very specifically exposed, she does not have the anxiety of someone who actually believes what she says - she acknowledges that she lied, but then she moves on the the NEXT lie (think how she just owned up at Universal to her lie about working, didn't bother her a bit once they backed her into a corner about it).

JMO

[PuffDragon]

Good morning....

I feel as you do...I would NOT cover up such a horrific crime...No way, No how....IF, it was proven to have been an accident...I would be by their side, but accidents that take childrens lives are even hard to forgive...BUT, I still feel as though this was NO accident......

Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked....no one would allow themselves to be charged with "murder one" if it was an accident.....Casey doesn't want to be charged at all in anything, which leads me to believe this was deliberate....

Any grieving mother would not have acted like she did...And IF this was an accident, she would have been grieving, even if she didn't want it found out....Her behavior after the fact speaks loud and clear in my books......JMO

I can't agree. You simply cannot say: >>>Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked <<<
You are seeing her through the eyes of a normal, well adjusted, moral person. Try to become Casey, get into her mind. She doesn't grieve. She doesn't have a conscience. Put aside your conscience and then predict the way she would act in any of the episodes that we know about. It's all about survival of her psyche. It's all about her.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree, the little coward is unable to face george and cynthia now. But, I'm not so sure the jig is totally up yet. At this point in time I believe they are still pushing the kidnapping by the nanny hogwash, but that may morph into something else, once they actually see all the evidence the prosecution has on the odious creature.

If they can concoct an elaborate fairytale for the jury, perhaps cynthia and george will get right back on the casey is innocent bandwagon. Afterall, their concern has always been casey, not Caylee in my opinion.




You are so right....They will be coming up with another theory to try and clear their daughter...no doubt....And with Linda Baden on the case, I can assure you it will be a dilly.......And the Anthony's will go along with ANY excuse at all if there is a slightest chance that Casey will get off.......

I think that is the reason that they probably will not hold a public ceromony for Caylee....they don't want to face the public at all...because they know the lies have just begun.......

[PuffDragon]

I would think it would be very hard for Casey to "face" them, even through a video-screen and telephone now. But this is Casey. Listening/watching her being questioned by the detectives on NG last night reminded me how easy it is for Casey to just keep pounding with her lies. It doesn't matter to her when she is exposed, she just continues on.

!!Right on!!

[destiny1]

<snipped, underlined by me>

You are correct, a personality disorder is not the same as schizophrenia. Wikipedia has a pretty good entry about it & it is not overly complicated. Look at the list of negative symptoms, as well as the positive symptoms & you can fairly easily see that Casey does not seem to have manifested those negative symptoms.

Characteristic symptoms: Two or more of the following, each present for much of the time during a one-month period (or less, if symptoms remitted with treatment).

Delusions

Hallucinations

Disorganized speech, which is a manifestation of formal thought disorder

Grossly disorganized behavior (e.g. dressing inappropriately, crying frequently) or catatonic behavior

Negative symptoms—affective flattening (lack or decline in emotional response), alogia (lack or decline in speech), or avolition (lack or decline in motivation)

If the delusions are judged to be bizarre, or hallucinations consist of hearing one voice participating in a running commentary of the patient's actions or of hearing two or more voices conversing with each other, only that symptom is required above. The speech disorganization criterion is only met if it is severe enough to substantially impair communication.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schizophrenia

Her speech & her behavior is not disorganized. She has not demonstrated withdrawal from social activities. She does not show any symptoms that would make you believe she is seeing things others do not see, or hearing things others cannot hear. If a lie is very specifically exposed, she does not have the anxiety of someone who actually believes what she says - she acknowledges that she lied, but then she moves on the the NEXT lie (think how she just owned up at Universal to her lie about working, didn't bother her a bit once they backed her into a corner about it).

JMO
TY

Usually schizophrenics dont murder though from what I have read about it.

IMO casey has two conditions
spoiled
dumb

[PuffDragon]

Somehow I don't think so. I believe they know it was Caylee. I remember so long ago there were so many predictions that once the body was found and DNA showed it was Caylee, that George and Cindy would refuse to believe it and say 'DNA lies.' So far we haven't heard that, in fact, just the opposite from George's statement.

So what can they say now? Everyone wanted them to just shut up and stay off TV and take a low profile, and now they have done that. (At least temporarily. :biggrin:)

Don't misunderstand me. I believe they know too. Except for that little tiny voice in the back of their head.

[SavannahStar]

I can't agree. You simply cannot say: >>>Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked <<<
You are seeing her through the eyes of a normal, well adjusted, moral person. Try to become Casey, get into her mind. She doesn't grieve. She doesn't have a conscience. Put aside your conscience and then predict the way she would act in any of the episodes that we know about. It's all about survival of her psyche. It's all about her.

Bolding mine.

I totally agree.

[Regina.Lampert]

I believe that cindy is going to flip flop a few times depending on what is being presented at trial. Now whether or not the family will have the good taste as to not go in front of any more cameras is your guess.

I can see cynthia eventually saying something like I need "concrete" proof casey hurt Caylee, not all this "circumstantial" stuff. Once she gets her legal exposure sorted out of course......

[barskin&co.]

Somehow I can't believe they will push the Zanny the Nanny kidnapping story at trial. Who in the world would be their witnesses? No one at all has any knowledge whatsoever of this nanny. And I doubt they will put Casey on the stand. It will be interesting to me to see how they handle all this, but IMO the Zanny story is out.

Precisely the problem. Not only is this story inherently ridiculous, there is no one who can testify to it in court. A lot of people have posted things like "well, they can say..." and, I have replied, "who's they?"

[bchand]

Also the 21st was the day of the interview with George and Cindy where she looked totally out of it. :glare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk

She really was out of it, but interestingly, George was pushing the "it's all LE's fault and praising KidFinders."

Every time I go back and view a video of what they've done, it makes me madder. Blame everyone but their precious daughter for not cooperating.

[NYGalPal]

You are so right....They will be coming up with another theory to try and clear their daughter...no doubt....And with Linda Baden on the case, I can assure you it will be a dilly.......And the Anthony's will go along with ANY excuse at all if there is a slightest chance that Casey will get off.......

I think that is the reason that they probably will not hold a public ceromony for Caylee....they don't want to face the public at all...because they know the lies have just begun.......


Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:

[destiny1]

Precisely the problem. Not only is this story inherently ridiculous, there is no one who can testify to it in court. A lot of people have posted things like "well, they can say..." and, I have replied, "who's they?"

Unless Baez and company are ready to put that devils imp and all of her alternate personalities on the stand, "they" won't exist in the eyes of the court.

[Barbara fl.]

I can't agree. You simply cannot say: >>>Had this been an accident in any way or form...Casey would have talked <<<
You are seeing her through the eyes of a normal, well adjusted, moral person. Try to become Casey, get into her mind. She doesn't grieve. She doesn't have a conscience. Put aside your conscience and then predict the way she would act in any of the episodes that we know about. It's all about survival of her psyche. It's all about her.

She would have talked if she was completely normal...the rest of my post explains that....she is a sociopath and while this is NOT considered a mental disorder or grounds for an insanity plea...it is not normal behavior of a normal individual.....she will never tell what happened...she thinks she is to great of a person to be being blamed for this.......which is why I believe that this was intentional....only a person who is a sociopath would think like this......

But I will never believe that this was an accident....no more then Lacy was murdered by accident and then Scott got scared and covered up....... JMO

[PuffDragon]

I think they are holding this just to wish me a happy 21st 39th birthday.
"Ladies and gentlemen, we just wanted to announce that barskin is really, really...whoa! She's old."

Happy Birthday bar. Whichever one it is.

[Barbara fl.]

Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:


And what really killed me is when Cindy kept wanting people to look for a live Caylee...If your daughter tells you that Caylee could be in harms way...what would have been so off to search for Caylee alive or deceased....they would have wanted closure in any form at that time....As you said...never once did they make a public plea for Caylee's return....it was all a diversion that they were saying for the public to look for Caylee...it was to get the heat off their daughter.....They knew from the time they smelled that odor and Caylee was missing, what the outcome was going to be....it then became their goal to try and save Casey......

[Duckaroo]

I pray that somewhere in the defense's opening and closing statements we hear the words, Zanny/Zenaida..nanny and kidnapped! Script would be great too!

:thumbsup:

[Pooh]

Precisely the problem. Not only is this story inherently ridiculous, there is no one who can testify to it in court. A lot of people have posted things like "well, they can say..." and, I have replied, "who's they?"

Happy Birthday barskin!! You know what gets me about the defense? Casey has always stuck to the "nanny" story so how now can she change her story and look the least bit credible? The prosecution will be all over it and will be able to discredit any theory they try to throw out there. imo But I agree with one of the other posters that said with LKB on the case, the "theory" will be a doozie.

[Neffy]

Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:

The Anthony's wasted their time playing cat and mouse with Casey.

They knew the answers yet because Casey wasn't upfront they chose to ignore it.

The real truth is if Casey doesn't say it, it isn't true.

Not LE, not the FBI, not Universal/Kodak/Colortime, PI's., Family, Friends, missing/stolen money, car evidence, pictures - these all lie.

[MalloryCat]

Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:


Why are you de-valuing Caylees worth to her grandparents? If they did not love her, why did they report her missing? Why not just take Caseys word that Caylee was attending school in Switzerland for the next 15 years with Zanny?

[Barbara fl.]

I agree..I love my child more than life itself, he's my only child and my life would be over if anything happened to him as I'm sure it would be for his Dad too. If my son took the life of any child..let alone his own, my grandchild, there is no possible way I could cover up or defend him against it, and it's because I do love him and I believe that holding my child to be accountable for his actions especially if it were something as horrible as this, would not mean I love him any less. I can be there for him as his mother, love him just as much as I ever did.

If the A's have never stood up to KC in the past, now is surely the time to do it. The DP is off the table as far as I'm aware, so they do not have to fear that. I do not believe there is any possible way she will walk away from this scott-free, they surely can't expect to fight for that to happen, for her to walk out of that courtroom and back home. I believe the best thing that they can do now, not only for her but for themselves and for Caylee more than anyone else is to stand up to her and her lies once in for all. IF there is one drop of anything good left in Casey, as a parent that's what they should now be fighting to save and the only way to do that is by having her own up to what she has done. It may not be easy, she may not come home anytime soon if ever..but, by demanding the truth from her and nothing else, they will have at least if anything possibly saved her soul, which at this point is the only thing left of her I think that there is to try and save. Edit to add: not sure if that's even possible with Casey, but at least they will have tried.


I couldn't agree more....very well put....you can stand by your child without denying what they have done....no one would have blamed them for that....but covering up something like this....no way....I'm with you and I too love my children and would give my life for them...but I would demand the truth if they expected me to be standing by them.....

[martha]

I can;t see how they can use the nanny story. there is no nanny. no one has found a nanny and her sister the one that took caylee at the park. how can they keep saying the nanny took her. I just wonder what story they will come up with in court. Casey has to have something besides the nanny story. I guess her lawyer and c and g and lee will help come up with a story. I know they will say who ever kid napped her killed her but to me that don;t wash. since caylee was put in the back yard at the house. I just hope le has a lot more that any of us know. I wish the trial would start soon. Not be put of for years. I know c g and lee know the truth but they will never tell it because they want to get casey out. So do we have anyone that will come forward and tell the truth about casey. All I need to know is she waited 31 days to tell she was missing. the the trunk of the car. It just seems like it needs to be casey that did this who elce could it be? jmho

[martha]

I couldn't agree more....very well put....you can stand by your child without denying what they have done....no one would have blamed them for that....but covering up something like this....no way....I'm with you and I too love my children and would give my life for them...but I would demand the truth if they expected me to be standing by them.....
AMEN you or so right. we love our children beond anything in the world but we sure would want them to tell us the truth and we would stand behind them and try to help but not like for them. we would still love them with all our hearts.jmho

[destiny1]

I pray that somewhere in the defense's opening and closing statements we hear the words, Zanny/Zenaida..nanny and kidnapped! Script would be great too!

:thumbsup:

If I were in that courtroom, and they did that, I would not be able to contain myself and would probably be ejected! :lol:

[Mimi428]

I can see cynthia eventually saying something like I need "concrete" proof casey hurt Caylee, not all this "circumstantial" stuff. Once she gets her legal exposure sorted out of course......


That's what I think she will do, also. I think she & George dealt with the concept of Caylee being dead early on. I don't think either one of them could - or ever will - be able to grasp that Casey KILLED Caylee.

Dead, they can deal with. Grandchild murdered at the hands of their own child - no. I don't think they will ever acknowledge that. It will be a nanny, a kidnapping nanny, a good nanny with drug-dealing relatives, a nanny in the country illegally, yadda, yadda, yadda.

At the most, I can see one of them accepting some version of Casey was distracted, Caylee had an accident (fell in the pool or something) & Casey was so blinded by grief & horror that she blanked it out of her mind.

But Casey as a cold-blooded murderer? NO, that would be too much to bear for either of them, I think.

JMO

[Pooh]

The Anthony's wasted their time playing cat and mouse with Casey.

They knew the answers yet because Casey wasn't upfront they chose to ignore it.

The real truth is if Casey doesn't say it, it isn't true.

Not LE, not the FBI, not Universal/Kodak/Colortime, PI's., Family, Friends, missing/stolen money, car evidence, pictures - these all lie.

You said it! Amazing, huh? I read the e-mails between Rick and Cindy over the weekend and he really tried to get her to see the light but Cindy wasn't having any of it. Not even from her own mom. Rick told Cindy in August that Caylee would be found dead. Her mom was also upset they keep playing that video of her husband in the media all the time. Stupid Casey - look at what she's done to so many lives. And she can smile and joke with her brother and parents via jailhouse video. Disgusting. You talk about a dysfuntional family. They're the poster family.

[Regina.Lampert]

She might not say it but I'll bet that some of the Jurors will be thinking it.

JMO

Not after the Judge explains to them thru jury instructions that circumstantial evidence carries the exact same weight as direct evidence they won't. imo.

[NYGalPal]

Why are you de-valuing Caylees worth to her grandparents? If they did not love her, why did they report her missing? Why not just take Caseys word that Caylee was attending school in Switzerland for the next 15 years with Zanny?Guess all their actions or lack there of has been missed by you?

Why are you watching the board and only jump on certain posters? If you have time to watch 7 tabs, you have time to join in on the conversation.

:rolleyes:

[SavannahStar]

Why are you de-valuing Caylees worth to her grandparents? If they did not love her, why did they report her missing? Why not just take Caseys word that Caylee was attending school in Switzerland for the next 15 years with Zanny?

Mornin' Mallory.

That's one thing I cannot understand how anyone can do.....insist that George and Cindy did not love Caylee. It just floors me. But I think with some it will always be either/or.....either they loved Casey or loved Caylee but not both. It's like some want to FORCE them to "pick". It's so obvious to me they loved both. They adored Caylee. And they love Casey, she is their flesh and blood, despite her faults. And crimes.

Why do I always think of the book/movie Sophie's Choice? As a mother, that so affected me.....the impossibility of being forced to "choose." I could never, ever read that book or see the movie a second time. Toooooooo heartbreaking.

[Barbara fl.]

Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:


Yes, the initial shock did thru Cindy into hysteria....but only too soon afterwards both George and Cindy turned to only concern themselves with Casey.....I as a grandmother to 4 would have been too distraught over losing one of them to have been composed enough to start defending the one that was responsible.....therefore I come to the same conclusion as you....the love for Casey was stronger then the love for Caylee.....

[Mimi428]

Precisely the problem. Not only is this story inherently ridiculous, there is no one who can testify to it in court. A lot of people have posted things like "well, they can say..." and, I have replied, "who's they?"


I'm with you, birthday chickie - there is no one who can take the stand & testify about a nanny except Casey - & I just don't think Baez will ever put her on the stand.

(will you eat a piece of cake for me, please? TY)

[frances1]

Yup, just more lies on their part.

I wouldn't want to witness the cherade of how much they loved Caylee, because they didn't. They didn't waste one second of their precious time looking for her.

:cursing:

I don't agree with you there, NY. I think they loved Caylee. I think Cindy was trying tough love on Casey, and never imagined in a million years that Casey would harm her child. They knew that Casey wasn't 'right', IMO, and I agree with you that they enabled her. I think they were just weary, and hoped against hope that Casey would straighten out if she had to do for herself. I think Casey had just worn them down, and they were at their wits' end. With hindsight, we can see that they should not have let Casey take Caylee with her, legalities be damned.
I am NOT defending their actions. Cindy makes me so mad I want to spit. I don't think it's so much that she CAN'T accept what Casey has done, as much as she WILL NOT accept it. I don't think they ever really believed the nanny story, either. They may have thought Casey had given Caylee to someone else, though, and thought they could get her to tell them who. Also, I haven't seen it discussed much, but I've wondered if Cindy pumped Caylee for information, and Caylee told her something that infuriated her, in addition to confronting Casey about the theft of money from her grandparents, that sent Cindy over the edge. Casey would have been VERY angry with Caylee if this were true, and I don't think Cindy would have ever volunteered this to LE. Just my rambling thoughts this morning.

[trich]

Last night on Geraldo, He was pushing the theory that the body was placed while Casey has been incarcerated.

IMO, Geraldo has some kind of $take in promoting defense strategies.

It's pretty obvious, IMO, that Geraldo :loveeyes: Baez.

I have read that they are indeed "pals"....In a sense that explains it all.
Monkey see monkey do!!!IMO

[NYGalPal]

And what really killed me is when Cindy kept wanting people to look for a live Caylee...If your daughter tells you that Caylee could be in harms way...what would have been so off to search for Caylee alive or deceased....they would have wanted closure in any form at that time....As you said...never once did they make a public plea for Caylee's return....it was all a diversion that they were saying for the public to look for Caylee...it was to get the heat off their daughter.....They knew from the time they smelled that odor and Caylee was missing, what the outcome was going to be....it then became their goal to try and save Casey......

Spot on there Barbara. They knew!

[Regina.Lampert]

That's what I think she will do, also. I think she & George dealt with the concept of Caylee being dead early on. I don't think either one of them could - or ever will - be able to grasp that Casey KILLED Caylee.

Dead, they can deal with. Grandchild murdered at the hands of their own child - no. I don't think they will ever acknowledge that. It will be a nanny, a kidnapping nanny, a good nanny with drug-dealing relatives, a nanny in the country illegally, yadda, yadda, yadda.

At the most, I can see one of them accepting some version of Casey was distracted, Caylee had an accident (fell in the pool or something) & Casey was so blinded by grief & horror that she blanked it out of her mind.

But Casey as a cold-blooded murderer? NO, that would be too much to bear for either of them, I think.

JMO


I understand what you're saying Mim, but george came real close to acknowledging casey as the murderer when he told LE it was hard to realize that someone you raised could hurt another.

IMO, george knows and has always known his daughter could and did hurt Caylee.

[NYGalPal]

I don't agree with you there, NY. I think they loved Caylee. I think Cindy was trying tough love on Casey, and never imagined in a million years that Casey would harm her child. They knew that Casey wasn't 'right', IMO, and I agree with you that they enabled her. I think they were just weary, and hoped against hope that Casey would straighten out if she had to do for herself. I think Casey had just worn them down, and they were at their wits' end. With hindsight, we can see that they should not have let Casey take Caylee with her, legalities be damned.
I am NOT defending their actions. Cindy makes me so mad I want to spit. I don't think it's so much that she CAN'T accept what Casey has done, as much as she WILL NOT accept it. I don't think they ever really believed the nanny story, either. They may have thought Casey had given Caylee to someone else, though, and thought they could get her to tell them who. Also, I haven't seen it discussed much, but I've wondered if Cindy pumped Caylee for information, and Caylee told her something that infuriated her, in addition to confronting Casey about the theft of money from her grandparents, that sent Cindy over the edge. Casey would have been VERY angry with Caylee if this were true, and I don't think Cindy would have ever volunteered this to LE. Just my rambling thoughts this morning.

I respect your opinion. This is only one excuse why they were too lazy to look for Caylee? They knew she was dead. The lies from them, the handing over the wrong brush on purpose..etc. It all adds up to a cover up for Casey and that is wrong and illegal.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, the initial shock did thru Cindy into hysteria....but only too soon afterwards both George and Cindy turned to only concern themselves with Casey.....I as a grandmother to 4 would have been too distraught over losing one of them to have been composed enough to start defending the one that was responsible.....therefore I come to the same conclusion as you....the love for Casey was stronger then the love for Caylee.....

Bolding mine.

Just curious, does that mean that you believe a grandparent should love their grandchild more than their child? That is the "norm"? I seriously am curious as to your opinion. Should we dictate who should love whom "more"?

[Texas48]

Happy Birthday barskin!! You know what gets me about the defense? Casey has always stuck to the "nanny" story so how now can she change her story and look the least bit credible? The prosecution will be all over it and will be able to discredit any theory they try to throw out there. imo But I agree with one of the other posters that said with LKB on the case, the "theory" will be a doozie.
Reading your post Pooh made me think back...(hard to tax my brain at my age) but I agree KC (defense dream team???) likely will stick w/"nanny" fairy tale...but...does anyone remember when KC "broke down???" and told Cindy she SOLD Caylee? As for the "theory" being a "doozie"....heck..the entire case from start to end will be a DOOZIE. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

I can;t see how they can use the nanny story. there is no nanny. no one has found a nanny and her sister the one that took caylee at the park. how can they keep saying the nanny took her. I just wonder what story they will come up with in court. Casey has to have something besides the nanny story. I guess her lawyer and c and g and lee will help come up with a story. I know they will say who ever kid napped her killed her but to me that don;t wash. since caylee was put in the back yard at the house. I just hope le has a lot more that any of us know. I wish the trial would start soon. Not be put of for years. I know c g and lee know the truth but they will never tell it because they want to get casey out. So do we have anyone that will come forward and tell the truth about casey. All I need to know is she waited 31 days to tell she was missing. the the trunk of the car. It just seems like it needs to be casey that did this who elce could it be? jmho


I'm sure that the state has alot they are not telling....however what has been publicized is enough for any juror to convict.. What some people tend not to realize is that MOST all cases are circumstantial...unless it was caught on video.....many a person is behind bars due to circumstantial evidence....when the evidence goes all to one person and there is NOTHING swaying it in the other direction...it will be a conviction....

There is NOT one piece of evidence that would indicate that anyone other then Casey was involved in this murder....and she will be going to prison for life due to all these circumstances surrounding her....JMO.

[Neffy]

Mornin' Mallory.

That's one thing I cannot understand how anyone can do.....insist that George and Cindy did not love Caylee. It just floors me. But I think with some it will always be either/or.....either they loved Casey or loved Caylee but not both. It's like some want to FORCE them to "pick". It's so obvious to me they loved both. They adored Caylee. And they love Casey, she is their flesh and blood, despite her faults. And crimes.

Why do I always think of the book/movie Sophie's Choice? As a mother, that so affected me.....the impossibility of being forced to "choose." I could never, ever read that book or see the movie a second time. Toooooooo heartbreaking.


Sophie's choice is really a poor analogy.

Did someone invisible make her choose between her children?


Who is making Cindy choose?

[SavannahStar]

Sophie's choice is really a poor analogy.

Did someone invisible make her choose between her children?


Who is making Cindy choose?


Message board posters.

[MorningGlory]

I watched the rerun of some of the jailhouse tapes on NG last night, and saw once again the snip of converstaion that I saw once before and thought I must have misheard Casey, although I don't think there were any comments here regarding her statement. It was during a conversation with G and C. C had the phone. I don't recall the statements leading up to this, but Casey said (I'M paraphrasing) "Even though I don't have you two physically at the moment, I have your love and support and that means so much. I know I have your support. I have everything I nee... " Before Casey could finish the word need, Cindy talked over her saying somehthing about how much they miss Caylee. I couldn't believe that Casey thinks any mother who's child was abducted, and was who knows where, endurring who knows what for all these weeks, could say, "I have everything I need." I believe a mother in that position would feel that she did not have the ONE thing she did need - knowledge that her child was safe, happy, and well. This is the same conversation where I thought Casey seemed almost giddy, so happy to have her parents full attention, their constant assurances of their love for her, etc. She seemed thrilled to be at the center of all that, and was not bothered in the least that her child was in the hands of the "outlaw, drum playing, hair straightening, sneak into the house and use the computer, nanny". All IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Bolding mine.

Just curious, does that mean that you believe a grandparent should love their grandchild more than their child? That is the "norm"? I seriously am curious as to your opinion. Should we dictate who should love whom "more"?

They should have protected the vulnerable and defenseless one and that was Caylee not casey anthony. They are still persisting in covering up for the murderer and that is why many people hold ill feelings about them, imo.

[Texas48]

Why are you de-valuing Caylees worth to her grandparents? If they did not love her, why did they report her missing? Why not just take Caseys word that Caylee was attending school in Switzerland for the next 15 years with Zanny? As much as I have been sickened by the Anthonys actions/media interviews/statements I will always believe in my heart they truly loved Caylee. You are right on Mallory. jmo

[NYGalPal]

They should have protected the vulnerable and defenseless one and that was Caylee not casey anthony. They are still persisting in covering up for the murderer and that is why many people hold ill feelings about them, imo.

Thank you. Scary how some don't think covering up for Casey is a crime. :thumbdown:

[Mimi428]

I don't agree with you there, NY. I think they loved Caylee. I think Cindy was trying tough love on Casey, and never imagined in a million years that Casey would harm her child. They knew that Casey wasn't 'right', IMO, and I agree with you that they enabled her. I think they were just weary, and hoped against hope that Casey would straighten out if she had to do for herself. I think Casey had just worn them down, and they were at their wits' end. With hindsight, we can see that they should not have let Casey take Caylee with her, legalities be damned.

I am NOT defending their actions. Cindy makes me so mad I want to spit. I don't think it's so much that she CAN'T accept what Casey has done, as much as she WILL NOT accept it. I don't think they ever really believed the nanny story, either. They may have thought Casey had given Caylee to someone else, though, and thought they could get her to tell them who. Also, I haven't seen it discussed much, but I've wondered if Cindy pumped Caylee for information, and Caylee told her something that infuriated her, in addition to confronting Casey about the theft of money from her grandparents, that sent Cindy over the edge. Casey would have been VERY angry with Caylee if this were true, and I don't think Cindy would have ever volunteered this to LE. Just my rambling thoughts this morning.

I was reading the early statements given by Amy H & Tony Lazzaro over the weekend & each of them made it very clear that when they were in Cindy's company - the few hours before she started making the 911 calls - she was on a scorched-earth tirade against Casey once she caught up with her. Each of them mentions how angry she was with Casey & she surely was not painting Casey in a positive light. She told Tony straight off the bat that she hoped he was made of money (paraphrase) because Casey would be taking money from him. She told Amy that Casey had been stealing from she & George & from her grandparents.

I think, if Cindy had not called the police, she would have eventually beat the living crap out of Casey until she told her where Caylee was - she has been described clearly being in a overwhelmingly angry state & insistent that Casey take her to where Caylee was.

I think it was only when it got to the point that Cindy realized that Casey was being accused of MURDER, that she went into the state of 'no, no, no, she would never have deliberately harmed her child'.

I don't agree with how she has behaved, but she sure wouldn't be the first parent to have a complete panic over the thought of everything that could happen to her daughter in jail. It has put plenty of parents into sheer terror, thinking of the predators & hardened criminals already in jail - & their child being targetted by them.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Also the 21st was the day of the interview with George and Cindy where she looked totally out of it. :glare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk


Was that video on the same day as the hearing when C raised her hand? Also later C was interviewed again and she looked totally in control, back to her same ole same ole. If so, I think C was putting on an act in the first video. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Bolding mine.

Just curious, does that mean that you believe a grandparent should love their grandchild more than their child? That is the "norm"? I seriously am curious as to your opinion. Should we dictate who should love whom "more"?



I love them all the same....however I would not be defending the adult murderer over my defenseless grandchild....I would have to draw the line....

If this had even been a fit of anger killing, I would stand by my child...had it been an accident, I would stand by my child.....BUT, you have to admit, this is not that type of scenerio...the scenerio here is that nothing but lies and cover up of your daughters death and still expecting her parents to stand by her....As her parents...I would not...she would have to tell me the truth, before I would do that....

The mere fact that the Anthony's are not trying to get to the truth as to what happened to their prescious granddaughter...leads me to believe that the love for their lying murderous daughter is greater then the love they had for Caylee....That is not to say they didn't love her and are not wishing that this all didn't happen...it just means (in my book) that Casey is loved more then anyone elsewould.

And your probably going to kill me for this.....But I'm almost prone to think that they wish if Caylee had never been born this all wouldn't have happened....thus putting the blame on the poor defenseless child...rather then Casey....JMO...

[openminded]

Perhaps, plus add on he has to pay for a lawyer. Anyone know why Cindy hasn't gone back to work?

IIRC, when NeJame represented her he appeared on Nancy Grace and said she hadn't taken a poly because she was/is heavily medicated.

My guess is that she's on temporary disability. Or maybe it's permanent by now.

MOO.

[n/t]

Why are you de-valuing Caylees worth to her grandparents? If they did not love her, why did they report her missing? Why not just take Caseys word that Caylee was attending school in Switzerland for the next 15 years with Zanny?

They took her word that she had a nanny for 31 days. Casey didn't even have a job!! Helloo??? :blink:

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank you. Scary how some don't think covering up for Casey is a crime. :thumbdown:

.....and attempt to excuse it because cynthia and george are "upset".....well too bad, you don't lie and tamper with evidence in a capital case....PERIOD!

Wonder how the immunity talks are going........ :thumbdown:

[SavannahStar]

They should have protected the vulnerable and defenseless one and that was Caylee not casey anthony. They are still persisting in covering up for the murderer and that is why many people hold ill feelings about them, imo.

Oh I can understand (though I don't always agree with,........especially the depth of) people's ill feelings about them.

I'm just not equating all that with the theory of loving one more than the other. Or most especially loving one and the other not at all.

[NYGalPal]

I love them all the same....however I would not be defending the adult murderer over my defenseless grandchild....I would have to draw the line....

If this had even been a fit of anger killing, I would stand by my child...had it been an accident, I would stand by my child.....BUT, you have to admit, this is not that type of scenerio...the scenerio here is that nothing but lies and cover up of your daughters death and still expecting her parents to stand by her....As her parents...I would not...she would have to tell me the truth, before I would do that....

The mere fact that the Anthony's are not trying to get to the truth as to what happened to their prescious granddaughter...leads me to believe that the love for their lying murderous daughter is greater then the love they had for Caylee....That is not to say they didn't love her and are not wishing that this all didn't happen...it just means (in my book) that Casey is loved more then anyone elsewould.

And your probably going to kill me for this.....But I'm almost prone to think that they wish if Caylee had never been born this all wouldn't have happened....thus putting the blame on the poor defenseless child...rather then Casey....JMO...

IMO, it is called "morals". Unfortunately there are some in this world who lack it. The As are a prime example.

[st777jo]

Exactly!

I am tired of people making excuses for others bad behavior.
That is why society is so messed up today...excuses , excuses.
and no one taking responsiblity for their actions.

I agree. I think all 4 of them have some sort of brain dysfunction.

jmo, jo

Happy 39th and many many more.

[Texas48]

I can;t see how they can use the nanny story. there is no nanny. no one has found a nanny and her sister the one that took caylee at the park. how can they keep saying the nanny took her. I just wonder what story they will come up with in court. Casey has to have something besides the nanny story. I guess her lawyer and c and g and lee will help come up with a story. I know they will say who ever kid napped her killed her but to me that don;t wash. since caylee was put in the back yard at the house. I just hope le has a lot more that any of us know. I wish the trial would start soon. Not be put of for years. I know c g and lee know the truth but they will never tell it because they want to get casey out. So do we have anyone that will come forward and tell the truth about casey. All I need to know is she waited 31 days to tell she was missing. the the trunk of the car. It just seems like it needs to be casey that did this who elce could it be? jmho Good morning to you MArtha. We can put money on the fact LE has MUCH MORE. In combination with the 31 days and everything else I am waiting to see how defense team explains KC tale that she called Zanny and Zanny called her and she even spoke to Caylee on the day she was arrested or day before. Where oh where will this show up on ALL the telephone records LE has? Lets see defense pull this out of the hat. Not even LKB find that rabbit in the hat. jmo

[?noanswer]

You are so right....They will be coming up with another theory to try and clear their daughter...no doubt....And with Linda Baden on the case, I can assure you it will be a dilly.......And the Anthony's will go along with ANY excuse at all if there is a slightest chance that Casey will get off.......

I think that is the reason that they probably will not hold a public ceromony for Caylee....they don't want to face the public at all...because they know the lies have just begun.......

Is it possible, they won't present a theory, just cross all the witnesses of the Prosecution and try to discredit them? Then LKB will do her best to confuse the jury with all the Forensics. I can't see them coming up with any theory if they don't put KC on the stand. I don't see that happening. JMO

[SavannahStar]

I love them all the same....however I would not be defending the adult murderer over my defenseless grandchild....I would have to draw the line....

If this had even been a fit of anger killing, I would stand by my child...had it been an accident, I would stand by my child.....BUT, you have to admit, this is not that type of scenerio...the scenerio here is that nothing but lies and cover up of your daughters death and still expecting her parents to stand by her....As her parents...I would not...she would have to tell me the truth, before I would do that....

The mere fact that the Anthony's are not trying to get to the truth as to what happened to their prescious granddaughter...leads me to believe that the love for their lying murderous daughter is greater then the love they had for Caylee....That is not to say they didn't love her and are not wishing that this all didn't happen...it just means (in my book) that Casey is loved more then anyone elsewould.

And your probably going to kill me for this.....But I'm almost prone to think that they wish if Caylee had never been born this all wouldn't have happened....thus putting the blame on the poor defenseless child...rather then Casey....JMO...

Well barbara, though I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and I also very much appreciate your respect for other's opinions. I've never seen you literally bash anyone for not thinking as you do.

[NYGalPal]

IIRC, when NeJame represented her he appeared on Nancy Grace and said she hadn't taken a poly because she was/is heavily medicated.

My guess is that she's on temporary disability. Or maybe it's permanent by now.

MOO.

She's had plenty of time to take a poly.

Cindy isn't disabled.

[NYGalPal]

.....and attempt to excuse it because cynthia and george are "upset".....well too bad, you don't lie and tamper with evidence in a capital case....PERIOD!

Wonder how the immunity talks are going........ :thumbdown:

They should be upset, but that doesn't excuse them from coming forward and covering up for Casey.

I hope they don't get ammunity. They certainly don't deserve it.

[desmom]

I wonder if this little trip by the PI's on the 15th had anything to do with Nejames quitting so suddenly on the 20th? Maybe, maybe not but the timing to me is quite interesting.:glare:

Also the 21st was the day of the interview with George and Cindy where she looked totally out of it. :glare:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAW35NVmKNk

Hmm, interesting.

Here is the story about NeJames resignation: Mark NeJame Suddenly Resigns As Anthonys' Attorney http://www.wftv.com/news/18025956/detail.html#-

Mr. NeJames statement can be found here: http://www.wftv.com/news/18025838/detail.html

[PuffDragon]

good post. I thought that early on other friends had stepped forward and claimed she was a liar though? Anyone remember that? Remember how her parents or mother didn't like certain races. I had the impression she was a known liar, from early on.

Gosh, i go away for a few minutes and am way behind again.

Yes, most of her older friends had already caught on that she was a liar. I guess that's why she keeps having to move on to new friends.:glare:

[SavannahStar]

Thank you. Scary how some don't think covering up for Casey is a crime. :thumbdown:

I'm not so hard on them about "covering up" because I've yet to be convinced that their "covering up" hindered the process of justice against Casey, OR finding the body. Casey's in jail, I have no doubt she'll be convicted, and Caylee's remains were found and will be buried. It's not as if anything the Anthonys have said or done have changed or will change the actual dynamics of the case. That's really the bottom line for me. That and the fact that they have lost a precious granddaughter and it's the fault of their daughter, both of whom they loved dearly. THAT'S a nightmare I can't imagine.

[NYGalPal]

They took her word that she had a nanny for 31 days. Casey didn't even have a job!! Helloo??? :blink:

She didn't have a job. Why would anyone take Casey's word for anything? Hello! She's a pathological liar.

[Texas48]

You said it! Amazing, huh? I read the e-mails between Rick and Cindy over the weekend and he really tried to get her to see the light but Cindy wasn't having any of it. Not even from her own mom. Rick told Cindy in August that Caylee would be found dead. Her mom was also upset they keep playing that video of her husband in the media all the time. Stupid Casey - look at what she's done to so many lives. And she can smile and joke with her brother and parents via jailhouse video. Disgusting. You talk about a dysfuntional family. They're the poster family. I bet ya none of this family will be smiling after the GUILTY VERDICT is handed down and I certainly bet KC and Lee are DONE with the "high-five" act. When I start thinking about this case sooooooo much comes to mind. jmo

[PuffDragon]

Dr. Rober Hare's Symptoms of a Psychopath:

<snipped because of the space rule>


Wish there were some way of putting that on a permanent display for the peeps who need reminding.

[daHawg]

Was that video on the same day as the hearing when C raised her hand? Also later C was interviewed again and she looked totally in control, back to her same ole same ole. If so, I think C was putting on an act in the first video. JMO

When she tried to address the court that was on Nov 25th. That is also the same day they gave a press conference before the hearing in court.

From the link

The hearing came on the same day Cindy and George Anthony held a news conference, in which they repeated their assertion that Caylee Marie Anthony is alive. Caylee’s mother, Casey, is in Orange County Jail, charged with killing Caylee, who was reported missing in July and has not been found.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18143486/detail.html

Video of press conference Cindy speaking Nov 25th.

http://www.wesh.com/video/18144379/index.html

Images of Anthonys in court Nov 25th.

http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/18145117/detail.html

[Regina.Lampert]

I love them all the same....however I would not be defending the adult murderer over my defenseless grandchild....I would have to draw the line....

If this had even been a fit of anger killing, I would stand by my child...had it been an accident, I would stand by my child.....BUT, you have to admit, this is not that type of scenerio...the scenerio here is that nothing but lies and cover up of your daughters death and still expecting her parents to stand by her....As her parents...I would not...she would have to tell me the truth, before I would do that....

The mere fact that the Anthony's are not trying to get to the truth as to what happened to their prescious granddaughter...leads me to believe that the love for their lying murderous daughter is greater then the love they had for Caylee....That is not to say they didn't love her and are not wishing that this all didn't happen...it just means (in my book) that Casey is loved more then anyone elsewould.

And your probably going to kill me for this.....But I'm almost prone to think that they wish if Caylee had never been born this all wouldn't have happened....thus putting the blame on the poor defenseless child...rather then Casey....JMO...


Excellent post Barb, I can almost hear cynthia saying that if only casey hadn't made that "mistake." :angry:

[MalloryCat]

She didn't have a job. Why would anyone take Casey's word for anything? Hello! She's a pathological liar.

Well lets see, do you believe Cindy choked Casey, because that came from Casey.

Do you believe her brother touched her, because Casey said that too, and it goes on and on.

So why anyone here takes Caseys words as truth and applies them towards this case is very troubling.

[Neffy]

Bolding mine.

Just curious, does that mean that you believe a grandparent should love their grandchild more than their child? That is the "norm"? I seriously am curious as to your opinion. Should we dictate who should love whom "more"?


How do you compare a 22 yr old with a defenseless child 2 yrs of age?

Cindy's actions have separated a love of both to Casey having priority.

This isn't a matter of love in the literal sense. It's a matter of protection which is just another form of love. There is usually more attention and protection of a defenseless child as opposed to an adult child.

This is not the case here.

[ishkabibble]

I think it is a real possibility that Caylee's body was moved. If it was, then it I think it was moved by a family member, probably Lee, while Casey was incarcerated to make it appear she didn't do it.

The whole body thing is very confusing but I tend to believe that it was there all the time. I think if and when we are able to see the actual crime scene it will be easier to accept that it was there but not visible. Those areas are very densely covered in brush and they all tend to look alike. If you are there one day and return the next, unless you left a marker of some sort if can be very difficult to find the exact spot you were in the day before. I also think the actual area used by Kiomarie and that group of friend was a bit of a distance away. They may have buried thier parakeets and hamsters in that area but I think they hung out in an area a little less overgrown. I hope LE took a good video of the whole area prior to cutting back the brush , seeing that will give us a much better perspective.

[SavannahStar]

Well lets see, do you believe Cindy choked Casey, because that came from Casey.

Do you believe her brother touched her, because Casey said that too, and it goes on and on.

So why anyone here takes Caseys words as truth and applies them towards this case is very troubling.

I've noticed that too.

Oh but when something she says "fits".....we hear "there's always a little bit of truth in all of Casey's lies." :lol:

Interesting! :blink:

[Regina.Lampert]

She didn't have a job. Why would anyone take Casey's word for anything? Hello! She's a pathological liar.

....and cynthia and george as her parents know this BETTER THEN ANYONE.

[Pooh]

The whole body thing is very confusing but I tend to believe that it was there all the time. I think if and when we are able to see the actual crime scene it will be easier to accept that it was there but not visible. Those areas are very densely covered in brush and they all tend to look alike. If you are there one day and return the next, unless you left a marker of some sort if can be very difficult to find the exact spot you were in the day before. I also think the actual area used by Kiomarie and that group of friend was a bit of a distance away. They may have buried thier parakeets and hamsters in that area but I think they hung out in an area a little less overgrown. I hope LE took a good video of the whole area prior to cutting back the brush , seeing that will give us a much better perspective.

I agree that the body was there all the time. I think Casey figured it would have been found earlier which I think she may have figured it would have bolstered her "kidnapping" story. But, her actions after the crime have told an entirely different story. imo

[Cury-us Coyote]

.....and attempt to excuse it because cynthia and george are "upset".....well too bad, you don't lie and tamper with evidence in a capital case....PERIOD!

Wonder how the immunity talks are going........ :thumbdown:

What are the A's worried about where immunity is a solution? IIRC, the A's were asked for FINGERPRINTS. Can you imagine a scenario where fingerprints prove or disprove something verbally SAID or NOT SAID? TIA

[SavannahStar]

How do you compare a 22 yr old with a defenseless child 2 yrs of age?

Cindy's actions have separated a love of both to Casey having priority.

This isn't a matter of love in the literal sense. It's a matter of protection which is just another form of love. There is usually more attention and protection of a defenseless child as opposed to an adult child.

This is not the case here.

I see your point, Neffy, and you're one who has at least tried to explain quite well the difference.

However, are you speaking of BEFORE Caylee died or afterwards?

Before this happened: I do not believe there is anything that could have "predicted" what Casey did. I don't believe George and Cindy are at fault at all. I can't believe anyone actually thinks George and Cindy could have had a clue Casey would murder Caylee!

After this happened: Caylee was dead. What could George and Cindy do at that point to protect Caylee?

[Texas48]

I'm with you, birthday chickie - there is no one who can take the stand & testify about a nanny except Casey - & I just don't think Baez will ever put her on the stand.

(will you eat a piece of cake for me, please? TY)
I am not what so ever impressed with JB and have thought him to be pretty darn ..........at times but I do not think he will consider putting KC on the stand...but....I have to wounder if in KC's tiny brain if she believes she can make a jury believe her with all her stories and her manner in which she tells them. She does have a way of going on and on and on when a simple "yes" or "no" would have been enough. Heck..in several of her interviews w/LE I forgot the question LE asked her by the time she was finished with her answer(if there was an answer) Maybe she thinks she can PLAY the jury...Quess we will wait and see when that time comes. It will a long wait anyway for the defense to put on their case as the Pro. have to deal w/Cindy first and that may take days and days. jmo

[Pooh]

What are the A's worried about where immunity is a solution? snipped

That is the question of the decade. What indeed.

[ishkabibble]

Gosh, i go away for a few minutes and am way behind again.

Yes, most of her older friends had already caught on that she was a liar. I guess that's why she keeps having to move on to new friends.:glare:

Excellent post, my thoughts exactly. there is no way she could keep up the facade of single mother, event planner, college student, partyer, girlfriend. Once Amy realized she had stolen her checkbook and wiped her out that whole group of friends would have dropped her. Maybe that's why William Waters was getting so much attention, fresh territory, it might be why she was talking to Mark Hawkins in CA, perhaps a move was in her future.

[?noanswer]

I am not what so ever impressed with JB and have thought him to be pretty darn ..........at times but I do not think he will consider putting KC on the stand...but....I have to wounder if in KC's tiny brain if she believes she can make a jury believe her with all her stories and her manner in which she tells them. She does have a way of going on and on and on when a simple "yes" or "no" would have been enough. Heck..in several of her interviews w/LE I forgot the question LE asked her by the time she was finished with her answer(if there was an answer) Maybe she thinks she can PLAY the jury...Quess we will wait and see when that time comes. It will a long wait anyway for the defense to put on their case as the Pro. have to deal w/Cindy first and that may take days and days. jmo

If she is on the stand and starts to ramble, the Prosecution can ask the Judge to direct her to answer "yes" or "no". Whether the Judge will do it, I don't know. JMO

[marshmallow]

Well lets see, do you believe Cindy choked Casey, because that came from Casey.

Do you believe her brother touched her, because Casey said that too, and it goes on and on.

So why anyone here takes Caseys words as truth and applies them towards this case is very troubling.



I feel the same but also feel that way about anything said by Cindy, George, and Lee Anthonys as well. Nothing the Anthony family (these 4) says should ever be assumed to be true, they've lied too much and too often to be taken as tellers of truth.

[MandyMia]

I've been doing my best to read back all the pages from today, they add up quickly, just wondering if anyone has heard anymore on the detectives announcement? I can't seem to find if it is in fact still happening and/or when? Thank you - and sorry if it's already been posted and I didn't find it............

[Regina.Lampert]

What are the A's worried about where immunity is a solution? IIRC, the A's were asked for FINGERPRINTS. Can you imagine a scenario where fingerprints prove or disprove something verbally SAID or NOT SAID? TIA


Only the anthonys and their attorney know exactly why they want full immunity. IMO, the State will never give it to them, so we go from there. It's going to be interesting, imo because I think these people have done illegal things in support of their murdering daughter. Things such as impeding the investigation, lying and possibly tampering with evidence.

I hope they get charged if they did any of the above.

[Lilly12]

I disagree with these attorneys,this is not the standard for the family members of Casey,she needs an attorney! The grandparents and the brother lawyer up now? The only reason they need to lawyer up is because they,they made conflicting statements,they obstructed the investigation,by not giving caylee's hair brush,the grandmother purposely with held it.Brother Lee,visits Casey and they speak in code,to do his own investigation,he also advises Casey to write to them,so she can communicate with them,so the police won't know what she is telling them,maybe the truth and where she hide caylee's body.


I so agree....... I just got on, so maybe this has been addressed already...............One of the lawyers, and I believe it was the Anthonys, said, something to the effect, (regarding Lee A),........ is it OBSTRUCTION OF JUSTICE OR PARALLEL INVESTIGATING..........
Now I guess they are trying to rewrite the english language. Talk about a spin!!!!.......Did anyone catch this........And if so, what do the great minds out there think of this spin......... I think it is the mother of all spins, or at least close......Please comment, please. ....... I want to know if I am the only one taken back by this analogy. moo

[bchand]

I've been doing my best to read back all the pages from today, they add up quickly, just wondering if anyone has heard anymore on the detectives announcement? I can't seem to find if it is in fact still happening and/or when? Thank you - and sorry if it's already been posted and I didn't find it............

Not yet MandyMia - http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

I keep checking the local papers for info about the hearing that was to take place this morning also. Nothing yet on that either.

[ishkabibble]

I agree - None of it makes sense.

It doesn't make sense, but statistically children who are murdered are generally found within a very close distance to their home. I don't have a link but I heard some of the Talking Heads chatting on one of the news shows about this.

[Rayosunshine]

....and cynthia and george as her parents know this BETTER THEN ANYONE.


Right, and I think they knew a whole lot more than we may never learn about.

[Neffy]

I'm not so hard on them about "covering up" because I've yet to be convinced that their "covering up" hindered the process of justice against Casey, OR finding the body. Casey's in jail, I have no doubt she'll be convicted, and Caylee's remains were found and will be buried. It's not as if anything the Anthonys have said or done have changed or will change the actual dynamics of the case. That's really the bottom line for me. That and the fact that they have lost a precious granddaughter and it's the fault of their daughter, both of whom they loved dearly. THAT'S a nightmare I can't imagine.

As long as the LE didn't listen to the Anthony's and didn't allow them to affect their investigation in the end it's acceptable?

Well LE/FBI did listen not saying they believed but they had to listen. They had to follow up and rule what they said out to proceed.

LE/FBI not only had to listen to there statements but had to muddle thru hearsay and second hand nonsense as the Anthony's compounded LE/FBI investigators by putting on there own investigation having them to weed thru more.

Everytime the Anthony's showed up they had LE/FBI stop doing their job and how they were trained to do that job as the Anthony's thought their investigation took precedence.

The Anthony's will not effect the outcome and "why is that?"

Because the Anthony's no longer can lead LE/FBI away from the place where Caylee was found and the evidence gathered and collected by going around the Anthony's.

Their trying though LOL if they're giving immunity they have more?

OH please.

IMO, no thanks.

[st777jo]

I've noticed that too.

Oh but when something she says "fits".....we hear "there's always a little bit of truth in all of Casey's lies." :lol:

Interesting! :blink:

Well Savannah and Mal, I personally don't believe anything that comes out of any of the a's mouths.
jmo, jo

[Ladyhawk]

Well lets see, do you believe Cindy choked Casey, because that came from Casey.

Do you believe her brother touched her, because Casey said that too, and it goes on and on.

So why anyone here takes Caseys words as truth and applies them towards this case is very troubling.

People believe some of what she says because her mother, who knows her better than anyone, took the stand in the bond hearing and said whenever Casey lies to me she is telling the truth and because Cindy in one of the jailhouse visits, said she forgave her for anything she had said, to which Casey replied that she hadn't said anything.....why would Cindy forgive Casey for lies? I don't think she would because Cindy told Casey from the get go that it was her lies that put her in jail. So, if she's not forgiving her for her lies, what else is left that she could have possibly said....

[Duckaroo]

I agree.:thumbup:

Bingo! ITA as well...they knew her better than all of us.

[Cury-us Coyote]

CASAREZ: You know, we had this issue in the O.J. Simpson case in Las Vegas, Nevada, and the question -- the issue came down to intent. Was it the intent of the defense team to make the private investigator or the bail bondsman part of the defense team, or did he stand alone?

But there`s another issue because this private investigator went from the defense team to working for George and Caylee -- Cindy Anthony. And if he divulged anything that was even remotely privileged, that privilege is then broken and there is no privilege if he were to be questioned by law enforcement, right, Gloria Allred?

ALLRED: Well, I mean, he`s not the one who`s the holder of the privilege. The client is the holder of the privilege. So you know, he should not have divulged anything that he learned as an attorney-client communication.
http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/30/ng.01.html

[destiny1]

Excellent post, my thoughts exactly. there is no way she could keep up the facade of single mother, event planner, college student, partyer, girlfriend. Once Amy realized she had stolen her checkbook and wiped her out that whole group of friends would have dropped her. Maybe that's why William Waters was getting so much attention, fresh territory, it might be why she was talking to Mark Hawkins in CA, perhaps a move was in her future.
I believe that this is a possibility. However, knowing casey, she would probably have had some dire emergency, and couldn't get money from work, and parents had to cover her deductions and insurance, Thus she couldn't get the emergency money from them. Although she did other things that were visible with the money, being Casey and having some kind of random train of thought, shw would try it.

[Barbara fl.]

Well barbara, though I don't agree with you, I respect your opinion and I also very much appreciate your respect for other's opinions. I've never seen you literally bash anyone for not thinking as you do.


Thank you for that ....I try not to...everyone has a different outlook on this case...understandably so....that's what makes them good discussions......

[SavannahStar]

The choking part came from Rick, Cindy's brother. As told to him from his Mother who Cindy had told what happened. Thus the reason the lies right off the bat from Cindy. She did not want anyone to know she had kicked Casey out. It was more important to Cindy that she act like they were the "leave it beaver" family than to get to the bottom of where Caylee was...

I've heard different things about where the reports of the choking incident came from......

But even so....how would that have changed the case? IF Cindy had told LE early on that she tried to choke Casey? Would we be further along? Would we have any more evidence that Casey killed Caylee? Would Caylee's body have been found sooner?

[Cury-us Coyote]

The choking part came from Rick, Cindy's brother. As told to him from his Mother who Cindy had told what happened. Thus the reason the lies right off the bat from Cindy. She did not want anyone to know she had kicked Casey out. It was more important to Cindy that she act like they were the "leave it beaver" family than to get to the bottom of where Caylee was...

Please direct me to an email page number which confirms this. TIA

[PuffDragon]

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But I will never believe that this was an accident....no more then Lacy was murdered by accident and then Scott got scared and covered up....... JMO[/quote]

I am still waiting for something to push me one way or another on that. Her subsequent behavior doesn't prove anything to me except that was the way Casey responded to the event, however it went down. I need real evidence. I'm not being obstinate, I just having seen anything provable yet. I guess I'll have to wait for the trial.

[callmetree]

good post barbara and i tend to agree with you on everything you said, guess i'll be taking heat over this also, HAPPY BIRTHDAY BARSKIN!!

[destiny1]

I've heard different things about where the reports of the choking incident came from......

But even so....how would that have changed the case? IF Cindy had told LE early on that she tried to choke Casey? Would we be further along? Would we have any more evidence that Casey killed Caylee? Would Caylee's body have been found sooner?

I can see a situation there. If cindy had admitted this, and caylee's body had been found choked, then although Cindy would have never admitted to choking Caylee, she would then have been under automatic suspicion. This is only a scenario.

[Texas48]

I can't see it myself. Why move her and leave her so close to the house? Why not place her in a container, load her into one of the cars (inside the garage), and drive far away? It doesn't make sense to me.:shrug:
ITA BlueHeron. IF ... anyone moved Caylee's litle body IMO they would have moved it to where No one would have ever found this child. If someone had the opportunity to move her body then they would have had the time to dispose of it ANYWHERE and not in a spot where it was found. IMO there is a lot of evidense w/Caylee's body. The entire family knows this and probably would have thought of that as well. jmo

[SavannahStar]

I am still waiting for something to push me one way or another on that. Her subsequent behavior doesn't prove anything to me except that was the way Casey responded to the event, however it went down. I need real evidence. I'm not being obstinate, I just having seen anything provable yet. I guess I'll have to wait for the trial.

At least we agree on this much.

[i_pickle]

What strikes me about Cindy's denial about Casey and her involvement in Caylee's death is not her desire to side with her daughter as much as her desire to look entirely blameless in the whole situation. She seems to play the martyr role. In my experience with people that cling to that role, it's usually been for one of two reasons, or both. 1.) they are wracked with guilt, or 2.) they aren't capable of self reflection and in their mind they are absolved from any personal responsibility.

Imo, Cindy is just as self-centered as Casey is.

[Lilly12]

I am very strongely against giving the Anthonys immunity......... Cindy will never, never say or do anything (in a court room), that will get her daughter convicted and perhaps a life sentence...............Cindy could tell them some things, and then get on the stand and tell/say nothing incriminating against Casey............ I believe I have seen that done before..........And the prosecution can to do nothing.......And besides, I don't think they need her at this point. They have her on tape......moo

[Mimi428]

As long as the LE didn't listen to the Anthony's and didn't allow them to affect their investigation in the end it's acceptable?


I don't think that would be 'acceptable' in the moral sense, but if the DA can get a solid conviction of Casey, I don't think LE will believe it is worth the time, effort & MONEY to bring charges against the rest of the Anthony family. Lee, maybe. But I don't see the benefit to the DA to bring charges against George & Cindy - only to have a defense attorney stand in front of a jury & remind them that the KILLER is in JAIL - & that George & Cindy were simply out of their minds with grief when they did whatever they did.

Now if LE thinks any of them had a hand in committing the literal murder - that would be a horse of a different color. If Casey cannot be convicted, I think that would change the thinking of what to ultimately do with the rest of the Anthonys. But if Casey is found guilty of 1st degree murder - I don't think the DA will believe there is any great need to initiate charges, lock up the grandparents & bring them to trial & have them spend time in jail.

JMO

[bchand]

What strikes me about Cindy's denial about Casey and her involvement in Caylee's death is not her desire to side with her daughter as much as her desire to look entirely blameless in the whole situation. She seems to play the martyr role. In my experience with people that cling to that role, it's usually been for one of two reasons, or both. 1.) they are wracked with guilt, or 2.) they aren't capable of self reflection and in their mind they are absolved from any personal responsibility.

Imo, Cindy is just as self-centered as Casey is.

Oh definitely i_pickle - all along it's been about Cindy.

[MandyMia]

Not yet MandyMia - http://www.wftv.com/news/18411813/detail.html

I keep checking the local papers for info about the hearing that was to take place this morning also. Nothing yet on that either.




Thank you BC - I've been on fox 35 , wesh , etc hoping they'd make mention - nothing even on cnn - or court tv - I'll keep looking too - I do miss stuff so I wanted to make sure.

[happygert]

People believe some of what she says because her mother, who knows her better than anyone, took the stand in the bond hearing and said whenever Casey lies to me she is telling the truth and because Cindy in one of the jailhouse visits, said she forgave her for anything she had said, to which Casey replied that she hadn't said anything.....why would Cindy forgive Casey for lies? I don't think she would because Cindy told Casey from the get go that it was her lies that put her in jail. So, if she's not forgiving her for her lies, what else is left that she could have possibly said....


She also said we forgive you for anything you've said or DONE. 'Mom I haven't said anything"

[MandyMia]

Please direct me to an email page number which confirms this. TIA


I only heard this while listening to Jessie Grund's LE statement - you can find it there - he said Casey had called him and told him her fight with her mother escalated and Casey said Cindy choked her.

IIRC IMO

[openminded]

She's had plenty of time to take a poly.

Cindy isn't disabled.

I don't disagree but that's the spin on it and I will be very surprised if it ever changes.

[SandyO]

You are so right....They will be coming up with another theory to try and clear their daughter...no doubt....And with Linda Baden on the case, I can assure you it will be a dilly.......And the Anthony's will go along with ANY excuse at all if there is a slightest chance that Casey will get off.......

I think that is the reason that they probably will not hold a public ceromony for Caylee....they don't want to face the public at all...because they know the lies have just begun.......

I find that I am almost dreading their next words, and yet I am anxious to hear them at the same time. I feel almost certain they will still be trying to exonerate Casey from any blame, however they can do that, because there's no saving Caylee now, only saving Casey.

[SavannahStar]

I only heard this while listening to Jessie Grund's LE statement - you can find it there - he said Casey had called him and told him her fight with her mother escalated and Casey said Cindy choked her.

IIRC IMO

But DianeA said it came from Rick. I think that was Cury's question.