Saturday January 3/08 - Morning Part 1

[Rayosunshine]

I just wonder why if the duct tape isn't a fact LE hasn't corrected NG, Greta and everyone else that is stating it as fact.

My guess is, LE doesn't have to correct the misinformation. They are saving the info/facts for the jury.

[funkyflower]

Speaking of EZpasses, wasn't there a 2 hour time gap on George's EZpass on 6-24, when he should have been at work? It was as if he went to work, was at work for a while, then left for a little while and then returned to work and then went home after work. I seem to recall this being noted, around the same time I heard that Cindy's car didn't show up on the EZpass that day George supposedly followed Casey.

It seems like someone took the time to make a good timeline with these things on it, and for the life of me I cannot find it again.

I think its very telling when you find yourself chasing your daughter down an interstate to see what she is doing before there's ever any indication that a child is missing even......

[5boxersmom]

ITA, When Cindy said, is there anything you would like to say to Zanny, the look on Casey's face was like WTH, And I always found that odd that Cindy would ask that, Cindy had never even heard of Zanny before this.

Yeah at that point I wonder if it was all for the camera taping them?

Talking about Zanny.

[Rayosunshine]

They've also cashed in with photos and videos to ABC. Steff posted a whole bunch of photos of Caylee last night that have "exclusive property of ABC" stamped on them.

Media offered money because they have a public to safisfy and bills to pay.

[NYGalPal]

I have been wondering what the supporters of the Anthony family admire so much? Is it the way they raised Casey to be accountable for her actions? Is it how they set an example of being honest? What does this tell you about the way they enabled the odious creature?

Ryan Pasley: 6/30 pg. 31 http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html Cindy "called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn't want me to get hurt because she's been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn't want me to get hurt, you know."

Richard Grund pg. 45 same link above. Richard also confronted Cindy about her having said how special Casey was when in fact she had repaid Jesse $250.00 with a bad check. According to Richard her reply was "well, she only did it once".

Nathan pg 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202321-2400%20f.pdf "her mother looks at Tony and I and says, "I hope you guys are rich because she's going take you for everything you have." When Lee came to Tony's apt. he said "She's a pro at this" "She has become a pro at passing back checks." "Not to scare you all, but you might want to just check your own accounts and make sure she hasn't taken anything from your accounts, or taken any of your belongings."

I could go on but saving bandwith. MOO

I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

[happygert]

Holy cow I have got to quit getting a snack before I wheel my self up to the 'puter. Ack!

Sorry Neffy......

[Rayosunshine]

I read in the link above "they are waiting for the second autopsy the defense wants". It doesn't take that long.

Could it be that the individual/s who will perform the second exam (not autopsy) is not available until after the holidays? In this case it will take as long as it takes.

[5boxersmom]

It seems like someone took the time to make a good timeline with these things on it, and for the life of me I cannot find it again.

I think its very telling when you find yourself chasing your daughter down an interstate to see what she is doing before there's ever any indication that a child is missing even......

Is this it?

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm

[Rayosunshine]

I know. I just posted about this. My complaint is it doesn't take that long to do an autopsy. They could have made funeral arrangements in the mean time, but are waaaaaaaaaaaaay too busy thinking about themselves.

The Anthony's may have already made arrangements for a funeral, but none of that information is being made public.

[SavannahStar]

Okay, I get so riled up about this. I don't see how anyone can defend a grandparent that makes a joke about giving LE the dog's toothbrush rather than Caylee's. That speaks volumes!!!!!! That, right there, in a nutshell, tells me all I need to know about Cindy. Oh, I could use some choice words about her right now. Wow, I don't usually get this bad.

Could someone tell me how you can stick up for a person that did this? And how about everything else she did.

I don't know what I would do in her shoes. I don't know how I would react but I sure as heck know I wouldn't have said anything like that.

Re the toothbrush comment......do we have that information from anywhere/anyone OTHER than Leonard Padilla?

[Neffy]

From all of us working parents...THANK YOU NEFFY

YVW!

FYI, grass isn't greener on the other side. LOL! I thought it would be but there's pros and cons. When I said fortunate I meant fortunate to be given the choice. Others given the choice may have chosen outside the home. Just a different lifestyle.

[dixie77]

I'm not too surprised at the results, most of the people here have been around since the beginning of this and have looked at a lot more information then will ever be used in the trial. Maybe by the end of this year we will know if the results of the poll were right or not.

JMO
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Could i please get the link for the poll? TIA

[5boxersmom]

:confused:

Daycare tossed? I've been fortunate as to have a commutable job working from home. I'd never insult anyone for having a need for daycare. A few of my sisters worked at a daycare putting themselves thru school. They treated these kids with the utmost care.

Putting kids in daycare does not equate unloved.

Maybe just maybe if she had been in a Daycare someone might have realized she was missing before 31 days.

jmo

[runnnempty]

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Nathan pg 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202321-2400%20f.pdf "her mother looks at Tony and I and says, "I hope you guys are rich because she's going take you for everything you have." When Lee came to Tony's apt. he said "She's a pro at this" "She has become a pro at passing back checks." "Not to scare you all, but you might want to just check your own accounts and make sure she hasn't taken anything from your accounts, or taken any of your belongings."

I could go on but saving bandwith. MOO

Cindy was probably right, Casey did have a bag of garbage from Tone's, maybe she was filtering through it to get information off of receipts to add to her back up plan money.

[Rayosunshine]

tip jars asking for donations? same as mooching to me, lol

More power to them. moo

[forensicfan]

:confused:

Daycare tossed? I've been fortunate as to have a commutable job working from home. I'd never insult anyone for having a need for daycare. A few of my sisters worked at a daycare putting themselves thru school. They treated these kids with the utmost care.

Putting kids in daycare does not equate unloved.

Thank you Neffy. You said what was on my mind. I had to work myself when my kids were small. My husband's job at the time had no insurance. I had the medical insurance. I also had been at my job for a very long time and made more money so I had to work though I did not want to.

I was fortunate to have a babysitter that was very good to my kids. She had been babysitting her home for 10 years at the time I hired her. I was referenced to her from my neighbor who had a child in her care.

My parents as well as my husband's parents who live an hour away from us had the address and phone number of the babysitter. My parents even picked up my daughter for me so they would know where she was during the day and that she was being cared for responsibly.

I did not like having to work. I wanted to stay home! I just could not afford to.

[*MoonRider*]

Imo Baez dont want any videos done of his client. Dont mean to rehash old stuff but....From casey's commissary orders has only once order tampons .. Ok she's been in jail since Oct 14th. this is Jan 3rd shouldn't she have ordered these more then once?:w00t: MY DIL didnt know she was pregnant the first month ....:w00t:
I keep hearing that she ordered them but have never seen a link.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Current Judge CHANGED

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
Current Judge: ADAMS, JOHN H SR

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/index.shtml

[NYGalPal]

Could it be that the individual/s who will perform the second exam (not autopsy) is not available until after the holidays? In this case it will take as long as it takes.

Nooooooooo, really? :lol:

[dixie77]

maybe just maybe if she had been in a daycare someone might have realized she was missing before 31 days.

Jmo
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best post of the day, week, month

[I'mRight]

I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

I think you are reading too much into this. I go back and forth on the Anthonys and see how the 2 viewpoints are equally plausible. I see people on both sides of the issue overly committed to their point of view, as though it were the gospel truth. As someone who flip-flops, I will say that there is logic in both sides of the debate. I think you are being misguided and unfair in your post.

[happygert]

I keep hearing that she ordered them but have never seen a link.

me either...scary if you ask me

[forensicfan]

Forensicfan, I just read your post above and I didn't really want to copy it because I feel that what you did was just an outstanding piece of detective work! I have been bothered by that first telephone call between Casey and Cindy where she is saying "I saw your cameo" and then where she is saying "I've been arrested on a whim"....you know the one I am talking about? I would like to know your thoughts and a breakdown of that conversation as well. Something in that conversation is bothering the heck out of me. I would like to know from your POV. Will you do your think and post???? I'll be looking.

Awww, thank you January. I have to find that call and re-read it. My mind went into overdrive when I heard Cindy say, "casey....." and I didn't listen to it further. LOL!

I didn't notice any of these things when it was being broadcast in real time. When I saw them on the timeline, it was like having an instant comparison.

Do you know where I can find the link to that phone call?

[MalloryCat]

I have been wondering what the supporters of the Anthony family admire so much? Is it the way they raised Casey to be accountable for her actions? Is it how they set an example of being honest? What does this tell you about the way they enabled the odious creature?

Ryan Pasley: 6/30 pg. 31 http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html Cindy "called me and told me not to talk to Casey because she didn't want me to get hurt because she's been lying about a lot of stuff, and put her in, stole money from her and her grandmother. And she doesn't want me to get hurt, you know."

Richard Grund pg. 45 same link above. Richard also confronted Cindy about her having said how special Casey was when in fact she had repaid Jesse $250.00 with a bad check. According to Richard her reply was "well, she only did it once".

Nathan pg 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/Stories/Local/Anthony%20pgs%202321-2400%20f.pdf "her mother looks at Tony and I and says, "I hope you guys are rich because she's going take you for everything you have." When Lee came to Tony's apt. he said "She's a pro at this" "She has become a pro at passing back checks." "Not to scare you all, but you might want to just check your own accounts and make sure she hasn't taken anything from your accounts, or taken any of your belongings."

I could go on but saving bandwith. MOO

So in your mind having compassion for a family that is mourning a dead 2 year old is now admiring?

[Katt2]

I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

I have been defending the Anthony's but I have never posted on the Natalie Holloway boards so I think you need to choose your wording more carefully next time.

[happygert]

Current Judge CHANGED

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
Current Judge: ADAMS, JOHN H SR

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

NO don't tell me Judge Strickland is not going to be the Judge on this case....<<<<<<<<<pulling my hair out>>>>>>>>>

[Neffy]

Maybe just maybe if she had been in a Daycare someone might have realized she was missing before 31 days.

jmo

OH so many maybe's. You don't reallize until you think about it what a vulnerable age that is to fall off the map.

There was really nothing around me to send a toddler to. I mean sure we had library programs we attended and in the summer swimming lessons. But the library programs were not sign up, you went at a certain time they offered something or didn't. Swimming yes that was registration but that was like 4 -6 weeks.

Now my sister lives out in NV and they have that gymboree, swimming all year programs and that type of thing. But even now, when someone one is pulled out or doesn't re-register there can be so many reasons the economy being a major facter.

Until they are entered in regular school which is mandated that age will always remain vulnerable.

[NYGalPal]

I think you are reading too much into this. I go back and forth on the Anthonys and see how the 2 viewpoints are equally plausible. I see people on both sides of the issue overly committed to their point of view, as though it were the gospel truth. As someone who flip-flops, I will say that there is logic in both sides of the debate. I think you are being misguided and unfair in your post.

Your opinion right? I have mine and I do believe you missed the point of my post. That's ok, it happens.

[sunstar]

I agree with what you are saying. And I have posted before how child like Casey acts. She was complaining about the slaw and yucky mayonnaise in jail. Saying she was not crying, just reading. Never have I seen her cry because her child is gone. She wants to come home and be with Mommy and Daddy. Nothing about being with Caylee. That all sounds so much like a 10 year old that is unhappy with their circumstances. Not a young adult who in any way thinks they have done anything wrong.

I've noticed in the videos she's mostly crying for herself, whining about wanting to be home and seeming to want Caylee home too but it looks moe like an act than sincere. MOO

[Calla]

IA- I have to run now and take my 13 year old to the airport- but in response. IMOO- the only person that Casey has feelings for is George. If the request that Casey had made to I believe it was Beary (not sure who) about wanting to meet with her father had been granted I truly believe that she would have broke. IMO- she needed George to understand that this had nothing to do with him and that he is not to blame. She feels sorry for George- not that she will not lash out at him if he steps in the way- but George is the weakest link because he is the who makes her break down emotionally. i will leave you with that and I will be back later-

I agree with this. I said her responses to him and him alone versus when he is there withher mom in the visits are very different. He would pull out his detective lines and cover them with some caring daddy and grandpa and Casey would respond.
I can see where he would state he would like to see her face and know she is okay.
Bet if that could happen she would tell him the truth....but it wont happen.
Too bad too because if I were in their position, all I would need now is the truth

[Ladyhawk]

Cindy was probably right, Casey did have a bag of garbage from Tone's, maybe she was filtering through it to get information off of receipts to add to her back up plan money.

The total amount of garbage in the car has never been stated. There was one bag (I believe this was the bag from Tony's) that was removed at the impound lot by Birch. Then there was another bag of garbage that George gave to LE...George retrieved this bag from his garbage. Then there was supposedly food boxes that Henry Lee found in the car. The second bag, the one that George handed over to LE, I am assuming, was a bag of loose garbage that was cleaned out of the car once they got it back to the house. I have just never heard what all was in the second bag of trash.... The garbage that Henry Lee mentions, I don't know where this was located...maybe he's talking about the first bag, the one with the maggots, but I thought that bag was still at whatever agency was doing the maggot tests.

[happygert]

I haven't heard that any of the Anthony's were arrested today. Another day.. and still no arrest.
hmm

UMM another day still no funeral for Caylee ummmm. No funeral Yet 13 days have past since remain were released.. Over 6 and 1/2 months since her death...:thumbdown:

[funkyflower]

Is this it?

http://www.acandyrose.com/caylee_anthony_transcripts.htm


Thank you very much! I don't think its what I saw, its much better :thumbup:

[I'mRight]

Your opinion right? I have mine and I do believe you missed the point of my post. That's ok, it happens.

No I don't think that I missed the point that it was a bad post. Sorry, it was an awful post, and I flip-flop on the Anthonys.

[Rayosunshine]

You might you read all the way back from early this a.m. This has been discussed. Good luck.


Thanks, but I am really not interested in that subject. I really don't care how much money is made. Actually, more power to them if the media wants to pay up.

[NYGalPal]

I have been defending the Anthony's but I have never posted on the Natalie Holloway boards so I think you need to choose your wording more carefully next time.

I wasn't referring to you. Actually you are one of the most respectful defenders of the Anthony's.

[Neffy]

I keep hearing that she ordered them but have never seen a link.

The closest I've come is a poster "thought" she'd remembered seeing them ordered but couldn't not state as fact. I was hanging on her thought. :scared:

[dvsone]

IA- I have to run now and take my 13 year old to the airport- but in response. IMOO- the only person that Casey has feelings for is George. If the request that Casey had made to I believe it was Beary (not sure who) about wanting to meet with her father had been granted I truly believe that she would have broke. IMO- she needed George to understand that this had nothing to do with him and that he is not to blame. She feels sorry for George- not that she will not lash out at him if he steps in the way- but George is the weakest link because he is the who makes her break down emotionally. i will leave you with that and I will be back later-

huh? She has no feelings.
Or I guess I should qualify that with, she seems to have no feelings.

[forensicfan]

Originally Posted by NYGalPal View Post
I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

Praising the bad? I don't think I'm praising the Anthony's in any way. I just don't think they had a hand in their granddaughter's death. I do think they took measures to cover it up later after they realized that the evidence was pointing to a dead rather than alive Caylee but I don't think they helped kill the child and I don't think they knew about it before Cindy made that phone call. In fact, I think if they did KNOW that Caylee was dead and were trying to help Casey get away with it, I don't think she would have called police at all!

As for the Holloway's, I feel very badly for this family who lost their beautiful daughter and I think they did everything they could to find her. I don't think any of what they did was wrong at all. They still are trying to find answers and I would be too!

[Rayosunshine]

IMO, she never wanted her, no even while she was in her belly..
She never loved or liked her, imo...

And, don't forget, it was reported that Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption, but Cindy wouldn't allow it. BIG MISTAKE!

[happygert]

I've noticed in the videos she's mostly crying for herself, whining about wanting to be home and seeming to want Caylee home too but it looks moe like an act than sincere. MOO

Like Caylee's an after thought.

[NYGalPal]

No I don't think that I missed the point that it was a bad post. Sorry, it was an awful post, and I flip-flop on the Anthonys.

Sorry you don't understand. Skip and scroll.

[dvsone]

:blink::blink::blink:

Thanks, but I am really not interested in that subject. I really don't care how much money is made. Actually, more power to them if the media wants to pay up.

[Rayosunshine]

I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

I didn't follow the Holloway case on the boards.

[dixie77]

Here it is again

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347292
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Thanks, MrLucky

[Neffy]

No I don't think that I missed the point that it was a bad post. Sorry, it was an awful post, and I flip-flop on the Anthonys.

Post Critique?

I'm sure a thumbs up or down would have sufficed.

Any thoughts about Marley & Me Ah never mind. LOL

[Rayosunshine]

Re the toothbrush comment......do we have that information from anywhere/anyone OTHER than Leonard Padilla?


Unsure, but I think it is time for Lenny's LDT.

[NYGalPal]

Originally Posted by NYGalPal View Post
I had an aha moment in my car a bit ago. The same posters who are defending the Anthony's are the very same ones who attempted to crucify the Hollaway family on and off message boards, especially the mother for trying to find out what happened to Natalie whom they adored. This family didn't sit around telling others they should be out looking for Nat, they did.

Without repeating what we already know about the Anthony's.

Doesn't this behavior seem strange? Praise the bad and crucify the good?

Praising the bad? I don't think I'm praising the Anthony's in any way. I just don't think they had a hand in their granddaughter's death. I do think they took measures to cover it up later after they realized that the evidence was pointing to a dead rather than alive Caylee but I don't think they helped kill the child and I don't think they knew about it before Cindy made that phone call. In fact, I think if they did KNOW that Caylee was dead and were trying to help Casey get away with it, I don't think she would have called police at all!

As for the Holloway's, I feel very badly for this family who lost their beautiful daughter and I think they did everything they could to find her. I don't think any of what they did was wrong at all. They still are trying to find answers and I would be too!

I should have named whom I was referring to. You said you felt bad for the Holloways, so how is my comment directed towards you?

[Katt2]

I wasn't referring to you. Actually you are one of the most respectful defenders of the Anthony's.

Thank you. I try to appreciate everyone's opinion even if it differs greatly from my own. If I can't find a way to respectfully state my differences I don't post.

[Rayosunshine]

Current Judge CHANGED

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
Current Judge: ADAMS, JOHN H SR

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

http://www.ninthcircuit.org/judges/circuit_judges/index.shtml

So the other judge did step down. Was he retiring? can't remember.

[*MoonRider*]

The closest I've come is a poster "thought" she'd remembered seeing them ordered but couldn't not state as fact. I was hanging on her thought. :scared:

I stayed up one night until nearly 3:00 am waiting for the actual link. :rolleyes:

[sunstar]

UMM another day still no funeral for Caylee ummmm. No funeral Yet 13 days have past since remain were released.. Over 6 and 1/2 months since her death...:thumbdown:

Since it was going to be a private funeral could it have already happened and the media didn't get any news about it? :confused: I too would think the defense should be through with the 2nd autopsy since there are only bones and not much from the ME's report to challenge. MOO

[OneUp]

The closest I've come is a poster "thought" she'd remembered seeing them ordered but couldn't not state as fact. I was hanging on her thought. :scared:Before every panics...remember that she could have always been "irregular" ( that would explain the whole 7 months preg. before anyone knew). She could also be in the pill or taking depo shots. I have a friend who has no periosd due to that and I think it's common ( I wouldn't know firsthand). There are many reasons she may not order tampax...maybe she doesn't care and takes what is given, maybe she would rather use her funds for Reeses cups?
I'm not even going *there* until the fact looks me in the face. Even then, I am comforted by the following two things:
1). She will be in jail and won't "parent" any baby.
2). There is a pretty known and defined pool of potential fathers. Unless they are completely uninterested, I would think THEY would have first chance at raising or adopting out any child she would have.
JMO.

[Calla]

And, don't forget, it was reported that Casey wanted to give Caylee up for adoption, but Cindy wouldn't allow it. BIG MISTAKE!

And that was straight from Casey's mouth...



If it came from someone other that her I would like to read about it.

[Cury-us Coyote]

So the other judge did step down. Was he retiring? can't remember.

IIRC, just a normal annual judge rotation.
jmo

[happygert]

I guess you have a point. I just don't see it.

YOU DONT SEE IT? No i guess you wouldn't.. Let me explain it better.. Caylee has been dead for almost 7 months. She has still not
been put to rest.. She's still lying on a cold slab in funeral home :angry: I guess they see no rush in puttting her to rest. By the same token maybe neither does the LE they already have the evidence...

[forensicfan]

I have to go for a bit. I just wanted to say that as far as Casey not wanting her child while she was pregnant, I agree that she never wanted her and still didn't after she was born. TonE said in his interview that Casey was talking about getting her own place and living without Caylee because she was 22, blah blah. She seemed to think Caylee was a burden and I think when Cindy kicked her out after the fight, she thought she would be "stuck" taking care of her herself and didn't want to.

[WillowInFlight]

Since it was going to be a private funeral could it have already happened and the media didn't get any news about it? :confused: I too would think the defense should be through with the 2nd autopsy since there are only bones and not much from the ME's report to challenge. MOO

According to a link that was posted earlier, George said the funeral has not taken place. So who knows.

[I'mRight]

Post Critique?

I'm sure a thumbs up or down would have sufficed.

Any thoughts about Marley & Me Ah never mind. LOL

Well that one deserved it.

Cheers.

[Rayosunshine]

And that was straight from Casey's mouth...



If it came from someone other that her I would like to read about it.

I don't think we heard it from Casey's mouth. I think it was Kio Marie who said that, during her interview with LE. But, I could be wrong.

[WillowInFlight]

I have to go for a bit. I just wanted to say that as far as Casey not wanting her child while she was pregnant, I agree that she never wanted her and still didn't after she was born. TonE said in his interview that Casey was talking about getting her own place and living without Caylee because she was 22, blah blah. She seemed to think Caylee was a burden and I think when Cindy kicked her out after the fight, she thought she would be "stuck" taking care of her herself and didn't want to.

Do we know for a fact Cindy "kicked" her out?

[happygert]

So the other judge did step down. Was he retiring? can't remember.

I thought Judge Stricland was going to hear this case any way.... DAMMM dammmm double dammmmmm.

[dmh]

Happy new year to all!!

How I was raised:

First job I ever got...had to start paying room and board..not much but at least something... even if just to buy my favorite foods.

When I lived under my parents house, it's their rules or your out of here.

The better pay I received the room and board was raised.

If I got pregnant...there would be he!! to pay.

I would be told to start getting my life and plans in order. You can stay here and my parents would help but there would be conditions, or leave.

Conditions would be:

Go after the father!!!!

Have a steady job

pay room and board..not much, because they would want me to save some money for the future....but....

Buy food once in a while, diapers,clothes, meds, etc. and they would have asked about health ins. regarding my child. Who is paying for that? Your Job? Your boyfriend?

Who is watching my child while I am at work, and how do we (gm and gp) reach the babysitter in an emergancy if something happened to you.. They would like to meet or at least invite the babysitter to a birthday, christmas...etc.If not at least have a pic of the babysitter. No one can be trusted today. not even close family.

What is Caylee's future?...Education? How far? Who is going to pay for all that? Set up a trust fund for her education? who is paying for that?

I asked my mother what she would have done or asked and I agree with her, I would have done the same.

Casey's lied about everything or Cindy and George never asked. But some of the questions here need to be answered..such as health ins.? Who took Caylee for her check-ups.? Shots.? etc.

Did casey lie and said my job dosen't carry it? Who paid for the delivery of sweet Caylee? Cindy and George?

I'm sorry..I could just keep going on with more questions.
Please excuse the rant and raving and I will now go back to lurking.
This is JMO anyway

[dvsone]

Post Critique?

I'm sure a thumbs up or down would have sufficed.

Any thoughts about Marley & Me Ah never mind. LOL


on fiyah today? :lol:

How odd would it be if Casey were pregnant?

I wonder who you would have to see about getting an abortion while in jail?

[sunstar]

Like Caylee's an after thought.

And like "oh I should pretend I'm upset she's gone because I'm being videotaped". :sneaky: MOO

[Neffy]

Thank you Neffy. You said what was on my mind. I had to work myself when my kids were small. My husband's job at the time had no insurance. I had the medical insurance. I also had been at my job for a very long time and made more money so I had to work though I did not want to.

I was fortunate to have a babysitter that was very good to my kids. She had been babysitting her home for 10 years at the time I hired her. I was referenced to her from my neighbor who had a child in her care.

My parents as well as my husband's parents who live an hour away from us had the address and phone number of the babysitter. My parents even picked up my daughter for me so they would know where she was during the day and that she was being cared for responsibly.

I did not like having to work. I wanted to stay home! I just could not afford to.

YVM too! I don't like to work either. As a matter of fact, my father got ruffled that I hadn't done something yet but I was getting to it after working this morning. (he doesn't live with me either) and I flat out told him. I don't like to work DAD, it's my belief that I should have came from "old money" doing whatever I wanted whenever I please

He just laughed at me!

What's up with that? :w00t:

[Rayosunshine]

According to a link that was posted earlier, George said the funeral has not taken place. So who knows.

I would imagine that no information will be released concerning the funeral and/or interment. They may fear that Caylee's grave may be desecrated by some wackos.

[dixie77]

Originally Posted by happygert
UMM another day still no funeral for Caylee ummmm. No funeral Yet 13 days have past since remain were released.. Over 6 and 1/2 months since her death...
===================

For all we know, maybe the A's did bury (or cremated) Caylee already. Maybe very secretly.

[Calla]

I don't think we heard it from Casey's mouth. I think it was Kio Marie who said that, during her interview with LE. But, I could be wrong.

Oh yes

I am sure Casey told someone that or they are saying she did anyway.

Bet Casey had a different take on it when Caylee was born and Casey was getting baby showers thrown for her and she was center of attention

[sunstar]

According to a link that was posted earlier, George said the funeral has not taken place. So who knows.

Yes, who knows ~ exactly! MOO

[Cury-us Coyote]

I thought Judge Stricland was going to hear this case any way.... DAMMM dammmm double dammmmmm.


Will we see Judge Adams in action on Monday?

[Rayosunshine]

Do we know for a fact Cindy "kicked" her out?

Seems that was the rumor along with the supposed fact that Cindy had consulted a counselor about the situation and was advised to do so. Who knows?

[impartial]

Originally Posted by happygert
UMM another day still no funeral for Caylee ummmm. No funeral Yet 13 days have past since remain were released.. Over 6 and 1/2 months since her death...
===================

For all we know, maybe the A's did bury (or cremated) Caylee already. Maybe very secretly.


I hope that whatever they do, it is very secretly ... I can just picture them trying to go to Caylee's final resting place, and being stalked by the media.

:angry:

[Rayosunshine]

Will see Judge Adams in action on Monday?

What's up for Monday, Cury?

[playnice]

on fiyah today? :lol:

How odd would it be if Casey were pregnant?

I wonder who you would have to see about getting an abortion while in jail?

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:

[Neffy]

Happy new year to all!!

How I was raised:



SISTER IS THAT YOU?
:w00t:

I'll call you later about Dad harrassing me this morning. ROFL!

[NYGalPal]

Her remains aren't on a cold slab, believe me....They are contained in a respectful holding ....not that I dont think she should be put to rest permanently asap....but people have this horrible impression of that...

A respectable holding what? They are doing another autopsy.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I think it is well past time for Cindy & George to take their polygraphs.

If Cindy & George are offered immunity... they will most likely be taking polygraphs.

Isn't LA aboard the Requested Unlimited Immunity & Refused LDT train too?

[I'mRight]

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:

LOL. The baby would probably go to the father in the event of that happening.

[WillowInFlight]

Seems that was the rumor along with the supposed fact that Cindy had consulted a counselor about the situation and was advised to do so. Who knows?

Well if Cindy kicked her out after the fight, how did she "hear" them sleeping the next morning, and how did George see them?

[impartial]

I don't think we heard it from Casey's mouth. I think it was Kio Marie who said that, during her interview with LE. But, I could be wrong.


Kio Marie did say that ... but it has never been confirmed that Casey didn't want Caylee.

Jesse Grund said in an interview that the subject of adoption did come up, and Casey told him that she would never do that ... or words to that effect.

IMO

[playnice]

LOL. The baby would probably go to the father in the event of that happening.

If any of the guys stepped forward for testing. There were about 4 guys she was involved with when Caylee went missing.
The 2 Tonys, Jessie and Ricarado. (That we know of)

[nana6]

I keep hearing that she ordered them but have never seen a link.

Hi Moon, My hubby being a physician says that stress can screw up her cycle too. I would hope that she is under some stress!!!

[NYGalPal]

But until they do, the body is held in a contained area that is respectful...

You don't say what that is? I know where bodies go and it there is nothing respectable about it. Please don't make me type it.

[dvsone]

Her remains aren't on a cold slab, believe me....They are contained in a respectful holding ....not that I dont think she should be put to rest permanently asap....but people have this horrible impression of that...


Id guess they were not being held in something respectful. What is respectful to you? Being placed in a plastic bag of some sort, possibly labeled as to which bones they have been identified as?

UGH. No its not respectful. It is what it is. Its the body of a murdered child. Just waiting to be picked over yet again.

[WillowInFlight]

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:

I don't think that we have to worry about that, I doubt very seriously that Casey is pregnant.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Originally Posted by happygert
UMM another day still no funeral for Caylee ummmm. No funeral Yet 13 days have past since remain were released.. Over 6 and 1/2 months since her death...
===================

For all we know, maybe the A's did bury (or cremated) Caylee already. Maybe very secretly.

Status according to GA approx midnight 1/2/09

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[dixie77]

I don't think that we have to worry about that, I doubt very seriously that Casey is pregnant.
============

I titally agree with u.

[playnice]

I don't think that we have to worry about that, I doubt very seriously that Casey is pregnant.

I hope not. Dont need another twist in this already twisted case.

[OneUp]

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:
Any specific reason as to why you think that her baby would be given to the Anthony's (were there one..ugh! The thought!)?
They would not be next of kin...and if ( as some have shared they believe) IF they are so grief stricken and mentally unwell that they cannot face reality and cannot support themselves, than who in Hades would give them a baby? They are also "older" ( Don't get offended if you're their age, it DOES matter in court when placing children, but only to a degree,), George has an "injury" that has interfered with work for years ( it seems), they report themselves that their finances were strained already, and then I won't go into the way the family looks from a MH standpoint. THAT you either get or would argue about until the cows came home!
I think THIS time it would be pretty easy to line up potential fathers...ESPECIALLY if something happened while casey was out on bail!
The FATHER would have rights, and they wouldn't be nearly so easy to interrupt this time!
JMO.

[Neffy]

I stayed up one night until nearly 3:00 am waiting for the actual link. :rolleyes:

I do recall the night it was being discussed. I think it was oregongal that said she thought she'd seen it but couldn't be sure. I was really distressed and prayed her memory was good! Still am!

[Regina.Lampert]

Re the toothbrush comment......do we have that information from anywhere/anyone OTHER than Leonard Padilla?

IIRC, Padilla quoted the young woman Tracy, who was guarding casey anthony inside the anthony home. LE flew out to California to take her statement, lots of interesting information to look forward to at trial, imo.

[SavannahStar]

Status according to GA approx midnight 1/2/09

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Cury you are so good with links and facts.....I asked earlier (only got one response), if we heard the "dog's toothbrush" remark allegedly said by Cindy from anyone/any source other than Leonard Padilla? TIA. Just wondering how factual it is.

[kitty1182]

I hope not. Dont need another twist in this already twisted case.

I hope not too...Guess we will know in a few months if she is or not..

[Cury-us Coyote]

What's up for Monday, Cury?


1/5/2009 0930 MANUAL - TRIAL 23-A GENE MEDINA COURTROOM
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Apparently State's deadline to respond to Baez motion regarding ME evidence.
jmo

[WillowInFlight]

IIRC, Padilla quoted the young woman Tracy, who was guarding casey anthony inside the anthony home. LE flew out to California to take her statement, lots of interesting information to look forward to at trial, imo.

But IIRC didn't Tracy want immunity too?

[dixie77]

Status according to GA approx midnight 1/2/09

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1
==============

Thanks, Cury

[SavannahStar]

IIRC, Padilla quoted the young woman Tracy, who was guarding casey anthony inside the anthony home. LE flew out to California to take her statement, lots of interesting information to look forward to at trial, imo.


TY for that. Nothing other than that though? And Tracy has not verified it? We have not heard anything from her directly, that I can recall.

I agree, we will hear some interesting stuff.

[nana6]

I don't think that we have to worry about that, I doubt very seriously that Casey is pregnant.

Hi Willow, From your mouth to God's ears!!!!!

[sunstar]

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:

That would be assuming of course the baby's father, whoever he may be, didn't want to keep it? :shrug: MOO

[Neffy]

But until they do, the body is held in a contained area that is respectful...

Maybe I'm old school and traditional but there's nothing respectable about her remains lying in a morgue as her mother further uses them by keeping them there to try to get herself sprung from prison.

[SavannahStar]

I hope not too...Guess we will know in a few months if she is or not..

I don't think for one minute she's pregnant. I don't even know how that got started....makes me laugh though....

[Rayosunshine]

You don't say what that is? I know where bodies go and it there is nothing respectable about it. Please don't make me type it.


NYGalPal, those of us who have lost a child/children really do not appreciate your comment as posted. Your comment has nauseated me. I had to entrust my son's remains to the funeral home/crematory for almost a month before his remains were returned to me.

[happygert]

Her remains aren't on a cold slab, believe me....They are contained in a respectful holding ....not that I dont think she should be put to rest permanently asap....but people have this horrible impression of that...

MY MOM worked In a Funeral Home... . However you are probably right they are probably in a bag. no need for the cold slab...Do I need to say more.

[dvsone]

The remains MAY be in separate bags and because of the second autopsy are marked, but in many cases like this where there is a need to hold a body...and some are not in one piece...they are in temporary caskets...or maybe the Anthonys have paid for one already and she is placed there....It all depends...
do you have a link to that practice, no matter how rare?

I just dont believe it.

Caylees lil bones are in a lab! I think you meant "protected environment" not respectful. The evidence has to remain pure and untouched from the ME to the next in the chain. (which at the Anthonys/Caseys request was to be RE-examined by some scientists and perform more tests)

[Rayosunshine]

1/5/2009 0930 MANUAL - TRIAL 23-A GENE MEDINA COURTROOM
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Apparently State's deadline to respond to Baez motion regarding ME evidence.
jmo

Thanks, Cury. Appreciated.

[*MoonRider*]

OMG. Casey spends life in prison the baby would be taken away at birth and given to (probably) George and Cindy. Casey would have a major meltdown if she killed Caylee to spite Cindy.:w00t:

I don't think Dept. of Children and Families would find them fit. JMO

[OneUp]

If any of the guys stepped forward for testing. There were about 4 guys she was involved with when Caylee went missing.
The 2 Tonys, Jessie and Ricarado. (That we know of)Does anyone here think that any of those guys would prefer their offspring be raised by the Anthony's ( other than the despicable Rusciano...don't get me started on him!)...? Given even JUSt the facts here?
I would think at this point, if they didn't want the responsibility, and their families didn't want the child ( and in this case, there really is no way for the family NOT to know!) that any decent guy would adopt that child out to a decent family with excellent values, resources, etc.
Get real! There is Zippo chance of any imaginary baby going to the Anthony's. Besides, where would they find another invisible nanny?
JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

Maybe I'm old school and traditional but there's nothing respectable about her remains lying in a morgue as her mother further uses them by keeping them there to try to get herself sprung from prison.

You lost me, how is Caylee's remains being used to spring Casey from jail? She has been charged with murder.

[kitty1182]

I don't think for one minute she's pregnant. I don't even know how that got started....makes me laugh though....



I just thought that pic of her in the white blouse with the shorts going to see JB that day, looked like her tummy was a little big..Hey, don't laugh, it is possible..lol

[sunstar]

Status according to GA approx midnight 1/2/09

George Anthony says his family has not yet made funeral arrangements for Caylee. They are still waiting for Casey Anthony's defense team to wrap up their second autopsy.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8187300&version=4&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Thanks for the link. :) It's amazing though how long this 2nd autopsy is taking for such "experts" as are on the defense team and what little remains of Caylee there are. MOO

[Rayosunshine]

do you have a link to that practice, no matter how rare?

I just dont believe it.

Caylees lil bones are in a lab! I think you meant "protected environment" not respectful. The evidence has to remain pure and untouched from the ME to the next in the chain. (which at the Anthonys/Caseys request was to be RE-examined by some scientists and perform more tests)

What's really important is that Caylee's soul is in Heaven.

[OneUp]

I don't think for one minute she's pregnant. I don't even know how that got started....makes me laugh though....
...it makes me PANIC! ..and I don't even believe it!

[dmh]

SISTER IS THAT YOU?
:w00t:

I'll call you later about Dad harrassing me this morning. ROFL!

I guess I'm not the only one...
But I still have a question to those who do not get it..
Who is Casey's health ins. carrier?
Who is Caylee's health ins. carrier?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's delivery?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's check ups?

[sunstar]

I don't think for one minute she's pregnant. I don't even know how that got started....makes me laugh though....

I think it was because tampons aren't on every commissary order. Or maybe NG just doesn't list them when she's talking about all the candy Casey orders. :biggrin: MOO

[dvsone]

I don't think for one minute she's pregnant. I don't even know how that got started....makes me laugh though....

nah I dont either... just the long azz discussion of the tampon order made me think...

How ironic.... dont you think?

Forced to sit on trial for murdering your 2 y.o. and tossing her in a swampy spillway, to rot for 6 months, yet have another innocent baby on the way. Oh yeah.. Im thinking Baez would have tried to get her an abortion, she wouldnt care about another child, and his case gone to hell on the fastest train.

[steffaroob4]

I can't believe not one reporter has comfronted LP on his 2 very different statements anout the PI's video tape, as to who Dominic was on the phone talking with...

[*MoonRider*]

I just thought that pic of her in the white blouse with the shorts going to see JB that day, looked like her tummy was a little big..Hey, don't laugh, it is possible..lol

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
I must have a giant tumor :tonguewag:

[happygert]

But IIRC didn't Tracy want immunity too?

I dont remember that..What would she need immunity from she was not involved in the murder or the cover up

[sunstar]

What's really important is that Caylee's soul is in Heaven.

You're absolutely right! Many times remains aren't even recovered, for example, in a plane crash. So there is no funeral or burial. :crying: MOO

[kitty1182]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
I must have a giant tumor :tonguewag:



Thanks. it was a blue blouse:biggrin:

[SavannahStar]

I just thought that pic of her in the white blouse with the shorts going to see JB that day, looked like her tummy was a little big..Hey, don't laugh, it is possible..lol

Oh I do remember that pic. I didn't think it was pregnancy though....but sure it's possible. I think it would be leaked somehow by now though.

[tomsgirl]

I don't think the Florida Sunshine laws make exceptions for holidays. I believe all jail visits would be videotaped, no matter what. The media would find out & would demand that the jail release the tapes. I don't think Baez wants videotapes to exist of his client speaking to anyone.

Doesn't have anything to do with holidays, family or anything else. It's a strategy - NO VIDEOTAPES of the client.

As long as Casey agrees to follow her attorney's advice, it makes no difference whether her parents want to visit her or not. Doesn't matter if they hate her or love her. Doesn't matter if they would lie for her or accuse her. Baez (I believe) is calling the shots about her not having visitors. Casey (I think) is doing what he tells her to do - refuse visitors.


JMO

Sorry, I was off line for a few minutes but I just wanted to say this: It would seem like Baez himself would have visited her just to say something comforting as it was Christmas Day, he seemed to be soooo protective of her and acted so caring for his client that I find it sort of cold hearted that he couldn't at least stop by and say something. I guess I just have a soft heart when it comes to Christmas. I know that she is an OC, but still someone that supposedly cared some for her would have stopped by. JMO

[WillowInFlight]

I dont remember that..What would she need immunity from she was not involved in the murder or the cover up

I don't know I just remember we discussed it at length over a period of time.

[dmh]

I guess I'm O/T....sorry

[kitty1182]

Oh I do remember that pic. I didn't think it was pregnancy though....but sure it's possible. I think it would be leaked somehow by now though.



Moonrider posted the pic above, it was a blue blouse...:closedeyes:

[marshmallow]

It can tell you lots of things,doesn't change the fact that you are in no way qualified to know the ins and outs of the legal playing field, although you do real well at pretending you do, and convincing others that you know what you are talking about.

could you please keep your comments to your opinions and stop insulting the other posters. I know I'm not the only poster who'd like the boards to remain open this evening.

[nana6]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
I must have a giant tumor :tonguewag:

I don't know Moon. She wears everything so tight or a size too small. imo

[marshmallow]

Its true, she wanted immunity. Why don't you tell us what she wanted immunity for if she isnt criminally involved. hmmmm

because she was concerned that she hadn't gone to LE with her comments earlier on?

[steffaroob4]

I just thought that pic of her in the white blouse with the shorts going to see JB that day, looked like her tummy was a little big..Hey, don't laugh, it is possible..lol

I was going to say, "What man would be that stupid?"
then I thought about our little circus of clowns in this case and I have to admit she may have tried to do that.

I don't worry about the purchase of femine stuff, she is supplied with certain things free of charge, so there is nothing there. If she was preggers, it would have leaked out already.

[SavannahStar]

Moonrider posted the pic above, it was a blue blouse...:closedeyes:

I saw it. I just remember the pic w/o really remembering the color of the blouse.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh I do remember that pic. I didn't think it was pregnancy though....but sure it's possible. I think it would be leaked somehow by now though.

I just think she was wearing a blouse 2 sizes too small.

[marshmallow]

Oh I do remember that pic. I didn't think it was pregnancy though....but sure it's possible. I think it would be leaked somehow by now though.

I agree, if she were with child it wouldn't have stayed a secret this long.

And her defense team might've already gone with the accidental death and she was scared defense, using a pregnancy for emotional leverage.

[Neffy]

You lost me, how is Caylee's remains being used to spring Casey from jail? She has been charged with murder.

I'm lost to. Why else would she allow her defense team perform a second autopsy. Why would she release it to them to do? She knows exactly what happened she just doesn't know if they'll find out what she did.

The ME ruling unknown COD - you think she would have been on cloud 9. Certainly no natural causes would be listed when found in a plastic duct tapped bag in the woods.

There is no reason that Caylee's remains are still there period. It has to be for defense purposes and the only purpose of her defense right now is to spring Casey as the defense theory doesn't scream reduced charges or conceded that she is responsible.

[dvsone]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg
I must have a giant tumor :tonguewag:

I think she has always had the mommy pooch since Caylee was born. Its hard to make go away.... look at her in pics at fusion.... blue clingy dress. She has it there too.

[desmom]

Kio Marie did say that ... but it has never been confirmed that Casey didn't want Caylee.

Jesse Grund said in an interview that the subject of adoption did come up, and Casey told him that she would never do that ... or words to that effect.

IMO


It is the way I remember it also Impartial.

IMO, both stories are true. Casey likes to be the center of attention. By telling Kio (who said she could not have children) she was putting the baby up for adoption and telling Jesse (who she named as the father) she would never put the baby up for adoption, both stories kept her as the center of attention with Kio and Jesse.

Does that make sense? LOL!

[nana6]

Does anyone know if there is anything special going on with the case this coming week? It is really going to be a long time till March IF that is when the trial starts which I highly doubt. In the meantime I guess that the defense team may try to drag this thing out and poor little angel Caylee's remains will remain where they are until someone gets to work and does another examination. Have you all ever ever seen a case like this?

[Mimi428]

I have been wondering what the supporters of the Anthony family admire so much?




<snipped>

I know I probably miss a lot of posts when I am gone, but I can't recall reading anyone stating they admired the Anthonys. I've read posts where others have expressed sympathy for them, said they did not have the inclination to condemn them & things along those lines, but I just haven't read anything that hints at what I would define as 'admiration'. Can you give an example of what you are referring to?

I can't comment about who was posting about the Holloway case. I tend to stay away from the cases that involve sexual assault - simply because they (boards & threads) invariably seem become creep magnets & I try not to indulge the fantasies of people who get all enthralled about details of sexual assaults.

JMO

[legalmania]

I don't think that we have to worry about that, I doubt very seriously that Casey is pregnant.

She would be six or seven months by now right?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cury you are so good with links and facts.....I asked earlier (only got one response), if we heard the "dog's toothbrush" remark allegedly said by Cindy from anyone/any source other than Leonard Padilla? TIA. Just wondering how factual it is.

GRACE: To Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California, that spent time within the Anthony home when bond was first made. Leonard, what do you make of this development? You know all of them better than any of us.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Let me add fuel to the fire. Today, when I`m sitting there talking to Tracy about this development, she says, You know, that brings to mind something else. One day, Cindy walked in there and said, You know, when the FBI asked me for her toothbrush, I should have given them the brush that I use to brush the dog`s teeth. And Tracy says that George just about went into heart arrest, you know, like, Oh, my God, don`t be saying things like that. Now, I suggested that Tracy call the FBI first thing in the morning as a result of this development jogging her mind.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/25/ng.01.html

[dvsone]

Its true, she wanted immunity. Why don't you tell us what she wanted immunity for if she isnt criminally involved. hmmmm

wow. time to step away for a few? :thumbdown:

[impartial]

IIRC, the forensic pathologists wanted to have the x-rays, photo's, etc. of the crime scene at the time of the autopsy ... Baez made an emergency motion so that those items would be turned over so the defense autopsy could go forward. The Judge ordered they be turned over within 14 days.

Why the anger over the defense doing their examination of the evidence? It's their job to do so, and it would be malpractice not to.

IMO

[Calla]

I guess I'm not the only one...
But I still have a question to those who do not get it..
Who is Casey's health ins. carrier?
Who is Caylee's health ins. carrier?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's delivery?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's check ups?


Cindy
Cindy
Cindy
Cindy

[marshmallow]

Its my opinion. and I posted it. Perhaps, you could place me on ignore. I don't like a lot of comments on this board either, but it happens.


I don't put people on ignore, not even when they want me to. I like to read other people's opinions on the case and the people involved in the case.

[WillowInFlight]

I'm lost to. Why else would she allow her defense team perform a second autopsy. Why would she release it to them to do? She knows exactly what happened she just doesn't know if they'll find out what she did.

The ME ruling unknown COD - you think she would have been on cloud 9. Certainly no natural causes would be listed when found in a plastic duct tapped bag in the woods.

There is no reason that Caylee's remains are still there period. It has to be for defense purposes and the only purpose of her defense right now is to spring Casey as the defense theory doesn't scream reduced charges or conceded that she is responsible.

IF the defense does their own autopsy, it is their right, but I doubt very much if their findings are going to be any different than the ME. And the ruling was Homicide, unknown.

[Ladyhawk]

because she was concerned that she hadn't gone to LE with her comments earlier on?

The thing is, we all heard she had asked for immunity or at least was consulting an attorney regarding immunity however, we never heard if she actually received immunity or if what she knew even warranted immunity. One would think that we would have heard if she was granted immunity for her information.

[happygert]

...it makes me PANIC! ..and I don't even believe it!

I didnt say it was a rumor. I didn't say anyone said it .I just said no orders for them when they are on the list of her commissary items to order. It does make me wonder... It is a scary thought!.
Well we know Tony didn't want girls..
I truly believe she was planning on moving to California with him.. If she could have stalled a little while longer. But the car being towed she hadn't planned that. casey thought the car would be stolen. If not for CA and GA getting the notice about the car. I believe she would have been in California..Telling Tony her parents had Caylee until she found job and suitable housing for her. She would have told her parents Caylee was with her. JMHO

[steffaroob4]

GRACE: To Leonard Padilla, the bounty hunter out of Sacramento, California, that spent time within the Anthony home when bond was first made. Leonard, what do you make of this development? You know all of them better than any of us.

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER: Let me add fuel to the fire. Today, when I`m sitting there talking to Tracy about this development, she says, You know, that brings to mind something else. One day, Cindy walked in there and said, You know, when the FBI asked me for her toothbrush, I should have given them the brush that I use to brush the dog`s teeth. And Tracy says that George just about went into heart arrest, you know, like, Oh, my God, don`t be saying things like that. Now, I suggested that Tracy call the FBI first thing in the morning as a result of this development jogging her mind.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0811/25/ng.01.html


The state will bend over backwards to keep the padilla dog and pony show off of the witness list.

[legalmania]

It can tell you lots of things,doesn't change the fact that you are in no way qualified to know the ins and outs of the legal playing field, although you do real well at pretending you do, and convincing others that you know what you are talking about.

Maybe they don't need their testimony, I believe that science is the strongest evidence there is and they have plenty.

[SavannahStar]

Does anyone know if there is anything special going on with the case this coming week? It is really going to be a long time till March IF that is when the trial starts which I highly doubt. In the meantime I guess that the defense team may try to drag this thing out and poor little angel Caylee's remains will remain where they are until someone gets to work and does another examination. Have you all ever ever seen a case like this?

Well I've never seen a case like this. Casey just totally blows my mind. The lies......the made up life.......whew.

[impartial]

It is the way I remember it also Impartial.

IMO, both stories are true. Casey likes to be the center of attention. By telling Kio (who said she could not have children) she was putting the baby up for adoption and telling Jesse (who she named as the father) she would never put the baby up for adoption, both stories kept her as the center of attention with Kio and Jesse.

Does that make sense? LOL!



Makes sense.

I would lend more credence to Kio Marie's story had she not sold it to the National Enquirer. (or was it the Globe?)

IMO

[dmh]

Cindy
Cindy
Cindy
Cindy

And she never asked a question

[Calla]

Sorry, I was off line for a few minutes but I just wanted to say this: It would seem like Baez himself would have visited her just to say something comforting as it was Christmas Day, he seemed to be soooo protective of her and acted so caring for his client that I find it sort of cold hearted that he couldn't at least stop by and say something. I guess I just have a soft heart when it comes to Christmas. I know that she is an OC, but still someone that supposedly cared some for her would have stopped by. JMO

yes you do have a soft heart.

unfortunately Christmas is just anther day to a lot of people and I think those awaiting trial for murder , especially if they did it, are in that group.

your thoughts just show that someone made that day special for you and thats impressive

[Neffy]

I guess I'm not the only one...
But I still have a question to those who do not get it..
Who is Casey's health ins. carrier?
Who is Caylee's health ins. carrier?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's delivery?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's check ups?

It's my understanding from reading on the board that Casey was working when she was pregnant and had her own insurance that covered her delivery. I haven't checked this out as it I really didn't find it revelant to anything I wanted to know as fact.

Suffice it to say any copayment without fact I would go out on a limb and say Cindy has paid for everything then and for Caylee's entire little life.

[happygert]

I think it was because tampons aren't on every commissary order. Or maybe NG just doesn't list them when she's talking about all the candy Casey orders. :biggrin: MOO

No but wouldn't ya think they'd be on at least 3 of them?:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

I thought about my post after reading all of your responses...and yes I chose bad wording....Actually my family owns a funeral home...among other businesses,...and we've kept bodies in temporary storage....which the word should be different

I hope this is not to gross, but do they keep skeletal remains refrigerated?

[NYGalPal]

It can tell you lots of things,doesn't change the fact that you are in no way qualified to know the ins and outs of the legal playing field, although you do real well at pretending you do, and convincing others that you know what you are talking about.Nothing about the case to add?

Speak for yourself which you don't seem to have a problem doing. LandShark has the most informative posts which everyone enjoys. You should try and learn something instead of venting your frustration at all times.

[OneUp]

Well I've never seen a case like this. Casey just totally blows my mind. The lies......the made up life.......whew.ITA. I anticipate that Casey will probably be a stand alone , one of a kind case in the area of female Sociopathy. the Sociopathy is JUST a guess...but it sure looks like it will be an accurate one! Not that I give "them" much weight, but the TH on television seem to agree with me about that!

JMO.

[happygert]

It's my understanding from reading on the board that Casey was working when she was pregnant and had her own insurance that covered her delivery. I haven't checked this out as it I really didn't find it revelant to anything I wanted to know as fact.

Suffice it to say any copayment without fact I would go out on a limb and say Cindy has paid for everything then and for Caylee's entire little life.

I heard Cindy paid for medical visits after her birth, casey ins was supposed to pay for her being born.

[nana6]

Or maybe because its a standard thing to do between a witness and the state. Or maybe she did something wrong.

I thought she was placed in the house to watch over Casey no? It never entered my mind that she did something wrong why do you think that maybe she did? I think she is just trying to protect herself because she has seen with her own eyes what a horrible, cold person Casey really is. Maybe she thinks she had better cover all bases because she has no doubt in her mind that Casey would try to turn something around on her. IMO

[dvsone]

IIRC, the forensic pathologists wanted to have the x-rays, photo's, etc. of the crime scene at the time of the autopsy ... Baez made an emergency motion so that those items would be turned over so the defense autopsy could go forward. The Judge ordered they be turned over within 14 days.

Why the anger over the defense doing their examination of the evidence? It's their job to do so, and it would be malpractice not to.

IMO
Hi Impartial.
This stemmed from postings on the fact that Caylee hasnt been properly put to rest yet its been X amount of days since they had the body ...... then someone goes on to say that she is respectfully stored.
To which some, myself included, say no way it is respectful. The poor babys bones are in bags, labeled as to which bone they are, not in some warm fuzzy place.

and alas you show... theres the highlights from how I saw it.... others prob have a dif version though.

[Neffy]

IIRC, the forensic pathologists wanted to have the x-rays, photo's, etc. of the crime scene at the time of the autopsy ... Baez made an emergency motion so that those items would be turned over so the defense autopsy could go forward. The Judge ordered they be turned over within 14 days.

Why the anger over the defense doing their examination of the evidence? It's their job to do so, and it would be malpractice not to.

IMO

Why? Just because they can. Prosecutors did it and now it's our turn?

I'm not angered I just don't see the purpose of it. I can't think of one thing that would benefit the defense for doing a 2nd autopsy.

[steffaroob4]

Makes sense.

I would lend more credence to Kio Marie's story had she not sold it to the National Enquirer. (or was it the Globe?)

IMO

I balance that out with this thought..

casey stole from her best friend, got a tatoo and her nails done that week. KioMarie legaly sold her story, she wins in my eyes.

[impartial]

OMG I LOVE it when you come on and post!!!!!!!!!!!!

:beer:


Happy New Year my friend !!!

I would imagine that the only thing the defense hopes to discover with an autopsy is evidence to refute the time of death being on or about June 16th.

No trauma to the skeletal remains is beneficial to the defense.

IMO

[nc1948]

But until they do, the body is held in a contained area that is respectful...

A lot more respectful than where her Mother of the Year placed her. In a trash bag in the woods.

[dmh]

It's my understanding from reading on the board that Casey was working when she was pregnant and had her own insurance that covered her delivery. I haven't checked this out as it I really didn't find it revelant to anything I wanted to know as fact.

Suffice it to say any copayment without fact I would go out on a limb and say Cindy has paid for everything then and for Caylee's entire little life.

not that it is revelant to the case..just making some observations to cindy and georges state of mind regarding Casey.

[Ladyhawk]

I guess I'm not the only one...
But I still have a question to those who do not get it..
Who is Casey's health ins. carrier?
Who is Caylee's health ins. carrier?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's delivery?
Who paid for Dear Caylee's check ups?

IIRC, Cindy said in the bond hearing (maybe), that Casey had insurance that paid for the pregnancy and the delivery. My question now is at what point did Cindy take over paying for Caylee's medical? Seems to me if Cindy was picking up that tab, she would have to know that either Casey didn't have a job, or Casey didn't have health insurance anymore. Does anyone remember Cindy talking about Casey changing jobs?

[kitty1182]

I may be parsing words, but I did hear a TH (so take it for what its worth)..that you may get away with lying to LE..but dont ever lie to the FBI..cause you could very well be held accountable!

So my question is..if the Anthony's and Lee get some sort of Immunity Deal..does that prelude the FBI from possibly charging them?..Just asking...as boy oh boy, all the Anthony's involved sure told many stories..some conflicting..some maybe just short of truthes??

I dont know..but any thoughts?

LMS:confused:



All I know is..
You don't Lie
To the FBI

[Calla]

And she never asked a question

what question?

who is the father?
if that is the question you are referring to, I will say what I have said before.
I think Casey lied about who it was more than onec..and that is why her lived in N.C....then he had another family..then he died in a car accident...

but wait it was Jesse at one time.

If that is the question you refer to then you know why she never got any aid for Caylee..'cuz she would not name the father.
What good did it do Cindy to ask that question? She couldn't even get Casey to tell her where Caylee was. (except for 'she is close..I can feel it") ARGH!

[dvsone]

I thought about my post after reading all of your responses...and yes I chose bad wording....Actually my family owns a funeral home...among other businesses,...and weve kept bodies in temporary storage....which the word should be different

Okay I got you. and thanks.. because I do think her body is still being treated "clinically" if you catch what I mean.

The folks talking about a funeral for her just want her laid to rest, not in that situation anymore. Over. Fini.

[PROPROS]

No but wouldn't ya think they'd be on at least 3 of them?:rolleyes:The county jail gives the women free Kotex...They are not the best quality and certainly not the Kotex (with wings) (lol)...Maybe...she is taking advantage of the "freebies" and saving her money for snacks etc...The thought of a pregnant Casey is :scared:mo

[Mairi II]

There was a pathologist on one of the shows last week who said it was simply posturing on the Defense's part to request/perform a 2nd examination of the remains. He felt there was absolutely no other findings to be made by them - that Dr. G performed an excellent autopsy. It's their right so, I suppose if I were the defendant, I'd be ticked if they didn't exercise that right. At least when trial comes along we won't have to hear about how they were hindered by not being allowed a 2nd exam.

[Freefall]

could you please keep your comments to your opinions and stop insulting the other posters. I know I'm not the only poster who'd like the boards to remain open this evening.

Thank you marshmallow. My thoughts exactly.

[SavannahStar]

Hi Impartial.
This stemmed from postings on the fact that Caylee hasnt been properly put to rest yet its been X amount of days since they had the body ...... then someone goes on to say that she is respectfully stored.
To which some, myself included, say no way it is respectful. The poor babys bones are in bags, labeled as to which bone they are, not in some warm fuzzy place.

and alas you show... theres the highlights from how I saw it.... others prob have a dif version though.


Well right along there has been anger that there is going to be a second autopsy (sic) and that she should just be buried immediately, instead. That debate has been going on for days and days.

[*MoonRider*]

And she never asked a question

Let's face it we all know people just like the Anthony's. They have perfect children, with perfect grades who never do anything wrong. MOO

[Calla]

if the question was about casey's job..then yeah that too.

i got off on another track because I need a cigarette!:cursing:

[Regina.Lampert]

But IIRC didn't Tracy want immunity too?

Yes, padilla mumbled something about Tracy clearing things thru her attorney before speaking to LE.

BTW everyone, we do not know for sure if the babykiller signed over an authorization to cynthia and george to make any funeral arrangements. The last I read it was the defendant who released the remains to the funeral home.

I wouldn't put it past her to maintain control of the remains to once again spite cynthia and george. imo.

[nana6]

Happy New Year my friend !!!

I would imagine that the only thing the defense hopes to discover with an autopsy is evidence to refute the time of death being on or about June 16th.

No trauma to the skeletal remains is beneficial to the defense.

IMO

Hi, I am remembering when Dr. Baden said that the tape around the skull could have fingerprints on it STILL!!!! Even after being in water!! He also said that the bones would show if the body was burned or not I believe I heard that right.

[WillowInFlight]

Hi, I am remembering when Dr. Baden said that the tape around the skull could have fingerprints on it STILL!!!! Even after being in water!! He also said that the bones would show if the body was burned or not I believe I heard that right.

Right and Dr. Perper said the opposite about the tape.:confused:

[SavannahStar]

Happy New Year my friend !!!

I would imagine that the only thing the defense hopes to discover with an autopsy is evidence to refute the time of death being on or about June 16th.

No trauma to the skeletal remains is beneficial to the defense.

IMO


Happy New Year to you as well!

Yes, I know you are correct and I appreciate your experience in these matters.

[*MoonRider*]

There was a pathologist on one of the shows last week who said it was simply posturing on the Defense's part to request/perform a 2nd examination of the remains. He felt there was absolutely no other findings to be made by them - that Dr. G performed an excellent autopsy. It's their right so, I suppose if I were the defendant, I'd be ticked if they didn't exercise that right. At least when trial comes along we won't have to hear about how they were hindered by not being allowed a 2nd exam.

I saw that too. It really isn't an autopsy because there is only bones. Very sad.

[dmh]

what question?

who is the father?
if that is the question you are referring to, I will say what I have said before.
I think Casey lied about who it was more than onec..and that is why her lived in N.C....then he had another family..then he died in a car accident...

but wait it was Jesse at one time.

If that is the question you refer to then you know why she never got any aid for Caylee..'cuz she would not name the father.
What good did it do Cindy to ask that question? She couldn't even get Casey to tell her where Caylee was. (except for 'she is close..I can feel it") ARGH!

I am saking about my quote #701

[Neffy]

Happy New Year my friend !!!

I would imagine that the only thing the defense hopes to discover with an autopsy is evidence to refute the time of death being on or about June 16th.

No trauma to the skeletal remains is beneficial to the defense.

IMO

That's already been stated (bold) no trauma. I see no trauma as a moot point. Means nothing. No blood , bullet casings, knives found anywhere or even considered. COD so far all point to a suffocation type killing.



I don't recall coming across the ME's time of death. No way can they decipher an exact time of death after all this time with the little remains that are available other then to say months ago.

[marshmallow]

At least when trial comes along we won't have to hear about how they were hindered by not being allowed a 2nd exam.


I totally agree, let them take as long as they need, it will cut back on the complaining in court.

[playnice]

It bothers me that so little respect has been shown for Caylee. I understand the defense being for Casey above everything else but Caylee was a little child. First they wanted to rush the investigators when they were sifting throw dirt to try to find as many of this babies bones as possible. I understand them wanting their own autospy but they are taking their sweet time in doing the autospy so this baby can have a proper burial. It just seems so disrespectful to Caylee to me.:sad:

[happygert]

I may be parsing words, but I did hear a TH (so take it for what its worth)..that you may get away with lying to LE..but dont ever lie to the FBI..cause you could very well be held accountable!

So my question is..if the Anthony's and Lee get some sort of Immunity Deal..does that prelude the FBI from possibly charging them?..Just asking...as boy oh boy, all the Anthony's involved sure told many stories..some conflicting..some maybe just short of truthes??

I dont know..but any thoughts?

LMS:confused:


Lynda I don't think it would because one is state and the other would be federal charges . Unless of course feds gave them immunity too.

[nc1948]

No but wouldn't ya think they'd be on at least 3 of them?:rolleyes:

Ithink I heard or read (I do not have a link so don't ask) that sanitary pads are furnished free, you only have to pay if you want tampons. Maybe she is not getting as much money as she wants and is saving hers for candy.

[nana6]

There was a pathologist on one of the shows last week who said it was simply posturing on the Defense's part to request/perform a 2nd examination of the remains. He felt there was absolutely no other findings to be made by them - that Dr. G performed an excellent autopsy. It's their right so, I suppose if I were the defendant, I'd be ticked if they didn't exercise that right. At least when trial comes along we won't have to hear about how they were hindered by not being allowed a 2nd exam.

Oh ITA Let the defense have anything they want because then they will not come back after she is convicted and say she did not have a fair trial.

[legalmania]

All remains that are kept are kept in climate controlled environments...out of respect and health department rules.

That's what I thought. I thought it was some kind of health issue, and would also have to do with chain of custody.

[impartial]

Hi, I am remembering when Dr. Baden said that the tape around the skull could have fingerprints on it STILL!!!! Even after being in water!! He also said that the bones would show if the body was burned or not I believe I heard that right.


If the skull has fingerprints on it ... the body was moved. Fingerprints won't penetrate beyond the scalp.

The ME would have stated trauma to the skeletal remains if they had been burned ...

Dr. Baden was probably talking in generalities, rather than specifics to this case.

IMO

[steffaroob4]

There was a pathologist on one of the shows last week who said it was simply posturing on the Defense's part to request/perform a 2nd examination of the remains. He felt there was absolutely no other findings to be made by them - that Dr. G performed an excellent autopsy. It's their right so, I suppose if I were the defendant, I'd be ticked if they didn't exercise that right. At least when trial comes along we won't have to hear about how they were hindered by not being allowed a 2nd exam.

Baez wants to get his hands on what they found at that site asap, that is the major reason for second autopsy. The state now has to turn over everything they have from the discovery, and Baez will be able to figure out his next move. If that dict tape was on the skull, it is going to be a hard road for Baez.

LP has been doing quite a nice job planting the seeds of the duct tape being placed on the head to fake a kidnapping, that theory is all over the blogs and in polls. LP seems to be helpful to the defense in a lot of ways...

[happygert]

It bothers me that so little respect has been shown for Caylee. I understand the defense being for Casey above everything else but Caylee was a little child. First they wanted to rush the investigators when they were sifting throw dirt to try to find as many of this babies bones as possible. I understand them wanting their own autospy but they are taking their sweet time in doing the autospy so this baby can have a proper burial. It just seems so disrespectful to Caylee to me.:sad:

ITA.. no respect at all. very sad.

[playnice]

Snipped
LP seems to be helpful to the defense in a lot of ways...

I agree. He insists this was an accident.

[FrankieBones1]

Excellent videos. I'd encourage everyone to watch all four parts.
I'm still on Part 1 of 4 and wow....When it's done like this, it really shows the lies in 3D and true colour.

[bluwaters]

What does Cindy & George asking for full immunity without any immunity of any kind being offered tell you?

Logically, it tells me only Cindy & George would benefit.

Why do Cindy & George want immunity before speaking truthfully to investigators?

Why did Cindy & George wait until Caylee's remains were found to ask for immunity?
Excellent questions!
I hope that we have some answers tomorrow.

[AbbyNormal]

I haven't heard that any of the Anthony's were arrested today. Another day.. and still no arrest.
hmmMaybe, just maybe, it isn't because there isn't any evidence against them...........it's because there is so much evidence against them............

A lot more t's to cross and i's to dot.

Wheels of justice can be slow to turn. It could still happen. Not holding my breath.

Is lying to the FBI a federal crime?

[nana6]

and all their perfect parents post on the mesage boards.

Hi $, What is up here today with you? Are you ok? Let's just all agree to get along so we have this board open tonight. Come on now ok? We have talked for a long time, in fact since this case started, that we thought Cindy wanted the family to look as though they were perfect. We thought that because she was forever and is probably still trying to cover for her daughter. I think we all know people who always want everyone to think that they have the perfect children and the perfect marriages. I believe that is what the poster meant. imo

[Mairi II]

Baez wants to get his hands on what they found at that site asap, that is the major reason for second autopsy. The state now has to turn over everything they have from the discovery, and Baez will be able to figure out his next move. If that dict tape was on the skull, it is going to be a hard road for Baez.

LP has been doing quite a nice job planting the seeds of the duct tape being placed on the head to fake a kidnapping, that theory is all over the blogs and in polls. LP seems to be helpful to the defense in a lot of ways...

I didn't think about them having access to everything that was found with the remains. Duh... of course they would be. Yes, they're going to be very interested in the duct tape, if there was some.

[sunstar]

I think she has always had the mommy pooch since Caylee was born. Its hard to make go away.... look at her in pics at fusion.... blue clingy dress. She has it there too.

I figured it was too tight clothes and drinking alcohol. :biggrin: MOO

[Neffy]

IF the defense does their own autopsy, it is their right, but I doubt very much if their findings are going to be any different than the ME. And the ruling was Homicide, unknown.

Yep it's their right. It's my contention the remains will provide nothing other then what the ME stated an unbiased third party. Not good enough? Whatever.

[happygert]

Ithink I heard or read (I do not have a link so don't ask) that sanitary pads are furnished free, you only have to pay if you want tampons. Maybe she is not getting as much money as she wants and is saving hers for candy.

very well could be.. But imo she's not a pad kind of girl....:lol:

[impartial]

It bothers me that so little respect has been shown for Caylee. I understand the defense being for Casey above everything else but Caylee was a little child. First they wanted to rush the investigators when they were sifting throw dirt to try to find as many of this babies bones as possible. I understand them wanting their own autospy but they are taking their sweet time in doing the autospy so this baby can have a proper burial. It just seems so disrespectful to Caylee to me.:sad:


The forensic pathologists need to have the same evidence that the ME had in order to do their job correctly. They were/are waiting for those items to be turned over. The State could/should have turned those over without the necessity of the motion.

IMO

[dvsone]

All I know is..
You don't Lie
To the FBI

I beleive that too.
They arent as understanding.

I dont really think the immunity deal will go through, and here is why I think that.
The FBI doesnt just come to a fake kidnapping, figure out it is being faked (even if OCSO is the one that figured it out first) and stick around. What would be the purpose of their sticking around and waiting.... offering their services, even if they have to work 24* a day, to solve this case? .... using LandSharks words.
Why is that?

Because there is something federally at issue and they want at the bottom of it. Seeing as the first amount of time was spent on nonsense, may as well see it through and figure out why all the Anthony nonsense was played out.

My guess is still fraud and possibly Lee/Geo/Cindy obstructing and or helping Casey.

[happygert]

Excellent questions!
I hope that we have some answers tomorrow.

Is there a hearing on Monday? I know theres supposed to be one on the 15th.

[marshmallow]

ITA.. no respect at all. very sad.


Casey should have a fair trial so there is no doubt about the verdict. If that means the defense has extra time with Caylee's remains then that's what should happen. The biggest disrespect to Caylee has already occured, her lifeless body was put into a trash bag like garbage and thrown away. Nothing else can measure up to that. Justice is the best way to give Caylee respect now and justice means the defense has this right to a second autopsy. When they are done she will be laid to rest.

[steffaroob4]

I agree. He insists this was an accident.

I just can't believe NG let's him on the air every single day to advance that theory...:cursing:

[Neffy]

If the skull has fingerprints on it ... the body was moved. Fingerprints won't penetrate beyond the scalp.

The ME would have stated trauma to the skeletal remains if they had been burned ...

Dr. Baden was probably talking in generalities, rather than specifics to this case.

IMO

She said fingerprints on tape "around the skull" not on the skull. :blink:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Happy New Year my friend !!!

I would imagine that the only thing the defense hopes to discover with an autopsy is evidence to refute the time of death being on or about June 16th.

No trauma to the skeletal remains is beneficial to the defense.

IMO

According to email attachments with the photo & xray motion, while most eyes are focused upon the second inspection, Haskell and Huntington appear to be quietly sharing the scientific insect results.
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/1223/18344543.pdf
jmo

[sunstar]

It bothers me that so little respect has been shown for Caylee. I understand the defense being for Casey above everything else but Caylee was a little child. First they wanted to rush the investigators when they were sifting throw dirt to try to find as many of this babies bones as possible. I understand them wanting their own autospy but they are taking their sweet time in doing the autospy so this baby can have a proper burial. It just seems so disrespectful to Caylee to me.:sad:

I completely agree. I think it's all defense posturing though when LE was at the scene and now they're trying to find some way to get Casey off the murder charges through the 2nd autopsy ~ if that's at all possible. MOO

[marshmallow]

I just can't believe NG let's him on the air every single day to advance that theory...:cursing:

I say we put him and Geraldo in a sound proof vault.

[legalmania]

I just want to know WHAT they need immunity from?....Haven't heard any scuttlebutt about them being actually threatened with arrest for anything....AND I WANT TO KNOW....Its driving my LAST NERVE.

...curiosity kills...

I believe it is when they first took possession of the car. They washed clothes and cleaned the car and sprayed chemeicals after admitting to LE the car smelt like a dead body. When you alter evidence this could be considered obstruction.

[nana6]

If the skull has fingerprints on it ... the body was moved. Fingerprints won't penetrate beyond the scalp.

The ME would have stated trauma to the skeletal remains if they had been burned ...

Dr. Baden was probably talking in generalities, rather than specifics to this case.

IMO

Hi , I see your point but I meant that I thought Dr. Baden said that the INSIDE of the tape would still have prints on it even though it had been in water.

[dmh]

very well could be.. But imo she's not a pad kind of girl....:lol:


Pleaaaaaase.....let it go

[happygert]

Hi, I am remembering when Dr. Baden said that the tape around the skull could have fingerprints on it STILL!!!! Even after being in water!! He also said that the bones would show if the body was burned or not I believe I heard that right.

Duct tape is water proof. and its a possiblity that there could have ben some tissue on it too.

[bluwaters]

IIRC, the forensic pathologists wanted to have the x-rays, photo's, etc. of the crime scene at the time of the autopsy ... Baez made an emergency motion so that those items would be turned over so the defense autopsy could go forward. The Judge ordered they be turned over within 14 days.

Why the anger over the defense doing their examination of the evidence? It's their job to do so, and it would be malpractice not to.

IMO

TY impartial!
I posted this earlier today.

IMOO -
The remains have been released to the funeral home chosen by the family.

The remains are being stored there until the family decides how they want them handled.

The defense has the right to a second autopsy.

The second autopsy will not be done until the defense receives the requested discovery from the prosecution regarding the ME's autopsy.

The prosecution was given 14 days to turn over the discovery.

Once the defense receives the discovery, then the decision will be made whether of not to conduct their own autopsy.

If they choose to conduct a 2nd autopsy, the team will have to be assembled according to their schedules, etc.

Only when all of the conditions above have been met, will a funeral service be held and Caylee's remains buried.


It is also MHO that there will not be a second autopsy.
The defense does not want to risk finding something incriminating that the ME possibly missed!
However, it is a good legal move that Baez obtained the right to have a second autopsy, just in case something in the ME's report compels the defense to have another look.

As much as we, the public, want to see Caylee laid to rest, I doubt that anyone would want to see her remains exhumed during this trial or any that follow.
Hopefully, the defense request for the second autopsy will prevent a possible future exhumation of Caylee's remains.

I used the term "autopsy" although I realize that is not technically correct, per Dr. Perper.

It will be a relief when Caylee's remains are respectfully laid to rest.
The reason that has not yet happened is not difficult to understand.
It will pass and she will be laid to rest, it is just hard to wait.

[MiamiNice1]

snipped.

I believe Casey fooled all her friends.
She never was what she pretended to be.
(loving and caring)
She could not keep up the act any more and that is when
tragedy struck.
I am sure all her "friends" are shaking thier heads...wondering
how she could have misled them so much....but young people do have a tendancy to trust too often the wrong people.
It takes life experiences to realize that not many people can be trusted....some of your closest friends will stab you in the back.
Truer words were never written, trich! This is EXACTLY how it goes, IMO, too.

[Mairi II]

Hi , I see your point but I meant that I thought Dr. Baden said that the INSIDE of the tape would still have prints on it even though it had been in water.

It would be easy enough to test. If someone's got some duct tape handy, rip off a section and handle it a little bit. It's easy to see fingerprints with the naked eye. Then stick it in a glass of water. I would think they'd still be there.

[WillowInFlight]

Yep it's their right. It's my contention the remains will provide nothing other then what the ME stated an unbiased third party. Not good enough? Whatever.
Aren't you saying the same thing as I said in the post that you quoted?

[Dunlurken]

Hi , I see your point but I meant that I thought Dr. Baden said that the INSIDE of the tape would still have prints on it even though it had been in water.

I'm wondering if any of the duct tape was attached to the bag itself? That is where you could find fingerprints.

BTW, hello everyone!

[Calla]

OK I am jsut saying..

If my grand child was missing and my child was in jail because of it and I was running all over the country trying to find that child and they found the child deceased....I would want immunity before I spoke to anyone so in the event that I had said or done something in my search that could be considered questionable, I would not suffer for it.
Afterall, I would have already been exposed as a fool so I would think I was punished enough with the loss added in.
I would go back to Cindy's words regarding finding the truth "even if it means Casey sits in jail"(or something along those lines)

[dvsone]

I just want to know WHAT they need immunity from?....Haven't heard any scuttlebutt about them being actually threatened with arrest for anything....AND I WANT TO KNOW....Its driving my LAST NERVE.

...curiosity kills...

Its working EVERYONES ... sad to say, I dont think Conway will elaborate and put us out of our misery.

[happygert]

The ME is not an unbiased third party. She is employed by the county.

Thats where YOU are WRONG. She doesnt have a dog in this fight. They want the truth! They have a job to do and its not for pros or defense. They are paid to do a job no matter how it comes out.

[Neffy]

The ME is not an unbiased third party. She is employed by the county.

So the county ME has a dog in this fight? Pro prosecution? I don't think so.

[Mairi II]

The ME is not an unbiased third party. She is employed by the county.

Doesn't mean she biased, though.

[WillowInFlight]

I just can't believe NG let's him on the air every single day to advance that theory...:cursing:
I think Nancy is hoping that one of these nights Lenny will drop the big one. LOL

[happygert]

OK I am jsut saying..

If my grand child was missing and my child was in jail because of it and I was running all over the country trying to find that child and they found the child deceased....I would want immunity before I spoke to anyone so in the event that I had said or done something in my search that could be considered questionable, I would not suffer for it.
Afterall, I would have already been exposed as a fool so I would think I was punished enough with the loss added in.
I would go back to Cindy's words regarding finding the truth "even if it means Casey sits in jail"(or something along those lines)

ARE you KIDDING ? If you didn't do anything wrong U wouldn't need IMMUNITY.

[dvsone]

I'm still on Part 1 of 4 and wow....When it's done like this, it really shows the lies in 3D and true colour.
Not that the subject of this case is easy or great in any way... but the stuff we learn about the human psyche in these tapes is soooo incredible to me. Thank goodness for the internet. :)

[I'mRight]

Why? Just because they can. Prosecutors did it and now it's our turn?

I'm not angered I just don't see the purpose of it. I can't think of one thing that would benefit the defense for doing a 2nd autopsy.

I think it's just posturing, which I think can be expected in a murder case.

[happygert]

Its not a possibility at all. The ME said there was NO tissue.

Oh its a possiblity.

[dmh]

OK I am jsut saying..

If my grand child was missing and my child was in jail because of it and I was running all over the country trying to find that child and they found the child deceased....I would want immunity before I spoke to anyone so in the event that I had said or done something in my search that could be considered questionable, I would not suffer for it.
Afterall, I would have already been exposed as a fool so I would think I was punished enough with the loss added in.
I would go back to Cindy's words regarding finding the truth "even if it means Casey sits in jail"(or something along those lines)

I can agree on that...we all say things that we really never meant to say...especially under stress

[steffaroob4]

Pleaaaaaase.....let it go

I hate to say it, but this conversation makes me think of one thing.
Casey is all grown up now, living outside the family home, making new friends, balancing her budget every week.
I find it a bit weird, she now has to decide what she can afford, kinda sucks being grown up and having to make the hard decisions.:ohmy:

[ellegna]

Its true, she wanted immunity. Why don't you tell us what she wanted immunity for if she isnt criminally involved. hmmmm

George and Cindy requested immunity so I guess they must be criminally involved too. hmmmmmm

[Calla]

ARE you KIDDING ? If you didn't do anything wrong U wouldn't need IMMUNITY.

But I did do something wrong if I washed pants and threw stuff out before I found my daughter and fought with her for hours before she said...the baby is kidnapped..for 31 days..
No telling what I did wrong before all the rest developed..just sayin

[happygert]

Its not a possibility at all. The ME said there was NO tissue.

You never know what secrets duct tape holds...:thumbsup:

[Dunlurken]

Bottom line.... why did Casey lie all the time? She doesn't work, takes her child to a "non existent nanny", then loses her child. Nah, I ain't buying it. Guilty. JMO. Who helped with the cover up, I'm not sure yet.

[nc1948]

Gonna take a break now. Board is getting snarly. I love to discuss and disagree, but cannot tolerate the back bitting and nasty post. I prefer the skip and scroll method rather than the be ugly method.

Be back later.

[nana6]

Its not a possibility at all. The ME said there was NO tissue.

BUT, The ME did not say that there were no finger prints underneathe the duct tape that was across the mouth.

[MalloryCat]

What does Cindy & George asking for full immunity without any immunity of any kind being offered tell you?

Logically, it tells me only Cindy & George would benefit.

Why do Cindy & George want immunity before speaking truthfully to investigators?

Why did Cindy & George wait until Caylee's remains were found to ask for immunity?

Didn't Greta say that asking for immunity is standard?

[Cury-us Coyote]

I just can't believe NG let's him on the air every single day to advance that theory...:cursing:


Some people claim their primary mission is that justice be served and yet allow ratings to guide them.
jmho

[Neffy]

Aren't you saying the same thing as I said in the post that you quoted?

LOL :thumbsup:

I started adding to it then erased some retyped erased it then took a phone call but yes, it did end up the same which I agreed with anyway.

[steffaroob4]

OK I am jsut saying..

If my grand child was missing and my child was in jail because of it and I was running all over the country trying to find that child and they found the child deceased....I would want immunity before I spoke to anyone so in the event that I had said or done something in my search that could be considered questionable, I would not suffer for it.
Afterall, I would have already been exposed as a fool so I would think I was punished enough with the loss added in.
I would go back to Cindy's words regarding finding the truth "even if it means Casey sits in jail"(or something along those lines)

I agree, I see nothing wrong with them wanting immunity, i just can't figure out why and the heck we are hearing about it from their attorney. That is just bizaare, for the GP's and Lee.

[Calla]

You would also want immunity if you lied (repeatedly) to investigators already.
Yes I would even if my falsehoods came from a false sense of hope and from being in a state of extreme denial because I did not want to accept a dead grand baby and a murderous child

[Dunlurken]

So, you think the ME was lying when she said no tissue?

No soft tissue. I would think bone marrow is considered tissue. Lots will be coming out during the toxicology report, I think. And the hair samples from Caylee's little head.

[dmh]

I hate to say it, but this conversation makes me think of one thing.
Casey is all grown up now, living outside the family home, making new friends, balancing her budget every week.
I find it a bit weird, she now has to decide what she can afford, kinda sucks being grown up and having to make the hard decisions.:ohmy:

????????????????????????????Casey all grown up????????????

[ellegna]

Its not a possibility at all. The ME said there was NO tissue.

IIRC the ME said no soft tissue.

[MalloryCat]

greta says alot....but to GET immunity first YOU HAVE TO HAVE BEEN FOUND TO HAVE DONE SOMETHING CHARGEABLE AND HAVE BEEN CHARGED....and WHAT YOU HAVE TO OFFER HAS TO BE OF MATERIAL VALUE TO THE STATE.

caps for expression only....not yellin atya...


No, I dont think thats how it goes.

[happygert]

But I did do something wrong if I washed pants and threw stuff out before I found my daughter and fought with her for hours before she said...the baby is kidnapped..for 31 days..
No telling what I did wrong before all the rest developed..just sayin

The only time CA didnt lie was when she called about the car.The very first day.. After that all lies. Yes CA and GA did do something wrong they Lied to FBI and LE tampered and destroyed evidence. obstructed justice. CA being RN for 30 years and Ga being a PO knew the smell of death. THEY KNEW Caylee was DEAD.

[dixie77]

Why did Lee move back in his parents home? I wonder if Mallory is still with him. Things that make u go hmmmmmmmmmmmmmm

[Dunlurken]

You would not NEED immunity (or need to seek immunity) if you had spoken the truth throughout the investigation.

I would need immunity because I would have killed my daughter. JMO.

[Neffy]

Thats because she didn't mention duct tape. And duct tape has never been confirmed by LE. I think its rumor.

Rumour maybe - maybe not. The ME didn't discuss anything which pointed to a crime except for it being a homicide. Could have been nothing to turn over just finding the remains in the woods points to homicide alone. Caylee didn't put herself there.