Jan. 2 Part II

[callmetree]

here when needed.

[Mimi428]

Thanks for starting the new thread, much appreciated.

[tisamystery]

How does Casey explain needing a nanny when she wasn't even working?

[rj1212]

How does Casey explain needing a nanny when she wasn't even working?

How does Casey explain affording one?
How does Casey explain the fact that there was no real Zenaida?

How does Casey explain the fact that the other folks who supposedly know Zenaida doesn't know what Casey's talking about?


Casey's lies about Zanny are just as ridiculous as claiming to work for Universal saying "here's the name of my boss..." and "I'll take you to my office..." etc..

[MandyMia]

How does Casey explain needing a nanny when she wasn't even working?


I can't wait to see how the defense approaches all these questions that will be asked of her story - I bet her story changes and changes and changes -like it already has - but the defense really has some work ahead of them and I'm glad Baez is surrounding himself with so many experts so she won't be able to use the ineffective counsil or whatever defendents use when they lose and want a new trial - with just Baez Casey could definitely say he lacks .... what's the word .... experience in this area. IMO

[AnnInOhio]

(Brought forward from previous thread)
Casey's only hope is for an OJ Simpson-esque "Hail Mary" defense! She'll have to rely on Baez & Co. to find a rogue cop in the Orange County police dept who is on tape somewhere admitting that he HATES young, single mothers who don't work to support themselves and their children (especially if they lie about it). They'll plant the theory that said rogue cop, after tracking down Zanny the Nanny (who confesses to Caylee's murder, but DID work as a Nanny to support her son), conspired with Zanny to frame Casey for the death. The rogue cop is going to the mountains to live with Zanny as soon as the coast is clear! OJ and Casey end up as penpals and write a book about finding a soulmate.

In other words, Casey is toast.

[Pooh]

Thanks for the new thread. I posted a link for the others on the old one.....

[NYGalPal]

Thanks Calmee. It was getting a little too crazy over there.

[MandyMia]

Thanks Calmee. It was getting a little too crazy over there.



just a tad bit ...............

[steffaroob4]

(Brought forward from previous thread)
Casey's only hope is for an OJ Simpson-esque "Hail Mary" defense! She'll have to rely on Baez & Co. to find a rogue cop in the Orange County police dept who is on tape somewhere admitting that he HATES young, single mothers who don't work to support themselves and their children (especially if they lie about it). They'll plant the theory that said rogue cop, after tracking down Zanny the Nanny (who confesses to Caylee's murder, but DID work as a Nanny to support her son), conspired with Zanny to frame Casey for the death. The rogue cop is going to the mountains to live with Zanny as soon as the coast is clear! OJ and Casey end up as penpals and write a book about finding a soulmate.

In other words, Casey is toast.

"If you believe Zanny did babysit,
you must acquit"

[WillowInFlight]

How does Casey explain needing a nanny when she wasn't even working?

And why when LE found out she wasn't working didn't they ask how she was paying the nanny?

[callmetree]

Thanks for the new thread. I posted a link for the others on the old one.....

thanks pooh, i'm not good with the link thing yet. my child still hasn't given me my show and tell.:smile:

[missinglink]

Thanks Calmee. It was getting a little too crazy over there.

Really! It was getting ridiculous, and nauseating. Hope this board will be better!

Thanks tree, for the new board.

[callmetree]

Thanks Calmee. It was getting a little too crazy over there.

you are more than welcome!

[spiritwolf46]

And why when LE found out she wasn't working didn't they ask how she was paying the nanny?

ITA! I will bet that will be put in the opening statement for the Prosecution! If not, is should be in the opening AND the last statement by the Prosecution!

[callmetree]

Really! It was getting ridiculous, and nauseating. Hope this board will be better!

Thanks tree, for the new board.

just trying to help out.:blushing:

[WillowInFlight]

ITA! I will bet that will be put in the opening statement for the Prosecution! If not, is should be in the opening AND the last statement by the Prosecution!

Happy New Year Spirit, I just don't see what the defense is going to use. Can they try it as accidental, even though it is listed as a homicide. I really don't see them bringing up the nanny, when there is no proof she existed. No phone numbers, no pictures. I really want to know what their defense is going to be.

[rj1212]

ITA! I will bet that will be put in the opening statement for the Prosecution! If not, is should be in the opening AND the last statement by the Prosecution!

Casey was getting extra money on the side, and I believe LE knows what it is...and I believe it certainly wasn't legal. I'll stop right there, only to say that some more troubling news is on the way for us in early '09 concerning this case.

Brace yourselves...mo

Be back later...

[Mimi428]

I hope I did this right...


It looks right to me!

I thoroughly agree with you about the hot car/hot trunk aspect. There is no way in this world that she could put Caylee in the trunk & not think it had the potential to kill her.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

How does Casey explain affording one?
How does Casey explain the fact that there was no real Zenaida?

How does Casey explain the fact that the other folks who supposedly know Zenaida doesn't know what Casey's talking about?


Casey's lies about Zanny are just as ridiculous as claiming to work for Universal saying "here's the name of my boss..." and "I'll take you to my office..." etc..


Can you just imagine what Casey is thinking in jail right now....knowing that everyone is comparing notes on all her lies....She has got to feel that everyone is aginst her and rightfully so.....I don't like to wish bad on anyone...but this woman deserves to rot in H*** for what she did to Caylee.....and by no means should she have anyone at her side....JMOO

[WillowInFlight]

I don't post much so not sure the replies I will get, but after reading some posts on the other thread I am shocked that people are saying this was a accident and Casey just lost her mind and covered the death up. She shows no signs of this. She never I mean never pleaded for the nanny to give her daughter back. Why??? Becasuse she knew she did it. She told her mom in one of the jailhouse visits that she "hopes they can find Caylee." None of this is right and I refuse to believe that the prosecutors would allow a jurror that would be so niave and believe all those who have lied so many times before over the facts that are in this case. Caylee WAS in Caseys car dead. Casey NEVER called the police. Casey is always more worried about herself than Caylee.

I don't buy the accident bit either, who was making all the searches?. Though if and thats a huge "if", if it was an accident I can see how she might panic and try to cover it up, I think she was afraid of Cindy finding out and what she might face.

[NYGalPal]

Baez has no charisma, can't speak well in public, doesn't dress as well as Johnny cochran did, rest his soul, and certainly won't come up with a catchy rhyme for the jury.

Didn't Beaz say a month or so back that "we will all understand soon"?

[dvsone]

How does Casey explain affording one?
How does Casey explain the fact that there was no real Zenaida?

How does Casey explain the fact that the other folks who supposedly know Zenaida doesn't know what Casey's talking about?


Casey's lies about Zanny are just as ridiculous as claiming to work for Universal saying "here's the name of my boss..." and "I'll take you to my office..." etc..

Well heres the thing, Casey isnt going to explain anything. She will have to rely on others to explain her actions. GOOD LUCK!

[WillowInFlight]

Can you just imagine what Casey is thinking in jail right now....knowing that everyone is comparing notes on all her lies....She has got to feel that everyone is aginst her and rightfully so.....I don't like to wish bad on anyone...but this woman deserves to rot in H*** for what she did to Caylee.....and by no means should she have anyone at her side....JMOO

I don't think she cares, after all she did say she felt safe in jail. I think in her mind she thinks she is in a better place. She doesn't have to deal with the talk or even the death of her daughter. Let mom and dad deal with it.

[Mimi428]

I don't post much so not sure the replies I will get, but after reading some posts on the other thread I am shocked that people are saying this was a accident and Casey just lost her mind and covered the death up. She shows no signs of this. She never I mean never pleaded for the nanny to give her daughter back. Why??? Becasuse she knew she did it. She told her mom in one of the jailhouse visits that she "hopes they can find Caylee." None of this is right and I refuse to believe that the prosecutors would allow a jurror that would be so niave and believe all those who have lied so many times before over the facts that are in this case. Caylee WAS in Caseys car dead. Casey NEVER called the police. Casey is always more worried about herself than Caylee.

I don't think we have to worry just yet about people really, truly believing this was an accident & outrightly rejecting every other possibility. The poster in question did say later on that she was offering the accident defense as a 'devil's advocate' position.

Now when it gets closer to the trial & during the trial, yes, we will have people who will be willing to swear up & down that no matter WHAT evidence is presented, they won't believe it was murder. But we get that in every case.

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Happy New Year Spirit, I just don't see what the defense is going to use. Can they try it as accidental, even though it is listed as a homicide. I really don't see them bringing up the nanny, when there is no proof she existed. No phone numbers, no pictures. I really want to know what their defense is going to be.

Happy New Year to you, too, Willow!

That is a great question and one that I have been asking myself over and over again. What is the Defense going to do? They can't stick with the Nanny story, for that can be proven wrong, and I cannot see any other thing that they can present now. I think when that little baby was found, his "A-HA" moment went right down the tubes and replaced with an "Ut-OH" moment!

This may be one of the shortest trials ever seen, or one with lie after lie after lie that the Defense will try to float.

Will be interesting, for sure!

[shellzbi]

Didn't Beaz say a month or so back that "we will all understand soon"?


Well I sure I get his memo?

[AnnInOhio]

Baez has no charisma, can't speak well in public, doesn't dress as well as Johnny cochran did, rest his soul, and certainly won't come up with a catchy rhyme for the jury.

True, but OJ and Casey both share some unorthodox ideas about where to look for suspects! Unbeknownst to most of us, suspects are apparently drawn to "clubs". OJ searches golf courses (golf clubs?)), Casey goes drinking and dancing at clubs.

Baez's buzz line? How about "Casey likes to dance, not sit, so please aquit."

[GumShoeJoe]

Didn't Beaz say a month or so back that "we will all understand soon"?

Maybe he meant that HE will understand soon. I think most understand, already.

[WillowInFlight]

Didn't Beaz say a month or so back that "we will all understand soon"?

Yep and Lenny said we would hear news that would shake the world. :rolleyes:

[dvsone]

Didn't Beaz say a month or so back that "we will all understand soon"?

yeah. He is about as intuitive as a rock. I dont understand (*&#%.

[Barbara fl.]

Happy New Year Spirit, I just don't see what the defense is going to use. Can they try it as accidental, even though it is listed as a homicide. I really don't see them bringing up the nanny, when there is no proof she existed. No phone numbers, no pictures. I really want to know what their defense is going to be.



I have a suspiscion that they are going to go the route of a nanny ...and that she was in this country illigal and so she kept a low profile (so low that not one single person ever laid eyes on her)....I wonder how Casey managed to meet her? No landlord, no neighbor, no store clerk, not one single person ever laid eyes on this person...I think it would be fair to conclude that she doesn't exists....

The acciden theory is long gone from that table...just because a COD has not been determined does not mean she wont be tried for murder....They charged her with murder before they ever found a body....which leads me to believe they have a lot more on Casey then we can imagine.....JMOO

[NYGalPal]

Well I sure I get his memo?

I got it, didn't you?

Casey murdered Caylee.

I firmly believe he knew it too.

[GumShoeJoe]

Happy New Year to you, too, Willow!

That is a great question and one that I have been asking myself over and over again. What is the Defense going to do? They can't stick with the Nanny story, for that can be proven wrong, and I cannot see any other thing that they can present now. I think when that little baby was found, his "A-HA" moment went right down the tubes and replaced with an "Ut-OH" moment!

This may be one of the shortest trials ever seen, or one with lie after lie after lie that the Defense will try to float.

Will be interesting, for sure!
I think all they can do what Geragos did with SP: attack the prosecution witnesses, the forensics, and introduce some goofy theory though their questions.

The jury will yawn, look at their watches, and finish deliberation in time to go home for dinner.

[Barbara fl.]

True, but OJ and Casey both share some unorthodox ideas about where to look for suspects! Unbeknownst to most of us, suspects are apparently drawn to "clubs". OJ searches golf courses (golf clubs?)), Casey goes drinking and dancing at clubs.

Baez's buzz line? How about "Casey likes to dance, not sit, so please aquit."


I love it :thumbsup:

[dvsone]

Happy New Year to you, too, Willow!

That is a great question and one that I have been asking myself over and over again. What is the Defense going to do? They can't stick with the Nanny story, for that can be proven wrong, and I cannot see any other thing that they can present now. I think when that little baby was found, his "A-HA" moment went right down the tubes and replaced with an "Ut-OH" moment!

This may be one of the shortest trials ever seen, or one with lie after lie after lie that the Defense will try to float.

Will be interesting, for sure!
Well I think you spirit wolf win for question of the moment. Im not even sure he knows what he is gonna do. Acutally, Im pretty damned sure he doesnt, because NO ONE stutters and ummmss and ahhhs in a court room, yet commands it at the same time.

[Postergeist]

(Brought forward from previous thread)
Casey's only hope is for an OJ Simpson-esque "Hail Mary" defense! She'll have to rely on Baez & Co. to find a rogue cop in the Orange County police dept who is on tape somewhere admitting that he HATES young, single mothers who don't work to support themselves and their children (especially if they lie about it). They'll plant the theory that said rogue cop, after tracking down Zanny the Nanny (who confesses to Caylee's murder, but DID work as a Nanny to support her son), conspired with Zanny to frame Casey for the death. The rogue cop is going to the mountains to live with Zanny as soon as the coast is clear! OJ and Casey end up as penpals and write a book about finding a soulmate.

In other words, Casey is toast.

oh dear, lol- well this time the *n* word - Nanny won't be helping the defense.

If the State is allowed- just showing the pics of Casey and the internet searches and her texting and saying "does this look like a grieving, panic-stricken mom?" will make a big impression on the jury. And historically, juries don't cotton too well to defendants and any connection to porn- and that was also on the computer forensic finds- regardless of who got the cookies on there- it didn't bode well for Michael Peterson, Scott P, et al.

Lots to show from cctv of Casey showing her activities and state of mind after the disappearance.

If her parents are called onto the stand- and if they are seen as hostile witnesses- that's gonna hurt Inmate Anthony, as Baez doesn't represent them.

If Baez and the Inmate get all touchy feely during the trial, like the Menendez's atty did- oh, that will draw some stink eyes as well.

If a juror gets all moony eyed over the defendant- that will be noticed by the other jurors too.

But Casey likes toast, doesn't she? I know she likes bagels!

:laugh:

imo

[AnnInOhio]

I don't think she cares, after all she did say she felt safe in jail. I think in her mind she thinks she is in a better place. She doesn't have to deal with the talk or even the death of her daughter. Let mom and dad deal with it.

She's probably focused on trying to figure out how she can manipulate the guards into giving her free candy when her commissary money runs out. Casey likely cares very little about what others think. Hey, she's still getting free room & board without working and everybody is talkng about her! She wins!

[breezie]

I got it, didn't you?

Casey murdered Caylee.

I firmly believe he knew it too.

and he's got no further questions. so there! ::snicker::

remember his ridiculous press conference?

[MerriMent]

Happy New Year Spirit, I just don't see what the defense is going to use. Can they try it as accidental, even though it is listed as a homicide. I really don't see them bringing up the nanny, when there is no proof she existed. No phone numbers, no pictures. I really want to know what their defense is going to be.

It's charged and being prosecuted as murder. The only way the defense can use an "accidental" scenario is to put Casey on the stand and hope the jury will believe her story it was an accident. The jury didn't believe Bobby Cutts and it is doubtful they will believe Casey, which is why I believe her attorney isn't attempting the "it was an accident" scenario.

I think the defense will use a temporary insanity defense.

[NYGalPal]

well....YEAH.....but so far the only thing I understand is that he's acting like a putz.


That's no act. He is one.



:lol:

[shellzbi]

I don't post much so not sure the replies I will get, but after reading some posts on the other thread I am shocked that people are saying this was a accident and Casey just lost her mind and covered the death up. She shows no signs of this. She never I mean never pleaded for the nanny to give her daughter back. Why??? Becasuse she knew she did it. She told her mom in one of the jailhouse visits that she "hopes they can find Caylee." None of this is right and I refuse to believe that the prosecutors would allow a jurror that would be so niave and believe all those who have lied so many times before over the facts that are in this case. Caylee WAS in Caseys car dead. Casey NEVER called the police. Casey is always more worried about herself than Caylee.


Any juror that uses there common sense will come up with

I'm not buying what Casey is selling. IMO.

[playnice]

the defense is going to throw out every situation they can come up with to see if one will stick . Thats par for the course so it doesnt bother me people doing it here.
The problem I see for them is they carried the nanny story too far, too long. People arent going to get past that. that story isnt going to stick and its too late to say anyone else did it.
the only thing I can think of was accident and she panicked which I personally wouldnt buy because her actions after the fact are loud and clear. Happy as hell and party party party. If it were an accident there would be sadness, depression and remorse and Ive not seen one tape even giving me a glimse of that. The strutting, high fiving even when she was out of jail on bond is just disgusting. The only time Ive seen anything close to real emotion was when she knew her butt was going back to jail with no chance of bond. Im the videos it all about her.
She is a total waste of space.

[Barbara fl.]

With Linda Baden on the defense team...I can hear "the rush to judgement" theory and they "had murder on their mind"....

Well I just hope they don't try and use the suicide theory....I wouldn't put anything past this bunch (team).....anything they say will be rediculous....and it wont sell a jury.....she is going....:thumbdown:

[AnnInOhio]

oh dear, lol- well this time the *n* word - Nanny won't be helping the defense.
**snip**

I can't believe I overlooked the N word! Baez will work that in somehow.

[Barbara fl.]

the defense is going to throw out every situation they can come up with to see if one will stick . Thats par for the course so it doesnt bother me people doing it here.
The problem I see for them is they carried the nanny story too far, too long. People arent going to get past that. that story isnt going to stick and its too late to say anyone else did it.
the only thing I can think of was accident and she panicked which I personally wouldnt buy because her actions after the fact are loud and clear. Happy as hell and party party party. If it were an accident there would be sadness, depression and remorse and Ive not seen one tape even giving me a glimse of that. The strutting, high fiving even when she was out of jail on bond is just disgusting. The only time Ive seen anything close to real emotion was when she knew her butt was going back to jail with no chance of bond. Im the videos it all about her.
She is a total waste of space.


I agree 1000%

[trich]

And why when LE found out she wasn't working didn't they ask how she was paying the nanny?

well if you remember Casey clammed up as soon as she got Baez.
I don't think she ever answered a question again from LE.

[spiritwolf46]

I think all they can do what Geragos did with SP: attack the prosecution witnesses, the forensics, and introduce some goofy theory though their questions.

The jury will yawn, look at their watches, and finish deliberation in time to go home for dinner.


I am with ya! I don't think it will take too much more, like I said earlier, than 31 days, a script and looking for the nanny at Fusion while fondling the fruit on a pole with another woman while her precious baby was missing.

I have to keep the faith in our legal system (hindered a LOT after the O.J. trial) but I have to think that our jurors are pretty smart and will see through the smoke and mirrors.

[NYGalPal]

and he's got no further questions. so there! ::snicker::

remember his ridiculous press conference?

Who could forget? Embarassing. He's worse than Mark Garagos.

[GumShoeJoe]

With Linda Baden on the defense team...I can hear "the rush to judgement" theory and they "had murder on their mind"....

Well I just hope they don't try and use the suicide theory....I wouldn't put anything past this bunch (team).....anything they say will be rediculous....and it wont sell a jury.....she is going....:thumbdown:

And that mis-named "dream team" will look foolish in the process. I am surprised LKB signed on for this one, this aint Hollywood.

[Mimi428]

If Baez and the Inmate get all touchy feely during the trial, like the Menendez's atty did- oh, that will draw some stink eyes as well.



<snipped>

OMigosh, I had not even thought that far ahead about the touchy/feely displays between Baez & Casey. I wonder what the heck he is going to do to keep her behavior modified? Maybe he will put LKB next to her & make sure he is not by Casey's side. I don't think she has the comprehension skills to realize how really BAD that looks to the jury.

JMO

[MGM111]

She's probably focused on trying to figure out how she can manipulate the guards into giving her free candy when her commissary money runs out. Casey likely cares very little about what others think. Hey, she's still getting free room & board without working and everybody is talkng about her! She wins!

Yep...and lets not forget about the upcoming hot inmate body contests and there must be a pole around there somewhere...uggh!

[cloe23]

Can you just imagine what Casey is thinking in jail right now....knowing that everyone is comparing notes on all her lies....She has got to feel that everyone is aginst her and rightfully so.....I don't like to wish bad on anyone...but this woman deserves to rot in H*** for what she did to Caylee.....and by no means should she have anyone at her side....JMOO

I think that Casey is a true sociopath and believes she will beat this.
Now that Jose B. has puffed her up again, their taken a different approach now. Used to be who took Caylee, now it is who killed Caylee.

[spiritwolf46]

and he's got no further questions. so there! ::snicker::

remember his ridiculous press conference?

LOL! That had to have been one of my favorite moments! I wonder what he thought when he went home and watched himself (cuz ya know he DID!) on tape and heard himself! Wish I could have been a fly on THAT wall! :lol:

[SavannahStar]

Hi, I'm back. And nope, not gonna play defense attorney any more. I wanted to respond to this one because I think you are absolutely right. There are going to be plenty of huge heavy shoes dropping in this case before we see the light of day.

I am still flip-flopping every day over this case. This is why I was interested this morning in someone posting a poll I would be curious to know how many people are certain this is a murder, how many think this was an accident and how many are just not sure.

Also, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to disregard the duct tape in their theories, especially saying "duct tape across the mouth" because it has not been confirmed by anyone with clout that there was any duct tape except by Nancy Grace and Leonard Padilla.

:biggrin:

I think you did a good job.

And I do think there are some people who think an accident is plausible. Casey's own unique "wacked-ness" IMO makes it quite possible for her to cover up and lie like she did, as well as NOT call 911 and party like a fool afterwards. I've never come across anyone like her, EVER. I do not believe for one minute she is just a "typical" garden-variety sociopath. It goes much, much further than that. And I don't mean mental illness. The only word I can think of to use is my own made-up "wacked-ness." :wink:

Glad you brought it up about the duct tape. There is a lot in this case which is simply NOT CONFIRMED but people take it as gospel.

[nc1948]

How does Casey explain needing a nanny when she wasn't even working?

Didn't Cindy say she paid $400.00 a week for the Nanny. If I remembered this incorrectly I am so sorry. But if she was giving Casey $400 a week to pay Nanny, that is where Casey was getting her spending money. That is more than a lot of people make a week.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't think she cares, after all she did say she felt safe in jail. I think in her mind she thinks she is in a better place. She doesn't have to deal with the talk or even the death of her daughter. Let mom and dad deal with it.


But she has to be thinking about when she goes to the big house...right now jail is a piece of cake...prison is a whole different picture.....

But your right, if a mother doesn't care about murdering her child there really isn't much that would concern her....

I really enjoyed seeing Scott Peterson being taken to the big house (even if it is on DR)...

I'll enjoy watching her being taken off also....And I'm not a vengeful person...it's just that what she did is way out there and she deserves the worst....

[NYGalPal]

I think that Casey is a true sociopath and believes she will beat this.
Now that Jose B. has puffed her up again, their taken a different approach now. Used to be who took Caylee, now it is who killed Caylee.

She is the famale version of Scott Peterson, sociopath.

[MerriMent]

Only thing is they will have to prove the insanity....and mental illnes, which I believe she suffers from...is not always the same as insanity.....and she DID know right from wrong or she wouldnt have covered it up.

they only have to prove temporary insanity to a judge. I think that is why they are sticking with the "Zanny did it" scenario.

[shellzbi]

Hi, I'm back. And nope, not gonna play defense attorney any more. I wanted to respond to this one because I think you are absolutely right. There are going to be plenty of huge heavy shoes dropping in this case before we see the light of day.

I am still flip-flopping every day over this case. This is why I was interested this morning in someone posting a poll I would be curious to know how many people are certain this is a murder, how many think this was an accident and how many are just not sure.

Also, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to disregard the duct tape in their theories, especially saying "duct tape across the mouth" because it has not been confirmed by anyone with clout that there was any duct tape except by Nancy Grace and Leonard Padilla.

Hi Jan, Glad your back you sure played a good game of Devil's Advocate earlier.

As far as the Duct Tape the jury in my head is not 100% confirmed. Time will tell.

I am not wavering. I believe that Casey killed Caylee. My common sense tells me that.

IMO. I respect everyone's point of view.

[happygert]

And that mis-named "dream team" will look foolish in the process. I am surprised LKB signed on for this one, this aint Hollywood.


Yep it sure is Caylee had the dream team.

[AnnInOhio]

Following the small truths among the lies theory, I wonder if Casey left Caylee asleep (knocked out) someplace other than the car trunk ... say, maybe at the vacant apartment at Sawgrass, or some other vacant apartment or building. Or maybe even at home prior to June, if she was fairly certain the house was empty at specific times.

We have no good information on how often Caylee was with Casey when Casey wasn't at the House of Anthony. G&C were vague about that, at least from what we've seen/heard.

For some reason I can't fathom, I don't think Casey ever drugged Caylee in order to go party. I think Cindy was willing to watch Casey any chance she got; Caylee was probably created a diversion for Cindy from her unhappy marriage and money problems. That's the only explanation I can think of for Cindy believing that whatever else Casey was capable of she wouldn't harm Caylee. After Casey got busted for being at a "no clothes" party instead of working she probably thought she was going to start getting hassled by Cindy, so she put an end to the issue.

[GumShoeJoe]

the defense is going to throw out every situation they can come up with to see if one will stick . Thats par for the course so it doesnt bother me people doing it here.
The problem I see for them is they carried the nanny story too far, too long. People arent going to get past that. that story isnt going to stick and its too late to say anyone else did it.
the only thing I can think of was accident and she panicked which I personally wouldnt buy because her actions after the fact are loud and clear. Happy as hell and party party party. If it were an accident there would be sadness, depression and remorse and Ive not seen one tape even giving me a glimse of that. The strutting, high fiving even when she was out of jail on bond is just disgusting. The only time Ive seen anything close to real emotion was when she knew her butt was going back to jail with no chance of bond. Im the videos it all about her.
She is a total waste of space.

Agree, they carried the nanny story too far for too long. All that got her was charged with murder1. And unless she can plead it down to an accident, she is stuck with it.

I cannot believe she didn't try to try the accident excuse/reason before they found the body. Why the nanny story? I think she was trying to get away with murder1, I don't think she was trying to get away with an accidental death.

[trich]

IMO just realizing that Casey waited 31 days and still it took Cindy to report Caylee missing says GUILTY .
If Mark had agreed for her to come out to Ca ....that is where she would have been to this day ...minus Caylee and with so many excuses as to where she was.

[NYGalPal]

But she has to be thinking about when she goes to the big house...right now jail is a piece of cake...prison is a whole different picture.....

But your right, if a mother doesn't care about murdering her child there really isn't much that would concern her....

I really enjoyed seeing Scott Peterson being taken to the big house (even if it is on DR)...

I'll enjoy watching her being taken off also....And I'm not a vengeful person...it's just that what she did is way out there and she deserves the worst....

I wish her to get the same sentence she gave Caylee. How about that? If I can't have that, death row would be fine. At least in Florida they don't wait forever to execute someone.

The memory of seeing SP get carted off was sweet.

:thumbsup:

[daniel green]

SavannahStar


Quote:
Originally Posted by Barbara fl.
Yes, she mentions it at Universal with LE...but my opinion on that is that she might have become aware of the video while home at Cindy's that night and realized that she had left the book with the body....I can not figure out why else she would have mentioned that she had a video of Caylee with a book.....JMOO

No she does not mention that SPECIFIC video. When talking about the alleged phone call from Caylee she said she was talking about her book, and then she says (paraphrased) "we have videoS of her reading that book."

So the SPECIFIC Father's Day video is not mentioned. Nor is that specific book.

You are right about that, Savannah.

[Mimi428]

I think the defense will use a temporary insanity defense.

<snipped>

What the h#ll are they waiting for, then, I wonder? If that is something they want to pursue, they should have had Casey being examined & TREATED for some malady. They have not even hinted that she is under the care of any medical professional other than jail personnel.

Baez claiming she had a panic attack in jail & him claiming she asked for a sedative & him claiming she had to be sedated won't cut it. Somebody would have to actually testify to it. And even if that could be done, it would only be one instance.

I don't think there is even the smallest chance of that because of the amount of time that has already gone by. Now if they could say & prove that the minute she got to the jail she showed evidence of delirium, hallucinations, delusions & all that stuff, that would be one thing, but they can't do that.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Didn't Cindy say she paid $400.00 a week for the Nanny. If I remembered this incorrectly I am so sorry. But if she was giving Casey $400 a week to pay Nanny, that is where Casey was getting her spending money. That is more than a lot of people make a week.


I didn't hear that but if thats so then that's the answer...why would she have had to work?....she got a paycheck without working....If Cindy was doing that she was way off....What would make her do such a thing.....

I have helped my son out with sitters fee but I knew he was working and giving his all...and I paid the sitter directly...I would have had to see her paycheck every week before I would give 10 cents....

[playnice]

And that mis-named "dream team" will look foolish in the process. I am surprised LKB signed on for this one, this aint Hollywood.

Thats another thing about the dream team. They are use to working with celebraties. Well, the jury may sit there and feel like OJ, Michael Jackson and the rest of them are larger than God and be smitten by their smiles and charm and wonder how they could ever do anything wrong.

Casey is high profile. she is a celeb. In a very bad bad way. There is a beautiful little child that WILL be shown sing "Please Dont Take My Sunshine Away" and mommy monster did just that. they wont find Casey charming. They will find her disgusting.

This is also FL and what weve seen so far the court isnt intimiadated by the dream team. They are not in Hollywood.

[WillowInFlight]

ITA, Willow. And when she does think about it, I'll bet she's sure everything's under control. Her family and her attorney are busy getting her out of her latest little scrape.

I think Baez has her convinced that even if she has to serve some time, it won't be life. Casey probably still thinks she she is sitting there because of the theft charges, I don't think she gives Caylee a second thought.

[spiritwolf46]

Hiya, spirit.

I'm beginning to think, based on Casey's Baez-ordered isolation from her family coupled with the fact that her family has lawyered up, that the defense is going to involve throwing another A or two under the bus.

Prolly so! He just may take what Casey told her boyfriends about Lee and George and go from there. That is always in the back of my mind. Working on the sympathy side for Casey and what she had to (SUPPOSEDLY) endure through her life.

I am NO fan of any of the Anthony's, and I think all know this, but I don't think that Lee nor George did anything to her when she was young. Just another "poor me" lie from a seasoned liar. I think they are guilty as he77 as enabling and creating a monster, but that is moo.

[AnnInOhio]

Hiya, spirit.

I'm beginning to think, based on Casey's Baez-ordered isolation from her family coupled with the fact that her family has lawyered up, that the defense is going to involve throwing another A or two under the bus.

Well, that would be easier (and probably cheaper) than trying to find a rogue cop to blame!

[Postergeist]

<snipped>

OMigosh, I had not even thought that far ahead about the touchy/feely displays between Baez & Casey. I wonder what the heck he is going to do to keep her behavior modified? Maybe he will put LKB next to her & make sure he is not by Casey's side. I don't think she has the comprehension skills to realize how really BAD that looks to the jury.

JMO

well, maybe they'll make a request for some sort of libido lowering drug to be put in the water carafe on the table, and that will also lessen her hippy hippy shake when she comes into the courtroom each day?

I'll bet he gets her a real school marmish wardrobe to wear too.

I am wondering if hair dye is allowed in jail? If not, she'll be looking like she's in need of a touch up by the time this gets to trial.

If it's carried on tv- do ya think the camera will catch her doodling "Mrs. Casey Lazzaro or Mrs. Baez the II" or something?

:wink:

oh dear Lord, as long as she's not allowed to have a crayon!!! Didn't the defense let Couey sit there and color?! ackkk!!!

[trich]

<snipped>

What the h#ll are they waiting for, then, I wonder? If that is something they want to pursue, they should have had Casey being examined & TREATED for some malady. They have not even hinted that she is under the care of any medical professional other than jail personnel.

Baez claiming she had a panic attack in jail & him claiming she asked for a sedative & him claiming she had to be sedated won't cut it. Somebody would have to actually testify to it. And even if that could be done, it would only be one instance.

I don't think there is even the smallest chance of that because of the amount of time that has already gone by. Now if they could say & prove that the minute she got to the jail she showed evidence of delirium, hallucinations, delusions & all that stuff, that would be one thing, but they can't do that.

JMO

Of course not she is too busy ordering goodies from the commisary at the jail.

[SavannahStar]

Didn't Cindy say she paid $400.00 a week for the Nanny. If I remembered this incorrectly I am so sorry. But if she was giving Casey $400 a week to pay Nanny, that is where Casey was getting her spending money. That is more than a lot of people make a week.


I don't remember that specific amount. I do recall reading where she had told friends that she paid her "a lot".....a very good amount....something like that.

[WillowInFlight]

It was just driving me nuts that everytime I threw something out there that I figured might be a plausible defense for Casey, someone would say "duct tape over the mouth" I was like what duct tape? The only duct tape I heard was Nancy Grace wrapping her finger around her head and screaming about the skull being wrapped like Imette Guiliene. 'member her? And of course we had Leonard Padilla mentioning it as well, until he got his video tape schpeel.

I am still on the fence with this. Was is an accident or a murder. Did she plan it or was it impulse. Is she sick or evil.

Accident or not, she is sick and evil. Who dumps their child in the woods if they died accidentally, and then goes out clubbing? A sick and evil person.

[shellzbi]

I do not even know how Baez plans to introduce this nanny story as her defense without her testifying. He can not testify to the facts for her, and he has no witnesses that she exists, the only person who can testify to this would be Casey which seems to suggest she will be taking the stand although that would probably only help her be convicted.

They will never let her take the stand. IMO.

The jury will hear her anyway through the jailhouse tapes.

The state will have a field day with her.

[missinglink]

I don't think she cares, after all she did say she felt safe in jail. I think in her mind she thinks she is in a better place. She doesn't have to deal with the talk or even the death of her daughter. Let mom and dad deal with it.


Hi Willow! I think I'm one of the very few who does think it bothers her greatly being in jail. After all, she was always out and about.

I don't think it bothers her at all that she killed Caylee, only that she was arrested for it and I feel that she will definitely be convicted.

I don't even think she's sociopathic, but that's JMO. I think she is just pure EVIL.

Every day that goes by, I bet she's losing it more and more. She may not appear to be losing it...she still has to keep up some front, but I bet she is. I hope that when she lies down to take her naps or when she goes to sleep at night, that when she wakes up she panics, realizing that this is REAL and she's not getting out.

I bet, if given half the chance, she'd try and escape. I don't think she's going to adjust well at all to prison life. I know I'm in the minority on my thinking, but I think she really hates being locked up.

Happy New Year everyone!

Sorry OT, but has anyone heard from House lately after her very sad diagnosis? Sorry CW, but I've been worried about her.

[breezie]

Well, that would be easier (and probably cheaper) than trying to find a rogue cop to blame!

especially one that she hadn't slept with!

[joolz]

Hi, I'm back. And nope, not gonna play defense attorney any more. I wanted to respond to this one because I think you are absolutely right. There are going to be plenty of huge heavy shoes dropping in this case before we see the light of day.

I am still flip-flopping every day over this case. This is why I was interested this morning in someone posting a poll I would be curious to know how many people are certain this is a murder, how many think this was an accident and how many are just not sure.

Also, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to disregard the duct tape in their theories, especially saying "duct tape across the mouth" because it has not been confirmed by anyone with clout that there was any duct tape except by Nancy Grace and Leonard Padilla.

Since it hasn't been verified that it even exists let alone was around the remains as opposed to around the bag, the duct tape plays no part in my belief that Casey is guilty of homicide.

I lean towards intentional but could be persuaded it was accidental by a good defense. Oh wait. . .

[Barbara fl.]

I think that Casey is a true sociopath and believes she will beat this.
Now that Jose B. has puffed her up again, their taken a different approach now. Used to be who took Caylee, now it is who killed Caylee.


You are so right...but my gut is telling me it wont work a bit....she is going to be found guily....and go for life....

These "defense" attorney's kill me.....I consider some of them no better then the criminal themselves.....but of course they will say that everyone needs to be defended and everyone is presumed innocent until proven guilty....(i am so sick of hearing that)....

[num1barb]

Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.



I agree that these computer searches were done by cindy, trying desperately to find the non-existant nanny.

I still think casey found zenaida while casey was hanging around sawgrass. Too much of a coincidence for me that casey points out the EXACT apartment zenaida looked at and tells LE that it's the nannies apartment.

[dgfred]

QUOTE=gaelicpeas;12605381]I was just reviewing one of the computer forensic reports, and on page 13, there is one search on 10-22-07 for Zenaida, and then 2 searches on 6-12-08 for Zenaida (one search is for "Zenaida + Jacksonville", the other search is for "Zenaida + Gonzalez + age 25"). All three of these searches were re-accessed on July 16.

Then, on page 14, there are several more searches, but no dates attached as far as when they occurred. These are searches for "Zannie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26", for "Zanny", and for "Zanie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26".

Here is the link:
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf


Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.[/QUOTE]

Good info there, thanks. Do you have any more stuff on the computer searches, I mean what you think they mean?

[WillowInFlight]

Prolly so! He just may take what Casey told her boyfriends about Lee and George and go from there. That is always in the back of my mind. Working on the sympathy side for Casey and what she had to (SUPPOSEDLY) endure through her life.

I am NO fan of any of the Anthony's, and I think all know this, but I don't think that Lee nor George did anything to her when she was young. Just another "poor me" lie from a seasoned liar. I think they are guilty as he77 as enabling and creating a monster, but that is moo.

ITA as far as the Lee and George stories are concerned. I think from a very young age Casey learned how to garner sympathy from others.

What I don't understand though is George told LE that he didn't believe that Casey has worked in a while, why didn't he check up on that?, If I have suspicions about my children, the oldest being 28 you better believe this old snoop is going to get to the bottom of it.

[dgfred]

And let's not forget when he banged his head getting into the car that day. :tonguewag:

Yes, that was good to me too.

[MerriMent]

<snipped>

What the h#ll are they waiting for, then, I wonder? If that is something they want to pursue, they should have had Casey being examined & TREATED for some malady. They have not even hinted that she is under the care of any medical professional other than jail personnel.

Baez claiming she had a panic attack in jail & him claiming she asked for a sedative & him claiming she had to be sedated won't cut it. Somebody would have to actually testify to it. And even if that could be done, it would only be one instance.

I don't think there is even the smallest chance of that because of the amount of time that has already gone by. Now if they could say & prove that the minute she got to the jail she showed evidence of delirium, hallucinations, delusions & all that stuff, that would be one thing, but they can't do that.

JMO

How do you know Baez hasn't brought in a shrink to examine Casey and that shrink won't provide an expert opinion that Casey was temporarily insane at the time of Caylee's murder? I think everyone needs to brace themselves for this very real possibility.

[SavannahStar]

QUOTE=gaelicpeas;12605381]I was just reviewing one of the computer forensic reports, and on page 13, there is one search on 10-22-07 for Zenaida, and then 2 searches on 6-12-08 for Zenaida (one search is for "Zenaida + Jacksonville", the other search is for "Zenaida + Gonzalez + age 25"). All three of these searches were re-accessed on July 16.

Then, on page 14, there are several more searches, but no dates attached as far as when they occurred. These are searches for "Zannie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26", for "Zanny", and for "Zanie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26".

Here is the link:
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf


Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.

Of course that's correct.

[Barbara fl.]

What is her reputation? Also has she met with casey in person? Linda looks as if she has three tons of "spit fire" and I wonder how her personality would interact with Casey. (In short Linda ain't gonna take no sh*^ from casey)IMOO



I'll go along with her not taking any S*** from Dr. Baden (her husband) but she ate alot of Spectors......


JMOO:rolleyes:

[aubrey04]

<snipped>

OMigosh, I had not even thought that far ahead about the touchy/feely displays between Baez & Casey. I wonder what the heck he is going to do to keep her behavior modified? Maybe he will put LKB next to her & make sure he is not by Casey's side. I don't think she has the comprehension skills to realize how really BAD that looks to the jury.

JMO

Joe Tacopino and his psycho client, Melanie McGuire did a lot of that touchy feely stuff during the trial. It was very surreal to watch, imo. Hopefully Baez and Casey will be smart enough to reign that in during Casey's trial. It just looks bad, especially when the lawyer is married.

[cloe23]

She is the famale version of Scott Peterson, sociopath.

I will throw NE in the fire too. All appear to be addicted to drinking, sex and murdering what stands in their way to be happy, as they feel they deserve. Just sick and wrong.

[dvsone]

I think that Casey is a true sociopath and believes she will beat this.
Now that Jose B. has puffed her up again, their taken a different approach now. Used to be who took Caylee, now it is who killed Caylee.

I think she is a psychopath and Cindy is the sociopath.

[shellzbi]

How do you know Baez hasn't brought in a shrink to examine Casey and that shrink won't provide an expert opinion that Casey was temporarily insane at the time of Caylee's murder? I think everyone needs to brace themselves for this very real possibility.


Baez will shop around till he finds a shrink that will fit into the defense theory whatever that is.

For a fee there is an expert opinion to be bought. IMO.

[CuriousJo]

It was just driving me nuts that everytime I threw something out there that I figured might be a plausible defense for Casey, someone would say "duct tape over the mouth" I was like what duct tape? The only duct tape I heard was Nancy Grace wrapping her finger around her head and screaming about the skull being wrapped like Imette Guiliene. 'member her? And of course we had Leonard Padilla mentioning it as well, until he got his video tape schpeel.

I am still on the fence with this. Was is an accident or a murder. Did she plan it or was it impulse. Is she sick or evil.


Its hard to blame it on accident or impusle, when Casey was on line in March 2008 surfing the web for neck breaking, chloriform and a tv show about a child kindapping plot. And who in their right mind would get a tatoo that says "Beutiful Life" when your child just died?

[gaelicpeas]

QUOTE=gaelicpeas;12605381]I was just reviewing one of the computer forensic reports, and on page 13, there is one search on 10-22-07 for Zenaida, and then 2 searches on 6-12-08 for Zenaida (one search is for "Zenaida + Jacksonville", the other search is for "Zenaida + Gonzalez + age 25"). All three of these searches were re-accessed on July 16.

Then, on page 14, there are several more searches, but no dates attached as far as when they occurred. These are searches for "Zannie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26", for "Zanny", and for "Zanie + Orlando + min age 22 max age 26".

Here is the link:
http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Quote from Calalilly:
Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.[/QUOTE]

Could be. I just saw date created, and assumed that meant the search date. But you could be very right. They were certainly all last accessed on 7-16-08, which IMO does point to Cindy (or Lee) trying to find evidence of Zenaida.

[Barbara fl.]

This trial would almost be worth sneaking off to Florida for me....especially now!



I wonder if they will auction off tickets in the gallery?

Didn't they have some kind of lottery for the SP trial?


I'm not too far from Orlando...but they will probably get a change of venue.....as long as it will be televised, I'll be happy.....but if they pull a SP on us then I'll be wrecked....media doesn't get all the details...

But I'm almost certain it will be on TV....

[MerriMent]

Baez will shop around till he finds a shrink that will fit into the defense theory whatever that is.

For a fee there is an expert opinion to be bought. IMO.

ITA. Wouldn't be the first time or the last and it sure seems to be the way this is headed.

[dvsone]

Yep it sure is Caylee had the dream team.

Why do you guys call that group of clowns the dream team? I understand LKBs link to high profile h-wood cases, but Baez being lead shows me she is in this for the money/notariety. (that comes later... books, interviews etc) This is way more like the Insane Clown Posse.. bumbling and all they need is a ringmaster... not a special master.

[callmetree]

I have a suspiscion that they are going to go the route of a nanny ...and that she was in this country illigal and so she kept a low profile (so low that not one single person ever laid eyes on her)....I wonder how Casey managed to meet her? No landlord, no neighbor, no store clerk, not one single person ever laid eyes on this person...I think it would be fair to conclude that she doesn't exists....

The acciden theory is long gone from that table...just because a COD has not been determined does not mean she wont be tried for murder....They charged her with murder before they ever found a body....which leads me to believe they have a lot more on Casey then we can imagine.....JMOO

i agree with you barbara. what else could they go with? i think they have backed themselves in a corner they can't get out of. i don't care if she spends the rest of her life in prison or gets the death penalty. just as long as she gets one of the two.:angry:

[WillowInFlight]

This is an excellent point. She certainly seemed insane to me when she was going on and on with those first two detectives about all the people she worked with at Universal, these apartment buildings she insisted the Nanny lived at, even bringing them into the Universal offices to show them her office and find her cellphone when she didn't even work there. Who would do such a thing. Sounds insane to me.

Doesn't sound insane to me, sounds like a very calculating liar that has gotten away with it all her life, I think she was thinking why wouldn't LE believe her when in her whole life no one ever questioned her lies.

[SavannahStar]

For some reason I can't fathom, I don't think Casey ever drugged Caylee in order to go party. I think Cindy was willing to watch Casey any chance she got; Caylee was probably created a diversion for Cindy from her unhappy marriage and money problems. That's the only explanation I can think of for Cindy believing that whatever else Casey was capable of she wouldn't harm Caylee. After Casey got busted for being at a "no clothes" party instead of working she probably thought she was going to start getting hassled by Cindy, so she put an end to the issue.

Don't feel alone. I have never believed Casey drugged Caylee as a routine thing. Or ever. And I never bought into the theory that "Zanny" the nanny was Xanax.

[shellzbi]

This is an excellent point. She certainly seemed insane to me when she was going on and on with those first two detectives about all the people she worked with at Universal, these apartment buildings she insisted the Nanny lived at, even bringing them into the Universal offices to show them her office and find her cellphone when she didn't even work there. Who would do such a thing. Sounds insane to me.

To lie in such detail to me is not someone that is insane. Casey is just to organized.

JMO. You have to be very organized and calculating to lie with such ease and detail.

When I think of insane I think of scattered.

[gaelicpeas]

Calalilly says: Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.
Lomar says:
The one in 10/07 and the two in 06/08 though are still questioned as to who did these searches, correct?[/QUOTE]

I think Cala is saying the accounts were created in 10/07 and 6/08, not the search histories. I have no idea, but she could be right about that.

(Sorry, the quote has gotten all messed up)

[Postergeist]

how sadly ironic that when Cindy is being interviewed by Greta way back- she actually mentions her neighborhood-

VAN SUSTEREN: Now, I know you won’t reveal the details, but can you just tell me, has Casey told you what has happened to that child?

CINDY ANTHONY: Yes. In her way. And I can’t reveal that.

VAN SUSTEREN: But in her way — so that, I mean — I know, George, that it was at least reported that you came out the other day and said that Casey said that Caylee was close, which is, you know, rather vague. Is that — is that the kind of information that, Cindy, you have, or do you have, like, specific information that satisfies you?

GEORGE ANTHONY: She just feels that Caylee’s close, she’s still safe.

CINDY ANTHONY: And I think you can interpret that in a couple of ways. Close meaning within the central Florida area, close meaning in the neighborhood — I don’t think that’s what she means — close to maybe coming home. There’s a lot of different ways to interpret that. My interpretation is that she’s, hopefully, in this area.



http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/


huh- I wonder if the State will have any of the TH's in to testify?

[dvsone]

Thats another thing about the dream team. They are use to working with celebraties. Well, the jury may sit there and feel like OJ, Michael Jackson and the rest of them are larger than God and be smitten by their smiles and charm and wonder how they could ever do anything wrong.

Casey is high profile. she is a celeb. In a very bad bad way. There is a beautiful little child that WILL be shown sing "Please Dont Take My Sunshine Away" and mommy monster did just that. they wont find Casey charming. They will find her disgusting.

This is also FL and what weve seen so far the court isnt intimiadated by the dream team. They are not in Hollywood.

she is INfamous, not famous. I dont think she understands that lil "in" prefix.
There is a Hollywood FL.... Maybe they will move the trial there. :cool:

[MerriMent]

NOTHING this defense does could shock me.

There is still a fine line between connyption fit, rally angry, and insane. The prosecution has the right to have their shrinks have a go at her too, and there will be a battle of the experts in that area too.

Not going to be a lot of gray in this one. Either Casey is a very good actress or she is nuts. Even when confronted with her own lies, it appears she simply rolls on to the next one.

[trt]

I don't post much so not sure the replies I will get, but after reading some posts on the other thread I am shocked that people are saying this was a accident and Casey just lost her mind and covered the death up. She shows no signs of this. She never I mean never pleaded for the nanny to give her daughter back. Why??? Becasuse she knew she did it. She told her mom in one of the jailhouse visits that she "hopes they can find Caylee." None of this is right and I refuse to believe that the prosecutors would allow a jurror that would be so niave and believe all those who have lied so many times before over the facts that are in this case. Caylee WAS in Caseys car dead. Casey NEVER called the police. Casey is always more worried about herself than Caylee.

ITA...not only that, but the cops interviewing her gave her SEVERAL opportunities to fess up to this being an accident and SHE maintained that she had nothing to do with it. If they start trying to float an *accidental death* theory now, they will be met with Casey's own EMPHATIC words that nothing happened and that Caylee was kidnapped.

JMO

[cuddlyrunner]

could the trial be moved all the way to the panhandle area? or south to Miami area? or even tampa? So many possibilities.
i've been seriously considering visiting relatives in st Augustine or Lake City. Could be as far away as Panama city, which would be good for me.


I vote move it to England- I promise I'd give you all a report every day!

[WillowInFlight]

Me neither. Or that chloroform is commonly used as a babysitter.

I myself have never even heard of it, I think if Caylee was being drugged routinely there would have been signs.

[dvsone]

Hi Willow! I think I'm one of the very few who does think it bothers her greatly being in jail. After all, she was always out and about.

I don't think it bothers her at all that she killed Caylee, only that she was arrested for it and I feel that she will definitely be convicted.

I don't even think she's sociopathic, but that's JMO. I think she is just pure EVIL.

Every day that goes by, I bet she's losing it more and more. She may not appear to be losing it...she still has to keep up some front, but I bet she is. I hope that when she lies down to take her naps or when she goes to sleep at night, that when she wakes up she panics, realizing that this is REAL and she's not getting out.

I bet, if given half the chance, she'd try and escape. I don't think she's going to adjust well at all to prison life. I know I'm in the minority on my thinking, but I think she really hates being locked up.

Happy New Year everyone!

Sorry OT, but has anyone heard from House lately after her very sad diagnosis? Sorry CW, but I've been worried about her.

I agree. She seems to act like jail is the safest place for her in her vid calls with C&G and she knows the whole USofA is out to get her ... all someone needs is ONE opening. She will be attacked if in public, nor could she hide out forever. Not in her basic nature.

and No on seeing House. (dont know the story) ... I wish her well.

[shellzbi]

What kind of security did Universal have that allowed her to go to "her office" with LE or not if she didnt even work there...??? I missed that one! Shes certainly got gall


Orange County Sheriff detective were with her and he told security to let them pass through.

That's my recall on that.

[playnice]

Not going to be a lot of gray in this one. Either Casey is a very good actress or she is nuts. Even when confronted with her own lies, it appears she simply rolls on to the next one.

I think its years of practice and cindy letting her get away with it. That one jail visit, Cindy could have busted her about the apartment. Cindy knew it was Ricardos but Casey threw in there that zanny had drums.and Cindy just let her get away with it.

[MichelleP]

"Hey, I have no idea what you are talking about with "spin". I thought you knew I was playing devil's advocate for the defense. I wasn't implying anything personal to you. I was just saying that you got worked up there, and that's good because if I am getting to you, Baez can get to a juror."

But who's mind did you change? Anyone's? So what good is getting someone worked up going to do? Change their mind? I don't think so.

There going to see this little 2 year old who's life suddenly ended and the circus that was created around it. Wasn't Casey even offered limited immunity at one time? Didn't LE give her a couple chances to tell the truth and change what she had to say?

[smileyjoe]

Me neither. Or that chloroform is commonly used as a babysitter.

Nor I. I read on a link (that I can't find now) that chloroform doesn't knock a person out for very long. I seem to remember 20 to 30 minutes. So, I have ruled that out based on that information.

imo

Joe.

[breezie]

This is an excellent point. She certainly seemed insane to me when she was going on and on with those first two detectives about all the people she worked with at Universal, these apartment buildings she insisted the Nanny lived at, even bringing them into the Universal offices to show them her office and find her cellphone when she didn't even work there. Who would do such a thing. Sounds insane to me.

insanity only comes in if she admits she did something. Nope. This is a *the prosecution didn't prove it's case*, *sloppy police work*, *rush to judgment* defense. I don't even think they'll introduce the nanny story.

[gaelicpeas]

Lomar says:

Why would she be on a class reunion acct and searching for a Zenaida- am I reading this right? Did I get have cocktails and not remember- :scared:[/QUOTE]

No, I think Cala is suggesting that Casey created a class reunion account earlier, and that on 7-16-08, Cindy (or Lee) searched that class reunion account for Zenaida.

(well, I tried to fix the quote, and it still isn't working... lol)

[CuriousJo]

Don't feel alone. I have never believed Casey drugged Caylee as a routine thing. Or ever. And I never bought into the theory that "Zanny" the nanny was Xanax.

Where do you guys think she was leaving Caylee? She would tell her friends that Caylee was with her mother, and telling her mom she was with her....so where was the kid? I still think Zanny the Nanny was a private joke for Casey when she has sedated Caylee with Xanax and put her in the trunk. Guess we will know when toxicology tests return...........

[cloe23]

I think she is a psychopath and Cindy is the sociopath.

I don't know so much about Cindy. I watched the the re-run on CNN last night, NG. Those first few phone calls that Cindy made to LE imo are real, Cindy was hysterical of the thought that she would never see her granddaughter again. Cindy appeared to care once, Casey appears to be a moment to moment get out of my way, no respect for ANYONE only herself, kinda gal. JMO

[AnnInOhio]

It's really difficult to try to figure out where Cindy stood with regard to caring for Caylee. On the one hand, I'm sure (to your point), she loved the diversion. She aalso appeared, at least in photos, to really enjoy having Caylee around.

On the other hand, I think Cindy was getting the message loud and clear that carrying Casey's entire load in life wasn't having a good outcome. So it seems from what we've read that Cindy was trying to lay down the law with Casey in an effort to force her to take some responsibility for her life, perhaps starting with caring for Caylee.

Then on the third hand (lol), there's the bit about Cindy consulting a professional about what to do about the situation, and it seems that conversation touched on the A's assuming custody of Caylee.

So, it's a mess to try to figure out. Imo, it will be important to the case to understand how involved Casey really was in Caylee's care, vs. Cindy's involvement, and when things started to change, if in fact they did.

I think we have to put some things in context, and the emails between Rick, Cindy, their mom and aunt were an eye-opener for me. Carrying deadbeats apparently wasn't anything new to Cindy; it appears she's carried George throughout most of their marriage. It seems Cindy was recently told she's stuck with George unless she pays him alimony and gives him half of everything. Cindy apparently consulted with a professional due to her depression, not just for advice on what to do about Casey. Cindy had a lot on her plate. Maybe Casey simply did the financial math and figured that, unless either Casey or George were going to lower themselves to become working stiffs somebody in the household was going to have to go. George was starting (another) new job and it looked like Cindy was going to keep him. Perhaps this case, like many others, simply boils down to nothing more than a matter of money: Casey simply thought if somebody had to go, Caylee was expendible.

[WillowInFlight]

"Hey, I have no idea what you are talking about with "spin". I thought you knew I was playing devil's advocate for the defense. I wasn't implying anything personal to you. I was just saying that you got worked up there, and that's good because if I am getting to you, Baez can get to a juror."

But who's mind did you change? Anyone's? So what good is getting someone worked up going to do? Change their mind? I don't think so.

There going to see this little 2 year old who's life suddenly ended and the circus that was created around it. Wasn't Casey even offered limited immunity at one time? Didn't LE give her a couple chances to tell the truth and change what she had to say?

They sure did give her chances, they asked repeatedly if she wanted to change any of her story. Even after she was told she lied about where she worked and she admitted she lied, she went right back to the same lie.

[tisamystery]

Ah, so Casey was paying "Zanny" under the table, huh? I guess the tax man will want to know more about that. :rolleyes:

[AnnInOhio]

Where do you guys think she was leaving Caylee? She would tell her friends that Caylee was with her mother, and telling her mom she was with her....so where was the kid? I still think Zanny the Nanny was a private joke for Casey when she has sedated Caylee with Xanax and put her in the trunk. Guess we will know when toxicology tests return...........

Casey was telling her mom Caylee was with her (Casey) when? If those conversations happened only after June 16th, Caylee was dead.

[smileyjoe]

I'll be interested to watch her facial expressions. That hard-a$$ look she wore back and forth to Jose's office and her meetings with OCSD isn't going to help her case in the courtroom.

The look on KC's face the night she was re-arrested at home was pretty sinister. Cold, cold eyes. imo.

Joe.

[Postergeist]

Doesn't sound insane to me, sounds like a very calculating liar that has gotten away with it all her life, I think she was thinking why wouldn't LE believe her when in her whole life no one ever questioned her lies.

Not only that- heck- she never had any repercussions from those lies, she never seemed to have had to face any sort of punishment or accountability, it seems it was nothing but enabling and coddling.

Crazy like a fox- devious enough to calculate how to steal her grandma's routing #, how to come up with faux bosses and faux work emails.

I do agree though it sounded insane when her mother said that Casey needed to borrow that shovel to dig up those pesky bamboo shoots during the time her daughter had been kidnapped. Now that is just plain crazy, imo.

[joshgabe1]

I keep thinking about the book. If the item in the crime scene photo
is indeed the book Caylee was reading, how could it have stood up to the elements so well that it is still recognizable. It seems to me that even one rainstorm would destroy a childs book. Any thoughts on this ? : confused:

[WillowInFlight]

insanity only comes in if she admits she did something. Nope. This is a *the prosecution didn't prove it's case*, *sloppy police work*, *rush to judgment* defense. I don't even think they'll introduce the nanny story.

breezie, I don't think they will either, and if they try, it will be short lived.

[gino1234]

Any word on when there will be a funeral????? This little girl needs to be laid to rest.

[dvsone]

Even if it could be proven that Casey was the one who did the searches, no one died from having their neck broken.

Well the problem is there were searches for many ideas re death. Chloroform and neck breaking are just 2 of them. What do you suppose they havent shared?

[Jeepers]

She's probably focused on trying to figure out how she can manipulate the guards into giving her free candy when her commissary money runs out. Casey likely cares very little about what others think. Hey, she's still getting free room & board without working and everybody is talkng about her! She wins!

I bet Casey has settled in just fine. snacking, reading, napping. Everyone else around her chasing their tails. Too funny. Casey is still cracking her whip on everybody.
Parents lawyered up trouble for them
brother lawyered up trouble for him
Attorney's hired and quit trouble for them
PR people hired and fired trouble for them
Kinfinder Milstead exposed trouble for him
Lenny getting on TV, Lenny being heckled
Baez fairly new attorney made to look silly and imcompentent
Everyone Casey has come in contact with has had heartburn
She just turns the page and chomps on another pork skin.
But... the clock is ticking and time will soon be up. Then off to the Big House where life ain't so simple. She might say she feels safe in jail, can't wait for her report on how prison gp life is treating her.

[trich]

I keep thinking about the book. If the item in the crime scene photo
is indeed the book Caylee was reading, how could it have stood up to the elements so well that it is still recognizable. It seems to me that even one rainstorm would destroy a childs book. Any thoughts on this ? : confused:

Because it looks like this book is thick and was probably laminated a little bit.
I have seen childrens books like that.
Plus it could have been in the bag and fallen out when the skull rolled out .

[Postergeist]

Orange County Sheriff detective were with her and he told security to let them pass through.

That's my recall on that.


and that she told them she had lost her ID card as well (I think even Cindy mentions this at some point- that Casey had recently lost her ID card from her non-existent job)

so by now- she has lost her ID
lost her kid
lost her Blackjack
lost a SIM card...

and so it goes

[daniel green]

I have a suspiscion that they are going to go the route of a nanny ...and that she was in this country illigal and so she kept a low profile (so low that not one single person ever laid eyes on her)....snipped

I completely disagree. That would be laughed outta the court room. The nanny lie is laughably ridiculous already. No lawyer would go in witht that.

[dgfred]

The way the parents and Casey talked to each other on the phone was,
well creepy... almost like they WERE talking in code, or at least trying to figure out what EXACTLY the other was saying. Something just isn't
right between them... even before Caylee's murder.

[smileyjoe]

It works for an intentional killing though....there was a case where a rapist was using chloroform and accidentally gave the girl too much and she died. I think it was in Kansas and happened near a school pool.

Well, yeah, that would work.

I have thought about KC knocking Caylee out with chloroform, xanex etc. and putting her in the pool to drown.

Maybe KC was afraid that tox would show this, and decided to get rid of the body instead of calling 911 about "an accident".

:shrug:

Joe

[daniel green]

Hi, I'm back. And nope, not gonna play defense attorney any more. I wanted to respond to this one because I think you are absolutely right. There are going to be plenty of huge heavy shoes dropping in this case before we see the light of day.

snipped.

I think the heavy shoes dropped a long time ago in this case.

[MerriMent]

insanity only comes in if she admits she did something. Nope. This is a *the prosecution didn't prove it's case*, *sloppy police work*, *rush to judgment* defense. I don't even think they'll introduce the nanny story.

temporary insanity can be used as a plea along with not guilty.

[martha]

I don't post much so not sure the replies I will get, but after reading some posts on the other thread I am shocked that people are saying this was a accident and Casey just lost her mind and covered the death up. She shows no signs of this. She never I mean never pleaded for the nanny to give her daughter back. Why??? Becasuse she knew she did it. She told her mom in one of the jailhouse visits that she "hopes they can find Caylee." None of this is right and I refuse to believe that the prosecutors would allow a jurror that would be so niave and believe all those who have lied so many times before over the facts that are in this case. Caylee WAS in Caseys car dead. Casey NEVER called the police. Casey is always more worried about herself than Caylee.
ITA with you no mother I know would wait 31 days to report her child missing. If you lose your child for one min in a store you panick or I do. I would have been telling everyone and first thing you would do is call the law to help find your baby if someone kidnapped her.jmho

[MichelleP]

Well, yeah, that would work.

I have thought about KC knocking Caylee out with chloroform, xanex etc. and putting her in the pool to drown.

Maybe KC was afraid that tox would show this, and decided to get rid of the body instead of calling 911 about "an accident".

:shrug:

Joe

I don't think that would be considered an accident.

[missinglink]

and that she told them she had lost her ID card as well (I think even Cindy mentions this at some point- that Casey had recently lost her ID card from her non-existent job)

so by now- she has lost her ID
lost her kid
lost her Blackjack
lost a SIM card...

and so it goes

but Cindy thought Casey HADN'T lost her virginity when she was 7 months pregnant! LOL!

[dgfred]

I feel like Casey did something to Caylee in a fit of anger and talked herself into believing it was an accident. She then panicked, tried to cover it up in any way possible, then found out it was too late to go back and say it was an accident. Lies started to snowball and then she was stuck with the scenario she had made up.

[AnnInOhio]

ITA as far as the Lee and George stories are concerned. I think from a very young age Casey learned how to garner sympathy from others.

What I don't understand though is George told LE that he didn't believe that Casey has worked in a while, why didn't he check up on that?, If I have suspicions about my children, the oldest being 28 you better believe this old snoop is going to get to the bottom of it.

It appears George was kind of the pot calling the kettle black. He hadn't been doing much working himself so it would have been a little hard for him to call Casey on that subject. I didn't initially realize when he was talking about remembering the time he last saw Caylee because he was going to work that day that it was his first day on the job.

[smileyjoe]

I don't think that would be considered an accident.


Well, sure it isn't. Maybe that was the plan. To make it look like an accident. But in the end, KC reevaluated the tox information that would likely contest that scenario.

Joe.

[WillowInFlight]

but Cindy thought Casey HADN'T lost her virginity when she was 7 months pregnant! LOL!

So Cindy says, I will never believe she believed the story she told at the wedding, I think she was trying to save face, no way could anyone know Casey was about to become an unwed mother. That just doesn't happen in the Anthony family.

[MalloryCat]

Because it looks like this book is thick and was probably laminated a little bit.
I have seen childrens books like that.
Plus it could have been in the bag and fallen out when the skull rolled out .

So, you think if the book was in the bag the act of decomposition would not affect the book?

[dgfred]

So, you think if the book was in the bag the act of decomposition would not affect the book?

Maybe the book wasn't with the body the entire time.

[cloe23]

well, maybe they'll make a request for some sort of libido lowering drug to be put in the water carafe on the table, and that will also lessen her hippy hippy shake when she comes into the courtroom each day?

I'll bet he gets her a real school marmish wardrobe to wear too.

I am wondering if hair dye is allowed in jail? If not, she'll be looking like she's in need of a touch up by the time this gets to trial.

If it's carried on tv- do ya think the camera will catch her doodling "Mrs. Casey Lazzaro or Mrs. Baez the II" or something?

:wink:

oh dear Lord, as long as she's not allowed to have a crayon!!! Didn't the defense let Couey sit there and color?! ackkk!!!

LOL Hippy Hippy shake, your to kind. She is going to have to practice a new saunter in her free time or I'm betting her tiara will fall off if she doesn't stop with that swing. Wonder what size it will be? It has to be growing.:scared:

[smileyjoe]

I feel like Casey did something to Caylee in a fit of anger and talked herself into believing it was an accident. She then panicked, tried to cover it up in any way possible, then found out it was too late to go back and say it was an accident. Lies started to snowball and then she was stuck with the scenario she had made up.

That is another scenario I have thought about too.

Joe.

[Postergeist]

I keep thinking about the book. If the item in the crime scene photo
is indeed the book Caylee was reading, how could it have stood up to the elements so well that it is still recognizable. It seems to me that even one rainstorm would destroy a childs book. Any thoughts on this ? : confused:

If it was placed in the garbage bag and not really exposed until much later, after the animals got to it. LP thinks the child was double bagged- in a bag that split in the trunk and got the ooze/stain out on the trunk floor and on Casey's pants and then another bag used and duct taped.

Some theories floating on the MBs is that she also used one of those vac bags on her that would give more on an airtight seal then the garbage bag to conceal the clear bag.

From the lab tests- it appears that the body was already contained in something and not getting exposure to ambient air in the trunk.

That's why her purchases would be interesting to note if she did purchase anything that is pretty air tight and water proof.

But LE did take it into evidence.

imo

[daniel green]

I think Baez has her convinced that even if she has to serve some time, it won't be life. Casey probably still thinks she she is sitting there because of the theft charges, I don't think she gives Caylee a second thought.

I doubt that. I am sure he is being honest with her and no way is Casey thinking she is in on theft charges. We don't know what she thinks about or doesn't think about.

[MichelleP]

So, you think if the book was in the bag the act of decomposition would not affect the book?

I thought only the living decompose when they die?

Edited to add: Living when they die.

[jammies]

and that she told them she had lost her ID card as well (I think even Cindy mentions this at some point- that Casey had recently lost her ID card from her non-existent job)

so by now- she has lost her ID
lost her kid
lost her Blackjack
lost a SIM card...

and so it goes



Casey is a loser.

[dgfred]

Casey is a loser.


Good point!

[jammies]

ITA with you no mother I know would wait 31 days to report her child missing. If you lose your child for one min in a store you panick or I do. I would have been telling everyone and first thing you would do is call the law to help find your baby if someone kidnapped her.jmho

Instead, Casey went to a "neutral place". WTH? She doesn't care enough to FAKE an emotion!

[WillowInFlight]

I doubt that. I am sure he is being honest with her and no way is Casey thinking she is in on theft charges. We don't know what she thinks about or doesn't think about.

Yeah, he's probably being as honest with her as she is with him. LOL

[MerriMent]

Maybe the book was placed there at a later time, like in between the meter reader calls to LE.

or after Casey told Lee her gut feeling was that Caylee was close by the home.

[Postergeist]

but Cindy thought Casey HADN'T lost her virginity when she was 7 months pregnant! LOL!


:blink: oh yeah, that one. Not very observant to a RN that had birthed two children to believe that a protruding belly was "female problems" and not a fetus developing.

:rolleyes:

[jammies]

So Cindy says, I will never believe she believed the story she told at the wedding, I think she was trying to save face, no way could anyone know Casey was about to become an unwed mother. That just doesn't happen in the Anthony family.


Then WHY did they take Casey with them? She was OBVIOUSLY preggers. Any idiot could see that. Was Cindy in THAT much denial that she paraded her 7mos preg. daughter around and was SHOCKED to learn it wasn't just a silly "female problem"?
Or did she simply hope no one in the family would mention it?

[MerriMent]

I don't think Lee helped his sister cover up the murder of his niece.

How is tossing a book into a swamp helping cover up the murder?

[Cury-us Coyote]

The Caylee Anthony Case: A Special Look
Greta takes an in-depth look at the slaying of Florida toddler Caylee Anthony and key events in the murder mystery. Watch the 'On the Record' special tonight at 10 ET!
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html

[MichelleP]

How is tossing a book into a swamp helping cover up the murder?

Who said that's what he did?

[WillowInFlight]

Then WHY did they take Casey with them? She was OBVIOUSLY preggers. Any idiot could see that. Was Cindy in THAT much denial that she paraded her 7mos preg. daughter around and was SHOCKED to learn it wasn't just a silly "female problem"?
Or did she simply hope no one in the family would mention it?

I think she was hoping it wouldn't be noticed, my God if you have a daughter who looks 7 months pregnant and you believed she was having female problems wouldn't you be rushing her to the dr's? Though Casey probably had them convinced she had gone herself. I just don't buy that Cindy didn't know the truth. Maybe they were trying to keep it from George, after all he seems to believe anything and everything.

[shellzbi]

The Caylee Anthony Case: A Special Look
Greta takes an in-depth look at the slaying of Florida toddler Caylee Anthony and key events in the murder mystery. Watch the 'On the Record' special tonight at 10 ET!
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html


Thank You.

[cloe23]

This is an excellent point. She certainly seemed insane to me when she was going on and on with those first two detectives about all the people she worked with at Universal, these apartment buildings she insisted the Nanny lived at, even bringing them into the Universal offices to show them her office and find her cellphone when she didn't even work there. Who would do such a thing. Sounds insane to me.

IMO if Casey was insane that her family and friends would of seen many clues couple that with her admitting that she was lying when LE cornered her at universal re: her office. If insane she would of been saying chit like 'it was just here the other day' confronting office workers 'what did you do with me stuff' She knew she was lying and she knew she just got caught.

[jammies]

The Caylee Anthony Case: A Special Look
Greta takes an in-depth look at the slaying of Florida toddler Caylee Anthony and key events in the murder mystery. Watch the 'On the Record' special tonight at 10 ET!
http://www.foxnews.com/ontherecord/index.html


Thanks, CuC! Have to catch it at 1am as I'll be at the CAVS GAME!!! I'll wave at y'all! Would love to make a poster that says "You goin' DOWN, CASEY" and hold up at the game. lol

[steffaroob4]

live next wesh (http://www.wesh.com/video/14515757/index.html)
Dominic casey

[MerriMent]

Who said that's what he did?

I'm not. I just think it is possible somebody later tossed that book in the area. If the book had been in that swampy area the entire six months, it would have been a real mess.

[jammies]

I think she was hoping it wouldn't be noticed, my God if you have a daughter who looks 7 months pregnant and you believed she was having female problems wouldn't you be rushing her to the dr's? Though Casey probably had them convinced she had gone herself. I just don't buy that Cindy didn't know the truth. Maybe they were trying to keep it from George, after all he seems to believe anything and everything.


If I were trying to keep the truth from my family, I would have left my daughter at home. No wonder Rick has washed his hands of them. Run, Rick, RUN!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Investigator Denies Finding Caylee's Remains
http://www.wesh.com/news/18401020/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/video/18401070/index.html

[Jeepers]

Just because they say that Casey did those searches, doesn't make it true. Without proof, I don't believe it.

Just to throw it out there maybe in Casey's mind she was mad at her situation, friends planning trip PR knowing she could not go, constant squabbles with Cindy over Caylee and money problems. Maybe not looking at those searches as actual ways to carry out a devious plan but just looking at these sites to play little evil revenge mind games while she was sitting there pouting about her miserable self. Not to actually carry out breaking someone's neck for real just in her mind. The chloraform how to make sites I cannot come up with a way to explain that away because that was actually detected in the car. I just think that Casey entertained mean thoughts in her head and looked them up when she was mad. Just her twisted mind at work.
No reason for the use of choloraform to be made innocently. JMO No answer for that.

[AnnInOhio]

Then WHY did they take Casey with them? She was OBVIOUSLY preggers. Any idiot could see that. Was Cindy in THAT much denial that she paraded her 7mos preg. daughter around and was SHOCKED to learn it wasn't just a silly "female problem"?
Or did she simply hope no one in the family would mention it?

Maybe they were afraid to leave Casey home alone because they knew she was a thief? It's not like Casey was working or doing anything constructive to fill her days, and Cindy probably didn't want to pay for a nanny to supervise her, so they dressed her up and brought her along.

[Katt2]

I myself have never even heard of it, I think if Caylee was being drugged routinely there would have been signs.

I agree. I have never believed Caylee was drugged or spent any time in the car trunk until her demise. I also don't believe the abuse allegations by Casey or that the Anthony home was a House of Horrors.
Message boards are much like the media--sensationalism at its best.

[spiritwolf46]

According to you, though, nothing is relevant to this case. lol Not sure how one navigates through life refusing to connect the dots.

Instinct, insight, perception, common sense, applying what we've learned in the world ... these are all good things. These are things that often keep us safe from serious harm.

There's nothing noble about refusing to connect the dots, imo.

great post!

[daniel green]

Me neither. Or that chloroform is commonly used as a babysitter.

For real. That is so crazy.

I've never seen a case where that happened. I am trying to think back through all the child abuse/neglect cases I've been involved with in 20 yrs, and I cannot think of even one where Xanax was used, let alone chloroform. I've seen benadryl used.

[8BellesFan]

Nothing is for sure in this case.

there is one thing for sure. a not quite 3 year old child is lost forver for no reason and left laying in a garbage bag, while nobody called the police for a month and when finally help is called, the mother (term used very loosely) does her best to muddy the trail to her. that is for sure.

[Postergeist]

Maybe the book wasn't with the body the entire time.


good point- I don't know if everything was revealed that LE initially took from the Anthony home during the initial search warrants.

We know that the parents do mention a few things that they recovered- some they washed.

Maybe they mention that one of Caylee's books was in there, Cindy did her Febreeze- they don't bother to take it as evidence, just note that g'ma points out this book...

then the remains are discovered. Now here's this book- last time they saw it, it was in the Anthony home.

Caylee did get out on bond- she was driven every day and was out late nights- whose to say she didn't lob it out the window during a dark drive by, or get one of her family members to?

imo

[dgfred]

I don't think Lee helped his sister cover up the murder of his niece.

Well he sure was/is acting sort of suspicious.

[daniel green]

I agree. I have never believed Caylee was drugged or spent any time in the car trunk until her demise. I also don't believe the abuse allegations by Casey or that the Anthony home was a House of Horrors.
Message boards are much like the media--sensationalism at its best.

I hear ya. And I agree completely.

Or the idea that CA is a "princess." Seems like her young life has been anything but princess-like.

[WillowInFlight]

If I were trying to keep the truth from my family, I would have left my daughter at home. No wonder Rick has washed his hands of them. Run, Rick, RUN!

Well we are talking about the Anthonys, it had been awhile since they had seen Rick, Cindy probably thought she could snow him. IMO. Heck Rick is the one that told Cindy from day one that Caylee was dead, seems to be the only sane one in the family.

[MichelleP]

Investigator Denies Finding Caylee's Remains
http://www.wesh.com/news/18401020/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/video/18401070/index.html

Thanks for the links.

[daniel green]

The dysfunctional dynamics of this family quite likely contributed to Caylee's death. That happens to be of more importance to me than what is or isn't an "issue" at trial. But that's just me.

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.

[nc1948]

Hi, I'm back. And nope, not gonna play defense attorney any more. I wanted to respond to this one because I think you are absolutely right. There are going to be plenty of huge heavy shoes dropping in this case before we see the light of day.

I am still flip-flopping every day over this case. This is why I was interested this morning in someone posting a poll I would be curious to know how many people are certain this is a murder, how many think this was an accident and how many are just not sure.

Also, I would like to know if anyone would be willing to disregard the duct tape in their theories, especially saying "duct tape across the mouth" because it has not been confirmed by anyone with clout that there was any duct tape except by Nancy Grace and Leonard Padilla.

I can disregard the duct tape as it has not been confirmed. To me the most telling was not reporting her missing for 30 days. That is enough for me. But I don't think Casey will testify, so how is all this info going to get into the trial? I don't think we will hear a lot of Cindy lies because they really don't have anything to do with murder of Caylee. The Mother of the Year, She always tells the truth when she lies, If you don't hear it from Casey, George, Lee or me it is a lie, are things I don't see will be brought up. But we will see.

[dgfred]

I don't really think he has acted suspicious.

Something about their phone conversations really had me suspicious, but you may be right. Why hire a lawyer if there is absolutely nothing to worry about?

[shellzbi]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.



Thank You. I fell the same way.

[MalloryCat]

Investigator Denies Finding Caylee's Remains
http://www.wesh.com/news/18401020/detail.html
http://www.wesh.com/video/18401070/index.html

So, I wonder how he will respond to Padillas claims where he said he was going to go get the body and that Caylee was dead?

[MichelleP]

I don't think of that as gossip. And the book IS relevant to the case if in fact they found it there.

But you don't know how long the book has or has not been there. So you are speculating just like the rest of us.

[WillowInFlight]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.

This family's actions show them to be anything but the norm. If that isn't a dysfunctional family I sure don't know what is.

[8BellesFan]

well, I think referring to having a violent verbal and physical confrontation as having a good evening is a tad dysfunctional. But that's just me.

[tisamystery]

Then WHY did they take Casey with them? She was OBVIOUSLY preggers. Any idiot could see that. Was Cindy in THAT much denial that she paraded her 7mos preg. daughter around and was SHOCKED to learn it wasn't just a silly "female problem"?
Or did she simply hope no one in the family would mention it?

This whole family lies in the face of evidence.

[Jeepers]

The look on KC's face the night she was re-arrested at home was pretty sinister. Cold, cold eyes. imo.

Joe.

I agree very Cold, that is why I cannot go with accident theory. Average 22 year old girl getting handcuffed and carted off to jail. She would be petrified. Average 22 yr old girl falls asleep her baby drowns in swimming pool would be horrified and broken. She would not have feared her mother or the devil himself if some horrific accident happened to her baby girl. Average 22 yr old girl being locked up in jail for stealing money would be petrified at what if any jail time she would be sentenced to. Average 22 yr old girl being charged for murder of her baby girl would not be eating, reading, napping she would be on sucide watch and telling the world I panicked, how sorry she was and ate up with guilt. She would tell where she hide the baby, and swear she did not mean for this happen. Casey does not display any remorse any signs of emotion for Caylee and what happend to her. Just business as usual for. No accident

She is just Cold

[8BellesFan]

Have you followed this case? At all? Because you seem to be a Johnny come lately to this forum, jumping aboard over the last few days, calling things "silly" that quite frankly are anything but.

If you don't understand the impact of family dynamics and upbringing to who we become in the world, you're missing a lot of background information that could prove very useful to you in life.


I think the whole thing is stemmed from family dynamic starting before Caylee was born.

[Postergeist]

According to you, though, nothing is relevant to this case. lol Not sure how one navigates through life refusing to connect the dots.

Instinct, insight, perception, common sense, applying what we've learned in the world ... these are all good things. These are things that often keep us safe from serious harm.

There's nothing noble about refusing to connect the dots, imo.

Who knows what the State will present, but they already have a boat load of witnesses to call. They may want to establish a pattern of lying and denial by both the defendent and her mother that goes back to when the child was still in utero.

Or if they bring up any charges against Cindy- maybe they will bring it up at her trial- more than one trial gets bogged down with minutiae to try and make a point.

I remember when I was a juror on a capital murder trial and the notes and cross references I had to keep up with all the street names of the parties involved- at least none of them also had user names too!

imo

[daniel green]

Then WHY did they take Casey with them? She was OBVIOUSLY preggers. Any idiot could see that. Was Cindy in THAT much denial that she paraded her 7mos preg. daughter around and was SHOCKED to learn it wasn't just a silly "female problem"?
Or did she simply hope no one in the family would mention it?

Who knows? She probly wanted her to be there and was embarrassed. Happens all the time.

My cousin and her mom STILL insist that her first daughter (now 34) came 3 months prematurely. And the baby weighed almost 14 lbs at birth and had to use a crib they brought over from pediatrics because she did not fit in the isolette. :blushing:

ETA: And my cousin moved her wedding up from summer to spring and everyone knew and nobody cared/cares, but they still tell that story.

[NYGalPal]

According to you, though, nothing is relevant to this case. lol Not sure how one navigates through life refusing to connect the dots.

Instinct, insight, perception, common sense, applying what we've learned in the world ... these are all good things. These are things that often keep us safe from serious harm.

There's nothing noble about refusing to connect the dots, imo.

Good post. I agree.

[daniel green]

Who knows what the State will present, but they already have a boat load of witnesses to call. They may want to establish a pattern of lying and denial by both the defendent and her mother that goes back to when the child was still in utero.

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I do not believe there is a judge in this country who would allow that as relevant.

[Katt2]

well, I think referring to having a violent verbal and physical confrontation as having a good evening is a tad dysfunctional. But that's just me.

There is no proof there was ever a "violent and physical" confrontation. If half of what is posted on this board was ever introduced in court, it would be thrown out in a second as hearsay.

[daniel green]

Imo, if they can surface the unholy relationship between Cindy and Casey and how Caylee paid the price, they'll come very close to the heart of the matter.

Oh, goodnesss, that seems so way over the top. unholy relationship. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

[breezie]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.

for real? They are about as dysfunctional as they come. Doesn't mean anything about the murder, but the cover up? That's what always sinks ships.

[daniel green]

There is no proof there was ever a "violent and physical" confrontation. If half of what is posted on this board was ever introduced in court, it would be thrown out in a second as hearsay.


Of course there isn't. And there is no way that 1/100th of waht is posted about this case would ever make it to a trial to begin with--let alone be thrown out.

[Calla]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.

Amen Daniel Green! Amen

[NYGalPal]

Thats fine. I'm less interested in the gossip and more interested in the issues that will likely play a part in the trial. To each his own.

Shock :ohmy: You mean what you post is not gossip? FYI, we aren't even close to a trial yet.

[8BellesFan]

There is no proof there was ever a "violent and physical" confrontation. If half of what is posted on this board was ever introduced in court, it would be thrown out in a second as hearsay.

when they ask Gramma, we'll know. Cindy probably told her mother of it.

[gaelicpeas]

The entire situation surrounding that pregnancy is so incredibly hinky to me. It's the thing I keep coming back to as a statement about how screwed up this family really is. It's one thing to be derailed by a pregnant teenage daughter -- happens every day. It's another thing altogether to pretend she isn't, fgs, and to fly her to a wedding with you and stand around denying it to family and friends. That's just off the charts dysfunctional, imo.

ITA. And then on top of that, the whole issue of who the father is. Casey told 3 or 4 different stories to different friends, and then there is the added bit where Cindy told either LE or the FBI that they had gone to a lawyer to make sure the father could never get custody - and then we find out in the doc dump that this lawyer was contacted and said he knew nothing about it! And then Cindy can't remember the supposed father's name.

I agree - all very hinky. IMO

[Jeepers]

Who knows? She probly wanted her to be there and was embarrassed. Happens all the time.

My cousin and her mom STILL insist that her first daughter (now 34) came 3 months prematurely. And the baby weighed almost 14 lbs at birth and had to use a crib they brought over from pediatrics because she did not fit in the isolette. :blushing:

ETA: And my cousin moved her wedding up from summer to spring and everyone knew and nobody cared/cares, but they still tell that story.

That is funny a 14 lb preemie:w00t:

[Postergeist]

I do not believe there is a judge in this country who would allow that as relevant.

Doesn't mean it won't get said and the jury hears it, and the judge then strikes it.

Have you watched or followed or served on many trials? Lots and lots of stuff gets in- but you don't have to take my word for it.

There's always google.

imo

[daniel green]

What would you label a relationship that ends with the death of a toddler? "Silly?" :rolleyes:

I believe that saying that the murder of this child, may she RIP, was in any way caused or created by a relationship between mother and daughter IS silly. Nonsensical.

And I do not believe that the relationship between mother and daughter is, necissarily, over.

[8BellesFan]

What would you label a relationship that ends with the death of a toddler? "Silly?" :rolleyes:

functional:ohmy:

[Ladyhawk]

Maybe they were afraid to leave Casey home alone because they knew she was a thief? It's not like Casey was working or doing anything constructive to fill her days, and Cindy probably didn't want to pay for a nanny to supervise her, so they dressed her up and brought her along.

IRRC Casey was working when she was pregnant.

[AnnInOhio]

For real. That is so crazy.

I've never seen a case where that happened. I am trying to think back through all the child abuse/neglect cases I've been involved with in 20 yrs, and I cannot think of even one where Xanax was used, let alone chloroform. I've seen benadryl used.

Benadryl is, unfortunately, very common.

[?noanswer]

Didn't Cindy say she paid $400.00 a week for the Nanny. If I remembered this incorrectly I am so sorry. But if she was giving Casey $400 a week to pay Nanny, that is where Casey was getting her spending money. That is more than a lot of people make a week.

One would think if anyone was paying $400.00 per week for a "nanny", ($400. * 52 weeks is $20,800 per year) there would be a record. C&G are not wealthy. If they were paying a sitter, they could claim it on their income tax. If C gave KC $400. cash without any kind of documentation, she is ......... (fill in the blank, I don't want to get in trouble) JMO

[daniel green]

Have you watched or followed or served on many trials?
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Literally thousands. For over 28 yrs.

[AnnInOhio]

IRRC Casey was working when she was pregnant.

IIRC, Casey's payroll showed even when she worked she never made more than a few thousand dollars a year. So it's not like she's ever worked a 40 hour week for any extended period of time.

[8BellesFan]

Lee Anthony, brother of Casey, son of Cindy and George, reported a confrontation between his mother and his sister in which Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat. Not sure what your definition of a "violent and physical" confrontation is, but a near choking meets mine.


thanks hon, I could not remember who the reporting party was. :loveeyes:

[2lakes]

That is funny a 14 lb preemie:w00t:

I can't even imagine a 14 pound full term baby!

My son was 3 months premature and weighed 2 pounds at birth. I remember when "sugar babies" were put in the NICU and they looked like giants compared to my little guy.

[spiritwolf46]

Oh, goodnesss, that seems so way over the top. unholy relationship. :rolleyes::rolleyes:

Why don't you just skip the posts that you don't like and continue on. Most here catch on VERY quickly when a poster follows another one around and tries to stir the pot! YOU are doing just that. Some people are entitled to their opinion but you seem to be just entitled. I am up for discussions, but this is just plain attacking another poster.

Hey all, woodwork opened up and some came crawling out. See ya laterz!

Pray very hard for little Caylee! May justice be done for HER! :rose:

[?noanswer]

Hi Willow! I think I'm one of the very few who does think it bothers her greatly being in jail. After all, she was always out and about.

I don't think it bothers her at all that she killed Caylee, only that she was arrested for it and I feel that she will definitely be convicted.

I don't even think she's sociopathic, but that's JMO. I think she is just pure EVIL.

Every day that goes by, I bet she's losing it more and more. She may not appear to be losing it...she still has to keep up some front, but I bet she is. I hope that when she lies down to take her naps or when she goes to sleep at night, that when she wakes up she panics, realizing that this is REAL and she's not getting out.

I bet, if given half the chance, she'd try and escape. I don't think she's going to adjust well at all to prison life. I know I'm in the minority on my thinking, but I think she really hates being locked up.

Happy New Year everyone!

Sorry OT, but has anyone heard from House lately after her very sad diagnosis? Sorry CW, but I've been worried about her.


I agree with you. She was a cell phone addict. I think being without a cp will be enough to drive her up the wall. JMO

[dgfred]

The searches are kind of weird too... why worry now after sooooo long of no worry about the nanny???

[Katt2]

Lee Anthony, brother of Casey, son of Cindy and George, reported a confrontation between his mother and his sister in which Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat. Not sure what your definition of a "violent and physical" confrontation is, but a near choking meets mine.

I am not really trying to be argumentative but did Lee witness it or is it something Casey told him?

[8BellesFan]

I don't recall the body farm reporting high levels of Benedryl in the trunk.

[VC2]

but Cindy thought Casey HADN'T lost her virginity when she was 7 months pregnant! LOL!

honestly i think is a perfect example of cindy's denial mechanisms. Women can look heavily pregnant when they aren't, i dont even want to think of the number of times i was asked when i was due :blushing: all my fat goes to the belly so its possible

IMO cindy just "knew" that casey would not be having sex so therefore could not be pregnant. Pregnancy would mean her daughter was doing something she did not want to deal with so therefore she wasn't. No way that she was just lying so relatives didn't know, even cindy is aware that within a couple of months the proof would be out. I think she just was not able to deal with caysee being pregnant so denied it even to herself until it became really obvious or caysee told her.

It is why i still feel she really believed that caysee had not killed caylee, that she was kidnapped etc. If she can fool herself about a pregnancy imo even easier to see that she was in complete denial that caylee was dead and caysee was responsible.

IMO

[i_pickle]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.They hindered the investigation by giving the wrong hair brush to LE. They seem to have enabled Casey all of her life and they refused to face the reality that their daughter may have harmed Caylee despite her lies and manipulations for 31 days and the smell in her car, for starters.

Yeah, I think it's safe to say there is dysfunction in that family, as well as subterfuge

I think it's "silly" that anyone posts in absolutes about anything in this case.

[Postergeist]

Literally thousands. For over 28 yrs.

Well, did any of those thousands last for more than 2 days?

Any involve the death of a 2 year old?

Any have things mentioned that the judge later told the jurors to ignore that last statement?

When it comes down to the trial- CW will likely allow what she has done in the past of other trials- there will be a Fence Sitter thread, a SODDI thread, a NG thread and G thread- there should be plenty of threads to make everyone happy.

[daniel green]

Times change, especially over a 20 year period. Just because no child has been proved to have died from a Xanax or chloroform dosing to date, doesn't mean it hasn't happened, and doesn't mean it won't.

Several of the talking head experts who've opined on this case have mentioned both drugs as being the up-and-coming babysitters of choice for young parents who want to go out and party rather than stay home with children.

Times do change. But, as I said, even though nobody cares, my cousin and her mom still insist, to this day, that her daughter was premature.

I did not say that a child has not died from chloroforn or Xanax. What I said that, looking back to the thousands of child abuse/neglect cases on which I have worked, since 1980, I cannot think of ONE where Xanax or chlorofom was used to get children to sleep. I was not talking about child deaths.

Thos THs are outta of their minds if they made that statement. That is just ridiculous.

[daniel green]

Well, did any of those thousands last for more than 2 days?

Any involve the death of a 2 year old?

Any have things mentioned that the judge later told the jurors to ignore that last statement?

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Yes.

Yes.

Yeah, but there are things that are not even allowed to go in at all and no lawyer would bring up, which is what I aid.

[?noanswer]

How do you know Baez hasn't brought in a shrink to examine Casey and that shrink won't provide an expert opinion that Casey was temporarily insane at the time of Caylee's murder? I think everyone needs to brace themselves for this very real possibility.

That's almost a given if they admit to Casey murdering her. But if they stick with the nanny theory, there would be no need to do that. Anyway, I'm sure the Prosecution has already thought of that. They did an evaluation before she was released on bail. JMO

[daniel green]

They hindered the investigation by giving the wrong hair brush to LE. snipped.

If they did that, then they did hinder. Doesn't mean the fam is dysfunctional or "unholy relationship."

[bchand]

when they ask Gramma, we'll know. Cindy probably told her mother of it.

You mean Great Grandmom right? Hey maybe they'll ask Cindy herself and she'll tell the truth.


Naaaaaaaaaaaaaa

[daniel green]

I agree with everything you have posted on this forum (and others too). I hope you stay around and post more. I, for one, value your thoughts and opinions.

Well, thank you! That is very nice.

Come Monday it's back to work for me, and I swore to myself I would never get interested in this case or post about it. :unsure: But now that I have done so, I will keep an eye on it.

[VC2]

o/t John Travolta's 16 year old son has died at their vacation home in the bahamas. Aparently hit his head on the bathtub and had a seizure (or had a seizure and hit head). Sketchy info so far, was just on fox

[Calla]

Alot of analytical remarks are made because it is human naature to look for a reason why in every horrible tragedy. It is human nature to want to blame someone or something. Not just Casey for the act..but whatever caused the act.
I personally think there are alot of things that led to this horrific event, but I think the Anthony's were as 'normal' an american family as there is prior to this. What's normal anyway and who gets to decide?
Those who have had the misfortune of dealing with hidden pregnancies, teens who are suffering from childhood traumas, children who have such a need to please that they hide their mistakes, and even parents carrying their own tramatic sufferings with them, do the best they know how at the time. If they knew better they would do better.
I wish I could back the train up on events that happened to me in my childhood and happened to my children, but I can't. The flip side is, I would not know what I know without those experiences.

It's all a learning process when you parent. You can't tell perfect parents of perfect children anything about these issues. It's a waste of breath.

I do partake in disecting the personalities of the 'actors' and reasoning behind what occurred, but I do because the human psyche involved in criminal acts interests me. The more we learn about why and how, the more prepared we are to deal with these events.

I still will never blame the Anthony's for their daughter's acts, because I am not willing to be blamed if one of my own fails.

I will continue to pray for their family's peace .

p.s. if you are her ONEUP...great post on the previous thread regarding control and powerlessness..Great Post!

[Katt2]

Well, did any of those thousands last for more than 2 days?

Any involve the death of a 2 year old?

Any have things mentioned that the judge later told the jurors to ignore that last statement?

When it comes down to the trial- CW will likely allow what she has done in the past of other trials- there will be a Fence Sitter thread, a SODDI thread, a NG thread and G thread- there should be plenty of threads to make everyone happy.

I really doubt there will be much need for anything other than a G thread.
I think some posters mistakenly think that some of us that have defended the Anthony family transfer that to NG for Casey and in my case it couldn't be further from the truth. I firmly think Casey is guilty of the death of her child but the only thing I am on the fence about is whether it might have been accidental or not.

[Jeepers]

I can't even imagine a 14 pound full term baby!

My son was 3 months premature and weighed 2 pounds at birth. I remember when "sugar babies" were put in the NICU and they looked like giants compared to my little guy.

That is sweet. I bet you were scared stiff to hold him. sooo little!
That little Caylee was a cutie! I loved the pic with her bb hat & her moma doll sitting in the car.
Just such a shame so many lives tore up and tore apart.

[?noanswer]

Quote from Calalilly:
Ya know, I studied that report and finally decided based on the search information that the searches were done by Cindy on July 16 when she was frantically trying to locate a "Zanny" while Casey was being "interviewed" by LE. If you look closely, the accounts searched appear to be Caseys. One was a myspace and one was a class reunion acct. which Casey had setup in 07 and 08. The initial dates of creation. When Cindy accessed them on 7-16 the data from the creation date was displayed.

Could be. I just saw date created, and assumed that meant the search date. But you could be very right. They were certainly all last accessed on 7-16-08, which IMO does point to Cindy (or Lee) trying to find evidence of Zenaida.[/QUOTE]

If Cindy or Lee had to search for her, then that proves they didn't know about her beforehand. JMO

[daniel green]

honestly i think is a perfect example of cindy's denial mechanisms. Women can look heavily pregnant when they aren't, i dont even want to think of the number of times i was asked when i was due :blushing: all my fat goes to the belly so its possible

IMO cindy just "knew" that casey would not be having sex so therefore could not be pregnant. Pregnancy would mean her daughter was doing something she did not want to deal with so therefore she wasn't. No way that she was just lying so relatives didn't know, even cindy is aware that within a couple of months the proof would be out. I think she just was not able to deal with caysee being pregnant so denied it even to herself until it became really obvious or caysee told her.

It is why i still feel she really believed that caysee had not killed caylee, that she was kidnapped etc. If she can fool herself about a pregnancy imo even easier to see that she was in complete denial that caylee was dead and caysee was responsible.

IMO

Ditto, ditto, ditto, ditto, VC!

[breezie]

Times do change. But, as I said, even though nobody cares, my cousin and her mom still insist, to this day, that her daughter was premature.

I did not say that a child has not died from chloroforn or Xanax. What I said that, looking back to the thousands of child abuse/neglect cases on which I have worked, since 1980, I cannot think of ONE where Xanax or chlorofom was used to get children to sleep. I was not talking about child deaths.

Thos THs are outta of their minds if they made that statement. That is just ridiculous.
so because YOU haven't seen it, it can't /didn't happen?

[i_pickle]

If they did that, then they did hinder. Doesn't mean the fam is dysfunctional or "unholy relationship."I didn't make reference to an "unholy relationship" so maybe you should check who you are responding to prior to posting.

That is, if you can find the time from following "literally thousands":rolleyes: of trials.

[daniel green]

o/t John Travolta's 16 year old son has died at their vacation home in the bahamas. Aparently hit his head on the bathtub and had a seizure (or had a seizure and hit head). Sketchy info so far, was just on fox

Wow, how awful!

[daniel green]

so because YOU haven't seen it, it can't /didn't happen?

Oh, goodness gracious.

I did not say it had not happened. I said I had not seen or heard of one. Not just from this country or from the country in which I previously worked--but from any of the literature which is routinely rcvd by us.

[i_pickle]

So deliberately hindering the investigation into the disappearance of your granddaughter is "functional" then? :rolleyes:LOL, or "standard issued."

:blink:

[trich]

Nothing is for sure in this case.

Oh yes it is:

The fact that she never told anyone her daughter was missing until Cindy reported her missing 31 days later.

[jammies]

So deliberately hindering the investigation into the disappearance of your granddaughter is "functional" then? :rolleyes:


Everybody does it :blink:

[?noanswer]

how sadly ironic that when Cindy is being interviewed by Greta way back- she actually mentions her neighborhood-



http://cayleeanthony.wordpress.com/2008/08/06/george-and-cindy-anthony-speak-with-greta-transcript/


huh- I wonder if the State will have any of the TH's in to testify?

IIRC, LE has already subpoenaed the tapes/transcripts from a media outlet. They could subpoena any of G&C interviews. JMO

[Elle]

I am not really trying to be argumentative but did Lee witness it or is it something Casey told him?

Hello, IIRC, Lenny stated that Lee was told by Casey.

[tisamystery]

o/t John Travolta's 16 year old son has died at their vacation home in the bahamas. Aparently hit his head on the bathtub and had a seizure (or had a seizure and hit head). Sketchy info so far, was just on fox

OH, no! His sister is a friend of mine. I'm scared to call her until I hear it myself on the news. How awful.

[breezie]

More labels. Those "ridiculous" talking heads, regardless of what you think of them, are degreed professionals.

Just a suggestion: You might want to try "I disagree" vs. labeling things "silly" and "ridiculous." Just because your opinion differs doesn't mean opposing opinions are silly or ridiculous.

my favorite is the feigned outrage. Oh goodness!

[Calla]

honestly i think is a perfect example of cindy's denial mechanisms. Women can look heavily pregnant when they aren't, i dont even want to think of the number of times i was asked when i was due :blushing: all my fat goes to the belly so its possible

IMO cindy just "knew" that casey would not be having sex so therefore could not be pregnant. Pregnancy would mean her daughter was doing something she did not want to deal with so therefore she wasn't. No way that she was just lying so relatives didn't know, even cindy is aware that within a couple of months the proof would be out. I think she just was not able to deal with caysee being pregnant so denied it even to herself until it became really obvious or caysee told her.

It is why i still feel she really believed that caysee had not killed caylee, that she was kidnapped etc. If she can fool herself about a pregnancy imo even easier to see that she was in complete denial that caylee was dead and caysee was responsible.

IMO

FWIW

my child hid her pregnancy for nearly 7 mos.

and for the record..I am neither an idiot nor an individual who lives in denial..so if you haven't experienced it, I don't think it should be something to make assumptions about.
Lots of people don't look pregnant when they are and some do when they are not.
I don't think Cindy was the liar or the one in denial. That was Casey then and Casey now. You can only ask so many times and be told no.
Casey was making a fool of her mom then, just as she has this time.

[Elle]

o/t John Travolta's 16 year old son has died at their vacation home in the bahamas. Aparently hit his head on the bathtub and had a seizure (or had a seizure and hit head). Sketchy info so far, was just on fox

Very sad news.

[Katt2]

Hello, IIRC, Lenny stated that Lee was told by Casey.


Oh that's right! I remember hearing Lenny tell that on NG. Well that makes a huge difference! It has to be true!

[bchand]

Well, did any of those thousands last for more than 2 days?

Any involve the death of a 2 year old?

Any have things mentioned that the judge later told the jurors to ignore that last statement?

When it comes down to the trial- CW will likely allow what she has done in the past of other trials- there will be a Fence Sitter thread, a SODDI thread, a NG thread and G thread- there should be plenty of threads to make everyone happy.

I would like a thread where reading up on the case is a requirement. There is so much nonsense going on in the last few days it's ridiculous.

We have a links thread here with tons of info. I never mind someone coming along and asking questions but when someone comes in and acts like an expert on the case and doesn't have good knowledge of it, it's another thing.

[AbbyNormal]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.The A's are anything but standard issue, LOL. It is the level of dysfunction in this family that keeps people glued to the news and message boards. No one, NO ONE, could keep Cindy quiet. Until little Caylee's body was found. And now she wants immunity?

The dysfunction in the family may be brought out by the defense.....

jmo

[legalmania]

OH, no! His sister is a friend of mine. I'm scared to call her until I hear it myself on the news. How awful.

I already reported this in breaking news the full story is there.

[breezie]

Oh that's right! I remember hearing Lenny tell that on NG. Well that makes a huge difference! It has to be true!

why would Lee A. tell LE that if it weren't true? I just don't get this family. Sorry, this fully functional family.