Jan. 2 Part II

[i_pickle]

More labels. Those "ridiculous" talking heads, regardless of what you think of them, are degreed professionals.

Just a suggestion: You might want to try "I disagree" vs. labeling things "silly" and "ridiculous." Just because your opinion differs doesn't mean opposing opinions are silly or ridiculous.Thank you for handling that in such a polite manner.

We all have opinions and a little respect goes a long way. It's just not necessary to denigrate others that you disagree with.

I've been doing much more reading than posting and I admit to coming into the case late (after the remains were found) but I would never presume to know more than others here about anything regarding this tragic case.

[tisamystery]

Its on HLN right now.

Oh, this just breaks my heart. I never met John but his sister always told me how deeply he loved his son. His son was disabled, as you probably knew, and despite media reports that John and Kelly were in denial they were, in fact, traveling the world to find help for him. How very, very, sad.

[gaelicpeas]

If Cindy or Lee had to search for her, then that proves they didn't know about her beforehand. JMO

Good point...

[bchand]

Thats just silly.

Has anyone heard if Lee is going to be arrested for sure?

You'll have to ask his lawyer, HE's the one reporting it.

[marshmallow]

Nothing is for sure in this case.

many things are.

1. Caylee is dead.
2. Casey didn't report her child missing/kidnapped to authorities
3. Casey didn't tell anyone, including her mother, that Caylee was missing
3.5 Casey chose instead to spend quality time with her boyfriend, party, drink, dance, and get a tattoo rather than report her child missing and help the attempt to locate her.
4. Casey did not help LE in any way after Caylee's disappearance became known.
4.5 Casey lied to authorities when they were attempting to piece together her story of how her child came to be missing.
4.5b Casey gave several stories about Caylee's disappearance
5. Caylee's skeletal remains were found in a garbage bag near the home she resided at


I'd go on but I'm hungry and want to go order some chow.
my point is that there are plenty of "for sures" in this case and if you leave out duct tape, LP, NG, Geraldo, and other "non for sures" you can still get an idea of the case and form an opinion.

[Katt2]

why would Lee A. tell LE that if it weren't true? I just don't get this family. Sorry, this fully functional family.

I am not saying it is not true. I am asking if there is verification if it is true. Did Lee tell Le about it? I do remember Lenny telling it but not Lee.

[terri]

ITA with you no mother I know would wait 31 days to report her child missing. If you lose your child for one min in a store you panick or I do. I would have been telling everyone and first thing you would do is call the law to help find your baby if someone kidnapped her.jmho



I totally agree with you martha. The rest of seem to complicate
the story... but YOU always bring us back to the real issue, and
the bottom line.. Thank you.:)

[jammies]

Thank you for handling that in such a polite manner.

We all have opinions and a little respect goes a long way. It's just not necessary to denigrate others that you disagree with.

I've been doing much more reading than posting and I admit to coming into the case late (after the remains were found) but I would never presume to know more than others here about anything regarding this tragic case.


I already love ya!! :biggrin:

[daniel green]

So deliberately hindering the investigation into the disappearance of your granddaughter is "functional" then? :rolleyes:

I think that parents instinctively want to protect their children.

[bchand]

Oh, hello! :thumbup:

Hi there. Tough day eh?

:bored:

[cloe23]

Literally thousands. For over 28 yrs.

Maybe in your next 28yrs there will be some on your plate?
I am so happy with science today and all the different ways that investigators can find and prove appalling evidence and getting convictions. A body farm and air samples IMO are so impressive.

:biggrin:

[MichelleP]

I think that parents instinctively want to protect their children.

From what? Why would they do that when they thought she was safe with a nanny?

[Calla]

I think that parents instinctively want to protect their children.

And instinctively want to believe them.

[AbbyNormal]

Imo, if they can surface the unholy relationship between Cindy and Casey and how Caylee paid the price, they'll come very close to the heart of the matter.Perfect summary!

Someday, I would like to read what the FBI profilers have to say about the major participants in this sad case.

[Elle]

FWIW

my child hid her pregnancy for nearly 7 mos.

and for the record..I am neither an idiot nor an individual who lives in denial..so if you haven't experienced it, I don't think it should be something to make assumptions about.
Lots of people don't look pregnant when they are and some do when they are not.
I don't think Cindy was the liar or the one in denial. That was Casey then and Casey now. You can only ask so many times and be told no.
Casey was making a fool of her mom then, just as she has this time.
You are correct, there are those that do not look pregnant and can hide it for quite some time, however there is a picture taken of Casey at her uncles wedding where she is obviously very pregnant (seven months). I do recall though Cindy stating in one of her interviews, I believe with the FBI, that she knew Casey was pregnant but waiting for Casey to tell her, and I know there were emails exchanged with Rick and his mom where he states that Cindy was not aware or denying it or something to that effect. So there you go, more conflicting accounts.

[i_pickle]

Welcome to the board. :seeya:
Thanks!

It's been interesting, albeit, tragic.

[AbbyNormal]

That is funny a 14 lb preemie:w00t:My grandpa always said, "first one can come anytime.....all the others take 9 months"

[daniel green]

Hello, IIRC, Lenny stated that Lee was told by Casey.

And someone is supposed to believe that it, in fact, happened? :blink:

[shellzbi]

I am not saying it is not true. I am asking if there is verification if it is true. Did Lee tell Le about it? I do remember Lenny telling it but not Lee.

If your talking about the choking incident between Cindy and Casey.

I thought a neighbor came forward and told LE.

LE took it from that point on.

That was my recall on that.

[mattncats]

I believe that saying that the murder of this child, may she RIP, was in any way caused or created by a relationship between mother and daughter IS silly. Nonsensical.

And I do not believe that the relationship between mother and daughter is, necissarily, over.

I disagree. I think Casey did this to spite her mother.

[daniel green]

Perhaps. But good parents understand the difference between protecting their children from outside harm, and protecting their children from the consequences of their own bad behavior.

Parenting isn't a license to break laws or to lie.

I disagree about what makes good parenting.

And if covering for your child in court or with the police were criminal, our prisons couldn't hold them all.

[legalmania]

You'll have to ask his lawyer, HE's the one reporting it.

IMO I think they're putting the pressure on Lee to try to break Casey. It should be interesting if her brother is arrested. Will she finally come clean or will she let him rot?

[Elle]

And someone is supposed to believe that it, in fact, happened? :blink:

Hello, I was just stating where I heard it from, not meant to insinuate that I believe it happened, though for the record, I do believe that Lee told Lenny that it happened, doesn't carry much weight with me though as to it being a fact.

[daniel green]

The only suspect has always been Casey Anthony.

Right.

And what does her age or living at home do to mitigate the murder? :confused:

[missinglink]

I think that parents instinctively want to protect their children.

Too bad and horribly sad Casey didn't instinctively want to protect Caylee.

[Regina.Lampert]

I would like a thread where reading up on the case is a requirement. There is so much nonsense going on in the last few days it's ridiculous.

We have a links thread here with tons of info. I never mind someone coming along and asking questions but when someone comes in and acts like an expert on the case and doesn't have good knowledge of it, it's another thing.

I completely agree with you B. :thumbsup:

[RN_WV]

Why would you care what anyone here has heard? Don't you need proof?

TYVM for that! LOL!:thumbup:

[smileyjoe]

I disagree about what makes good parenting.

And if covering for your child in court or with the police were criminal, our prisons couldn't hold them all.

Well thats a depressing conclusion.

Joe.

[SavannahStar]

If your talking about the choking incident between Cindy and Casey.

I thought a neighbor came forward and told LE.

LE took it from that point on.

That was my recall on that.

No. Lenny said Lee told him. No neighbor ever talked about a choking incident to my knowledge. Lee would have had to have heard it from Casey.

[daniel green]

Hello, I was just stating where I heard it from, not meant to insinuate that I believe it happened, though for the record, I do believe that Lee told Lenny that it happened, doesn't carry much weight with me though as to it being a fact.

Sorry, I did not mean it that way, though I certainly worded it poorly. :blushing:

I was glad you posted the facts about that allegation and did not think you believed it.

[cloe23]

The only suspect has always been Casey Anthony.

IIRC LE spent days following up on all of Casey's leads and found nothing but lies and one can only imagine all the evidence that we are not privy to.

[NYGalPal]

I think that parents instinctively want to protect their children.

They don't have the right to break the law doing so. Haven't you heard?

[Jeepers]

My grandpa always said, "first one can come anytime.....all the others take 9 months"

I like the way grandpa thinks. I bet he was fun to be around. :thumbsup:

[SavannahStar]

I think that is just silly.

What contributed to her death is murder.

I have seen nothing to make me think that this family is anything but standard-issued with money problems, elderly parent problems, g'children to take care of.

The fact that their daughter killed that littel girl, may she RIP, doesn't mean they are dysfunctional or contributed to death.

:thumbsup: I agree.

[legalmania]

Did you have any reason to believe that there was something wrong with her, such as female problems, or was it just not detectable at all???

I saw a few girls hide their pregnancy, this is not unusual. You don't have to big belly. Some girls just get a small bump and still have a six pound baby. My neighbor never showed all of a sudden she would have a very healthy baby. She was 5'8 and weight 110 lbs.

[shellzbi]

No. Lenny said Lee told him. No neighbor ever talked about a choking incident to my knowledge. Lee would have had to have heard it from Casey.

Didn't a neighbor come forward regarding a argument?

I heard that on a news cast early on in this case.
If that's not true I stand corrected.

[Elle]

If your talking about the choking incident between Cindy and Casey.

I thought a neighbor came forward and told LE.

LE took it from that point on.

That was my recall on that.

IIRC a neighbor came forward about hearing an argument, it was Lenny who heard it from Lee, and Lenny stated Lee heard it from Casey about the supposed choking.

[Calla]

You are correct, there are those that do not look pregnant and can hide it for quite some time, however there is a picture taken of Casey at her uncles wedding where she is obviously very pregnant (seven months). I do recall though Cindy stating in one of her interviews, I believe with the FBI, that she knew Casey was pregnant but waiting for Casey to tell her, and I know there were emails exchanged with Rick and his mom where he states that Cindy was not aware or denying it or something to that effect. So there you go, more conflicting accounts.

Ironic I say.

I suspected and 'knew' too but kept getting no.
I did not tell my family who were very close to me...and some of them had to have suspected but dared not tell me.
I, too, was 'waiting' because I did not want to alienate my child and kept holding out hope that she would see that I loved her & would come to me.
Having been party to something very close to that scenario when I was younger, I tried a different route than what I had witnessed.
Again, 'you do what you know to do at the time and if you knew better you would have done better'.
It's bad enough I guess to fear being judged but Cindy fearing being judged by her own family was probably a big deal too. From what I have read, there were already some not too fond of the husband...including Cindy herself obviously, at at least one point.

[KP1935]

And if covering for your child in court or with the police were criminal, our prisons couldn't hold them all.

True, but how many of those allegedly change their stories (car smell?) and turn over the wrong evidence (hair brush)? At that point aren't they misleading LE?

MOO

[daniel green]

And instinctively want to believe them.

That they do.

Even when their hinky meter if bleeping off the chain.

[callmetree]

IMO I think they're putting the pressure on Lee to try to break Casey. It should be interesting if her brother is arrested. Will she finally come clean or will she let him rot?

i don't think she will ever tell the truth about what really happened. JMOO

[joolz]

I completely agree with you B. :thumbsup:

Please add me to the list. :loveeyes:

[MichelleP]

I disagree about what makes good parenting.

And if covering for your child in court or with the police were criminal, our prisons couldn't hold them all.

You think you can lie to cops and in court because you are a parent? You can not.

[Postergeist]

o/t John Travolta's 16 year old son has died at their vacation home in the bahamas. Aparently hit his head on the bathtub and had a seizure (or had a seizure and hit head). Sketchy info so far, was just on fox

oh just seeing it now on FOX-

:rose:

[Calla]

Did you have any reason to believe that there was something wrong with her, such as female problems, or was it just not detectable at all???

Yes..she has pcos...so everything was aligned to make up the most difficult situation ever.

And she was not 'fat' but not a dainty little tiny boned child like my next daughter was.

ok I am feeling powerless and out of control suddenly..and I ran out of candy, so I need to go smoke:laugh:

[daniel green]

snipped
As to your second statement ... doesn't make it right.

I try to stay away fom the right and wrong business, myself.

[NYGalPal]

How interesting. So you think that in any crime, the household residents of the victim or perpretator are significant?

Odd.

Wow, this takes the cake. Even more odd you don't think they aren't significant. Not following this case much are you?

Must be Friday.

:rolleyes:

[cloe23]

OH, no! His sister is a friend of mine. I'm scared to call her until I hear it myself on the news. How awful.

John's attorney said that they are bringing his body back to California and autopsy on Monday. They want their privacy. So sad! Just 16yrs.
Not back to Hollywood but somewhere else in California. IIRC

[Calla]

None, as far as I can tell. And I don't see anything unusual about a 22 year old living at home during the current economic times.

Especially when the only job they have is imaginary:laugh:

[bchand]

I disagree. I think Casey did this to spite her mother.

Many people agree with you mattncats. Remember Cindy's My Space message on JULY 3rd.

Thursday, July 03, 2008

My caylee is missing

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

[dref99]

Perhaps. But good parents understand the difference between protecting their children from outside harm, and protecting their children from the consequences of their own bad behavior.

Parenting isn't a license to break laws or to lie.

I don't see parenting as black and white or good and bad. Most parents do as best they can. I remember being scared witless after the high of my daughter's birth when I realised I had no idea as to what was needed to be a "good" parent.

It is incredibly hard for a parent to believe the "bad" of their children and if/when they try to protect said child from the consequences of any actions, it is usually because they love them. Sadly, you can't protect them from some things.

The family of Casey, hoped against all chances of hope, that Caylee was alive. I don't think this relates to whether one is good or bad in terms of being a parent

jmo

[Neffy]

How interesting. So you think that in any crime, the household residents of the victim or perpretator are significant?

Odd.


I'm sure it is in psychological profile.
Cover up is also significant.

The actual crime soley on Casey.

Psych profile will only matter if it's entered as a defense.

No telling what Baez might present. The invisible perpretator isn't gonna float.


Oops editing to add I just saw your word "any crime" , I'm just posting on this one.

[NYGalPal]

Especially when the only job they have is imaginary:laugh:

Good point. :lol:

[Elle]

Sorry, I did not mean it that way, though I certainly worded it poorly. :blushing:

I was glad you posted the facts about that allegation and did not think you believed it.


No problem:smile:

[daniel green]

there's a big difference between Benadryl and Chloraform.

Well, yeah.

As is one you just go to any store and buy in liquid or tabs.

[AbbyNormal]

Why would they profile anybody other than Casey?
The whole family is an interesting case study.

[daniel green]

I don't see parenting as black and white or good and bad. Most parents do as best they can. snipped

Post of the day.

That is it, exactly.

[VC2]

OH, no! His sister is a friend of mine. I'm scared to call her until I hear it myself on the news. How awful.

its on www.tmz.com. Harvey Levin was just on fox and they have a copy of the incident report :(

[cloe23]

Wow, this takes the cake. Even more odd you don't think they aren't significant. Not following this case much are you?

Must be Friday.

:rolleyes:

I am just a layman here but I have always been told that LE starts with the family/lovers first and work their way out? The last thing LE would want is a false conviction when a child has clearly been kidnapped. Look at the Adam Walsh case and the Elizabeth Smart.
I'm with ya on the Friday thing.

[daniel green]

Yes, you've made that abundantly clear.

I see that differing opinions bother you.

Not even about the case--I think we both agree that CA killed her daughter--but about things in general.

[Anakerie]

None, as far as I can tell. And I don't see anything unusual about a 22 year old living at home during the current economic times.
I would think that the majority of 22 year olds living at home aren't faking a job the way Casey did.

Right now, I know 2 young people (1 is 22 and the other is 23) that are living at home and going to school as well as working part time jobs. One is in Med school and the other is studying physics. They are living at home so that they can put their full attention on their studies and they do the part time jobs for their own spending money.

[bchand]

They don't have the right to break the law doing so. Haven't you heard?

That's exactly what ex-cop George told Cindy.

[Calla]

I don't see parenting as black and white or good and bad. Most parents do as best they can. I remember being scared witless after the high of my daughter's birth when I realised I had no idea as to what was needed to be a "good" parent.

It is incredibly hard for a parent to believe the "bad" of their children and if/when they try to protect said child from the consequences of any actions, it is usually because they love them. Sadly, you can't protect them from some things.

The family of Casey, hoped against all chances of hope, that Caylee was alive. I don't think this relates to whether one is good or bad in terms of being a parent

jmo

good post

When all else is lost, there is hope.
Without that, the Anthonys and so many others had nothing.
Now that is lost too and my heart goes out to them.

[*Serenity*]

Have they had a memorial/burial for Caylee yet?

[NYGalPal]

I am just a layman here but I have always been told that LE starts with the family/lovers first and work their way out? The last thing LE would want is a false conviction when a child has clearly been kidnapped. Look at the Adam Walsh case and the Elizabeth Smart.
I'm with ya on the Friday thing.

True, but in this case we have blatent cover up by the Anthony's. There is no false accusations by the LE.

[NYGalPal]

Have they had a memorial/burial for Caylee yet?

No, they are too busy worrying about themselves..."ammunity". :cursing:

[Postergeist]

IIRC a neighbor came forward about hearing an argument, it was Lenny who heard it from Lee, and Lenny stated Lee heard it from Casey about the supposed choking.


sorry if this has been added to- my MIL called-

IRRC, Jesse also stated that Lee had told him of the argument/choke incident

[bchand]

Have they had a memorial/burial for Caylee yet?

Not that we've heard about yet Serenity. Still waiting for the defense to conclude their examination of the remains.

[daniel green]

The whole family is an interesting case study.

It may be, but you don't think that there are or will be FBI profiles of them, do you?

[I'mRight]

good post

When all else is lost, there is hope.
Without that, the Anthonys and so many others had nothing.
Now that is lost too and my heart goes out to them.

I would have to agree. I don't condone everything the Anthonys have said and done, but I can't forget Cindy's frantic 911 calls. The fear in her voice was real, something we never saw from Casey. Cindy loved that baby and is not to blame for her death.

[VC2]

Many people agree with you mattncats. Remember Cindy's My Space message on JULY 3rd.

Thursday, July 03, 2008

My caylee is missing

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

oh god, that is heart wrenching. The grief she must be in, from the beginning just bc she thought casey was being mean to discovering she was missing and fiercley holding on to the belief that caylee was alive and at least believing the basis of what caysee said bc the alternative was unthinkable. Now they are shattered imo.

Cindy adored caylee, its clear imo.

[Calla]

I would think that the majority of 22 year olds living at home aren't faking a job the way Casey did.

Right now, I know 2 young people (1 is 22 and the other is 23) that are living at home and going to school as well as working part time jobs. One is in Med school and the other is studying physics. They are living at home so that they can put their full attention on their studies and they do the part time jobs for their own spending money.


:sneaky: or at least thats their story.


LOL just kidding.

Casey definitely went off the deep end somewhere along the way.

I think my kids went off the deep end at times. Thank God they came back to reality after the thrill was gone.

For Casey to fake her entire existence is really interesting to me.

[Neffy]

The family of Casey made some serious errors in judgment over the years, witnessed by the fact that she was coddled, enabled, fully supported (as was her daughter), and all her previous scrapes -- including those of the criminal variety -- were covered up.

Not good parenting, plain and simple.

I realize the A's hoped against hope Caylee was alive. Which makes their blaming of Casey's friends, their evasiveness on some matters of importance and their changing stories about others, the hairbrush switch, and other disturbing behavior, that much more ... disturbing.


Pointing the finger at anyone is unjustifyable even if they were/are in denial. ITA on the parenting. Casey's entitlement was way over the top.

[SavannahStar]

The neighbor said he overheard an argument on the 15th. He didn't see the choking- IMO

IIRC, the neighbor told Mark Fuhrman he heard arguing over "that weekend." This was from an interview Greta had with Furhrmn.

Was there a statement from a neighbor saying he heard an argument on THAT day?

As far as "the choking"......that is totally and completely unconfirmed, IMO.

[*Serenity*]

Thanks to all that replied... I appreciate it.
I can't believe this poor little girl has not been put to rest. Thank God that he has her in heaven.

So sad..............

[SavannahStar]

:sneaky: or at least thats their story.


LOL just kidding.

Casey definitely went off the deep end somewhere along the way.

I think my kids went off the deep end at times. Thank God they came back to reality after the thrill was gone.

For Casey to fake her entire existence is really interesting to me.

It's very interesting to me as well!

[daniel green]

I can't even imagine a 14 pound full term baby!

My son was 3 months premature and weighed 2 pounds at birth. I remember when "sugar babies" were put in the NICU and they looked like giants compared to my little guy.

She was huge and had a head full of hair. Looked like a 6 month old!

My daughter had twins this summer, at 36 wks and there were babies in the NICU weighing a pound and measuring 11 inches. Tiny miniatures. It's amazing what can be done now and how well these babies do!

[i_pickle]

Especially when the only job they have is imaginary:laugh:Lol, good point.:thumbup:

Helping your child is one thing. Enabling them to the point where they don't take responsibility for themselves and their own child is quite another.

Perhaps if they (the A's) hadn't enabled Casey so much we wouldn't be here posting about them.

[Neffy]

:sneaky: or at least thats their story.


LOL just kidding.

Casey definitely went off the deep end somewhere along the way.

I think my kids went off the deep end at times. Thank God they came back to reality after the thrill was gone.

For Casey to fake her entire existence is really interesting to me.

I think she would spontaneously combust should she ever tell the truth.

Just unbelievable.

[cloe23]

I just heard the body is being flown to Ocala, Florida.

I stand corrected if so. I wouldn't of posted if I didn't hear it:blush:
I am multi tasking so I am prob wrong. Sorry.
Maybe autopsy in Florida and burial in California?
Guess I will stayed turned.

Should would like some updated information on the Casey A. case.

[Calla]

I would have to agree. I don't condone everything the Anthonys have said and done, but I can't forget Cindy's frantic 911 calls. The fear in her voice was real, something we never saw from Casey. Cindy loved that baby and is not to blame for her death.


There may have been errors in judgement in their house. They may have coddled and enabled etc....

But there are many other parents who coddle and enable and spoil..luckily they did not have the misfortune of having children that are missing a little something upstairs. I think Casey's issues are mostly tied into her psyche..not what she was or was not given. Don't you?

[NYGalPal]

Thanks to all that replied... I appreciate it.
I can't believe this poor little girl has not been put to rest. Thank God that he has her in heaven.

So sad..............

It's disgusting is what it is. :cursing:

[MerriMent]

It may be, but you don't think that there are or will be FBI profiles of them, do you?

Why would the FBI do a profile? Didn't the FBI interview both George and Cindy? I doubt the feds will cut them slack if either of them lied.

[daniel green]

Many people agree with you mattncats. Remember Cindy's My Space message on JULY 3rd.

Thursday, July 03, 2008

My caylee is missing

She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me. This precious little angel from above gave me strength and unconditional love. Now she is gone and I don’t know why. All I am guilty of is loving her and providing her a safe home. Jealousy has taken her away. Jealousy from the one person that should be thankfull for all of the love and support given to her. A mother’s love is deep, however there are limits when one is betrayed by the one she loved and trusted the most. A daughter comes to her mother for support when she is pregnant, the mother says without hesitation it will be ok. And it was. But then the lies and betrayal began. First it seemed harmless, ah, love is blind. A mother will look for the good in her child and give them a chance to change. This mother gave chance after chance for her daughter to change, but instead more lies more betrayal. What does the mother get for giving her daughter all of these chances? A broken heart. The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

Tragic. That is just gutwrenchingly sad.

Just raw and from the gut pain.

[SavannahStar]

True, but in this case we have blatent cover up by the Anthony's. There is no false accusations by the LE.


I don't honestly consider anything the Anthonys have said or done to be a "blatant cover-up".....to me that would be if they either participated in Caylee's death and or knew about it, either right when it happened or shortly afterwards, in other words, had a confession from Casey, and KNEW Caylee was dead (without doubt, not just a stink in the car), and told no one.

No way in the world I believe that. There was no blatant cover up.

[daniel green]

Why would the FBI do a profile? Didn't the FBI interview both George and Cindy? I doubt the feds will cut them slack if either of them lied.

Oh, I don't think they ever would. I was responding to a poster mentioning it upthread.

[Neffy]

There may have been errors in judgement in their house. They may have coddled and enabled etc....

But there are many other parents who coddle and enable and spoil..luckily they did not have the misfortune of having children that are missing a little something upstairs. I think Casey's issues are mostly tied into her psyche..not what she was or was not given. Don't you?

ITA Paris Hilton never killed anyone. Born with the silver spoon! But she was given money, never had to steal it so I guess this isn't a good example.

I can't think of a lying, cheating, thief at 22 yrs of age I can compare it to. Thank god for that I guess.

[cloe23]

He will be brought to Ocala, the Travolta's live in Anthony a small town just north of Ocala.

TY for the clarification. So sad just 16yrs. These kids are our futures, imo.
Something that Caylee never had a chance to do either, grow up and make herself helpful to others.

[Anakerie]

:sneaky: or at least thats their story.


LOL just kidding.

Casey definitely went off the deep end somewhere along the way.

I think my kids went off the deep end at times. Thank God they came back to reality after the thrill was gone.

For Casey to fake her entire existence is really interesting to me.
LOL.. Yep, that is their "story"... hehe... Seriously, though, I know that both are hard working "kids" and both have goals and are working towards those goals.

I think a big difference between the two I spoke about and Casey, is that when they were growing up, the two I know were taught that there were no "free rides" and that if they wanted something they had to earn it. I taught my own two daughters the same thing. If you want something, you need to earn it, even if it was by doing "chores" when they were young.

I have to wonder if Casey was the "princess" of the house and was always given what she wanted, never earning her way, so to speak.

[Calla]

I don't honestly consider anything the Anthonys have said or done to be a "blatant cover-up".....to me that would be if they either participated in Caylee's death and or knew about it, either right when it happened or shortly afterwards, in other words, had a confession from Casey, and KNEW Caylee was dead (without doubt, not just a stink in the car), and told no one.

No way in the world I believe that. There was no blatant cover up.

I agree with you.

Out and Out unwillingness to let their minds accept that that little baby was dead and gone maybe, but no way a blatant coverup.

[daniel green]

There may have been errors in judgement in their house. They may have coddled and enabled etc....

But there are many other parents who coddle and enable and spoil..luckily they did not have the misfortune of having children that are missing a little something upstairs. I think Casey's issues are mostly tied into her psyche..not what she was or was not given. Don't you?

Find me a parent who doesn't coddle or enable or spoil.

I know we have ours, and we continue to do so. And now with the granddaughters, even worse!

[MerriMent]

You would think that if all this were true, she would have been arrested by now. She hasn't been arrested, has she?

Doesn't mean she won't be. Martha Stewart wasn't arrested right away, either.

[Neffy]

I don't honestly consider anything the Anthonys have said or done to be a "blatant cover-up".....to me that would be if they either participated in Caylee's death and or knew about it, either right when it happened or shortly afterwards, in other words, had a confession from Casey, and KNEW Caylee was dead (without doubt, not just a stink in the car), and told no one.

No way in the world I believe that. There was no blatant cover up.

Totally disagree. The car was the turning point. Both Cindy and George knew and wanted to prove it wrong. They worked overtime on proving it wrong. Futile.

[sunbunny]

That would be gossip you are posting. Link or say where you heard this. Why would they have to fly her to Ocala? Isn't she in the same county?

john travolta's son, not Caylees. :rose:

[Calla]

ITA Paris Hilton never killed anyone. Born with the silver spoon! But she was given money, never had to steal it so I guess this isn't a good example.

I can't think of a lying, cheating, thief at 22 yrs of age I can compare it to. Thank god for that I guess.

nope
not a good example,, lol

And needless to say, we have no idea what she may do in the future, do we?

[Postergeist]

I would like a thread where reading up on the case is a requirement. There is so much nonsense going on in the last few days it's ridiculous.

We have a links thread here with tons of info. I never mind someone coming along and asking questions but when someone comes in and acts like an expert on the case and doesn't have good knowledge of it, it's another thing.

And I thought that was a requirement when I was a newbie here during the SP trial! lol

Oh wow- it was rough going for awhile for me because I had to earn my stripes over there...then later after getting enough posts and being a senior member, I thought yanno- only senior posters should be allowed to start threads! :laugh:

My suggestions went unheeded. <pout>

However, I think there is something to that those that can sympathize with the defendent, etc. tend to have similar habits, background, lifestyle choices and the like.

imo

[legalmania]

I agree. She may not be responsible for Caylees death, but she IS responsible for HINDERING the investigation, obstruction of justice, lying to police/FBI in relation to an open ongoing investigation, enableing her daughter, AND giving FALSE evidence to police in regaurds to an on going investigation. Not excusable in my opinion, even if you are greiving.

I think that they just found it so hard to comprehend the fact that their daughter had done this. They wanted to believe her because I believe they thought she never lied to them. They saw a change in her that they couldn't understand. Now that Caylee has been found they must feel so deceived and lost. They've lost their family, friends, daughter and granddaughter.

[Jeepers]

She was huge and had a head full of hair. Looked like a 6 month old!

My daughter had twins this summer, at 36 wks and there were babies in the NICU weighing a pound and measuring 11 inches. Tiny miniatures. It's amazing what can be done now and how well these babies do!


Congratulations! on your little grandbabies! I hope everyone is doing well.
My daughter is a RN at UAB B'ham in NICU. She stays amazed at what they can do to keep these little ones thriving. Many sad stories she tells of these little ones and their situations.
It breaks me up to hear what these babies endure just to survive. the technology available today is just unbelieveable.
When you read about cases like Caylee and others dying a senseless death it just shakes me to the core.

[NYGalPal]

john travolta's son, not Caylees. :rose:

Well no wonder that made no sense. Thanks for clearing that up.

[daniel green]

IIRC, the neighbor told Mark Fuhrman he heard arguing over "that weekend." This was from an interview Greta had with Furhrmn.

Was there a statement from a neighbor saying he heard an argument on THAT day?

As far as "the choking"......that is totally and completely unconfirmed, IMO.

Yikes, Savannah, that sure doesn't sound like a very believable story. Someone told MF who told GVS. :tongueside:

[frances1]

Is no one reading the same guilt laced paragraph that I am. All I can see is finger pointing, Cindy trying to analyze her guilt by deciding what she was guilty of, and whole lot of drama. Guilt trip, after guilt trip- I swear I must be on another planet today IMO

Lomar, that's the way I see it too. Self-serving with a side of martyr.

[AbbyNormal]

It may be, but you don't think that there are or will be FBI profiles of them, do you?If a book is marketed......I would guess the whole family would need to be "explained". None of the family's actions seem typical. What are they trying to hide? There seem to be layers of secrets and deceit. They lie even when it is of no seeming importance.

I do not know if FBI has or has not profiled the entire family. It would be interesting to have a professional profiler reveal how this family functions. They A's are somewhat similar to people I know of IRL.

[legalmania]

john travolta's son, not Caylees. :rose:

Not to be rude but John Travolta's son's death is being discussed at another thread breaking news. Please leave this site for Caylee. Thank You.

[NYGalPal]

Totally disagree. The car was the turning point. Both Cindy and George knew and wanted to prove it wrong. They worked overtime on proving it wrong. Futile.

Don't forget the brush, the change of story about the smells like a dead body in the car, the endless lies..etc.

Blatent cover up.

[Cury-us Coyote]

IIRC, first Dominic Casey planned to turn photographic/video evidence over to Team Baez and ultimately to LE, now it is reported he gave it to investigators?

Reportedly, DC also plans legal action again - apparently like the Ocala hackers, IMO. Did Dominic catch the lying bug too?

Casey said he plans to pursue legal action against Hoover for making false claims.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18401020/detail.html

[dvsone]

I think we have to put some things in context, and the emails between Rick, Cindy, their mom and aunt were an eye-opener for me. Carrying deadbeats apparently wasn't anything new to Cindy; it appears she's carried George throughout most of their marriage. It seems Cindy was recently told she's stuck with George unless she pays him alimony and gives him half of everything. Cindy apparently consulted with a professional due to her depression, not just for advice on what to do about Casey. Cindy had a lot on her plate. Maybe Casey simply did the financial math and figured that, unless either Casey or George were going to lower themselves to become working stiffs somebody in the household was going to have to go. George was starting (another) new job and it looked like Cindy was going to keep him. Perhaps this case, like many others, simply boils down to nothing more than a matter of money: Casey simply thought if somebody had to go, Caylee was expendible.

Did you happen to bookmark that link? If so would you mind posting it. I dont know that Ive ever read them in their entirety.

/crossing fingers//

[daniel green]

Congratulations! on your little grandbabies! I hope everyone is doing well.
My daughter is a RN at UAB B'ham in NICU. She stays amazed at what they can do to keep these little ones thriving. Many sad stories she tells of these little ones and their situations.
It breaks me up to hear what these babies endure just to survive. the technology available today is just unbelieveable.
When you read about cases like Caylee and others dying a senseless death it just shakes me to the core.

Thank you, Jeepers! They are doing well. Daughter was in bed since 22 wks and in hospital since 25-26 wks. Thankfully, the girls were 5 lbs and 6 lbs so didn't have to go in the NICU, though we'd been there on the docs' advice, so as to get ready.

Your daughter must be an angel! All of the nurses there are!

[SavannahStar]

I think it's all about how high your standards are for personal behavior. With very low standards, pretty much any behavior (hopefully short of murder) is just fine.

I don't see everything in black and white like maybe you do. I think standards are relative according to situation. I don't think any one of us has been in the situation of having a granddaughter we love with all our heart and soul being killed by a daughter we love with all our heart and soul. I've even read people on here post they should "disown" her. Well, some would of course. I just don't judge them to harshly because of the nightmare they are in. It's unfair to demand that they "choose" one or the other, Caylee or Casey, over the other. I don't think they did. I HATE the phrase "they threw Casey under the bus." Utter nonsense. They loved them BOTH. Caylee is DEAD. Casey is all they have left of the two of them. They don't want her to die as well. And, IMO, they KNOW she will be going to prison for a very long time, if not for the rest of her life.

The bottom line for me is that there is nothing at all they could have said or done, or cooperated any more, to hasten the case against Casey or have Caylee's remains found any sooner. So no harm, no foul.

They are already in their own hell. I'm sure that makes many people very, very happy.

[gaelicpeas]

Is no one reading the same guilt laced paragraph that I am. All I can see is finger pointing, Cindy trying to analyze her guilt by deciding what she was guilty of, and whole lot of drama. Guilt trip, after guilt trip- I swear I must be on another planet today IMO

I get a completely different take from it than most do, also.

[MerriMent]

Yeah well, Martha's being in prison was a travesty. imo

Martha had a choice. She chose to lie to federal agents. There are consequences for such actions.

[i_pickle]

Totally disagree. The car was the turning point. Both Cindy and George knew and wanted to prove it wrong. They worked overtime on proving it wrong. Futile.When I read about the car incident, that was the turning point for me. Prior to that they had my complete sympathy for what they were going through. But their actions did not help LE and others find Caylee. In fact, imo, they are guilty of obstruction.

I can still sympathize but I don't think there's any justification for some of the things they have done.

JMO

[AbbyNormal]

You would think that if all this were true, she would have been arrested by now. She hasn't been arrested, has she?Well -- it may take LE a while to cross all the t's and dot all the i's.

[bchand]

... or an exercise in manipulation. :wink:

Yep - this was July 3rd and yet I have the interview she gave to a local reporter on July 17th where she says what a JOY Casey has always been.

The lies began early.

[magnolia]

And I thought that was a requirement when I was a newbie here during the SP trial! lol

Oh wow- it was rough going for awhile for me because I had to earn my stripes over there...then later after getting enough posts and being a senior member, I thought yanno- only senior posters should be allowed to start threads! :laugh:

My suggestions went unheeded. <pout>

However, I think there is something to that those that can sympathize with the defendent, etc. tend to have similar habits, background, lifestyle choices and the like.

imo

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perspectives to your own.

[Calla]

people who do nice things and/or the right thing by there family don't usually go on the internet and feel the need to post what they have done. To me it says "Look how great cindy is, look at what a piece of crap "she" (Casey) is.) IMO

That is a possibility, but I thought Cindy did that because she knew her distant daughter would see it. jmo

I persoanly think Cindy had no control over any aspect of her life except her job, and even if she loved it, if it was the means that carried the rest of them, so even it wasn't an escape.

I understand. I've been a martyr before. :laugh:

[bchand]

Don't forget the brush, the change of story about the smells like a dead body in the car, the endless lies..etc.

Blatent cover up.


and laundering the clothes, cleaning the car, "febrezing" it.

[happy2bme]

Is no one reading the same guilt laced paragraph that I am. All I can see is finger pointing, Cindy trying to analyze her guilt by deciding what she was guilty of, and whole lot of drama. Guilt trip, after guilt trip- I swear I must be on another planet today IMO


Her comments bothered me but I DO find it odd she put this on myspace. Especially since cindy stated she talked to Casey everyday. :confused: Was it there for ALL to read?

[SavannahStar]

Yikes, Savannah, that sure doesn't sound like a very believable story. Someone told MF who told GVS. :tongueside:


Well and there ya have it. From there we have Cindy choking Casey and Casey running out with Caylee and killing her to spite Cindy. And end of story.

(That's really what some people believe.)

So cut and dried doncha know.

I'll be so glad when the trial starts and we get REAL info, testimony we can trust. Just the facts, m'am, just the facts. :laugh:

[daniel green]

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However, I think there is something to that those that can sympathize with the defendent, etc. tend to have similar habits, background, lifestyle choices and the like.

imo

Just who sympathizes with the defendant in this case? :ohmy:

[marshmallow]

Not to anyone with a heart or ounce of compassion. imo

that is a judgemental thing to say.

I do not think it is up to you to decide who has a heart or who has an ounce of compassion.:thumbdown:

[Elle]

sorry if this has been added to- my MIL called-

IRRC, Jesse also stated that Lee had told him of the argument/choke incident

Thank you, I forgot about Jesse. So both Lenny and Jesse state that Lee told them the that Casey said (for whatever that is worth) that Cindy choked her.

[steffaroob4]

Major Caylee Anthony Clue Could Be On Mystery Videotape (http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
Friday, January 2, 2009 – updated: 6:10 pm EST January 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

[Katt2]

I would like to pose a question.

If Casey were to confess to it being an accident and tell how it happened, would anyone that thinks it is outright murder accept it as a possibility?

[SavannahStar]

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perspectives to your own.

Well THAT'S gotta be Post of the Day!

[terri]

[QUOTE=bchand;12606281]Many people agree with you mattncats. Remember Cindy's My Space message on JULY 3rd.

Thursday, July 03, 2008

My caylee is missing

[I]She came into my life unexspectedly, just as she has left me.
snipped for space.


This is so VERY sad, and the root of all the problems in this case.
Casey MURDERED this child that was so precious to Cindy ...
I don't care what's "fashionable' now nor the norm, for accountability.

I only know that in "my world" (old fashioned i guess) such a crime
is NOT ACCEPTABLE (no matter the reason)... Casey is GUILTY of
murdering her own child. I pray there is STILL justice in this crazy
world. While I believe Cindy went beyond the call of 'desperate grandma'... still.. Casey needs to PAY the price for murdering that child.

I'm sure many will disagree, but it's CLEAR in my mind. NO ONE, no one, kills another person .. (baby included) :sad: and deserves to walk free.
My opinion.. and others I'm sure.

[daniel green]

Well and there ya have it. From there we have Cindy choking Casey and Casey running out with Caylee and killing her to spite Cindy. And end of story.

(That's really what some people believe.)

So cut and dried doncha know.

I'll be so glad when the trial starts and we get REAL info, testimony we can trust. Just the facts, m'am, just the facts. :laugh:

Well, dang. THAT's where the killing out of spite comes from? :confused: I had no idea.

Well, yeah, so, well, factual.

[SavannahStar]

Just who sympathizes with the defendant in this case? :ohmy:


I haven't seen anyone.

:confused:

[bchand]

And I thought that was a requirement when I was a newbie here during the SP trial! lol

Oh wow- it was rough going for awhile for me because I had to earn my stripes over there...then later after getting enough posts and being a senior member, I thought yanno- only senior posters should be allowed to start threads! :laugh:

My suggestions went unheeded. <pout>

However, I think there is something to that those that can sympathize with the defendent, etc. tend to have similar habits, background, lifestyle choices and the like.

imo

and the defendant's parents too? :laugh:

[Neffy]

Totally disagree. The car was the turning point. Both Cindy and George knew and wanted to prove it wrong. They worked overtime on proving it wrong. Futile.

Bottom of the barrel is when they started accusing others and refused to even look at Casey. Someone else's child did this.

I have a feeling it's always been like that in the house of Anthony.

[marshmallow]

Her comments bothered me but I DO find it odd she put this on myspace. Especially since cindy stated she talked to Casey everyday. :confused: Was it there for ALL to read?

I've seen several people who leave pointed and drama filled messages on their my space with the full knowledge of who they think will read them. Some use those forums to send barbs, insults, and guilt trips :bored: Cindy's message seemed, in my opinion, to be put there for an intended audience to read.

[Calla]

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perspectives to your own.

well said

I am getting scared that a degree may be required to come here soon:scared:

[8BellesFan]

Yep - this was July 3rd and yet I have the interview she gave to a local reporter on July 17th where she says what a JOY Casey has always been.

The lies began early.


Casey's friends call her "Mom"

[MalloryCat]

I haven't seen anyone.

:confused:

Well, there have been some who must since they blame Caseys behavior on her Mother.

jmo

[joolz]

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perceptives to your own.

Actually, I think a lot of posters wouldn't be at all surprised about who is behind some of the "newbie" nics. It's amazing what you can tell from writing styles.

Personally, I'm really tired of the kind of lumping together that you just did. I think it's fine when people disagree and I'm happy to read anyone's opinion as long as it seems informed. Oh, and as long as it doesn't end with snippy little slaps like how seeing the Anthonys experiencing a hellish situation must make so many people happy.

The smug self-righteousness does me in, but that's just jmo.

[Jeepers]

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perspectives to your own.

Thank you, for saying. I love everyone's input and theories. That is what makes the world go around.

[Janz]

Major Caylee Anthony Clue Could Be On Mystery Videotape (http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
Friday, January 2, 2009 – updated: 6:10 pm EST January 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

Thanks steff, hmmmm.

[daniel green]

I don't think anyone that I've seen is sympathizing with Casey. People here have a vast range of opinions about the parents.

What I find interesting is when people disagree with the majority, they are thought to be uninformed, not following the case, and too confident in their opinions. Also, just love the whole "newbie" theories. I think some of you would be surprised who is just behind these nics and what they can offer as alternative perspectives to your own.

Great post. Agree with every word.

[steffaroob4]

Major Caylee Anthony Clue Could Be On Mystery Videotape (http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
Friday, January 2, 2009 – updated: 6:10 pm EST January 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

LP changed his story about Dominic on the phone, he said he didn't Dominic was talking to on phone at discovery site. Yesterday on HLN, prime time news he said it was Joy.:scared:

[i_pickle]

I would like to pose a question.

If Casey were to confess to it being an accident and tell how it happened, would anyone that thinks it is outright murder accept it as a possibility?I've heard many people, both on and off this forum say that it may have been an accident.

IIRC, LE even provided that possibility when they were questioning her at Universal but she still stuck to her story that she last saw Caylee with the nanny.

If it was an accident, she blew her chance then, imo.

[daniel green]

I haven't seen anyone.

:confused:

Thx. I thought I had missed something.

Cuz I sure have not seen anyone remotely sympathetic of Casey Anthony.

[I'mRight]

LOL guys. I think all of you are great here, no matter how you stand on the Anthonys. We all agree that Casey did it: Where we differ is on the Anthonys and how much they knew or didn't know and whether they are culpable for Caylee's death. I think this is one that we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on. Personally, I've gone back and forth on how involved I think they've been. There is no question that they lied to police and are hiding something, but we don't know the context of those lies. I think it's plausible that Casey told them to lie and go along with her to "ensure that nothing bad happens to Caylee". In this scenario, the Anthonys were duped by their killer daughter. I also think it's equally plausible that they knew Caylee was dead for a long time and were lying to protect Casey, just as many of you here suspect. So they're either parents in denial who were duped by their daughter, or they were willing to obstruct justice to protect their daughter. I'm not too sure which way to go, but I am leaning toward them being in denial and duped.

I also think that Cindy and George loved that baby and would have never done anything to harm her. Casey is to blame for her death.

Cheers!

[Jini Fla]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.

[happy2bme]

Bottom of the barrel is when they started accusing others and refused to even look at Casey. Someone else's child did this.

I have a feeling it's always been like that in the house of Anthony.


Exactly....or when cindy stated (not word for word) that if Caylee were to be found dead it would be everyone else's fault. I am sure (like myself) alot of people have not forgotten that.

[SavannahStar]

Well, there have been some who must since they blame Caseys behavior on her Mother.

jmo


Ah.......I see.......:tongue: You may just have a point there.

[i_pickle]

It wasn't like they picked up the car from the impound lot and drove it into a lake, or set it on fire......

they took it home, confronted Casey and called the police....if I'm not mistaken.....

So I really don't see much obstruction.

But JMOI wasn't clear. The hair brush was the obstruction, imo.

The car was an indication that they are in deep denial, also mo.

[happy2bme]

I've seen several people who leave pointed and drama filled messages on their my space with the full knowledge of who they think will read them. Some use those forums to send barbs, insults, and guilt trips :bored: Cindy's message seemed, in my opinion, to be put there for an intended audience to read.


Why though? I guess I don't understand.

[VC2]

I agree with you.

Out and Out unwillingness to let their minds accept that that little baby was dead and gone maybe, but no way a blatant coverup.

and bc of that out and out willingness to accept, they reacted to anyone who suggested they were looking for a dead body with anger. LE included. sure you can something is technically hindering but imo cindy just gave them any old brush bc in her eyes caylee was alive therefore they were just wasting time instead of looking for the alive caylee. Same with her anger at TES. Not that they were scared someone might find caylee dead and caysee go to prison but bc if they were searching in the woods and fields again it was wasting time and hurting their belief caylee was alive.

really almost all their actions make sense if you understand they were desperate to believe caylee was alive, and yes it went even to the irrational denial that anyone who mentioned/thought/looked for dead caylee was against them and caylee. It wasn't covering up for caysee, it was simply refusing to admit even the smallest chance that caylee was dead.

imo

[daniel green]

It wasn't like they picked up the car from the impound lot and drove it into a lake, or set it on fire......

they took it home, confronted Casey and called the police....if I'm not mistaken.....

So I really don't see much obstruction.

But JMO


Exactly! Not a whole lot of obstruction.

How does calling 911 and telling them about the car smelling like death=obstruction?

[8BellesFan]

Something happened on Father's Day, a fight or battle..something from over time came to a head, that caused Lazy Casey to leave the lights, gas, water, spending money, babysitting service and internet service of her parents home and stay gone with her snothead( her words not mine) daughter.

[SavannahStar]

It wasn't like they picked up the car from the impound lot and drove it into a lake, or set it on fire......

they took it home, confronted Casey and called the police....if I'm not mistaken.....

So I really don't see much obstruction.

But JMO

Well by golly, YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Dang! Where was the obstruction?

[Neffy]

Well and there ya have it. From there we have Cindy choking Casey and Casey running out with Caylee and killing her to spite Cindy. And end of story.

(That's really what some people believe.)

So cut and dried doncha know.

I'll be so glad when the trial starts and we get REAL info, testimony we can trust. Just the facts, m'am, just the facts. :laugh:

Might I borrow your words. I sound like a broken record. We've all been throwing things out there. That came from Lee, the neighbors about the fight. We're all speculating on how Casey and why she took off with Caylee.

I believe you just read Cindy's myspace. Our speculation isn't so far fetched.

No one said it's factual but you putting words in peoples mouths.

You and Daniel can go back into your private conversation of your thoughts not about the case but posters theories.

But it is pretty rude dontcha know.

[daniel green]

I don't see everything in black and white like maybe you do. I think standards are relative according to situation. I don't think any one of us has been in the situation of having a granddaughter we love with all our heart and soul being killed by a daughter we love with all our heart and soul. I've even read people on here post they should "disown" her. Well, some would of course. I just don't judge them to harshly because of the nightmare they are in. It's unfair to demand that they "choose" one or the other, Caylee or Casey, over the other. I don't think they did. I HATE the phrase "they threw Casey under the bus." Utter nonsense. They loved them BOTH. Caylee is DEAD. Casey is all they have left of the two of them. They don't want her to die as well. And, IMO, they KNOW she will be going to prison for a very long time, if not for the rest of her life.

The bottom line for me is that there is nothing at all they could have said or done, or cooperated any more, to hasten the case against Casey or have Caylee's remains found any sooner. So no harm, no foul.

They are already in their own hell. I'm sure that makes many people very, very happy.

Savannah, I think everything you said (so well) is right on point.

I could not agree with you more.

Thank you.

[Katt2]

LOL guys. I think all of you are great here, no matter how you stand on the Anthonys. We all agree that Casey did it: Where we differ is on the Anthonys and how much they knew or didn't know and whether they are culpable for Caylee's death. I think this is one that we are just gonna have to agree to disagree on. Personally, I've gone back and forth on how involved I think they've been. There is no question that they lied to police and are hiding something, but we don't know the context of those lies. I think it's plausible that Casey told them to lie and go along with her to "ensure that nothing bad happens to Caylee". In this scenario, the Anthonys were duped by their killer daughter. I also think it's equally plausible that they knew Caylee was dead for a long time and were lying to protect Casey, just as many of you here suspect. So they're either parents in denial who were duped by their daughter, or they were willing to obstruct justice to protect their daughter. I'm not too sure which way to go, but I am leaning toward them being in denial and duped.

I also think that Cindy and George loved that baby and would have never done anything to harm her. Casey is to blame for her death.

Cheers!

Cheers for your post!

[gaelicpeas]

I've seen several people who leave pointed and drama filled messages on their my space with the full knowledge of who they think will read them. Some use those forums to send barbs, insults, and guilt trips :bored: Cindy's message seemed, in my opinion, to be put there for an intended audience to read.

The only person I can think of who might even remotely see it is Casey. I don't see Casey's friends looking up her mother's myspace. Heck, for that matter, I don't even see Casey looking up Cindy's myspace. JMO

[SavannahStar]

Exactly! Not a whole lot of obstruction.

How does calling 911 and telling them about the car smelling like death=obstruction?

In fairness, they did recant later and say it smelled like the pizza that was rotten in the car, with maggots. In the hot FL weather for 11 days or whatever.

But still. That's obstruction????? As if their noses would send Casey to the electric chair and without their noses she wouldn't be convicted.

I mean, c'mon!!!!!!!

[i_pickle]

Well by golly, YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Dang! Where was the obstruction?I explained it up thread, if you care to look before jumping on the bandwagon.

Thanks

[8BellesFan]

Might I borrow your words. I sound like a broken record. We've all been throwing things out there. That came from Lee, the neighbors about the fight. We're all speculating on how Casey and why she took off with Caylee.

I believe you just read Cindy's myspace. Our speculation isn't so far fetched.

No one said it's factual but you putting words in peoples mouths.

You and Daniel can go back into your private conversation of your thoughts not about the case but posters theories.

But it is pretty rude dontcha know.


don't forget the multitude of 911 calls preceding the events of June 15th

[bchand]

Major Caylee Anthony Clue Could Be On Mystery Videotape (http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
Friday, January 2, 2009 – updated: 6:10 pm EST January 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

Thanks steff. So now Hoover is going to hold a news conference on Monday. Why wait I wonder.

[Dells]

I feel like Casey did something to Caylee in a fit of anger and talked herself into believing it was an accident. She then panicked, tried to cover it up in any way possible, then found out it was too late to go back and say it was an accident. Lies started to snowball and then she was stuck with the scenario she had made up.

I absolutely agree w/you. I truly think this is the most likely scenario.

[AbbyNormal]

I would like to pose a question.

If Casey were to confess to it being an accident and tell how it happened, would anyone that thinks it is outright murder accept it as a possibility?There would have to be some type of evidence to support her words for me to believe it. (Statements from family members are not believable to me). jmo

[8BellesFan]

depending on what side of the shed door you're on, denying reporting stolen gas cans could be obstruction.

[AbbyNormal]

Well, there have been some who must since they blame Caseys behavior on her Mother.

jmo
Well, the nut didn't fall far from the tree. jmo

[MalloryCat]

Well by golly, YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Dang! Where was the obstruction?

Savannah, sigh, it was the PANTS, you know the ones Cindy washed and then later told the cops, even though one would think if you had something to hide you would just shut your mouth.

jmo

[Cury-us Coyote]

Major Caylee Anthony Clue Could Be On Mystery Videotape (http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news)
Friday, January 2, 2009 – updated: 6:10 pm EST January 2, 2009

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Brand new evidence could potentially tie Casey Anthony to her daughter's body. A mystery videotape of the crime scene, shot by one of the Anthonys' private investigators weeks before Caylee was found, reportedly shows their other private investigator on the phone. But who is he talking to?

Eyewitness News has learned that Hoover is planning a news conference for Monday.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18401963/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

[i_pickle]

Might I borrow your words. I sound like a broken record. We've all been throwing things out there. That came from Lee, the neighbors about the fight. We're all speculating on how Casey and why she took off with Caylee.

I believe you just read Cindy's myspace. Our speculation isn't so far fetched.

No one said it's factual but you putting words in peoples mouths.

You and Daniel can go back into your private conversation of your thoughts not about the case but posters theories.

But it is pretty rude dontcha know.Yes, it is. And even after I explained what I meant the badgering and berating continued.

I'll probably just scroll past their posts from now on because they don't seem to have a lot to offer regarding this case.

JMO

[gaelicpeas]

LOL guys. I think all of you are great here, no matter how you stand on the Anthonys. We all agree that Casey did it:

(respectfully snipped)

There are a few of us here that don't believe Casey was necessarily the murderer or the only responsible party. But you are right, most by far think she was. JMO

[legalmania]

In fairness, they did recant later and say it smelled like the pizza that was rotten in the car, with maggots. In the hot FL weather for 11 days or whatever.

But still. That's obstruction????? As if their noses would send Casey to the electric chair and without their noses she wouldn't be convicted.

I mean, c'mon!!!!!!!

Especially when there was no pizza in the car it was just the pizza box. There may have been a little cheese or sauce but nothing that could smell like a dead body.

[SavannahStar]

Might I borrow your words. I sound like a broken record. We've all been throwing things out there. That came from Lee, the neighbors about the fight. We're all speculating on how Casey and why she took off with Caylee.

I believe you just read Cindy's myspace. Our speculation isn't so far fetched.

No one said it's factual but you putting words in peoples mouths.

You and Daniel can go back into your private conversation of your thoughts not about the case but posters theories.

But it is pretty rude dontcha know.


Private conversations are held in PMs. I'm not having a private conversation with anyone. It's right out here on the board for you to read.

Maybe it bothers you that someone agrees with me? :mad:

[bchand]

It wasn't like they picked up the car from the impound lot and drove it into a lake, or set it on fire......

they took it home, confronted Casey and called the police....if I'm not mistaken.....

So I really don't see much obstruction.

But JMO


They took it home, cleaned it out, washed the clothes, put them away, sprayed Febreze all over it.....

[MalloryCat]

Well, the nut didn't fall far from the tree. jmo

I have yet to meet a perfect family with super people and no black sheeps. As far as I can see, Cindys kids managed to get threw life without being murdered. She also held a job down, and supported her family, its a damn shame she was not perfect and more attentive to her messed up daughter, and its too bad that she was not also given the gift of being a psychic so she could see all this happening.

jmo

[8BellesFan]

They took it home, cleaned it out, washed the clothes, put them away, sprayed Febreze all over it.....


and George whistled off to work knowing how the car smelled.

[SavannahStar]

Yes, it is. And even after I explained what I meant the badgering and berating continued.

I'll probably just scroll past their posts from now on because they don't seem to have a lot to offer regarding this case.

JMO

I think I do, that's rude to say.

Check this afternoon when I found verification that the names "Zanny" and "Zenita" were used prior to Caylee going missing.

But you're leading me to believe that anyone with a minority opinion "doesn't have a lot to offer regarding this case".....surely you don't mean that.

[gaelicpeas]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.

Good first post and welcome! Crazier things have happened... the Groende (sp?) case comes to mind.

[Calla]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.

Welcome!

Drop the hesitation..it will be fine.LOL

Desperation is what I make of the Anthony's actions..but I will think longer about your post...

[SavannahStar]

(respectfully snipped)

There are a few of us here that don't believe Casey was necessarily the murderer or the only responsible party. But you are right, most by far think she was. JMO

Wow, I haven't seen that. Would be interesting to know how THAT poster would be treated on here, not believing Casey was the murderer. Yikes! :ohmy:

[8BellesFan]

I think I do, that's rude to say.

Check this afternoon when I found verification that the names "Zanny" and "Zenita" were used prior to Caylee going missing.

But you're leading me to believe that anyone with a minority opinion "doesn't have a lot to offer regarding this case".....surely you don't mean that.


I think that all opinions are needed. How else would I be able to think all situations through in this since there is so much info. I think what some took offense to was another poster, not you, who referred to ideas as silly and ridiculous while implying that they know what any judge will do.

[SavannahStar]

I don't even think the hair brush was obstruction.....

were the police looking for DNA from the child or a mtDNA profile?...

reason I ask this, is because whether it be Casey's or Caylee's hair, they would share the same mtDNA profile.


I don't consider it obstruction either. But you probably know that.

[gaelicpeas]

and bc of that out and out willingness to accept, they reacted to anyone who suggested they were looking for a dead body with anger. LE included. sure you can something is technically hindering but imo cindy just gave them any old brush bc in her eyes caylee was alive therefore they were just wasting time instead of looking for the alive caylee. Same with her anger at TES. Not that they were scared someone might find caylee dead and caysee go to prison but bc if they were searching in the woods and fields again it was wasting time and hurting their belief caylee was alive.

really almost all their actions make sense if you understand they were desperate to believe caylee was alive, and yes it went even to the irrational denial that anyone who mentioned/thought/looked for dead caylee was against them and caylee. It wasn't covering up for caysee, it was simply refusing to admit even the smallest chance that caylee was dead.

imo

Possibly - but if they were so convinced Caylee was alive, why should they care that TES and others were searching? IMO, it was more they were desperate to make the public believe she was alive.

[bchand]

It's not illegal to do a load of laundry. Sometimes I wish it was.

awwww comeon. How about washing the car and spraying it with Febreze - especially after you suspect the smell being a dead body?

eta: I don't mind doing laundry, just wish it wasn't down the basement.

[i_pickle]

snip

Maybe it bothers you that someone agrees with me? :mad:The only thing that bothers me is that I never said the car was obstruction. I tried to explain but that didn't seem to matter to either you or daniel. You just continued with your rude comments.

It appears it's more important to you and daniel to belittle others that post here than it is to discuss this case.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess :bored:

[legalmania]

don't forget the multitude of 911 calls preceding the events of June 15th

So there were a multitude of calls to 911 but no arrest even though Cindy supposedly had her hands around Caseys throat?

[marshmallow]

Why though? I guess I don't understand.

I don't either. But I'm lucky (or unlucky) in that when we have a family tiff we say it out loud and get it over with. It's just the way we've always been. I'm not saying it's a best way or a good way, just how we are as a family.

[8BellesFan]

It's not illegal to do a load of laundry. Sometimes I wish it was.


Washing anything from that car considering George's admitted experience with such odors was IMO deliberate. He had just brought the car from the tow lot where he had prayed that it not be his family members in the trunk smelling like that.

[I'mRight]

awwww comeon. How about washing the car and spraying it with Febreze - especially after you suspect the smell being a dead body?

It's facts like these that make me swing the other way (think they knew Caylee was dead). I go back and forth on how involved I think they were.

[Dells]

there is one thing for sure. a not quite 3 year old child is lost forver for no reason and left laying in a garbage bag, while nobody called the police for a month and when finally help is called, the mother (term used very loosely) does her best to muddy the trail to her. that is for sure.

Yep, that's true. I just wonder how much longer it Casey would have gone w/out reporting Caylee missing if Cindy did not call 911 on her? Actually, there is no doubt in mind that Casey would never have been the person to call authorities and report Caylee missing.

[SandyO]

Well by golly, YOU'RE RIGHT!!! Dang! Where was the obstruction?

Would it be considered obstruction if George and Cindy were not truthful with LE? For instance, what if George did not see Casey and Caylee on the 16th, and Cindy did not hear them sleeping, but told LE that they did?

[8BellesFan]

So there were a multitude of calls to 911 but no arrest even though Cindy supposedly had her hands around Caseys throat?

yes, over a few months.

[AbbyNormal]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.Hi Jini, it is my belief that an "alive" Caylee was worth more $$ for fund raising schemes. jmo

[happy2bme]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.


Shasta Groene

[bchand]

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Didn't anybody catch on to this? Why use "the little angel" and not "our little girl". The little angel implies "in heaven". Go ahead and hammer me. When was this written? I would like to know when these people actually knew this baby was deceased. What an odd choice of words.

The date is right there - July 3rd. How about the MY CAYLEE is missing?

[MalloryCat]

How about cleaning the trunk before LE picked it up? Isn't that obstruction?

Why are you not more concerned about what could have happened to the car after the Anthonys called the police and they didn't take it away for almost a full day later, they could have done all sorts of stuff to it had they wanted. Ooops again for LE.

jmo

[Postergeist]

and the defendant's parents too? :laugh:

wow- are my eyes bad or are posts that have been quoted missing?

ack- trying to catch up before getting ready for the Sugar Bowl to start.

All this chatter about who's behind nics and who are newbies- well, gee, I'm familiar with several nics that post on this and other boards and their 'style' too...

The "etc." does include defendants parents/spouses et al- whether it be the Anthonys or the Petersons or name the criminal of the week/month/year.

I'm not the only one that finds it unusual that the Anthonys by way of their attorney wants immunity only after they get the report of a child's skull found in their neighborhood.

Not prior to other reports of items and bones being found in other areas, but after a skull is found.

Why now does their attorney say they are willing to be cooperative now?

Mark Hacking's parents and siblings wanted the truth to come out- because to them the truth still mattered.

the Truth is never grey

imo

[ellegna]

Thanks steff. So now Hoover is going to hold a news conference on Monday. Why wait I wonder.

Probably looking for a lawyer. :laugh:

[Dells]

Something about their phone conversations really had me suspicious, but you may be right. Why hire a lawyer if there is absolutely nothing to worry about?

Also, don't forget that the lawyer went on TV stating that charges could be filed against Lee. If the lawyer didn't go on TV and state that, then none of us would probably even know about it. Having possible charges filed against you seems very suspicious to me. Then again, it seems that everyone that Casey has come into contact with has had to lawyer up.:thumbdown:

[i_pickle]

snip



But you're leading me to believe that anyone with a minority opinion "doesn't have a lot to offer regarding this case".....surely you don't mean that.That's not what I'm saying at all but at this point I really don't care what you believe.

I'm here to discuss the case, period.

[SavannahStar]

The only thing that bothers me is that I never said the car was obstruction. I tried to explain but that didn't seem to matter to either you or daniel. You just continued with your rude comments.

It appears it's more important to you and daniel to belittle others that post here than it is to discuss this case.

Whatever floats your boat, I guess :bored:


I didn't feel there was any belittling on either of our parts...some people post in a different manner than others. But I can relate to what you say, because I am in the minority opinion about much of this case (particularly about the Anthonys) and I find myself being "belittled" quite often.

I apologize for however you took my posts. I only meant to disagree, rather than belittle because of the disagreement.

[jewel6]

wow- are my eyes bad or are posts that have been quoted missing?

ack- trying to catch up before getting ready for the Sugar Bowl to start.

All this chatter about who's behind nics and who are newbies- well, gee, I'm familiar with several nics that post on this and other boards and their 'style' too...

The "etc." does include defendants parents/spouses et al- whether it be the Anthonys or the Petersons or name the criminal of the week/month/year.

I'm not the only one that finds it unusual that the Anthonys by way of their attorney wants immunity only after they get the report of a child's skull found in their neighborhood.

Not prior to other reports of items and bones being found in other areas, but after a skull is found.

Why now does their attorney say they are willing to be cooperative now?

Mark Hacking's parents and siblings wanted the truth to come out- because to them the truth still mattered.

the Truth is never grey

imo

ITA! They did and he confessed. They confronted him. If only The Anthonys would! JMO :unsure:

[bchand]

<< snipped>>

I'm not the only one that finds it unusual that the Anthonys by way of their attorney wants immunity only after they get the report of a child's skull found in their neighborhood.

Not prior to other reports of items and bones being found in other areas, but after a skull is found.

Why now does their attorney say they are willing to be cooperative now?

Mark Hacking's parents and siblings wanted the truth to come out- because to them the truth still mattered.

the Truth is never grey

imo

No, you are not the only one. I agree.

[legalmania]

The date is right there - July 3rd. How about the MY CAYLEE is missing?

Sounds to me like she knew she was dead.

[gaelicpeas]

Actually, my daughter's friends from high school are on myspace and often send me comments. Also when my daughter posted a profile on facebook, many of her church friends contacted her and asked about me. I haven't set up a facebook account yet but have been thinking about it. A friend my age pointed us to her page to see Christmas photos of the family. BTW if anyone wants to know, I'm 58 going on 59.

lol - you must me a cool mama, then! Okay, so it happens... but do you really see Casey's friends doing this? From what I recall, Cindy didn't even know most of Casey's current friends - she met them sometime in late July, I believe it was, when Lee got all her friends together at the Anthony house to "discuss" things. IMO

[Barbara fl.]

Please be patient with me and my posting - yes, I am new at this. I know this is way off base with most of the posts on here but I wanted to get your opinions on what you think about something I have been thinking about for some time. If Cindy and George really believed the many sightings of little girls were Caylee, what would make them or anyone else think a kidnapper would be out in public walking around with Caylee? Anyone in their right mind would lay low and stay well out of sight since it was so well publicized that she was missing. Does anyone else have any thoughts on this and if it has already been mentioned - I am sorry to be repeating it? I was hoping each time G and C were interviewed that would be one of the questions asked but if it was - I didn’t hear it. I do believe there was more to their keeping Caylee alive with those sightings, then we will ever know.



Welcome to the board......

Yes , I believe there was a lot more to it ....I believe that they felt as long as they continued to portray Caylee as being alive, Casey would stand a better chance at a murder trial....Usually it is advise given by their attorney...and it is also meant to try and reach any potential juror's that would be listening....to give that slightest reasonable doubt.......JMO

[gaelicpeas]

Wow, I haven't seen that. Would be interesting to know how THAT poster would be treated on here, not believing Casey was the murderer. Yikes! :ohmy:

lol... search my posts...

[Dells]

How did Caylee get into Casey's trunk if she did not out her there? Why would someone who wanted to frame her not leave her in the car, that would frame her more than leaving Caylee in the woods by the house? I really do not see how this crime can point to anyone other than Casey. They found no evidence of trama to the bones of Caylee because come on lets face it, Cindy had Caylee all the time up until Casey killed her. Logic gives us the answers to the clues. Why did Casey decide to kill Caylee this time you may ask. I believe it is because Cindy was told by her therapist to make Casey responsible for her own life....tough love.....teach her a lesson. Cindy nor the therapist believed Casey would kill her.

Great point! If someone truly wanted to frame Casey, then they just should have left Caylee in the truck. It just another one of the lies that shows that the nanny did it story could not be possible.:rolleyes:

[martha]

How about cleaning the trunk before LE picked it up? Isn't that obstruction?
Yes it is they knew something was in that trunk that was not sup.to be there. the a;s knew from the start that casey had done something to caylee.jmho

[Katt2]

There would have to be some type of evidence to support her words for me to believe it. (Statements from family members are not believable to me). jmo

I guess I sort of feel the same way in regards to it being murder. I need more proof. Maybe LE has more and we just haven't heard it all yet.

[SavannahStar]

[/B]


Didn't anybody catch on to this? Why use "the little angel" and not "our little girl". The little angel implies "in heaven". Go ahead and hammer me. When was this written? I would like to know when these people actually knew this baby was deceased. What an odd choice of words.

I don't think "little angel" necessarily implies in heaven. I have heard people call little girls "little angels" all the time and they are alive and well.

[islandgirl36542]

I have yet to meet a perfect family with super people and no black sheeps. As far as I can see, Cindys kids managed to get threw life without being murdered. She also held a job down, and supported her family, its a damn shame she was not perfect and more attentive to her messed up daughter, and its too bad that she was not also given the gift of being a psychic so she could see all this happening.

jmo


The more that morals are thrown out the window...the More of this I'm afraid we are going to Have to read about. JMO

:sad:

[8BellesFan]

Yes it is they knew something was in that trunk that was not sup.to be there. the a;s knew from the start that casey had done something to caylee.jmho

yup, cleaned the car and searched the property. they say they were looking for signs of foul play

[happy2bme]

I have yet to meet a perfect family with super people and no black sheeps. As far as I can see, Cindys kids managed to get threw life without being murdered. She also held a job down, and supported her family, its a damn shame she was not perfect and more attentive to her messed up daughter, and its too bad that she was not also given the gift of being a psychic so she could see all this happening.

jmo


yes it is...

[Dells]

I agree very Cold, that is why I cannot go with accident theory. Average 22 year old girl getting handcuffed and carted off to jail. She would be petrified. Average 22 yr old girl falls asleep her baby drowns in swimming pool would be horrified and broken. She would not have feared her mother or the devil himself if some horrific accident happened to her baby girl. Average 22 yr old girl being locked up in jail for stealing money would be petrified at what if any jail time she would be sentenced to. Average 22 yr old girl being charged for murder of her baby girl would not be eating, reading, napping she would be on sucide watch and telling the world I panicked, how sorry she was and ate up with guilt. She would tell where she hide the baby, and swear she did not mean for this happen. Casey does not display any remorse any signs of emotion for Caylee and what happend to her. Just business as usual for. No accident

She is just Cold

Great post!:thumbup: I absolutely agree. I think Casey's behavior is going to be one of the things that is going to convict her.

[Neffy]

Private conversations are held in PMs. I'm not having a private conversation with anyone. It's right out here on the board for you to read.

Maybe it bothers you that someone agrees with me? :mad:

Exactly. What I'm reading belongs in a pm. Your conversation was private pm message that you posted publicly about other posters theories (some people?) being twisted around.

I have no idea what your theory is to agree or disagree with you so it certainly can't bother me what I don't know.

Obstruction because of the smell in the trunk. I believe many posters referred to the switching of the hairbrushes one of the obstruction points. I believe the smell in the trunk was referred to the Anthony's lying and being in cover up mode from what the originally said to what their story ended up being in the media.

I think Baez should lose his license from that farce of a defense. Will it happen - no. Just my thought posted. Really tiresome hearing comments twisted and ridiculed.

[aubrey04]

We'll see whether George and Cindy to tell the truth on the stand or lie. I am sure that's when the DA's office will decide whether to charge them or not. If they LIE on the stand under oath and their story changes from what they said under oath in the interviews with LE and the FBI, then I think there is a great possibility they might be charged.

The hairbrush incident and cleaning the car, etc.. might come into play too.

We'll see what they (G&C) decide to do when it comes time for them to testify at Casey's trial.

[daHawg]

The date is right there - July 3rd. How about the MY CAYLEE is missing?
Also according to this Cindy's myspace page was created on July 3rd the day that she wrote that. Page 2 of 33.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

[Reenbean]

It's facts like these that make me swing the other way (think they knew Caylee was dead). I go back and forth on how involved I think they were.


I'm with you on that. It's hard to imagine how the A's could knowingly cover up the death of their granddaughter. At first I tried to look at it as an act of desperation, complete denial, etc. But just so much has come to light, all the lies that the A's (mostly Cindy) said. Now admitting they made "conflicting" statements and are seeking immunity. While I can understand wanting to protect their flesh and blood daughter, I'll never understand their failure to protect Caylee's right to justice. Somewhere, at some point, you draw the line to loyalty and do what's right. This is about a dead child FGS.

[i_pickle]

I didn't feel there was any belittling on either of our parts...some people post in a different manner than others. But I can relate to what you say, because I am in the minority opinion about much of this case (particularly about the Anthonys) and I find myself being "belittled" quite often.

I apologize for however you took my posts. I only meant to disagree, rather than belittle because of the disagreement.Thank you. Someone asked me how the car incident was obstuction and I said that I wasn't clear. I think the hair brush was obstruction and the car was an indication that they are in deep denial. Maybe you missed it because the board moves so fast.

At any rate I appreciate the apology.

[shellzbi]

wow- are my eyes bad or are posts that have been quoted missing?

ack- trying to catch up before getting ready for the Sugar Bowl to start.

All this chatter about who's behind nics and who are newbies- well, gee, I'm familiar with several nics that post on this and other boards and their 'style' too...

The "etc." does include defendants parents/spouses et al- whether it be the Anthonys or the Petersons or name the criminal of the week/month/year.

I'm not the only one that finds it unusual that the Anthonys by way of their attorney wants immunity only after they get the report of a child's skull found in their neighborhood.

Not prior to other reports of items and bones being found in other areas, but after a skull is found.

Why now does their attorney say they are willing to be cooperative now?

Mark Hacking's parents and siblings wanted the truth to come out- because to them the truth still mattered.

the Truth is never grey

imo

The truth has few words.

Roll Tide Roll!

[AbbyNormal]

I have yet to meet a perfect family with super people and no black sheeps. As far as I can see, Cindys kids managed to get threw life without being murdered. She also held a job down, and supported her family, its a damn shame she was not perfect and more attentive to her messed up daughter, and its too bad that she was not also given the gift of being a psychic so she could see all this happening.

jmoIt is my belief that Cynthia and Casey are somewhat alike. Neither one are bothered by a conscience. They view it as a weakness in others.......a handicap.

That is not typical. All they can do is mimic what they perceive as normal behavior.

I can agree with you that no family is perfect.

[happy2bme]

I don't either. But I'm lucky (or unlucky) in that when we have a family tiff we say it out loud and get it over with. It's just the way we've always been. I'm not saying it's a best way or a good way, just how we are as a family.


My family as well, marshmallow.

[aubrey04]

Yes it is they knew something was in that trunk that was not sup.to be there. the a;s knew from the start that casey had done something to caylee.jmho

I agree, Martha. They knew for weeks that something wasn't right. George said when he went to open the trunk, he prayed it wasn't Caylee he was smelling.. He knew she was missing. The Anthony's then went on to clean the trunk, wash clothing and give the wrong hairbrush to LE.

The first 3 911 calls were sincere, imo. Shortly after that, the cover-up began and it has never ended. We'll see what they decide to do at trial though. It will be the biggest decision of their life, imo. Will they man up and do the right thing OR continue with the lies?

[happy2bme]

FWIW.. I have never seen a rude word from either Savannah or Daniel..ever.


Can we discuss the case????

[AbbyNormal]

It's not illegal to do a load of laundry. Sometimes I wish it was.What if it wasn't febreeze used to freshen up the car? What if one of the family members used chloroform to disinfect the car with? Would that be obstruction? (just speculating)

[legalmania]

I'll have to look at the chemical composition of Febreze, but I highly doubt it would destroy much of the evidence that would have been in the trunk, especially any DNA evidence.

Same thing with washing the clothing.....

Just seems to be a reach that they obstructed by doing such, much less had intent to obstruct in that situation.

IMO

Did Cindy ever say what was on those pants that she felt so compelled to wash them right away?

[SandyO]

I don't think this is entirely true. I think that a few are starting to re-think this case and see how little the State for hard evidence to convict Casey for murder. And I don't think it is fair to try to vilify folks that are looking at the evidence for what it is and coming to that conclusion. I myself have flip-flopped and I believe the reason for that is because I am stuck like a record on "show me the evidence" and nothing is coming back. And I am not really putting too much stock at this point in circumstantial evidence or what something appears to be, I am from Missouri, show me the proof. I am looking for forensics or something alot more concrete than just "well she was looking on the internet for neck breaking so she must have, or well gee she was out having a party when she should have been worrying about her daughter. Just because she was not worried about her daughter does not make her a pre-meditated murderer. It means she didn't like her kid. And I can name hundreds of parents in my town alone who don't like their kids. Doesn't make them murderers. That is where I am today. Unless someone can show me the hard evidence tying her directly to the murder of Caylee, I'm not convinced yet. And that is not me playing a game.

Don't you find this case to be a lot like the Scott/Laci Peterson case, Jan? I remember fearing Scott wouldn't be convicted for many of the same reasons. Evidence was largely circumstantial, no cause of death was ever determined, and on and on. Most murder cases don't have an eye-witness, or the act isn't on video tape, so what kind of proof do we really need? I'm not playing games with this, either.

[Calla]

[/B]


Didn't anybody catch on to this? Why use "the little angel" and not "our little girl". The little angel implies "in heaven". Go ahead and hammer me. When was this written? I would like to know when these people actually knew this baby was deceased. What an odd choice of words.

I called my only grand daughter 'the little angel' sometimes...but most times I call her by her name...or say 'that little girl'

I think Cindy was trying to get Casey to read this online and I believe that was her only motive...

me? I write poetry to air my heartaches and let the tears stain the paper...I don't do it on myspace so no one can throw it back at me later..lol

I believe Cindy wrote this during the time she believed Casey was intentionally keeping Caylee from her...(she was right. casey was. because caylee was dead)

[8BellesFan]

Did Cindy ever say what was on those pants that she felt so compelled to wash them right away?

she said they smelled like the car

[SavannahStar]

Exactly. What I'm reading belongs in a pm. Your conversation was private pm message that you posted publicly about other posters theories (some people?) being twisted around.

I have no idea what your theory is to agree or disagree with you so it certainly can't bother me what I don't know.

Obstruction because of the smell in the trunk. I believe many posters referred to the switching of the hairbrushes one of the obstruction points. I believe the smell in the trunk was referred to the Anthony's lying and being in cover up mode from what the originally said to what their story ended up being in the media.

I think Baez should lose his license from that farce of a defense. Will it happen - no. Just my thought posted. Really tiresome hearing comments twisted and ridiculed.

You must have missed my post about the unimportance of whatever the Anthonys perceived they smelled. That is not obstruction, and me saying that is not twisting what anyone says. Period.

[Reenbean]

I don't either. But I'm lucky (or unlucky) in that when we have a family tiff we say it out loud and get it over with. It's just the way we've always been. I'm not saying it's a best way or a good way, just how we are as a family.

We're pretty vocal here too. I was raised to talk about (even yell sometimes LOL) my feelings, views, etc. And also to own up to mistakes and pay the consequences and LEARN from it. And that's how I'm raising my kids. Hubby tells the kids, "If ya do the crime, ya do the time". Perfect family, heck no. There's no such thing IMO. Do your best and pray they turn out wonderful people contributing positively to a crazy world!!

[daHawg]

This to me proves nothing. What they are saying in this link is that someone in the Anthony family set up a myspace page for Caylee like a year or two ago. So what bfd. The idea behind that could have been so that family members from other states that don't get a chance to see little Caylee could sign in and see some updated photos and catch up on her progress as in first steps, first words, first tooth, etc.

What is the point of this? That she knew last year that Caylee would be missing and pre-meditated this murder last year? I'm not buying.

No she says that CINDY created her myspace page on 7-3-08 the same day that CINDY wrote the My Caylee is missing blog. I was just pointing out that Cindy didn't have a myspace page prior to 7/3.

Also it was Cindy that said that Casey had spent time in the morning of the 16th creating a Caylee Myspace page and she is pointing out that all Casey did was change over her myspace page to the Caylee is Missing page.

[AbbyNormal]

[/B]


Didn't anybody catch on to this? Why use "the little angel" and not "our little girl". The little angel implies "in heaven". Go ahead and hammer me. When was this written? I would like to know when these people actually knew this baby was deceased. What an odd choice of words. Yes! And why does she make a big deal out of "all I am guilty of".......?

[MerriMent]

I have yet to meet a perfect family with super people and no black sheeps. As far as I can see, Cindys kids managed to get threw life without being murdered. She also held a job down, and supported her family, its a damn shame she was not perfect and more attentive to her messed up daughter, and its too bad that she was not also given the gift of being a psychic so she could see all this happening.

jmo

GMAB. Cindy's granddaughter didn't make it to age 3. It IS a damn shame Cindy wasn't attentive to her messed-up daughter. They lived in the same house. Cindy knew Casey didn't graduate high school. Cindy knew Casey lied, stole money, had a child who hadn't slept in her own bed in 30 days. Cindy didn't have to be a psychic to see her daughter was in self-destruct mode and her granddaughter was the one at risk. All she needed to do was open her eyes and intervene.

[gaelicpeas]

My jury is still out as well- IMOO

Yup, and every new day with somebody else lawyering up just sets off my hinky meter bad!

[Reenbean]

Did Cindy ever say what was on those pants that she felt so compelled to wash them right away?

I don't think so, IIRC just that the pants smelled really bad, like the CAR.

[8BellesFan]

GMAB. Cindy's granddaughter didn't make it to age 3. It IS a damn shame Cindy wasn't attentive to her messed-up daughter. They lived in the same house. Cindy knew Casey didn't graduate high school. Cindy knew Casey lied, stole money, had a child who hadn't slept in her own bed in 30 days. Cindy didn't have to be a psychic to see her daughter was in self-destruct mode and her granddaughter was the one at risk. All she needed to do was open her eyes and intervene.


these are the makings of parental guilt that would make Cindy now defend Casey to the nth degree, IMO

[marshmallow]

lol... search my posts...

I'll back you up Gaelic, at times our thoughts and opinions have been quite different :) but I do like the way you state your opinions

[Janz]

I'm with you on that. It's hard to imagine how the A's could knowingly cover up the death of their granddaughter. At first I tried to look at it as an act of desperation, complete denial, etc. But just so much has come to light, all the lies that the A's (mostly Cindy) said. Now admitting they made "conflicting" statements and are seeking immunity. While I can understand wanting to protect their flesh and blood daughter, I'll never understand their failure to protect Caylee's right to justice. Somewhere, at some point, you draw the line to loyalty and do what's right. This is about a dead child FGS.

Thank you Reenbean, I feel exactly the same way about the A`s.

[SandyO]

Did Cindy ever say what was on those pants that she felt so compelled to wash them right away?

All I ever heard her say was that they stunk like the car.

[aubrey04]

Also according to this Cindy's myspace page was created on July 3rd the day that she wrote that. Page 2 of 33.

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1449877/Deleted-myspace-comments-left-by-Casey-Anthony

And check this out.. This is interesting - previously brought up first by 5boxersmom here:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12605526&postcount=986


http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0926/17564976.pdf

Page 2

A MWword document entitled "Diary of Days.doc" was bookmarked.

Reports the author as CMANTHONY of the Gentiva Corp. July 2, 2008 at 10:42:08 am.








What does this mean? I thought Gentiva was where Cindy worked?

Casey (imo) replied back to Cindy's myspace blog - with her own myspace blog on July 7th.. Four days after Cindy's with the "Diary of Days" blog:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Cindy had Casey's blog bookmarked on her work email account. Sort of strange.... isn't it? ETA ~ hold up.. it was bookmarked on July 2nd? From Cindys work? I am so confused.. I thought Casey didn't write Diary of Days until July 7th, why would that poem be bookmarked on July 2nd?

[daniel green]

I'll have to look at the chemical composition of Febreze, but I highly doubt it would destroy much of the evidence that would have been in the trunk, especially any DNA evidence.

Same thing with washing the clothing.....

Just seems to be a reach that they obstructed by doing such, much less had intent to obstruct in that situation.

IMO


Fabreeze wouldn't destroy much, I agree.

I am not sure why ppl are intent on making the Anthonys responsible, somehow, for what their daughter did.

[Calla]

Washing anything from that car considering George's admitted experience with such odors was IMO deliberate. He had just brought the car from the tow lot where he had prayed that it not be his family members in the trunk smelling like that.

I figured george came in and said that car stinks...and he had his detective face on. He told her there was a bag of rotting pizza removed from the car at the tow lot. Knowing him like she does, cindy reacted, smelled the smell and then she made the statement that was aired on t.v. ..'that is pizza right george?' He said yes because he didn't know what else to say. This occurred before Cindy lost it , went looking for Casey, and met up with Amy. I suppose Amy may have told CIndy that evening that Casey said she had run over something (or her dad did). Knowing what we know of Cindy, I bet she told Amy the car smelled like something dead was in it.
I still fall back on the 911 call..especially when george walks in in the midst of it and cindy ignores the operator to say 'caylee's missing george".

I still get chills.
I didnt even respond to your question really did I? lol

[daHawg]

Oh, okay, I get where you are at. If you scroll down a bit though you will see that whoever is doing the blogging on that link is implying what I said. And that's "reaching" as Casey and Cindy and Lee would say.

I think she is pointing out what Cindy was saying Casey was doing the morning of the 16th putting together a Myspace page for Caylee. Cindy said that Casey was busy putting all the info out on the web and the writer of that is just pointing out that all Casey did was convert her myspace to the Caylee is Missing Myspace.

[dixie77]

No she says that CINDY created her myspace page on 7-3-08 the same day that CINDY wrote the My Caylee is missing blog. I was just pointing out that Cindy didn't have a myspace page prior to 7/3.
====================

I have never understood how someone could sit at a computer and write in their Myspace when their grandchild is missing. For crying out loud, couldnt their time have been better spent by getting off the puter and being out searching? Yeah....i could just see me sitting at a puter if my child was missing. The A's r all NUTS and self-centered. jmo

[gaelicpeas]

Let's do a poll. I keep asking for one and I think we should. Who thinks this is murder, who thinks this is an accident or not sure. Or who thinks she is guilty, not guilty or not sure. Does anyone know how to set that up and are we allowed to do that?

I wouldn't know how to vote until I see all the evidence, but JMO. I think all you have to do is set up a thread with the poll (or maybe pm Coldwater about it and she will set it up).

[dref99]

Is no one reading the same guilt laced paragraph that I am. All I can see is finger pointing, Cindy trying to analyze her guilt by deciding what she was guilty of, and whole lot of drama. Guilt trip, after guilt trip- I swear I must be on another planet today IMO

Well if you want to call it another planet? - I just call it a different point of view. Cindy was the mainstay of the family - financially and as a carer of Caylee and supporter of Casey.

I see the posting as a realisation (as her family had been saying for years) that it didn't matter how much she did for her daughter - the daughter would always want more & would never realise how much she cared.

Cindy felt guilty because after 22 years she called her daughter on her behaviour and the only response she got was Casey taking Caylee and leaving! I would be in anguish as well.

I think Cindy continues to blame herself for much of what happened & still cannot believe what Casey may have done. Trying to find alternative options is all she has left - and probably not for much longer.

jmo

[Neffy]

Defense lawyers don't lose their license because bloggers don't like the defense strategy. (I hope)

ROFLMAO! No you say? No kidding. I was trying to make a point how a thought gets twisted into someone thinking that I really believed this could happen.

Futile. My fault. Carry on!

[gaelicpeas]

I'll back you up Gaelic, at times our thoughts and opinions have been quite different :) but I do like the way you state your opinions

Thanks, Marshmallow, you too (and I miss your little hearts).

[marshmallow]

You must have missed my post about the unimportance of whatever the Anthonys perceived they smelled. That is not obstruction, and me saying that is not twisting what anyone says. Period.





just because something is unimportant to you doesn't mean it is unimportant to the rest of the world.

[trich]

Because it is clear that they tried to clean the stain and odor out of the trunk. George even said something in one of his interviews about how he should have left it alone but it smelled so bad. The first reactions of the Anthony's are the truth. They both smelled human decomp in the car and they knew Caylee was missing.

Exactly...it doesn't take a rocket scientist to understand that ....hey Cindy even said she thought her daughter or grandaughter might have been in the trunk....(I heard and saw her say that on tv).
So they both thought the same thing .....once they realized that Caylee was dead they went into lying to cover for Casey.

[AbbyNormal]

I guess I sort of feel the same way in regards to it being murder. I need more proof. Maybe LE has more and we just haven't heard it all yet.
I imagine LE has a lot more than we are privy to. Grand Jury didn't take long to reach a decision.

At first, I thought CA was possibly guilty. She seems just as likely to do something "out of spite" as Casey. But Casey is the one sitting in jail waiting for trial, so LE must have a lot more we haven't seen yet.

[Postergeist]

I don't think this is entirely true. I think that a few are starting to re-think this case and see how little the State for hard evidence to convict Casey for murder. And I don't think it is fair to try to vilify folks that are looking at the evidence for what it is and coming to that conclusion. I myself have flip-flopped and I believe the reason for that is because I am stuck like a record on "show me the evidence" and nothing is coming back. And I am not really putting too much stock at this point in circumstantial evidence or what something appears to be, I am from Missouri, show me the proof. I am looking for forensics or something alot more concrete than just "well she was looking on the internet for neck breaking so she must have, or well gee she was out having a party when she should have been worrying about her daughter. Just because she was not worried about her daughter does not make her a pre-meditated murderer. It means she didn't like her kid. And I can name hundreds of parents in my town alone who don't like their kids. Doesn't make them murderers. That is where I am today. Unless someone can show me the hard evidence tying her directly to the murder of Caylee, I'm not convinced yet. And that is not me playing a game.

well what d'ya know- I'm from the Show Me State as well- born and bred in Jackson County and my dad's kin hail from Cooper County and my mom's people from Grundy County, so I've got generations of Show Me in my blood.

However, I haven't been posting all day to see where all the vilification is happening and surely you're not accusing me of vilifying any posters here?!

Luckily, jurors are instructed that they can rely on their own life's experiences among other things when given their instructions.

I'm not too worried about what the jury will decide- what people post on MB's don't matter in the grand scheme of things when it comes down to the State vs. Casey Anthony.

jmo

and with that Roll Tide Roll!

[Reenbean]

And check this out.. This is interesting - previously brought up first by 5boxersmom here:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showpost.php?p=12605526&postcount=986



Casey (imo) replied back to Cindy's myspace blog - with her own myspace blog on July 7th.. Four days after Cindy's with the "Diary of Days" blog:

“On the worst of worst days, remember the words spoken
Trust no one, only yourself.
With great power, comes great consequence.
What is given can be taken away.
Everyone Lies.
Everyone Dies.”

Cindy had Casey's blog bookmarked on her work email account. Sort of strange.... isn't it? ETA ~ hold up.. it was bookmarked on July 2nd? From Cindys work? I am so confused.. I thought Casey didn't write Diary of Days until July 7th, why would that poem be bookmarked on July 2nd?


It's very chilling IMO. And just another rock in the mountain of CE against Casey. When you put all the pieces together it's a scary picture. Accident, maybe. Cover up, regardless? Oh yes. And for all the lies and months and months of hiding this IF indeed Caylee's death was accidental, well then I have no sympathy. Enough is enough.