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PensiveOne

01-01-2009, 09:34 AM

Exactly!

I think there is just something terribly wrong with this kid.

I have a son (10) who has always been incredibly athletic and extremely coordinated. He could physically do it without a problem at 8 I'm sure.

Linda, I would agree with you IF it is proved that he did this then something is terribly wrong with him.

Just because your son was physically able at 8, does not mean that this child has the same ability. Also, being physically able to do it is not the same as being emotionally able to do it.

I still cannot grasp the "why" of it. I think it takes a lot of motivation to commit murder and there are other people out there with a lot more motive than the child. JMO.

PensiveOne

01-01-2009, 09:58 AM

My X husband comes from a long line of hunters. He always had all guns locked up in the glass case. A flip out part of it had ammo, and a different key to that. Then there was stuff in the bottom drawers that had yet another lock and key. NOW That is safety. When we visited his parents, you never saw a gun, they were all locked up in a hugh gun cabinet with all kinds of guns, bows and arrows, a gun powder thingy, ect.
The only time we saw a gun was when one of them opened it as a Christmas present.
Even the handgun I carry is in a locked case.

You would think that would be common sense, wouldn't you?! JMO.

Kara

01-01-2009, 10:13 AM

You must think around a corner as we Germany say; in this case you have to think around three corners’ to find the pictures. -As this case come up in November, I googled a while around and found what I’m looking for, I just tried the link again now and it’s dead!Have you tried clicking on the cached version of the link? Google frequently caches links before they die.

Hawk

01-01-2009, 12:35 PM

Most posters have probably already read Mr. Brewers comments in this motion. He states his case extremely well.

Maybe if Joel Barr had Mr. Brewer as his advocate he wouldn't be in prison now.

Commander Avila, now running for Apache County Sheriff, is quite a piece of work.

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/Cases/JV2008065/MOTION%20TO%20SUPRESS%20STATEMENTS%20AND%20REQUEST %20FOR%20VOLUNTARINESS%20HEARING.pdf

LindaNJ1216

01-01-2009, 02:54 PM

Linda, I would agree with you IF it is proved that he did this then something is terribly wrong with him.

Just because your son was physically able at 8, does not mean that this child has the same ability. Also, being physically able to do it is not the same as being emotionally able to do it.

I still cannot grasp the "why" of it. I think it takes a lot of motivation to commit murder and there are other people out there with a lot more motive than the child. JMO.

Honestly, I'll never understand how anyone emotionally able. IF this child did it, I think he did, his motive made perfect sense to him.

bkwits

01-01-2009, 03:48 PM

Honestly, I'll never understand how anyone emotionally able. IF this child did it, I think he did, his motive made perfect sense to him.

What, IYO, was the child's motive for killing two men?

And how did he know they would each come into the house separately?

LindaNJ1216

01-01-2009, 04:10 PM

What, IYO, was the child's motive for killing two men?

And how did he know they would each come into the house separately?

I have no idea what was going on in that little boys head.

Maybe it was usual for them to come in separatly? Maybe the kid just got lucky and they did?

Hawk

01-01-2009, 04:53 PM

What, IYO, was the child's motive for killing two men?

And how did he know they would each come into the house separately?

The phone got Mr. Romans killed.

mrrogers

01-01-2009, 05:09 PM

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/police-reports-released-show-child-abuse-8-year-old-charged-with-double-murders/

Hawk

01-01-2009, 05:14 PM

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/police-reports-released-show-child-abuse-8-year-old-charged-with-double-murders/

Where's the police report referred to? Is this site reliable?
Do we finally have a solid motive? Or just more BS?

bkwits

01-01-2009, 05:26 PM

Where's the police report referred to? Is this site reliable?
Do we finally have a solid motive? Or just more BS?

I suspect it is more BS. They say that the child was with his Gma the night BEFORE the murders, clinging to her,etc. I think they are referring to the night OF the murders.

IMO

Hawk

01-01-2009, 05:34 PM

I suspect it is more BS. They say that the child was with his Gma the night BEFORE the murders, clinging to her,etc. I think they are referring to the night OF the murders.

IMO

Right. The site is just a blogger's opinion. There's no news source reference.

suzanne

01-01-2009, 05:35 PM

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/police-reports-released-show-child-abuse-8-year-old-charged-with-double-murders/

I don't know how reliable this is.But I have always thought there was abuse to this little boy and I have always wanted to know " IF " this little boy killed them.I want to know what provoked this or led up to this.I'm sorry but I really think 1000 swats is very excessive.NO ONE better EVER touch my kid this many times.

JD1974

01-01-2009, 05:38 PM

I suspect it is more BS. They say that the child was with his Gma the night BEFORE the murders, clinging to her,etc. I think they are referring to the night OF the murders.

IMO

That blog really confused me. Unless we have read wrong and the grandma stated she thought he did it NOT because he was crying that night but because he was crying and clinging to her the night before?? She thought since he was so upset about the spanking the night before thats why she thought he had done it. Makes way more sense than she thought he killed his dad because he cried and clung to her right after his dad was dead. That just never made any sense to me, now if she would of said he had no emotion whatsoever and that is what made her feel that way, well that would be different.

Hawk

01-01-2009, 05:42 PM

I don't know how reliable this is.But I have always thought there was abuse to this little boy and I have always wanted to know " IF " this little boy killed them.I want to know what provoked this or led up to this.I'm sorry but I really think 1000 swats is very excessive.NO ONE better EVER touch my kid this many times.

Remember, the term 'swats' was used only by Avila. That's her personal terminology to minimize a whipping. She tries to make it sound like 'love taps' or some such foolishness. The boy never said 'swats'.

He said he was spanked 5 times. Does they mean he was hit 5 times, or there were 5 different events on the same night? It makes huge a difference.

suzanne

01-01-2009, 05:42 PM

suzanne

01-01-2009, 05:45 PM

Hawk

01-01-2009, 05:45 PM

If grandma thought the little boy did it.Then I think what she was saying is he did because they were too rough on him.Which to me is saying it was provoked.I don't think she is blamming the little boy.

Who do you suppose grandma meant by 'they'? Dad and friend? Dad and step-mom? Step-mom and friend? All three?

bookie

01-01-2009, 05:45 PM

"Those close to the victims, say that both men were having serious problems at work with co-workers. Tim Romans, the co-worker and tenant of Vincent Romero, was going through a divorce and had asked his girlfriend to marry him the night before the murders."

This is from that link so I wouldn't put much weight to it just yet. There has been nothing showing the Romans were divorcing.

suzanne

01-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Did some one say there was blood on a spelling list?In his gargage can?Can some one please explain this to me?who's blood was on this paper and why?Do we know this?

JD1974

01-01-2009, 05:49 PM

Remember, the term 'swats' was used only by Avila. That's her personal terminology to minimize a whipping. She tries to make it sound like 'love taps' or some such foolishness. The boy never said 'swats'.

He said he was spanked 5 times. Does they mean he was hit 5 times, or there were 5 different events on the same night? It makes huge a difference.

Swat is a word used to make parents feel better about spanking their kids, sounds better than spank. Your right, when you say I swatted his/her hand sounds like you might have not even made contact just made a motion toward the hand...now when you say you smacked a hand, well there is no other way to take that LOL

suzanne

01-01-2009, 05:55 PM

Who do you suppose grandma meant by 'they'? Dad and friend? Dad and step-mom? Step-mom and friend? All three?

Dad and step mom probably.Maybe friend.I think the bio mom Eryn said she thought the step mom was abusing her son.I do think that should be looked into because honestly she was the one hitting the little boy.But the little boy does say in the confession I believe his dad told her to do it.He got a little emotional.I really don't want to look at the confession again.It really bothered me.I am wondering what did they or she hit him with?

LindaNJ1216

01-01-2009, 05:57 PM

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/police-reports-released-show-child-abuse-8-year-old-charged-with-double-murders/

I ain't buying it. If the child had been severely beaten the night before there would have been marks on him and we would have heard about it by now.

GentleBreeze

01-01-2009, 06:38 PM

I ain't buying it. If the child had been severely beaten the night before there would have been marks on him and we would have heard about it by now.

I am with you on that, Linda.

If he had been severely beaten just the night before, neither the DA nor his own defense attorney, would have been saying they had uncovered no abuse and were saying that five days after the murders took place on the following Monday, and then the gag order was put in place.

imo

Hawk

01-01-2009, 06:42 PM

Dad and step mom probably.Maybe friend.I think the bio mom Eryn said she thought the step mom was abusing her son.I do think that should be looked into because honestly she was the one hitting the little boy.But the little boy does say in the confession I believe his dad told her to do it.He got a little emotional.I really don't want to look at the confession again.It really bothered me.I am wondering what did they or she hit him with?

The interrogation transcript is easier to read than the video is to watch. Or it is to me anyway.

suzanne

01-01-2009, 07:12 PM

The interrogation transcript is easier to read than the video is to watch. Or it is to me anyway.

It's just the lady upsets me in it too much to see and there is all this beeping out of names ects.I can't hear the little boy.Do they have transcripts somewhere?

Hawk

01-01-2009, 07:50 PM

It's just the lady upsets me in it too much to see and there is all this beeping out of names ects.I can't hear the little boy.Do they have transcripts somewhere?

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/InterviewDVDChristian.pdf

suzanne

01-01-2009, 08:15 PM

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/InterviewDVDChristian.pdf

Thankyou very much.Were these just put up?I'm very sorry I have not been caught up with this.My son is in Irac right now and I just haven't been doing all this.

Hawk

01-01-2009, 08:52 PM

Thankyou very much.Were these just put up?I'm very sorry I have not been caught up with this.My son is in Irac right now and I just haven't been doing all this.

God bless, and be with, you and your son!

This is the most complete site I've seen covering this case. Compliments of ChildsVoice.

Click on 'Links to case information and news reports' at top right. She's provided enough stuff to keep you busy for hours.

http://profile.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=user.viewProfile&friendID=435515258

FurthurBB

01-01-2009, 11:35 PM

http://www.november2008stjohnsdoublehomicide.com/applications/DocumentLibraryManager/upload/InterviewDVDChristian.pdf

Wow! Reading it is really worse than seeing it. They keep leading him to say different things and he still never gets it right. It is strange how he juvie was on his mind twice. My 11-year-old doesn't even know what juvie is. IMO

bkwits

01-01-2009, 11:45 PM

Wow! Reading it is really worse than seeing it. They keep leading him to say different things and he still never gets it right. It is strange how he juvie was on his mind twice. My 11-year-old doesn't even know what juvie is. IMO

I read the whole thing through again. That Avila woman is frightening. It must really take some smarts to get a false confession out of a traumatized child. Not.

Hawk

01-02-2009, 12:07 AM

Wow! Reading it is really worse than seeing it. They keep leading him to say different things and he still never gets it right. It is strange how he juvie was on his mind twice. My 11-year-old doesn't even know what juvie is. IMO

I asked my 8 year old grandson if he knew what 'juvie' is. He replied, "Grandad, duh!. That's where bad kids go". When I asked him where he heard that word he told me Cartoon Network. Then I asked him if he knew what Juvenile Detention is. He said, "No".
When I asked his 12 year old sister the same questions she didn't know the term 'Juvie'. She is aware of Juvenile Detention. She said she learned about it in school.

Anyway, I suppose the St. Johns boy could have heard the word anywhere. It's certainly within reason that he could have been threatened with it, "If you don't straighten your a.. up and stop telling lies we're gonna send you to juvie". "It's an awful place. But you deserve it."

Just an observation.

Justice_Dawg

01-02-2009, 12:10 AM

most posters have probably already read mr. Brewers comments in this motion. He states his case extremely well.

Maybe if joel barr had mr. Brewer as his advocate he wouldn't be in prison now.

Commander avila, now running for apache county sheriff, is quite a piece of work.

http://apps.supremecourt.az.gov/docs/cases/jv2008065/motion%20to%20supress%20statements%20and%20request %20for%20voluntariness%20hearing.pdf

i t a !!!!!!!!

suzanne

01-02-2009, 12:15 AM

I asked my 8 year old grandson if he knew what 'juvie' is. He replied, "Grandad, duh!. That's where bad kids go". When I asked him where he heard that word he told me Cartoon Network. Then I asked him if he knew what Juvenile Detention is. He said, "No".
When I asked his 12 year old sister the same questions she didn't know the term 'Juvie'. She is aware of Juvenile Detention. She said she learned about it in school.

Anyway, I suppose the St. Johns boy could have heard the word anywhere. It's certainly within reason that he could have been threatened with it, "If you don't straighten your a.. up and stop telling lies we're gonna send you to juvie". "It's an awful place. But you deserve it."

Just an observation.

I agree,I think the police threatened him with it.

Hawk

01-02-2009, 12:17 AM

I agree,I think the police threatened him with it.

Yes. Or people at his home over a long period of time.

suzanne

01-02-2009, 12:29 AM

Yes. Or people at his home over a long period of time.

Yeah.I agree.

Justice_Dawg

01-02-2009, 12:31 AM

Wow! Reading it is really worse than seeing it. They keep leading him to say different things and he still never gets it right. It is strange how he juvie was on his mind twice. My 11-year-old doesn't even know what juvie is. IMO

Kids 8 and up talk about "juvie" around here. It is no big deal. Bad kids go to juvie.

If you watched the St John's Video tour posted yesterday, the St John's "Juvie" detention center is dead center in town on the main street.

JD1974

01-02-2009, 12:32 AM

Hawk

01-02-2009, 12:52 AM

This e-mail address was posted on another site for anyone who may wish to send a message to Judge Roca, the county attorney, Mr. Brewer, etc. They say the address belongs to the defence team (Wood Law Firm) but that they will forward to whomever you address it to.
Don't know if it's valid or not.

office@azcrimedog.net

The post also gave an address should you want to send something to Eryn Thomas or her son;

Amanda Mondoza
PO Box 1259
St. Johns AZ 85936

Maybe someone (JD? or ChildsVoice?) can tell us if this is accurate information.

muska

01-02-2009, 01:03 AM

There were some posts about having a conscience earlier and then I saw this quote:

"When will our consciences grow so tender that we will act to prevent human misery rather than avenge it?" Eleanor Roosevelt

I just liked it and thought I'd share it with all of you.

muska

01-02-2009, 01:19 AM

I've been reading about the Mossberg 702 Plinkster and the chipmunk rifle. I don't know if this means much but the Mossberg's manual says: "Because the rifle can be used as a single shot, it will fire whether a magazine is in the rifle if a cartridge is chambered." It also says that "if desired, the rifle can be single loaded with a cartridge directly into the chamber." And the"702 features an automatic bolt lock."

What do these statements mean? I don't know anything about guns but this info sounds like the Mossberg could be used as a single action gun if so desired. Is that right?

www.mossbergint.com/manuals/702_RevD.pdg

It also says the Mossberg 702 Plinkster has a capacity of 10(magazine) +1 so 11 shots, I guess. If you're saying that 11 shots were fired, the Mossberg may still fit......if I've been able to make any sense of this.

PensiveOne

01-02-2009, 09:20 AM

Here is a news story about the judge denying the request for the therapist.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iG_nB7rdOr3TiaL5ph3YDR5qNNTAD95EJ3B80

JD1974

01-02-2009, 09:42 AM

Here is a news story about the judge denying the request for the therapist.

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iG_nB7rdOr3TiaL5ph3YDR5qNNTAD95EJ3B80

Does this mean Tiffany is visiting the boy now? From your link..

The boy's mother, stepmother, aunt and grandmother have visitation rights, but Brewer said the boy cannot talk openly with them because they could be called as witnesses.

If she is maybe she is also not sure that he has done it??