Caylee Anthony New Years Eve Part II

[rj1212]

Here we go

[RiverWalk]

On Fox New Channel NOW about the immunity

[bchand]

KG talking about the case now on Fox

She's reporting the Anthony's lawyer is asking for immunity for them before they talk.

Former prosecutor on is saying granting immunity is a balancing act.

Prosecutor may say they may not be willing to give you full immunity. We want to hear what you have to say first.

(That'll work.)

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks much rj!

[shelbar53]

Here are my legal questions:

is it legal for baez to be the "mule" with letter passing betwenn casey and her family?

is it legal for him to continue with caylee is alive if he knew she was dead?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be in trouble for continuing to accept funds to help find her?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be responsible to pay back money LE used in their search for her?

will immunity protect the family from the above questions if they can get in trouble?

thanks if anyone can answer those.

[rj1212]

On Fox New Channel NOW about the immunity

Looking at Fox right now...

BTW...O/T...saw the Spurs beat the Grizzlies the other night...double overtime...Go Spurs Go!

Back to immunity...
or not...:thumbdown:

[Calla]

I saw an earlier post about casey's orders from the commissary...

said something about speed stick

just thinking ..maybe she read it... 'men and speed stick'

[forensicfan]

Have there been any new developments? Thus far on NG, it's just rehashed info.

[rj1212]

Thanks much rj!

You bet...there's so much to learn from all of you...:thumbup:

[101Spots]

KG talking about the case now on Fox

She's reporting the Anthony's lawyer is asking for immunity for them before they talk.

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought they talked immunity, the the perp had to tell what s/he'd be saying, then LE could say "Yes, we'll give you immunity if you testify to this truthfully," or "No, thanks, you're still in trouble."

On TV, I've seen both the perp and LE be the first to approach the subject.
:confused:

[bchand]

Have there been any new developments? Thus far on NG, it's just rehashed info.

Nothing new except a bunch of lawyers looking for immunity for their clients.

[RiverWalk]

Looking at Fox right now...

BTW...O/T...saw the Spurs beat the Grizzlies the other night...double overtime...Go Spurs Go!

Back to immunity...
or not...:thumbdown:

:thumbsup:

Very reasonable attorneys on this show today. NO YELLING over each other.

[101Spots]

I saw an earlier post about casey's orders from the commissary...

said something about speed stick

just thinking ..maybe she read it... 'men and speed stick'


:scared::biggrin:

[spiritwolf46]

You bet...there's so much to learn from all of you...:thumbup:

You too! Love your posts! There are so many wonderful posters here! Ya just can't go too wrong! ;)

[5boxersmom]

:thumbsup:

Very reasonable attorneys on this show today. NO YELLING over each other.

I like KG. She seems to think they have a very solid case against Casey. I like hearing that. :biggrin:

[spiritwolf46]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought they talked immunity, the the perp had to tell what s/he'd be saying, then LE could say "Yes, we'll give you immunity if you testify to this truthfully," or "No, thanks, you're still in trouble."

On TV, I've seen both the perp and LE be the first to approach the subject.
:confused:

GREAT question!

And again, who knows if those people will tell the truth now, or not? They have cried wolf one to many times, imo.

[rj1212]

Okay...Fox News now has a "new info" clip on the right side of the screen concerning the Anthonys. I wonder if they'll be truthful...

[boo]

Finally, caught up! I am so glad to see so many people were frustrated at the JA/YM interrogation. I was livid when they kept interrupting and wouldn't let her finish her sentences. I've listened to that interview a few times, and it's amazing how much more the detectives voices are on that tape, than the defendant.

Makes me mad all over again.

Happy New Year!

[NYGalPal]

:thumbsup:

Very reasonable attorneys on this show today. NO YELLING over each other.

Yes, for once.

Next: OMG, no spongebob

Now the yelling begins..LOL

[bchand]

Next - No SPONGEBOB??? :scared:

I don't know if they're coming back to the case or not.

[WinnieLeigh7]

Here are my legal questions:

is it legal for baez to be the "mule" with letter passing betwenn casey and her family?

is it legal for him to continue with caylee is alive if he knew she was dead?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be in trouble for continuing to accept funds to help find her?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be responsible to pay back money LE used in their search for her?

will immunity protect the family from the above questions if they can get in trouble?

thanks if anyone can answer those.


I don't know all of the answers but I know that Beaz could lie about her being alive knowing she wasn't just as well as anyone else...
Unless he took oath (which he still could I guess)...

[WinnieLeigh7]

Someone please correct me if I'm wrong. I thought they talked immunity, the the perp had to tell what s/he'd be saying, then LE could say "Yes, we'll give you immunity if you testify to this truthfully," or "No, thanks, you're still in trouble."

On TV, I've seen both the perp and LE be the first to approach the subject.
:confused:

LE gives immunity first I believe...but the 'perp' has to give an appetitizer as to what they have to offer for LE to consider placing the order for the main entree

[forensicfan]

I can't get the Fox News channel on the TV in the living room (where my computer is).

Did they say whether or not immunity was granted rj?

I am wondering if they will grant it on the basis that it would help the prosecution IF they don't lie!

I'll have to wait for NG tonight to find out.

[NYGalPal]

Next - No SPONGEBOB??? :scared:

I don't know if they're coming back to the case or not.

No, they may in the next hour. Remember they can only run about 3-4 stories a day.

[shellzbi]

Just heard the up-date on Fox.

Talking about immunity for the Anthony's.

What about the service for Caylee?

They are only thinking of themselves.

[Lavenia]

I like KG. She seems to think they have a very solid case against Casey. I like hearing that. :biggrin:

Especially after that guy on NG last night (Don't know who he was because I was watching with my eyes closed but he didn't sound familiar) but he was saying that the autopsy not showing a COD was a bog blow to the prosecution, and that the MR and PI controversies were going to be devastating to the prosecution, yada, yada, yada. I didn't believe that about the unknown COD theory so much because I think even without the remains being found, they have a strong case, but it nauseated me to think all this peripheral nonsense can possibly free the OC. (Not that I think it will in the long run, but I hate that there will even be a fight.)

[forensicfan]

From what they said yesterday, the memorial service is on hold pending the second autopsy (or examination). I know that George and Cindy want Casey to attend or so that was said on NG (OK, I'm addicted to that show). The question was whether or not Casey wanted to go because she had not yet challenged the decision of the jail not to let her go. G&C may be holding off while attempting to get Casey out to go to it.

[NYGalPal]

Just heard the up-date on Fox.

Talking about immunity for the Anthony's.

What about the service for Caylee?

They are only thinking of themselves.

No mention of the service. Sad isn't it?

No love for Caylee.

[Calla]

I think there is a fine line with the immunity deal...

consider this...they can say....there is a difference between 'knowing she is dead and saying nothing' and 'knowing she is dead but not being able to accept it'.

[impartial]

Here are my legal questions:

is it legal for baez to be the "mule" with letter passing betwenn casey and her family?

is it legal for him to continue with caylee is alive if he knew she was dead?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be in trouble for continuing to accept funds to help find her?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be responsible to pay back money LE used in their search for her?

will immunity protect the family from the above questions if they can get in trouble?

thanks if anyone can answer those.

In a nutshell:

1. Any letters passed between Casey and family do not fall within a privilege just because Baez was the go between.

2. Baez would not be able to say in Court he believes Caylee is alive, if in fact he knew she was dead. As an officer of the Court, he cannot make misrepresentations, falsities, to the Court. He is not hindered however from saying such to the media.

3. If they actually knew she was dead, and asked for donations to assist in their quest to find Caylee alive ONLY, then that could be considered fraud. However, their "belief" that she was alive, even in the face of all probability she was not, would not be tantamount to actual knowledge of her death.

4. LE never thought Caylee was alive. Since most of their funds, resources, etc., were spent looking for a body ... doubtful they would look to C & G for restitution.

5. Depends on what immunity they would have ... full immunity protects them from being prosecuted in exchange for their testimony.


IMO

[bchand]

From what they said yesterday, the memorial service is on hold pending the second autopsy (or examination). I know that George and Cindy want Casey to attend or so that was said on NG (OK, I'm addicted to that show). The question was whether or not Casey wanted to go because she had not yet challenged the decision of the jail not to let her go. G&C may be holding off while attempting to get Casey out to go to it.


IMO if they really want a private ceremony, they won't ask for her to be there.

[5boxersmom]

Especially after that guy on NG last night (Don't know who he was because I was watching with my eyes closed but he didn't sound familiar) but he was saying that the autopsy not showing a COD was a bog blow to the prosecution, and that the MR and PI controversies were going to be devastating to the prosecution, yada, yada, yada. I didn't believe that about the unknown COD theory so much because I think even without the remains being found, they have a strong case, but it nauseated me to think all this peripheral nonsense can possibly free the OC. (Not that I think it will in the long run, but I hate that there will even be a fight.)

I don't worry to much about the COD. Laci Peterson and Danielle Van Dam are a couple that come to mind.

I believe they have more against Casey then they did SP.

imo

[Calla]

i re - listened to the tape with the jailhouse visit from a high school 'friend' that casey mentioned to lee later..

i think that guy knows casey well and thot he could discover some truth and be a hero. maybe i am wrong about that.
i would like to know more about his motives for visiting her.

old topic i know...lol..just typing to warm my fingers

[5boxersmom]

No mention of the service. Sad isn't it?

No love for Caylee.

Yes it is. What is taking so long for the second autopsy? When were the remains released? Dec. 22? They probably won't even do a second autopsy.

When my mom died I hated thinking of her being in the morgue or the funeral home. I wanted her put to rest as soon as possible. Maybe others don't feel the way I do but it really bothered me.

[forensicfan]

IMO if they really want a private ceremony, they won't ask for her to be there.

Normal families probably wouldn't but this is not normal.

With or without Casey present, I think if they really want a private ceremony, they are going to have to have security as "private" doesn't seem to mean much to news reporters.

With respect for Caylee, I HOPE that the private ceremony remains private because it shouldn't be a media circus IMO.

[Lavenia]

I don't worry to much about the COD. Laci Peterson and Danielle Van Dam are a couple that come to mind.

I believe they have more against Casey then they did SP.

imo

That's what I mean. The COD worries me least because I wasn't worried about them not having her body (for prosecution efforts). I'm just upset that they may cause reasonable doubt with the MR and their PI's antics, etc. PLUS all the people they're gonna burn in their effort to get the baby killer off scot-free.

[MichelleP]

I think there is a fine line with the immunity deal...

consider this...they can say....there is a difference between 'knowing she is dead and saying nothing' and 'knowing she is dead but not being able to accept it'.

How is there a difference?

[5boxersmom]

That's what I mean. The COD worries me least because I wasn't worried about them not having her body (for prosecution efforts). I'm just upset that they may cause reasonable doubt with the MR and their PI's antics, etc. PLUS all the people they're gonna burn in their effort to get the baby killer off scot-free.

Yep. I agree with ya about them burning people. It's gonna get nasty.

jmo

[forensicfan]

Yes it is. What is taking so long for the second autopsy? When were the remains released? Dec. 22? They probably won't even do a second autopsy.

When my mom died I hated thinking of her being in the morgue or the funeral home. I wanted her put to rest as soon as possible. Maybe others don't feel the way I do but it really bothered me.

When my dad died, my mother just would NOT accept it and he was at the funeral home for two days before the service was held. I had to push her a bit to do the arrangements. I would have done the arrangements myself but my mom refused to let me do that so I had to make the appointment and pretty much tell her we were going to the funeral home. Get in the car or I will do it anyway. A bit harsh maybe but we couldn't just leave him there!

[rj1212]

The Anthony's don't need to mention anything in order to prove their love for little Caylee. I think they loved her more than anybody on this earth.

That's BS...(Barbara Streisand) with all due respect to your opinion...I do respect your right to your opinion.
I just happened to give mine.

If they loved her more than anybody on this earth, (including themselves) then why have they lied for CASEY and then seek immunity FOR THEMSELVES?

[forensicfan]

Well guys, I'm off to do the domestic goddess thing.

I had a deep tissue massage yesterday for my birthday and I am SO SORE and very lazy today but so much more relaxed!

I'll catch up with you later. Have a good day and Happy New Year!

[Calla]

How is there a difference?

don't ask me 'how there is a difference'..i said they will say there is a difference.
i haven't had my daughter kill my grandbaby .Thank God!

so i don't know..but i am sure they will say that altho all things pointed to their grandchild being dead, they just could not think rationally and could not accept it as true, so their actions and statements were based on that.

[Jayne]

In a nutshell:

1. Any letters passed between Casey and family do not fall within a privilege just because Baez was the go between.

2. Baez would not be able to say in Court he believes Caylee is alive, if in fact he knew she was dead. As an officer of the Court, he cannot make misrepresentations, falsities, to the Court. He is not hindered however from saying such to the media.

3. If they actually knew she was dead, and asked for donations to assist in their quest to find Caylee alive ONLY, then that could be considered fraud. However, their "belief" that she was alive, even in the face of all probability she was not, would not be tantamount to actual knowledge of her death.

4. LE never thought Caylee was alive. Since most of their funds, resources, etc., were spent looking for a body ... doubtful they would look to C & G for restitution.

5. Depends on what immunity they would have ... full immunity protects them from being prosecuted in exchange for their testimony.


IMO

whooo hooo.. there you are "impartial"..have missed your posts on other threads!

and do remind them who actually "gives/offers" immunity...it isn't the police or the defense!

Hope you had great holidays..

jmo

Jayne

[101Spots]

Yes it is. What is taking so long for the second autopsy? When were the remains released? Dec. 22? They probably won't even do a second autopsy.

When my mom died I hated thinking of her being in the morgue or the funeral home. I wanted her put to rest as soon as possible. Maybe others don't feel the way I do but it really bothered me.

I can understand your frustration. But the fact is if they want Kathy Reichs to examine the remains, they will have to allow for her schedule. Then add in the whole holiday thing, and the utter incompetence of the "Dream Team", and you have a real mess. Surely you wouldn't expect them to give up a holiday party to tend to this little matter......

[Calla]

The Anthony's don't need to mention anything in order to prove their love for little Caylee. I think they loved her more than anybody on this earth.
i agree with you.

[NYGalPal]

That's BS...(Barbara Streisand) with all due respect to your opinion...
I just happened to give mine.

If they loved her more than anybody on this earth, (including themselves) then why have they lied for CASEY and then seek immunity FOR THEMSELVES?

You said it and can't be repeated enough.

They didn't love Caylee enough and still don't.

[forensicfan]

don't ask me 'how there is a difference'..i said they will say there is a difference.
i haven't had my daughter kill my grandbaby .Thank God!

so i don't know..but i am sure they will say that altho all things pointed to their grandchild being dead, they just could not think rationally and could not accept it as true, so their actions and statements were based on that.

No no no! Unpopular opinion, remember? Just playing. I happen to agree with you where they were not rationally accepting her death.

We are all entitled to opinions.

Ok, ok. Domestic Goddess time.

[MalloryCat]

Well guys, I'm off to do the domestic goddess thing.

I had a deep tissue massage yesterday for my birthday and I am SO SORE and very lazy today but so much more relaxed!

I'll catch up with you later. Have a good day and Happy New Year!


Have a Happy New Year!!!!

[Dells]

Here we go

Thanks for the new thread!:thumbsup:

[bchand]

Well guys, I'm off to do the domestic goddess thing.

I had a deep tissue massage yesterday for my birthday and I am SO SORE and very lazy today but so much more relaxed!

I'll catch up with you later. Have a good day and Happy New Year!

Happy New Year to you too forensicfan.

[forensicfan]

Have a Happy New Year!!!!

Thank you!

[Dells]

Here are my legal questions:

is it legal for baez to be the "mule" with letter passing betwenn casey and her family?

is it legal for him to continue with caylee is alive if he knew she was dead?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be in trouble for continuing to accept funds to help find her?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be responsible to pay back money LE used in their search for her?

will immunity protect the family from the above questions if they can get in trouble?

thanks if anyone can answer those.

Great questions! I am very interested to hear the answer to them.

[AJandTam]

I can understand your frustration. But the fact is if they want Kathy Reichs to examine the remains, they will have to allow for her schedule. Then add in the whole holiday thing, and the utter incompetence of the "Dream Team", and you have a real mess. Surely you wouldn't expect them to give up a holiday party to tend to this little matter......

You mean that legal save my behind "Pow Wow" ??

Ok,, Shushing now.. Gotta go do the NYE thing.

[NYGalPal]

Yes it is. What is taking so long for the second autopsy? When were the remains released? Dec. 22? They probably won't even do a second autopsy.

When my mom died I hated thinking of her being in the morgue or the funeral home. I wanted her put to rest as soon as possible. Maybe others don't feel the way I do but it really bothered me.


Same way with my Mom. Why? because we loved and respected her. There is your answer.

Remember when the Peterson's dared to request Laci and Conner be buried when Scott would be found innocent a yr later (in their dreams)? How sick was that? It was to torture the Rocha's and nothing more.

[impartial]

whooo hooo.. there you are "impartial"..have missed your posts on other threads!

and do remind them who actually "gives/offers" immunity...it isn't the police or the defense!

Hope you had great holidays..

jmo

Jayne


Hey Jayne !!!

Happy New Year ... you should come here more often !!!

How's Spector's trial going?

[bchand]

Great questions! I am very interested to hear the answer to them.

See page 1 Dells. Post #s 30 & 32 I believe.

[Calla]

No no no! Unpopular opinion, remember? Just playing. I happen to agree with you where they were not rationally accepting her death.

We are all entitled to opinions.

Ok, ok. Domestic Goddess time.

LOL

I know if someone told me my child killed their own baby, I would not accept it without my own investigation and proof , and instinct would have you looking for every reason it could not be true.

I don't think, however, that I would hold out as long as the A's did.
Of course I raised my kids without giving them the normal 'legal' protection under the law. They were , in my mind, guilty until proven innocent, even tho I did not let them know that I did not always support them from the word 'go'.

There are plenty of moms who would refuse to believe that about their child. I have spoken with some on here. I love those posters, but in regards to other cases they honestly said they could not turn in their own child. But I would. I respect mothers' bounds of love even when I don't agree with them. That's just me.

[101Spots]

Yet many irrational people end up in legal trouble for their actions.
I say they should come clean no matter what. For Caylees Memory.
As for casey? How many circles of Hell are there in Dante's Inferno?

Clearly, not enough.

[steffaroob4]

Anyone recall which video casey told Lee about his hand analogy?

[NYGalPal]

Proof of lack of love for Caylee:

Never bothered to look for her and told others to do it.
Hide evidence, lie ..etc. for Casey
Taking money to do interviews, donations..etc.
Slamming everyone, but their daughter
Wanting immunity
No funeral plans for Caylee

:cursing:

[Calla]

Yet many irrational people end up in legal trouble for their actions.
I say they should come clean no matter what. For Caylees Memory.
As for casey? How many circles of Hell are there in Dante's Inferno?

I understand that.

What I want is the truth. Something that we will likely never get in its entirety.

I cannot take being emotionally consumed by a case this heartbreaking, so I try to keep my focus on the psychological aspects of it all...(another reason I think its too darn deep to get the real story).

I don't think real ppl will ever understand it, and those that think they do will still disagree with someone else who thinks they do.

[5boxersmom]

I can understand your frustration. But the fact is if they want Kathy Reichs to examine the remains, they will have to allow for her schedule. Then add in the whole holiday thing, and the utter incompetence of the "Dream Team", and you have a real mess. Surely you wouldn't expect them to give up a holiday party to tend to this little matter......

I know. I just wanted my mom out of there.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Same way with my Mom. Why? because we loved and respected her. There is your answer.

Remember when the Peterson's dared to request Laci and Conner be buried when Scott would be found innocent a yr later (in their dreams)? How sick was that? It was to torture the Rocha's and nothing more.

ITA. I thought I had saw it all with the Peterson's. Guess I was wrong.

[ishkabibble]

Here are my legal questions:

is it legal for baez to be the "mule" with letter passing betwenn casey and her family?

is it legal for him to continue with caylee is alive if he knew she was dead?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be in trouble for continuing to accept funds to help find her?

if the family knew she was dead, will they be responsible to pay back money LE used in their search for her?

will immunity protect the family from the above questions if they can get in trouble?

thanks if anyone can answer those.

I don't know if he is even obligated to deliver correspondence from her to her family if he feels it is not in her best interest and vice versa.
I think that was an issue Lee brought up with Casey in one of the jailhouse convos. He didn't know if Baez was giving him messages from Casey, he seemed skeptical of his motives. But at that time they were under the impression that Baez cared if Caylee was alive or dead.

[Pruddennce]

Anyone recall which video casey told Lee about his hand analogy?\
toward the end:

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEECASEY0728PT2_120420080330&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20And%20Casey%20Part%202

if you look at the word 'software' if you slide to the w, it starts around there.

best regards,
Pru

[NYGalPal]

I understand that.

What I want is the truth. Something that we will likely never get in its entirety.

I cannot take being emotionally consumed by a case this heartbreaking, so I try to keep my focus on the psychological aspects of it all...(another reason I think its too darn deep to get the real story).

I don't think real ppl will ever understand it, and those that think they do will still disagree with someone else who thinks they do.

Ok, well if you aren't sticking to the facts of this case you won't find out the truth. Your other agenda won't help you get there.

Real ppl won't understand it? What do you mean? I'm having a hard time following. I swear the last I checked we were real people. Are you not? LOL

[steffaroob4]

\
toward the end:

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEECASEY0728PT2_120420080330&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20And%20Casey%20Part%202

best regards,
Pru

Thanks, I wanted to watch it again!!!

[Cury-us Coyote]

I can understand your frustration. But the fact is if they want Kathy Reichs to examine the remains, they will have to allow for her schedule. Then add in the whole holiday thing, and the utter incompetence of the "Dream Team", and you have a real mess. Surely you wouldn't expect them to give up a holiday party to tend to this little matter......

I originally suggested K Reichs inspection was the primary defense opinion sought and allowing ample time was better than potential exhumation. IMO, sufficent time has lapsed.
jmo

[Jayne]

I think THEM already knows that it's the State that grants immunity. :rolleyes: But thanks for stopping by.


it's ok...:rolleyes:

it wasn't directed at you...and I don't think most people really do know that..but maybe you're right maybe they did...and if I thought so..I still would have posted to my "fellow poster friend". However, the one post seemed to indicate the poster wasn't sure who actually did "go for" immunity..which YES is different than granting it.


why the snide snit? Happy Holidays...be nice...I certainly was not being so...gheesh...

:)

[101Spots]

I know. I just wanted my mom out of there.

imo

I understand. My mother was cremated, and by local law, we had to wait 24 hours before she could be sent to the crematorium.
:rose:

[Calla]

guaranteed that Baez has never asked casey if she did it. Most likely said, 'do not tell me anything that will keep me from representing you. only answer what i ask'.
That's got to be the hardest thing that girl has ever done..keep her mouth shut and be forbidden to create a story.

[NYGalPal]

In all fairness, you don't know what is in their mind regarding funeral plans. I doubt its something that they care to give the public notice. I don't know if anyone here actually believes they will never lay Caylee's remains to rest. I sure don't think thats the case. I strongly believe they will hold services, when they are ready to do so, and they will do so with dignity, and love for their sweet grandaughter.You're not following this case in reality are you? Please look up dignity. Tell me where they showed Caylee that from day one? They didn't have the dignity to go look for her. When she was found dead they went to the Ritz. They would have had a decent funerial for her by now. So you can believe what you want, it will never be truthful about the Ants. :mad:

[daHawg]

I originally suggested K Reichs inspection was the primary defense opinion sought and allowing ample time was better than potential exhumation. IMO, sufficent time has lapsed.
jmo

I think they (defense team) is waiting until the 14 days is up on the Court order to turn over the photo's reports etc from the ME's autopsy and the crime scene. They made such a stink over needing them to complete their examination.

[Pruddennce]

Thanks, I wanted to watch it again!!!

your welcome. it begins around the 'w' under software, or a little before if you dont want to miss a thang :)

best regards,
Pru

[MalloryCat]

it's ok...:rolleyes:

it wasn't directed at you...and I don't think most people really do know that..but maybe you're right maybe they did...and if I thought so..I still would have posted to my "fellow poster friend". However, the one post seemed to indicate the poster wasn't sure who actually did "go for" immunity..which YES is different than granting it.


why the snide snit? Happy Holidays...be nice...I certainly was not being so...gheesh...

:)

Have a Happy New Year Jayne!

[101Spots]

guaranteed that Baez has never asked casey if she did it. Most likely said, 'do not tell me anything that will keep me from representing you. only answer what i ask'.
That's got to be the hardest thing that girl has ever done..keep her mouth shut and be forbidden to create a story.

Gives her more time to wiggle her derriere and sigh with a heaving bosom.

I really think Jose has fallen for it, too.

Moo.

[5boxersmom]

I understand. My mother was cremated, and by local law, we had to wait 24 hours before she could be sent to the crematorium.
:rose:

So was my mom. It just seemed like it took awhile for our local funeral home to go get her. She died in a hospital 50 miles away. Different county. Just had an urgency.

:rose:

[Calla]

Ok, well if you aren't sticking to the facts of this case you won't find out the truth. Your other agenda won't help you get there.

Real ppl won't understand it? What do you mean? I'm having a hard time following. I swear the last I checked we were real people. Are you not? LOL


omg so sensitive..sorry!

I meant "real" people will never understand how she could do what she is accused of doing. Do you?


you read waaay too much into what I said.

I respect your opinion and your right to read too much into what I said.:laugh:

[Jeepers]

Happy New Year to you too forensicfan.

Jumping in.. bchand I cannot find where Garrison said he would talk more about the A's to LE. Just was able to find where he was verifying the e-mail about the hairbrush and that FBI had the e-mail.
I hate when I can't find stuff. Now where did I put that brush???:thumbdown:

[NYGalPal]

Gives her more time to wiggle her derriere and sigh with a heaving bosom.

I really think Jose has fallen for it, too.

Moo.

I wouldn't put anything past Casey to get her way.

[Mimi428]

I understand that.

What I want is the truth. Something that we will likely never get in its entirety.

I cannot take being emotionally consumed by a case this heartbreaking, so I try to keep my focus on the psychological aspects of it all...(another reason I think its too darn deep to get the real story).

I don't think real ppl will ever understand it, and those that think they do will still disagree with someone else who thinks they do.

I think you are right on the money that we will never get a complete picture of who these people (the Anthonys) are, what their earlier lives were like, what happened when & how, etc. And the pathology in this family seems so utterly extreme that it is pretty compelling to wonder about, if you are interested in stuff like that.

But I disagree that things like that cannot be understood. I think they actually CAN be understood and the disagreements that may then arise about how much or how little this or that contributed to the problem doesn't mean there is no essential understanding.

I think the problems arise when people think that just because you comprehend something it means you agree with the mindset that was present in these flawed people.

Let's use the Holocaust as an example. It has been studied & analyzed by many sources for many years & I think we have a comprehensive base of information on who the major players were, what they thought, what they did, what they said. We comprehend what happened, we accept that it DID happen. Doesn't mean we embrace the beliefs of those who committed such heinous atrocities.

JMO

[NYGalPal]

omg so sensitive..sorry!

I meant "real" people will never understand how she could do what she is accused of doing. Do you?


you read waaay too much into what I said.

I respect your opinion and your right to read too much into what I said.:laugh:
I was making a joke back. I put the LOL

:lol:

[shellzbi]

Brother Lee and his investigation agency that he trusts. What is that?

Cindy, on the last LKL show Private I they have says everything Casey has told us is true!

The very next day the MR finds the bag!

Really these people think that all of us have no brain and there the only smart people out there.

No Immunity for this bunch.

[MalloryCat]

So was my mom. It just seemed like it took awhile for our local funeral home to go get her. She died in a hospital 50 miles away. Different county. Just had an urgency.

:rose:

I am sorry for your loss.
:rose:

[Cury-us Coyote]

I think they (defense team) is waiting until the 14 days is up on the Court order to turn over the photo's reports etc from the ME's autopsy and the crime scene. They made such a stink over needing them to complete their examination.

You may be right. IMO, performing the inspection before introducing outside influences/opinions is a better approach. The bag x-ray if it exist could be helpful.
jmo

[PROPROS]

ITA. I thought I had saw it all with the Peterson's. Guess I was wrong.Me too...I remember Janie Peterson saying that when she would receive a letter from Scott.....she would take it in the bedroom and HIDE!!, so she could read it all by herself! That and the "fuzzy pink bedroom slippers"...That case had it's fair share of "characters"...However, Geragos asked for and received a Gag Order and that ended some of the "gossip". In this case, the defense does not want a "gag"...so the ball just keeps on rolling! BTW, A safe and HAPPY NEW YEAR to all!mo

[happygert]

When my dad died, my mother just would NOT accept it and he was at the funeral home for two days before the service was held. I had to push her a bit to do the arrangements. I would have done the arrangements myself but my mom refused to let me do that so I had to make the appointment and pretty much tell her we were going to the funeral home. Get in the car or I will do it anyway. A bit harsh maybe but we couldn't just leave him there!

My Mom's BIL and SIL were killed in a plane crash in IDAHO. Their kids
left part of their remains in a funeral home in drawer for 7 years. finally funeral home buried them and sent the kids the bill..My mom tried to get ashes from funeral home and they wouldn't give them to her.She even worked there .

Caylee lying in this funeral home and no plans yet to bury her REALLY bothers me.. It seems to me like maybe this was the way she was treated while she was alive. Out of sight out of mind. Just shoved to the side.. VERy HEART BREAKING!

[Lavenia]

Gives her more time to wiggle her derriere and sigh with a heaving bosom.

I really think Jose has fallen for it, too.

Moo.

All of a sudden I feel like I have Harlequin Romance poisoning! :tongue:

[NYGalPal]

All of a sudden I feel like I have Harlequin Romance poisoning! :tongue:

LMAO

:lol:

[bchand]

Jumping in.. bchand I cannot find where Garrison said he would talk more about the A's to LE. Just was able to find where he was verifying the e-mail about the hairbrush and that FBI had the e-mail.
I hate when I can't find stuff. Now where did I put that brush???:thumbdown:

Ok, I was about to go learn how to convert my Sony eBooks to my new Kindle format, but I'll go look to see if I can find anything else he said.

:tongueside:

[spiritwolf46]

All of a sudden I feel like I have Harlequin Romance poisoning! :tongue:


YOU are cracking me up!!!!! LMAO! :lol:

Is Fabio on the Cover with a goosedown head warmer?

[MissouriGMom]

O/T cyottee Clean out your pm box!

[101Spots]

All of a sudden I feel like I have Harlequin Romance poisoning! :tongue:

Take two encyclopedias and call me in the morning........

[PROPROS]

You're not following this case in reality are you? Please look up dignity. Tell me where they showed Caylee that from day one? They didn't have the dignity to go look for her. When she was found dead they went to the Ritz. They would have had a decent funerial for her by now. So you can believe what you want, it will never be truthful about the Ants. :mad:ITA...I could not sleep at night knowing my "family member" was lying in a cold morgue for days and days. It is horrible that Caylee was in the morgue for Xmas and now New year. Whatever the defense needs to do, I wish they would just do it, so that childs body can be laid to rest.mo

[*MoonRider*]

Brother Lee and his investigation agency that he trusts. What is that?

Cindy, on the last LKL show Private I they have says everything Casey has told us is true!

The very next day the MR finds the bag!

Really these people think that all of us have no brain and there the only smart people out there.

No Immunity for this bunch.


I was extremely angry when I watched LKL that night. I have since watched it again and I'm even madder. George didn't seem comfortable in the lying mode IMO

[Lavenia]

Take two encyclopedias and call me in the morning........

Yesh ma'am! :blink:

[shellzbi]

I was extremely angry when I watched LKL that night. I have since watched it again and I'm even madder. George didn't seem comfortable in the lying mode IMO

Cindy is in total control.

She called all the shots.

I'm mad as well.

[NYGalPal]

ITA...I could not sleep at night knowing my "family member" was lying in a cold morgue for days and days. It is horrible that Caylee was in the morgue for Xmas and now New year. Whatever the defense needs to do, I wish they would just do it, so that childs body can be laid to rest.mo

I know, I hear you. Unfortunately, they didn't care she lay dead in a garbage bag a few miles from their home so actions are showing us they don't care she lay in a cold morgue. Doesn't that sound like love and dignity to you? <sarcasm intended>

:angry:

[MalloryCat]

ITA...I could not sleep at night knowing my "family member" was lying in a cold morgue for days and days. It is horrible that Caylee was in the morgue for Xmas and now New year. Whatever the defense needs to do, I wish they would just do it, so that childs body can be laid to rest.mo

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty

[*MoonRider*]

Cindy is in total control.

She called all the shots.

I'm mad as well.

Every time they got a tough question Cindy chimed in about a new sighting. Caylee was in California then she was spotted in Tennessee. I for one am so thankful that Cayleee was found as unfortunate as her resting place was. Can you imagine if she were never found? George & Cindy would going on and on for years. JMO

[destiny1]

I know, I hear you. Unfortunately, they didn't care she lay dead in a garbage bag a few miles from their home so actions are showing us they don't care she lay in a cold morgue. Doesn't that sound like love and dignity to you? <sarcasm intended>

:angry:

sarcasm accepted.

If that's love, I certainly don't want any.

[Calla]

I think you are right on the money that we will never get a complete picture of who these people (the Anthonys) are, what their earlier lives were like, what happened when & how, etc. And the pathology in this family seems so utterly extreme that it is pretty compelling to wonder about, if you are interested in stuff like that.

But I disagree that things like that cannot be understood. I think they actually CAN be understood and the disagreements that may then arise about how much or how little this or that contributed to the problem doesn't mean there is no essential understanding.

I think the problems arise when people think that just because you comprehend something it means you agree with the mindset that was present in these flawed people.

Let's use the Holocaust as an example. It has been studied & analyzed by many sources for many years & I think we have a comprehensive base of information on who the major players were, what they thought, what they did, what they said. We comprehend what happened, we accept that it DID happen. Doesn't mean we embrace the beliefs of those who committed such heinous atrocities.

JMO


There you go..
you said " think we have a comprehensive base of information on who the major players were, what they thought, what they did, what they said. We comprehend what happened, we accept that it DID happen. Doesn't mean we embrace the beliefs of those who committed such heinous atrocities."

But as a 'real' person (LOL)...

I can never understand how they could do what they did. I believe they did it, had their reasons, and believed their reasons were justifiable but will never graps the how they could do such a thing...just as I can never grasp how casey anthony could do such a thing...which is why I am not a criminal.

People can disagree on what she did, how she did it, when she did it..but the reasons that are tossed around as to why she did it are totally warped. So many have said , she could have given the baby to her parents, adoption, a stranger. That's the point. A real, rational person would have. Jealousy, anger, and any other reason can be assigned to her crime, but it still is beyond rationalization.

great post ..but i still can't understand and i'm just keepin it 'real'.


Since being questioned as to whether I am real person or not, the word "real' has become important to me and i have begun to think about pinnochio.:tongue:

[destiny1]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty
Yes. You have a point there Mallory.


Happy New Year.

[floridamom]

I just read all the emails from CA brother to her....I feel for him and his mother. He begged her to see through Casey's lies and she didn't. Casey showed up at his wedding 7 months preg. and told them she had never had sex and was not pg. Her mom is a nurse!!!!!!! That is a perfect example of how blind CA is when it comes to Casey!!!!

[bchand]

Jumping in.. bchand I cannot find where Garrison said he would talk more about the A's to LE. Just was able to find where he was verifying the e-mail about the hairbrush and that FBI had the e-mail.
I hate when I can't find stuff. Now where did I put that brush???:thumbdown:

I haven't found that yet either (about talking to LE). So far, here's his statement:

Statement From Larry Garrison

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by The Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson. It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations, that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior. I wish them all the peace and resolution they so deserve. The truth always comes out in the end, and in this case "The truth is better than the spin."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17965576/detail.html

I don't know if that's a threat or not?

Still looking.


eta: Here's Larry's email to WFTV where he says he will talk to LE.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

[daHawg]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty

But didn't Casey sign over her rights to have Caylee's remains released to her parents? That in itself gives them the right to make the arrangements however I do believe that her "Defense Team" has convinced the A's that they need the reports and pics from the state before they can proceed and seeing how the A's are standing behind their daughter I can see them granting the defenses wishes.

[NYGalPal]

sarcasm accepted.

If that's love, I certainly don't want any.

Me neither.

[5boxersmom]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?

[shellzbi]

Every time they got a tough question Cindy chimed in about a new sighting. Caylee was in California then she was spotted in Tennessee. I for one am so thankful that Cayleee was found as unfortunate as her resting place was. Can you imagine if she were never found? George & Cindy would going on and on for years. JMO

I agree.

The truth will come out.

No more lies!

[MalloryCat]

Yes. You have a point there Mallory.


Happy New Year.

Happy New Year!!

:rose:

[Loves2Read]

Do you really think that PPOF has not created a story for Baez? and why do you think keeping her mouth shut would be that hard for her?

I don't think that keeping her mouth shut has been the real sacrifice here. IMO I think it might be... how do I put this delicately? Lets just say the absence of male companionship......

[RiverWalk]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty

Casey already signed the papers to turn her body over to the Funeral Home for burial/cremation.

http://www.news-press.com/article/20081224/CRIME/81224052/1075

It IS up to the GPs NOW. IMO

[Lavenia]

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?

I, too, read on a news site that she signed Caylee's remains over to her folks.

[NYGalPal]

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?

You are correct. She is in the hands of the Ant's now since Casey is in jail and isn't getting out anytime soon.

[Jeepers]

My Mom's BIL and SIL were killed in a plane crash in IDAHO. Their kids
left part of their remains in a funeral home in drawer for 7 years. finally funeral home buried them and sent the kids the bill..My mom tried to get ashes from funeral home and they wouldn't give them to her.She even worked there .

Caylee lying in this funeral home and no plans yet to bury her REALLY bothers me.. It seems to me like maybe this was the way she was treated while she was alive. Out of sight out of mind. Just shoved to the side.. VERy HEART BREAKING!

Sorry to hear about family members, I bet that really upset your mom, knowing she would like to do something but legally could not.
I just don't like funeral homes too cold and sterile and I don't like the smell of carnations either. They always remind me of funerals. My quirk.
I just wish that they would have a nice quiet service for Caylee. They don't need to share any of the details with the public just annouce maybe it was performed the end. It is Heat breaking knowing a loved one is there and not being tended to in what I deem a respectful manner. JMO

[*MoonRider*]

I just read all the emails from CA brother to her....I feel for him and his mother. He begged her to see through Casey's lies and she didn't. Casey showed up at his wedding 7 months preg. and told them she had never had sex and was not pg. Her mom is a nurse!!!!!!! That is a perfect example of how blind CA is when it comes to Casey!!!!

I hope Cindy can heal the family wounds for the new year. It is always a loved one who will tell you the hard truth. Cindy wouldn't listen and decided to choose new friends (Milstead's) over her own family. Very sad. IMO

[Calla]

My Mom's BIL and SIL were killed in a plane crash in IDAHO. Their kids
left part of their remains in a funeral home in drawer for 7 years. finally funeral home buried them and sent the kids the bill..My mom tried to get ashes from funeral home and they wouldn't give them to her.She even worked there .

Caylee lying in this funeral home and no plans yet to bury her REALLY bothers me.. It seems to me like maybe this was the way she was treated while she was alive. Out of sight out of mind. Just shoved to the side.. VERy HEART BREAKING!


How sad and how sad for caylee.

wonder if that crash was over 30 yrs ago? i knew a gal killed in a crash in idaho (i think) ..maybe it was iowa

[RiverWalk]

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?

She did. More excuses by the GPs. IMO.

[Lavenia]

Is that what it is? Is there an anecdote for that?

:loveeyes:

:wink::wink:

[MalloryCat]

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?

Well, you would assume the burial is being held up because they want a second autopsy, which they do. So maybe its just better to have her in the funeral home and not the ME office, I mean she is released by the state because they are done with her body. And funeral plans have to be made and carried out by someone.

jmo

[Lavenia]

Well, you would assume the burial is being held up because they want a second autopsy, which they do. So maybe its just better to have her in the funeral home and not the ME office, I mean she is released by the state because they are done with her body. And funeral plans have to be made and carried out by someone.

jmo

I thought EVERYONE was finished with autopsies, etc. and her remains are just awaiting a service? :shrug:

[PROPROS]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

tyOK....She is Casey's child. But, Casey "can't do anything from where she is at". Haven't we heard that(from Caseys own mouth). What would it hurt for The Anthony's to press the issue (with Casey) to have Caylee buried/cremated soon. I know...your going to say we have no proof that they haven't! Well, IMO, Caylee has been (in the morgue) long enough. Time for someone in that family to take charge and have that poor child's body buried or cremated.mo

[destiny1]

I thought she signed it over to her parents? If not then why is the Anthony's attorney talking about the funeral plans?
I thought that at this point in time Casey or her defense team still had custody because of the so called second autopsy request. after that, then a funeral.

This is really disgusting. I blame the esteemed MR baez and his ilk.

[shellzbi]

Caylee , being put to her final resting place would be a priority for me. IMO

[NYGalPal]

Time to get ready for the New Year celebrations. Hope you all having something fun planned.

Happy New Year to you!

Cheers!

:beer:

[MalloryCat]

I thought EVERYONE was finished with autopsies, etc. and her remains are just awaiting a service? :shrug:

NO, Caseys team is doing a 2nd, there has only been one, so therefore its Casey who is holding this up, via autopsy, when she already knows what happened to the girl, she could just come clean and let her be buried and spare another prodding of the bones, but what does she care?

jmo

[WinnieLeigh7]

I thought EVERYONE was finished with autopsies, etc. and her remains are just awaiting a service? :shrug:

I don't know the situation as far as if both sides have had a chance to autopsy or not...

BUT I can imagine that it's a possibility at least...that while we all think the remains are just sitting there that a "private" service could be conducted.

[MalloryCat]

OK....She is Casey's child. But, Casey "can't do anything from where she is at". Haven't we heard that(from Caseys own mouth). What would it hurt for The Anthony's to press the issue (with Casey) to have Caylee buried/cremated soon. I know...your going to say we have no proof that they haven't! Well, IMO, Caylee has been (in the morgue) long enough. Time for someone in that family to take charge and have that poor child's body buried or cremated.mo


Casey said that pertaining to help finding her, as she couldnt because she was in jail, that had nothing to do with this.

[happygert]

Based on all the pictures we have seen of little Caylee, she certainly looked well cared for, and quite happy and engaged.
I'm sure she will be buried/cremated in due time.

When do you think DUE TIME will be? Due time for one she should have never been MURDERED! Due time would have been from natural cases, perhaps old age......NOT being MURDERED AT THE RIPE AGE OF 2 years old and left to rot and be eaten by animals. DUE TIME ? BUT since her MOTHER CHOSE TO MURDER HER DUE TIME SHOULD HAVE BEEN 6 and 1/2 months ago! So whats your due time? 2nd Tuesday of NEVER!
:flamemad:
:cursing:

[PROPROS]

I just read all the emails from CA brother to her....I feel for him and his mother. He begged her to see through Casey's lies and she didn't. Casey showed up at his wedding 7 months preg. and told them she had never had sex and was not pg. Her mom is a nurse!!!!!!! That is a perfect example of how blind CA is when it comes to Casey!!!!I wonder if Cindy is making good on her threat to never speak to her brother again.mo

[3Monkeys]

LOL

I know if someone told me my child killed their own baby, I would not accept it without my own investigation and proof , and instinct would have you looking for every reason it could not be true.

I don't think, however, that I would hold out as long as the A's did.

VERY well put, Calla. That's exactly how I feel.

[dgfred]

Well they have to do a 2nd autopsy, or at least pour through the ME's
report. They have to hope to find something missed or done improperly,
that is one of their few chances to cloud what actually happened.

[smileyjoe]

Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have someone you don't even know, dictate how and when you should deal with the remains of a loved one. The Anthony's must feel completely devastated, and then to have to hear this type of stuff... its just so sad.


They only hear it if they choose to read it, imo.

:cool:

[Loves2Read]

ITA. I found it particularly annoying that their incessent yacking was about how much experience they all have in interviewing suspects, how they always solve the crime, that they have a kazillion years of combined LE expertise...blah blah blah. If they wern't so busy tooting their own horn, Casey might have gotton a word in edgewise.

I don't like criticizing LE but IMO, they blew a golden opportunity to draw more info out of Casey.


We are only hearing what they said. We cannot SEE what was going on in that room. Body language says so much that we only have half the picture here. IMO

You are really kidding yourself if you think for one second that she was going to tell them anything other than what she wanted them to know! She was going to lie lie lie lie and then just for good measure lie a little more. How brazen was it of her to continue her I got my cell from my job and oh I left it on the desk and it was gone! And this was AFTER she admitted that she was lying about the job in the first place.

[Calla]

Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have someone you don't even know, dictate how and when you should deal with the remains of a loved one. The Anthony's must feel completely devastated, and then to have to hear this type of stuff... its just so sad.

I tend to agree with you.

I have talked with my children in regards to my or their fathers' death.
IMO do what you want with the dust and do it when you want.
A memorial service is for my kids sakes and no one else's...so if it takes a year to do it, do it in your own time. Me or their dad will be long gone to a better home.

[Jeepers]

I haven't found that yet either (about talking to LE). So far, here's his statement:

Statement From Larry Garrison

"Due to the erratic behavior over the last several months exhibited by The Anthony family, Larry Garrison is resigning as their spokesperson. It is my opinion that others have manipulated them into situations, that would not dignify the family. I can no longer be part of that behavior. I wish them all the peace and resolution they so deserve. The truth always comes out in the end, and in this case "The truth is better than the spin."

http://www.wesh.com/news/17965576/detail.html

I don't know if that's a threat or not?

Still looking.


eta: Here's Larry's email to WFTV where he says he will talk to LE.

http://www.wftv.com/news/18145599/detail.html

Thank you for finding that. I took that as a threat. That would be an interesting read to see what he has to say. Thank you again.
Now go play with your Sony eBook! then tell me how you like it.

[MalloryCat]

Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have someone you don't even know, dictate how and when you should deal with the remains of a loved one. The Anthony's must feel completely devastated, and then to have to hear this type of stuff... its just so sad.

I would never want to be in their shoes, ever.

[Lavenia]

NO, Caseys team is doing a 2nd, there has only been one, so therefore its Casey who is holding this up, via autopsy, when she already knows what happened to the girl, she could just come clean and let her be buried and spare another prodding of the bones, but what does she care?

jmo

Gee, I thought that had been DONE! That's ridiculous, IMO.

[PROPROS]

Caylee , being put to her final resting place would be a priority for me. IMOMe too....But, I guess Casey's defense is more of a priority. After all, like Casey stated in the jail visit"I'm still here"mo

[Loves2Read]

When do you think DUE TIME will be? Due time for one she should have never been MURDERED! Due time would have been from natural cases, perhaps old age......NOT being MURDERED AT THE RIPE AGE OF 2 years old and left to rot and be eaten by animals. DUE TIME ? BUT since her MOTHER CHOSE TO MURDER HER DUE TIME SHOULD HAVE BEEN 6 and 1/2 months ago! So whats your due time? 2nd Tuesday of NEVER!
:flamemad:
:cursing:

Well put....

[MalloryCat]

It doesn't matter when you or I, or anyone else, thinks it should happen. That decision is up to her family members, not us. I feel it will occur at a time the Anthony's feel it is appropriate. And thats good enough for me.

As long as they dont leave her a drawer for 7 years, I am ok with it.

jmo

[koawally]

I, too, read on a news site that she signed Caylee's remains over to her folks.

Perhaps it was signed with conditions:blink:

[Calla]

VERY well put, Calla. That's exactly how I feel.

:huh: someone agreed with me.

well thank you very much :wink:

[smileyjoe]

Me too....But, I guess Casey's defense is more of a priority. After all, like Casey stated in the jail visit"I'm still here"mo

And that statement has a whole new perspective now, huh?

:mad:

[MalloryCat]

Gee, I thought that had been DONE! That's ridiculous, IMO.

Yes, it is, considering Casey knows what exactly happened.

[PROPROS]

Time to get ready for the New Year celebrations. Hope you all having something fun planned.

Happy New Year to you!

Cheers!

:beer:Happy New Year! New York is a great place to be on New Year's Eve!mo

[martha]

I wish for one day I could get this case of of my mind but just the fact that casey did not tell anyone caylee was missing for 31 days it awful.the fact she drove around with caylee dead in the trunk of the car just breaks my heart. I know caylee is ok now. she is in a better place. I will never understand a person like casey. never in my wildest thoughts will I understand this girl.I hope if she is the one that did this she don;t ever get out of prison. i wish she would be put there and forgot about. Just like susan smith I hope she never gets out. I can still see those two pretty boys in my mind to this day.jmho

[kitty1182]

NO, Caseys team is doing a 2nd, there has only been one, so therefore its Casey who is holding this up, via autopsy, when she already knows what happened to the girl, she could just come clean and let her be buried and spare another prodding of the bones, but what does she care?

jmo



She doesn't:cursing:

[Calla]

Happy- breathe honey, breathe. it's all going to be ok- ITA with you but having a mini stroke is not going to help us here. :scared:



:lol: gotta lighten up.

such a cute calming reply.

[shellzbi]

I wish for one day I could get this case of of my mind but just the fact that casey did not tell anyone caylee was missing for 31 days it awful.the fact she drove around with caylee dead in the trunk of the car just breaks my heart. I know caylee is ok now. she is in a better place. I will never understand a person like casey. never in my wildest thoughts will I understand this girl.I hope if she is the one that did this she don;t ever get out of prison. i wish she would be put there and forgot about. Just like susan smith I hope she never gets out. I can still see those two pretty boys in my mind to this day.jmho

Justice will come for Caylee.

It's sad that the person a child trust's the most let her down.

Casey will get her just desserts. IMO.

[MalloryCat]

She doesn't:cursing:

Oh Kitty, I would fully expect Casey to pull some shizz right now and her saying via Baez, Caylees body will remain in the funeral home until Casey is acquitted and can give her the burial she can attend, I would NOT put that past her.

[PROPROS]

Casey said that pertaining to help finding her, as she couldnt because she was in jail, that had nothing to do with this.Yes, I know what it was pertaining to. However, what can she do...nothing....It's up to The Anthony's to arrange the funeral.mo

[shellzbi]

Oh Kitty, I would fully expect Casey to pull some shizz right now and her saying via Baez, Caylees body will remain in the funeral home until Casey is acquitted and can give her the burial she can attend, I would NOT put that past her.

I really hope that is not the case. I would not put it past her.

[??WHATthe??]

Based on all the pictures we have seen of little Caylee, she certainly looked well cared for, and quite happy and engaged.
I'm sure she will be buried/cremated in due time.

In due time huh..

And a word of truth here... "IF" Caylee was well cared for she wouldn't be dead right now... and just stop and think a moment about that happy engaging face you speak of... it was there for you to view via video the day before they think she died... It was there and she didn't know she was going to be murdered...

In due time huh... a slap in the face to a little that laid in a bag to rot.:cursing:

[Katt2]

Yes it is. What is taking so long for the second autopsy? When were the remains released? Dec. 22? They probably won't even do a second autopsy.

When my mom died I hated thinking of her being in the morgue or the funeral home. I wanted her put to rest as soon as possible. Maybe others don't feel the way I do but it really bothered me.

I suppose they could be waiting on someone to come in from out of state to view the remains and it has been holiday time.
But I can't imagine what Baez would be looking for. It sure wouldn't be to his advantage for an ME to find physical trauma that could have been humanly induced.
It hurts my heart to think of her tiny bones being scattered all over and painstakingly collected.

[happygert]

Casey said that pertaining to help finding her, as she couldnt because she was in jail, that had nothing to do with this.

Why did she need to help find her? She knew EXACTLY where she THREW HER AWAY LIKE GARBAGE! TO ROT! ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS TELL!!!

[Dells]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty

Yep, that is true. I also think that the defense has not yet done the second autopsy, so until that takes place the Anthony's cannot have a funeral service for Caylee. I am sure that it is something that they would like to do as soon as they are able to.

[MalloryCat]

Yes, I know what it was pertaining to. However, what can she do...nothing....It's up to The Anthony's to arrange the funeral.mo

Yes, but its Casey who is holding this up, because she needs her people to autopsy Caylee, that has nothing to do with the Anthonys. Or would you rather them bury her, and then have to be exhumed a few days later?

[BobbisAngel]

Sorry to hear about family members, I bet that really upset your mom, knowing she would like to do something but legally could not.
I just don't like funeral homes too cold and sterile and I don't like the smell of carnations either. They always remind me of funerals. My quirk.
I just wish that they would have a nice quiet service for Caylee. They don't need to share any of the details with the public just annouce maybe it was performed the end. It is Heat breaking knowing a loved one is there and not being tended to in what I deem a respectful manner. JMO


I'm with you. I can't stand the smell of carnations and also of some other flowers. I've always said that they remind me of a funeral.

When there has been a homocide everything moves really slowly. Some bodies aren't returned to the relatives for ages or until LE is done with them months later.

Casey's attorneys are the holdup here. They want to exam the bones. What for I have no idea. I suppose to look for knife cuts or whatever. But until they get in there and do what they have been whining to do the body won't be released. Why the defense didn't go in right behind the Pros is beyond me. How long could it take to look over a few little bones! All defense attorneys have the bad habit of dragging their feet over every little thing. Maybe they are waiting until Baden, Henry Lee and who knows who are all free to come and take a look.

[spiritwolf46]

Who is next of kin? Casey. It is CASEYS choice to have her defense team pick over the bones, not the Anthonys, so once again, lets try to put blame where it goes and talk about how Casey seems to be ok with letting Caylee lay there, knowing how she died.

ty


Brad Conway, attorney for George and Cindy Anthony, said an autopsy will be done by defense experts after the medical examiner releases the remains. Then the grandparents will decide how to proceed with a memorial, Conway told WESH.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/caylee-anthonys.html

[*MoonRider*]

Time to get ready for the New Year celebrations. Hope you all having something fun planned.

Happy New Year to you!

Cheers!

:beer:

Happy New Year to all. Leaving on boat for the last sunset of the year. I'll be back later. Be nice.

[Dells]

Do you really think that PPOF has not created a story for Baez? and why do you think keeping her mouth shut would be that hard for her?

I think Casey has stuck w/the nanny story the entire time to both her family and her lawyers. I don't think she admitted to anybody that she has anything to do w/Caylee's disappearance and death. I am sure that they all have their own suspicions though...

[happygert]

Sorry to hear about family members, I bet that really upset your mom, knowing she would like to do something but legally could not.
I just don't like funeral homes too cold and sterile and I don't like the smell of carnations either. They always remind me of funerals. My quirk.
I just wish that they would have a nice quiet service for Caylee. They don't need to share any of the details with the public just annouce maybe it was performed the end. It is Heat breaking knowing a loved one is there and not being tended to in what I deem a respectful manner. JMO

It did. I don't like them either.. I really donn't see them giving Caylee any respect at all.mo

[shellzbi]

Happy New Year to all. Leaving on boat for the last sunset of the year. I'll be back later. Be nice.


Enjoy!

Happy New Year!

[MalloryCat]

Or if they decide on cremation, it would be impossible.

Great point.....

[Pebbles]

LOL

I know if someone told me my child killed their own baby, I would not accept it without my own investigation and proof , and instinct would have you looking for every reason it could not be true.

I don't think, however, that I would hold out as long as the A's did.
Of course I raised my kids without giving them the normal 'legal' protection under the law. They were , in my mind, guilty until proven innocent, even tho I did not let them know that I did not always support them from the word 'go'.

There are plenty of moms who would refuse to believe that about their child. I have spoken with some on here. I love those posters, but in regards to other cases they honestly said they could not turn in their own child. But I would. I respect mothers' bounds of love even when I don't agree with them. That's just me.

Very well said. My husband and I raised our children the same way! They are all adults now, but did give us some "moments" during the child raising years, they were always told they had to accept responsibility for their actions, because that is how it is in the real world. Our children were also, guilty until proven innocent, we must of done something right because our grandchildren have all been raised the same way.

[Lavenia]

I wish for one day I could get this case of of my mind but just the fact that casey did not tell anyone caylee was missing for 31 days it awful.the fact she drove around with caylee dead in the trunk of the car just breaks my heart. I know caylee is ok now. she is in a better place. I will never understand a person like casey. never in my wildest thoughts will I understand this girl.I hope if she is the one that did this she don;t ever get out of prison. i wish she would be put there and forgot about. Just like susan smith I hope she never gets out. I can still see those two pretty boys in my mind to this day.jmho

It's hard to wrap your mind around such aberrations of motherhood isn't it?

I hope you have a happy and safe New Year, Martha!

[happygert]

It doesn't matter when you or I, or anyone else, thinks it should happen. That decision is up to her family members, not us. I feel it will occur at a time the Anthony's feel it is appropriate. And thats good enough for me.

Casey's animals got more of a proper burial then casey gave her own Daughter..Casey didn't throw them away in a garbage bag to rot and left for the other animals to eat

[shellzbi]

I think Casey has stuck w/the nanny story the entire time to both her family and her lawyers. I don't think she admitted to anybody that she has anything to do w/Caylee's disappearance and death. I am sure that they all have their own suspicions though...


Your right, from where Casey is sitting she is a victim in all of this.

The Nanny did it.

That's all she's got.

What a pathetic creature. IMO.

[Dells]

Oh Kitty, I would fully expect Casey to pull some shizz right now and her saying via Baez, Caylees body will remain in the funeral home until Casey is acquitted and can give her the burial she can attend, I would NOT put that past her.

That would be terrible if she did that, but I wouldn't put it past her either.:crying:

[??WHATthe??]

Casey's animals got more of a proper burial then casey gave her own Daughter..Casey didn't throw them away in a garbage bag to rot and left for the other animals to eat

Yeah... and that's okay with that poster...:blink:

barf

[Lavenia]

Perhaps it was signed with conditions:blink:

She would if it would benefit her, that's for sure.:mad:

[Ladyhawk]

I never said Casey would be truthful. Of course she would have lied her azz off. Nonetheless, it would have been more ammunition to portray who the real Casey is in a court of law. In addition, imo she royally screwed up when she mentioned the call with Caylee the day before and that Caylee had her "book" which Casey proclaimed was shown in a family video (Fathers Day). The same book that was alledgedly found with Caylee's remains.

When did she proclaim the book to be the same book shown in a family video? IRRC when Casey gave her statement of lies, LE was not yet aware of the assisted living video of the fathers day visit.

[PROPROS]

Yes, but its Casey who is holding this up, because she needs her people to autopsy Caylee, that has nothing to do with the Anthonys. Or would you rather them bury her, and then have to be exhumed a few days later?NO.......It is no longer Casey holding this up....This decision is now in the hands of The Anthonys. If The Anthonys were not so intent on "protecting" Casey and "defending" her,there would be no need for "her people" to conduct another autopsy. mo

[happygert]

Happy- breathe honey, breathe. it's all going to be ok- ITA with you but having a mini stroke is not going to help us here. :scared:

Sorry for venting.....But it just makes me so mad..Very heart breaking that they are thinking more about how much trouble they are in and wanting immunity instead of thinking about Baby Caylee.
I'm going to have to get off here for awhile..im :flamemad:

[Dells]

Casey's animals got more of a proper burial then casey gave her own Daughter..Casey didn't throw them away in a garbage bag to rot and left for the other animals to eat

That is so sad and yet so true all at the same time. It is just heartbreaking to me how her mother just threw her out there like she was trash.:crying:

[Loves2Read]

I never said Casey would be truthful. Of course she would have lied her azz off. Nonetheless, it would have been more ammunition to portray who the real Casey is in a court of law. In addition, imo she royally screwed up when she mentioned the call with Caylee the day before and that Caylee had her "book" which Casey proclaimed was shown in a family video (Fathers Day). The same book that was alledgedly found with Caylee's remains.

IMO More lies wouldn't have helped anything. She has told more than enough to convince pretty much everybody that "Miss Anthony and the truth are strangers".

ITA She did make a big mistake with the ~ I talked to Caylee just the other day ~ bit. Just goes to show how little she thinks in general.

[??WHATthe??]

I'm sorry. I thought it was suggested that we snip posts in order to save the bandwith. I could be mistaken though. I didn't mean to upset anyone.

I'm sure you didn't... :glare:

[MalloryCat]

NO.......It is no longer Casey holding this up....This decision is now in the hands of The Anthonys. If The Anthonys were not so intent on "protecting" Casey and "defending" her,there would be no need for "her people" to conduct another autopsy. mo

No, you are wrong. I am not sure you understand how this works.

Casey gave birth to Caylee, thats her mother.

There is no father on record, so that does not factor in here.

Casey has the say so, can you show me documentation where Casey has signed the body to her parents, you would think in the land of the Sunshine law it would be on the internet by now, and it isn't, so I will spare your search.

They have to autopsy her body again, that is what is going to happen. Caylee, was found around the holiday season, and its almost over, I would expect an autopsy in the next day or two, people have plans, and families, after that a private service can happen in a matter of hours.

[happygert]

Yeah... and that's okay with that poster...:blink:

barf

Exactly!!:mad:

[shellzbi]

Sorry for venting.....But it just makes me so mad..Very heart breaking that they are thinking more about how much trouble they are in and wanting immunity instead of thinking about Baby Caylee.
I'm going to have to get off here for awhile..im :flamemad:


Happy New Year Happy,

This case has gotten to me.

The behavior of the family.

Caylee what can I say.

Just to sad.

I gotta get off this board for a little while myself. Be Well.

[kitty1182]

Oh Kitty, I would fully expect Casey to pull some shizz right now and her saying via Baez, Caylees body will remain in the funeral home until Casey is acquitted and can give her the burial she can attend, I would NOT put that past her.



I pray she doesn't do that...Even her lawyer should tell her NOT to do that...Like you said, I don't put anything past her.....
She has a lot of answering to do when her time comes to face her Maker..
That will be one time she will speak up!

[happygert]

That is so sad and yet so true all at the same time. It is just heartbreaking to me how her mother just threw her out there like she was trash.:crying:

Very Heart breaking..

[Dells]

Your right, from where Casey is sitting she is a victim in all of this.

The Nanny did it.

That's all she's got.

What a pathetic creature. IMO.

Yep, and part of me has to wonder if Baez did try to persuade her in the beginning to take some type of plea deal. As incompetent as he seems at times, I wouldn't put it past Casey never wanting to admit that she had anything to do w/Caylee's murder. So he never really had a choice except to go w/the ridiculous nanny story. Even when that could mean the DP/LWOP vs. spending a few years in prison. Thus, I think once she had come up w/the nanny did it story that is all she ever admitted to anybody.

[happygert]

Happy New Year Happy,

This case has gotten to me.

The behavior of the family.

Caylee what can I say.

Just to sad.

I gotta get off this board for a little while myself. Be Well.

Happy New Year Be Safe...

Yes its very sad case here . Really emotional for me.. Going after My Grandson..

[kitty1182]

Very Heart breaking..



Yes it is:sad:

When I had to bury my two dogs, I didn't even put them in a trash bag.

[catdoc]

I mostly worry that Casey will be convicted but get something less than the DP (my choice,but will never happen) or LWOP. Susan Smith was guilty of 2 counts of child murder and got life WITH PAROLE. She is eligible for parole in 2024 at the age of 53. She might not can reproduce but can certainly have a nice long life on the outside. No child killer,but especially a mother, should ever get out. Susan's Ex and his family were very disappointed in the sentence.http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Smith

[darcie]

Can you imagine how horrible it would be to have someone you don't even know, dictate how and when you should deal with the remains of a loved one. The Anthony's must feel completely devastated, and then to have to hear this type of stuff... its just so sad.

If the Anthony's are listening to us on a message board, then they are more messed up than I ever thought. They surely have the "who cares what they think, say?" attitude by NOW.
I would have shunned the message board crowd and all their opinions from the get-go. ESPECIALLY, if what I said, and what I was doing, do, was right in my eyes. I always figured a person NEVER had to defend the truth, only lies.
Just me expressing my own opinion.

[Jeepers]

Why did she need to help find her? She knew EXACTLY where she THREW HER AWAY LIKE GARBAGE! TO ROT! ALL SHE HAD TO DO WAS TELL!!!

Yep, she could have just pointed up the street around the corner bout 15 doors from your house Mom. She could have done all that before LE arrived. No media, No Lenny, No NG, No circus
No name calling, "NO DONATIONS" whooa stop the bus! back up what do you mean NO DONATIONS! It was that simple to stop this before it started.

[spiritwolf46]

HAPPY NEW YEAR PEEPS!!!! Granddaughter is herre and going to spend it with her! Night all!!!! Be safe!!!!!

[shellzbi]

Yep, and part of me has to wonder if Baez did try to persuade her in the beginning to take some type of plea deal. As incompetent as he seems at times, I wouldn't put it past Casey never wanting to admit that she had anything to do w/Caylee's murder. So he never really had a choice except to go w/the ridiculous nanny story. Even when that could mean the DP/LWOP vs. spending a few years in prison. Thus, I think once she had come up w/the nanny did it story that is all she ever admitted to anybody.

Baez I'm sure talked a plea. Heck I'm sure he has never tried a murder case before let alone such a high profile case. He's still learning his way around the courthouse. IMO.

[Ladyhawk]

We are only hearing what they said. We cannot SEE what was going on in that room. Body language says so much that we only have half the picture here. IMO

You are really kidding yourself if you think for one second that she was going to tell them anything other than what she wanted them to know! She was going to lie lie lie lie and then just for good measure lie a little more. How brazen was it of her to continue her I got my cell from my job and oh I left it on the desk and it was gone! And this was AFTER she admitted that she was lying about the job in the first place.

It's really too bad that we don't have video to go with the sound for that interview. I would like to see her demeanor while talking to these two detectives and how different it is from when she's talking to her parents or her brother. I wonder how an interview by a female detective would have gone.....

[DeeN]

Good Updates here.... I did not realize that they went there due to tips from Kiomarie. I still find it very questionable as to why both PI's working for the Anthony family went to this site, ONLY, to video tape it.

Bet LE does too!

http://www.wftv.com/news/18388517/detail.html

[shelbar53]

casey has a few more hours to keep her title of MOTHER OF THE YEAR. I guess she will try for cell mate of the year for 2009.

[PROPROS]

No, you are wrong. I am not sure you understand how this works.

Casey gave birth to Caylee, thats her mother.

There is no father on record, so that does not factor in here.

Casey has the say so, can you show me documentation where Casey has signed the body to her parents, you would think in the land of the Sunshine law it would be on the internet by now, and it isn't, so I will spare your search.

They have to autopsy her body again, that is what is going to happen. Caylee, was found around the holiday season, and its almost over, I would expect an autopsy in the next day or two, people have plans, and families, after that a private service can happen in a matter of hours.I don't need you to tell me how this works...I have been on these boards for many years and I'm not about to get banned over "fighting" with you....If, I want to argue...I can do it with my DH...BTW, I wonder how much you would support The Anthonys if all their actions "helped" get a "not guilty" verdict for Casey.For the sake of both of us...I'll put you on iggy and if you choose,you can do the same. Happy New Year.mo

[Calla]

I expect , as other posters have pointed out, that at some point we will hear of Casey's trauma and her MPD and how Zanny is an alter ego.

Don't you?

[Lavenia]

HAPPY NEW YEAR PEEPS!!!! Granddaughter is herre and going to spend it with her! Night all!!!! Be safe!!!!!

Happy New Year Spirit!

[MalloryCat]

I don't need you to tell me how this works...I have been on these boards for many years and I'm not about to get banned over "fighting" with you....If, I want to argue...I can do it with my DH...BTW, I wonder how much you would support The Anthonys if all their actions "helped" get a "not guilty" verdict for Casey.For the sake of both of us...I'll put you on iggy and if you choose,you can do the same. Happy New Year.mo

:rose: Happy New Year!!!! :rose:

[Lavenia]

I expect , as other posters have pointed out, that at some point we will hear of Casey's trauma and her MPD and how Zanny is an alter ego.

Don't you?

She doesn't even have ONE personality much less several. Good luck on that Casey.

[smileyjoe]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474746,00.html



Cindy and George Anthony have said they plan a private memorial and funeral for their granddaughter and have no plans to visit their daughter in an Orange County jail. Investigators told the Sentinel that further questioning of the Anthonys would wait until after the funeral.

So, it is a waiting game.

:thumbdown:

[rj1212]

Sorry for venting.....But it just makes me so mad..Very heart breaking that they are thinking more about how much trouble they are in and wanting immunity instead of thinking about Baby Caylee.
I'm going to have to get off here for awhile..im :flamemad:

I'm mad too...and while I sincerely respect the opinions of other posters over the past several weeks/months, I'm wanting to know where all of those posters were that seemed to think that Cindy and George along with Lee were simply innocent victims in all of this...nevermind their statements and actions. Instead, the chalice of "denial" was hoisted in our faces as if it were permissible to tell outright lie after lie about Casey, the smell, the club pics, etc...

I know that denial of some sort is normal but most of us recognized that this WAS DIFFERENT within days of the story breaking.

I suspect that some posters are here now, under different names...
I'd like to hear a logical defense or explanation regarding the behavior of the Anthony's NOW, in light of everything coming out...

Where's your defense?

[I'mRight]

Yep, and part of me has to wonder if Baez did try to persuade her in the beginning to take some type of plea deal. As incompetent as he seems at times, I wouldn't put it past Casey never wanting to admit that she had anything to do w/Caylee's murder. So he never really had a choice except to go w/the ridiculous nanny story. Even when that could mean the DP/LWOP vs. spending a few years in prison. Thus, I think once she had come up w/the nanny did it story that is all she ever admitted to anybody.

It's Baez's responsiblility as her lawyer to shatter her delusions and he failed to do that. He should have pushed until she realized that the best option was a plea deal. Or it is possible that he is THAT dumb and fell for her lies. I think in terms of justice for Caylee, this Baez/Casey coming together was the perfect combination. I'm pretty sure that most other lawyers would have broke her and made a plea deal. Casey has a very big 31 day problem that no jury will ignore, no matter how many wacky lies she tells. All it looks like from my vantage point is that this person who steals from her own friends and family just tells one lie to cover up another lie. She was done at 31 days IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

Yep, and part of me has to wonder if Baez did try to persuade her in the beginning to take some type of plea deal. As incompetent as he seems at times, I wouldn't put it past Casey never wanting to admit that she had anything to do w/Caylee's murder. So he never really had a choice except to go w/the ridiculous nanny story. Even when that could mean the DP/LWOP vs. spending a few years in prison. Thus, I think once she had come up w/the nanny did it story that is all she ever admitted to anybody.


I agree with that theory....I do believe that Baez had to have asked her about a plea deal and she refused....She is too beligerant to even think about that...she will never own up to this...(like Soctt Peterson)...they both will take it to their grave.....

I remember when Cindy said "Casey will go to jail for the rest of her life to protect her daughter)...I wonder if Cindy ever thinks about some of the things she had said.....I wonder if she still thinks her daughter should receive the mother of the year award.....especially after Cindy was going to try and get custody of Caylee way before this happened......I wonder if they ever go home and discuss with each other just how rediculous they all sound with their rediculous stories.....

I can not wait for this trial....I hope it will be televised....that's if cable doesn't cut that station also......

I wonder if Direct TV is doing this also...I might just switch...

[tomsgirl]

Yes, I know what it was pertaining to. However, what can she do...nothing....It's up to The Anthony's to arrange the funeral.mo

And when she got out of jail, briefly, she still DID NOT help in looking for her daughter, and if she was out now it would still be up to mother to make all of the arrangements as she would be playing on her computer, texting her friends, visiting her SWEET lawyer, (the one who protects her from everyone) so it really doesn't make any difference where she is as far as funeral arrangements being made. JMO

[Loves2Read]

It's really too bad that we don't have video to go with the sound for that interview. I would like to see her demeanor while talking to these two detectives and how different it is from when she's talking to her parents or her brother. I wonder how an interview by a female detective would have gone.....

Now that is an interesting thought! I have a feeling that PPOF would have frozen a female right out the door. I bet she would not have answered question one from a female..... Unless that female found Casey attractive! Then I think she would have been OK with that. IMO


ITA I would have love to have seen this interview on video.

[shellzbi]

Gotta Go.

Happy and Healthy To All!

[Lavenia]

It's Baez's responsiblility as her lawyer to shatter her delusions and he failed to do that. He should have pushed until she realized that the best option was a plea deal. Or it is possible that he is THAT dumb and fell for her lies. I think in terms of justice for Caylee, this Baez/Casey coming together was the perfect combination. I'm pretty sure that most other lawyers would have broke her and made a plea deal. Casey has a very big 31 day problem that no jury will ignore, no matter how many wacky lies she tells. All it looks like from my vantage point is that this person who steals from her own friends and family just tells one lie to cover up another lie. She was done at 31 days IMO.

IMO Baez need this trial more than Casey does. He figures he will get PR points till the cows come home defending the odious creature.

[rj1212]

casey has a few more hours to keep her title of MOTHER OF THE YEAR. I guess she will try for cell mate of the year for 2009.

Post of the day thus far...:thumbsup:

[PROPROS]

I expect , as other posters have pointed out, that at some point we will hear of Casey's trauma and her MPD and how Zanny is an alter ego.

Don't you?IMO, they are going with the "Zanny" defense...BC stated that "they" believe that Zanny is responsible....But not that other Zenaida.mo

[martha]

When you lose your baby and don;t shed a tear for her then something is bad wrong with you. I bet casey don;t even cry at sad movies. I don;t think she loves anyone.jmho

[MalloryCat]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.

I wonder if there is a connection between Kiomarie and Kronk, or maybe Kiomaries boyfriend and Kronk.

jmo

[smileyjoe]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.

IIRC they did do a search around the elementary school. Maybe behind it.. I don't have a link, I just remember reading it.

[BobbisAngel]

Brother Lee and his investigation agency that he trusts. What is that?

Cindy, on the last LKL show Private I they have says everything Casey has told us is true!

The very next day the MR finds the bag!

Really these people think that all of us have no brain and there the only smart people out there.

No Immunity for this bunch.


I sure wouldn't put much stock in that PI if I were the Anthonys! Why in the world would a PI say such a thing or did he really tell them that?
Can't believe anything Casey or her parents say.

I wouldn't give any of them immunity either. Supeona them and put them on the stand as hostile witnesses. If they all take the fifth it will look really bad to the jury.

[lonetraveler]

The Anthony's don't need to mention anything in order to prove their love for little Caylee. I think they loved her more than anybody on this earth.

---
I don't agree with you on that note. They (the Anthonys) have proven with their words and actions that they put Casey totally on top of the totem pole and unfortunately, Caylee was put below.

[smileyjoe]

When you lose your baby and don;t shed a tear for her then something is bad wrong with you. I bet casey don;t even cry at sad movies. I don;t think she loves anyone.jmho

She loves herself.

/

Joe.

[playnice]

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474746,00.html



Cindy and George Anthony have said they plan a private memorial and funeral for their granddaughter and have no plans to visit their daughter in an Orange County jail. Investigators told the Sentinel that further questioning of the Anthonys would wait until after the funeral.

So, it is a waiting game.

:thumbdown:

Thats what Ive been thinking and thats why no rush for a funeral because arrests will be coming and they know it. They are prolonging it and hiding behiding behind little Caylee's remains. These people are disgusting.barf

[smileyjoe]

Evidently not a thorough or effective search, unless you believe the body was moved to that location on some later date.

No. Don't believe that.

[dgfred]

IIRC they did do a search around the elementary school. Maybe behind it.. I don't have a link, I just remember reading it.

Last night LP said that the area around the school and the area in the video are off by 100's of yards. Of course the final place may not be where the remains were originally.

[Barbara fl.]

I'm mad too...and while I sincerely respect the opinions of other posters over the past several weeks/months, I'm wanting to know where all of those posters were that seemed to think that Cindy and George along with Lee were simply innocent victims in all of this...nevermind their statements and actions. Instead, the chalice of "denial" was hoisted in our faces as if it were permissible to tell outright lie after lie about Casey, the smell, the club pics, etc...

I know that denial of some sort is normal but most of us recognized that this WAS DIFFERENT within days of the story breaking.

I suspect that some posters are here now, under different names...
I'd like to hear a logical defense or explanation regarding the behavior of the Anthony's NOW, in light of everything coming out...

Where's your defense?


Wellll, at the very beginning, when it was thought that Caylee might still be alive and we were all praying that she was....and then the lies just got worse with Casey...and as time went by, I tended to feel sorry for both George and Cindy...But as the case went further and they all started to lie and you knew they were covering up...my feelings started to change...Thennnn, when the Anthony's displayed such behavior in not wanting their granddaughter to be found anyother way but alive....I really started to have seconds thoughts....(i would have wanted closure, no matter how hard it would have been able to take)...


Nowww.....I no longer feel an ounce of pity for them,,,,reason being that not one of them have displayed any concern for Caylee...she is the one that lost her life....she is the one that was thrown away in a garbage bag.... and all the Anthony's are concerned about is Casey (murderer) and themselves.....how can you feel pity for them now?...

[*Serenity*]

Hi Everyone...... haven't been here for days now with holidays and work. Did they ever have a funeral/burial for Caylee?

Thanks in advance and sorry to be so behind with the case.

[GardenGirl]

Thats what Ive been thinking and thats why no rush for a funeral because arrests will be coming and they know it. They are prolonging it and hiding behiding behind little Caylee's remains. These people are disgusting.barf


I think they want to button up that immunity deal before they say a thing to anyone, especially if they're looking at testifying against at least one of their kids. If Lee gets arrested as an accomplice, they're whole family is kaput.
I agree with you, it's a stall tactic and they're using the hol's etc to pull it off.

[Calla]

When you lose your baby and don;t shed a tear for her then something is bad wrong with you. I bet casey don;t even cry at sad movies. I don;t think she loves anyone.jmho


Bingo! on the bolded part
But I bet she does cry at sad movies..I will bet she looks over at the person next to her and if they are crying, she cries.

As far as loving anyone..nope..don't think she knows what that feels like. SHe has spent her life mimicing others to put forth the appropriate responses to situations..she waited to see how someone acted and reacted based off of what she saw.

[Regina.Lampert]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.

Once again, it was searched by Tim Miller who lost a new four wheeler in the swamp. They missed the remains because of the dense foliage.

[Lavenia]

Hi Everyone...... haven't been here for days now with holidays and work. Did they ever have a funeral/burial for Caylee?

Thanks in advance and sorry to be so behind with the case.

No Serenity, that little baby has not been put to rest yet. :sad:

[Ladyhawk]

NO.......It is no longer Casey holding this up....This decision is now in the hands of The Anthonys. If The Anthonys were not so intent on "protecting" Casey and "defending" her,there would be no need for "her people" to conduct another autopsy. mo

I don't think the Anthonys are in control of the remains.....

From the article:

"Caylee Anthony's remains have been turned over to a south Orlando funeral home. The remains are now at the Robert Bryant Funeral & Cremation Chapel. Caylee’s mother, Casey Anthony, signed documents authorizing the release of the remains to the funeral home".

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=2436AD13AAB73E0FB6754FCB2A3D8DCB ?contentId=8133607&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[rj1212]

Wouldn't that be a question to ask the Anthony's. Anything a poster could say about it, would be a guess. None of us have the ability to conclude with any certainty why they have done things, that some people have a hard time understanding. I think if a poster feels sympathy for the Anthony's, they should be able to post as freely as those who have no sympathy for them.

I'm not talking about mere sympathizers of the Anthony's. Many of the "sympathizers" went a step further to question those who happened to believe that the Anthony's hands were dirty in this to a certain degree.

Now I'm questioning those posters...respectfully...with the same intensity you possessed before, where's your logical defense of the Anthony's actions now?

If sympathy is all one has left, then I have to respect that.

[PROPROS]

It's Baez's responsiblility as her lawyer to shatter her delusions and he failed to do that. He should have pushed until she realized that the best option was a plea deal. Or it is possible that he is THAT dumb and fell for her lies. I think in terms of justice for Caylee, this Baez/Casey coming together was the perfect combination. I'm pretty sure that most other lawyers would have broke her and made a plea deal. Casey has a very big 31 day problem that no jury will ignore, no matter how many wacky lies she tells. All it looks like from my vantage point is that this person who steals from her own friends and family just tells one lie to cover up another lie. She was done at 31 days IMO.:thumbsup:Great post!! The only thing that makes sense is that she just wouldn't go for a plea. IMO, there is no way he could believe that she was telling the truth and Zanny took Caylee. Maybe she thought she had enough protection (from him and others) or those high profile experts are going to wave a magic wand!mo

[Lavenia]

Once again, it was searched by Tim Miller who lost a new four wheeler in the swamp. They missed the remains because of the dense foliage.

No kidding. This wasn't like searching on a golf course putting green for a baby.

[AMS]

HAPPY NEW YEAR PEEPS!!!! Granddaughter is herre and going to spend it with her! Night all!!!! Be safe!!!!!

Have fun with your granddaughter.

[norwood]

I agree with that theory....I do believe that Baez had to have asked her about a plea deal and she refused....She is too beligerant to even think about that...she will never own up to this...(like Soctt Peterson)...they both will take it to their grave.....

I remember when Cindy said "Casey will go to jail for the rest of her life to protect her daughter)...I wonder if Cindy ever thinks about some of the things she had said.....I wonder if she still thinks her daughter should receive the mother of the year award.....especially after Cindy was going to try and get custody of Caylee way before this happened......I wonder if they ever go home and discuss with each other just how rediculous they all sound with their rediculous stories.....

I can not wait for this trial....I hope it will be televised....that's if cable doesn't cut that station also......

I wonder if Direct TV is doing this also...I might just switch...

I have had Direct Tv for 11 years and so far they have never let me down lol.

[Neffy]

No kidding. This wasn't like searching on a golf course putting green for a baby.

Eh, to much TV CSI type shows.

It only takes an hour dontcha know.

[shelbar53]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.

yea maybe a mistake but so what, the body was found and I hope with lots of evidence. I think LE did a great job with chasing a big fat wild goose all over the country, which I think the A's should pay for.

Im on the email news list for Orlando so I see all the accidents, shootings, robberys etc that happen in orlando, and guess what, LE has tons of other cases and things to deal with in addition to the Anthonys. So my hat off to LE for juggling all these balls.

[Regina.Lampert]

Thats one of the things that seems so strange, because the meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there.

Not strange at all when you consider one search was done in the summer and another in December when the bag could been seen and found.

[PROPROS]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.
IIRC, it was a different area....In back of the fence...not far,just not right there. I don't understand why they would have wanted to hang out in an area that has so many snakes!!:scared:mo

[Ladyhawk]

I remember reading on the various boards that posters were wondering why LE hadn't done a search of the area described by Kiomarie. I guess it might be their biggest mistake in the case, so far.

IRRC the area described by Kiomarie was closer to the school and it was searched by LE and nothing was found. The area where Caylee's remains were located is not that area.

[rj1212]

Wellll, at the very beginning, when it was thought that Caylee might still be alive and we were all praying that she was....and then the lies just got worse with Casey...and as time went by, I tended to feel sorry for both George and Cindy...But as the case went further and they all started to lie and you knew they were covering up...my feelings started to change...Thennnn, when the Anthony's displayed such behavior in not wanting their granddaughter to be found anyother way but alive....I really started to have seconds thoughts....(i would have wanted closure, no matter how hard it would have been able to take)...


Nowww.....I no longer feel an ounce of pity for them,,,,reason being that not one of them have displayed any concern for Caylee...she is the one that lost her life....she is the one that was thrown away in a garbage bag.... and all the Anthony's are concerned about is Casey (murderer) and themselves.....how can you feel pity for them now?...

Thanks for the honesty of your post. I certainly hoped and prayed that she would be found alive and unharmed as well.

[shelbar53]

Some people get a little nasty cause there isn't anything new to say.

Some people even start making up stuff.:w00t:

making sruff up? hey I am young skinny and beautiful oh and rich

usually on slow news day I go back and re read stuff. its amazing how much I forget or see things in a different light with new information about the case.

[PROPROS]

Gotta Go.

Happy and Healthy To All!You to shellzbi...Happy New Year!

[legalmania]

IIRC they did do a search around the elementary school. Maybe behind it.. I don't have a link, I just remember reading it.

Ya I can back you up on that one smileyjoe that is why LE wouldn't believe the meter reader because they said a search had already been done there. Alls it would have taken is to run the dogs one more time in that area to be be sure, but what matters is the outcome Caylee is now found.

[Loves2Read]

Wouldn't that be a question to ask the Anthony's. Anything a poster could say about it, would be a guess. None of us have the ability to conclude with any certainty why they have done things, that some people have a hard time understanding. I think if a poster feels sympathy for the Anthony's, they should be able to post as freely as those who have no sympathy for them.

HELLO!!! Since the Athonys are not present on this board (that we know of) that poster should feel free to ask that question just as they did. Everything on a message board is OPINION. We are commenting on the facts as we get them from various sources. EVERYONE posts their own opinions freely; just as everyone feels they can differ with any given opinion. I guess you are one of the people that have a hard time understanding this. Get over it all ready! Feel sorry for the Anthonys if you want to. I won't feel sorry for them so there you go and let's get back to the topic on hand shall we?

What is your take on Lee's attorney's comments?

[trich]

Thats one of the things that seems so strange, because the meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there.

You haven't paid attention.
The meter reader saw the bag after the water receded and the bag loged under a palemtto tree/bush.
the water did not go down until just before the bag was found.
The neighbors agree the water had just recently receded.

[rj1212]

I answered to the best of my ability. I don't feel as I need a defense to any sympathy I feel for the grandparents of a dead toddler.

Okay...Happy New Year!

[PROPROS]

When you lose your baby and don;t shed a tear for her then something is bad wrong with you. I bet casey don;t even cry at sad movies. I don;t think she loves anyone.jmhoThe only thing she loves is herself...her next boyfriend, shopping, texting, dancing and of course stealing!mo

[Pebbles]

Based on the article you linked, it doesn't appear that they do. So much for the theories that the Anthony's don't care about Caylee, or that they have their priorites messed up. Those poor people can't seem to catch a break no matter what.


That article is dated December 23,2008, over a week ago.

Apparently the A's think they can make plans for Caylee's funeral since they have been discussing a private and public memorial. Also, the A's seem to be the ones saying that there will be a service after the holidays, according to their attorney/spokesperson. The A's are the ones doing all the talking regarding what is being planned for Caylee, sounds like they are the ones making the decisions, they are just not in any hurry apparently! Wonder why??

[Calla]

Okay I am starting to get the urge to make some stuff up about this case:laugh:

[Rayosunshine]

Well, you would assume the burial is being held up because they want a second autopsy, which they do. So maybe its just better to have her in the funeral home and not the ME office, I mean she is released by the state because they are done with her body. And funeral plans have to be made and carried out by someone.

jmo

Maybe they are waiting on a second test of the DNA from an independent lab??

[Barbara fl.]

:thumbsup:Great post!! The only thing that makes sense is that she just wouldn't go for a plea. IMO, there is no way he could believe that she was telling the truth and Zanny took Caylee. Maybe she thought she had enough protection (from him and others) or those high profile experts are going to wave a magic wand!mo


Or the body would never be found.....thus, with her mentality, would have thought "no body,no case"....but she would have been so wrong in any case..Because many a person is behind bars right now and was convicted, without a body.....

And don't be surprised if the DP gets put back on the table....and if it should be then we know for certain that Caylee had a horrific death....Florida would probably like to give her the DP just for what she put everyone thru and dumped Caylee like a piece of trash....but I believe they would have to prove that the death was horrific before they would attempt to go for the DP....

In either case....Casey will get life without the chance of parole JMO...She thought she was so smart and could get over on anyone....surprise, surprise.....

[shelbar53]

I think it speaks volumes the A's are NOT visiting casey, esp on christmas eve and day. I dont buy that, baez said no visitor nonsense. the A's have never listened to their lawyer, why do you think Nejame quit.

I think they cant stand her either.

[??WHATthe??]

Thats one of the things that seems so strange, because the meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there.

Okay... sorry...

OMFreekingGoodness!

"meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there" Dahhhh dahhhh dahhhhh dahhhh The water had receded ...

barf
:blink:
:angry:


IMO

[sammielizabe]

and KC allegedly dumped her on the 24th, that's 9 days. I heard that it only takes 2 weeks for a body to fully decompose. Does that mean that she was already skeletonized by the time she was dumped. I can't even imagine, the horror of knowing that your baby is in this condition and still picking her up and moving her around....