Caylee Anthony New Years Eve Part II

[Barbara fl.]

I have had Direct Tv for 11 years and so far they have never let me down lol.


Thanks...I'm going to give them a call.....

[shelbar53]

Or the body would never be found.....thus, with her mentality, would have thought "no body,no case"....but she would have been so wrong in any case..Because many a person is behind bars right now and was convicted, without a body.....

And don't be surprised if the DP gets put back on the table....and if it should be then we know for certain that Caylee had a horrific death....Florida would probably like to give her the DP just for what she put everyone thru and dumped Caylee like a piece of trash....but I believe they would have to prove that the death was horrific before they would attempt to go for the DP....

In either case....Casey will get life without the chance of parole JMO...She thought she was so smart and could get over on anyone....surprise, surprise.....

I would only want her to get the DP if its like calif DP...they dont put you death, just in a teeny cell for 23 hours a day for forever.

just the way scott is living.

[GardenGirl]

I think it speaks volumes the A's are NOT visiting casey, esp on christmas eve and day. I dont buy that, baez said no visitor nonsense. the A's have never listened to their lawyer, why do you think Nejame quit.

I think they cant stand her either.

Can they send letters through the lawyers?

[legalmania]

Okay I am starting to get the urge to make some stuff up about this case:laugh:

For or against Casey?

[Leanne Weich]

Yep, that is true. I also think that the defense has not yet done the second autopsy, so until that takes place the Anthony's cannot have a funeral service for Caylee. I am sure that it is something that they would like to do as soon as they are able to.

You can have a memorial service at any time, with or without a body in the church. In fact, if you opt for cremation, it is not usual that immediately from the church, the body is cremated. It all depends on how many cremations are scheduled to be held and how many individual crematory furnaces a crematorium has. When my g/daughter died, we had her memorial service with her coffin in the church two days after she died and she was only cremated 3 days after the service, notwithstanding our pleading with the crematorium director to do it sooner. I even tried to bribe him, with no luck.

[smileyjoe]

Speaking for myself only, what is the hurry? Caylee is gone. Funeral services are meant as closure to those living. It has no impact on Caylee, at all. She left this earth at the moment of her death, and a timely funeral isn't going to change that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,474746,00.html

Cindy and George Anthony have said they plan a private memorial and funeral for their granddaughter and have no plans to visit their daughter in an Orange County jail.

Investigators told the Sentinel that further questioning of the Anthonys would wait until after the funeral.


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[ann10]

Okay I am starting to get the urge to make some stuff up about this case:laugh:


Please do! It's like a 'days of our lives' episode in here.

[Barbara fl.]

I think it speaks volumes the A's are NOT visiting casey, esp on christmas eve and day. I dont buy that, baez said no visitor nonsense. the A's have never listened to their lawyer, why do you think Nejame quit.

I think they cant stand her either.


That could very well be...maybe they are finally seeing their daughter for who she is....

[steffaroob4]

Once again, it was searched by Tim Miller who lost a new four wheeler in the swamp. They missed the remains because of the dense foliage.

Kathi Belich describes the area that Kiomarie took LE to as area B on this map (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/kirk/AB.jpg). She said on ISSUES with JVM she had checked out that area Kiomarie talked about, by the dirt road. I don't think they are that close to each other.

[shelbar53]

and KC allegedly dumped her on the 24th, that's 9 days. I heard that it only takes 2 weeks for a body to fully decompose. Does that mean that she was already skeletonized by the time she was dumped. I can't even imagine, the horror of knowing that your baby is in this condition and still picking her up and moving her around....

NO, i dont think she was a skelton by then but I bet she was like LP said...stew. Oh my lord....maybe thats why she didnt travel to far into the woods...the contents of the bag joshling around...grrrr..just the thought of that makes me sick. I hope all involved think of the horrors of this case, then maybe people wont be so quick to send her money for her to buy cookies and candy.

[norwood]

Okay I am starting to get the urge to make some stuff up about this case:laugh:

I don't think anyone on this board could make up anything more bizzar than the Anthony's have come up with.

[Lavenia]

and KC allegedly dumped her on the 24th, that's 9 days. I heard that it only takes 2 weeks for a body to fully decompose. Does that mean that she was already skeletonized by the time she was dumped. I can't even imagine, the horror of knowing that your baby is in this condition and still picking her up and moving her around....

2 weeks is too short to skeletonize(or fully decomp) but the elements, animal activity, insect activity, etc., will GREATLY impact decomp. times otherwise.

[DoubleFelix]

IIRC they did do a search around the elementary school. Maybe behind it.. I don't have a link, I just remember reading it.

I remember that, too. I pictured it just like the area behind my elementary school when I read this back in August, I think.

[catdoc]

[QUOTE=Ickabod;12599356]Some people get a little nasty cause there isn't anything new to say.

<snipped>,respectfully

I get personally disturbed when all the sniping and nastiness starts showing up on the boards. I know someone will jump up and say since it does not involve me it is none of my business but to me it is so juvenile and causes me to lose respect for anything else a poster says (after participating in catfights).

[??WHATthe??]

I might be worried about myself, if there weren't so many people who also think its strange. I am not alone in the idea that there are some questions that need to be addressed regarding this issue.

Okay... I'll worry for you...

And other than Mrs Cat... Ummm your in your own boat so far as I can tell...:wink:

IMO

[Loves2Read]

The Attorney for the A's just said on Channel 2 that the A's are not the ones asking for immunity but that he is asking for it for them.

Maybe he is privy to information that we are not. He probably has some really great reasons for asking for this immunity. Besides, he doesn't have to tell US the truth. He might just want everyone to believe that so the A's won't look so guilty.

[smileyjoe]

I remember that, too. I pictured it just like the area behind my elementary school when I read this back in August, I think.

Yup. Same recall.

[PROPROS]

Okay... sorry...

OMFreekingGoodness!

"meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there" Dahhhh dahhhh dahhhhh dahhhh The water had receded ...

barf
:blink:
:angry:


IMO I feel so sorry for Mr. Kronk....The next time there is a child missing, Mr/Ms good citizen might just say "no thanks" I'm not getting involved.mo

[Mandysmom]

Thats one of the things that seems so strange, because the meter reader didn't seem to have a problem seeing it there.

Not really. The water had receded and the foliage is different in December than August.

It looked like a vast jungle and those palmettos are not easy to go into and search around. Any number of little crevices and nooks that could have hidden the bag.

[Katt2]

I'm not talking about mere sympathizers of the Anthony's. Many of the "sympathizers" went a step further to question those who happened to believe that the Anthony's hands were dirty in this to a certain degree.

Now I'm questioning those posters...respectfully...with the same intensity you possessed before, where's your logical defense of the Anthony's actions now?

If sympathy is all one has left, then I have to respect that.

I am not an all out Anthony supporter by any stretch and I can see many ways they could have acted differently. But they have been thrust into a horrendous situation and I can't judge them for how they have acted.
It has never been proven to me that they knew Caylee was deceased and that their daughter was responsible so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It is so easy for us on the outside to be objective and see the reality but not so easy when you are in the middle of the turmoil.
I know I am in the minority and I try not to push my unpopular opinion down other's throats because no one wants to read it.
I do have sympathy for the Anthony's but I also try to have a little understanding for some of their actions.

[Ladyhawk]

Based on the article you linked, it doesn't appear that they do. So much for the theories that the Anthony's don't care about Caylee, or that they have their priorites messed up. Those poor people can't seem to catch a break no matter what.

All the article does is indicated that Casey signed papers and released the remains to a funeral home. Period. That's it.

It does not put to rest any theories about who the Anthony's care about or if their priorities are messed up. The article has nothing to do with theories and it certainly does not bolster the idea that those poor people can't seem to catch a break.

I posted the link in response to an assumption that the remains had been released to the Anthonys and the post was not meant to do anything except clarify that the remains were released to the funeral home and not to the Anthonys.

[Calla]

I personally don't think the DP is punishment..just a realease from accountability..but that's just my opinion and to each their own. right?

And I don't believe Casey will be bothered by being in general population in prison forever either. She is a chameleon. She laughs when others laugh..she cries when others cry..she smokes pot because her newest boyfriend does..she likes a certain brand of beer because the newest girlfriend does..see what I mean. She does not exist..she is a sociopath or psychopath..She does not feel. She is an actor.

The proper punishment is in a cell, alone, unable to play her mind games..watching tapes of Caylee and of her father telling her how he told Caylee the moon and the stars and the sky. Casey never really cried without it being about her until her father sat and told her all the things he wanted to do with Caylee and all the things he use to do with Caylee. During some of those times that I watched, she struggled for a response.

it's jmo..dont beat me up

[Barbara fl.]

I would only want her to get the DP if its like calif DP...they dont put you death, just in a teeny cell for 23 hours a day for forever.

just the way scott is living.



Your right...Florida puts them to death pretty fast....But being on DR in California is like heaven....they don't have to be around other criminals..they can have visiters...they have a cell to themselves....they can buy things, they can have a TV...etc...

If she gets life without parole....Casey will be put in the general population....she is going to come into contact with some that don't look to kindly at what she did....and that will be for her entire life....she is in for trouble any way you look at it.....

[smileyjoe]

I may be missing your point. Do you believe that the Anthony's are not having a service because they want to avoid questioning? And if so, do you think LE will allow the delay to go on indefinately? Did you ever consider that the past severals days consist of two of the biggest holidays of the year, and that might cause some delay.

I think its nice of the investigators to allow them that courtesy.


LE don't observe holidays like the rest of us do.

unfortunately

[Pebbles]

Speaking for myself only, what is the hurry? Caylee is gone. Funeral services are meant as closure to those living. It has no impact on Caylee, at all. She left this earth at the moment of her death, and a timely funeral isn't going to change that.


I'm am certainly glad my husband and I didn't feel that way about our son. Not only was the funeral/memorial for our son closure, it was also a celebration of his short time in this life.

Since you think that a funeral is closure, I guess what posters are thinking may have some truth, the A team do not want to have closure, the A's and their team know there are many, many questions regarding what actually has happened to Caylee in the months she was not seen by "anyone"!!!!!!!!

By the way, if everyone felt as you do, there would be no funerals! Must be some reasons for funerals Sure a funeral/memorial does not bring closure to the person that is deceased, but it is a way of remembering the person and bringing honor to their memory!!! I think Caylee deserves that, especially since she is no longer on this earth!

[legalmania]

Or the body would never be found.....thus, with her mentality, would have thought "no body,no case"....but she would have been so wrong in any case..Because many a person is behind bars right now and was convicted, without a body.....

And don't be surprised if the DP gets put back on the table....and if it should be then we know for certain that Caylee had a horrific death....Florida would probably like to give her the DP just for what she put everyone thru and dumped Caylee like a piece of trash....but I believe they would have to prove that the death was horrific before they would attempt to go for the DP....

In either case....Casey will get life without the chance of parole JMO...She thought she was so smart and could get over on anyone....surprise, surprise.....

I think there having a problem with intent. There are no signs of child abuse before 6-15. I believe if they could find someone to say that Casey said she hated Caylee and wish she was dead would help them, but there's nobody. The only people who would have heard something like that is George and Cindy and possible Lee and their not talking.

[??WHATthe??]

I feel so sorry for Mr. Kronk....The next time there is a child missing, Mr/Ms good citizen might just say "no thanks" I'm not getting involved.mo

I sure hope not Pro... that would be aweful!:closedeyes:

[Remy]

NO, Caseys team is doing a 2nd, there has only been one, so therefore its Casey who is holding this up, via autopsy, when she already knows what happened to the girl, she could just come clean and let her be buried and spare another prodding of the bones, but what does she care?

jmo

You're correct Mallory and the saddest thing of all is she doesn't care at all about anyone except herself.

[martha]

Or the body would never be found.....thus, with her mentality, would have thought "no body,no case"....but she would have been so wrong in any case..Because many a person is behind bars right now and was convicted, without a body.....

And don't be surprised if the DP gets put back on the table....and if it should be then we know for certain that Caylee had a horrific death....Florida would probably like to give her the DP just for what she put everyone thru and dumped Caylee like a piece of trash....but I believe they would have to prove that the death was horrific before they would attempt to go for the DP....

In either case....Casey will get life without the chance of parole JMO...She thought she was so smart and could get over on anyone....surprise, surprise..... ITA with you and I hope she never see the light of day away from a prison. Death is to good for her.I would make her have pictures of caylee all in her cell. You or my sunshine with caylee singing it playing all the time. jmho

[Rayosunshine]

Since investigators are going to wait until after the funeral for further questioning of the A's, how long will they wait?

[shelbar53]

I know more about the florida terrain then I do my own area. I looked at all the pictures the searchers posated, read all about palmetto trees, yikes learned about gators and snakes but most of all I learned about banana spiders :w00t:...sorry but my searching days would be over in a flash, well they never would of started...I would be a major distractions to other searchers with all my screaming and jumping all over the place.

[Barbara fl.]

I personally don't think the DP is punishment..just a realease from accountability..but that's just my opinion and to each their own. right?

And I don't believe Casey will be bothered by being in general population in prison forever either. She is a chameleon. She laughs when others laugh..she cries when others cry..she smokes pot because her newest boyfriend does..she likes a certain brand of beer because the newest girlfriend does..see what I mean. She does not exist..she is a sociopath or psychopath..She does not feel. She is an actor.

The proper punishment is in a cell, alone, unable to play her mind games..watching tapes of Caylee and of her father telling her how he told Caylee the moon and the stars and the sky. Casey never really cried without it being about her until her father sat and told her all the things he wanted to do with Caylee and all the things he use to do with Caylee. During some of those times that I watched, she struggled for a response.

it's jmo..dont beat me up


Your opinion is a good one...however, I don't think she will like the general population too much....everyone is wise to her and how she steals and lies.....everytime something comes up missing, they will look at Casey.....she wont be able to fit in that easy.....she is used to manipulating people....(don't think she will be able to do that in the big house)....jmo

[playnice]

IRRC the area described by Kiomarie was closer to the school and it was searched by LE and nothing was found. The area where Caylee's remains were located is not that area.

It was and they took the dogs too.

[Mandysmom]

Kathi Belich describes the area that Kiomarie took LE to as area B on this map (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/kirk/AB.jpg). She said on ISSUES with JVM she had checked out that area Kiomarie talked about, by the dirt road. I don't think they are that close to each other.

There was a link to a video done by Gale St. John posted yesterday. It was a blind drive done by her and her daughter and some guy.

The area where Caylee was found was not right by the fence or the gate where you could drive into. It was some ways before that.

If you look at the video, when Gale and the other lady are walking up the dirt road, it is really dense and visibility would have been next to nothing.

Also it was mentioned that the area was flooded when you got off of the little road.

So the short answer is no, the road is not near the area where Caylee was found. Kiomarie was describing the area accessible by the dirt road.

[Daffodil]

Maybe he is privy to information that we are not. He probably has some really great reasons for asking for this immunity. Besides, he doesn't have to tell US the truth. He might just want everyone to believe that so the A's won't look so guilty.

Right, and isn't he the one who is legally representing them? So....wouldn't that make sense that HE is the one asking and not them? Spin.....spin.....spin

[smileyjoe]

Your opinion is a good one...however, I don't think she will like the general population too much....everyone is wise to her and how she steals and lies.....everytime something comes up missing, they will look at Casey.....she wont be able to fit in that easy.....she is used to manipulating people....(don't think she will be able to do that in the big house)....jmo

Well, she probably will have some good competition.

[Barbara fl.]

I know more about the florida terrain then I do my own area. I looked at all the pictures the searchers posated, read all about palmetto trees, yikes learned about gators and snakes but most of all I learned about banana spiders :w00t:...sorry but my searching days would be over in a flash, well they never would of started...I would be a major distractions to other searchers with all my screaming and jumping all over the place.


I live here and still do that.....

[Remy]

Me too....But, I guess Casey's defense is more of a priority. After all, like Casey stated in the jail visit"I'm still here"mo

I think Casey released the remains to her parents but I'm sure she put stipulations on it such as the second autopsy. Baez would have made sure of it.

[steffaroob4]

I agree with you Steff, I think the place that kiomarie described would have been closer to the school then where Caylee was found.

JMO

I can see on virtual earth all kinds of dirt bike trails over by the school, that has always looked to me like a good place to hang, plus there are no retention ponds over there, making it less wet of an area and less critters.

[Loves2Read]

I think its pretty standard proceedure in the legal community.

Oh!! You agree with me? Thanks! :biggrin:

[legalmania]

Since investigators are going to wait until after the funeral for further questioning of the A's, how long will they wait?

I'm sure it will be pretty quick, the prosecution will be definitely subpoena those tapes very soon.

[daHawg]

Could all this immunity talk from the attorneys be a precursor to what we can expect from GA, CA and LA if they are called as witnesses in the trial and haven't received immunity they can plead the 5th to any and all questions without it looking as bad if there was no talk of immunity. Sort of like well it's expected now and let the Prosecution prove a case against them. This way they don't testify against their daughter. Did I just make any sense?

[marshmallow]

I feel so sorry for Mr. Kronk....The next time there is a child missing, Mr/Ms good citizen might just say "no thanks" I'm not getting involved.mo


I think that's exactly what will happen. I'd like to think I'd do the right thing but I'd also wonder who would be on the defense ready to accuse me of some wrong doing. If anything, the Anthony case is going to have bad repercussions when it comes to people doing the right thing.

[legalmania]

I know more about the florida terrain then I do my own area. I looked at all the pictures the searchers posated, read all about palmetto trees, yikes learned about gators and snakes but most of all I learned about banana spiders :w00t:...sorry but my searching days would be over in a flash, well they never would of started...I would be a major distractions to other searchers with all my screaming and jumping all over the place.

It's a lot more fun when your being paid. I did legal research for years and the only thing that kept me going was the pay.

[norwood]

calla- if the thought of being in general population does not scare her now- I absolutely gurantee you that on the day that she has to face that - she will be scared. It is not going to matter what she laughs at or how she thinks she is going to act- she has no idea what is coming. Oh wow- she has no clue at all. even though she is still being protected now, in a cell of her own, she is in seriously big trouble. Sorry to be so dramatic but I know two male people both of which are of no small stature or nice demeanor and i am telling you, they were scared. They are going to hate her in there, IMOO


You are so right Lomar. She has no idea what her life is going to become. She is not going to be able to manipulate people in there and she steals from someone in there her life won't be worth a plug nickle.

[Mandysmom]

I am not an all out Anthony supporter by any stretch and I can see many ways they could have acted differently. But they have been thrust into a horrendous situation and I can't judge them for how they have acted.
It has never been proven to me that they knew Caylee was deceased and that their daughter was responsible so I am giving them the benefit of the doubt.
It is so easy for us on the outside to be objective and see the reality but not so easy when you are in the middle of the turmoil.
I know I am in the minority and I try not to push my unpopular opinion down other's throats because no one wants to read it.
I do have sympathy for the Anthony's but I also try to have a little understanding for some of their actions.
Katt you know I respect your opinions and I too have sympathy for the A's.

I do believe that George knew in his heart that Caylee was gone when he first smelled the car and found out Caylee was missing. He practically told LE that in his interview.

I don't know what happened after that unless it was a last ditch attempt to try and protect Cindy or if he felt guilt or what. I do believe he told the GJ the truth, and it helped to get the indictment of Casey.

I can't imagine how hard that had to be for him and I've often thought of the horror of knowing that what he smelled and cleaned from the car was the fluids from Caylee's decomposing body.

The only way I can think of it is a living nightmare from which they will never awaken from.

For that, I have sympathy and much pity for them. I do believe they should just tell the truth now and let the consequences happen. It will be the only way they might even begin to heal from this.

:sad:

[marshmallow]

The Attorney for the A's just said on Channel 2 that the A's are not the ones asking for immunity but that he is asking for it for them.



does anyone really believe that? I sure don't. The Anthonys are always looking out for themselves, I'm sure they're thinking about their own hides.

[Calla]

calla- if the thought of being in general population does not scare her now- I absolutely gurantee you that on the day that she has to face that - she will be scared. It is not going to matter what she laughs at or how she thinks she is going to act- she has no idea what is coming. Oh wow- she has no clue at all. even though she is still being protected now, in a cell of her own, she is in seriously big trouble. Sorry to be so dramatic but I know two male people both of which are of no small stature or nice demeanor and i am telling you, they were scared. They are going to hate her in there, IMOO

I did not mean to imply that she would not be afraid.
I meant to make the point that she could be a functioning inmate and would have no problems with manipulating however she needed to to survive. Was not trying to say she would have a bed of roses.
I know some convicts myself:biggrin:

[MandyMia]

does anyone really believe that? I sure don't. The Anthonys are always looking out for themselves, I'm sure they're thinking about their own hides.



He is their attorney and they didn't take the advice from Nejame why would they allow him ask on their behalf if they didn't want him to - they want him to and they need him to - imo

[legalmania]

Could all this immunity talk from the attorneys be a precursor to what we can expect from GA, CA and LA if they are called as witnesses in the trial and haven't received immunity they can plead the 5th to any and all questions without it looking as bad if there was no talk of immunity. Sort of like well it's expected now and let the Prosecution prove a case against them. This way they don't testify against their daughter. Did I just make any sense?

Yes, it makes sense but I think they are going to take immunity in exchange for their freedom.

[Cury-us Coyote]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

[daHawg]

I think you make sense. I believe if called they will plead the 5th, as is their right to do, unless they have the benefit of immunity.

Which I don't believe they will get immunity but with their attorney a couple weeks ago admitting that the A's were "inconsistent" in their previous interviews and now wanting immunity sets it up very nicely for them to plead the 5th. Like it will now be expected that they do where before everyone was waiting to see them on the stand. Now not so much.

[Kara]

Umm her parents will NOT be at the ceremony

:biggrin:
Do you think they are finally coming to terms with the truth? That their daughter killed their granddaughter?

[daHawg]

Yes, it makes sense but I think they are going to take immunity in exchange for their freedom.But it's their atty asking for it not the prosecution offering it. I really hope that the prosecution has everything they need to nail them without granting immunity.

[Pebbles]

Pebbles I am so sorry, that must have been the hardest time of your life and it sounds like you and your husband are very brave people, I'm praying for your family.

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?

[MandyMia]

No, No and No. It doesn't work that way. It's not his job to "break her" or shatter her delusions. His job is to present her with her options and let her make the decisions. He is working for her-- not the other way around. I can point you to Feldman and the Vermin Westerfield as a good example. And Geragos and the Swine Peterson. I am certain that they presented their clients with their options and just like the Odeous Casey, they opted to take their chances with a Jury. The one thing about these sociopaths, they all think they are smart enough to outsmart everyone else. That's where they are wrong already!



Happens all the time - client not taking the advice of their attorney because they know better and then when the jury see exactly what their attorney saw and they are convicted they begin the I didn't have effective counsil they should have made me take the plea blah blah blah IMO

[legalmania]

Okay...how about this? Casey Anthony is getting married on New Year's eve.



:)

Just kidding...but the thread title made me read it twice...I did think it said she would be wed on New Year's eve for a second or two.

What's her name?

[MandyMia]

But it's their atty asking for it not the prosecution offering it. I really hope that the prosecution has everything they need to nail them without granting immunity.




Right on!


imo

[Calla]

Katt you know I respect your opinions and I too have sympathy for the A's.

I do believe that George knew in his heart that Caylee was gone when he first smelled the car and found out Caylee was missing. He practically told LE that in his interview.

I don't know what happened after that unless it was a last ditch attempt to try and protect Cindy or if he felt guilt or what. I do believe he told the GJ the truth, and it helped to get the indictment of Casey.

I can't imagine how hard that had to be for him and I've often thought of the horror of knowing that what he smelled and cleaned from the car was the fluids from Caylee's decomposing body.

The only way I can think of it is a living nightmare from which they will never awaken from.

For that, I have sympathy and much pity for them. I do believe they should just tell the truth now and let the consequences happen. It will be the only way they might even begin to heal from this.

:sad:


Kudos

I totally agree

I know some don't but of all the transcripts I have read and videos I have watched..GA is no dumba**..and is a tortured man.

You said it all, I cannot add anymore

Now everyone is gonna bash me in the head:mellow:

[nc1948]

I agree bchand. I am a bookkeeper and all this legal stuff makes no sense to me. I do appreciate everything impartial and Katprints post. Their post are not only insightful but I can tell they know what they are talking about. I for one need all they help I can to decipher what can be done and what cannot. I don't always like what they say (especially in regards to defendants rights vs. victims rights) but I do so appreciate the information. I learn something new from each of them everytime they post.

A great BIG thank you to all our resident legal experts.:beer:

I brought this over from morning thread. I was there posting to myself.

[cassidy]

The Attorney for the A's just said on Channel 2 that the A's are not the ones asking for immunity but that he is asking for it for them.

Ut Oh. do you think they are going to fire him soon for not doing what they tell him to do? Does he think the general public is stupid? An attoney acts in the best interest of his client. They can overrule him if they so choose.

[Remy]

I'm mad too...and while I sincerely respect the opinions of other posters over the past several weeks/months, I'm wanting to know where all of those posters were that seemed to think that Cindy and George along with Lee were simply innocent victims in all of this...nevermind their statements and actions. Instead, the chalice of "denial" was hoisted in our faces as if it were permissible to tell outright lie after lie about Casey, the smell, the club pics, etc...

I know that denial of some sort is normal but most of us recognized that this WAS DIFFERENT within days of the story breaking.

I suspect that some posters are here now, under different names...
I'd like to hear a logical defense or explanation regarding the behavior of the Anthony's NOW, in light of everything coming out...

Where's your defense?

I won't snip to address but I have empathy for Cindy because I believe she is in a drug induced state and the more people try and shove the facts down her throat the more aggressive she gets. It bothers me, I don't agree with anything she has done/said but I understand it and know people like that.

George and Lee are a different story for me. They should have been protecting Cindy from herself especially after the emails were released that she spoke of suicide and the only things that prevented her from doing so were Caylee and her work.

I also wonder how much Lee and George have hidden from Cindy because she doesn't seem to take Casey's carp before and after the 16th.

I know she's been portrayed as the one in control in the family but I think George does that to look like the good guy which isolates Cindy from people giving him control. jmo, imo

[AMS]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?

Pebbles,

:rose: for Timothy and your family.

[RiverWalk]

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

over 53" of rain in the Orlando area in 2008. WOW. Lot of rain!! No wonder the "swamp" where the little body was finally found.

Hi friend.

[Mandysmom]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?
Pebbles what a beautiful and heartbreaking post. You are so right, the adults were supposed to protect that baby.

The least they can do now is to show her the honor and love she deserves.

So sorry for your loss. I know it's something that you never really recover from.

:sad:

[Daffodil]

I hope someone is out there getting the story on what Cindy was like growing up. What was her family life like...her high school years, etc. I want to learn the same info about George. I would hope Dommenick Dunne is on the job. All this craziness did not just start when Caylee went missing.

[Pebbles]

It seems to me that LE has no say in how Caylee's remains are dealt with once they release the remains..The Anthony's can keep her remains at that Funeral Home forever if they wish..Dont think it makes any nevermind to LE!!

As to a public memorial..yikes I remember a beautiful Memorial Service for Caylee by Rev. Grund in Blanchford Park in November..even some posters sent flowers and even attended that Service..You know the one the Anthony's attempted to stop..and tried to have all things left there in her memory removed??..

Anyway, whatever the Anthony's do thru their rep..Mr. Conway is ALL THEIR DECISION..and have that right to do!

I for one am glad at least there are remains now..and there will be some permanant place for her!! For that I am truly grateful!

LMS

RIP Caylee


And the A's were against the memorial, and Mr. Grund had the memorial, the A's didn't want to celebrate Caylee's memory.

[shelbar53]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?

Very insightful post and im sorry about your loss. I agree with little caylee asking " are you tired pa pa" that was so sweet and caring

[legalmania]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?

Thank's for telling me the details of your sons death I didn't want to ask because I feel it's very personal. I'm sure your son grabbed the hand of Caylee when she came up and is helping her understand she still has a voice and that her spirit will bring justice. Bless all of them.

[PROPROS]

I did not mean to imply that she would not be afraid.
I meant to make the point that she could be a functioning inmate and would have no problems with manipulating however she needed to to survive. Was not trying to say she would have a bed of roses.
I know some convicts myself:biggrin:After some initial razzing from the inmates,she will program like everyone else. I have seen many child killers (here in california prisons) and they are adapting. Most of the female inmates hook up with a partner and they even join a "group" which includes a mother, sisters and yes...father and brother "figures". Women do not as a rule have as many "politics" as male inmates do. Even the Manson girls (at CIW) got along fine with the other inmates. There is a saying in prison...Do your own program and don't sweat mine!mo

[MandyMia]

We have videos of her reading the story[/COLOR], and she`s telling me the story…


That's why I really like this board (when no one's fighting and being mean) because I totally did no put that together - omg that's why she dumped the book with Caylee and told cops that story - man she was really make the loose ends all me and cover her butt imo she had a month to cover all this over and over in her head - she should fry imo imo

[Calla]

Do you think they are finally coming to terms with the truth? That their daughter killed their granddaughter?


As i have said before and had to hide because i said it..
I think george's deceit has been to protect cindy...I believe he knew from the start after finding that car, and that he and lee believed cindy was so fragile that they were responsible for her.

even to the interview where george asks LE that if they see it going that way to give him a heads up because it would kill his wife.

I think he was swayed on occassion because he wanted to think she was alive and his thots were like a yo-yo...because from the videos I saw of him with casey, I think he believed she would have to break when talking about caylee and the moon and the stars & the birthday. I noticed a vast difference in Casey and George when he was alone with her without Cindy.

They know Casey did it..by now

p.s. my statemnt about the ceremony was regarding casey's wedding that isn't real. some mistook a heading to mean there was one.

[Cury-us Coyote]

over 53" of rain in the Orlando area in 2008. WOW. Lot of rain!! No wonder the "swamp" where the little body was finally found.

Hi friend.

:seeya:

The coverage of Caylee was short and nothing new, IMO.
Best to you in 2009.

[catdoc]

Fixed your misquote. That's why I have some on IGNORE. It works to ignore the BAIT and the attention they so desperately seek. Let them starve.

IMO.

Thanks River, if you have the time, since not much news is happening can you explain how to snip a quote. I've read the directions but each try shows up wrong. I've had to delete totally managled ones. This is for anyone feeling helpful. tia

[Katt2]

Katt you know I respect your opinions and I too have sympathy for the A's.

I do believe that George knew in his heart that Caylee was gone when he first smelled the car and found out Caylee was missing. He practically told LE that in his interview.

I don't know what happened after that unless it was a last ditch attempt to try and protect Cindy or if he felt guilt or what. I do believe he told the GJ the truth, and it helped to get the indictment of Casey.

I can't imagine how hard that had to be for him and I've often thought of the horror of knowing that what he smelled and cleaned from the car was the fluids from Caylee's decomposing body.

The only way I can think of it is a living nightmare from which they will never awaken from.

For that, I have sympathy and much pity for them. I do believe they should just tell the truth now and let the consequences happen. It will be the only way they might even begin to heal from this.

:sad:

I respect your opinion also MM as well as everyone's right to their opinion.
I do think George may have suspected the worst but I think it had to be proven to him as well, with the discovery of the body. They had two horrible things to accept. The tragic death of their little granddaughter and the fact that her own mother was responsible.

[shelbar53]

Hi Ladyhawk,

Casey did not specify the video was from Fathers Day, however she did reference Caylee looking at the book was on video. My point was that even if LE did not know of the video at that time, Casey did. The 7-15-08 call was a fake. Even Casey does not claim to have taken Caylee to the nanny's after 6-09-08. The last video of Caylee with her book was on 6-15-08.

From the 7-16-08 interview:

"BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: You remember the phone call you were telling us about?

CASEY ANTHONY: Uh-huh.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Is that true?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yes.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Did you actually talk with — what day was that you talked to her?

CASEY ANTHONY: Yesterday.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Do you know about what time of day?

CASEY ANTHONY: Around noon. It was from a private number.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: OK. What did she tell you? What did your daughter say to you?

CASEY ANTHONY: She said, Hi, Mommy.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: And that`s it?

CASEY ANTHONY: And she started telling me a story, talking to me about her shoes and books.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: It`s important that you tell me — I mean, maybe there`s something in what she said that can help us figure out where she is. What did she say?

CASEY ANTHONY: I tried to ask her where she was, and she just kept talking about the book that she`d been reading.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

CASEY ANTHONY: We have videos of her reading the story, and she`s telling me the story…


Hmmm, yep she knew she threw the book away with caylee. When did casey view that video from the nursing home?

[PROPROS]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?:rose:Beautiful post....I don't think a person ever gets over the loss of a child.mo

[5boxersmom]

Kathi Belich describes the area that Kiomarie took LE to as area B on this map (http://i263.photobucket.com/albums/ii124/steffenyb/kirk/AB.jpg). She said on ISSUES with JVM she had checked out that area Kiomarie talked about, by the dirt road. I don't think they are that close to each other.

Thank you for posting that. When I read Kiomaries statement I thought it was further up, closer to the school. I think the psychic's video showed the dirt road too.

Thanks again.

[Pebbles]

Thank's for telling me the details of your sons death I didn't want to ask because I feel it's very personal. I'm sure your son grabbed the hand of Caylee when she came up and is helping her understand she still has a voice and that her spirit will bring justice. Bless all of them.



Oh my gosh, what a lovely image. I never thought of that. Thank you! We talk to Timothy every evening before we go to sleep, I will ask him to take care of Caylee. Thank you again for such a beautiful memory!

[Ladyhawk]

Which I don't believe they will get immunity but with their attorney a couple weeks ago admitting that the A's were "inconsistent" in their previous interviews and now wanting immunity sets it up very nicely for them to plead the 5th. Like it will now be expected that they do where before everyone was waiting to see them on the stand. Now not so much.

I think they're pretty well sunk either way they go....if they take the 5th, the jury will assume they're lying and I believe their statements can still be entered into evidence and if they've lied in their statements and the prosecution can prove it, by taking the 5th leaves them no way to try and redeem their statements. Either way, it will not be helpful to Casey. Either way it hurts her case. If they get immunity from perjury regarding their statements, the jury will know that they lied (or they wouldn't get immunity) already so they're not going to believe their new story. Same thing if they get immunity from the hairbrush incident.....the jury will know what they did.

I wish their lawyer would say what they want immunity from....words or actions.

[daHawg]

Hmmm, yep she knew she threw the book away with caylee. When did casey view that video from the nursing home?

When Casey's myspace was public on the videos it showed the video as being uploaded on 6-15 which I at the time thought was strange if there was fighting going on and all at the house when Cindy returned and Casey ended up leaving why did she have the time and all to upload that video on her myspace page.

[Leanne Weich]

Katt you know I respect your opinions and I too have sympathy for the A's.

I do believe that George knew in his heart that Caylee was gone when he first smelled the car and found out Caylee was missing. He practically told LE that in his interview.

I don't know what happened after that unless it was a last ditch attempt to try and protect Cindy or if he felt guilt or what. I do believe he told the GJ the truth, and it helped to get the indictment of Casey.

I can't imagine how hard that had to be for him and I've often thought of the horror of knowing that what he smelled and cleaned from the car was the fluids from Caylee's decomposing body.

The only way I can think of it is a living nightmare from which they will never awaken from.

For that, I have sympathy and much pity for them. I do believe they should just tell the truth now and let the consequences happen. It will be the only way they might even begin to heal from this.

:sad:

ITA with you. I have sympathy for Cindy only as a grandmother who has also lost a granddaughter and knows how horrendously difficult it is to come to terms with but, with George, I feel extreme sympathy as I believe he is co-dependent on Cindy and has gone along with her demands, to his own detriment. I think he probably feels he failed Casey along the way too if his inability to hold down a job is true. George, to me, appeared to always be uncomfortable when discussing Casey and Caylee being missing, unlike Cindy who appeared very comfortable and confident that everyone would fall for her BS hook, line and sinker.

They say confession is good for the soul and, imo, the best new year's resolution the Anthonys (all of them) could make would be to tell the whole truth, face the consequences and then try to lead as normal a life as possible thereafter.

[marshmallow]

Hmmm, yep she knew she threw the book away with caylee. When did casey view that video from the nursing home?


makes you wonder where the shoes are since Casey made a point of mentioning both the book and the shoes.

[Kara]

As i have said before and had to hide because i said it..
I think george's deceit has been to protect cindy...I believe he knew from the start after finding that car, and that he and lee believed cindy was so fragile that they were responsible for her.

even to the interview where george asks LE that if they see it going that way to give him a heads up because it would kill his wife.

I think he was swayed on occassion because he wanted to think she was alive and his thots were like a yo-yo...because from the videos I saw of him with casey, I think he believed she would have to break when talking about caylee and the moon and the stars & the birthday. I noticed a vast difference in Casey and George when he was alone with her without Cindy.

They know Casey did it..by now

p.s. my statemnt about the ceremony was regarding casey's wedding that isn't real. some mistook a heading to mean there was one.I can only imagine the tug of war that must have occured for the Anthonys...logic and truth battling hope. Hope might be frail, but it's also hard to kill and keeps you going when logic dictates it's hopeless....

I feel incredibly sad for the senior Anthonys.

In regard to the thread title, I did have to look twice, but believing that Casey was to be wed was just too silly. :)

[Loves2Read]

I think they're pretty well sunk either way they go....if they take the 5th, the jury will assume they're lying and I believe their statements can still be entered into evidence and if they've lied in their statements and the prosecution can prove it, by taking the 5th leaves them no way to try and redeem their statements. Either way, it will not be helpful to Casey. Either way it hurts her case. If they get immunity from perjury regarding their statements, the jury will know that they lied (or they wouldn't get immunity) already so they're not going to believe their new story. Same thing if they get immunity from the hairbrush incident.....the jury will know what they did.

I wish their lawyer would say what they want immunity from....words or actions.

ITA I think you are right on the money here.

[Calla]

After some initial razzing from the inmates,she will program like everyone else. I have seen many child killers (here in california prisons) and they are adapting. Most of the female inmates hook up with a partner and they even join a "group" which includes a mother, sisters and yes...father and brother "figures". Women do not as a rule have as many "politics" as male inmates do. Even the Manson girls (at CIW) got along fine with the other inmates. There is a saying in prison...Do your own program and don't sweat mine!mo

yeah
my cousin..a female, is an inmate..unfortunately.

I'm familiar.

[MandyMia]

Hmmm, yep she knew she threw the book away with caylee. When did casey view that video from the nursing home?



ooooh that's true - Did Cindy show her that day when Casey came home - Cindy and Caylee were supposedly in the pool when Casey came and the find started shortly thereafter - wonder if there was a warm moment of Cindy asking is Casey would like to see video of her daughter reading to her grandpa she had stolen money from? I doubt it - but the timing could play a role - did Casey see it when Cindy was going thru videos to turn over to the police... that sounds more likely but then how would she have known to dump the book earlier than that? IMO

[5boxersmom]

Oh my gosh, what a lovely image. I never thought of that. Thank you! We talk to Timothy every evening before we go to sleep, I will ask him to take care of Caylee. Thank you again for such a beautiful memory!

:rose: You have a kind heart.

[RiverWalk]

Thanks River, if you have the time, since not much news is happening can you explain how to snip a quote. I've read the directions but each try shows up wrong. I've had to delete totally managled ones. This is for anyone feeling helpful. tia

Sure. Leave the Large QUOTE at the beginning and the end of a poster's quote. Anything inbetween is snippable; just leave the QUOTE.

IF you misquote, then delete the second NAME and continue on to fix it like I did yours.

"quote" this message and you will see before and ending QUOTE. Leave them there and snip away. Hope that helps.

[shelbar53]

When Casey's myspace was public on the videos it showed the video as being uploaded on 6-15 which I at the time thought was strange if there was fighting going on and all at the house when Cindy returned and Casey ended up leaving why did she have the time and all to upload that video on her myspace page.

thats why I asked, i thought when she got to the house there was a fight and she left. but if she left and went somewhere in her car could she have uploaded then? assuming she had a laptop with her. that evening and into the early morning hours of the 16th she was on the phone/texting with tony

[destiny1]

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Secret video in Caylee case? 2:37
Panelists on Headline News' Nancy Grace discuss whether or not there is secret video of the Caylee Anthony murder scene.
• Show Pages - Nancy Grace - CNN.com
• Public memorial service planned for Caylee - CNN.com

[legalmania]

over 53" of rain in the Orlando area in 2008. WOW. Lot of rain!! No wonder the "swamp" where the little body was finally found.

Hi friend.

And that book looked like it was almost new? Wonder how it survived? Now I know children's books have a special laminate on it, but it had to be knocked around and just soaked.

[Pebbles]

:rose: You have a kind heart.

Thank you 5boxersmom. Do you have boxers? My daughter has one, just wondering. I love them.


Time to get off of here, we are going to a neighbor's for a small New Year's Eve gathering.

Happy New Year everyone and thank you for your kind thoughts!

[MandyMia]

When Casey's myspace was public on the videos it showed the video as being uploaded on 6-15 which I at the time thought was strange if there was fighting going on and all at the house when Cindy returned and Casey ended up leaving why did she have the time and all to upload that video on her myspace page.


I was just trying to put that timeline together myself - and I didnt know about the myspace upload and the upload date - maybe she took the camera with her when she left that man in a huff....

[gaelicpeas]

That's why I really like this board (when no one's fighting and being mean) because I totally did no put that together - omg that's why she dumped the book with Caylee and told cops that story - man she was really make the loose ends all me and cover her butt imo she had a month to cover all this over and over in her head - she should fry imo imo

Yup, and I bet her shoes were found with the remains, too - since Casey said Caylee talked about the book and her shoes. JMO

[Ladyhawk]

Hi Ladyhawk,

Casey did not specify the video was from Fathers Day, however she did reference Caylee looking at the book was on video. My point was that even if LE did not know of the video at that time, Casey did. The 7-15-08 call was a fake. Even Casey does not claim to have taken Caylee to the nanny's after 6-09-08. The last video of Caylee with her book was on 6-15-08.

From the 7-16-08 interview:

"BEGIN AUDIO CLIP)
~~snip~~

CASEY ANTHONY: I tried to ask her where she was, and she just kept talking about the book that she`d been reading.

UNIDENTIFIED MALE: Right.

CASEY ANTHONY: We have videos of her reading the story, and she`s telling me the story…

Thank you so very much for digging this up...I totally missed the connection between the FD visit video and this. So we can take from this that Casey had seen the FD visit video to know Caylee was reading the book and that would mean that there was some time between Cindy returning from the ASL and whatever altercation she had with Casey occurred.

[shelbar53]

When Casey's myspace was public on the videos it showed the video as being uploaded on 6-15 which I at the time thought was strange if there was fighting going on and all at the house when Cindy returned and Casey ended up leaving why did she have the time and all to upload that video on her myspace page.

Or maybe cindy uploaded the video to the "shared" laptop and when casey left she took the laptop with her.

[PROPROS]

ITA I think you are right on the money here.ITA...words have wings and they fly...once they are free, you can't put them back in the cage....Up to this point C&G put alot of conviction into their words and actions...Let them stand by that conviction now. IMO, no immunity.

[shelbar53]

Ok all my fellow posters, im off to new years dinner, I wish everyone a Happy New Year. you all have made 2008 interesting to say the least, see you all next year and hoping for more fun banter and thoughtful insights and great sleuthing.

[MandyMia]

Yup, and I bet her shoes were found with the remains, too - since Casey said Caylee talked about the book and her shoes. JMO


Forgot about the shoes.... yeah she really went out of her way to be very clear on that fake call that was never made to her the day Cindy called the cops - she had a long time to come up with tons of stories - she should have done a better job after a month to put it all together imo

[PROPROS]

yeah
my cousin..a female, is an inmate..unfortunately.

I'm familiar.I hope it is not for something too terrible...and I hope she takes advantage of the programs that are offered. mo

[MandyMia]

Here's a thought. I can just imagine how jealous Casey was with Cindy and George giving that book to Caylee. I think this was one of Casey's books as a child (since someone posted that the year of publication was the same year as Casey's birth), and the idea that they just gave this book to Caylee, now Caylee is the Princess, no longer Casey, just added fuel to the fires of jealousy already burning in Casey. So she throws Caylee inside a plastic garbage bag (how freudian is that) and then tosses the book too. What better way to flip the bird to her parents and the little snot head Caylee all in one fell swope.



Totally got a chill up my spin and a mmmmmm hmmmm in my head as I read that

[5boxersmom]

On that map, if you look just to the left of the words Suburban Drive you will see Hopespring Drive. You can count 7 houses there, the A's were about 15 houses down so their back yard is probably backing up to that clearing at the bottom center of the photo.

I counted the houses before you told me to. :thumbsup: GM and all of that. LOL

Peebles , I sent you a pm.

[RiverWalk]

And that book looked like it was almost new? Wonder how it survived? Now I know children's books have a special laminate on it, but it had to be knocked around and just soaked.

It had to have been through a lot. I have my son's 36 year old (laminated, chewed on, oatmeal smeared, peed on, left in the car at 110º, went through a flood for 6 days, lost in my ex-husband's attic for YEARS, Cloroxed, etc. book that he's now reading AGAIN to his daughter). Mine looks pretty good after all of 36 years of that abuse. :blink:

[nc1948]

It doesn't matter when you or I, or anyone else, thinks it should happen. That decision is up to her family members, not us. I feel it will occur at a time the Anthony's feel it is appropriate. And thats good enough for me.

Yes it is the decision of the House of Anthony as to when and where they deal with Caylees remains. We will just have to leave it up to them because we have no say in what they do. There decisions up to this point have been so appropriate, I am sure they will handle it with dignity. (all donations accepted)

[kaelieanne]

I don't think anyone on this board could make up anything more bizzar than the Anthony's have come up with.

Isn't that the truth. :ohmy:

[marshmallow]

Ok all my fellow posters, im off to new years dinner, I wish everyone a Happy New Year. you all have made 2008 interesting to say the least, see you all next year and hoping for more fun banter and thoughtful insights and great sleuthing.

be safe Shelbar, have fun!

[RiverWalk]

That is average for Florida.

Not according to the news that Cury posted. Go back and watch/listen and from what I googled.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Lawyer Wants Immunity For Caylee’s Grandparents
Baez was looking for a special master to sit in on any questioning between investigators and a man he hired to look for Casey's daughter, Caylee, after Casey was first arrested earlier this year.
...
However, the judge said he won't rule on the issue out of court, and there will need to be a hearing.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l

[destiny1]

I Tried to post a link to the cnn video about the video that was associated with those Lennyisms last night, but for some reason, my computer is doing strange things.

[5boxersmom]

It had to have been through a lot. I have my son's 36 year old (laminated, chewed on, oatmeal smeared, peed on, left in the car at 110º, went through a flood for 6 days, lost in my ex-husband's attic for YEARS, Cloroxed, etc. book that he's now reading AGAIN to his daughter). Mine looks pretty good after all of 36 years of that abuse. :blink:

Yep, I have some older ones too. They last forever. That book may have been in a backpack in the garbage bag for all we know.

jmo

[Daffodil]

When Casey's myspace was public on the videos it showed the video as being uploaded on 6-15 which I at the time thought was strange if there was fighting going on and all at the house when Cindy returned and Casey ended up leaving why did she have the time and all to upload that video on her myspace page.

That's a real good point. Remember how important "appearances" are to this family.

[PolyGraph]

I was just reading all the tips in the documents files and most are all psychic tips, none of which come close to where caylees body was found, however, there is one on there that seems highly credible just a woman who doesnt seem like she is trying to get recognition, in fact she asks if her name can remain annonymous that is why I wont say it on here, just amazing that there is like one real psychic to the hundreds that called in tips. craziness...

[PROPROS]

Ok all my fellow posters, im off to new years dinner, I wish everyone a Happy New Year. you all have made 2008 interesting to say the least, see you all next year and hoping for more fun banter and thoughtful insights and great sleuthing.Happy New Year....!!:thumbsup:

[gaelicpeas]

Forgot about the shoes.... yeah she really went out of her way to be very clear on that fake call that was never made to her the day Cindy called the cops - she had a long time to come up with tons of stories - she should have done a better job after a month to put it all together imo

I agree. You would think she would have a better story to tell. Which is why I think the whole thing is hinky. This is what I think: the story was concocted by all of them, and no one thought LE would check out her "job" and all that because Cindy and George backed up that part of the story, along with their backing up the nanny story. JMO

[RiverWalk]

Got a date. I'll leave with this video of Dr. G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLD4VDpCKkU

FOR CAYLEE.

There is no 2nd autopsy. She was just skeletal remains. Bury the child.

[MandyMia]

I was just reading all the tips in the documents files and most are all psychic tips, none of which come close to where caylees body was found, however, there is one on there that seems highly credible just a woman who doesnt seem like she is trying to get recognition, in fact she asks if her name can remain annonymous that is why I wont say it on here, just amazing that there is like one real psychic to the hundreds that called in tips. craziness...


I'd like to read it - what doc tip file can that be found?

[5boxersmom]

According to this site the total rainfall in 2007 was only 34.37 inches.

Almost 20 inches more in 2008.


http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm

[Daffodil]

I was just trying to put that timeline together myself - and I didnt know about the myspace upload and the upload date - maybe she took the camera with her when she left that man in a huff....

Maybe it was Cindy who uploaded it?

[PROPROS]

Got a date. I'll leave with this video of Dr. G.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CLD4VDpCKkU

FOR CAYLEE.

There is no 2nd autopsy. She was just skeletal remains. Bury the child.
Happy New Year!!

[Carol25]

Hi! I just got on the board for today and there is no links thread, so I thought I would just put thois out there in case there is anyone who hasn't seen these news items.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l)

Judge wants an open court hearing about a special master. Should be interesting to hear Baez try to explain just what he doesn’t want the Private Investigator talk about.


http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)

The Anthony’s are considering to give investigators information the PI gave them after working with Baez. Now we know how DC knew where the body was. And the Anthony’s knew. And nobody went to get her.

[kaelieanne]

As some posters already know, my husband and I lost our son over forty years ago to cancer, he was 3 years old. I guess that is why this case causes so much pain for me. My husband and I are in our early seventies, we have seven adult children, seven grandchildren and one great grandchild, but Timothy (our son) is never far from our thoughts, even today.

The one thing I want from all of this, is for little Caylee to receive justice, and I pray everyday that everyone involved in this case will take a step back and remember this is all about a little girl who didn't get a chance at life. Everyone seems to be so busy protecting themselves, Caylee will never have that chance!

All these "little games" being played by these "big adults", can't someone just say enough of this nonsense, let's respect Caylee and her short life on this earth. Even little Caylee put her great grandfather before her own happiness, remember "are you tired pa pa"? The A's were right, she was a very bright little girl, why don't you follow her example?

I'm so sorry you and your husband went through this, Pebbles. I have a Timothy too. He's 16 and at that age where I want to scream, but reading your post makes me want to hug the stuffing out of him.

And yes, I fully agree that little Caylee deserves justice. Everyone is out to protect his or her own hide and they're forgetting the sweet little girl that they failed to protect.

My hugs to you, Pebbs.

Annie

[PolyGraph]

I'd like to read it - what doc tip file can that be found? Hi Mandy, HERE http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346658E IS THE LINK.
I read it somewhere in the middle of the TIP documents let me go find it for you hold on....:thumbsup:

[legalmania]

Yes it is the decision of the House of Anthony as to when and where they deal with Caylees remains. We will just have to leave it up to them because we have no say in what they do. There decisions up to this point have been so appropriate, I am sure they will handle it with dignity. (all donations accepted)

I know the people who make the books make them to take abuse because kids throw them chew them tear them up but to go through a strong storm of almost hurricane force and sit in standing water for months. I would like to see if it was just the outside of the book or the whole book.

[daHawg]

Maybe it was Cindy who uploaded it?But it was on Casey's myspace not Cindy's. It just seems strange and I wonder if that was the day that it was actually recorded or if it was recorded on the 9th and uploaded on the 15th. Did LE check the camera for the date or did they get that date off of the myspace page?
I can't remember if they actually checked the camera.

[MandyMia]

I agree. You would think she would have a better story to tell. Which is why I think the whole thing is hinky. This is what I think: the story was concocted by all of them, and no one thought LE would check out her "job" and all that because Cindy and George backed up that part of the story, along with their backing up the nanny story. JMO


I don't think George, with his LE background would have had anything to do with a story that bad - he would know they would investigate every part of ALL of their lives once they were called to a child kidnapping! IMO I think Casey always got away with stupid lies with her parents she naturally thought the police would believe her and not do the checking up they did... also she got over on a few Police Officers in her day - she "dated" what 3? that came forword - I think she thought she'd bat her eyes and show her cleavage and they would think poor grieving hot mama! IMO IMO who really knows what made her think they wouldn't check to see if she had a job or go to the apt and find it vacant and so on and so on - none of it makes much sense.... plus one of the first visits Casey has with her Mom in jail she is double talkin - lyin up a storm and Cindy never calls her on it - it's blantant - I'll find it someone posted it here earlier today ... IMO IMO IMO

[PolyGraph]

ok mandy that was on the tip documents number 10, just read a few and you will konw exactly which one Im talking about, the resemblance to the scene is uncanny...see for yourself!!!

[shelkobe]

I am a day behind on posts, as usual, but could someone give me a New Year's present by PMing me the link to the photo of Casey and Lee that was mentioned over and over in yesterday's thread? I've reached the point where I can't ignore the fact that I haven't seen it (or maybe I have and it just wasn't significant to me.)

I will be ever so grateful.:w00t:

[MandyMia]

Hi Mandy, HERE http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346658E IS THE LINK.
I read it somewhere in the middle of the TIP documents let me go find it for you hold on....:thumbsup:

Thank you so much Ms. Graph - I'm always on the fence about that stuff but I find it so interesting ... here's one from earlier you might like if you didn't already read it...

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=306247503&blogID=456420348

[gaelicpeas]

I don't think George, with his LE background would have had anything to do with a story that bad - he would know they would investigate every part of ALL of their lives once they were called to a child kidnapping! IMO I think Casey always got away with stupid lies with her parents she naturally thought the police would believe her and not do the checking up they did... also she got over on a few Police Officers in her day - she "dated" what 3? that came forword - I think she thought she'd bat her eyes and show her cleavage and they would think poor grieving hot mama! IMO IMO who really knows what made her think they wouldn't check to see if she had a job or go to the apt and find it vacant and so on and so on - none of it makes much sense.... plus one of the first visits Casey has with her Mom in jail she is double talkin - lyin up a storm and Cindy never calls her on it - it's blantant - I'll find it someone posted it here earlier today ... IMO IMO IMO

You could be right... but then again, I have always had the theory that Cindy (and possibly George, but not so much) was involved in much more than just covering up after the fact. But, JMO, and I could certainly be wrong!

[MandyMia]

ok mandy that was on the tip documents number 10, just read a few and you will konw exactly which one Im talking about, the resemblance to the scene is uncanny...see for yourself!!!



All very spooky - I remember when I first read all of those I said one of these visions is going to turn out to be really close - but with all of them how would you know which one... I was gonna go back if they ever found the body and read all of those - that will be my reading tonight thx for looking that up!

[PolyGraph]

Hi! I just got on the board for today and there is no links thread, so I thought I would just put thois out there in case there is anyone who hasn't seen these news items.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l)

Judge wants an open court hearing about a special master. Should be interesting to hear Baez try to explain just what he doesn’t want the Private Investigator talk about.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)

The Anthony’s are considering to give investigators information the PI gave them after working with Baez. Now we know how DC knew where the body was. And the Anthony’s knew. And nobody went to get her. we wish. unfortunately the attorney for the anthonys stated in that article that the 'information' the anthonys would give if they had immunity would NOT be something that would have landed them in legal trouble, so i doubt they were going to say they knew where the body was, however it is extremely weird that the investigator knew just where to film in the first place....I dont believe he just went around willy nilly filming places...there must have been SOME reason he went there right?

[impartial]

I can't find anything in those links that says the A's knew where Caylee was or that DC knew either, am I going to the right links.



The purpose of DC's videotape is to show the bag/body wasn't there in November. Now, if the tape showed the bag/body was there, then it would be safe to presume that DC knew where Caylee was.

I'm sure that one of the reasons the investigators want to talk to DC, and view his recordings, is they are doing their own administrative investigation as to why during August nothing was found.

They have KioMarie telling them to look there. They have had cadaver dogs out there before August. They have St. John out there with her dog. They have at least 2 officers clear the area in August. And they have the woman who volunteered with TES say she has pictures showing nothing was there during their searches.

They need to investigate all of this fully, they will be facing these questions at trial.

IMO

[MandyMia]

You could be right... but then again, I have always had the theory that Cindy (and possibly George, but not so much) was involved in much more than just covering up after the fact. But, JMO, and I could certainly be wrong!


I could totally see Cindy helping Casey with a messed up story like she gave, but if Casey let Cindy in on anything it was way after that phone call to LE Cindy made and by then the story had already begun..........
imo

[PolyGraph]

All very spooky - I remember when I first read all of those I said one of these visions is going to turn out to be really close - but with all of them how would you know which one... I was gonna go back if they ever found the body and read all of those - that will be my reading tonight thx for looking that up!yeah did you find the one im talking about yet? pm me if you want, to protect privacy of that author

[MandyMia]

Okay so let me get this straight. The Anthony's are willing to tell the police the information that the private investigators got from Baez, but Baez wants to stifle the private investigator from talking directly to the police. So then he could have whatever the Anthony's tell police, thrown out in court for being hearsay thus maintaining the secret that everyone and their brother knew where the rotting body of a 2 year old child was while the rest of the world searched in vain for a kidnapped child. Okay, then.


Sick and Twisted are not strangers to this saga............

[PolyGraph]

The purpose of DC's videotape is to show the bag/body wasn't there in November. Now, if the tape showed the bag/body was there, then it would be safe to presume that DC knew where Caylee was.

I'm sure that one of the reasons the investigators want to talk to DC, and view his recordings, is they are doing their own administrative investigation as to why during August nothing was found.

They have KioMarie telling them to look there. They have had cadaver dogs out there before August. They have St. John out there with her dog. They have at least 2 officers clear the area in August. And they have the woman who volunteered with TES say she has pictures showing nothing was there during their searches.

They need to investigate all of this fully, they will be facing these questions at trial.

IMO

but many persons were saying this area was under water with lal the rain, and speaking of krunk (csp) he apparently will tell his story to an interview just like I said before, I still am not happy with him and Ill explain why again, because number one he knew there might have been a body there and did not seem to do enough about this, and number two, am I the only person alive that thinks his joking on the 911 calls and laughing is COMPLETELY innapropriate in a case like this????

[Barbara fl.]

Gonna have to back you up on that- there are some seriously creepy things down here. IMO-


Talk about roaches...these thing took steroids and grew wings.....My granddaughetr picks them up and I go crazy...She is not afraid of any bug out there......

[MandyMia]

Maybe it was Cindy who uploaded it?



I don't know how Cindy could have gotten onto Casey's myspace... was that where it was uploaded to? Casey's accounts all had password Lee had to get from her to shut down when all this happend IIRC

I've learned to end my thoughts with "anything is possible in this case" lately

[Barbara fl.]

Is 14 years pretty fast?

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/oth/deathrow/#Statistics

Active Death Row Population Information (on 5/13/08)
14.0 years is the average length of stay for current Death Row population.
45.16 years is the average age of inmates on Death Row.
29.09 years is the average age at the time of offense. This is the current population's average age at the time of the offense.


It will probably go fast for the one thats getting the DP...But I doubt that she will...unless the results show something real bad....

[RN_WV]

Hi! I just got on the board for today and there is no links thread, so I thought I would just put thois out there in case there is anyone who hasn't seen these news items.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l)

Judge wants an open court hearing about a special master. Should be interesting to hear Baez try to explain just what he doesn’t want the Private Investigator talk about.


http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)

The Anthony’s are considering to give investigators information the PI gave them after working with Baez. Now we know how DC knew where the body was. And the Anthony’s knew. And nobody went to get her.

??Grieving grandparents?? Sickening!

[PolyGraph]

Okay it says right at the bottom of the article "An attorney for George and Cindy Anthony they are considering giving investigators access to information Casey gathered after splitting with Baez in October and working for the Anthonys since that time.

In a phone conversation Tuesday, Casey said he is willing to answer investigators' questions. "

I think it is implied that the information that this Casey guy got from Baez was that they knew exactly where Caylee's remains were (and possibly knew someone moved the body) long long long before it was ever discovered by the meter reader. If the investigator is willing to answer questions and it comes directly from him, they can use it in court. If it comes from the Anthony's via the investigator it could possibly be thrown out as hearsay unless the investigator corroborates. If these people knew where the body was, it links Casey directly to the murder since the murderer would be the only one that knew the wherabouts of the remains. The only defense Casey would have to that is if she were to fabricate another lie that Zanni the Nanny called her on the phone and told her where the body was, which would be blown out of the water because there is no freaking Nanny! If we really think about this it doesnt make sense. Ill tell you why, do you remember what the THICK brush looks like in those crime scene pics??? could you imagine anyone being able to film that area and unless they were dead upon the site and filming at that exact point, how could they say for certain there was nothing there when they were filming??? I believe that guy dc did NOT see anything because the bag was under water or partially burried untill the animals dragged it out. that would explain why NO ONE else has seen anything. I find it hard to believe that he could have filmed that EXACT spot through all of that thick brush. and think about this, if you were the investigator or related to the anthonies in anyway would you seriously do something as nutty as moving the body??? i dont think the body was moved at all unless moved by casey herself, and being under the costant survelience that she was under I highly doubt that occured. MOO

[Neffy]

Gonna have to back you up on that- there are some seriously creepy things down here. IMO-

Not to mention the upright two legged ones you got down there.

[Reenbean]

Okay so let me get this straight. The Anthony's are willing to tell the police the information that the private investigators got from Baez, but Baez wants to stifle the private investigator from talking directly to the police. So then he could have whatever the Anthony's tell police, thrown out in court for being hearsay thus maintaining the secret that everyone and their brother knew where the rotting body of a 2 year old child was while the rest of the world searched in vain for a kidnapped child. Okay, then.

It's quite horrifying actually. The callousness, the sheer coldness of this family, the extremes they will go to (and have gone to) all to save thier own skin.... just flips me out. Where is Caylee in any of that?!!:cursing:

[starling]

Hi! I just got on the board for today and there is no links thread, so I thought I would just put thois out there in case there is anyone who hasn't seen these news items.

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l)

Judge wants an open court hearing about a special master. Should be interesting to hear Baez try to explain just what he doesn’t want the Private Investigator talk about.


http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)

The Anthony’s are considering to give investigators information the PI gave them after working with Baez. Now we know how DC knew where the body was. And the Anthony’s knew. And nobody went to get her.

This time I think bounty hunter Padilla was telling the truth when he said a few days
BEFORE the body was found:
something like: don't be surprized if they(defense) have the body somewhere...
Nancy cut to something else but my mouth was hanging open that night! JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Well.....Everyone have a great New Year and stay safe.....be talking to you again in 2009.....(If you know who is willing).....




Don't drink too much and don't drive unless you have to and if you have to then don't drink......


Everyone take care.......

[PolyGraph]

It sounds to me like he might be friends with Lee. (Anyone recall Lee in the interview with police, laughing when he was talking about the stench in the back of his sister's car (and here's another thing. He adds "...which was the first time I smelled it". Who asked him that? Liars love to add things. TMI if you ask me.) Inappropriate laughing and this to me is not nervous laughing. This is like I'm feeding you a line of horseplop and you are buying into it....hahahahahaha. yeah true and that guy krunk sounded more like he was not nervous at all, just trying to sound almost like he was kewl or something, he was like "oh not if there is a dead body in it laugh laugh" and then his rambling when he was looking on his gps like 'do ta do ta do' or whatever that ticked me off. It was like he was calling in looking for his darn donuts or what not. I dont know maybe that s just his personality but I didnt like it MOO

[PolyGraph]

Well.....Everyone have a great New Year and stay safe.....be talking to you again in 2009.....(If you know who is willing).....




Don't drink too much and don't drive unless you have to and if you have to then don't drink......


Everyone take care.......

Happy New Years!! Im not drinking or driving lol, staying at home with kiddies and watching ball drop on tv...roads bad here and hate being away from my kids, I love them so much:loveeyes:

[Reenbean]

but many persons were saying this area was under water with lal the rain, and speaking of krunk (csp) he apparently will tell his story to an interview just like I said before, I still am not happy with him and Ill explain why again, because number one he knew there might have been a body there and did not seem to do enough about this, and number two, am I the only person alive that thinks his joking on the 911 calls and laughing is COMPLETELY innapropriate in a case like this????

No you're not alone in thinking this. It's just WAY too weird that he called the tip in August THREE times, only to "stumble" upon the remains when he went to "relieve" himself 4 months later. The whole thing stinks big time.

[Reenbean]

Well.....Everyone have a great New Year and stay safe.....be talking to you again in 2009.....(If you know who is willing).....




Don't drink too much and don't drive unless you have to and if you have to then don't drink......


Everyone take care.......


Have a safe and happy one Barb!!

[MandyMia]

Lest we not forget the collection of public donations that were coming in from everywhere and a certain family acting like they hit the lottery on that one! Me thinks the "mysterious millionaire" that is paying for the defense dream team is none other than Cindy Anthony herself.


I was asking earlier how the heck are they making it ? George said he was back working in security at Universal IIRC but they couldn't make it on his pay with all the financial troubles they were already in - hmmmm I need to find that article on looking into misappropriated donations I read a couples days ago... Let me look


IMO

[MandyMia]

Well.....Everyone have a great New Year and stay safe.....be talking to you again in 2009.....(If you know who is willing).....




Don't drink too much and don't drive unless you have to and if you have to then don't drink......


Everyone take care.......


Have a very safe holiday and a very prosperous New Year Barb!!:seeya:

[gaelicpeas]

I could totally see Cindy helping Casey with a messed up story like she gave, but if Casey let Cindy in on anything it was way after that phone call to LE Cindy made and by then the story had already begun..........
imo

Possibly, but I think that call was staged. JMO

Remember on the first LKL show that Cindy was on? And she really wanted LKL to show all THREE 911 calls, and how upset she got that he only played the last one? It was very odd - to me, it appeared to be an "over-explanation", something that Casey and IMO this whole family do way too much.

[Reenbean]

Okay I'm lost with this. What did he mean by this or what was he implying? Is he saying that someone connected to Casey moved the body there after rains subsided? I swear this guy knows everything and he is dying to spill.

Well Lenny mentioned on NG (last night or the night before) that DC told him Hoover called him and said Caylee is dead and they have to go get her. What the heck does that mean? Was he implying the PI's knew where her body was way before Kronk "found" her?? All the innuendos just make ya nuts. We just wanna know Lenny!!

[PolyGraph]

No you're not alone in thinking this. It's just WAY too weird that he called the tip in August THREE times, only to "stumble" upon the remains when he went to "relieve" himself 4 months later. The whole thing stinks big time. i mean he could have thought the police would have looked into it but wouldnt it drive you absolutely NUTSO if you did not know for sure, and the 911 calls make me mad, listen to them, im serious, he sounds like hes talking about finding a bag of donuts...serously

[gaelicpeas]

Talk about roaches...these thing took steroids and grew wings.....My granddaughetr picks them up and I go crazy...She is not afraid of any bug out there......

lmao! Those are palmetto bugs.... big, black roaches about 1.5 to 2 inches long, and you're right, they can fly!

[shelkobe]

I have the pic now thank you!

I don't think that's Lee though. Has that been discussed? I realize I am behind, but I would bet money that that was not Lee in that photo.

[PROPROS]

Lest we not forget the collection of public donations that were coming in from everywhere and a certain family acting like they hit the lottery on that one! Me thinks the "mysterious millionaire" that is paying for the defense dream team is none other than Cindy Anthony herself.I agree...I have never believed that an anonoymous donor was paying for Caseys defense.mo

[cloe23]

Lawyer Wants Immunity For Caylee’s Grandparents
Baez was looking for a special master to sit in on any questioning between investigators and a man he hired to look for Casey's daughter, Caylee, after Casey was first arrested earlier this year.
...
However, the judge said he won't rule on the issue out of court, and there will need to be a hearing.
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/31/lawyer_wants_immunity_for_caylees_grandparents.htm l

IMO the only safe guard that the grandparents would get would be to not have to admit that Casey ripped them off.

Suppose that they are circling the drain and Cindy is asking this one last thing from them? I don't have all the information here, but anyone with even 1/8 of a brain would leave these ppl alone. JMO
IIRC their only involvement in this case is being a victim, why the need for immunity? How would not admitting that Casey didn't steal from them help at all?:blink:
The A's appear to still be protecting Casey, just odd.
IMO they are running scarred or they wouldn't be acting like they are.

[Reenbean]

i mean he could have thought the police would have looked into it but wouldnt it drive you absolutely NUTSO if you did not know for sure, and the 911 calls make me mad, listen to them, im serious, he sounds like hes talking about finding a bag of donuts...serously


Oh I agree, and laughing about if a corpse is found. Where is there humor in that?! Maybe he's just plain stupid really, no social skills?! Either way it's strange.

[5boxersmom]

Well Lenny mentioned on NG (last night or the night before) that DC told him Hoover called him and said Caylee is dead and they have to go get her. What the heck does that mean? Was he implying the PI's knew where her body was way before Kronk "found" her?? All the innuendos just make ya nuts. We just wanna know Lenny!!

Or did they go get her and move her to the wooden area? :scared:

[PolyGraph]

I don't think Casey buried the body but rather layed it in a shallow grave. Reason being I think she desperately wanted the police to find the body (spite work against her mother) and that is the reason why she was sniding that the police have not even found the clothes yet, way back in August. I do believe that the body could have been moved and if it was, then I think that she sent Lee to do the dirty work while she was in jail, reason being in the taped conversation between her and Lee she is clearly talking in code telling him about a place which is familiar to her and to a friend. The first thing that comes to my mind is Kiomarie and those woods. Now either she is telling him to put the body there or that this is where he can find the body. Being under constant survellence, all eyes on Casey and nobody watching Lee. Where was Lee for the time he went missing? And more importantly what was he doing?

Of course, my theory doesn't hold too much water. Anything is possible in this bizarre case. no actually that could have been, I couldnt see anyone taking a crazy chance like that...eyes were on lee too, unless he is a complete moron i doubt he would have done that. but one never knows, from what his uncle said about him, lee was the only one in the family that was good hearted, and he seems like the only one in the immediate family that is not in complete denial MOO

[PolyGraph]

Like someone called him or spoke to him and said there's a bag in the woods behind the school where your regular beat is. You go and call the cops and tip them off. There's money in it for ya. Or something like that? omg....so true!!! could you imagine that?:ohmy:

[Kara]

LOL, Kara, we are on the same page, I did a double take when I first glanced the title. I thought Casey had *wed*.
I'm up and down with cooking dinner/eating dinner, so hopefully I haven't miss ya!

I just wanted to say hi and wish you a happy new year!

[gaelicpeas]

If we really think about this it doesnt make sense. Ill tell you why, do you remember what the THICK brush looks like in those crime scene pics???

(respecfully snipped)

ITA. Casey and her friend KioMarie used to hang in out in these woods, just a couple of blocks away. There are probably paths through the thick underbrush, and these paths lead to high spots, partially cleared, where they used to hang out. The rest of it is very thick, swampy, full of snakes, palmetto bugs, banana spiders, wolf spiders, lizards, mosquitos, and who knows what else. No one searches that kind of area in the rainy season.

JMO

[?noanswer]

Well they have to do a 2nd autopsy, or at least pour through the ME's
report. They have to hope to find something missed or done improperly,
that is one of their few chances to cloud what actually happened.

Dr. Perper was on NG or GVS. He said there are not enough remains to do an autopsy, just the bones. He said the Defense would be better off not to do anything else, since the ME did not find anything to indicate cause of death. If the Defense finds anything, they would have to turn it over to Prosecution. I think they are blowing smoke and waiting for the ME's paperwork. JMO

[PolyGraph]

That's what I make of it. That they went to get her and moved her to the wooded area and then perhaps contacted the meter reader and paid him tip off the cops. But something went wrong and the cops didn't respond quick enough and then he goes back and voila the bag is still there this time he has to get them to come so he says that he found a human skull. Cha Ching. Does that hold water? but remember in the 911 calls he states he doesnt want to call tip line because he is a utility employee remember? so i am assuming (and you know what that does lol) that he is not trying to get a tip..but u never know. he certainly laughs and jokes enough...

[cloe23]

Okay so that's it? I'm here all alone? Where did everybody go?:confused:

I'm here. Maybe pm'ing and all that garb?

[PolyGraph]

ITA. Casey and her friend KioMarie used to hang in out in these woods, just a couple of blocks away. There are probably paths through the thick underbrush, and these paths lead to high spots, partially cleared, where they used to hang out. The rest of it is very thick, swampy, full of snakes, palmetto bugs, banana spiders, wolf spiders, lizards, mosquitos, and who knows what else. No one searches that kind of area in the rainy season.

JMO exactly.:thumbup:

[PolyGraph]

Oh I agree, and laughing about if a corpse is found. Where is there humor in that?! Maybe he's just plain stupid really, no social skills?! Either way it's strange. for some reason, he remind s me of my selfish ex who couldnt care less if there was a dead body in the woods, he would react the same darn way...ticks me off really....

[legalmania]

I just moved here six months ago and have no parties and really don't feel like a celebration will help me since the economy is so bad and a little girl is not at peace so I'll be playing tunes for Caylee all night long.

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[5boxersmom]

That's what I make of it. That they went to get her and moved her to the wooded area and then perhaps contacted the meter reader and paid him tip off the cops. But something went wrong and the cops didn't respond quick enough and then he goes back and voila the bag is still there this time he has to get them to come so he says that he found a human skull. Cha Ching. Does that hold water?

And maybe he thought he could remain anonymous(sp)?

[PolyGraph]

No. No. No. No. Eyes were not on Lee. At the time, Lee was supposed to be "investigating" and helping the police. This conversation happened back when she was arrested and right around that first phone call to her mother when she was screaming about getting arrested on a whim. That was early on in the game. No eyes were on Lee. This is why Lee was able to give everyone the slip as he did with everyone else asking where is Lee. His absense was only noticed weeks after he went missing. As for that last sentence about Lee being good hearted all I have to say is CHAMELION just like his sister.well that is true no one knew where he was...however I still dont know if he would be that dumb (he doesnt strike me as dumb as someone else we all know) to move the bod.

[ccat]

This time I think bounty hunter Padilla was telling the truth when he said a few days
BEFORE the body was found:
something like: don't be surprized if they(defense) have the body somewhere...
Nancy cut to something else but my mouth was hanging open that night! JMO
Yes, mine too! I remember thinking Padilla knew something. Most of the time I found him less than credible, but that night (it was the day before Caylee was found) - he sounded CERTAIN. It made me feel as though it was already known. That's why the find seemed odd.
Don't get me wrong, I certainly think Casey killed her, but the finding of the body seemed staged.

[PolyGraph]

I just moved here six months ago and have no parties and really don't feels like a celebration will help me since the economy is so bad and a little girl is not at peace so I'll be playing tunes for Caylee all night long.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Phil Coulter - In the Arms of an Angel (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/phil_coulter/track/in_the_arms_of_an_angel) awww lstening to that song makes me cry... how sweet:crying:

[101Spots]

But it was on Casey's myspace not Cindy's. It just seems strange and I wonder if that was the day that it was actually recorded or if it was recorded on the 9th and uploaded on the 15th. Did LE check the camera for the date or did they get that date off of the myspace page?
I can't remember if they actually checked the camera.

LE did check the camera and the home where Cindy's father lives and confirmed the date of the 15th.

I can easily see Cindy coming home with Caylee, giving Casey the camera to upload the video, having dinner with the family, putting Caylee to bed - and then all heck breaking loose. Cindy can't stand to have her image tarnished, and that would include her image in Caylee's eyes. I can see her waiting until Caylee was sleeping or at least out of earshot, giving plenty o time to do the camera thing.

Or not. I was wrong once in 1978.:biggrin:

[ccat]

I don't think Casey buried the body but rather layed it in a shallow grave. Reason being I think she desperately wanted the police to find the body (spite work against her mother) and that is the reason why she was sniding that the police have not even found the clothes yet, way back in August. I do believe that the body could have been moved and if it was, then I think that she sent Lee to do the dirty work while she was in jail, reason being in the taped conversation between her and Lee she is clearly talking in code telling him about a place which is familiar to her and to a friend. The first thing that comes to my mind is Kiomarie and those woods. Now either she is telling him to put the body there or that this is where he can find the body. Being under constant survellence, all eyes on Casey and nobody watching Lee. Where was Lee for the time he went missing? And more importantly what was he doing?

Of course, my theory doesn't hold too much water. Anything is possible in this bizarre case.

I wonder if that is when they gave each other that "high five". It was as if to say, "I took care of it."

[steffaroob4]

On WESH-Channel 2, attorney Brad Conway (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/we-end-the-year.html)said his clients George and Cindy Anthony will turn over any evidence, even if it's damaging to daughter Casey's case. Conway told Bob Kealing that law enforcement did not find duct tape in the Anthonys' home. Duct tape was reportedly found on Caylee's skull. "We are expecting many more developments in the coming weeks," Kealing said in ending his report.

[MandyMia]

No. No. No. No. Eyes were not on Lee. At the time, Lee was supposed to be "investigating" and helping the police. This conversation happened back when she was arrested and right around that first phone call to her mother when she was screaming about getting arrested on a whim. That was early on in the game. No eyes were on Lee. This is why Lee was able to give everyone the slip as he did with everyone else asking where is Lee. His absense was only noticed weeks after he went missing. As for that last sentence about Lee being good hearted all I have to say is CHAMELION just like his sister.



Lee lives close by too right? blocks away? houses away? Anyone know where his house is in relation to the "dump site" (hate the way that sounds)?

[cloe23]

but many persons were saying this area was under water with lal the rain, and speaking of krunk (csp) he apparently will tell his story to an interview just like I said before, I still am not happy with him and Ill explain why again, because number one he knew there might have been a body there and did not seem to do enough about this, and number two, am I the only person alive that thinks his joking on the 911 calls and laughing is COMPLETELY innapropriate in a case like this????

Maybe he had the same routine. Same coffee break, same route and same potty break? I haven't see the connection. I would think the FBI would be looking into this as well? So Kronk is smarter then they are?
I don't get it. Some ppl drive the same way to work each day, they see something odd, this doesn't make them guilty or involved.
I apologize I haven't hear the tapes, just the ones on TV.

[PolyGraph]

Okay I'm not sure what you are meaning by this "he is not trying to get a tip." :confused: What I am saying, bear with me Im ADHD and my mind flies faster than I type lol, what I am saying is that when he called in the first time, he mentioned to the intake worker that he found something in the caylee area and then the 911 worker told him to call in the tip line, and he said he did not want to call in on the tip line because he was a utility worker and I am assuming he thought he would not be eligible for a tip. (because that s what they are told by their company or something like that)

[Duckaroo]

It's just all a complete sick Circus, makes me want to scream at the top of my lungs and I'm a stranger. A precious baby dead, murdered at the hands of her own mother, then tossed away like a piece of trash, left to rot in the woods until nothing left but bones. Now what is left of this little body is lying in a morgue. All the adults in her life, those who were suppose to love her, the ones she..as a child, needed and depended on and loved unconditionally, along with the one that murdered her, have done nothing but run around, spun Bull, protected the very one that took her life, insulted those that tried to help find her and now..running around lawyer-ing up, asking for immunity to protect themselves..the very people that were suppose to take care of and protect her, WHERE was HER immunity from harm?? This wasn't some pet that wasn't taken care of properly then tossed away,..this was a child, a precious baby..their flesh and blood. This is all just so pathetically sad.:cuss:

[?noanswer]

I think you make sense. I believe if called they will plead the 5th, as is their right to do, unless they have the benefit of immunity.

They cannot take the 5th unless it would incriminate them. If they take the 5th on a question, it could look like they did something wrong. If they refuse to testify, they can be held in contempt of court. They can also be classified as a hostile witness. JMO

[cloe23]

Lee lives close by too right? blocks away? houses away? Anyone know where his house is in relation to the "dump site" (hate the way that sounds)?

Anyone have the video link of Lee visiting Casey in jail? I don't anymore.
He makes no eye contact per TV.
Did LE take dog's into Lee's back yard?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Possibly, but I think that call was staged. JMO

Remember on the first LKL show that Cindy was on? And she really wanted LKL to show all THREE 911 calls, and how upset she got that he only played the last one? It was very odd - to me, it appeared to be an "over-explanation", something that Casey and IMO this whole family do way too much.

I wonder about that also. Does anyone remember the call (was one of the first ones IIRC) where Casey says to Cindy that she saw her cameo appearance on television (think it was on GVS). Casey is mad and says to Cindy "you don't KNOW my involvement?" At the time I assumed Casey was mad because Cindy was doubting her, but since there are so many other questions now I am wondering if Casey was mad because Cindy full well knew the entire story and Casey knew that she knew it.

[kitty1182]

I heard she is getting married at the stroke of midnight to her pretend cellmates, Ben and Jerry. :tongue:



If I was one of her "used to be" friends, I would be clinking my glass and saying "happy new year and I hope to never meet another Casey"..

[MandyMia]

Anyone have the video link of Lee visiting Casey in jail? I don't anymore.
He makes no eye contact per TV.
Did LE take dog's into Lee's back yard?


This has everything! It's really well put together
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346658E

[playnice]

On WESH-Channel 2, attorney Brad Conway (http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/we-end-the-year.html)said his clients George and Cindy Anthony will turn over any evidence, even if it's damaging to daughter Casey's case. Conway told Bob Kealing that law enforcement did not find duct tape in the Anthonys' home. Duct tape was reportedly found on Caylee's skull. "We are expecting many more developments in the coming weeks," Kealing said in ending his report.

Good grief. He makes it sound like they are begging now. They must need immunity bad. sounds like this waiting to see what is going to happen is making them sweat. Maybe thats LE intent. Get them good and ready to spill.

[gaelicpeas]

I just moved here six months ago and have no parties and really don't feel like a celebration will help me since the economy is so bad and a little girl is not at peace so I'll be playing tunes for Caylee all night long.

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aww... been there and can empathize. So, just watch the ball drop at midnight and then call a very close relative or friend to share in the celebration!

[Reenbean]

Being New Year's Eve and all, I can't help but think how miserable Mother-of-the-Year is sitting in her cement box thinking about the party at Fusion!! I hope it's driving her bonkers~:lol:

[joolz]

Leonard Padilla said something very strange on Nancy yesterday. He said "the guys story doesn't pan. Why would he go to relieve himself in the woods when he has a friend that lives right on the block he could their bathroom?" This Padilla he knows something. Mark my words, before this case is over, Padilla is going to close the circle around this entire mystery and this daisy chain of his.



The same Len Padilla who bragged about how he could get Casey to tell him the truth if he paid her bail? The same one who sent divers into the Little Econ?

Come on, Padilla has been wrong as many times as he has been right. And as for the poor meter reader, I don't believe he is any more involved in this than any of us who obsess about it on the message boards. JMO

[kitty1182]

Being New Year's Eve and all, I can't help but think how miserable Mother-of-the-Year is sitting in her cement box thinking about the party at Fusion!! I hope it's driving her bonkers~:lol:



She has pop tarts..:tongue:

[cloe23]

They cannot take the 5th unless it would incriminate them. If they take the 5th on a question, it could look like they did something wrong. If they refuse to testify, they can be held in contempt of court. They can also be classified as a hostile witness. JMO

Not wanting to show my true colors but I would love to see the courts demolish the 5th.

[daHawg]

LE did check the camera and the home where Cindy's father lives and confirmed the date of the 15th.

I can easily see Cindy coming home with Caylee, giving Casey the camera to upload the video, having dinner with the family, putting Caylee to bed - and then all heck breaking loose. Cindy can't stand to have her image tarnished, and that would include her image in Caylee's eyes. I can see her waiting until Caylee was sleeping or at least out of earshot, giving plenty o time to do the camera thing.

Or not. I was wrong once in 1978.:biggrin:

Thanks, I agree with your scenario. I went back to the computer forensics report and it shows that was the date the pic was taken on the camera at 12:03 pm it also shows that it was uploaded to the laptop on June 17th at 3:28 pm and modified at 9:58 pm that same day. Now how the heck did she upload it to her myspace on June 15th. I am positive that is the date that showed on the video section of her myspace and even did a google search and found where people were talking about it being uploaded that day.

So now I am wondering what all her activities were on the 17th if she is uploading it to her laptop that day she had to have been home to access Cindy's camera. God this case can spin you around and around.

[legalmania]

This is for you Caylee there are so many people out there that you never knew, your mommy probably thought you to stay away from strangers however she never warned you about your worst enemy.

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[kitty1182]

The same Len Padilla who bragged about how he could get Casey to tell him the truth if he paid her bail? The same one who sent divers into the Little Econ?

Come on, Padilla has been wrong as many times as he has been right. And as for the poor meter reader, I don't believe he is any more involved in this than any of us who obsess about it on the message boards. JMO



IMO, the MR was where he was suppose to be..Maybe a Higher Power sent him there.....
God works in mysterious ways..

[playnice]

Maybe casey did some shopping today. Party favors on the list?

[impartial]

Leonard Padilla said something very strange on Nancy yesterday. He said "the guys story doesn't pan. Why would he go to relieve himself in the woods when he has a friend that lives right on the block he could their bathroom?" This Padilla he knows something. Mark my words, before this case is over, Padilla is going to close the circle around this entire mystery and this daisy chain of his.


Padilla is full of hot air. He has surmised that the body would be found in the Econ River (sp?), before that, the dumpster, before that, telling the kidnappers leave Caylee at the drugstore.

Padilla may be making a circle around himself ... a circle of detectives ... his making a statement that he was told they found a dead Caylee on November 15th, and didn't report that to LE? Now, that is obstruction of justice.

IMO

[ccat]

Being New Year's Eve and all, I can't help but think how miserable Mother-of-the-Year is sitting in her cement box thinking about the party at Fusion!! I hope it's driving her bonkers~:lol:
She's probably thinking about how much fun she is going to have when she gets out, because she thinks she'll get away with this. She has been able to get away with things all her life, why should this be different?

[101Spots]

This whole case makes me feel slimy. I'm of to the shower.

BBL.

[RN_WV]

Good grief. He makes it sound like they are begging now. They must need immunity bad. sounds like this waiting to see what is going to happen is making them sweat. Maybe thats LE intent. Get them good and ready to spill.

Oh just great. So NOW The Family will turn over evidence. I say they're a day late and a dollar short. They would have carried out this charade forever if she hadn't been found. Most of my worst imaginings over this case have been coming true. I am sick over this people.

[Reenbean]

She has pop tarts..:tongue:

:thumbup: Good one kitty!!

[PolyGraph]

Maybe he had the same routine. Same coffee break, same route and same potty break? I haven't see the connection. I would think the FBI would be looking into this as well? So Kronk is smarter then they are?
I don't get it. Some ppl drive the same way to work each day, they see something odd, this doesn't make them guilty or involved.
I apologize I haven't hear the tapes, just the ones on TV. hey cloe, I wasnt theorizing that he was involved or guilty, i was stating i didn tlike his 'attitude' when it came to a missing little girl. he was laughing on the 911 tapes, just listen to it for yourself...seriously, he was joking an d humming in one part, it made me upset, it was like he was telling the 911 operater where to find a bag of cookies or something. I just didnt like it is all.
moo

[cloe23]

Nope. No eyes were on Lee at that time. No dogs.

Geese louisie! Ever a warrant? Besides DNA?
Hi January, how are you? I am stuck home tonight, not happy.
I continue to remind myself that Lee and the George and Cindy's cell phone tower pings are of the same tower/area, IIRC.
Heck I vote we call them neighbors.
Per Casey in the jail interviews Lee is the middle finger, Casey is the ring finger and Caylee was/is the pinkie. Paraphrasing.
I am sure Lee is a great guy, just like to be thorough.
Off to look for the tapes. Mine are gone.

[Reenbean]

This is for you Caylee there are so many people out there that you never knew, your mommy probably thought you to stay away from strangers however she never warned you about your worst enemy.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Eric Clapton - Tears in Heaven (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/eric_clapton/track/tears_in_heaven)

Great tune legalmania. We dedicated a part of the Mass at my wedding to my Dad who had died the year prior, this was the song that was played.
Sweet Caylee, always in our hearts.

[steffaroob4]

NO duct tape in the A's home, what is up with that????

GA looks like a handy guy, why no duct tape?

[gaelicpeas]

I wonder about that also. Does anyone remember the call (was one of the first ones IIRC) where Casey says to Cindy that she saw her cameo appearance on television (think it was on GVS). Casey is mad and says to Cindy "you don't KNOW my involvement?" At the time I assumed Casey was mad because Cindy was doubting her, but since there are so many other questions now I am wondering if Casey was mad because Cindy full well knew the entire story and Casey knew that she knew it.

ahhhh... that very call is what got me into this case! It was so "Mommy Dearest", and I don't mean Casey. JMO

[101Spots]

Thanks, I agree with your scenario. I went back to the computer forensics report and it shows that was the date the pic was taken on the camera at 12:03 pm it also shows that it was uploaded to the laptop on June 17th at 3:28 pm and modified at 9:58 pm that same day. Now how the heck did she upload it to her myspace on June 15th. I am positive that is the date that showed on the video section of her myspace and even did a google search and found where people were talking about it being uploaded that day.

So now I am wondering what all her activities were on the 17th if she is uploading it to her laptop that day she had to have been home to access Cindy's camera. God this case can spin you around and around.

Well thanks a million for shooting holes in my theory! :biggrin:

The Anthony's do (did?) have a desktop computer, too. She may have used that on the 15th.

*Really* off to the shower now.

[Reenbean]

Padilla is full of hot air. He has surmised that the body would be found in the Econ River (sp?), before that, the dumpster, before that, telling the kidnappers leave Caylee at the drugstore.

Padilla may be making a circle around himself ... a circle of detectives ... his making a statement that he was told they found a dead Caylee on November 15th, and didn't report that to LE? Now, that is obstruction of justice.

IMO


But how do we know he didn't report that to LE immediately?! Exactly, we don't know that he didn't.

[PolyGraph]

This is for you Caylee there are so many people out there that you never knew, your mommy probably thought you to stay away from strangers however she never warned you about your worst enemy.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Eric Clapton - Tears in Heaven (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/eric_clapton/track/tears_in_heaven) Perfect song legal...just what is it about this little girl as opposed to other missing children that makes us cling to her? Could it be her big brown eyes, her soft smile, her loving tender face that seems to say, hold me please oh gez im going to cry again...:crying:

[kitty1182]

NO duct tape in the A's home, what is up with that????

GA looks like a handy guy, why no duct tape?



Shucks, we even have duct tape..

[ccat]

NO duct tape in the A's home, what is up with that????

GA looks like a handy guy, why no duct tape?

Didn't she get take Amy's tape?

[legalmania]

aww... been there and can empathize. So, just watch the ball drop at midnight and then call a very close relative or friend to share in the celebration!



Well I have my kids here with me but they all went out, which thankfully they did because I see them everyday thankfully. Are you able to see my music?

[playnice]

Because his daughter stole it?

because casey was home and there was more than enough time to clean up after her mess?Maybe thats why they need immunity?

[Jeepers]

Maybe casey did some shopping today. Party favors on the list?

I bet a brand new bag of pork skins was high on the list. whooo whooo!
There is an ole saying that whatever you do on New Years Day you will do it all year long. I don't clean house or wash clothes on New Years Day. I do cook and clean up that but, that is about it family comes over to eat traditional New Years Day food and chitter chatter with everyone.

Let's see Casey is where,and doing and on New Years Day ... oh yeah eating pork skins and sitting in jail. No party this year, No manchild to well you know. Happy New Year Casey I hope you have more of the same. You deserve it Girl!

[farrahrani]

I heard that part of the tape and the operator tells him 2 or 3 times it's okay for you to call in on the tip line. I think the reason he did not want to call on the tip was because he was told not to. Because they wanted the cops to come right away, not for his tip to get lost in the 5600 others that came in and were being ignored on a disk in the prosecutor's office. I think the defense team knew exactly what would happen and for some reason which only Padilla seems to know why, they wanted that bag found and fast.

It's an interesting idea.

But I'm not sure it's the defense that wanted the bag found. Up until now, they've been playing the 'she's missing not deceased' card. To have a body wouldn't help them. They still had hope they could sway at least one juror with either doubt to Caylee's status, or Casey's guilt. Leading LE to a body with masking tape on it, and double bagged is an odd defense strategy.
Unless they are still claiming it's Zanny.

IF its staged, I'd go more along the lines that someone else did it. Someone who actually has something to gain with the body being found. Someone who would offer information about the crime...in exchange for immunity for spilling all.

Can anyone tell me why the defense would actually WANT the body found?

[PolyGraph]

It's just all a complete sick Circus, makes me want to scream at the top of my lungs and I'm a stranger. A precious baby dead, murdered at the hands of her own mother, then tossed away like a piece of trash, left to rot in the woods until nothing left but bones. Now what is left of this little body is lying in a morgue. All the adults in her life, those who were suppose to love her, the ones she..as a child, needed and depended on and loved unconditionally, along with the one that murdered her, have done nothing but run around, spun Bull, protected the very one that took her life, insulted those that tried to help find her and now..running around lawyer-ing up, asking for immunity to protect themselves..the very people that were suppose to take care of and protect her, WHERE was HER immunity from harm?? This wasn't some pet that wasn't taken care of properly then tossed away,..this was a child, a precious baby..their flesh and blood. This is all just so pathetically sad.:cuss: I totally agree its terribly sad...and madening at the same time!

[Reenbean]

Because he just made up that story last night.

I guess we'll know for sure when the trial starts. I haven't decided yet whether to use a week's worth of vacation time or just get Tivo to record it. That is if it's televised. It better be!!

[MalloryCat]

It's an interesting idea.

But I'm not sure it's the defense that wanted the bag found. Up until now, they've been playing the 'she's missing not deceased' card. To have a body wouldn't help them. They still had hope they could sway at least one juror with either doubt to Caylee's status, or Casey's guilt. Leading LE to a body with masking tape on it, and double bagged is an odd defense strategy.
Unless they are still claiming it's Zanny.

IF its staged, I'd go more along the lines that someone else did it. Someone who actually has something to gain with the body being found. Someone who would offer information about the crime...in exchange for immunity for spilling all.

Can anyone tell me why the defense would actually WANT the body found?
I cant think of a single reason.

[legalmania]

Perfect song legal...just what is it about this little girl as opposed to other missing children that makes us cling to her? Could it be her big brown eyes, her soft smile, her loving tender face that seems to say, hold me please oh geez im going to cry again...:crying:

I think it's because her mom waited a month and then it was her grandmother who reported her missing. It's an unusual case. Most parents are hysterical after two seconds never the less 31 days.

[marinewife5]

Oh just great. So NOW The Family will turn over evidence. I say they're a day late and a dollar short. They would have carried out this charade forever if she hadn't been found. Most of my worst imaginings over this case have been coming true. I am sick over this people.

SOMETHING found at either the scene caylee was found at or taken from the home has the anthony's scared. and has anyone heard a response from the state on this immunity demand? LE may just be waiting for caylee to be laid to rest before they toss the kid gloves aside for this family...enough is enough. they are working for caylee, not the rest of the anthony's.

jmo

[steffaroob4]

Didn't she get take Amy's tape?

I wonder is Amy has anything that still has some of her tape on it. I just don't get the A's not having duct tape.

[PolyGraph]

Here's the thing. IF Casey had something over his head, like some piece of information that would be the downfall of Lee, and told him to either do the deed or she would spill, he would have had no choice, and then dumb doesn't enter the equation. Forced or have no choice would be the underlying factor in that. After which he can't deal with how deep up to his eyeballs he is now in this deal now, thanks to his beloved sister, he bolts for a while, lay low, clear his head, shake it off. Comes back and acts like all is well. Then proceeds to rip up a few memorial sites and trash the gifts left for Caylee. that could very well be....I thought it was thoughtless to rip up stuff left for the baby too!

[Jeepers]

Didn't she get take Amy's tape?

yes she did, Amy texted her and accused her of stealing the duct tape out of her purse around the time of the No Clothes Party.

[gaelicpeas]

Well I have my kids here with me but they all went out, which thankfully they did because I see them everyday thankfully. Are you able to see my music?

Yes, I am able to see your music, but housemate is watching the TV here in the living room, so it would be kind of rude of me to listen. But I will tomorrow, and thanks.

Someone just said all their worst fears about this case are coming true. I have always thought those "worst fears" were really what was happening in this case. JMO

[MalloryCat]

Nancy probably isn't going to be on right?

[MandyMia]

Didn't she get take Amy's tape?


She used and lost Amy's duct tape for her "flag outfit" at the no clothes party - amy posted a reference to it in email or text - it's in the released doc how she was not happy Casey lost it IIRC

[legalmania]

Didn't she get take Amy's tape?

It is rumored that she took the tape from Amy.

[MalloryCat]

I wonder is Amy has anything that still has some of her tape on it. I just don't get the A's not having duct tape.

Maybe Casey grabbed it, took it to Baez' office and tossed it in the trash?

[impartial]

But how do we know he didn't report that to LE immediately?! Exactly, we don't know that he didn't.


If Lenny told LE on November 15th ... then why didn't LE interview DC in November? They are now just getting around to interviewing someone that supposedly told LP in November they found Caylee's body?

The point is, DC's tape shows no bag, no body. LP makes things up as he goes along ... to keep his face on NG.

IMO

[kitty1182]

Maybe Casey grabbed it, took it to Baez' office and tossed it in the trash?



Would not surprise me, looked like she had a lot in her backpack..:wink:



Happy New Year..:smile:

[PolyGraph]

I heard that part of the tape and the operator tells him 2 or 3 times it's okay for you to call in on the tip line. I think the reason he did not want to call on the tip was because he was told not to. Because they wanted the cops to come right away, not for his tip to get lost in the 5600 others that came in and were being ignored on a disk in the prosecutor's office. I think the defense team knew exactly what would happen and for some reason which only Padilla seems to know why, they wanted that bag found and fast.
Im a little confused (duh me) so you are trying to say that the defense team had something to do with the meter reader??? :confused:

[legalmania]

Yes, I am able to see your music, but housemate is watching the TV here in the living room, so it would be kind of rude of me to listen. But I will tomorrow, and thanks.

Someone just said all their worst fears about this case are coming true. I have always thought those "worst fears" were really what was happening in this case. JMO

Thank you gaelicpeas I'm glad the link works I was wondering if it did. This link is for Caylee only not for profit of any kind.

[gaelicpeas]

It's an interesting idea.

But I'm not sure it's the defense that wanted the bag found. Up until now, they've been playing the 'she's missing not deceased' card. To have a body wouldn't help them. They still had hope they could sway at least one juror with either doubt to Caylee's status, or Casey's guilt. Leading LE to a body with masking tape on it, and double bagged is an odd defense strategy.
Unless they are still claiming it's Zanny.

IF its staged, I'd go more along the lines that someone else did it. Someone who actually has something to gain with the body being found. Someone who would offer information about the crime...in exchange for immunity for spilling all.

Can anyone tell me why the defense would actually WANT the body found?
Because the defense wants to promote the kidnapping theory, and that Caylee was murdered by the kidnapper(s) to spite Casey. JMO

[TxLady2]

How is there a difference?

To me, knowing something is having direct knowledge, like having seen the body. Knowing but not believing or accepting it is a little different, because it's not actually a case of knowing it... it's merely being afraid that it is true, and hoping it's not. Kind of like a woman who believes her husband is cheating on her.... she knows it but has not seen it with her own eyes and hopes like heck it's not true. See the difference?
Btw... I do not for one minute believe that the Anthonys KNEW that Caylee was dead until the DNA came back to verify it. I can't wrap my mind around them letting that baby rot in the woods just to protect Casey. I believe they loved Caylee. I could be wrong, but I'm going to have to hear it from their own lips to believe it.

[playnice]

Would not surprise me, looked like she had a lot in her backpack..:wink:



Happy New Year..:smile:

OMG I forgot about that.

[Duckaroo]

She has pop tarts..:tongue:

Yep..sit on her stainless steel throne eating her pop-tarts and at midnight declare herself queen of her one-woman ball. I'm sure the little dust-mites will find it all breathtaking to watch her, as she dances around in her cell, in her state-issued blue evening shirt and pants, and those darling flip-flops!
:thumbup:

[ccat]

I wonder is Amy has anything that still has some of her tape on it. I just don't get the A's not having duct tape.

Maybe Casey used the last of it.

[gaelicpeas]

SOMETHING found at either the scene caylee was found at or taken from the home has the anthony's scared. and has anyone heard a response from the state on this immunity demand? LE may just be waiting for caylee to be laid to rest before they toss the kid gloves aside for this family...enough is enough. they are working for caylee, not the rest of the anthony's.

jmo

ITA, mw5. And hiya and happy New Year's! :seeya:

[MalloryCat]

Would not surprise me, looked like she had a lot in her backpack..:wink:



Happy New Year..:smile:

Happy New Years Kitty, I am spending it laying on the couch!!

[PolyGraph]

I think the duct tape that Casey used, she stole from Amy at the no clothes party. Probably through it in her car and voila there it was in her car to use on Caylee! How convenient.
hey january you just brought up a really damning point, think about it, if they had no duct tape in the house that would make the murder even more premeditated because that would mean she would have had t obtain it prior to the death. why would you just go out and buy duct tape unless you planned on using it right? although I do not see how they had none at their house I have like 3 rolls laying around my house. Plus see through painters tape, regular tape, packaging et c etc. stuff you use everyday!

[legalmania]

Great tune legalmania. We dedicated a part of the Mass at my wedding to my Dad who had died the year prior, this was the song that was played.
Sweet Caylee, always in our hearts.

It's a great song to think Eric wrote it after his son Conner fell some 51 stories to his death. What a brave man to use music to help him through the worst time of his life. I am so sorry for your lost, is anybody else crying?

[steffaroob4]

Maybe Casey grabbed it, took it to Baez' office and tossed it in the trash?

Hmmm... you may be correct.

I was thinking she may have used a whole roll of tape, I wonder how much was on the bag.

I am afraid we aren't going to get finger prints after all the water that bag was around.

[cloe23]

hey cloe, I wasnt theorizing that he was involved or guilty, i was stating i didn tlike his 'attitude' when it came to a missing little girl. he was laughing on the 911 tapes, just listen to it for yourself...seriously, he was joking an d humming in one part, it made me upset, it was like he was telling the 911 operater where to find a bag of cookies or something. I just didnt like it is all.
moo

I understand, me either, not pointing the middle fingers, just curious. Remember NE giggling during crime scene video? video=nervous, IMO.
BTY... I will watch the Jean K. show tonight and catch up:thumbup:
I have been out this afternoon to buy a new refrigerator, big fight, I want freezer on bottom, DH wants the top, LOL.
ppl act so unusual in these types of situations, I will never forget the nervous laugh that Lee shared in the tapped LE interview about the depcomp smell, not a good move. IIRC Lee and Casey stood in the garage and laughed about the smell, per Lee's taped interview.

[impartial]

To me, knowing something is having direct knowledge, like having seen the body. Knowing but not believing or accepting it is a little different, because it's not actually a case of knowing it... it's merely being afraid that it is true, and hoping it's not. Kind of like a woman who believes her husband is cheating on her.... she knows it but has not seen it with her own eyes and hopes like heck it's not true. See the difference?
Btw... I do not for one minute believe that the Anthonys KNEW that Caylee was dead until the DNA came back to verify it. I can't wrap my mind around them letting that baby rot in the woods just to protect Casey. I believe they loved Caylee. I could be wrong, but I'm going to have to hear it from their own lips to believe it.


In his interview with the FBI, George pretty much said that things point in that direction, but he can't let his mind go there yet.

As a parent, no matter how bad things look, I would hold out hope until someone brought my child's body to me. I totally understand C & G's holding out hope that Caylee was alive.

IMO

[marinewife5]

ITA, mw5. And hiya and happy New Year's! :seeya:

I also believe that the immunity demand is more for damage control than having anything of value to offer the state as far as testimony.

any hiya right back! happy new year!

jmo

[AJandTam]

They had been in the car by themselves on the way over there, what was the need for a secret code when they got there?

I would like to know this as well. In their shoes. I think i'd rather have the FBI if that was an option.. Chasing bad guys, and solving kidnappings wasn't exactly their field of expertise.. They say it was because they didn't trust LE... Yeah ok, it's a life or death situation and you are going to trust the 3 stooges to save the day instead OF trained professionals.. ... .. .. but hey the boys and blue were good for chasing down gas can burglers and protestors w/too much time on thier hands.. Never fear folks. The FBI can decode terrorist chatter, but not the A code... ??

[kitty1182]

Happy New Years Kitty, I am spending it laying on the couch!!



Have a good one...

(No champagne for you, I will have one for you) :thumbsup:

[kaelieanne]

I wonder about that also. Does anyone remember the call (was one of the first ones IIRC) where Casey says to Cindy that she saw her cameo appearance on television (think it was on GVS). Casey is mad and says to Cindy "you don't KNOW my involvement?" At the time I assumed Casey was mad because Cindy was doubting her, but since there are so many other questions now I am wondering if Casey was mad because Cindy full well knew the entire story and Casey knew that she knew it.

(Emphasis mine.) Exactly what I've always thought. Casey was incredulous because CA knew exactly what had happened.

[steffaroob4]

Private Investigators May Have Known Where Caylee's Remains Were (http://www.wftv.com/video/18391868/index.html)