Caylee Anthony..Tuesday 12/30..Part 1

[SwFlorida]

Justice for Caylee Marie Anthony :rose:

[ellegna]

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You may also wish to sign Caylee's Guest Book

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[PuffDragon]

Okay, I fell asleep early last night and didn't even make it through Nancy Grace (and I love Jean Casarez) so I missed all the gab on the late night thread about the new video that the PI was supposed to have taken. I'm still working through that thread so this may have been addressed already but I'm going to bring this up just in case: wasn't this supposed new video said to have been filmed in November? And didn't the neighbor say that whole area was still until water until just 10 days or so before the bones were found? So wouldn't that mean the area was still under water in November. What could a video possibly have shown?

And PS, if the video doesn't show that the area was underwater, does that not make the video suspect? Assuming, of course, that there is a video. I did get far enough to see (was it Carlos Padilla?) sort of hedge and hem and haw about it, he hadn't seen it, the FBI was looking into it...... what's that all about?

[desmom]

Good Morning!

If this was a teen hang out place when Casey was in school, I bet it was a teen hang out when Lee was in school also. I am curious if Casey gave Lee any other "codes" about Caylee's location during their conversations.

Here are a couple things from their conversations that I remember:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html#-
When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know.

"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.

I question why the PI that is employed by the Anthonys would film this area. The Anthonys have been very persistent they were looking for a live Caylee. Why or how could a live Caylee be in that timber?

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-
The private investigator who works with the Anthonys told Eyewitness News he came to the area the month before Caylee's remains were found and videotaped the area.

jmo

[ellegna]

Casey Anthony's attorney: Appoint overseer in questioning of detective
(http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-b3report30_108dec30,0,1130402.story)

Charges for Casey Anthony's Brother??? (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473947,00.html)


Behind the 'One Tree Hill'-Caylee Anthony Murder Connection (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473449,00.html)


Casey Anthony's attorney concerned about police questioning of private investigator (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/orl-bk-casey-anthony-pi-122908,0,4441713.story)

[desmom]

Okay, I fell asleep early last night and didn't even make it through Nancy Grace (and I love Jean Casarez) so I missed all the gab on the late night thread about the new video that the PI was supposed to have taken. I'm still working through that thread so this may have been addressed already but I'm going to bring this up just in case: wasn't this supposed new video said to have been filmed in November? And didn't the neighbor say that whole area was still until water until just 10 days or so before the bones were found? So wouldn't that mean the area was still under water in November. What could a video possibly have shown?

And PS, if the video doesn't show that the area was underwater, does that not make the video suspect? Assuming, of course, that there is a video. I did get far enough to see (was it Carlos Padilla?) sort of hedge and hem and haw about it, he hadn't seen it, the FBI was looking into it...... what's that all about?

Everything I have read reported the area was underwater until a week or so before Caylee's remains were found.

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone!!

The tape. First which PI took the video, I have heard conflicting reports. Was it Dominic Casey or Jim Hoover? Either way if it is a video of the EXACT SPOT where the remains were eventually found, that PI has some major explaining to do, imo.

However, if it's just of the general area that isn't as incriminating, but still LE should get an answer why he was there filming.

I agree, those two examples of casey anthony's statements were clues about where to look, imo.

[SwFlorida]

[QUOTE=desmom;12593336]Good Morning!



"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.[/I]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.




Snipped for space...I picked up on the right away.

[desmom]

Good morning everyone!!

The tape. First which PI took the video, I have heard conflicting reports. Was it Dominic Casey or Jim Hoover? Either way if it is a video of the EXACT SPOT where the remains were eventually found, that PI has some major explaining to do, imo.

However, if it's just of the general area that isn't as incriminating, but still LE should get an answer why he was there filming.

I agree, those two examples of casey anthony's statements were clues about where to look, imo.

WFTV is reporting the video was done by Jim Hoover. http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-

[Regina.Lampert]

Des, thanks for those statements and you pose a very good question for the anthonys. One I am certain, in their new and exciting effort to cooperate with LE in a search for the truth, they will cough up an answer for, imo.

[destiny1]

Okay, I fell asleep early last night and didn't even make it through Nancy Grace (and I love Jean Casarez) so I missed all the gab on the late night thread about the new video that the PI was supposed to have taken. I'm still working through that thread so this may have been addressed already but I'm going to bring this up just in case: wasn't this supposed new video said to have been filmed in November? And didn't the neighbor say that whole area was still until water until just 10 days or so before the bones were found? So wouldn't that mean the area was still under water in November. What could a video possibly have shown?

And PS, if the video doesn't show that the area was underwater, does that not make the video suspect? Assuming, of course, that there is a video. I did get far enough to see (was it Carlos Padilla?) sort of hedge and hem and haw about it, he hadn't seen it, the FBI was looking into it...... what's that all about?
The revelations on Nancy Grace last evening! Convoluted, yet so significant once we put them all together.

I believe that the video is a product of Lee's acquisition of a PI because he knew that SOMETHING happened in that location. whether he knew that as the location of Caylee's remains, we have to see. It's odd : The "cleaning of the computer virus" the shaving of the head, the PI the video, retaining Luka and the latest, Lukas remarks about possible charges against Lee have come to pass in the order that they have. Look at the time line(S) You have to actually put together timelines for four different individuals and their respective attorneys public statements.

Another thought crossed my mind: Did anyone other than casey have access to her myspace or facebook? The timing of some of those comments is very important as well.

Leave no stone unturned. Let us not let Caylees death be in vain.

[Regina.Lampert]

WFTV is reporting the video was done by Jim Hoover. http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-

Des, you're like a magician with these links!!! :biggrin:

Okay, according to this article Jim Hoover only worked for cynthia and george. So, I doubt very seriously if baez can prevent him from telling everything he knows to LE, even things he may have heard from Dominic Casey because Dominic Casey telling him anything breaches client confidentiality and that's on him, not Hoover. IMO.

IIRC, last night on JVM or NG they said Hoover was avoiding LE. This could get interesting, bet we hear Hoover is the next person to get an attorney.

[Jeepers]

Good morning, I am hoping that LE will go ahead an arrest Lee if that is what is really going on. I am thinking that is reason the Anthony's are holding off on the funeral for Caylee. They know that as soon as she is buried then the gloves will come off. The state will then not appear to be unsympathic to grieiving grandparents. Once again they are using Caylee for their own advantage in my opinion.
The smoke the defense is blowing at this time with the PI video taping the area will hopefully blow up in Baez's face once LE experts get the tape and compare it to the photos that were taken at the crime scene before they starting clearing the brush and undergrowth from the area.
Looking at the pictures of the crime scene the land appeared flat starting from the roadside then sloped up to a knoll area then sloped back down (The Grassy Knoll) to the wooded area. Driving by or just walking by the bag could not have been seen if it was 45-60 from the road because of the knoll area and all the growth. The area during the summer was described as full of water neighbors that were interviewed after the remains were discovered stated the water had just recently went down. The indent the pics showed was very dark wet looking ground. Tim Miller said he lost a brand new 4 wheeler in the area and called the search off because he did not want to take the chance of of destroying any evidense if Caylee was there.
If this was knowledge from Casey to Baez about the location of Caylee and the PI went to investigate and video the area. This might be an area Baez is not smart enough to handle thus LKB brought in to disfuse the situation he knew where the body was and did not disclose the information for his on self gain. JMO and rambling thoughts this morning.

[PuffDragon]

Des, you're like a magician with these links!!! :biggrin:

Okay, according to this article Jim Hoover only worked for cynthia and george. So, I doubt very seriously if baez can prevent him from telling everything he knows to LE, even things he may have heard from Dominic Casey because Dominic Casey telling him anything breaches client confidentiality and that's on him, not Hoover. IMO.

IIRC, last night on JVM or NG they said Hoover was avoiding LE. This could get interesting, bet we hear Hoover is the next person to get an attorney.

If nothing else, this case is keeping Florida's lawyers well employed, although job security isn't all that secure. By the time it goes to trial everyone even superficially involved will have a lawyer and there won't be any room in the courtroom for spectators.:rolleyes:

[AMS]

Des, you're like a magician with these links!!! :biggrin:

Okay, according to this article Jim Hoover only worked for cynthia and george. So, I doubt very seriously if baez can prevent him from telling everything he knows to LE, even things he may have heard from Dominic Casey because Dominic Casey telling him anything breaches client confidentiality and that's on him, not Hoover. IMO.

IIRC, last night on JVM or NG they said Hoover was avoiding LE. This could get interesting, bet we hear Hoover is the next person to get an attorney.


The only area of the country not in a recession is the "criminal attorney" area in Orlando. Business is booming. :biggrin: IMO

[k_can004]

The only area of the country not in a recession is the "criminal attorney" area in Orlando. Business is booming. :biggrin: IMO


Does this mean we will all need to hire an attorney because we post here????(j/k) :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

Okay, I fell asleep early last night and didn't even make it through Nancy Grace (and I love Jean Casarez) so I missed all the gab on the late night thread about the new video that the PI was supposed to have taken. I'm still working through that thread so this may have been addressed already but I'm going to bring this up just in case: wasn't this supposed new video said to have been filmed in November? And didn't the neighbor say that whole area was still until water until just 10 days or so before the bones were found? So wouldn't that mean the area was still under water in November. What could a video possibly have shown?

And PS, if the video doesn't show that the area was underwater, does that not make the video suspect? Assuming, of course, that there is a video. I did get far enough to see (was it Carlos Padilla?) sort of hedge and hem and haw about it, he hadn't seen it, the FBI was looking into it...... what's that all about?


IF there is such a tape...and I mean "IF"...and it was taken a month before Caylee's remains were found...It would be more suspect that a picture was taken at the spot where Caylee's remains were found...It would indicate that the Anthony's knew where the body was and had it moved for a picture and then put right back....That seems a little impossible in my books and a little risky...

The tape has to be a fraud and staged "IF" it exists....It is another ploy which to me indicates they are going with the defense that Casey could not have committed the murder....However that will not take away from the odor of death in her car...But Linda Baden and that "dream team" are capable of saying anything at all in hope to reach that one "not to bright" juror....(that's how they work"...

No one else was involved with this murder but Casey....

Padilla need to just stick with looking for bail jumpers....Him saying that the meter reader is involved and that Lee was the connection between Casey and the meter reader is absurd....LP needs that lie detector test, in my opinion.....If any obstruction of justice was done it was done by him and HIS team.....JMO

[Katt2]

While I have been somewhat defensive towards the grandparents, I have never taken that posture in regards to Lee. The grandparents agreed to a polygraph and Lee quickly changed their minds for them. Why? because he didn't want to be the only one refusing a poly?
The grandparents readily gave up their DNA and fingerprints but Lee had to be required legally to do so. Again, why?
Having said this, I do think it might be reasonable to assume that LE does not think Lee had any "handson" in regards to Caylee's demise or disposing of her body. Doesn't it seem as though LE would have executed a search warrant on his home and auto looking for evidence, fibers, etc?
I am more inclined to think that Lee destroyed potential (geez I hate using that word) evidence wiping out Casey's computer and perhaps he has had specific knowledge that he has refrained from divulging.

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning!

If this was a teen hang out place when Casey was in school, I bet it was a teen hang out when Lee was in school also. I am curious if Casey gave Lee any other "codes" about Caylee's location during their conversations.

Here are a couple things from their conversations that I remember:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html#-
When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know.

"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.

I question why the PI that is employed by the Anthonys would film this area. The Anthonys have been very persistent they were looking for a live Caylee. Why or how could a live Caylee be in that timber?

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-
The private investigator who works with the Anthonys told Eyewitness News he came to the area the month before Caylee's remains were found and videotaped the area.

jmo


I agree that he did ask her something about "familiar places" and I remember Casey saying that her gut feeling is that Caylee is close to home.....That could have been a code but I doubt that Lee picked up on the spot...I do not see him as being that smart....

The body has already been proven by the states experts to have been in that spot for months and most likely since the beginning of her disappearence...

It is all a crock in my books....just a ploy as was the staged sightings of Caylee all over town.....low tactics by the defense...a Linda Baden type of ploy.....JMO

[desmom]

I agree that he did ask her something about "familiar places" and I remember Casey saying that her gut feeling is that Caylee is close to home.....That could have been a code but I doubt that Lee picked up on the spot...I do not see him as being that smart....

The body has already been proven by the states experts to have been in that spot for months and most likely since the beginning of her disappearence...

It is all a crock in my books....just a ploy as was the staged sightings of Caylee all over town.....low tactics by the defense...a Linda Baden type of ploy.....JMO

I agree...definitely a crock in my book, too.

Question: If this PI does have said video, wouldn't this be one of those little Aha moments the defense would want to keep on the QT until trial?

[Barbara fl.]

[QUOTE=desmom;12593336]Good Morning!



"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.[/I]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.




Snipped for space...I picked up on the right away.


I see exactly what you mean....it is for sure a way of telling Lee where the body is....and I hope that tape will be used by the prosecution at triel.....It's probably due to these type of conversations why the Anthony's do not visit their daughter since the murder charge....They are all in covering up for Casey.....It's a shame...but it wont work....The odor in the car will expose Casey beyond repair....

[destiny1]

While I have been somewhat defensive towards the grandparents, I have never taken that posture in regards to Lee. The grandparents agreed to a polygraph and Lee quickly changed their minds for them. Why? because he didn't want to be the only one refusing a poly?
The grandparents readily gave up their DNA and fingerprints but Lee had to be required legally to do so. Again, why?
Having said this, I do think it might be reasonable to assume that LE does not think Lee had any "handson" in regards to Caylee's demise or disposing of her body. Doesn't it seem as though LE would have executed a search warrant on his home and auto looking for evidence, fibers, etc?
I am more inclined to think that Lee destroyed potential (geez I hate using that word) evidence wiping out Casey's computer and perhaps he has had specific knowledge that he has refrained from divulging.


I believe that in order to change the parents' minds about cooperating, Lee had to divulge information, thus making them complicit. That, to me, explains cindy and georges frenzied behavior.

I also believe that Lee knew where, in general, Caylee's body would be found early on in the game. He MAY have tried to soften that blow to his parents, but IMO, they all knew.

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree with your opinion Katt. Remember in the first released tapes of lee the Detectives were flattering him, telling him what a great "investigator" he was? That was done because they wanted to use him in an effort to get information from casey anthony.

Somewhere along the line that little lovefest went south. I would love to know when and why?

Very scary when your defense attorney goes National talking about tampering with evidence, aiding and abetting and obstruction. Something is going on here for sure!!!

[Neffy]

I agree that he did ask her something about "familiar places" and I remember Casey saying that her gut feeling is that Caylee is close to home.....That could have been a code but I doubt that Lee picked up on the spot...I do not see him as being that smart....

The body has already been proven by the states experts to have been in that spot for months and most likely since the beginning of her disappearence...

It is all a crock in my books....just a ploy as was the staged sightings of Caylee all over town.....low tactics by the defense...a Linda Baden type of ploy.....JMO

My bolding.

Yes, the "bone trail/scattering" tells us this. The uprooting of foilage into animal burrows. These bones didn't get swarmed in by animals over night and scattered across the amount of area in a short time.

The "kidnapping" story - It would seem that persons are working overtime to "make" this fit Casey's story in light of recent developments. Why film footage of that area? This is not a search but a filming to be used for future evidence. There are so many coincidences one will buy into. This isn't one of them.

[playnice]

I agree with your opinion Katt. Remember in the first released tapes of lee the Detectives were flattering him, telling him what a great "investigator" he was? That was done because they wanted to use him in an effort to get information from casey anthony.

Somewhere along the line that little lovefest went south. I would love to know when and why?

Very scary when your defense attorney goes National talking about tampering with evidence, aiding and abetting and obstruction. Something is going on here for sure!!!

Susan Moss said for an attorney to do that it is something big.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree...definitely a crock in my book, too.

Question: If this PI does have said video, wouldn't this be one of those little Aha moments the defense would want to keep on the QT until trial?


I would think so...but like all the other "so called" evidence that they said they had showing that Caylee was alive was also publicized and not given to the police....again, I believe this is being done to reach the potential jurors before the trial starts....a ploy to try and make it stick in the back of that potential juror's mind....a tactic....

But this tape (if it exists) will cause more damage to the defense then good.....It is already being questioned as to why this person who is associated to the Anthony's would have fimed that particular spot? That to me is more damaging then the implication that Casey didn't put the body there.....

The meter reader hitting on the body back in August and tapes to prove that he called it in, is much more proof that the body was there all along....and if it wasn't, and it had been moved and put back, and fimed by an Anthony associate, what would that prove? The whole family is behind a cover up of the truth....JMO

[desmom]

I agree with your opinion Katt. Remember in the first released tapes of lee the Detectives were flattering him, telling him what a great "investigator" he was? That was done because they wanted to use him in an effort to get information from casey anthony.

Somewhere along the line that little lovefest went south. I would love to know when and why?

Very scary when your defense attorney goes National talking about tampering with evidence, aiding and abetting and obstruction. Something is going on here for sure!!!


I think the lovefest ended when Lee started peeling back the layers of lies. Lee had to know Casey was in this up to her eyeballs. I think he pulled back because he did not want to be the one that helped LE put his sister in prison.

I would like to think he was smart enough to not aide Casey, but.......

jmo

[destiny1]

I think the lovefest ended when Lee started peeling back the layers of lies. Lee had to know Casey was in this up to her eyeballs. I think he pulled back because he did not want to be the one that helped LE put his sister in prison.

I would like to think he was smart enough to not aide Casey, but.......

jmo

"smartness" can be so destructive.

[Regina.Lampert]

Susan Moss said for an attorney to do that it is something big.

Yes she sure did Playnice and I heard similar sentiments on other shows about his statements. I think ole lee is in a world of trouble with LE.

[Barbara fl.]

I think the lovefest ended when Lee started peeling back the layers of lies. Lee had to know Casey was in this up to her eyeballs. I think he pulled back because he did not want to be the one that helped LE put his sister in prison.

I would like to think he was smart enough to not aide Casey, but.......

jmo


I agree with what you say ...and also agree that Lee swayed away from helping the police to covering up for his sister....

There must be something up if Lee's attorney got on national TV and stated that his client might be arrested....no lawyer does that...either he is a stupid attorney or he knows something.....

If they all don't watch out they will be adjoining cells with Casey....

Poor little Caylee....She seems to be totally forgotten about by her whole family.....

[n/t]

Good Morning!

If this was a teen hang out place when Casey was in school, I bet it was a teen hang out when Lee was in school also. I am curious if Casey gave Lee any other "codes" about Caylee's location during their conversations.

Here are a couple things from their conversations that I remember:

http://www.wftv.com/news/18204436/detail.html#-
When Lee questioned where to search for her missing daughter, she told him locally and said their mom, Cindy, would know.

"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.

I question why the PI that is employed by the Anthonys would film this area. The Anthonys have been very persistent they were looking for a live Caylee. Why or how could a live Caylee be in that timber?

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-
The private investigator who works with the Anthonys told Eyewitness News he came to the area the month before Caylee's remains were found and videotaped the area.

jmo


Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?

[Regina.Lampert]

My bolding.

Yes, the "bone trail/scattering" tells us this. The uprooting of foilage into animal burrows. These bones didn't get swarmed in by animals over night and scattered across the amount of area in a short time.

The "kidnapping" story - It would seem that persons are working overtime to "make" this fit Casey's story in light of recent developments. Why film footage of that area? This is not a search but a filming to be used for future evidence. There are so many coincidences one will buy into. This isn't one of them.

I think you are right Neff and agree totally. But, just watch the defense attempt to claim the bones were scattered because the bag was moved and have an expert on hand to swear to it. This is one crooked bunch, imo.

[desmom]

"smartness" can be so destructive.

Exactly!

How far would Lee go to protect Casey?

[klock777]

A little OT, but, in the computer experts reports, it listed the things he/she was asked by LE to look for and one, that was not found but asked to look for was the name - I think - Eric Baker.

Doess anyone know anything about this name and why would LE be looking for that name to be on the Anthony's computer??

[msgatorslayer]

Good Morning!



http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.

jmo

G'morning, Des, and all.

Even Mr. G picked up on that lastnight:wink:

However, I doubt it had any meaning to Lee. I don't think it was code for where Caylee's remains were found.

Casey had been telling her parents that she was looking all over for Caylee. She told LE she was going to places that were familiar to she and Caylee. Lee was asking her who he could trust. And her Mom thought/thinks that a couple of her friends were/are the nanny.

There was a point when, the Anthony's were saying that Caylee may be in Sawgrass, just not the apartment Casey led LE to. That one of her other friends who lived there was the culprit.

Casey, IMO, is just feeding Lee a line of carp. Something that I noticed in the convo's she has with her family. She doesn't really say much. They talk. She listens. Alot of 'absolutely' and agreeing with what is said.

[Regina.Lampert]

I think the lovefest ended when Lee started peeling back the layers of lies. Lee had to know Casey was in this up to her eyeballs. I think he pulled back because he did not want to be the one that helped LE put his sister in prison.

I would like to think he was smart enough to not aide Casey, but.......

jmo

IMO, there was absolutely NO REASON for lee anthony to roll over to Anthony Lazarro's apartment the night of 7/15 to get this defendant's things. No INNOCENT REASON. imo.

[destiny1]

A little OT, but, in the computer experts reports, it listed the things he/she was asked by LE to look for and one, that was not found but asked to look for was the name - I think - Eric Baker.

Doess anyone know anything about this name and why would LE be looking for that name to be on the Anthony's computer??



Eric H. Baker is the Founder and CEO of viagogo. Prior to viagogo, Eric co-founded StubHub.com, the leading U.S. online secondary ticketing company for live events.

Was this a part of Casey's job ruse?

[Barbara fl.]

Exactly!

How far would Lee go to protect Casey?



The Anthony's and the defense and Lenny Padilla and parts of the media (IMO) is turning this child being murdered by her mother into a big gigantic conspiracy....They are trying to portray this as either child porno, lying meter reader connected to the murder in some way...a phantom nanny.... body moved.....


It is all a ploy to save Casey....why, I will never figure out...she doesn't deserve to be saved....she planned and carried out the murder of her own innocent child because she hated her parents and wantedd her freedom and found a new love that didn't want a little girl....

All Casey's web sites that she pulled up were around the same time she met Tone....the murder was carried out following long planning and the fight with Cindy....no one else was involved...only Casey....

The only part she didn't plan (because she didn't think that it would be a problem) was getting rid of the body...that is why she rode around with it in the trunk of her car until it smelled...

And Cindy trying to say that the odor was NOT there when the car was towed, is also a crock....Maybe Cindy forgot that Casey called a friend and said I finally got rid of the skunk...and how Casey told her friends that some squirrels were dead under the hood.....If the car was smelling prior to being towed, then what car was Casey referring to?

The defense doesn't stand a chance IMO.....the is a "SLAM DUNK" unless some potential juror falls for this bs and gives a hung jury....but that would only make it for the team...not Casey...she would stand trial again.....

[ellegna]

Yes she sure did Playnice and I heard similar sentiments on other shows about his statements. I think ole lee is in a world of trouble with LE.

My bold

Oh you are so right. Lee IMO is in deep doo doo

Bad Boy Bad Boy...watcha going do when they come for you?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhZpRpoYu2E) :w00t:

[Neffy]

This is all blowing up in their faces.

Casey couldn't talk because it was taped. So I can't cooperate with what I know because people will hear? Wasn't that the point, to get the word out? Bombarding the media with Caylees face but no details of anything else is ridiculous and a sham.

Liars forget their lies. Casey's excuse was that she couldn't divuldge info originally or say Caylee was missing because of the potential "harm" by these "kidnappers".

Then when it's exposed that Caylee has vanished and it goes world wide, her Caylee will be harmed excuse goes straight out the window in not getting details out there so no need to talk in code unless "your" in CYA and need help to pull this crime off.

[Regina.Lampert]

My bold

Oh you are so right. Lee IMO is in deep doo doo

Bad Boy Bad Boy...watcha going do when they come for you?
(http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BhZpRpoYu2E) :w00t:

Well, we could hope he tries to run and we have a speed chase thru the highways and byways of central Florida......but that would be wrong.


wouldn't it? :wink:

[playnice]

IMO, there was absolutely NO REASON for lee anthony to roll over to Anthony Lazarro's apartment the night of 7/15 to get this defendant's things. No INNOCENT REASON. imo.

ITA They had bigger things to worry about that night than clothes and personal items like ---A MISSING CHILD. Casey had clothes at home. Leaves something incriminating that she sent Lee to get.

[bluwaters]

Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?
Good Morning!

(bolding mine)
That question has bothered me and remains in the back of my mind ever since the video was released.
What on earth happened the last time?

I want to to see Lee take the stand and tell all he knows!

[Jeepers]

IMO, there was absolutely NO REASON for lee anthony to roll over to Anthony Lazarro's apartment the night of 7/15 to get this defendant's things. No INNOCENT REASON. imo.

I agree, With the knowledge that Caylee is missing the confusion of the moment(s) Cindy calling 911, Lee getting information from Casey, Cindy pacing, Casey crying to Lee. Why would Lee go get those pilfry items when told a child has been kidnapped. That would be the last thing on my mind. I could see TonE bringing Casey's belongings to her in a day or two. That was not innocent on Lee's part at all. Two hours to get a bag that was already packed and a laptop.

[Barbara fl.]

The state has already proven the body had been there for months ? Where did you hear this please ?


I was responding to a posters statement that Lee and Casey were talking codes when Lee visited Casey in jail....I do believe that Casey was trying to tell him where the body was but I doubt that Lee picked up on it....

The implication and theory would be that Lee moved the body and had a pi film the area and then put the body back...knowing that it would be found and they would be able to prove that Casey was already arrested when the body wasn't there and then the body was there...


But this is just a ploy....Lenny Padilla is helping the defence in saying on the NG show last nite that there is a connection to the meter reader and Casey and the Lee was the go between.....it's absurd....there is no connection at all with this meter reader....JMOP

[klock777]

Eric H. Baker is the Founder and CEO of viagogo. Prior to viagogo, Eric co-founded StubHub.com, the leading U.S. online secondary ticketing company for live events.

Was this a part of Casey's job ruse?

Well, guess I should have researched before I posted...

Seems that Eric James Baker was on Casey's MySpace with a death date of 8/07 - and a pic collage of him, Casey and Caylee. Some seem to think this might have been the father of Caylee. Cindy mentioned in some LE interviews that she thought his name was Eric. According to the death date, that would deffinately fit into the story that the father was killed around Caylee's 2nd birthday 9within 2 days)

I had just read in the reports/docs that the computer expert was asked to specifically look to see if that name had been searched.

[Regina.Lampert]

ITA They had bigger things to worry about that night than clothes and personal items like ---A MISSING CHILD. Casey had clothes at home. Leaves something incriminating that she sent Lee to get.

Ah yes and through the wonders of computer forensics, they can tell exactly what time items were deleted from that computer. There is no innocent explanation for why lee anthony is deleting anything off casey's computer on that night, when as you say Caylee is missing.

[Barbara fl.]

Which tonE are you refering to ? Did she meet TonE in mid March , because that is when the computer searches for neckbreaking and such were , I was thinking that meeting both Tony's was AFTER the computer searches in MARCH .


I believe it was around the same time...but I could be wrong....

[destiny1]

Well, we could hope he tries to run and we have a speed chase thru the highways and byways of central Florida......but that would be wrong.


wouldn't it? :wink:
Do they still make those big white broncos?

actually, It wouldn't surprise me if he 'had a breakdown" or something else to distract.

I am still in shock about his attorneys statements before any charges have been filed. Could it be that they have already been informed of impending charges and trying to not appear harsh due to the fact that caylee has not yet had a funeral? LE also needs to have the cleanest of images in this case. WE after all, won't be on any of their juries, so who knows what some people may believe.

[klock777]

I was responding to a posters statement that Lee and Casey were talking codes when Lee visited Casey in jail....I do believe that Casey was trying to tell him where the body was but I doubt that Lee picked up on it....

The implication and theory would be that Lee moved the body and had a pi film the area and then put the body back...knowing that it would be found and they would be able to prove that Casey was already arrested when the body wasn't there and then the body was there...


But this is just a ploy....Lenny Padilla is helping the defence in saying on the NG show last nite that there is a connection to the meter reader and Casey and the Lee was the go between.....it's absurd....there is no connection at all with this meter reader....JMOP


There is NO WAY any attorney or PI is going to put themselves in a position of doing something illegal - FOR ANYONE - such as helping or knowing of anyone moving a body.

I understood Padilla to say he was shown a video Hoover took of the other PI - Dominic filming the area - a video of someone videoing in other words.

[Neffy]

Good Morning!

(bolding mine)
That question has bothered me and remains in the back of my mind ever since the video was released.
What on earth happened the last time?

I want to to see Lee take the stand and tell all he knows!

With Casey's history I would have expected her reply to be "which time"? So something specific that was a big deal in the "family" was zero'd in on. Wasn't there talk about Casey leaving Caylee in a store?

What ever this "last time" meant it was never brought up or mentioned to the police. So much for cooperation.

[Regina.Lampert]

(snipped per CW)


But this is just a ploy....Lenny Padilla is helping the defence in saying on the NG show last nite that there is a connection to the meter reader and Casey and the Lee was the go between.....it's absurd....there is no connection at all with this meter reader....JMOP

I hope that Mr. Leonard Padilla got a phone call from Roy Kronk's attorney last night. He better watch his mouth or he just might find himself at the wrong end of a civil action. imo.

[Katt2]

Yes she sure did Playnice and I heard similar sentiments on other shows about his statements. I think ole lee is in a world of trouble with LE.

And Lee has been worried about this since he decided to do the disappearing act. Now this leads me to the question---If the grandparents knew what Lee knew, why didn't they follow suit? Why did they keep themselves in the spotlight?
I am still going to maintain the grandparents did not know that Caylee was dead. They may have suspected it but as long as there was no body, there was no dead Caylee. They continued to give Casey the benefit of the doubt and I hope they are not still doing so.
If I am proven wrong, make sure there no black feathers in my soup-they tickle going down.

[Barbara fl.]

There is NO WAY any attorney or PI is going to put themselves in a position of doing something illegal - FOR ANYONE - such as helping or knowing of anyone moving a body.

I understood Padilla to say he was shown a video Hoover took of the other PI - Dominic filming the area - a video of someone videoing in other words.



Yes...and LP also said that somewher there is a link between the meter reader and Casey and that Lee was the connection....I do not believ this for one minute....The meter reader is totally innocent JMOOP

[playnice]

With Casey's history I would have expected her reply to be "which time"? So something specific that was a big deal in the "family" was zero'd in on. Wasn't there talk about Casey leaving Caylee in a store?

What ever this "last time" meant it was never brought up or mentioned to the police. So much for cooperation.

I always wondered if she had hid Caylee out to spite Cindy before.

[Neffy]

There is NO WAY any attorney or PI is going to put themselves in a position of doing something illegal - FOR ANYONE - such as helping or knowing of anyone moving a body.

I understood Padilla to say he was shown a video Hoover took of the other PI - Dominic filming the area - a video of someone videoing in other words.

At least one would think. It's my contention that no defense attorney would stick with an invisible nanny as being the perp either but there you have it.

[klock777]

ITA They had bigger things to worry about that night than clothes and personal items like ---A MISSING CHILD. Casey had clothes at home. Leaves something incriminating that she sent Lee to get.


Didn't he go get all that stuff because her phone was there? I thought I remembered Lee stating this. When he got there, everything was all packed up nice and he didn't believe that was Casey that had done that because she was a slob.

[Regina.Lampert]

Do they still make those big white broncos?

actually, It wouldn't surprise me if he 'had a breakdown" or something else to distract.

I am still in shock about his attorneys statements before any charges have been filed. Could it be that they have already been informed of impending charges and trying to not appear harsh due to the fact that caylee has not yet had a funeral? LE also needs to have the cleanest of images in this case. WE after all, won't be on any of their juries, so who knows what some people may believe.

no, we're gonna have to settle for a black mustang.

I agree about LE, God help any of them if there is the slightest blemish on their record. This goes for everyone working on the case, crime scene people, lab techs you name it, this desperate defense will go after each and everyone of them.

[Hey Paula]

Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?

Not knowing the context of the conversation preceding that question, but merely venturing a guess: Could Lee have been asking/confirming with Casey about the last time she spoke to Caylee? IIRC, Casey said she spoke to Caylee when Zenaida called.

[Neffy]

I always wondered if she had hid Caylee out to spite Cindy before.

OH AHA! I bet she did! :thumbup:

Not only that I bet it revolved around Casey being taken to task for something then Casey pulls that trump card out. You'll never see Caylee again.

[msgatorslayer]

Didn't he go get all that stuff because her phone was there? I thought I remembered Lee stating this. When he got there, everything was all packed up nice and he didn't believe that was Casey that had done that because she was a slob.

The phone and Cindy's CC, lol.

Yes, I believe the phone was important under the circumstances. It had all of Casey's contacts. How convenient that Casey left it there in the first place. She didn't want it on her so she had an excuse to not be able to call "Zanny' in front of her Mom, IMO.

Lee's babbling about how Casey couldn't have packed her stuff all nice and neat meant, what, exactly? :blush: These people try making everything a conspiracy.

[Barbara fl.]

I hope that Mr. Leonard Padilla got a phone call from Roy Kronk's attorney last night. He better watch his mouth or he just might find himself at the wrong end of a civil action. imo.


And I would love to attend his trial....That man has been a menace since first he stepped into Florida.....Le had used a good tactic to get rid of him with the search he was doing in blanchard park....as soon as the FEDS asked him to take a polygraph...Lenny was in the wind flying back to California...He only came back when the body was found because he knew they wouldn't bother with the polygraph then....

I wish they would make him take it now...I willing to bet he would be charged with trying to plant evidence in Blanchard park....JMO..

[nc1948]

Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?

n/t this is one of the statements that haunts me. What in the world did he mean? I can't find the transcript either, but that is what was said. "Is this like last time" what last time?

[n/t]

With Casey's history I would have expected her reply to be "which time"? So something specific that was a big deal in the "family" was zero'd in on. Wasn't there talk about Casey leaving Caylee in a store?

What ever this "last time" meant it was never brought up or mentioned to the police. So much for cooperation.

She knew exactly what Lee was referring to so I agree it must've been something significant.

[Regina.Lampert]

And Lee has been worried about this since he decided to do the disappearing act. Now this leads me to the question---If the grandparents knew what Lee knew, why didn't they follow suit? Why did they keep themselves in the spotlight?
I am still going to maintain the grandparents did not know that Caylee was dead. They may have suspected it but as long as there was no body, there was no dead Caylee. They continued to give Casey the benefit of the doubt and I hope they are not still doing so.
If I am proven wrong, make sure there no black feathers in my soup-they tickle going down.

I agree with you Katt, they did not know FOR CERTAIN that she was dead, but suspecting it and still held out hope. What they do now is going to define them, imo.

don't fret, I have our crow marinating and no feathers. :wink:

[bluwaters]

Well, guess I should have researched before I posted...

Seems that Eric James Baker was on Casey's MySpace with a death date of 8/07 - and a pic collage of him, Casey and Caylee. Some seem to think this might have been the father of Caylee. Cindy mentioned in some LE interviews that she thought his name was Eric. According to the death date, that would deffinately fit into the story that the father was killed around Caylee's 2nd birthday 9within 2 days)

I had just read in the reports/docs that the computer expert was asked to specifically look to see if that name had been searched.
I have looked in the Social Security Death Index for Eric James Baker.
If he exists and is Caylee's father, he either is not dead, or did not have a SS#.

Of 43 Eric Baker's listed, four died in 2007.

FamilySearch® U.S. Social Security Death Index
U.S. Social Security Death Index (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true)

1. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 8 Mar 1989 State Where Number was Issued: Ohio Death: 4 May 2007 [Remove]
2. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 13 May 1983 State Where Number was Issued: North Carolina Death: 30 Aug 2007 [Remove]
3. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 9 Dec 1962 State Where Number was Issued: California Death: 16 Jan 2007 [Remove]
4. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 18 Feb 1963 State Where Number was Issued: Indiana Death: 30 Aug 2007

#2 seems to be the closest possible match, but I have not found any information on him indicating a link to Florida.

[destiny1]

There is NO WAY any attorney or PI is going to put themselves in a position of doing something illegal - FOR ANYONE - such as helping or knowing of anyone moving a body.

I understood Padilla to say he was shown a video Hoover took of the other PI - Dominic filming the area - a video of someone videoing in other words.

No normal attorney or PI that isn't arrogant. Just look at disbarrment stats and fly by night PIs that got in deep while trying to make their marks.

[bluwaters]

I believe it was around the same time...but I could be wrong....
Casey met TonE in late May. They had chatted on FB or MS prior to meeting. I don't know how long they corresponded online before meeting IRL.

[suso3280]

Exactly!

How far would Lee go to protect Casey?

**************************************************

Enough to shave his head with intent of investigating his suspicion of the body location,playing detective,yet making sure he left no evidence (falling hairs)of his own DNA presence there. Perhaps I am over reacting to his bald head, some thought b/c he may be the rapist in Orlando area, me thinks he found out where Caylee on his own with hints from *sis and then panic sets in when public discovery made, and he lawyers up with a confession to his atty. of his discovery.
Top of the mornin to all of you, I had about 4 whole hrs. of sleep last night trying to think this through and listening to tapes...Obsession:crying:

[Neffy]

I have looked in the Social Security Death Index for Eric James Baker.
If he exists and is Caylee's father, he either is not dead, or did not have a SS#.

Of 43 Eric Baker's listed, four died in 2007.

FamilySearch® U.S. Social Security Death Index
U.S. Social Security Death Index (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true)

1. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 8 Mar 1989 State Where Number was Issued: Ohio Death: 4 May 2007 [Remove]
2. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 13 May 1983 State Where Number was Issued: North Carolina Death: 30 Aug 2007 [Remove]
3. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 9 Dec 1962 State Where Number was Issued: California Death: 16 Jan 2007 [Remove]
4. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 18 Feb 1963 State Where Number was Issued: Indiana Death: 30 Aug 2007

#2 seems to be the closest possible match, but I have not found any information on him indicating a link to Florida.

Not quite the hispanic name I'd expect to hear considering Cindy's brother email referring Caylee's alledged father as being someone of hispanic heritage.

[Regina.Lampert]

The phone and Cindy's CC, lol.

Yes, I believe the phone was important under the circumstances. It had all of Casey's contacts. How convenient that Casey left it there in the first place. She didn't want it on her so she had an excuse to not be able to call "Zanny' in front of her Mom, IMO.

Lee's babbling about how Casey couldn't have packed her stuff all nice and neat meant, what, exactly? :blush: These people try making everything a conspiracy.


Great sleuthing about that phone gator. Just the thought of casey anthony phoneless is shocking. Yep, you have pegged the reason. She was slick, wasn't she?

[n/t]

Not knowing the context of the conversation preceding that question, but merely venturing a guess: Could Lee have been asking/confirming with Casey about the last time she spoke to Caylee? IIRC, Casey said she spoke to Caylee when Zenaida called.


I don't believe it had to do with a phone call with Zenaida. Hopefully, someone will post the transcripts of that jailhouse call. I tried to google but couldn't find it. I'll try again.

[Barbara fl.]

Not that this means anything just something interesting I ran into at work. I work in medical field and talk alot with patients , a young guy
" 23 " was having arrythmias' I asked him if he'd been under stress and he said yes , long story short ..work is terrible for alot of younger people , this is also close to Orange county , anyway he had lost his regular job and was struggling on his side work , dropping something in Miami , my first thought was drugs .......so i was teasing him ot get the full story ( this guy looked nerdy - too nerdy for drugs) ??? Anyway come to find out he was a drop shipped for some home porn connection , he assured me he was just the person used to ship the films to Miami .....this porn stuff and the vast array of people of involved leaves me wide open in some things read here yesterday !


There can always be involvements in big cases like drugs and child porno etc..But if that was anywhere near this case,,Casey would have had enough gas money to put the body away from the area...she had to steal 2 cans from her fathers shed...she also had to steal her best friends checks to buy groceries for Tone....I really do not see any sort of conspiracy or implication in some big time criminal behavior...JMO

Because this case has become so high profile...some people are coming out of the woodwork to try and make it bigger....The family has lied to protect the murderer who happens to be their daughter...It seems that they will go to any length to do this....I could understand that they lost their grandchild and they do not want to lose their daughter also...I would go along with that if it was an accident...but not a well planned execution of a 3 year old.....I just can not go along with that..daughter or no daughter JMOO

[destiny1]

**************************************************

Enough to shave his head with intent of investigating his suspicion of the body location,playing detective,yet making sure he left no evidence (falling hairs)of his own DNA presence there. Perhaps I am over reacting to his bald head, some thought b/c he may be the rapist in Orlando area, me thinks he found out where Caylee on his own with hints from *sis and then panic sets in when public discovery made, and he lawyers up with a confession to his atty. of his discovery.
Top of the mornin to all of you, I had about 4 whole hrs. of sleep last night trying to think this through and listening to tapes...Obsession:crying:


Hey, It's a plausable scenario, although I think the whole clan knew the truth early on and paniced.


IMO

[dohinmom]

Good morning everyone!!

The tape. First which PI took the video, I have heard conflicting reports. Was it Dominic Casey or Jim Hoover? Either way if it is a video of the EXACT SPOT where the remains were eventually found, that PI has some major explaining to do, imo.

However, if it's just of the general area that isn't as incriminating, but still LE should get an answer why he was there filming.

I agree, those two examples of casey anthony's statements were clues about where to look, imo.

Regina, the PI that took the video was the one who worked with the anthony's. The other PI worked for the defense. I don't know which name is which. This was from Kathy belich last night on jane velez mitchell.

dolphinmom

[Neffy]

**************************************************

Enough to shave his head with intent of investigating his suspicion of the body location,playing detective,yet making sure he left no evidence (falling hairs)of his own DNA presence there. Perhaps I am over reacting to his bald head, some thought b/c he may be the rapist in Orlando area, me thinks he found out where Caylee on his own with hints from *sis and then panic sets in when public discovery made, and he lawyers up with a confession to his atty. of his discovery.
Top of the mornin to all of you, I had about 4 whole hrs. of sleep last night trying to think this through and listening to tapes...Obsession:crying:

I have 5 boys who always shave their head or close to it, 2 insist on flat tops. I've never combed there hair in my life LOL! Before the lobbing of hair it's usually grown out to the point of looking like bushman from the outback then zoom out with the electric sheers.

So I don't look at this being relevent. Unless maybe I should and drug test the boys LOL!

[Regina.Lampert]

Not that this means anything just something interesting I ran into at work. I work in medical field and talk alot with patients , a young guy
" 23 " was having arrythmias' I asked him if he'd been under stress and he said yes , long story short ..work is terrible for alot of younger people , this is also close to Orange county , anyway he had lost his regular job and was struggling on his side work , dropping something in Miami , my first thought was drugs .......so i was teasing him ot get the full story ( this guy looked nerdy - too nerdy for drugs) ??? Anyway come to find out he was a drop shipped for some home porn connection , he assured me he was just the person used to ship the films to Miami .....this porn stuff and the vast array of people of involved leaves me wide open in some things read here yesterday !


LOL, better watch out that Coldwater doesn't swoop in and close you up. She gave a directive about discussing the porn angle unless and until it is revealed at trial. Just a heads up for you.

[AJandTam]

Susan Moss said for an attorney to do that it is something big.

I agree. Whatever is going on, is BIG.

[Barbara fl.]

Casey met TonE in late May. They had chatted on FB or MS prior to meeting. I don't know how long they corresponded online before meeting IRL.


I wasn't quite sure...

Then it really shows that she planned this to hurt her parents and get her freedom.....sick either way...

[PuffDragon]

I agree with your opinion Katt. Remember in the first released tapes of lee the Detectives were flattering him, telling him what a great "investigator" he was? That was done because they wanted to use him in an effort to get information from casey anthony.

Somewhere along the line that little lovefest went south. I would love to know when and why?

Very scary when your defense attorney goes National talking about tampering with evidence, aiding and abetting and obstruction. Something is going on here for sure!!!

That makes me think about that Lee/Casey phone call. It was so obvious he was relaying LE's questions. At the time I thought he was honestly trying to help them but was just a really bad actor. It just hit me, I'll bet he wasn't just being stupid. I'll bet he was reading them like that to alert Casey that he was asking things that LE wanted answers for and she should be very careful how she answered. Duh, i don't know how it took me so long to figure that out!!! :rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

She was also searching missing children at that time. Who knows who would have been the first to go if she had carried out her plan?


If I was her parents I would have been thinking that we all would have been next....If a mother can carry out this type of murder against her own baby...there is no telling what she was capable of doing....she could have murdered all of them in their sleep....and try to make it look like a "Zenaida" did it...

[trich]

Good morning everyone!!

The tape. First which PI took the video, I have heard conflicting reports. Was it Dominic Casey or Jim Hoover? Either way if it is a video of the EXACT SPOT where the remains were eventually found, that PI has some major explaining to do, imo.

However, if it's just of the general area that isn't as incriminating, but still LE should get an answer why he was there filming.

I agree, those two examples of casey anthony's statements were clues about where to look, imo.

First of all I wonder if anyone has actually seen this video?
Does it really exist?
We have yet to see that picture of the so called Nanny and Caylee and Casey that an investigator was going to pick up.(of course we all knew that would never happen)I can't believe the media has not mentioned that again.
I believe the guy who said the area had been under water up until just before they body was found.
He lived right there he should know.
I would not trust anyone from the Anthony "camp" to be telling the truth,
I also think /wish the LE would really come down on Lee if he did as I suspect and wiped out Casey's laptop...
I hope Baez is shaking in his boots about what one of these guys might say.

I think it is the Casey guy he is worried about...I believe he worked for the defense at one time.
Ssrange how so many investigators/lawyers have quit working on this case.
whether it be for the Anthonys or Casey.

[klock777]

I have looked in the Social Security Death Index for Eric James Baker.
If he exists and is Caylee's father, he either is not dead, or did not have a SS#.

Of 43 Eric Baker's listed, four died in 2007.

FamilySearch® U.S. Social Security Death Index
U.S. Social Security Death Index (http://www.familysearch.org/eng/Search/frameset_search.asp?PAGE=ssdi/search_ssdi.asp&clear_form=true)

1. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 8 Mar 1989 State Where Number was Issued: Ohio Death: 4 May 2007 [Remove]
2. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 13 May 1983 State Where Number was Issued: North Carolina Death: 30 Aug 2007 [Remove]
3. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 9 Dec 1962 State Where Number was Issued: California Death: 16 Jan 2007 [Remove]
4. Eric BAKER - U.S. Social Security Death Index
Birth: 18 Feb 1963 State Where Number was Issued: Indiana Death: 30 Aug 2007

#2 seems to be the closest possible match, but I have not found any information on him indicating a link to Florida.


Here is the photobucket...http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

Date 12/8/83 - 8/11/07

One picture shows him wearing a navy hat - real or not? He does sorta look military - hair cut and all.

There were some post about an obiturary and about Jesse or Jesus Ortiz making a comment about him

[destiny1]

She was also searching missing children at that time. Who knows who would have been the first to go if she had carried out her plan?

I believe she planned to hurt the parents and Caylee, and the fight of the 15th accellerated things and threw off all her plans (remember the self-defense and neck-breaking searches, among others) but I'm not so sure how she planned to handle Lee.

If the parents "moved out of state" and she invited others to live in the house, which I don't think she had any clue of the financial responsibility, did she actually THINK that Lee would go along with any of this? How would the grandparents fit into this scheme? they are in a nursing home, butdoes George and cindy bear any obligations there that they would be missed by people other than the grandparents?
NOT a well thought-out crime AT ALL.

[PuffDragon]

My bolding.

Yes, the "bone trail/scattering" tells us this. The uprooting of foilage into animal burrows. These bones didn't get swarmed in by animals over night and scattered across the amount of area in a short time.

The "kidnapping" story - It would seem that persons are working overtime to "make" this fit Casey's story in light of recent developments. Why film footage of that area? This is not a search but a filming to be used for future evidence. There are so many coincidences one will buy into. This isn't one of them.

*Bolding mine

I'm more interested to see where else he took videos at that same session. If he only took that one area I think the prosecution could easily discredit the whole thing and even use it against them.

And again, wasn't it under water at the time? What could you see if it were under water??

[PuffDragon]

"smartness" can be so destructive.

Especially stupid smartness. :blink:

[3Monkeys]

Here is the photobucket...http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

Date 12/8/83 - 8/11/07

One picture shows him wearing a navy hat - real or not? He does sorta look military - hair cut and all.

There were some post about an obiturary and about Jesse or Jesus Ortiz making a comment about him

Wow - JMOO - he looks a LOT like Caylee...

ETA - the spelling of his name (based on the photobucket filename) is Erik, rather than Eric.... does that make a difference for those of you searching death records?

Of course, I'm not even sure where this filename came from...

[coffee1950j]

*Bolding mine

I'm more interested to see where else he took videos at that same session. If he only took that one area I think the prosecution could easily discredit the whole thing and even use it against them.

And again, wasn't it under water at the time? What could you see if it were under water??

I highly doubt that the PI (IF he did take a video), walked 45 feet in off the street.

Everyone seems to think the bag was under the blue tarp in the photos but it wasn't. It was about 25 feet further back than the blue tarp, under the bushes. I posted the link last night when the Sheriff did the initial news broadcast. He said the remains were about 45-60 feet back off the street. And they showed how they had to cut down the bushes around it. They were hauling heaps and heaps of bushes away.

The pics that show the area with the bag identation were taken AFTER all the brush was removed.

So, someone just walking down the street, past the area, would not be able to see it. They would have to walk in quite far (such as the MR did to take a leak).

(I had posted this early this AM, just before the other thread closed)

[Neffy]

Wow - JMOO - he looks a LOT like Caylee...

Actually that's another stunning development I almost expect to see. Caylee's dad coming forward. Nothing would surprise me. I've been actually expecting that for awhile.

[GumShoeJoe]

I agree. Whatever is going on, is BIG.


Yes, yes, I agree. Something really big. How about fingerprints on duct tape? LE would know that by now. Just a guess.

jmo

[ellegna]

First of all I wonder if anyone has actually seen this video?
Does it really exist?

snipped


Kathi Belich reported their photographer saw a portion of the video
http://www.wftv.com/video/18377211/index.html

[destiny1]

ITA, I think Casey had plans to get rid of George and Cindy, I don't think Caylee was intended to be the first victim. And you are right looking back Casey wasn't all that smart.
Now thinking back to Lenny last night, is he saying that Lee called the MR and told him where the body was?

To me, that's what it sounded like he was trying to say without actually saying. before it is all said and done, he may find himself on the wrong end of all this civilly.

[PuffDragon]

Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?

Morning n/t. I have always thought that at some earlier point Casey accidentally locked Caylee in the car and had to call somebody with a spare key to come unlock the car. Supporting that to me was Cindy's one-time statement that Casey was such a good mother that she even kept a spare key in her pocket to make sure she never locked the baby in the car. At the time my hinky meter went on. Huh? If I were saying someone was a great mother that statement wouldn't be anywhere on my list, so I immediately thought, hmmmm, that must have happened before and now Cindy thinks it happened again.

And then when Lee asked Casey, "Is this like the last time?" it's the first thing I thought of. They all thought Casey had locked the baby in the car and she had died in the Florida heat. But Casey said, no, no it's not. So they took her at her word (because they know she wouldn't lie to Lee :rolleyes:) and went from there.

MOO of course.

[AJandTam]

Yes, yes, I agree. Something really big. How about fingerprints on duct tape? LE would know that by now. Just a guess.

jmo

I would think Gumshoe, that if Lee's fingerprints would have been found on the duct tape. He would have been arrested already. I don't know what forensic's they are waiting on, but I suspect there is something and the reason for no arrest so far might be because test to prove the LE's case against him are not back yet. It might be that Lee's lawyer already knows the results of the test from Lee. That's just a guess.

[breezie]

I hope that Mr. Leonard Padilla got a phone call from Roy Kronk's attorney last night. He better watch his mouth or he just might find himself at the wrong end of a civil action. imo.

why anyone still gives him the time of day just astounds me. Get him off your show, Nancy. Sheesh!

[GumShoeJoe]

I would think Gumshoe, that if Lee's fingerprints would have been found on the duct tape. He would have been arrested already. I don't know what forensic's they are waiting on, but I suspect there is something and the reason for no arrest so far might be because test to prove the LE's case against him are not back yet. It might be that Lee's lawyer already knows the results of the test from Lee. That's just a guess.

I'd agree, unless there was some major bargaining going on with Lee, Casey and the family. This is just me looking for something really big, because I agree with you, there is something big going on. That attorney on all the talk shows was just too weird.

jmo

[n/t]

Here is the photobucket...http://i435.photobucket.com/albums/qq76/Justicewanted/Caylee-Erik-Collage.jpg

Date 12/8/83 - 8/11/07

One picture shows him wearing a navy hat - real or not? He does sorta look military - hair cut and all.

There were some post about an obiturary and about Jesse or Jesus Ortiz making a comment about him

I could see some resemblance but who knows. What were the comments? Can you post them here? If not, can you please PM me. Thanks!

[MalloryCat]

I would think Gumshoe, that if Lee's fingerprints would have been found on the duct tape. He would have been arrested already. I don't know what forensic's they are waiting on, but I suspect there is something and the reason for no arrest so far might be because test to prove the LE's case against him are not back yet. It might be that Lee's lawyer already knows the results of the test from Lee. That's just a guess.

I think that Lees lawyer is using some dumb tactic, not quite sure what it is, but whatever Lee has done if anything I am sure does not involve Caylee, I think this is a weird form of hype from a media seeking Lawyer, its just a bit too weird. But, if he had something to do with Caylees death I hope he rots.

jmo

[n/t]

Morning n/t. I have always thought that at some earlier point Casey accidentally locked Caylee in the car and had to call somebody with a spare key to come unlock the car. Supporting that to me was Cindy's one-time statement that Casey was such a good mother that she even kept a spare key in her pocket to make sure she never locked the baby in the car. At the time my hinky meter went on. Huh? If I were saying someone was a great mother that statement wouldn't be anywhere on my list, so I immediately thought, hmmmm, that must have happened before and now Cindy thinks it happened again.

And then when Lee asked Casey, "Is this like the last time?" it's the first thing I thought of. They all thought Casey had locked the baby in the car and she had died in the Florida heat. But Casey said, no, no it's not. So they took her at her word (because they know she wouldn't lie to Lee :rolleyes:) and went from there.

MOO of course.


That makes sense. It could be.

[marshmallow]

why anyone still gives him the time of day just astounds me. Get him off your show, Nancy. Sheesh!

I've always gone with the theory of 'if it comes out on LP's mouth, it isn't worth listening to'

[AMS]

A comment from the NG show last night regarding Lee's attorney.


http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html


HOLLY HUGHES, PROSECUTOR: What I make of it is he knows a heck of a lot more than he`s telling us. And obviously, because of attorney/client privilege, he has to keep so much of it secret. But he knows that Lee is in this up to his neck, Jean, because otherwise, he`s not out there trying to taint the jury pool and, Oh, feel sorry for this family, and, They`re going after George and Cindy, and now they might be going after Lee.

And I think what he`s trying to do is put it out there that the prosecutor is a big bad wolf and they`re going after this grieving family, so that if and when Lee gets charged, they can say, Oh, you know, they`re over the top. Not only are they going after Casey, they`re going after everybody else.

[PuffDragon]

Ah yes and through the wonders of computer forensics, they can tell exactly what time items were deleted from that computer. There is no innocent explanation for why lee anthony is deleting anything off casey's computer on that night, when as you say Caylee is missing.

And, like the hound that didn't howl, the things that aren't there should be very important to consider.

[Mimi428]

WFTV is reporting the video was done by Jim Hoover. http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html#-

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

Sorry to jump ahead & if this has already been hashed over, my apologies, but just what the heck is Baez trying to say in this underlined portion?

Investigators also want to talk to the Anthonys' private investigator who works with Hoover, Dominic Casey. The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.

Baez said investigators won't let him sit in on the questioning, so he's asking the judge to appoint a special master to protect defense secrets if the private eye agrees to talk.

"Investigators have tried to make arrangements with Mr. Casey to speak to him and he's not responded," Padilla said.

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet this morning to grasp that, but it sounds to me as if Baez is indicating that he & Casey A might have had a conversation that included not only that specific area but also that the body MIGHT be found there.

I sure hope Katprint or someone with some specific legal knowledge can help us out with HOW THE H#LL it could be possible that someone's defense attorney could know where a CORPSE was located & keep that information privileged. If he knew for a fact where a corpse was, does that not get into the realm of suborning perjury if he later promotes a bogus story in the courtroom about how his client knew nothing about it???

My mind in still boggled over this, all of it.

[trich]

Kathi Belich reported their photographer saw a portion of the video
http://www.wftv.com/video/18377211/index.html

thanks for the clip....I found it very interesting that she said that a spokesman for the defense does not want any information released by the investigator that might have stated where the body could have been.
Now how strange is that.
go back and listen to it again and see if that does not sound right.

[n/t]

Erik James Baker....I found this facebook but it's set to private so I can't really tell if it's the same guy.

Does he look like the guy in the montage? This Erik's hair is longer.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-James-Baker/13712125

[MalloryCat]

Good morning Mallory, how you're well. I don't think Lee had anything to do with the death, though I do think he was involved after the fact. I can't get past him and Casey ^5ing at the jail, and then just dropping out of sight. I reread his statement Saturday and every time he talked of the "smell" he laughed. There is just something very off about him.


Good morning! And I dont doubt Lee may be shady, but why if involved in anyway, not move the body where it would never be found?

[marshmallow]

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

Sorry to jump ahead & if this has already been hashed over, my apologies, but just what the heck is Baez trying to say in this underlined portion?

Investigators also want to talk to the Anthonys' private investigator who works with Hoover, Dominic Casey. The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.

Baez said investigators won't let him sit in on the questioning, so he's asking the judge to appoint a special master to protect defense secrets if the private eye agrees to talk.

"Investigators have tried to make arrangements with Mr. Casey to speak to him and he's not responded," Padilla said.

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet this morning to grasp that, but it sounds to me as if Baez is indicating that he & Casey A might have had a conversation that included not only that specific area but also that the body MIGHT be found there.

I sure hope Katprint or someone with some specific legal knowledge can help us out with HOW THE H#LL it could be possible that someone's defense attorney could know where a CORPSE was located & keep that information privileged. If he knew for a fact where a corpse was, does that not get into the realm of suborning perjury if he later promotes a bogus story in the courtroom about how his client knew nothing about it???

My mind in still boggled over this, all of it.




that got me too. I kept wondering why they were so publicly insistant about finding a live Caylee if they were privately discussing where her remains were.

[trich]

Erik James Baker....I found this facebook but it's set to private so I can't really tell if it's the same guy.

Does he look like the guy in the montage? This Erik's hair is longer.

http://www.facebook.com/people/Erik-James-Baker/13712125

Okay what did I miss about Erik James Baker?
why is it now being suggested that he might be Caylee's father.
Personally I don't believe Casey knows who the father is since she seemed to have slept with so many.

[cassidy]

The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.




.

Just another quick question for Katprint should she come on today. If Baez revealed priveleged information to anyone is it considered no longer privileged?

[bluwaters]

<snipped respectfully>
I would say that I found it curious that the Anthony's got an attorney that specializes in obstruction of justice while LEE gets himself one that specializes in MURDER.
I think it will be interesting to see when these attorneys start turning on one another, in the interests of their own client(s).
I think that G&C may each end up with their own attorney before this is over. JMHO

[Boxer]

I think it will be interesting to see when these attorneys start turning on one another, in the interests of their own client(s).
I think that G&C may each end up with their own attorney before this is over. JMHO

I agree completely. It's going to turn into a WWE cage match.

[AJandTam]

I'd agree, unless there was some major bargaining going on with Lee, Casey and the family. This is just me looking for something really big, because I agree with you, there is something big going on. That attorney on all the talk shows was just too weird.

jmo

There is alot going on behind the scenes IMHO. What we just never know. Sometimes we make good educated guesses and sometimes when we find out what it is. We are just totally blown away, as we never even thought of what it turns out to be.. This case thus far is good for a twist and turn, that's for sure.

Whatever is going on behind the scenes. Dear Lord, pray for those who are dealing w/Cindy right now. I have a feeling she's ready to blow like Mt. St. Helen by now...

[cassidy]

Good morning! And I dont doubt Lee may be shady, but why if involved in anyway, not move the body where it would never be found?

Fear of being seen? That neighborhood was loaded with people once Casey was arrested? Maybe the right time never presented itself?
:shrug:

[Boxer]

There is alot going on behind the scenes IMHO. What we just never know. Sometimes we make good educated guesses and sometimes when we find out what it is. We are just totally blown away, as we never even thought of what it turns out to be.. This case thus far is good for a twist and turn, that's for sure.

Whatever is going on behind the scenes. Dear Lord, pray for those who are dealing w/Cindy right now. I have a feeling she's ready to blow like Mt. St. Helen by now...



perhaps they can solicit funds for a good shrink for her...:cool:

[destiny1]

I think it will be interesting to see when these attorneys start turning on one another, in the interests of their own client(s).
I think that G&C may each end up with their own attorney before this is over. JMHO



I could see a conflict of interest on that horizon. It all depends on what is privileged, what was known by who first, and who did what to hide it.

[AJandTam]

thanks for the clip....I found it very interesting that she said that a spokesman for the defense does not want any information released by the investigator that might have stated where the body could have been.
Now how strange is that.
go back and listen to it again and see if that does not sound right.

Hi Trich.. Remember that discussion about the area where Caylee was found being underwater. Was Kathi the reporter who was shaking her head and saying No it wasn't?

[trich]

that got me too. I kept wondering why they were so publicly insistant about finding a live Caylee if they were privately discussing where her remains were.

Sounds to me like the defense might want to fire this spokesman now.
How dumb are these lawyers and spokesman to be publically saying all this stuff.
I just don't get it.

I just thought of something...I wonder if this Casey guy is the one who was suppose to have been sent to pick up that picture Baez said someone had of th enanny, Casey and Caylee...
Bet he has a truckload of information that is not exactly good for the defense.(sounds to me like he is hiding)
Are investigators working on a case held to the same standards as lawyers as far as privilege goes?

[MalloryCat]

Fear of being seen? That neighborhood was loaded with people once Casey was arrested? Maybe the right time never presented itself?
:shrug:

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc? It sounds to me like Casey dropped the body off and its been there since the death, even Tim Miller said the impression was in the soil, so I dont think Lee touched the body, and I just dont see Casey telling anyone she murdered and disposed of her daughter, so what could he really have done that was so terribly bad? I am positive LE checked his wearabouts surrouding the days Caylee went missing, there was also no telephone activity between Lee and Casey in June, and the months surrounding.

So what could he possibly have done?

[trt]

Good morning! And I dont doubt Lee may be shady, but why if involved in anyway, not move the body where it would never be found?

If the area was under water, perhaps he was waiting for the right time. Perhaps every time he went, he felt too *hot*. There is no easy explanation for why a missing Caylee's uncle would be seen moving a bag to or from that area. JMO

[Mandysmom]

Good morning. I also would like to know the reasons behind the P.I. videotaping the specific area where Caylee was found.

If he was following all of these "live" sightings, what could have led him to this particular place?

:blink:

[AJandTam]

perhaps they can solicit funds for a good shrink for her...:cool:

Morning Boxer..

Now how much would it cost to take on a case like that?? And who would be brave enough?? OMG, can you imagine? She was one nasty women before the house of cards started to fall. I can only imagine what she is like now...

[kitty1182]

This case gets more crazier each day..

[Jeepers]

I am thinking that Baez and his smart dumb arse self is gonna get in big trouble. I think that is what LKB is about. I think it's He77 with Casey get Baez outta trouble this PI business is gonna sink his ship with all the gold aboard if he is'nt careful.

[destiny1]

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc? It sounds to me like Casey dropped the body off and its been there since the death, even Tim Miller said the impression was in the soil, so I dont think Lee touched the body, and I just dont see Casey telling anyone she murdered and disposed of her daughter, so what could he really have done that was so terribly bad? I am positive LE checked his wearabouts surrouding the days Caylee went missing, there was also no telephone activity between Lee and Casey in June, and the months surrounding.

So what could he possibly have done?


The impression in the soil doesnt take long to make. depending on the soil type and saturation. I would wait for the complete FBI forensics reports to come in. I'm sure Florida residents would know more about that than I, though.

[trt]

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc?

So what could he possibly have done?

SNIPPED

Of course she was...but her alternative was???? Leave the body in her abandoned car? Leave it in her parents home?

I don't know what he could have done, but it sounds like his attorney knows and he knows that its not good for Lee at all.

JMO

[AJandTam]

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc? It sounds to me like Casey dropped the body off and its been there since the death, even Tim Miller said the impression was in the soil, so I dont think Lee touched the body, and I just dont see Casey telling anyone she murdered and disposed of her daughter, so what could he really have done that was so terribly bad? I am positive LE checked his wearabouts surrouding the days Caylee went missing, there was also no telephone activity between Lee and Casey in June, and the months surrounding.

So what could he possibly have done?

This is a good question Mallory. I do not have an exact answer for you. We know he may have tampered w/the laptop and erased files but honestly. I don't think that is what this is about. This case is so crazy. I guess we just have to wait and see. I do think by the way his lawyer is carrying on. He must have done something big...

[Pruddennce]

G'morning, Des, and all.

respectfully snipped....

Casey, IMO, is just feeding Lee a line of carp. Something that I noticed in the convo's she has with her family. She doesn't really say much. They talk. She listens. Alot of 'absolutely' and agreeing with what is said.

yes, and alot of tears ......

casey only cries when her family talks about HER and how much they love her and stand by her. (link, every crying jag she exhibited with her parents in attendance, including the bond hearing). not to leave out her pre-arrest interview as Baez talked all about HER. wa wa wa.....YES! its still all about ME!

did she cry when she was dictating her messages to the press about Caylee, one to Lee, one to Cindy, which BTW, were never read?

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LEECASEY0728PT2_120420080330&cat=CAC&title=Lee%20And%20Casey%20Part%202

towards the end, tells Lee she wants this msg out, anyone that knows anything:

"come forward WITHOUT HASTE?" <---without?

"we miss her we love her, I miss her, I love her" then she reverts back to WE.....<---this is her message to the press about her daughter...WE

nah...not a tear about caylee, but does this whole act when talking about "THE FAMILY" and the 'hand'......gotta love it.

statement about Caylee to the press....blah and business-like.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[destiny1]

I really think at this point they wanted her to be found, they know Casey will never see the light of day, she was found while George and Cindy were out of state, she was found just before Christmas. I think this was planned.


One coincidence. Two? But no more! There are just too many.

[MalloryCat]

I really think at this point they wanted her to be found, they know Casey will never see the light of day, she was found while George and Cindy were out of state, she was found just before Christmas. I think this was planned.

Ok, now I kinda think you may be onto something, but in order for this to be true, Kronk would have to be involved with Lee, and I just cant buy that, I really cant. Do you believe that, does anyone?

[bchand]

Lee is likable? When did that happen? I thought that was out the door ages ago when he started throwing dog bowls and signs.


Morning everyone. Just have time for a bit of reading this morning but had to agree with Bratlings about this one.

Lee likeable??? No way. He picks on women, dogs and signs. Whatta guy.

[KayOh]

I knew it! I just KNEW the prosecution would use obstruction charges to get the Anthony's to cooperate. I think it just might work, too.

[Jeepers]

I believe she planned to hurt the parents and Caylee, and the fight of the 15th accellerated things and threw off all her plans (remember the self-defense and neck-breaking searches, among others) but I'm not so sure how she planned to handle Lee.

If the parents "moved out of state" and she invited others to live in the house, which I don't think she had any clue of the financial responsibility, did she actually THINK that Lee would go along with any of this? How would the grandparents fit into this scheme? they are in a nursing home, butdoes George and cindy bear any obligations there that they would be missed by people other than the grandparents?
NOT a well thought-out crime AT ALL.

I think she was entertaining these evil thoughts back March because of PR trip. I think she was so mad at everybody and everything. I think she dabbled on computer playing her little sick minds games getting revenge in her mind. The 15th of June just put everything in motion. I don't think it was an accident that she killed Caylee I think in her rage she did it. She had entertained those thoughts and with the fight with Cindy she murdered Caylee. No Casey was not thinking, thinking it was a quick response to Cindy rants about stealing, lying and being a bad mother. I can hear Cindy rant: not home for my birthday, not home for Father's Day, not spending time with Caylee, stealing and lying yadda yadda, get out, leave git your chit and go. Casey went off and in her twisted mind she is making them pay for it. Now everyone is in trouble and going down the tube with her. Casey won! She is taking em all down with her. They are too stupid to see it!

[really3997]

Just thought I would post this before I head out. Sorry know you are in the middle of discussion.

http://s377.photobucket.com/albums/oo218/really3997/memorial/

[Regina.Lampert]

Thanks for that link - much appreciated.

Sorry to jump ahead & if this has already been hashed over, my apologies, but just what the heck is Baez trying to say in this underlined portion?

Investigators also want to talk to the Anthonys' private investigator who works with Hoover, Dominic Casey. The defense wants to intervene, because Dominic Casey used to work for the defense and attorney Jose Baez doesn't want him to divulge privileged information.

Baez said investigators won't let him sit in on the questioning, so he's asking the judge to appoint a special master to protect defense secrets if the private eye agrees to talk.

"Investigators have tried to make arrangements with Mr. Casey to speak to him and he's not responded," Padilla said.

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

Maybe I have not had enough coffee yet this morning to grasp that, but it sounds to me as if Baez is indicating that he & Casey A might have had a conversation that included not only that specific area but also that the body MIGHT be found there.

I sure hope Katprint or someone with some specific legal knowledge can help us out with HOW THE H#LL it could be possible that someone's defense attorney could know where a CORPSE was located & keep that information privileged. If he knew for a fact where a corpse was, does that not get into the realm of suborning perjury if he later promotes a bogus story in the courtroom about how his client knew nothing about it???

My mind in still boggled over this, all of it.


Yep, we have all been aghast over that statement. Also, iirc it would be against the law for baez to actually know where that body was and not tell LE, client or no client. Way back the attorney's on NG discussed this aspect.

[jammies]

Well, I am no forensic anything but it seems to me that standing water would not destroy the imprint of a body. As it decays and floats away the imprint would still be there it seems to me of what was originally there.


Our way back yard floods every year in the spring. Not rushing water, but standing water. It's amazing what damage water can do. It changes the landscape, moves everything in it's wake. We find all sorts of stuff and things that were once in a certain place are moved elsewhere.

If that body were there since June, I can imagine how tough this will be for investigators to figure the how/what/where/when.

[destiny1]

SNIPPED

Of course she was...but her alternative was???? Leave the body in her abandoned car? Leave it in her parents home?

I don't know what he could have done, but it sounds like his attorney knows and he knows that its not good for Lee at all.

JMO

IMO Lee knew caylee was dead as of the 15th, went to do some housecleaning at Tonys and on the computer, and QUITE POSSIBLY advised casey on disposing of the body be it out of panic or otherwise.

[no1what]

Des, thanks for those statements and you pose a very good question for the anthonys. One I am certain, in their new and exciting effort to cooperate with LE in a search for the truth, they will cough up an answer for, imo.


------------------------------------------------------

One of the defense attorney on NG last night was saying that the defense does not have to turn over any of their evidence to the prosecutors office....that would harm Casey's defense. However I do think they have to turn over evidense they will use in court (not sure).

but........ if this video proves the body wasn't there in November why wouldn't you want to turn over a copy? And how could this video be negative evidence?

also if the Casey is innocent then why would the Anthonys fear the LE pressing charges against them?

[CANDYKISSES]

I really think at this point they wanted her to be found, they know Casey will never see the light of day, she was found while George and Cindy were out of state, she was found just before Christmas. I think this was planned.


I think there are too many coincidences too CA...at first all the karma fit. But the more I thought about it and the news as it developed while remembering George's face the night before....SOLD.

I won't claim to know the hows and whys with regard to this guy, but something is strangely amiss and I hope it's being looked into under a microscope. JMO.

I would want to see any and everything related to cell phones, but I have a feeling the Anthony's were using a pay as you go after all the messages were retrieved from their account on Casey.

Again, JMO.:blink:

[jammies]

Ok, now I kinda think you may be onto something, but in order for this to be true, Kronk would have to be involved with Lee, and I just cant buy that, I really cant. Do you believe that, does anyone?


I don't and from everything I've read, neither does LE. But everyday brings a new WHOA moment, so time will tell.

[cassidy]

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc? It sounds to me like Casey dropped the body off and its been there since the death, even Tim Miller said the impression was in the soil, so I dont think Lee touched the body, and I just dont see Casey telling anyone she murdered and disposed of her daughter, so what could he really have done that was so terribly bad? I am positive LE checked his wearabouts surrouding the days Caylee went missing, there was also no telephone activity between Lee and Casey in June, and the months surrounding.

So what could he possibly have done?

I'm going from the theory that Lee didn't know Caylee's whereabouts until after Casey was arrested. He couldn't have moved the body after that for fear of being seen by somebody. After Casey was arrested there were lots of eyes on him and on that neighborhood. JMO

[toadii]

Eric H. Baker is the Founder and CEO of viagogo. Prior to viagogo, Eric co-founded StubHub.com, the leading U.S. online secondary ticketing company for live events.

Was this a part of Casey's job ruse?
Eric James Baker, 12/08/83 to 08/11/07, is among the group of possible paternity. Casey left an RIP type message on his myspace and he would fit her storyline of the father being deceased and a way to get Cindy off her back.
I have no knowledge of FL state aid regulations however I find it difficult to believe that Cindy, the sole provider of a family of four,did not consider state aid.
Some have said this may be due to Cindy wanting complete control over Caylee however I believe that the Cindy we have seen would feel as if she could control any and all situations.
In my state a child for whom aid is requested must be issued a social social number. There is no number listed on the birth certificate in the early doc dump, but there was a birth form with the ss# redacted in the last doc dump.
Cindy stated at the bond hearing that Caylee's birth was paid for by Casey's ins,(Kodack kiosk ins.?) which did not ring true to me...full ob/gyn would be great coverage for a lowly picture taker. And we know that after that Casey never worked and Cindy paid for everything.
I suspect that state aid may have been pursued in the beginning and, if true, Cindy's need to keep up appearances would never allow her to admit it. In my state you can prevent the state from pursuing reimbursement by either listing the father as unknown or claiming that if the father was notified it would place mother and child at risk due to domestic violence.
This may be of no consequence, however it is one of a legend of statements from Cindy that I just don't buy.

[CANDYKISSES]

I don't know what to think, I change my mind 10 times a day, What I do believe though is we are in for some big suprises. The thing that bothers me about Kronk is his first 3 reportings and then finding the body 5 months later. Something is weird about that to me.


Add this.

Of all the people I know from NOSEY NED's to the DO GOODERS who would report something like that would either report it and be done, or the second time open the bag themselves with a branch or something in the trunk of their car.

Why all the visits and calls without ever looking INSIDE THE BAG???:unsure:

[Remy]

[QUOTE=desmom;12593336]Good Morning!



"Check places locally Lee, in all honestly, places that are familiar to us, to our family," Casey said.[/I]

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html
Lee Anthony: (inaudible) to be looking for the nanny's place. Would it be advantageous of me to look in areas that are familiar to another friend that you may have?

Casey Anthony: That would be pretty much on the money.




Snipped for space...I picked up on the right away.

Good morning everyone! I noticed that a while back and she also gave him clues in her "code talk" about the lost phone at J Blanchard park where she kept saying it's not level. I think she was meaning where Caylee was and not her phone.

I just have a really hard time believing Cindy knew where Caylee was and am more inclined to think that Lee and George were in on it but I've been wrong many times in this case so I'm interested in what everyone else thinks.

[jammies]

Add this.

Of all the people I know from NOSEY NED's to the DO GOODERS who would report something like that would either report it and be done, or the second time open the bag themselves with a branch or something in the trunk of their car.

Why all the visits and calls without ever looking INSIDE THE BAG???:unsure:



To be honest, I wouldn't have looked in that bag either. No way, no how. He begged LE to take care of it. When they didn't find anything I believe he had a nagging suspicion that she was there....SOMEWHERE. He finally got the courage to go in and search himself....

I can myself in his shoes.

[DoubleFelix]

Good Morning all

Des, was it in the same jailhouse call that Lee asks Casey if this was like the last time? I'm trying to locate the transcript of that call and can't find it. Why would he ask that? Last time she buried something?


I'm a couple of hours behind so this may have already been answered, but I think Lee asked "Is this like the last time?"
in one of the phone conversations before he had actually visited the jail. I have no links handy, so this is just my recollection, but I'm thinking it was in the phone call after Lee found out that all phone calls were being taped, when he told her that he didn't know that in the other call, and he wanted her to know "they were on the same page" or something like that. I think, JMO

[ruth66]

Good morning. I also would like to know the reasons behind the P.I. videotaping the specific area where Caylee was found.

If he was following all of these "live" sightings, what could have led him to this particular place?

:blink:

Hello Everyone, just reading up for a few minutes. Been upacking boxes for the last 2 weeks.

Isn't it interesting that 2 people that are connected to the Anthony's in some way (the woman with the photograph of the area) have come forward about the area where CAYLEE'S remains were found? Sounds to me that the defense is trying very hard to create reasonable doubt in a new fashion now that CAYLEE has been found and they can no longer claim "the nanny took her".

[MalloryCat]

I don't know what to think, I change my mind 10 times a day, What I do believe though is we are in for some big suprises. The thing that bothers me about Kronk is his first 3 reportings and then finding the body 5 months later. Something is weird about that to me.

Yeah, and if he was associated with Lee, that would mean Lee knew Kronk in August, and if that comes out my mind will be blown.

But I just think its too sloppy. And I am not ready to consider Lee and Casey are like Menendez 2.0 and killed Caylee, I think Casey did that all herself and its not like she needs an accomplice to dump the body on the side of the road, so what the heck is going on?

[nc1948]

And remember that one guy that did the press conference for Baez that said something about "dealing with the loss of life of the child" which Nancy Grace went berserk over? If they knew back then, and yet they continued the ruse of the kidnapping, they all should go to jail. Every last one of them.

If they knew, and I believe they all did, could part of their legal problem be that they were still soliciting donations to search???

[ann10]

I don't know what to think, I change my mind 10 times a day, What I do believe though is we are in for some big suprises. The thing that bothers me about Kronk is his first 3 reportings and then finding the body 5 months later. Something is weird about that to me.



This is how I feel, as well. I believe Kronk was tipped off, but I felt it was as early as August when he first called. We has this same discussion here on December 23rd about someone clueing him in to where the body was.

I also find the audio tapes of Kronk to be suspicious. imo.

[CANDYKISSES]

I will never forget George on LKL, the way his eyes were darting, he didn't even believe what was coming out of his mouth, the way Cindy never took her hand off of his, like she was trying to help him keep it together. For the life of me though, I can't figure out why they did the show. And then when she got the call that a body was found, all she said was "okay". I think they both breathed a sigh of release that the game was finally over. JMO.

In my heart I can't dismiss the idea of George knowing it was going to come to a head and they wouldn't be at home to battle the people who are driven to act out. JMO tho. He was more nervous than any time I have ever seen him in public. I can't get past that and I was so comfortable that the Karma Fairy had come with the dust for all concerned after Jose put the trial date off....:blush:

ALSO, did anyone else have a link to the emails between Casey and Lee that mosey2 was referencing last night?:unsure:

[jammies]

Wasn't it Lee and Cindy that snuck out in the middle of the night?


Yes. And that bothers me. Notice there is nothing in the doc dump about their late night getaway. Wouldn't LE have confirmed this with the nursing home? Or Great Grandma?

[ellegna]

Well, Casey dropped the body off, wouldnt she have been afraid of being seen, etc?

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Just a guess....Casey probably disposed of Caylee in the wee hours when most people in the area were fast asleep. She could slip in and out without being detected. Even if she used a flashlight, neighbors most likely would not have given any notice since it was known this area was frequented by partying teenagers

[CANDYKISSES]

This is how I feel, as well. I believe Kronk was tipped off, but I felt it was as early as August when he first called. We has this same discussion here on December 23rd about someone clueing him in to where the body was.

I also find the audio tapes of Kronk to be suspicious. imo.

UH HUH...especially the way Mr. Nice Guy mentions not wanting to be finding a dead body....sump'in stinky here IMOO. :w00t:

[MalloryCat]

Just a guess....Casey probably disposed of Caylee in the wee hours when most people in the area were fast asleep. She could slip in and out without being detected. Even if she used a flashlight, neighbors most likely would not have given any notice since it was known this area was frequented by partying teenagers


Right, but at the same time Lee could have done the same thing and moved the body to help his disgusting sister.

[ann10]

ie. the Baez telling LE the location of the body, I am not sure if he is bound to do so. The body is not an instrumentality of the commission of the crime, so I'm not sure.

Could be, however. If Casey gave him the knife that she used, {hypothetical}, he would have to turn that over to LE.

[no1what]

I agree that he did ask her something about "familiar places" and I remember Casey saying that her gut feeling is that Caylee is close to home.....That could have been a code but I doubt that Lee picked up on the spot...I do not see him as being that smart....

The body has already been proven by the states experts to have been in that spot for months and most likely since the beginning of her disappearence...

It is all a crock in my books....just a ploy as was the staged sightings of Caylee all over town.....low tactics by the defense...a Linda Baden type of ploy.....JMO


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For the animals to take interest in the bag the bones would have had to have had soft tissue on them when they were placed there. I think I remember someone saying that it would not have taken long in that type of environment for the decomp of the body.

[CANDYKISSES]

Yeah, and if he was associated with Lee, that would mean Lee knew Kronk in August, and if that comes out my mind will be blown.

But I just think its too sloppy. And I am not ready to consider Lee and Casey are like Menendez 2.0 and killed Caylee, I think Casey did that all herself and its not like she needs an accomplice to dump the body on the side of the road, so what the heck is going on?


How are you so convinced Caylee was MURDERED as opposed to a tragic accident when we still don't know the story behind the duct tape? :confused:

I still think she had help after Caylee's death and the family was in the know perpetrating yet another hoax on the public. JMO THO and nothing more. :cursing:

[cassidy]

Right, but at the same time Lee could have done the same thing and moved the body to help his disgusting sister.

IF Lee didn't know what Casey did until after she got arrested, that would have made it much more difficult to try and move the body. Especially if the area was covered in water for a long period of time. I am going on the assumption that Lee didn't know that Casey had killed Caylee until it was too late to do anything.

JMO

[nc1948]

Wasn't it Lee and Cindy that snuck out in the middle of the night?

Yes, she bragged about getting away with it. Wonder if this was a trial run to see if they could possibly move the body.

[jammies]

I agree no way in hell I would be looking in any bag I thought a decaying body might be in. Especially a child's body, and especially not one in the vicinity of the Anthony home.

One day the kids came and told me the cat was dead, I asked them how they knew? They said she isn't moving. So I went and looked and sure enough she seemed to be frozen in time. I called her name, and she didn't respond. I couldn't even touch her, I was so afraid. I never ran so fast to get my husband to handle this than ever before. All to find out she was fine & sleeping...lol So I already know, no way I could have looked in that bag.


I'm the EXACT same, brat. Those woods behind my house? Ever since this case started I'm a wee bit anxious to walk back there. Last year we found a tent site where a homeless person had been living. Totally creeped me out. I now walk back there only with hubby. If I came upon a garbage back that looked to be full, no way on God's green earth would I get near. Hubby would get the honors.

That, and I'm petrified of snakes and we don't even have poisonous ones. I GET this Kronk guy.

[Neffy]

Just a guess....Casey probably disposed of Caylee in the wee hours when most people in the area were fast asleep. She could slip in and out without being detected. Even if she used a flashlight, neighbors most likely would not have given any notice since it was known this area was frequented by partying teenagers

That would be the smart thing to do, wait until no one was around.

But other then their neighbor, no one seemed to notice much of anything. Typical neighborhood I'd say.

I recall the neighbors say no one searched those woods and they were all surprised. Then we here Kiomarie was there with LE (or vicinity), Caylee's remains which obviously said someone was there), MR was there, MR with LE was there, that "psychic with the dog" says she was there, now we have footage of this guy filming the place. No one noticed any of that either.

Where's Alice Kravitz when you need her.

[Regina.Lampert]

I could see a conflict of interest on that horizon. It all depends on what is privileged, what was known by who first, and who did what to hide it.

I agree spicy one, conflict of interests galore!! I do believe that LE is pulling all the strings, one against the other. I love it!! :thumbsup:

[destiny1]

Add this.

Of all the people I know from NOSEY NED's to the DO GOODERS who would report something like that would either report it and be done, or the second time open the bag themselves with a branch or something in the trunk of their car.

Why all the visits and calls without ever looking INSIDE THE BAG???:unsure:

I certainly would have looked, taken pictures, and gone down to OCSD if I were so sure.

[MalloryCat]

How are you so convinced Caylee was MURDERED as opposed to a tragic accident when we still don't know the story behind the duct tape? :confused:

I still think she had help after Caylee's death and the family was in the know perpetrating yet another hoax on the public. JMO THO and nothing more. :cursing:


Actually, most of the time I think Caylee died as a result of an accident, and if she was truly found with her swimsuit, I may lean further that way, LE has never confirmed duct tape or the suit.

And there is no way I will ever believe they knew Caylee was rotting at the end of the road and just dealt with it, no way.

jmo

[MalloryCat]

Yeah that looks very bad for the OCS but Baez is no "dream team" and he is not getting Casey off because the glove didn't fit. They will probably just admit they dropped the ball, with all of the tips coming in and the flooding and such and then the jury will disregard it. I'd be shocked if the jury heard anything at all after the detectives hear those tapes of all her lies. That right there will seal her guilty verdict. I don't even care either if the jury convicts on mere shock value of all of it.


But why did the pick Kronk? And wouldn't Kronk be charged with obstruction if he didn't tell the LE Baez told him where to find Caylee?

And I agree, I dont care how she gets convicted either, I just care it happens.

[Regina.Lampert]

Our way back yard floods every year in the spring. Not rushing water, but standing water. It's amazing what damage water can do. It changes the landscape, moves everything in it's wake. We find all sorts of stuff and things that were once in a certain place are moved elsewhere.

If that body were there since June, I can imagine how tough this will be for investigators to figure the how/what/where/when.


This is so true. The year that hurricane Isobel swept thru Baltimore, our little creek just off the Chesapeake Bay was inundated with high level water bringing all kinds of debris, including a section of someone's pier with their BOAT STILL MOORED TO IT. Amazing destruction can be caused by water.

[ishkabibble]

IF there is such a tape...and I mean "IF"...and it was taken a month before Caylee's remains were found...It would be more suspect that a picture was taken at the spot where Caylee's remains were found...It would indicate that the Anthony's knew where the body was and had it moved for a picture and then put right back....That seems a little impossible in my books and a little risky...

The tape has to be a fraud and staged "IF" it exists....It is another ploy which to me indicates they are going with the defense that Casey could not have committed the murder....However that will not take away from the odor of death in her car...But Linda Baden and that "dream team" are capable of saying anything at all in hope to reach that one "not to bright" juror....(that's how they work"...

No one else was involved with this murder but Casey....

Padilla need to just stick with looking for bail jumpers....Him saying that the meter reader is involved and that Lee was the connection between Casey and the meter reader is absurd....LP needs that lie detector test, in my opinion.....If any obstruction of justice was done it was done by him and HIS team.....JMO

Reminds me of the "photo" Baez claims to have of Zenaida in JB Park that never materialized. this may go the same way.

[Katt2]

Actually, most of the time I think Caylee died as a result of an accident, and if she was truly found with her swimsuit, I may lean further that way, LE has never confirmed duct tape or the suit.

And there is no way I will ever believe they knew Caylee was rotting at the end of the road and just dealt with it, no way.

jmo

I am in agreement with you Mallory on all counts.

[jammies]

This is so true. The year that hurricane Isobel swept thru Baltimore, our little creek just off the Chesapeake Bay was inundated with high level water bringing all kinds of debris, including a section of someone's pier with their BOAT STILL MOORED TO IT. Amazing destruction can be caused by water.


Ditto that. Two years ago it flooded so bad that everything in our neighbors yards ended up in OUR back yard. Every toy, lawn furniture, old tires, pots of flowers, etc. Our water only lasts a few days and dissipates. Can't imagine months of standing water.

[MalloryCat]

OK, Some defense attorneys play little word games. Such as, I don't want to know if you are guilty or innocent. Let us speak hypothetically Casey, if you had killed your daughter... where would we look for her remains? Therefore she has not admitted anything, Baez technically doesn't know anything, and Kronk does not find anything and at the same time provides the so called proof that the body was not there. That way when the body is found they can say, it wasn't there before and use it as reasonable doubt. Get it?

Yes. Now, did Baez have the tips that were called in, so is there a chance he heard Kronks 3 calls prior? Or was that in the tips Baez never picked up? I am just trying to figure out how Baez got in touch with Kronk, if thats what happened?

[Remy]

n/t this is one of the statements that haunts me. What in the world did he mean? I can't find the transcript either, but that is what was said. "Is this like last time" what last time?

I'm terrible with finding documents and I don't even know how to attach links but I thought that comment was in her first call to home when she wanted TonE's number or one of the first calls. I don't think it was a video but I will try and find it.

[GumShoeJoe]

Reminds me of the "photo" Baez claims to have of Zenaida in JB Park that never materialized. this may go the same way.

And not unlike all the "sightings" that ocurred right around the times Tim Miller was going to search, or when there was going to be a document dump imo.

[ishkabibble]

I've been thinking lately about how Casey got the info on Zenaida, I wonder if she saw her car at Sawgrass when she was apartment hunting and had her friend Rusicano run the plate for info. It would be interesting to know what kind of vehicle she does have and also if there is a way to track the information Rusicano looked up when he was employed. I don't know if they can check any motor vehicle lookups, but I know here each employee who looks up info for a persons criminal history has to enter their PIN and that info is stored. There has to be justification to look it up or they can be disciplined.

[ann10]

But why did the pick Kronk? And wouldn't Kronk be charged with obstruction if he didn't tell the LE Baez told him where to find Caylee?

And I agree, I dont care how she gets convicted either, I just care it happens.


It wasn't necessarily Baez who tipped Kronk, and whoever it was would have done so anonymously. imo

[kate482000]

I agree that he did ask her something about "familiar places" and I remember Casey saying that her gut feeling is that Caylee is close to home.....That could have been a code but I doubt that Lee picked up on the spot...I do not see him as being that smart....

The body has already been proven by the states experts to have been in that spot for months and most likely since the beginning of her disappearence...

It is all a crock in my books....just a ploy as was the staged sightings of Caylee all over town.....low tactics by the defense...a Linda Baden type of ploy.....JMO

IIRC Didn't Tim Miller say that the place where Caylee had been found had a indentation and brown leaves that look they had been that way for a long time? I am sure LE has photos of this and forensic evidence of how long she was there....I know that insect evidence can be very persuasive...

[breezie]

I'm terrible with finding documents and I don't even know how to attach links but I thought that comment was in her first call to home when she wanted TonE's number or one of the first calls. I don't think it was a video but I will try and find it.

This is that first phone call home looking for TonE's number.

http://ca.youtube.com/watch?v=ZTErOwr53XQ&feature=related

[MalloryCat]

Sorry, Now I am confusing the PI with the Meter reader. No, I do not think the meter reader was in on it, Is his name Kronk? My hypothetical was to explain possibilities of why the PI was videotaping that area.

Yeah, Kronk is the meter reader. Sorry, I got confused!!

[Dunlurken]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle



:rose::rose:


You may also wish to sign Caylee's Guest Book

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033
Thank you for those links. There are 319 entries on the guest book.

I have to play catch up. Be back in a few.

[AJandTam]

Yeah, Kronk is the meter reader. Sorry, I got confused!!

Don't feel bad Mallory. We are all doing that. The cast of charactors is so confusing.. Casey/Caylee.. Simular names. The Tonys/anthony is a confusing name in this case. Now we have a Dominic Casey. The Padilla the LE guy verses Lenny Padilla. Then there is Lee and Henry Lee.. It's enough to fry all our brains..

[no1what]

I don't believe it had to do with a phone call with Zenaida. Hopefully, someone will post the transcripts of that jailhouse call. I tried to google but couldn't find it. I'll try again.

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Also if the nanny really had Caylee the cell phone would have been glued to her hip waiting for a phone call.

[PuffDragon]

<Snipped for relevance>

Cindy stated at the bond hearing that Caylee's birth was paid for by Casey's ins,(Kodack kiosk ins.?) which did not ring true to me...full ob/gyn would be great coverage for a lowly picture taker. And we know that after that Casey never worked and Cindy paid for everything.


That just made me start thinking. I agree that there probably was no ob coverage but did Casey have any insurance coverage? Because she was working during that period, and for another year or so after the birth, and possibly had a certain level of medical coverage, enough to take Caylee to the pediatrician for her well-baby checkups and shots at least.
So here's where I'm going. When Casey was no longer working, but still keeping up the pretense that she was, she no longer would have had that insurance. How did she get around making doctor visits for herself or Caylee? I don't care that Cindy was probably paying for all Caylee's needs, had there been insurance she certainly would have wanted to use it. In which case how would she not know that it wasn't there any longer?

I wonder if there's any way to find out if Casey did have insurance through her work, and what it covered?

[CANDYKISSES]

To be honest, I wouldn't have looked in that bag either. No way, no how. He begged LE to take care of it. When they didn't find anything I believe he had a nagging suspicion that she was there....SOMEWHERE. He finally got the courage to go in and search himself....

I can myself in his shoes.

But, wouldn't you have presumed it wasn't of value after you called in and didn't receive a call back with questions?

For me, it would either be going back to check and opening or leaving it alone after the second call. I realize everyone is different, but I have quizzed everyone I chatted with over the holidays and overwhelmingly, they would have picked it open just to satisfy their curiosity. They would have been hoping to make the find too for several reasons when they picked that option. Just opining. :blushing:

I am embarassed for myself that I can't let go of the idea it simply doesn't fit after hearing what we do know. There is something missing. I am wondering if maybe there was somewhere this guy goes that he was getting a message somehow? Psst...I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either. :w00t:

I certainly don't think he is complicit in the crime tho.

[Dunlurken]

Don't feel bad Mallory. We are all doing that. The cast of charactors is so confusing.. Casey/Caylee.. Simular names. The Tonys/anthony is a confusing name in this case. Now we have a Dominic Casey. The Padilla the LE guy verses Lenny Padilla. Then there is Lee and Henry Lee.. It's enough to fry all our brains..

I thought about that last night too. Dominic Casey. Geez Louise! Did anyone just see the clip on MSNBC where LE gave a "stern" warning to George and Cindy to cooperate or else they will also be charged with obstruction? JMO.

[ellegna]

Actually, most of the time I think Caylee died as a result of an accident, and if she was truly found with her swimsuit, I may lean further that way, LE has never confirmed duct tape or the suit.

And there is no way I will ever believe they knew Caylee was rotting at the end of the road and just dealt with it, no way.

jmo

The swim suit (if in fact that was what was in the bag) doesn't convince me it was an accidental drowning. Caylee could have been wearing it the night of June 15th. She may have been swimming earlier that day. Casey and Cindy have that heated argument overheard by the neighbor and Casey storms out with Caylee in tow still wearing the suit.
The duct tape however bothers me.
Here's what I think may have happened next.
Casey is livid over the argument she had with her mother. Caylee was probably crying because the fight scared her and she wanted to go home. Casey is now losing her patience with Caylee who wont stop crying. Casey pulls over who knows where and tries to get Caylee to stop crying. Casey gets the duct tape and puts it over Caylee's mouth.
Caylee is now terrified and throws up. The duct tape retains the fluid in Caylee's mouth and she chokes to death. We can assume what happened next.

Now be gentle because it's just a theory.

[MalloryCat]

That just made me start thinking. I agree that there probably was no ob coverage but did Casey have any insurance coverage? Because she was working during that period, and for another year or so after the birth, and possibly had a certain level of medical coverage, enough to take Caylee to the pediatrician for her well-baby checkups and shots at least.
So here's where I'm going. When Casey was no longer working, but still keeping up the pretense that she was, she no longer would have had that insurance. How did she get around making doctor visits for herself or Caylee? I don't care that Cindy was probably paying for all Caylee's needs, had there been insurance she certainly would have wanted to use it. In which case how would she not know that it wasn't there any longer?

I wonder if there's any way to find out if Casey did have insurance through her work, and what it covered?

Wasn't there something early on that Casey said Caylee had never been sick, but had gotten her first cold or something recently, I almost want to say it was in her text messaging that was dropped.

[Dunlurken]

But, wouldn't you have presumed it wasn't of value after you called in and didn't receive a call back with questions?

For me, it would either be going back to check and opening or leaving it alone after the second call. I realize everyone is different, but I have quizzed everyone I chatted with over the holidays and overwhelmingly, they would have picked it open just to satisfy their curiosity. They would have been hoping to make the find too for several reasons when they picked that option. Just opining. :blushing:

I am embarassed for myself that I can't let go of the idea it simply doesn't fit after hearing what we do know. There is something missing. I am wondering if maybe there was somewhere this guy goes that he was getting a message somehow? Psst...I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either. :w00t:

I certainly don't think he is complicit in the crime tho.IIRC he was not working in that area for about three months. When he went back to that area, the bag was still there which is why he called the fourth time.

IMO, he is in no way implicated in this case.

[CANDYKISSES]

Does it matter? She cant prove an accident now. The prosecution can certainly put on a good show of circumstantial evidence of otherwise though.


I understand what you are saying and I guess I spazz out at the idea she WANTED TO KILL HER...my logic clock stops right there. Caylee was her meal ticket to CASH in the family IMO.

I know it's conflicting, that's why I was asking Mallory how she could be sure of one thing we don't know for sure and absolute on some negative things we do know IMO. :blink:

Now I confused myself too. :blushing:

[MalloryCat]

The swim suit (if in fact that was what was in the bag) doesn't convince me it was an accidental drowning. Caylee could have been wearing it the night of June 15th. She may have been swimming earlier that day. Casey and Cindy have that heated argument overheard by the neighbor and Casey storms out with Caylee in tow still wearing the suit.
The duct tape however bothers me.
Here's what I think may have happened next.
Casey is livid over the argument she had with her mother. Caylee was probably crying because the fight scared her and she wanted to go home. Casey is now losing her patience with Caylee who wont stop crying. Casey pulls over who knows where and tries to get Caylee to stop crying. Casey gets the duct tape and puts it over Caylee's mouth.
Caylee is now terrified and throws up. The duct tape retains the fluid in Caylee's mouth and she chokes to death. We can assume what happened next.

Now be gentle because it's just a theory.

But its never been confirmed she stormed out of the house and took Caylee on the 15th. And honestly, as pissed as Cindy was on the 15th, and she dared leave with Casey, I think Cindy would have called the cops, its not like she is above that.

[trt]

But, wouldn't you have presumed it wasn't of value after you called in and didn't receive a call back with questions?

For me, it would either be going back to check and opening or leaving it alone after the second call. I realize everyone is different, but I have quizzed everyone I chatted with over the holidays and overwhelmingly, they would have picked it open just to satisfy their curiosity. They would have been hoping to make the find too for several reasons when they picked that option. Just opining. :blushing:

I am embarassed for myself that I can't let go of the idea it simply doesn't fit after hearing what we do know. There is something missing. I am wondering if maybe there was somewhere this guy goes that he was getting a message somehow? Psst...I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either. :w00t:

I certainly don't think he is complicit in the crime tho.


I would be more inclined to believe that his persistence was due to *supernatural forces* (as someone brought up last week - his recently deceased wife for instance?) than a conspiracy theory that has him secretly involved with this case somehow.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

To the poster who asked the question about Caylee's health insurance. Casey wasn't working, so there was no health insurance. JMO.

[MalloryCat]

Don't feel bad Mallory. We are all doing that. The cast of charactors is so confusing.. Casey/Caylee.. Simular names. The Tonys/anthony is a confusing name in this case. Now we have a Dominic Casey. The Padilla the LE guy verses Lenny Padilla. Then there is Lee and Henry Lee.. It's enough to fry all our brains..

Yeah, no kidding!!!
:rose:

[AJandTam]

I thought about that last night too. Dominic Casey. Geez Louise! Did anyone just see the clip on MSNBC where LE gave a "stern" warning to George and Cindy to cooperate or else they will also be charged with obstruction? JMO.

Weird coincidences in many of the names huh? Drives the brain insane. Especially in a case where there is so much information coming in as it is..

Yes, I did see that. I just wonder, what do they know that is so important to this investigation. They are on tape saying so much already. What is it exactly that they know that the prosecution wants. Is it something we already know about, or something we don't. All of these little tidbits are enough to drive addicts like us insane. I hope you understand what I am trying to say over here. Brain doesn't really want to work today.. Says it is a holiday season. Leave me alone.

[trt]

I understand what you are saying and I guess I spazz out at the idea she WANTED TO KILL HER...my logic clock stops right there. Caylee was her meal ticket to CASH in the family IMO.

I know it's conflicting, that's why I was asking Mallory how she could be sure of one thing we don't know for sure and absolute on some negative things we do know IMO. :blink:

Now I confused myself too. :blushing:

But: If what Cindy is saying is true (BIG IF) then she was seeking out ways to cease enabling Casey and was trying to get Caylee from her(or at least had talked it over with others). So Casey could have seen the rug being pulled from underneath her and switched into *spiteful B* mode. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Yeah exactly, he couldn't live with the idea of not knowing. The police forced him to go look in that bag because they didn't heed his calls! Makes total sense to me. It really does, sorry I am not getting your conspiracy theory on this!I'm usually the first one to jump on the conspiracy band wagon. Not in this case though, unless you consider a conspiracy by the Anthony's. JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

Actually, most of the time I think Caylee died as a result of an accident, and if she was truly found with her swimsuit, I may lean further that way, LE has never confirmed duct tape or the suit.

And there is no way I will ever believe they knew Caylee was rotting at the end of the road and just dealt with it, no way.

jmo

I admire your tenacity concerning Cindy, but some of her actions and show stopping performances have been really over the line IMO.

Between the beginning when Cindy and Casey were talking the CAMEO APPEARANCE and BOTH of their vocal tones and the time when they acknowledged they were alike and the giddy nature of that one, I believe they are both connivers from way back.

I DO BELIEVE CINDY loved and adored CAYLEE, but maybe saw her as a chance to have a DO-OVER after making a mess with CASEY. JMO tho.

Now, as for your last sentence, I think about six weeks ago Cindy and George started waning away, both looking very unhealthy and almost ROTTING AWAY themselves. IMO that's when they couldn't take it anymore, yet they continued to allow the exploitation of other children. IF I am proven wrong, I will eat CROW any way you can serve it. JMO.

I still hang on to the idea of an accident in the mind of a spoiled unstable wreck of a mother who is ultimately responsible for the death of her child as it was more than likely the result of something illegal in the mix and her total lack of remorse or responsibility. AGAIN, JMO.:crying:

[ishkabibble]

That just made me start thinking. I agree that there probably was no ob coverage but did Casey have any insurance coverage? Because she was working during that period, and for another year or so after the birth, and possibly had a certain level of medical coverage, enough to take Caylee to the pediatrician for her well-baby checkups and shots at least.
So here's where I'm going. When Casey was no longer working, but still keeping up the pretense that she was, she no longer would have had that insurance. How did she get around making doctor visits for herself or Caylee? I don't care that Cindy was probably paying for all Caylee's needs, had there been insurance she certainly would have wanted to use it. In which case how would she not know that it wasn't there any longer?

I wonder if there's any way to find out if Casey did have insurance through her work, and what it covered?

I know where I work your children are covered to age 23 under the parents helath insurance. Possibly Cindy's insurance is the same. The only out of pocket would be for the baby's (Caylee) direct expenses, pediatrician etc, but Casey would have been covered OB/GYN etc.

[Dunlurken]

Weird coincidences in many of the names huh? Drives the brain insane. Especially in a case where there is so much information coming in as it is..

Yes, I did see that. I just wonder, what do they know that is so important to this investigation. They are on tape saying so much already. What is it exactly that they know that the prosecution wants. Is it something we already know about, or something we don't. All of these little tidbits are enough to drive addicts like us insane. I hope you understand what I am trying to say over here. Brain doesn't really want to work today.. Says it is a holiday season. Leave me alone.

My theory is that LE is on to the whole family. You give the wrong hair brush, and laugh about giving the dog's tooth brush. WTH? I think that's what prosecution is talking about. Major cover-up here by the Anthony's .... all of them. JMO.

[nc1948]

but why did the pick kronk? And wouldn't kronk be charged with obstruction if he didn't tell the le baez told him where to find caylee?

and i agree, i dont care how she gets convicted either, i just care it happens.

ita..........

[jammies]

But, wouldn't you have presumed it wasn't of value after you called in and didn't receive a call back with questions?

For me, it would either be going back to check and opening or leaving it alone after the second call. I realize everyone is different, but I have quizzed everyone I chatted with over the holidays and overwhelmingly, they would have picked it open just to satisfy their curiosity. They would have been hoping to make the find too for several reasons when they picked that option. Just opining. :blushing:

I am embarassed for myself that I can't let go of the idea it simply doesn't fit after hearing what we do know. There is something missing. I am wondering if maybe there was somewhere this guy goes that he was getting a message somehow? Psst...I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either. :w00t:

I certainly don't think he is complicit in the crime tho.

I think I would have presumed that LE hadn't really looked. Since they were getting a bazillion tips and the person answering the phone sent him somewhere else, I might have figured they blew me off or thought I was another nutball.

Maybe he is like you and the rest of us that "can't let go of the idea".
I see us all as a little bit like Kronk. It kept bothering him. Think of all the things that bother US about this case. How many times has someone posted "dig up that bush in the A's back yard!" or "have they SEARCHED Lee's house and yard", etc. etc. Nagging little somethings we can't let go of.

Heck, I don't know. I just think this guy had a bit of time on his hands, his wife recently died, he was curious, and finally after months and months he ACTED on his suspicions. I think he HAD to get in there just to make sure.

[AJandTam]

But its never been confirmed she stormed out of the house and took Caylee on the 15th. And honestly, as pissed as Cindy was on the 15th, and she dared leave with Casey, I think Cindy would have called the cops, its not like she is above that.

No Cindy is not above it, and i've wondered about that as well. I guess if Cindy choked Casey, she might have been afraid to call the police that night. Cindy might have been the one arrested.

[nc1948]

Reminds me of the "photo" Baez claims to have of Zenaida in JB Park that never materialized. this may go the same way.

We are still waiting on the photo, just add the video to the list.

[marshmallow]

IIRC he was not working in that area for about three months. When he went back to that area, the bag was still there which is why he called the fourth time.

IMO, he is in no way implicated in this case.



I agree. I don't think anyone but Casey was involved in Caylee's demise and I think perhaps Lee was the one mostly involved in any physical cover-up like the computer erasures. I think Cindy and George did their best to muddy the waters so to speak but that other than Cindy deliberately handing over the wrong brush, their involvement was mostly mistruths and dead end info to LE.
I think Casey's not bright enough to mastermind a conspiracy that involved too many people and that the MR is just that, a meter reader who noticed something amiss, rep[orted it, then rereported it. After being reassigned he still saw it there and went to look for himself.

I think Beaz knew more than he let on and also mistruthed the public with the sightings and "picture" story. I think he knew where the body "might" have been but didn't delve in too deeply lest he lose his cash cow.
I also think the kidfinders took advantage of the Anthonys but if they did nothing illegal then there's nothing that can be done.

[KKKKKKatie]

No Cindy is not above it, and i've wondered about that as well. I guess if Cindy choked Casey, she might have been afraid to call the police that night. Cindy might have been the one arrested.

I wonder if LE ever asked TonE if she had red marks on her throat? I didn't see it in the docs

[CANDYKISSES]

To ADD , if you don't KNOW whats inside the BAG , why is it so importany to keep alerting LE about the bag . If you don't know whats in it ,wouldn't you feel stupid to keep calling about it ,when you'd already done so 3 times! How did he KNOW LE did NOT CHECK the bag he reported ? Even if he saw it still there , unless he knew what was in that bag ,there would be no reason to keep reporting it , he had to have known they never looked inside the BAG ( if the bag was there each time) Nagging LE about that same bag at 9:34 at night , not in his utility truck ,but in his own car at night ...yes it seems illogical .

If anything I feel he knew that had LE EVER looked they would have saw just what he did and that was bones and that would be breaking news ! since he did not hear this breaking news , he kept reporting!

ITA there 2thewall. Given some of the things we've heard come out of his mouth, I could even see him telling a friend to call it in and offering to split the reward. There is something amiss about this guy and I can't dismiss it from my mind.:crying:

I don't like myself very much right now, as I question his intentions and what might have been motivating him. I'd rather find out he gave the tip to a neighbor because he knew as a county employee he couldn't collect on the tip. EVEN THO, if this was handled properly, it would have stopped the CIRCUS long ago.

JMO again. :blush:

[Dunlurken]

And knowing that there was a missing 2 year old who wouldn't look in the bag. This is just all too weird, if only she was found in August we would have more answers. If only she wasn't killed in the first place.

Here's my take on Kronk. He knew a child was missing, heck all of us knew Caylee was missing. He called LE three times in August, they told him to call the tip line. Finally, he gave up.

He goes back to that area because he was transferred back to that area by his company. The bag is still there after 3 months under water. He called LE AGAIN, and finally someone came.

[kitty1182]

I think I would have presumed that LE hadn't really looked. Since they were getting a bazillion tips and the person answering the phone sent him somewhere else, I might have figured they blew me off or thought I was another nutball.

Maybe he is like you and the rest of us that "can't let go of the idea".
I see us all as a little bit like Kronk. It kept bothering him. Think of all the things that bother US about this case. How many times has someone posted "dig up that bush in the A's back yard!" or "have they SEARCHED Lee's house and yard", etc. etc. Nagging little somethings we can't let go of.

Heck, I don't know. I just think this guy had a bit of time on his hands, his wife recently died, he was curious, and finally after months and months he ACTED on his suspicions. I think he HAD to get in there just to make sure.


I agree...I would have kept going back too..I would not have given up..The only thing I would have done different, I would have looked in the bag the first time....Course, I'm nosey..lol

[dohinmom]

Hi there,

I totally agree with you puffdragon about the insurance. Once she stopped working she would lose the health insurance but I am sure too that even though Caylee was "never" sick there would still be regular doctors visits for vaccinations and such. Unless she stole money from cindy to cover these costs so cindy wouldn't have caught on that she was out of a job. IMO:unsure:

dolphinmom

[jammies]

Yeah exactly, he couldn't live with the idea of not knowing. The police forced him to go look in that bag because they didn't heed his calls! Makes total sense to me. It really does, sorry I am not getting your conspiracy theory on this!


Bingo, brat. I think about when I lose something. I can't stop looking. 30 years ago my mother lost a quilt she was working on. Up until this Xmas we still were coming up with places it COULD be even though my mom has searched high and low for all those years. Drove us all NUTZ! (bought her one exactly like it on Ebay for Xmas in hopes we can finally LET IT GO!)

[trt]

My understanding is that insurance only covers adult children as long as they are in high school or college, and only until they quit or graduate.

For many policies, as long as the insurance holder is claiming the person as a dependent (and for adult children, there is a cut off - my mom's cut off with me at age 22) and it fits as far as IRS guidelines for dependents, that child can be covered. When I first had my daughter, she was also covered under my mom's insurance as she was a dependent of my parents as well. JMO

[Dunlurken]

Oh.............so its LE fault ,they didn't follow up on the tips ....yes they should have .......after all they did go out there , what 2 times , why did LE not look in the bags when they went out .why didn't they look ....?

Not LE's fault at all, IMO. They were getting thousands of bogus calls. Someone sees a trash bag and calls LE. They shrug him off and say, call the tip line. Not uncommon if you ask me. JMO.

[bookie]

Add this.

Of all the people I know from NOSEY NED's to the DO GOODERS who would report something like that would either report it and be done, or the second time open the bag themselves with a branch or something in the trunk of their car.

Why all the visits and calls without ever looking INSIDE THE BAG???:unsure:




Hi Candy......maybe he's a crime junkie and knew if he opened the bag he could contaminate any evidence in/on the bag? As for the PI having video maybe the defense or the Anthony's heard about the MR's tips and checked the area themselves?

[nc1948]

Yeah, Kronk is the meter reader. Sorry, I got confused!!

I do not understand how you could get confused?:shrug: It as clear as mud to me. and they keep adding players, lawyers, experts, I don't even count the TH. The only things I am sure on in this case is that Caylee is deceased and that Casey did it. Some of the rest will get answered at trial, but I do believe that there will be a whole truck load of unanswered questions when this is over. But, I will be satisfied if she gets convicted and gets LWOP.

[CANDYKISSES]

And knowing that there was a missing 2 year old who wouldn't look in the bag. This is just all too weird, if only she was found in August we would have more answers. If only she wasn't killed in the first place.

Uh huh...and weren't his words this last time...THE CAYLEE ANTHONY AREA? Just trying to remember. Did he or did he not ever call the tip line LE suggested he call? Again, I would want to see all that paperwork. JMO.

In seeking justice for this child, the truth needs to come out in totality and given her mother and her inability to speak the truth, it makes it that much more difficult for all those investigating IMOO.:cursing:

[Dunlurken]

Hi there,

I totally agree with you puffdragon about the insurance. Once she stopped working she would lose the health insurance but I am sure too that even though Caylee was "never" sick there would still be regular doctors visits for vaccinations and such. Unless she stole money from cindy to cover these costs so cindy wouldn't have caught on that she was out of a job. IMO:unsure:

dolphinmom

You don't have to steal money to have your child go to a doctor. You have to pay with a credit card. No big deal. I'm sure Cindy forked over the credit card to be sure Caylee had all her shots, etc. And let us not forget, I think Caylee had been to a dentist. JMO.

[PuffDragon]

Wasn't there something early on that Casey said Caylee had never been sick, but had gotten her first cold or something recently, I almost want to say it was in her text messaging that was dropped.

It's been a long time since my kids were toddlers so I don't remember when they finally finished with all their shots, maybe it was before they were a year or so old (???), but no more well-baby appointments after that either? I'm sure I still had to get mine to the pediatrician's every once in a while to keep track of their development. I can't believe that Cindy wouldn't have made sure it was done for Caylee, whether she made Casey do it or did it herself.

[Neffy]

But its never been confirmed she stormed out of the house and took Caylee on the 15th. And honestly, as pissed as Cindy was on the 15th, and she dared leave with Casey, I think Cindy would have called the cops, its not like she is above that.

Cindy didn't call the cops immediately after she tracked Casey down and yanked her home. IIRC correctly it wasn't until around an hour later after she and Lee were frustrated not getting anything out of Casey.

I can see her not calling after a fight and Casey storming out with Caylee.

We were talking earlier that perhaps the "is this like the other time" question asked by Lee to Casey in the jail house visit meant Casey has pulled rank before and when push comes to shove Casey yanks Caylee away from Cindy as her weapon of choice against Cindy.

[ishkabibble]

I think I would have presumed that LE hadn't really looked. Since they were getting a bazillion tips and the person answering the phone sent him somewhere else, I might have figured they blew me off or thought I was another nutball.

Maybe he is like you and the rest of us that "can't let go of the idea".
I see us all as a little bit like Kronk. It kept bothering him. Think of all the things that bother US about this case. How many times has someone posted "dig up that bush in the A's back yard!" or "have they SEARCHED Lee's house and yard", etc. etc. Nagging little somethings we can't let go of.

Heck, I don't know. I just think this guy had a bit of time on his hands, his wife recently died, he was curious, and finally after months and months he ACTED on his suspicions. I think he HAD to get in there just to make sure.

i agree totally, look at it this way most of us are no where near to the Anthony home, this guy READS their meter. I mean this is big time in that neighborhood and very few people I think would be indifferent to the situation if they were that close. I know if I was even within a short distance of the house I be looking at strange bags and such on the side of the road. Maybe he was as caught up in this as we all are, his wife has died, he may be alone at night tuned to Nancy Grace just as a lot of us are. He's out on the road he see's stuff, he calls it in. I think I might too. When he is reassigned to the area again and her body still hasn't been found he continues to look around. I give him credit for poking the bag, I don't know if I'd have the nerve. I think if I did and a skull rolled out I'd still be running!

[MalloryCat]

No Cindy is not above it, and i've wondered about that as well. I guess if Cindy choked Casey, she might have been afraid to call the police that night. Cindy might have been the one arrested.

Maybe, but Casey at that point was a liar and a thief and Cindy could prove it, Casey would have to prove she was choked, its not like she was shying away from plunging necklines at Fusian days after, the cops would have believed Cindy, not Casey, imo.

[Dunlurken]

Hi Candy......maybe he's a crime junkie and knew if he opened the bag he could contaminate any evidence in/on the bag? As for the PI having video maybe the defense or the Anthony's heard about the MR's tips and checked the area themselves?

The PI's video is useless. The growth in that area will make it very hard to assure anyone that he videoed the same spot. JMO.

More smoke and mirrors by defense.

[AJandTam]

My theory is that LE is on to the whole family. You give the wrong hair brush, and laugh about giving the dog's tooth brush. WTH? I think that's what prosecution is talking about. Major cover-up here by the Anthony's .... all of them. JMO.

I thought this as well. Some have argued heavily w/me, but this is how it appeared to me. I felt from the time the LE ran back to the A house after they made the discovery. That someone besides Casey was in deep trouble. I felt like they were looking for recent traces of evidence from the remains site back to the A house by the things they took. Why pesticides and things of that nature, so quickly?? The ME had not really had time to do test and determine that any pesticide type stuff had been used, and after the body had been under water for so long. How much pesticide evidence could be left?? Then the A Team starts to freak out immediately.. Fingerprints were requested from them.... it all points to recent evidence at the remains site that lead back to the A home IMHO. Fingerprints can be taken to rule in or rule out someone, they weren't requested prior to finding the body, they were not requested that day, but a few days later. After the ME had a chance to test for fingerprints at the remains site. IF it was only Casey's prints on things, why the need for other prints to rule anyone out. The tape belonged to Amy, but it doesn't appear anyone ask her for her prints? How come if they were ruling out everyone WHO could have touched the bag or the duct tape ect??

[dohinmom]

You don't have to steal money to have your child go to a doctor. You have to pay with a credit card. No big deal. I'm sure Cindy forked over the credit card to be sure Caylee had all her shots, etc. And let us not forget, I think Caylee had been to a dentist. JMO.

sorry. I guess I didn't explain myself very well. I meant that maybe casey stole money to pay for the doctors visit so that her mother wouldn't find out she no longer had health insurance because she had lost her job. only imo

dolphinmom

[CANDYKISSES]

I think I would have presumed that LE hadn't really looked. Since they were getting a bazillion tips and the person answering the phone sent him somewhere else, I might have figured they blew me off or thought I was another nutball.

Maybe he is like you and the rest of us that "can't let go of the idea".
I see us all as a little bit like Kronk. It kept bothering him. Think of all the things that bother US about this case. How many times has someone posted "dig up that bush in the A's back yard!" or "have they SEARCHED Lee's house and yard", etc. etc. Nagging little somethings we can't let go of.

Heck, I don't know. I just think this guy had a bit of time on his hands, his wife recently died, he was curious, and finally after months and months he ACTED on his suspicions. I think he HAD to get in there just to make sure.

IF I felt it would compromise my job (as he allegedly may have been worried about) I believe I would have had to tell my closest friend or family member and get them moving on it. Just my thoughts on the issue tho jammies.

IF it was really driving me, I would have gotten to the bottom and I don't care how many times my duty station might have changed, I'd still be going back if I was determined to have it checked out.

At those times, wasn't the reward fund high? Trying to jog my memory to think about if it was only offered to a live Caylee finding. :unsure:

[MalloryCat]

It's been a long time since my kids were toddlers so I don't remember when they finally finished with all their shots, maybe it was before they were a year or so old (???), but no more well-baby appointments after that either? I'm sure I still had to get mine to the pediatrician's every once in a while to keep track of their development. I can't believe that Cindy wouldn't have made sure it was done for Caylee, whether she made Casey do it or did it herself.

Well, Casey was fired from Unversal in April 2006, so Caylee was 8 months, I am sure she had health insurance and Caylee saw the Doc, hopefully.

jmo

[trt]

Maybe, but Casey at that point was a liar and a thief and Cindy could prove it, Casey would have to prove she was choked, its not like she was shying away from plunging necklines at Fusian days after, the cops would have believed Cindy, not Casey, imo.

Which tells me that Cindy was not interested in getting Casey into trouble with the law when she first called LE, she was only interested in manipulating her. You are right, if she really wanted her locked up, she could have called that night or immediately after finding out that Casey had stolen from her own grandmother(or any of the other times Casey was caught stealing yet Cindy never called the cops).

JMO

[PuffDragon]

I understand what you are saying and I guess I spazz out at the idea she WANTED TO KILL HER...my logic clock stops right there. Caylee was her meal ticket to CASH in the family IMO.

<snipped>


*Bolding mine

I think so too, which is why I believe that George and Cindy were slated to go first. Something happened, either accidentally or in a fit of anger, that changed the schedule.
JMO.

[destiny1]

But, wouldn't you have presumed it wasn't of value after you called in and didn't receive a call back with questions?

For me, it would either be going back to check and opening or leaving it alone after the second call. I realize everyone is different, but I have quizzed everyone I chatted with over the holidays and overwhelmingly, they would have picked it open just to satisfy their curiosity. They would have been hoping to make the find too for several reasons when they picked that option. Just opining. :blushing:

I am embarassed for myself that I can't let go of the idea it simply doesn't fit after hearing what we do know. There is something missing. I am wondering if maybe there was somewhere this guy goes that he was getting a message somehow? Psst...I am not a conspiracy theorist by nature either. :w00t:

I certainly don't think he is complicit in the crime tho.

considering that a child was "missing" I would have followed up on my call, and if nothing was done, I would have probably taken some instrument and checked the bag, and taken some pictures. at any rate, if I were convinced enough to call three times I would PERSONALLY have tried to get something either positive or negative for my own satisfaction that I had done my part.

[Dunlurken]

The tape belonged to Amy, but it doesn't appear anyone ask her for her prints? How come if they were ruling out everyone WHO could have touched the bag or the duct tape ect??

snipping to address: The tape belongs to Amy? Nah, I don't think so. Where did you hear that?

[AJandTam]

I wonder if LE ever asked TonE if she had red marks on her throat? I didn't see it in the docs

Yes, I would like to know the answer to this as well. I'd also like to know why Cindy didn't choke her over her granddaughter. Now that I could definately see. Ofcourse, we don't know if this is even a true story. We really don't know what happened, the night of the 15th.

[no1what]

I am thinking that Baez and his smart dumb arse self is gonna get in big trouble. I think that is what LKB is about. I think it's He77 with Casey get Baez outta trouble this PI business is gonna sink his ship with all the gold aboard if he is'nt careful.

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I was watching a collage of video's of this case last night on NG and noticed that every single video shot of Baez he has a smirky smile on his face. Never a concerned or nervous look just a grin. I always get the impression when he's talking that he wants to lol his grin is so......

[Dunlurken]

considering that a child was "missing" I would have followed up on my call, and if nothing was done, I would have probably taken some instrument and checked the bag, and taken some pictures. at any rate, if I were convinced enough to call three times I would PERSONALLY have tried to get something either positive or negative for my own satisfaction that I had done my part.

He did, three times. LE told him to take a hike.

[destiny1]

*Bolding mine

I think so too, which is why I believe that George and Cindy were slated to go first. Something happened, either accidentally or in a fit of anger, that changed the schedule.
JMO.

I think casey's plan was to possibly chloroform one or both of them in the shower or around the pool and stage a fall with a possible broken neck. somebody would also possibly be goaded into a fight and another self-defense tactic. I don't see that working on g?eorge just because of the strength issues but I could see her chloroforming him by putting enough of it on a toel of his in a shower or around the pool. It would have to bde quick whatever the case.

I still cant figure out how "if they were moving out of state" she could get rid of bodies though. she would definitely need help.

[MalloryCat]

Which tells me that Cindy was not interested in getting Casey into trouble with the law when she first called LE, she was only interested in manipulating her. You are right, if she really wanted her locked up, she could have called that night or immediately after finding out that Casey had stolen from her own grandmother(or any of the other times Casey was caught stealing yet Cindy never called the cops).

JMO


Well thats one way of looking at it.

[breezie]

I agree...I would have kept going back too..I would not have given up..The only thing I would have done different, I would have looked in the bag the first time....Course, I'm nosey..lol

are we sure it's the same bag? I think he just had feeling based on where the house was. Once he was back in the area, he looked for the one he reported and found Caylee. And this time, he looked before he called.

[5boxersmom]

Is there any Scientist's on the board? I was watching Forensic Files last night and they caught a murderer using diatoms. So I was wondering if diatoms would be on the remains or the bag and that could tell them how long the bag had been there.

I found this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom

The surface mud of a pond, ditch, or lagoon will almost always yield some diatoms

[Regina.Lampert]

But: If what Cindy is saying is true (BIG IF) then she was seeking out ways to cease enabling Casey and was trying to get Caylee from her(or at least had talked it over with others). So Casey could have seen the rug being pulled from underneath her and switched into *spiteful B* mode. JMO


Hiya T!! I agree, the writing was on the wall for miss anthony, take care of your own child and stop the nonsense or else, cindy's house, cindy's rules. Plus, george was beginning a new job, so reliance on him was going to end.

Yep, the "easy" life for this defendant was coming to a rapid close, she had to do something..........and she did.

[PROPROS]

Good morning everyone!!

The tape. First which PI took the video, I have heard conflicting reports. Was it Dominic Casey or Jim Hoover? Either way if it is a video of the EXACT SPOT where the remains were eventually found, that PI has some major explaining to do, imo.

However, if it's just of the general area that isn't as incriminating, but still LE should get an answer why he was there filming.

I agree, those two examples of casey anthony's statements were clues about where to look, imo.Morning all...Knowing what we do now, it sure sounds like she is handing out "huge hints" on where to find Caylee. What the heck would he have done if he had actually found her. I have never believed that LA bought the Zanny story.mo

[Neffy]

You don't have to steal money to have your child go to a doctor. You have to pay with a credit card. No big deal. I'm sure Cindy forked over the credit card to be sure Caylee had all her shots, etc. And let us not forget, I think Caylee had been to a dentist. JMO.

She would have been covered and gotten free medical care for Caylee from the state. Casey however WOULD have had to say she DIDN"T know who the baby's father was. Had they provided a name they would have gone after the father first before providing for medical benefits. She would have recieved WIC also.

WIC

WIC provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five.

Heck I worked with a few women that recieved this.

[AJandTam]

snipping to address: The tape belongs to Amy? Nah, I don't think so. Where did you hear that?

Dunnie, This came out a few days after Caylee's body was found. Whew, so much has come out. I'll see what I can do to find you a source of that info.. if no one else has it.. We got some quick link folks around here, and they are probably much faster than me.

[kitty1182]

are we sure it's the same bag? I think he just had feeling based on where the house was. Once he was back in the area, he looked for the one he reported and found Caylee. And this time, he looked before he called.



Not sure, but I would have looked in every bag that I found...lol

[MalloryCat]

sorry. I guess I didn't explain myself very well. I meant that maybe casey stole money to pay for the doctors visit so that her mother wouldn't find out she no longer had health insurance because she had lost her job. only imo

dolphinmom

I thought that too.

[MalloryCat]

Not sure, but I would have looked in every bag that I found...lol

And tore up every bush!!

[PuffDragon]

But its never been confirmed she stormed out of the house and took Caylee on the 15th. And honestly, as pissed as Cindy was on the 15th, and she dared leave with Casey, I think Cindy would have called the cops, its not like she is above that.
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I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.

[kitty1182]

And tore up every bush!!



Yes Mam!!!! :thumbsup:

[daHawg]

He did, three times. LE told him to take a hike.

LE did not tell him to take a hike. They responded to the first and second calls when they couldn't locate anything on the second call the dispatch called him back and asked him when he could come back to the area to give them a call back and they would send out an officer so he could show them what he was talking about. That was the 3rd call and 2 officers responded were there with him for 25 mins and the scene was cleared with "trash only" . Now if he was with them and showed them where it was and talked to them he must have been somewhat satisfied at the time since he didn't go back until months later. Why is that? Why not drive back before if he wasn't satisfied? He went there in his own car he could have done that again.

[ishkabibble]

considering that a child was "missing" I would have followed up on my call, and if nothing was done, I would have probably taken some instrument and checked the bag, and taken some pictures. at any rate, if I were convinced enough to call three times I would PERSONALLY have tried to get something either positive or negative for my own satisfaction that I had done my part.

I think the third call did satisfy him somewhat, the cop came out and looked around. We don't know how extensively or even what exactly Kronk showed him. When he was re assigned in December, the water level had receded quite a bit. Don't forget the neighborhood teenager that was interviewed said there is always water there, sometimes it's deeper than others. there may have been other bags there containing actual garbage and those were what he saw originally. Caylee's remains were there unfortunately just out of sight.

[dvsone]

No Cindy is not above it, and i've wondered about that as well. I guess if Cindy choked Casey, she might have been afraid to call the police that night. Cindy might have been the one arrested.

Umm if Cindy called the cops on Casey for taking HER own child out of the home... no matter the time, Cindy would have been told there is nothing she can do. (barring provable abuse/neglect at the moment) Casey is an adult, and she can make those choices for her daughter. And like you said, she risked getting arrested, if the choking incident is true.... come to think of it, it was probably Caseys ace in the hole... I can almost hear the taunt... go ahead mom, call. I dare you. (if casey had even a red spot on her)

[Dunlurken]

Is there any Scientist's on the board? I was watching Forensic Files last night and they caught a murderer using diatoms. So I was wondering if diatoms would be on the remains or the bag and that could tell them how long the bag had been there.

I found this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Diatom

The surface mud of a pond, ditch, or lagoon will almost always yield some diatoms

I'm sure the forensics will come into play heavily in this case. What was left in the bag, insects, etc., will be mind boggling for us lay people.

I found Dr. Perper's comments very interesting last night. something about...... heck, I can't even remember the word. But it had something to do with chloroform and DNA. Antinuclearbiological.... Geez! We will learn a lot on this one. JMO.

[trt]

Hiya T!! I agree, the writing was on the wall for miss anthony, take care of your own child and stop the nonsense or else, cindy's house, cindy's rules. Plus, george was beginning a new job, so reliance on him was going to end.

Yep, the "easy" life for this defendant was coming to a rapid close, she had to do something..........and she did.

Happy Holidays Reggie!!

You are right, The "OC" was definitely in for some life-altering changes. I think that Cindy and George were probably getting fed up with watching Caylee everytime the "OC" wanted to go out and she had to be more creative in finding ways to be *rid* of Caylee since even her friends WITHOUT children expressed discomfort with Caylee being at the parties.

JMO

[Neffy]

*Bolding mine

I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.

I thought the neighbor mentioned the fight? Even if it wasn't confirmed to be that day the fact that Casey took none of Caylee's things and Cindy's myspace MY CAYLEE IS MISSING indicates to me this wasn't a peaceful see you around Ma exit.

[Dunlurken]

You MISSED THE POINT . We're not talking about LE NOT going out there , they DID, so the point is since they made those trips why did they not LOOK , they were already THERE at the scene ...so your comment that they got all these bogus tips does not make sense, they WENT out ,they did follow up , they missed it ...........HOW ?

Guess we need to check out the time line. I won't debate Kronk. He is not involved.

But I'll tell you one thing. If I find a skull, I certainly won't call 911. I don't want my past or present dragged through the mud. JMO.