Caylee Anthony..Tuesday 12/30..Part 1

[dvsone]

*Bolding mine

I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.

Have you ever called the police on your own child? Its not easy, and the decision when you do so is a no turning back now flip. Im dreading the day. I will do it because its whats been advised, but I can tell you when that moment comes.... I fear it will be all over for us.

Im no Cindy defender, Im just telling you, once you do you cant uncall them.

[PuffDragon]

I would be more inclined to believe that his persistence was due to *supernatural forces* (as someone brought up last week - his recently deceased wife for instance?) than a conspiracy theory that has him secretly involved with this case somehow.

JMO

I'm thinking that maybe there was just a hint of odor in the air, maybe not enough for him to even consciously notice but enough to get him alerted. Which doesn't discount your theory. Something might have put him in the position of being there to receive it.

[summer4meplz]

good morning all.....I always thought it was odd lee went to the hearing on the day they found Caylee's body.......

[Dunlurken]

A Myspace message or text message said something from Amy to Casey about her losing Amy's tape. But you know in regard to teh fingerprint they may have gotten them, they did Amy a lie detector test didn't they? They had her swearing under oath. Seems they had her prints in the system already or probably would have gotten them.

Okay, I remember now. Swearing under oath doesn't mean much IMO.

Perper said last night that the fingerprints are probably gone from the duct tape because Caylee's remains were under water for so long. JMO.

[Postergeist]

I've been thinking lately about how Casey got the info on Zenaida, I wonder if she saw her car at Sawgrass when she was apartment hunting and had her friend Rusicano run the plate for info. It would be interesting to know what kind of vehicle she does have and also if there is a way to track the information Rusicano looked up when he was employed. I don't know if they can check any motor vehicle lookups, but I know here each employee who looks up info for a persons criminal history has to enter their PIN and that info is stored. There has to be justification to look it up or they can be disciplined.

LP has said that Zenaida does have a silver Kia- and thought that Casey mistook it for a Ford Focus (he mentioned they are similar body styles)- she told LE that her ZFG drove a silver Ford Focus.

I agree that she may have asked any one of her LE "friends" if they could run a plate for her...

imo

[AJandTam]

*Bolding mine

I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.

I keep wondering about the book. A few days ago, it was confirmed that the book from the nursing home was the book found at the remains site. W/the book was some pictures. I thought when I saw the pictures that Cindy must have shoved the pictures into Caylee's book for the ride home. Which means that Caylee probably wasn't still playing w/the book. So how did Casey get the book and Caylee out of the house in such a heated rush... ???

[Dunlurken]

good morning all.....I always thought it was odd lee went to the hearing on the day they found Caylee's body.......

He's trying to run like the wind. Implicated? Yes. JMO. To what extent, I don't know.

[PROPROS]

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I see exactly what you mean....it is for sure a way of telling Lee where the body is....and I hope that tape will be used by the prosecution at triel.....It's probably due to these type of conversations why the Anthony's do not visit their daughter since the murder charge....They are all in covering up for Casey.....It's a shame...but it wont work....The odor in the car will expose Casey beyond repair....What is it with this family and their over the top loyalty to Casey..I just don't see her as that special. Is there something that they "all" feel guilty about. We have seen The Peterson's and The Entwistle's defend their children....However, this family just might go to jail, before they would "snitch" that brat out!mo

[Cury-us Coyote]

I thought this as well. Some have argued heavily w/me, but this is how it appeared to me. I felt from the time the LE ran back to the A house after they made the discovery. That someone besides Casey was in deep trouble. I felt like they were looking for recent traces of evidence from the remains site back to the A house by the things they took. Why pesticides and things of that nature, so quickly?? The ME had not really had time to do test and determine that any pesticide type stuff had been used, and after the body had been under water for so long. How much pesticide evidence could be left?? Then the A Team starts to freak out immediately.. Fingerprints were requested from them.... it all points to recent evidence at the remains site that lead back to the A home IMHO. Fingerprints can be taken to rule in or rule out someone, they weren't requested prior to finding the body, they were not requested that day, but a few days later. After the ME had a chance to test for fingerprints at the remains site. IF it was only Casey's prints on things, why the need for other prints to rule anyone out. The tape belonged to Amy, but it doesn't appear anyone ask her for her prints? How come if they were ruling out everyone WHO could have touched the bag or the duct tape ect??

IIRC, one of GA's former jobs was in pest control.
jmo

[MalloryCat]

Umm if Cindy called the cops on Casey for taking HER own child out of the home... no matter the time, Cindy would have been told there is nothing she can do. (barring provable abuse/neglect at the moment) Casey is an adult, and she can make those choices for her daughter. And like you said, she risked getting arrested, if the choking incident is true.... come to think of it, it was probably Caseys ace in the hole... I can almost hear the taunt... go ahead mom, call. I dare you. (if casey had even a red spot on her)

Right, but she could have called the cops on Casey for ripping off her grandparents, but then again, I think one of the grandparents would have to call and press charges not Cindy, unless she had power of attorney, which she may. Nonetheless, if Casey stormed out like an animal and took the child, she could have called concerned her daughter was upset and she felt the child was in danger.

jmo

[Regina.Lampert]

I agree...I would have kept going back too..I would not have given up..The only thing I would have done different, I would have looked in the bag the first time....Course, I'm nosey..lol

Your entire family and good friends, just like mine, are relieved that you are tucked safely away in NC and not anywhere near this fiasco in Florida. God only knows what mischief we would have gotten into. I know at least one Hibiscus bush that would have had good reason to be concerned........... :tonguewag:

[PuffDragon]

To the poster who asked the question about Caylee's health insurance. Casey wasn't working, so there was no health insurance. JMO.

No, Dun, I know she wasn't working then, but she was working for a year or so right after Caylee was born, that's the time period I'm talking about when she might have had a certain level of insurance. If she did, then why wouldn't Cindy have noticed when it wasn't there any more? Wouldn't she wonder why? After all, Casey was supposed to have such a great job she would expect insurance to come with it.

[AJandTam]

Umm if Cindy called the cops on Casey for taking HER own child out of the home... no matter the time, Cindy would have been told there is nothing she can do. (barring provable abuse/neglect at the moment) Casey is an adult, and she can make those choices for her daughter. And like you said, she risked getting arrested, if the choking incident is true.... come to think of it, it was probably Caseys ace in the hole... I can almost hear the taunt... go ahead mom, call. I dare you. (if casey had even a red spot on her)

Morning Dvsone, That was pretty much my thoughts on it too.

[CANDYKISSES]

Hi Candy......maybe he's a crime junkie and knew if he opened the bag he could contaminate any evidence in/on the bag? As for the PI having video maybe the defense or the Anthony's heard about the MR's tips and checked the area themselves?

Hi Bookie, I understand what you are saying too. I found myself in a similar situation but a much smaller scale two years ago about this time. I could see a body from the road and could have touched it too, but I was afraid and had left my cell at home. I first went to the closest business (a coffee drive thru chain) and the woman didn't want to call it in. She said it was probably a bum sleeping a drunk off. I was flabberghasted to say the least.

Then I stopped the next customer and asked him if he would mind calling 911 and if he could stay until someone got there to respond. We both stayed until the police and ambulance arrived as neither one could tell if the gentleman was deceased or alive but WERE BOTH afraid to touch him. :blushing:<shame> We called out to him, were both within a foot of him but you couldn't tell if he was breathing. It had been a cold night, the night before and he was a mess laying there but not responding to anything we did. I felt sure if he was deceased it was probably hypothermia and possibly alcohol figuring into the equation. Thankfully, he was alive.

While I realize this is a much different scenario, I can understand the fear associated with possibly finding someone who can't respond and not knowing the circumstances of their placement.

I also agree about the idea the PI could have gone as a result of reviewing the tips. There is simply something about the timing and a few other things that makes me uncomfortable about finding Caylee. While on face it sounds silly, there's nothing that would surprise me about this tragedy anymore.

Do you believe she wasn't there in November?

[Dunlurken]

I keep wondering about the book. A few days ago, it was confirmed that the book from the nursing home was the book found at the remains site. W/the book was some pictures. I thought when I saw the pictures that Cindy must have shoved the pictures into Caylee's book for the ride home. Which means that Caylee probably wasn't still playing w/the book. So how did Casey get the book and Caylee out of the house in such a heated rush... ???
I find it interesting that Casey, during her interview with LE, said she hadn't spoken to Caylee in 30 days, but Caylee called her the day before and kept talking about her "book" and her shoes.

Lots of craziness going on. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Your entire family and good friends, just like mine, are relieved that you are tucked safely away in NC and not anywhere near this fiasco in Florida. God only knows what mischief we would have gotten into. I know at least one Hibiscus bush that would have had good reason to be concerned........... :tonguewag:



Yep, the A's are lucky they still have that bush..:biggrin:

[Dunlurken]

No, Dun, I know she wasn't working then, but she was working for a year or so right after Caylee was born, that's the time period I'm talking about when she might have had a certain level of insurance. If she did, then why wouldn't Cindy have noticed when it wasn't there any more? Wouldn't she wonder why? After all, Casey was supposed to have such a great job she would expect insurance to come with it.

All's I can say is ask Cindy. JMO.

[dohinmom]

I am still of the belief ( so far) that the meter reader is simply a good samaratin. I think i would have done much the same as him had I been in his shoes. I am pretty sure I would NOT have actually looked in the bag, knowing there was a missing child in the area. That is something I would not want to see and remember for the rest of my life.

he saw a bag and called the police 3 times. chances are he was talking about it at work and that is how his bosses knew what he was doing on county time. so they then changed his route. then after things with the guy settle down, they put him back on his original route, maybe thinking he would keep to his county work only.

But he doesn't and he finds another bag ( the black bag with Caylee). The first bag he found was not black but grey and the second bag I think was white.

I think if he was connected to the a's and they tipped him off about the remains actual location, that he would not be even thinking of speaking to the media. I think he would be lying REAL low. IMO

I also think that if LA was Caylee's father, then she would have had some type of physical deformity or mental handicap. IMO

dolphinmom

[AJandTam]

LP has said that Zenaida does have a silver Kia- and thought that Casey mistook it for a Ford Focus (he mentioned they are similar body styles)- she told LE that her ZFG drove a silver Ford Focus.

I agree that she may have asked any one of her LE "friends" if they could run a plate for her...

imo

:tonguewag: What do you know? You dont show up often enough to know anything. .Hush women!

[dvsone]

Guess we need to check out the time line. I won't debate Kronk. He is not involved.

But I'll tell you one thing. If I find a skull, I certainly won't call 911. I don't want my past or present dragged through the mud. JMO.
Im pretty sure it is only THIS skull that has caused his name to be drug through the mud. Any other random skull wouldnt have gotten this attn. You should be safe if you were to discover one I think. Go ahead and call.

[PuffDragon]

I know where I work your children are covered to age 23 under the parents helath insurance. Possibly Cindy's insurance is the same. The only out of pocket would be for the baby's (Caylee) direct expenses, pediatrician etc, but Casey would have been covered OB/GYN etc.

Oh, okay, that would at least explain the ob/gyn coverage. I know that my parents' health insurance only carried me until age 18, at which point I had to get my own at college, but that was in The Dark Ages and much has probably changed since then. My kids were off on their own jobs with their own insurances by the time they hit 18 so I was able to drop my health insurance completely, I don't know whether they would have been covered or not.

It still doesn't address my question, why wouldn't Casey have had health insurance if she had this great event planner job?

[AJandTam]

Have you ever called the police on your own child? Its not easy, and the decision when you do so is a no turning back now flip. Im dreading the day. I will do it because its whats been advised, but I can tell you when that moment comes.... I fear it will be all over for us.

Im no Cindy defender, Im just telling you, once you do you cant uncall them.

That is a very good point. And why alot of times the Le should be called in many situations and are not called.

[Postergeist]

I think the third call did satisfy him somewhat, the cop came out and looked around. We don't know how extensively or even what exactly Kronk showed him. When he was re assigned in December, the water level had receded quite a bit. Don't forget the neighborhood teenager that was interviewed said there is always water there, sometimes it's deeper than others. there may have been other bags there containing actual garbage and those were what he saw originally. Caylee's remains were there unfortunately just out of sight.

recalling a post made elsewhere about time spent-

the times spent at the dump site in August by LE were-

about 5 minutes on August 11th

7 minutes on August 12

about 24 minutes on Aug. 13




According to dispatch reports, on August 11, a deputy spent about five minutes on the scene where Caylee's body was eventually recovered.
On August 12, a seven-minute search was conducted, and on August 13, a deputy surveyed the area for about twenty-four minutes. In all, a little over half an hour was spent investigating tips which could have settled the mystery as to Caylee's whereabouts months ago.



http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8140251&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

(IRRC- wasn't it the second call that the deputy waved off another deputy to the area telling her he had it covered?)

[*MoonRider*]

Which tells me that Cindy was not interested in getting Casey into trouble with the law when she first called LE, she was only interested in manipulating her. You are right, if she really wanted her locked up, she could have called that night or immediately after finding out that Casey had stolen from her own grandmother(or any of the other times Casey was caught stealing yet Cindy never called the cops).

JMO

I agree. I think there was a lot of manipulation going on in that family. Casey never had to face consequences for her lying and stealing. Casey does not possess an aspect which most people have that makes us us legitimately human, and that is a conscience. A inner voice that guides us to do the right thing.

[daHawg]

LP has said that Zenaida does have a silver Kia- and thought that Casey mistook it for a Ford Focus (he mentioned they are similar body styles)- she told LE that her ZFG drove a silver Ford Focus.

I agree that she may have asked any one of her LE "friends" if they could run a plate for her...

imo
Before the "real" Zenaida's myspace went private she had a pic of her car in her photos and it was a Silver Kia that had been in an accident. Coincidentally Casey tells Cindy that Zenaida was in a wreck on their way back from Jacksonville. :glare:

[jakee]

Okay, I remember now. Swearing under oath doesn't mean much IMO.

Perper said last night that the fingerprints are probably gone from the duct tape because Caylee's remains were under water for so long. JMO.

I heard Dr. Perper say that too which confused me. Wasn't there another Dr. maybe Baden or Kobi, who said there had been cases where a body was recovered years later and they were able to get prints off the tape. The body was in the snow or something? Anyone remember this?

That is when I first thought there was hope of getting Casey's prints off the tape. Whichever Dr. said it sure seemed confident there would be fingerprints on the tape. Now I just don't know anymore.

[StillEG]

I keep wondering about the book. A few days ago, it was confirmed that the book from the nursing home was the book found at the remains site. W/the book was some pictures. I thought when I saw the pictures that Cindy must have shoved the pictures into Caylee's book for the ride home. Which means that Caylee probably wasn't still playing w/the book. So how did Casey get the book and Caylee out of the house in such a heated rush... ???

:ohmy: Hi Tam

I've been following VERY closely until the holidays got in the way and I guess I missed this!!! When was the book confirmed?? That is big news.

[Shells2]

I took a mini break from this for a few days..

Is the general consensus that Casey was telling LE that Caylee told her about her book on the phone, because she had buried Caylee with that book, and wanted it to look like someone else had done it?

[Neffy]

Right, but she could have called the cops on Casey for ripping off her grandparents, but then again, I think one of the grandparents would have to call and press charges not Cindy, unless she had power of attorney, which she may. Nonetheless, if Casey stormed out like an animal and took the child, she could have called concerned her daughter was upset and she felt the child was in danger.

jmo


Everything is correct. After missing a few days she could have called on Casey to. Childwelfare check. LE would have responded.

Heck again July 3, instead of calling the cops Cindy makes a myspace page. Exactly what she typed should have been verbally said on a call to LE.

NO MONEY, NO CLOTHES, NO FOOD, NO RENT! Cindy could have given LE Casey's cell phone number to contact her. She could have given them Casey's friends number to track her down.

[AJandTam]

I find it interesting that Casey, during her interview with LE, said she hadn't spoken to Caylee in 30 days, but Caylee called her the day before and kept talking about her "book" and her shoes.

Lots of craziness going on. JMO.

She lies like crazy, not particularly good at it. Not good at murder either. Going to jail for good. Oh darn!

[destiny1]

No, Dun, I know she wasn't working then, but she was working for a year or so right after Caylee was born, that's the time period I'm talking about when she might have had a certain level of insurance. If she did, then why wouldn't Cindy have noticed when it wasn't there any more? Wouldn't she wonder why? After all, Casey was supposed to have such a great job she would expect insurance to come with it.


I wonder if casey's having such a great job with money to show for it would Cindy be so into checking up that she had to have an insurance card for Caylee. Casey's ruse starts and she doesn't necessarily know anything is amiss for some time. Unless she took caylee for her appointments, there would be no reason for her to have any detailed knowledge of insurance.

[CANDYKISSES]

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I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.


Unless she feared retribution from Casey IF she did grab her around the neck. I keep thinking we might have heard something about bruising and that might have fed the beast in the media, but zip, nada,nothing.

I don't know if Casey would have been that brave with Cindy and George, presuming he was and it actually happened.

That's a lot to believe with no corroberation other than the neighbor. JMO.

[PROPROS]

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Also if the nanny really had Caylee the cell phone would have been glued to her hip waiting for a phone call.:thumbsup: Also, there would be no calls that would have gone to voice mail. I don't recall how many "messages" were left on her phone, but if your child was kidnapped, I'm pretty sure you would pick up every call pronto!mo

[Dunlurken]

:tonguewag: What do you know? You dont show up often enough to know anything. .Hush women!Thanks for the laugh. It's always good to get one now and then. Postie! :loveeyes:

[CC I See]

LP has said that Zenaida does have a silver Kia- and thought that Casey mistook it for a Ford Focus (he mentioned they are similar body styles)- she told LE that her ZFG drove a silver Ford Focus.

I agree that she may have asked any one of her LE "friends" if they could run a plate for her...

imo

Well looky what the cat dragged in.... miss us did ya? :laugh:

BE

[dvsone]

good morning all.....I always thought it was odd lee went to the hearing on the day they found Caylee's body.......

My personal thought on it before the before the body being announced as found, was that since C & G were out of town, Lee had to do the family thing.... per momma. (just guessing)

[kitty1182]

I took a mini break from this for a few days..

Is the general consensus that Casey was telling LE that Caylee told her about her book on the phone, because she had buried Caylee with that book, and wanted it to look like someone else had done it?




Good point there!!!

[KKKKKKatie]

I took a mini break from this for a few days..

Is the general consensus that Casey was telling LE that Caylee told her about her book on the phone, because she had buried Caylee with that book, and wanted it to look like someone else had done it?


that is my take on it Shells....and I bet they found the shoes with her also IMO

[Neffy]

She lies like crazy, not particularly good at it. Not good at murder either. Going to jail for good. Oh darn!

Cindy's Aesop tale of the Girl who cried/lied wolf doesn't float either.

But this time she's telling the truth! BAAA!

[aubrey04]

Guess we need to check out the time line. I won't debate Kronk. He is not involved.

But I'll tell you one thing. If I find a skull, I certainly won't call 911. I don't want my past or present dragged through the mud. JMO.

No kidding. I would scared to report finding something like a body because of the way this guy has been treated. What a complete nightmare for him.. and he isn't even getting the big reward, although Nejame said he might give him $5k.. 5k isn't worth the hassle.

Of course, in the end.. it sounds like Kronk really wanted to find Caylee and that was what matters most to him. You could tell during the 911 tapes with Kronk ~ he didn't want to get involved. I am glad that he decided to do the right thing ~ no matter how bad some people want to smear the man's name.

[shelbar53]

KISS

There was an argument the night of June 15th, casey took caylee and left in a huff. She was probably trying to talk to tony on the phone but caylee was crying and then casey spotted the duct tape and taped caylees mouth to shut her up...casey forgot about caylee and she suffociated. Casey put caylee in the trunk and drove around with her until she started to smell. {she tied to do something the 18th...maybe thats when she double bagged her}

She almost got caught by her dad, she got scared and drove around the corner to dump the body in a hurry....just in case her dad would find her. Maybe he smelled the stink and was asking her about it.

Casey was planning to move the body to a "better" location but by that time, her car was towed and she had no means to transport her. she didnt want to stink up anyone elses car. {could this be when she called a car rental place?}

Now her mom gets the car back from the tow yard and is raving mad about the $500 to retrieve it and is on a mission to find casey. she finds amy's number in the car..the rest is history. So now CA and casey are together and cindy is still out of control mad about the $500 and all of caseys lies about where she has been the past month.

Cindy calls 911 because she is furious with casey and wants to teach her a lesson, it isnt about caylee at that time...just about how cindy is gonna get casey in trouble with LE..cindys last straw with money... remember the month before she was stealing from cindys parents.

[CANDYKISSES]

Before the "real" Zenaida's myspace went private she had a pic of her car in her photos and it was a Silver Kia that had been in an accident. Coincidentally Casey tells Cindy that Zenaida was in a wreck on their way back from Jacksonville. :glare:

Now that is interesting. Would that have fit the time frame of Jesse parting ways with LE? I'm just wondering where she might have picked it up since we know she changes the player names in most of her stories now. JMOOC. :confused:

Casey must have one very busy mind while she is doodling MRS. TONY LAZARRO....:loveeyes:

[destiny1]

*Bolding mine

I agree. I've been harping on that all along. There has been no response, not a word of disavowal or corroboration from any witness, addressing that 'event'. And if it did happen and Cindy didn't immediately call 911, I don't believe somebody wouldn't have jumped in his car and chased after her. But my first instinct is to think that, as you said, Cindy would have called the cops.

If casey was choked and Cindy called LE, she would have been in hot water. Not only with casey s choking but reckless endangerment (I don't know about FL laws, but in my state fighting, and if there was a weapon involved in the presence of a minor child CAN bring those endangerment charges. Possibly removal of child as well.

[AJandTam]

:ohmy: Hi Tam

I've been following VERY closely until the holidays got in the way and I guess I missed this!!! When was the book confirmed?? That is big news.

So much is happening but yes, I do recall the other day it being said that it was confirmed. I am trying to remember the details about it. If it was on tv or if it was in a link... Now you have me wondering.

[Dunlurken]

Thats what I am wondering as well. I missed it too, if its true.

There is a link to the picture of the book that is on video at the nursing home. It was found at the "crime scene" in the swamp, etc. Looked like the same book to me, but what do I know? I keep looking at the video at the nursing home and the book looks the same. Might just be a few pages, but they are "hard" pages, not just soft paper. JMO. A small child can easily turn the page.

[AJandTam]

Thanks for the laugh. It's always good to get one now and then. Postie! :loveeyes:

LOL, It's about time she shows up. She's the one who made me follow this case in the first place...

[kitty1182]

No kidding. I would scared to report finding something like a body because of the way this guy has been treated. What a complete nightmare for him.. and he isn't even getting the big reward, although Nejame said he might give him $5k.. 5k isn't worth the hassle.

Of course, in the end.. it sounds like Kronk really wanted to find Caylee and that was what matters most to him. You could tell during the 911 tapes with Kronk ~ he didn't want to get involved. I am glad that he decided to do the right thing ~ no matter how bad some people want to smear the man's name.



I'm glad he did what he did too!!

[Postergeist]

Hi Candy......maybe he's a crime junkie and knew if he opened the bag he could contaminate any evidence in/on the bag? As for the PI having video maybe the defense or the Anthony's heard about the MR's tips and checked the area themselves?

I surely hope he didn't pull a George and get all up into that bag like what happened at the tow lot and then back at the house with the whole de-funking the trunk mission!

Wait- I forgot Cindy- I seem to recall she stated some where about using Febreeze inside the vehicle and we know about the washing.

:scared:

imo

[SavannahStar]

:ohmy: Hi Tam

I've been following VERY closely until the holidays got in the way and I guess I missed this!!! When was the book confirmed?? That is big news.


Does anyone have a link to this? To my knowledge it is not confirmed.

[nc1948]

I find it interesting that Casey, during her interview with LE, said she hadn't spoken to Caylee in 30 days, but Caylee called her the day before and kept talking about her "book" and her shoes.

Lots of craziness going on. JMO.

lots and lots of contradictory statements. Loved that their lawyer says there will be no more contradicting statements. He just admitted that they had already made some.

[Dunlurken]

Now that is interesting. Would that have fit the time frame of Jesse parting ways with LE? I'm just wondering where she might have picked it up since we know she changes the player names in most of her stories now. JMOOC. :confused:

Casey must have one very busy mind while she is doodling MRS. TONY LAZARRO....:loveeyes:

Heck, she only slept 3 hours a night, either texting or on her cell phone. JMO.

[AJandTam]

Thats what I am wondering as well. I missed it too, if its true.

My brain is fried on where I see or heard this tidbit. I want to say it was in a link but can't remember if it was in a link or on tv. I know I heard it and it was discussed on this board a few days ago. I am looking for a link on it now..

[CANDYKISSES]

good morning all.....I always thought it was odd lee went to the hearing on the day they found Caylee's body.......

Another interesting note that escaped me even tho I was glued to the TV that day. :blink:

It just doesn't add up for me. Is that your feeling summer?

The family was gone, and Lee was showing up after months of nothing.

INTERESTING at best. JMO:unsure:

[dvsone]

Right, but she could have called the cops on Casey for ripping off her grandparents, but then again, I think one of the grandparents would have to call and press charges not Cindy, unless she had power of attorney, which she may. Nonetheless, if Casey stormed out like an animal and took the child, she could have called concerned her daughter was upset and she felt the child was in danger.

jmo

Problem with a child welfare call would be Cindy knowing where to send the police to have a visual assessment of Caylee.

[AJandTam]

Does anyone have a link to this? To my knowledge it is not confirmed.

Looking for a link now Savannah...

Good morning.

[Dunlurken]

lots and lots of contradictory statements. Loved that their lawyer says there will be no more contradicting statements. He just admitted that they had already made some.

The "devil" is in the details. They can run, but they cannot hide. Justice will be found for Caylee. JMO.

[daHawg]

So much is happening but yes, I do recall the other day it being said that it was confirmed. I am trying to remember the details about it. If it was on tv or if it was in a link... Now you have me wondering.

I saw this a little over a week ago. Take it for what it's worth. I am not saying that is "confirmation" just this is how it could be said that people heard it was confirmed.


From the link....
This undated photo shows missing girl Caylee Anthony reading a storybook police say they found in the woods near her family's home.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469785,00.html

[Hey Paula]

that is my take on it Shells....and I bet they found the shoes with her also IMO

I believe that too, Katie.

Casey mentioned the book and shoes for a reason. And although she might have thought it was a brilliant stroke on her part, it will backfire and point to her as being the perp at trial, especially if no evidence of foreign DNA was found at the crime scene or on Caylee's remains.

IMO

[summer4meplz]

So much is happening but yes, I do recall the other day it being said that it was confirmed. I am trying to remember the details about it. If it was on tv or if it was in a link... Now you have me wondering.

I THINK it was a newspaper article...I remember reading it too...the book didn't seem to be warped like I would think it would be if it had been sitting in water for months.....unless it was completely wrapped in plastic and even then I wonder if it wouldn't be a bit warped....

[Peter]

Hi Candy......maybe he's a crime junkie and knew if he opened the bag he could contaminate any evidence in/on the bag? As for the PI having video maybe the defense or the Anthony's heard about the MR's tips and checked the area themselves?

Hi Bookie,
If Biaz would have paid for and picked up the disks that had the leads on it...but because he didn't, I dont know how he would have heard about the tips. .....

[dvsone]

snipped

I also think that if LA was Caylee's father, then she would have had some type of physical deformity or mental handicap. IMO

dolphinmom


Oh please lets not start this again.

Everyone ... Kumbaya
:unsure:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Attorney Advising Anthonys Says Lee May Be Charged
(tape apparently confirmed by OCSO spokesman)
"They know the existence of the tape and want to look at all evidence that's available," Padilla said.
http://www.wftv.com/news/18380933/detail.html

[Janz]

recalling a post made elsewhere about time spent-

the times spent at the dump site in August by LE were-

about 5 minutes on August 11th

7 minutes on August 12

about 24 minutes on Aug. 13


http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8140251&version=3&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

(IRRC- wasn't it the second call that the deputy waved off another deputy to the area telling her he had it covered?)

Thank you for this link, I remember this and this is why I feel all this spin about the MR is just that, "spin by the defense", just another bizarre twist to this terrible crime. I believe LE will have to admit to this blunder and they will. JMO about the MR.

[dohinmom]

I don't think Lee is Caylee's father, but I really don't think that a baby produced by siblings is a guarantee for deformity or handicap.

The only reason I don't think he is the father is because I thought she would have had to have some type of deformity. But if siblings can have healthy children then I am leaning towards him being the father. Don't throw anything at me - LOL. But that is IMO.

I refuse to believe that someone who is as controlling as Cindy would not know or remember the father's name of her grandchild. Even if casey didn't know who the father was, she definately would know the names of the guys she slept with, although that doesn';t mean she would have told her mother that it could be this guy or that guy. IMO

the other thing about it is that I can't believe Cindy would be okay with not knowing who the family was and whether they would pop up to be a part of their grandchild's life. again IMO

dolphinmom

[Neffy]

Heck, she only slept 3 hours a night, either texting or on her cell phone. JMO.

That's another oddity. Casey seems never slept.

I can't believe that she's a model prisoner. She is so far out of her environment I would think she would be in mass hysteria. No cell, no computer and forced to sleep or at least just lay there.

[MalloryCat]

Problem with a child welfare call would be Cindy knowing where to send the police to have a visual assessment of Caylee.

Right, very true.

I just dont think she left with Caylee that night, the pings from her phone that night come from the ones that hit when she is at home, so I just don't think that happened.

[CC I See]

If casey was choked and Cindy called LE, she would have been in hot water. Not only with casey s choking but reckless endangerment (I don't know about FL laws, but in my state fighting, and if there was a weapon involved in the presence of a minor child CAN bring those endangerment charges. Possibly removal of child as well.
It's too bad that Cindy didn't squeeze hard enough. Caylee would still be alive and Cindy would plead temporary insanity and get off with a slap on the wrist.

Regarding the PI video recording the location where the bag was found prior to its discovery. This prove nothing. The absence of the bag could also mean that it was in another location and then moved by an accomplice to the location where it was found. It also may have been hidden under brush and not seen. Didn't Padilla say it was in mud?

[summer4meplz]

Another interesting note that escaped me even tho I was glued to the TV that day. :blink:

It just doesn't add up for me. Is that your feeling summer?

The family was gone, and Lee was showing up after months of nothing.

INTERESTING at best. JMO:unsure:


the news about the body started breaking just as the hearing was ending....maybe he thought casey would be there and he would be able to signal to her somehow....I just don't remember any of them going to any of her hearings...but I could easily be wrong.....

[Dunlurken]

I saw this a little over a week ago. Take it for what it's worth. I am not saying that is "confirmation" just this is how it could be said that people heard it was confirmed.


From the link....
This undated photo shows missing girl Caylee Anthony reading a storybook police say they found in the woods near her family's home.



http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,469785,00.html

Thank you. Now, I'm not sure the importance of this, but does anyone have a picture of the book, or piece thereof, found at the "crime scene"? We know Caylee was there, and we assume it was her book. Yes, I'm certain of it. Just wish I had a link to the picture of the book at the crime scene. JMO.

[CANDYKISSES]

I wonder if casey's having such a great job with money to show for it would Cindy be so into checking up that she had to have an insurance card for Caylee. Casey's ruse starts and she doesn't necessarily know anything is amiss for some time. Unless she took caylee for her appointments, there would be no reason for her to have any detailed knowledge of insurance.

Puff and Destiny, maybe in the July 3rd Myspace post...Cindy mentions paying the doctor bills too. JMO but I have read such authored by Cindy IIRC. :blink: I think she knew that part.

[Mandymax]

Just back from the Christmas holidays, and I think it's going to take me all of New Years to get through everything I've missed.

Did the family visit Casey on Christmas? I kept wondering about that all last week.

[summer4meplz]

I know there was something that looked like the book, but I was questioning if it was true that it had actually been confirmed that it was indeed that very book.

I do remember reading an article that stated it WAS the book...but that doesn't mean it WAS the book if you know what I mean....

[rj1212]

I heard Dr. Perper say that too which confused me. Wasn't there another Dr. maybe Baden or Kobi, who said there had been cases where a body was recovered years later and they were able to get prints off the tape. The body was in the snow or something? Anyone remember this?

That is when I first thought there was hope of getting Casey's prints off the tape. Whichever Dr. said it sure seemed confident there would be fingerprints on the tape. Now I just don't know anymore.

I remember hearing that on NG either the same day or the next day after the remains were found. I think it was Dr. Perper...

[nc1948]

So much is happening but yes, I do recall the other day it being said that it was confirmed. I am trying to remember the details about it. If it was on tv or if it was in a link... Now you have me wondering.

AJ, I think it was on tv. I can not find a link. MAybe you can. Bu I do remember hearing it also.

[CANDYKISSES]

the news about the body started breaking just as the hearing was ending....maybe he thought casey would be there and he would be able to signal to her somehow....I just don't remember any of them going to any of her hearings...but I could easily be wrong.....


I think George and Cindy were at pretty much all the hearings but the last one....I had not seen Lee in a long time. The hearing appearance was the first time for me in over a month to see him out publicly. JMO.

:sneaky:

[Cury-us Coyote]

Another interesting note that escaped me even tho I was glued to the TV that day. :blink:

It just doesn't add up for me. Is that your feeling summer?

The family was gone, and Lee was showing up after months of nothing.

INTERESTING at best. JMO:unsure:

While glued to TV, did you actually see LA? I did not, IMO.

[*MoonRider*]

:ohmy: Hi Tam

I've been following VERY closely until the holidays got in the way and I guess I missed this!!! When was the book confirmed?? That is big news.

I missed it too. Does anyone have a link or did it come from LP?

[Dunlurken]

The only reason I don't think he is the father is because I thought she would have had to have some type of deformity. But if siblings can have healthy children then I am leaning towards him being the father. Don't throw anything at me - LOL. But that is IMO.

I refuse to believe that someone who is as controlling as Cindy would not know or remember the father's name of her grandchild. Even if casey didn't know who the father was, she definately would know the names of the guys she slept with, although that doesn';t mean she would have told her mother that it could be this guy or that guy. IMO

the other thing about it is that I can't believe Cindy would be okay with not knowing who the family was and whether they would pop up to be a part of their grandchild's life. again IMO

dolphinmomPaternity is an issue we are not allowed to discuss. Before we all go off on that tangent. TIA.

[SavannahStar]

The only reason I don't think he is the father is because I thought she would have had to have some type of deformity. But if siblings can have healthy children then I am leaning towards him being the father. Don't throw anything at me - LOL. But that is IMO.

I refuse to believe that someone who is as controlling as Cindy would not know or remember the father's name of her grandchild. Even if casey didn't know who the father was, she definately would know the names of the guys she slept with, although that doesn';t mean she would have told her mother that it could be this guy or that guy. IMO

the other thing about it is that I can't believe Cindy would be okay with not knowing who the family was and whether they would pop up to be a part of their grandchild's life. again IMO

dolphinmom


And that's what makes you think Lee is the father??????

[shelbar53]

the news about the body started breaking just as the hearing was ending....maybe he thought casey would be there and he would be able to signal to her somehow....I just don't remember any of them going to any of her hearings...but I could easily be wrong.....

Lee was at the hearing on Dec 11th. I was watching and it was reported he was there

[Postergeist]

:tonguewag: What do you know? You dont show up often enough to know anything. .Hush women!


:biggrin: well I'm too busy remote viewing is why-

and posting on an invisiboard too.

:lol:

I do try to keep up with the news and 'new rules' as well- saw it mentioned here and I too think it's eerie how Casey had to mention to LE that "Caylee was telling her about her book and shoes" and now 5 months later wonder if she said that in case the remains were found with a book and shoes.

imo

[KKKKKKatie]

Books

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg

[Dunlurken]

I do remember reading an article that stated it WAS the book...but that doesn't mean it WAS the book if you know what I mean....

Pretty odd that is was found at the same site as Caylee though. I don't have a link to the picture......That has a lot more credibility to me then the crosses bought at JCPenny's, which we haven't determined as fact yet.

I did see a picture of the muddy book. I know it, I know it.

[shelbar53]

And that's what makes you think Lee is the father??????

"deformities" come from regular imbreeding. not a one time deal but repeated procreation of family lines. also if there is some heritity issues, they continue to be passed along.

[AJandTam]

AJ, I think it was on tv. I can not find a link. MAybe you can. Bu I do remember hearing it also.

Thank you NC. I know we heard about it the other day. Can't remember for the life of me if I heard it on tv or a link but it was discussed here. I can't find the link on it at the moment either.

Thanks to all helping me w/this information. At the time this came out. It wasn't big news to me as I already concluded it was the same book. I thought the shapes and colors looked the same.

[Regina.Lampert]

:tonguewag: What do you know? You dont show up often enough to know anything. .Hush women!

:eek: Watch out, The Geist will get ya!! :laugh:

[shelbar53]

Puff and Destiny, maybe in the July 3rd Myspace post...Cindy mentions paying the doctor bills too. JMO but I have read such authored by Cindy IIRC. :blink: I think she knew that part.

I thought cindy said at the bond hearing she paid for everything, including medical expenses that casey didnt have to pay for anything.

[Neffy]

Problem with a child welfare call would be Cindy knowing where to send the police to have a visual assessment of Caylee.

All they would need is Casey's cell phone number. Cindy could have reported that she felt Caylee was in grave danger and Casey has not disclosed her location or allow her to speak to her grandaughter. LE would have called that number and at the very least left a message for her to call the department.

[nc1948]

The "devil" is in the details. They can run, but they cannot hide. Justice will be found for Caylee. JMO.

One of our posters with legal knowledge did say that they cannot use any of the news interviews to impeach them. IT is not against the law to lie to media or public. BUT, that any of the LE interviews that were sworn to can be used. I think that they will have plenty.

[CANDYKISSES]

KISS

There was an argument the night of June 15th, casey took caylee and left in a huff. She was probably trying to talk to tony on the phone but caylee was crying and then casey spotted the duct tape and taped caylees mouth to shut her up...casey forgot about caylee and she suffociated. Casey put caylee in the trunk and drove around with her until she started to smell. {she tied to do something the 18th...maybe thats when she double bagged her}

She almost got caught by her dad, she got scared and drove around the corner to dump the body in a hurry....just in case her dad would find her. Maybe he smelled the stink and was asking her about it.

Casey was planning to move the body to a "better" location but by that time, her car was towed and she had no means to transport her. she didnt want to stink up anyone elses car. {could this be when she called a car rental place?}

Now her mom gets the car back from the tow yard and is raving mad about the $500 to retrieve it and is on a mission to find casey. she finds amy's number in the car..the rest is history. So now CA and casey are together and cindy is still out of control mad about the $500 and all of caseys lies about where she has been the past month.

Cindy calls 911 because she is furious with casey and wants to teach her a lesson, it isnt about caylee at that time...just about how cindy is gonna get casey in trouble with LE..cindys last straw with money... remember the month before she was stealing from cindys parents.

Hey Shel, I'd say what you have laid out here is QUITE POSSIBLE if she wasn't found in a bathing suit. :crying: I keep looking to find some kind of humanity in Casey as she clearly exhibited NONE in the removal of Caylee's remains. Apparently if she disposed of that bag, she couldn't even give her dignity in death IMO. :crying:

If Caylee was in her bathing suit, I can see that MAYBE Casey just had to remove herself from any REALITY about the consequences of negligence and how her life had changed forever as Caylee's shining light burnt out.

IF Caylee drowned as Casey was busy with her social life, and she rushed to put her in the yard, I can only imagine what a horrific vision it was when she returned to move her. I don't know many people who could stomach it myself. It might be enough to send some over the edge. JMO tho. Poor Caylee, God only knows what she went through in the end. :unsure:

[5boxersmom]

I really think what the MR saw in Aug. was not the remains. I think they were underwater. The MR probably thought the area was cleared when LE came and was just going to take a leak and came upon it. LE probably did look and not find anything, just trash back in Aug.

Tim Miller and a neighbor say the area was flooded. If you look at the rain chart there was a lot of rain in June and July.

http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm

imo

[PROPROS]

There is a link to the picture of the book that is on video at the nursing home. It was found at the "crime scene" in the swamp, etc. Looked like the same book to me, but what do I know? I keep looking at the video at the nursing home and the book looks the same. Might just be a few pages, but they are "hard" pages, not just soft paper. JMO. A small child can easily turn the page.Looks like the same book to me. What are the chances that it would be a different (but almost the same) book. However, in this case no twist or turn can be ruled out.mo

[summer4meplz]

The only reason I don't think he is the father is because I thought she would have had to have some type of deformity. But if siblings can have healthy children then I am leaning towards him being the father. Don't throw anything at me - LOL. But that is IMO.

I refuse to believe that someone who is as controlling as Cindy would not know or remember the father's name of her grandchild. Even if casey didn't know who the father was, she definately would know the names of the guys she slept with, although that doesn';t mean she would have told her mother that it could be this guy or that guy. IMO

the other thing about it is that I can't believe Cindy would be okay with not knowing who the family was and whether they would pop up to be a part of their grandchild's life. again IMO

dolphinmom

just a huge heads up on this subject......Coldwater does not want us to discuss the incest angle.......I would hate to see anyone go to time out......

[Dunlurken]

All they would need is Casey's cell phone number. Cindy could have reported that she felt Caylee was in grave danger and Casey has not disclosed her location or allow her to speak to her grandaughter. LE would have called that number and at the very least left a message for her to call the department.That's why I'm thinking they all will be charged with neglect. 31 days without talking to a grand daughter that lived with you? Nah, I ain't buying it. JMO.

[kitty1182]

Books

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg




Sure looks like the same thing to me..

[Postergeist]

Thank you. Now, I'm not sure the importance of this, but does anyone have a picture of the book, or piece thereof, found at the "crime scene"? We know Caylee was there, and we assume it was her book. Yes, I'm certain of it. Just wish I had a link to the picture of the book at the crime scene. JMO.

ugh- everyone is faster than I am with reading and getting links but here are two more links that mention the book


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263699 (article from 12/19)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 6083.story (article from 12/18)

links have photos to books

hi ya Dunnie and everybuddy else too!

[ishkabibble]

Oh, okay, that would at least explain the ob/gyn coverage. I know that my parents' health insurance only carried me until age 18, at which point I had to get my own at college, but that was in The Dark Ages and much has probably changed since then. My kids were off on their own jobs with their own insurances by the time they hit 18 so I was able to drop my health insurance completely, I don't know whether they would have been covered or not.

It still doesn't address my question, why wouldn't Casey have had health insurance if she had this great event planner job?

I'm sure she had a great excuse for GA/CA, similar to how this big company couldn't manage to direct deposit her checks so she had to borrow from them, and also why her "work provided" cellphone bill had t be paid by them also. I can imagine her explaination was quite detailed and therefore very believable, because the more detail the more true your story is. Just listen to Cindy give chapter and verse of the "car accident" story, so many details for an event that never happened.

[Dunlurken]

just a huge heads up on this subject......Coldwater does not want us to discuss the incest angle.......I would hate to see anyone go to time out......
Thanks for repeating what I already posted. Guess some missed my post. JMO.

[CC I See]

Looks like the same book to me. What are the chances that it would be a different (but almost the same) book. However, in this case no twist or turn can be ruled out.mo

... and I am sure there are lots of copies of that same book around but there just might be fingerprints on the smooth plastic inside that links both Caylee and Casey and does not include the non existent Nanny's fingerprints. That would help the prosecution prove their case.

[summer4meplz]

While glued to TV, did you actually see LA? I did not, IMO.


I didn't see him either, I just remember a reporter saying he was there.....and I was surprised....

[AJandTam]

:biggrin: well I'm too busy remote viewing is why-

and posting on an invisiboard too.

:lol:

I do try to keep up with the news and 'new rules' as well- saw it mentioned here and I too think it's eerie how Casey had to mention to LE that "Caylee was telling her about her book and shoes" and now 5 months later wonder if she said that in case the remains were found with a book and shoes.

imo
Good to see ya here girl.
Even when she lies, she tells the truth??

[PuffDragon]

Hi there,

I totally agree with you puffdragon about the insurance. Once she stopped working she would lose the health insurance but I am sure too that even though Caylee was "never" sick there would still be regular doctors visits for vaccinations and such. Unless she stole money from cindy to cover these costs so cindy wouldn't have caught on that she was out of a job. IMO:unsure:

dolphinmom

Might be interesting to check with the pediatrician's office, huh? Who took Caylee for her appointments, how often did she get there, how did they get paid....?

Of course it means nothing to the main issue, it's only of interest if it indicates that Cindy and George had enough clues that they should have long since been aware that Casey had no wonderful event planner job.

[klock777]

Someone on NG said last night that the MR was transferred off that route becaus of his obsession in looking for Caylee and had just recently been put back on this route:confused:

[AJandTam]

:eek: Watch out, The Geist will get ya!! :laugh:

Yes, I know. She knows all of my secrets. :tongue:

[CC I See]

Thanks for repeating what I already posted. Guess some missed my post. JMO.

While it might prove motive as to why Casey would want her child dead.... you are right. At this time there is no proof that this is true and should not be discussed unless it becomes fact.

[nc1948]

Looks like the same book to me. What are the chances that it would be a different (but almost the same) book. However, in this case no twist or turn can be ruled out.mo


defense will either go with kidnappers took book when they took Caylee. Then why not take her favorite doll.

Or go with it is not same book. Bet prosecution can get another copy of book and prove by showing the page that is shown in photo of site.

[ishkabibble]

I don't think much bothers her Candy, look how long she drove around with the car stinking to high heaven.

As to that smell, when Lee was telling LE about it he said he had to leave the garage, where he and Casey were waiting while the police spoke to GA/CA , every few minutes because it stunk so bad, but he never mentioned if Casey also left. I got the impression she stayed in the garage, I guess she was accustomed to the odor by that time.

[CANDYKISSES]

I thought cindy said at the bond hearing she paid for everything, including medical expenses that casey didnt have to pay for anything.

I remember that too Shel. I was just looking for the myspace entry again.

The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/my-space-cindy-anthony/

:sad:

[PROPROS]

That's another oddity. Casey seems never slept.

I can't believe that she's a model prisoner. She is so far out of her environment I would think she would be in mass hysteria. No cell, no computer and forced to sleep or at least just lay there.Well she doesn't have much choice...And remember she feels safe being a few feet from the watch commanders station. If she acted up, she would end up in the what the inmates call the "ding tank". It is a pod for mentally challenged inmates. mo

[PuffDragon]

You don't have to steal money to have your child go to a doctor. You have to pay with a credit card. No big deal. I'm sure Cindy forked over the credit card to be sure Caylee had all her shots, etc. And let us not forget, I think Caylee had been to a dentist. JMO.

I'm sure she would, if she knew there was no health insurance . But she thought Casey had a job, why wouldn't she expect Casey to have insurance?

[shelbar53]

Hey Shel, I'd say what you have laid out here is QUITE POSSIBLE if she wasn't found in a bathing suit. :crying: I keep looking to find some kind of humanity in Casey as she clearly exhibited NONE in the removal of Caylee's remains. Apparently if she disposed of that bag, she couldn't even give her dignity in death IMO. :crying:

If Caylee was in her bathing suit, I can see that MAYBE Casey just had to remove herself from any REALITY about the consequences of negligence and how her life had changed forever as Caylee's shining light burnt out.

IF Caylee drowned as Casey was busy with her social life, and she rushed to put her in the yard, I can only imagine what a horrific vision it was when she returned to move her. I don't know many people who could stomach it myself. It might be enough to send some over the edge. JMO tho. Poor Caylee, God only knows what she went through in the end. :unsure:

cindy said that when they got home from visiting her parents they went swimming. then casey shows up and the big fight happens, thats when casey just grabbed caylee still in her suit and left. To me, if they find her in a suit, all the more daming she left in hurry, probably caylee just grabbed her book and off they went. I dont think casey would stay at the house just to be screamed at..thats why she left madder then a hornet.

[Neffy]

... and I am sure there are lots of copies of that same book around but there just might be fingerprints on the smooth plastic inside that links both Caylee and Casey and does not include the non existent Nanny's fingerprints. That would help the prosecution prove their case.

Only problem is Anthony family's prints should be on there. Although the non-existent Nanny already has invisible prints but you know those Anthony's. Nanny wore gloves. :blink:

[summer4meplz]

... and I am sure there are lots of copies of that same book around but there just might be fingerprints on the smooth plastic inside that links both Caylee and Casey and does not include the non existent Nanny's fingerprints. That would help the prosecution prove their case.


actually there's not a lot of copies...I think Boxer is the one that found out the book is out of print.....it easily might have been casey's childhood book

[dohinmom]

And that's what makes you think Lee is the father??????

sorry everyone, I forgot we weren't supposed to talk about this topic. Or maybe I never knew weren't supposed to talk about it, so I won't get into why I think this but I will answer your question by saying that this isn't why i think he is. I have other reasons.
IMO

Thanks for the reminder dunlurken.
dolphinmom

[Postergeist]

KISS


<snipped>

Now her mom gets the car back from the tow yard and is raving mad about the $500 to retrieve it and is on a mission to find casey. she finds amy's number in the car..the rest is history. So now CA and casey are together and cindy is still out of control mad about the $500 and all of caseys lies about where she has been the past month.

Cindy calls 911 because she is furious with casey and wants to teach her a lesson, it isnt about caylee at that time...just about how cindy is gonna get casey in trouble with LE..cindys last straw with money... remember the month before she was stealing from cindys parents.


and who could forget the little detail we learned about Cindy looking in Caylee's wallet that night (I think while they were still at Tony's- maybe it was after they got home) and finding that cash and pocketing it- saying something like it was likely hers to begin with (Cindy's) {paraphrasing}...

wow- just wow!

like the Good Book says- the LOVE of money is the root...

imo

[Neffy]

cindy said that when they got home from visiting her parents they went swimming. then casey shows up and the big fight happens, thats when casey just grabbed caylee still in her suit and left. To me, if they find her in a suit, all the more daming she left in hurry, probably caylee just grabbed her book and off they went. I dont think casey would stay at the house just to be screamed at..thats why she left madder then a hornet.

ITA wasn't Casey coming off of TonE's bday. Who needs Cindy's carp!

Their outta there. Yes, ITA!

[ishkabibble]

I remember that too Shel. I was just looking for the myspace entry again.

The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/my-space-cindy-anthony/

:sad:

I thought she was in daily touch with Casey, who told her repeatedly that Zanny was watching Caylee. Zanny was the nanny for almost two years, why would Cindy wonder who was looking out for the little angel. All these inconsistancies will be brought out in the trial and soemone will have to try to expalin them.

[Pruddennce]

Not LE's fault at all, IMO. They were getting thousands of bogus calls. Someone sees a trash bag and calls LE. They shrug him off and say, call the tip line. Not uncommon if you ask me. JMO.

I agree. LE was actively seeking Caylee A MONTH LATER. their primary concern was finding her, however, because they didnt find her REMAINS, that should fall on their shoulders as 'a fault'.

she was dead for over a month at the time a 911 call was made that she was 'kidnapped'. the smell in the car, all of the circumstances surrounding her 'disappearance' indicated she was deceased. in that instance, its a gift to find remains to determine COD if possible and most importantly to lay her to rest....also, to have the question finally answered she is not out playing somewhere. (for the Anthonys, not for LE who knew she was a victim the moment Casey lied about locations, people, places and Universal).

thirty days goes by, why would Casey care she was wasting 'valuable' time, as she already knew her daughter's disposition. that is precisely what LE was communicating to her...'how is lying helping to find your daughter'?

she knew the answer. there was no 'help' to be offered.

*renting videos, shopping, tattoo'ing, texting, endless cell phone use, endless computer activity, committing fraud'......*

I esp enjoyed her explanation as to what she 'would/or was' doing to find her daughter: *Ill lie steal, whatever it takes*

buying a case of beer, clothes and lingeries *stolen checks used as a 'tool' to find her daughter* look what she purchased.... for ME ME ME

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[SavannahStar]

"deformities" come from regular imbreeding. not a one time deal but repeated procreation of family lines. also if there is some heritity issues, they continue to be passed along.

I didn't mean that, I meant the other stuff in that post, about Cindy.

[jakee]

As to that smell, when Lee was telling LE about it he said he had to leave the garage, where he and Casey were waiting while the police spoke to GA/CA , every few minutes because it stunk so bad, but he never mentioned if Casey also left. I got the impression she stayed in the garage, I guess she was accustomed to the odor by that time.

I got the same impression also.

[kitty1182]

might have been on Velez's show or on Nancy Grace.It was a video of the crime scene and showed what appeared to be a book and yes it resembles the book the child Cayee has in the video where she is reading/holding it.
Of course the police aren't going to confirm it's the same book.If it is it's obviously evidence.
I wonder why the book would have been left there. Maybe the "tot mom" as NG called her wanted to leave some of the child's things there as some sort of memorial.
That would tend to go along with this person who has said to the tabloids that local people buried their pets there ..I would think that would be easy for LE to confirm that the area is some sort of unofficial pet cemetary by interviewing people who live in that area/neighborhood.
A child is not a pet but maybe the "tot mom" thought of her child as no better than a pet that she could discard at her leisure.

:cursing:



I think she put the body there on the 24th after she gave GA his gas cans back...She probally figured she had to get rid of the book too so she tossed it out thinking the elements would probally tear it up..I have no clue as why she kept the car seat and doll..(Especially if "nanny" had her)

[shelbar53]

I remember that too Shel. I was just looking for the myspace entry again.

The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/my-space-cindy-anthony/

:sad:

she also said that at the bond hearing, that casey didnt have to pay for anything and I was so hoping the SA would of asked her, what about paying the nanny? a friend of caseys in her interview said she was paying 400 a week. {$1600 a month according to casey per her friend}

[Neffy]

and who could forget the little detail we learned about Cindy looking in Caylee's wallet that night (I think while they were still at Tony's- maybe it was after they got home) and finding that cash and pocketing it- saying something like it was likely hers to begin with (Cindy's) {paraphrasing}...

wow- just wow!

like the Good Book says- the LOVE of money is the root...

imo

OMG! That was astounding. Lee laughing about that in his LE interview! Cindy did it and the minute the uniformed officer walked out of the room! TALK ABOUT GALL!

[desmom]

Someone on NG said last night that the MR was transferred off that route becaus of his obsession in looking for Caylee and had just recently been put back on this route:confused:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html

[CC I See]

actually there's not a lot of copies...I think Boxer is the one that found out the book is out of print.....it easily might have been casey's childhood book

I didn't know that.... thank you for the update.

[shelbar53]

I think she put the body there on the 24th after she gave GA his gas cans back...She probally figured she had to get rid of the book too so she tossed it out thinking the elements would probally tear it up..I have no clue as why she kept the car seat and doll..(Especially if "nanny" had her)

because it was to much trouble to carry the carseat into the woods, good lord she just carried caylee in there in a bag, she was to tired to do te same with the carseat. she probably thought she had more time to dispose of the carseat but then her car got towed, threw a monkey wrench into her plans to take care of the little details later, like hide the body better, get rid of the doll and carseat, destroy the car??

[Dunlurken]

ugh- everyone is faster than I am with reading and getting links but here are two more links that mention the book


http://www.digitaljournal.com/article/263699 (article from 12/19)

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... 6083.story (article from 12/18)

links have photos to books

hi ya Dunnie and everybuddy else too!
I can't find the photo of the book. Oh well, I know I saw it. I won't stress over it.

[shelbar53]

I didn't know that.... thank you for the update.

someone said the book was first in print the year casey was born. so I bet it was caseys book passed down to caylee

[Janz]

I can't find the photo of the book. Oh well, I know I saw it. I won't stress over it.

dunlurken, go back a few posts, KKKkkatie posted the link to photo for you.

[Snail]

I really think what the MR saw in Aug. was not the remains. I think they were underwater. The MR probably thought the area was cleared when LE came and was just going to take a leak and came upon it. LE probably did look and not find anything, just trash back in Aug.

Tim Miller and a neighbor say the area was flooded. If you look at the rain chart there was a lot of rain in June and July.

http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm

imo

Actually, I heard a reporter say the hurricane that flooded the area happened two weeks after the calls, so the area might not have been underwater.

[aubrey04]

Who is mistreating the meter man?

Lenny Padilla and some other posters on a variety of internet message board websites, which shall remain nameless.

[shelbar53]

I can't find the photo of the book. Oh well, I know I saw it. I won't stress over it.

book caylee was reading at NH and crime scene photos of book

http://origin-www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-book-photo-gallery,0,5999866.photogallery

[CC I See]

Lenny Padilla and some other posters on a variety of internet message board websites, which shall remain nameless.
He must still be mad that he was not the one to find Caylee's body.

[PuffDragon]

She would have been covered and gotten free medical care for Caylee from the state. Casey however WOULD have had to say she DIDN"T know who the baby's father was. Had they provided a name they would have gone after the father first before providing for medical benefits. She would have recieved WIC also.

WIC

WIC provides Federal grants to States for supplemental foods, health care referrals, and nutrition education for low-income pregnant, breastfeeding, and non-breastfeeding postpartum women, and to infants and children up to age five.

Heck I worked with a few women that recieved this.

Your child can get free medical care and all that other stuff even when you have a great job and no expenses and live at home with your parents?

[MOMMOM]

Is trutv not showing trials this week cause of the holidays? Or is it more changes with this station and we won't be seeing any trails anymore?

[ishkabibble]

because it was to much trouble to carry the carseat into the woods, good lord she just carried caylee in there in a bag, she was to tired to do te same with the carseat. she probably thought she had more time to dispose of the carseat but then her car got towed, threw a monkey wrench into her plans to take care of the little details later, like hide the body better, get rid of the doll and carseat, destroy the car??

She didn't have to get rid of the car seat, she told Cindy that Zanny had a seperate car seat for Caylee and plenty of clothes and shoes. There was nothing strange about the car seat still being in her car if the person she claims stole her has a seat for her.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree. LE was actively seeking Caylee A MONTH LATER. their primary concern was finding her, however, because they didnt find her REMAINS, that should fall on their shoulders as 'a fault'.

she was dead for over a month at the time a 911 call was made that she was 'kidnapped'. the smell in the car, all of the circumstances surrounding her 'disappearance' indicated she was deceased. in that instance, its a gift to find remains to determine COD if possible and most importantly to lay her to rest....also, to have the question finally answered she is not out playing somewhere. (for the Anthonys, not for LE who knew she was a victim the moment Casey lied about locations, people, places and Universal).

thirty days goes by, why would Casey care she was wasting 'valuable' time, as she already knew her daughter's disposition. that is precisely what LE was communicating to her...'how is lying helping to find your daughter'?

she knew the answer. there was no 'help' to be offered.

*renting videos, shopping, tattoo'ing, texting, endless cell phone use, endless computer activity, committing fraud'......*

I esp enjoyed her explanation as to what she 'would/or was' doing to find her daughter: *Ill lie steal, whatever it takes*

buying a case of beer, clothes and lingeries *stolen checks used as a 'tool' to find her daughter* look what she purchased.... for ME ME ME

IMO

best regards,
Pru


And your opinion is accurate......

[PROPROS]

As to that smell, when Lee was telling LE about it he said he had to leave the garage, where he and Casey were waiting while the police spoke to GA/CA , every few minutes because it stunk so bad, but he never mentioned if Casey also left. I got the impression she stayed in the garage, I guess she was accustomed to the odor by that time.She is so evil...She is in the garage smelling her murdered childs decomp..Makes me sick to type it. Also, says things like "I got rid of the smell"...That is what Caylee was to her "a bad smell that needed to be gotten rid of".mo

[shelbar53]

She didn't have to get rid of the car seat, she told Cindy that Zanny had a seperate car seat for Caylee and plenty of clothes and shoes. There was nothing strange about the car seat still being in her car if the person she claims stole her has a seat for her.

yes thats true. but still, the car getting towed had to be a problem for casey. I wonder if she called around to different towyards looking for her car.

[kitty1182]

She is so evil...She is in the garage smelling her murdered childs decomp..Makes me sick to type it. Also, says things like "I got rid of the smell"...That is what Caylee was to her "a bad smell that needed to be gotten rid of".mo

She is an evil, wicked, heartless person..imo

[KKKKKKatie]

I can't find the photo of the book. Oh well, I know I saw it. I won't stress over it.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg

[nc1948]

I do have to disagree with your legal knowledgeable poster source..media interviews can and do get used all the time in court cases to either impeach or impart mindset of any witness...I have also heard on cross examinations of witness', they get questioned on coments they made to people in interviews or editorials..now video tape of words coming out of their mouths is even more powerful!

In Scott Peterson's case, media interviews were brought in by bringing in the "Interviewer" to the stand, and playing the tape..Somehow, your poster resource is maybe mistaken in the uses of such evidence.

BTW..no law against lying to the public, however if those lies conteradict what they have said to LE or FBI..well, watch out.."Fur Could FLY"!!..Not to mention in court provides examples of credibility or lack there of to their testimony!! Agenda comesto mind..whether its to coverup or make money..no matter!! The Anthony's are going to have to do some splainin' when they testify..IMO

LMS:laugh:

Maybe I misunderstood. Won't be first time. I hope you are correct and every statement they have made, sworn to or otherwise can be used. I would love for them to play some of the tapes and ask about their statements. I especially want Cindy to explain the "Mother of the year" comment. George to explain the "Not my grandaughter in the trunk" Lee to explain laughting when talking about the smell in the car. Lee to please explain what the high five was all about. I want someone to ask Cindy what is in her notebook. I want to know why they searched their back yard under the playhouse for a live Caylee.

Oh gosh, I need to stop. I could go on for days with the things I want to know.

[5boxersmom]

Actually, I heard a reporter say the hurricane that flooded the area happened two weeks after the calls, so the area might not have been underwater.

Yes, but there was also a lot of rain in the months of June and July compared to the year before.

[PuffDragon]

Have you ever called the police on your own child? Its not easy, and the decision when you do so is a no turning back now flip. Im dreading the day. I will do it because its whats been advised, but I can tell you when that moment comes.... I fear it will be all over for us.

Im no Cindy defender, Im just telling you, once you do you cant uncall them.

Police had been called to the house many times previously.

[Barbara fl.]

Reminds me of the "photo" Baez claims to have of Zenaida in JB Park that never materialized. this may go the same way.


I think that's exactly where it's going....

[nc1948]

book caylee was reading at NH and crime scene photos of book

http://origin-www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-caylee-anthony-book-photo-gallery,0,5999866.photogallery


Shel there is a post further back that shows the two shots side by side. Great visual.

[Snail]

Okay, everyone who has only listened to the MR (Kronk) calls should also look at these documents from the Dispatcher's Office. It explains a lot.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Based on these docs here is what I think likely happened: MR calls on 8/11, the police clear the scene in 5 minutes. Why so quick? Whatever the MR saw is still nagging at him at 9:00 PM the next night, 8/12, so he calls again. In the documents it clearly states that they ask him to call back when he can meet the LE at the scene. LE is still dispatched, but it is 9:00 at night, it is dark! They are only on the scene 7 minutes. The reason the MR calls again on 8/13 is to meet the LE out there, as he was advised to do by the dispatcher. The LE stay longer, and conclude whatever he saw as just trash. It is all there in the documents.

Based on these, I do not think it is strange that the MR called three times. Also, I do not think LE looked deep in the woods on 8/13, and did not investigate whatever was "under the tree". So when the MR went to work in the area on 12/11 he decided to check out what he saw previously and found the bag.

[shelbar53]

yes thats true. but still, the car getting towed had to be a problem for casey. I wonder if she called around to different towyards looking for her car.

I just wonder if george and cindy lay in bed at night remembering the last smell of their garnddaugher which isnt a sweet bubbly bath smell but a stinking rotting decompsing stench. Yet they go on defending casey knowing full well what that stink was. Horrible and unblievable to me.

[Regina.Lampert]

She is an evil, wicked, heartless person..imo

An evil, odious creature with a malignant heart. How cindy, george and lee can stomach her is way beyond me. :thumbdown:

[nothingnew]

We were talking earlier that perhaps the "is this like the other time" question asked by Lee to Casey in the jail house visit meant Casey has pulled rank before and when push comes to shove Casey yanks Caylee away from Cindy as her weapon of choice against Cindy.

That makes the most sense to me. Weren't casey and Caylee absent the early part of June for cindys vacation? Aren't there stories of overnight outings with Caylee (she's in the bed and the next morning she's not). And the nights when Caylee slept while casey and her friends partied-anyone know when these times were? I can't imagine casey bringing Caylee home in the middle of the night on a regular basis and cindy not saying something about it to tick her off. So much to still discover!

[KKKKKKatie]

Okay, everyone who has only listened to the MR (Kronk) calls should also look at these documents from the Dispatcher's Office. It explains a lot.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Based on these docs here is what I think likely happened: MR calls on 8/11, the police clear the scene in 5 minutes. Why so quick? Whatever the MR saw is still nagging at him at 9:00 PM the next night, 8/12, so he calls again. In the documents it clearly states that they ask him to call back when he can meet the LE at the scene. LE is still dispatched, but it is 9:00 at night, it is dark! They are only on the scene 7 minutes. The reason the MR calls again on 8/13 is to meet the LE out there, as he was advised to do by the dispatcher. The LE stay longer, and conclude whatever he saw as just trash. It is all there in the documents.

Based on these, I do not think it is strange that the MR called three times. Also, I do not think LE looked deep in the woods on 8/13, and did not investigate whatever was "under the tree". So when the MR went to work in the area on 12/11 he decided to check out what he saw previously and found the bag.

that explains it for me snail! thanks

[Postergeist]

OMG! That was astounding. Lee laughing about that in his LE interview! Cindy did it and the minute the uniformed officer walked out of the room! TALK ABOUT GALL!

I know- it seems so unbelievable that this would be a concern at the time...(I'm trying to recall the convo Cindy had with Casey about a ring- but it's been so long ago)

all of it is just bizarre-

your child is "missing" and yet- you're pretty bummed about that other phone that's "missing/lost"

your granddaughter's missing and the car stinks so bad that the odor doesn't just stay in the garage but wafts its way into your house and yet- you're told to go to work and you do...

your niece is missing but for some reason it's highly imperative to not just retrieve your sis's laptop but to take precious time to delete stuff from it...

and so forth and so on

imo

:cursing:

[ishkabibble]

Your child can get free medical care and all that other stuff even when you have a great job and no expenses and live at home with your parents?

I think Cindy made the Dr appointments and paid for them, Lee told LE Casey provided nothing financial towards Caylee's upkeep. I believe Cindy probably took Caylee to the doctor app'ts too. I doubt Casey was available those days. She had a very important event to plan those days. just couldn't be there.

[PROPROS]

I think she put the body there on the 24th after she gave GA his gas cans back...She probally figured she had to get rid of the book too so she tossed it out thinking the elements would probally tear it up..I have no clue as why she kept the car seat and doll..(Especially if "nanny" had her)IIRC, zanny had her own car seat (with pink flowers) naturally!mo:rolleyes:

[aubrey04]

I can't understand why Lenny is still allowed to talk on tv. He seems full of it. He's asked a question, and answers..uh, heres something else I've been thinking about and when I discussed it with Rob.... blah blah blah.

Well, I had given Lenny a pass until now. As far as I was concerned, he was theorizing like a lot of us do.. although it did always bother me that he states things as fact when they're not a fact. They're an opinion.

But lately my patience with lenny has worn thin. He is accusing the meter man of illegal activities when there is no proof of that whatsoever. I can picture Lenny getting sued before this is all said and done.

jmo

[trich]

I do have to disagree with your legal knowledgeable poster source..media interviews can and do get used all the time in court cases to either impeach or impart mindset of any witness...I have also heard on cross examinations of witness', they get questioned on coments they made to people in interviews or editorials..now video tape of words coming out of their mouths is even more powerful!

In Scott Peterson's case, media interviews were brought in by bringing in the "Interviewer" to the stand, and playing the tape..Somehow, your poster resource is maybe mistaken in the uses of such evidence.

BTW..no law against lying to the public, however if those lies conteradict what they have said to LE or FBI..well, watch out.."Fur Could FLY"!!..Not to mention in court provides examples of credibility or lack there of to their testimony!! Agenda comesto mind..whether its to coverup or make money..no matter!! The Anthony's are going to have to do some splainin' when they testify..IMO

LMS:laugh:

I agree....Scott Peterson's interviews with the media IMO are what took him down .
Mybe they can not impeach someone for lying to the media but they most certainly can use what they said against them as far as guilt or innocence is concerned.

[Dunlurken]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg

Who loves you baby! Thanks, I knew I saw it somewhere.

[Barbara fl.]

I can't understand why Lenny is still allowed to talk on tv. He seems full of it. He's asked a question, and answers..uh, heres something else I've been thinking about and when I discussed it with Rob.... blah blah blah.


Lenny Padilla is a total, total, total, air head that thinks he is a detective...Nothing he say's makes an ounce of sense...He need to stick to hunting bail jumpers....He thinks he became a celebrity over this case....he has seen dollar signs since he first came to Florida....JMO

[trt]

I remember that too Shel. I was just looking for the myspace entry again.

The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/my-space-cindy-anthony/

:sad:



That is very sad and the last sentence jumps out at me. If she were with MOM OF THE YEAR, why would Cindy be concerned with who was watching out for her? There was obviously some concern over whether or not Casey would do it. JMO

[aubrey04]

Okay, everyone who has only listened to the MR (Kronk) calls should also look at these documents from the Dispatcher's Office. It explains a lot.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Based on these docs here is what I think likely happened: MR calls on 8/11, the police clear the scene in 5 minutes. Why so quick? Whatever the MR saw is still nagging at him at 9:00 PM the next night, 8/12, so he calls again. In the documents it clearly states that they ask him to call back when he can meet the LE at the scene. LE is still dispatched, but it is 9:00 at night, it is dark! They are only on the scene 7 minutes. The reason the MR calls again on 8/13 is to meet the LE out there, as he was advised to do by the dispatcher. The LE stay longer, and conclude whatever he saw as just trash. It is all there in the documents.

Based on these, I do not think it is strange that the MR called three times. Also, I do not think LE looked deep in the woods on 8/13, and did not investigate whatever was "under the tree". So when the MR went to work in the area on 12/11 he decided to check out what he saw previously and found the bag.

Yeah, I agree with you. Good post. :thumbup:

[kitty1182]

With respect to that little yellow book Caylee is seen reading and then the one that is at the site. If it is the book that belonged to Caylee, I think that Casey threw it there as a way of saying "I'm getting rid of you and your stuff, get out of my life!". I doubt very highly that Casey put it there as a little memorial to Caylee. I think she couldn't wait to get rid of this kid and get her and her things as far out of her life as she possibly could and that's why she wrote the myspace blub about being free from this day forward (see Links 1 for details).

Does anyone have the link to the photos of Casey and Lee at a party where she is sitting on his lap?


I remember seeing a pic like that, but until a couple days ago, I did not know it was Lee..I nearly fainted when I heard that..

[shelbar53]

Shel there is a post further back that shows the two shots side by side. Great visual.

I have them saved and I blew them up examined them, turned them all different ways. comparing each image. I looked at what might be "old photos" mixed in with the book. Of course after doing all that, im blind now and can only see the color "yellow".
I did the same thing with what people were saying was the skull. I saw 3 different skulls and 2 stuffed animals and a pair of sunglasses and a plastic bag, so who knows what I saw, most likely a pile of leaves and sticks.

[Neffy]

Your child can get free medical care and all that other stuff even when you have a great job and no expenses and live at home with your parents?

If you make under a certain amount of money yes. I am going under the assumption that ALL of Casey's great job's were BS.

The women that I know recieved these benefits were single mothers, never married to the fathers working approx 30 hours a week making $11.00 per hour. Now I'm saying approximate as these women were banquet servers. If it was a busy week they worked the 30 - 40 hours if not busy and there were some weeks you wouldn't work at all or very minimally 10 - 20 hours. I'd guess yearly gross would be around the $17,000.00 - 23,000.00 mark

The hotel did indeed have benefits also including medical which I believe these women opted out of as the medical was very expensive.

$300.00 a month like a weeks gross pay.

Where they lived or who they lived with was irrelevant.

http://www.fns.usda.gov/wic/howtoapply/incomeguidelines.htm

[breezie]

That's another oddity. Casey seems never slept.

I can't believe that she's a model prisoner. She is so far out of her environment I would think she would be in mass hysteria. No cell, no computer and forced to sleep or at least just lay there.

sociopaths are highly adaptable. I think part of her is glad the act is over. I can't imagine the amount of energy it must take to keep that up. That's why she's sleeping so much now.

Witch!

[Postergeist]

I can't find the photo of the book. Oh well, I know I saw it. I won't stress over it.


There should be links within the text of the articles but here's some more that I hope still work

Caylee and book and book at crime scene photo

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/loc ... otogallery


Video of Caylee with her "Suppertime For Frieda Fuzzypaws" by Cyndy Szekeres

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/video/?s ... book-video

(cover easily seen at 5 thru 8 second frames)

[nc1948]

I remember that too Shel. I was just looking for the myspace entry again.

The daughter who stole money, lots of money, leaves without warning and does not let her mother now speak to the baby that her mother raised, fed, clothed, sheltered, paid her medical bills, etc. Instead tells her friends that her mother is controlling her life and she needs her space. No money, no future. Where did she go? Who is now watching out for the little angel?

http://paperglueetc.wordpress.com/2008/07/27/my-space-cindy-anthony/

:sad:


How soon after this was posted did Cindy call Casey the Mother of the Year. Guess this is one of the contradictory statements her lawyer was talking about.

[Barbara fl.]

might have been on Velez's show or on Nancy Grace.It was a video of the crime scene and showed what appeared to be a book and yes it resembles the book the child Cayee has in the video where she is reading/holding it.
Of course the police aren't going to confirm it's the same book.If it is it's obviously evidence.
I wonder why the book would have been left there. Maybe the "tot mom" as NG called her wanted to leave some of the child's things there as some sort of memorial.
That would tend to go along with this person who has said to the tabloids that local people buried their pets there ..I would think that would be easy for LE to confirm that the area is some sort of unofficial pet cemetary by interviewing people who live in that area/neighborhood.
A child is not a pet but maybe the "tot mom" thought of her child as no better than a pet that she could discard at her leisure.

:cursing:



The only problem with the book is that after all that time and the water that was there, I doubt that the book would have been still looking like a book.....

On the pet's burial ground issue....How many pets could Casey have had that died on her....Or was she killing them....Wonder if Cindy ever mentioned any of their pets coming up missing....I guess she wouldn't tell us if they had.....

[desmom]

Actually, I heard a reporter say the hurricane that flooded the area happened two weeks after the calls, so the area might not have been underwater.


Gale St. John was in Orlando on August 11. http://www.wesh.com/news/17160869/detail.html

She did a blind drive and went down Suburban. The video is on her website: http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm The woman out with the dog (I think her name is Colleen) talks about the water.

[trich]

I believe that too, Katie.

Casey mentioned the book and shoes for a reason. And although she might have thought it was a brilliant stroke on her part, it will backfire and point to her as being the perp at trial, especially if no evidence of foreign DNA was found at the crime scene or on Caylee's remains.

IMO



Think about it...all the things that we know that have been discovered leads to bits and pieces that Casey has said ...which in her mind are reasons for these things being found or happening.
Close to home...the nanny had a key to the house...the nanny had clothes, carseat, etc for Caylee...the book as mentioned above..
There are other too but that is just what I can think off right off the bat.
She thinks she is so clever and I hope this cleverness just seals her guilt.

[shelbar53]

I remember seeing a pic like that, but until a couple days ago, I did not know it was Lee..I nearly fainted when I heard that..

was that really Lee? I couldnt tell.

check you Pm january

[PuffDragon]

I find it interesting that Casey, during her interview with LE, said she hadn't spoken to Caylee in 30 days, but Caylee called her the day before and kept talking about her "book" and her shoes.

Lots of craziness going on. JMO.

Cindy played the video for Casey when she got home to show how cute Caylee had been with ggp? It would have been very fresh in Casey's mind and popped right out when he was questioned about the supposed phone call.

[bluwaters]

yes thats true. but still, the car getting towed had to be a problem for casey. I wonder if she called around to different towyards looking for her car.
She may have thought that the car was stolen, just as she had hoped it would be!

[KKKKKKatie]

Who loves you baby! Thanks, I knew I saw it somewhere.

lol :smile:

[CANDYKISSES]

I thought she was in daily touch with Casey, who told her repeatedly that Zanny was watching Caylee. Zanny was the nanny for almost two years, why would Cindy wonder who was looking out for the little angel. All these inconsistancies will be brought out in the trial and soemone will have to try to expalin them.


Yeah, sure and Cindy (as we have come to know her personality) doesn't have any means to get in touch with said nanny...SURE OK!

She sure figured out how to reach out to everyone Casey had on her list of BFF's forever....:thumbup:

Revisiting the visitation at the jail. Remember when Cindy asked Casey if anyone had been in the house, specifically Zanny? LOL...0h please.

Then somehow they acknowledge Zanny has a KEY. Zanny the travelling nanny with clothes for your tot, unlimited funds for the theme parks in FL and money hanging off her bod from head to toe...

NONE of it makes sense unless you go to PLAN B, Casey's script for 55 days ending on Caylee's BD...oh the snickers Ms. Casey must have had with that. It sickens me to think back to all the game playing whilst other people are out there searching for little Caylee. :cursing:

[dvsone]

Right, very true.

I just dont think she left with Caylee that night, the pings from her phone that night come from the ones that hit when she is at home, so I just don't think that happened.


Right, we all know you dont believe much of the speculations here.

There has been talk by the neighbors that heard a screaming match..... which didnt seem out of the ordinary or they would have noted ... OMG... this is the first time Ive ever heard anything like that from them.

I think Caylee was yanked out of bed, put in the car, and Casey took whatever belongings she wanted. Cindy wasnt going to risk anything while she was p'od. She better than anyone knew how erratic Caseys choices were in this type of situation. Most likely wasnt a good thing. If Cindy says she doesnt know that... she ls LYING. period.

[PuffDragon]

All's I can say is ask Cindy. JMO.

And would you believe anything she said?

[kitty1182]

was that really Lee? I couldnt tell.

check you Pm january



It's been a long time since I've seen the pic....I didn't think anything of it till it was mentioned it was him..I would like to see it again..

[PROPROS]

An evil, odious creature with a malignant heart. How cindy, george and lee can stomach her is way beyond me. :thumbdown:ITA...And how they can still "love" Casey is beyond me....I don't have children, so I'm not the best judge I'll admit...However, if a family member (of mine) murdered their own (innocent) flesh and blood, my love would be sorely tested. I believe my anger and repulsion might overide my feelings of love.mo

[Dunlurken]

And would you believe anything she said?

No, I would not, which is why they are all looking at charges. Stern warning by prosecution. Did you see that? MSNBC earlier today.

[AlohaRainbow]

because it was to much trouble to carry the carseat into the woods, good lord she just carried caylee in there in a bag, she was to tired to do te same with the carseat. she probably thought she had more time to dispose of the carseat but then her car got towed, threw a monkey wrench into her plans to take care of the little details later, like hide the body better, get rid of the doll and carseat, destroy the car??
she came up with an explanation (lie) as to why the carseat was still in her car... zanny had a carseat for caylee (?pink flowered one, irrc, as well as a complete set of clothes and toys and everything else that caylee would need) in the car that zanny's step-father, victor, gave to zanny.

[i don't think she addressed why caylee's favorite doll was still i nthe car, though...]

[Neffy]

Yeah, sure and Cindy (as we have come to know her personality) doesn't have any means to get in touch with said nanny...SURE OK!

She sure figured out how to reach out to everyone Casey had on her list of BFF's forever....

Revisiting the visitation at the jail. Remember when Cindy asked Casey if anyone had been in the house, specifically Zanny? LOL...0h please.

Then somehow they acknowledge Zanny has a KEY. Zanny the travelling nanny with clothes for your tot, unlimited funds for the theme parks in FL and money hanging off her bod from head to toe...

NONE of it makes sense unless you go to PLAN B, Casey's script for 55 days ending on Caylee's BD...oh the snickers Ms. Casey must have had with that. It sickens me to think back to all the game playing whilst other people are out there searching for little Caylee. :cursing:

Favorite line bolded!

Well when you put it that way...........:w00t:

Is it no wonder Casey's where she's at! :blink:

[Hey Paula]

Think about it...all the things that we know that have been discovered leads to bits and pieces that Casey has said ...which in her mind are reasons for these things being found or happening.
Close to home...the nanny had a key to the house...the nanny had clothes, carseat, etc for Caylee...the book as mentioned above..
There are other too but that is just what I can think off right off the bat.
She thinks she is so clever and I hope this cleverness just seals her guilt.

Yes, and thinking back on past cases, perps do this all the time. They underestimate everyone while overestimating themselves and the result is they convict themselves through their arrogance. Scott Peterson immediately came to mind, but I think this holds true for most, if not all, perps.

[KKKKKKatie]

she came up with an explanation (lie) as to why the carseat was still in her car... zanny had a carseat for caylee (?pink flowered one, irrc, as well as a complete set of clothes and toys and everything else that caylee would need) in the car that zanny's step-father, victor, gave to zanny.

[i don't think she addressed why caylee's favorite doll was still i nthe car, though...]

Zanny probably had a duplicate :rolleyes:

[dvsone]

All they would need is Casey's cell phone number. Cindy could have reported that she felt Caylee was in grave danger and Casey has not disclosed her location or allow her to speak to her grandaughter. LE would have called that number and at the very least left a message for her to call the department.


actually its harder than you think to get a welfare check.... give it a shot... and just tell the dispatcher you think a relative is in danger of her mother... and then give the reason... Cindy wouldnt do that ever. She then cant seem like a norman rockwell painting she has so diligently constructed for years.

[PROPROS]

That is very sad and the last sentence jumps out at me. If she were with MOM OF THE YEAR, why would Cindy be concerned with who was watching out for her? There was obviously some concern over whether or not Casey would do it. JMOWhen Cindy was questioned about this blog, she did a flip flop and said something like " the whole family are writers and Casey understood what she meant"...nonsense! The Anthony's are suffering from a bad case of " I said/did this but, I meant this"!!mo

[desmom]

Okay, everyone who has only listened to the MR (Kronk) calls should also look at these documents from the Dispatcher's Office. It explains a lot.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Based on these docs here is what I think likely happened: MR calls on 8/11, the police clear the scene in 5 minutes. Why so quick? Whatever the MR saw is still nagging at him at 9:00 PM the next night, 8/12, so he calls again. In the documents it clearly states that they ask him to call back when he can meet the LE at the scene. LE is still dispatched, but it is 9:00 at night, it is dark! They are only on the scene 7 minutes. The reason the MR calls again on 8/13 is to meet the LE out there, as he was advised to do by the dispatcher. The LE stay longer, and conclude whatever he saw as just trash. It is all there in the documents.

Based on these, I do not think it is strange that the MR called three times. Also, I do not think LE looked deep in the woods on 8/13, and did not investigate whatever was "under the tree". So when the MR went to work in the area on 12/11 he decided to check out what he saw previously and found the bag.


On August 11, the meter reader was not there when LE arrived per http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-121808,0,397634.story IMO, that is why he called back on 8/12.

jmo

[5boxersmom]

Cindy could have called and reported the car stolen. Looks like there was a stolen vehicle call on the previous 911 calls to the house in 2006.
She also reports a stolen vehicle in her first 2 911 calls. Why didn't she do it earlier? Casey wouldn't have been very mobile without the car.

[SavannahStar]

The only problem with the book is that after all that time and the water that was there, I doubt that the book would have been still looking like a book.....

*snipped*

Exactly.....

[ishkabibble]

she came up with an explanation (lie) as to why the carseat was still in her car... zanny had a carseat for caylee (?pink flowered one, irrc, as well as a complete set of clothes and toys and everything else that caylee would need) in the car that zanny's step-father, victor, gave to zanny.

[i don't think she addressed why caylee's favorite doll was still i nthe car, though...]

A part of me wants to believe she kept the doll as a memento, knowing it was Caylee's favorite thing and to remember her by it. but I think it's more likely she kept it to either deny Caylee the thing she loved or to let Cindy know that Caylee wasn't coming back. Cindy knew Caylee went no where without that doll and when she sees it in the car Casey gives her the message Gone Baby Gone.

[Neffy]

An evil, odious creature with a malignant heart. How cindy, george and lee can stomach her is way beyond me. :thumbdown:

I hear grinch theme song music while reading bolded statement.

YIKES!

[dvsone]

dunlurken, go back a few posts, KKKkkatie posted the link to photo for you.

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg

there ya go... book photos.

[CANDYKISSES]

How soon after this was posted did Cindy call Casey the Mother of the Year. Guess this is one of the contradictory statements her lawyer was talking about.

VERY SOON, TOO SOON IMHO. barf

Here are a few things to ponder...

1. Cindy alleges "her" PI has confirmed all Casey's wild eyed BS stories and found them to all be TRUE.

2. We have a poster come here and say her hubby has a photo of the area the body was found in, and that the bag is NOT there in NOVEMBER and she is GONE as far as I know. She claims he was Cindy's PI.

3. So, we know this guy has been around since Casey last went to jail as he was escorting her at that time. That's Dominic. We know he could have been the photographer taking the pic too, MAYBE.

4. Then we have Baez asking for a Special Master to go over the work product issue prior to allowing photo interview with a prosecutor or LE IIRC. Baez doesn't want anyone discussing the body placement and wheres and whys of any conversations he had with his old/Cindy's new PI IIRC.

5. Cindy and George are off to LKL and supposedly coming back for the hearing the next day, but it doesn't happen.

6. Suddenly the MR is back on the job calling in another tip.

7. Lee is at the hearing after months of MIA IMO.

8. Everyone is covered in the family.

I have to wonder if all these things are connected and could someone like the PI have orchestrated this behind the scenes for his BOSS at the time??

Did Cindy and George pick up Jose's discard with or without his approval?

DUCKING NOW...I know it sounds ludicrous, but it does seem to fit...if you are obsessed with this case anyway. :crying:/:lol: and all the other emoticons....

[PuffDragon]

I wonder if casey's having such a great job with money to show for it would Cindy be so into checking up that she had to have an insurance card for Caylee. Casey's ruse starts and she doesn't necessarily know anything is amiss for some time. Unless she took caylee for her appointments, there would be no reason for her to have any detailed knowledge of insurance.

Well, here's Casey, pretending she still has a job, taking Caylee to a doctor's appointment, likely with no cash in her pocket since she never seemed to have any. How does she pay the doctor unless she asks Cindy for money or for a cc? Wouldn't that have been a 'red flag' for Cindy?

Answering my own question.... maybe with some of that money she was always lifting from Cindy...................? oh, I don't know, just going by Casey's MO, when she stole money it was because she wanted something herself. Would she have 'wasted' ill-gotten money on a doctor's appointment?

[trich]

Hi Trich.. Remember that discussion about the area where Caylee was found being underwater. Was Kathi the reporter who was shaking her head and saying No it wasn't?

I dont' remember that.(her shaking her head and saying it wasn't)
but when was it Tim stopped searching there because of the area being under so much water?
I am sure the LE has this all down pat and can prove when all the water was there and when it left.
At least I hope so.

[mojito]

Not necessarily. Those toddler books they have out with the thick cardboard pages are pretty sturdy. Almost indestructable. And that yellow book looked to me like it had those really thick cardboard pages.


It's one of those "board" books - thicker pages that would have weathered better than a paperback book....

[trich]

It's one of those "board" books - thicker pages that would have weathered better than a paperback book....

Maybe a little bit laminated also.

[CANDYKISSES]

A part of me wants to believe she kept the doll as a memento, knowing it was Caylee's favorite thing and to remember her by it. but I think it's more likely she kept it to either deny Caylee the thing she loved or to let Cindy know that Caylee wasn't coming back. Cindy knew Caylee went no where without that doll and when she sees it in the car Casey gives her the message Gone Baby Gone.


Oh ISH, I have to opt for NUMBER ONE...it makes her have a heart in the recesses of her sick stunted mind. She is such a vile self-serving person, I'm dying to find something that humanizes her. :thumbup:

[SavannahStar]

ITA...And how they can still "love" Casey is beyond me....I don't have children, so I'm not the best judge I'll admit...However, if a family member (of mine) murdered their own (innocent) flesh and blood, my love would be sorely tested. I believe my anger and repulsion might overide my feelings of love.mo

It is very difficult to explain uncondtional parental love to a person who does not have children. It's absolutely unique.

I think in the case of a very heinous crime, it is quite possible to continue to love someone "in spite of" what they did. And, it is quite possible (again, IMO) to love someone and not like them. It's easy to not like a person because of what they have done, but love them in spite of what they have done.

I may have made a mess of explaining that.

I am a mother, and I do understand how Cindy and George could still love Casey.

We are on the outside looking in. They are her parents, and nothing will change that, ever.

[ishkabibble]

Cindy could have called and reported the car stolen. Looks like there was a stolen vehicle call on the previous 911 calls to the house in 2006.
She also reports a stolen vehicle in her first 2 911 calls. Why didn't she do it earlier? Casey wouldn't have been very mobile without the car.

That's kind of tricky to do, she can't give her permission to drive the car and then without an agreement as to when it would be returned just call the police and report it stolen. I mean she can do that but I don't think the police will appreciate as it may not be really stolen. Sort of looking for the police to discipline your child. Better off to get the car back and don't give her access to it in the future. But they may have tried that and failed before, that's why the removed the battery when the car was brought home.

[dvsone]

:ohmy::blink::glare:

can you pass on the photo link? .... tia if you can.

(psst.. Tam must run an errands... brb)

[AlohaRainbow]

A part of me wants to believe she kept the doll as a memento, knowing it was Caylee's favorite thing and to remember her by it. but I think it's more likely she kept it to either deny Caylee the thing she loved or to let Cindy know that Caylee wasn't coming back. Cindy knew Caylee went no where without that doll and when she sees it in the car Casey gives her the message Gone Baby Gone.
gotta leave for work now, but just had to respond to this post, which, imo, is spot on :)

[PuffDragon]

Unless she feared retribution from Casey IF she did grab her around the neck. I keep thinking we might have heard something about bruising and that might have fed the beast in the media, but zip, nada,nothing.

I don't know if Casey would have been that brave with Cindy and George, presuming he was and it actually happened.

That's a lot to believe with no corroberation other than the neighbor. JMO.

And the neighbor said they fought loudly all the time, He wasn't committed to which day it was, either. I just think it's all just too vague to build a theory on.

[5boxersmom]

VERY SOON, TOO SOON IMHO. barf

Snipped

2. We have a poster come here and say her hubby has a photo of the area the body was found in, and that the bag is NOT there in NOVEMBER and she is GONE as far as I know. She claims he was Cindy's PI.



Whoa when was this and how did I miss it?

[martha]

I will be glad when the holidays or over so maybe we can hear some news on this case. I just wonder when they will have a trial. Caylee has touched so many hearts and the a;s will have to come clean when the trial starts. I would love to see the pkcture of lee and casey don;t think I ever seen it. jmho

[mojito]

Maybe a little bit laminated also.


From what I've seen on the internet, this book has been out of print since '91. Could this have possibly been one of Casey's books as a child?:confused:

[desmom]

She may have thought that the car was stolen, just as she had hoped it would be!

I agree. Just more Casey outta sight/outta mind thinking. jmo

[Ellie]

I remember seeing a pic like that, but until a couple days ago, I did not know it was Lee..I nearly fainted when I heard that..

There are pictures out there that I can't find....

Hey, someome mentioned yesterday that there was a report publicized on Casey's reaction to Caylee's body being found but I cannot find it in the links section or anywhere at all. Can someone help a girl out?

I completely don't think the body was moved, but I am starting to think Lee knew about a LOT of this a long, long time ago. His attitude, his secrecy, and his refusal to give dna and fingerprints until he was served a subpoena really leads me to believe he's going down.

My husband is almost as wrapped up in this as I am, and has shed a tear or two on his own. After Caylee was found he burst out "I WOULD HAVE TAKEN HER AND GIVEN HER A HOME!" I think we all feel the same way. Anyway, last night after it was announced on NG that there is speculation that the body was moved, I said "no freakin' way" aloud. LE simply didn't go deep enough into the area, the bag was black (correct?), and under a palmetto tree. It was there all the time...they didn't listen loud enough to hear Caylee's cries. She was there all the time.

[Snail]

On August 11, the meter reader was not there when LE arrived per http://www.orlandosentinel.com/orl-bk-caylee-anthony-121808,0,397634.story IMO, that is why he called back on 8/12.

jmo

ITA, that is why it was still nagging him. He couldn't be sure they checked, or checked thouroughly and so he called back. It also says in those docs that the MR "refused to get closer" to the bag. So for whatever reason, that explains why he didn't look in the bag.

[CANDYKISSES]

It's been a long time since I've seen the pic....I didn't think anything of it till it was mentioned it was him..I would like to see it again..


me 2 please.

[PuffDragon]

:thumbsup: Also, there would be no calls that would have gone to voice mail. I don't recall how many "messages" were left on her phone, but if your child was kidnapped, I'm pretty sure you would pick up every call pronto!mo

Am I deluded or did I see in one of the document dumps that Casey's phone was canceled immediately after her first arrest? Only C, G, or Lee would have done that. I've got to try to remember where I saw it. Why would they do that right away if there was any chance that ZFG would be calling that number???

[5boxersmom]

That's kind of tricky to do, she can't give her permission to drive the car and then without an agreement as to when it would be returned just call the police and report it stolen. I mean she can do that but I don't think the police will appreciate as it may not be really stolen. Sort of looking for the police to discipline your child. Better off to get the car back and don't give her access to it in the future. But they may have tried that and failed before, that's why the removed the battery when the car was brought home.

Tell her to not take it or tell her to bring it back and when she doesn't report it stolen. Casey was not a child. She was a 22 year old adult.

[CANDYKISSES]

Whoa when was this and how did I miss it?

I can't remember the nic, but there was a link to her myspace and a personal chat page IIRC. She claimed to be the spouse of Dominic, and maybe the blonde who kept showing up with Cindy for a while.

I'm sure others remember this one. It was when the board was getting shut down regularly.

[bballgrl]

:ohmy::blink::glare:
Me too??? Please

[Neffy]

actually its harder than you think to get a welfare check.... give it a shot... and just tell the dispatcher you think a relative is in danger of her mother... and then give the reason... Cindy wouldnt do that ever. She then cant seem like a norman rockwell painting she has so diligently constructed for years.

Believe it or not I had this lunatic living across the street from me. I'd left my house to drive an 80 yr old neighbor to the hairdressers (a 4 minute ride because later that day after the dust settled I went out and timed it I was so Pizzed!) After returning home about 20 minutes later the police show up.

They'd recieved a call that two children were left in the home while their mother went out. Now my children were 12 and 14 that I did leave home and the 14 year old is 5'5. I was in the back yard and my kids yell for me MA the police are here to see you. The police saw them in my front yard and asked are they the "children" who lived there. I come out and talk to the pollce. The dispatcher even when dispatching these officers said the call sounded bogus but they said when a child is involved they take every call serious.

This was the 3rd call in the matter of a month made on our house long story with this nut. Anyway anymore calls that they made the police made it clear to them that they would be arrested.

I was extremely upset as what if I was out and my kids did in fact have an emergency and needed to call. Would they come? They assured me they would.

[Ellie]

Whoa when was this and how did I miss it?

My response to that poster would be, "knowing that the bag was basically under the leaves and branches of a palmetto tree, knowing now that it sunk into the ground, did your husband go directly to the exact tree that Caylee was resting under and take a picture of that exact same spot?"

I think the answer would be no.

[Hey Paula]

It's very simple. They can stomach her because they are JUST LIKE HER! In my own opinion of course. That being said....:barf:

They can stomach Casey, even if they b arf privately, because she is their child, and while they might hate what she did, or what she failed to do, they still love and support her, as I believe most parents would.

IMO

[Snail]

VERY SOON, TOO SOON IMHO. barf

Here are a few things to ponder...

1. Cindy alleges "her" PI has confirmed all Casey's wild eyed BS stories and found them to all be TRUE.

2. We have a poster come here and say her hubby has a photo of the area the body was found in, and that the bag is NOT there in NOVEMBER and she is GONE as far as I know. She claims he was Cindy's PI.

3. So, we know this guy has been around since Casey last went to jail as he was escorting her at that time. That's Dominic. We know he could have been the photographer taking the pic too, MAYBE.

4. Then we have Baez asking for a Special Master to go over the work product issue prior to allowing photo interview with a prosecutor or LE IIRC. Baez doesn't want anyone discussing the body placement and wheres and whys of any conversations he had with his old/Cindy's new PI IIRC.

5. Cindy and George are off to LKL and supposedly coming back for the hearing the next day, but it doesn't happen.

6. Suddenly the MR is back on the job calling in another tip.

7. Lee is at the hearing after months of MIA IMO.

8. Everyone is covered in the family.

I have to wonder if all these things are connected and could someone like the PI have orchestrated this behind the scenes for his BOSS at the time??

Did Cindy and George pick up Jose's discard with or without his approval?

DUCKING NOW...I know it sounds ludicrous, but it does seem to fit...if you are obsessed with this case anyway. :crying:/:lol: and all the other emoticons....


I really hope that the PI would not orchestrate this. Think about it, if you are an average citizen, hired by the Anthonys, and they ask you to orchestrate this you could be in SO much trouble! I just do not think anyone would agree to do this. The PI has nothing to gain from it. MHO.

[bluwaters]

ITA, that is why it was still nagging him. He couldn't be sure they checked, or checked thouroughly and so he called back. It also says in those docs that the MR "refused to get closer" to the bag. So for whatever reason, that explains why he didn't look in the bag.

LE was advising against individuals searching, but, in case they did, LE also advised against disturbing a possible crime scene.
If anyone saw something of possible value, they were to flag it and report it, and NOT to touch or move anything of possible interest.

[PuffDragon]

If casey was choked and Cindy called LE, she would have been in hot water. Not only with casey s choking but reckless endangerment (I don't know about FL laws, but in my state fighting, and if there was a weapon involved in the presence of a minor child CAN bring those endangerment charges. Possibly removal of child as well.

You know, we also don't have any really corroborated evidence that there was any choking going on. We're all taking it as gospel, but who really saw this happening? From what I remember, it originated from Casey's mouth to Lee's ears. And then was repeated, 'gossip' style. But who actually saw it?

[ishkabibble]

Tell her to not take it or tell her to bring it back and when she doesn't report it stolen. Casey was not a child. She was a 22 year old adult.

True but she had free access to the car for a number of years, I'm by no means an expert in law but I have seen many Judge Judy episodes with similar (relating only to the car not the child) stories and she has said if you have given permission you cannot have it considered stolen unless you have actually told the person to return it. I don't think I've seen it anywhere that CA/GA had demanded she return the car. But it's a minor issue really. Casey was running the show for years, it would have been nearly impossible to change the patterns.

[Dunlurken]

http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/3936/image1ei7.jpg

there ya go... book photos.

Thanks. Those books are not soft paper, they are cardboard with plastic over each page. My own grand daughter has many. Guess it's not important because bottom line is, it's Caylee's book. JMO.

[DefyGravity]

It is very difficult to explain uncondtional parental love to a person who does not have children. It's absolutely unique.

I think in the case of a very heinous crime, it is quite possible to continue to love someone "in spite of" what they did. And, it is quite possible (again, IMO) to love someone and not like them. It's easy to not like a person because of what they have done, but love them in spite of what they have done.

I may have made a mess of explaining that.

I am a mother, and I do understand how Cindy and George could still love Casey.

We are on the outside looking in. They are her parents, and nothing will change that, ever.

That is what I've thought of the Anthonys all along. There is a lot of criticism for them, and I understand it. But, you are right about the unconditional love of a parent. I can't imagine my love ending for either or my children, no matter what.

I can envision scenarios, like this one, where my heart would be forever broken in a million pieces. But nothing would make me abandon my children. I can't imagine the Anthony's pain. If they did anything illegal in the midst of that pain, they will have to face the consequences. In the meantime, I can't judge them.

[summer4meplz]

I can't remember the nic, but there was a link to her myspace and a personal chat page IIRC. She claimed to be the spouse of Dominic, and maybe the blonde who kept showing up with Cindy for a while.

I'm sure others remember this one. It was when the board was getting shut down regularly.
http://www.joyangels2930.chatango.com/

this is the chatroom for the joy wray...says her husband is one of the private investigators hired by the anthonys.....

[5boxersmom]

I can't remember the nic, but there was a link to her myspace and a personal chat page IIRC. She claimed to be the spouse of Dominic, and maybe the blonde who kept showing up with Cindy for a while.

I'm sure others remember this one. It was when the board was getting shut down regularly.

I remember that woman giving pics to LE at the scene. The same woman who was at JBP, claiming to be a TES member. She was with the cowboy guy. Is that who the poster was?

[CANDYKISSES]

Am I deluded or did I see in one of the document dumps that Casey's phone was canceled immediately after her first arrest? Only C, G, or Lee would have done that. I've got to try to remember where I saw it. Why would they do that right away if there was any chance that ZFG would be calling that number???


Another good question. I hope that one goes before the jury....:unsure:

[CANDYKISSES]

http://www.joyangels2930.chatango.com/

this is the chatroom for the joy wray...says her husband is one of the private investigators hired by the anthonys.....


Yes, I believe that is the one. So, just how deep is the connection, I wonder??????:ohmy:

You have to admit, there are many things that seem to just fit right in with these PI's who found Casey to be telling the truth vs. LE who is saying there is no truth to Casey IMO.

[PROPROS]

It is very difficult to explain uncondtional parental love to a person who does not have children. It's absolutely unique.

I think in the case of a very heinous crime, it is quite possible to continue to love someone "in spite of" what they did. And, it is quite possible (again, IMO) to love someone and not like them. It's easy to not like a person because of what they have done, but love them in spite of what they have done.

I may have made a mess of explaining that.

I am a mother, and I do understand how Cindy and George could still love Casey.

We are on the outside looking in. They are her parents, and nothing will change that, ever.I see the love my sister's have for their sons and as much as I (as the aunt) love them, I know it is not comparable. I was watching an "I Survived" on Bio last night. A girl was telling her horrible story of how her friend was murdered and she was raped and left for dead. As it turns out, the mother and BIL of the "perp" turned him in when they saw the news and recalled that he had come home with blood all over him. I'm not sure of how to tie this (into The Anthony's) except to say that sometimes even the greatest love has boundries.mo

[jakee]

Joy Wray. That's that woman who keeps popping up at every turn claiming she has pictures of the dumping site. Someone googled her a few weeks ago and up popped pictures of her carrying signs for Caylee. Like Help Find Caylee.


Yes, and isn't she the one who says Lenny planted the body? I think she said that in her chat room. IIRC

[summer4meplz]

I remember that woman giving pics to LE at the scene. The same woman who was at JBP, claiming to be a TES member. She was with the cowboy guy. Is that who the poster was?

yes........

[Hey Paula]

That is what I've thought of the Anthonys all along. There is a lot of criticism for them, and I understand it. But, you are right about the unconditional love of a parent. I can't imagine my love ending for either or my children, no matter what.

I can envision scenarios, like this one, where my heart would be forever broken in a million pieces. But nothing would make me abandon my children. I can't imagine the Anthony's pain. If they did anything illegal in the midst of that pain, they will have to face the consequences. In the meantime, I can't judge them.

I feel the same way. Being removed from a situation vs being in the situation itself is entirely different. No one can say what they would or wouldn't do until/unless they find themselves in the same situation. One thing is certain, I hope and pray that neither I, nor any of my fellow posters, will ever have to walk in the Anthonys' shoes.

[kaelieanne]

Don't feel bad Mallory. We are all doing that. The cast of charactors is so confusing.. Casey/Caylee.. Simular names. The Tonys/anthony is a confusing name in this case. Now we have a Dominic Casey. The Padilla the LE guy verses Lenny Padilla. Then there is Lee and Henry Lee.. It's enough to fry all our brains..

That's for sure! If this were a mystery novel, I'd have thrown it against the wall by now thinking all the characters and twists and turns were just too incredible to even fathom.

[SavannahStar]

I see the love my sister's have for their sons and as much as I (as the aunt) love them, I know it is not comparable. I was watching an "I Survived" on Bio last night. A girl was telling her horrible story of how her friend was murdered and she was raped and left for dead. As it turns out, the mother and BIL of the "perp" turned him in when they saw the news and recalled that he had come home with blood all over him. I'm not sure of how to tie this (into The Anthony's) except to say that sometimes even the greatest love has boundries.mo


I don't think that shows boundaries necessarily. That mother could very well still love that son (the perp) with all her heart and soul. But she still turned him in. That doesn't mean she doesn't love him, necessarily. In fact, I'm sure that is what most on here wish the Anthonys were more like with Casey.

Loving a child who is a murderer does not necessarily mean covering up for them. OR vice versa.

Different parents just do things differently than others.

[Dunlurken]

Joy Wray. That's that woman who keeps popping up at every turn claiming she has pictures of the dumping site. Someone googled her a few weeks ago and up popped pictures of her carrying signs for Caylee. Like Help Find Caylee.
Another whacko, IMO. I was appalled when I saw a women clutching her child at the memorial site while smiling at the camera. some Blonde chick.... the daughter looked about 4-5 years old.

don't people have any sense? I would think the child will be scarred for life to be at a crime scene. Maybe it's just me. Ain't a chance in heck I would take my kid to the crime scene. JMO.

[margaritaville]

was that really Lee? I couldnt tell.

check you Pm january


Is there a link to this picture?

could this be the picture that made George barf at his meeting with the FBI?

[PROPROS]

Am I deluded or did I see in one of the document dumps that Casey's phone was canceled immediately after her first arrest? Only C, G, or Lee would have done that. I've got to try to remember where I saw it. Why would they do that right away if there was any chance that ZFG would be calling that number???I don't know about the phone being cancelled...But, when GA visits Casey (at the jail) he tells her that they are not picking up calls that come in ID as "private number"...Well, if my grandbaby (or any family member) heck...if it were one of my cats (god forbid)..was missing, I would be glued to the phone and not miss a call!mo

[CANDYKISSES]

Yes, and isn't she the one who says Lenny planted the body? I think she said that in her chat room. IIRC

Hmmm jakee. So is she the one who claims to be married to the PI for the Anthony family?

I remember her saying that in defense that day, but maybe I have my PI's mixed up. :w00t:

[destiny1]

You know, we also don't have any really corroborated evidence that there was any choking going on. We're all taking it as gospel, but who really saw this happening? From what I remember, it originated from Casey's mouth to Lee's ears. And then was repeated, 'gossip' style. But who actually saw it?

Youre right, third hand hearsay. The only reason I am inclined to believe it is because the neighbor was said to have overheard the argument on the evening of the 15th.

[margaritaville]

She may have thought that the car was stolen, just as she had hoped it would be!

If she really wanted the car stolen why not leave it unlocked with the key in the ignition? Maybe in some "seedy" neighborhood?

[5boxersmom]

Yes, and isn't she the one who says Lenny planted the body? I think she said that in her chat room. IIRC

That's stupid. If Lenny had found the body he would have been shouting it from the rooftops. :smile::smile:

imo

[summer4meplz]

Is there a link to this picture?

could this be the picture that made George barf at his meeting with the FBI?

and to think its one of 1200 "really really bad pictures".....quoting LE from Orange County and the FBI


but....I disagree with Elfin's speculation that it might have been Caylee in the pics......

[Dunlurken]

That's stupid. If Lenny had found the body he would have been shouting it from the rooftops. :smile::smile:

imo

That's why I don't go to those chat rooms. LOL.

Later peeps!

[jakee]

Hmmm jakee. So is she the one who claims to be married to the PI for the Anthony family?

I remember her saying that in defense that day, but maybe I have my PI's mixed up. :w00t:

I do believe she said she was married to a PI that works for the Anthony's, but I cannot recall which one. :confused: I, like so may others, am getting all the names mixed up because there are so many and so many sound the same. :blushing:

[PROPROS]

Joy Wray. That's that woman who keeps popping up at every turn claiming she has pictures of the dumping site. Someone googled her a few weeks ago and up popped pictures of her carrying signs for Caylee. Like Help Find Caylee.We were discussing her late last night...She and the drunk cowboy Dennis Martin are all part of the "kidfinders" crew. She has those modeling shots of her daughters on her my space. Didn't she lose it and start screaming...Caylee is Alive, Caylee is Alive?mo

[summer4meplz]

I do believe she said she was married to a PI that works for the Anthony's, but I cannot recall which one. :confused: I, like so may others, am getting all the names mixed up because there are so many and so many sound the same. :blushing:

Hi Jakee....I don't think she actually named him....just one of the PI's...vague of course

[Cury-us Coyote]

I agree. Just more Casey outta sight/outta mind thinking. jmo

Mornin' Desmom,

Just wanted to ensure you had not overlooked this.

IMO, OSCO computer forensics retrieved a portion of a deleted Yahoo email likely authored by CinA. The email date composed and if communication was actually sent is unclear. Content - questioning who to believe (change within home?), perhaps timing is after the alleged Jacksonville trip w/Jeff, when did media report of Anheiser Busch buy-outs, perhaps after CinA vacation and return to work?

See page 2802 Part 11 (02 of 50)
http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFile...1-2850%20f.pdf

[jakee]

That's stupid. If Lenny had found the body he would have been shouting it from the rooftops. :smile::smile:

imo


Exactly! This woman is a little "off" IMO. Or she just wants to sound like she knows oh so much more than the rest of the people. I don't know, people like that make my head spin.

I said a long time ago when this story first broke, and I was trying to follow along and understand it all...... that I think I am too dumb for this case.

[jakee]

Hi Jakee....I don't think she actually named him....just one of the PI's...vague of course

But of course. :biggrin: Every time someone tried to ask her hard questions she would log out or just not answer.

[trt]

It is very difficult to explain uncondtional parental love to a person who does not have children. It's absolutely unique.

I think in the case of a very heinous crime, it is quite possible to continue to love someone "in spite of" what they did. And, it is quite possible (again, IMO) to love someone and not like them. It's easy to not like a person because of what they have done, but love them in spite of what they have done.

I may have made a mess of explaining that.

I am a mother, and I do understand how Cindy and George could still love Casey.

We are on the outside looking in. They are her parents, and nothing will change that, ever.

My mother, a mother AND a grandmother has explicitly told me since the beginning of this case that her love for her GRANDCHILDREN would definitely supercede any love she has for me if I were implicated or suspected of harming them. As has been pointed out, unconditional love doesn't really exist because if you are loving a child because they are your child, you have a condition on which to love them. I don't think not understanding how Cindy and George could love their daughter enough to try to protect her in the murder of their granddaughter has much to do with having children or not. I think a lot of parents who have followed this case can't understand how the granddaughter loses because of CA and GA's love for Casey. JMO

[breezie]

But of course. :biggrin: Every time someone tried to ask her hard questions she would log out or just not answer.

how do I miss these things...grrr...

[trich]

I do believe she said she was married to a PI that works for the Anthony's, but I cannot recall which one. :confused: I, like so may others, am getting all the names mixed up because there are so many and so many sound the same. :blushing:

well if she is indeed married to the PI that is working for the Anthonys I guess there is no confidentiality there since he must have been spilling his guts to his wife not to mention showing pictures.
What is wrong with people this is just crazy.