Caylee Anthony 12/29 part 2

[4Life]

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[Narcissist71]

thank you...appreciate it :)

[playnice]

Your kid has been kidnapped, you are watching the kidnappers, they move your kid 9 times, yet you dont call LE so they can send a swat team, surround the kidnappers and remove the child.
What is wrong with this picture?

[daniel green]

Hiya Danny!! Actually, in this particular case there is a bit more to it. These people have attempted to do their "own investigating" and along the way destroyed evidence, given intentionally wrong items to the FBI subsequent to a request, attempted to change witness testimony and lied to the police.

The State's Attorney's office is not threatening obstruction and aiding and abetting charges on a whim.

Hello, Regina! Hope you are well and that your new year is a happy, healthy and safe one!

From my window--and I have not followed this case at all--it seems that they just did not want to believe the truth and, perhaps, trying to help their daughter. I've seen that many times, where a parent (who still loved his/her child no matter what) tries to help.

I can see where they would threaten obstruction, if they did in fact do those things. Not that they will ever actually press those charges.

Trying to paint them as monsters, though, seems thin to me. I just don't know what I would do in their situations and pray I never have to find out. I have three grand-daughters (ages 18 mos and 6 mos) whom I love more than anything, more than I ever thought possible. I love my daughters with all my heart.

Were this to happen to my family, this tragedy, this loss, this pain, I truly don't know how I would handle it, other than just losing my mind and soul.

I know that I would not care what ppl on mssg boards said about me, that I know for sure. But to specualte about child porn rings or things like that is just ugly, I think, and adds nothing to any meaningful discussion.

[Barbara fl.]

I have been trying to figure out why the second autopsy.....It makes no sense to me at all.....What would they be looking for?

If someone has an idea or a reson please share it with me.....


Thank you....

[4Life]

thank you...appreciate it :)

Anytime :seeya:

[breezie]

Hello, Regina! Hope you are well and that your new year is a happy, healthy and safe one!

From my window--and I have not followed this case at all--it seems that they just did not want to believe the truth and, perhaps, trying to help their daughter. I've seen that many times, where a parent (who still loved his/her child no matter what) tries to help.

I can see where they would threaten obstruction, if they did in fact do those things. Not that they will ever actually press those charges.

Trying to paint them as monsters, though, seems thin to me. I just don't know what I would do in their situations and pray I never have to find out. I have three grand-daughters (ages 18 mos and 6 mos) whom I love more than anything, more than I ever thought possible. I love my daughters with all my heart.

Were this to happen to my family, this tragedy, this loss, this pain, I truly don't know how I would handle it, other than just losing my mind and soul.

I know that I would not care what ppl on mssg boards said about me, that I know for sure. But to specualte about child porn rings or things like that is just ugly, I think, and adds nothing to any meaningful discussion.

would you lie? That's the simple question and the answer the Anthonys gave was yes.

[Barbara fl.]

Your kid has been kidnapped, you are watching the kidnappers, they move your kid 9 times, yet you dont call LE so they can send a swat team, surround the kidnappers and remove the child.
What is wrong with this picture?


Everything is wrong with....As I said prior...I believe the Anthony's are the only ones that believe each others lies....:glare:

[Anakerie]

I have been trying to figure out why the second autopsy.....It makes no sense to me at all.....What would they be looking for?

If someone has an idea or a reson please share it with me.....


Thank you....
The defense is probably hoping that they can find something that Dr. G. missed so they can say "neener neener" to the prosecution.. lol

[Dunlurken]

Thanks for starting the new thread. I don't know what's so hard about quoting stuff.... but anyway. Dang, I lost my train of thought. JMO.

[breezie]

I have been trying to figure out why the second autopsy.....It makes no sense to me at all.....What would they be looking for?

If someone has an idea or a reson please share it with me.....


Thank you....

they would hope to find something to intimate that Caylee died after Casey was in jail. That's why the Reichs woman was brought in.

[Narcissist71]

Yes I think talking to individuals.....tow yard guy or anyone is fine......

even during an investigation......

My mother and Aunt did it during a case against a cousin of mine......They were trying to figure out what was going on......when talking to one of the "witnesses".....the witness told them that the Police had told her that if she testified to seeing him that she would be doing him a favor because he was headed down the wrong path and nobody in his family cared about him.....

I don't know but having family do what the Defense Attorney wouldn't do....isn't a family not caring.

I also don't agree that being a member of the Navy and training to be a firefighter is going down the wrong path.

[jakee]

Good afternoon all,

In the taped visits with George, Cindy, and Lee, Casey asks them to read a statement by her to the media. Did they ever read these statements? I cannot recall if they did or did not. If not, why? Just curious and sorry if this has been discussed too much. I have not been able to be here much over the past few days.

[Dunlurken]

they would hope to find something to intimate that Caylee died after Casey was in jail. That's why the Reichs woman was brought in.

Almost laughable isn't it? If that poor baby weren't dead, I would laugh. JMO.

[True2Blues]

Your kid has been kidnapped, you are watching the kidnappers, they move your kid 9 times, yet you dont call LE so they can send a swat team, surround the kidnappers and remove the child.
What is wrong with this picture?

Everything.

[Lavenia]

Hello, Regina! Hope you are well and that your new year is a happy, healthy and safe one!

From my window--and I have not followed this case at all--it seems that they just did not want to believe the truth and, perhaps, trying to help their daughter. I've seen that many times, where a parent (who still loved his/her child no matter what) tries to help.

I can see where they would threaten obstruction, if they did in fact do those things. Not that they will ever actually press those charges.

Trying to paint them as monsters, though, seems thin to me. I just don't know what I would do in their situations and pray I never have to find out. I have three grand-daughters (ages 18 mos and 6 mos) whom I love more than anything, more than I ever thought possible. I love my daughters with all my heart.

Were this to happen to my family, this tragedy, this loss, this pain, I truly don't know how I would handle it, other than just losing my mind and soul.

I know that I would not care what ppl on mssg boards said about me, that I know for sure. But to specualte about child porn rings or things like that is just ugly, I think, and adds nothing to any meaningful discussion.

Good to see you Daniel! :seeya: This board isn't any scarier than the political boards to me, maybe just less familiar to you?

ETA: I'm mostly speaking to you about your post on the last thread where you are telling Savannah that this board is "scary". (We're a bunch of pussycats. Rabid, but pussycats, lol)

[Regina.Lampert]

Hello, Regina! Hope you are well and that your new year is a happy, healthy and safe one!

From my window--and I have not followed this case at all--it seems that they just did not want to believe the truth and, perhaps, trying to help their daughter. I've seen that many times, where a parent (who still loved his/her child no matter what) tries to help.

I can see where they would threaten obstruction, if they did in fact do those things. Not that they will ever actually press those charges.

Trying to paint them as monsters, though, seems thin to me. I just don't know what I would do in their situations and pray I never have to find out. I have three grand-daughters (ages 18 mos and 6 mos) whom I love more than anything, more than I ever thought possible. I love my daughters with all my heart.

Were this to happen to my family, this tragedy, this loss, this pain, I truly don't know how I would handle it, other than just losing my mind and soul.

I know that I would not care what ppl on mssg boards said about me, that I know for sure. But to specualte about child porn rings or things like that is just ugly, I think, and adds nothing to any meaningful discussion.

Hope your holidays were terrific too Danny. There is nothing uglier then the facts of this case to me. What this defendant did to her little daughter is appalling. I truly hope they convict her of first degree murder and we don't ever hear from any of the anthonys again.

[happy2bme]

Your kid has been kidnapped, you are watching the kidnappers, they move your kid 9 times, yet you dont call LE so they can send a swat team, surround the kidnappers and remove the child.
What is wrong with this picture?


But you announce this to the whole world not to mention the supposed kidnappers??? Something BIG wrong with this picture.

[Narcissist71]

To the person that corrected me about the age from 3 to 2....that even supports what I'm saying even more, so thank you :)

[Barbara fl.]

I do not put any substance to the porno statements....I think it was just some uglyness that someone wants to add to this story that is already horrific....

If Casey was doing ANYTHING illegal she wouldn't have been so broke that she couldn't afford a gallon of gas...

I do not want to even think about how Caylee met her death...I am hoping she didn't realize what was happening and it was fast...I certainly do not want to entertain anyones sick thoughts right now.....JMO

[True2Blues]

The defense is probably hoping that they can find something that Dr. G. missed so they can say "neener neener" to the prosecution.. lol

Oh yes, anything that they can twist into whatever defense they they pursue.

[daniel green]

would you lie? That's the simple question and the answer the Anthonys gave was yes.

As I said, I don't know what I would do.

It is tough for me to visualize not loving my children, no matter what. At the same time, as I said above, I cannot imagine the pain and the rage if my child hurt another like that, especially my grand-daughters.

Whether or not the Anthony's lied doesn't change the fact that the baby was killed way before Mrs A called 911 and told them that her daughter's car smelled of death.

Nor does ugly speculation about child molestation or child porn rings make this any easier to understand or discuss.

[AJandTam]

I have been trying to figure out why the second autopsy.....It makes no sense to me at all.....What would they be looking for?

If someone has an idea or a reson please share it with me.....


Thank you....

I missed something Barb. Who is doing a second autopsy?
Thank you so much.

[Dunlurken]

Hope your holidays were terrific too Danny. There is nothing uglier then the facts of this case to me. What this defendant did to her little daughter is appalling. I truly hope they convict her of first degree murder and we don't ever hear from any of the anthonys again.
I truly hope that all avenues are discussed and debated so we don't have a hung jury. No stone left unturned IMO.

[playnice]

The good kidnapper kidnapped Caylee but she loved her.
Then those bad kidnappers came along and kidnapped Caylee from the good kidnapper.
I cant imagine they thought anyone would believe this story.

[True2Blues]

"Tried to get the tow yard guy to change his story" goes right over your head?

That's where the problem comes in for sure. Asking a question is one thing, trying to force someone to change their story is another.

[daniel green]

Hope your holidays were terrific too Danny. There is nothing uglier then the facts of this case to me. What this defendant did to her little daughter is appalling. I truly hope they convict her of first degree murder and we don't ever hear from any of the anthonys again.

Yes, Regina, I agree. I have not followed it, really, because it just hits so close to home with my precious grand-daughters.

I think that she will be convicted of first degree murder, no doubt about that.

[True2Blues]

I missed something Barb. Who is doing a second autopsy?
Thank you so much.

The Defense is having one done.

[Dunlurken]

"I always thought there was child porn involved too ,of course we don't know this yet "

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Re:above -

If you don't know it yet, then don't discuss it in a postive form and this includes "incest" w/brother and grandfather.

If and when it would come out in trial, that would be a differerent matter, until then it's ALL RUMORS & MESSAGE BOARD GOSSIP which Tru Tv does not condone.

Thanks CW for the reminder.

[daniel green]

"I always thought there was child porn involved too ,of course we don't know this yet "

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Re:above -

If you don't know it yet, then don't discuss it in a postive form and this includes "incest" w/brother and grandfather.

If and when it would come out in trial, that would be a differerent matter, until then it's ALL RUMORS & MESSAGE BOARD GOSSIP which Tru Tv does not condone.


Thank you very, very much, CW.

Much appreciated.

[rj1212]

Your kid has been kidnapped, you are watching the kidnappers, they move your kid 9 times, yet you dont call LE so they can send a swat team, surround the kidnappers and remove the child.
What is wrong with this picture?

mo...not only did it never happen, George Anthony was on the level of every single lying Anthony when I heard him spouting that ridiculous hooey...

This is just one of the reasons why I have no sympathy for the Anthony's because that kind of lying is insulting to any normal functioning human being. I'm having a hard time believing that George Anthony was in LE after he made statements like that...:mad:

[Narcissist71]

"Tried to get the tow yard guy to change his story" goes right over your head?

Did she offer him money?

Is there proof that she did anything illegal....I'd saying buying off a witness is illegal....talking to someone is not however...IMO

It doesn't go right over my head......

I think talking to someone and seeing if what they are saying is the truth and ask them to be truthful about what really occurred is getting someone to "change their story" then I don't see a problem.

Adding....I like how people try to phrase things to make them sound more nefarious then they are.

[happy2bme]

The good kidnapper kidnapped Caylee but she loved her.
Then those bad kidnappers came along and kidnapped Caylee from the good kidnapper.
I cant imagine they thought anyone would believe this story.


I can't imagine they thought anyone would believe any of their stories.

A body being placed in the trunk after it was towed ...that one really got to me.

[Barbara fl.]

A cause of death? or evidence of it being accidental.


But think about it...neither makes any sense....If they are going the route of "Zenaida" kidnapping Caylee and murdering her, the best would be to leave well enough alone....

If they are going the route of accidental death, their client would have to confess.....so either way it wouldn't help their defense....

I assume they are going to stick with the "Zenaida" theory...and if the ME put down homocide by undetermined means..That would be all the defense would need if they are taking that route....

Maybe I am missing something...but I do not see the sense to a second autopsy by the defense....

[Dunlurken]

Defense will not perform a second autopsy. No point. JMO.

[Barbara fl.]

"I always thought there was child porn involved too ,of course we don't know this yet "

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Re:above -

If you don't know it yet, then don't discuss it in a postive form and this includes "incest" w/brother and grandfather.

If and when it would come out in trial, that would be a differerent matter, until then it's ALL RUMORS & MESSAGE BOARD GOSSIP which Tru Tv does not condone.


Thank you also....I would prefer to put that to the very back of my mind unless it is brought up at trial....it's bad enough ....

[Barbara fl.]

I missed something Barb. Who is doing a second autopsy?
Thank you so much.



I heard on the media that the body was turned over to Cindy but the burial will not take place until the defense completes a second autopsy.....

It's what I heard...but I do not see the point at all....

[Narcissist71]

"I always thought there was child porn involved too ,of course we don't know this yet "

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Re:above -

If you don't know it yet, then don't discuss it in a postive form and this includes "incest" w/brother and grandfather.

If and when it would come out in trial, that would be a differerent matter, until then it's ALL RUMORS & MESSAGE BOARD GOSSIP which Tru Tv does not condone.

Thank you Coldwater.....

may I ask two questions while you are here.....in the past when it was CTV board, a Coldwater said that just because you say it is your opinion doesn't necessarily protect you as far as defamation? (I've link to other sites that relay that same idea when the topic has come up).........also if I want to report a post to you in the future, do I just click on the Red Triangle with the exclamation point inside next to the post number? Or is there another process to do it?

[Dunlurken]

Is Nancy Grace going to be a repeat show tonight, does anyone know? Need to set my TIVO ... or not.I was wondering the same thing too. Guess I'll just wait and watch it live.

JMO.

[AJandTam]

I heard on the media that the body was turned over to Cindy but the burial will not take place until the defense completes a second autopsy.....

It's what I heard...but I do not see the point at all....

Oh ok. I hope it's not baden doing the autospsy... Oh lawd

I did hear they weren't going to have the funeral until early next year..

[Barbara fl.]

Is Nancy Grace going to be a repeat show tonight, does anyone know? Need to set my TIVO ... or not.


I sure hope not...I know a few by heart now....

[Remy]

A cause of death? or evidence of it being accidental.

They only have bone and since there was no trauma to the bones at all (aside from possible animal activity) COD cannot be determined and time of death would still be an estimate based on insect evidence.

Now the evidence found with the body may tell it's own story but that is not part of an autopsy.

Also, toxicology tests on hair cannot only be linked to cause of death which is something that can be argued at trial.

For Cury on the last thread, bone marrow would not show toxicity unfortunately. Hair, fingernails are the only things remaining that can provide that link. imo,moo

[StillEG]

"I always thought there was child porn involved too ,of course we don't know this yet "

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Re:above -

If you don't know it yet, then don't discuss it in a postive form and this includes "incest" w/brother and grandfather.

If and when it would come out in trial, that would be a differerent matter, until then it's ALL RUMORS & MESSAGE BOARD GOSSIP which Tru Tv does not condone.



re: Casey/Lee incest. Since this statement came from an interviewed witness (claiming it was Casey's story) is that not allowed? We discuss A LOT of info from those doc dumps that are no more than the words of witnesses. They have not been verified and probably can't be until trial.

[Dunlurken]

Hair, fingernails are the only things remaining that can provide that link. imo,moo

snipping to address: Fingernails are left?

Okay, outta here peeps! Stay cool everyone. JMO.

[suzanne]

Is Nancy Grace going to be a repeat show tonight, does anyone know? Need to set my TIVO ... or not.

I don't know.I do follow Caylee's case on Nancy Grace.May I please ask I know they have a Nancy Grace thread every night on another board.Do they have one here or be be willing to start one.

[Anakerie]

I can't imagine they thought anyone would believe any of their stories.

A body being placed in the trunk after it was towed ...that one really got to me.
Don't forget that the mysterious body in the trunk while at the tow yard disappeared before the Anthony's went to pick up the car. :blink:

[*MoonRider*]

I was trying to quote LandShark when the thread was closed. From Day 1 (Day 31) did the Anthony's ever plead for the safe return of Caylee. Nor did they ever make public Casey's direct quotes from jail.

[daniel green]

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Maybe I am missing something...but I do not see the sense to a second autopsy by the defense....

The way it makes sense is to allege that the baby, may she RIP, died accidentally.

There is no way that the defense will be anything other than that--certainly not anything to do with the patently false and disproved immediately stories about a nanny, etc. Those options are gone.

Try to get 2d degree instead of 1st is all they have to work with now.

[Lavenia]

mo...not only did it never happen, George Anthony was on the level of every single lying Anthony when I heard him spouting that ridiculous hooey...

This is just one of the reasons why I have no sympathy for the Anthony's because that kind of lying is insulting to any normal functioning human being. I'm having a hard time believing that George Anthony was in LE after he made statements like that...:mad:

HOWEVER, that makes me wonder if they (the Ants) weren't being victimized by KFN or someone along those lines. Great way to keep a grieving grandparent on the hook by telling them your PI has all this info, "just wait a little bit longer, a little bit longer, a little bit longer". I think the opportunists came out of the woodwork...

[Dunlurken]

re: Casey/Lee incest. Since this statement came from an interviewed witness (claiming it was Casey's story) is that not allowed? We discuss A LOT of info from those doc dumps that are no more than the words of witnesses. They have not been verified and probably can't be until trial.

Send CW the link and see what she says. I highly doubt it though. When she says no, she means no. Or she will spank you.
Later!

[Katprint]

I missed something Barb. Who is doing a second autopsy?
Thank you so much.
The defense is doing its own medical examination of Caylee's remains. One reason why they might choose to do this is to confirm/refute the conclusion of the coroner's examination. For example, if the hyoid bone (in the neck) was fractured or displaced, that might indicate that Caylee had died from strangulation. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/665804.cms A defense attorney might bring a finding like this to the attention of the coroner in hopes of getting the caused changed from homicide by unknown mechanism to homicide by strangulation, which would mean that death did NOT result from chloroform poisoning and thus the evidence of chloroform searches on the computer and high chloroform levels in Casey's car trunk would become legally irrelevant and thus inadmissible. OTOH the neck breaking searches on the computer might assume greater relevance in the jury's mind and it might be better for the actual cause of death to remain undetermined. This is the type of strategic decision a defense attorney makes, then every trialwatcher second guesses those decisions.

Katprint
Who has hired dozens if not hundreds of medical experts to perform
Independent Medical Examinations of fraudulent plaintiffs
Always only my own opinions

[jakee]

I was trying to quote LandShark when the thread was closed. From Day 1 (Day 31) did the Anthony's ever plead for the safe return of Caylee. Nor did they ever make public Casey's direct quotes from jail.


I was wondering why they didn't read Casey's statements to the media. I just can't think of a reason why they chose not to, at least I have never heard them read the statement. :confused:

[*MoonRider*]

Don't forget that the mysterious body in the trunk while at the tow yard disappeared before the Anthony's went to pick up the car. :blink:

Here's an early interview of Cindy saying that should check the security at the towyard because someone could have put a body in there. It's towards the end. It's kind of interesting to watch now that we know where Caylee was found. http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

[StillEG]

The way it makes sense is to say that the baby, may she RIP, died accidentally.

There is no way that the defense will be anything other than that--certainly not anything to do with the patently false and disproved immediately stories about a nanny, etc. Those options are gone.

Try to get 2d degree instead of 1st is all they have to work with now.

The defense is asking for the second autopsy, not the prosecution. They absolutely don't have to drop to 2nd degree at this point. casey stuck with the 'nanny' story and if it's proved that SHE put the body there after causing her death, she can certainly be convicted of 1st degree murder.

Plus, those pesky searches for chloroform and neck breaking on the net are going to help establish premeditation. Oh, and the dead squirrel story, yeah, that's not gonna help

JMO

[Narcissist71]

Don't forget that the mysterious body in the trunk while at the tow yard disappeared before the Anthony's went to pick up the car. :blink:

Not sure how that particular impound lot works

but when a friend of mine had his car towed......they let me in to get my belongings out of the car.

But I'd imagine that each impound lot is different or there is state law to govern such....but I was allowed to get my softball glove, and golf clubs out of the trunk.

[AJandTam]

Early next year begins on Friday. Friday doesn't sound as far into the future as next year does.

LOL.. Yes, I know. I have had a rough day... you must be in my head or something. I was just trying to figure out what day of the week it is.. (don't laugh), but I do know NYE and the new year rolls in at midnight this week.. Thurs I believe is the first day of the year... (no, I didn't have to go look it up, LOL... )

[happygert]

Yes I think talking to individuals.....tow yard guy or anyone is fine......

even during an investigation......

My mother and Aunt did it during a case against a cousin of mine......They were trying to figure out what was going on......when talking to one of the "witnesses".....the witness told them that the Police had told her that if she testified to seeing him that she would be doing him a favor because he was headed down the wrong path and nobody in his family cared about him.....

I don't know but having family do what the Defense Attorney wouldn't do....isn't a family not caring.

I also don't agree that being a member of the Navy and training to be a firefighter is going down the wrong path.

I'd think that would be left up to Attorneys. They may consider that as witness tampering.

[Lavenia]

We usually just post our thoughts and feelings about the show while the show is airing. It's fun that way, because sometimes we all hit on something a guest might say and be like OMG I can't believe he said that, or did I just hear right....stuff like that. Nothing special, and I don't think there would be a need for a special Nancy thread being that we know stuff before she does alot of the time. But that's just me. I'm nobody.

You are Too Somebody! You're our January!:thumbsup:

You're right about our NG habits. We all get together in our jammies and dish NG and all her guests. The occasional pillow fight breaks out and a good time is had by all.

[*MoonRider*]

HOWEVER, that makes me wonder if they (the Ants) weren't being victimized by KFN or someone along those lines. Great way to keep a grieving grandparent on the hook by telling them your PI has all this info, "just wait a little bit longer, a little bit longer, a little bit longer". I think the opportunists came out of the woodwork...

ITA with you Lavenia. I think the Milstead's are evil people who prey on people just like the Anthony's. When George was on the Today Show at the end of the interview he made sure to plug Kid Finders but never pleaded for Caylee's safe return. :confused:

[playnice]

HOWEVER, that makes me wonder if they (the Ants) weren't being victimized by KFN or someone along those lines. Great way to keep a grieving grandparent on the hook by telling them your PI has all this info, "just wait a little bit longer, a little bit longer, a little bit longer". I think the opportunists came out of the woodwork...

That thought crossed my mind when Michelle issued a statement when the body was found that Anthonys believed Caylee was still alive. The thought crossed my mind that KF was trying to squeeze another nickel into the bucket while they could.

[MiamiNice1]

I just don't have a problem with a second person doing an autopsy, to assure nothing was missed or overlooked. I definately don't believe it is an excuse to not lay this child to rest.

Regarding a second autopsy: IIRC, The other night on Nancy Grace, she asked Dr. Perper about this. Dr. Perper said (paraphrased) that it would be basically unproductive/unnecessary to do a second autopsy, as there is nothing to be retrieved - no tissue, no trauma to the skeleton.....just bones. :sad:

imo

[Pretty Leaf]

What I found interesting on LKL George had a real problem speaking about the case. Cindy sat there holding his hand and did most of the speaking. I think as a trained police officer he couldn't vocalize like Cindy could about their "story".

[StillEG]

Send CW the link and see what she says. I highly doubt it though. When she says no, she means no. Or she will spank you.
Later!

Dunnie, I've been around the block a year or five here. My question pertains really TO ALL information reported by witnesses in the doc dumps. If we can't discuss both Tony and Jesse stating that Casey told them this story, then there are a lot of 'stories' we shouldn't be discussing.

Bye.

[happygert]

The defense is asking for the second autopsy, not the prosecution. They absolutely don't have to drop to 2nd degree at this point. casey stuck with the 'nanny' story and if it's proved that SHE put the body there after causing her death, she can certainly be convicted of 1st degree murder.

Plus, those pesky searches for chloroform and neck breaking on the net are going to help establish premeditation. Oh, and the dead squirrel story, yeah, that's not gonna help

JMO

Still trying to figure out how dead squirrels crawl......roflmao.:lol:

[Lavenia]

Are funerals not allowed on holidays?

Only the: No Funeral No-How, No-Way Day Holiday. :tonguewag:

[AJandTam]

The defense is doing its own medical examination of Caylee's remains. One reason why they might choose to do this is to confirm/refute the conclusion of the coroner's examination. For example, if the hyoid bone (in the neck) was fractured or displaced, that might indicate that Caylee had died from strangulation. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/665804.cms A defense attorney might bring a finding like this to the attention of the coroner in hopes of getting the caused changed from homicide by unknown mechanism to homicide by strangulation, which would mean that death did NOT result from chloroform poisoning and thus the evidence of chloroform searches on the computer and high chloroform levels in Casey's car trunk would become legally irrelevant and thus inadmissible. OTOH the neck breaking searches on the computer might assume greater relevance in the jury's mind and it might be better for the actual cause of death to remain undetermined. This is the type of strategic decision a defense attorney makes, then every trialwatcher second guesses those decisions.

Katprint
Who has hired dozens if not hundreds of medical experts to perform
Independent Medical Examinations of fraudulent plaintiffs
Always only my own opinions

Hi Kat.. Thanks. Wish you were here the other day when I had some legal questions.. I called out for ya at least 3 x's.. Now if I can just remember the questions.

[StillEG]

If the neck was broken or chloroform was used, otherwise the searches prove nothing.

JMO

I disagree. It is indicative of her state of mind and eventual intentions. Even if she chose another method for her madness.

[*MoonRider*]

Yeah, that was a good one. Did anyone happen to see the youtube that someone posted two or three days ago called "Cindy revisited" where she is in the front yard ham mering down No Trespass signs on her lawn and she says that she thought that someone had put a dead body in the trunk at the "tow yard" as she calls it, and then took it out? I spit my soda all over the keyboard when she said that, then the reporter goes "highly unlikely, Cindy...:rolleyes:"

I just posted the raw video above.

[Narcissist71]

I'd think that would be left up to Attorneys. They may consider that as witness tampering.

I'd say paying off, blackmailing, threatening, and some other things to be witness tampering.....

I don't think talking to a witness rises to the level of witness tampering....doubt any Attorney feels that way either, since they communicate with witnesses all the time.

JMO ;)

[clannad]

Are funerals not allowed on holidays?


My husband is a funeral director in NJ, viewings are typically not held on Holidays.

[MiamiNice1]

I think the defense is doing their job, by not simply accepting the states medical examiner word as fact, especially in light of her findings being her opinion only. Someone else may have a different opinion.
I agree. I don't begrudge the defense wanting to confirm or arrive at their own conclusions.

[Remy]

snipping to address: Fingernails are left?

Okay, outta here peeps! Stay cool everyone. JMO.

Sorry, I was speculating on finger nails. I also meant to say that the toxicology results of the hair can only be a contributing factor to the death if there is any substance found. moo

[Anakerie]

Yeah, that was a good one. Did anyone happen to see the youtube that someone posted two or three days ago called "Cindy revisited" where she is in the front yard ham mering down No Trespass signs on her lawn and she says that she thought that someone had put a dead body in the trunk at the "tow yard" as she calls it, and then took it out? I spit my soda all over the keyboard when she said that, then the reporter goes "highly unlikely, Cindy...:rolleyes:"
So many "highly unlikely" stories have come from the Anthony's. I once tried to list them out, thinking to put the list on my blog... lol, I gave up because I kept getting the stories mixed up... How on earth did they manage to keep so many tales going?

[enigma]

Don't forget that the mysterious body in the trunk while at the tow yard disappeared before the Anthony's went to pick up the car. :blink:

Who could forget that particular journey into the realm of fantasy?

Like someone put A body there, just ANY old body that happened to be laying about doing nothing, in order to stink up the car really well, then as soon as it was deemed to be ripe enough, the body was removed and... :shrug: put back where it came from, maybe?

All just so that the snow-driven mother of the year would be unfairly targeted for the death of her "missing" daughter... :rolleyes:

Donnie and van, move over - you've been trumped, but good!


JMHO

[Anakerie]

But what if law enforcement missed some evidence?

Maybe Henry Lee could find whatever was missed.
And he could package it up in a post-it note and then "lose" it!

[Elle]

I was wondering why they didn't read Casey's statements to the media. I just can't think of a reason why they chose not to, at least I have never heard them read the statement. :confused:

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/26/earlyshow/main4296624.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4296624

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'

[Narcissist71]

Laterz....take care, be safe....ttyl

[happygert]

Are funerals not allowed on holidays?

Where I'm from they dont do funerals on Holidays. or Sundays. The reason no funerals on Holidays or Sundays is because of the grave diggers. They Do not work those days. However some Funeral Homes will do visitations on Sundays.

[Remy]

I just don't have a problem with a second person doing an autopsy, to assure nothing was missed or overlooked. I definately don't believe it is an excuse to not lay this child to rest.

I never said it was an excuse to delay a funeral or that I had a problem with a second autopsy I was just explaining that determining a COD from bones when there is no evidence of trauma isn't likely and this is all jmo.

[StillEG]

Still trying to figure out how dead squirrels crawl......roflmao.:lol:

Yeah, lol, well she's obviously not the longest fry in the happy meal.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I think the defense is doing their job, by not simply accepting the states medical examiner word as fact, especially in light of her findings being her opinion only. Someone else may have a different opinion.

Well now, this the "Understatement of the DAY".. Their job is to attempt to either discredit the evidence, witnesses not to mention Expert Opinions that are not favourable to the defense!..LOL

LMS:blink:

[Katprint]

I wonder why Baez & Co. don't want to investigate the area where Caylee's remains were found.

Might it have to do with Henry Lee being a part of the 'Nightmare' team?
IIRC Henry Lee was officially judicially determined to have lost/destroyed evidence in the Spector case. Once an issue has been determined by a judge, principles of res judicata (literally, "the thing has been determined") and collateral estoppel preclude relitigation of that same issue. The Florida trial court would properly take judicial notice of the California trial court's determination that Henry Lee lost/destroyed evidence if Henry Lee was called to testify, and the jury would be informed of this conclusive determination. If the defense team tries to indirectly complain (through the wording of questions directed to expert witnesses) that they were not permitted to have Henry Lee at the crime scene(s) when law enforcement was conducting its evidence collection, the prosecution would properly be permitted to introduce Henry Lee's prior conduct as motive to exclude him i.e. to prevent him from tampering with potential evidence.

I've only met Dr. Lee one single time about 20 years ago, but I immediately liked him on a personal level. He is pleasant and charming. However, on a professional level, I think he has made some poor choices which significantly affected both his credibility and his career.

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[steffaroob4]

Caylee Anthony Case Update: Reward for the Meter Reader? (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

[suzanne]

We usually just post our thoughts and feelings about the show while the show is airing. It's fun that way, because sometimes we all hit on something a guest might say and be like OMG I can't believe he said that, or did I just hear right....stuff like that. Nothing special, and I don't think there would be a need for a special Nancy thread being that we know stuff before she does alot of the time. But that's just me. I'm nobody.

Oh.no.your not a nobody.You seem pretty nice.Thankyou for helping me.

[jakee]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/26/earlyshow/main4296624.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4296624

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'

Thank you! I guess I did miss that. Again, thanks for the link.

[Lavenia]

I'd say paying off, blackmailing, threatening, and some other things to be witness tampering.....

I don't think talking to a witness rises to the level of witness tampering....doubt any Attorney feels that way either, since they communicate with witnesses all the time.

JMO ;)

Intimidation of a witness can take many forms. Just showing up and being emotional can be a form of intimidation to some witnesses IMO. Once something gets to this point, your best course of action to avoid any appearance of impropriety, is to let LE and your attorney, if you have one, take the reins.

[Katprint]

Hi Kat.. Thanks. Wish you were here the other day when I had some legal questions.. I called out for ya at least 3 x's.. Now if I can just remember the questions.
I was banned for a couple days, for responding to Baez' claim that Casey spends her days in her cell reading the bible and praying by suggesting that God should strike pretend-pious Casey with lightning for her lies. Sorry I wasn't here when you needed me.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Elle]

Thank you! I guess I did miss that. Again, thanks for the link.


Your very welcome:smile:

[101Spots]

We usually just post our thoughts and feelings about the show while the show is airing. It's fun that way, because sometimes we all hit on something a guest might say and be like OMG I can't believe he said that, or did I just hear right....stuff like that. Nothing special, and I don't think there would be a need for a special Nancy thread being that we know stuff before she does alot of the time. But that's just me. I'm nobody.

I'm nobody! Who are you?
Are you nobody, too?
Then there's a pair of us — don't tell!
They'd banish us, you know.

How dreary to be somebody!
How public, like a frog
To tell your name the livelong day
To an admiring bog!

---Emily Dickinson:biggrin:

[clannad]

A funeral home does not close on weekends or holidays from everything i've heard and read.

No, you're right, they do not close on weekdays and holidays. Someone will be there to make arrangements and there are viewings and burials on Saturday. They "typically" do not have "viewings" on Sundays and or Holidays. Cemetaries are closed Sundays and Holidays in NJ, so there would be no burial on those days.

[AJandTam]

IIRC Henry Lee was officially judicially determined to have lost/destroyed evidence in the Spector case. Once an issue has been determined by a judge, principles of res judicata (literally, "the thing has been determined") and collateral estoppel preclude relitigation of that same issue. The Florida trial court would properly take judicial notice of the California trial court's determination that Henry Lee lost/destroyed evidence if Henry Lee was called to testify, and the jury would be informed of this conclusive determination. If the defense team tries to indirectly complain (through the wording of questions directed to expert witnesses) that they were not permitted to have Henry Lee at the crime scene(s) when law enforcement was conducting its evidence collection, the prosecution would properly be permitted to introduce Henry Lee's prior conduct as motive to exclude him i.e. to prevent him from tampering with potential evidence.

I've only met Dr. Lee one single time about 20 years ago, but I immediately liked him on a personal level. He is pleasant and charming. However, on a professional level, I think he has made some poor choices which significantly affected both his credibility and his career.

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

That would be an interesting twist of events.

[steffaroob4]

Caylee Anthony Case Update: Reward for the Meter Reader? (http://gretawire.foxnews.com/)

Did you catch the poll link (http://anniewonders.wordpress.com/) on the Greta blog??

[MalloryCat]

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does.:rolleyes:

[trich]

I have been trying to figure out why the second autopsy.....It makes no sense to me at all.....What would they be looking for?

If someone has an idea or a reson please share it with me.....


Thank you....


IMO it is all smoke and mirrors from the defense.
If they can find someone who would disagree with one thing
as to the results of the autopsy by the ME then they can suggest
that everything else the ME did was false.

[*MoonRider*]

What does that mean?

They 'suspended' the driving of mobile billboards with Caylee's photo?

Kid Finders has never had a 'search' to suspend.

Ever.

I personally would like an investigation into that organization. JMO

[breezie]

I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does.:rolleyes:


LOL! Katprint IS a defense attorney.

[happygert]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/26/earlyshow/main4296624.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4296624

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'

Just watched that interview they didnt say one word from what I seen about the statement.

[steffaroob4]

Hey Steff- post the same poll here and see what you get.

Lol, I wish I could, last time I tried to make a poll I screwed it up.

Do you like Leonard Padilla"s appearances on Nancy Grace?
Yes, give me more 25%
No, I have seen enough from him 63%
I don"t care 13%

[AJandTam]

I was banned for a couple days, for responding to Baez' claim that Casey spends her days in her cell reading the bible and praying by suggesting that God should strike pretend-pious Casey with lightning for her lies. Sorry I wasn't here when you needed me.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I study the darkness in human nature. Law is not my thing.. Thanks for being on hand when you can. Geraldo got me into trouble. I try to be good. Honest I do..

[runnnempty]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

[MalloryCat]

Ha!

That would be one bad guess right there.

Yep, whatever, I cant even fathom a Lawyer even asking that question, but to each their own.

When do you think the OCSD and FBI are going to arrest the Anthonys for any crimes?

[Katt2]

I was wondering why they didn't read Casey's statements to the media. I just can't think of a reason why they chose not to, at least I have never heard them read the statement. :confused:

Well I would not have read what she said either. She said to tell Zany she forgives her? Suppose this had been a true scenario and she is telling the kidnapper she forgives her when she doesn't have a clue as to the well-being of her child? And she tells Caylee who is just turning 3 to stay strong??

[Lavenia]

IIRC Henry Lee was officially judicially determined to have lost/destroyed evidence in the Spector case. Once an issue has been determined by a judge, principles of res judicata (literally, "the thing has been determined") and collateral estoppel preclude relitigation of that same issue. The Florida trial court would properly take judicial notice of the California trial court's determination that Henry Lee lost/destroyed evidence if Henry Lee was called to testify, and the jury would be informed of this conclusive determination. If the defense team tries to indirectly complain (through the wording of questions directed to expert witnesses) that they were not permitted to have Henry Lee at the crime scene(s) when law enforcement was conducting its evidence collection, the prosecution would properly be permitted to introduce Henry Lee's prior conduct as motive to exclude him i.e. to prevent him from tampering with potential evidence.

I've only met Dr. Lee one single time about 20 years ago, but I immediately liked him on a personal level. He is pleasant and charming. However, on a professional level, I think he has made some poor choices which significantly affected both his credibility and his career.

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Is this possible? What kind of PR would this be (not to us but to the peeps who need a Defense)? What would this do for an appeals process, etc. This boggles my mind but delights the hell out of me.

[Lyndawitha"Y]

I guess you could consider that part of their job.


Hello..Of course its their job..and I do believe most here get that..I was recognizing your need to educate..TY so much for enlightening those that dont undestand Defense Attourney's job..Surely is appreciated...then of course you can add to that, they try their hardest to midigate the damages when their client is guilty too..such as plea bargains, or lesser degrees..just a thought there.:wink: Also most defense attourney's do not get on TV talkshows to attempt to alter the information out there ..hummm??I guess Baez missed that course during studies!! He assured the public would know the truth when this goes to trial..and that Caylee is alive..assuredly..Whoops, body found, Caylee is skelatonized just down the street from Gramma and Grampa..Yikes..

Can ya tell? Im not impressed with Mr. Baez's performances thus far, hopefully the DREAM TEAM can straighten him out!!

LMS:w00t:.

[breezie]

Yep, whatever, I cant even fathom a Lawyer even asking that question, but to each their own.

When do you think the OCSD and FBI are going to arrest the Anthonys for any crimes?

I agree her post was a little complex for you.

Not soon enough!

[*MoonRider*]

Just watched that interview they didnt say one word from what I seen about the statement.

I stand corrected. That was the first time I saw it.

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'

[joolz]

I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does.:rolleyes:


That was a joke, right?

[clannad]

Jews routinely bury their dead on Sundays, if the person died on Friday or Saturday.

Jews may not be buried on Saturdays.

That is true

[steffaroob4]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

Isn't that interesting... I seem to recall PI's not having a client privledge in FL from another case, does any recall that?

[AJandTam]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

Now this is my question for Kat.

This talk about the A's in this article. Are they saying in a round about way, the A's got immunity?

[happy2bme]

Ha!

That would be one bad guess right there.


rofl:D

gee...I sure have missed you guys!

[StillEG]

I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does.:rolleyes:
I think this is called 'foot in mouth disease'

[bchand]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

From that link:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez has filed a new motion Monday.

He is afraid detectives are trying to get privileged information about the case from a private detective who used to work for his defense team, so he's asking a judge to intervene.

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

and

Anthonys Expected To Be Candid With Investigators Regarding Casey

The Anthonys face the wrenching task of burying Caylee early in the New Year, but then, sources tell said, George, Cindy and Lee Anthony will be asked to play a pivotal role in holding Casey Anthony accountable or else.

As one investigator put it, "They're going to be asked to help convict her."

If the Anthonys are not candid and truthful, sources said, it may come to obstruction of justice charges against one or more of them.

[bchand]

I think this is called 'foot in mouth disease'

Happens alot EG.

[*MoonRider*]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

At least that clears up the special master. I was surprised to see that NeJame made $5,000 from the Anthony's. I thought he said he wasn't paid :confused:

[happy2bme]

That poor woman ........who can sit and watch these videos of Cindy and see her so upset and watch " YES " the maggots ,leeches and parasites that the media are as well as the gawkers at their house as she is so out of breath ,obviosuly running on pure adreniline at this point and make fun of her .....WHO ?????


I feel nothing but empathy for her and the feelings she was going through , it is deploarable that they treated her this way , not an ounce of respect for her crazy emotions , its sickening !


That family held it together the best they could and I give them credit for how they composed themselves , much better then alot of people would have ,I'll bet on that .


Mind-boggling:blink::blink::huh:

[runnnempty]

this time???

why would they start now? :cursing:

Maybe they'll take back the great mom stuff.:thumbdown:

[Lavenia]

From that link:

ORLANDO, Fla. -- Casey Anthony's lawyer Jose Baez has filed a new motion Monday.

He is afraid detectives are trying to get privileged information about the case from a private detective who used to work for his defense team, so he's asking a judge to intervene.

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

and

[SNIP
.[/B]


So THAT'S the special master mystery! (Hey Bet!)

[Regina.Lampert]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html


LOL, baez wants a Special Master?? Seems to me that any reputable investigator would be precluded from divulging any "work product" to the Prosecution. Looks like baez doesn't trust his own investigator to me. :biggrin:

[Lavenia]

LOL, baez wants a Special Master?? Seems to me that any reputable investigator would be precluded from divulging any "work product" to the Prosecution. Looks like baez doesn't trust his own investigator to me. :biggrin:

Seems like the apple might not have fallen far from the tree in that instance either, lol.

[steffaroob4]

I don't recall the case you speak of but I don't see how a PI would have 'client privilege' unless it is in the contract. Its not like Baez is the PI's attorney is it?

Baez & Co. Always out to amaze.

I seem to recall it was murder case where the suspect hired a PI to locate his wife, PI gave info to suspect on wife's location and PI testified about it in court.

I don't think this is a fight Baez will win.

[*MoonRider*]

Seems like the apple might not have fallen far from the tree in that instance either, lol.

Cindy used that exact quote in one of her FBI interviews when she said that she was Casey's role model. She gushed about how great a mother Casey was and she learned it from her. MOO :laugh:

[*MoonRider*]

Jesse Grund also called her a great mom. Do you think they should charge him with lying also?

Jesse said she wasn't the same person he used to know. IIRC Jesse took a lie detector test and the Anthony's didn't. JMO

[AJandTam]

I didn't have my glasses on but watched again, and noticed CA didn't have her wedding ring on her ring finger, she had a ring on her middle finger. She's so hateful in that video. JMO

She is hateful in that video.. So far we've seen everyone in that imediate family have a meltdown but Casey. Go figure!

As for the wedding ring. I have to wear mine on my middle finger it doesn't seem to fit right now. When I get really stressed, I lose weight... and then my rings don't fit.. I fluctuate about 5-10 lbs when I get stressed out. It's on the middle finger now.. or it would fly across the room on me if I move wrong.

[breezie]

There are different ways of searching for something, one is getting information in front of as many people as possilbe of the missing person so that they can look also, thats what KFN does.

JMO

And they buy product from their for profit companies. Kind of creating a business for themselves, eh? Just funneling it through the non-profit, seems to me. What good is a billboard with a wrong number on it?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Baez Files Motion About Investigator In Casey Case

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

The private eye is a familiar face to insiders. He's Dominic Casey, who early on worked for Baez. Then in October, George and Cindy Anthony hired him to follow up on live sightings of Caylee Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

[happy2bme]

There are different ways of searching for something, one is getting information in front of as many people as possilbe of the missing person so that they can look also, thats what KFN does.

JMO


Their website is in bad need of being updated...

[dvsone]

I do not put any substance to the porno statements....I think it was just some uglyness that someone wants to add to this story that is already horrific....

If Casey was doing ANYTHING illegal she wouldn't have been so broke that she couldn't afford a gallon of gas...

I do not want to even think about how Caylee met her death...I am hoping she didn't realize what was happening and it was fast...I certainly do not want to entertain anyones sick thoughts right now.....JMO
These rumors of porn and child porn and Lee being the dad and other such nonsense is just that.... this is the world of the internet, and if there were one piece of tape of that girl doing anything (Casey) it would have hit the net faster than you can flick a light switch. People in that industry usually dont want for anything, because they are working (for their keepers) and high so they need nothing... much less go roaming from man to man and friend to friend aimlessly, since they are carefully watched. There are some very heartless people in that industry, which usually includes drugs, prostitution rings, human trafficking et al. They would have "leaked" it to make a buck. Just the reality of the times we live in.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 Live Covering Caylee Next

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

[Lavenia]

Exactly.

Kid Finders doesn't search. Ever.

They give others the information they need so they can search. Same as a missing person's poster does.

Seems like a pretty good racket they got going on.

AND doesn't provide a working number IF someone DID have a tip. A bunch of opportunists preying on the weakest of the weak, IMO. They are who I'd like to see strung up on charges ASAP!

[happy2bme]

Cindy used that exact quote in one of her FBI interviews when she said that she was Casey's role model. She gushed about how great a mother Casey was and she learned it from her. MOO :laugh:


Hmmmm...wonder if she thinks that now?

[Regina.Lampert]

Maybe Baez & Co.'s choice of investigator isn't reputable. ;)

:tongueside: I think the prosecution can and will ask the investigator which leads he followed to an "alive" Caylee IF ANY and if and when he was asked to stop looking into leads.

[steffaroob4]

Baez Files Motion About Investigator In Casey Case

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

The private eye is a familiar face to insiders. He's Dominic Casey, who early on worked for Baez. Then in October, George and Cindy Anthony hired him to follow up on live sightings of Caylee Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

I wonder what LE wants to talk with PI about? Could this be more about the GPs than casey?

[Barbara fl.]

The way it makes sense is to allege that the baby, may she RIP, died accidentally.

There is no way that the defense will be anything other than that--certainly not anything to do with the patently false and disproved immediately stories about a nanny, etc. Those options are gone.

Try to get 2d degree instead of 1st is all they have to work with now.


But the state has already withdrew that offer, she can no longer say accidental...she has to go to trial...

And do you really think that the dream team will even allow her to change to accidnetal at this point if they could....They are all trial lawyers...that is their specialty...to claims accidental at this stage will be to admit that Caylee dies at her hands...and without a determination of death...there is just no way they would succeed at that.....JMO

[enigma]

I think the defense is doing their job, by not simply accepting the states medical examiner word as fact, especially in light of her findings being her opinion only. Someone else may have a different opinion.

It's more than likely that the defense will have a different opinion, but will it be one based on fact?

In the absence of soft tissue, and as the appearance of the bones doesn't indicate trauma before death, it could almost be concluded that the body suffered a natural death, since there is no way of scientifically proving otherwise. But is it likely?

Also, while the remains may not indicate a clear cause of death, they certainly give an accurate indication of the time of death (I don't mean to the minute or the hour, but quite possibly to the day), which taken together with all that is known in this case, can tell a whole story.

The defense might add it all up and try to prove that 2+2=0, and declare that is their opinion, but I don't think they could argue with any success that it's an opinion based on fact...

JMHO, of course...

[happygert]

Jews routinely bury their dead on Sundays, if the person died on Friday or Saturday.

Jews may not be buried on Saturdays.

Im not Jewish so all I can tell you about is the ones around here that I know.

[Loves2Read]

There are different ways of searching for something, one is getting information in front of as many people as possilbe of the missing person so that they can look also, thats what KFN does.

JMO

That dog just won't hunt. The media had Caylee's face out there way more than KFN ever did.

I had never heard from any source that KFN was really out there helping find a child.

If you really want to argue this point effectively; I think you need to find someone who says that KFN really helped them.... besides those who actually work for KFN that is.....IMO

[jakee]

Baez Files Motion About Investigator In Casey Case

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

The private eye is a familiar face to insiders. He's Dominic Casey, who early on worked for Baez. Then in October, George and Cindy Anthony hired him to follow up on live sightings of Caylee Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html


Special master? Sorry, but I have never heard this term used in law cases before.

[*MoonRider*]

Maybe Baez & Co.'s choice of investigator isn't reputable. ;)

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did he ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm

[Barbara fl.]

IMO it is all smoke and mirrors from the defense.
If they can find someone who would disagree with one thing
as to the results of the autopsy by the ME then they can suggest
that everything else the ME did was false.


That is the most logical explanation for this second autopsy....because nothing else makes any sense to me....I thought I was missing something.....it would serve no purpose other then just to prove someone else wrong....but also, in proving anyone wrong would be opening another can of worms for the defense....I don't know....maybe NG will ask one of the forensics tonight...I would love to hear their response....

[Lavenia]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did her ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm

A lot of prison inmates (especially females) are trained to man call centers... :laugh: Just saying maybe Casey has a job already...

[irishkitty24]

LOL, baez wants a Special Master?? Seems to me that any reputable investigator would be precluded from divulging any "work product" to the Prosecution. Looks like baez doesn't trust his own investigator to me. :biggrin:

Would it be precluded if he knows CAsey or family did something criminal? I mean, he is not a lawye or a priest.

[Neffy]

IIRC Henry Lee was officially judicially determined to have lost/destroyed evidence in the Spector case. Once an issue has been determined by a judge, principles of res judicata (literally, "the thing has been determined") and collateral estoppel preclude relitigation of that same issue. The Florida trial court would properly take judicial notice of the California trial court's determination that Henry Lee lost/destroyed evidence if Henry Lee was called to testify, and the jury would be informed of this conclusive determination. If the defense team tries to indirectly complain (through the wording of questions directed to expert witnesses) that they were not permitted to have Henry Lee at the crime scene(s) when law enforcement was conducting its evidence collection, the prosecution would properly be permitted to introduce Henry Lee's prior conduct as motive to exclude him i.e. to prevent him from tampering with potential evidence.

I've only met Dr. Lee one single time about 20 years ago, but I immediately liked him on a personal level. He is pleasant and charming. However, on a professional level, I think he has made some poor choices which significantly affected both his credibility and his career.

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Excellent post and most interesting view. TY

[Barbara fl.]

I personally would like an investigation into that organization. JMO


I'm surprise that there hasn't been one yet......This case has exposed all the fraud around some of these organizations...they make it bad for the ones that really do want to help.

[joolz]

A lot of prison inmates (especially females) are trained to man call centers... :laugh: Just saying maybe Casey has a job already...

I'm sure the prison will put Casey to work doing a job that demands much more skill than merely answering phones. You know, a job that is commensurate with her work experience. :biggrin:

[Barbara fl.]

I think this is called 'foot in mouth disease'



I like that....:lol:

[Loves2Read]

A lot of prison inmates (especially females) are trained to man call centers... :laugh: Just saying maybe Casey has a job already...

Although I find that thought funny, they don't start getting prison jobs until after conviction. She's only in county jail right now.

[Lavenia]

Although I find that thought funny, they don't start getting prison jobs until after conviction. She's only in county jail right now.


I know, 'twas just a fantasy. :wink:

[*MoonRider*]

Fox 35 Live Covering Caylee Next

http://media.myfoxorlando.com/live/live5pm6pm.html

It seems Brad Conway is drinking the Kool-Aid IMO

[happy2bme]

True that.

The fact remains... the name of their 'organization' is Kid Finders yet they have never searched for any missing children & they have never found any missing children.

In fact, Kid Finders has absolutely zero statistics regarding their... um... 'success' rate.

Why?

Because they've never been successful in finding anyone.

I may be wrong here but didn't Jennifer Keese's family have her picture removed from KFN?

[Lavenia]

I'm sure the prison will put Casey to work doing a job that demands much more skill than merely answering phones. You know, a job that is commensurate with her work experience. :biggrin:

Well they DO have toilets...:thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

I may be wrong here but didn't Jennifer Keese's family have her picture removed from KFN?

That's my understanding also.

[Loves2Read]

Don't want to mention names but you might ask the father of the 2 year old boy that went missing from Leesburg on 8/27/06 if he was glad that they tried to help.

JMO

I would love to see the link where that father is saying positive things about KFN. That would literally be a first. TIA

[*MoonRider*]

Don't want to mention names but you might ask the father of the 2 year old boy that went missing from Leesburg on 8/27/06 if he was glad that they tried to help.

JMO

IIRC in one of the jailhouse interviews they mentioned how this person told them how to manipulate. JMO

[AMS]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did he ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm


Has anyone seen the phone # advertised for this tip-line?

[AMS]

It seems Brad Conway is drinking the Kool-Aid IMO


What did he say?

[Ladyhawk]

That dog just won't hunt. The media had Caylee's face out there way more than KFN ever did.

I had never heard from any source that KFN was really out there helping find a child.

If you really want to argue this point effectively; I think you need to find someone who says that KFN really helped them.... besides those who actually work for KFN that is.....IMO

Good advice, find someone that KFN really helped...I say good luck with that one. Wasn't there a family in Florida who has a missing daughter and was involved with KFN but for some reason removed themselves from KFN? Jennifer something is the girl's name....I think TES was looking for her body also.

[RiverWalk]

Baez Files Motion About Investigator In Casey Case

He is asking the judge to appoint a "special master" to oversee any questioning of the private investigator by law enforcement.

The private eye is a familiar face to insiders. He's Dominic Casey, who early on worked for Baez. Then in October, George and Cindy Anthony hired him to follow up on live sightings of Caylee Anthony.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

OH MY. Read his press release. :lol:
http://www.prweb.com/releases/2008/11/prweb1682364.htm

The Man with the Secrets - Dominic Casey, Investigator

How does a humble, unassuming professional investigator named Dominic Casey, owner of D&A Investigations, Inc. in Longwood, Florida become the lead investigator in what is expected to rival the OJ Simpson trial of the century? He accepted the challenge. Three year old Caylee Marie Anthony is reported to have been missing since June 2008. Inconclusive forensic reports and numerous sightings provide support and hope of finding Caylee Marie alive.

[5boxersmom]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did he ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm

Wonder if Casey has a phone in her cell? :tongue:

[*MoonRider*]

What did he say?

Paraphrasing something like he doesn't trust anyone. Maybe Cury can help me out.

[dvsone]

Which in my opinion is EXTREMELY revealing on the part of the Athony's. Think about it. You have a missing child presumed kidnapped and in danger, and you opt for an organization that does not have a good success rate and doesn't give a person much of a chance in finding their missing child, rather than contacting the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children which has an excellent track record for recovering missing children quickly and bringing them safely home. Hmmmmmm.
Along with alerting authorities that specialize in kidnappings.... UGH. They just make no sense to me.

[Lavenia]

That should be enough to make them tell the truth but who knows.
I haven't posted in awhile but does anyone know if Cindy and George have visited Casey in jail at all since they found Caylee? :biggrin:thanks!

No they haven't. It is unknown, however, whether Casey will allow them.

[Katprint]

I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does.:rolleyes:
Yeah, I've only represented defendants (civil and criminal) for about 20 of my 25 years working in the legal field, and only the last 15 or so years practicing law as an attorney. (Should I include my time in law school serving internships and externships as a certified law clerk - which does permit you to make court appearances and otherwise represent clients under the supervision of a licensed attorney - as time spent practicing law? LOL.) So maybe I don't understand what a defense lawyer does as well as you do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did he ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm


Is baez keeping this 24 hour tipline phone number a secret??? Because I am poised to make a call and tell him exactly how the remains got in those woods. :mad:

[*MoonRider*]

Has anyone seen the phone # advertised for this tip-line?

Here's Jose's website and the links still don't work grrrr. No number there.

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/#

[Remy]

AND doesn't provide a working number IF someone DID have a tip. A bunch of opportunists preying on the weakest of the weak, IMO. They are who I'd like to see strung up on charges ASAP!

And maybe it's just me but I have a huge problem with convicted felons running a non profit for children org. It should not be allowed period.

[Barbara fl.]

IIRC Henry Lee was officially judicially determined to have lost/destroyed evidence in the Spector case. Once an issue has been determined by a judge, principles of res judicata (literally, "the thing has been determined") and collateral estoppel preclude relitigation of that same issue. The Florida trial court would properly take judicial notice of the California trial court's determination that Henry Lee lost/destroyed evidence if Henry Lee was called to testify, and the jury would be informed of this conclusive determination. If the defense team tries to indirectly complain (through the wording of questions directed to expert witnesses) that they were not permitted to have Henry Lee at the crime scene(s) when law enforcement was conducting its evidence collection, the prosecution would properly be permitted to introduce Henry Lee's prior conduct as motive to exclude him i.e. to prevent him from tampering with potential evidence.

I've only met Dr. Lee one single time about 20 years ago, but I immediately liked him on a personal level. He is pleasant and charming. However, on a professional level, I think he has made some poor choices which significantly affected both his credibility and his career.

I have found myself wondering if the Casey Anthony case is going to be the scapegoat case where notorious attorneys and infamous expert witnesses all throw Casey under the bus so that they can say, "See? We are the good guys after all!" It's not like they are getting paid the big bucks to lie for her, after all. (Unlike certain other celebrity murder cases...)

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


I was wondering that all along if Florida courts would be able to expose Henry Lee for who he really is..I am glad to hear that they can...As for the defense deliberatly thowing Casey under the bus, I think that would be detrimental to them. I believe they took on this case for the publicity associated to it...I also believe that Henry Lee thought he could possibly make a come back via Florida... They all might have thought it would be a piece of cake.....

They are in for a surprise...The one thing I know about Florida Courts is that they don't like outsider telling them what to do....I believe the judge already displayed that with all his denials...The dream team is in for a shock of a life time....And this case is not going to give them the status they are looking for.....I do believe they will leave with their tails between their legs....JMOP

[Regina.Lampert]

Would it be precluded if he knows CAsey or family did something criminal? I mean, he is not a lawye or a priest.

I doubt any illegality would be privilged.

[Lavenia]

Is baez keeping this 24 hour tipline phone number a secret??? Because I am poised to make a call and tell him exactly how the remains got in those woods. :mad:

It's apparently for psychics only. (You have to divine the number, too.) :rolleyes:

[Ladyhawk]

Wonder if Casey has a phone in her cell? :tongue:

Do you think she has enough money in her account to make a few calls to the tip line?

[*MoonRider*]

When Mark Klaas went on Nancy Grace last week and blasted the Anthony's as the most dispicable dysfunctional family that he has ever seen, I jumped off my sofa, my popcorn flying in the air and I applauded. SOMEONE had to say it. God Bless Mark Klaas.

I love how he coined the phrase "odious creature" :lol:

[Loves2Read]

Good advice, find someone that KFN really helped...I say good luck with that one. Wasn't there a family in Florida who has a missing daughter and was involved with KFN but for some reason removed themselves from KFN? Jennifer something is the girl's name....I think TES was looking for her body also.

Yes! I just read a post by Happy2bme that says her name was Jennifer Keese. Very good post by H2m!

[Lavenia]

And maybe it's just me but I have a huge problem with convicted felons running a non profit for children org. It should not be allowed period.

It's NOT just you! ITA! ( I despise these people.)

[Barbara fl.]

That should be enough to make them tell the truth but who knows.
I haven't posted in awhile but does anyone know if Cindy and George have visited Casey in jail at all since they found Caylee? :biggrin:thanks!


Not according to any reports....That also goes to show that they do not believe their daughter....If I thought my daughter was innocent I would know that she was distressed over the news and nothing could keep me away from going to see her.....JMO

[AMS]

Here's Jose's website and the links still don't work grrrr. No number there.

http://www.baezlawfirm.com/#


Thanks. No number? I am SHOCKED :wink:

IMO they won't publicize the number but somehow will have thousands of callers telling them how the body got put in the woods while Casey was in jail!!!

IMO

[KP1935]

I'm sure the prison will put Casey to work doing a job that demands much more skill than merely answering phones. You know, a job that is commensurate with her work experience. :biggrin:

You mean she's going to start writing fictional stories? "My Life at Universal and My Best Friend Zanny

:tonguewag:

[nc1948]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/26/earlyshow/main4296624.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4296624

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'


Echos of Susan Smith interview when she told her boys to be brave.

[Remy]

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8124064&version=7&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


Casey won’t be allowed at funeral, Baez opens up tip line

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35, Orlando) -- Jose Baez, attorney for Casey Anthony, set up a new 24 hour information line late Monday to try and find out where, when and how the remains ended up where they did.

Did he ever pay for the last tips that he asked for? Wonder who will monitor this tip line hmmm

Well, I think Baez needs to provide the media with the number and give it to Casey directly so she can fill him in and save everyone some time.

[Barbara fl.]

Vinnie Politan is on...Haven't seen him in awhile...maybe he will fill in for NG tonight.....

[Loves2Read]

Echos of Susan Smith interview when she told her boys to be brave.

That just sent a chill down my spine. I remember that so vividly. Yes, that statement does sound very much like what Susan Smith said.

[joolz]

Yeah, I've only represented defendants (civil and criminal) for about 20 of my 25 years working in the legal field, and only the last 15 or so years practicing law as an attorney. (Should I include my time in law school serving internships and externships as a certified law clerk - which does permit you to make court appearances and otherwise represent clients under the supervision of a licensed attorney - as time spent practicing law? LOL.) So maybe I don't understand what a defense lawyer does as well as you do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


:thumbsup: Good for you Kat! (I'm sure you'll be getting an apology any moment -:laugh:)

[playnice]

Well, I think Baez needs to provide the media with the number and give it to Casey directly so she can fill him in and save everyone some time.

This reminds me when Joel B (Drew petersons lawyer) set up a defense fund website. people were donating a penny. I guess he paid paypal more than he got. the site lasted about one day.

[dvsone]

Yeah, I've only represented defendants (civil and criminal) for about 20 of my 25 years working in the legal field, and only the last 15 or so years practicing law as an attorney. (Should I include my time in law school serving internships and externships as a certified law clerk - which does permit you to make court appearances and otherwise represent clients under the supervision of a licensed attorney - as time spent practicing law? LOL.) So maybe I don't understand what a defense lawyer does as well as you do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions
:ohmy: Oh SNAP!


Just hope you dont have to defend these morons ... and I mean the A's not the posters.

[margaritaville]

Echos of Susan Smith interview when she told her boys to be brave.


No kidding!! ITA

As the boys were still strapped in their car seats dead at the bottom of the lake.......sad......so sad........

[enigma]

Jesse Grund also called her a great mom. Do you think they should charge him with lying also?

I've said it before, but it bears repeating in this context.

I think Casey put up a nice motherly front especially for the Grunds because she was hoping that Jesse would believe her story about him being Caylee's father and rush to take responsibility for her and Caylee. Then she could move out of her parents' home and have someone else look after her financially and otherwise, since the Grunds had already fallen in love with Caylee and loved to baby-sit her.

Jesse said that Casey insisted that he was the father and that she became angry when he contradicted her based on the simple but incontrovertible fact that Caylee was a full term baby and that he and Casey had not been together when Caylee was conceived.

Then, when the paternity test results sealed the fate of that particular plan of hers, she moved on... to TonE. Trouble was, Tony didn't seem to want children at that stage...

So whereas before, with Jesse and the Grunds, Caylee was an asset, with Tony L she became a liability.

The great mother did not take Caylee to Tony's place and put on the motherly act like she did with Jesse, she left Caylee God knows where and with whom, anywhere but at Tony's place.

Because unlike Jesse, Tony wasn't interested in Caylee, or in Casey's potential even as a "steady" girlfriend, let alone a wife and mother. She worked that out pretty quickly and behaved accordingly. Like a chameleon...

JMHO

[irishkitty24]

I doubt any illegality would be privilged.

thanks, that's what I thought but JB just makes me crazy with his legal moves.

[Ladyhawk]

Yes! I just read a post by Happy2bme that says her name was Jennifer Keese. Very good post by H2m!

Yes it was a good post. Evidently the Keese family found something distasteful about KFN.

[MalloryCat]

Yeah, I've only represented defendants (civil and criminal) for about 20 of my 25 years working in the legal field, and only the last 15 or so years practicing law as an attorney. (Should I include my time in law school serving internships and externships as a certified law clerk - which does permit you to make court appearances and otherwise represent clients under the supervision of a licensed attorney - as time spent practicing law? LOL.) So maybe I don't understand what a defense lawyer does as well as you do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions


This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2008/07/26/earlyshow/main4296624.shtml?source=RSSattr=HOME_4296624

"I asked her yesterday, while I spoke with her, 'Is there a message for this person?' And she said, 'Yes. I forgive you, and will you, please return Caylee?'"

Anthony also said her daughter had a message for her granddaughter: "Her message to Caylee is, 'Mommy loves you so much. Continue to be brave, because we know you are coming home to all of us. We love you dearly.'


Well it shows that Casey has a forgiving nature (when it comes to herself)......

[Regina.Lampert]

This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?

That's right, it is and Kat has given us many valuable posts regarding the law and this case. So, what's your point?

[margaritaville]

I've said it before, but it bears repeating in this context.

I think Casey put up a nice motherly front especially for the Grunds because she was hoping that Jesse would believe her story about him being Caylee's father and rush to take responsibility for her and Caylee. Then she could move out of her parents' home and have someone else look after her financially and otherwise, since the Grunds had already fallen in love with Caylee and loved to baby-sit her.

Jesse said that Casey insisted that he was the father and that she became angry when he contradicted her based on the simple but incontrovertible fact that Caylee was a full term baby and that he and Casey had not been together when Caylee was conceived.

Then, when the paternity test results sealed the fate of that particular plan of hers, she moved on... to TonE. Trouble was, Tony didn't seem to want children at that stage...

So whereas before, with Jesse and the Grunds, Caylee was an asset, with Tony L she became a liability.

The great mother did not take Caylee to Tony's place and put on the motherly act like she did with Jesse, she left Caylee God knows where and with whom, anywhere but at Tony's place.

Because unlike Jesse, Tony wasn't interested in Caylee, or in Casey's potential even as a "steady" girlfriend, let alone a wife and mother. She worked that out pretty quickly and behaved accordingly. Like a chameleon...

JMHO


I am sure Tony's comment about wanting only sons didn't help either.

[Lavenia]

Well it shows that Casey has a forgiving nature (when it comes to herself)......

She's just misunderstood. :lol:

[dvsone]

This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?

Why, yes it is.

[margaritaville]

That's right, it is and Kat has given us many valuable posts regarding the law and this case. So, what's your point?

she doesn't have one..........Skip and scroll......
moo

[Regina.Lampert]

yeah... and how can Jose (with a little salt and lime) stop them from speaking to him? He used to work for lime boy... but the Anthony's hired him on their own... so...:blink:

Therein lies the problem, the investigator should never have agreed to work for cynthia and george, imo. Conflict of interests.

[Remy]

There goes my soda right through my nose! :lol:

Me too and add Landshark and Reggie to it and it has made drinking this afternoon very difficult.:lol:

[joolz]

This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?

What a confusing question! Why are you asking that?

I could have sworn Katprint was answering your post:

Originally Posted by MalloryCat
I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does


In which case, her post not only makes sense but
clearly belongs right here on this thread where you first posted that Katprint apparently didn't understand. . . oh, heck, nevermind. :cool:

[??WHATthe??]

Therein lies the problem, the investigator should never have agreed to work for cynthia and george, imo. Conflict of interests.

Do we know when he stopped working for Jose???:confused:

[Duckaroo]

I wish I had that tip-line number, I got a tip to the exact location and I can even describe the blue-jumpsuit, the real murderer is probably wearing at this very moment.

[Lavenia]

yeah... and how can Jose (with a little salt and lime) stop them from speaking to him? He used to work for lime boy... but the Anthony's hired him on their own... so...:blink:

Jose' with salt and lime can't STOP me from talking! I don't know about the Ants though. They may be "immune".

[Barbara fl.]

What a confusing question! Why are you asking that?

I could have sworn Katprint was answering your post:

Originally Posted by MalloryCat
I guess you dont understand what a Defense Lawyer does


In which case, her post not only makes sense but
clearly belongs right here on this thread where you first posted that Katprint apparently didn't understand. . . oh, heck, nevermind. :cool:



Your good.....:lol:

[Lavenia]

Yeah, I've only represented defendants (civil and criminal) for about 20 of my 25 years working in the legal field, and only the last 15 or so years practicing law as an attorney. (Should I include my time in law school serving internships and externships as a certified law clerk - which does permit you to make court appearances and otherwise represent clients under the supervision of a licensed attorney - as time spent practicing law? LOL.) So maybe I don't understand what a defense lawyer does as well as you do.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

WHOMP! There it is!

[Regina.Lampert]

Do we know when he stopped working for Jose???:confused:

Good question!

[Katprint]

I doubt any illegality would be privilged.
I would expect the Attorney Work Product privilege to apply to any illegality discovered by the attorney's investigator, same as the Attorney-Client privilege applies to the attorney's secretary who types up confidential correspondence to clients.

Not that I trust my own investigators to interview sensitive witnesses (for example, other victimized students in school molestation cases) despite my belief that those interviews would be protected from disclosure. I do those interviews myself and if I don't like what they say, I don't write anything down. I am much more confident that the court will not compel disclosure of the contents of my brain than that the court will not compel disclosure of a piece of paper prepared by a private investigator summarizing witness interviews.

And naturally, if the attorney and/or the attorney's investigator does anything illegal, no privilege protects that. Famed private investigator Anthony Pellicano can tell you all about it. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_hollywood_private_investigator_anthony_p.html

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[shelbar53]

This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?

Yes it is and kat has great input into this case regarding the legal aspects. He is very informative and I look forward to his posts, unlike others that are just argumentative and offer no value where I just skip and scroll those or put them ignore because I dont care what they have to say.

[Freefall]

Here's my question. I wonder if the Anthony's laying low right now is a result of the realization that Caylee is gone, the realization that Casey did something to Caylee and that they were wrong all this time, finally listening to their lawyer and keeping their mouths shut or the realization that they might face a bunch of criminal charges themselves and circling the wagons around themselves.

All of the above. IMO

[dvsone]

:sneaky: it was a simple rookie error, yes? :wink:Your good.....:lol:

[??WHATthe??]

Here's my question. I wonder if the Anthony's laying low right now is a result of the realization that Caylee is gone, the realization that Casey did something to Caylee and that they were wrong all this time, finally listening to their lawyer and keeping their mouths shut or the realization that they might face a bunch of criminal charges themselves and circling the wagons around themselves.

My interpretation of Cindy's face when asked that exact question::blink:

[Ladyhawk]

Do we know when he stopped working for Jose???:confused:

This PI, Dominic, is he the PI that was tracking down the picture of everyone in Blanchard Park? If so, don't you think it's strange that he would be the one to uncover this picture yet nothing ever comes from it and then he goes to work for the A's and uncovers someone that hacked into Cindy's email yet nothing ever comes from that either? He must not be very good at his job.

[Regina.Lampert]

I would expect the Attorney Work Product privilege to apply to any illegality discovered by the attorney's investigator, same as the Attorney-Client privilege applies to the attorney's secretary who types up confidential correspondence to clients.

Not that I trust my own investigators to interview sensitive witnesses (for example, other victimized students in school molestation cases) despite my belief that those interviews would be protected from disclosure. I do those interviews myself and if I don't like what they say, I don't write anything down. I am much more confident that the court will not compel disclosure of the contents of my brain than that the court will not compel disclosure of a piece of paper prepared by a private investigator summarizing witness interviews.

And naturally, if the attorney and/or the attorney's investigator does anything illegal, no privilege protects that. Famed private investigator Anthony Pellicano can tell you all about it. http://www.nydailynews.com/entertainment/movies/2008/12/16/2008-12-16_hollywood_private_investigator_anthony_p.html

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Thank you.

[jill collins]

The defense is probably hoping that they can find something that Dr. G. missed so they can say "neener neener" to the prosecution.. lol

It is all smoke! The defense wants to claim they were denied access to the body dump site and to the autopsy. Oldest defense trick in the book. Defense filing motion after motion - SMOKE. Nothing but smoke.

[??WHATthe??]

This PI, Dominic, is he the PI that was tracking down the picture of everyone in Blanchard Park? If so, don't you think it's strange that he would be the one to uncover this picture yet nothing ever comes from it and then he goes to work for the A's and uncovers someone that hacked into Cindy's email yet nothing ever comes from that either? He must not be very good at his job.

I don't remember his name... that's why I was asking if anyone knew "when" he stopped working for Jose. :seeya:

[RiverWalk]

This PI, Dominic, is he the PI that was tracking down the picture of everyone in Blanchard Park? If so, don't you think it's strange that he would be the one to uncover this picture yet nothing ever comes from it and then he goes to work for the A's and uncovers someone that hacked into Cindy's email yet nothing ever comes from that either? He must not be very good at his job.

Here's his website

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

[Barbara fl.]

My interpretation of Cindy's face when asked that exact question::blink:


I truly need these laughs...I'v been depressed over this for too long....

I can see that look :blink:

[Barbara fl.]

This PI, Dominic, is he the PI that was tracking down the picture of everyone in Blanchard Park? If so, don't you think it's strange that he would be the one to uncover this picture yet nothing ever comes from it and then he goes to work for the A's and uncovers someone that hacked into Cindy's email yet nothing ever comes from that either? He must not be very good at his job.

Probably a old friend of George's from the past.....

[??WHATthe??]

Here's his website

http://dgator.com/cayleemarie.aspx

Cool... thanks...

This at least answers one of my questions... but the one I still am wondering if he was working for Jose on the Casey case prior to working with the Anthony's...

:wink:

[shelbar53]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

[Barbara fl.]

I would give up my Reeses Peanut Butter Cup for a peek at those emails that went to whatsername by mistake.


And I, my popcorn......:drool:

[??WHATthe??]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

OMGoodness!!!!:sneaky:

[KP1935]

This is the Caylee Anthony thread right?


Wow, That's the best you've got? She just put you in your place and this is the best come back you can muster? Then again, there isn't much you CAN say when somebody clearly answers your question!

[Loves2Read]

This PI, Dominic, is he the PI that was tracking down the picture of everyone in Blanchard Park? If so, don't you think it's strange that he would be the one to uncover this picture yet nothing ever comes from it and then he goes to work for the A's and uncovers someone that hacked into Cindy's email yet nothing ever comes from that either? He must not be very good at his job.

ITA! He has only made more questions arise without an answer. IMO

[Lavenia]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

OMG! :ohmy:

[jakee]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.


What the hey is going on here? :ohmy:

[5boxersmom]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

Could this case get any stranger? Was he video taping just for this purpose? So they could say the body wasn't there? This may very well backfire on them. Why was he video taping there to begin with.

Geez I need a drink. hammer

[Barbara fl.]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.


I just read it.....I can not believe this....Has anyone seen these tapes? And WHY would he be taping that area in any case?

This also in dicates that the Anthony's are not going to give in that their daughter did this...They will continue their charde as before.....

:cursing:

[Loves2Read]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

Wow! That is interesting. Thanks for posting that Shelbar!

[RiverWalk]

OMGoodness!!!!:sneaky:

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/22/ng.01.html

LEONARD PADILLA, BOUNTY HUNTER, HELPED LOOK FOR CAYLEE ANTHONY: Yes. That`s correct. It`s a totally different area. It doesn`t -- it`s not even close to where they found the skeletal remains.

But let me, let me throw something in here that I think is important that I`ve been thinking about for about a week. At one time, and I think if you go back, you`ll find the.

GRACE: You`ve been thinking about it for a week, why couldn`t you tell me Friday night?

PADILLA: Because I didn`t know exactly what it meant until today when I discussed it with Rob.

GRACE: OK.

PADILLA: What happened is, George is saying that he`s got people being followed that he knows.

GRACE: I remember that.

PADILLA: . who`s got Caylee.

GRACE: And they`re being surveilled.

PADILLA: They`re being surveilled. And then we got to talking about Dominic, his private detective, and another fellow by the name of Jim Hoover. And we thought, well, why hasn`t, you know, somebody like the FBI, for instance, Nick Savage, gone and asked George if these are the two private detectives that were following the suspects.

I think it`s very important.

GRACE: Because?

PADILLA: If they were following somebody, they`re going to say, this is who it was. I don`t think they were following anybody.

GRACE: So you`re saying if there was somebody in mind by the Anthonys, that could be a potential killer, a suspect, is that what you`re saying?

PADILLA: Yes, sure. But.

GRACE: OK, got it.

PADILLA: Listen, let me tell you why I know it`s not true. The very first night we got there, we met with the Anthonys, Lee, Cindy and George. And 100 percent of the conversation was directed at convincing us that Jesse had the child or had done something to the child.

[suzanne]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

This is very interesting.I would like to see this tape.

[shelbar53]

Could this case get any stranger? Was he video taping just for this purpose? So they could say the body wasn't there? This may very well backfire on them. Why was he video taping there to begin with.

Geez I need a drink. hammer

Maybe that is why the A's want immunity.
was he looking for the body and didnt find it so he thought he would show the videotape of him not finding the body. he didnt think that through, because...WHY WAS HE LOOKING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?? yep, that is going to backfire on him

[nc1948]

Ha!

That would be one bad guess right there.


HEHEHEHE-very bad guess

[nc1948]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html


Well it could happen. NOT

[Mimi428]

Baez filed another motion today and Anthony's say they will be candid this time.

http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html


OMIGOSH, I read that real fast & thought for a second that the news that the Anthonys were going to be candid was included in whatever motion Baez filed today.

Good grief! LOL

[happygert]

OMG! :ohmy:

OMG is right.. This tends to lead me to believe The whole dang gang is invloved.

[5boxersmom]

Indeed it will backfire on them.

Especially if this video is the only video said PI made.

If this PI only video taped that particular area... no wonder the criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George is seeking full immunity for his clients.

No wonder Baez doesn't want LE talking to the PI's.

[AJandTam]

http://www.wftv.com/news/18377039/detail.html

Deputies want know what a private investigator was doing in the area where Caylee's body was found. They've been told he was videotaping the area a month before Caylee's body was discovered.

:eek: That's interesting..

[playnice]

What the hey is going on here? :ohmy:

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

omg

[Loves2Read]

Also from the link:

The private investigator was apparently working with the Anthony family at the time. It raises questions about whether the Anthonys knew the remains were there a month before they were found.

Hmmm.

Yes.... It's like watching WyL E Coyote (sp?) on those old cartoons.

They will say here we have proof that she wasn't there.... Someone else must have done it.....

What do you mean how did we know to video tape there..... um... ah..... we had the PI video several places... you know ... to prove Caylee wasn't there..... you know...

We think it was..... (fill in the blank) The PI taped him too and he was acting very suspicious. Blah blah blah....

What will they think of next I wonder.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 live at 5 Holly Bristol interviewed Brad Conway - 2nd autopsy underway may be a couple of days, A's not rushing defense, private services will be limited to immediate family, A's want Casey to attend, Public Services will be very controlled (no cameras, back packs etc)

Fox 35 live at 6 according to Holly Bristol - Crimeline Board of Directors meeting late next week to discuss Kronk reward, Nejame's offer not yet accepted, Padilla's offer of 5-10K comes with strings, Kronk must allow a chat with LP, attorney Evans allegedly reported LP has not contacted RK but RK is considering big offers from major networks for interviews.
jmo until film later released.

ETA - also included D Casey information

[5boxersmom]

What was he getting at? I don't understand Padilla's train of thought here, he speaks in riddles just like Casey Anthony sometimes. Someone explain this to me, por favor?:confused:

I think what he was saying was they were blaming Jesse, then all of a sudden these other kidnappers are moving Caylee 9 times. Lenny wants LE to ask them who they were following since he knows it was not Jesse.

I think. :tongue:

[Katprint]

:ohmy: Oh SNAP!

Just hope you dont have to defend these morons ... and I mean the A's not the posters.
I have represented equally moronic defendants. The closest case that comes to mind was a foster grandparent couple who had a 12 year old juvenile sexual predator with a history of opportunistic reoffenses placed with them (he had to be placed SOMEWHERE after serving his time in juvenile detention) because the couple's own children were all grown and had left the residence to raise families of their own. The public school that the juvenile sexual predator attended was warned of the need for constant supervision, and basically hired an extra employee to follow the kid around to make sure he didn't sexually assault any of the other students.

Well, times grew hard and the grandparents permitted their grown son and his young children - including a preschool-age granddaughter - to move in with them and their juvenile sexual predator foster child. Naturally they did not notify the foster family company because they needed the extra income from fostering a difficult-to-place "special needs" foster child. Do I even need to say the obvious? Yes, of course the juvenile sexual predator molested the granddaughter. She told her dad - the grown son - and they all moved out and a lawsuit was filed.

The morons in this case: The grandparents and the grown son, who was aware of the proclivities of the juvenile sexual predator when he moved in with his parents and took the predictably ineffective precaution of telling his kids to stay away from the foster kid.

But wait! There's more! The case has been going for several months then I get a call in the late afternoon from the attorney representing the molested granddaughter and her father as Guardian Ad Litem. It seems that the grandparents have now moved their grown daughter and her two young children into their home. I call the foster family company's emergency number and they call the grandparents who deny it. I make a big stinking fuss and they send out an investigator that same evening (about 7 pm). Lo and behold, the investigator not only finds the grown daughter and her two children present, but when the grandparents claim that they are just visiting (which is also against placement rules for this particular foster child) the investigator looks through the house and finds their clothing in a bedroom and more of their clothing in the laundry. The foster family company pulls the foster child out and puts him in emergency placement. Then, a little further placement investigation reveals that this kid's drug-addicted mother has just finished rehab, gotten a job and found a place to live, so she is ready to regain custody of the juvenile sexual predator. Not my problem anymore = best possible ending.

*sigh* Frequently I have to bite my tongue while dealing with clients, because I feel the almost overwhelming urge to demand, "WHAT MADE YOU THINK THAT WAS A GOOD IDEA?!!!"

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

ETA: Edited to clarify that I actually represented the foster family company, not the grandparents, although there was a general "unity of interests" aligning the defenses and I worked cooperatively with the grandparents' attorney. Kind of like Cindy and George have separate but aligned interests. If I had been representing the grandparents, legal ethics probably would have prevented me from ratting them out to the foster family company.

[Lavenia]

OMG is right.. This tends to lead me to believe The whole dang gang is invloved.

WAH! I don't WANT to believe that! It's so HARD for me to believe that.

Stuff like this, though... make me :sad: & :confused:.

[nc1948]

That poor woman ........who can sit and watch these videos of Cindy and see her so upset and watch " YES " the maggots ,leeches and parasites that the media are as well as the gawkers at their house as she is so out of breath ,obviosuly running on pure adreniline at this point and make fun of her .....WHO ?????


I feel nothing but empathy for her and the feelings she was going through , it is deploarable that they treated her this way , not an ounce of respect for her crazy emotions , its sickening !


That family held it together the best they could and I give them credit for how they composed themselves , much better then alot of people would have ,I'll bet on that .

You are right about me at least. I give them no credit what so ever. They have covered, lies, mislead for Casey. That to me is not keeping it together. Being scared that your grandchild is dead by the hands of your daughter is no excuse for lying, accusing Jess and Amy, calling searchers leeches, and maggots. I respect that you can feel empathy for them, I just cannot.

[irishkitty24]

can this case get ANY stranger?


I feel like we say this every week.

When will it end??!!

[desmom]

Maybe that is why the A's want immunity.
was he looking for the body and didnt find it so he thought he would show the videotape of him not finding the body. he didnt think that through, because...WHY WAS HE LOOKING THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE?? yep, that is going to backfire on him

I agree. What would make him video tape that area? From the google earth maps and the Gale St. John video, it appears to be a pretty large area. Did he video the exact area where the bones were discovered?

jmo

[AJandTam]

Katprint. While you are here.

I ask earlier but I think you missed the post.

This new stuff about the A's in the news today. Does this suggest that they have been granted the "Immunity" and if they mess up then charges could be filed against them???

Wow, News this evening is sure picking up...

[jammies]

[/COLOR]

You are right about me at least. I give them no credit what so ever. They have covered, lies, mislead for Casey. That to me is not keeping it together. Being scared that your grandchild is dead by the hands of your daughter is no excuse for lying, accusing Jess and Amy, calling searchers leeches, and maggots. I respect that you can feel empathy for them, I just cannot.


Can you imagine what we DON'T know? We only are privy to some of the info. This is just beyond comprehension.

[jakee]

The defense's spokesman said they don't want their former private eye to divulge privileged conversations they might have had about where Caylee's remains might be.

omg


I guess this statement means if the Nanny killed Caylee where would Zanny hide the remains??? If so, why are they worried about their thoughts on Zanny the kidnapping nanny? My head hurts. Maybe that isn't even what they mean. I am so confused.

[Rayosunshine]

The defense is doing its own medical examination of Caylee's remains. One reason why they might choose to do this is to confirm/refute the conclusion of the coroner's examination. For example, if the hyoid bone (in the neck) was fractured or displaced, that might indicate that Caylee had died from strangulation. http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/articleshow/665804.cms A defense attorney might bring a finding like this to the attention of the coroner in hopes of getting the caused changed from homicide by unknown mechanism to homicide by strangulation, which would mean that death did NOT result from chloroform poisoning and thus the evidence of chloroform searches on the computer and high chloroform levels in Casey's car trunk would become legally irrelevant and thus inadmissible. OTOH the neck breaking searches on the computer might assume greater relevance in the jury's mind and it might be better for the actual cause of death to remain undetermined. This is the type of strategic decision a defense attorney makes, then every trialwatcher second guesses those decisions.

Katprint
Who has hired dozens if not hundreds of medical experts to perform
Independent Medical Examinations of fraudulent plaintiffs
Always only my own opinions

Kat, I wonder if the hyoid bone was found, especially since the skull was separated from the spinal column.?

[jammies]

i hate to say this,..my fingers don't even want to type this BUT..... i think this case will get even crazier before it's over and done.


It does on a daily, sometimes hourly, basis. Anthony's were busy, busy people.

[shelbar53]

I agree. What would make him video tape that area? From the google earth maps and the Gale St. John video, it appears to be a pretty large area. Did he video the exact area where the bones were discovered?

jmo

I think he was told where to look, but he just didnt find her, he wasnt in the exact spot. so he had videotape of the area and he thought, hey great i will show everyone the video with no body never thinking it through. all in my own opinon.