Caylee Anthony 12/29 part 2

[Lavenia]

Yuri Melich has the 1200 photos and the name of the Orlando based photographer. I think maybe those are the photos Lee erased?

Heh heh. She can run but she can't hide.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Now that I think about it, that is kind of hinky. LP saying I wouldnt be surprised if they know where the body is, then little's post. way to strange.

IIRC, LP actually said he would not be surprised if OSCO had not already found Caylee remains.
jmo

[MrsHudson]

Glad you picked up on that...

I don't know why that is so difficult to understand.
If they are now going to cooperate that means they haven't been cooperating before.


That is logical!

Hey trich we both love good old logic!

It's not difficult for the A supporters to understand that the A's lied, it's difficult for them to admit it.

[bchand]

Lee Anthony's attorney due up next on Greta's show. (Someone else is subbing for Greta.)

[jammies]

I agree that they thought/knew there was a problem, but I don't think that involved Caylee being dead.

I think the Anthonys, Cindy in particular, was starting to panic and dispair of ever seeing Caylee again because Casey had taken her away after that argument.

We know there was a serious argument, but we don't know what words/threats were thrown about. If Casey said something like I'll take Caylee away and you'll never see her again, then she disappears for 15 days (I mean from 16 June to 3 July) and she texts her brother saying that she doesn't want him or her parents to find her... Cindy writing what she wrote on Myspace makes perfect sense. She is sick at the thought that Casey took Caylee away and she worries about who will look after Caylee now (since she knew better than anyone that Casey's priorities were elsewhere).

I see that Myspace post from Cindy as a true cry from the heart, not any sort of acknoweldgement that she knew something had happened to Caylee. The fact that she/the family asked Lee to look for Casey only serves to confirm that.

Similarly, I don't think those 911 calls were staged. I think the reason that Caylee wasn't mentioned in the first two is because Cindy was trying to scare Casey into telling her where Caylee was by getting her arested for theft. When that didn't work, COMBINED with when Cindy saw Casey crying on the floor and heard her tell Lee that Caylee had been kidnapped, that's when the 3rd real panic 911 call occurred. By that stage, Cindy was past trying to get anything out of Casey and realised that something really bad had happened to Caylee.

I believe that after Cindy caught up with her, Casey started to put her contingency plan in motion and that she, and only she was involved in concocting the nanny kidnapping story.

I believe Cindy fell in with the story afterwards, when she realised/found out that Caylee was gone and that if she didn't protect Casey in every way possible, regardless of what she'd done, she would "lose them both".

JMHO


I totally agree. I think Cindy got involved in the lies and coverups AFTER the 911 calls. Up until then, she was in the dark. As for GA, I think he knew something on the day he gives 3 differing stories about gas cans.

[steffaroob4]

IIRC, LP actually said he would not be surprised if OSCO had not already found Caylee remains.
jmo

yet another beyond belief statement from LP, I recall that one:thumbdown:

[Elfinrow]

Yuri Melich has the 1200 photos and the name of the Orlando based photographer. I think maybe those are the photos Lee erased?

I think so, lets just hope that others are wrong and that they are not of caylee and they are not child porn and she was not pimping out her own child for money. Because if that was the case, and Lee A erased those photos or attempted to, then he would be an assc to child porn charges, wouldnt he? I think so.
And I think this case is going to split wide open any day now. It's hard to write about and I hope anything but this is the case. But it really does make sense and that is so unfortunate. From the secrecy to the empty apartment and what could have been going on in that apartment? Maybe photo shoots? AND
What about the txt where amy says to casey about having one room in her parents home; free of furniture for lots of "space" to do...whatever...
Well. After I heard the conversation on the scaredmonkeys site about how other Investigators are thinking along these lines, and then I remembered that txt exchange with amy then that led me to believe there is something huge that none of us know about in this case. And I think they may be right and that child porn may be at the heart of this case. There was just a large bust in the Orlando area today as well. And, I guess I wondered if it had anything to do with this case. I dont know yet for sure but in my gut I have a surely pretty sick feeling that this might be what casey a was doing, with caylee.

[Remy]

So you would just take the prosecutions word for it?

Sorry, I know I'm really behind (again) but the ME does not work for the prosecution. Dr. G is paid by the county but her job is to determine COD, TOD, etc and her findings are based on her findings and interpretations of said finding.

I know it is nitpicking but it bothers me that people think ME's are basing their findings based on legal theories, insurance claims etc.

[Janz]

Oh you too Mrs Hudson, so many of you here have been so devoted to this case and this child. To her memory and trying to preserve that. I know that so many people want to believe that these are just regular grieving grandparents and a loving family. But what is so horrible is that we have so much information published and reported even in affidavit that proves otherwise. And that is the horror of this story, what Caylee's life was really like. What she was really living was some kind of hell.
A good example of that is how Casey does not respond to her when she is behind that video camera. It's chilling. I think there are certain aspects of this case I will never forget. Not ever. Especially Casey's smile and cocky walk as she walked in head held high, into custody with her cheap target football shirt on that day.

Thanks so much for your posts tonight, Elfin. I think you are right in every word. I so hope they are all made to stand before the bar of justice....Never have I seen or witnessed such a family and we can only imagine what Caylee`s little life must have been like in that family.

[jammies]

Oh you too Mrs Hudson, so many of you here have been so devoted to this case and this child. To her memory and trying to preserve that. I know that so many people want to believe that these are just regular grieving grandparents and a loving family. But what is so horrible is that we have so much information published and reported even in affidavit that proves otherwise. And that is the horror of this story, what Caylee's life was really like. What she was really living was some kind of hell.
A good example of that is how Casey does not respond to her when she is behind that video camera. It's chilling. I think there are certain aspects of this case I will never forget. Not ever. Especially Casey's smile and cocky walk as she walked in head held high, into custody with her cheap target football shirt on that day.


yes, yes and yes. The high-fiving, wearing the sunglasses she bought with Amy's money day after day, arrested in stolen money shirt, the nasty phone calls from jail, etc. etc. The list goes on and on.

[enigma]

Oh January thanks very much. Yep this is the link. It does hold water. Im on pins and needles waiting to hear about the photo discussed in the media but it's just been totally wiped I have deep searched the net and I cannot find the Absinthe photos of the party or 100s of others that were there just a few months back. I think that LE knows of course, this is probably their case. Then again who knows, they had Krunks info and failed to find her body so lets hope that LE has Amy's photos from that night and can see as plain as day as I did that they are most likely wrapped in the same exact way. We havent been able to read the autopsy report yet but when we do, we will all know for sure then. And I firmly believe that if this holds true, then a jury will convict her hands down and she is DONE. As her and Amy used to say...
Done And Done.
!!

The photos were on Lake Vaj's Myspace, but it is now set to "Private", so you can't see them anymore. I looked at them a long time ago and have saved some to my HD, but I don't remember seeing any Absinthe bottle, and I'm pretty sure I went back to look for it because I'd read some comments about it...

JMHO

[steffaroob4]

Sorry, I know I'm really behind (again) but the ME does not work for the prosecution. Dr. G is paid by the county but her job is to determine COD, TOD, etc and her findings are based on her findings and interpretations of said finding.

I know it is nitpicking but it bothers me that people think ME's are basing their findings based on legal theories, insurance claims etc.


thanks

I enjoy your posts, I appreciate all of your input, thanks for the info on the dog hair and bone marrow, that was very interesting.

[Elfinrow]

yet another beyond belief statement from LP, I recall that one:thumbdown:

Oh Steff, yikes I remember that too. I wish that cnn would get a clue and stop giving this yoddle airtime fgs! :cuss: It's just ridiculous.

There are so many experts that they could put on their shows, this is not a circus, it was a childs LIFE. LP it's time for him to PFFT: Disappear!!

[jammies]

Hey trich we both love good old logic!

It's not difficult for the A supporters to understand that the A's lied, it's difficult for them to admit it.


Which at this point is just silly. Makes me believe they are either not following the case or they are just here to create doubt. Hope it's the first case as the latter isn't working.

[shelbar53]

Remember the text msg from Amy to Casey saying that Casey stole her duct tape from her purse.

Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 11:18am on May 26th, 2008
You lost my duct tape! I was excited to have so much left! Thats why I get for giving you my purse... Stupid costume that didn't work the way it should have.... what a waste of gaff tape...

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=389100

[steffaroob4]

Oh Steff, yikes I remember that too. I wish that cnn would get a clue and stop giving this yoddle airtime fgs! :cuss: It's just ridiculous.

There are so many experts that they could put on their shows, this is not a circus, it was a childs LIFE. LP it's time for him to PFFT: Disappear!!


I WISH:thumbsup:


I guess we are all just crazy, I have been watching that poll (http://anniewonders.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/poll/)from earlier and it seems more people like him than don't. I just have no clue as to why he is attracting fans.

[Oregongal]

I agree as I thought I read that all Casey's emails from Yahoo were erased up to July 16th. The emails would be on Yahoo's server and not the HD. I have wondered if LE could retrive those Yahoo emails? Could this be why Lee is being looked into? Did LE retrive those Yahoo emails?

Yes, I'm sure LE could and probably have retrieved anything and everything they could from Yahoo. I'm also thinking that this is some of what I've said all along, just part of what has not been released for public consumption.
LE and the SA have redacted and edited probably more than we can imagine from the doc dumps to preserve the integrity of the trial.
I would imagine that something within these redacted and edited doc's there is something to explain why Lee A is being looked into and possibly facing charges as we speak.
The puzzle is slowly being put together. We have the corners, some of the border and the trial will be what fills in all the rest.

[rj1212]

IIRC, LP actually said he would not be surprised if OSCO had not already found Caylee remains.
jmo

I knew the little birdy info was much more than a coincidence...
and I remember LP saying that too...

One of the reasons why I have grown to like hearing LP is that he occasionally gives tidbits of info that prove to be very interesting...occasionally.

Maybe this daisy trail??? theory will turn out to be very compelling...

[Elfinrow]

The photos were on Lake Vaj's Myspace, but it is now set to "Private", so you can't see them anymore. I looked at them a long time ago and have saved some to my HD, but I don't remember seeing any Absinthe bottle, and I'm pretty sure I went back to look for it because I'd read some comments about it...

JMHO

Yes that is one of the sites for sure, lol. Gah that name. But anyway yes the Great Green Fairy bottle was right there along with all the red cups lined up on the kitchen counter, next to the bottle. I dont know when or if ever the mainstream media is going to pick this up but that substance WAS being used at those parties, it was there on the counter clear as day, I read the label. Did you save the photos of amy to your drive of her in cellophane? I have the abs photo somewhere but I have no idea in what folder I put it. I have thousands of photos, so I've had some trouble locating it. Rest assured, they were drinking it. I would like to know how often CaseyA indulged in the Fairy for sure.

[101Spots]

I WISH:thumbsup:


I guess we are all just crazy, I have been watching that poll (http://anniewonders.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/poll/)from earlier and it seems more people like him than don't. I just have no clue as to why he is attracting fans.

Comic relief. As horrible as this case is, we need something to laugh at. Might as well be Lenny.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Sorry, I know I'm really behind (again) but the ME does not work for the prosecution. Dr. G is paid by the county but her job is to determine COD, TOD, etc and her findings are based on her findings and interpretations of said finding.

I know it is nitpicking but it bothers me that people think ME's are basing their findings based on legal theories, insurance claims etc.

Excellent point, thanks for the reminder and marrow info.

[Elfinrow]

I WISH:thumbsup:


I guess we are all just crazy, I have been watching that poll (http://anniewonders.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/poll/)from earlier and it seems more people like him than don't. I just have no clue as to why he is attracting fans.

LOL Steff Im with you!! I've got to be honest even DanaP and others that are doing the radio blogs online have no IDEA why cnn is using him or why people actually like him? He has nothing to do with this case and in fact, inserted himself into this case early on! Its beyond me.
Kind of shows me though how out of touch people really are with the true justice system and experts though. I guess, most of america thinks that The Dog, is an expert and thus any bounty hunter is all of a sudden an expert in a murder case? It's bizarre for sure. And he needs to go.

He has no inside info on this case, he never did. When we go back to the beginning of this case, he admits he spent no more than a few minutes around Casey A himself. He has no first hand knowledge of her; or any inside info in this case. It's disturbing to me because he is muddying the waters of this case. That is the last thing that Caylee Anthony needs, and it's the worst thing that could happen for her memory or her case. I think Jean C did a great job tonight on CNN!! I love her hair color too, looks great on her!

[Lavenia]

What do you think it is? And do you believe Lenny, that it was possibly Lee that tipped off the meter reader?

I didn't hear the theory about Lee tipping off the MR. What would that have accomplished I wonder? Why add someone else to the mix? That's just one more person where something else can go wrong. Nah, I don't buy it.

About KFN. I don't know what all. I KNOW Milstead's a felon. I KNOW they're financially embarrassed. I KNOW Dennis and Sherry have gone by different names in the past. I KNOW that the billboard didn't have a working number to call. I know their services, including the PI, wouldn't be necessary if they allowed the Ants to believe Caylee was dead. It was to their benefit to tell the Ants that Caylee had been moved multiple times, that they are watching the "kidnappers" and to otherwise feed them false hope. It's OBVIOUS they were lying to the Ants about that since she lay in a wooded lot dead, what else have they lied about?

[bchand]

Amy Huizenga (Orlando, FL) wrote
at 11:18am on May 26th, 2008
You lost my duct tape! I was excited to have so much left! Thats why I get for giving you my purse... Stupid costume that didn't work the way it should have.... what a waste of gaff tape...

http://helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showthread.php?p=389100


I really wish she saved that costume or some of it with the tape on it.
I don't see why she would though.

[mosey2]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

[Elfinrow]

Comic relief. As horrible as this case is, we need something to laugh at. Might as well be Lenny.

I agree Im with you on that, Ive really been feeling the need for that because this case is so very very sad. The poor little thing, she was left out there to rot early on and LE was right on that when they even said that straight to Casey that day on tape, which kind of person is she? We all pretty much know for sure, that she is the monster Yuri alluded to.
And she has fooled, no one. In fact, yes she was given WAY too much credit for this crime. She made a lot of mistakes. And those mistakes are well documented and the only way I can see Casey A getting out, is because of the release of info in this case....because It IS of the likes we've never seen. So I worry about that, a lot.

[Oregongal]

Jumping in to add that Cindy also drove to Universal to try to meet Casey in the parking lot on July 3. I don't remember where the link is but Cindy called Casey and if I remember tried to get Casey to take her to Caylee. Someone jump in and please help me with this one. I can't remember all the story.

IIRC, Cindy had talked to Casey that day and had arranged to meet her at Universal. Cindy drove there, parked and walked to guest services and called Casey saying she was there. Casey then told her, ooops, sorry, I'm not here, I'm somewhere else, doing something for my job.
Cindy then left.
That's all I remember, I don't know if Cindy had gone there so Casey could take her to Caylee, or if it was just so Cindy could see Casey f2f.
Hope that helps, maybe someone else can jog our memory better.
:unsure:

[Elfinrow]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

I really think because he KNEW he would have to give a hair sample and it would have shown some type of drug abuse. Thats just my opinion. But it's what I think. His timing was uncanny.

[Lavenia]

Yes that is one of the sites for sure, lol. Gah that name. But anyway yes the Great Green Fairy bottle was right there along with all the red cups lined up on the kitchen counter, next to the bottle. I dont know when or if ever the mainstream media is going to pick this up but that substance WAS being used at those parties, it was there on the counter clear as day, I read the label. Did you save the photos of amy to your drive of her in cellophane? I have the abs photo somewhere but I have no idea in what folder I put it. I have thousands of photos, so I've had some trouble locating it. Rest assured, they were drinking it. I would like to know how often CaseyA indulged in the Fairy for sure.

Absinthe isn't what you're thinking. It's got quite an exotic reputation but it's just a drink with a lot of mystery. IMO. I bought it for my adult son a few years back.

ETA: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

[Elfinrow]

I really wish she saved that costume or some of it with the tape on it.
I don't see why she would though.

Hi BC, Im certain that the photo will be all that LE needs to show the Jury in this case. Im certain of it. Im looking fwd to it, actually. I know that photo is going to hang her, if in fact Caylee's head was wrapped completely around.

[mosey2]

I really think because he KNEW he would have to give a hair sample and it would have shown some type of drug abuse. Thats just my opinion. But it's what I think. His timing was uncanny.You're reading my mind Elf. When did he shave it, do you know?

[aubrey04]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

No clue. Weird, isn't it? I was thinking about that tonight while watching clips of him on NG.. strange. :scared:

[Lavenia]

Thanks doll, I wonder what will come out with this video claming Caylee wasn't there a month ago. I think she has been there the whole time.
I wonder what the BIG cover up is, because it seems to be more than Caylee's death.

YVW Sweetie! I, too, think she's been there all this time. I don't know what the heck else is going on! It's too big for my peanut head, lol.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Remember this - protect XXXXX from abuse, neglect or exploitation by another person

http://i.cdn.turner.com/cnn/2008/images/08/05/anthony.casey.charges.doc

[bchand]

Hi BC, Im certain that the photo will be all that LE needs to show the Jury in this case. Im certain of it. Im looking fwd to it, actually. I know that photo is going to hang her, if in fact Caylee's head was wrapped completely around.

I agree it will be compelling but just think if they had a piece of it and could match it to the duct tape found wrapped around her skull.


Lee's Attorney on now... he says Lee has fully cooperated. What a crock.

[Elfinrow]

Absinthe isn't what you're thinking. It's got quite an exotic reputation but it's just a drink with a lot of mystery. IMO. I bought it for my adult son a few years back.

Hi Lavenia! Err yes it's exactly what was being served at the no clothes party. It was sitting on the counter, and depends on the proof of the wormwood and all that. The spoons and the sugar cubes were there as well. There were some articles posted on it early on in the case. Here but on other blogs online. It has not yet been discussed in mainstream media, and for the life of me I dont know why.

I wonder how often Casey drank it, you know it was a huge part of the Pam Vitale case as well. This is a serious drink if you know what you are doing. It's not a drink with a lot of mystery it has a huge long very detailed history. You can all google it, but I really wish those photos were still up because it clearly shows the amts of alcohol at the parties, it shows the abs as well. And who knows if this was one of Casey's drugs of choice or if it was her poison? I dont know for sure, but I strongly suspect it was. If you know what you are doing, it causes quite a high. And we still dont have Casey's medical records from when she was first arrested, we only know that she was told no drinking or drugs when released. Now, unless she had a problem that shouldnt have been a condition, imo.

[aubrey04]

Sorry, I know I'm really behind (again) but the ME does not work for the prosecution. Dr. G is paid by the county but her job is to determine COD, TOD, etc and her findings are based on her findings and interpretations of said finding.

I know it is nitpicking but it bothers me that people think ME's are basing their findings based on legal theories, insurance claims etc.

Good point, Remy.. :patriot:

[mosey2]

Thanks doll, I wonder what will come out with this video claming Caylee wasn't there a month ago. I think she has been there the whole time.
I wonder what the BIG cover up is, because it seems to be more than Caylee's death.Do we have access to the pics the PI supposedly took on Nov 15th showing Caylee not being there?
Wasnt the area underwater at that time? She may have floated out, then back with the "tide"

[bchand]

Do we have access to the pics the PI supposedly took on Nov 15th showing Caylee not being there?
Wasnt the area underwater at that time? She may have floated out, then back with the "tide"

He supposedly gave a reporter a little "peek" at the video. No one else has seen it AFAIK.

I'm not concerned about her not being there. I am more interested in what the Anthony's private investigator was doing there in November.

[jammies]

Thanks doll, I wonder what will come out with this video claming Caylee wasn't there a month ago. I think she has been there the whole time.
I wonder what the BIG cover up is, because it seems to be more than Caylee's death.


Zactly, CA. I wonder how many people are actually involved in the cover-up? Almost scared to turn the tv on in the morning!

[Lavenia]

Hi Lavenia! Err yes it's exactly what was being served at the no clothes party. It was sitting on the counter, and depends on the proof of the wormwood and all that. The spoons and the sugar cubes were there as well. There were some articles posted on it early on in the case. Here but on other blogs online. It has not yet been discussed in mainstream media, and for the life of me I dont know why.

I wonder how often Casey drank it, you know it was a huge part of the Pam Vitale case as well. This is a serious drink if you know what you are doing. It's not a drink with a lot of mystery it has a huge long very detailed history. You can all google it, but I really wish those photos were still up because it clearly shows the amts of alcohol at the parties, it shows the abs as well. And who knows if this was one of Casey's drugs of choice or if it was her poison? I dont know for sure, but I strongly suspect it was. If you know what you are doing, it causes quite a high. And we still dont have Casey's medical records from when she was first arrested, we only know that she was told no drinking or drugs when released. Now, unless she had a problem that shouldnt have been a condition, imo.

LOL. I know it was there Elfinrow. What I mean about the mystery is that it got a reputation from quite some years back about the psychoactive properties that kind of stuck to it as an exotic tale but I don't think you can find modern absinthe that has those properties. I stand to be corrected for sure.

ETA: again the wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

[panokatana]

IF...big IF...the theory regarding Lee tipping LE about the location is true... He just might have been angry enough to do just that after being accused of inappropriate actions with his middle school aged sister... namely Casey. Who knows what turmoil this might have caused in his relationship with Mallory and her family...and perhaps he decided to put an end to it all...for everyone's sake... Payback, Baby Sister.

Just a thought.

and JMO

[Elfinrow]

I agree it will be compelling but just think if they had a piece of it and could match it to the duct tape found wrapped around her skull.


Lee's Attorney on now... he says Lee has fully cooperated. What a crock.

Oh wow BC did you hear this on NG too just now, about knowing about abuse beforehand not exactly murder? im thinking that the charges against Lee just may be of a child porn/abuse type of nature and he is in DEEP trouble you guys. I heard it first on the radio broadcast on the 21 and have been rather, quiet and just mulling over everything we've all posted about for months online.......and I really do think that Lee A knew exactly what Casey was involved in. And I think it was child porn. There would have been no other reason to erase hundreds of photos of her own child, and just now Jean C alluded to just that: That lee may be arrested and charged with assc to abuse of some kind.
And if this does happen then I have to give my red flags an awful lot of credit for my first gut instinct and reactions to Lee A when I saw him on film tape and audio. My gut hurt. It still hurts. It hurts for that little girl, and whatever hell she was really living day in day out.
:rose:

[mosey2]

Did they as for hair samples or just DNA?I think they may have got a hair sample for mitochondrial after the discovery of Caylee's hair in the trunk, but DNA would have been a cheek swab, most likely. They would want hair for any drug use profile, if so inclined. Hair hangs on to drug residue, unlike tissue and blood. They would need a court order for it, seeing how he responded to the call for his DNA.

Curious as to why he shaved his head... From the pics it looks like it was just before Caylee was discovered.

[rj1212]

IF...big IF...the theory regarding Lee tipping LE about the location is true... He just might have been angry enough to do just that after being accused of inappropriate actions with his middle school aged sister... namely Casey. Who knows what turmoil this might have caused in his relationship with Mallory and her family...and perhaps he decided to put an end to it all...for everyone's sake... Payback, Baby Sister.

Just a thought.

and JMO

Wow...anything's possible...it might explain his irrational behavior with the Caylee memorial in front of the Anthony's home...more of a frustration at the fact of having to live the ridiculous facade in the first place. Of course I'm probably giving Lee waaaay too much credit here.

[jammies]

IF...big IF...the theory regarding Lee tipping LE about the location is true... He just might have been angry enough to do just that after being accused of inappropriate actions with his middle school aged sister... namely Casey. Who knows what turmoil this might have caused in his relationship with Mallory and her family...and perhaps he decided to put an end to it all...for everyone's sake... Payback, Baby Sister.

Just a thought.

and JMO


Interesting thought, pan. I sure can't imagine him being too pleased with Casey's accusations.

[rj1212]

I just saw the tail end of a report on Nancy Grace. Apparently Lee's attorney said that Lee will probably be charged with a criminal act regarding Caylee. Did anybody else see this? If so, what's the story?

It wouldn't surprise me if Caylee and Lee are both turning on each other to retaliate for statements that have been made about the other...

[jammies]

I just saw the tail end of a report on Nancy Grace. Apparently Lee's attorney said that Lee will probably be charged with a criminal act regarding Caylee. Did anybody else see this? If so, what's the story?


We don't know yet, Sun, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's more than deleting pics and other things off CA's computer.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I suggest that Lenny go home. How many bites at the apple does he get?? How many theories has he supposed. the dumpster, the place near the airport, the pond, etc. to accuse the Meter Man of collusion with someone is the last straw. None of his surmises has been fact.. Why is he still being invited.

Apparently the ratings are good - why change a winning formula for the sake of pesky little facts? That's Entertainment!!!
jmho

[mosey2]

He supposedly gave a reporter a little "peek" at the video. No one else has seen it AFAIK.

I'm not concerned about her not being there. I am more interested in what the Anthony's private investigator was doing there in November.'Zactly. The world is a big place. Anthonys suspected Caylee in PR, North Carolina, California, New York, etc. Why, then was he filming 1/2 mile from the house unless they and he knew, and would use the pics later to "prove" Casey couldnt have moved the body while in jail. Enter Lee?
Its obvious the Anthony camp knew of, or at least suspected, Caylees whereabouts

[Elfinrow]

LOL. I know it was there Elfinrow. What I mean about the mystery is that it got a reputation from quite some years back about the psychoactive properties that kind of stuck to it as an exotic tale but I don't think you can find modern absinthe that has those properties. I stand to be corrected for sure.

Yes it's legal now and there are actually two brands that are very potent. Lavenia, I guess early on in this case I thought that maybe the chloroform had something to do with her trying to make Abs, I was on that for a bit, then we found out about the neckbreaking and other searches and I was totally off "an accident" happening in this case that was covered up.

I think that the radio broadcasters have it right: That she was drugged, often as happens in child porn usually the child is drugged to make them more compliant. This isnt common knowledge. It's sick to have to know this, but its a fact and most in LE know this. The photos, the empty apartment the drug use, and yes Casey was "smoking pot" but what else was she doing? We dont know, yet.

I guess since I heard that broadcast, it really helped put things into perspective for me in this case. I think that she tampered a lot with her body after the fact, I still think she may have wrapped her up to stop fluids from leaking out all over the place. I think that the photos in this case, are going to be main evidence linking casey to her body and how she was killed. If she was drugging her and dropping her off at an apt that was being used for photography, and something went wrong that would also explain why she wasnt clothed. If those are also the facts. I dont think we are clear on that but from what I've read and heard, she wasnt clothed. Why? Well, this is all ugly but it ties into exactly what the experts were talking about on the monkeys blog radio.....the cellophane and how amy was wrapped though, to me that will cinch this for LE. Absolutely, it will prove that Casey wrapped her up, just like she did Amy that night for the party.

I know that for the most part many of us have not wanted to discuss this in this case. To me, this case is unfolding in this direction as of last week. Officially, esp just now having Cnn say that Lee may face charges, and serious ones, of abuse and acessory and they were talking about before she ever died. He knows, I and I know he knows exactly what was going on and what Casey was doing for a living.
And I think THIS is what made GEORGE A THROW UP. IT WAS NOT
pictures of his daugter pole dancing, it was much much worse than that. This just may be what Cindy and George have been trying to cover up. It is very upsetting information actually.

[jammies]

It wouldn't surprise me if Caylee and Lee are both turning on each other to retaliate for statements that have been made about the other...


Many of us have predicted they would all turn on eachother in the end. Can't see GA and CA bonding together either. Not after reading the emails from Granny, Rick and the other aunt.

[AJandTam]

Very welcome AJ, and good to see you too.

That particular interview is very interesting after all this time.

Cindy still in the lead - George in the background. Cindy saying me me me all the time, not WE.

And she just brags on what a wonderful kid Casey always was and what a great mother she is. We KNOW she didn't believe that now.

Bchand. I just got to watch that video again. You are right. Very interesting video. She talks about seeing Caylee again and some other sensitive stuff concerning Caylee. But not a tear in her eye. And she shakes her head w/more intensity when she says, "I don't want to lose both of my children".

[mosey2]

We don't know yet, Sun, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's more than deleting pics and other things off CA's computer.Remember that it took Lee 2 hours to go to Tony's and retreive Caseys computer for LE in the wee hours of July 16 -Midnight til 2am.
2 hours?

[Cury-us Coyote]

He supposedly gave a reporter a little "peek" at the video. No one else has seen it AFAIK.

I'm not concerned about her not being there. I am more interested in what the Anthony's private investigator was doing there in November.

Wasn't it reported Hoover is usually around and always has camera?
ummmmmmmm

[AJandTam]

Lee Anthony's attorney due up next on Greta's show. (Someone else is subbing for Greta.)

Lee's attorney has certainly found the cameras. Look at him go..

[101Spots]

........

I think that the radio broadcasters have it right: That she was drugged, often as happens in child porn usually the child is drugged to make them more compliant. This isnt common knowledge. It's sick to have to know this, but its a fact and most in LE know this. The photos, the empty apartment the drug use, and yes Casey was "smoking pot" but what else was she doing? We dont know, yet.

.........

And I think THIS is what made GEORGE A THROW UP. IT WAS NOT
pictures of his daugter pole dancing, it was much much worse than that. This just may be what Cindy and George have been trying to cover up. It is very upsetting information actually.

The only thing that makes me hesitate to go this route is that LE told George that there were pictures of Casey. They did *not* say there were pictures of Caylee. If there were pictures of Caylee, I don't think George would have made it out of the room before ralphing up lunch.

[enigma]

Yes that is one of the sites for sure, lol. Gah that name. But anyway yes the Great Green Fairy bottle was right there along with all the red cups lined up on the kitchen counter, next to the bottle. I dont know when or if ever the mainstream media is going to pick this up but that substance WAS being used at those parties, it was there on the counter clear as day, I read the label. Did you save the photos of amy to your drive of her in cellophane? I have the abs photo somewhere but I have no idea in what folder I put it. I have thousands of photos, so I've had some trouble locating it. Rest assured, they were drinking it. I would like to know how often CaseyA indulged in the Fairy for sure.

No! I just went to have a look after I posted before, and I was wrong. I had saved the links to many photos from LV's Myspace, but of course can't see them now.

What I downloaded are the photos/graphic files released by LE a while back, presumably those that were deleted from her 'puter and then recovered. There are LOTS and LOTS of them, including the one with the cartoon of a little girl who asks "Momma, why do people kill people to show other people that killing people is wrong?" Not sure if I got the words exactly right, but YIKES!!

[AJandTam]

Do we have access to the pics the PI supposedly took on Nov 15th showing Caylee not being there?
Wasnt the area underwater at that time? She may have floated out, then back with the "tide"

Hey YOU.... How are ya tonight? Good to see you.

No pic's as of yet, that i've seen. The news of this just came out this afternoon.

[Elfinrow]

We don't know yet, Sun, but I have a sneaking suspicion that it's more than deleting pics and other things off CA's computer.

Yep, I dont want to quote Jean on NG tonight exactly but she said charges of abuse, child abuse or knowledge of child abuse and worse.
I think he is going to be charged. Then again, I think the night that the Anthony's were fingerprinted, that they were actually being booked. I think that; I really do. I dont know if anyone else thought that, but for sure the night they were fingerprinted? And their atty made all these media appearances for them? I really felt in my gut that most likely they were booked on some charge. Nothing has come out yet but I think soon documents and arrests will happen. I dont know about most of you here but I've felt pretty sick about this case, all during the xmas holiday. I know I've thought of this child, every single day since July 16th when the news of it broke.
I think that the Anthony's attitude and actions are going to hang them, and I cannot feel sorry for them at all because of the things they did, after the fact. I believe it was their intent to try badly to make this a missing child case, the t shirts, the buttons, even finally carrying around a stuffed animal. oh how McCann like it was for Cindy......
And I believe it was all very carefully orchestrated in Cindy As mind....to do anything and everything she could to save both her children. I've thought that from the very beginning. So I too dont post any of these things in "hatred" of the anthony's but only based on their actions, after the fact. After they smelled her body in that car.
After they knew, that they smelled her dead body. What they did, in public, was truly horrific and unforgivable, to me. That's just me.

[Janz]

The only thing that makes me hesitate to go this route is that LE told George that there were pictures of Casey. They did *not* say there were pictures of Caylee. If there were pictures of Caylee, I don't think George would have made it out of the room before ralphing up lunch.

IA with you, Spots, but I am so curious about what exactly Lee did remove from that laptop. I find it very hard to watch videos of him, I`m always reminded of the strange and chilling laugh of his when he speaks of the decomp smell in the car.

[nana2]

what empty apartment keeps being referred to??

TIA

[jammies]

Remember that it took Lee 2 hours to go to Tony's and retreive Caseys computer for LE in the wee hours of July 16 -Midnight til 2am.
2 hours?


Yep. Where else did he go and what else did he do?

[mosey2]

Hey YOU.... How are ya tonight? Good to see you.

No pic's as of yet, that i've seen. The news of this just came out this afternoon.Howdy Tam! Missing you in WA.

I am reminded by reading of a message Casey left for someone on her Myspace on June 21-
"Threatened to kill someone last night. Good times"
Do you remember who she left it to. Ryan?

[kaelieanne]

This guy is unreal.

Speaking about why he says Lee has cooperated when law enforcement had to subpoena his fingerprints...

Velez-Mitchell asked 'how is that cooperating?

Luka answered 'it is & it isn't.'

True story. I just watched him say it.


In a backwards kind of way. :crying: (Emphasis mine.)

[Lavenia]

what empty apartment keeps being referred to??

TIA

The one Casey said Zenaida lived in that wasn't occupied.

[Oregongal]

Oh you too Mrs Hudson, so many of you here have been so devoted to this case and this child. To her memory and trying to preserve that. I know that so many people want to believe that these are just regular grieving grandparents and a loving family. But what is so horrible is that we have so much information published and reported even in affidavit that proves otherwise. And that is the horror of this story, what Caylee's life was really like. What she was really living was some kind of hell.
A good example of that is how Casey does not respond to her when she is behind that video camera. It's chilling. I think there are certain aspects of this case I will never forget. Not ever. Especially Casey's smile and cocky walk as she walked in head held high, into custody with her cheap target football shirt on that day.

Great post Elf!
I do want so bad to believe the Ant's are just regular grieving grandparents. I just can't think they are 'regular'. Grieving...yes NOW that Caylee has been proven to be dead.
But, I have to add that when they...or Cindy would say way before this that they were grieving grandparents, I wondered why she said they were grieving if they, as they continue to spew to the public, they believed Caylee was alive?
I can see them saying how distraught they were she was missing. I can see them saying how life is not the same and they were having trouble functioning until she was found. I can see many other things they could have said if they truly believed she was alive and missing.
But, grieving? Sorry, to me that says they knew Caylee was dead and they truly were grieving her loss.
Not a temporary, she could be back any minute loss. A loss that was permanent. Caylee never would be back loss.
Every time I heard that 'we are grieving grandparents' from Cindy I felt a wrench in my gut and felt they knew more than they were or ever would say. Regular. Nope. This family is not regular and/or normal in any way.
I find it strange that now they have a totally true reason to openly grieve, we've heard not a word from them personally.
Is this just another way of them trying to play 'regular'?
If this is the reason, I'm seeing their action of non action. Speaking only thru their attorney as too little too late.
Of course to my eyes, nothing is regular or normal with this family.
And I realize and admit it's clouded my feelings about them.
As I said, I believe they are now most likely truly grieving, but I also think they are trying to clean up/erase their past words, actions and behaviors.
Again, too little, too late.

[kaelieanne]

\


As my now retired family attorney always used to say, Court is not about the truth. It's about who the best actors are and what props they can bring to the play.

Ohhhhh man... is that ever the truth!

[aubrey04]

Either Lee has one of the crudiest lawyers around ~ worse than Baez.. or there might be some real talk about Lee being charged. One or the other, imo. Why would his lawyer go on TV spouting all that out? I've said it before in my posts.. there have been a lot of speculations from the media and from posters that George and/or Cindy could be charged.. but I haven't seen a lot stating they think Lee will be charged..until NOW.

So why would his lawyer, Mr. Luka, even bring that up? I can think of two reasons either:

1. He wants face time with the media and he's using this to garner publicity..

or

2. LE might be gearing up to charge Lee.

jmo

[mosey2]

what empty apartment keeps being referred to??

TIAApt 210. But the apartment on the 1st floor and across from 210 was also vacant, it was the "show" apt. I have often though Casey broke in and spent the night there, which is why she was privy to the conversation the apt employee had with ZG, and was able to gain access to the guest card.

[101Spots]

Was that the same interview that George did up his lunch?

Yup. But he made it out of the room, after thinking about it for a while. Had Caylee been mentioned to be on those pictures, I don't think there would have been any lag time at all. Barf-o-rama right then and there.

[jammies]

Thats when we think he purged her computer, but he would have had to do it from somewhere. He said it was dead with a virus.


Yes, I know. I just don't think that's ALL LE is investigating. LE has known that from the start. We put two and two together months ago. I believe his lawyer all over the airwaves is about something different or in addition to purging the puter.

[steffaroob4]

Thats when we think he purged her computer, but he would have had to do it from somewhere. He said it was dead with a virus.

But I always thought the office that picked up casey's cell phone from Tony's that night saw it in blue screen mode and so did Tony.

I have always believed, that when CA told her to get your stuff, she went straight to the laptop and deleted all the operating files. Why else would she not take her cell phone with her, she was too busy trying to fry her comp.

[AJandTam]

IA with you, Spots, but I am so curious about what exactly Lee did remove from that laptop. I find it very hard to watch videos of him, I`m always reminded of the strange and chilling laugh of his when he speaks of the decomp smell in the car.

I never saw that information. Do you know where I can see it now?

[aubrey04]

Remember that it took Lee 2 hours to go to Tony's and retreive Caseys computer for LE in the wee hours of July 16 -Midnight til 2am.
2 hours?

Yup. I certainly recall that. I remember it being discussed at length too. Something is hinky there, imo.

[101Spots]

Great post Elf!
I do want so bad to believe the Ant's are just regular grieving grandparents. I just can't think they are 'regular'. <snipped>



The only way those two are "regular" is with Metamucil.

[Elfinrow]

No! I just went to have a look after I posted before, and I was wrong. I had saved the links to many photos from LV's Myspace, but of course can't see them now.

What I downloaded are the photos/graphic files released by LE a while back, presumably those that were deleted from her 'puter and then recovered. There are LOTS and LOTS of them, including the one with the cartoon of a little girl who asks "Momma, why do people kill people to show other people that killing people is wrong?" Not sure if I got the words exactly right, but YIKES!!

Me too there were so many, and I remember the day I started to copy and paste. It was very early in the case, and I copied what I could, mostly though I was looking at Casey's behavior so I didnt grab the most important photo of all. I thought I had it and I've checked thousands of files and folders and odd names that I may have renamed as I DL that night. I took the ones mainly of Casey that showed a party animal. And the ones that showed she had no problem being naked, on film or in photos. Esp the one of her butt lol. I had three named AmyH and two of them are blank when I pull them up in photoshop. Im still scratching my head over that. And If I have time tomorrow I will look further for the abs photo because I KNOW i grabbed it too, at that time I thought wow they were serving abs at the party, nice large bottle of it too, the little sugar cubes, the whole set up so I knew it was an important pic. I just have so many. Problem is, I also hoped early on that she would be found and was just lost, and I didnt have the photos in a case file like I do now. ARG!!!

If anyone has that photo of the Abs on the counter or the one of AmyH please PM me it if you dont mind. I have all the other party ones, and I guess also at the time I grabbed photos trying to ID all the guys in the case, remember it was brandon then snow then hawkins then just the marine at first we didnt know who was who and two tony's one tone and my lord. There was so much info being released in this case. I've saved a lot of it to my drive, and yes I also DL the myspace banners that she liked. There are also two that are not talked about much. One is of the apple that is rotted away into the shape of an apple, (quite ironic and sick btw) and another about oral sex, which led me to believe she may not be Hetrosexual. These were just my personal observations everyone. As a heterosexual woman I would not use a banner on myspace that said I liked to perform a certain act; unless I was bi sexual or otherwise. So there are two other bumperstickers that I found to be profound. The apple is one that really bothers me.
Do most of you have that bumpersticker? Its of a rotten apple, in the shape of a head, skeltonized. :(

[Lavenia]

The only way those two are "regular" is with Metamucil.

Oh no you di'int! :laugh:

[Janz]

I never saw that information. Do you know where I can see it now?

About the laugh? It was in one of his early interviews with LE.

[101Spots]

Either Lee has one of the crudiest lawyers around ~ worse than Baez.. or there might be some real talk about Lee being charged. One or the other, imo. Why would his lawyer go on TV spouting all that out? I've said it before in my posts.. there have been a lot of speculations from the media and from posters that George and/or Cindy could be charged.. but I haven't seen a lot stating they think Lee will be charged..until NOW.

So why would his lawyer, Mr. Luka, even bring that up? I can think of two reasons either:

1. He wants face time with the media and he's using this to garner publicity..

or

2. LE might be gearing up to charge Lee.

jmo

ITA. If my lawyer went on national TV and said, "Spots is going to be charged with XXXX," I'd have one of two reactions.

(a) I'd be on my phone directly to the lawyer, asking "WHF???"

(b) I'd be on a plane to Timbuktu.

This guy ain't too swift, legal-wise.

[rj1212]

I'm sure you meant Casey, I was thinking about this the other day, when talking to Lee, Casey says this should have been done a long time ago (about calling the cops). I think she has been fed up for awhile, has hated her life and is pretty darn happy where she is, she sleeps, reads, no mom, dad, Caylee, pulling at her.

Yes...I meant Casey. Sorry about that.
I think you're right concerning the rest of your post.

[AJandTam]

Howdy Tam! Missing you in WA.

I am reminded by reading of a message Casey left for someone on her Myspace on June 21-
"Threatened to kill someone last night. Good times"
Do you remember who she left it to. Ryan?

Miss ya too.

Nah, I don't remember..

[Boxer]

I'm just hoping for a padillaless 2009

[Oregongal]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

It's the 'style' now of men his age? It's hot in Florida?
Because he stupidly thought LE wouldn't be able to get a hair sample from him?
I know which reason I pick, what about you?

[nana2]

The one Casey said Zenaida lived in that wasn't occupied.

oh jeeze

thanks for replying

[Lavenia]

I'm just hoping for a padillaless 2009

One can dream...

[aubrey04]

ITA. If my lawyer went on national TV and said, "Spots is going to be charged with XXXX," I'd have one of two reactions.

(a) I'd be on my phone directly to the lawyer, asking "WHF???"

(b) I'd be on a plane to Timbuktu.

This guy ain't too swift, legal-wise.

Me too. This guy is horrible. He stumbles over his words and mixes things up. Granted not everyone is good at public speaking but FGS ~ he's a lawyer.

This guy must be in it for publicity and not to actually help Lee Anthony out. Luka makes Baez look like Johnny Cochran.

[mosey2]

It's the 'style' now of men his age? It's hot in Florida?
Because he stupidly thought LE wouldn't be able to get a hair sample from him?
I know which reason I pick, what about you?Uhmm, Golly gee. I was gonna pick #1 til I saw it was only 68 degrees in Orlando, so I'll go with #2 for 1,000, Alex.

LOL

[panokatana]

A little O/T. Wow! Just catching tonight's NG episode...and I have to say...What a pleasure it is, watching Jean as the guest host. She seems well informed about the case, uses the appropriate emotional responses, lets her guest speak without interruption. When NG's face appeared in the screenshot...it scared me! :) I didn't realize how much NG (and JVM) grated on my nerves until I saw a classier act.

JMO

[nana2]

Apt 210. But the apartment on the 1st floor and across from 210 was also vacant, it was the "show" apt. I have often though Casey broke in and spent the night there, which is why she was privy to the conversation the apt employee had with ZG, and was able to gain access to the guest card.

so you think Casey was actually in the apt when Zanaida was viewing it?

[AJandTam]

About the laugh? It was in one of his early interviews with LE.


Thanks Janz.
Yes, that came out before I was following this case, I think. I was on vacation for the first few weeks. I have heard about it, but never seen it..

[Hey Paula]

Either Lee has one of the crudiest lawyers around ~ worse than Baez.. or there might be some real talk about Lee being charged. One or the other, imo. Why would his lawyer go on TV spouting all that out? I've said it before in my posts.. there have been a lot of speculations from the media and from posters that George and/or Cindy could be charged.. but I haven't seen a lot stating they think Lee will be charged..until NOW.

So why would his lawyer, Mr. Luka, even bring that up? I can think of two reasons either:

1. He wants face time with the media and he's using this to garner publicity..

or

2. LE might be gearing up to charge Lee.

jmo

I think Lee's lawyer is coming forward publicly to diminish the severity of charge by stating it covers a broad range of offenses.

Ever since I heard Lee refused to give LE a sample of his DNA and take a LDT, I thought he was concerned about something, should Caylee's remains be found. So now I'm not surprised that he might face charges.

IMO

[msgatorslayer]

It's the 'style' now of men his age? It's hot in Florida?
Because he stupidly thought LE wouldn't be able to get a hair sample from him?
I know which reason I pick, what about you?

He's shaving that grey right outta his hair!!:laugh:

[kennedy06]

I agree Pano, it was a much better show tonight, sorry NG.

[101Spots]

Me too. This guy is horrible. He stumbles over his words and mixes things up. Granted not everyone is good at public speaking but FGS ~ he's a lawyer.

This guy must be in it for publicity and not to actually help Lee Anthony out. Luka makes Baez look like Johnny Cochran.

I'm beginning to believe that "pro bono" really means "putting up with a bunch of moo-poo so I can cash in after I sell you down the river."

[mosey2]

so you think Casey was actually in the apt when Zanaida was viewing it?I do. We know for certain that she was at the Sawgrass the day ZG was looking at 210. In Tonys Jeep. Where else would she get the info? Casey attached roommates names to Z's 2 children
Jasmin became Jennifer
Michelle became Raquell

[Janz]

Thanks Janz.
Yes, that came out before I was following this case, I think. I was on vacation for the first few weeks. I have heard about it, but never seen it..

YVW, Tam. I don`t think I will ever forget that sound. I`t could have just been a nervous response, but I don`t think so...

[AJandTam]

ITA. If my lawyer went on national TV and said, "Spots is going to be charged with XXXX," I'd have one of two reactions.

(a) I'd be on my phone directly to the lawyer, asking "WHF???"

(b) I'd be on a plane to Timbuktu.

This guy ain't too swift, legal-wise.

I am laughing at that one 101 Spot. ITA.

[101Spots]

He's shaving that grey right outta his hair!!:laugh:


Everywhere???

<snort>

[shelbar53]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

what, did lee go bald, i want to see pics of that.

[AJandTam]

I think Lee's lawyer is coming forward publicly to diminish the severity of charge by stating it covers a broad range of offenses.

Ever since I heard Lee refused to give LE a sample of his DNA and take a LDT, I thought he was concerned about something, should Caylee's remains be found. So now I'm not surprised that he might face charges.

IMO

Hi, Hey Paula.. another great hat to see tonight..

I agree, he sparked some interest early on, however, I thought it was about something else, not the murder of Caylee. Now i'm just bracing myself, thinking. Oh my, here we go. What exactly has he done. The charges being thrown out there right now by his own lawyer. .. Yowza..

[msgatorslayer]

Everywhere???

<snort>

LMAO, Can't help but notice what the Anthony gene does to the male hair color.

[mosey2]

"Lee Anthony - spend donation money on a PI and at some point had him film the area that included the utility easement of the 8900 block of Suburban Drive."

From: http://fuzygenius.wordpress.com/2008/12/29/lee-anthony-short-and-to-the-point-may-we-ask-why-casey-anthony-investigation/
__________________________________________________ _

Lee hired the Camera-happy PI from Caylee donations??

[enigma]

<SNIPPED>

Do most of you have that bumpersticker? Its of a rotten apple, in the shape of a head, skeltonized. :(

I certainly remember seeing it and having similar thoughts to yours. I'll go see if I have it. brb

[AJandTam]

YVW, Tam. I don`t think I will ever forget that sound. I`t could have just been a nervous response, but I don`t think so...

Where are Lynn Gweeny and Bchand?? They are my link girls.. :wub: them. I'd love to see this interview.. I can't never find what i'm looking for..

[Elfinrow]

Yup. I certainly recall that. I remember it being discussed at length too. Something is hinky there, imo.

Doesnt anyone else have the photo of Casey all drunk and all over Lee? I have that one as well, and I know for months I thought, oh no that must be a date or tone or tony or someone else, it's not Lee. But you know what, it is Lee. And Casey is on his lap in his neck, with a beer in one hand and I think her arm swung out with the beer, I guess I DL what disturbed me in this case. When I was looking for the no clothes photo, I came across that photo again last night and sat there thinking the same thing, wow that cant be her and Lee, right? But it is.

I am going to log off now, but its good to see that so many of you still care about the case and about this child. If this case does take the horrible turn to child porn and it's confirmed, and Lee is arrested on charges of abuse as well, it's going to be really hard for people to take.
Im not trying to promote or sway anyone to go to another site or board, or anything like that but if you are following this case seriously you should listen to the broadcast of last sunday on the monkeys site. They are good people there, and have years of investigative exp as well like many of you here do. they also addressed what the heck cnn is doing using LP still in this case. I was like "woooot" when I heard THAT....

I dont either want to post what I think about the meter reader. I have mixed feelings, and thoughts, and will have to wait and see what unfolds as far as Lee's charges, and what Casey A was really doing for a living. I hope I am wrong. I want to be wrong about this. I dont want for Caylee to have been subjected to anything like this, she isnt even my child and of course, that mother protection/mamma bear comes out and tears spring up to think that may be the truth. We all know that Casey was afraid of something, or so she said. Could it be true, if she was involved in a child porn ring of some kind, that she could have some major fears as to them or that being uncovered and all of it coming to light? It's something to think about. It's awful. What part of anything Casey A said, was truth, what part was fabricated? And the most important question battered around in my home, regarding this case:
What kind of people are these anyway?? And What were they all really trying to cover up, besides Caylee herself? The very fact there has been no funeral for her yet is one of the most painful disrespectful things, that I've ever seen. Well that is what I feel. I appreciate any of you listening to how I feel or think of this case. I appreciate many of you and your views. I just think that greta and cnn as well need to use only the very best experts in this case, take the circus out of it and take that tent down. Because this was a child life, not a circus.
Im glad that Jean was there tonight to report on this case because she is a very good reporter. I think that Caylee Anthony deserved better.
So now in death at least give her the very best. Even if it's just discussing the case in the media. How will cnn or other outlets cover this case if the child porn is a proven fact in the case? Maybe it will take a case like this to really crack down on it, because it is SO PREVALANT in our society. Accepted almost. People turn a blind eye.
We should do just the opposite.

[AJandTam]

Trying to catch up here.

I am totally aghast at that Luka guy!!!!
What kind of a mouthpiece makes a backhanded prediction like THAT?....Lee oughta fire him!

although casey's isn't much better.

these attorneys I tell you...!!!


cindy and Georges is the lesser of the bigmouths. And He isn't that graceful either.


MY OPINIOn.

I know, here all of this time, I always thought the defense attorney's always told thier CLIENTS to keep thier mouth shut.. Here someone has to tell the attorney's to keep thier mouth shut.. Or... We are in for some big news soon, and the attorney's have to try and soften the "Bombshells" before they hit the airwaves..

[suso3280]

It's the 'style' now of men his age? It's hot in Florida?
Because he stupidly thought LE wouldn't be able to get a hair sample from him?
I know which reason I pick, what about you?
************************************************
Or perhaps he didn't want hair falling out on a crime scene that his sister disclosed to him and he got nosey and went there himself?

Good evening all...I've missed so much tonight, lots of catch-up to do, THEN, NG show had me "turning blue" until they call on Sue Moss for her expert opinion on SOMETHING!!!
I absolutely adore hearing her reply to the questions, and the way she has with rhymes, :biggrin: They wait until the very last of the show to ask her about Lee's atty. She say's (he's hiding something, for they protesteth too much)not quoted...but something like that.

I do , however, like hearing Dr Pherpher(?sp) opinions. He is obviously pro prosecution.

One more observation, DUCT TAPE!!:biggrin:Everytime I have EVER used that stuff, it's so sticky, I cannot tear it evenly, and I have to use my teeth to tear it, leaving saliva(DNA) then it folds over and sticks to itself, and I know fingerprints are all over it.
I am hoping and praying that dumb liar CA didn't think of gloves, because her whole hand prints will be somewhere on that tape.XXXcrossing my fingers and toesXXX

and I hope they GIVE SUE MOSS HER OWN SHOW!!!!!so she doesn't have to sit there for 58 minutes waiting to get 15 seconds to comment...Suso((duct taping my fingers so I shut up):blink:

[OneUp]

Hiya Peeps! I obviously haven't been posting much...Holidays are hard and all my energies go towards giving my family good memories...I HAVE been reading along a bit and following the news on Caylee's case as things unfold.
I'm not a bit surprised with the way things are unfolding. I thought there were varying degree's of familial involvement since early on...and the lawyering up/public statements about cooperation and charges seem to support that. *sigh* this is just so depressing...knowing it all centers around a precious child who lost her life.
I was talking to a friend earlier tonight about how "emotionally intelligent" Caylee seemed for her age, evidenced only by the video in which she asks ..."Are you tired PaPa?" of her Great Grandfather. To me, that seems very aware for a not quite three year old, and leads me to *guess* that she may have been very aware of the needs and emotions of others and more in tune with others than most her age. If so, I can imagine what life was like for her...living in a house of strife, manipulation, and emotional cruelty...none of which needed to be directed AT her to be hurtful TO her.
I HURT every time I think that any of her family could turn a blind eye to her needs or her discomfort...to think of them actually being complicit in her death/the disposal of her tiny self is torturous. I keep HOPING that they are all just lying to everyone including themselves, and that the lies are their worst crimes. But the more I see and hear, the less faith I have in that hope.
This year...I "sent" a prayer and a thought for Christmas to Caylee AND Tia...and a thanks that neither will know fear or suffering THIS Holiday season. Both of these precious girls are now beyond such things...but It's so wrong that they are also beyond the many joys and blessings that this time of year should hold for all children.
Several children are blessed this year in the names of Tia and Caylee with a little help from my family...so maybe the joy has been spread to little ones who still need hapiness in this life.
JMO.

[Oregongal]

LOL. I know it was there Elfinrow. What I mean about the mystery is that it got a reputation from quite some years back about the psychoactive properties that kind of stuck to it as an exotic tale but I don't think you can find modern absinthe that has those properties. I stand to be corrected for sure.

ETA: again the wikipedia link: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

I think the absinthe these days only has the attraction to the young men and women is mostly because it is illegal in the US.
And the 'rumors/stories' they have heard about it having hallucinigentic (sp? sorry) properties have made it all that more attractive.
IIRC long ago, the original absinthe did have these properties, which is why it was banned in the US as in other countries. But, I believe that any absinthe that is aquired even illegally no longer fits the original formula.
I think it does have a very high proof of alcohol tho.
If my memory and thinking is wrong, I would appreciate anyone letting me know.
I just am remembering long ago....well, not THAT long ago...when absinthe was spoken about in hushed tones. Just as mescal tequilla was. OOOoooo, really bad (good) stuff, that was supposed to be more of a drug than an alchohol. In the same way that swallowing the worm in mescal would bring you to a high you could equate to LSD. Pffft!
The things we believe when we are young.
:smile:

[nana2]

I do. We know for certain that she was at the Sawgrass the day ZG was looking at 210. In Tonys Jeep. Where else would she get the info? Casey attached roommates names to Z's 2 children
Jasmin became Jennifer
Michelle became Raquell

wow, I did wonder how she got her name but was that before the 16th? because I cant see her keeping Caylee quiet to be able to "squat" in a vacant apt <shudder>

[steffaroob4]

I'm just hoping for a padillaless 2009

priceless

I wish NG would have that kathi B. on, she is sharp on facts.

[mosey2]

Does anyone have a link to the no-clothes party that shoes the Absynthe (sp) bottle? TIA

[Elfinrow]

I certainly remember seeing it and having similar thoughts to yours. I'll go see if I have it. brb

I sure have it and Oh yes Lee's intvs are on wftv or wesh.com either site I think still has them up. His interview about smelling her body in that garage is something that I railed against when I wrote about it after it was released. Totally inappropriate behavior, it was horrible. Just as was Casey smiling in court that day. Her true pathology to me was revealed in those moments she was in the court room that day. I think that is why she refuses to show up for any hearing. She knows we can see right through her. And she is afraid. Only a chicken wouldnt show up for their own defense.

I have the apple bumpersticker too but I just havent uploaded any of the photos or info in this case to another site online. I think that the apple rotting is much more disturbing than the anti death penalty statement drawing....then again if she broke her neck and used that belt in the car to do it, the drawing could be just as important. Was she obbsessed early on with what caylees remains would turn into? Clearly she had that sitcker on her site. It is of a skeleton and it is of the head, not the body or otherwise. it really bothers me, as you all can see. :cursing:

[Lavenia]

I think the absinthe these days only has the attraction to the young men and women is mostly because it is illegal in the US.
And the 'rumors/stories' they have heard about it having hallucinigentic (sp? sorry) properties have made it all that more attractive.
IIRC long ago, the original absinthe did have these properties, which is why it was banned in the US as in other countries. But, I believe that any absinthe that is aquired even illegally no longer fits the original formula.
I think it does have a very high proof of alcohol tho.
If my memory and thinking is wrong, I would appreciate anyone letting me know.
I just am remembering long ago....well, not THAT long ago...when absinthe was spoken about in hushed tones. Just as mescal tequilla was. OOOoooo, really bad (good) stuff, that was supposed to be more of a drug than an alchohol. In the same way that swallowing the worm in mescal would bring you to a high you could equate to LSD. Pffft!
The things we believe when we are young.
:smile:

It's legally imported by 2 companies into the US now. (Absinthe)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe

[jammies]

Where are Lynn Gweeny and Bchand?? They are my link girls.. :wub: them. I'd love to see this interview.. I can't never find what i'm looking for..

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0925/17556680.mp3
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0925/17557019.mp3



I believe these are Lee's interview, Tam.

[mosey2]

wow, I did wonder how she got her name but was that before the 16th? because I cant see her keeping Caylee quiet to be able to "squat" in a vacant apt <shudder>Zanaida looked at 210 on June 17th. That is when Casey emailed her bro and said she was on surveillance, IIRC. Padilla said she was tooling around the apartments on this date. Sadly, Caylee was probably already dead, and in the trunk, IMO, and Casey was working on the future story/alibi.

[Lavenia]

Hiya Peeps! I obviously haven't been posting much...Holidays are hard and all my energies go towards giving my family good memories...I HAVE been reading along a bit and following the news on Caylee's case as things unfold.
I'm not a bit surprised with the way things are unfolding. I thought there were varying degree's of familial involvement since early on...and the lawyering up/public statements about cooperation and charges seem to support that. *sigh* this is just so depressing...knowing it all centers around a precious child who lost her life.
I was talking to a friend earlier tonight about how "emotionally intelligent" Caylee seemed for her age, evidenced only by the video in which she asks ..."Are you tired PaPa?" of her Great Grandfather. To me, that seems very aware for a not quite three year old, and leads me to *guess* that she may have been very aware of the needs and emotions of others and more in tune with others than most her age. If so, I can imagine what life was like for her...living in a house of strife, manipulation, and emotional cruelty...none of which needed to be directed AT her to be hurtful TO her.
I HURT every time I think that any of her family could turn a blind eye to her needs or her discomfort...to think of them actually being complicit in her death/the disposal of her tiny self is torturous. I keep HOPING that they are all just lying to everyone including themselves, and that the lies are their worst crimes. But the more I see and hear, the less faith I have in that hope.
This year...I "sent" a prayer and a thought for Christmas to Caylee AND Tia...and a thanks that neither will know fear or suffering THIS Holiday season. Both of these precious girls are now beyond such things...but It's so wrong that they are also beyond the many joys and blessings that this time of year should hold for all children.
Several children are blessed this year in the names of Tia and Caylee with a little help from my family...so maybe the joy has been spread to little ones who still need hapiness in this life.
JMO.

It's great seeing you posting again OneUp! Beautiful post, as usual. Thank you for your thoughts.

[Elfinrow]

Does anyone have a link to the no-clothes party that shoes the Absynthe (sp) bottle? TIA

Mosey most of the links have been taken down that is the problem. I hope that most of you believe me, because I dont log in to post nonsense. It was a factor for me early on in this case, just the fact that this drug was being consumed, knowing that caylee was also in the vicinity of the bottle was really what got to me, knowing she was there at that party somewhere, asleep. and then knowing that well, maybe this was something, maybe this was casey's problem maybe she liked to use this drink and was a waste case or something.

I will continue to try to find the folder I put that photo in and will post it as soon as I find it. I guess they realized that it did look pretty bad, to have those photos all up online, blatant admission of using and all that...
It also isnt a substance that most would test for right off the bat. I thought it was sure important. I thought early on that LE would be all over that photo. And then in mainstream media? not one word about it. Not once. I'll keep looking because it's probably in a folder with a number on it, instead of noclothespartyamy1 or how I would label it as I DL it. Sorry I cant just throw it up online, it's really frustrating me.

[jammies]

Night, Elf. See you tomorrow. Appreciate your thoughts tonight.

[jammies]

************************************************
Or perhaps he didn't want hair falling out on a crime scene that his sister disclosed to him and he got nosey and went there himself?

Good evening all...I've missed so much tonight, lots of catch-up to do, THEN, NG show had me "turning blue" until they call on Sue Moss for her expert opinion on SOMETHING!!!
I absolutely adore hearing her reply to the questions, and the way she has with rhymes, :biggrin: They wait until the very last of the show to ask her about Lee's atty. She say's (he's hiding something, for they protesteth too much)not quoted...but something like that.

I do , however, like hearing Dr Pherpher(?sp) opinions. He is obviously pro prosecution.

One more observation, DUCT TAPE!!:biggrin:Everytime I have EVER used that stuff, it's so sticky, I cannot tear it evenly, and I have to use my teeth to tear it, leaving saliva(DNA) then it folds over and sticks to itself, and I know fingerprints are all over it.
I am hoping and praying that dumb liar CA didn't think of gloves, because her whole hand prints will be somewhere on that tape.XXXcrossing my fingers and toesXXX

and I hope they GIVE SUE MOSS HER OWN SHOW!!!!!so she doesn't have to sit there for 58 minutes waiting to get 15 seconds to comment...Suso((duct taping my fingers so I shut up):blink:


i have the same prob. with duct tape. I always mess it up and end up using scissors.

Love S Moss and her retorts! It was a good show tonight.

[AJandTam]

http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0925/17556680.mp3
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/0925/17557019.mp3



I believe these are Lee's interview, Tam.

Thank you, going to go watch real quick...:thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Absinthe


"Although absinthe was vilified, no evidence has shown it to be any more dangerous than ordinary liquor. Its psychoactive properties, apart from those of alcohol, had been much exaggerated."

[mosey2]

Mosey most of the links have been taken down that is the problem. I hope that most of you believe me, because I dont log in to post nonsense. It was a factor for me early on in this case, just the fact that this drug was being consumed, knowing that caylee was also in the vicinity of the bottle was really what got to me, knowing she was there at that party somewhere, asleep. and then knowing that well, maybe this was something, maybe this was casey's problem maybe she liked to use this drink and was a waste case or something.

I will continue to try to find the folder I put that photo in and will post it as soon as I find it. I guess they realized that it did look pretty bad, to have those photos all up online, blatant admission of using and all that...
It also isnt a substance that most would test for right off the bat. I thought it was sure important. I thought early on that LE would be all over that photo. And then in mainstream media? not one word about it. Not once. I'll keep looking because it's probably in a folder with a number on it, instead of noclothespartyamy1 or how I would label it as I DL it. Sorry I cant just throw it up online, it's really frustrating me.Hey Elf! No worries if you find it or not. It does add a new dimension to the case, though. And when I thought it couldnt get any worse, the psycho-mom-from-h377 is doing some bada$$ narcotics, too. It needs to be posted with details when you find it. Hopefully LE will catch wind of it. Thanks!

[nana2]

Zanaida looked at 210 on June 17th. That is when Casey emailed her bro and said she was on surveillance, IIRC. Padilla said she was tooling around the apartments on this date. Sadly, Caylee was probably already dead, and in the trunk, IMO, and Casey was working on the future story/alibi.

do you by chance have the link to their emails? not doubting you at all..just want to read their excange(s)

[Oregongal]

The only way those two are "regular" is with Metamucil.

For some reason my rolling laughing guy won't come up....insert him here!!!!
Thanks for the laugh, I needed it.
:thumbup:

[OneUp]

Thank you, going to go watch real quick...:thumbsup:Steel your nerves Tam...if you're watching the interviews with Lee A. He is as disturbed as his sister IMO. I can't see laughing, especially THAT laugh, when talking about the smell of a decomposed body that you KNOW is most likely your toddler niece. I have a problem myself with nervous laughter at inappropriate times, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that laugh......}}}}shiver{{{{is chilling. Also interesting, at NO TIME during the interview does he say or do anything that makes him seem nervous, so I can't see any nerves ONLY surfacing in his laugh. He infact, seems very at ease and jovial with LE. TOO at ease IMO. I think he feels in control and confident which aren't things I think anyone feels normally when a child is missing.
JMO.

[Oregongal]

Wasn't it reported Hoover is usually around and always has camera?
ummmmmmmm

Yep Cury, just tonight on JVM.
I also am ummmmmmmm.

[Hey Paula]

Hi, Hey Paula.. another great hat to see tonight..

I agree, he sparked some interest early on, however, I thought it was about something else, not the murder of Caylee. Now i'm just bracing myself, thinking. Oh my, here we go. What exactly has he done. The charges being thrown out there right now by his own lawyer. .. Yowza..

Hiya Tam!

If Lee is charged with "aiding and abetting" I believe this means he would have had knowledge of the crime, either before or after it was committed, and to have contributed in some way to its success either through actions, advice or financial support.

It's great to see you!

IMO

[AJandTam]

Steel your nerves Tam...if you're watching the interviews with Lee A. He is as disturbed as his sister IMO. I can't see laughing, especially THAT laugh, when talking about the smell of a decomposed body that you KNOW is most likely your toddler niece. I have a problem myself with nervous laughter at inappropriate times, so I was willing to give him the benefit of the doubt. But that laugh......}}}}shiver{{{{is chilling. Also interesting, at NO TIME during the interview does he say or do anything that makes him seem nervous, so I can't see any nerves ONLY surfacing in his laugh. He infact, seems very at ease and jovial with LE. TOO at ease IMO. I think he feels in control and confident which aren't things I think anyone feels normally when a child is missing.
JMO.

Listening now thanks to Jammie. I read transcripts on this before I think but never heard this wave...

[AJandTam]

Hiya Tam!

If Lee is charged with "aiding and abetting" I believe this means he would have had knowledge of the crime, either before or after it was committed, and to have contributed in some way to its success either through actions, advice or financial support.

It's great to see you!

IMO

We need you over here. I saw you a couple of times, but w/the holidays, i'm sure you have been busy..
Isn't aiding and abetting actually a reference to the crime itself?

[mosey2]

"This subject is getting complicated but yes traditional absinthe is illegal to sell. But given the thirst of Americans desire for absinthe the industry is finding a way to get it to the people.

There is a chemical in traditional absinthe called Thujone, this chemical is banned in food products by the FDA. This one chemical is what makes absinthe illegal to sell. Generally Thujone comes from an herb called wormwood that is used in the production process of absinthe.

Companies and the liquor industry have found that by filtering out this chemical they can legally sell their brand of absinthe in the USA."
From: http://www.greendevil.com/absinthe_us.html

[Oregongal]

Uhmm, Golly gee. I was gonna pick #1 til I saw it was only 68 degrees in Orlando, so I'll go with #2 for 1,000, Alex.

LOL

#2?
I think you meant #3......Ding, ding, ding!!!
:biggrin:

[Remy]

Good point, Remy.. :patriot:

Thanks Aubrey! Although, reading it back it was poorly written and should have read "her findings, based on her choice of diagnostic testing".

Oh well, it's late and I'm getting old.

[mosey2]

do you by chance have the link to their emails? not doubting you at all..just want to read their excange(s)I'll need to do some searching, Hold on...

[jammies]

Listening now thanks to Jammie. I read transcripts on this before I think but never heard this wave...


His laughter is just plain creepy. There is something so entirely "off" about their whole family. None of them seem "real" to me. There's a word I want but too tired to think...

[Cury-us Coyote]

CF13 News VIDEO

Tom Luka Interview
(hired 3 wks ago, in grey b/4 subpeona, fund, charges possibility, no offer of immunity yet, referred, rumors)
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LeeAnthonyAttorney_122920080 849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas%20Luka%20Interview

Lee Anthony Hires Attorney
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LeeAnthonyAttorney_122920080 849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas%20Luka%20Interview

Lee Anthony Hires Attorney
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/29/lee_anthony_hires_attorney.html

[Lavenia]

"This subject is getting complicated but yes traditional absinthe is illegal to sell. But given the thirst of Americans desire for absinthe the industry is finding a way to get it to the people.

There is a chemical in traditional absinthe called Thujone, this chemical is banned in food products by the FDA. This one chemical is what makes absinthe illegal to sell. Generally Thujone comes from an herb called wormwood that is used in the production process of absinthe.

Companies and the liquor industry have found that by filtering out this chemical they can legally sell their brand of absinthe in the USA."
From: http://www.greendevil.com/absinthe_us.html

Even the thujone doesn't have the properties that were once feared though even IF you could find an absinthe that contains it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thujone

[AJandTam]

His laughter is just plain creepy. There is something so entirely "off" about their whole family. None of them seem "real" to me. There's a word I want but too tired to think...

I agree, there is something "off" w/them all. I don't know how to say what I want to say either. For me, it's almost like all of these people just watch way to much tv. Maybe a tv version of reality?? I don't know it's all so bizzare..

[kaelieanne]

No disrespect to Baez , but I think the prosecution is going to give us that "AHA" moment.

Exactly what I was going to say, but didn't! :biggrin:

[steffaroob4]

CF13 News VIDEO

Tom Luka Interview
(hired 3 wks ago, in grey b/4 subpeona, fund, charges possibility, no offer of immunity yet, referred, rumors)
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LeeAnthonyAttorney_122920080 849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas%20Luka%20Interview

Lee Anthony Hires Attorney
http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=LeeAnthonyAttorney_122920080 849&cat=CAC&title=Thomas%20Luka%20Interview

Lee Anthony Hires Attorney
http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/29/lee_anthony_hires_attorney.html


WOW, thanks, he is something, I am just not sure what he is at this time. I am still trying to get over that daughter slip he made the other day.:scared:

[Oregongal]

He's shaving that grey right outta his hair!!:laugh:

:lol:
There ya go, a #4 reason.
LOL for some reason this made think of that song from South Pacific.... I'm going wash that man (DNA) right out of my hair.
:lol:
Now I'm gonna have that song stuck in my mind for hours.

[jammies]

Is it possible it was 'nervous' laughter?


My husband is a "laugher". He laughs when he makes a statement. He laughs all the time. At times it's annoying and it sometimes IS nervous laughter. It's also just a bizarre habit he has. But I KNOW he wouldn't laugh if he were in the same situation as Lee discussing decomp, etc.
When it's time to be serious, he gets VERY serious.

[Oregongal]

I'm beginning to believe that "pro bono" really means "putting up with a bunch of moo-poo so I can cash in after I sell you down the river."

Good one 101!!!
:thumbsup:

[OneUp]

Is it possible it was 'nervous' laughter?
IDK...I guess no one but Lee could say for certain...but given that none of his other mannerisms, speech tics, choice of verbage, and tones convey "nervous" to me, I'd say no.
I experience inappropriate nervous laughter myself...so I KNOW it happens and isn't readily controlled...but he doesn't "read" nervous to me in any way. Even the laugh has the wrong tone to my ears. thats all subjective though...but I will say I tend to have a "knack" for picking up on deception and true emotion in the spoken word.
Again, JMO.

[nc1948]

Oh you too Mrs Hudson, so many of you here have been so devoted to this case and this child. To her memory and trying to preserve that. I know that so many people want to believe that these are just regular grieving grandparents and a loving family. But what is so horrible is that we have so much information published and reported even in affidavit that proves otherwise. And that is the horror of this story, what Caylee's life was really like. What she was really living was some kind of hell.
A good example of that is how Casey does not respond to her when she is behind that video camera. It's chilling. I think there are certain aspects of this case I will never forget. Not ever. Especially Casey's smile and cocky walk as she walked in head held high, into custody with her cheap target football shirt on that day.

I will never forget a brother and sister high-fiving it in the court house when their daughter/niece is misplaced. The smirk on Caseys face was all I needed to see of her to tell me this woman has no feelings, no soul.

[Lavenia]

My husband is a "laugher". He laughs when he makes a statement. He laughs all the time. At times it's annoying and it sometimes IS nervous laughter. It's also just a bizarre habit he has. But I KNOW he wouldn't laugh if he were in the same situation as Lee discussing decomp, etc.
When it's time to be serious, he gets VERY serious.

Same here. I'm a laugher and a nervous one. But this would NOT EVER be a circumstance I would do so. I can't imagine.

[101Spots]

Is it possible it was 'nervous' laughter?

Sure!!!

And it's possible I'm a 24-year old 5'8" gorgeous blonde with a PhD in brain surgery and an IQ of 220.

[Oregongal]

Where are Lynn Gweeny and Bchand?? They are my link girls.. :wub: them. I'd love to see this interview.. I can't never find what i'm looking for..

Tam, Lynn is with her dad for the holidays, she'll be back after the New Year's holiday....unless she needs to stay longer with him.
Bc, is here I saw her earlier, but don't forget our darlin Cury who is also right on top of the links assignment.
Give a shout out for Cury, maybe before this posts she may have already posted a link for you.
:wub:

[Lavenia]

Sure!!!

And it's possible I'm a 24-year old 5'8" gorgeous blonde with a PhD in brain surgery and an IQ of 220.

Well it was nervous laughter then. :wink:

[enigma]

<SNIPPED>

I have the apple bumpersticker too but I just havent uploaded any of the photos or info in this case to another site online. I think that the apple rotting is much more disturbing than the anti death penalty statement drawing....then again if she broke her neck and used that belt in the car to do it, the drawing could be just as important. Was she obbsessed early on with what caylees remains would turn into? Clearly she had that sitcker on her site. It is of a skeleton and it is of the head, not the body or otherwise. it really bothers me, as you all can see. :cursing:

Yep, I found it. There are 6 pics of it:

"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala" created 26 June, 9.08 pm
"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala-1" created 26 June, 9.23 pm
"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala-1-1" 9.30 pm
"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala-1-1-1" 9.32 pm
"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala-1-1-1-1" 9.33 pm
"Apple_of_ Death_ by_Rajala-1-1-1-1-1" 9.34 pm

There are are also cartoons of skulls, 3 of them blackened bones with red/pink bows on the top of the head, created April 2007.

There are pictures of Caylee ("Caylee age 2")created July 16 2008.

There is a cartoon of a boy and girl that says "Those we meet change us forever", created 24 June.

There's lots more... I'm still looking as I've discovered several pics of Casey at parties, etc that I didn't see the first time I skimmed through the file...

[kaelieanne]

Does anyone know when Lee shaved his head the last time? TIA

Laughing here! Why would you want to know that? (And I'm being respectful with my question!)

[I'mRight]

I missed NG tonight, but from what I gather something is definitely up with Lee. I wish we were privy to all the evidence in this case. Hopefully more of it will break in the next few days.

[101Spots]

Well it was nervous laughter then. :wink:

You doubter, you!!!

[kaelieanne]

You're reading my mind Elf. When did he shave it, do you know?

AH HA! Gotcha now, Elf!!!

[AJandTam]

Sure!!!

And it's possible I'm a 24-year old 5'8" gorgeous blonde with a PhD in brain surgery and an IQ of 220.

:laugh: .........

[Lavenia]

You doubter, you!!!

:tonguewag::lol:

[Hey Paula]

We need you over here. I saw you a couple of times, but w/the holidays, i'm sure you have been busy..
Isn't aiding and abetting actually a reference to the crime itself?

Yes, that charge refers to the crime itself, but not necessarily while it's taking place, as I believe that would be more clearly defined as "accomplice".

As I previously posted, it has always concerned me that while Cindy and George voluntarily gave LE samples of their DNA and fingerprints, Lee refused until he was ordered by the Court to do so.

I wonder if his DNA/fingerprints were recovered from the crime scene or from items recovered with Caylee's remains? This seems reasonable inasmuch as the aiding and abetting charge is only now being seriously raised.

IMO

[101Spots]

:sneaky: so it is possible.

Nervous guilt.

Boy, nobody loves me.......

Well, I *am* blonde.

After a suitable application of chemicals.......

[Lavenia]

:sneaky: so it is possible.

Nervous guilt.

Ohhh everyone's got your number Spots! :tonguewag:

[AJandTam]

Tam, Lynn is with her dad for the holidays, she'll be back after the New Year's holiday....unless she needs to stay longer with him.
Bc, is here I saw her earlier, but don't forget our darlin Cury who is also right on top of the links assignment.
Give a shout out for Cury, maybe before this posts she may have already posted a link for you.
:wub:

Thanks Oregon.. Miss Lynn.. Saw Bch earlier. she must have left. Jammies gave me the link. Listening now..

[101Spots]

Ohhh everyone's got your number Spots! :tonguewag:

Can't blame a girl for trying.

I can see you're telling me to go to bed. Au revoir! I'm an addict and will return anon.

[AJandTam]

I missed NG tonight, but from what I gather something is definitely up with Lee. I wish we were privy to all the evidence in this case. Hopefully more of it will break in the next few days.

I am starting to think that we need to just line up everybodies lawyer and give them lights and a camera.. And we'll get all of the action we seek.. they love to talk. I tell ya...

[Lavenia]

Can't blame a girl for trying.

I can see you're telling me to go to bed. Au revoir! I'm an addict and will return anon.

I'm on your heels sweet thing! Good night all!

[OneUp]

I'm on your heels sweet thing! Good night all!
Ditto...looks like a good time to hit the hay and sleep on my thoughts until tomorrow.

[AJandTam]

Yes, that charge refers to the crime itself, but not necessarily while it's taking place, as I believe that would be more clearly defined as "accomplice".

As I previously posted, it has always concerned me that while Cindy and George voluntarily gave LE samples of their DNA and fingerprints, Lee refused until he was ordered by the Court to do so.

I wonder if his DNA/fingerprints were recovered from the crime scene or from items recovered with Caylee's remains? This seems reasonable inasmuch as the aiding and abetting charge is only now being seriously raised.

IMO

Thats what I think too Paula.. This is getting really weird. If they knew where the body was, why did they leave it there, along w/so much evidence?? I hate to think it but did they actually try to make this look like a real kidnapping? sounds crazy but we've seen so much crazy over the years.. Who knows?

[CC I See]

Remember that it took Lee 2 hours to go to Tony's and retreive Caseys computer for LE in the wee hours of July 16 -Midnight til 2am.
2 hours?

... at this point, unless he knew something about what happen why would he delete anything? On this night, his mother just found Casey to make her go home to find out what was going on. There is no reason at this point to start deleting her files on her computer since no one knew that Caylee was dead. But then, if he already knew......

[enigma]

More...

Pic of TonE & Casey, created 26 June 2008

Grey/white cartoon of little girl watching a red balloon in the form of a heart fly off in the wind, cartoon reads "There is always Hope", created 7 July 08

more pics of skulls in various forms

wall drawing of a girl, created 24 June

cartoon of apainting on a wall with a heart and a rosette ribbon that reads "With love and kisses; nothing lasts forever", created 26 June

pic logo of Cast Iron tatoo shop in Orlando, created 9 July (when did Casey get her tatoo again?)

..........

Oh, my!

[kaelieanne]

Is it possible it was 'nervous' laughter?


That's what I always thought, but it honestly made my skin craw.

[aubrey04]

priceless

I wish NG would have that kathi B. on, she is sharp on facts.

ITA~

Kathi Belich and Susan Moss are my favorite NG guests.. Belich is an investigative reporter and she's usually pretty good with spilling the rumors.

[aubrey04]

Same here. I'm a laugher and a nervous one. But this would NOT EVER be a circumstance I would do so. I can't imagine.

I start giggling when I am nervous too but I can't imagine laughing during those interviews. The mood was totally inappropriate for laughter, regardless of whether he was nervous or not. I guess I can still buy into it just being nervousness but talk about CREEPY..

That's what Lee's interviews were, imo.. just CREEPY.

:blink:

[norwood]

I thought I would post this link to MY Fox Orlando that has a lot of information and links on this case for everyone.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7130516&version=113&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

I have kept up with the board all day today and it looks like maybe some interesting developments are hovering and could break soon.


Going to watch the replay of NG now and tivo Greta's show to watch after that if I can stay awake.

[enigma]

Mosey most of the links have been taken down that is the problem. I hope that most of you believe me, because I dont log in to post nonsense. It was a factor for me early on in this case, just the fact that this drug was being consumed, knowing that caylee was also in the vicinity of the bottle was really what got to me, knowing she was there at that party somewhere, asleep. and then knowing that well, maybe this was something, maybe this was casey's problem maybe she liked to use this drink and was a waste case or something.

I will continue to try to find the folder I put that photo in and will post it as soon as I find it. I guess they realized that it did look pretty bad, to have those photos all up online, blatant admission of using and all that...
It also isnt a substance that most would test for right off the bat. I thought it was sure important. I thought early on that LE would be all over that photo. And then in mainstream media? not one word about it. Not once. I'll keep looking because it's probably in a folder with a number on it, instead of noclothespartyamy1 or how I would label it as I DL it. Sorry I cant just throw it up online, it's really frustrating me.

OK Elf, I found a pic from that party (created 27 May 08) where two guys are wearing plastic (looks like bubble wrap) wrapped around them and there's one girl in the pic, I think it's Amy, but she's wearing clothes. Normal clothes...

[jammies]

[QUOTE=aubrey04;12593053]I start giggling when I am nervous too but I can't imagine laughing during those interviews. The mood was totally inappropriate for laughter, regardless of whether he was nervous or not. I guess I can still buy into it just being nervousness but talk about CREEPY..

That's what Lee's interviews were, imo.. just CREEPY.

:blink:[/QUOTE


I PRAY all our questions are answered at trial otherwise we'll all go crazy.

With that, I best get some beauty sleep so I can compete with that ravishing beauty, 101spots.

Night all!

[rj1212]

I don't know how to start another thread, but don't you think it's time someone start a new one?

[enigma]

And there's the famous

La vita bella

sticker... (file created 26 June)

Spelled in Italian, if it is the one she used as a model for her tattoo.

[AJandTam]

I don't know how to start another thread, but don't you think it's time someone start a new one?

yes, give it a try Rj, Just go to the main page of this holiday forum. Look for the new thread button on the left side of your screen.. You will see it.

[Hey Paula]

Thats what I think too Paula.. This is getting really weird. If they knew where the body was, why did they leave it there, along w/so much evidence?? I hate to think it but did they actually try to make this look like a real kidnapping? sounds crazy but we've seen so much crazy over the years.. Who knows?

It doesn't sound crazy because I've thought of several possibilities, one of them being that they wanted it to appear as though Caylee were kidnapped. I felt that way after it was reported that Caylee's remains were found with tape on the mouth.

Another thought I had about the tape was that Casey drugged Caylee and put her in trunk of the car (where she couldn't be seen because her friends thought Caylee was with the nanny) with tape on her mouth so if she awoke before Casey was through partying that Caylee couldn't cry out or scream.

[Oregongal]

************************************************
Or perhaps he didn't want hair falling out on a crime scene that his sister disclosed to him and he got nosey and went there himself?

Good evening all...I've missed so much tonight, lots of catch-up to do, THEN, NG show had me "turning blue" until they call on Sue Moss for her expert opinion on SOMETHING!!!
I absolutely adore hearing her reply to the questions, and the way she has with rhymes, :biggrin: They wait until the very last of the show to ask her about Lee's atty. She say's (he's hiding something, for they protesteth too much)not quoted...but something like that.

I do , however, like hearing Dr Pherpher(?sp) opinions. He is obviously pro prosecution.

One more observation, DUCT TAPE!!:biggrin:Everytime I have EVER used that stuff, it's so sticky, I cannot tear it evenly, and I have to use my teeth to tear it, leaving saliva(DNA) then it folds over and sticks to itself, and I know fingerprints are all over it.
I am hoping and praying that dumb liar CA didn't think of gloves, because her whole hand prints will be somewhere on that tape.XXXcrossing my fingers and toesXXX

and I hope they GIVE SUE MOSS HER OWN SHOW!!!!!so she doesn't have to sit there for 58 minutes waiting to get 15 seconds to comment...Suso((duct taping my fingers so I shut up):blink:

Good evening suso, so glad to see you tonight.
I think the duct tape may end up be the smoking gun in this case.
My ex is retired military, we've always had duct tape around....army green colored but, official duct tape nontheless. In the military they call it 1000 mile-an-hour tape. Because it can be used to patch airplanes and stand up to going a 1000 mph.
As you say, it is sticky beyond belief. I've always used a box cutter to cut pieces....eventually. For some reason, I always forgot the box cutter and didn't feel like going to find it. Duh! Even after all my yrs of experience in dealing with it, I always somehow thought my teeth could make a start for me to be able to rip it. Scissors, forget it, they get stuck and don't cut it. Doing all of these things I know how it sticks to itself, stuck to my fingers, my clothes, to anything I didn't want it to stick to. I should have saved all the tape I've had to eventually give up and go find and use the box cutter to cut the mess I got going to start over and finally get a clean cut. If I had saved all the messed up tape I've gone thru, I would have a ball of duct tape to equal that of the biggest ball of string in the world tourist attraction. And I'm sure would have held a treasure trove of my saliva, skin cells and parts and pieces of everything it touched in my intitial battle with that tape.

[MoonFlwr]

Will you post the link to the new thread once you've started one?! Please :)

[rj1212]

Ok...there's a first time for everything. Here we go!

[MoonFlwr]

Good evening suso, so glad to see you tonight.
I think the duct tape may end up be the smoking gun in this case.
My ex is retired military, we've always had duct tape around....army green colored but, official duct tape nontheless. In the military they call it 1000 mile-an-hour tape. Because it can be used to patch airplanes and stand up to going a 1000 mph.
As you say, it is sticky beyond belief. I've always used a box cutter to cut pieces....eventually. For some reason, I always forgot the box cutter and didn't feel like going to find it. Duh! Even after all my yrs of experience in dealing with it, I always somehow thought my teeth could make a start for me to be able to rip it. Scissors, forget it, they get stuck and don't cut it. Doing all of these things I know how it sticks to itself, stuck to my fingers, my clothes, to anything I didn't want it to stick to. I should have saved all the tape I've had to eventually give up and go find and use the box cutter to cut the mess I got going to start over and finally get a clean cut. If I had saved all the messed up tape I've gone thru, I would have a ball of duct tape to equal that of the biggest ball of string in the world tourist attraction. And I'm sure would have held a treasure trove of my saliva, skin cells and parts and pieces of everything it touched in my intitial battle with that tape.

How well-illustrated! ;)

[rj1212]

There's a new thread...I just need to post the link...

[MoonFlwr]

Thanks rj! :)

Here's the link

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347170

[AJandTam]

It doesn't sound crazy because I've thought of several possibilities, one of them being that they wanted it to appear as though Caylee were kidnapped. I felt that way after it was reported that Caylee's remains were found with tape on the mouth.

Another thought I had about the tape was that Casey drugged Caylee and put her in trunk of the car (where she couldn't be seen because her friends thought Caylee was with the nanny) with tape on her mouth so if she awoke before Casey was through partying that Caylee couldn't cry out or scream.

Thanks Paula.. I had those exact two theories as well.

[sunbunny]

you done good!! :thumbsup: i'm still frustrated about folks who don't, for some reason, know how to properly quote. it gives me a headache!

there sure was a bunch of stuff to post about tonite! carry on, y'all, and i'll just continue lurking!! :seeya:

[rj1212]

yes, give it a try Rj, Just go to the main page of this holiday forum. Look for the new thread button on the left side of your screen.. You will see it.

Thanks for the info!

[MoonFlwr]

woohoo! Bravo rj! ;)

To post this link in the old thread you just copy the address from the address bar and paste it in a message.

[AJandTam]

Ok...there's a first time for everything. Here we go!

:thumbsup: Congratulations Rj, you did it.. Thank you,.

[rj1212]

you done good!! :thumbsup: i'm still frustrated about folks who don't, for some reason, know how to properly quote. it gives me a headache!

there sure was a bunch of stuff to post about tonite! carry on, y'all, and i'll just continue lurking!! :seeya:

Thanks a bunch...:thumbsup:

[rj1212]

woohoo! Bravo rj! ;)

To post this link in the old thread you just copy the address from the address bar and paste it in a message.

Gotcha...I haven't posted a link for so long that I honestly forgot.

Thanks for the reminder!

[rj1212]

I'm still reeling from the radio broadcast I just heard from another site concerning this case...it's pretty chilling even though much of it is speculation...

[enigma]

Good evening suso, so glad to see you tonight.
I think the duct tape may end up be the smoking gun in this case.
My ex is retired military, we've always had duct tape around....army green colored but, official duct tape nontheless. In the military they call it 1000 mile-an-hour tape. Because it can be used to patch airplanes and stand up to going a 1000 mph.
As you say, it is sticky beyond belief.
<snipped>


LOL-ing at your description!! Brilliant.

I think you're right, Oregongal - I certainly hope so anyway! The stuff is super-sticky and I dare anyone to wrap something with it and not get something caught in the process. Plus, once there, whatever sticks to it will stay stuck and take a lot of punishment before it ever lets go.

JMHO

[Mimi428]

I've been gone for hours, can anyone give us a recap of any news for this evening?

TIA

[rj1212]

Not only that, but Lee's lawyer and his buffoonery, and George and Cindy Anthony having to "lawyer up"...it's getting pretty crazy folks.

[AJandTam]

you done good!! :thumbsup: i'm still frustrated about folks who don't, for some reason, know how to properly quote. it gives me a headache!

there sure was a bunch of stuff to post about tonite! carry on, y'all, and i'll just continue lurking!! :seeya:

Back when I first started. I went to quote a poster on a thread and ended up starting a new thread by accident.. Don't know how I managed to do that but the way it all happened. A senior poster thought I was attacking them by spotlighting thier post.. and got so mad at me.. The board was different back then. We had a bunch of threads, not just one at a time.

[rosieposett]

I'm still reeling from the radio broadcast I just heard from another site concerning this case...it's pretty chilling even though much of it is speculation...

Like what, rj? Please share.

[theal3]

I just think there was a terrible accident, with cloraform or drowning in the pool, and made to look like a kiddnapping, but can't figure out why discarded/buried so close to the house.

[AJandTam]

I'm still reeling from the radio broadcast I just heard from another site concerning this case...it's pretty chilling even though much of it is speculation...

Sounds interesting. This is getting so crazy. I am itching to read different theories.. Right click, go down to properties, then copy and paste the address. Then send the link to me in Pm's .. If you don't mind. that is... I don't know if we can link it here??

[rj1212]

Like what, rj? Please share.

Well, it's been the topic of discussion earlier this evening, but I thought it was getting too close to breaking the rules for this forum, so I decided to listen to the info myself.

If you'd like, I can tell you where in a PM...I don't ever want to banned again...:unsure:

[Oregongal]

Boy, nobody loves me.......

Well, I *am* blonde.

After a suitable application of chemicals.......

I love you Spots.
BTW, I *am* blonde as well.
Born blond, now it's thanks to Loreal.
:wink:

[RiverWalk]

I thought I would post this link to MY Fox Orlando that has a lot of information and links on this case for everyone.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=7130516&version=113&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

I have kept up with the board all day today and it looks like maybe some interesting developments are hovering and could break soon.


Going to watch the replay of NG now and tivo Greta's show to watch after that if I can stay awake.


Glad to see you back my fellow Texan. Thanks for the link.

[sunbunny]

:seeya:Back when I first started. I went to quote a poster on a thread and ended up starting a new thread by accident.. Don't know how I managed to do that but the way it all happened. A senior poster thought I was attacking them by spotlighting thier post.. and got so mad at me.. The board was different back then. We had a bunch of threads, not just one at a time.

i hear you! :D i've loved you forever! i've always respected every single one of your posts!!

goodnite, everyone! my eyeballs are closing! :wink:

[rosieposett]

Well, it's been the topic of discussion earlier this evening, but I thought it was getting too close to breaking the rules for this forum, so I decided to listen to the info myself.

If you'd like, I can tell you where in a PM...I don't ever want to banned again...:unsure:

Oh, no. I would not like for you to get banned either. I'm sorry I asked. I saw NG tonight and have been reading most of the other thread tonight so I am probably caught up. I thought you meant something we had not heard yet.

BTW: Thanks for the new thread.

[MoonFlwr]

I just think there was a terrible accident, with cloraform or drowning in the pool, and made to look like a kiddnapping, but can't figure out why discarded/buried so close to the house.

When were the computer searches done, in relation to her disappearance? Question to everyone btw!

[Oregongal]

Ditto...looks like a good time to hit the hay and sleep on my thoughts until tomorrow.

Good night Spots, Lavenia and OU.
Sleep well friends. See you tomorrow.
:wub:

[AJandTam]

:seeya:

i hear you! :D i've loved you forever! i've always respected every single one of your posts!!

goodnite, everyone! my eyeballs are closing! :wink:

Thank you so much Sunny. I just love everyones post..it's such a treat to get to read what others are thinking..

Have a good nights sleep. It might get busy around here again in the next few days.. Those lawyers keep yacking. We might not have to wait til trial to figure out what is going on behind the scenes...

[rosieposett]

I just think there was a terrible accident, with cloraform or drowning in the pool, and made to look like a kiddnapping, but can't figure out why discarded/buried so close to the house.

I think whoever took her to that lot and tossed her away like garbage may have felt security in that lot where they played as children and buried favorite pets. They knew their way around in other words. I've read that murderers like to feel secure when they dispose of their victims. Just a guess, tho.

You could be right about little Caylee's death being an unfortunate accident. But if they were cloroforming her to take porn pics, would that be an accident?

[AJandTam]

I've been gone for hours, can anyone give us a recap of any news for this evening?

TIA

Hi Mimi. Welcome back.. Eventful evening. Talk about a PI taking video of the area where Caylee was found, a month before she was found.

Lenny's got ideas on that concerning Lee pulling in the MR to find the body.. I don't know about all of that..

Lee's lawyer is yacking about charges being filed against Lee.. Looking pretty serious for that boy.. Maybe worse than we thought.

[Oregongal]

Thats what I think too Paula.. This is getting really weird. If they knew where the body was, why did they leave it there, along w/so much evidence?? I hate to think it but did they actually try to make this look like a real kidnapping? sounds crazy but we've seen so much crazy over the years.. Who knows?

OMG Tam, I would really hate to think that they knew where the body was and said nothing.
If, IF this were true, could it be they thought Fey would have 'taken care' of it?
I cannot even imagine how flesh and blood family would leave a baby out there trusting the elements to take that baby and any evidence away for good.
It makes me sick to think of that.
But, as you say, crazy....and we've seen alot of crazy and keep seeing it more from this family. I honestly just cannot go there. But, who knows?

[Mimi428]

Hi Mimi. Welcome back.. Eventful evening. Talk about a PI taking video of the area where Caylee was found, a month before she was found.

Lenny's got ideas on that concerning Lee pulling in the MR to find the body.. I don't know about all of that..

Lee's lawyer is yacking about charges being filed against Lee.. Looking pretty serious for that boy.. Maybe worse than we thought.

A private investigator was taking video of the area where Caylee was found & it was a month before Mr Kronk called in the last tip?

HOLY CANNOLI, who found that out? Who is the PI? Where did s/he come from? Who hired this person?

Good gosh, that just sent chills right down my spine. I swear every hair is on end just thinking of the potential ramifications if that proves to be true.

JMO

[rj1212]

Sounds interesting. This is getting so crazy. I am itching to read different theories.. Right click, go down to properties, then copy and paste the address. Then send the link to me in Pm's .. If you don't mind. that is... I don't know if we can link it here??

I sent you something...I hope I did it right...

[Oregongal]

[QUOTE=aubrey04;12593053]I start giggling when I am nervous too but I can't imagine laughing during those interviews. The mood was totally inappropriate for laughter, regardless of whether he was nervous or not. I guess I can still buy into it just being nervousness but talk about CREEPY..

That's what Lee's interviews were, imo.. just CREEPY.

:blink:[/QUOTE


I PRAY all our questions are answered at trial otherwise we'll all go crazy.

With that, I best get some beauty sleep so I can compete with that ravishing beauty, 101spots.

Night all!

Good night jammie, get that beauty sleep and see you tomorrow.

[AJandTam]

A private investigator was taking video of the area where Caylee was found & it was a month before Mr Kronk called in the last tip?

HOLY CANNOLI, who found that out? Who is the PI? Where did s/he come from? Who hired this person?

Good gosh, that just sent chills right down my spine. I swear every hair is on end just thinking of the potential ramifications if that proves to be true.

JMO

Yes, the LE is after the PI according to the link we had earlier.. The PI they want to talk to about this video is Dominic Casey. Baez is filing motions as he is afraid for LE to talk to the PI. Worried about confidential information concerning the whereabouts of the remains being disclosed. I am not kidding. There is a link around here somewhere on this that came out this afternoon.

[RiverWalk]

A private investigator was taking video of the area where Caylee was found & it was a month before Mr Kronk called in the last tip?

HOLY CANNOLI, who found that out? Who is the PI? Where did s/he come from? Who hired this person?

Good gosh, that just sent chills right down my spine. I swear every hair is on end just thinking of the potential ramifications if that proves to be true.

JMO

http://www.wftv.com/video/18377211/index.html

ETA: another link
http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

[??WHATthe??]

That's true. If someone has trouble knowing the truth when they see it or in this case when they see lie after lie and they still can't figure out what the truth is maybe they would think Cindy acted on a belief her grandaughter was alive.

People who can separate obvious lies from facts can see that IMO Cindy and George and Lee knew Caylee was dead from Day 1, absolutely! Those people fault the Anthonys and are waiting for the (where's that hammer when you need it?), I was going to say waiting for the hammer to drop on the lot of them. I think they can feel it coming.

Nice Surmise... ITA... :thumbup:

[AJandTam]

I sent you something...I hope I did it right...

You did great. Thank you so much... Trying to get it to play while I post..

[enigma]

When were the computer searches done, in relation to her disappearance? Question to everyone btw!

Great summary of them at this link, post #13:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346710

[??WHATthe??]

Okay guys... sorry to bug, but I missed NG and everything tonight!!! What tHe is going on with Lee???:confused:

[AJandTam]

http://www.wftv.com/video/18377211/index.html

ETA: another link
http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

Thanks River. I was just about to go fetch our friend Mimi a few links to help her catch up..

[PROPROS]

Hi Mimi. Welcome back.. Eventful evening. Talk about a PI taking video of the area where Caylee was found, a month before she was found.

Lenny's got ideas on that concerning Lee pulling in the MR to find the body.. I don't know about all of that..

Lee's lawyer is yacking about charges being filed against Lee.. Looking pretty serious for that boy.. Maybe worse than we thought.IMO, LA may have something to worry about. However, I don't buy LP theory that Casey told LA, who told PI, who told MR where to find the body. This case has many twists and turns,but I don't believe that the MR knew or had any knowledge of where Caylee was before 12/11.mo

[Oregongal]

Well, it's been the topic of discussion earlier this evening, but I thought it was getting too close to breaking the rules for this forum, so I decided to listen to the info myself.

If you'd like, I can tell you where in a PM...I don't ever want to banned again...:unsure:

Wonderful job at starting the new thread rj, you done good!!!
Thanks.
I would also like a pm. Would appreciate it and certainly don't want you banned for posting it on board. I like you right where you are...with us.

[RiverWalk]

IMO, LA may have something to worry about. However, I don't buy LP theory that Casey told LA, who told PI, who told MR where to find the body. This case has many twists and turns,but I don't believe that the MR knew or had any knowledge of where Caylee was before 12/11.mo

LP is full of _______________!!!!!! IMO.

[Oregongal]

Also want to thank Moonflower and Enigma for your appreciation of my duct tape post.
:biggrin:

[Motomom]

A private investigator was taking video of the area where Caylee was found & it was a month before Mr Kronk called in the last tip?

HOLY CANNOLI, who found that out? Who is the PI? Where did s/he come from? Who hired this person?

Good gosh, that just sent chills right down my spine. I swear every hair is on end just thinking of the potential ramifications if that proves to be true.

JMO

Was it the PI that was watching the people who had Caylee? Or a new one? Maybe one that knows that Caylee was moved, what did George say? 8 times?

I did watch NG but barely paid attention, mother has a very sick dog so we were taking care of him. Did they show this video?? ARE they talking about the Gale St. John video I wonder? That was supposedly in the same area right?

Hey, didn't Cindy boast to someone about how her and Lee or maybe just her, snuck out of the house one night?? Anyone remember that cause I have no links for it. Wonder what night that was. I remember us commenting on it wondering how nobody caught them.. If they did, did they hop that back fence? Aren't there woods back there, that lead directly to Caylee?? Oh and I've never heard of an address for Lee, anyone ever get one? I originally heard he lived farther away, only to find out he supposedly only lives a couple streets away..hmm wonder why the protesters never went to his house? So many things.. another late night, probably later after reading on the Fox site and seeing all those beautiful pictures of a life that was taken too soon. I can't believe that the Anthony's would like Casey at the private memorial.. what a crock. Or does Cindy maybe want to get her hands around her neck and finish what she originally started?

This case aggravates me to NO END.. makes me sick, can't sleep.. heck I'm sounding like Cindy. I am glad they are keeping themselves out of the media's limelight right now or did I miss way more than I thought? I still feel for them during this difficult time.. and Lee.. oh boy.. WTH is going on there?? got a feeling a big break will be apon us soon.

[theal3]

IMO, LA may have something to worry about. However, I don't buy LP theory that Casey told LA, who told PI, who told MR where to find the body. This case has many twists and turns,but I don't believe that the MR knew or had any knowledge of where Caylee was before 12/11.mo

ITA, leave the MR out of it.

[AJandTam]

IMO, LA may have something to worry about. However, I don't buy LP theory that Casey told LA, who told PI, who told MR where to find the body. This case has many twists and turns,but I don't believe that the MR knew or had any knowledge of where Caylee was before 12/11.mo

I didn't watch NG yet, just read about it on the boards. That theory didn't sound right to me either..

[PROPROS]

Okay guys... sorry to bug, but I missed NG and everything tonight!!! What tHe is going on with Lee???:confused:LA lawyer stating that LA "may" be arrested on obstruction charges...however, he would not say what for. Just the usual story....Lee gave his DNA and has always cooperated with LE. Well, we know he did not volunteer his DNA and Carlos Padilla (from OCSD) has stated that The Anthony's have not cooperated. I would "assume" that includes LA. The only guy I believe out of the 3 is Carlos Padilla. mo

[Motomom]

Yes, the LE is after the PI according to the link we had earlier.. The PI they want to talk to about this video is Dominic Casey. Baez is filing motions as he is afraid for LE to talk to the PI. Worried about confidential information concerning the whereabouts of the remains being disclosed. I am not kidding. There is a link around here somewhere on this that came out this afternoon.

Man I really miss having a links thread here in the holiday forum :cursing:

Worried about confidential information concerning the whereabouts.. it's late, I'm not following his thought process.. does anyone though? LOL.

Really.. they know where they found her body. I'm thinking they'll be able to tell how long that bag was there via the evidence.. Her goose is cooked..thank God!! But I do wonder if there is still more to come of this case.. Sleep sweetly Caylee.. Poor baby..the horrors that come to my mind.

[AJandTam]

Man I really miss having a links thread here in the holiday forum :cursing:

Worried about confidential information concerning the whereabouts.. it's late, I'm not following his thought process.. does anyone though? LOL.

Really.. they know where they found her body. I'm thinking they'll be able to tell how long that bag was there via the evidence.. Her goose is cooked..thank God!! But I do wonder if there is still more to come of this case.. Sleep sweetly Caylee.. Poor baby..the horrors that come to my mind.

Good Night Moto.

I made a post to you. I thought I sent it, but it's gone now. Have a great evening and sleep well..

Tim said the body was there the whole time.. FBI, I think said they know how long, but not releasing the info..

Thought process.. Omg.. LOL, i'm not feeling him... he says the darnest things.

[Oregongal]

I seem to be having the lagging prob with the board again.
I'm yawning my head off, so I guess I'll take this opportunity to say good night so I can get some beauty sleep.
Night all, sleep well.

[Motomom]

ITA, leave the MR out of it.

I just now got around to listening to the 911 calls. I think he was overly obsessed with this case, like many of us here. I don't think he knew where the body was. I think it was nagging at him is all.

[PROPROS]

Good Night Moto.

I made a post to you. I thought I sent it, but it's gone now. Have a great evening and sleep well..

Tim said the body was there the whole time.. FBI, I think said they know how long, but not releasing the info..

Thought process.. Omg.. LOL, i'm not feeling him... he says the darnest things.Yes, Tim did say he could tell where there was an indentation in the dirt....I believe when all is said and done, the evidence will show that Caylee was placed there sometime after 6/16 and her little body stayed there until 12/11. I don't care how many videos they filmed. Gale St. John may have a video showing she was close....but not close enough. She did not find Caylee.mo

[Motomom]

Good Night Moto.

I made a post to you. I thought I sent it, but it's gone now. Have a great evening and sleep well..

Tim said the body was there the whole time.. FBI, I think said they know how long, but not releasing the info..

Thought process.. Omg.. LOL, i'm not feeling him... he says the darnest things.

I don't think I'm going to sleep just yet , though I hope my window comes like now LOL.

I believe that body was there the whole time. I do not take Tim's word for it, simply because it's just his opinion. He doesn't know for certain, but I do think the FBI does. One thing that I have been wondering is that I believe they allowed Tim down in that area, though maybe not right where she was found. I've been thinking about that after Tim's interview wondering if Baez would claim.. who knows what..but something for them allowing him down in there.. like I said, don't know how close he was able to get, I remember hearing two different things from Tim in his interviews on NG. I'm surprised we haven't heard Baez yelling about that yet.

[happygert]

Yes, Tim did say he could tell where there was an indentation in the dirt....I believe when all is said and done, the evidence will show that Caylee was placed there sometime after 6/16 and her little body stayed there until 12/11. I don't care how many videos they filmed. Gale St. John may have a video showing she was close....but not close enough. She did not find Caylee.mo

Can this case get any crazier? Imo before it's all done I think there will be more charges brought against the A's

[happygert]

I don't think I'm going to sleep just yet , though I hope my window comes like now LOL.

I believe that body was there the whole time. I do not take Tim's word for it, simply because it's just his opinion. He doesn't know for certain, but I do think the FBI does. One thing that I have been wondering is that I believe they allowed Tim down in that area, though maybe not right where she was found. I've been thinking about that after Tim's interview wondering if Baez would claim.. who knows what..but something for them allowing him down in there.. like I said, don't know how close he was able to get, I remember hearing two different things from Tim in his interviews on NG. I'm surprised we haven't heard Baez yelling about that yet.

There will probably be another emergency motion again this week from him

[PROPROS]

I just now got around to listening to the 911 calls. I think he was overly obsessed with this case, like many of us here. I don't think he knew where the body was. I think it was nagging at him is all.If I was living in Orlando, I would have been looking at every bag too. I'm sure many people in the area were looking in bushes, under logs, and in dumpsters. Even those woman (in the mall) who took that pic of a little girl, were looking for Caylee. Whether it was a live Caylee or a dead Caylee....many,many people were looking for Caylee. Thank God, he kept looking and Thank God he found her.mo

[happygert]

If I was living in Orlando, I would have been looking at every bag too. I'm sure many people in the area were looking in bushes, under logs, and in dumpsters. Even those woman (in the mall) who took that pic of a little girl, were looking for Caylee. Whether it was a live Caylee or a dead Caylee....many,many people were looking for Caylee. Thank God, he kept looking and Thank God he found her.mo



ITA. I would have been too..Yes I'm so glad they found her. Long overdue.

[AJandTam]

Yes, Tim did say he could tell where there was an indentation in the dirt....I believe when all is said and done, the evidence will show that Caylee was placed there sometime after 6/16 and her little body stayed there until 12/11. I don't care how many videos they filmed. Gale St. John may have a video showing she was close....but not close enough. She did not find Caylee.mo

I figure the FBI's got this. I totally trust them in a case like this.. No worries over here. They have the big dogs solving this one..

[PROPROS]

Can this case get any crazier? Imo before it's all done I think there will be more charges brought against the A'sSomething is up....If The Anthony's (especially LA) did not have any worries, then why have a lawyer come on tv and say that charges may be brought against him. I don't think they pulled that rabbit out of a hat. Someone must have advised him that there might be charges coming.mo

[Mimi428]

LP is full of _______________!!!!!! IMO.

He sure is.

Thanks, everyone, for posting those links. I also just read the transcript of Nancy Grace's show tonite - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html

I'm stunned. Just overwhelmed at the idea that somebody was videotaping the same area. Unless this PI can show where he was videotaping all sorts of other closeby areas, I think this is a very bad turn of events.

Ugh. What a thing to contemplate at 1:30 in the morning. I'm never going to be able to sleep at this rate.

[AJandTam]

I don't think I'm going to sleep just yet , though I hope my window comes like now LOL.

I believe that body was there the whole time. I do not take Tim's word for it, simply because it's just his opinion. He doesn't know for certain, but I do think the FBI does. One thing that I have been wondering is that I believe they allowed Tim down in that area, though maybe not right where she was found. I've been thinking about that after Tim's interview wondering if Baez would claim.. who knows what..but something for them allowing him down in there.. like I said, don't know how close he was able to get, I remember hearing two different things from Tim in his interviews on NG. I'm surprised we haven't heard Baez yelling about that yet.

LOL, I am too tired now. I am going to bed..

Thats me. I love the FBI involvement. They are on this one.. and they are not going to play games. It's the real deal when they come for ya.. you are in deep trouble.. and Casey can kiss her Good life Goodbye... It's over for her. IMHO.

[suso3280]

Well, tried to go to bed early, but I'm back, this is keeping my brain wheels turning and I can't sleep. :confused:
At this point, I have headphones on listening to LeeA police interview, and reading everything to catch up.
Opinions, pls? Speculation on my part, IMO....hope it's permissable to ask.
Does anyone think perhaps that Casey at some point told Lee and he told George and Cindy the location of Caylee.They then tried to investigate it themselves and discovered it, even perhaps visited the site, which could be why LE went back to final search warrant and took so many things from the home perhaps to prove it?
It's just a feeling I cannot shake.Now immunity is on the table. From WHAT? Like this is about to blow up...tick tick tick...:w00t:

[dvsone]

Something is up....If The Anthony's (especially LA) did not have any worries, then why have a lawyer come on tv and say that charges may be brought against him. I don't think they pulled that rabbit out of a hat. Someone must have advised him that there might be charges coming.mo


Because this case is sooo screwy with wild tales and unanswered questions and questions with the most outlandish answers..... I kind of expect this to be a bluff of some sort.... again misdirecting the attention of one thing to something that is untrue. Not saying Lee isnt up to his eyeballs, just wondering if it done as a game of he who rolls over first, gets the best deal?

eta: I mean Casey isnt talking, The A's shut up, yet have immunity deals in the works or at least discussing them in the media, well what does Lee have to lose tossing his hat into the ring. More dust.

[BobbisAngel]

ITA, leave the MR out of it.


What is the MR? Did the PI see a plastic bag when he was taking his video or is that the purpose of this supposed PI....he didn't see a plastic bag? I wouldn't be surprised if the defense isn't making up a PI that doesn't even exist. They probably want to say "see, there was no plastic bag there when our PI was videoing that area so Caylee was put there later on when Casey was in jail. Don't trust any of that outfit.

[happygert]

Something is up....If The Anthony's (especially LA) did not have any worries, then why have a lawyer come on tv and say that charges may be brought against him. I don't think they pulled that rabbit out of a hat. Someone must have advised him that there might be charges coming.mo

Yes I agree. They all have gotten criminal Attorneys. Why when Caylee's body was found even before the plane landed CA and GA already had one. He was waiting on them. And They want immunity.

[dvsone]

What is the MR? Did the PI see a plastic bag when he was taking his video or is that the purpose of this supposed PI....he didn't see a plastic bag? I wouldn't be surprised if the defense isn't making up a PI that doesn't even exist. They probably want to say "see, there was no plastic bag there when our PI was videoing that area so Caylee was put there later on when Casey was in jail. Don't trust any of that outfit.

MR=meter reader

Oh its to show there was not a bag there.

(my opine is that the bag was there the whole time, it didnt surface until it was found... or within a week of that)

[PROPROS]

Because this case is sooo screwy with wild tales and unanswered questions and questions with the most outlandish answers..... I kind of expect this to be a bluff of some sort.... again misdirecting the attention of one thing to something that is untrue. Not saying Lee isnt up to his eyeballs, just wondering if it done as a game of he who rolls over first, gets the best deal?IMO, something was said or brought up while C & G were on the plane coming back from Ca. Allen informed them that a childs body was found. When they landed they had hired BC. IIRC, they were taken (somewhere) to talk to LE. Perhaps , it was something during that conversation that led them to believe that charges might be brought against them. We have not heard one word from them since the Larry King Live Show. Also, it was right around this time that Carlos Padilla stated that The Anthony's were blowing smoke and had not cooperated with LE. I know that some say they are not talking out of grief....however, that never stopped Cindy before. MO

[RiverWalk]

He sure is.

Thanks, everyone, for posting those links. I also just read the transcript of Nancy Grace's show tonite - http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/29/ng.01.html

I'm stunned. Just overwhelmed at the idea that somebody was videotaping the same area. Unless this PI can show where he was videotaping all sorts of other closeby areas, I think this is a very bad turn of events.

Ugh. What a thing to contemplate at 1:30 in the morning. I'm never going to be able to sleep at this rate.


Could be!
Remember Joy Wray (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-pg-caylee-anthony-search-110808,0,1707587.photogallery?index=orl-caylee_search_3_20081108172030) photo #10? She was the woman that SAID she took photos of the area of no body too and "supposedly" worked with TES and was at JBPark with Dennis Martin causing a ruckus? There are rumors all over the 'net about Dennis and Joy and Mr. Hoover in cohoots with Dominic Casey and are not good. NOTE .... RUMORS and jmo.

Me thinks that lots of people are going down. Me thinks the FBI is well aware of these folks. OR maybe I am just hoping and up too late?????

[suso3280]

It's absurd that an atty goes on national tv to announce he will be defending someone before a charge or reason is even brought up! This case is turning into a circus...

Does a link exist to police interview with Caseys boyfriend TonE? I know of the one with Jesse. Appreciate if someone has it.:confused: