Caylee Anthony - Dec 29/08 - Part 1

[Amy]

morning all. Here is an interesting tid bit about LA attorney Luka.

http://www.bloggernews.net/119190

I read somewhere (here, last night? another board?) where Luka is of the same firm as NeJames. Is NeJames "part" of a firm, the founder of a firm, or a sole practitioner?

[Lavenia]

I think she's preparing for her new career as a motivational speaker. She fancies herself a Mark Klaas or John Walsh.

Oh Lord, I hope not!

OTOH, she would make an excellent chapter-head of a group of mothers of incarcerated "children". :rolleyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

I thought you were leaving because you didn't want to discuss anything but Caylee?



................lol :thumbsup:

[happygert]

I think she's preparing for her new career as a motivational speaker. She fancies herself a Mark Klaas or John Walsh.

She'd never be in a Class with those people ever. Maybe she'll fit in with KFN. All she'd have to do is what she does best. Sit up tent and ask for donations, donations,donations. Tell everyone else to get off there AZZES and search.

[desmom]

Hi Des- Since this was 8/11, 8/12 and 8/13 was the media already camped out at the A's house, Casey was still in jail. I think it was after LP bailed her out that the media circus started. When I drove by the house on Oct 3rd at about 4 PM the only thing in front of the house was the FOX webcam.

If the media was there why didn't he just tell his story to one of them, I'm sure they would have gone the 1/2 mile to see what was going on, look at all the play that the Scrap metal troller got.

JMO

Hey Mr. Lucky :seeya:

IMO, the media was there at that time. This is around the time George parked the billboard in front of the house.

[ishkabibble]

2theWall, not every person's job has the great benefits of short-term and long-term disability which can be granted almost always on the advice of a medical doctor. If that person does not have those benefits through their job, they must apply to the state or federal level which, as has been stated, can take a very long time (if ever) to get. In the meantime, it's either work or go on welfare.

I can attest to that, until recently my employer offered as a disability benefit, $150 a week after a 45 day waiting period. Only recently have they offered the option to pay for a better policy.

[Amy]

IIRC Lee has never been LE. It is my opinion that Lee has a soft bark and a dangerous bite, he comes off as deliberate and controlled while I find Cindy and George to be more reactive. When that woman was out front with her dog, Lee confronted her and the police were called, Lee was told she could be there, yet he still went over to her and calmly took and destroyed (attempted to) her sign and removed the dogs water dish.
Lee, imo, is a calculating personality.

I notice how he claimed the police officer didn't know the law!!! And the HOA president had sent him over to remove the sign (or whatever he said the HOA president told him to do.) The guy must not have paid much attention to the incident where the HOA requested the protesters be banned from the neighborhood and THE JUDGE said, nope, public property, etc etc etc. AND, the easeway where the sign was IS public property. I think Lee thinks he looks/sounds impressive enough, and with his "calm" demeanor to the woman that they would believe him over the cop.

[happygert]

I don't think its really our call to decide when Cindy should go back to work. I'm sure she will when she is ready and able to do so.

She's enjoying being the victim. WHEN she's NOT! CAYLEE IS. Like mother like daughter. They have to be CENTER at all TIMES!

[Carol25]

Like you, I don't think MR is involved in any way. There are, tho, a couple of things about his calls that stick in my mind.

Like, as you mention, he does not seem to know the streets in those first calls, and does not know the name of the elementary school. Not that that is sinister in anyway, but, since he did not stick around in the first call, those are VERY vague directions. And, the same for the second call where they looked @ the area and determined it had been searched--those directions were vague. And, HE was @ the scene w/the officer on that third call. If he went "into" the area to see the bag in the first place, he certainly could have gone "into" the area to show the officer exactly what he was talking about.

In those first calls (@ least 2 of them) he described the area as SWAMPY, several times. In that SWAMPY area. It's SWAMPY there. IMO, not a dry area where volunteer searchers were to have likely been. There were how many places they were searching? And, the professionals determined search areas by phone pings and such, which took them to other areas. And the storms and hurricane and water levels stopped the searches before all areas (like the SWAMPY part of the area) could be searched.
I was hoping someone would bring up the calls. I don't recall hearing all of them, but the one I do remember I felt it was somewhat incoherent. I wouldn't have been able to follow it.

[Regina.Lampert]

I didn't want to gossip about George and his work in law enforcement, because it isn't relevant to the case.

His former job as a LEO is very relevant to this case, especially his statements regarding how dead bodies and decomposition smell. imo.

[margaritaville]

She'd never be in a Class with those people ever. Maybe she'll fit in with KFN. All she'd have to do is what she does best. Sit up tent and ask for donations, donations,donations. Tell everyone else to get off there AZZES and search.

No kidding, I totally agree........

So how long until she is telling us to get off our Azzes and search for the "real killer"?

moo

[Lynntoast]

I don't think its really our call to decide when Cindy should go back to work. I'm sure she will when she is ready and able to do so.

I don't think I would ever be able to go back to work. I would want to crawl in a hole and die. Seriously. I would never have made it once I figured out that it was MY Daughter that had killed my grandbaby. I would never have been able to stand in front of a microphone and lie and deny the way Cindy has. I do give her credit for being a strong woman.

[Remy]

His former job as a LEO is very relevant to this case, especially his statements regarding how dead bodies and decomposition smell. imo.

And Lee's oft repeated statement by Cindy that LE was supposed to serve and protect and they were not doing that for Caylee. Ironic, no?

[MalloryCat]

I don't think I would ever be able to go back to work. I would want to crawl in a hole and die. Seriously. I would never have made it once I figured out that it was MY Daughter that had killed my grandbaby. I would never have been able to stand in front of a microphone and lie and deny the way Cindy has. I do give her credit for being a strong woman.

She actually is a very strong woman, and I just dont get the rationalization of, well lots of people lose loved ones and have to go on, yes this is true, but most people in this world get to grieve and go threw this in private, not with media outside the home and people on the internet tearing you apart, no one except a few unfortunate select few even know what they are going through.

jmo

[cuddlyrunner]

I was just thinking

if George is offered immunity -he will be offered it on the basis that he did something that he shouldn't have but they need his evidence for the trial

or if it is proved on camera that he lied


does that mean that anyone he arrested while in LE would justifiably be able to claim that he set them up/lied on oath etc??

[happygert]

No kidding, I totally agree........

So how long until she is telling us to get off our Azzes and search for the "real killer"?

moo

Exaclty! Isn't funny how Cindy can tell everyone what they should be doing. While she's sitting there on her AZZ telling everyone else to search, while she's sitting and counting the green backs.

[margaritaville]

I don't think I would ever be able to go back to work. I would want to crawl in a hole and die. Seriously. I would never have made it once I figured out that it was MY Daughter that had killed my grandbaby. I would never have been able to stand in front of a microphone and lie and deny the way Cindy has. I do give her credit for being a strong woman.



I don't think it is being strong. I think she is trying to save face and is in "protecting mode"at this time.
If she wasn't working so hard on saving Casey, she would probably be doing exactly what you just described..Crawling into a hole.
moo

[Remy]

Caylee should be the center of attention. You see enjoyment from Cindy, I see utter pain and despair. We see things through a different light.

She is the center of attention but unfortunately she can no longer speak because her mother murdered her and body can't tell her story because the family did nothing to help in locating her body but go on tv and criticize LE and Tim Miller for trying. moo

[dohinmom]

Did you call the police when you saw these bags on the side of the road? And if you did.....did you do it for 3 days in a row or more?

Just wondering.


No I didn't because I honestly didn't think there was a body in them. Also, there wasn't ever someone missing in the area either.

I am fairly certain that had there been, I would have stopped the car and at least felt the bag. I also would have called the police and kept calling them until I got an answer as to what was in the bag.

I have called the police various times in the past about suspicious people hanging around and actually called another town's police to make sure the person was where they said he was. I was up all night keeping an eye on him and called the police a few times that night. My husband thought I was nuts, but this guy was scary. He was a stranger in town and had gone into the bank to use their bathroom and was taking a rather long time so they went to check on him and found him washing his hair in the sink. Who does that in a bank?IMO


Hope I answered your question.

dolphinmom

[Mimi428]

No Cindy should take her AZZ back to work like the rest of us did.

Putting aside the specifics, would YOU want someone in her mental & emotional state taking care of you or anyone you cared about - as a registered NURSE???

I wouldn't. And I guarantee her employer wouldn't. She would be an absolute liability to them, working as a nurse in her documented condition. I mean documented as in being on TV & demonstrating that she cannot rationally conduct herself. She has lost at least 40 lbs in 6 months - another indication of the extreme state of her mental health.

I don't have to be the woman's best flippin' friend to recognize she is not capable of performing her job duties in the mental state she has shown to the world these past 6+ months.


JMO

[rj1212]

I don't think its really our call to decide when Cindy should go back to work. I'm sure she will when she is ready and able to do so.

It certainly was Cindy's call to tell us to get off our azzes and find her grand-daughter...when she wouldn't even look within a third of a mile around her own house...

Heck, when George got the car from the towing company and it smelled of human decomposition and Caylee was missing George went to work iirc...:confused:

hmm...

[ishkabibble]

I don't think I would ever be able to go back to work. I would want to crawl in a hole and die. Seriously. I would never have made it once I figured out that it was MY Daughter that had killed my grandbaby. I would never have been able to stand in front of a microphone and lie and deny the way Cindy has. I do give her credit for being a strong woman.

Up until they found the body that has been her position. I do want to see if she changes her public statements/comments now that Caylee has been found.

[Lynntoast]

She actually is a very strong woman, and I just dont get the rationalization of, well lots of people lose loved ones and have to go on, yes this is true, but most people in this world get to grieve and go threw this in private, not with media outside the home and people on the internet tearing you apart, no one except a few unfortunate select few even know what they are going through.

jmo

So of that is true, Mal. But I really don't think Cindy should be on the internet reading what people are saying. I think she should be at the DA's office telling all she knows. JMO :wink:

[CC I See]

She is the center of attention but unfortunately she can no longer speak because her mother murdered her and body can't tell her story because the family did nothing to help in locating her body but go on tv and criticize LE and Tim Miller for trying. moo
... so very well said.

[firefly75]

His former job as a LEO is very relevant to this case, especially his statements regarding how dead bodies and decomposition smell. imo.

ITA!!!!! I don't see why some can't understand this point!

[Amy]

I was doing some searches and I ran across this which I've never seen.

Who knew. A Nanny with a Nanny?

http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18031958/detail.html

Interesting, too, that George says he KNEW she was employeed @ Universal or Colorvision from 2004 to 2006 because Cindy has met them and they have talked to them on the phone.

So, They did not think it odd that they didn't meet or talk to those folks on the phone from 2006 to 2008? Or, if they met and talked with her CO-WORKERS, isnt' it odd that they didn't meet or talk w/the NANNY who took care of their granddaughter?

I wonder what company or type of position she wrote that resume for?

[martha]

I think you are probably right, that her employer had a benefits package that included some form of short-term and/or long-term disability. It would take months upon months for her to go through the process of government disability, but if it is a private policy through her employer, it should be processed much faster.

JMOI think you or right it is thru her employer, most places has short and long term disability and I bet she is on long term disability with the company she works for. It still will not be her full salary tho. just a percent of what she makes. with all the bills they have there is no way they could live on that. I really don;t know if george is working or not. I don;t think anyone has seen them since they found the body. I don;t even know if Lee has a job. Lawyers cost a lot of money. My bills don;t stop just because I have some kind of trouble. If caylee;s dad was dead I don;t know why casey was not getting a check for caylee on him. jmho

[Amy]

Did anyone notice that the first site listed (the memorial) has death date listed as Oct. 1,2008. I wonder where that came from? Has anyone else mentioned that date?

I wonder who is the owner of that site? Perhaps someone who chooses to ignore the ME's estimated date of death? But, how DOES one come up with a date that seems to be out of the blue? I can't remember anything particular to Oct 1. Wonder if the owner of the site has been in contact w/Cindy or George or Lee who gave that date?

[margaritaville]

Exaclty! Isn't funny how Cindy can tell everyone what they should be doing. While she's sitting there on her AZZ telling everyone else to search, while she's sitting and counting the green backs.

No kidding! I don't think sCindy is completly with out a heart. I would bet that if she could she would give all the money they had to have Caylee back. And I am sure she is blaming herself for fighting with Casey the night before...but.....
Time will tell if she is going to go quietly or will the next thing be the book deals?

How far they will take the money wagon on the back of their murdered grandchild who would still be here if it wasn't for their offspring?

If I was to bet on it, I would say a few weeks after the trial when things start to calm down they will be making the circuit of news programs promoting their book..........IMHO

[aubrey04]

His former job as a LEO is very relevant to this case, especially his statements regarding how dead bodies and decomposition smell. imo.

Exactly. George is the one who brought up his former employment as LE to begin with.. So did Cindy. So yes, it is a part of this case. He knew the smell of a dead body and told LE he smelled "the" smell.

[CNTM]

Has it ever been determined for certain that the missing parts of the docs. and phone records are to be presented in the trial?

[Amy]

Ironically enough. Cindy and Lee are playing detective, but Geo who has been a detective.. Seems lost in la la land. IMHO....How'd that happen....

George didn't have to do any investigating--he knew from the moment he got near the car. His grandbaby was DEAD. And he just let the others go from there, and follows, IMO, Cindy's lead on what to do and say.

[callmetree]

Morning all....Of all the mis..statements he could have made, that is probably the biggest blunder of them all! I'm sure LA was :cursing:,when he heard that. This reminds me of Todd Black stating that Caylee was dead and claiming.....mis..statement.mo

maybe it simply was a mistake. i know i call my kids by the other ones name all the time. maybe he was thinking about casey and it was just a slip of the tongue. i agree it was a BIG blunder after all the talk of who the father really is. JMOO i may be one of few ,but i really didn't think that much of it.:blink: don't hit me too hard guys!

[PROPROS]

I have to disagree with you. She will be kept in protective custody as long as necessary, not only for her protection, but for the protection of the other inmates, as well as jail/prison personnel. The authorities will not allow for a dangerous situation just because she is Casey Anthony.
imoGood...less commissary. Here in ca, inmates on "walk alone" status get commissary once a month $35.00 max. I have heard that Florida has the Ad seg and Shu program set up the same way.I agree, she will stay in PC until her classification points drop....but eventually, she will be mainlined.mo

[rj1212]

I wonder who is the owner of that site? Perhaps someone who chooses to ignore the ME's estimated date of death? But, how DOES one come up with a date that seems to be out of the blue? I can't remember anything particular to Oct 1. Wonder if the owner of the site has been in contact w/Cindy or George or Lee who gave that date?

Remember when George said the "kidnappers (of Caylee) were being watched...?"

Maybe the kidnappers escaped the watchful eye of George and company at the end of September...thereby making Oct. 1st a reasonable date in George's mind?:confused:

[suzanne]

May I please ask did the medical examiner ever say how long Caylee had been there?Is that out yet?

[margaritaville]

Putting aside the specifics, would YOU want someone in her mental & emotional state taking care of you or anyone you cared about - as a registered NURSE???

I wouldn't. And I guarantee her employer wouldn't. She would be an absolute liability to them, working as a nurse in her documented condition. I mean documented as in being on TV & demonstrating that she cannot rationally conduct herself. She has lost at least 40 lbs in 6 months - another indication of the extreme state of her mental health.

I don't have to be the woman's best flippin' friend to recognize she is not capable of performing her job duties in the mental state she has shown to the world these past 6+ months.


JMO

Cindy had a desk job.....she talked about it at the bond hearing. she wasn't working directly with patients......

[margaritaville]

Up until they found the body that has been her position. I do want to see if she changes her public statements/comments now that Caylee has been found.

You won't hear from Cindy again until her book is published........imho

[Carol25]

You mean when your daughter killed your granddaughter?

As much as I do agree that Cindy did and said things she probably shouldn't have, I don't think their financial position right now is, or should be, any of our business. Who cares if she's working? She's living a nightmare, people. I couldn't work, I know that. As an RN, Cindy's job is to help save lives... the most important person in her life was taken away in the worst way imaginable. Cindy loved Caylee like she was her own daughter--- more, I think-- if my daughter (or granddaughter, for that matter) died even of natural causes, I'd be down for the count for God knows how long. Cindy's life right now is nothing I can even conceive of.

I can't understand why people are so concerned about how they're paying their bills. It's already been stated that they're not soliciting donations for Caylee's funeral. Why does anyone care about their water bill, for crying out loud? Why isn't the main concern how she's faring emotionally? Or how she handled Christmas with the gifts for Caylee that remain wrapped sitting under the tree? How it felt to hear "Little Drummer Boy" or "White Christmas" playing quietly on the radio and wanting nothing more than to have Caylee sitting on her lap while she read "Twas the Night Before Christmas"? Why isn't anyone wondering about that??
Ellie, did you think before you wrote this to someone who lost two children?

[MalloryCat]

You mean when your daughter killed your granddaughter?

As much as I do agree that Cindy did and said things she probably shouldn't have, I don't think their financial position right now is, or should be, any of our business. Who cares if she's working? She's living a nightmare, people. I couldn't work, I know that. As an RN, Cindy's job is to help save lives... the most important person in her life was taken away in the worst way imaginable. Cindy loved Caylee like she was her own daughter--- more, I think-- if my daughter (or granddaughter, for that matter) died even of natural causes, I'd be down for the count for God knows how long. Cindy's life right now is nothing I can even conceive of.

I can't understand why people are so concerned about how they're paying their bills. It's already been stated that they're not soliciting donations for Caylee's funeral. Why does anyone care about their water bill, for crying out loud? Why isn't the main concern how she's faring emotionally? Or how she handled Christmas with the gifts for Caylee that remain wrapped sitting under the tree? How it felt to hear "Little Drummer Boy" or "White Christmas" playing quietly on the radio and wanting nothing more than to have Caylee sitting on her lap while she read "Twas the Night Before Christmas"? Why isn't anyone wondering about that??

Oh, my heart breaks for her, I imagine little Caylee probably would run into her room and wake her up, and that will never happen, there will no more Disney dress up times, there will be nothing, she has died, I would bet Cindy is probably very physically ill and I just cant imagine it, but then again, I am very empathic.

jmo

[rj1212]

Yeah, looks like LE wouldn't do that 1/4 mile -1200 ft jaunt to search those bags either , they were tooo busy following up on the other 4999 psychic tips.

Uh huh...not to mention the lies of a false Zanny the Nanny that LE was following up on...I'm sure that took plenty of time and resources that could've been used elsewhere...

[trich]

I think she's preparing for her new career as a motivational speaker. She fancies herself a Mark Klaas or John Walsh.

Good gravy I hope not.
Who would be motivated by a person who did not ever look for her missing grandaughter and called those that did nasty names.
Then covered for the one person who is responsible.
She does not have an ounce of the class that Mark & John and Tim have.

[aubrey04]

I see the multiple nick user is back in action. It is always so obvious. :rolleyes:

Anyway, does anyone know if there has been an estimate on the date in which little Caylee's body will be released to the Anthony's? I know the defense is doing their own autopsy and tests on it.. I just wonder how long it will be until she can be properly buried.

:(

[bama__angel]

[QUOTE=breezie;12589939]yeah, but in the next breath she told those same maggots and parasites to get OFF THEIR ASSES and find her granddaughter. can't have it both ways, Cindy. She never met a microphone she didn't have carp to say into. I bet staying quiet is killing her more than having lost her granddaughter.[/QUOTE


IN my opinion, I cant believe that you would really make this statement.

[really3997]

yeah, but in the next breath she told those same maggots and parasites to get OFF THEIR ASSES and find her granddaughter. can't have it both ways, Cindy. She never met a microphone she didn't have carp to say into. I bet staying quiet is killing her more than having lost her granddaughter.

Oh My:tonguewag:

[MrsHudson]

In answer to your question ......
Many people wish to find something nefarious about anyone beside the Anthonys.When it is quite obvious who is responsible for Caylee's murder and for all the lies , obstruction and falsehoods.
They want to doubt anybody elses intent.
Remember "No good deed goes unpunished"
It is a sad state of our society IMO.

Oh yes (I think)Lee Anthony has been bad but who knows if he has been bad enough for the LE to charge him.
It is my opinion he did indeed wipe out Casey's laptop that very night....maybe the LE was able to tell that as they say our hard drives maintain secrets that even WE have forgotten about.:tongueside:

Yes I also think Lee wiped out Casey's laptop and that's what his lawyer is referring to when he says Lee did not do anything "intentionally." The thing about that is, if he did accidentally wipe out the info in the lap top he should have explained that right away, like when it was turned over. Instead I think he told LE it was that way when he found it. Yeah, uh-huh, sure.

[PROPROS]

maybe it simply was a mistake. i know i call my kids by the other ones name all the time. maybe he was thinking about casey and it was just a slip of the tongue. i agree it was a BIG blunder after all the talk of who the father really is. JMOO i may be one of few ,but i really didn't think that much of it.:blink: don't hit me too hard guys!I'm quite sure it was a slip of the tongue...but what a slip..just saying!mo

[callmetree]

I didn't want to gossip about George and his work in law enforcement, because it isn't relevant to the case.

most of us are friends here and we sometimes get into discussions that may or may not be exactly what some want to talk about. we also from time to time make things a little lighter than things really are. myself ,i enjoy those lighter moments. there are so many posters here that are VERY knowledgeable about this case. gossip i think is what most of us do not do. we simply have discussions. seems to me one can join in or simple step away. i don't mean to step on any toes by writing this post so please don't take it that way.:smile:

[happygert]

Caylee should be the center of attention. You see enjoyment from Cindy, I see utter pain and despair. We see things through a different light.

She may be in pain but its from her own doing. The despair is from her being caught in all her lies.

Look Im so tired of everyone making Cindy out to be the victim here. SHE"S NOT CAYLEE IS! Cindy created the monster that killed her own daughter! Casey was never held accountable for her own actions!
Cindy is covering for casey once again! She's lying accusing innocent people. Cussing EVERYONE WHO HAS TRIED TO HELP. CALLING THEM NAMES, Calling TIM MILLER a DRUNK, Accusing him of STEALING MONEY!CINDY KNEW CASEY KILLED CAYLEE. She threw a little 2 year old under the bus for her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

As far as her grieving I have no doubt she is. But what is she grieving for? Is she grieving for HER MURDERING daughter who KILLED her own DAUGHTER, Is she grieving for the loss of her granddaughter ?That she no doubt could have possibly have prevented had she not used Caylee as a threat to Casey. Had she done something when she knew Casey was an unfit mother.If you don't do this I will take custody of Caylee. Should have been no threating she should have just done it!
Is she grieving for that fact that everyone knows her family is not the prefect family she portrayed? Is she in despair because she's been caught in her lies as well as casey has?

I dont get enjoyment from other peoples pain. I also dont feel sorry for people who have brought this on themselves. Had Cindy not lied to FBI LE tampered with evidence ,destroyed evidence, obstructed justice Gave wrong hairbrush to FBI I may have a little more sympathy and empathy for her. But I dont and I cant. What was at risk her was finding a 2 year old. She never once Pleaded for Caylee's safe return she did nothing to help this investigation. Only thing she tried to help was her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

Now They are asking for Immunity. No way.

[Dunlurken]

May I please ask did the medical examiner ever say how long Caylee had been there?Is that out yet?

Caylee will be in the ME's office for a long, long time. JMO. Especially if the family insists on a second autopsy which is ludicrous.

[breezie]

[QUOTE=breezie;12589939]yeah, but in the next breath she told those same maggots and parasites to get OFF THEIR ASSES and find her granddaughter. can't have it both ways, Cindy. She never met a microphone she didn't have carp to say into. I bet staying quiet is killing her more than having lost her granddaughter.[/QUOTE


IN my opinion, I cant believe that you would really make this statement.

In my opinion, skip and scroll. I feel that way. Cindy did NOTHING for Caylee past the point of calling 911. And she only did that because she wanted to one-up Casey and call her bluff.

Caylee never entered into her actions. Speaks volumes.

[Mimi428]

Cindy had a desk job.....she talked about it at the bond hearing. she wasn't working directly with patients......

If she worked as a nurse, it would not matter if she had her hands on the patient or her hands on the patient's chart, doing paperwork. Either way, the work of a registered nurse requires that she be in a far better state of mental health than I have seen her in the past several months. One of the easiest things to prove would be how delusional her thinking processes are & have been.

JMO

[steffaroob4]

Caylee will be in the ME's office for a long, long time. JMO. Especially if the family insists on a second autopsy which is ludicrous.

She has been at a local funeral home for almost a week.

[Dunlurken]

[QUOTE=bama__angel;12590101]

In my opinion, skip and scroll. I feel that way. Cindy did NOTHING for Caylee past the point of calling 911. And she only did that because she wanted to one-up Casey and call her bluff.

Caylee never entered into her actions. Speaks volumes.I'm curious why Cindy waited 31 days to call the cops. Caylee lived in her home, what was she thinking?

[Loves2Read]

You mean when your daughter killed your granddaughter?

As much as I do agree that Cindy did and said things she probably shouldn't have, I don't think their financial position right now is, or should be, any of our business. Who cares if she's working? She's living a nightmare, people. I couldn't work, I know that. As an RN, Cindy's job is to help save lives... the most important person in her life was taken away in the worst way imaginable. Cindy loved Caylee like she was her own daughter--- more, I think-- if my daughter (or granddaughter, for that matter) died even of natural causes, I'd be down for the count for God knows how long. Cindy's life right now is nothing I can even conceive of.

I can't understand why people are so concerned about how they're paying their bills. It's already been stated that they're not soliciting donations for Caylee's funeral. Why does anyone care about their water bill, for crying out loud? Why isn't the main concern how she's faring emotionally? Or how she handled Christmas with the gifts for Caylee that remain wrapped sitting under the tree? How it felt to hear "Little Drummer Boy" or "White Christmas" playing quietly on the radio and wanting nothing more than to have Caylee sitting on her lap while she read "Twas the Night Before Christmas"? Why isn't anyone wondering about that??

I can tell you WHY.... Because of her choices. The biggest and most glaring choice she made was to support her murdering daughter (yes she did know) and not wanting people to find Caylee. Those are the top two reasons for not feeling sorry for Cindy. IMO

[Carolyn2005]

She may be in pain but its from her own doing. The despair is from her being caught in all her lies.

Look Im so tired of everyone making Cindy out to be the victim here. SHE"S NOT CAYLEE IS! Cindy created the monster that killed her own daughter! Casey was never held accountable for her own actions!
Cindy is covering for casey once again! She's lying accusing innocent people. Cussing EVERYONE WHO HAS TRIED TO HELP. CALLING THEM NAMES, Calling TIM MILLER a DRUNK, Accusing him of STEALING MONEY!CINDY KNEW CASEY KILLED CAYLEE. She threw a little 2 year old under the bus for her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

As far as her grieving I have no doubt she is. But what is she grieving for? Is she grieving for HER MURDERING daughter who KILLED her own DAUGHTER, Is she grieving for the loss of her granddaughter ?That she no doubt could have possibly have prevented had she not used Caylee as a threat to Casey. Had she done something when she knew Casey was an unfit mother.If you don't do this I will take custody of Caylee. Should have been no threating she should have just done it!
Is she grieving for that fact that everyone knows her family is not the prefect family she portrayed? Is she in despair because she's been caught in her lies as well as casey has?

I dont get enjoyment from other peoples pain. I also dont feel sorry for people who have brought this on themselves. Had Cindy not lied to FBI LE tampered with evidence ,destroyed evidence, obstructed justice Gave wrong hairbrush to FBI I may have a little more sympathy and empathy for her. But I dont and I cant. What was at risk her was finding a 2 year old. She never once Pleaded for Caylee's safe return she did nothing to help this investigation. Only thing she tried to help was her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

Now They are asking for Immunity. No way.

You read my mind. I totally agree with everything you said. :thumbup:

[Dunlurken]

She has been at a local funeral home for almost a week.

Same thing. I'm hoping the burial will be private.

[Amy]

Could be that George was only a deputy and not a detective as originally stated...and he hasn't worked in LE for 23 years....He had to even ask the detective handling this case if they would be able to retrieve info from the computer after it's been deleted.....

I think he forget more then he knew and is certainly not up on current investigations, DNA, computers ...etc., JMO

@ the first of the case, when reporters were checking into backgrounds and all kinds of things, someone did interview a person currently in the law enforcement agency where George once worked, and that person (now the Sheriff or POC?) said that George was a detective.

[rj1212]

She may be in pain but its from her own doing. The despair is from her being caught in all her lies.

Look Im so tired of everyone making Cindy out to be the victim here. SHE"S NOT CAYLEE IS! Cindy created the monster that killed her own daughter! Casey was never held accountable for her own actions!
Cindy is covering for casey once again! She's lying accusing innocent people. Cussing EVERYONE WHO HAS TRIED TO HELP. CALLING THEM NAMES, Calling TIM MILLER a DRUNK, Accusing him of STEALING MONEY!CINDY KNEW CASEY KILLED CAYLEE. She threw a little 2 year old under the bus for her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

As far as her grieving I have no doubt she is. But what is she grieving for? Is she grieving for HER MURDERING daughter who KILLED her own DAUGHTER, Is she grieving for the loss of her granddaughter ?That she no doubt could have possibly have prevented had she not used Caylee as a threat to Casey. Had she done something when she knew Casey was an unfit mother.If you don't do this I will take custody of Caylee. Should have been no threating she should have just done it!
Is she grieving for that fact that everyone knows her family is not the prefect family she portrayed? Is she in despair because she's been caught in her lies as well as casey has?

I dont get enjoyment from other peoples pain. I also dont feel sorry for people who have brought this on themselves. Had Cindy not lied to FBI LE tampered with evidence ,destroyed evidence, obstructed justice Gave wrong hairbrush to FBI I may have a little more sympathy and empathy for her. But I dont and I cant. What was at risk her was finding a 2 year old. She never once Pleaded for Caylee's safe return she did nothing to help this investigation. Only thing she tried to help was her MURDERING, LYING, EVIL,THIEVING, T***P of a daughter!

Now They are asking for Immunity. No way.

Well said! ITA :thumbup:

[aubrey04]

Caylee will be in the ME's office for a long, long time. JMO. Especially if the family insists on a second autopsy which is ludicrous.

That's sad. :crying:

It seems that happens a lot in the case of murder victims. I have read accounts where it took years for the family of a murder victim to get the remains released to them. Caylee's little body was out in the woods being ravaged on by animals for months. She needs a proper and decent burial, ASAP.

:(

[Dunlurken]

@ the first of the case, when reporters were checking into backgrounds and all kinds of things, someone did interview a person currently in the law enforcement agency where George once worked, and that person (now the Sheriff or POC?) said that George was a detective.

Thinks he's good at covering up evidence? I think the whole family is in this up to their eye balls. JMO

[Dunlurken]

That's sad. :crying:

It seems that happens a lot in the case of murder victims. I have read accounts where it took years for the family of a murder victim to get the remains released to them. Caylee's little body was out in the woods being ravaged on by animals for months. She needs a proper and decent burial, ASAP.

:(the remains have been released to the Anthony's. Let's see what they do with them. Second autopsy? As I said, ludicrous.

[trich]

Yes I also think Lee wiped out Casey's laptop and that's what his lawyer is referring to when he says Lee did not do anything "intentionally." The thing about that is, if he did accidentally wipe out the info in the lap top he should have explained that right away, like when it was turned over. Instead I think he told LE it was that way when he found it. Yeah, uh-huh, sure.



Oh it most certainly was INTENTIONAL IMO. Why did he rush to TonE's to get her things...considering he just found out his neice was missing.
IMO
It most certainly was to hide whatever.....I sure hope LE has recovered it all.

[bluwaters]

You mean when your daughter killed your granddaughter?

<snip>

Yikes! Please everyone, assuming what a poster has or has not experienced can lead one to making extremely hurtful and inappropriate posts.

There is an enormous wealth of true life experience among the posters here, just as in the "real" world. Many of those experiences have unfortunately been tragic.

So, is Lee up for charges yet?
I have been away for several days...

[Dunlurken]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

I used to feel sorry for Cindy. With all the citings, etc. But when the body was found, no more sympathy from me. She should have called the cops way sooner. There is no excuse for that. JMO.

[Amy]

I can hardly wait.....I hope it will be televised....But I think Linda Baden will insist that it be....only reason she took on this case...for publicity...

I forgot who has the right to request for it to be or not...I know in the Scott Peterson trial...Sharon Roacha requested it not to be televised but Geragos had to agree to it....but I'm not sure in Florida, if there is a choice....

I just hope it is...with no commercials...and pre emptied programs...
(I might be asking for too much)....

The person who has the final say is the judge. If the judge does not want cameras in his trial, he can just say no. He can certainly take the wishes of the participants into consideration, tho.

The judges in the two SP cases (Scott Peterson and Susan Polk) said no cameras.

[Remy]

May I please ask did the medical examiner ever say how long Caylee had been there?Is that out yet?

They may be able to determine a time frame based on insect activity. COD imo, and as a veterinarian, will not be determined because even if they find drugs in Caylee's hair the levels cannot be compared to liver, kidney, blood etc.

So, it would be logical to assume that it was a contributing cause, it cannot be determined what caused the death i.e heart failure, respiratory failure, coma etc.

I think drugs may have been used and to answer your question from last evening I think Casey killed Caylee inside the home. Outside would have been too risky but who knows because Casey seems to have no fear. moo, imo

[callmetree]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

they do and usually there is no one coming behind them making snide remarks. we all have a right to our opinions.:bored:

[PROPROS]

Good gravy I hope not.
Who would be motivated by a person who did not ever look for her missing grandaughter and called those that did nasty names.
Then covered for the one person who is responsible.
She does not have an ounce of the class that Mark & John and Tim have.After hearing what Mark K had to say( regarding The Anthonys) IMO, they would not be welcome into that club. There is still "kidfinders"....but hopefully, that whole gang will be investigated and kidfinders will be a thing of the past.mo

[Elfinrow]

Hey peeps. Not a lot of time over the holidays but I wanted to mention the scaredmonkeys DanaP radio broadcast from last week. One of the th, Wendy who is an author/PI had a pretty in depth conversation with DanaP regarding the job that casey had and where she was actually taking caylee during the day.
They were speculating, that the empty apt was being used as a photo shoot apt for child porn, that there are photos and they will come out at trial. That Casey was actually "pimping" caylee out, via child porn.
This was a horrible issue that early on in this case that I wondered about, worried about and tried to discuss here. The theory was shot down several times, and then I think the incest issues lee as a father and this issue were completely shut down.
Now, Dana and Wendy pretty much seemed to know something that we joeq public dont have privvy to: That no one is talking about this issue and that this is going to all come out at trial.
If they are right, it sure would explain a lot of things:
Where caylee was during the day
doping her with Xanax and Chloro for photo shoots (which is a KNOWN habit of pedophiles who engage in child porn or worse)
the empty apt
amy talking about needing a large area in one of her txts in the anthony home for "whatever you need to do" and that txt made me think right away of a room for photo shooting, except I was always thinking of escort work not child porn or anything like that.
Her hair will tell us if she had been drugged several times, the hair found on her skull.
That Lee Cindy and George all most likely will face charges of aiding and hindering an investigation if not worse, which is what I think will happen.
That the photos that were erased; there are "worse" photos, and those are the photos that made George "vomit" during the interrogation.

That, there is so much that is blatantly obvious to them, seasoned investigators that people are NOT discussing!

So, if you missed the episode, please listen to it and tell me what you all think. I think, they are privvy to info we dont have and may just be right. It sure would explain Cindys behavior and uncover just what it was, that she was so determined to put up such a "we are a great family" front. It would explain an awful lot in this case. If Casey was pimping out Caylee, this would sure answer a lot of questions in this case. It's a horrible scenerio or theory. But it just may turn out to be blatant fact in this case. so lets discuss it, the photos that were erased by Casey were of CAYLEE, she had Lee erase things as well.

We all wondered, well why did she erase photos of Caylee? This very well could be why.
the discussion is on the radio link on the scaredmonkeys.com site.
:(

[Dunlurken]

Oh it most certainly was INTENTIONAL IMO. Why did he rush to TonE's to get her things...considering he just found out his neice was missing.
IMO
It most certainly was to hide whatever.....I sure hope LE has recovered it all.

They should all be charged. It's up to LE to decide with what. Obstruction of justice comes to mind first and foremost. Giving the wrong hairbrush? WTH? Laughing about giving the dog's toothbrush?

Yeah, lots of love coming out of that family for little Caylee. JMO.

[desmom]

Putting aside the specifics, would YOU want someone in her mental & emotional state taking care of you or anyone you cared about - as a registered NURSE???

I wouldn't. And I guarantee her employer wouldn't. She would be an absolute liability to them, working as a nurse in her documented condition. I mean documented as in being on TV & demonstrating that she cannot rationally conduct herself. She has lost at least 40 lbs in 6 months - another indication of the extreme state of her mental health.

I don't have to be the woman's best flippin' friend to recognize she is not capable of performing her job duties in the mental state she has shown to the world these past 6+ months.


JMO

Didn't Cindy say she was an office manager during the bond hearing?

[Cury-us Coyote]

She actually is a very strong woman, and I just dont get the rationalization of, well lots of people lose loved ones and have to go on, yes this is true, but most people in this world get to grieve and go threw this in private, not with media outside the home and people on the internet tearing you apart, no one except a few unfortunate select few even know what they are going through.

jmo

Do you remember CinA calling into LKL when she wasn't a guest? Do you recall CinA agreeing to exclusive interviews and attempting to discredit Beary and ununiformed LE officers? Do you remember CinA's FBI interview where she expressed her impression of the Judge? Did you see anyone forcing CinA to drive evasively thru parking lots and participate in hiding a bonded POI wearing a leg monitor and knowing full well the POI was to be arrested?

[Mimi428]

Not to knock the company you mentioned but their policy does not cover "mental or emotional disorders" it's in the fine print.

I wonder what the state of Florida has in their laws about parity in mental illness coverage.

I know that in Texas, the law was passed in the early 90's that when it comes to group health insurance coverage, mental illnesses has to be covered the same as physical illnesses.

But I don't know how the legislature views disability insurance policies in this state - & I sure don't know how Florida views any of it.

JMO

[Amy]

No doubt that Geo's detective career could be an exaggeration. If my calculations are right.. he would have ended his LE career around 1980. Back in those days, the computer technology wasn't like it is now, so that might play a role in why he wouldn't know about that... However, seems he would have learned the answer from TV.. Everyone else has.... Or that question was part of his "Poor Dumb George Act".. Who knows w/these peeps.

But Lee was the one who fiddled w/the computer--he says so in the LE interview, altho he was saying he was LOOKING for something that Casey might have deleted, etc. (I personally think HE was looking for what to delete and all.) HE is of the technology generation---HE should have known that anything that is erased that is not overwritten is still in the computer. IF he had just erased a bunch of stuff, he should have known it would still be found.

And, @ one point, it was posted that his job has to do w/computer technology. I don't know that I have ever seen an official statement about what he does for a living, but if he had anything to do w/the technology field, he should have known about the erasing thing. IMO.

[Dunlurken]

Do we really know if Caylee is still in the funeral home, or is it possible that she has been layed to rest, quietly and privately? And since it has been a holiday week, maybe they feel it was better to wait until Christmas was over. I don't think she will be left at the funeral home, as though abandoned.
Why not? She was abandoned out there in the swamp. What's the difference?

[Carol25]

[quote=breezie;12590116]I'm curious why Cindy waited 31 days to call the cops. Caylee lived in her home, what was she thinking?
A grandmother can't call LE and say my adult daughter took my granddaughter for a month and I can't find them. Her daughter is an adult and she can take her own daughter anytime she pleases.

Afterall, Casey had kept in contact with her. Many grandparents don't talk to their grandchildren for longer periods of time. What could the police do?

[Loves2Read]

I disagree with everything you shouted in anger , most especially how she brought this on herself ,that is the furthest from the truth ...unless you are refering to the publics backlash of her , but then that is a mistruth as well ...........how can anyone claim someone is responsible for having a child that turns into a monster ! That is delusional in itself .............there are all kinds of human genetic errors , by way of chromosome defects and more ............its like saying a child born with autism who bites others , or who has many different forms of down syndrome , anything on this level ,to blame the mother ..?

You really need to get a grip .

Wow... I think you need to get a grip. :angry:

You have really taken this Saint Cindy thing too far. She is not an innocent mother with a child that was born deformed. She is a player in a sad, sad drama. She tried to save and excuse a pampered princess she helped create. Blaming the Mother in most cases? No! In this case only partially. IMO

[Remy]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

Many people on the board have expressed empathy for Cindy and I'm one of them.

While I don't agree with anything she has done I think the medication she is on doesn't help her thought process and she may have suffered a breakdown.

I am much less sympathetic to George and Lee who have portrayed Cindy as controlling but have allowed her to go on tv in her state and probably have held a lot back "to protect her" so please do not make assumptions that anyone who empathizes with her gets attacked on this board because that is not true.

[happygert]

Gert ,I am so sorry for your tremendous loss, its the worst thing imaginable to happen to anyone and I truly am sorry. But you sound so bitter and only because you had to go back to work so soon ,which is insane that you had to .I don't know how you did it ! But you did and I feel sorry for you for losing your beloved child ( no greater pain to mankind ) and to add getting tight back to work ,there should be a law against it ! These short term or long term disability plans are something you usually pay for bi-weekly or however one is paid and its at your own expense ,they take it out of your pay ( I don't know what Cindy did ,or is getting ,I didn't make tha claim , Shellbar53 did) but if she is getting 66 2/3 of her pay less taxes ,she certainly qualifies ...


Again so very sorry Gert.

Thanks but Im not bitter. It's a fact of life. What gets me going is the excuses being made for Cindy. Fact is her daughter murdered her granddaughter. Caylee is the Victim here. Have no doubt Cindy is greiving for a lot of things. But Caylee was a 2 year old defensless BABY. If Cindy knew Casey was a unfit mom. And who else but the one you lived with could witness what was going on?This leads me to believe she knew there was a possibility that CayLee was in danger. Casey had no job, no home ,no money. Why didnt Cindy call LE give them casey plate number and tell them the truth from get go instead of waiting until she found Casey car?

[MrsHudson]

snipped............
Another thing that always got to me about Lee, was his role of investigator.. He is taking all of this secret information from Casey.. They are going on and on about these bad mama jamma's.. Such scary people that they can't even tell the police or FBI about these people for fear that Le will get Caylee killed. Yet, big bad Lee, is going to go after these people and take them down all by his lonesome...???? He's badder than the LE, badder than the FBI... why he's a living breathing Rambo or what?? Come on..

The idea of Lee investigating was absurd in the first place wasn't it? Oh yeah Casey does not trust the police so she wants the "family" to investigate. Was that not a crock? I can certainly imagine why she did not want LE to investigate!

And there she is acting like the director of the investigation. Then saying I have a gut feeling Caylee is okay but if that changes I will inform you all. Yes well Casey, you do that. Have your secretary type up a memo and get that out right away.

It was so absurd the way they put up with her nonsense during that time. Anyone with common sense would have told her to cut the crap about two minutes into that little act. But if you did that she would blow her cover by blowing her stack and it would be obvious she was on a hair trigger and that would make it seem more evident she was capable of hurting Caylee.

[Dunlurken]

[quote=Dunlurken;12590124]
A grandmother can't call LE and say my adult daughter took my granddaughter for a month and I can't find them. Her daughter is an adult and she can take her own daughter anytime she pleases.

Afterall, Casey had kept in contact with her. Many grandparents don't talk to their grandchildren for longer periods of time. What could the police do?

Breezie quoted my post, or else someone needs to learn how to respond to posts. LOL.

Well, I see the boards are screwed up.

[Loves2Read]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

She asked why and I answered which is my right to do. Thanks.

[MalloryCat]

Hey peeps. Not a lot of time over the holidays but I wanted to mention the scaredmonkeys DanaP radio broadcast from last week. One of the th, Wendy who is an author/PI had a pretty in depth conversation with DanaP regarding the job that casey had and where she was actually taking caylee during the day.
They were speculating, that the empty apt was being used as a photo shoot apt for child porn, that there are photos and they will come out at trial. That Casey was actually "pimping" caylee out, via child porn.
This was a horrible issue that early on in this case that I wondered about, worried about and tried to discuss here. The theory was shot down several times, and then I think the incest issues lee as a father and this issue were completely shut down.
Now, Dana and Wendy pretty much seemed to know something that we joeq public dont have privvy to: That no one is talking about this issue and that this is going to all come out at trial.
If they are right, it sure would explain a lot of things:
Where caylee was during the day
doping her with Xanax and Chloro for photo shoots (which is a KNOWN habit of pedophiles who engage in child porn or worse)
the empty apt
amy talking about needing a large area in one of her txts in the anthony home for "whatever you need to do" and that txt made me think right away of a room for photo shooting, except I was always thinking of escort work not child porn or anything like that.
Her hair will tell us if she had been drugged several times, the hair found on her skull.
That Lee Cindy and George all most likely will face charges of aiding and hindering an investigation if not worse, which is what I think will happen.
That the photos that were erased; there are "worse" photos, and those are the photos that made George "vomit" during the interrogation.

That, there is so much that is blatantly obvious to them, seasoned investigators that people are NOT discussing!

So, if you missed the episode, please listen to it and tell me what you all think. I think, they are privvy to info we dont have and may just be right. It sure would explain Cindys behavior and uncover just what it was, that she was so determined to put up such a "we are a great family" front. It would explain an awful lot in this case. If Casey was pimping out Caylee, this would sure answer a lot of questions in this case. It's a horrible scenerio or theory. But it just may turn out to be blatant fact in this case. so lets discuss it, the photos that were erased by Casey were of CAYLEE, she had Lee erase things as well.

We all wondered, well why did she erase photos of Caylee? This very well could be why.
the discussion is on the radio link on the scaredmonkeys.com site.
:(

OH good, so now Cindy knew Casey was pimping Caylee out.

Wow.

[PROPROS]

You read my mind. I totally agree with everything you said. :thumbup:Yep...Let's not forget that Carlos Padilla stated that The Anthonys were blowing smoke and had "not cooperated" with LE. mo

[ishkabibble]

the remains have been released to the Anthony's. Let's see what they do with them. Second autopsy? As I said, ludicrous.

Dr Perper was a guest on Nancy Grace and said you cannot do an autopsy on a skelton, only a visual examination of the bones. So at least she doesn't have to undergo that indignity. Just the indignity that her mother disposed of her like trash on the side of the highway.

[Dunlurken]

Let me start a new post until people learn how to quote, and respond.

[Hey Paula]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

I have great compassion for Cindy. I KNOW she loved Caylee very much, and that her life will forever be altered by Caylee's death and that her own daughter might have caused it. Believing Casey, was believing Caylee was alive.

In retrospect, following proof of Caylee's demise, I venture to say that Cindy felt an overwhelming amount of guilt, believing the argument between her and Casey caused her daughter to leave the house with Caylee, and might very well have been the catalyst for her beloved granddaughter's demise.

IMO

[happygert]

Putting aside the specifics, would YOU want someone in her mental & emotional state taking care of you or anyone you cared about - as a registered NURSE???

I wouldn't. And I guarantee her employer wouldn't. She would be an absolute liability to them, working as a nurse in her documented condition. I mean documented as in being on TV & demonstrating that she cannot rationally conduct herself. She has lost at least 40 lbs in 6 months - another indication of the extreme state of her mental health.

I don't have to be the woman's best flippin' friend to recognize she is not capable of performing her job duties in the mental state she has shown to the world these past 6+ months.


JMO

She's a manager she sits in a office. Or atleast thats what she said under oath at casey's bond hearing.

[really3997]

She actually is a very strong woman, and I just dont get the rationalization of, well lots of people lose loved ones and have to go on, yes this is true, but most people in this world get to grieve and go threw this in private, not with media outside the home and people on the internet tearing you apart, no one except a few unfortunate select few even know what they are going through.

jmo


Not that I want to defend the Media however, they are no longer in front of the house. And I believe they have left them alone to grieve. JMO what I think people are upset about that in the past Cindy seeks out the media only to complicate things with her version of the facts. Cindy will have a much better time if when she does decide to speak in front of the Media she thanks people for their thoughts and prays and moves on. The fear is that she cannot do this and will start the blame game, nanny did it, meter reader did it..or whatever she picks. I believe Cindy has at the moment turned some people around but that will all go away with one wrong choice of words...again JMO

[irishkitty24]

That Casey was actually "pimping" caylee out, via child porn.
This was a horrible issue that early on in this case that I wondered about, worried about and tried to discuss here. The theory was shot down several times, and then I think the incest issues lee as a father and this issue were completely shut down.
:(

The thought has crossed my mind, among many others. But to go there you have to get other thoughts, too, after some of this family's history ahs come to light.

I hate to think that anyone else was involved or knew. Seems that money was a big issue. CA couldn't be possibly supporting Casey's lifestyle, as well as the families, on her own.

But I don't want to speculate and get banned. Besides, I would rather not have those thoughts going thru my mind.

That poor, sweet little girl, Caylee.

If this is true I am sure there is ample evidence. I will wait (im)patiently for the trial.

[margaritaville]

I disagree with everything you shouted in anger , most especially how she brought this on herself ,that is the furthest from the truth ...unless you are refering to the publics backlash of her , but then that is a mistruth as well ...........how can anyone claim someone is responsible for having a child that turns into a monster ! That is delusional in itself .............there are all kinds of human genetic errors , by way of chromosome defects and more ............its like saying a child born with autism who bites others , or who has many different forms of down syndrome , anything on this level ,to blame the mother ..?

You really need to get a grip .

I disagree with you!!

Cindy created the moster that killed Caylee! How? By treating Caylee like she was her mother and over minding Casey in front of Caylee.
By teaching Caylee to call her (Cindy) Mom in front of Casey.
By filling her room full of toys and clothes that her own Mother could NEVER have done. By always showing Calee who had the "power" her, not Casey. By not allowing Casey to give up the baby that she knew she was not ready for. Cindy did all of these things which in turn made Casey hate Caylee....so she killed her!

IMHO

[steffaroob4]

They may be able to determine a time frame based on insect activity. COD imo, and as a veterinarian, will not be determined because even if they find drugs in Caylee's hair the levels cannot be compared to liver, kidney, blood etc.

So, it would be logical to assume that it was a contributing cause, it cannot be determined what caused the death i.e heart failure, respiratory failure, coma etc.

I think drugs may have been used and to answer your question from last evening I think Casey killed Caylee inside the home. Outside would have been too risky but who knows because Casey seems to have no fear. moo, imo

Remy,

Do you think LE could check the dogs hair to see if there were signs of drug being given to the pets as practice? Would dog hair show traces of chemicals like human hair? Is there any other way to check dogs for long time drug use?

[Amy]

Depending on the type and percentage of disability, you can be allowed to make a certain amount of additional income. Ex DH is disabled from job-related accident and is allowed to make some income.

I can't remember what all jobs George was to have had since they moved from OH, nor what type of job he was doing when something happened that he was eligible for disability. In the post you responded to, the poster was mentioning the salary was generally $9 or so an hour in the security field, so it might well be that a security job would fit in w/his still being able to collect on disability (if he is.)

[happygert]

You mean when your daughter killed your granddaughter?

As much as I do agree that Cindy did and said things she probably shouldn't have, I don't think their financial position right now is, or should be, any of our business. Who cares if she's working? She's living a nightmare, people. I couldn't work, I know that. As an RN, Cindy's job is to help save lives... the most important person in her life was taken away in the worst way imaginable. Cindy loved Caylee like she was her own daughter--- more, I think-- if my daughter (or granddaughter, for that matter) died even of natural causes, I'd be down for the count for God knows how long. Cindy's life right now is nothing I can even conceive of.

I can't understand why people are so concerned about how they're paying their bills. It's already been stated that they're not soliciting donations for Caylee's funeral. Why does anyone care about their water bill, for crying out loud? Why isn't the main concern how she's faring emotionally? Or how she handled Christmas with the gifts for Caylee that remain wrapped sitting under the tree? How it felt to hear "Little Drummer Boy" or "White Christmas" playing quietly on the radio and wanting nothing more than to have Caylee sitting on her lap while she read "Twas the Night Before Christmas"? Why isn't anyone wondering about that??

NO it wasn't my daughter that killed my granddaughter! It was Cindys daughter that killed her granddaughter

[Regina.Lampert]

And Lee's oft repeated statement by Cindy that LE was supposed to serve and protect and they were not doing that for Caylee. Ironic, no?

Ironic, yes. Not to mention the threat cynthia delivered to the public at large, when she stated it would be their fault if Caylee was killed, because no one was looking for a "live" Caylee.

So many disgusting statements by this disrespectful family it makes me angry all over again.

[Elfinrow]

I disagree with everything you shouted in anger , most especially how she brought this on herself ,that is the furthest from the truth ...snip.

You know what, I really believe that Caylee is the victim here. It's unfortunate, but all the records that the public does have show proof that Cindy has hindered and lied in this investigation. She has attempted to put out a lot of "false info" in this case. To the FBI and LE on TAPE.

This family will never belong to "the club" because their behavior has been criminal. Criminals usually are the ones who have a need to ask for "immunity" and thats because they have broken LAWS.

The pathology in that family and the violence and mentally ill behavior is what Casey A was raised in. Believe me, how she was raised and by whom have a LOT to do with why Caylee is dead, and why we are all sitting here right now. Just look at Dahmers mother, and her pathology during her pregnancy; what she was like when she was carrying him.

I believe just the opposite. There is a huge problem with this family which we know of by fact, in Ricks emails to LE and in Cindy's own mothers emails and affidavit to LE. Thats a sad fact, but these people raised Casey and they will have to one day realize yes they raised a pretty sick child. They have exhibited violence on tape, violence toward each other, protesters, just the general public. They have used words such as Maggots, to describe the general public. When they most likely knew that Maggots were eating Caylee alive at that time. I believe that they knew exactly where her little body was. The whole family. A family who lies together, like they have shown the world, lies together, sticks together. It's a terrible pathology that has gone on in this family. Awful that all of this unfolded in the public eye the way it has. I have no empathy for the anthonys as I believe they are totally involved in covering up Caylee's death, the photographs of her, Casey's "job" and whatever else she was invovled in. Especially Lee. That's just my theory, my take on this crime.

[suzanne]

Caylee will be in the ME's office for a long, long time. JMO. Especially if the family insists on a second autopsy which is ludicrous.

Ok,Thank you for answering me.

[trich]

I'm sure others have their own reasons for feeling sorry for Cindy, and they should be able to express those reason's just as freely on the board.

Yes just as those that dislike Cindy for the way she has behaved.
IMO more people are attacked here for not feeling the love for Cindy then those that do.

[Ellie]

Ellie, did you think before you wrote this to someone who lost two children?

My most sincere apologies to anyone here who has lost a child. Several of my closest friends have lost children. But it brings to mind a quote... "judge not, lest ye be judged". Or something like that. Someone who has been through this kind of pain should be the last person judging someone who is going through it.

[steffaroob4]

A grandmother can't call LE and say my adult daughter took my granddaughter for a month and I can't find them. Her daughter is an adult and she can take her own daughter anytime she pleases.

Afterall, Casey had kept in contact with her. Many grandparents don't talk to their grandchildren for longer periods of time. What could the police do?

I dunno, if that grandmother had reasons to be concerned for the the safety of the child, like the mother stealing and the mother taking a car she didn't have permission to have at the time, I think there is some room here to get LE or social services involved.

[suzanne]

I don't think it will ever be determined.

JMO
Ok,Thankyou very much.

[happygert]

I can tell you WHY.... Because of her choices. The biggest and most glaring choice she made was to support her murdering daughter (yes she did know) and not wanting people to find Caylee. Those are the top two reasons for not feeling sorry for Cindy. IMO

ITA! Left Caylee all alone

[Elfinrow]

Ironic, yes. Not to mention the threat cynthia delivered to the public at large, when she stated it would be their fault if Caylee was killed, because no one was looking for a "live" Caylee.

So many disgusting statements by this disrespectful family it makes me angry all over again.

Gina me too. Im sure with you on that. What do you think about casey pimping out caylee. Do you think this is why there were hundreds of photos of her in the first place and why they were all erased? I think there will be a plea in this case, and no trial. There will most likely not be cameras as taking out the circus would be the smartest thing to do, just like Spector II. Best decision in these types of cases is to take out the circus. Take down the tent before it's ever put up. I hope that Judge S takes this route in this case. It would be the best way to try the case.

[CNTM]

I can't remember what all jobs George was to have had since they moved from OH, nor what type of job he was doing when something happened that he was eligible for disability. In the post you responded to, the poster was mentioning the salary was generally $9 or so an hour in the security field, so it might well be that a security job would fit in w/his still being able to collect on disability (if he is.)

Yes, thank you. I did not catch the salary. He may very well have been eligible to work security. I have a neighbor in the same field and same predicament. :thumbup:

hammer on me

[happygert]

I'd guess they are grateful that you won't be making that decision.

I'm sure they are. Because if I was prosecution they'd be brought up on many charges. They'd be in a cell right next to their daughter. 3 hots and a cot.

[Remy]

Remy,

Do you think LE could check the dogs hair to see if there were signs of drug being given to the pets as practice? Would dog hair show traces of chemicals like human hair? Is there any other way to check dogs for long time drug use?

Hi Stef, and the answer is yes and yes. It may too late to check the blood but it's possible that a needle biopsy on the liver would indicate "doses" and the hair would definitely show.

I didn't even consider that! The liver and kidneys are involved in the metabolism of everything so it very well could reveal what was going on.

Tell Kitty, and get those dogs!!

[Lavenia]

I have to say upfront I am no fan of the Ants. I don't like what they've done one little bit and I think they could have really done better for Casey and themselves if they would have done things the right way. That being said, I have to temper my opinion of them for the time being until I have more info, only because I don't have any idea what it's REALLY like to be in their shoes. I would certainly think I would do the right thing but then I wonder why so many parents of murderers do the same as the Ants and deny and make excuses. Is that what makes the murderer who they are or does that come after the crime as a defense mechanism to the family?

Also, I can't come down on the parenting of Casey so much. So far, my kids' problems have been run of the mill but I have to say, I have been confused sometimes over when some of their problems were a real problem that might need intervention or whether they were normal "growing pains" or such. I look back at my own adolescence and :scared:! I didn't do any crimes against people or anything violent, but I was quite the wild child. I feel like I have been a well-grounded adult with no major problems. I've see in many families though, that can be a fine line to determine. Even if Cindy/George DID see a "real" problem, we seem to be divided on how they should have handled it. I see some saying they spoiled Casey and some saying they didn't do enough. I hate to see the parents catching the blame when it belongs to Casey.

I'm a little uncomfortable blaming the Ants for anything other than screwing the aftermath of this up so far.

[Carol25]

[quote=Carol25;12590176]

Breezie quoted my post, or else someone needs to learn how to respond to posts. LOL.

Well, I see the boards are screwed up.
How did my post get your name on it? I guess things did get messed up!

[Amy]

George is in the "pushing 60 bracket"~ 57-58 IIRC

The disability came from a knee injury, treatment and recovery time caused his previous position to be eliminated, thus he was able to search for another security job....or have some company search for him, IIRC from his interview with LE/FBI.

He may be receiving a partial diability payment based on % of physical damage.

IMO

I was thinking Cindy was older than George, but you are right. Cindy's DOB is 6/5/58 and George's is 9/5/51.

[Dunlurken]

Ok,Thank you for answering me.

No problem. I'm behind on reading. Trying to play catch up.

[Elfinrow]

I'm sure they are. Because if I was prosecution they'd be brought up on many charges. They'd be in a cell right next to their daughter. 3 hots and a cot.

All in good time Gert. :) NO worries because this case is far from over, and watching it all unfold will be pretty interesting and sad to boot.

Even after her trial if there is one, they could be charged then if they are not given immunity. The show I listened to that I am discussing here this morning really said that they will most likely use cindy and George against Casey, and then pit them all against each other to get at the real truth. I am with them, on this issue. It needs to be done.

[steffaroob4]

Hi Stef, and the answer is yes and yes. It may too late to check the blood but it's possible that a needle biopsy on the liver would indicate "doses" and the hair would definitely show.

I didn't even consider that! The liver and kidneys are involved in the metabolism of everything so it very well could reveal what was going on.

Tell Kitty, and get those dogs!!

Lol, thanks, that is very interesting. I was thinking LE may have took samples of hair from the dogs, I wish we could see those search warrants, I thought it odd that Mallory didn't remove the pets from the house before LE came in for the search. Those dogs are high-strung, if they were mine, I wouldn't want them in the house when strangers were there, I always thought it was weird they were left in the house.

[Mimi428]

You are correct group health insurance does cover mental illnesses, the poster was talking about a company that markets supplemental insurance policy's which can exclude whatever the company wants to exclude.


I am the poster who was talking about supplemental disability insurance which could be provided by an employer.

I was just pondering about whether or not the state of Florida would allow that type of policy (disability) to be sold with that exclusion. There is such a wide disparity in state laws, some are so much more consumer friendly, others are more insurance company friendly - I just have no idea how Florida is in that regard.

[Dunlurken]

[quote=Dunlurken;12590188]
How did my post get your name on it? I guess things did get messed up!

I know. Let's hope it gets better. When things you supposedly said aren't what you said, it gets really scarey around here. LOL.

I will not click on the scared monkey link. JMO.

[Ellie]

I can tell you WHY.... Because of her choices. The biggest and most glaring choice she made was to support her murdering daughter (yes she did know) and not wanting people to find Caylee. Those are the top two reasons for not feeling sorry for Cindy. IMO

I'm not asking you to feel sorry for her, that wasn't the point of my post. My point is, why is their (or her) financial disposition anyone's business.

[Amy]

I didn't hear about the disability part...however, he would be lucky making 9.00 an hour being a security guard in Florida....He could have very easily gotten into LE here in Florida when he came here....He had the background experience and that would have paid more....Sheriff's Deputies here make a decent salary....Unless Cindy didn't want him to be in LE, I can not understand why he didn't take that route.....

IIRC, her brother Rick says she forced the issue for George to get out of law enforcement because of the dangers (like, being killed in the line of duty) because she did not want to have to raise their children on her own. (That was either when she was pregnant w/Lee, or after he was born, but I'm thinking it was before Casey was born.)

Some have posted that he got out because Cindy tho't he would become rich in the autosales thing, but I don't recall brother Rick mentioning that, but I didn't see all his posts.) But, either way, it would seem that if Cindy did not want him in LE in OH, she wouldn't have wanted hiim to be there in FL, either.

I don't think it would have anything to do w/his record as LE in OH, because the Sheriff or POC that was interviewed early in the case indicated he was a good detective. Altho, he did not directly address the issue of why George left LE. I guess that would come under personnel issues, and he wouldn't be free to discuss it.

[PROPROS]

The idea of Lee investigating was absurd in the first place wasn't it? Oh yeah Casey does not trust the police so she wants the "family" to investigate. Was that not a crock? I can certainly imagine why she did not want LE to investigate!

And there she is acting like the director of the investigation. Then saying I have a gut feeling Caylee is okay but if that changes I will inform you all. Yes well Casey, you do that. Have your secretary type up a memo and get that out right away.

It was so absurd the way they put up with her nonsense during that time. Anyone with common sense would have told her to cut the crap about two minutes into that little act. But if you did that she would blow her cover by blowing her stack and it would be obvious she was on a hair trigger and that would make it seem more evident she was capable of hurting Caylee.:thumbsup:ITA...it was nonsense and she wanted to point out "red flags" and "this is key" to LE and the FBI. After her interview with LE,when Melich trys to reason with her (regarding Caseys lies) she shuts down, says she is grieving and that Casey "would not" hurt Caylee "she loves that child"....This is when I realized that it was now about Casey no longer Caylee. Cindy...Are you looking for an alive Caylee? Melich....Cindy, we are looking for Caylee.mo

[Cury-us Coyote]

They may be able to determine a time frame based on insect activity. COD imo, and as a veterinarian, will not be determined because even if they find drugs in Caylee's hair the levels cannot be compared to liver, kidney, blood etc.

So, it would be logical to assume that it was a contributing cause, it cannot be determined what caused the death i.e heart failure, respiratory failure, coma etc.

I think drugs may have been used and to answer your question from last evening I think Casey killed Caylee inside the home. Outside would have been too risky but who knows because Casey seems to have no fear. moo, imo

Do you think bone marrow analysis is possible? TIA

[Dunlurken]

All in good time Gert. :) NO worries because this case is far from over, and watching it all unfold will be pretty interesting and sad to boot.

Even after her trial if there is one, they could be charged then if they are not given immunity. The show I listened to that I am discussing here this morning really said that they will most likely use cindy and George against Casey, and then pit them all against each other to get at the real truth. I am with them, on this issue. It needs to be done.

Prosecution doesn't need to "use" Cindy and George against Casey. It's all out there for all the world to see. They probably won't even be called as witnesses because they are prejudicial and will have their own charges by the time this goes to trial.

Can anyone think of a reason why the transcripts from the jail wouldn't be allowed in court? They knew they were being taped..... man, they are all going down. JMO.

[Dunlurken]

Do you think bone marrow analysis is possible? TIA

yes, and the hair too.

[steffaroob4]

Do you think bone marrow analysis is possible? TIA

I was just wondering the same thing. Can they find anything with marrow, and do you think marrow would still be available after all this time & the flooding?

[Ellie]

Oh it most certainly was INTENTIONAL IMO. Why did he rush to TonE's to get her things...considering he just found out his neice was missing.
IMO
It most certainly was to hide whatever.....I sure hope LE has recovered it all.


I agree, he probably did intentionally try to erase Casey's computer memory. My question is, why was he gone for 2 hours? I thought Tony only lived a few miles away. Does anyone know if he's ever been asked that?

[Carol25]

OH good, so now Cindy knew Casey was pimping Caylee out.

Wow.
In the interview where George vomited, there was a section of the interview where they were talking about a picture that was very bad. I don't recall exactly what was said, but George knew about it and he said either he didn't want Lee to know about it or Lee did know about it and he didn't want anyone else to know about it. It was very troubling to him.

I think the interview was on video tape and the picture was shown to him and he had to put it out of sight. Not sure.

[Lavenia]

weird, it happened in one of my posts, too

yikes, it happened again

When the quotes start getting wonky, look in the body of the quote. You will see there are TWO people quoted. Just cut out the second person and it will be fixed. If that's not done and people keep quoting it will stay messed up.

[MalloryCat]

I have to say upfront I am no fan of the Ants. I don't like what they've done one little bit and I think they could have really done better for Casey and themselves if they would have done things the right way. That being said, I have to temper my opinion of them for the time being until I have more info, only because I don't have any idea what it's REALLY like to be in their shoes. I would certainly think I would do the right thing but then I wonder why so many parents of murderers do the same as the Ants and deny and make excuses. Is that what makes the murderer who they are or does that come after the crime as a defense mechanism to the family?

Also, I can't come down on the parenting of Casey so much. So far, my kids' problems have been run of the mill but I have to say, I have been confused sometimes over when some of their problems were a real problem that might need intervention or whether they were normal "growing pains" or such. I look back at my own adolescence and :scared:! I didn't do any crimes against people or anything violent, but I was quite the wild child. I feel like I have been a well-grounded adult with no major problems. I've see in many families though, that can be a fine line to determine. Even if Cindy/George DID see a "real" problem, we seem to be divided on how they should have handled it. I see some saying they spoiled Casey and some saying they didn't do enough. I hate to see the parents catching the blame when it belongs to Casey.

I'm a little uncomfortable blaming the Ants for anything other than screwing the aftermath of this up so far.

Nice Post Lavenia!

[Dunlurken]

I agree, he probably did intentionally try to erase Casey's computer memory. My question is, why was he gone for 2 hours? I thought Tony only lived a few miles away. Does anyone know if he's ever been asked that?

Lee is also in this up to his eyeballs. Pretty strange everyone has lawyered up now and shut their yappers. JMO.

[Ladyhawk]

Do you remember CinA calling into LKL when she wasn't a guest? Do you recall CinA agreeing to exclusive interviews and attempting to discredit Beary and ununiformed LE officers? Do you remember CinA's FBI interview where she expressed her impression of the Judge? Did you see anyone forcing CinA to drive evasively thru parking lots and participate in hiding a bonded POI wearing a leg monitor and knowing full well the POI was to be arrested?

You are so right Cury.....everytime the sympathy excuses start, all we really have to do is go all the way back to the beginning and remember EVERYTHING that was done for Casey....not Caylee. Too often no one recalls all that the A's have done that has not been on the up-and-up.

[Amy]

I know that Cindy is an RN and she might have had some time coming to her but not this long....depending on the place of her employment she might have been able to take an early out....

Other then that, I can not imagine how they are making ends meet...unless Lee took on a second job to help out.....

I would imagine this would fall under the Family Emergency Leave thing, but that is not a paid leave. If her place of employment has Paid Time Off, she might have had some of that built up, but don't think it could be all that much available to her, considering she had taken off June 5-12, and I read in the last couple of days that supposedly she also took off a week around June 30. That would be 80 hours right there, and even if she had had 300 hours (the limit where I work) in her PTO "bank" that would have been used up pretty much by now, I would think. If she had had 300 hours available, took 80 hours in June, that would leave only 5 1/2 weeks pay available.

That would get them halfway into August, if she had that available to her.

[steffaroob4]

Monday Dec. 28, 2008 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html?eref=rss_crime)

2 PM ET - Will Lee Anthony face criminal charges? Someone who claims to be an adviser to Lee, who is the brother of Casey Anthony, told a local Orlando media outlet that the state attorney's office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting. The adviser, attorney Thomas Luka, says the state could charge Lee even if it was not Lee's intention to commit a crime. Luka says that Lee Anthony had been conducting his own investigation and looking into leads for other suspects. Luka adds that the Anthony family is preparing to be called as witnesses in the case. Also today, investigators are reportedly focusing on computer searches on a computer in the Anthony home during the same time someone was searching "neck breaking" and "how to make chloroform". Computer records reportedly show someone did a Google search for "One Tree Hill's" 100th episode -- which is about a nanny kidnapping a child. (From Matthew Zarrell, Nancy Grace Associate Producer

[norwood]

[quote=Dunlurken;12590124]
A grandmother can't call LE and say my adult daughter took my granddaughter for a month and I can't find them. Her daughter is an adult and she can take her own daughter anytime she pleases.

Afterall, Casey had kept in contact with her. Many grandparents don't talk to their grandchildren for longer periods of time. What could the police do?

Actually any member of the family should have and could have called the police and reported this. All they had to do was say that a 2 year was involved and you were concerned with safety of the child as you knew your daughter did not have a means of support or place to live and had stolen money etc.

[Hey Paula]

Very nice post Paula.....I do agree.

Thanks, Narc.

[Dunlurken]

In the interview where George vomited, there was a section of the interview where they were talking about a picture that was very bad. I don't recall exactly what was said, but George knew about it and he said either he didn't want Lee to know about it or Lee did know about it and he didn't want anyone else to know about it. It was very troubling to him.

I think the interview was on video tape and the picture was shown to him and he had to put it out of sight. Not sure.

Do you have a link to that? TIA.

[CNTM]

When the quotes start getting wonky, look in the body of the quote. You will see there are TWO people quoted. Just cut out the second person and it will be fixed. If that's not done and people keep quoting it will stay messed up.

Thank you Lavenia!:thumbsup:

[Loves2Read]

I'm not asking you to feel sorry for her, that wasn't the point of my post. My point is, why is their (or her) financial disposition anyone's business.

In your original post I did read a small part about financial matters, but that last larger part was about Cindy and how she was this Christmas and why no one wondered how she was doing.

THAT is the part I was responding to. IMO The point of your post seemed to be feeling sorry for Cindy.

I don't really care to discuss anyone's personal financial matters unless it has a direct bearing on this case.

Now that we have that cleared up, what is your opinion on Casey's reaction to the news that her daughter was found dead?

[Dunlurken]

[QUOTE=Carol25;12590176]

Actually any member of the family should have and could have called the police and reported this. All they had to do was say that a 2 year was involved and you were concerned with safety of the child as you knew your daughter did not have a means of support or place to live and had stolen money etc.

The posts were screwed up. I never said that. Hopefully, people will learn how to post. LOL.

[Amy]

I have to disagree with you. She will be kept in protective custody as long as necessary, not only for her protection, but for the protection of the other inmates, as well as jail/prison personnel. The authorities will not allow for a dangerous situation just because she is Casey Anthony.
imo

They do put them in general population eventually. Susan Smith went to GP, don't know how long she was in before she was put there, tho.

[happygert]

[quote=Dunlurken;12590124]
A grandmother can't call LE and say my adult daughter took my granddaughter for a month and I can't find them. Her daughter is an adult and she can take her own daughter anytime she pleases.

Afterall, Casey had kept in contact with her. Many grandparents don't talk to their grandchildren for longer periods of time. What could the police do?


Carol, here we can call PD and tell them we want a wellness check done. They have to produce child . Don't know why Cindy didnt call LE either especially if she thought casey was unfit, no home and no money.

[Regina.Lampert]

Gina me too. Im sure with you on that. What do you think about casey pimping out caylee. Do you think this is why there were hundreds of photos of her in the first place and why they were all erased? I think there will be a plea in this case, and no trial. There will most likely not be cameras as taking out the circus would be the smartest thing to do, just like Spector II. Best decision in these types of cases is to take out the circus. Take down the tent before it's ever put up. I hope that Judge S takes this route in this case. It would be the best way to try the case.


I would not put anything past this babykiller, but I rather doubt the child porn angle because that disgusting sideline is very lucrative. Where's the money? Why was casey anthony stealing from everyone if she had this source of income?

[Ellie]

Hey peeps. Not a lot of time over the holidays but I wanted to mention the scaredmonkeys DanaP radio broadcast from last week. One of the th, Wendy who is an author/PI had a pretty in depth conversation with DanaP regarding the job that casey had and where she was actually taking caylee during the day.

:(

OMG. Oh my GOD I hope they're wrong. It hurts inside to even think about this being the truth.

I've often wondered about the photos that made George vomit. I thought they were of Casey though.

[Lavenia]

Nice Post Lavenia!

Thanks, Mal. They make it awfully easy to blame them, IMO, but there's one thing I've learned in my life and it's to never say, "never". I just don't KNOW what I would do despite what I really, really, really, think and hope I would do. The mind is an extremely powerful thing and it's idea of protecting us can be mighty puzzling to those observing.

[MichelleP]

Monday Dec. 28, 2008 (http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/09/08/NGfindcayleeblog/index.html?eref=rss_crime)

2 PM ET - Will Lee Anthony face criminal charges? Someone who claims to be an adviser to Lee, who is the brother of Casey Anthony, told a local Orlando media outlet that the state attorney's office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting. The adviser, attorney Thomas Luka, says the state could charge Lee even if it was not Lee's intention to commit a crime. Luka says that Lee Anthony had been conducting his own investigation and looking into leads for other suspects. Luka adds that the Anthony family is preparing to be called as witnesses in the case. Also today, investigators are reportedly focusing on computer searches on a computer in the Anthony home during the same time someone was searching "neck breaking" and "how to make chloroform". Computer records reportedly show someone did a Google search for "One Tree Hill's" 100th episode -- which is about a nanny kidnapping a child. (From Matthew Zarrell, Nancy Grace Associate Producer

I really hope they just stop talking about it and just do it. I also hope they arrest everyone in this investigation they can.

[StarShine]

I have great compassion for Cindy. I KNOW she loved Caylee very much, and that her life will forever be altered by Caylee's death and that her own daughter might have caused it. Believing Casey, was believing Caylee was alive.

In retrospect, following proof of Caylee's demise, I venture to say that Cindy felt an overwhelming amount of guilt, believing the argument between her and Casey caused her daughter to leave the house with Caylee, and might very well have been the catalyst for her beloved granddaughter's demise.

IMO


ITA with you Paula.

[Dunlurken]

Yep, posts are screwed up. CW.... I never said that. LOL.

[Carol25]

Do you have a link to that? TIA.
If someone can direct me, never mind, I'll go back to the forums and look for the doc dumps.

BTW, Some quoted posts are showing up that appear to be mine that aren't. Happened with you, Dunlurkin and Norwood and one of mine that I quoted Dunlurkin went back to one of mine. Don't know why...

Looking for that link now.

[Carol25]

[quote=Carol25;12590176]


Carol, here we can call PD and tell them we want a wellness check done. They have to produce child . Don't know why Cindy didnt call LE either especially if she thought casey was unfit, no home and no money.

Good point!

[happygert]

I think that as Ellie's point....that your situations aren't similar so you going back to work isn't necessarily what Cindy should do.

Tired of excuses for Cindy.. I have been the mother of a missing child and I have buried children. I know what they are both like. CINDY IS NOT THE VICTIM!

[KatieKates]

I'm sure they are. Because if I was prosecution they'd be brought up on many charges. They'd be in a cell right next to their daughter. 3 hots and a cot.


And you'd be fired from your prosecution job faster than it took to file those charges because you need hard proof. Things aren't always the way the appear, and then you'd be shamed for wasting the tax payers money when there are a lot of other little Caylee's that would have deserved your attention a bit more than getting even with a grieving mother/grandmother who handed in the wrong hairbrush. I'd ask for your job in a New York minute for wasting the courts time with this drivel. JMO, of course.

[Lavenia]

I would not put anything past this babykiller, but I rather doubt the child porn angle because that disgusting sideline is very lucrative. Where's the money? Why was casey anthony stealing from everyone if she had this source of income?

Hey Reggie! :seeya: ITA.

[Dunlurken]

I would not put anything past this babykiller, but I rather doubt the child porn angle because that disgusting sideline is very lucrative. Where's the money? Why was casey anthony stealing from everyone if she had this source of income?

I think the child porn is an huge possibility. So Casey drops her child off at Sawgrass, like normal, knowing that Caylee will be used to take photos.

wow, I just had a strange thought. Didn't Jesse Grund say Casey wanted to go into photography? This gets stranger and stranger, and I'm thinking out loud.

The video of Caylee on her Great Grand Father's knee scares the carp out of me. She was afraid to move......you guys take it from there. JMO.

[5boxersmom]

Carol, here we can call PD and tell them we want a wellness check done. They have to produce child . Don't know why Cindy didnt call LE either especially if she thought casey was unfit, no home and no money.

They could have taken the car too, it was in their name. What would Casey have done without the car?

[MichelleP]

And you'd be fired from your prosecution job faster than it took to file those charges because you need hard proof. Things aren't always the way the appear, and then you'd be shamed for wasting the tax payers money when there are a lot of other little Caylee's that would have deserved your attention a bit more than getting even with a grieving mother/grandmother who handed in the wrong hairbrush. I'd ask for your job in a New York minute for wasting the courts time with this drivel. JMO, of course.

Name some.

[KatieKates]

Name some.

Name some what?

[VC2]

I have great compassion for Cindy. I KNOW she loved Caylee very much, and that her life will forever be altered by Caylee's death and that her own daughter might have caused it. Believing Casey, was believing Caylee was alive.
In retrospect, following proof of Caylee's demise, I venture to say that Cindy felt an overwhelming amount of guilt, believing the argument between her and Casey caused her daughter to leave the house with Caylee, and might very well have been the catalyst for her beloved granddaughter's demise.

IMO

Exactly!! It was not protecting caysee per se but protecting her belief that caylee was alive. And really, I do not blame her for that. Think of the hundreds of parents of missing children who refuse to believe they are dead, the hornbecks are a good example. Until their body is found they keep believing. How much more would someone need to believe this when the perpetrator was your daughter if she was dead? LE keeps looking for a dead body and arrests your daughter, to me it makes sense she then looked at them almost as the enemy. They were...to her belief that caylee was alive.

Cindy handled this unbelievably badly imo and i don't like her but i do not think she deliberately covered up for casey knowing caylee was dead. I dont think she allowed that thought to cross her mind after the first terror induced call and smell of the car. That was pushed away and undone in her mind replaced by a frantic belief caylee was still alive and therefore caysee was wrongly accused. I don't care how much a kid lies, or young adult. The leap to being a murderer of your grandchild is HUGE.

i also think she was psychologically fragile before caylee went missing, and therefore just ripe to be in such denial that she behaved/said things that seem irrational. The majority of her attacks on people (tim, LE etc) were ALL based on the fact they believed caylee was dead and or searching for a body. Add medication/tranquilizers and im convinced that until the body was found she fully felt caylee was alive. I doubt she even believed it was caylee until the dna came back.

imo

[Mimi428]

If someone can direct me, never mind, I'll go back to the forums and look for the doc dumps.

BTW, Some quoted posts are showing up that appear to be mine that aren't. Happened with you, Dunlurkin and Norwood and one of mine that I quoted Dunlurkin went back to one of mine. Don't know why...

Looking for that link now.

If you take a look at them, you can see what is messing them up.

Look at the block where the quoted post is - then look just above it - where you will see a partial quote from another person. Make sure your post does not include stuff like that & it won't be a problem.


ETA - look at posts 444, 469, 477, 490 & 491 for examples of what I am referring to.

[steffaroob4]

This.....QUOTE=steffaroob4;12590260QUOTE=Dunlurken ;12590252... is at the top of the post you quoted. Just make sure there is only one name, the person you are quoting, in above where you type and the quotes will be right.


thanks
I will, I tried editing one and screwed it up, then ran out of time to fix it the right way, I just want everyone to be aware that a glitch is up, so there is no confusion as to anything said.

[MichelleP]

Name some what?

"there are a lot of other little Caylee's that would have deserved your attention a bit more"

[PROPROS]

[QUOTE=Carol25;12590176]

Actually any member of the family should have and could have called the police and reported this. All they had to do was say that a 2 year was involved and you were concerned with safety of the child as you knew your daughter did not have a means of support or place to live and had stolen money etc.Why didn't Cindy just ask Casey for Zanny's number so she could call and talk to Caylee herself. What would it matter if they were at the beach,hotel etc...Just say "Casey...give me Zanny's phone # or text it to my phone", so I can say hello to Caylee. If it was me (and I did not get that # within 24 hours), I would have hunted Casey down and found out where my grandbaby was!mo

[margaritaville]

[QUOTE=Carol25;12590176]

Actually any member of the family should have and could have called the police and reported this. All they had to do was say that a 2 year was involved and you were concerned with safety of the child as you knew your daughter did not have a means of support or place to live and had stolen money etc.


So true...

I really wish instead of Cindy fighting with casey on Fathers day over the stolen money she had called the police and had her arrested for it. Cindy claimed she wanted to take custody of Caylee, there was her perfect time to do so. Casey in jail on theft charges from stealing from her Grandparents and Cindy would have Caylee.
Done deal........If only!!

[Dunlurken]

Name some what?
Don't waste your time. Let's move on.

[5boxersmom]

I would not put anything past this babykiller, but I rather doubt the child porn angle because that disgusting sideline is very lucrative. Where's the money? Why was casey anthony stealing from everyone if she had this source of income?

That's what I think too. Why steal?

[Katprint]

All in good time Gert. :) NO worries because this case is far from over, and watching it all unfold will be pretty interesting and sad to boot.

Even after her trial if there is one, they could be charged then if they are not given immunity. The show I listened to that I am discussing here this morning really said that they will most likely use cindy and George against Casey, and then pit them all against each other to get at the real truth. I am with them, on this issue. It needs to be done.
I think that Cindy and George will be used against Casey unless some seriously surprising new evidence is discovered, for example, if someone else's fingerprints are found on the plastic bags or duct tape.

In the recent Scott Dyleski murder trial out here, his mother Esther Fielding was charged as an accomplice after-the-fact for hiding/destroying evidence and lying to police investigators. Those charges were dropped in exchange for her testimony against her son. I think a similar situation exists in the Anthony family. Cindy and George - and Lee - tend to hire much better attorneys than Casey so it is not impossible that the prosecution will simply negotiate with their attorneys that they will not be prosecuted in exchange for testifying truthfully rather than actually file formal criminal charges against them.

I think that the recent discovery of Caylee's remains have broken through at least some of Cindy's extreme "denial" coping mechanism, and if evidence from the plastic bags/duct tape further incriminates Casey then that may wipe out the rest of Cindy's extreme "denial" defense. At this point, I suspect Cindy has rationalized to herself that maybe Casey fell asleep after one of her all-night parties and Caylee wandered off while Casey was supposed to be watching her then was kidnapped by a stranger, murdered and dumped nearby, or some similar scenario that where Casey did not actively murder Caylee. Cindy seems able to compartmentalize contrary facts (the smelly car, the computer searches, Casey's extensive lying) that tend to disprove her preferred reality, which of course is the definition of "being in denial." I think Cindy will hold tight to any remote possibility on Casey's non-involvement until further evidence conclusively establishes that Casey personally murdered Caylee.

George on the other hand seems to go with the flow. If the easier path is to publicly support his wife's position while privately avoiding the crime of false information to law enforcement or perjury before the Grand Jury or perjury at the criminal trial, then that is the path he will take. I don't think he is willing to go to prison for Casey because he suspects Casey is guilty.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Amy]

The title of this thread is deceiving. It says Caylee Anthony, but I have yet to find a post about Caylee, and very few about the person charged with her murder. This thread should be called George Anthony, since the majority of posts are about him. Does anyone know if there is another thread to discuss the actual case?

Read on, or more carefully. I have read dozens of posts to this point that contain Caylee's name. And that are specifically about Caylee.

[KatieKates]

"there are a lot of other little Caylee's that would have deserved your attention a bit more"


Do you seriously need me to name all the missing children in this country that DO NOT get this amount of attention. Do your own homework. Start with any missing child website and work your way up.

[norwood]

[QUOTE=norwood;12590285]

The posts were screwed up. I never said that. Hopefully, people will learn how to post. LOL.


Sorry! I did not mean to offend

[KatieKates]

Don't waste your time. Let's move on.

I know, I always fall for it. :tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

That's what I think too. Why steal?

Interesting point here I'm about to make. Casey didn't actually steal from Amy until after Caylee was dead. No more cash flow coming in. JMO.

[Amy]

tert

I've been a little out of the loop lately. Has the defense done a 2nd autopsy? I was wondering if that was holding up the funeral or are they waiting until after the holidays?

oops...not sure what I just did! I have a new little laptop with no mouse and I'm having trouble!

In Mr Conway's statement made after the id of the body, he said the funeral would be after the holidays. I don't know if that meant after Christmas, or if after the holidays means after NewYear's.

[Hey Paula]

ITA with you Paula.

Hi Star!

This case is truly a heartbreaker. I can't imagine losing such a beautiful, beloved child in this manner.

[Regina.Lampert]

Hey Reggie! :seeya: ITA.

Hey frisky one, good to see you! :seeya:

I am certain that LE has the answer to where she went and hung out when she was supposed to be working. That, imo is going to be a key element of this case.

[Lavenia]

If you take a look at them, you can see what is messing them up.

Look at the block where the quoted post is - then look just above it - where you will see a partial quote from another person. Make sure your post does not include stuff like that & it won't be a problem.


ETA - look at posts 444, 469, 477, 490 & 491 for examples of what I am referring to.

Mimi, bumping this because it's really easy to fix the quote malfunction as you state, but to also let you know I'm glad your husband's okay!

[Dunlurken]

[QUOTE=Dunlurken;12590293]


Sorry! I did not mean to offend

Learn how to post. It's not that hard. When the trial starts, if ever, and you want to participate, please, please, learn how to quote and respond.

:biggrin:

No, I didn't quote myself. LOL.

[CNTM]

Interesting point here I'm about to make. Casey didn't actually steal from Amy until after Caylee was dead. No more cash flow coming in. JMO.

Oh yikes, I never considered that. I was doubting that theory, but it certainly does make sense now.

[5boxersmom]

Interesting point here I'm about to make. Casey didn't actually steal from Amy until after Caylee was dead. No more cash flow coming in. JMO.

True, but she stole from her parents, grandparents, Lee and his roommate. I think she stole from Amy because she was on the outs with her family.

imo

[MichelleP]

Do you seriously need me to name all the missing children in this country that DO NOT get this amount of attention. Do your own homework. Start with any missing child website and work your way up.

But it would have to be in his/her jurisdiction. And Caylee wasn't only a Missing child. Caylee was a child that was found dead who may have never been really missing. Her body may have been just dumped somewhere.

[happygert]

And you'd be fired from your prosecution job faster than it took to file those charges because you need hard proof. Things aren't always the way the appear, and then you'd be shamed for wasting the tax payers money when there are a lot of other little Caylee's that would have deserved your attention a bit more than getting even with a grieving mother/grandmother who handed in the wrong hairbrush. I'd ask for your job in a New York minute for wasting the courts time with this drivel. JMO, of course.

Hard proof:
Giving FBI wrong hairbrush. Hard proof. Obstruction of JUSTICE
Lying to FBI : LYING TO LE. Hard proof wrong hairbrush. Tampering with evidence: washing pants. Destroying evidence washing pants. cleaning car. Wire fraud asking for donations to help search for a missing child. THEY DIDNT SEARCH ONCE. No MISSING CHILD. A DEAD CHILD. LYING TO LE about a NANNY. Making false police report. No I didn't say there was smell of death in car.. Oh yeah I just said that because i wanted LE out here.. I could go on and on.etc.Ok I think theres more then enough HARD PROOF!!

IF not why are they so worried and wanting IMMUNITY!?

[Loves2Read]

Exactly!! It was not protecting caysee per se but protecting her belief that caylee was alive. And really, I do not blame her for that. Think of the hundreds of parents of missing children who refuse to believe they are dead, the hornbecks are a good example. Until their body is found they keep believing. How much more would someone need to believe this when the perpetrator was your daughter if she was dead? LE keeps looking for a dead body and arrests your daughter, to me it makes sense she then looked at them almost as the enemy. They were...to her belief that caylee was alive.

Cindy handled this unbelievably badly imo and i don't like her but i do not think she deliberately covered up for casey knowing caylee was dead. I dont think she allowed that thought to cross her mind after the first terror induced call and smell of the car. That was pushed away and undone in her mind replaced by a frantic belief caylee was still alive and therefore caysee was wrongly accused. I don't care how much a kid lies, or young adult. The leap to being a murderer of your grandchild is HUGE.

i also think she was psychologically fragile before caylee went missing, and therefore just ripe to be in such denial that she behaved/said things that seem irrational. The majority of her attacks on people (tim, LE etc) were ALL based on the fact they believed caylee was dead and or searching for a body. Add medication/tranquilizers and im convinced that until the body was found she fully felt caylee was alive. I doubt she even believed it was caylee until the dna came back.

imo

I respectfully disagree. She did let the thought of Caylee being dead enter her mind. It entered her mind so much that after smelling the car she told her husband that they had lost her... they had lost their Caylee. Then they both searched the back yard UNDER THE PAVERS!!! Even before Cindy called the police. She knew IMO.

[Lavenia]

Hey frisky one, good to see you! :seeya:

I am certain that LE has the answer to where she went and hung out when she was supposed to be working. That, imo is going to be a key element of this case.

Yes, as complicated as Casey's LIES are, I think the crime will be simple. She killed her daughter and dumped her. :mad:

[norwood]

[QUOTE=norwood;12590335]

Learn how to post. It's not that hard. When the trial starts, if ever, and you want to participate, please, please, learn how to quote and respond.

:biggrin:

This is why I lurk most of the time. I have seen you on several other cases on this message board site. I will go back to reading and if I post I will make sure it is after you are gone for the day. Goodbye

[Regina.Lampert]

Why didn't Cindy just ask Casey for Zanny's number so she could call and talk to Caylee herself. What would it matter if they were at the beach,hotel etc...Just say "Casey...give me Zanny's phone # or text it to my phone", so I can say hello to Caylee. If it was me (and I did not get that # within 24 hours), I would have hunted Casey down and found out where my grandbaby was!mo

Hi Pro!! This is an excellent question and one that I hope the prosecutor gets an answer to from cynthia.

[MrsHudson]

The title of this thread is deceiving. It says Caylee Anthony, but I have yet to find a post about Caylee, and very few about the person charged with her murder. This thread should be called George Anthony, since the majority of posts are about him. Does anyone know if there is another thread to discuss the actual case?

I am all for calling it the George Anthony Thread.

[steffaroob4]

That's what I think too. Why steal?

I think all the theories on that empty apartment being used are crazy, that was a gated community. No neighbor would stand for people using an empty apartment for weird goings on when they are paying top dollar for rent, I believe there was a LE office that lived in that complex, too.

I also think casey wouldn't have been envolved with that type of thing, it would be too much like work. Plus it would be hard to hide the signs of that from CA, I think she did most of that bathing and caring for Caylee, there could have been a history of bruises, UTIs and more.

[happygert]

But it would have to be in his/her jurisdiction. And Caylee wasn't only a Missing child. Caylee was a child that was found dead who may have never been really missing. Her body may have been just dumped somewhere.

ITA Caylee was never a missing child she was a MURDERED CHILD. The murdering mom KNEW exactly where she threw her away like TRASH! TO rot in a garbage bag in the hot Florida sun.

[Amy]

I have not heard that they have scheduled a funeral as of yet which tells me that the 2nd autopsy has been completed

I'm wondering if, when all is said and done, they will refuse to do a second autopsy, just like they refused to go to the crime scene when it was available to them, just because they didn't it when THEY wanted it?

Also, there is the issue of the autopsy pictures and reports they wanted. Seems like, after Baez took a motion to court, the prosecution now has however many WORKING days to provide that information to them, and if he had just sat tight, he probably would have already had them. That is just what I got from the way the TH was talking. Henry Lee says, they can't so the autopsy without those.

[Dunlurken]

Oh yikes, I never considered that. I was doubting that theory, but it certainly does make sense now.
Yes, very sad isn't it. I do think Caylee was used in a child porn ring. JMO. (I could change my mind tomorrow though.) I just throw out my opinions and see who can change my mind. JMO.


Above all else, I want justice for little Caylee. Where it will take us, I don't know.

[KatieKates]

Hard proof:
Giving FBI wrong hairbrush. Hard proof. Obstruction of JUSTICE
Lying to FBI : LYING TO LE. Hard proof wrong hairbrush. Tampering with evidence: washing pants. Destroying evidence washing pants. cleaning car. Wire fraud asking for donations to help search for a missing child. THEY DIDNT SEARCH ONCE. No MISSING CHILD. A DEAD CHILD. LYING TO LE about a NANNY. Making false police report. No I didn't say there was smell of death in car.. Oh yeah I just said that because i wanted LE out here.. I could go on and on.etc.Ok I think theres more then enough HARD PROOF!!

IF not why are they so worried and wanting IMMUNITY!?

Fact: No charges filed!!

[msgatorslayer]

I think Florida has been pretty liberal about having cameras in the courtroom.....

Seems I've watched a few.....

It's quite possible that even in Florida it is up to the judge, but not positive as it's probably a State by State thing......

I believe Scott Peterson and Susan Polk were both in California, if I'm not mistaken.

I wonder if anyone knows Florida's law as it applies to camera in the courtroom, and if it would be unusual for the judge in this case to have them banned, as being high profile.

TIA ;)

Every courthouse in Florida has cameras. It is extremely rare for a judge to say that the public doesn't have a right to court access and a camera be removed from a trial. IMO - Don't have a link. Read it during one of the Florida cases I followed.

In the last motion hearing in Orlando, the judge kinda joked that he had more motions to go through and invited the media to stay, if they liked.

'Cameras in Florida courtrooms started as an experiment, but ushered in a new age of open justice that has been mirrored nationwide, with South Florida courts taking center stage.'

http://www.miamiherald.com/news/southflorida/story/722728.html

[Mimi428]

I think that the recent discovery of Caylee's remains have broken through at least some of Cindy's extreme "denial" coping mechanism, and if evidence from the plastic bags/duct tape further incriminates Casey then that may wipe out the rest of Cindy's extreme "denial" defense.

At this point, I suspect Cindy has rationalized to herself that maybe Casey fell asleep after one of her all-night parties and Caylee wandered off while Casey was supposed to be watching her then was kidnapped by a stranger, murdered and dumped nearby, or some similar scenario that where Casey did not actively murder Caylee. Cindy seems able to compartmentalize contrary facts (the smelly car, Casey's extensive lying) that tend to disprove her preferred reality, which of course is the definition of "being in denial."

I think Cindy will hold tight to any remote possibility on Casey's non-involvement until further evidence conclusively establishes that Casey personally murdered Caylee.

George on the other hand seems to go with the flow. If the easier path is to publicly support his wife's position while privately avoiding the crime of false information to law enforcement or perjury before the Grand Jury or perjury at the criminal trial, then that is the path he will take. I don't think he is willing to go to prison for Casey because he suspects Casey is guilty.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

<snipped> I agree, agree, agree. I believe Cindy, if left to her own devices, would have eventually beaten the living h#ll out of Casey if she had not revealed to her where Caylee was.

But once the police were called & it turned into accusations that her daughter could have been involved in MURDER, I think Cindy's extreme defense mechanisms kicked in.

I think she might have been able to accept that Caylee was dead because Casey did some idiotic thing like left her in a hot car. Or let someone take care of her whom she did not know very well. Or left her car running & someone took off with Caylee in it.

I just don't think her mind would accept that Casey would DELIBERATELY murder her own child. And with every sentence that was spoken that was accusatory of her daughter committing murder, she worked overtime to eliminate things that would support a theory her mind could not accept - MURDER by Casey.

Death, I think she could eventually come to grips with. But not Casey committing cold blooded murder.


JMO

[happygert]

Cindy is just as much a victim as Caylee. She isn't the murderer, Casey is. She may not have handled the aftermath the way you think she should have but the fact is that she didn't create the situation.

Casey was an adult. She knew right from wrong. Whether she wanted Caylee or not SHE chose to kill her, not Cindy, not George, not Lee or anyone else. Whether Cindy wanted her to or not she didn't have to give birth to or keep Caylee. SHE could have chosen abortion or adoption. Cindy couldn't force her to have or keep an unwanted baby.

It's time to put the blame where it belongs......ON CASEY!!!

NO CINDY IS NOT THE VICTIM! THERES ONLY ONE VICTIM here THATS CAYLEE. PERIOD!

[Lavenia]

I think that Cindy and George will be used against Casey unless some seriously surprising new evidence is discovered, for example, if someone else's fingerprints are found on the plastic bags or duct tape.

In the recent Scott Dyleski murder trial out here, his mother Esther Fielding was charged as an accomplice after-the-fact for hiding/destroying evidence and lying to police investigators. Those charges were dropped in exchange for her testimony against her son. I think a similar situation exists in the Anthony family. Cindy and George - and Lee - tend to hire much better attorneys than Casey so it is not impossible that the prosecution will simply negotiate with their attorneys that they will not be prosecuted in exchange for testifying truthfully rather than actually file formal criminal charges against them.

I think that the recent discovery of Caylee's remains have broken through at least some of Cindy's extreme "denial" coping mechanism, and if evidence from the plastic bags/duct tape further incriminates Casey then that may wipe out the rest of Cindy's extreme "denial" defense. At this point, I suspect Cindy has rationalized to herself that maybe Casey fell asleep after one of her all-night parties and Caylee wandered off while Casey was supposed to be watching her then was kidnapped by a stranger, murdered and dumped nearby, or some similar scenario that where Casey did not actively murder Caylee. Cindy seems able to compartmentalize contrary facts (the smelly car, the computer searches, Casey's extensive lying) that tend to disprove her preferred reality, which of course is the definition of "being in denial." I think Cindy will hold tight to any remote possibility on Casey's non-involvement until further evidence conclusively establishes that Casey personally murdered Caylee.

George on the other hand seems to go with the flow. If the easier path is to publicly support his wife's position while privately avoiding the crime of false information to law enforcement or perjury before the Grand Jury or perjury at the criminal trial, then that is the path he will take. I don't think he is willing to go to prison for Casey because he suspects Casey is guilty.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

I really like this post! I also don't think George is going to kill the goose that laid the golden egg for him. He's going to go along to get along with whatever theory Cindy has. He has no choice unless he wants to start a new life and I don't think he has that in him.

[MichelleP]

Fact: No charges filed!!

Fact: They can charge them at any time.

[CNTM]

Yes, very sad isn't it. I do think Caylee was used in a child porn ring. JMO. (I could change my mind tomorrow though.) I just throw out my opinions and see who can change my mind. JMO.


Above all else, I want justice for little Caylee. Where it will take us, I don't know.

I considered that earlier, but dismissed it due to the fact that Cindy was the one who bathed and dressed her most of the time. But if it is strictly photos, there might be no marks to notice. Your theory does make sense. Oh man, so sick.

[happygert]

Fact: No charges filed!!

OHH not yet!

[KatieKates]

Fact: They can charge them at any time.


Fact: You be sure and let me know when that happens. Thanks a bunch.

[Loves2Read]

If that were true, Cindy would be dead & her remains would be found stuffed in a trash bag somewhere out in the woods.

ITA LandShark

Yes! That really would make Cindy as much a victim as Caylee is, but until that happens I will view Cindy as NOT a victim, but a player in this horrible drama.

[Lavenia]

I am all for calling it the George Anthony Thread.

:laugh::laugh:

[PROPROS]

Hi Pro!! This is an excellent question and one that I hope the prosecutor gets an answer to from cynthia.Hi Regina...Looks like Norwood got credited with my post (LOL)..There is something going on with our posting/quote function...No matter....:biggrin:

[breezie]

Fact: No charges filed!!

FACT: yet. But the lawyers are talking about it. When you're own attorney tells the public you've been less than truthful and need immunity...well....

[Amy]

Thats fine. I'll consider that. I just thought that I might find some sort of actual discussion related to Caylee, or the case related to her murder. Instead I found a thread dedicated to the gossip of the relatives. I'm just saying that the thread title should be something more relative to the actual discussion taking place. There is really no need for everyone to be so mean about it.

IMO, about 99.9% of the folks who read and post here know that the case in general, which includes all the A's, the previous and "current" friends and boyfriends, the lawyers and the defense team, the TH's, the talk show hosts---is what is being discussed on any Caylee Anthony thread. (And that would be, IMO, why 99.9% of the posters/readers come here for.)

[happygert]

If that were true, Cindy would be dead & her remains would be found stuffed in a trash bag somewhere out in the woods.

Exactly! Cindy threw little Caylee a helpless defenseless 2 year old under the bus for the murderer.

[MichelleP]

Fact: You be sure and let me know when that happens. Thanks a bunch.

I don't think I'll have to, you''ll probably find out before me when they file charges. If that happens and I think it will.

[Dunlurken]

Yet.

Hence the asking for 'full immunity.'

Give them immunity and let's see what they have to say. JMO.

[ishkabibble]

Interesting point here I'm about to make. Casey didn't actually steal from Amy until after Caylee was dead. No more cash flow coming in. JMO.

True, but prior to that she was stealing from Cindy and George, I think in the 30 days she was gone from their house the cash flow dried up considerably. Cindy may have canceled her credit/Atm cards. Didn't someone call JC Pennys? Perhaps to reactivate a card that had been canceled or request a new card. We know Casey was stopping at the house during that month, checking the mail, maybe looking for cash?

[KatieKates]

FACT: yet. But the lawyers are talking about it. When you're own attorney tells the public you've been less than truthful and need immunity...well....

Those aren't charges, that's just more drama. When actual charges come down, then I'll stand corrected.

[eastside joe]

Hey frisky one, good to see you! :seeya:

I am certain that LE has the answer to where she went and hung out when she was supposed to be working. That, imo is going to be a key element of this case.

They may have, although I would be interested to hear why you feel that is going to be a key element of this case. I believe that she was spending a lot of time at Lee's house when she said she was working. IMO

[Amy]

I didn't slam anyone. I simply asked if there was a thread to discuss the actual case.

Yep, and that would be right here.

[MalloryCat]

If that were true, Cindy would be dead & her remains would be found stuffed in a trash bag somewhere out in the woods.

Do you really think the only victim is the person who dies? Thats it? Jeez, you better talk to all those support groups based around crime victims, and families of murdered love ones and let them know they aren't victims!

[Lavenia]

<snipped> I agree, agree, agree. I believe Cindy, if left to her own devices, would have eventually beaten the living h#ll out of Casey if she had not revealed to her where Caylee was.

But once the police were called & it turned into accusations that her daughter could have been involved in MURDER, I think Cindy's extreme defense mechanisms kicked in.

I think she might have been able to accept that Caylee was dead because Casey did some idiotic thing like left her in a hot car. Or let someone take care of her whom she did not know very well. Or left her car running & someone took off with Caylee in it.

I just don't think her mind would accept that Casey would DELIBERATELY murder her own child. And with every sentence that was spoken that was accusatory of her daughter committing murder, she worked overtime to eliminate things that would support a theory her mind could not accept - MURDER by Casey.

Death, I think she could eventually come to grips with. But not Casey committing cold blooded murder.


JMO

I agree, agree, agree. (echo, echo, echo) :wink:

[MrsHudson]

The whole a;s family or beond my understanding I have never seen people like them. when your gc lived with you 2 1/2 years you would not go 31 days with out seeing her. I am sure caylee cryed to go home to where all her stuff was. that was her home. that was all she had known all her life.

Everything you said makes sense . I will never understand why if G and C thought Caylee was kidnapped they did not seem more worried about her day to day well-being. It was all about how she was alive but nothing showing worry about how she was being treated. That's another reason why most people think the whole thing was to cover up for Casey.

[Dunlurken]

ITA LandShark

Yes! That really would make Cindy as much a victim as Caylee is, but until that happens I will view Cindy as NOT a victim, but a player in this horrible drama.

You know the old saying..... the apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Cindy, George and Lee are implicated in this. Don't know how yet, waiting for the trial.

At this point, reasonable doubt as to who dumped the body. JMO.

[Ellie]

NO it wasn't my daughter that killed my granddaughter! It was Cindys daughter that killed her granddaughter


My apologies... your post was this:
Originally Posted by happygert
No Cindy should take her AZZ back to work like the rest of us did.

Guess I was confused when you said "like the rest of us did".

[Mimi428]

Mimi, bumping this because it's really easy to fix the quote malfunction as you state, but to also let you know I'm glad your husband's okay!

ME TOO! Thanks! And I'm REAL glad I was able to stay in the cubicle & didn't have to spend all those hours sitting in the waiting room with the big crowd of contagiously sick, sick, sick people. Ooooh, there were a lot of them, poor things.

And now to get back on the real subject - I read a bit more on the website I posted about the other day - the one with all the articles on psychopaths - I am going to go back to it & see if I can find an article to link to today. I see a lot of them were worded very clinically, so I will skip those, too hard to slog through to get to the nuts & bolts of what we want to ponder.

(sorry for the O/T, folks)

[happygert]

If any of Caylee's hair is in the hairbrush then you'd have a hard time proving obstruction. Same with washing pants taken out of a car after the police were notified about a missing person. Do you have proof there wasn't any hair in the brush or that the pants were washed before the police were called?

There are many ways of searching for a missing person. If they paid for fliers and water then there goes that wire fraud charge out the window. Do you have proof they didn't pay for fliers? Oh wait.....there are receipts in george's name for missing Caylee t-shirts. There went that charge.

Cindy very clearly said in the 911 call where she was reporting Caylee missing that the car smelled like a dead body had been in it. How you figure that is making a false police report is beyond me.

None of your "proof" proves a crime was committed.


Really? reread transcripts.......listen again to FBI tapes..Listen to Jail interviews about tee-shirts. Umm what happend to the $1,500 dollars worth of supplies that were donated to Tim Miller .That were donated by kinkos that George went to pick up and Tim never got them and had to go pay for some more.Umm I'd thnk that alone would be considered theft. wouldn't you? You dont want to see proof but its there!. NO IMMUNITY!!!!!!!

[Lavenia]

ME TOO! Thanks! And I'm REAL glad I was able to stay in the cubicle & didn't have to spend all those hours sitting in the waiting room with the big crowd of contagiously sick, sick, sick people. Ooooh, there were a lot of them, poor things.

And now to get back on the real subject - I read a bit more on the website I posted about the other day - the one with all the articles on psychopaths - I am going to go back to it & see if I can find an article to link to today. I see a lot of them were worded very clinically, so I will skip those, too hard to slog through to get to the nuts & bolts of what we want to ponder.

(sorry for the O/T, folks)


Was that the website that was white lettering on black background or the smartypants site? (I never got back to the SP site, lol, but the B/W site was really good!)

[Cury-us Coyote]

You are so right Cury.....everytime the sympathy excuses start, all we really have to do is go all the way back to the beginning and remember EVERYTHING that was done for Casey....not Caylee. Too often no one recalls all that the A's have done that has not been on the up-and-up.

I wonder if Casey's home confinement representative had advance notice of the car swap plans or if broken rules could be part of the alleged/potential charges?

[Loves2Read]

Do you really think the only victim is the person who dies? Thats it? Jeez, you better talk to all those support groups based around crime victims, and families of murdered love ones and let them know they aren't victims!

You need to read the post Landshark was responding to. Landshark's response was right. Your response is uncalled for.

[Dunlurken]

If the deceased is the only victim you have to wonder why there are victim impact statements in murder trials.

Exactly. Lots of "victims" here. But Caylee is the ultimate "victim". Lots of people are responsible for this horrible mess. I guess we know who will go to trial for murder 1. Ms. Casey.

[MrsHudson]

I didn't slam anyone. I simply asked if there was a thread to discuss the actual case.

Oh I am sorry. I thought you were upset because George or Cindy (either one) was being criticized. My bad. :huh:

[MichelleP]

If the deceased is the only victim you have to wonder why there are victim impact statements in murder trials.

If I had a choice I would rather be a live victim than a dead one.

My opinion only

[happygert]

My apologies... your post was this:
Originally Posted by happygert
No Cindy should take her AZZ back to work like the rest of us did.

Guess I was confused when you said "like the rest of us did".

Not a problem Ellie.

[Amy]

It is possible that Cindy, George and Lee have all finally been convinced to make no further public statements other than through their attorney, but I am so curious I can barely stand it to know what their stance regarding Casey's innocence or guilt is now. I just can't imagine how they can still defend her and insist she had nothing to do with Caylee's death, but is that what we're going to hear?

Their attorney, when asked, said they still believe the Nanny is responsible, BUT NOT THE NANNY MR MORGAN IS REPRESENTING. No one who has read up on the case believes it was the Zenaida that is suing Casey, for Pete's sake!!!! Of course, there are very, very few people who think ANY nanny did it, or that there is a nanny @ all.

[MalloryCat]

If the deceased is the only victim you have to wonder why there are victim impact statements in murder trials.

Exactly, exactly.

jmo

[Elfinrow]

[QUOTE=Carol25;12590238]

I know. Let's hope it gets better. When things you supposedly said aren't what you said, it gets really scarey around here. LOL.

I will not click on the scared monkey link. JMO.
Dunnie you haven't listened to the radio broadcast?? I thought you were on several boards. They've been around for a long time, nothing to fear from the "monkeys" they are really good people.

Take Care Dunnie.

[CANDYKISSES]

SNIPPED

The video of Caylee on her Great Grand Father's knee scares the carp out of me. She was afraid to move......you guys take it from there. JMO.

Nap time for Dunnie IMO. :rolleyes:

[AJandTam]

Hey all, Real life got in the middle of my posting business. Did I miss anything here? Need a break, catch me up? :wub: ya Thank you!

[Dunlurken]

Their attorney, when asked, said they still believe the Nanny is responsible, BUT NOT THE NANNY MR MORGAN IS REPRESENTING. No one who has read up on the case believes it was the Zenaida that is suing Casey, for Pete's sake!!!! Of course, there are very, very few people who think ANY nanny did it, or that there is a nanny @ all.

huh? LOL. No, there was no nanny. In Casey and Cindy's dreams maybe.

[breezie]

Do you really think the only victim is the person who dies? Thats it? Jeez, you better talk to all those support groups based around crime victims, and families of murdered love ones and let them know they aren't victims!

that's it. George and Cindy are a crime victim's family. And the perpetrator's family, too.

[happygert]

In other words.....you have no proof to back up your claims so you toss more out. Got it!!

ROFLMAO!!!!!! You've been drinking the casey koolaide.....Where did you get those oh Annie brought these over.LOL...

[st777jo]

They could have taken the car too, it was in their name. What would Casey have done without the car?

Eggactly what I have said months ago. C could have stopped casey from taking Caylee on a few things. If you take my car, I'll call the cops. If you take Caylee, I will have you arrested for stealing money. Any threat to casey to not take Caylee out of that house.
jmo, jo

[Dunlurken]

Nap time for Dunnie IMO. :rolleyes:

Nope, I have to disagree with you on this one. She looked "coached" to me. Wouldn't move, but her eyes went every where. Looking up and down afraid to move. I've thought that since day one. JMO.

[Amy]

G'morning, ITA. And would add that this case may not be as high profile as it is right now if it hadn't been for the Anthony's. Their bizarre comments and stance pertaining to their Daughter is what helped fuel the media circus.

And, WHO took it to the media in the first place? The A's? I don't think LE would have, cuz they figured out there was no missing child pretty much from the get-go, they found out Casey was lying big time that first night. I know there are people who have scanners, including reporters, photographers, etc--would one of them heard something on the scanner directing officers to go to the house, and s/he started the media coverage? I don't even remember WHEN the media coverage started. July 15? 16?

[happygert]

Sorry but you are wrong. Caylee is a murder victim and her grandparents are victims of the crime that took her life.


Caylee's grandparents created the person who murdered CAYLEE.

[Lavenia]

Hey all, Real life got in the middle of my posting business. Did I miss anything here? Need a break, catch me up? :wub: ya Thank you!

Same ol', same ol'. :mellow:

[Elle]

[QUOTE=norwood;12590285]Why didn't Cindy just ask Casey for Zanny's number so she could call and talk to Caylee herself. What would it matter if they were at the beach,hotel etc...Just say "Casey...give me Zanny's phone # or text it to my phone", so I can say hello to Caylee. If it was me (and I did not get that # within 24 hours), I would have hunted Casey down and found out where my grandbaby was!mo


Hello,
I agree, and IIRC Cindy stated she gave an address she had for Zanny (written on one of those sticky post its I believe she said) to one of the detectives, if that is true and she had what she believed was Zanny's address, then she could have gone to Zanny's to get Caylee herself, of course in reality she would have ended up at some apartment with no Zanny and no Caylee. I do not believe she had it all along or she would have been over there in no time flat.

imo

[Elfinrow]

Good post Bookie, there goes all the hard proof out the window

JMO

Mr Lucky, we have to remember that it IS very possible that the 911 calls were voice annalysed by the FBI and possibly show deception by Cindy A. I will not be surprised if this is the case. There is so much proof of deception and hindering an investigation as well as aiding and abettting that it will be amazing if the Anthonys come out completely unscathed in this case.
We will see. Whatever happens, will be terrible and sad at the same time to watch it all unfold. As it has been since June 9. This case, my friends and family all discuss it, even my mother and daughter have posted here and followed to some extent. We so wanted to believe she was still alive. But from the minute George and Cindy searched their own backyard before LE ever did? That went right out the window for me and I knew she was most likely dead. Xmas will never be the same and caylee will be remembered at xmastime always. For a lot of people. those who knew her and those who did not.
I think that the 911 calls were fabricated, as was dumping the car at Amscot with her purse in it. This family had to account eventually for Caylee's whereabouts, or lackthereof. And they did, on July 15th.
Lee was looking for Casey on July 3. Cindy wrote she knew Caylee was gone on July 3. It took them awhile to get their story straight. I think that's pretty clear to me, from what evidence the public does know.

[Dunlurken]

Caylee's grandparents created the person who murdered CAYLEE.

Not true. You don't "create" a sociopath. It just happens. Brain wired differently through no fault of George and Cindy. Hey, Lee is normal. LMAO. :tonguewag:

[AJandTam]

Hey you! Merry Christmas. I was just on my way out when I saw your post.

Dontcha just hate it when real life steps in? :lol:

Regards.

Merry Christmas Forensic, and an even better NEW YEAR!

Darn real life... Grrrrrr

[AJandTam]

Same ol', same ol'. :mellow:

Hi Lavenia.. Thanks for answering.

[catdoc]

[QUOTE=Dunlurken;12590347]

This is why I lurk most of the time. I have seen you on several other cases on this message board site. I will go back to reading and if I post I will make sure it is after you are gone for the day. Goodbye

Please continue to contribute. Don't let anyone intimidate you. I am very new to this and probably make mistakes and people on this site are for the most part VERY friendly and helpful. I can't apoligize for someone snapping at you but ask you to ignore it and know others understand and love everyone's input, even newbies (like me) making mistakes. This is a great site but of course not always perfect.

[Ellie]

I have to say upfront I am no fan of the Ants. I don't like what they've done one little bit and I think they could have really done better for Casey and themselves if they would have done things the right way. That being said, I have to temper my opinion of them for the time being until I have more info, only because I don't have any idea what it's REALLY like to be in their shoes. I would certainly think I would do the right thing but then I wonder why so many parents of murderers do the same as the Ants and deny and make excuses. Is that what makes the murderer who they are or does that come after the crime as a defense mechanism to the family?

Also, I can't come down on the parenting of Casey so much. So far, my kids' problems have been run of the mill but I have to say, I have been confused sometimes over when some of their problems were a real problem that might need intervention or whether they were normal "growing pains" or such. I look back at my own adolescence and :scared:! I didn't do any crimes against people or anything violent, but I was quite the wild child. I feel like I have been a well-grounded adult with no major problems. I've see in many families though, that can be a fine line to determine. Even if Cindy/George DID see a "real" problem, we seem to be divided on how they should have handled it. I see some saying they spoiled Casey and some saying they didn't do enough. I hate to see the parents catching the blame when it belongs to Casey.

I'm a little uncomfortable blaming the Ants for anything other than screwing the aftermath of this up so far.

Well said, Lavenia.

[darcie]

Yeah, looks like LE wouldn't do that 1/4 mile -1200 ft jaunt to search those bags either , they were tooo busy following up on the other 4999 psychic tips.


But that is the same as saying....Cindy should have been able to find her---1200 ft jaunt from the Anthony house to Caylee's resting place. What, was Cindy and George was to busy hollering, finger pointing, accusing, covering up, to look for her?

Come on! LE isn't the bad guy here. Missed tip? Maybe. Shoddy police work? Maybe. Human error? Maybe. The end result is the same though. LE did NOT put Caylee where she was found.

MOO

[Dunlurken]

So what. A lot of people were raised by abusive parents far worse than Cindy and George and they didn't murder their children. Blaming parents is a cop out.

However, we can blame Casey's parents for the "cold case". And Obstruction of Justice. You can take that to the bank. JMO.

[Lavenia]

After quoting another poster, please check the top of the post. If there are TWO people listed as quoted, manually remove the second person so you do not attribute the quote to the wrong person! Coldwater has banned people for misquoting in the past.

Someone please bump this as I must be on a lot of iggy lists.

[Elfinrow]

Caylee's grandparents created the person who murdered CAYLEE.

I agree, and the pathology in that family is why we are here. It is the very reason we are all here and Casey is where she is right now. In a cell, for murdering her own 2 yr old child.

Oh you know what else Dana and Wendy discussed in that show was the onetreehill episode and the crazy nanny episode that kidnaps a child. Did you all see the report a few days ago that LE is actually seriously looking at this episode as the basis for her alibi/MO for the murder?

As soon as I read the episode I knew she took from it. It's quite obvious she did exactly that. I truly do not beleive that as grandparents they were that plugged into Caylee's life. If they had been, they would have seen that something was very wrong with her. Some of us could tell this just by her photos alone. That something was very wrong in this childs life. No grandparent plugged in could have missed it. That's what I think.

[Amy]

hi,
She is not able to hold down a job so she is on disability. did that answer yor question? she is no longer employed at....darn cant remember the name of the place she worked.

Someone not being able to hold down a job does not make one eligible for disability, there has to be a particular disability involved--I guess that is what folks are curious about?

Not being able to hold down a job because something occured in one's life (family emergency, etc) does not make one eligible for disability. That would come under the Family Emergency Leave, and is not a paid leave @ all.

One who is not able to hold down a job (not related to physical or mental issues) would be on unemployment, but only for a time. One cannot milk that cow after a certain amount of time has elapsed.

[Regina.Lampert]

They may have, although I would be interested to hear why you feel that is going to be a key element of this case. I believe that she was spending a lot of time at Lee's house when she said she was working. IMO

It will be key because it proves beyond all doubt that there is no nanny, imo.

[MrsHudson]

It is possible that Cindy, George and Lee have all finally been convinced to make no further public statements other than through their attorney, but I am so curious I can barely stand it to know what their stance regarding Casey's innocence or guilt is now. I just can't imagine how they can still defend her and insist she had nothing to do with Caylee's death, but is that what we're going to hear?

They should just clam up and not talk about the case anymore. Every time they open their mouths they are apologists for a child murderer. It's just not winning anyone over.

If they are trying to say, "We love and support Casey unconditionally no matter what and no one can change that," my reaction is, "Awe, isn't that special? I don't have to love her or you. NOW GO AWAY."

[Lavenia]

Hi Lavenia.. Thanks for answering.

Hey sweetheart! :seeya: Well I say same ol' same ol' but how long have you been gone? I thought it was just this morning, right?

[Elfinrow]

How can you accept something not offered? Don't put words in my post. :angry:

Cindy is as much a victim of Casey's as Caylee was but obviously in a different way. Caylee won't have anymore pain or fear. She's in a better place but Cindy and George will have pain every day of the rest of their lives because of what their daughter did to their granddaughter.

Believe me bookie, even Casey stated in her taped interview that Caylee is NOT in a "better place" right now......

That's absurd. To me, bookie. Caylee surely isnt in a "better place"
She is DEAD.

[catdoc]

All I did was hit quote and it misplaced the names on the quote, don't know how that happened but I quess that is what some are talking about.