Caylee Anthony - Dec 28/08

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee :rose:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/candles.gif

[Tiggy]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.

[GardenGirl]

God post, Tiggy.
I didn't see the interview but you gave a great recap.
It takes a long time to come around to believing something as horrid as this I would imagine.
Give them time.
They'll all get there.

[ellegna]

Found an interesting collage breaking down the time line of events

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage

[ellegna]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.

Jesse appeared on the Today Show that same day. I cried along with him. :crying:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28347850/

[AMS]

Jesse appeared on the Today Show that same day. I cried along with him. :crying:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/28347850/


Good morning and thanks for the link. It was heartbreaking to watch him.

Jesse made a comment that I thought was telling. He said that after Caylee was born, it was all about Caylee for Casey. Casey was focused on "how she was going to frame her career" after having a child. She was piling it on back then too.

IMO.

[AMS]

I saw that interview too, he really seemed to love both Casey and Caylee. But I agree with you, he needs to realize what she REALLY is...a self-centered murderer!


We drove back to the east coast for the holidays. We stopped overight on Monday night. I went to check into the place we were staying and there was about 15 people in the lobby watching the NG interview of Jesse. People from all over the country who stopped during their travels and came together over Caylee. Whoa baby...you should have heard some of their comments about Casey. They would have been banned from here for sure. :wink:

IMO

[MissouriGMom]

We drove back to the east coast for the holidays. We stopped overight on Monday night. I went to check into the place we were staying and there was about 15 people in the lobby watching the NG interview of Jesse. People from all over the country who stopped during their travels and came together over Caylee. Whoa baby...you should have heard some of their comments about Casey. They would have been banned from here for sure. :wink:

IMO

:rolleyes:

In most cases there are a handful of posters that cry "NOT GUILTY". In this case, not so much. Everyone that I've talked to about this case are truly appalled by the OC.

[trich]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.


I agree and to think that the Anthonys are accusiing or suggesting that he is the one that killed Caylee....well it is outrageous.
Casey had alot of people fooled...although I don't for a minute believe she had her family fooled.
They knew exactly what she was ....why else would they have covered for her all these years.

[desmom]

Found an interesting collage breaking down the time line of events

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage

Thanks for the link. I bookmarked it.

[Barbara fl.]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.


You discribed her perfectly.....

[desmom]

Good morning and thanks for the link. It was heartbreaking to watch him.

Jesse made a comment that I thought was telling. He said that after Caylee was born, it was all about Caylee for Casey. Casey was focused on "how she was going to frame her career" after having a child. She was piling it on back then too.

IMO.

Casey's stories were "I am a single mom, Caylee's daddy was killed in a car accident, my mom and dad are divorcing, dad had an almost stroke...."

IMO, Caylee was nothing more than an attention getter for Casey. Casey thrived on attention.

[Katt2]

I agree and to think that the Anthonys are accusiing or suggesting that he is the one that killed Caylee....well it is outrageous.
Casey had alot of people fooled...although I don't for a minute believe she had her family fooled.
They knew exactly what she was ....why else would they have covered for her all these years.

Yes it was a bad move to suggest Jesse was involved but...first of all they did not accuse him of killing Caylee, they suggested he may have taken her. Secondly the Anthony's mistrust of Jesse came straight from Casey's mouth and we all heard it on the jail house tape.

How ironic that Casey would say Jesse can't be trusted when she was so desperate to get his phone number after she was arrested. She turned on him quick when he wouldn't talk to her. Could it be that she wanted Jesse to wipe out her computer files?

So sorry I have confused Jesse and TonE. TonE was the one who would not talk to her. and where her computer was.

[Barbara fl.]

It appears that the HOA wanted to move the protesters to a vacant lot which sounds like to me is very near where the remains were found. (see Sept 12). It says one-tenth of a mile from the school. Too bad the injunction was denied, maybe protesters would have seen something if they were hanging around in that area.



YOU ARE SO RIGHT......I forgot about that...if the crowd had been moved to the end where there were no homes...that would have been the place.....

Casey must have been shakeing in her pants when she heard that were going to be moved to the very spot where Caylee's body was...

I wonder if the media ever thought about that?......

[Barbara fl.]

:rolleyes:

In most cases there are a handful of posters that cry "NOT GUILTY". In this case, not so much. Everyone that I've talked to about this case are truly appalled by the OC.


Thats why this "so called" dream team can forget about it....this case is going to bring them down....for sure....

[islandgirl36542]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee :rose:

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/candles.gif


Beautiful Pic ellegna~hope you dont mind~I saved it on my favorites.

Justice For Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[breezie]

Yes it was a bad move to suggest Jesse was involved but...first of all they did not accuse him of killing Caylee, they suggested he may have taken her. Secondly the Anthony's mistrust of Jesse came straight from Casey's mouth and we all heard it on the jail house tape.

How ironic that Casey would say Jesse can't be trusted when she was so desperate to get his phone number after she was arrested. She turned on him quick when he wouldn't talk to her. Could it be that she wanted Jesse to wipe out her computer files?

She tried to get Jesse's number? I haven't heard that. She was all over her family trying to get latest victim...er love's number... TonE! It was...a HUGE waste!

[Barbara fl.]

Yes it was a bad move to suggest Jesse was involved but...first of all they did not accuse him of killing Caylee, they suggested he may have taken her. Secondly the Anthony's mistrust of Jesse came straight from Casey's mouth and we all heard it on the jail house tape.

How ironic that Casey would say Jesse can't be trusted when she was so desperate to get his phone number after she was arrested. She turned on him quick when he wouldn't talk to her. Could it be that she wanted Jesse to wipe out her computer files?


And for sure she didn't want him to mention that she broke off with him because he loved Caylee more than her.....She had to know that would be damaging.....and there has to be more to it....she really doesn't want him around her family...

[Barbara fl.]

She tried to get Jesse's number? I haven't heard that. She was all over her family trying to get latest victim...er love's number... TonE! It was...a HUGE waste!


Yah...she wanted Tone's number...I think she wanted to keep Jesse away and when Cindy mentioned him she got a little frizzled....

She probably didn't want them to start comparing notes....

[Katt2]

She tried to get Jesse's number? I haven't heard that. She was all over her family trying to get latest victim...er love's number... TonE! It was...a HUGE waste!

I edited my mistake. She wanted ToneE's number not Jesse"s.

[5boxersmom]

Good Morning everyone.

So I was looking at the pictures and I have to wonder how far in to this area would Casey and Kiomarie go? It looks so thick with roots and foliage. Is there a type of dirt road anywhere in it?

Are we sure the cadaver dogs cleared this whole area? The psychics cadaver dog didn't seem to get a hit at all and they were pretty close. If the bag was sprayed with pesticide would that have threw the dogs off?

[breezie]

I edited my mistake. She wanted ToneE's number not Jesse"s.

bummer. I would have loved to hear what she would say to Jesse. There are so many men of Casey's to try and keep straight. Sheesh that girl got around.

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning everyone.

So I was looking at the pictures and I have to wonder how far in to this area would Casey and Kiomarie go? It looks so thick with roots and foliage. Is there a type of dirt road anywhere in it?

Are we sure the cadaver dogs cleared this whole area? The psychics cadaver dog didn't seem to get a hit at all and they were pretty close. If the bag was sprayed with pesticide would that have threw the dogs off?

Yes, the spot was heaverly wooded...the palm plant that she was behind would have covered it completely from view of the public...What I do not understand is why she didn't bury the body...That's why I believe she was in a hurry when she dropped it there.....

The psychic people that brought the dogs were not exactly around there...they mainly took them to the area around the airport...which is not that close...And I did hear from someone on one of the shows that the pesticide would have thrown the dogs off.....

Seeing as the media never mentioned on what trip the meter reader was releaving himself leads me to believe that it was the first time that he noticed the bag which was Aug 11th, and he was probably affraid to go near it at the time....thank goodness he continued to follow up on it...

Casey was probably hoping that when she got out she would move it...could also be why she wanted so badly to have that anklet bracelet removed just prior to being formerly charged with murder......JMO

[Barbara fl.]

bummer. I would have loved to hear what she would say to Jesse. There are so many men of Casey's to try and keep straight. Sheesh that girl got around.


That's because she had so much time on her hands...not working for 2 years could get one in alot of trouble....It must have taken her more energy to pretend to be working then would have been to be working...

[starling]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.

I watched it....and forgive if this has already been discussed....
But if Cindy & George acted like Jesse was the father and went along with THAT until the paternity test proved otherwise & that relationship went south ...Then HOW can the old interview with Greta back when Cindy was standing in Caylee's room make sense? The one where Cindy says that Caylee's father knew & did not want to be involved from the beginning & is deceased thus his family does not know.
You can't have it both ways. One could conclude the deceased father is made up or maybe there were others onboard trying to trick Jesse.
Something tells me the lies are so layered you'd need a spread sheet,a story board & a tireless CSI team & still never get to the real truth! JMO!

[5boxersmom]

Yes, the spot was heaverly wooded...the palm plant that she was behind would have covered it completely from view of the public...What I do not understand is why she didn't bury the body...That's why I believe she was in a hurry when she dropped it there.....

The psychic people that brought the dogs were not exactly around there...they mainly took them to the area around the airport...which is not that close...And I did hear from someone on one of the shows that the pesticide would have thrown the dogs off.....

Seeing as the media never mentioned on what trip the meter reader was releaving himself leads me to believe that it was the first time that he noticed the bag which was Aug 11th, and he was probably affraid to go near it at the time....thank goodness he continued to follow up on it...

Casey was probably hoping that when she got out she would move it...could also be why she wanted so badly to have that anklet bracelet removed just prior to being formerly charged with murder......JMO

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo

[desmom]

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q

[Barbara fl.]

I watched it....and forgive if this has already been discussed....
But if Cindy & George acted like Jesse was the father and went along with THAT until the paternity test proved otherwise & that relationship went south ...Then HOW can that old interview with Greta back when Cindy was standing in Caylee's room make sense? The one where Cindy says that Caylee's father knew & did not want to be involved from the beginning & is deceased thus his family does not know.
You can't have it both ways. One could conclude the deceased father is made up or maybe there were others onboard trying to trick Jesse.
Something tells me the lies are so layered you'd need a spread sheet,a story board & a tireless CSI team & still never get to the real truth! JMO!


You are right....seems like Cindy bought anything Casey was selling...but one would think that you would be in sympathy for the guy your daughter tried to blame for being Caylees father....They had to know that he loved Caylee and had bonded with her during the time that he thought he was her father...I believe he said that it was approximately a year before he found out....that's a long time to bond with a child....

In my opinion, Jesse probably would have taken Caylee off Casey's shoulders if he had the opportunity...he seems like that sort of guy...

My heart goes out to him more than anyone else....he's the only one I saw any tears from....

[trich]

I watched it....and forgive if this has already been discussed....
But if Cindy & George acted like Jesse was the father and went along with THAT until the paternity test proved otherwise & that relationship went south ...Then HOW can that old interview with Greta back when Cindy was standing in Caylee's room make sense? The one where Cindy says that Caylee's father knew & did not want to be involved from the beginning & is deceased thus his family does not know.
You can't have it both ways. One could conclude the deceased father is made up or maybe there were others onboard trying to trick Jesse.
Something tells me the lies are so layered you'd need a spread sheet,a story board & a tireless CSI team & still never get to the real truth! JMO!


That is what happens when people live their lives with falsehoods.
They tell so many lies they can't remember them all and that is when
they show how foolish they are by contridicting themselves.
This is exactly what happened to Scott Peterson....stupid man lied on tv in front of the whole world....but I have to say although I didn't think I would ever see any one lie worse then he ...well the Anthonys have him beat more then I would ever imagined.
This whole family is unbelieveable ....they are the epitimy of deceit and untruths.

[~jomomma~]

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo

i'd have to watch Gale's video again but i thought (from where they parked) they went to the left. you can see them going down a gravel road where it looks like vehicles could go. maybe if they would've gone to the right of where they parked the dogs would've found her. but wasn't there water in that area?

[5boxersmom]

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q

TY. I was to lazy to look. :lol:

[5boxersmom]

i'd have to watch Gale's video again but i thought (from where they parked) they went to the left. you can see them going down a gravel road where it looks like vehicles could go. maybe if they would've gone to the right of where they parked the dogs would've found her. but wasn't there water in that area?

I think knee high water is mentioned.

[spiritwolf46]

I saw Nancy Grace's interview of Jesse Grunn last night, and he kept saying that the Casey he knew was not the Casey that could have done what she's accused of. Jesse needs to understand that a pathological liar, which Casey obviously is, is a great manipulator. They can make you believe anything they want. I think Casey is a narcisistic sociopath or maybe psycopath, and only loves herself. I believe that these people are incapable of loving anyone but themselves.
Casey knew that she had to show the loving mother image in front of Jesse and his parents to win them over. Once Jesse and his parents starting showing too much love of Caylee, it was time for her to move on. I hope Jesse begins to realize that Casey never loved him so he can start "getting over her." She's not worth the heartache she's still causing him.


Terrific post, Tiggy! Spot on!

[Barbara fl.]

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q



I watched the video and it certainly looks like they were close enough to hit on it.....The only thing that I could think of is that she sprayed the contents in the bag really good with the pesticide...But it seems that the dog was reating to something...

[spiritwolf46]

I watched it....and forgive if this has already been discussed....
But if Cindy & George acted like Jesse was the father and went along with THAT until the paternity test proved otherwise & that relationship went south ...Then HOW can the old interview with Greta back when Cindy was standing in Caylee's room make sense? The one where Cindy says that Caylee's father knew & did not want to be involved from the beginning & is deceased thus his family does not know.
You can't have it both ways. One could conclude the deceased father is made up or maybe there were others onboard trying to trick Jesse.
Something tells me the lies are so layered you'd need a spread sheet,a story board & a tireless CSI team & still never get to the real truth! JMO!

Good morning, Starling!

ITA with this post! I have wondered this all along myself. Sure makes no sense at all.

To me, this just proves that this family got "their" stories down prior to Casey's first arrest. I do believe they ALL knew from the beginning what had happened and they stuck to the story (June 9th until proven that could not be right) and other things that they came up with in a very short time.

I hope they are all investigated to the hilt.

[jammies]

I watched it....and forgive if this has already been discussed....
But if Cindy & George acted like Jesse was the father and went along with THAT until the paternity test proved otherwise & that relationship went south ...Then HOW can the old interview with Greta back when Cindy was standing in Caylee's room make sense? The one where Cindy says that Caylee's father knew & did not want to be involved from the beginning & is deceased thus his family does not know.
You can't have it both ways. One could conclude the deceased father is made up or maybe there were others onboard trying to trick Jesse.
Something tells me the lies are so layered you'd need a spread sheet,a story board & a tireless CSI team & still never get to the real truth! JMO!



Just shows that within their own family the lies and coverups are so layered and numerous, even THEY can't remember what is real and what is not.

[starling]

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q


thanks for that, WOW!

[Barbara fl.]

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo


I just watched that video for the first time...and yes they were right at the spot it seems...The only explanation I can come up with is the pesticide.....But it seems that the dog became alert when near there...Also the young man in the back seat seemed to becoming ill at something....

It's just a shame that the body wasn't found sooner, they might have been able to tell the cause of death....but I'm glad that the body was found at all...

And, no, I couldn't imagine Casey digging a hole either...she must have just thought that it wouldn't be found or that she would have time to move it somewhere else at a later date........

I still believe that she put it there on the day that George almost went into the trunk, that would have been too close of a call for Casey. I believe she immediately went down the road and dropped it off...JMO.

[ellegna]

i'd have to watch Gale's video again but i thought (from where they parked) they went to the left. you can see them going down a gravel road where it looks like vehicles could go. maybe if they would've gone to the right of where they parked the dogs would've found her. but wasn't there water in that area?

Near the beginning of the video, pay attention to the dog. As they drive by the location where Caylee was found, the dog begins to pant and gets excited.

[Abbie]

Found an interesting collage breaking down the time line of events

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage


When you click on the crime scene photos link in the link above posted by ellegna, you can see a pic of the blue tent and palm fronds all in front and around it.

It just makes me remember Leonard Padillas saying- more than once- that her body wold be found beneath/ among palm fronds. Looks like he was right.

Or, is it a lucky guess? Are there enough palm fronds down there that her being found near one is a no-brainer, I wonder?

abbie

[5boxersmom]

Good morning, Starling!

ITA with this post! I have wondered this all along myself. Sure makes no sense at all.

To me, this just proves that this family got "their" stories down prior to Casey's first arrest. I do believe they ALL knew from the beginning what had happened and they stuck to the story (June 9th until proven that could not be right) and other things that they came up with in a very short time.

I hope they are all investigated to the hilt.

I will tell you something else I have been wondering about. In the FBI interview Cindy tells them she gave LE an address and phone number of Zanny. So why didn't she call or go there to see Caylee? Why did she have to tell Casey to take her to Caylee if she had the address?

I would love to know what address and number she gave LE if she really did.

[ellegna]

I just watched that video for the first time...and yes they were right at the spot it seems...The only explanation I can come up with is the pesticide.....But it seems that the dog became alert when near there...Also the young man in the back seat seemed to becoming ill at something....

It's just a shame that the body wasn't found sooner, they might have been able to tell the cause of death....but I'm glad that the body was found at all...

And, no, I couldn't imagine Casey digging a hole either...she must have just thought that it wouldn't be found or that she would have time to move it somewhere else at a later date........

I still believe that she put it there on the day that George almost went into the trunk, that would have been too close of a call for Casey. I believe she immediately went down the road and dropped it off...JMO.

my bold
Good to see someone else noticed that too. I read Gale had cadaver dogs. I wonder if that dog was one of them?

[spiritwolf46]

I will tell you something else I have been wondering about. In the FBI interview Cindy tells them she gave LE an address and phone number of Zanny. So why didn't she call or go there to see Caylee? Why did she have to tell Casey to take her to Caylee if she had the address?

I would love to know what address and number she gave LE if she really did.

OMG! That is something that I must have missed, but does NOT surprise me one bit! These people need to be held accountable for their cover ups in this mess. They left a little baby lie in weeds to rot while lying for their daughter.

Just unheard of!

[Barbara fl.]

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q



It was so close that it gives you an eerie feeling....if the dog had just went in the other direction.... it had to be the pesticide that threw off the scent a little... JMO

[TealMermaid]

I haven't had time to read all the new posts. Last night I saw Jesse Grund on NG. He said Casey broke up with him, because she thought he loved Caylee more! How twisted!
Also, Jesse seems like a good guy by all counts, but Casey and her family pointed the police in his direction as a suspect. UGH! The Anthonys will throw ANYONE under the bus!

[Lavenia]

When you click on the crime scene photos link in the link above posted by ellegna, you can see a pic of the blue tent and palm fronds all in front and around it.

It just makes me remember Leonard Padillas saying- more than once- that her body wold be found beneath/ among palm fronds. Looks like he was right.

Or, is it a lucky guess? Are there enough palm fronds down there that her being found near one is a no-brainer, I wonder?

abbie

Good morning Abbie and everyone else! I think Padilla was pretty safe in his prediction. Those palmetto leaves are ubiquitous in that whole region. I bet on no-brainer. He HAD to get something right after throwing so much against the wall.

[jammies]

I haven't had time to read all the new posts. Last night I saw Jesse Grund on NG. He said Casey broke up with him, because she thought he loved Caylee more! How twisted!
Also, Jesse seems like a good guy by all counts, but Casey and her family pointed the police in his direction as a suspect. UGH! The Anthonys will throw ANYONE under the bus!


I wonder what Casey told her parents when she called off their engagement. I've always thought she wanted to keep the Grund's and her parents separated lest they compare notes. I'm sure she made up some b.s. about Jesse so her parents would dislike him. She FOR SURE did not want her mom talking to Jesse after she was arrested.

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder what Casey told her parents when she called off their engagement. I've always thought she wanted to keep the Grund's and her parents separated lest they compare notes. I'm sure she made up some b.s. about Jesse so her parents would dislike him. She FOR SURE did not want her mom talking to Jesse after she was arrested.


I agree...she was worried they would compare notes....The Anthony's had to have like Jesse, he is such a nice young man, someone that any mother would hope their daughter could marry...My heart goes out to him more than anyone else.....

[desmom]

I will tell you something else I have been wondering about. In the FBI interview Cindy tells them she gave LE an address and phone number of Zanny. So why didn't she call or go there to see Caylee? Why did she have to tell Casey to take her to Caylee if she had the address?

I would love to know what address and number she gave LE if she really did.

And yet Lee tells LE in his interview he had never heard the name Zanny until Casey told the first officer to arrive at the house.

Page 4 http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/01%20Lee%20Anthony%20July%2029,%202008.pdf

[desmom]

It was so close that it gives you an eerie feeling....if the dog had just went in the other direction.... it had to be the pesticide that threw off the scent a little... JMO


The woman working the dog commented on the knee deep water. The foliage seemed pretty dense. I think she held the dog held the dog back. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

It's such a shame...It seems that Casey had to hurt everyone that loved her. Caylee, her parents, her brother, Amy, Jesse...Casey was a disaster for anyone that was close to her....She's distructive to all but herself......


She is also going to destroy her attornies because they don't stand a chance with this case....(but I certainly don't feel sorry for that dream team).....

[Barbara fl.]

The woman working the dog commented on the knee deep water. The foliage seemed pretty dense. I think she held the dog held the dog back. jmo


I was thinking the same thing...if the woman would have just let the dog go he might have led them right to the body...It is so eerie...they were right there...

[Mimi428]

I wonder what Casey told her parents when she called off their engagement. I've always thought she wanted to keep the Grund's and her parents separated lest they compare notes. I'm sure she made up some b.s. about Jesse so her parents would dislike him. She FOR SURE did not want her mom talking to Jesse after she was arrested.

Casey was also apparently willing to make up BS about her parents to others, including Jesse. I'm sure there are any number of people she would prefer could not get together & compare notes about what she said about them. Problem for her is that they all have done police interviews & I'm sure there is lengthy & tedious documentation of what she said about this one, that one & the other one. Now how anyone will be able to make any rhyme or reason out of it, I can't imagine - yowie!

(meanwhile & sorry to go O/T, D/H is feeling better after spending all day in the ER. Meds adjusted, all is ok)


JMO

[~jomomma~]

I found the post from yesterday by Steffaroob4

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12584005&highlight=gale#post12584005

Someone posted the video from Gale St. John's site on youtube. You can watch here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bukQWMaxD0Q

thanks desmom

did any of you watch this before? i think it's been edited.

last time i watched it, it showed them walking down a gravel vehicle path with the dogs.

i'm confused

oh wait.........this was a youtube........lemme go look for something

[Jeepers]

If anyone throws anything please let it be soft.
This has been bugging me. At the very beginning of this the Anthony family kept on saying June 9th as the last time anyone saw Caylee then came the video of FD June 15, Cindy's birthday was June 5 Caylee was at the birthday party for Cindy but Casey was not. This is strange to me. I have been thinking this actually started earlier with Casey and Caylee not staying at the Athony home every nite. Cindy was on vacation and reports said she waiting for Casey to bring Caylee to see her. Where were they at this point. Casey and Caylee were seen at different times during the early part of June. The after the 15th no one sees Caylee.Something it seems to me was going on before Father's Day. Somehow Cindy got Caylee and took her to the nursing home for a visit .Where was Casey during the time Cindy and Caylee was visitng greatgrand parents? I think Casey was already on the outs with ther parents before the 15th of June. The fight on the 15th was just the beginning of the end.

According to Rick Cindy's brother Casey had been lying and stealing from the family for years.
The money from the grandparents to pay for phone April
Casey's birthday March
Casey's compouter searches in March
A check Casey wrote from her grandparents account forged the grandfather's name amount not known to me or date but in the for line Merry Christmas
I think things were piling up real quick for Casey.

I will duck now!:w00t:

[Mimi428]

The woman working the dog commented on the knee deep water. The foliage seemed pretty dense. I think she held the dog held the dog back. jmo

I think she did, too & it is easy to see why. The foliage was so dense & you know there had to be no end of possibilities for snakes & other things in there that would be a danger to the dogs & also to the people. Add knee-deep water to the mix - what a quagmire.

[Barbara fl.]

Casey was also apparently willing to make up BS about her parents to others, including Jesse. I'm sure there are any number of people she would prefer could not get together & compare notes about what she said about them. Problem for her is that they all have done police interviews & I'm sure there is lengthy & tedious documentation of what she said about this one, that one & the other one. Now how anyone will be able to make any rhyme or reason out of it, I can't imagine - yowie!

(meanwhile & sorry to go O/T, D/H is feeling better after spending all day in the ER. Meds adjusted, all is ok)


JMO


Glad to hear all is ok....

And yes, I believe that Casey changed her hanging out crowd often and she probably never let them know one another...that is usually how pathological liars operate...once people get on to their lies they move on to others that don't know them...I'm sure that none of her associates knew one another....She wouldn't be able to live her lies.

That is why Cindy asked on the one of the tapes "does anyone else know this one or that one" and Casey kept saying "it's possible but I don't think so"......She knew so...because she never let them know one another....This Casey has been like this for all her life....no doubt....

[Mimi428]

I think Casey was already on the outs with ther parents before the 15th of June. The fight on the 15th was just the beginning of the end.



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I wouldn't throw anything at you & I think you are absolutely right about Casey being on the outs with her parents waaaaay before the 15th of June. I would venture to guess that she has been on the outs with her parents since she was a very, very young child.

JMO

[ellegna]

Good morning, Starling!

ITA with this post! I have wondered this all along myself. Sure makes no sense at all.

To me, this just proves that this family got "their" stories down prior to Casey's first arrest. I do believe they ALL knew from the beginning what had happened and they stuck to the story (June 9th until proven that could not be right) and other things that they came up with in a very short time.

I hope they are all investigated to the hilt.

I agree a plan was devised after Cindy's 9-1-1 call. Lee stated in his interview Casey broke down and cried. She confessed to Lee Casey was kidnapped BUT did Casey really confess to Lee Caylee was dead????
The police are now on their way so they concocted the June 9th, I dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass story. George is sent away because he was considered the weak link.

Lee - Once my mother went outside to clear her head I acknowledged to Casey that mom’s outside and she can’t hear us. Casey began to break down and told me she doesn’t know where Caylee is and she hadn’t seen her in 31 days since she dropped her off to her nanny zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Casey - On Monday, June 9, 2008 between 9am and 1 pm, I, Casey Anthony, took my daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, to her nanny’s apartment.
Cindy - I last saw my granddaughter Sun June 8th. Casey for the last month has told me that Caylee has been with her She refused to let me speak with her because she said I would upset her.
George - AS TO THIS STATEMENT, MY GRANDDAUGHTER- CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, AGE 3 HAS BEEN MISSING. WHAT I MEAN, I HAVE NOT SEEN HER OR HEARD HER VOICE SINCE JUNE 9, 2008.


When the Father's day video surfaced IMO, the A's went to plan B.
George concocts this story about watching his favorite cooking. Casey and Caylee are leaving precisely at 12:50 and provides explicit detail what they both were wearing. Not bad recollection for a guy who couldn't get the right date the first time.

I have no doubt the entire family knew as of July 16th what really happened to Caylee and immediately went into cover up mode.

[~jomomma~]

hmmmm...it was edited. i just went to Gale's website and the video has changed. it stops at that point now

[TxLady2]

When you click on the crime scene photos link in the link above posted by ellegna, you can see a pic of the blue tent and palm fronds all in front and around it.

It just makes me remember Leonard Padillas saying- more than once- that her body wold be found beneath/ among palm fronds. Looks like he was right.

Or, is it a lucky guess? Are there enough palm fronds down there that her being found near one is a no-brainer, I wonder?

abbie

He said she was put in the dumpster, too. And then she was in the Econ river. New theory every week... he had to hit it right sometime.

[Barbara fl.]

If anyone throws anything please let it be soft.
This has been bugging me. At the very beginning of this the Anthony family kept on saying June 9th as the last time anyone saw Caylee then came the video of FD June 15, Cindy's birthday was June 5 Caylee was at the birthday party for Cindy but Casey was not. This is strange to me. I have been thinking this actually started earlier with Casey and Caylee not staying at the Athony home every nite. Cindy was on vacation and reports said she waiting for Casey to bring Caylee to see her. Where were they at this point. Casey and Caylee were seen at different times during the early part of June. The after the 15th no one sees Caylee.Something it seems to me was going on before Father's Day. Somehow Cindy got Caylee and took her to the nursing home for a visit .Where was Casey during the time Cindy and Caylee was visitng greatgrand parents? I think Casey was already on the outs with ther parents before the 15th of June. The fight on the 15th was just the beginning of the end.

According to Rick Cindy's brother Casey had been lying and stealing from the family for years.
The money from the grandparents to pay for phone April
Casey's birthday March
Casey's compouter searches in March
A check Casey wrote from her grandparents account forged the grandfather's name amount not known to me or date but in the for line Merry Christmas
I think things were piling up real quick for Casey.

I will duck now!:w00t:


I don't understand how they confused the date, seeing as it was fathers day and they had that visit at the nursing home....but it could have been that because Casey confused it they went along with it until it was noticed.....

I believe it was on that day (father's day) that Cindy's mother informed Cindy that Casey had stolen money from the grandfathers account....it was that night (father's day) that Cindy had a blow up with Casey....

I agree that something had probably been stirring in that household for some time but it was Father's day/might that it somewhat came to a head.....Casey called Tone and asked if she can come there and he said yes but not to bring Caylee....

The next day June 16th is when George saw and spoke to Casey and Caylee before going to work.....and that was the last time anyone ever saw Caylee......

My theory is that...Casey HAD been planning to do what she did for some time but the big fight was the straw that broke the camels back...and she went into motion and carried it out.....part of it was to hurt her parents and the other part was to regain her freedom.....JMO

[5boxersmom]

If anyone throws anything please let it be soft.
This has been bugging me. At the very beginning of this the Anthony family kept on saying June 9th as the last time anyone saw Caylee then came the video of FD June 15, Cindy's birthday was June 5 Caylee was at the birthday party for Cindy but Casey was not. This is strange to me. I have been thinking this actually started earlier with Casey and Caylee not staying at the Athony home every nite. Cindy was on vacation and reports said she waiting for Casey to bring Caylee to see her. Where were they at this point. Casey and Caylee were seen at different times during the early part of June. The after the 15th no one sees Caylee.Something it seems to me was going on before Father's Day. Somehow Cindy got Caylee and took her to the nursing home for a visit .Where was Casey during the time Cindy and Caylee was visitng greatgrand parents? I think Casey was already on the outs with ther parents before the 15th of June. The fight on the 15th was just the beginning of the end.

According to Rick Cindy's brother Casey had been lying and stealing from the family for years.
The money from the grandparents to pay for phone April
Casey's birthday March
Casey's compouter searches in March
A check Casey wrote from her grandparents account forged the grandfather's name amount not known to me or date but in the for line Merry Christmas
I think things were piling up real quick for Casey.

I will duck now!:w00t:

I think you make very good points. Do we know for sure Caylee was with Cindy on Cindy's birthday?

[suzanne]

Found an interesting collage breaking down the time line of events

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/nationworld/orl-caylee-anthony-case,0,3157747.htmlpage

Yes,Thank you for the link.

[jammies]

Casey was also apparently willing to make up BS about her parents to others, including Jesse. I'm sure there are any number of people she would prefer could not get together & compare notes about what she said about them. Problem for her is that they all have done police interviews & I'm sure there is lengthy & tedious documentation of what she said about this one, that one & the other one. Now how anyone will be able to make any rhyme or reason out of it, I can't imagine - yowie!

(meanwhile & sorry to go O/T, D/H is feeling better after spending all day in the ER. Meds adjusted, all is ok)


JMO


Great news, Mimi!

Yes, she kept everyone separated. If it were just Casey that made up stories, this would be much easier to follow. Instead we have the whole family displaying the same behavior. Kudo's to LE for keeping their cool with them. I know I couldn't.

[5boxersmom]

When did the friends start planning there trip to PR? March? The same time as the internet searches? Did Casey kill Caylee so she could go to PR too but couldn't get the money to go?

[jammies]

I don't understand how they confused the date, seeing as it was fathers day and they had that visit at the nursing home....but it could have been that because Casey confused it they went along with it until it was noticed.....

I believe it was on that day (father's day) that Cindy's mother informed Cindy that Casey had stolen money from the grandfathers account....it was that night (father's day) that Cindy had a blow up with Casey....

I agree that something had probably been stirring in that household for some time but it was Father's day/might that it somewhat came to a head.....Casey called Tone and asked if she can come there and he said yes but not to bring Caylee....

The next day June 16th is when George saw and spoke to Casey and Caylee before going to work.....and that was the last time anyone ever saw Caylee......

My theory is that...Casey HAD been planning to do what she did for some time but the big fight was the straw that broke the camels back...and she went into motion and carried it out.....part of it was to hurt her parents and the other part was to regain her freedom.....JMO


I don't believe for one nano second that CINDY confused the date. As she waited for those 31 days you KNOW she thought of the last time she spent with Caylee. That is HOW she would have thought of Caylee....her last period of time with her. I will never buy that she mixed up the dates. Maybe GA but NOT Cindy. No way!

[Abbie]

Good morning Abbie and everyone else! I think Padilla was pretty safe in his prediction. Those palmetto leaves are ubiquitous in that whole region. I bet on no-brainer. He HAD to get something right after throwing so much against the wall.

Yeah, I wondered about that. Thanks for clearing it up.

It makes me laugh that the psychic (GSJ) drove right past the place where Caylees remains were and not only did SHE not get a hit on the area, she also didn't see her "cadaver dog" do some kind of a covert "alert" by panting and acting excited. :rolleyes:
Shes a lousy "psychic" and while her dog just "might" be a cadaver dog, she obviously doesn't connect psychicly or otherwise with the dog or she would have sensed his 'alert'.
Nothing against psychics, but I think shes a joke.
No flames, please. Its JMO.

abbie

[Barbara fl.]

I agree a plan was devised after Cindy's 9-1-1 call. Lee stated in his interview Casey broke down and cried. She confessed to Lee Casey was kidnapped BUT did Casey really confess to Lee Caylee was dead????
The police are now on their way so they concocted the June 9th, I dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass story. George is sent away because he was considered the weak link.

Lee - Once my mother went outside to clear her head I acknowledged to Casey that mom’s outside and she can’t hear us. Casey began to break down and told me she doesn’t know where Caylee is and she hadn’t seen her in 31 days since she dropped her off to her nanny zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Casey - On Monday, June 9, 2008 between 9am and 1 pm, I, Casey Anthony, took my daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, to her nanny’s apartment.
Cindy - I last saw my granddaughter Sun June 8th. Casey for the last month has told me that Caylee has been with her She refused to let me speak with her because she said I would upset her.
George - AS TO THIS STATEMENT, MY GRANDDAUGHTER- CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, AGE 3 HAS BEEN MISSING. WHAT I MEAN, I HAVE NOT SEEN HER OR HEARD HER VOICE SINCE JUNE 9, 2008.


When the Father's day video surfaced IMO, the A's went to plan B.
George concocts this story about watching his favorite cooking. Casey and Caylee are leaving precisely at 12:50 and provides explicit detail what they both were wearing. Not bad recollection for a guy who couldn't get the right date the first time.

I have no doubt the entire family knew as of July 16th what really happened to Caylee and immediately went into cover up mode.


What I find wrong with that story is.....When Cindy went to Tone's apartment and told Casey to get her things, she then asked Casey to take her to get Caylee...Casey told her that Caylee was probably sleeping...It was then that CINDY claimed to have said to Casey "I don't care, I want to go get her" and Cindy claimed at this point Casey broke down and told her that Caylee had been taken by the nanny...
but that's not how it happened..

Why did Cindy drive home without going to get Caylee? Why did she accept what Casey was telling her? I believe they were already home when Lee was heard talking to Casey and Cindy overheard what Casey said.....Then Cindy paniced and called 911......

While in the car, I would have assumed that the grandmother Cindy would have made Casey bring her to "ZENAIDA's" house...how could she have accepted any excuse what so ever after all that had gone down.....(not seeing Caylee for a month, car towed away, odor of death in car)........NO one in their right mind would have driven home without their granddaughter, even if they would have had to drive for hours and hours.....

I just don't get it.....

[jammies]

Yeah, I wondered about that. Thanks for clearing it up.

It makes me laugh that the psychic (GSJ) drove right past the place where Caylees remains were and not only did SHE not get a hit on the area, she also didn't see her "cadaver dog" do some kind of a covert "alert" by panting and acting excited. :rolleyes:
Shes a lousy "psychic" and while her dog just "might" be a cadaver dog, she obviously doesn't connect psychicly or otherwise with the dog or she would have sensed his 'alert'.
Nothing against psychics, but I think shes a joke.
No flames, please. Its JMO.

abbie



ITA, abbie. If you are a psychic why do you need cad dogs anyway?

[jammies]

Since I had nothing better to do yesterday and couldn't partake in the discussion, I reread Lees statement. That is one freak. Each and every time he talked of the smell he laughed. And there is something about Heather that bothers me, His voice totally changed when talking about her.


Remind me....who's Heather?

[suzanne]

[QUOTE=Lavenia;12586773]Good morning Abbie and everyone else! I think Padilla was pretty safe in his prediction. Those palmetto leaves are ubiquitous in that whole region. I bet on no-brainer. He HAD to get something right after throwing so much against the wall.[/QUOT

Padilla and Robert Dick are Bounty hunters?Robert Dick is a very nice looking man but I cannot figure out why they are even there in the first place.Very confusing.

[Mimi428]

Kudo's to LE for keeping their cool with them. I know I couldn't.


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Thanks for reminding me about that! I was thinking very early on, how unbearably frustrating that must have been for LE once they realized that Casey was going to be a perpetual motion machine of lies. And then, to find out that each & every member of the family had their OWN set of lies, diversions, mis-directing statements, coverups & evasive answers - whew, that had to have been a challenge & a half.

[Abbie]

I don't believe for one nano second that CINDY confused the date. As she waited for those 31 days you KNOW she thought of the last time she spent with Caylee. That is HOW she would have thought of Caylee....her last period of time with her. I will never buy that she mixed up the dates. Maybe GA but NOT Cindy. No way!


I don't beleive she confused the dates, either. George, yes. He was barely employed and had no reason to have dates, times, schedules & errands written down or memorized. Cindy, on the other hand, was working full time, and all that job entailed (she was apparently a respected collegue as I have not heard or read anything otherwise) plus cooking meals, shopping, raising her grandaughter while tolerating a lying scheming and theiving daughter, and dealing with elderly parents in another town.
I don't think Cindy mixed up those dates. But, maybe her head was so full of BS and lies when the police asked her the date, (a month and a day later) that she couldn't think straight.

abbie

[Jeepers]

I think you make very good points. Do we know for sure Caylee was with Cindy on Cindy's birthday?
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Boxermom, You know that is a good question. That is just what was reported that Lee and Caylee were there for Cindy's birthday. That would be June the 5th maybe Casey was already in trouble for the check for the phone at this point.I guess I would have to see a video of it to ensure that was the truth. Nothing these folks have said or done you can take to the bank.
I just think that Casey and Caylee were in and out of the Anthony home before the 15th. I think there was a lot going on before the final blow up on Father's Day.
If the check for the phone was in April the bank statement would have been in May or June according to when the check was actually written and the cut off time for the bank to process the statements. Shirely might not have known about the check until June if Casey wrote it at the end of April and it did not clear until after the May statement was sent out. jmo

[MalloryCat]

He said she was put in the dumpster, too. And then she was in the Econ river. New theory every week... he had to hit it right sometime.

Yeah, no kidding.

jmo

[Abbie]

[QUOTE=Lavenia;12586773]Good morning Abbie and everyone else! I think Padilla was pretty safe in his prediction. Those palmetto leaves are ubiquitous in that whole region. I bet on no-brainer. He HAD to get something right after throwing so much against the wall.[/QUOT

Padilla and Robert Dick are Bounty hunters?Robert Dick is a very nice looking man but I cannot figure out why they are even there in the first place.Very confusing.


My guess....

m e d i a e x p o s u r e which equals m o n e y

but I could be wrong.

Yes, that Rob Dick is quite a refreshing sight, isn't he? My corneas were starting to heal from too much Drew Peterson when Dick came into the picture. All better now. :)

abbie

[suzanne]

I was thinking the same thing...if the woman would have just let the dog go he might have led them right to the body...It is so eerie...they were right there...

I thought this was pretty interesting myself.I think it was Colleen?with the dog that said she felt something there though.

[Jeepers]

What I find wrong with that story is.....When Cindy went to Tone's apartment and told Casey to get her things, she then asked Casey to take her to get Caylee...Casey told her that Caylee was probably sleeping...It was then that CINDY claimed to have said to Casey "I don't care, I want to go get her" and Cindy claimed at this point Casey broke down and told her that Caylee had been taken by the nanny...
but that's not how it happened..

Why did Cindy drive home without going to get Caylee? Why did she accept what Casey was telling her? I believe they were already home when Lee was heard talking to Casey and Cindy overheard what Casey said.....Then Cindy paniced and called 911......

While in the car, I would have assumed that the grandmother Cindy would have made Casey bring her to "ZENAIDA's" house...how could she have accepted any excuse what so ever after all that had gone down.....(not seeing Caylee for a month, car towed away, odor of death in car)........NO one in their right mind would have driven home without their granddaughter, even if they would have had to drive for hours and hours.....

I just don't get it.....

I remember Cindy sayhing she drove to a police sub station with Casey but it was closed or something to that effect and then they went home and Cindy called 911.

[jammies]

I don't beleive she confused the dates, either. George, yes. He was barely employed and had no reason to have dates, times, schedules & errands written down or memorized. Cindy, on the other hand, was working full time, and all that job entailed (she was apparently a respected collegue as I have not heard or read anything otherwise) plus cooking meals, shopping, raising her grandaughter while tolerating a lying scheming and theiving daughter, and dealing with elderly parents in another town.
I don't think Cindy mixed up those dates. But, maybe her head was so full of BS and lies when the police asked her the date, (a month and a day later) that she couldn't think straight.

abbie


For me, the only way I'd believe she mixed up the dates was if she actually thought Father's Day was on the 9th. And even then, that's a stretch. They all wanted to steer clear of the 15th-16th timeframe.

[desmom]

What I find wrong with that story is.....When Cindy went to Tone's apartment and told Casey to get her things, she then asked Casey to take her to get Caylee...Casey told her that Caylee was probably sleeping...It was then that CINDY claimed to have said to Casey "I don't care, I want to go get her" and Cindy claimed at this point Casey broke down and told her that Caylee had been taken by the nanny...
but that's not how it happened..

Why did Cindy drive home without going to get Caylee? Why did she accept what Casey was telling her? I believe they were already home when Lee was heard talking to Casey and Cindy overheard what Casey said.....Then Cindy paniced and called 911......

While in the car, I would have assumed that the grandmother Cindy would have made Casey bring her to "ZENAIDA's" house...how could she have accepted any excuse what so ever after all that had gone down.....(not seeing Caylee for a month, car towed away, odor of death in car)........NO one in their right mind would have driven home without their granddaughter, even if they would have had to drive for hours and hours.....

I just don't get it.....

(bolding mine) I missed Cindy saying Casey broke down at TonE's apt. Do you recall if that was in one of her LE interviews or her blah, blah with the media? TIA

[suzanne]

[QUOTE=suzannec4444;12586834]


My guess....

m e d i a e x p o s u r e which equals m o n e y

but I could be wrong.

Yes, that Rob Dick is quite a refreshing sight, isn't he? My corneas were starting to heal from too much Drew Peterson when Dick came into the picture. All better now. :)

abbie


LOL LOL.I agree.

[trich]

I remember Cindy sayhing she drove to a police sub station with Casey but it was closed or something to that effect and then they went home and Cindy called 911.



I remember that too!


The Anthonys knew Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk.
They both said they thought they would find either Casey or Caylee in the trunk before they opened it.
Once Cindy found Casey...that just confirmed that Caylee was dead.
IMO
It has been cover for Casey as usual ever since.

[CuriousJo]

That sounds right- CA demanded that Casey take her to Caylee -or - she was taking her to the police station. Casey told her that was a good idea, and they drove to the police station. When they got there, it was closed. So, they drove home and CA called 911 to report missing child. Apparently, CA had called GA with her concerns while driving home. GA called LA and asked him to go to the house. In the end, Casey told LA that Caylee had been kidnapped 31 days ago, CA overheard the comment and called 911 again.

[frances1]

What I find wrong with that story is.....When Cindy went to Tone's apartment and told Casey to get her things, she then asked Casey to take her to get Caylee...Casey told her that Caylee was probably sleeping...It was then that CINDY claimed to have said to Casey "I don't care, I want to go get her" and Cindy claimed at this point Casey broke down and told her that Caylee had been taken by the nanny...
but that's not how it happened..

Why did Cindy drive home without going to get Caylee? Why did she accept what Casey was telling her? I believe they were already home when Lee was heard talking to Casey and Cindy overheard what Casey said.....Then Cindy paniced and called 911......

While in the car, I would have assumed that the grandmother Cindy would have made Casey bring her to "ZENAIDA's" house...how could she have accepted any excuse what so ever after all that had gone down.....(not seeing Caylee for a month, car towed away, odor of death in car)........NO one in their right mind would have driven home without their granddaughter, even if they would have had to drive for hours and hours.....

I just don't get it.....

Barbara, IIRC, they did drive around for quite some time, with Cindy yelling at Casey to take her to Caylee, but Casey wasn't budging.

[martha]

I remember that too!


The Anthonys knew Caylee had been decomposing in the trunk.
They both said they thought they would find either Casey or Caylee in the trunk before they opened it.
Once Cindy found Casey...that just confirmed that Caylee was dead.
IMO
It has been cover for Casey as usual ever since. You or so right they knew right from the start. No grandmother would forget the last time she seen her gd. I bet caylee cryed to go home to gm and gp house all the time.she lived there 2 1/2 years and all her stuff was there and no way was she happy out with casey all the time. this started way before the 15th between cindy and casey. Has g and c or lee been out of their houses since the body was found? no word from casey since the body was found. I am sure we or going to find out a lot more when the trial starts. jmho

[jammies]

We all know they stayed away from June 15th because of the enormous fight between Casey and Cindy regarding the cheque fraud that Casey committed against her elderly Grandparents.

Its my theory that it was a physical fight, with great yelling, where Cindy told Casey she was going to get custody of Caylee, and Casey told Cindy that she would 'never' see Caylee again, and left the home.

jmo


Yep. Can't help but wonder if there is "more" to the story. The fight that we've heard about re: yelling, threats, etc. probably happened more often than just that one incident. Did something else come up that day that they are afraid of? (and no, I don't think they had anything to do with the death of Caylee)

[Regina.Lampert]

That sounds right- CA demanded that Casey take her to Caylee -or - she was taking her to the police station. Casey told her that was a good idea, and they drove to the police station. When they got there, it was closed. So, they drove home and CA called 911 to report missing child. Apparently, CA had called GA with her concerns while driving home. GA called LA and asked him to go to the house. In the end, Casey told LA that Caylee had been kidnapped 31 days ago, CA overheard the comment and called 911 again.

IIRC, wasn't there significant lag time between the call made to 911 in the closed LE parking lot and the 911 call from the home? I'd like to know what really transpired during that time.

[trich]

Yes it was a bad move to suggest Jesse was involved but...first of all they did not accuse him of killing Caylee, they suggested he may have taken her. Secondly the Anthony's mistrust of Jesse came straight from Casey's mouth and we all heard it on the jail house tape.

How ironic that Casey would say Jesse can't be trusted when she was so desperate to get his phone number after she was arrested. She turned on him quick when he wouldn't talk to her. Could it be that she wanted Jesse to wipe out her computer files?

So sorry I have confused Jesse and TonE. TonE was the one who would not talk to her. and where her computer was.

Lee is the one IMO that whipped out her laptop.
I think that is what just might be the reason his lawyer suggested he might be charged with obstruction or something to that affect.
If you recall he is the one who went and got Casey's things from TonE's on the night that Cindy got her from there.
I also believe he tried to lead the LE into thinking TonE or someone else did by saying her things were all packed up neat and that was not like
Casey.
This whole family does nothing but give inuendos and little tidbits in order to try and suggest someone else is responsible for whatever happens.

[Abbie]

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo


Hmmmm. Remember Cindy Anthony told about her and Lee sneaking out of the house and going to the nursing home, in the middle of the night, supposedly to tell her parents about the Casey/Caylee saga before they heard it on the news? Who's to say the two of them didn't take a little rest stop where Caylees remains were, to further hide or cover them up, at Caseys request? Maybe stopping by to look to see if Casey had truly dumped her child there, cos Casey told them she did. Then on to the nursing home.
Because they did leave their home undetected that night, and they did have a wee-hours-of-the-morning visit with the parents of Cindy at the nursing home, per NH staff. I read it somewhere and no don't have a link, don't do links on holidays LOL so call it JMO.

They are either in it up to their eyeballs or they had nothing to do with it at all. I just can't beleive in anything in between.


abbie

[Mimi428]

That sounds right- CA demanded that Casey take her to Caylee -or - she was taking her to the police station. Casey told her that was a good idea, and they drove to the police station. When they got there, it was closed. So, they drove home and CA called 911 to report missing child. Apparently, CA had called GA with her concerns while driving home. GA called LA and asked him to go to the house. In the end, Casey told LA that Caylee had been kidnapped 31 days ago, CA overheard the comment and called 911 again.

Cindy calls George. George calls Lee. And so on & so on. I wonder what might have happened if George, Cindy & Lee had all stood together as a unit & confronted Casey? Put her in a position where she could not flit from one to the another to the next.

In some ways I think that shows just how much people get worn completely to a nub trying to come up with some effective way to deal with someone who is a bottomless pit of lies. "Let me talk to her. No, that didn't work, now you try to talk to her. Didn't get anywhere, call in her brother & maybe HE can talk to her. Nope, that didn't get us anywhere either..."

What a freakin' nightmare.

JMO

[Abbie]

IIRC, wasn't there significant lag time between the call made to 911 in the closed LE parking lot and the 911 call from the home? I'd like to know what really transpired during that time.

Plus, add the time Cindy and Casey spent in the car while driving Amy home, and the time from then to the police station....

Cindy A must have great, great restraint. I am pretty sure I that it would have been more than enough time elapsing for me to have choked my lying child until they told me the truth about where my grandchild was...
wonder what stopped her?


abbie

[Jeepers]

Yes according to Lee she was there. But are we in dispute that Caylee was last seen Father's day? the 31 days has always bothered me, I would have said a month or 4 weeks, or FATHER"S DAY

That was an odd way of saying a month I agree. I would have stated it the same way you say (unless I was counting the days). When my kids were little they would count the days before Christmas or until
their birthday. If that makes sense.

[5boxersmom]

I think you make very good points. Do we know for sure Caylee was with Cindy on Cindy's birthday?
__________________
Boxermom, You know that is a good question. That is just what was reported that Lee and Caylee were there for Cindy's birthday. That would be June the 5th maybe Casey was already in trouble for the check for the phone at this point.I guess I would have to see a video of it to ensure that was the truth. Nothing these folks have said or done you can take to the bank.
I just think that Casey and Caylee were in and out of the Anthony home before the 15th. I think there was a lot going on before the final blow up on Father's Day.
If the check for the phone was in April the bank statement would have been in May or June according to when the check was actually written and the cut off time for the bank to process the statements. Shirely might not have known about the check until June if Casey wrote it at the end of April and it did not clear until after the May statement was sent out. jmo

I have to wonder if Casey did take any of Caylee's things? Cindy says no, Casey said Zamny had clothes for Caylee. Just strange things to add to more strange things.

[Danette44]

What I find wrong with that story is.....When Cindy went to Tone's apartment and told Casey to get her things, she then asked Casey to take her to get Caylee...Casey told her that Caylee was probably sleeping...It was then that CINDY claimed to have said to Casey "I don't care, I want to go get her" and Cindy claimed at this point Casey broke down and told her that Caylee had been taken by the nanny...
but that's not how it happened..

Why did Cindy drive home without going to get Caylee? Why did she accept what Casey was telling her? I believe they were already home when Lee was heard talking to Casey and Cindy overheard what Casey said.....Then Cindy paniced and called 911......

While in the car, I would have assumed that the grandmother Cindy would have made Casey bring her to "ZENAIDA's" house...how could she have accepted any excuse what so ever after all that had gone down.....(not seeing Caylee for a month, car towed away, odor of death in car)........NO one in their right mind would have driven home without their granddaughter, even if they would have had to drive for hours and hours.....

I just don't get it.....

Barbara - didn't she at one point take Casey to the "Sub-Station", and it was closed so she went home to call the police instead? And George had called Lee to get to the house, so he was waiting for them. George was at work and couldn't get away since it was his first night working for that company.

[CuriousJo]

They had waited 31 days to find Casey. 31 days! At this point, they were still hoping in their hearts that Caylee was alive, ----though their brain was telling them she was not. It makes perfect sense for the parent to ask her brother to try to find the truth. Its obvious that CA and Casey had a dysfunctional relationship. I don't think the parents were involved. Not sure about Lee.

[Katt2]

Lee is the one IMO that whipped out her laptop.
I think that is what just might be the reason his lawyer suggested he might be charged with obstruction or something to that affect.
If you recall he is the one who went and got Casey's things from TonE's on the night that Cindy got her from there.
I also believe he tried to lead the LE into thinking TonE or someone else did by saying her things were all packed up neat and that was not like
Casey.
This whole family does nothing but give inuendos and little tidbits in order to try and suggest someone else is responsible for whatever happens.

Oh I agree that Lee wiped out the computer but I am thinking she was trying to connect with ToneE to do it and that's why she was so desperate to get his number and when he wouldn't talk to her, she then went to Lee.

[5boxersmom]

Plus, add the time Cindy and Casey spent in the car while driving Amy home, and the time from then to the police station....

Cindy A must have great, great restraint. I am pretty sure I that it would have been more than enough time elapsing for me to have choked my lying child until they told me the truth about where my grandchild was...
wonder what stopped her?


abbie

And hearing Casey asking Cindy for one more day and Cindy saying I gave you a month. :confused:

[Mimi428]

Plus, add the time Cindy and Casey spent in the car while driving Amy home, and the time from then to the police station....

Cindy A must have great, great restraint. I am pretty sure I that it would have been more than enough time elapsing for me to have choked my lying child until they told me the truth about where my grandchild was...
wonder what stopped her?


abbie


My pure guess is that they all knew that if they did slap the pee-waddling h#ll out of her, THEY would be the ones in jail.

I actually know someone who that happened to. Lying, thieving, conniving 17-year-old son driving his parents straight out of their minds. Goaded his parents for over an hour (for the zillionth time) while they tried to get some truth out of him. He (son) smarted off to his mother with some vulgarities, walked out the door, his father lost it, grabbed him & slammed him up against the wall of the house (outside). Girlfriend called the police, police saw red marks on son, son & girlfriend swore his father assaulted him, father arrested & off to jail he went.

Son got what he wanted, parents ended up spending a fortune of more money (which they could not afford since their son was stealing from them) & they STILL never got any truth out of the son.

[Jeepers]

Yes according to Lee she was there. But are we in dispute that Caylee was last seen Father's day? the 31 days has always bothered me, I would have said a month or 4 weeks, or FATHER"S DAY

According to LE expert the video of Caylee at nursing home was true to be the 15th of June. My questions were where was Casey during Cindy's birthday and while Cindy was on vacation in June. I believe there was some bad stuff going on before the 15th fight between Casey & Cindy. I don't know where Casey was during the time Cindy and Caylee went to nursing home and got back home. Then the fight that evening.Wasd Cindy and Casey fighting on or around the time of Cindy's birthday?

When did Cindy find out about the check being stolen the $384.00 from her mother. The check was written in April, before going to the nursing home on the 15th or before then?

[jammies]

Cindy could get the truth out of Casey. All she would have to do is pizz her off enough and Casey would spill just to get even.

Instead, Cindy placates her, walks on tiptoes, sucks up the obvious lies because she really DIDN'T want to know.

[starling]

Good morning, Starling!

ITA with this post! I have wondered this all along myself. Sure makes no sense at all.

To me, this just proves that this family got "their" stories down prior to Casey's first arrest. I do believe they ALL knew from the beginning what had happened and they stuck to the story (June 9th until proven that could not be right) and other things that they came up with in a very short time.

I hope they are all investigated to the hilt.


I hope so too.
Normally I would think LE would not put the energy or time to go after the family members...but the As have been hanging that lie-laundry out for everyone to see IMO.




JMO

[Jeepers]

I have to wonder if Casey did take any of Caylee's things? Cindy says no, Casey said Zamny had clothes for Caylee. Just strange things to add to more strange things.

The police have not said everything that was found in the car. I believe the Anthony's got a lot of things out of the car before LE arrived. LE have not disclosed everything that was found at the crime scene. We know a book and reported a dress and a bathing suit. I am thinking with the reported statement thatCasey made, LE has not found her clothes yet, I think a lot of items were dumped where her remains were found.

[SandyO]

I did see a video and pictures on Gail St. Johns website and they were close. Someone said they did this all over Orlando. The pic is posted on that last thread.

Digging a hole big enough to bury someone is hard work. I just can't see Casey doing it.

imo

I can't see Casey tromping very far back into the palmeto grove/swamp to dispose of her package either, so things actually make perfect sense--- (that part at least).

[Cury-us Coyote]

I watched the video and it certainly looks like they were close enough to hit on it.....The only thing that I could think of is that she sprayed the contents in the bag really good with the pesticide...But it seems that the dog was reating to something...

Have you researched where GstJ obtained the dogs and past training of said dogs? Do you think a professional search team would wear shorts on a search if they intended to search thoroughly?

IMO, the ONLY value the video offers is better understanding the appearance of the area during the summer and water conditions if the dates can be verified.

Regarding video editing, if a group drove slowly up and down a pathway thru a woods with off-leash dogs supposedly searching along the pathway, and declared the area searched with no findings.............is that a group you want searching for a missing loved one? IMO, TES spent more time PLANNING a search in a similar wooded area.
jmho

[happygert]

Hmmmm. Remember Cindy Anthony told about her and Lee sneaking out of the house and going to the nursing home, in the middle of the night, supposedly to tell her parents about the Casey/Caylee saga before they heard it on the news? Who's to say the two of them didn't take a little rest stop where Caylees remains were, to further hide or cover them up, at Caseys request? Maybe stopping by to look to see if Casey had truly dumped her child there, cos Casey told them she did. Then on to the nursing home.
Because they did leave their home undetected that night, and they did have a wee-hours-of-the-morning visit with the parents of Cindy at the nursing home, per NH staff. I read it somewhere and no don't have a link, don't do links on holidays LOL so call it JMO.

They are either in it up to their eyeballs or they had nothing to do with it at all. I just can't beleive in anything in between.


abbie


I've often wondered if this was a dry run. To see if they could get out of the house without being seen while the media was all over out front. Cindy said she Called Lee to come and get her.
Have a few questions thou. How did they leave and no one saw them. Garage and driveway is in front of the house. If they go out the other door gate is on side. How did they get out of either one of those door and no one saw them?.. Where did Cindy get into Lee's car at? Where was Lee's car parked? Did Lee pull where fence is and Cindy get in car there? Did Cindy walked down the path where Caylee was found? How did they get out of that house with NO ONE seeing them? Just how did they get by the media? Coming out of either one of those doors you'd think someone would have surely saw them

[Abbie]

I can't see Casey tromping very far back into the palmeto grove/swamp to dispose of her package either, so things actually make perfect sense--- (that part at least).

I betcha she went to the edge where the grass stopped and the thick foliage began and threw that bag containing Caylees body as far and as hard as she could. I just don't see Casey tenderly lying the bag down on the soft earth while a single tear spills down her cheek, if you know what I mean.


abbie

[Abbie]

I've often wondered if this was a dry run. To see if they could get out of the house without being seen while the media was all over out front. Cindy said she Called Lee to come and get her.
Have a few questions thou. How did they leave and no one saw them. Garage and driveway is in front of the house. If they go out the other door gate is on side. How did they get out of either one of those door and no one saw them?.. Where did Cindy get into Lee's car at? Where was Lee's car parked? Did Lee pull where fence is and Cindy get in car there? Did Cindy walked down the path where Caylee was found? How did they get out of that house with NO ONE seeing them? Just how did they get by the media?

They didn't have police surrounding the house, and the media wasn't "surrounding it" either- their biggest bug-a-boo in those days were the protesters and the news trucks and reporters. Maybe Cindy slipped out the gate, in the darkness, and into the next door neighbors yard, across a few more yards, to the pick-up point where Lee picks Cindy up.
JMO :confused:

abbie

[happygert]

They didn't have police surrounding the house, and the media wasn't "surrounding it" either- their biggest bug-a-boo in those days were the protesters and the news trucks and reporters. Maybe Cindy slipped out the gate, in the darkness, and into the next door neighbors yard, across a few more yards, to the pick-up point where Lee picks Cindy up.
JMO :confused:

abbie

The way Cindy talked media was all over out front.. Could be but I just can't see Cindy taking the chance if there was protesters out there ,Her being seen leaving the house. Especially walking thru neighbors yards.
I didn't say LE or Media was surronding the house. I said in front of house. Thats Why i'm thinking she left through the back of house.

[suzanne]

Yep. Can't help but wonder if there is "more" to the story. The fight that we've heard about re: yelling, threats, etc. probably happened more often than just that one incident. Did something else come up that day that they are afraid of? (and no, I don't think they had anything to do with the death of Caylee)

I don't think they had anything to do with her death either.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Casey Anthony's Brother Now Facing Charges

When the case began, Lee told his sister Casey during a jail visit that he would be conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee. Lee said he was looking into leads and begged Casey to write him a letter with information so he could move forward with his investigation.

The Anthonys never spoke about Lee's investigation or any of his findings.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7195

[PuffDragon]

Plus, add the time Cindy and Casey spent in the car while driving Amy home, and the time from then to the police station....

Cindy A must have great, great restraint. I am pretty sure I that it would have been more than enough time elapsing for me to have choked my lying child until they told me the truth about where my grandchild was...
wonder what stopped her?


abbie

According to "The Mother of the Year" they never used physical punishment on Caylee, if she needed to be disciplined they just sat her down and 'talked to her'. Casey said she learned her mothering skills (gag!) from her own wonderful mother.

[Mimi428]

IMO, the ONLY value the video offers is better understanding the appearance of the area during the summer and water conditions if the dates can be verified.

jmho

<snipped>

I think you bring up a very valid point regarding the appearance & water conditions. I don't believe the conditions we saw there are unusual at all in that general area. The sad truth is that there really is a limit to how much thorough searching can be done in dangerous areas & under conditions that pose a significant risk.

As much as anyone might personally want to take part in a search for a missing person, as soon as you get to the part where you are up to your hips, if not your armpits in foliage so thick you cannot see where you will be stepping - then add water known to be knee-deep & probably deeper in some areas - PLUS add in the factor of poisonous snakes, etc - you have a situation that is too inherently dangerous to allow a thorough search. At some point the risks become too great to proceed further.

JMO

[margaritaville]

The police have not said everything that was found in the car. I believe the Anthony's got a lot of things out of the car before LE arrived. LE have not disclosed everything that was found at the crime scene. We know a book and reported a dress and a bathing suit. I am thinking with the reported statement thatCasey made, LE has not found her clothes yet, I think a lot of items were dumped where her remains were found.


I bet she just put them in a trash bag and threw them in the dumpster.
Why throw them with the body and she could just put them in the trash can? IMO
The reason i think that is why did she keep the carseat and baby doll in the car and not toss them into the woods too?

[SandyO]

Casey Anthony's Brother Now Facing Charges

When the case began, Lee told his sister Casey during a jail visit that he would be conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee. Lee said he was looking into leads and begged Casey to write him a letter with information so he could move forward with his investigation.

The Anthonys never spoke about Lee's investigation or any of his findings.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7195

And in one of Casey's jailhouse conversations with her parents she states Lee is investigating some things for her. Never heard more about that, either. I do not believe any other family member had anything to do with Caylee's death ----that evil act was Casey's alone --- but I do think the family has continued to do all they can to cover for Casey since then, with the possible exception of George's interviews with LE. Now I am wondering what their stance is NOW.

[PuffDragon]

Oh I agree that Lee wiped out the computer but I am thinking she was trying to connect with ToneE to do it and that's why she was so desperate to get his number and when he wouldn't talk to her, she then went to Lee.

She had plenty of time to tell Lee to go over there and wipe it clean, which is evidently what he did, she didn't need to tell TonE to do it a day later. I think she wanted to get hold of TonE to tell him not to talk to anybody. Because she probably still thought that getting arrested was a temporary thing ( having been put in jail "on a whim") and she was trying to do preemptive damage control for when she got back out. MO

[SandyO]

I bet she just put them in a trash bag and threw them in the dumpster.
Why throw them with the body and she could just put them in the trash can? IMO
The reason i think that is why did she keep the carseat and baby doll in the car and not toss them into the woods too?

It sounds like it was a hurried disposal to me --- she wasn't thinking things through, which seems to be typical of Casey.

[5boxersmom]

The way Cindy talked media was all over out front.. Could be but I just can't see Cindy taking the chance if there was protesters out there ,Her being seen leaving the house. Especially walking thru neighbors yards.
I didn't say LE or Media was surronding the house. I said in front of house. Thats Why i'm thinking she left through the back of house.

The protesters were not there at this time. They did not come until Lenny bailed Casey out.

[desmom]

It sounds like it was a hurried disposal to me --- she wasn't thinking things through, which seems to be typical of Casey.

I think Casey functions with an outta sight/outta mind mentality. jmo

[Mimi428]

Casey Anthony's Brother Now Facing Charges

When the case began, Lee told his sister Casey during a jail visit that he would be conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee. Lee said he was looking into leads and begged Casey to write him a letter with information so he could move forward with his investigation.

The Anthonys never spoke about Lee's investigation or any of his findings.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7195


ARGH! What a total crock of a story. The headline intimates that charges have been filed. The body of the article backs off & skates around it - he 'COULD' be charged.

(not fussing at you at all, I just hate that sort of sensationalist & deliberate mis-direction we seem to get more & more of in stories like this)

[joolz]

This has probably been covered dozens of times, but for some reason I am drawing a blank:

How do we know that the fight between Cindy and Casey was about Casey stealing from her GP's? And how do we know Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat? Is this in the docs anywhere?

[Cury-us Coyote]

And in one of Casey's jailhouse conversations with her parents she states Lee is investigating some things for her. Never heard more about that, either. I do not believe any other family member had anything to do with Caylee's death ----that evil act was Casey's alone --- but I do think the family has continued to do all they can to cover for Casey since then, with the possible exception of George's interviews with LE. Now I am wondering what their stance is NOW.

Reportedly the A's have moved past one hurdle and removed the large missing person's sign from their front door, IMO.

Casey Anthony case: WESH asks, Is there a copycat?
Yes, Friday was a slow day in the Casey Anthony story. WESH noted that the Anthonys had removed the search-for-Cayle poster from their front door but made no no funeral announcement. And the possible copycat?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/casey-anthony-5.html

[PuffDragon]

ARGH! What a total crock of a story. The headline intimates that charges have been filed. The body of the article backs off & skates around it - he 'COULD' be charged.

(not fussing at you at all, I just hate that sort of sensationalist & deliberate mis-direction we seem to get more & more of in stories like this)

We're at a slow point, what with the holidays and the main issue ("Where is Caylee?") resolved. They have to do something to get people reading their papers so they tease us...... :mad:

[PuffDragon]

This has probably been covered dozens of times, but for some reason I am drawing a blank:

How do we know that the fight between Cindy and Casey was about Casey stealing from her GP's? And how do we know Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat? Is this in the docs anywhere?

Yeah,that's something I've been questioning, too. The choking story came from LP. The argument story came from a neighbor, but he wasn't specific about the day, he said "that weekend" and the reason for the argument - Casey's stealing - was surmised. I didn't see anything in the docs about it either.

[joolz]

Yeah,that's something I've been questioning, too. The choking story came from LP. The argument story came from a neighbor, but he wasn't specific about the day, he said "that weekend" and the reason for the argument - Casey's stealing - was surmised. I didn't see anything in the docs about it either.


Thanks Puff. Seems like we have all just been doing a lot of assuming about that incident. I believe the neighbor, but IMO, LP is a questionable source of information.

[happygert]

The protesters were not there at this time. They did not come until Lenny bailed Casey out.

The night they were supposed to have snuck out was the night casey was arrested.. Cindy said she wanted to tell her parents before they saw it on the TV. So the media was the ones out front? I don't know anymore too much crap.......lol......All I remember is Cindy telling that they snuck out at 4 am and the media didnt see them....

[Anakerie]

Didn't they sneek out the back? And Cindy was so proud of that fact. I wonder how many times Casey went to where Caylee was.
No telling how many times Casey went there before she was arrested. But she couldn't have gone once she'd been arrested and then bailed out. I doubt she could have gotten very far from the house with that bracelet on her ankle.. Didn't she have to stay very close to the phone in the house so that it wouldn't sound an alarm?

[joolz]

Joolz, I saw your name and I had to drop in and say HAPPY HOLIDAY MY SWEET DEAR FRIEND.
ITA about Lenny, he went from choking on candy, to falling off the balcony, to drowning, to being sold. Though he has been right a times, I want to know what Lee has told him

Back atcha' darlin! Happy, Happy, Happy 2009!

Lenny is maddening in that way - he's been right, he's been wrong, he's been a good source and a lousy one. Everytime I find myself softening up a little to him, he does something to make me think he is just a publicity pig. I guess the word I'm looking for is "ambivalent!" :biggrin:

[happygert]

Didn't they sneek out the back? And Cindy was so proud of that fact. I wonder how many times Casey went to where Caylee was.

Thats what i thought but I don't know . Just was wondering how they got out without media seeing them. If they went thru garage or the side where gate is someone surely would have saw them.. But I don't know .

[5boxersmom]

The night they were supposed to have snuck out was the night casey was arrested.. Cindy said she wanted to tell her parents before they saw it on the TV. So the media was the ones out front? I don't know anymore too much crap.......lol......All I remember is Cindy telling that they snuck out at 4 am and the media didnt see them....

Was the media camped out there that fast? I can't remember either.

[jammies]

Thats what i thought but I don't know . Just was wondering how they got out without media seeing them. If they went thru garage or the side where gate is someone surely would have saw them.. But I don't know .


What was so important at that moment for them to run to the ggp's? If it's true, I think they were doing damage control.

[Jeepers]

Didn't they sneek out the back? And Cindy was so proud of that fact. I wonder how many times Casey went to where Caylee was.

She had the ankle monitor on when she was bailed out so she could not leave the house undetected. I wonder if they drove that way to go to Jose's office not up to the school but past the area.
I bet she thought she was such a genius. I bet she did need a sedative when she found out Caylee was found. Not for finding Caylee so much as she was found out.

[sunstar]

I think Casey functions with an outta sight/outta mind mentality. jmo

I agree with you. She'd gotten rid of her problem and was free to do what she wanted with no turning back. MOO

[sunstar]

No telling how many times Casey went there before she was arrested. But she couldn't have gone once she'd been arrested and then bailed out. I doubt she could have gotten very far from the house with that bracelet on her ankle.. Didn't she have to stay very close to the phone in the house so that it wouldn't sound an alarm?

As I remember she could only go so many feet from the base unit inside the house. So like maybe out to the backyard but that would be it ~ except when she was allowed to go to Baez's office and whatnot. MOO

[happygert]

Was the media camped out there that fast? I can't remember either.

I don't know for sure. I was just going on Cindys statement about the media being out there when they snuck out at 4 am. So many twists and turns in this case it makes you dizzy.....lol I was thinking they were cause it was on a night when casey was arrested.

[happygert]

What was so important at that moment for them to run to the ggp's? If it's true, I think they were doing damage control.

I don't know.. But I'm sure a phone call to Shirley would have worked. "Hey Mom just wanted to let you know casey was arrested dont turn tv on in dads room". That would have worked for me.

[5boxersmom]

She had the ankle monitor on when she was bailed out so she could not leave the house undetected. I wonder if they drove that way to go to Jose's office not up to the school but past the area.
I bet she thought she was such a genius. I bet she did need a sedative when she found out Caylee was found. Not for finding Caylee so much as she was found out.

If you remember when Lee almost hit the kids that were with the protesters they came from that way. But when Baez picked her up they went out the other way.

hmmmm

[Anakerie]

I don't know for sure. I was just going on Cindys statement about the media being out there when they snuck out at 4 am. So many twists and turns in this case it makes you dizzy.....lol I was thinking they were cause it was on a night when casey was arrested.
I honestly don't remember hearing about the case the very first night when she was arrested. It seemed to hit the headlines the following day. But then, I don't live in Orlando, so I have no clue when the media trucks showed up at the front of the Anthony's house...

[5boxersmom]

I don't know for sure. I was just going on Cindys statement about the media being out there when they snuck out at 4 am. So many twists and turns in this case it makes you dizzy.....lol I was thinking they were cause it was on a night when casey was arrested.

I guess the media was there that early after I got to thinking about it. We saw them searching the backyard and towing the car. But did the media stay overnight?

[happygert]

I guess the media was there that early after I got to thinking about it. We saw them searching the backyard and towing the car. But did the media stay overnight?

I don't know 5Boxersmom so many times they've been there starting to run together for me.

[Anakerie]

I guess the media was there that early after I got to thinking about it. We saw them searching the backyard and towing the car. But did the media stay overnight?
I think Casey had already been arrested by the time the dogs and the searches showed up. Didn't her first arrest take place in the wee hours?

I think this case has given me a bad case of CRS... **sigh**

[Adalena935]

I read Lee's interview with LE from last August. It was quite the eye-opener. The kidnap story is Cindy's. Lee said he'd never forget the first words out of Cindy's mouth What have you done? What have you done? Later Cindy prompted Casey with Who took her? Who took her? After Cindy prompted her with the inception THEN Casey took Cindy's prompt and replied ummmmmm....the nanny did the nanny took her mom

At that point, Casey haden't said a word about anybody taking anyone.
But Cindy did. Lee said there was always bad blood between the two women. That Cindy threw Casey's mistake (the baby) in her face incessently. Lee asked Casey Why? and Casey said Because I'm a spiteful *****.

It seems the family behaves like a school of fish, taking Cindy's lead. From the interview it's between the lines (and LE knows it) that Lee was told to rush to the apt and grab credit cards and money (Cindy's main focus) and destroy evidence. LE knows he wiped the computer of evidence (for lack of better terms) and hid, destroyed or otherwise impeded the investigation in effort to protect Casey from prosecution.

By the end of the interview investigators ask Lee if he wants to raise his right hand and swear all he's said is true. He declines. I don't think his lawyer is pretending he might be charged. I don't think media is having a slow news day. Because in that August '08 interview it's apparent police know he's lying.

Obstruction might have to do with missing bundle of receipts, laptop virus, deleted emails, swapped-out sim card, and how did you know Casey’s car ran out of gas at Amscot on the 27th?

Is there anything right now that you want to add to your statement so far or questions you have of me , or things that you think I need to be bringing to someone’s attention that may have been overlooked such as a bundle of receipts? asks law enforcement.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

I can't wait to read some of the other interviews with Cindy & George.
I never quite bought into the we haven't seen our dtr in 31 days
I seriously question the source; George, Cindy, Lee and Casey.
LE knows they're all in up to their necks. Too many lies from that crew.

Public documents from the documents thread.

[really3997]

I don't know for sure. I was just going on Cindys statement about the media being out there when they snuck out at 4 am. So many twists and turns in this case it makes you dizzy.....lol I was thinking they were cause it was on a night when casey was arrested.


I am not sure if the media was there 24/7 at that point however since the news does not start until 5:00 am maybe they left prior to the media setting up. JMO

[neid_77]

Thanks Puff. Seems like we have all just been doing a lot of assuming about that incident. I believe the neighbor, but IMO, LP is a questionable source of information.

lee talked about it to not sure if he mentioned anything about the choking though

[kaelieanne]

I don't know for sure. I was just going on Cindys statement about the media being out there when they snuck out at 4 am. So many twists and turns in this case it makes you dizzy.....lol I was thinking they were cause it was on a night when casey was arrested.

Good morning all! I have been obsessed with this case from the get-go, and this is the first time I've heard of this! Is this for real? Does anyone have a link to what CA said about this?

[playnice]

lee talked about it to not sure if he mentioned anything about the choking though

i thought I heard Lenny say once on NG that Lee told Rev Grund.

[jammies]

lee talked about it to not sure if he mentioned anything about the choking though



Lee was the one who brought up the choking incident. I also take THAT with a grain of salt as it probably came from Casey. (although I wouldn't blame Cindy if true)

[sunstar]

Reportedly the A's have moved past one hurdle and removed the large missing person's sign from their front door, IMO.

Casey Anthony case: WESH asks, Is there a copycat?
Yes, Friday was a slow day in the Casey Anthony story. WESH noted that the Anthonys had removed the search-for-Cayle poster from their front door but made no no funeral announcement. And the possible copycat?
http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/casey-anthony-5.html

That's one small step forward. MOO

[neid_77]

nevermind my post it was the arguement they had the day cindy brang filthy casey home the one lee was talking about

[happygert]

Good morning all! I have been obsessed with this case from the get-go, and this is the first time I've heard of this! Is this for real? Does anyone have a link to what CA said about this?

Its in one of the FBI tapes....Taped interview there a lot of them not sure which one its in

[Adalena935]

Good morning all! I have been obsessed with this case from the get-go, and this is the first time I've heard of this! Is this for real? Does anyone have a link to what CA said about this?

I haven't read Cindy's interviews with law enforcement yet, but Lee talks about it in his interview with law enforcement. The link I just posted above. I got it from the case documents thread.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

[Abbie]

Yeah,that's something I've been questioning, too. The choking story came from LP. The argument story came from a neighbor, but he wasn't specific about the day, he said "that weekend" and the reason for the argument - Casey's stealing - was surmised. I didn't see anything in the docs about it either.

I thought the original source for the choking story was Lee- when he spoke to LE the first few days. I thought the neighbor came forward with the arguement being heard.

Casey refers to the day she last saw her daughter, in her taped jailhouse recordings with her parents, as "the morning OF..." (nothing else said)
I am just guessing but seems to me if my story was real and my child had been kidnapped and I was in jail talking to my folks about it, I would say "oh my god and the morning that Caylee was kidnapped..." etc. My be ominous about it by calling it the "day OF".????

abbie

[kaelieanne]

Its in one of the FBI tapes....Taped interview there a lot of them not sure which one its in

Wow. I read all the transcripts or at least I thought had, and don't remember seeing this. Just when you think you know it all... LOL.

[Adalena935]

I think it is possible they may charge Lee with obstruction (as his lawyer has suggested) in exchange for his testimony.

That happened with Scott Dyleski's Mother (who had destroyed evidence) in the murder trial of David Horowitz's wife.

[Abbie]

No telling how many times Casey went there before she was arrested. But she couldn't have gone once she'd been arrested and then bailed out. I doubt she could have gotten very far from the house with that bracelet on her ankle.. Didn't she have to stay very close to the phone in the house so that it wouldn't sound an alarm?

Within 150 feet.

[kaelieanne]

I haven't read Cindy's interviews with law enforcement yet, but Lee talks about it in his interview with law enforcement. The link I just posted above. I got it from the case documents thread.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf


Thanks for letting me know this. I'll have to reread his interview.

[playnice]

I think it is possible they may charge Lee with obstruction (as his lawyer has suggested) in exchange for his testimony.

That happened with Scott Dyleski's Mother (who had destroyed evidence) in the murder trial of David Horowitz's wife.

I believe one of the 3 A will be charged. All they need is one to roll on the others. I think it will be coming after the funeral.

[happygert]

Wow. I read all the transcripts or at least I thought had, and don't remember seeing this. Just when you think you know it all... LOL.

It was on video that I saw it. It was in one of the doc. dumps. from FBI interviews. Not the LE's there like 7 of them that was cindys

[Adalena935]

I thought the original source for the choking story was Lee- when he spoke to LE the first few days. I thought the neighbor came forward with the arguement being heard.

Casey refers to the day she last saw her daughter, in her taped jailhouse recordings with her parents, as "the morning OF..." (nothing else said)
I am just guessing but seems to me if my story was real and my child had been kidnapped and I was in jail talking to my folks about it, I would say "oh my god and the morning that Caylee was kidnapped..." etc. My be ominous about it by calling it the "day OF".????

abbie

The neighbor told Greta (on her show) there was arguements heard coming from the Anthony house often. The night of the 15th he said there was a particularly bad arguement. [my paraphrase] SOURCE: Greta Van Susteren's television show "On the Record" from early in the case. About three days out as I recall.

[sunstar]

I think it is possible they may charge Lee with obstruction (as his lawyer has suggested) in exchange for his testimony.

That happened with Scott Dyleski's Mother (who had destroyed evidence) in the murder trial of David Horowitz's wife.

That would make sense and guarantee he testifies to the truth. MOO

[Mamie]

The night they were supposed to have snuck out was the night casey was arrested.. Cindy said she wanted to tell her parents before they saw it on the TV. So the media was the ones out front? I don't know anymore too much crap.......lol......All I remember is Cindy telling that they snuck out at 4 am and the media didnt see them....


I remember hearing something about that too, gert, the sneaking out at 4 AM so that the media didn't catch them. Like you, I've gone through too much crappe' in this to remember fine points but I do remember the 4 o'clock in the morning deal to tell the folks so they didn't hear about it on tv. JMO

[Adalena935]

I believe one of the 3 A will be charged. All they need is one to roll on the others. I think it will be coming after the funeral.

I don't know. That's possible. Law enforcement sure needs to get to the bottom of what happened. The lies need to be halted. Justice is supposed to be about the truth or as close as is possible to find.

I thought it was surprising Lee's lawyer offered that statement to the media that Lee may be charged with obstruction. I don't think it was because he had nothing better to do that day/eve/whatever. Maybe LE is waiting until after the services.

A crying shame that poor little baby got caught as the victim in that den of iniquity.

[Adalena935]

That would make sense and guarantee he testifies to the truth. MOO

I recall Dyleski's Mother had no stomach for years behind bars. I'm sure it was difficult to testify against her son, but oh my I can't find words to describe people helping to hide murder and/or protect murderers. For what? So they can run amock to murder on society again at will?

[Carol25]

By the end of the interview investigators ask Lee if he wants to raise his right hand and swear all he's said is true. He declines. I don't think his lawyer is pretending he might be charged. I don't think media is having a slow news day. Because in that August '08 interview it's apparent police know he's lying.

Respectfully snipped)


Public documents from the documents thread.

Perhaps you wrote this post incorrectly, but I went back on the link, and Lee does swear that his answers were true. What he declined to was say any more information about the receipts.

[sunstar]

I recall Dyleski's Mother had no stomach for years behind bars. I'm sure it was difficult to testify against her son, but oh my I can't find words to describe people helping to hide murder and/or protect murderers. For what? So they can run amock to murder on society again at will?

I'd forgotten about her doing that until you mentioned it ~ and it's a good comparison to Cindy washing Casey's pants and cleaning out the car. I still wonder if that knife had any significance, before she washed that too. :mad: MOO

[nc1948]

When you click on the crime scene photos link in the link above posted by ellegna, you can see a pic of the blue tent and palm fronds all in front and around it.

It just makes me remember Leonard Padillas saying- more than once- that her body wold be found beneath/ among palm fronds. Looks like he was right.

Or, is it a lucky guess? Are there enough palm fronds down there that her being found near one is a no-brainer, I wonder?

abbie


In Forida it would be kind of like saying she will be found near water.

[Adalena935]

If the Anthony's didn't want the great-grandparents to hear of the missing child from tv news, all they had to do was tell them not to turn on their tv until they got there.

I don't believe they woke old folks at 4:00a.m. worried they had their tv on at that hour. I don't believe them. They're admitted inconsistency reciters.

[Anakerie]

I'd forgotten about her doing that until you mentioned it ~ and it's a good comparison to Cindy washing Casey's pants and cleaning out the car. I still wonder if that knife had any significance, before she washed that too. :mad: MOO
Perhaps Casey used the knife for the duct tape? After all, she wouldn't want to mess up her nails, right? :rolleyes:

[sunstar]

Perhaps Casey used the knife for the duct tape? After all, she wouldn't want to mess up her nails, right? :rolleyes:

I was thinking that too ~ there could've been some evidence on it from the duct tape. LE would be able to tell though if the tape had been cut or torn off the roll. MOO

[nc1948]

I agree a plan was devised after Cindy's 9-1-1 call. Lee stated in his interview Casey broke down and cried. She confessed to Lee Casey was kidnapped BUT did Casey really confess to Lee Caylee was dead????
The police are now on their way so they concocted the June 9th, I dropped Caylee off at Sawgrass story. George is sent away because he was considered the weak link.

Lee - Once my mother went outside to clear her head I acknowledged to Casey that mom’s outside and she can’t hear us. Casey began to break down and told me she doesn’t know where Caylee is and she hadn’t seen her in 31 days since she dropped her off to her nanny zenaida Fernandez-Gonzalez.
Casey - On Monday, June 9, 2008 between 9am and 1 pm, I, Casey Anthony, took my daughter, Caylee Marie Anthony, to her nanny’s apartment.
Cindy - I last saw my granddaughter Sun June 8th. Casey for the last month has told me that Caylee has been with her She refused to let me speak with her because she said I would upset her.
George - AS TO THIS STATEMENT, MY GRANDDAUGHTER- CAYLEE MARIE ANTHONY, AGE 3 HAS BEEN MISSING. WHAT I MEAN, I HAVE NOT SEEN HER OR HEARD HER VOICE SINCE JUNE 9, 2008.


When the Father's day video surfaced IMO, the A's went to plan B.
George concocts this story about watching his favorite cooking. Casey and Caylee are leaving precisely at 12:50 and provides explicit detail what they both were wearing. Not bad recollection for a guy who couldn't get the right date the first time.

I have no doubt the entire family knew as of July 16th what really happened to Caylee and immediately went into cover up mode.

Everything you say here is correct-except. George did not say cooking show, he started by saying I was watching the news-Cindy altho she was not there corrected him to say he was watching the cooking show. Guess he forgot the script a second. But not to worry, Cindy remembered.

[suzanne]

Do you have a link to Cindy's taped interviews with the police?

[Adalena935]

I'd forgotten about her doing that until you mentioned it ~ and it's a good comparison to Cindy washing Casey's pants and cleaning out the car. I still wonder if that knife had any significance, before she washed that too. :mad: MOO

I don't recall the details, wasn't able to follow the trial. But I do remember LE arresting her & charging her with obstruction and some other things I can't now recall. That incident happened very early in the investigation and I remember how quickly she agreed to testify against her son in exchange for immunity.

It'll be interesting to see what these folks decide.

[kitty1182]

If the Anthony's didn't want the great-grandparents to hear of the missing child from tv news, all they had to do was tell them not to turn on their tv until they got there.

I don't believe they woke old folks at 4:00a.m. worried they had their tv on at that hour. I don't believe them. They're admitted inconsistency reciters.



Around here the nursing home doors are locked after a certain hr.Something like 9 or 10pm..

[Adalena935]

Do you have a link to Cindy's taped interviews with the police?

In the regular forum for this case they're all in the document dump thread.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346658

STICKY: Official Public Documents, Audio, Video, etc.

[trich]

Oh I agree that Lee wiped out the computer but I am thinking she was trying to connect with ToneE to do it and that's why she was so desperate to get his number and when he wouldn't talk to her, she then went to Lee.


She was already in jail when she asked for TonE's phone number I believe.
I think Lee whipped out the laptop right after Cindy brought Casey home when he went to TonE's that night.
He did that before he even brought her stuff including laptop back to the house.
I bet TonE can testify to Lee being on her laptop before he left his apartment.
Guess time will tell.

[suzanne]

In the regular forum for this case they're all in the document dump thread.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=346658

STICKY: Official Public Documents, Audio, Video, etc.

Ok,Thank you.

[Carol25]

Perhaps Casey used the knife for the duct tape? After all, she wouldn't want to mess up her nails, right? :rolleyes:
Good thought. It would also be interesting if they found trunk carpet fibers on the sides of the duct tape from the home.

[Anakerie]

Where did she tell Lee he would find the number? I can't remember if it were to specifically look for the number somewhere- I also don't have that conversation link in front of me.
Her phone?

[Adalena935]

Around here the nursing home doors are locked after a certain hr.Something like 9 or 10pm..

Surely not with a Nobody in or out stance?

[Abbie]

I was thinking that too ~ there could've been some evidence on it from the duct tape. LE would be able to tell though if the tape had been cut or torn off the roll. MOO

You would think, if ever a skin cell were to come off of you onto something else it would be onto DUCT TAPE, first of all definately if you RIPPED it from the roll, but even if you CUT it off with something else, your fingerprints are still going to get on the sticky side of the tape, unless you were wearing gloves, no matter what. I don't see Casey having rubber gloves on, but hey, anythings possible.

abbie

[sunstar]

I don't recall the details, wasn't able to follow the trial. But I do remember LE arresting her & charging her with obstruction and some other things I can't now recall. That incident happened very early in the investigation and I remember how quickly she agreed to testify against her son in exchange for immunity.

It'll be interesting to see what these folks decide.

I somewhat followed that case and remember her being charged for burning up potential evidence. I guess sometimes there's no limit to what some will do to cover up for another family member. MOO

[kitty1182]

Surely not with a Nobody in or out stance?

:confused:

............

[Adalena935]

I am wondering why it was important enough to correct him- which difference did it make if it was a cooking show or a news show- unless something on the news that day is important. IMO

What show a person is watching in the whole picture of a crime investigation can be very important. It sets a timeline for a specific event.

It was on Greta's show. Greta was interviewing the Anthony's. George was trying to talk to Greta & answer Greta's questions posed to him and Cindy talked over the top of them. George said he liked to watch a favorite cooking show before heading out to work. But, Cindy interjected before George could get the sentence finished.

I haven't read his interviews with law enforcement yet. Heaven only knows how the story changes at any given time.

[sunstar]

I am wondering why it was important enough to correct him- which difference did it make if it was a cooking show or a news show- unless something on the news that day is important. IMO

Maybe because it was the wrong day or time of day he was talking about? For example, maybe he really was watching the news which would be on at a different time of day ~ but he's trying to say he last saw C/C at almost 1pm? I never found his story credible because not that many people remember exactly what somebody was wearing over a month later on what would be just another day. MOO

[Abbie]

Surely not with a Nobody in or out stance?

I have posted this before somewhere, IMO yes the doors would be locked. Its for the safety of those inside @ night. Also a smaller staff.
Any unusual requests to be let in the building at an off hour, such as 4am especially, would have been brought to the attention of the charge nurse or the nurse in charge 11-7 shift. That charge nurse will remember for LE if she did or did not let them in. Not only that, in every building where I have been in charge you also have to keep a log and something like that would be for sure entered into the log. Its for CYA purposes, for starters. :)
abbie

and edited to add, now that I think about it, not only would the manager on duty or the nurse in charge have noted that she let the Anthony peeps in at 4am to see their parents due to family emergency, that info would have ALSO been passed onto the day shift staff in morning report FIRST THING. Things like this affect elderly people in different ways, and if the staff is made aware something is going on, they will handle that accordingly. And no, this information would not be protected medical info (for example under HIPAA) that the police would not be able to get out of a person in charge.

[Adalena935]

:confused:

............

You said the doors are locked at nite. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

[nc1948]

Yes according to Lee she was there. But are we in dispute that Caylee was last seen Father's day? the 31 days has always bothered me, I would have said a month or 4 weeks, or FATHER"S DAY

Yes the 31 days is typical of the House of Anthony. Anyone else would have said Fathers day or about a month or give a date. Just like Cindy instead of saying my daughter is a good Mother and I can't see her hurting Caylee , Cindy says "when you know the truth you will vote her Mother of the Year" Everything is exaggerated with them. Absolutely, red flag.

[kitty1182]

I have posted this before somewhere, IMO yes the doors would be locked. Its for the safety of those inside @ night. Also a smaller staff.
Any unusual requests to be let in the building at an off hour, such as 4am especially, would have been brought to the attention of the charge nurse or the nurse in charge 11-7 shift. That charge nurse will remember for LE if she did or did not let them in. Not only that, in every building where I have been in charge you also have to keep a log and something like that would be for sure entered into the log. Its for CYA purposes, for starters. :)
abbie

Hubby has a uncle in one and their doors are locked at a certain time..Like you sad. it's for safety..Yes, someone would know if anyone came their at 4am..

[kitty1182]

You said the doors are locked at nite. I'm not sure what point you're trying to make.

If doors are locked at say, 9pm, how does anyone get in at 4am..?
Someone would have to unlock door to let them in at that hour..So if LA was there at 4am, someone would know..

[Dunlurken]

Guess he forgot the script a second. But not to worry, Cindy remembered.


snipping to address: Interesting choice of words. Even Casey herself said she was given a scipt. hummmmm. JMO.

[sunstar]

If doors are locked at say, 9pm, how does anyone get in at 4am..?
Someone would have to unlock door to let them in at that hour..So if LA was there at 4am, someone would know..

Most definitely ~ that's way past normal visiting hours. MOO

[coffee1950j]

Hmmmm. Remember Cindy Anthony told about her and Lee sneaking out of the house and going to the nursing home, in the middle of the night, supposedly to tell her parents about the Casey/Caylee saga before they heard it on the news? Who's to say the two of them didn't take a little rest stop where Caylees remains were, to further hide or cover them up, at Caseys request?


snipped for length (trying to catch up on my reading but had to say this)

First off, I am NOT an Anthony lover, by any means. BUT, I don't think there is ANY way that Cindy, no matter what, would have left Caylee's remains in the woods.

IMO, she really, truly did love Caylee and could NEVER have left her to the animals and elements that way.

[nc1948]

Good morning all! I have been obsessed with this case from the get-go, and this is the first time I've heard of this! Is this for real? Does anyone have a link to what CA said about this?

No link, but I too remember her bragging about this. I was ' you did what, and now you are telling news and LE" DUH

[joolz]

I think it is possible they may charge Lee with obstruction (as his lawyer has suggested) in exchange for his testimony.

That happened with Scott Dyleski's Mother (who had destroyed evidence) in the murder trial of David Horowitz's wife.


OT, but did you know that Dyleski's mother now claims her son was framed?

[jammies]

For me, the entire Anthony family have ZERO credibility.

I don't believe anything that they say AT ALL.

Period. End of story.


Imagine LE trying to sift through their web? No wonder Rick wants nothing to do with them.

[Dunlurken]

snipped for length (trying to catch up on my reading but had to say this)

First off, I am NOT an Anthony lover, by any means. BUT, I don't think there is ANY way that Cindy, no matter what, would have left Caylee's remains in the woods.

IMO, she really, truly did love Caylee and could NEVER have left her to the animals and elements that way.

Cindy didn't know Caylee's remains were in the woods. Now, George or Lee, I don't know. Still holding judgment on Casey.

[nc1948]

I am wondering why it was important enough to correct him- which difference did it make if it was a cooking show or a news show- unless something on the news that day is important. IMO


I think it was strickly because this is the script that Cindy wrote and no one was to adlib.

[Abbie]

Hubby has a uncle in one and their doors are locked at a certain time..Like you sad. it's for safety..Yes, someone would know if anyone came their at 4am..

I have worked in them and with them for over 20 years. I had to put my Dad in a nursing home which was a little weird because now I was seeing nursing home life through the other side of the glass. Anyway one night he and I went out to eat and we came back and just sort of chilled in his room, watching Tv and talking, and before I knew it it was 10:00pm! I had heard the 'visiting hours are over at 8pm' announcement, but it went in one ear and out another, its an announcement I had heard many times when I was working in a NH so I kind of ignored it subconsciously. When I went to leave at 10pm, all the doors were locked and I needed a code to get out. I had to go find someone to let me out.
The nurse in charge ended up having to walk down a l o n g hallway to put in her code and let me out.

[jammies]

Was that his guess before or after the dive at Blanchard Park?



LOL LP has no more info that we have. He's a paid performer throwing balls up in the air hoping to get lucky and catch one.

[Adalena935]

Perhaps you wrote this post incorrectly, but I went back on the link, and Lee does swear that his answers were true. What he declined to was say any more information about the receipts.

How could I have written it wrong if I posted the link for you to read for yourself? Yes you're exactly right in thinking my posts are my paraphrase + the URL so you can read for yourself.

If Lee swore to everything EXCEPT - then he didn't swear to the whole truth. I took the same thing you did from it. That's why I gave you the link.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

Page 68, (beginning at) Line #22

EE: Right now you’re good?
LA: Not at this moment. Not at this moment.

Right there Lee does NOT agree to the whole truth.

The cop asks him if he wants to leave it open-ended (communication) and Lee Anthony replies PERFECT!

ie; he agrees to leave that open ended.

READ Page 69, (beginning at) Line #11

cop desctibes interview's - plural Lee swears to #3, not to #2

[Dunlurken]

LOL LP has no more info that we have. He's a paid performer throwing balls up in the air hoping to get lucky and catch one.

I always love it when he says.... "here's what happened". LOL. :tongue:

[kitty1182]

I have worked in them and with them for over 20 years. I had to put my Dad in a nursing home which was a little weird because now I was seeing nursing home life through the other side of the glass. Anyway one night he and I went out to eat and we came back and just sort of chilled in his room, watching Tv and talking, and before I knew it it was 10:00pm! I had heard the 'visiting hours are over at 8pm' announcement, but it went in one ear and out another, its an announcement I had heard many times when I was working in a NH so I kind of ignored it subconsciously. When I went to leave at 10pm, all the doors were locked and I needed a code to get out. I had to go find someone to let me out.
The nurse in charge ended up having to walk down a l o n g hallway to put in her code and let me out.

The same with hospitals here..I think doors lock around 9pm..To get out, you have to go to the ER...
If LA went to that NH, someone who works there will know!!

[joolz]

I think I'm truly losing it, given that I have been following this case closely and this is my second "I don't know why I don't remember this" question of the day:

Has anyone ever given a theory as to why the Anthonys would have settled on June 9th as the date they all used until the Fathers Day video appeared?

[CANDYKISSES]

I am wondering why it was important enough to correct him- which difference did it make if it was a cooking show or a news show- unless something on the news that day is important. IMO


Personally...because I think the word SCRIPT will have a place close to top billing by the time we are in the trial phase of this case. REMEMBER, Casey always tells the truth when she lies or after she lies....:tongueside:

IMO we will find out about a script alright, but not until later and who may have authored such a SCRIPT for them to follow too. AGAIN, JMO.:blushing:

[Dunlurken]

I'm curious about the significance of the 4:00 a.m. visit to the nursing home. Who said they went there?

[frances1]

Most definitely ~ that's way past normal visiting hours. MOO

Probably more of Cindy's exaggeration. If she said 'middle of the night', it could have been 6 a.m. I don't think the staff would have agreed to wake up an old man in the 'middle of the night' to give him bad news.

[Dunlurken]

I think I'm truly losing it, given that I have been following this case closely and this is my second "I don't know why I don't remember this" question of the day:

Has anyone ever given a theory as to why the Anthonys would have settled on June 9th as the date they all used until the Fathers Day video appeared?

Because Casey's word is "gospel"? She said the last time she saw Caylee was June 9.... one week before Father's day.

[Adalena935]

gotta run. work. be back later.

[Abbie]

The same with hospitals here..I think doors lock around 9pm..To get out, you have to go to the ER...
If LA went to that NH, someone who works there will know!!

YUP! There's a record somewhere!!

When I returned to the workforce they had come up with the code system in most facilities to go on or out during any hour. In the facilities where the last door was locked all the time and the residents with all their marbles got a code to use to come and go, and so did each of the employees. (A keypad you enter your UPIN into) The facilities also used this as a handy was to covertly see on the computer read-out how many times an employee went out an exit door during their shift (as smokers generally do). Just look and see how often an employees door code was entered. Any smoker would jump out a side door for a puff or two on a really busy shift. Sneaky, sneaky! But more evidence that things are monitored!

abbie

[CANDYKISSES]

I think I'm truly losing it, given that I have been following this case closely and this is my second "I don't know why I don't remember this" question of the day:

Has anyone ever given a theory as to why the Anthonys would have settled on June 9th as the date they all used until the Fathers Day video appeared?


I think there are many theories and the most popular seems to be about the fight between Cindy and Casey where Cindy allegedly had her hands on Casey's neck. JMO THO.

I think it was actually the IT person working the photo files who brought it to Yuri the day Yuri and Cindy had their little dust-up about Yuri going to the nursing home to confirm the visit IIRC.

I believe it COULD HAVE BEEN an honest error, but it doesn't fit the personality we've seen in Cindy not to know anymore than the idea of Cindy never seeing Zannie and Zannie having a key to the house...:lol:

No, that one gets filed under BIZARRE in my PC. :thumbdown:

[joolz]

I'm glad you did say this, because otherwise I would have no one to agree with on this thread.

You must not have been reading very carefully because there are actually a lot of posters here who think Cindy loved Caylee and would never have left her body to rot in the woods.

[Nellie]

I read Lee's interview with LE from last August. It was quite the eye-opener. The kidnap story is Cindy's. Lee said he'd never forget the first words out of Cindy's mouth What have you done? What have you done? Later Cindy prompted Casey with Who took her? Who took her? After Cindy prompted her with the inception THEN Casey took Cindy's prompt and replied ummmmmm....the nanny did the nanny took her mom

At that point, Casey haden't said a word about anybody taking anyone.
But Cindy did. Lee said there was always bad blood between the two women. That Cindy threw Casey's mistake (the baby) in her face incessently. Lee asked Casey Why? and Casey said Because I'm a spiteful *****.

It seems the family behaves like a school of fish, taking Cindy's lead. From the interview it's between the lines (and LE knows it) that Lee was told to rush to the apt and grab credit cards and money (Cindy's main focus) and destroy evidence. LE knows he wiped the computer of evidence (for lack of better terms) and hid, destroyed or otherwise impeded the investigation in effort to protect Casey from prosecution.

By the end of the interview investigators ask Lee if he wants to raise his right hand and swear all he's said is true. He declines. I don't think his lawyer is pretending he might be charged. I don't think media is having a slow news day. Because in that August '08 interview it's apparent police know he's lying.

Obstruction might have to do with missing bundle of receipts, laptop virus, deleted emails, swapped-out sim card, and how did you know Casey’s car ran out of gas at Amscot on the 27th?

Is there anything right now that you want to add to your statement so far or questions you have of me , or things that you think I need to be bringing to someone’s attention that may have been overlooked such as a bundle of receipts? asks law enforcement.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

I can't wait to read some of the other interviews with Cindy & George.
I never quite bought into the we haven't seen our dtr in 31 days
I seriously question the source; George, Cindy, Lee and Casey.
LE knows they're all in up to their necks. Too many lies from that crew.

Public documents from the documents thread.

I just re-read Lee's statement and it was LEE who was the first one to say "who took her". It's in his statement. When his sister starts crying and says she hasn't seen Caylee for 31 days he says he asked her "Who took her" and that's when Casey says "she was kidnapped".
So, it appears that Lee planted that seed first......then she went with it.

[Dunlurken]

He stole that line from Monk. :thumbup:

Doesn't say a whole lot about his credibility then. LOL. I always listen to LP, but take most of what he says with a grain of salt.

Have we heard when the trial will be? I'm thinking summer.

[sunstar]

Because Casey's word is "gospel"? She said the last time she saw Caylee was June 9.... one week before Father's day.

If that erroneous date originally came from Casey why did she tell the 911 operator it had been "31 days"? Backward from 7/15, 31 days is not June 9. I think it might have been Cindy's "date". MOO

[desmom]

The neighbor told Greta (on her show) there was arguements heard coming from the Anthony house often. The night of the 15th he said there was a particularly bad arguement. [my paraphrase] SOURCE: Greta Van Susteren's television show "On the Record" from early in the case. About three days out as I recall.

August 11, 2008 http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

Mark Fuhrman: ......But I can tell you this. While I was still on the ground in Orlando, I talked to one of the immediate neighbors that is within earshot of the Anthony house, and he said that Casey Anthony had one hell of a temper. And he heard her swearing at her mother several times, so loud that he could hear it from his house, and that he would never talk to his parents that way. And he said even Father's Day weekend, that was going on. So whether that's true or not, it's something that he's observed and heard on repeated times. We'd never heard that before, and so that's interesting all unto itself.

Greta: Did the parents or the grandparents -- did they say anything to corroborate that, or Lee, or anyone say anything that would tend to corroborate the neighbor's statement?

Mark Fuhrman: No. Exactly the opposite. In fact, I asked Cindy Anthony and George if there was a fight that they had with Casey that weekend or any time close to the time when she took Caylee and left, and they absolutely said not. And that seems to be, you know, a direct conflict with a neighbor who on that weekend said that there was, you know, an argument.

[Barbara fl.]

Barbara - didn't she at one point take Casey to the "Sub-Station", and it was closed so she went home to call the police instead? And George had called Lee to get to the house, so he was waiting for them. George was at work and couldn't get away since it was his first night working for that company.


That probably makes more sense....And I think Cindy stated to George when he got there "we lost Caylee"...that is even odd to say....That sounds so final.....but it could have just been a figure of speach when one is upset...

But, if it were me, I would have never went back to the house before my daughter would have taken me to Caylee....Cindy had to have known something was wrong at that moment.....

[jammies]

I always love it when he says.... "here's what happened". LOL. :tongue:



lol cracks me up every time!

[kitty1182]

Didn't the great grand parents livin in "assisted living"? If that is the case, they typically have their own apartments, and free will to come and go as they please, the same for having company.

Grandma lives at home I think..From the looks of grandpa, he's not able to come and go as he pleases..

[PuffDragon]

You would think, if ever a skin cell were to come off of you onto something else it would be onto DUCT TAPE, first of all definately if you RIPPED it from the roll, but even if you CUT it off with something else, your fingerprints are still going to get on the sticky side of the tape, unless you were wearing gloves, no matter what. I don't see Casey having rubber gloves on, but hey, anythings possible.

abbie

Chances are the tape would stick so tightly to a glove that you would have to tear the glove to get away. That stuff is persistent.

[playnice]

Chances are the tape would stick so tightly to a glove that you would have to tear the glove to get away. That stuff is persistent.

3 things no house should be without. Duct tape, hot glue gun and super glue. Fixes everything.

In Caseys case, it worked too well.

[CANDYKISSES]

Grandma lives at home I think..From the looks of grandpa, he's not able to come and go as he pleases..

I'd say that's pretty safe to say. I think Rick said the house was in walking distance from the nursing home.

[Dunlurken]

Chances are the tape would stick so tightly to a glove that you would have to tear the glove to get away. That stuff is persistent.

And if you use scissors, the glue sticks to the damm scissors too. Hummm, wonder if LE took some scissors from the house as well? JMO.

[kitty1182]

I'd say that's pretty safe to say. I think Rick said the house was in walking distance from the nursing home.

Yes, I think he did..I had forgotten about that!!

[Anakerie]

Did Casey say this or did someone else say that she said it?
Cindy said Casey told her about the script, I think.

[irishkitty24]

I'm sorry this does not pertain to current discussion but I just have to post. I am one of those people who believes in innocent until proven guilty but I also use common sense and my gut instinct.

I gave the A's the benefit of the doubt for their odd behavior because they could have been in shock....in the beginning! But as the weeks went by, into months I just can't believe them. You love your child but if they do something wrong they must take responsibility. Part of loving them is being there for them as they take their punishment.

Last night there was a show on on ID channel hosted by Lester Holt. It was about a girl who was murdered and dumped. It turns out it was her freinds who did it. It was a dispute over a boy, they were teens. She was beaten to death by a girl and the boy in dispute was in the car too.

After she was missing for 4 days the boy broke down and told his dad. His dad asked him point blank, is she dead and he said yes. Dad called his ex wife and told her to come over and they both talked to the boy and called the cops. They took him to the police station.

This couple really struck me. They were so upset and yet they did the right thing. They felt it hard to accept that their son could be involved in something like this because he showed no outward signs but the Mom said any child can be capable of this.

We do the best we can but some things just happen. It is what you do after that makes the difference. I am doing a poor job of explaining this but if you could see this show these parents were the perfect example of real love.

They are devasted by their son's actions but are also devastated for the victim and her family.

So very different from the A's. It is just stark and very chilling, how the A's behave as a family.

[PuffDragon]

snipped for length (trying to catch up on my reading but had to say this)

First off, I am NOT an Anthony lover, by any means. BUT, I don't think there is ANY way that Cindy, no matter what, would have left Caylee's remains in the woods.

IMO, she really, truly did love Caylee and could NEVER have left her to the animals and elements that way.

I completely agree. And I don't think George would have either.

[sunstar]

Chances are the tape would stick so tightly to a glove that you would have to tear the glove to get away. That stuff is persistent.

Depending on what the gloves were made of, but if they were knit or fabric then yes definitely some of that would stick to the tape. MOO

[StarShine]

You must not have been reading very carefully because there are actually a lot of posters here who think Cindy loved Caylee and would never have left her body to rot in the woods.

And I am one of them athough I rarely post on this thread.

[Barbara fl.]

Have you researched where GstJ obtained the dogs and past training of said dogs? Do you think a professional search team would wear shorts on a search if they intended to search thoroughly?

IMO, the ONLY value the video offers is better understanding the appearance of the area during the summer and water conditions if the dates can be verified.

Regarding video editing, if a group drove slowly up and down a pathway thru a woods with off-leash dogs supposedly searching along the pathway, and declared the area searched with no findings.............is that a group you want searching for a missing loved one? IMO, TES spent more time PLANNING a search in a similar wooded area.
jmho



Well, no, I would not want those dogs searching for a loved one of mine...After watching that video today, I can not believe that they were fully trained cadaver dogs...That one dog showed signs of senceing something but when let out of the car he headed in the wrong direction....But it was eerie how close they were to the body...

As for the shorts....even the police where shorts out here...that didn't take me back, but as for the area being water logged, I find it hard to believe that that would have stopped a search especially after they had divers going into alligator waters.....There are certainly no alligators around the spot that Caylee was found near....

My honest opinion is that the searchers never searched the area because they assumed it would be too close to where the Anthony's lived therefore it wasn't logical...The group in the car seem to be the only ones that did indeed go very near the spot but not in 20 feet....

[suzanne]

While this link doesn't have the actual videos of interviews it does have everything else released in this case. All interview transcripts, tips, etc.

Files Released In Casey Anthony Case (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/24/files_released_in_casey_anthony_case.html)

Thankyou very much.

[Dunlurken]

I completely agree. And I don't think George would have either.

Who knows with Sociopaths? :confused:

Gotta run. Later peeps!

[suzanne]

This link has Cindy's video taped interview. This link can also be found on the link I gave in my previous post. :)

Audio, Video Recordings Released By Law Enforcement (http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Sidebar/2008/9/27/audio_video_recordings_released_by_law_enforcement .html)

Again Thank you very very much.

[kitty1182]

Is that because of his physical condition or because of a rule? A lot of these places have apartments and infirmary. I also don't think its a huge issue what time of day people come and go. I have visited my Mom at any and all hours of the day and night, and no one has ever tried to stop me. And the doors aren't ever locked either.

He is in a wheelchair...Yes, physcial condition ...I've never heard of a NH that kept their doors unlocked all night....I'm talking about a Nursing Home, which is what he is in....Not an apt..

[CANDYKISSES]

Is that because of his physical condition or because of a rule? A lot of these places have apartments and infirmary. I also don't think its a huge issue what time of day people come and go. I have visited my Mom at any and all hours of the day and night, and no one has ever tried to stop me. And the doors aren't ever locked either.


He is in the wheelchair close to the nurse's station in the photo, and the emails between the sister and Cindy's mother address the kind of care that is required IMO.

In addition to that when Yuri went to confirm, he mentions the id check-in at the duty station and questioning the nurse assigned to Grandpa in the documents release.

[frances1]

Is that because of his physical condition or because of a rule? A lot of these places have apartments and infirmary. I also don't think its a huge issue what time of day people come and go. I have visited my Mom at any and all hours of the day and night, and no one has ever tried to stop me. And the doors aren't ever locked either.

It depends on what level of care the person is receiving. It's my understanding that the elderly grandfather requires nursing care. The doors are locked also so that the residents do not wander off. Where my mother was before she died, even visitors had to have an elevator code to get out.

[joolz]

Is that because of his physical condition or because of a rule? A lot of these places have apartments and infirmary. I also don't think its a huge issue what time of day people come and go. I have visited my Mom at any and all hours of the day and night, and no one has ever tried to stop me. And the doors aren't ever locked either.


The doors are never locked at an elder care facility? Where seniors with debilitating diseases (like Alzheimers) and conditions (strokes) that can leave them completely confused and helpless live? That is very, very odd because it is very, very dangerous.

[kitty1182]

He is in the wheelchair close to the nurse's station in the photo, and the emails between the sister and Cindy's mother address the kind of care that is required IMO.

In addition to that when Yuri went to confirm, he mentions the id check-in at the duty station and questioning the nurse assigned to Grandpa in the documents release.

Thank you..

[kitty1182]

The doors are never locked at an elder care facility? Where seniors with debilitating diseases (like Alzheimers) and conditions (strokes) that can leave them completely confused and helpless live? That is very, very odd because it is very, very dangerous.



I would not want my loved one in one that kept the doors unlocked..Too many mean people who could come in and hurt them..

[kaelieanne]

If the Anthony's didn't want the great-grandparents to hear of the missing child from tv news, all they had to do was tell them not to turn on their tv until they got there.

I don't believe they woke old folks at 4:00a.m. worried they had their tv on at that hour. I don't believe them. They're admitted inconsistency reciters.

It does sound suspicious now that you mention it. Even after all the crappe' (thanks Mamie! I'm adopting your word!) they've told us this past several months, I still believe the things they've said. Duh! :confused: When will I get it?

[joolz]

Maybe my Mom is in an odd place, because the doors are not locked.


What kind of facility is it?

[PuffDragon]

3 things no house should be without. Duct tape, hot glue gun and super glue. Fixes everything.

In Caseys case, it worked too well.

Four things. Don't forget WD-40!!

[irishkitty24]

but were those people subjected to having the world watching their every move through a webcam, or their private conversations broadcast to the world. I think just those two elements is enough to distinguish the difference in the two families.


The media scrutiny has no bearing on the A's behavior. There was no media when Casey was 7 mos pg andthey denied the obvious. Media had nothing to do with how this family developed. This behavior did just start to occur overnight.

Well I am not sure what the publicity was but it was a pretty gruesome case. The parents also did not wait long enough for it to become a media circus.

Their son did something wrong they asked dirrect questions and sttod by him as he would take his lumps. No excuses for him, no throwing LE off track, no double talk.

FYI-They tried to bury the body but the earth was frozen, then they tried to burn the body but it wouldn't burn. When that didn't work they asked a friend to cut up the body so they can dispose of it easier. Not only was she murdered but they just brutalized her over and over again after her death.

His parents still love him but understand that another precious life was lost.

[Nellie]

In re-reading Lee's statement, I was struck by him telling about Casey saying Cindy has told her that "Caylee was her biggest mistake...and she was HER mistake". It got me to thinking.....could Casey killing Caylee be her way of "wiping out her mistake"?....."ridding her of her mistake"......in her mind did she think she would be more acceptable to her mother if she could get rid of her "mistake". I found it odd that she stated this to Lee at the time they were first trying to get out of her where Caylee was. He said this was the first time he had heard this from Casey. Was this perhaps something Cindy threw out at Caylee the night of their fight and Casey took off with Caylee and "got rid of her mistake" so her mom would accept her again......like she did before her "mistake"?

Just thinking out loud......

[PuffDragon]

And if you use scissors, the glue sticks to the damm scissors too. Hummm, wonder if LE took some scissors from the house as well? JMO.

Wow, that's a good point that I hadn't even considered! I wonder how often Casey used duct tape.......... did she know how to cut or tear it efficiently without ending up with it sticking back on itself or did she have to fight with it??

[Abbie]

Didn't the great grand parents livin in "assisted living"? If that is the case, they typically have their own apartments, and free will to come and go as they please, the same for having company.

Assisted living units in buildings have a locked exit door after-hours. At least in my state. One place here has the cottages (free standing little homes) plus apartments, then assisted living units, then rehab unuits, then nursing home units, then dementia units. Every place but the cottages were locked up at night. Even the apartments where staff did not go unless the residents put on emergency light. Once time they found a guy who had been deceased several days in his apt. They just don't go to those assisted living apts unless they need to. (For one thing, those people aren't paying for nursing services,. So if a nurse reponds to one of those apts willy-nilly if they call for something ridculous, the nurse has to make out a slip to go to billing cos the facility DOES charge that old person for the nurse being called from another unit.) This is the new state of the art facilities.

In any building where vulnerable people are residing, I think the door are kept locked at night for their own safety. So none get confused and wander out of the building (I had one who was found at 7-11 at 3 am in her pajamas by the police-:scared:), so no crackheads try to steal meds in the middle of the night, so no otherwise bad people get in, and to keep employees from stealing the place blind. JMO.
In places like this, the facility is responsible for their residents safety. Therefore, no open doors after a certain hour.

[Barbara fl.]

Maybe my Mom is in an odd place, because the doors are not locked.


In assisted living places the doors are left open during the day with a guard at the entrance...Then after a certain hour the doors get locked but the guard remains all night....so it could be that your mom was in a place like that....so was my dad...I could go anytime and visit but after certain hours the guard would have to let me in...

[sunstar]

The doors are never locked at an elder care facility? Where seniors with debilitating diseases (like Alzheimers) and conditions (strokes) that can leave them completely confused and helpless live? That is very, very odd because it is very, very dangerous.

Extended care facilties (nursing homes) wouldn't have access 24/7 for visitors, however an assisted living complex where residents have their own apartments could possibly allow people to come and go as they pleased. However there usually is a main lobby with a reception desk where security would be posted during nighttime hours. The only time I was allowed into an ECF "after hours" was when they called me thinking my mother could pass away that night. MOO

[frances1]

but were those people subjected to having the world watching their every move through a webcam, or their private conversations broadcast to the world. I think just those two elements is enough to distinguish the difference in the two families.

Do you mean that the fact that more people knew about this crime would have affected the values the Anthonys hold?

[Rayosunshine]

This has probably been covered dozens of times, but for some reason I am drawing a blank:

How do we know that the fight between Cindy and Casey was about Casey stealing from her GP's? And how do we know Cindy put her hands around Casey's throat? Is this in the docs anywhere?

If I remember correctly, I believe the neighbor with the shovel first commented on the argument. As time went by, I believe Lenny P. commented on the part about Cindy putting her hands around Casey's throat. Not sure if that part is true or not.

[catdoc]

Maybe my Mom is in an odd place, because the doors are not locked.

That is more than odd. It is medically negligent and probably illegal.