Caylee Anthony - Dec 28/08

[VII]

Right, they haven't been charged with murder as Casey has. But they are in the news regarding this case. Lee's lawyer says he may face state's charges of his own. Cindy & George asking for full immunity after already swearing under oath to tell the truth; they admitted to having lied in that only after the baby's body was located.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?p=538

George and Cindy Anthony Seek Full Immunity: Admit to giving Misleading Information

http://www.docstoc.com/docs/2673046/Casey-Anthony-Witness-List

State’s witness list. They're all on it and will be called to testify in this case.

But yes you're right to say Casey is the only one charged with murder. Others blameless by default? Even their own lawyers say no (as per links above).


I realize that the A's attorney, Conway, has made a statement about immunity regarding George and Cindy. I DO question the headline of the article stating that they "admitted" to giving misleading information. What is the reliability of the blog you referenced?

AND
some of the articles posted today linking Lee's attorney to statements are ALso misleading.

Media's poor attempt to keep interest in this case bolstered in light of slow news during the Holiday's, imo.

[MalloryCat]

Oh I must have missed that. What did they say or do to her?

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.

[5boxersmom]

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.

Wow what did she say?

[dixie77]

Anyone know when they may get more info back from the testing?
Also, does anyone know if Murt is still around? thanks in advance
HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE

[joolz]

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.


Is that in one of the LE interviews with GA?

[Neffy]

yeah, I haven't waded through all of that yet either...
Guess I need to get started on it if I'm going to get caught UP before the trial starts.
In what I have seen/heard on the tapes, there are times she IS quite annoying but then there are times she seems quite desparate = clearly avoiding acceptance that her "Shunshine" had been taken away.

OH NO. No wonder my comparisons, analogy's or posts nor anyone else's make sense and takes away from the case for you.

Pray tell when you wade thru it all........especially re: Cindy Anthony statements.

[MalloryCat]

Wow what did she say?

I am not sure because the story came from a kid who worked there that knew Casey, he said she would come there and hang out, and once again she lived vicariously through some guy at Sports Authority, oh and now that I am thinking about it George told the FBI guys or some Detectives the story.

jmo

[Carol25]

Right, but her parents have called her out in the past, she said she was robbed working at some sporting goods store and George went down there and found out she didn't even work there, and she was never robbed.

And there was no way they were going to accept Caseys Zanny stories about Caylee and thats where she was for long, the day Cindy found out, the next day Casey was in custody, I dont care how bad Cindy has acted, at least she knew to call LE and Casey will pay. Good enough for me.

jmo
No, you misunderstood. If she would have told them she was dead. She accidently drowned in the pool and I was afraid I was going to be blamed so I put her in the woods, they would have helped her out, yet again. They wouldn't want her to get in trouble for abusing a body, not calling police, etc. The 31 days.....

They would have made up stories for her. right. But she didn't take that route, and Cindy got mad.... and called the police.

[bonnie31430]

I thought the same thing, that after george wanted something from the truck that she got scared and immediately put the body where it was found, but then I realized that her parents had not seen her for a month

[Anakerie]

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.
I remember reading or hearing about that, but I don't remember when it happened. Do you?

[steffaroob4]

Of course I have over and over again.



It is so very simple...........The MR was trying to tell the impatient , non interested disptacher the exact area and how to find it , yes he even says ,there is no other cross roads its right off hopespring then suburban , if going toward school its on the right if coming from school on the left , he explains there is a fence on right if coming from school and its on the left going that direction ..he gives great detail over and over again.............the TIME he was taking a PEE was on DEC -11-2008 ..........this is mostly for barbara in Fl ...I'll tell you WHY , when the news report came out that a bag had been found it was DEC 11th and the news report said he was relieving himself ...no one knew of his august calls THEN ....what backs this up IS , his august calls 2 of them specifically tells dispatcher WE killed a 4 ft eastern back diamond rattler and I ain;t going in there... so he had never went in at that point , since the BAG had the indention in the ground and as Tim said had never moved , and since he saw it from the road so it had to be close to see from the road , then someone failed miserably at their job , its so very simple ...has no one put any thought to this ...irks me that people ASK ME if I heard or read the Meter Readers calls ! The question is have any of you and have you thought it out at all ...obviously NOT.


I wasn't the one comparing myself to the MR, saying it would be like me calling and giving an exact location to something near my backyard.

FYI-Meter readers around here only come every 3 months.

How do you know that a snake wasn't killed while he was trying to read a meter in the back of that yard at an earlier point? How can you take 3 edited calls, remember there is a crime-line call missing too, how can you know be so sure of anything with the info we have?

I don't all these theories about him knowing something, he saw something odd, most likely a bag with duct tape on it, he reported it, four months later thinking an officer blew him off he took another look when conditions were less hostile.

[5boxersmom]

I am not sure because the story came from a kid who worked there that knew Casey, he said she would come there and hang out, and once again she lived vicariously through some guy at Sports Authority, oh and now that I am thinking about it George told the FBI guys or some Detectives the story.

jmo

Yes Ryan Paisley but I do not ever remember George saying he called her bluff or what was said.

[VII]

Well, his attorney did say there was more...would come out after the first of the year...could be he did take pics with his cell phone.
Not that it matters to me, this man is a hero. But, whatever else may come would certainly help the pros. It could be that LE is examining the 'more' before it becomes public.


My only ~beef~ with MeterReaderDude is
WHY didn't he stay on the scene in the August calls,
JUST as he did in the December call
and SHOW them what he was talking about.
I mean, c'MON, if you were THAT suspicious,
and he obviously was to keep going back ...
WHY would you NOT stay there until LE arrived?
has he answered that?
j/c

[funkyflower]

Okay, I am just going to get it out there in the open.

1.Does anyone here believe that the family of Casey Anthony were involved in the actual murder of this child? If no, then go on to the next question.

2.Do you believe that the family of Casey Anthony have been involved in the intentional coverup of her killing her daughter? if yes, go to the next question.

3.Do you believe it was out of hatred, malice for Caylee Anthony? if no, stop and wait.

4.Explain to me why they would want her dead?


Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?

I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case.

[Mamie]

Someone gave me a book this Christmas called, "The Secret" by Rhonda Byrne. I understand it's a film also. I am just getting started in it and it's a short book, but one of the first things discussed is the law of attraction and boiled down it's whatever is in your mind, you are attracting to you. Be it wealth, friendship, employment, religion, confidence, etc. Do you think that Casey could have read this book and taken this to heart (so to speak) in getting rid of little Caylee? JMO

[MalloryCat]

No, you misunderstood. If she would have told them she was dead. She accidently drowned in the pool and I was afraid I was going to be blamed so I put her in the woods, they would have helped her out, yet again. They wouldn't want her to get in trouble for abusing a body, not calling police, etc. The 31 days.....

They would have made up stories for her. right. But she didn't take that route, and Cindy got mad.... and called the police.


Well, there is a flurry of activity on her phone the day Caylee probably died to both her parents after a period of inactivity, and they were multiple attempts, followed by another period of inactivity, did Caylee die and her first instinct was to call her folks, but when they didn't pick up, maybe she decided to take matters into her own hands, maybe after the fight the night before she felt they would not believe her, we really dont know.

jmo

[joolz]

Yes Ryan Paisley but I do not ever remember George saying he called her bluff or what was said.

Neither do I. I do remember Ryan saying that Cindy knew it wasn't true that she worked with him and that she warned him that Casey was a sociopath. Not George.

[5boxersmom]

I wasn't the one comparing myself to the MR, saying it would be like me calling and giving an exact location to something near my backyard.

FYI-Meter readers around here only come every 3 months.

How do you know that a snake wasn't killed while he was trying to read a meter in the back of that yard at an earlier point? How can you take 3 edited calls, remember there is a crime-line call missing too, how can you know be so sure of anything with the info we have?

I don't all these theories about him knowing something, he saw something odd, most likely a bag with duct tape on it, he reported it, four months later thinking an officer blew him off he took another look when conditions were less hostile.

Maybe the snakes leave when the water goes down? The physics said the water was knee high, that was Aug. 11th.

Also if you read through the tips alot of tips came from the same people. They called or emailed several times. The MR just happens to be the one whose tip checked out. We do not even know if he was seeing the same bag from August.

[VII]

I'm making an analogy not dragging the case in as you didn't GET what was being said so I thought a comparison might help. What this 22yr old did was the same as Cindy and George. She did even less and will be prosecuted is my point.

Although you think the Anthony's take away from the case to. Whatever.


This is one 1st degree crime surrounded by persons committing other crimes. I say take them all down and prosecute them all to the fullest extent of the law.

If you want to ONLY talk about Casey's roll that's fine. But there are other crimes involved here.

I didn't drag in a cat (along with there litter box) you did. Good Grief

IMO
The way G and C have irrationally responded to an unbelievable situation is NOT the equivalent of how THAT 22 y.o. reported her nonexistent baby was abducted.
IMO
no similarity.
BUT
you are entitled to your opinion.

peace

[5boxersmom]

KG is filling in for Geraldo and is going to have the Caylee case on in a bit.

[5boxersmom]

1 of his calls in AUGUST was at 9:34 at night too and he was in his little blue car , not the white utility colorado he drove during work hours ! He mus have been just doing a drive by that night !


So, He got off his azz and was out searching. Just like Cindy told him to do.

[Mamie]

Okay, I am just going to get it out there in the open.

1.Does anyone here believe that the family of Casey Anthony were involved in the actual murder of this child? If no, then go on to the next question.

2.Do you believe that the family of Casey Anthony have been involved in the intentional coverup of her killing her daughter? if yes, go to the next question.

3.Do you believe it was out of hatred, malice for Caylee Anthony? if no, stop and wait.

4.Explain to me why they would want her dead?


Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?

I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case.


1) No.
2) If you mean coverup as in after the fact, yes.
3) No.

JMO

[steffaroob4]

KG is filling in for Geraldo and is going to have the Caylee case on in a bit.

Is this a repeat? I think I have seen this before.

[5boxersmom]

Is this a repeat? I think I have seen this before.

I think this is with George Hamilton but KG is live.

[MrsHudson]

Speaking of Greta.....check out the email Cindy wrote to Rick.
Scroll to pg 49. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

No thanks. Cannot stand to watch Cindy or hear her speak. I just hope she goes far away when all this is over with.

[steffaroob4]

So, He got off his azz and was out searching. Just like Cindy told him to do.

You sure have that right.

I am giving the MR the benfit of the doubt, I can't wait to hear the rest of his story. He has done nothing wrong in my eyes, I always give people a chance.

[VII]

OH NO. No wonder my comparisons, analogy's or posts nor anyone else's make sense and takes away from the case for you.

Pray tell when you wade thru it all........especially re: Cindy Anthony statements.

SO sorry I have upset you.
Ya see, I WORK every day and I don't have TIME to wade through all the mega evidence released in this case.
Perhaps, an objective viewpoint, from someone who HASN'T read each and every document, is just what is needed
to keep the FOCUS on CASEY and the fact that SHE killed her daughter.
again...
I offer my apologies.

[MrsHudson]

Oh that's just Michelle Bart, who thought long and hard before she published an innocent little girl's picture in newspapers nationwide.

It's her site now I believe. Did you see the ministers long post asking everyone to pray for Casey?

Cheap grace coming down the pike.

[Neffy]

Okay, I am just going to get it out there in the open.

1.Does anyone here believe that the family of Casey Anthony were involved in the actual murder of this child? If no, then go on to the next question.

2.Do you believe that the family of Casey Anthony have been involved in the intentional coverup of her killing her daughter? if yes, go to the next question.

3.Do you believe it was out of hatred, malice for Caylee Anthony? if no, stop and wait.

4.Explain to me why they would want her dead?


Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?

I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case.

"Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?"

1. Yes.
2. Her mother had no idea what happened at the time, power struggle between Casey and Cindy and Casey was using Caylee. Cindy was calling her bluff.
3. Interview was AFTER Casey claimed "kidnapping".
4. Casey killed Caylee in a rage after a major fight with Cindy. Cindy was in complete control of their entire well being, money, roof, medical. Cindy also found out Casey stoled her parents money. Casey retaliated. She wouldn't have to take care of her OR CAYLEE ever again type rage taken out on Caylee. More to it but I'll stop here.
5. Yes CONVICTION.

"I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case."

Not at all. That's why the animosity on the board. After Cindy and George found out the truth they both did an about face. They didn't want the truth of where the evidence pointed to be brought out. That evidence all leads to Casey. That's where the hindering of the investigation begins. Still a criminal act.

[nc1948]

Guess you are ironic. I still se no obstruction of justice. MO.

This is a forum where we discuss, disect, disagree and sometimes argue. If we all agreed there would be no reason to read on here. The people that disagree with me are the ones that make me rethink my point of view.

I just do not see the agrument that the Anthonys have not done anything to hinder this investigation. I do not understand the belief that they will not, should not, can not be charged for any of the lies they have told. I realize that any statements (even lies) to media is not sworn testimony, so therefore, I do agree that these will probably not be used to impeach them. But they have all give sworn statements to LE that have contained mistruths. Their lawyer even said that they had made inconsistant statements. I always thought it was against the law to lie the LE. Maybe I am wrong.

A good example was posted earlier on this thread of the woman who said child was kidnapped. Come to find out no kidnapping, because there was no child. So if the Anthonys cannot be charged with lying, then does she also get a free pass. I just don't understand.

[kaelieanne]

Trying to make a comparison between Casey and Mary (giving birth to Jesus) is more than ridiculous.

It borders on blasphemy. I am at a complete loss for more words.

[Mamie]

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.


Well that's good to know that G & C do have some sort of radar for that stuff. Too bad they didn't put it to work the day Casey told them that Zenaida was involved in that car accident and had to stay overnight in the hospital and stuff. I seem to remember both Casey and Cindy had their fine points tuned really well when telling that story (unless Cindy embellished all that stuff about Zenaida's ear on her own). JMO

[steffaroob4]

Behind the 'One Tree Hill'-Caylee Anthony Murder Connection (http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473449,00.html)

This is a rush transcript from "On the Record ," December 26, 2008. This copy may not be in its final form and may be updated.

JAMIE COLBY, FOX NEWS GUEST HOST: A big question tonight--what role did the TV show "One Tree Hill" play in the death of Caylee Anthony? Authorities are looking very closely at one episode in particularly, alleging Casey did some research on Google about a nanny kidnapping on the hit TV show. Could that be where Casey's alibi about nanny-snatching came from?

[CANDYKISSES]

I really have no idea, but there was some doubt and George checked it out and called her bluff.

I don't remember reading that George did anything other than speak to Ryan IIRC who did in fact work at Sports Authority and was another victim of Casey's thieving IMO. Ryan just admitted that Casey didn't work there, but if you remember George calling her out, please elaborate.

TIA. JMO.

[Carol25]

Well, there is a flurry of activity on her phone the day Caylee probably died to both her parents after a period of inactivity, and they were multiple attempts, followed by another period of inactivity, did Caylee die and her first instinct was to call her folks, but when they didn't pick up, maybe she decided to take matters into her own hands, maybe after the fight the night before she felt they would not believe her, we really dont know.

jmo
Mallory, that's the only evidence that points to accident for me. If only she would have called LE at that very moment. Why didn't she?

Was she so used to Mom and Dad making things right and she was so immature that she didn't know what to do in that panic? We've heard of 4 year olds calling 911!

We cannot dismiss the 31 days. The partying. The forensics in her car. The forensics in the backyard. The shovel. The lies and more lies. The big grins when arrested. Never grieving. The number of comments about herself on phone conversations vs. the number of times she talked anything about Caylees or investigating about her.

The body. Not in a deeply dug grave. But thrown or put where a weak person might put it.

[Oregongal]

Actually, if the parents have always covered for her before, Casey's arrogance and lying probably finally did her in.

If she had told her parents what she had done, they probably would have covered for her, gave her money, told her to get out of town for a while until "an accident" could occur or "something" would befall Caylee.
But her lying and thieving finally got to Cindy and she made that infamous call that started the ball rolling....

Talk about KARMA!

I think you're right Carol. I would also add that if Casey had come clean with Cindy that night, that 911 call would never have been made.
We all wouldn't even know about Caylee Marie.
But since Cindy was so desperate to see Caylee and Casey continued the lying and putting her off, she thought she'd pull the calling the police card.
I'm betting now she is sorry she took that route and made that/those calls. That call brought the whole nation into her perfect little world and from that point on it all fell apart.
Yes, she would still be grieving and heartbroken about Caylee, but her princess would not be also lost to her.
You call it Karma, I call it God. And he does have a way in working things out for the best for those he cares about and loves the most.
Beautiful, innocent little Caylee is the winner here.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox News interview archive w/Jamie Colby
Behind the 'One Tree Hill'-Caylee Anthony Murder Connection
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,473449,00.html

[Mamie]

I think this is with George Hamilton but KG is live.


Oh good, he'll be on again at 10PM.

[MalloryCat]

I don't remember reading that George did anything other than speak to Ryan IIRC who did in fact work at Sports Authority and was another victim of Casey's thieving IMO. Ryan just admitted that Casey didn't work there, but if you remember George calling her out, please elaborate.

TIA. JMO.

Um, he could have just said, Oh my god gorgeous, you poor thing, and never went and talked to Ryan and Casey could have played the robbed victim role right? I think thats calling her bluff.

[Neffy]

SO sorry I have upset you.
Ya see, I WORK every day and I don't have TIME to wade through all the mega evidence released in this case.
Perhaps, an objective viewpoint, from someone who HASN'T read each and every document, is just what is needed
to keep the FOCUS on CASEY and the fact that SHE killed her daughter.
again...
I offer my apologies.

Upset? More stunned. In your words if you didn't "wade" thru Cindy Anthony's statements you would see how silly it is that you think the focus is being taken off of Casey.

Objective is when you have the information . What you described is someone uniformed and you'd rather shoot from the hip without being informed.

Whatever.

[5boxersmom]

Please show a graph that states the water 8-11-08 was knee high.

I don't have a graph. I said where I heard it. On Gail St. Johns video. Others heard it too.

[kaelieanne]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .


I think that your lack of understanding and appreciation of LE shows that you have no idea the workload they're under and how their jobs stress them out to the max. Rather than pointing the finger at how badly you perceive them to be doing their jobs, you should be giving them the benefit of the doubt as most people do.


What was your previous name Wall? Something about your punctuation seems to ring a bell...

[Anakerie]

LISTEN to HIS CALLS, he said the snake was killed right there ! I don't say this HE does. He does not say a snake was in someones back yard , what would that have to do with anything , the bag wasn't in someone yard ! And yes this is the information from what we have heard and KNOW , which tells me its probably going to get more questionable . my thought is he knew what was in the bag cause I think he had peeked , and that also explains to me why he kept calling , because why would he keep calling if he did not know what was in the bag , and why did he keep driving down suburban when there was only the school back there and he said on call number one he was only there cause he had to read the schools meter , then is there again and again and again , granted he may be suspicious ,but unless he knew what was in that bag ,he would have no reason to keep stalking that bag day after day , look I don't care if he peeked or not , but its not all 100% , the logic does not fit ....
What is your point in all this?

[joolz]

Um, he could have just said, Oh my god gorgeous, you poor thing, and never went and talked to Ryan and Casey could have played the robbed victim role right? I think thats calling her bluff.

Which transcript is that in?

[steffaroob4]

LISTEN to HIS CALLS, he said the snake was killed right there ! I don't say this HE does. He does not say a snake was in someones back yard , what would that have to do with anything , the bag wasn't in someone yard ! And yes this is the information from what we have heard and KNOW , which tells me its probably going to get more questionable . my thought is he knew what was in the bag cause I think he had peeked , and that also explains to me why he kept calling , because why would he keep calling if he did not know what was in the bag , and why did he keep driving down suburban when there was only the school back there and he said on call number one he was only there cause he had to read the schools meter , then is there again and again and again , granted he may be suspicious ,but unless he knew what was in that bag ,he would have no reason to keep stalking that bag day after day , look I don't care if he peeked or not , but its not all 100% , the logic does not fit ....


If he looked, why not call a news station or take LP up on his $50,000 reward and call him with the info? It make no sense that he knew she was in there.
I can't be sure about anything until I hear his story, so far I find him honest. He is the one that told LE about the 3 calls he made. Call me crazy but he looked very freaked out the day of the discovery, you can see a lot more emotion from him that day than I have ever seen from casey.

I don't understand why it would be so hard to believe that he had to go take a leak and did a little look around at the same time. Not all people have a great bladder.

[joolz]

When Casey was initially arrested her booking page showed she had been arrested as a juvenile. Maybe someone in the family did turn her in then.


Or maybe someone she ripped off who wasn't family reported her to the police.

[AlohaRainbow]

Yes, right about that-----why wait until Mom tracks you down----you go to Mom with your story. But then I remember her telling the police that the reaction that her mother had when she found out would have been the same reaction she'd have had early on, so Casey was postponing all the name calling, questions, unending yelling, tears, etc.

I sure hope we find out the truth and ALL OF IT in this trial. It scares me to think if it doesn't come out and Casey somehow gets off----what we are "in for" in the future as a society. JMO
[bolding added to the quote] i agree
what i find disingenuous is casey telling LE that she was "afraid" of her mom's reaction. i don't believe casey was "afraid" of cindy (or anybody for that matter!), i think she just didn't want to have to hear it (all the while rolling her eyes) :rolleyes:

[VII]

"Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?"

1. Yes.
2. Her mother had no idea what happened at the time, power struggle between Casey and Cindy and Casey was using Caylee. Cindy was calling her bluff.
3. Interview was AFTER Casey claimed "kidnapping".
4. Casey killed Caylee in a rage after a major fight with Cindy. Cindy was in complete control of their entire well being, money, roof, medical. Cindy also found out Casey stoled her parents money. Casey retaliated. She wouldn't have to take care of her OR CAYLEE ever again type rage taken out on Caylee. More to it but I'll stop here.
5. Yes CONVICTION.

"I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case."

Not at all. That's why the animosity on the board. After Cindy and George found out the truth they both did an about face. They didn't want the truth of where the evidence pointed to be brought out. That evidence all leads to Casey. That's where the hindering of the investigation begins. Still a criminal act.

IMO,
G and C "found out the truth" when they were notified that a body had been discovered close to their house ...
It was confirmed at the same time we ALL "found out the truth".

So, as your response to #2 indicates that Cindy "had not idea" about what had happened to Caylee, which family member aided and abetted in this murder?

If Cindy were in "complete control" of anything, she's done better than the REST of the universe. If Cindy were THAT effective in her "control", NONE of this would have happened.

IMO

[Rayosunshine]

This evening I can't help but keep thinking about the supposed comment that Cindy made about Caylee being Casey's biggest mistake. Cindy supposedly did not allow Casey to give Caylee up for adoption. Cindy and George should have known full well that Casey could not afford to work and pay child care. What was Casey doing with all of her time - did no one ever see her and Caylee hanging in the malls or whatever? I can't recall hearing anything about that.

If Casey was forced to keep Caylee, as punishment for her "biggest mistake", this is not good.

I am certainly not trying to defend Casey, but I think there are some really big, bad psychosocial issues that we are going to learn about when this goes to court.

[nc1948]

[bolding added to the quote] i agree
what i find disingenuous is casey telling LE that she was "afraid" of her mom's reaction. i don't believe casey was "afraid" of cindy (or anybody for that matter!), i think she just didn't want to have to hear it (all the while rolling her eyes) :rolleyes:


She sure didn't seem afraid when she talked to her from jail. If my child had talked to me like that in that situation, she sure would not have had a visit from me (and no money in account for goodies)

[5boxersmom]

Wow I did find a graph about the rainfall. Check it out.

http://www.cityoforlando.net/public_works/stormwater/rain/rainfall.htm

Aot of rain in June, July, and August of 2008 compared to 2007.

:closedeyes:

[MalloryCat]

Their lawyer Mr. Conway has told the media and the public that the Anthony's gave conflicting statements to LE. Conflicting statements means that what they told the police conflict with the truth. Mr Conway said he was going to the state to ask for immunity for the Anthony's.

THIS IS FROM THEIR LAWYER. We did not make it up.They did it! He said so. It's obvious when you look at their interviews.

It seems to me that the people who defend the Anthonys do it because they are JUST LIKE THEM. Reasoning with you guys is like talking to an Anthony.

We tell you guys the facts 100 times and it goes in one ear and out the other. You don't want to hear because you are wrong. Does the truth matter to you or not? Does the rule of law matter to you? Do you like watching them lie and game the system? I think you must. :cuss:

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo

[Rayosunshine]

Or maybe someone she ripped off who wasn't family reported her to the police.

Or, she might have skipped out of school and got caught by truant officers - this from my own experience. One time, that's all it took - never did it again.

[Carol25]

I think you're right Carol. I would also add that if Casey had come clean with Cindy that night, that 911 call would never have been made.
We all wouldn't even know about Caylee Marie.
But since Cindy was so desperate to see Caylee and Casey continued the lying and putting her off, she thought she'd pull the calling the police card.
I'm betting now she is sorry she took that route and made that/those calls. That call brought the whole nation into her perfect little world and from that point on it all fell apart.
Yes, she would still be grieving and heartbroken about Caylee, but her princess would not be also lost to her.
You call it Karma, I call it God. And he does have a way in working things out for the best for those he cares about and loves the most.
Beautiful, innocent little Caylee is the winner here.
I'm wrong. You are definitely right. It was God!:rose:

[Neffy]

When Casey was initially arrested her booking page showed she had been arrested as a juvenile. Maybe someone in the family did turn her in then.

I would have guessed the opposite, that someone not related to the family turned her in as in shoplifting charges or along that line. Just speculating. I can see her parents springing her from that also.

I don't think from her crime wave she's ever been accountable for anything under that roof.

[nc1948]

Probably against the TOS, but impeach Bush before the poor gm and gd.
Sorry.. MO


HUH? (my required 10 characters)

[bchand]

This evening I can't help but keep thinking about the supposed comment that Cindy made about Caylee being Casey's biggest mistake. Cindy supposedly did not allow Casey to give Caylee up for adoption. Cindy and George should have known full well that Casey could not afford to work and pay child care. What was Casey doing with all of her time - did no one ever see her and Caylee hanging in the malls or whatever? I can't recall hearing anything about that.

If Casey was forced to keep Caylee, as punishment for her "biggest mistake", this is not good.

I am certainly not trying to defend Casey, but I think there are some really big, bad psychosocial issues that we are going to learn about when this goes to court.


IIRC she said Caylee was her "best" mistake.

Even after all this, Cindy told Casey in one of their jail conversations that she (Casey) would NOT have to get a job when she got out of jail and Caylee came home.

Some real issues here, yep. (Just think she wouldn't even have to pretend to have a job anymore.)

[MrsHudson]

IMO,
G and C "found out the truth" when they were notified that a body had been discovered close to their house ...
It was confirmed at the same time we ALL "found out the truth".

So, as your response to #2 indicates that Cindy "had not idea" about what had happened to Caylee, which family member aided and abetted in this murder?

If Cindy were in "complete control" of anything, she's done better than the REST of the universe. If Cindy were THAT effective in her "control", NONE of this would have happened.

IMO

In the end Cindy was not able to control anything.

But it certainly was not for lack of trying.

[Mamie]

[bolding added to the quote] i agree
what i find disingenuous is casey telling LE that she was "afraid" of her mom's reaction. i don't believe casey was "afraid" of cindy (or anybody for that matter!), i think she just didn't want to have to hear it (all the while rolling her eyes) :rolleyes:

Yes, I agree with that, she just didn't want to have to hear it and she'd have had no choice because if Cindy would have needed to hold her down or tie her to a chair under a swinging light, she'd have done just that to get all that she'd built up out of her system. JMO

[joolz]

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo


Yup, that's awesome.

[kaelieanne]

New Reward Offered To Man Who Found Caylee's Remains (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)
Leesburg Man Adds Caylee To Missing Children's Memorial

Kronk's attorney confirmed to WESH 2 that they are now considering an offer made by NeJame, who is offering a $5,000 reward to Kronk. That amount represents the money NeJame made while serving as the Anthony family's representative.

MN got paid? I'd like to know where that money came from.

[Rayosunshine]

IIRC she said Caylee was her "best" mistake.

Even after all this, Cindy told Casey in one of their jail conversations that she (Casey) would NOT have to get a job when she got out of jail and Caylee came home.

Some real issues here, yep. (Just think she wouldn't even have to pretend to have a job anymore.)

Thanks bc. I confused "best" with "biggest".

[VII]

Upset? More stunned. In your words if you didn't "wade" thru Cindy Anthony's statements you would see how silly it is that you think the focus is being taken off of Casey.

Objective is when you have the information . What you described is someone uniformed and you'd rather shoot from the hip without being informed.

Whatever.


So Sorry my agreeing with you is so important.
I've never flown with the swarm.

[joolz]

IF they hadn't gone out to the CRIME SCENE on 2 occasions you might could use the excuse they were just too busy ! I have NO misunderstanding about what cops do , they do nothing different then you or I do . WE ALL have jobs ,well some of us , and GUESS WHAT , that is their JOB , you think I can use an excise that I am too busy to do my JOB..you must be joking! Work load does not suffice , hence THEY WENT THERE TWICE , the third time got scared off by a snake ! Its you who has so little understanding , its obvious , you are contradicting yourself saying they were too busy ,yet they were on the scene , 3 times , do you read or anything before you post ? Their work stresses them out ......!!! What ! No kidding so does mine , if its too rough they should strip theirselves of the uniform and serve coffee somewhere like maybe a donut shop?


Who I am is no business of yours .


Oh my goodness, aren't you the same 2thewall who posted:

"I think that opinions such as this are baiting to any poster and anything of that nature ( where in it could incite a poster ) needs to be done through PM , now that is the rules according to CW .


Please do not abuse your own right to post by inciting other posters."

[dixie77]

This evening I can't help but keep thinking about the supposed comment that Cindy made about Caylee being Casey's biggest mistake. Cindy supposedly did not allow Casey to give Caylee up for adoption. Cindy and George should have known full well that Casey could not afford to work and pay child care. What was Casey doing with all of her time - did no one ever see her and Caylee hanging in the malls or whatever? I can't recall hearing anything about that.

If Casey was forced to keep Caylee, as punishment for her "biggest mistake", this is not good.

I am certainly not trying to defend Casey, but I think there are some really big, bad psychosocial issues that we are going to learn about when this goes to court.
========================

I would also like to know what Casey was doing everyday. No one has ever come forward saying they seen Casey and Caylee anywhere. I have wondered about this since the beginning. I'm gonna go back to my original thinking of this and say that Casey had to be a call girl in another city close to were she lived. She had to bring Caylee along with her and probably had someone babysit her while she "worked".
jmo

[ann10]

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo


Funny, I have always felt that the hostility directed toward Cindy originates from some sense of familiarity.

I have never been able to conjure up any hatred for these grandparents, only pity.

[Carol25]

I would have guessed the opposite, that someone not related to the family turned her in as in shoplifting charges or along that line. Just speculating. I can see her parents springing her from that also.

I don't think from her crime wave she's ever been accountable for anything under that roof.
Wonder if that has something to do with being kicked of cheerleading and not graduating?

[bchand]

Thanks bc. I confused "best" with "biggest".

s'ok Ray- just saying Caylee was any kind of mistake is repugnant.

I'd say she finally did something right if I were her grandmom.

[rj1212]

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo

Again MalloryCat....Why is it necessary to defend parents who lie and obstruct for their daughter while their grand-daughter has been found in a bag?

I'd really like to hear your LOGICAL
explanation for defending the actions of Cindy and George Anthony...
:w00t:

[Oregongal]

You could do the same and proof read .Too funny.


But to the point ,and The POINT is, if the BAG was always there and if it was so obscured from the road then , HOW did the meter reader SEE IT ---it contradicts the meter readers story , he says he saw something in the woods ,but tells disptach he aint going in the woods ! but people are saying he was in the woods taking a PEE and thats how he saw it , BUT he CLEARLY says in the dispatch calls he IS NOT going in the woods cause of a snake we killed there ! 2 times he said this in AUGUST ..............So he admits THEN he is not gong in the woods ( 15 ft in there is not deep in the woods~! ............WE SEE the area is clearly visable from the road , we see this from the TARP where they covered the area of interest .

DEC 11th he told dipatch that he was taking a pee ,NOT AUGUST when he made the 3 calls ,because that was what the news report said THEN and the MEDIA did not KNOW THEN that he had called in August too and three times to boot .

Whatever 2theWall.
I will compare my grasp of grammer, spelling and syntax of the English language any day to yours. As well as the number of posts I have compared to yours.
It's obvious we do not agree and never will.
I can tell by this post that you are quite angry.
Sorry, didn't mean to set you off. I was just stating what I and my dd observed about the site where Caylee was found.
This forum is about Caylee, not about any one of us trying to shove our opinions down others throats.
And I refuse to take your bait and continue this diatribe with you.
Thank you for your opinions, I may not agree, but I do consider and respect everyone's opinions, whether I agree or not.
Go for it baby. If you feel you must.
But, leave me out of it and please don't respond to me again.

[VII]

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo


kinda like a ~control issue~, eh? :wink:

[steffaroob4]

IF they hadn't gone out to the CRIME SCENE on 2 occasions you might could use the excuse they were just too busy ! I have NO misunderstanding about what cops do , they do nothing different then you or I do . WE ALL have jobs ,well some of us , and GUESS WHAT , that is their JOB , you think I can use an excise that I am too busy to do my JOB..you must be joking! Work load does not suffice , hence THEY WENT THERE TWICE , the third time got scared off by a snake ! Its you who has so little understanding , its obvious , you are contradicting yourself saying they were too busy ,yet they were on the scene , 3 times , do you read or anything before you post ? Their work stresses them out ......!!! What ! No kidding so does mine , if its too rough they should strip theirselves of the uniform and serve coffee somewhere like maybe a donut shop?


Who I am is no business of yours .

The officer scared off by a snake story supposedly came from a co-worker of Meter Reader, we don't know if that is true.

I will wait to here MR's story before I take that leap. I do have a feeling the officer may have blew off MR as a nut, there were a lot of nuts calling into LE with tips.

[MrsHudson]

IF they hadn't gone out to the CRIME SCENE on 2 occasions you might could use the excuse they were just too busy ! I have NO misunderstanding about what cops do , they do nothing different then you or I do . WE ALL have jobs ,well some of us , and GUESS WHAT , that is their JOB , you think I can use an excise that I am too busy to do my JOB..you must be joking! Work load does not suffice , hence THEY WENT THERE TWICE , the third time got scared off by a snake ! Its you who has so little understanding , its obvious , you are contradicting yourself saying they were too busy ,yet they were on the scene , 3 times , do you read or anything before you post ? Their work stresses them out ......!!! What ! No kidding so does mine , if its too rough they should strip theirselves of the uniform and serve coffee somewhere like maybe a donut shop?

Who I am is no business of yours .

You will be disappointed to learn that LE considers it a setback that they missed a window of opportunity to find poor Caylee, however they are very confident of the case against Casey and this set back will not affect her eventual sentencing and incarceration. You really don't think that this mistake should be the reason a child murderer goes free do you? Or maybe you do?

Casey is going down. And George and Cindy, no matter what they did or did not do for good or ill, will have a future to look forward to of going to visit her in jail. for perhaps the rest of her life. That will be their new job. I certainly hope they have no plans for becoming crusaders for missing children. Such roles are for people with good reputations, and would be not compatible with our image of George and Cindy hammers and baseball bats, brawling and cursing in their front yard.

[bchand]

Funny, I have always felt that the hostility directed toward Cindy originates from some sense of familiarity.

I have never been able to conjure up any hatred for these grandparents, only pity.

Just curious - would you feel the same way if you were Jesse's parent or Amy's parent? How about if you were the parent of the little girl who's picture they publicized all over the US as definitely being Caylee?

If it were up to Cindy, she would have gladly traded Jesse or Amy for Casey's spot in jail IMO.

I could conjure up some hatred if I were the parents.

[joolz]

Again MalloryCat....Why is it necessary to defend parents who lie and obstruct for their daughter while their grand-daughter has been found in a bag?

I'd really like to hear your LOGICAL
explanation for defending the actions of Cindy and George Anthony...
:w00t:


To paraphrase a great line from Legally Blonde, "Dare to hope, rj, dare to hope." :lol:

[MalloryCat]

kinda like a ~control issue~, eh? :wink:

Yeah, something like that.:wink:

[Neffy]

IMO,
G and C "found out the truth" when they were notified that a body had been discovered close to their house ...
It was confirmed at the same time we ALL "found out the truth".

So, as your response to #2 indicates that Cindy "had not idea" about what had happened to Caylee, which family member aided and abetted in this murder?

If Cindy were in "complete control" of anything, she's done better than the REST of the universe. If Cindy were THAT effective in her "control", NONE of this would have happened.

IMO

Good Grief "aided and Abetted this murder" :w00t: Who said that? I certainly didn't. Feel free to try again.

I gave my "complete control" description also. No where near what you've twisted it into either.

[steffaroob4]

These are my replys back to inciteful posts , read back ---------seems noone is taking care of the ones who start the slinging , so I must defend myself . I simply stated my opinons on LE lack of due care and duty and got slammed with inciteful posts .

I have seen NOTHING inciteful tonight...

I like KG, I wish she had her own show, she cover this case GREAT.

[beckyj]

IF they hadn't gone out to the CRIME SCENE on 2 occasions you might could use the excuse they were just too busy ! I have NO misunderstanding about what cops do , they do nothing different then you or I do . WE ALL have jobs ,well some of us , and GUESS WHAT , that is their JOB , you think I can use an excise that I am too busy to do my JOB..you must be joking! Work load does not suffice , hence THEY WENT THERE TWICE , the third time got scared off by a snake ! Its you who has so little understanding , its obvious , you are contradicting yourself saying they were too busy ,yet they were on the scene , 3 times , do you read or anything before you post ? Their work stresses them out ......!!! What ! No kidding so does mine , if its too rough they should strip theirselves of the uniform and serve coffee somewhere like maybe a donut shop?


Who I am is no business of yours .

I think there is a difference in being too busy to do something and doing it halfway. In this case, I sincerely believe that they went to an area that they thought had already been searched and didn't expect to find anything. There were probably hundreds of tips done the same way. It happens to everybody just on a different scale. Do you ever open the "you won" envelope knowing you didn't win and anticipating that it is another trick? Same thing - bigger scale - especially since they thought the area had been searched.

On another note - I think MANY people would be scared off by a rattle snake. I can guarantee I would unless my living child was standing there needing me.

JMO of course!

[shelbar53]

1 of his calls in AUGUST was at 9:34 at night too and he was in his little blue car , not the white utility colorado he drove during work hours ! He mus have been just doing a drive by that night !

ok the meter reader called in 4 tips,,,,very suspecious and LE didnt follow through, you guys have convinced me casey is innocent because of that.

OMG, casey killed caylee and we all should be so thankful a doubled bagged trash bag with duct tape and a dead body was found. Despite LE' s poor attempt or not...the bag was found. despite the meter man being an obsessed busy body found the bag. None of that disproves caseys guilt. Its all red herrings. caylee was found...all clears at the site will lead back to casey and only casey.

this bickering over LE's follow-up and the metermans obsession is pointless and proves nothing. there is a time to hash that out, like after the trial or after we have all the facts from LE and he meterman....neither of them killed caylee

[Mamie]

OK here's what I don't understand and maybe someone who is following this case has a better idea:

NG aired an hour long show to the recordings of CA and the LE interviews. In one segment, they talk about the Nanny Zenaida and Casey going back and forth via email, text and cellphone calls. Casey would "check in on Caylee." That they would call each other periodically thru-out the day, etc...

and this is the biggest clencher for me: OBVIOUSLY there is no listing or cellphone number in her outgoing or incoming call log for Zanny. Nor are there any emails or text msgs or yahoo/aim archives for this supposed individual.

I mean how do you go a year without making one single phone call or txt to the person watching your child?! Even if the numbers, internet handles changed, there would still be a log.

Don't George and Cindy see this?? How can they back up a story that someone was watching their grandchild and there's ABSOLUTELY NO DIGITAL COMMUNICATION footprint of this babysitter? I mean, god forbid the FBI got a hold of my computers tomorrow. I wouldn't be able to hide talking to a certain person, or let alone make someone up...............

I just don't understand how Cindy or George can overlook that?

This has been one of our big stressers, along with not working for two years and them thinking she was working while living under their roof, of course. George questioning but then not questioning Caylee about Zenaida and then taking that further and asking Casey about Zenaida (which he didn't I guess, who knows). These people only saw what they wanted to see. JMO

[LisaM22]

I haven't had time to read all the new posts. Last night I saw Jesse Grund on NG. He said Casey broke up with him, because she thought he loved Caylee more! How twisted!
Also, Jesse seems like a good guy by all counts, but Casey and her family pointed the police in his direction as a suspect. UGH! The Anthonys will throw ANYONE under the bus!

that sounds like something she would do - jmho

[beckyj]

I like you. I think you are a honest person. But in this country we have the right to our own beliefs and opinions. So has Cindy and George.

Beliefs and opinions does no equal obstruction of justice.

I agree, but under oath they are supposed to mean something. I don't think Cindy and George had anything to do with the death of Caylee, but I suspect they did a little obstructing.

JMO

[rj1212]

Speaking for myself only, its not a necessity, its a preference. A preference against the kicking of someone when they are down. Some people prefer not to do that.

One might ask why its necessary for you to demand an explanation why someone feels the way they do?

I'm asking...not demanding. In addition, it's an attempt to understand where the poster is coming from, based on facts and rationale.

I've already established that I am not defending Casey in any way...she is charged with 1st degree murder and will have her day in court...this is about Cindy and George to MalloryCat...

[VII]

========================

I would also like to know what Casey was doing everyday. No one has ever come forward saying they seen Casey and Caylee anywhere. I have wondered about this since the beginning. I'm gonna go back to my original thinking of this and say that Casey had to be a call girl in another city close to were she lived. She had to bring Caylee along with her and probably had someone babysit her while she "worked".
jmo


yep, one of her associates could have dressed up in a cute little Nanny suit, called herself Zanny the Nanny, and
i agree that Casey was supporting herself OTHER than robbing her friends and family blind.

[rj1212]

I like you. I think you are a honest person. But in this country we have the right to our own beliefs and opinions. So has Cindy and George.

Beliefs and opinions does no equal obstruction of justice.

Giving false testimony and lying...even under oath go way beyond mere belief and opinion.

I like you too. I like all of you here! :thumbsup:

[ann10]

Just curious - would you feel the same way if you were Jesse's parent or Amy's parent? How about if you were the parent of the little girl who's picture they publicized all over the US as definitely being Caylee?

If it were up to Cindy, she would have gladly traded Jesse or Amy for Casey's spot in jail IMO.

I could conjure up some hatred if I were the parents.


I do feel for all involved, really. I guess the point is that perhaps some who have strong feelings of anger towards Cindy, actually identify with her in some way. Maybe they are her age, or have grandchildren like Caylee. I'm not sure, but she definitely incites hatred in some, as we have seen evidenced on television.

I agree that she has made mistakes as they relate to this situation, and of course she is wrong to implicate others, but for me, her loss overshadows those mistakes.

[rj1212]

To paraphrase a great line from Legally Blonde, "Dare to hope, rj, dare to hope." :lol:

I hear ya...I need to heed that tidbit of info! :rolleyes:

[Neffy]

So Sorry my agreeing with you is so important.
I've never flown with the swarm.

Bwaahhahahahaha! Now where did you get this? Am I on candid camera? This is a joke right?

[dixie77]

yep, one of her associates could have dressed up in a cute little Nanny suit, called herself Zanny the Nanny, and
i agree that Casey was supporting herself OTHER than robbing her friends and family blind.
===============

Casey didnt steal large amounts of money. So she had to be getting money somewhere.

[Pocha]

IIRC she said Caylee was her "best" mistake.

<snip>
Right.
When Casey's ex-boyfriend Jesse was on the Nancy Grace show he said the he had suggested that Casey put the unborn baby up for adoption and Casey refused to even consider doing it.

Where is the idea that Casey was forced by Cindy to have Caylee coming from?

[coffee1950j]

since he saw it from the road so it had to be close to see from the road , then someone failed miserably at their job

snipped for length

He did NOT see it from the road. That blue tarp you see in the pics was NOT where the bag was found. It was 45-50 feet into the woods, under all the brush, per the Sheriff. I've attached the sheriff's statements. I went looking for the reporter's statement that said the same thing about the tarp, but I can't find it.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18256026/index.html

[VII]

These are my replys back to inciteful posts , read back ---------seems noone is taking care of the ones who start the slinging , so I must defend myself . I simply stated my opinons on LE lack of due care and duty and got slammed with inciteful posts .

I've watched it all unfold, 2theWALL ...
Your first mistake was not flying with the swarm.
Your second mistake was trying to wade through the inciteful posts to read those who appeared interested in your observation.
s'okay.
You do make a POINT and there ARE unanswered questions about LE not working this promptly and ABSOLUTELY ruling out any suspicious bag found on the side of the road, in a swamp.
btw, I found the :w00t: SNAKE :w00t: excuse rather lame, myself.

[Findtheperp]

In support of Mr. Kronk and of LE... I live here in Fl and have for some years.. you don't just venture into overgrowth, high grass..woods,, unless you absolutely have to w/ protection.. When I lived up north (OHIO), no amount of woods or brush or water would hold me back from hiking.. or exploring.. here in FL it certainly does..:scared: there are so many critters and creatures ( gators, snakes, fire ants, spiders, giant mosquitos, panthers to name a few ) in wooded, wetlands and grassy areas that scare and prevent me from even owning a home with a lawn. I live in a condo and was attacked by fire ants simply by walking in short nearby grass... Don't blame LE a bit and give kudo's to Mr. Kronk for his courage to investigate...and finally find Caylee.. and to all the searchers who put their well being at risk....

JMO....

For Caylee:rose:

[MrsHudson]

Speaking for myself only, its not a necessity, its a preference. A preference against the kicking of someone when they are down. Some people prefer not to do that.

One might ask why its necessary for you to demand an explanation why someone feels the way they do?

They are not here. They don't know they are being kicked. We are just talking among ourselves here. I would assume they have other things to do than to read message boards. They don't know you're defending them either. We just want to talk about it and frankly I hope you are not trying to get us to stop because of course we won't stop.

I gather you are saying that you have a rule in your head that others should not talk among themselves about the Anthonys at this time. That's YOUR rule of course and no one has to abide by it but you.

So if what we are talking about does not comport with your rule, there is always the ignore function.

[Carol25]

I believe that for Cindy, when she realized that Caylee was missing and the car smelled like a dead body....that the door to the thought of Caylee being dead was truly shut. Shut for a long time.

But not as long as some would like to believe.

But George made the connection. He was just praying it wasn't true.

Once the cadaver dogs found evidence of a decomposing body in the backyard, you saw Cindy's reaction in court. She held her head and just shook it "No!" But it was there now. She knew.

And so did George.

Then from that point on, they obstructed. For Casey. They knew she didn't go to Jacksonville. They knew there was no nanny. They knew who killed their granddaughter.

"I'm not going to lose her, too!"

[bchand]

Right.
When Casey's ex-boyfriend Jesse was on the Nancy Grace show he said the he had suggested that Casey put the unborn baby up for adoption and Casey refused to even consider doing it.

Where is the idea that Casey was forced by Cindy to have Caylee coming from?

It came from Casey's friend Kiomarie J Torres Cruz IIRC.

[ccnsd]

Lots of reading on that last thread. Lets continue here, a refreshing new thread. :biggrin:

[Pocha]

Probably the message boards. Another rumor that took on a life of its own.'Thank you.
Whew.
I was worried that I was misunderstanding something.

[rj1212]

I just haven't seen they did nothing like what you accuse them of.

It's not what I accuse them of...it's what we all know to be the case from Cindy, George, and obviously Casey concerning the lies...please investigate the statements of the Anthony's in this case...from beginning until most recent please...

[MrsHudson]

Why cant $makesyoucuter talk amongst you.. or yourself.

What? :confused:

[VII]

Good Grief "aided and Abetted this murder" :w00t: Who said that? I certainly didn't. Feel free to try again.

I gave my "complete control" description also. No where near what you've twisted it into either.

IIRC, you, yourself, alluded to one of the A's aiding and abetting Casey in the murder of Caylee in your answer to question #1 posed by funkyflower.
Your answer was "yes"
was it not?

[Neffy]

In support of Mr. Kronk and of LE... I live here in Fl and have for some years.. you don't just venture into overgrowth, high grass..woods,, unless you absolutely have to w/ protection.. When I lived up north (OHIO), no amount of woods or brush or water would hold me back from hiking.. or exploring.. here in FL it certainly does..:scared: there are so many critters and creatures ( gators, snakes, fire ants, spiders, giant mosquitos, panthers to name a few ) in wooded, wetlands and grassy areas that scare and prevent me from even owning a home with a lawn. I live in a condo and was attacked by fire ants simply by walking in short nearby grass... Don't blame LE a bit and give kudo's to Mr. Kronk for his courage to investigate...and finally find Caylee.. and to all the searchers who put their well being at risk....

JMO....

For Caylee:rose:

Well said ITA! When I was younger and visited relatives down there I was ALWAYS warned of the dangers. I am from Ohio and that's exactly what they'd say, YOUR NOT IN OHIO ANYMORE LOL

[MrsHudson]

Of course not, Mrs.Hudson. You are free to express your opinions. No one is trying to stop you.

Yeah sure.

[Oregongal]

My only ~beef~ with MeterReaderDude is
WHY didn't he stay on the scene in the August calls,
JUST as he did in the December call
and SHOW them what he was talking about.
I mean, c'MON, if you were THAT suspicious,
and he obviously was to keep going back ...
WHY would you NOT stay there until LE arrived?
has he answered that?
j/c

VII, he didn't stay in Aug. because he was on the job. He most likely thought he'd given enought info for LE to be able to see what he saw.
I was obvious to me that unless he'd left a marker for them, they most likely did not know exactly the point on that numberless road he was referring to. His description to the dispatcher was vague, but the best he could describe without an address to lock onto. Look at the pics of that area, it's nothing but overgrown folige.
He stayed in Dec. because he had found and seen a little skull. The fact that he called his dispatcher says to me he may have also asked for permission to be able to stay until LE arrived.
I think it's been talked about many times already, but it has also been reported that he was reassigned to a diff area between Aug and Dec.
He was then reassigned back to this area in Dec. He knew, as we all did, Caylee hadn't been found yet. He found himself back in the area for his job and most likely thought, well, I'm here, might as well go check again. He did and he found Caylee's skull.
I myself find nothing suspicious in his actions considering everything...he had been reassigned to somewhere else, it wasn't as if he was there all the time. He as well as all of Orlando was affected by Hurricane Fey that roared thru just after his Aug calls. He possibly had other things in his real life to deal with and possibly thought then that whatever he saw may be gone.
He could have just gone on doing his job, never checked again and Caylee would still be out there. But, he didn't, he remembered, he cared and took that one little extra step he didn't have to take.
Suspicious? Not in my eyes, he went above and beyond.

[ccnsd]

Moooving on over to the new thread. Come one, come all[/B][/B]:smile:

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12588819#post12588819

[5boxersmom]

I think a lot of confusion with the MR, the 911 operator and the LE who responded was thinking the area had been searched and cleared by cadaver dogs. Was it? I do not know. If pesticides were sprayed on the bag that could probably throw the dogs off. Was the water knee high in August? According to the video by Gail St. John, the psychic it was.

We do not even know if the MR saw the same thing each time. He may have just had a feeling about the area and kept looking. I thought the area was suspicious after reading Kiomarie's statement,but for some reason I thought it was behind the school.

imo

[Carol25]

Remember when Cindy said Casey was her best friend. That in itself is sad, but when you add to that Caylee being her sunshine, wow.

Maybe Cindy has been struggling for a reason to live Her two reasons, one is gone and is is slowly slipping away. She's trying to stop it and nothing will stop her from trying.

I'm not trying to give her a reason for sympathy. Perhaps an explanation for the extremely bizarre behavior.

And George, just what can he do, but hold her hand? Ack! Ugliness!

[Neffy]

IIRC, you, yourself, alluded to one of the A's aiding and abetting Casey in the murder of Caylee in your answer to question #1 posed by funkyflower.
Your answer was "yes"
was it not?

NO. I asked you to re-read what I said and that's obviously not going to happen.

Let's say it together, I said:
O B S T R U C T I O N
&
H I N D E R I N G

I've always maintained this and will.

Now let's read the question asked that I responded to:

"Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?"


I put that quote in my post so it would be obvious to what I was answering to.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Atty. may offer reward to Caylee tipster
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8156715&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[ccnsd]

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12588819#post12588819

[Carol25]

a NIce FRESH THREAD. A good idea. Sorry about the caps!

[Findtheperp]

Atty. may offer reward to Caylee tipster
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Carrying over from last thread.. Mr Najame may have some redeeming qualities after all.. JMO.. Didn't have a very good opinion of him before.. JMO

[Neffy]

Heh heh but to blow up the other thread to make her point!

(I see you edited it so you left no aftermath) :)

[VII]

I just haven't seen they did nothing like what you accuse them of.

The only thing I can figure out, nick, is that THEY think Cindy mislead, meaning, she would KNOW that Caylee wasn't really with a Nanny and that she was just a few yards down the road in a double bagged trash bag secured with duct tape ...
THAT is the part I don't get.
I really don't think G and C intentionally mislead.
They were angry that Caylee was gone, that LE jumped right on the "Casey did it" approach, (just as she had previously indicated with her question to Casey "what have you done?"
Smelling the smells, Casey running hither and yon for 31 days, not answering phone calls, staying at arms length
only to have to pick up the car, with the SMELL, locate Casey, then be lied to ....
having the police swarming your house, camera's stuck in your face at every move ...
Casey sitting in YOUR house out on bail w/her atty telling her NOT to talk to anyone ...
having Baez and LP and crew all in your house....
having protesters standing in your yard calling YOU names ...
Threatening YOU (and there were some very vicious/red-necks)
yeah...
I can imagine everything would be crystal clear.
I wouldn't have felt the need to defend myself at all.
If you go BACK in the media coverage, the first few tapes G and C appear to be trying to digest the information as well as anyone in their situation.
It was after things kept piling up with the above mentioned, day in and day OUT, that their defenses became more ...
aggressive.

I truly canNOT imagine.

[Neffy]

Atty. may offer reward to Caylee tipster
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Carrying over from last thread.. Mr Najame may have some redeeming qualities after all.. JMO.. Didn't have a very good opinion of him before.. JMO

You know I didn't either. May wonders never cease.

[Motomom]

Lots of reading on that last thread. Lets continue here, a refreshing new thread. :biggrin:

Evening everyone.. Been a few days, I feel so far behind and really miss an updated links thread on the holiday forum..but I will survive :biggrin: I'm just going to jump in and maybe go back and read the last thread, if not I'll follow along.. Did want to ask an opinion though. It's been speculated that maybe Casey was going to off the parents.. So I got a new book for Christmas.. How to make a serial killer.. Good book so far and has fbi criteria, then the killers are given a ranking. Basically nature vs nurture. Course it got me to thinking about casey and I started wondering if she would have killed again if given the chance? Over time, if she had been able to keep the murder of her daughter a secret, does anyone think she would have killed again? They have to start somewhere, I don't believe this was an accident, I believe poor Caylee just got in her way of her life..so she took her out.. was just wondering what others opinions were. Hope you all enjoyed your holidays.

[Mimi428]

ITA, I also wonder the " what ifs" They should of stopped that girl along time ago. Just maybe it would of save Caylee's life.

Casey is a stone cold psychopath. NOTHING would be of any particular consequence to her. Yes, she could have been prosecuted for the stealing, she possibly would have done time for it. Then she would be back & she would move on to the next crime. The senior Anthonys would have gotten temporary custody of Caylee while she was incarcerated, but it is the goal of child services to reunite parents to children & Caylee would have been given back to her. So her parents don't let her stay in their house - so what? She would still have Caylee, she could still do anything in the world to harm that child.

I don't know if there will ever be any definitive background information for the family, but if there ever is, I would be willing to bet money that it will reveal that LONG before Casey was the age to have been accountable, she lied with impunity & cared NOTHING for whatever consequences or punishments were handed to her.

So when do you kick a kid like that out? Age 7? 12? 16? When?

Just as there are degrees of every other malady known to mankind, there are degrees of psychopathy. I'm certainly not an expert, but I really can't recall hearing or reading about ANYONE who has shown the extreme degree of frightening rationalization that Casey has shown. It is terrifying to contemplate that she was not fazed in the slightest, she had no fear, she showed not an ounce of anxiety, not an iota of empathy. She just smoothly & nonchalantly tells one lie after another after another. She has no concept of the agony she has caused & she never will. She has learned to mimic how people with normal feelings behave, but she has never felt love, loyalty, empathy or any other tender emotion. She wants what she wants. She is annoyed, resentful, angry & then full of rage when others get in her way or when she is thwarted.

JMO

[MrsHudson]

Remember when Cindy said Casey was her best friend. That in itself is sad, but when you add to that Caylee being her sunshine, wow.

Maybe Cindy has been struggling for a reason to live Her two reasons, one is gone and is is slowly slipping away. She's trying to stop it and nothing will stop her from trying.

I'm not trying to give her a reason for sympathy. Perhaps an explanation for the extremely bizarre behavior.

And George, just what can he do, but hold her hand? Ack! Ugliness!


They screwed up so bad! It was terrible the way they lied. NeJames begged them to listen to him and he would handle it. They did not listen so he quit. Now its a big mess and ALL the A's need lawyers. It was stupid.

What they need to do now is tell the truth, the whole truth, and nothing but the truth and let the jury decide. WHICH WAS THEIR DUTY IN THE FIRST PLACE REGARDLESS OF THE CIRCUMSTANCES. How can anyone dispute that? It defies logic for anyone to say that telling the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth would not have been the best course of action for all involved (expect Casey.)

Then whatever the jury decides the A's should go away back to their obscure lives like 99.9 of victims do. I'll will finally admire them if they do that.

[suzanne]

May I please ask did the dogs search inside the house and didn't hit on anything?

[Neffy]

Evening everyone.. Been a few days, I feel so far behind and really miss an updated links thread on the holiday forum..but I will survive :biggrin: I'm just going to jump in and maybe go back and read the last thread, if not I'll follow along.. Did want to ask an opinion though. It's been speculated that maybe Casey was going to off the parents.. So I got a new book for Christmas.. How to make a serial killer.. Good book so far and has fbi criteria, then the killers are given a ranking. Basically nature vs nurture. Course it got me to thinking about casey and I started wondering if she would have killed again if given the chance? Over time, if she had been able to keep the murder of her daughter a secret, does anyone think she would have killed again? They have to start somewhere, I don't believe this was an accident, I believe poor Caylee just got in her way of her life..so she took her out.. was just wondering what others opinions were. Hope you all enjoyed your holidays.

"How to make a serial killer" I'm not sure if this is something you show your family or hide from they :)

Another rage/life interference killing (my take on this) I wouldn't rule out should she had gotten away with this one. I think Casey is a dangerous person and will do whatever to get what she wants or to get rid of what she doesn't.

[Findtheperp]

I would bet Casey never would have said Cindy was her best friend before what she (Cindy) said and did to cover up what happened to Caylee.. JMO..

[suzanne]

Also do the police feel Caylee died inside or out side of the house?

[5boxersmom]

May I please ask did the dogs search inside the house and didn't hit on anything?

You are always so nice in your asking. No I do not believe the dogs searched the house.

[VII]

NO. I asked you to re-read what I said and that's obviously not going to happen.

Let's say it together, I said:
O B S T R U C T I O N
&
H I N D E R I N G

I've always maintained this and will.

Now let's read the question asked that I responded to:

"Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?"


I put that quote in my post so it would be obvious to what I was answering to.

The first question posed by funkyflower, noted as
#1 = Did any of the Anthony's play a role in the death of Caylee (or something to that effect)
and you answered
YES
the SECOND question was if they helped her by trying to HIDE the FACT that they KNEW she'd killed Caylee ...

I'm not going back to read ....
carry on.
PEACE

[Neffy]

Also do the police feel Caylee died inside or out side of the house?

This hasn't been released.

[StillEG]

anyone see this? This is someone thinking they know why Lee would give his DNA......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ659-HbBqE

Interesting. NOTHING would suprise me at this point.

[Motomom]

"How to make a serial killer" I'm not sure if this is something you show your family or hide from they :)

Another rage/life interference killing (my take on this) I wouldn't rule out should she had gotten away with this one. I think Casey is a dangerous person and will do whatever to get what she wants or to get rid of what she doesn't.

LOL I've already been able to identify one future potential killer..hubby said great.. (he bought the book ) now everyone is going to get ranked and labeled as potentials LOL.. But on Casey's note.. yes, good one another life interference could have led her to kill again. That's what I was thinking would do it.. if only she'd been able to keep the pesky death of the baby quiet..had she taken of to CA as some have speculated..it's all very possible.

[Candlelight]

Interesting. NOTHING would suprise me at this point.

did you think he looked the rapist/murder suspect? I did...my husband did too. You are right nothing would surprise me either.....

[suzanne]

You are always so nice in your asking. No I do not believe the dogs searched the house.

Thankyou.I really do not want to offend any one on here.I am just trying to find out what happened.

[Motomom]

Interesting. NOTHING would suprise me at this point.

Does make you wonder. However, if the person who did the video truely felt that it was Lee, they should have contacted LE immediately instead of putting it on youtbe..course that' s JMO.. I didn't read the comments thought to see whether they have or not.

[ccnsd]

Good evening everyone.
This investigation sure is getting interesting. I'm so thankful for the meter reader. It wouldn't have mattered to me who found her, as long as she was found perferably by an adult.
As for the Anthony's...they will have to pay for the rest of their lives here on earth for what they have or haven't done for/to in regards to Casey.
Some posters sure have funny ideas for common sense. :ohmy:

[Neffy]

That youtube clip I'm not even going to quote. That is sheer rumour and really degrading.

[VII]

Casey is a stone cold psychopath. NOTHING would be of any particular consequence to her. Yes, she could have been prosecuted for the stealing, she possibly would have done time for it. Then she would be back & she would move on to the next crime. The senior Anthonys would have gotten temporary custody of Caylee while she was incarcerated, but it is the goal of child services to reunite parents to children & Caylee would have been given back to her. So her parents don't let her stay in their house - so what? She would still have Caylee, she could still do anything in the world to harm that child.

I don't know if there will ever be any definitive background information for the family, but if there ever is, I would be willing to bet money that it will reveal that LONG before Casey was the age to have been accountable, she lied with impunity & cared NOTHING for whatever consequences or punishments were handed to her.

So when do you kick a kid like that out? Age 7? 12? 16? When?

Just as there are degrees of every other malady known to mankind, there are degrees of psychopathy. I'm certainly not an expert, but I really can't recall hearing or reading about ANYONE who has shown the extreme degree of frightening rationalization that Casey has shown. It is terrifying to contemplate that she was not fazed in the slightest, she had no fear, she showed not an ounce of anxiety, not an iota of empathy. She just smoothly & nonchalantly tells one lie after another after another. She has no concept of the agony she has caused & she never will. She has learned to mimic how people with normal feelings behave, but she has never felt love, loyalty, empathy or any other tender emotion. She wants what she wants. She is annoyed, resentful, angry & then full of rage when others get in her way or when she is thwarted.

JMO

:beer:
and with THAT said ...
I shall call it a nite!!

[suzanne]

anyone see this? This is someone thinking they know why Lee didn't want to give his DNA......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ659-HbBqE

Can you please tell me a little bit more about this Orlando rape suspect?Not connecting it to Lee.

[Oregongal]

Okay, I am just going to get it out there in the open.

1.Does anyone here believe that the family of Casey Anthony were involved in the actual murder of this child? If no, then go on to the next question.

2.Do you believe that the family of Casey Anthony have been involved in the intentional coverup of her killing her daughter? if yes, go to the next question.

3.Do you believe it was out of hatred, malice for Caylee Anthony? if no, stop and wait.

4.Explain to me why they would want her dead?


Now, this is the part from #3 I want answered. So you believe they, the PARENTS of Casey covered or hindered her being captured for her crime? Why did her mother call 911? Why did they interview with police? What do you think happen between the 31 days, till the 911 call and then after? Do you think they'll be convicted?

I'm just wondering if and what people are thinking of the Anthony's or if they have just become a face, name and way of letting out the emotions of this case.

Interesting funky....I'll bite.
I stopped and waited on #3.
I do believe they covered and hindered.
Why did Cindy call 911? Because she had no real idea what that 911 call would lead to. They interviewed with the police becuse they had to. I also am remembering all the diversions and blaming of others each...Cindy more than George put out there during those interviews.
I think Casey partied hearty, bought mucho things for herself and her boyfriend, never thought of Caylee after she disposed of her.
As for Cindy, I think by her myspace page she was missing Caylee terribly and trying with the phone calls and texts to Casey to be able to see and/or talk to Caylee.
I think she had about reached her limit of the put offs by Casey that when they brought that death smelling car home, she went ballistic and finally was brought to movement. She was moved to finally DO something. She had found Amy's info in the car and she went from there. She went and dragged her daughter out of her boyfriends apartment and God only knows what went on between them in that car on the way to the closed sheriff's office. Pretty sure tho, Casey kept putting her off. They got home, Cindy had enough and made the calls to 911.
I'm thinking that she did that at first to get Casey to finally stop putting her off and take her to Caylee. When that didn't work, she broke and in that 3rd call her real fear...or knowledge from the smell in the car...was that something bad had happened to Caylee and her facade broke for that brief moment in time.
Between the time of that last frantic call and the time LE arrived she went back into her total controlling self. Before LE did arrive, Cindy knew that fear she had was true and Casey had done something to Caylee and between her, Lee and Casey they came up with some sort of story or plan to put LE off.
I think they may be charged with obstruction and lying to LE after the funeral. But, convicted, no. IMO, they will be granted immunity on the condition that they tell the whole truth and flip on Casey.
I really can't see any of them, Cindy, George or Lee going to jail to continue to protect Casey. They've done all they can so far to do that and obviously it hasn't worked.
They all will go into a 'we love and support Casey, no matter what' mode. And most likely will get alot of mileage out of that as far as media is concerned.
I'm thinking of the whole Anthony family as flawed and dysfunctional humans. I think each of them are selfish in their own way.
I think Caylee was the best thing that ever came their way and her loss will affect them forever more, but they will continue to think of themselves more. I believe they loved Caylee. I believe they will grieve and ask themselves all the what if questions. But, when the rubber hits the road, they will protect themselves, even if it means telling the truth, maybe for the first time in their lives.

[AlohaRainbow]

*snip*... if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them...*snip*

:w00t:

jmo

:huh:
interesting opinion (taking your "jmo" at your word)

[Candlelight]

Does make you wonder. However, if the person who did the video truely felt that it was Lee, they should have contacted LE immediately instead of putting it on youtbe..course that' s JMO.. I didn't read the comments thought to see whether they have or not.

I did not read the quotes either but he did resemble the picture. I have always wondered why he did not want to give his DNA....it has to be because he is afraid of something. I am not saying he is the guy in the photo but why does he not want to give his DNA?????

[MrsHudson]

snipped....
I don't know if there will ever be any definitive background information for the family, but if there ever is, I would be willing to bet money that it will reveal that LONG before Casey was the age to have been accountable, she lied with impunity & cared NOTHING for whatever consequences or punishments were handed to her.

So when do you kick a kid like that out? Age 7? 12? 16? When?

Just as there are degrees of every other malady known to mankind, there are degrees of psychopathy. I'm certainly not an expert, but I really can't recall hearing or reading about ANYONE who has shown the extreme degree of frightening rationalization that Casey has shown. It is terrifying to contemplate that she was not fazed in the slightest, she had no fear, she showed not an ounce of anxiety, not an iota of empathy. She just smoothly & nonchalantly tells one lie after another after another. She has no concept of the agony she has caused & she never will. She has learned to mimic how people with normal feelings behave, but she has never felt love, loyalty, empathy or any other tender emotion. She wants what she wants. She is annoyed, resentful, angry & then full of rage when others get in her way or when she is thwarted.

JMO

Very insightful post. Casey is a fiend. She's macabre. She carried her dead child around in the trunk of her car until she began to decompose and smell. She's a thing out of a horror movie. She will go down as one of the most notorious child killers in modern history. She must go to jail for life for the protection of society.

[5boxersmom]

anyone see this? This is someone thinking they know why Lee didn't want to give his DNA......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ659-HbBqE

Is that the suspect in the joggers murder in Jay Blanchard Park? If so they have also discussed that over on another board.

[suzanne]

This hasn't been released.

Ok,Thank you.

[5boxersmom]

Thankyou.I really do not want to offend any one on here.I am just trying to find out what happened.

You could never offend me. :biggrin:

How is your search for your sister going? Still looking for my cousins wifes body in Fl. also.

[Candlelight]

Is that the suspect in the joggers murder in Jay Blanchard Park? If so they have also discussed that over on another board.

I am not for sure but that was my thinking.

[Neffy]

LOL I've already been able to identify one future potential killer..hubby said great.. (he bought the book ) now everyone is going to get ranked and labeled as potentials LOL.. But on Casey's note.. yes, good one another life interference could have led her to kill again. That's what I was thinking would do it.. if only she'd been able to keep the pesky death of the baby quiet..had she taken of to CA as some have speculated..it's all very possible.

Hubby's response - ROFL!

I remember reading the CA speculation and they had some pretty compelling arguments. It reminded me of that baby Riley murder. Not the murder itself but the time frame. The only thing Baby Riley had going for her to be noticed missing is she still had a father with legal rights who was looking for her. Grandmother played a big part in getting that solved also.

Caylee's grandparents had no legal rights and had Casey went cross country I couldn't imagine how long it would have taken to bring justice to Caylee.

[enigma]

Atty. may offer reward to Caylee tipster
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=1.1.1

Carrying over from last thread.. Mr Najame may have some redeeming qualities after all.. JMO.. Didn't have a very good opinion of him before.. JMO

I did... He had the integrity to resign as the A's attorney and didn't hedge about the reasons for his decision. I respect that.

His reported offer of a reward for Mr Kronk only serves to underline his stance with respect to the Anthonys' behaviour and his desire to distance himself from it.

I really like his comment about why he thinks Mr Kronk deserves a reward:

"When asked why Kronk deserved the reward, NeJame said, "I think Kronk is beyond deserving. Without him, who knows when Caylee would have been found?""
http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

When, indeed, or even IF...

JMHO

[Candlelight]

I did... He had the integrity to resign as the A's attorney and didn't hedge about the reasons for his decision. I respect that.

His reported offer of a reward for Mr Kronk only serves to underline his stance with respect to the Anthonys' behaviour and his desire to distance himself from it.

I really like his comment about why he thinks Mr Kronk deserves a reward:

"When asked why Kronk deserved the reward, NeJame said, "I think Kronk is beyond deserving. Without him, who knows when Caylee would have been found?""
http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html

When, indeed, or even IF...

JMHO
ITA!! I did not like him at first but he has gained my respect...

[Motomom]

I did not read the quotes either but he did resemble the picture. I have always wondered why he did not want to give his DNA....it has to be because he is afraid of something. I am not saying he is the guy in the photo but why does he not want to give his DNA?????

Well I don't know and I don't understand why he didn't want to give his DNA. If you have nothing to hide, hide nothing. However, I imagine it's a scary thing?? Maybe? IDK, never had to give DNA for anything.

As far as the photo and Lee, the resemblence IMO comes from the eyebrows..pretty distint. Granted, it's just a sketch so it is not going to match identical even if it were him. I would like to know more about that suspect just out of curiosity though, was he labeled as a white man?

I don't know why someone would put that online though like that. I woudl think they could get into trouble for that no? Maybe not..

LE did end up getting the DNA though and it could have been just as simple as Lee wanting to be an azznoozle to the cops..

[bchand]

I keep getting bumped off line. I've posted the source of Lee's interview with LE several times in this thread today. bchand, I KNOW that is not Lee's verbatim QUOTE. I did not intend for you to take it to be so. I gave the source. The issue of Casey's mistake as Cindy called it was an ongoing source of ill-will between the two women.

I believe to some extent it is why this baby was murdered. spite. Casey even called herself a spiteful b!tch to her brother as per that interview Lee had with LE investigating this case.

It must have been quite a while ago because I don't even remember discussing Lee's interview with you. I'll have to go back and search.

[Candlelight]

Well I don't know and I don't understand why he didn't want to give his DNA. If you have nothing to hide, hide nothing. However, I imagine it's a scary thing?? Maybe? IDK, never had to give DNA for anything.

As far as the photo and Lee, the resemblence IMO comes from the eyebrows..pretty distint. Granted, it's just a sketch so it is not going to match identical even if it were him. I would like to know more about that suspect just out of curiosity though, was he labeled as a white man?

I don't know why someone would put that online though like that. I woudl think they could get into trouble for that no? Maybe not..

LE did end up getting the DNA though and it could have been just as simple as Lee wanting to be an azznoozle to the cops..

Your last sentence has been a thought of mine too. It is just so hard to tell. We all know that Casey was a spiteful you know what....maybe he is just like her?

[suzanne]

You could never offend me. :biggrin:

How is your search for your sister going? Still looking for my cousins wifes body in Fl. also.

Thankyou so much.That was nice to say.Nothing new.The FDLE is suppose to be looking for her again.

[MrsHudson]

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?

:w00t:

jmo

Do you see yourself in Casey? You are mad at her aren't you? :punch:

[Motomom]

You could never offend me. :biggrin:

How is your search for your sister going? Still looking for my cousins wifes body in Fl. also.

I know we have lots of floridians here, and I don't mean to offend, but is there typically alot of crime down there? Or just in certain areas?? I always hear brevard and broward county and theres another one that I always seem to hear about..

Anyways, boxersmom, I didn't know you were looking for your cousins wifes body..how sad.. and the op has a missing sister?? i don't know how people cope. We have a missing 25 yr old, maybe a little younger..boat capsized and they haven't been able to find him, the other 3 were able to make it to land, but they are still looking for this young man and it's been weeks now. Anyways.. sorry for the OT..

I am always looking for something suspicious, but that's just my nature I guess. I always have my nose opened up too going past wooded areas around here. How anyone could do what Casey did is dispicable. How do you throw a little body in the trash like that?? I'll never understand.

[MrsHudson]

Originally Posted by MalloryCat View Post

Hilarious, actually in reality if you get so mad about someones actions, it because you identify with them, so I think everyone mad at the Anthonys sees themselves in them to an extent, isn't it awesome we all are entitled to our opinions and thoughts?
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Do you see yourself in Casey? You are mad at her aren't you?
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MrsHudson
just my opinion

[Motomom]

Hubby's response - ROFL!

I remember reading the CA speculation and they had some pretty compelling arguments. It reminded me of that baby Riley murder. Not the murder itself but the time frame. The only thing Baby Riley had going for her to be noticed missing is she still had a father with legal rights who was looking for her. Grandmother played a big part in getting that solved also.

Caylee's grandparents had no legal rights and had Casey went cross country I couldn't imagine how long it would have taken to bring justice to Caylee.


Yes Neffy, was kind of my opinion as well. had she taken off and then claimed Caylee died, brought back ashes.. with the covering up and the lieing the Anthony's have done to this point..heck, she could have told them she died accidently and they may have covered for her.. Idk..Justice would have been a long time coming IF ever..

[Oregongal]

In support of Mr. Kronk and of LE... I live here in Fl and have for some years.. you don't just venture into overgrowth, high grass..woods,, unless you absolutely have to w/ protection.. When I lived up north (OHIO), no amount of woods or brush or water would hold me back from hiking.. or exploring.. here in FL it certainly does..:scared: there are so many critters and creatures ( gators, snakes, fire ants, spiders, giant mosquitos, panthers to name a few ) in wooded, wetlands and grassy areas that scare and prevent me from even owning a home with a lawn. I live in a condo and was attacked by fire ants simply by walking in short nearby grass... Don't blame LE a bit and give kudo's to Mr. Kronk for his courage to investigate...and finally find Caylee.. and to all the searchers who put their well being at risk....

JMO....

For Caylee:rose:

Thank you Find, well said.

[5boxersmom]

I know we have lots of floridians here, and I don't mean to offend, but is there typically alot of crime down there? Or just in certain areas?? I always hear brevard and broward county and theres another one that I always seem to hear about..

Anyways, boxersmom, I didn't know you were looking for your cousins wifes body..how sad.. and the op has a missing sister?? i don't know how people cope. We have a missing 25 yr old, maybe a little younger..boat capsized and they haven't been able to find him, the other 3 were able to make it to land, but they are still looking for this young man and it's been weeks now. Anyways.. sorry for the OT..

I am always looking for something suspicious, but that's just my nature I guess. I always have my nose opened up too going past wooded areas around here. How anyone could do what Casey did is dispicable. How do you throw a little body in the trash like that?? I'll never understand.

I don't know about crime stats down in FL. I am in Ohio. My cousins wife moved down there after he was killed in a car accident. She disappeared in 2004. A man was convicted of her murder. Got life. Still no body though. Suzanne has been looking for her sister a long time.

I am a suspicious person also. I don't know how Casey could do that. I will never understand it.

[MrsHudson]

Interesting. NOTHING would suprise me at this point.

Is it me or does the suspect look like a person of color?

[Mimi428]

Evening everyone.. Been a few days, I feel so far behind and really miss an updated links thread on the holiday forum..but I will survive :biggrin: I'm just going to jump in and maybe go back and read the last thread, if not I'll follow along.. Did want to ask an opinion though. It's been speculated that maybe Casey was going to off the parents.. So I got a new book for Christmas.. How to make a serial killer.. Good book so far and has fbi criteria, then the killers are given a ranking. Basically nature vs nurture. Course it got me to thinking about casey and I started wondering if she would have killed again if given the chance? Over time, if she had been able to keep the murder of her daughter a secret, does anyone think she would have killed again? They have to start somewhere, I don't believe this was an accident, I believe poor Caylee just got in her way of her life..so she took her out.. was just wondering what others opinions were. Hope you all enjoyed your holidays.


Some kind of a book!!!

I believe with all my heart that if Casey had not been arrested, she certainly had/has the capacity to kill someone else. However, I do not think she would go looking for someone to kill. I do not believe she is the sort who kills just to see what it is like. I think she got rid of Caylee because, in her mind, Caylee did & always would get in the way of what Casey thought she, herself, wanted & deserved.

I believe if Casey had run out of money, been completely shunned by all her acquaintances, had no guy to shack up with, had not one to conveniently steal from, she would have moved on to figuring out a way to get rid of her parents & get their house & any assets they had. If she wanted enough of what her parents HAD - a house, money, cars, things - she would have had no compunction whatsoever to get rid of them.

I think it is only because she is entirely too lazy & unmotivated toward working towards any longterm goal that she tolerated her parents. As long as she perceived that they would continue to be a source of money, or anything else should could take, she tolerated them. When she came to the conclusion that it was too much of a hassle for her to deal with them, that they would work to prevent her from doing what she wanted, she moved on to TonE's place.

JMO

[bchand]

You replied to one of my posts about Lee's interview. Thread's too long and it's closing anyway. Doesn't matter.

Ok, I just did a search of all of my posts tonight and don't see it.

[MrsHudson]

That youtube clip I'm not even going to quote. That is sheer rumour and really degrading.

Really way out there. Not good to do that.

[bchand]

That youtube clip I'm not even going to quote. That is sheer rumour and really degrading.

It does seem like a lawsuit waiting to happen doesn't it Neffy?

[Oregongal]

Thanks for the new thread. Altho, I did write a couple of great posts on the last thread.....:biggrin:
I always enjoy a fresh new thread.
:thumbup:

[Duckaroo]

I will never understand either..especially so when it's a Parent, a MOTHER..to have carried this little life around for 9 month's, then to have given birth to her.. This precious little person who looked to her to protect and love her..who I'm sure looked at her with nothing but unconditional love for her, Casey, her Mommy..in her beautiful little eyes. To hear a sweet little voice utter the words.."I love you Mommy" is probably the most awesome, heart-warming, wonderful gift I can think of on this earth. How anyone could do any harm to or destroy that..I will never ever understand it.

[Neffy]

Is it me or does the suspect look like a person of color?

There are such nuts out there just trying to stir the pot. For all we know that's a pic drawn to try and resemble Lee. It's pretty generic looking. I mean there is nothing to validate it whatsoever. FBI photo, what area he's from, where crimes occured , nuttin!

I think it's a sick hoax presented the way it is.

Back to your question Mrs. Hudson. A person of Color, Tan (it is florida) , Hispanic, Italian. Like I said so generic.

[Neffy]

It does seem like a lawsuit waiting to happen doesn't it Neffy?

Without a doubt!
Pretty cruel!

[Oregongal]

anyone see this? This is someone thinking they know why Lee didn't want to give his DNA......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ659-HbBqE

I hadn't seen this, I only check out youtube when someone points me to it.
Is that a composite sketch of a suspected rapist? And is this sketch being compared to Lee A?
:confused:
This could be considered as rumor starting Candle.
Just saying.
:wink:

[gaelicpeas]

Mrs Hudson, I wasn't sure how to quote you from the last thread to this one - but in the earlier thread, you said something about you would be content to see Cindy and George resuming a normal life.

Unfortunately, in their first statement via their attorney following the positive ID of Caylee's remains, there were at least 3 references to Caylee being a spokesperson for missing children. Three statements out of maybe 10 sentences. IMO, they want to continue in that role.

[MrsHudson]

There are such nuts out there just trying to stir the pot. For all we know that's a pic drawn to try and resemble Lee. It's pretty generic looking. I mean there is nothing to validate it whatsoever. FBI photo, what area he's from, where crimes occured , nuttin!

I think it's a sick hoax presented the way it is.

Back to your question Mrs. Hudson. A person of Color, Tan (it is florida) , Hispanic, Italian. Like I said so generic.

Yep. I agree wit cha!

[Candlelight]

I hadn't seen this, I only check out youtube when someone points me to it.
Is that a composite sketch of a suspected rapist? And is this sketch being compared to Lee A?
:confused:
This could be considered as rumor starting Candle.
Just saying.
:wink:

Thanks for letting me know. I did not create the video nor endorse it. I just found it very interesting. I can understaqnd what you are saying. Thank you.

[suzanne]

Is it me or does the suspect look like a person of color?

Yes,I think he looked a little darker complected.

[funkyflower]

I just read back through it all and thank you all for answering my questions.

After reading it all, I don't believe, with the evidence we currently have, that the Anthony's are guilty of being more than sick. If OJ's friends get off, than I'd be suprised they get convicted, unless they get less than they wanted for Casey and try them.

Its a sick household. Man o man, its sick.

[Oregongal]

Yes I believe she would have killed again repeatedly if not stopped. I think there's no one thing for the why. I think it's multi-layered. One reason jumped out when I read Lee's interview with LE. Casey said I'm a spiteful b!tch and Lee said there was ongoing ill will between Cindy and Casey.

My feeling is that Casey wouldn't be a serial killer. But, I can see her, if she wasn't in jail and had gotten away with killing Caylee, she may have eventually offed her parents.
Some of the things that have come out, including the computer searches, her stories to Amy about getting the Ant's house have made me think that if it came to it, she would at least attempt to kill G & C to get what she wouldn't be able to get from them directly. Even if was just freedom from them. Not to mention maybe insurance money, the house, the belongings, the cars.
Of course, going further, she would most likely have to kill Lee as well since he most likely as the oldest would be the initial inheritor.
Casey wants. Casey doesn't get. Casey does something to get what she wants. And I don't doubt another and maybe another and another murder would be anything but a way for her to get what she wants.
Cindy to this day may not recognize the hatred Casey has for her. And I think she also has hatred for George as well.
If it finally came to a point....forgetting that she's already killed Caylee....she wouldn't hesitate to kill them.
George and Cindy may never even realize that Caylee may just have saved their lives with her death. They may never realize that Casey being in jail is the best thing that could have happened for them.
I don't however think she would murder outside of her own family.
But, hey, she's only 22, God only knows how far she may have gone.
The experts do say the first murder is the hardest, the rest come easy.

[MrsHudson]

Mrs Hudson, I wasn't sure how to quote you from the last thread to this one - but in the earlier thread, you said something about you would be content to see Cindy and George resuming a normal life.

Unfortunately, in their first statement via their attorney following the positive ID of Caylee's remains, there were at least 3 references to Caylee being a spokesperson for missing children. Three statements out of maybe 10 sentences. IMO, they want to continue in that role.

No doubt about it in my opinion. They've probably burned their bridges for future employment in their chosen fields, what with all the brawling in the front yard, the lying and the outrageous comments,"Casey will be mother of the year." So what's left but to press ahead and build upon the publicity they have become used to? (Even though most of it is bad publicity. A fact which seems totally lost on them. Zoom! Right over their heads.)

Won't it be bizzare? Won't it be so Anthony-like? Their daughter in prison for murdering their grandchild and yet they will tout Caylee as the "Patron Saint of Missing Children. " Oh there's other kids missing but that picture of Caylee on the couch....it's golden. Yep Caylee is kind of, oh how should I put it, first among equals maybe? What about Casey? Ah they'll still insist she's innocent but they'll keep that kind of in the background. Yep. Personal appearances, shaking hands, speeches, collecting for the foundation.

It will be surreal. Mourning is over. Time to make money.

[Oregongal]

Thanks for letting me know. I did not create the video nor endorse it. I just found it very interesting. I can understaqnd what you are saying. Thank you.

YW Candle. Just don't want you suddenly missing from the board due to a time out or ban.
:wub:

[nc1948]

Mrs Hudson, I wasn't sure how to quote you from the last thread to this one - but in the earlier thread, you said something about you would be content to see Cindy and George resuming a normal life.

Unfortunately, in their first statement via their attorney following the positive ID of Caylee's remains, there were at least 3 references to Caylee being a spokesperson for missing children. Three statements out of maybe 10 sentences. IMO, they want to continue in that role.

I cannot find link now, I have looked. But I thought I remembered their lawyer asking us/new media to please leave the alone. But the part that got me, I thought I remembered him saying something to the effect of "they will decide when they will start the grieving process" Does anyone remember this. At the time I remember thinking , wow, I wish I could have decided when to mourn my husbands death, I would definitely have put it off for as long as possible. Just did not make sense.

[MrsHudson]

Yes I believe she would have killed again repeatedly if not stopped. I think there's no one thing for the why. I think it's multi-layered. One reason jumped out when I read Lee's interview with LE. Casey said I'm a spiteful b!tch and Lee said there was ongoing ill will between Cindy and Casey.

I sometimes wonder what REALLY happened to Caylee's daddy. Know what I mean?

[nc1948]

I sometimes wonder what REALLY happened to Caylee's daddy. Know what I mean?

Interesting thought. I have always questioned what would have happened if Cindy had waited the one day Casey asked for before calling 911.

[Motomom]

Interesting thought. I have always questioned what would have happened if Cindy had waited the one day Casey asked for before calling 911.

I sometimes wonder if that were the case, if Cindy gave her one more day, I don't think we would have heard about Caylee at all. I wonder.. Then also, Casey would have taken that as her que and disappeared. She'd have been outta there!!

[MrsHudson]

I cannot find link now, I have looked. But I thought I remembered their lawyer asking us/new media to please leave the alone. But the part that got me, I thought I remembered him saying something to the effect of "they will decide when they will start the grieving process" Does anyone remember this. At the time I remember thinking , wow, I wish I could have decided when to mourn my husbands death, I would definitely have put it off for as long as possible. Just did not make sense.

Nothing they do makes any sense at all. They should tell the truth to LE, let the jury decide what to do about Casey, then go away.

[nc1948]

i sometimes wonder if that were the case, if cindy gave her one more day, i don't think we would have heard about caylee at all. i wonder.. Then also, casey would have taken that as her que and disappeared. She'd have been outta there!!


ita ..........

[MrsHudson]

Interesting thought. I have always questioned what would have happened if Cindy had waited the one day Casey asked for before calling 911.

I think they would have never turned Casey in if she confessed to them what she did. I just have no reason to believe that they would have turned her in based on their behavior to date.

[MrsHudson]

MsHudson words things so poetically. You sound like a female Dominick Dunne. He's one of my favorites, especially how he waxes poetic in describing cases w/their cast of characters.

With some $'$ the game

Me????? Oh gosh that's really a good compliment! Thank you.

I just like to get down to the core of the subject and apply common sense to it, then describe it in no uncertain terms. Ambiguity is not my friend. :wink:

[gaelicpeas]

No doubt about it in my opinion. They've probably burned their bridges for future employment in their chosen fields, what with all the brawling in the front yard, the lying and the outrageous comments,"Casey will be mother of the year." So what's left but to press ahead and build upon the publicity they have become used to? (Even though most of it is bad publicity. A fact which seems totally lost on them. Zoom! Right over their heads.)

Won't it be bizzare? Won't it be so Anthony-like? Their daughter in prison for murdering their grandchild and yet they will tout Caylee as the "Patron Saint of Missing Children. " Oh there's other kids missing but that picture of Caylee on the couch....it's golden. Yep Caylee is kind of, oh how should I put it, first among equals maybe? What about Casey? Ah they'll still insist she's innocent but they'll keep that kind of in the background. Yep. Personal appearances, shaking hands, speeches, collecting for the foundation.

It will be surreal. Mourning is over. Time to make money.

I agree. I just hope there aren't a bunch of whackos that are willing to donate money to them.

[gaelicpeas]

I sometimes wonder what REALLY happened to Caylee's daddy. Know what I mean?
omg... I have been saying that from.. well, day 31...

[MrsHudson]

I agree. I just hope there aren't a bunch of whackos that are willing to donate money to them.

Me too but I think there will be some.

It's just something I don't understand anyway. Why some people feel they have to crusade for this and that because they have become famous victims. Not that it's always bad or anything. Who would think to be critical of John Walsh? It's just not something I would do. I would just go back to my private life. I would not want all that attention. I would want to be left alone.

[Neffy]

I cannot find link now, I have looked. But I thought I remembered their lawyer asking us/new media to please leave the alone. But the part that got me, I thought I remembered him saying something to the effect of "they will decide when they will start the grieving process" Does anyone remember this. At the time I remember thinking , wow, I wish I could have decided when to mourn my husbands death, I would definitely have put it off for as long as possible. Just did not make sense.


Cindy can't/won't accept the fact that Casey is behind this and is probably the reason she can't rightfully morn. Not in her family. She won't let it happen.

You know I'd NEVER accept out of any of my kids mouths after a grandchild was missing for 31 days, all the while trying to get in touch with them during that 31 days the news that a kidnapping had actually taken place 31 one days prior. Never, Never NEVER.

I'd call 911 so fast to tell them to get that child out of my house so fast and to slap a set of cuffs on them it would make your head spin. To cindy somehow that just made sense? Still maintaining it today is my understanding.

I also think because of that fight she faults herself for confronting Casey. I think she's distorted that into I have to find another person to blame this on and it will be none of the family's fault then.

Cindy is another disturbed person but not the same way Casey is. It's a different out of touch with reality way.

She doesn't have the eviless of Casey it's something different.

[MrsHudson]

I agree with many of your thoughts. I don't care for greed. We all need money but there's got to be a line drawn in the sand so to speak. Too many have made it their psudo-god.

Well that's right. I think most people read into that statement they made about Caylee being a guardian angel for missing children that they mean to use her story for future endeavors. I hope I am wrong...time will tell.

[gaelicpeas]

Me too but I think there will be some.

It's just something I don't understand anyway. Why some people feel they have to crusade for this and that because they have become famous victims. Not that it's always bad or anything. Who would think to be critical of John Walsh? It's just not something I would do. I would just go back to my private life. I would not want all that attention. I would want to be left alone.

I understand where you are coming from...

[nc1948]

Cindy can't/won't accept the fact that Casey is behind this and is probably the reason she can't rightfully morn. Not in her family. She won't let it happen.

You know I'd NEVER accept out of any of my kids mouths after a grandchild was missing for 31 days, all the while trying to get in touch with them during that 31 days the news that a kidnapping had actually taken place 31 one days prior. Never, Never NEVER.

I'd call 911 so fast to tell them to get that child out of my house so fast and to slap a set of cuffs on them it would make your head spin. To cindy somehow that just made sense? Still maintaining it today is my understanding.

I also think because of that fight she faults herself for confronting Casey. I think she's distorted that into I have to find another person to blame this on and it will be none of the family's fault then.

Cindy is another disturbed person but not the same way Casey is. It's a different out of touch with reality way.

She doesn't have the eviless of Casey it's something different.

I think Cindys is all about appearances. She has made so many unusual statements (I am not talking about the lies) The Mother of the Year, The House of Anthony, she would have to have sex to be pregnant(she was 7 months pregnant) those type of statement. Plus the staged bedroom of Caylee. Notice difference in Caylees room as each interview is filmed. More and more photos-it is now a shrine. She had gifts on floor one interview showing presents supporters had sent Caylee for Christmas. Cindy says her family is perfect and cannot accept the fact that it is not.

[gaelicpeas]

Oh my gosh. They better start checking into that if they haven't already. Some of the answers about him have been a lil' too snappy/canned for my taste. She could've just said he was killed in the war, but there would've been records or lack thereof in that scenario.

I don't like it when people pretend children have only one parent. As if they were made at the Xerox factory.Yes, if you go through all the interviews of family and friends, there are at least 4 or 5 different stories with regards to Caylee's father. Certainly makes you wonder...

[Neffy]

Well that's right. I think most people read into that statement they made about Caylee being a guardian angel for missing children that they mean to use her story for future endeavors. I hope I am wrong...time will tell.

I couldn't believe they'd chosen their child to be guardian for all. How many kids has this befallen before Caylee. I'm trying to recall ONE just ONE that had ever said this about their own child/grandchild etc.

I found that extremely distasteful and disturbing. It was also used as a segway for their future "spokesperson" careers.

Only if it's everything you should NOT do would I ever think of them in any spokesperson capacity.

[norwood]

omg... I have been saying that from.. well, day 31...

My first thought of who the real daddy was, was that she probably did not really know her self.

Everyone has talked about she is a theif, and yes, we have seen that she steals money. But I have wondered if she was not hooking also. Just a thought.

No job for two years. She stole some money and her parents were basically supporting her but you know she had to have had some money they did not give her.

Just my own thoughts and wonderings.

[MrsHudson]

Cindy can't/won't accept the fact that Casey is behind this and is probably the reason she can't rightfully morn. Not in her family. She won't let it happen.

You know I'd NEVER accept out of any of my kids mouths after a grandchild was missing for 31 days, all the while trying to get in touch with them during that 31 days the news that a kidnapping had actually taken place 31 one days prior. Never, Never NEVER.

I'd call 911 so fast to tell them to get that child out of my house so fast and to slap a set of cuffs on them it would make your head spin. To cindy somehow that just made sense? Still maintaining it today is my understanding.

I also think because of that fight she faults herself for confronting Casey. I think she's distorted that into I have to find another person to blame this on and it will be none of the family's fault then.

Cindy is another disturbed person but not the same way Casey is. It's a different out of touch with reality way.

She doesn't have the eviless of Casey it's something different.

It's natural to think that Cindy is blaming herself because that's what most of us would do. But according to her there's no blame to be placed on anyone in her family. I remember during that tour through her house that she told the reporter that she, George, Lee and Casey would all go to heaven because they had not done anything wrong.

I did not see it myself but I just remember a blogger who did saying that an FBI guy told George that Cindy did not want her perfect image of her family besmirched and she was in full damage control mode. Anyone remember that?

[MrsHudson]

Funny, I have always felt that the hostility directed toward Cindy originates from some sense of familiarity.

I have never been able to conjure up any hatred for these grandparents, only pity.

I stand up for the rule of law. That is why I am hostile to George and Cindy. They have gamed the system and abused it. You think that's okay. I don't.

[gaelicpeas]

My first thought of who the real daddy was, was that she probably did not really know her self.

Everyone has talked about she is a theif, and yes, we have seen that she steals money. But I have wondered if she was not hooking also. Just a thought.

No job for two years. She stole some money and her parents were basically supporting her but you know she had to have had some money they did not give her.

Just my own thoughts and wonderings.
Possibly a hooker, or an escort. I have also thought that, since she apparently had some photographic skills, that she might have been doing some, um, "unsavory" type photography on the side. Just a thought, and JMO.

[enigma]

I cannot find link now, I have looked. But I thought I remembered their lawyer asking us/new media to please leave the alone. But the part that got me, I thought I remembered him saying something to the effect of "they will decide when they will start the grieving process" Does anyone remember this. At the time I remember thinking , wow, I wish I could have decided when to mourn my husbands death, I would definitely have put it off for as long as possible. Just did not make sense.

Yes, I remember that statement, only because I found it so strange, like so many others in this case. That's why I remember a lot of stuff from the very beginning, I guess... LOL

IMO, the A's stopped making sense when they started to repeat Casey's lies and hold them forth as gospel, regardless of all the contradictions, the blatant inventions and distortions and fantastic stories about kidnappers with a shopping list of how to act and for how long, right down to instructions to go to Fusian's, steal money and go shopping....

What sense?

JMHO

[norwood]

Something else I am wondering. How many interviews and interrogations have happened with the Anthony's that we know nothing about and what was asked and answered in them.

I think this trial is going to bring a lot of insight into this whole tragic mess.

Why do some people not get that a child is a treasured gift

[Neffy]

Yes, if you go through all the interviews of family and friends, there are at least 4 or 5 different stories with regards to Caylee's father. Certainly makes you wonder...

Another Anthony family secret which I find creepy. Her answer to LE was she can't remember his name but she has an obit she cut out and it's somewhere.

WTH??

[nc1948]

Something else I am wondering. How many interviews and interrogations have happened with the Anthony's that we know nothing about and what was asked and answered in them.

I think this trial is going to bring a lot of insight into this whole tragic mess.

Why do some people not get that a child is a treasured gift that is to be treasured.

I think that is why so many of us get upset with George, Cindy and Lee. The threw Caylee away to cover for Casey. If Cindy had only said "we believe Caylee was kidnapped and beg the kidnappers to return her, We do not believe our daughter is capable of hurting our grandaughter" Instead, they NEVER asked the kidnappers to return Caylee, they just went into cover for Casey and protect our family image.

[nc1948]

Oh gosh LE has said some things like phone convos have been edited and evidence withheld from public for sake of the integrity of the trial. No doubt.

Baez says we will get a AHA moment. I believe we will, but I believe the prosecution will produce that aha moment not Baez.

[MrsHudson]

In all honesty she was still hangin' around after all THAT time. Do you think it's stupidity? Some people can be reasonably smart in one or more area, but not so bright in others. With her juvenile crime history you'd have thought she would've learned something; at least to flee. Money was no object. She was a thief.

Watching her march around with her lawyer. I do think she fancied herself a type of Paris Hilton wannabe with all the flashing lights and press. I think she liked it and was in another world in all her deceit. Maybe she came to believe some of her own lies she told to herself.

I really hope that after this is all over a good psychoanalyst like Dr. Bethany Marshall will write a book about what makes Casey tick and about her family dynamics.

[norwood]

I think that is why so many of us get upset with George, Cindy and Lee. The threw Caylee away to cover for Casey. If Cindy had only said "we believe Caylee was kidnapped and beg the kidnappers to return her, We do not believe our daughter is capable of hurting our grandaughter" Instead, they NEVER asked the kidnappers to return Caylee, they just went into cover for Casey and protect our family image.


To me, in their attempt to cover for their child (Casey) they, themselves have hindered the search and investigation. How far they went legally is a question that has yet to be answered. If they get on the stand during this trial and continue to lie they are going to be in deep trouble themselves.

My own opinion based on the little we know as fact at this point is that when they realized that Casey had done away with their grandchild they went into cover up mode for their child. I keep remembering Cindy's comment, I can't losed another or her too. Can't remember the exact quote now.

I don't think Casey will ever admit she killed her daughter. People like and Scott Peterson do not admit to their crimes.

To people like Casey, Caylee was just something in her way, an obstacle, to be removed so she could do what she wanted to do.

Scott removed a pregnant Laci because she was an obstacle to the life he wanted to lead.

Just my opinions and thoughts, nothing factual.

[daniel green]

I have not followed this case closely at all but I have been reading your posts tonight and I have a question I hope you would answer for me.

Have the Anthonys gone to visit Casey since the body of their granddaughter, may she RIP, was found?

Thank you very much.

[nc1948]

I really hope that after this is all over a good psychoanalyst like Dr. Bethany Marshall will write a book about what makes Casey tick and about her family dynamics.

I believe there will be several good analysis done of the House of Anthony. But it will be from LE and new interviews. I do not believe Cindy will ever talk without being paid.

[norwood]

I have not followed this case closely at all but I have been reading your posts tonight and I have a question I hope you would answer for me.

Have the Anthonys gone to visit Casey since the body of their granddaughter, may she RIP, was found?

Thank you very much.


They have not gone to visit Casey.

[daniel green]

Ahhhhhhhhhhh, interesting.

Thank you very much for that response!

[Neffy]

It's natural to think that Cindy is blaming herself because that's what most of us would do. But according to her there's no blame to be placed on anyone in her family. I remember during that tour through her house that she told the reporter that she, George, Lee and Casey would all go to heaven because they had not done anything wrong.

I did not see it myself but I just remember a blogger who did saying that an FBI guy told George that Cindy did not want her perfect image of her family besmirched and she was in full damage control mode. Anyone remember that?

I don't recall that but I would believe it. I think Cindy toggles back and forth over blaming herself, Casey then shu's it all out of the House of Anthony to maintain their image. She'll blame it on invisible people or real persons such as Grunde or I think it was Amy also. The 3 that went to P Rico. Talk about reaching with tall tales. Good Grief!

Now that was evil but still not as evil as Casey.

[nc1948]

To me, in their attempt to cover for their child (Casey) they, themselves have hindered the search and investigation. How far they went legally is a question that has yet to be answered. If they get on the stand during this trial and continue to lie they are going to be in deep trouble themselves.

My own opinion based on the little we know as fact at this point is that when they realized that Casey had done away with their grandchild they went into cover up mode for their child. I keep remembering Cindy's comment, I can't losed another or her too. Can't remember the exact quote now.

I don't think Casey will ever admit she killed her daughter. People like and Scott Peterson do not admit to their crimes.

To people like Casey, Caylee was just something in her way, an obstacle, to be removed so she could do what she wanted to do.

Scott removed a pregnant Laci because she was an obstacle to the life he wanted to lead.

Just my opinions and thoughts, nothing factual.

I agree. I do not think Casey will ever confess. I also think there will be so many unanswered questions even when this trial is over. Who was the father, why did she do it, what were Cindy and Lee doing out at 4am when they sneaked out the back door, exactly when did Casey kill Caylee and how.

[nc1948]

I have not followed this case closely at all but I have been reading your posts tonight and I have a question I hope you would answer for me.

Have the Anthonys gone to visit Casey since the body of their granddaughter, may she RIP, was found?

Thank you very much.


As far as I can remember they have not visited her since the last time she was arrested. Her lawyer has, but I do not believe anyone else has.

[daniel green]

As far as I can remember they have not visited her since the last time she was arrested. Her lawyer has, but I do not believe anyone else has.

And that was before the finding of the body, right?

Thank you so very much.

[norwood]

I agree. I do not think Casey will ever confess. I also think there will be so many unanswered questions even when this trial is over. Who was the father, why did she do it, what were Cindy and Lee doing out at 4am when they sneaked out the back door, exactly when did Casey kill Caylee and how.

Yes, there will always be unanswered questions in this case. We can't believe anything that Casey says. Really, I don't think we can believe any of the Anthony's at this point.

There are some facts that will never change and the most important one is that Caylee was killed.

[Neffy]

Baez says we will get a AHA moment. I believe we will, but I believe the prosecution will produce that aha moment not Baez.

Last time I heard his AHA moment he's waiting to reveal still hasn't come thru on the purported tip line he was setting up for any one with any knowledge of Zanny to please come forward.

ROFL. Not funny but it is. I'm still wondering if that was a hoax or if he got blasted for that and it was real and yanked.

Again I'd believe either scenerio.

[??WHATthe??]

I stand up for the rule of law. That is why I am hostile to George and Cindy. They have gamed the system and abused it. You think that's okay. I don't.


ITA... and it is simply amazing that some turn a blind eye to their behavior... simply amazing:rolleyes:

[rosieposett]

Me too but I think there will be some.

It's just something I don't understand anyway. Why some people feel they have to crusade for this and that because they have become famous victims. Not that it's always bad or anything. Who would think to be critical of John Walsh? It's just not something I would do. I would just go back to my private life. I would not want all that attention. I would want to be left alone.

But they are flat broke, I think, and need an income. Their rationalizing is strangers donations will see them thru. I hope no one donates but probably some will. Any money sent to the A's will not be used to find others kids but will be used as the As personal living funds. JMO, of course.

I love your posts, Mrs. Hudson.

[MrsHudson]

I couldn't believe they'd chosen their child to be guardian for all. How many kids has this befallen before Caylee. I'm trying to recall ONE just ONE that had ever said this about their own child/grandchild etc.

I found that extremely distasteful and disturbing. It was also used as a segway for their future "spokesperson" careers.

Only if it's everything you should NOT do would I ever think of them in any spokesperson capacity.

Right. It was a back of the hand to other little missing children. Why aren't they guardian angels? I noticed it right away.

Minor point: Besides that it's just not correct anyway. Caylee does not know what's going on down here. And she's not an angel she's a human. Calling a child an angel means she is sweet and pure not that she is literally an angel.

[gaelicpeas]

Another Anthony family secret which I find creepy. Her answer to LE was she can't remember his name but she has an obit she cut out and it's somewhere.

WTH??
Yep, you would think the father's name would be something you would remember. The whole father thing is really, really hinky to me. JMO

[Katprint]

May I please ask did the dogs search inside the house and didn't hit on anything?
It's hard to know what the dogs smelled, since they can't talk. My personal experience with defending school districts who used drug sniffing dog teams used to search students in central California was that the dogs were worse than useless because they not only did NOT find drugs but they falsely alerted and occasionally bit the students they were sniffing. As far as I could tell, these particular dogs alerted when their handlers thought they ought to alert, which was a terrible problem for the innocent students who were body searched as a result of the false alerts. As a result of the lawsuits filed against the school district, my managing attorney and I prepared and presented a "school safety" presentation that contained 10% suggestions for graffiti reduction and 90% retraining that any future dog sniffer searches must be of lockers, vehicles and bookbags only, NOT the bodies of the students.

I recall reading a newspaper article (I cannot find the link right now) which indicated that one of the dogs was the same one used in the Madeleine McCann case. Given the ambiguity surrounding that case, that is not a ringing endorsement. Quite frankly, I think these big media cases attract dog teams, spokespeople, attorneys, kid finders, etc. of questionable competence who desperately seek the limelight but cannot earn it on the merits. The dog sniffer team that claims to have detected the scent of a cadaver that is no longer present is not nearly as impressive to me as a sniffer dog that actually finds the hidden cadaver or missing person buried in wreakage or explosives hidden in luggage, or whatever.

I am SO GLAD that I can't be arrested and prosecuted for crimes like selling drugs (or murder) based on some dog handler claiming that her dog detected cocaine or heroin (or a cadaver) in my house or car trunk or clothing - despite the complete absence of any such thing.

Seriously, I class sniffer dogs with police detectives' "hunches" when it comes to their reliability. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong, maybe they help, maybe they don't. Certainly they are not infallible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[Neffy]

And that was before the finding of the body, right?

Thank you so very much.

They've stood behind her from afar.

It's my understanding that they're sending notes thru the attorney's.

The Anthony's maintain they don't have any privacy so it's better to not visit.

Uh huh!

[gaelicpeas]

I have not followed this case closely at all but I have been reading your posts tonight and I have a question I hope you would answer for me.

Have the Anthonys gone to visit Casey since the body of their granddaughter, may she RIP, was found?

Thank you very much.

No,they haven't visited her in quite some time.. basically since the July taped visits between Casey and her parents were released to the public.

[Neffy]

I agree. I do not think Casey will ever confess. I also think there will be so many unanswered questions even when this trial is over. Who was the father, why did she do it, what were Cindy and Lee doing out at 4am when they sneaked out the back door, exactly when did Casey kill Caylee and how.

Heck no she won't confess. With all these people backing that bizarre story, Baez, Kinney-Baden, her family H Lee who else Spitz? Granted the "experts" aren't technically backing her and supposed to release their findings but I don't think Casey has a clue about that and views them all as "TEAM CASEY".

[suso3280]

anyone see this? This is someone thinking they know why Lee didn't want to give his DNA......



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JQ659-HbBqE

The suspect is CLEARLY much darker complexion than Lee A. It's as plain as the nose on his face!!!jmho:thumbdown:

[enigma]

No I don't remember that MsHudson but people on the boards remarked about it. It's looked to me like damage control could be part of the grandmother's motivation. First 5 minutes I heard her sounded like it to me. I thought she was telling obvious untruths.

Greta asked her about the babysitter/nanny. Cindy said this was a longtime family friend. Had she met her? No. Had she talked to her on phone? No. Had she been to the woman's house? No. Had the woman been to her home? no. Any family member's home? no.

but longtime family friend - oh yeah

I not only don't believe that, I don't believe anyone else does either.

The emphasis above is mine. This is the perfect example of Cindy dissimulating and making "conflicting", or contradictory statements. Didn't she also say she didn't know ZG and didn't have an address or a phone number for her? Some "longtime family friend"!

Also, there's this, in one of her emails to her brother, where she's getting really mad at him for pointing out the obvious, not buying into Casey's lies and telling her (Cindy) what he thinks happened to Caylee... The following is a quote (extract) from Cindy's email to Rick. Scroll down to p. 47 in the link below.

"You are so fixated on the sitter, get over the sitter. Just because I have no pictures of her, it doesn't mean she doesn't exist. I do have pictures of the apartment, Iv'e given things that belong to the sitter to the police."
http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

She doesn't have pictures of this "longtime family friend", but she has pictures of "the apartment"... How many photos of longtime friends' apartments, minus friends, are in your albums? Anyone? None in mine... :)

JMHO

[MrsHudson]

I believe there will be several good analysis done of the House of Anthony. But it will be from LE and new interviews. I do not believe Cindy will ever talk without being paid.

Ha! Good point!

[eastside joe]

I really hope that after this is all over a good psychoanalyst like Dr. Bethany Marshall will write a book about what makes Casey tick and about her family dynamics.

I was reading this article on mother/daughter relationships http://www.ecounseling.com/articles/917 There are 5 types of mean girls listed. IMO Casey exhibited behavior thus far applies to at least four of five. Here are #1 and #3.

Mean Girls- Understanding the psychological issues behind Mother/Daughter Conflict

1) KIA- Know it all’s
Method: Showing disrespect through continual arguments to degrade and discredit their mother as an authority on anything, especially being a parent. (Boss)
Mood: Bossy, harsh, critical, aloof and continual verbal conflict. (Mood worsens as Mom attempts to confront her behavior).
Message: “I’m in control of my life, you can’t tell me what to do- so don’t even try. Wake up and smell the coffee Mom- you’re an idiot.”
Motivation: (Arrogance from self-Authority)

3) Tough Chicks
Method: Attacking mom with aggression and meanness, this pushes her away, but also continually punishes mom as the one closest person in her life. She is a bully.
Mood: Dark, evil, hateful, spiteful, bitter or extreme. Use of gutter talk and lifestyle are common ways to add to the hurt directed to Mom. This often includes the lifestyle of “sex, drugs and rock n’ roll”, Gothic, or whatever will tick their mom’s off the most.
Message: “Get the #&%* out of my way you sorry #%&. I hate you, I hate you, I hate you! Please don’t ever leave me!”
Motivation: (Attacking to prove Acceptance)

[gaelicpeas]

Quite frankly, I think these big media cases attract dog teams, spokespeople, attorneys, kid finders, etc. of questionable competence who desperately seek the limelight but cannot earn it on the merits.
(snipped to address this point)

I tend to disagree in that I think search dogs and cadaver dogs do have some merit, which was the main thing your post was addressing. However, the sentence I quoted above is soooo, sooo true. In this case alone, we have seen a lot of evidence of this. The Kidfinders organization appears to be a sham, the nationwide vigils were a sham, and the organization Nejames was funded by appears to be a sham (which is why I personally think he is trying to re-make his image by donating his funds to the meter reader... but JMO).

Even Texas Equusearch was coming under the magnifying glass...

All of it sure makes you wonder...

JMO

[MrsHudson]

I don't recall that but I would believe it. I think Cindy toggles back and forth over blaming herself, Casey then shu's it all out of the House of Anthony to maintain their image. She'll blame it on invisible people or real persons such as Grunde or I think it was Amy also. The 3 that went to P Rico. Talk about reaching with tall tales. Good Grief!

Now that was evil but still not as evil as Casey.

Right evil but not bad as Casey. I would really like to understand it more that's why I hope someone competent writes a book that explains the dynamics. Actually I have more questions about Cindy, George and Lee than I have about Casey. Casey is an evil sociopath but what's their excuse?

[Oregongal]

It's natural to think that Cindy is blaming herself because that's what most of us would do. But according to her there's no blame to be placed on anyone in her family. I remember during that tour through her house that she told the reporter that she, George, Lee and Casey would all go to heaven because they had not done anything wrong.

I did not see it myself but I just remember a blogger who did saying that an FBI guy told George that Cindy did not want her perfect image of her family besmirched and she was in full damage control mode. Anyone remember that?

I totally remember that MrsH. I think the FBI had Cindy pegged the first time they met with her.

[Neffy]

But: What did they do to cover for Casey?

Normally I'd give you my opinion but this was hashed and rehashed with you on the other thread. You wouldn't accept any of it.

This is one area where unless you see for yourself first hand and view the video's and read the LE interrogations you'll have to decide for yourself.

[norwood]

But: What did they do to cover for Casey?

Do you not think that continuing the nanny story that is a lie is not covering for Casey? Do you think deliberitly giving the wrong hairbrush to law enforcement for DNA testing was not hindering? I do and I work for the DA's office in my area.

Anyone that does not think that they could be charged with hindering an investigation does not really understand the law. I know the law varies from state to state but they did hinder the investigation.

I am not trying to be catty or hateful but we are talking about what I have done for a living for many years so I do have an understanding of what can happen as a result of the actions.

[happygert]

That man has really turned out to be great hasn't he? Sorry I ever said anything bad about him.

Yes he has. It's like he doesn't want any part of that money from the A's. He knows where it came from and he didn't like it one tiny bit.

[MrsHudson]

But they are flat broke, I think, and need an income. Their rationalizing is strangers donations will see them thru. I hope no one donates but probably some will. Any money sent to the A's will not be used to find others kids but will be used as the As personal living funds. JMO, of course.

I love your posts, Mrs. Hudson.

Oh thank you very much. :seeya: I think you are right and I would add they just don't have the right instincts for much of anything.

[enigma]

Yep, you would think the father's name would be something you would remember. The whole father thing is really, really hinky to me. JMO

I really, really think Casey doesn't know who the father is.

IMO, she was desperate to convince Jesse that it was him, because then she'd have someone to support her and Caylee other than her family, and she wanted out of the Anthony home. It almost worked, but while Jesse might have been in love, he wasn't stupid. Unfortunately for Casey, he did his math and took a DNA test and... voila! Casey's story blown out of the water... AGAIN!

Of course she knew he wasn't! But she thought all that love and looking after Caylee would guarantee her an easy PASS into the Grund family.

Of course she was mad at him that her ploy didn't work! There went her meal ticket and her easy escape!

Then TonE came on the scene and it was.... NNNEXT!

JMHO, of course...

[suso3280]

In all honesty she was still hangin' around after all THAT time. Do you think it's stupidity? Some people can be reasonably smart in one or more area, but not so bright in others. With her juvenile crime history you'd have thought she would've learned something; at least to flee. Money was no object. She was a thief.

Watching her march around with her lawyer. I do think she fancied herself a type of Paris Hilton wannabe with all the flashing lights and press. I think she liked it and was in another world in all her deceit. Maybe she came to believe some of her own lies she told to herself.

Common characteristics of those with psychopathy are:

Grandiose sense of self-worth
Superficial charm
Criminal versatility
Reckless disregard for the safety of self or others
Impulse control problems
Irresponsibility
Inability to tolerate boredom
Pathological narcissism
Pathological lying
Shallow affect
Deceitfulness/manipulativeness
Aggressive or violent tendencies, repeated physical fights or assaults on others
Lack of empathy
Lack of remorse, indifferent to or rationalizes having hurt or mistreated others
A sense of extreme entitlement
Lack of or diminished levels of anxiety/nervousness and other emotions
Promiscuous sexual behavior, sexually deviant lifestyle
Poor judgment, failure to learn from experience
Lack of personal insight
Failure to follow any life plan
Abuse of drugs including alcohol
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychopathy#History

Looks to me that miss Casey fits pretty much every thing on the list.:w00t:

[norwood]

I really, really think Casey doesn't know who the father is.

IMO, she was desperate to convince Jesse that it was him, because then she'd have someone to support her and Caylee other than her family, and she wanted out of the Anthony home. It almost worked, but while Jesse might have been in love, he wasn't stupid. Unfortunately for Casey, he did his math and took a DNA test and... voila! Casey's story blown out of the water... AGAIN!

Of course she knew he wasn't! But she thought all that love and looking after Caylee would guarantee her an easy PASS into the Grund family.

Of course she was mad at him that her ploy didn't work! There went her meal ticket and her easy escape!

Then TonE came on the scene and it was.... NNNEXT!

JMHO, of course...

I don't think she knew who the father was either.

[Neffy]

(snipped to address this point)

I tend to disagree in that I think search dogs and cadaver dogs do have some merit, which was the main thing your post was addressing. However, the sentence I quoted above is soooo, sooo true. In this case alone, we have seen a lot of evidence of this. The Kidfinders organization appears to be a sham, the nationwide vigils were a sham, and the organization Nejames was funded by appears to be a sham (which is why I personally think he is trying to re-make his image by donating his funds to the meter reader... but JMO).

Even Texas Equusearch was coming under the magnifying glass...

All of it sure makes you wonder...

JMO

OMG KIDFINDERS what a sham is right.

Didn't George quit is new job to hook up that rollling billboard from kidfinders to spread the word. HOLY COW!

Isn't it Kidfinders coming back with these leads also, their PI's.

I'm sorry but talk about your sham operations.

[RiverWalk]

And that was before the finding of the body, right?

Thank you so very much.

After finding the body of Caylee:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/22/anthonys_arranging_caylee39s_funeral.html

Click on "Brad Conway Presser" (towards the end he tells why they wont visit their daughter)

[Oregongal]

Something else I am wondering. How many interviews and interrogations have happened with the Anthony's that we know nothing about and what was asked and answered in them.

I think this trial is going to bring a lot of insight into this whole tragic mess.

Why do some people not get that a child is a treasured gift

I've wondered the same about more interviews and interrogations norwood.
I'm still not up on how those 'Sunshine Laws' work in FL. But, I'm thinking that not EVERYTHING must be released to the public. LE and the SA has to have way more than we've seen, that they have kept back. I'm thinking of Annie Dowling's interview, we've not seen that. There are also many of the text mssgs that have been redacted.
The jail house visits between the Ant's and Casey have also been edited.
I also think the trial will knock our socks off when all is revealed.
I get that Caylee was a treasured gift as do most on this board, too bad the people closest to her haven't gotten it.
For Caylee :rose:

[MrsHudson]

I was reading this article on mother/daughter relationships http://www.ecounseling.com/articles/917 There are 5 types of mean girls listed. IMO Casey exhibited behavior thus far applies to at least four of five. Here are #1 and #3.

Mean Girls- Understanding the psychological issues behind Mother/Daughter Conflict



Very interesting. Bookmarked for future reading. Those ones you picked really do match up I think. Especially when you recall the neighbor saying he has seen Casey cursing her mom.

[Neffy]

Hi eastside joe,

Quite agree with your find. I bet we could go 1000 posts on one thread alone finding something that someone's written to try to understand what makes Casey tick. She will be someones case study that's for sure.

[norwood]

All I have is a few classes in criminal justice. hehe. Cindy gave a hairbrush used by both Caylee and Casey. LE could have found Caylee's DNA without that hairbrush. You know that.

Honestly, I don't think you understand the law. They never hindered the investigation.
MO

She gave that brush to LE knowing they wanted Caylee's DNA. There was a brush that was just Caylee's. She did not give them that brush.

That is hindering an invewtigation.

What are you studying to be?

I am a licensed paralegal in two states. Right now I am out on a medical leave and at my age have wondered if I am even going to go back lol. As much as I love what I do, it does wear you down.

[MrsHudson]

I totally remember that MrsH. I think the FBI had Cindy pegged the first time they met with her.

Good now it's confirmed. Going back through all those documents is a mess. PDF files don't have a find word in page function. At least mine don't. And you would think the FBI guy would have a pretty good insight into what makes people tick.

[Oregongal]

I really hope that after this is all over a good psychoanalyst like Dr. Bethany Marshall will write a book about what makes Casey tick and about her family dynamics.

Or Dr. Keith Ablow. A very excellent forenscic psychiatrist who also wrote a wonderfully enlightning book about Scott Peterson.

[norwood]

GA and Cindy got it. They saw Caylee as a treasured gift! What are you trying to say here?

I am saying that people that harm or kill childeren do not get that a child is a treasured gift. Sorry if I was not clear.

[Oregongal]

I have not followed this case closely at all but I have been reading your posts tonight and I have a question I hope you would answer for me.

Have the Anthonys gone to visit Casey since the body of their granddaughter, may she RIP, was found?

Thank you very much.

In one word daniel....No.

[Neffy]

Seriously, I class sniffer dogs with police detectives' "hunches" when it comes to their reliability. Sometimes they're right, sometimes they're wrong, maybe they help, maybe they don't. Certainly they are not infallible.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Snipped for space.

I agree in part. I think they should be used as a tool. Any help you can get to find a person alive or dead use it. Going soley on a Dog in court with no other evidence (the dog said) No way.

[norwood]

I'm 55. I'm working, not studying right now. hehe.


I am a little older than you but have my 20 years in with the state so can retire if I want. I think I want lol. Of course, if a big case comes up I will be interested in it. We have a potential case in the area that may or may not be one that will be something. A lot of unanswered questions about 3 deaths. We are pretty sure it was murder suicide but it is so strange we are waiting on forensics to come back to be absolutley sure. My hubby would like to call it day and stay home. I am enjoying staying home but if I get bored I am sure I will go back to work.

[happygert]

All I have is a few classes in criminal justice. hehe. Cindy gave a hairbrush used by both Caylee and Casey. LE could have found Caylee's DNA without that hairbrush. You know that.

Honestly, I don't think you understand the law. They never hindered the investigation.
MO

HEHE HE you'd better take a few more classes there nick. They didnt do anything wrong? Thats your opinion...The hair brush was obstruction of JUSTICE.. If the A's did nothing wrong then why are they asking for immunity? LYING to FBI and LE is also a crime. Better take that class over. Tampering with evidence is also a crime. Destroying evidence is also a crime. HINDERING a investigation is also a crime. as a matter of fact think casey was charged with lying to LE. :thumbsup:

[eastside joe]

I am not trying to be catty or hateful but we are talking about what I have done for a living for many years so I do have an understanding of what can happen as a result of the actions.

With that said, Here are a few questions regarding the timing of possible charges pending for Lee Anthony as stated by his attorney Thomas Luka? I am interested in your response. Others feel free to respond if you have an opinion.

Would LE have waited this long to possibly charge Lee due to the circumstances with the laptop?

With the information you currently have, would his actions fall under obstruction?

What would be the reason for the possible aiding and abetting charge that his lawyer Thomas Luka stated? More serious than what we have been told about the laptop, would you say that's reasonable to assume?

[Katprint]

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I tend to disagree in that I think search dogs and cadaver dogs do have some merit
I think search dogs can have some merit IF AND ONLY IF their handlers do not give them "cues." For example, when there has been a bomb threat and explosive-detecting dogs are brought in, the handler generally does not cue the dog for where there might be explosives. Similarly, when search and rescue dogs are sent to search disaster areas, the handler does not cue the dog concerning where the dog should find survivors.

By contrast, when sniffer dogs are brought into a crime scene situation and search locations where the suspect is known to have been, there is an unspoken expectation that the dogs will find evidence to support the pending criminal charges. IMO this is the situation where the dogs are pretty much worthless. These dogs dearly want to please their handler, and their handler knows that this particular area has been selected for searching for a reason. When you watch the videos, you generally do NOT see crime scene sniffer dogs wandering by themselves sniffing out the evidence (unlike the videos of search and rescue dogs wandering off-leash over building rubble or snow avalanche sniffing out survivors.) Instead, you see the dogs led by the handlers to the specific areas where evidence is expected to be discovered, then the handlers opine whether or not the dogs "alerted" in those areas.

I have no problem with the dogs being used as an investigative tool, same as polygraphs may be used as an investigative tool. I just don't think they are infallible "proof" of anything.

Katprint
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Right. It was a back of the hand to other little missing children. Why aren't they guardian angels? I noticed it right away.

Minor point: Besides that it's just not correct anyway. Caylee does not know what's going on down here. And she's not an angel she's a human. Calling a child an angel means she is sweet and pure not that she is literally an angel.

ITA on you 'minor point' MrsH. I call Caylee our lil angel because she is sweet and pure, not because I think she's a literal angel.
Thank you for bringing this up, I've wanted so many times to say just what you said, but hesitated because I don't want peeps to think my faith or spiritual beliefs are somehow intruding within the opinions I post.
I appreciate that you had the nachos to voice this.
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