Caylee Anthony - Dec 28/08

[MoonHarvest]

"I agree that something had probably been stirring in that household for some time but it was Father's day/might that it somewhat came to a head.....Casey called Tone and asked if she can come there and he said yes but not to bring Caylee....

Barbara fl, did Tone say he said this? Or are you guessing at what may have happened?

[Duckaroo]

Exactly....and it's is something they should have done from the onset...it would have saved everyone including them a lot of heartache and the courts would have went a whole lot easier on her...Now, they will through the book at her....she will never see the outside world again....Casey is just 22, if she had confessed and she was sentenced, she would probably just gotten 7 years with good behavior...out by 29yrs old.......no more, now she gets life with no chance of parole.....

Which is another point I left out..the chances that she's going to get off in my opinion are zero to none, had she came clean..she probably would stand a better chance of the courts having some mercy on her, but now..well as you pointed out, she's more than likely going to be calling a small cell home for the rest of her life or I'm not sure if they can or will but if so there's the possibility of the DP

[VC2]

I'm convinced that somewhere between Casey being neglected as a child, and Cindy reinforcing Casey's little lies when convenient, Casey learned that dishonesty, theft, and anger were acceptable if she could get away with it.

Keep in mind that when Casey was 7 months pregnant at her brother's wedding, Cindy, a nurse, repeatedly lied to all her relatives claiming that Casey was not pregnant. That is a lie that both Casey and Cindy shared with a straight face. Casey definitely learned about lying at home.

there are millions of liars, and thousands of pathological liars and hundreds of thousands of moms who neglect their children (even though i never saw anything that said cindy neglected casey as a child), millions who enable their kids and thousands who are all 4 (prolly more if you include all the meth and crack heads who have children) and they DONT murder their own children.

This is on Casey, not cindy. Casey is the monster and all the discussion about cindy lying does not make it any less casey's fault and her alone. Sometimes i think the reason so many want to blame cindy for it is that then they can be comforted that it would never happen in their family or their friends bc they wouldn't have allowed lying or enabled their kids.

JMO

[happygert]

What is so scary about Casey is she looks so normal. She's a cute girl and seems intelligent in her police interviews, but what a nutbag. The way she lies is so convincing - like I said in another post.. There is no flinching or anxiety in her tone whatsoever. She should do something good for society and donate her brain to science, so it can be studied.

Look at Ted Bundy......

[suzanne]

There would be a door to walk thru into the back yard and that is probably how she got the body and put it in the trunk.....because it has been said that the body was put in the yard first then into the trunk....I agree.I think this is what happened.

[sunstar]

I just don't understand any of casey's reactions to any of the events, she has to be a sociapath like the experts say, I just will never understand it.

(respectfully snipped)
I wonder if he is going to come up with a story that places the death as an accident and her reaction to the death as some sort of trauma, I just don't see any good solutions for the defense.

There is no way a jury is going to be tricked and fooled with DNA and evidence collection, even the meter reader thing can be explained once you consider the 5,000 other tips that were coming in.

Does anyone think Baez is going to stick with this kidnapping story???

I don't really know how he can change the defense unless he puts her on the witness stand. LE has her interview statements and they all have her saying ZG took Caylee. If he tries to say Casey was traumatized or some other mental issue then he'd have to have an expert testify to that and there's no evidence at all that she was with all the partying pictures, her behavior and whatnot. MOO

[spiritwolf46]

Wow.Thank you very much for helping me again.I do appreciate it.


Hiya Suzannec4444! This board is a wonderful place for info. and the people here are awesome in helping! Welcome to the board! I think I may have missed telling you that! ;)

[MoonHarvest]

Which is another point I left out..the chances that she's going to get off in my opinion are zero to none, had she came clean..she probably would stand a better chance of the courts having some mercy on her, but now..well as you pointed out, she's more than likely going to be calling a small cell home for the rest of her life or I'm not sure if they can or will but if so there's the possibility of the DP

I don't see the death penalty here, not at this point.

[Anakerie]

Only thing I can answer w/ certainty is there is NO video.

There probably is video surveillance of the front of the Amscot store but by the time the significance of that car was found out, the tapes had probably been recorded over, thus, no video of Casey abandoning her car. A lot of companies that use "video tape" as opposed to digital recordings don't keep much more than a couple weeks worth of tapes.

[MalloryCat]

I don't see the death penalty here, not at this point.

Me either, and its too bad, and I used to be anti DP, but this chick was jealous of her own child, who breaks up with a guy because he loves your daughter too much? Nothing can save her, no way is a jury going to think its ok to be dancing on a pole and grinding on chicks days after you child dies, Casey has done so much to convict her I am thankful for that.

jmo

[sunstar]

If I was the prosecutor I would use those words during opening statements and during closing arguments. They're very damning, imo. With tone inflection, like Alan Jackson had during Phil Spector's trial,.. the delivery of those words could be quite powerful.

As much as I'm for that and even suggested it myself too, I just thought of something. Wouldn't the prosecution have to prove first that Casey wrote that ~ if it was on myspace the defense could object & say somebody else logged into her account and posted it. :shrug: MOO

[sunstar]

I don't see the death penalty here, not at this point.

I don't either. MOO

[happygert]

Then it wasn't too smart of her to call her boyfriend to come and get her, what with the car being right there and all.

Nope but she was probably hoping someone would steal it then she could put that plan in action...Dad fixed my car. Nanny and Caylees back have to pick Caylee up.....No I have my dad coming after me you dont have to take me to my car.....etc....lie on the fly make it up as she goes.

[kaelieanne]

Hi, I'm not part of the "in crowd" either. I've been posting here for oh let's just say at least 5 years and have nary a pal here.
Any who, I don't take sides, you can think what you want of G & C. But for me I have little respect for them, especially Cindy. I think if they had reigned their daughter in long ago, and showed some back bone where she was concerned , little Caylee may just still be alive.

There's an "in crowd"?! LOL I guess I'm not in it either, MH. I'll be your pal!

It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with what other posters think and post... I'm just here to get all points of view. I like it here.:biggrin:

[Neffy]

Thank you, Neffy. :)

I wanted to add that no matter what your child did, He also has your conscience. That's all we can really expect from kids and hopefully hand down to them. I'm over (mumble age mumble) and I still don't always use my head. But I'm the last person you'd want for a partner in crime because I'd sing like a bird admitting to whatever I did.

[MoonHarvest]

There's an "in crowd"?! LOL I guess I'm not in it either, MH. I'll be your pal!

It doesn't matter whether I agree or disagree with what other posters think and post... I'm just here to get all points of view. I like it here.:biggrin:

Nice to meet you Kaelieanne ... :seeya:

[PuffDragon]

It's called common sense which isn't cool nowadays. We have been thrown into a "new age" where evil isn't wrong....just make nice and all will be well b.s. Yes, we are to discern bad people from good. DISCERNING is the key. I sometimes wonder how people that love to say "I won't judge" raise their kids? That is the job of parents to give children the KNOWLEDGE to judge for themselves otherwise what's the point of parenting? Oh, don't get me started LOL!

This whole touchy feely hands off parenting will come home to roost and parents will be wringing their hands crying "what did I do wrong?"

Very true. It makes me nuts when a child does something wrong and Mommy says, "Now say you're sorry". Well, the child isn't sorry, he knows he isn't sorry, but if the lie will get Mommy off his back, then sure, he'll say he's sorry. The problem is solved so Mommy's happy, the child is happy because he got off scott free, and whoever he wronged is left twisting in the wind. Chapter 1 in "How To Raise A Liar".

[rj1212]

So you know what Cindy is doing in her home right now, has she even talked to the public since all this, the body discovery?

Yeah...I know what she DIDN'T do...

She didn't focus on the fact of how "tired" she was like she did back in late July and attack the media...
instead she and George and Lee "Lawyered up".

I'm sorry for their loss, but not for their lies and obstruction...that's the difference.

BTW, I'm still waiting for that logical explanation as to why one would defend the ones who told lies and obstructed justice...you know...those that George and Cindy have participated in regarding the disappearance and subsequent murder of Caylee Anthony...

Do you have a logical explanation, or are you still guided by mere emotion...with all due respect...

[kaelieanne]

yes yes yes, n2know. They kind of did the same thing with Investigator Lee too. Made them feel like they were "one of the boys", wink wink. I just picture GA throwing his hands up like "whaddayagonnado?". GA felt like a BIG MAN amongst peers. THey played him and he was too egotistic and caught up in his own story to see it.

edited to add: GA was ineffectual and a milquetoast in his own family he made up a Mighty Mouse story to gain respect from LE. So where's CAYLEE in all this junk???


I agree with this. And do any of you rememer in those interviews where he was referring to his life in LE when the detectives said something to the effect of, "You know a lot, George. We know you know a lot." It jumped out at me as them saying that they think he knows more than he's letting on.

[AlohaRainbow]

In re-reading Lee's statement, I was struck by him telling about Casey saying Cindy has told her that "Caylee was her biggest mistake...and she was HER mistake". It got me to thinking.....could Casey killing Caylee be her way of "wiping out her mistake"?....."ridding her of her mistake"......in her mind did she think she would be more acceptable to her mother if she could get rid of her "mistake". I found it odd that she stated this to Lee at the time they were first trying to get out of her where Caylee was. He said this was the first time he had heard this from Casey. Was this perhaps something Cindy threw out at Caylee the night of their fight and Casey took off with Caylee and "got rid of her mistake" so her mom would accept her again......like she did before her "mistake"?

Just thinking out loud......
very interesting and astute question re "wiping out her mistake" by getting rid of caylee.

many years ago i read somewhere that when killer moms place their child vicitm in a bag and then into water, it's the psychological equivalent of trying to put the child back into the womb.

[no link because i don't remember where i heard or read it]

[MalloryCat]

Yeah...I know what she DIDN'T do...

She didn't focus on the fact of how "tired" she was like she did back in late July and attack the media...
instead she and George and Lee "Lawyered up".

I'm sorry for their loss, but not for their lies and obstruction...that's the difference.

BTW, I'm still waiting for that logical explanation as to why one would defend the ones who told lies and obstructed justice...you know...those that George and Cindy have participated in regarding the disappearance and subsequent murder of Caylee Anthony...

Do you have a logical explanation, or are you still guided by mere emotion...with all due respect...

Heres the thing.

I just dont care about George and Cindy and how they raised their toxic child, I care about Caylee and Casey paying one way or another, I put the blame where it goes, or using the logic its the parents fault we should just release everyone in prison because there parents didn't raise them right, and I refuse.

[steffaroob4]

I don't really know how he can change the defense unless he puts her on the witness stand. LE has her interview statements and they all have her saying ZG took Caylee. If he tries to say Casey was traumatized or some other mental issue then he'd have to have an expert testify to that and there's no evidence at all that she was with all the partying pictures, her behavior and whatnot. MOO

hmmm... I never thought about that, could casey tell someone a new story in a jail house visit, and get a new story in that way?

[happygert]

I really dont think casey had a plan of action after she killed Caylee . She really didn't think that far ahead. She knew she wantd to be free from motherhood. There is several scenarios I can come up with.

[Gilly]

I also had to make the difficult decision to assist the police in building their case against my son. I did help them - hardest thing I've done in my life. :( In essence, I helped in convicting my own son. But I can't imagine NOT being forthright - unlike the A's.

It takes a very strong person to do what you did and I know having been down that road how truly difficuly it is. In my case I did not hear the truth at first and staunchly supported my son, but as the story evolved the lies became apparant and I chose to go with the truth. I cannot see the A's being forthright about anything. IMO

[MoonHarvest]

Me either, and its too bad, and I used to be anti DP, but this chick was jealous of her own child, who breaks up with a guy because he loves your daughter too much? Nothing can save her, no way is a jury going to think its ok to be dancing on a pole and grinding on chicks days after you child dies, Casey has done so much to convict her I am thankful for that.

jmo


If there is any consolation, I see Casey being in jail for a long time, away from distractions, in a cell where she may have to see herself for what she is and what she has done.

[bchand]

Good evening Bchand.

I came in very late to the case, I was on vacation the first month. A friend was telling me about it, but I had to see it w/my own eyes to really grasp what was truly happening. It's been an unbelievable ride onn the Anthony train... Never had I imagined, we'd see a cast of charactors that could make the Petersons look tame...

You have that right AJ. AND, we have to wonder what's coming next from them? Still the same lie about the nanny? Will they just keep quiet?

[Neffy]

very interesting and astute question re "wiping out her mistake" by getting rid of caylee.

many years ago i read somewhere that when killer moms place their child vicitm in a bag and then into water, it's the psychological equivalent of trying to put the child back into the womb.

[no link because i don't remember where i heard or read it]

Sorry, wiping out a mistake is getting a job and repaying back the people you stole from, turning a new leaf. This was a flat out removing something in her way to move on with her "beautiful life".

She would NEVER have to hear Cindy harp on what's she's done for her or Caylee again either.

[PuffDragon]

Nope but she was probably hoping someone would steal it then she could put that plan in action...Dad fixed my car. Nanny and Caylees back have to pick Caylee up.....No I have my dad coming after me you dont have to take me to my car.....etc....lie on the fly make it up as she goes.

Hmmmm.... that was a pretty good imitation of a Casey Lie. You been at that Koolaid...?

[suzanne]

Hiya Suzannec4444! This board is a wonderful place for info. and the people here are awesome in helping! Welcome to the board! I think I may have missed telling you that! ;)

Thank you so much.You all really are great.Very good people.Thankyou.I wanted to look into this more.This has all really bothered me.I was one of the last people still looking for the nanny trying to see good in all this that she would be found alive.I did not expect this at all.But looking into this the case really doesn't point that way towards the nanny.It's sad.I just had to figure out for myself.I honestly really do feel sorry for Cindy.

[girlspell]

I don't really know how he can change the defense unless he puts her on the witness stand. LE has her interview statements and they all have her saying ZG took Caylee. If he tries to say Casey was traumatized or some other mental issue then he'd have to have an expert testify to that and there's no evidence at all that she was with all the partying pictures, her behavior and whatnot. MOO

The defense will stick to the ZG story. But they will attack all forensic evidence, direct or circumstantial. One element they will use is that the body was moved while Casey was in jail. They hope to show she was framed by ZG. They will also attack the police behavior during the meter mans various visits to the area. Here they may have a case, because the Police did not check on the earlier leads by that meter man. What they hope for is a hung jury ala Spector case. I think that was the reason for her sudden "dream team" Just away to confuse any jury.

[rj1212]

Heres the thing.

I just dont care about George and Cindy and how they raised their toxic child, I care about Caylee and Casey paying one way or another, I put the blame where it goes, or using the logic its the parents fault we should just release everyone in prison because there parents didn't raise them right, and I refuse.

Look...I'm not saying that George and Cindy are responsible for the murder of Caylee...not unless evidence points to the contrary.

I'm saying that people have gone to prison for perjury and obstruction of justice for far less than what the Anthony's have done with their lies and obstruction...and I don't believe we've seen the worst of it yet...but that part is just mo...

There have been other missing children where the parents and grand-parents did not have the luxury of pleading to the national media for the safe return of their loved one...if they did they would've used the "bully pulpit" to do everything in their power to get their baby back. Instead, George and Cindy used it to put on some ridiculous front to cover for the odious creature, Casey Anthony.


Where's your logical explanation?

[suzanne]

So you know what Cindy is doing in her home right now, has she even talked to the public since all this, the body discovery?

I think she needs time to try and heal.

[frances1]

there are millions of liars, and thousands of pathological liars and hundreds of thousands of moms who neglect their children (even though i never saw anything that said cindy neglected casey as a child), millions who enable their kids and thousands who are all 4 (prolly more if you include all the meth and crack heads who have children) and they DONT murder their own children.

This is on Casey, not cindy. Casey is the monster and all the discussion about cindy lying does not make it any less casey's fault and her alone. Sometimes i think the reason so many want to blame cindy for it is that then they can be comforted that it would never happen in their family or their friends bc they wouldn't have allowed lying or enabled their kids.

JMO

I agree with you, VC2, that Casey is solely responsible for Caylee's death. But what I also see are two parents who are supporting their adult daughter's continued lies about what happened. In my mind, both things are true. And do I believe it could happen in my family? From what I can see, and I am the eldest of six siblings who all have children, and some grandchildren, no. But could it possibly? Of course.

[MalloryCat]

If there is any consolation, I see Casey being in jail for a long time, away from distractions, in a cell where she may have to see herself for what she is and what she has done.

I hope so, it would be terrible and in injustice to this little girl if Casey ever walks free again, it will be devastating, and Casey is dangerous.

jmo

[MoonHarvest]

If she is convicted and gets LWOP, does anyone have a guess what prison in Florida she would call home for let's say, the next 50+ yeats or so?


I really don't know anything at all about prisons in Fla.:shrug:

[happygert]

Hmmmm.... that was a pretty good imitation of a Casey Lie. You been at that Koolaid...?

LOL.....I put that down on day one.....lol

[Neffy]

Heres the thing.

I just dont care about George and Cindy and how they raised their toxic child, I care about Caylee and Casey paying one way or another, I put the blame where it goes, or using the logic its the parents fault we should just release everyone in prison because there parents didn't raise them right, and I refuse.

"or using the logic its the parents fault we should just release everyone in prison because there parents didn't raise them right, and I refuse"

I have no idea how you got the idea that this is being said by anyone!
I've never read this once or even read where I thought someone implied it but you are insisting your reading it.

You are mistaken. I know you won't swallow that pill and I have no doubt somehow me quoting you will end up that I have posted that I fell that way.

What can this board do to relieve your anxiety that this is not happening and is not the case?

[sunstar]

hmmm... I never thought about that, could casey tell someone a new story in a jail house visit, and get a new story in that way?

Since the visits are all recorded I suppose that could be a way of getting a new story in. She'd have to tell this person that everything else she's said wasn't true and say how it happened "accidentally". I'm just not seeing it happening though so I won't hold my breath! :) MOO

[MalloryCat]

Here's the thing.

Others do care about George & Cindy's lies & obstruction of justice. And George & Cindy's lies & obstruction of justice are very much a part of this case.

Just ask the criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George.


Ok, so get down on my position because until I see the charges handed down, I wont hate these people, do you think thats responsible? I see any charges brought down on the Anthonys, and guess whose side I am on?

The LE, EVERYTIME.

[sunstar]

The defense will stick to the ZG story. But they will attack all forensic evidence, direct or circumstantial. One element they will use is that the body was moved while Casey was in jail. They hope to show she was framed by ZG. They will also attack the police behavior during the meter mans various visits to the area. Here they may have a case, because the Police did not check on the earlier leads by that meter man. What they hope for is a hung jury ala Spector case. I think that was the reason for her sudden "dream team" Just away to confuse any jury.

I completely agree. I watched Spector's first trial and saw what LKB tried to do ~ create a lot of confusion in the jurors' minds. And they'll probably say it's not the defense's job to physically produce the nanny ZG, it's up to the state to prove Casey's the one who murdered Caylee. MOO

[sunstar]

If Cindy wasn't suspicious PRIOR to the day she sniffed the car, I wonder why not???

Daughter and grandaughter missing for quite some time, never able to speak to grandaughter but do occasionally get to speak with daughter who makes ridicilous reasons for me not being able to speak with grandaughter. Daughter is a known liar. "Reach out" (gag) with a myspace page trying to get daughter to give me some sort of reply....

then get a reply like this????

Geez, she should have called the po-po the DAY she read THAT little piece of prose from Casey!!!!

Cindys not the brightest bulb, is she??

abbie
You and I are thinking alike on this. I'm glad this was brought up today. I'd seen both those myspace posts before but for some reason hadn't connected them as Casey responding to what her mom had posted. :eek: MOO

[rj1212]

{bolding added}

:ohmy: I'd say you're a busy body who has had a run in with LE so goes out of their way to bash them. I am incredulous. You're a jerk. You don't even know for a fact that they were even talking about the same freakin' bag.

uh oh...:chicken:

[Neffy]

Since we're on the subject of obstruction , what do you make of the local police LE who did not follow up on the utility workers tips, the 3 calls he made in August , 11,12,13th ?


I say they were lazy, uncaring and plain not doing their job, even the 911 dispatcher who took the call ,the first lady she sounded so bored with the utility worker ,impatient , yeah ,yeah ,yeah was her attitude .


I do not see where the Antonys in ANYTHING they have said or done ,whether they lied , anything has obstructed justice or cost the state anything in their prosecution .


They have hair samples

They have DNA



What they did nit have was a body until 12-11-08 and GUESS whos fault that is ............................LE , and only LE fault .unless of course you feel the body was placed there AFTER 8-13-2008 !

That wasn't obstruction. That was an overwhelmed police department working on 5000+ leads with miscommunication.

"whether Anthony's lied" is not obstruction. So if they did lie but your not sure about it is still not obstruction.

LOL

Hindering an investigation. Had LE known the family dynamics for starters and that Casey just didn't toddle off with Caylee one day *waves* to George on the couch as he sat watching a cooking show they could have avoided alot. LE had to go that step further and investigate this entire family from nutville. No one was or to this day is telling the truth.

Sorry I've beaten this horse before and other then what I've posted I've got to just scroll by.

[Gilly]

You saw through the smoke and haze. They refuse to, for reasons known only to themselves. Maybe they enable each other.

Sorry for what you had to go through. It's tough... particularly when you come face to face with the knowledge your offspring has been lying not only to authorities, but to YOU as well. I hope all has been resolved and life is good for you.

I can't remember who said it, but I go back to this saying: Catastrophe doesn't build character, it reveals it. How true.

Without a doubt they enable and IMO that has always been their lifestyle.

My son went to prison for many years and is now out and about which brings new challenges lol. Thanks so much for your kind words, greatly appreciated.

[breezie]

Snipped for this



I am not an angry person at all. I DO, however; get angry at the hollier than thou's who take a post, put down their opinions and then say something like this.

Well, now I truly cannot lie, for I am sitting here getting quite a giggle over that statement! Thank you SO much for that! :thumbsup:

It is quite humorous, I agree. I'm angry that the Anthonys chose to lie and obstruct, darn straight I am. BUT, that does not make me an *angry person*. They chose a murderer over her victim, an innocent child, and threw innocent people under the bus to try and save the murderer. Who would not be angry over that? I don't get it.

My value system just doesn't allow *grief* to override truthful, honest behavior. I'll champion the Hackings over this low-life family any day. Good, honest, God-fearing people who, in the same situation, did the RIGHT THING.

[spiritwolf46]

uh oh...:chicken:

LOL! That running chicken cracks me up!

I am outta here for the night!

Nighters to all and prayers for CAYLEE! :rose:

[happygert]

If you say that Casey didn't think that far ahead then why is everyone saying that because of computer searches in March she was planning this?

JMO

RE READ MY POST. I didn't say she didn't plan the murder. I whole heartily think she planned Caylee murder.. She didn't have a solid plan of what to tell everyone once she committed the murder of Caylee. Caylee's murder was premeditated.

Here I'll repost it for you:
Originally Posted by happygert
I really dont think casey had a plan of action after she killed Caylee . She really didn't think that far ahead. She knew she wanted to be free from motherhood. There is several scenarios I can come up with.

[RiverWalk]

Here's the thing.

Others do care about George & Cindy's lies & obstruction of justice. And George & Cindy's lies & obstruction of justice are very much a part of this case.

Just ask the criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George.


I CARE. I am sick of Laws being passed in the name of DEAD kids.

Amber Alert - Amber Hagerman
Megan's Law - Megan Kanka
Jessica's Law - Jessica Lunsford
Laci and Conner's Law - Laci and Conner Rocha Peterson

Will we have to pass a Caylee's Law to protect yet again more kids from their mother and the grandparents who just lied and lied and obstructed the process?

JMO, but I am angry (as someone asked up thread).

RIP the victims of violence who never, ever had a day in court and this isn't even all of them that Peter put together to remember/honor them:
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347121

Good evening. Off to call my granddaughter safe and sound with her loving parents and baby brother.

[spiritwolf46]

It is quite humorous, I agree. I'm angry that the Anthonys chose to lie and obstruct, darn straight I am. BUT, that does not make me an *angry person*. They chose a murderer over her victim, an innocent child, and threw innocent people under the bus to try and save the murderer. Who would not be angry over that? I don't get it.

My value system just doesn't allow *grief* to override truthful, honest behavior. I'll champion the Hackings over this low-life family any day. Good, honest, God-fearing people who, in the same situation, did the RIGHT THING.


ITA! GREAT post!!!!!

Night!!!

[bchand]

ITA! GREAT post!!!!!

Night!!!

GNite spiritwolf :wink:

[spiritwolf46]

Evidently, you are unaware the meter reader's calls were followed up.

And how does the meter reader's calls fall into the subject of obstruction?


This person is just angry. Please wish her well. :rolleyes:

Okay, REALLY going now! LOL

See ya all tomorrow morning!

:rose:

[sunstar]

I really don't know anything at all about prisons in Fla.:shrug:

Here's a link to the FL Dept. of Corrections site. Orange County is in Region III. Just click on Region III on the map to get a list of the prisons in that area. :)

http://www.dc.state.fl.us/facilities/ciindex.html

[MalloryCat]

I have to say I want Cindy to never talk to Casey again, but that song update on the Caylee myspace irks me for some reason.

[breezie]

I have to say I want Cindy to never talk to Casey again, but that song update on the Caylee myspace irks me for some reason.

I kinda hope they are forced to talk to each other and try to keep it nice and clean...lol. THAT would be punishment for both!

[dixielover]

I have to say I want Cindy to never talk to Casey again, but that song update on the Caylee myspace irks me for some reason.

what is the song?

[happygert]

Hmmm.... must have been the word 'after' that was missed. ;)

Must have been

[MalloryCat]

what is the song?

A baby changes everything, by Faith Hill.

Teenage girl, much too young
Unprepared for what`s to come
A baby changes everything

Not a ring
On her hand
All her dreams and all her plans
A baby changes everything (x2)

The man she loves she`s never touched
How will she keep his trust
A baby changes everything (x2)

And she cries, oh she cries

She has to leave, go far away
Heaven knows she can`t stay
A baby changes everything

She can feel it`s coming soon
There`s no place, there`s no room
A baby changes everything (x2)

And she cries and she cries o she cries

Shepherds own they got their �
Star shines down�

Choir of angels say
Glory to the newborn king
A baby changes everything (x2)
Everything, everything, every day
Hallelujah x4

My whole life is turned around
I was lost and now i`m found
A baby changes everything (x2)

[Ionmhainn]

Interesting discussions today! I'd like to add a few thoughts.

While I agree that Cindy exhibits a lot of controlling behavior, it's been my observation that such behavior is almost always fear based. A mask for anxiety. Who knows when or why it started?

Re George....letting yourself be controlled also lets you off the hook as to taking any responsibility. The controlling one will always be seen as the "villain" or the one "pitching the fit." The other will be seen as "the good guy." The... benefits... of being controlled! This is not unique to the Anthonys!

Re lying...learned or otherwise...it's almost always employed as CYA of some kind. I wouldn't call Casey a good liar at all! I can, however, understand why her parents would have...wanted... to believe her at first. Believing her meant that there might be a chance of seeing Caylee again. We don't know what they think now, and probably never will. The evidence will reveal the truth.

People handle things in ways that work for them, right or wrong. Simply put, they don't know...of...any other way to handle things. To say that this situation involves a "learning curve" is putting it mildly!

All MO.

[Jeepers]

Cindy was on vacation Monday, June 2nd through Friday June 6th, and returned to work on Monday June 9th. Also during this week she celebrated her 50th birthday on June 5th, and forfeited her plans to go see her in-laws at the beach...while she waited on casey to bring Caylee to the house.

I find it hard to bellieve that approximately a month later she could forget about these memorable dates and events, and think FD fell during that time so close to her 50th b'day. Also most people plan their vacations well in advance...some even have to pick their weeks for vacation in January for the entire year...how could Cindy forget?

Where was Casey and Caylee staying and why during June 2 thru June 9? I approached this topic early this morning. I think Casey and Caylee were not staying at the Anthony home for awhile or off & on this is strange that everyone remembers June 9 for some reason. Then Casey lets Cindy take Caylee to see Cindy parents on the 15th. Then that evening a reported fight between Cindy & Casey and Caylee is no longer seen. If Casey and Caylee were still at the Athony's when Cindy was on vacation why was she waiting on Casey to bring Caylee by? Something does not sound right.

[Cury-us Coyote]

hmmm... I never thought about that, could casey tell someone a new story in a jail house visit, and get a new story in that way?

Did you notice Casey has an upcoming deposition in the ZFG civil case scheduled for January 12th?

[Dtviewer3]

I have to say I want Cindy to never talk to Casey again, but that song update on the Caylee myspace irks me for some reason.

What song update?

What did I miss?

Edit:
I see Mallory posted it upthread.

Who put the song on the myspace page?

[ellegna]

Let's revisit Cindy on Greta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vFUavy9iU

Speaking of Greta.....check out the email Cindy wrote to Rick.
Scroll to pg 49. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

[breezie]

A baby changes everything, by Faith Hill.

Teenage girl, much too young
Unprepared for what`s to come
A baby changes everything

Not a ring
On her hand
All her dreams and all her plans
A baby changes everything (x2)

The man she loves she`s never touched
How will she keep his trust
A baby changes everything (x2)

And she cries, oh she cries

She has to leave, go far away
Heaven knows she can`t stay
A baby changes everything

She can feel it`s coming soon
There`s no place, there`s no room
A baby changes everything (x2)

And she cries and she cries o she cries

Shepherds own they got their �
Star shines down�

Choir of angels say
Glory to the newborn king
A baby changes everything (x2)
Everything, everything, every day
Hallelujah x4

My whole life is turned around
I was lost and now i`m found
A baby changes everything (x2)

So a site dedicated to Caylee basically has a song about *Poor Casey* now? Caylee did change everything, not to Casey's liking. So she did away with her. Where's the stanza?

And people wonder why this totally inappropriate family has no support on this board?

Sheesh. barf

[bchand]

Did you notice Casey has an upcoming deposition in the ZFG civil case scheduled for January 12th?

Cury - have you seen anything on myorangeclerk about Holly Bristow trying to stop a subpeona for her being called as a witness?

I read it on HFTM but do not see it on myorangeclerk.

[True2Blues]

I kinda hope they are forced to talk to each other and try to keep it nice and clean...lol. THAT would be punishment for both!

I think they should be locked in the same cell and not allowed anyone else to talk to.

[bchand]

So a site dedicated to Caylee basically has a song about *Poor Casey* now? Caylee did change everything, not to Casey's liking. So she did away with her. Where's the stanza?

And people wonder why this totally inappropriate family has no support on this board?

Sheesh. barf


Oh that's just Michelle Bart, who thought long and hard before she published an innocent little girl's picture in newspapers nationwide.

It's her site now I believe. Did you see the ministers long post asking everyone to pray for Casey?

[MalloryCat]

Cindy was on vacation Monday, June 2nd through Friday June 6th, and returned to work on Monday June 9th. Also during this week she celebrated her 50th birthday on June 5th, and forfeited her plans to go see her in-laws at the beach...while she waited on casey to bring Caylee to the house.

I find it hard to bellieve that approximately a month later she could forget about these memorable dates and events, and think FD fell during that time so close to her 50th b'day. Also most people plan their vacations well in advance...some even have to pick their weeks for vacation in January for the entire year...how could Cindy forget?

Hmm, maybe because some people dont want to turn 50 and its not looked on fondly?

I am just saying, I cant wait to get there, I think.

But not everyone is the same, and the mind does not work the same in all people, her grandbaby was missing, I can understand a state of confusion, and in hind site, the 31 days came from Casey, Cindy went with it, because she believed that, I think when she was reminded she saw her Dad on Fathers Day, that made sense, I mean what was to gain by altering the date to Cindy? She was confused, its really not like losing a ring or a money, this is a baby and I would be more concerned and suspecting had she been so calm and lucid, like her disgusting daughter who couldnt understand why the cops could possibly want to talk to her in the first place.

jmo

[True2Blues]

So a site dedicated to Caylee basically has a song about *Poor Casey* now? Caylee did change everything, not to Casey's liking. So she did away with her. Where's the stanza?

And people wonder why this totally inappropriate family has no support on this board?

Sheesh. barf

Trying to make a comparison between Casey and Mary (giving birth to Jesus) is more than ridiculous.

[rj1212]

And here we go folks;:lol:

lol...I'm not telling on anyone...I just like posting the chicken...
I'm sure someone else has already told...:chicken:
I luv me some chicken!

[steffaroob4]

Did you notice Casey has an upcoming deposition in the ZFG civil case scheduled for January 12th?

I think they already stated she will take the 5th on that, so will they still have to go through the motions of doing it? What I want to know is if that lawsuit has lead to any information about casey's finances, does she have any contracts or income we don't know about?

I still don't get how the state is still holding back all the missing interviews, one would think those should have been finished by now.

I am having issues with Lee's lawyers new statements the other day. For a long time I thought he was working with LE, now I am starting to wonder.

Where is Caylee's hero?

[Neffy]

I think they should be locked in the same cell and not allowed anyone else to talk to.

Smackdown :scared:

[funkyflower]

Very true. It makes me nuts when a child does something wrong and Mommy says, "Now say you're sorry". Well, the child isn't sorry, he knows he isn't sorry, but if the lie will get Mommy off his back, then sure, he'll say he's sorry. The problem is solved so Mommy's happy, the child is happy because he got off scott free, and whoever he wronged is left twisting in the wind. Chapter 1 in "How To Raise A Liar".
I disagree. This is a blanket statement when every situation is different. Its all according to the foundation already laid for the child and as part of implementing the values, morals and standard of living, its a pertinent part of raising a child to learn to have empathy and sympathy, therefore, know how to really apologize.
One of the least often heard things from adults in our society is, "I was wrong, I am sorry." It is usually quite unexpected and well recieved.

I don't know what or if this has anything to do with raising a daughter like Casey. It sure seems like this girl formed a sociopathic personality.

IMO

[breezie]

Trying to make a comparison between Casey and Mary (giving birth to Jesus) is more than ridiculous.

I wasn't even going to go there...was afraid of that wall person...:tongue:

The gall of these people. They amaze me DAILY. No wonder KFN and the Anthonys like ole Michelle.

[happygert]

Did you notice Casey has an upcoming deposition in the ZFG civil case scheduled for January 12th?

Want to make a bet it will be postponed?

[Gilly]

Let's revisit Cindy on Greta.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-0vFUavy9iU

WOW first time I have watched that.

At around the 6:20 mark she says that the nanny was part of normal conversation prior to Caylee's birth. When supposedly did Casey meet the nanny? Thanks.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I noticed that but I don't think it will happen.

Didn't Morgan file a motion to delay the case until after the murder trial?

I thought Baez asked for the delay? :shrug:

[BobbisAngel]

Casey Anthony's Brother Now Facing Charges

When the case began, Lee told his sister Casey during a jail visit that he would be conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee. Lee said he was looking into leads and begged Casey to write him a letter with information so he could move forward with his investigation.

The Anthonys never spoke about Lee's investigation or any of his findings.

http://bbn.frn.com/fis/MyFlaNews/storypage.asp?site=mfln2-ip&storyID=7195



The Anthonys probably didn't bring the subject up again because Lee didn't find the Nanny or anything that would clear his sister's name.

[PuffDragon]

If you say that Casey didn't think that far ahead then why is everyone saying that because of computer searches in March she was planning this?

JMO

Computer searches are hardly plans. She may have been thinking about doing something (although I'm standing firm on my feeling that the searches were aimed at adults, not a child. Why would you need directions on how to do away with a child?), but that's not the same as actually making plans.

[MalloryCat]

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I don't know what or if this has anything to do with raising a daughter like Casey. It sure seems like this girl formed a sociopathic personality.

IMO


Well thats what happens when in todays society Paris Hilton and Lindsay Lohan are presented to young girls and considered cool and normal. And now young woman will get ideas from Casey, its gross.

jmo

[bchand]

I thought Baez asked for the delay? :shrug:

No the Anthony's lawyer did IIRC.

[rj1212]

One of the least often heard things from adults in our society is, "I was wrong, I am sorry." It is usually quite unexpected and well recieved.
IMO

respectfully snipped...


You could not be more correct...my gosh, that is so true.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cury - have you seen anything on myorangeclerk about Holly Bristow trying to stop a subpeona for her being called as a witness?

I read it on HFTM but do not see it on myorangeclerk.

Case Number: 2008-CF-0015606-O
11/25/2008 A MOTION TO QUASH WITNESS SUBPOENA TO HOLLY BRISTOW
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

[bchand]

Case Number: 2008-CF-0015606-O
11/25/2008 A MOTION TO QUASH WITNESS SUBPOENA TO HOLLY BRISTOW
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

TY I didn't look back far enough. I thought they were referring to something more recent.

[rj1212]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .

The Anthony's need to get past their lies and cover-ups before they can get up the strength to do that...mo of course.

[rj1212]

you forgot about the hairbrush- sorry just trying to help. :blushing:

Yeah Lomar...that was pretty important! I'm sure more will come out...

[bchand]

I was wondering if Cindy's parents lived apart. I never was clear on that.

He's in an assisted living facility and Shirley lives nearby, close enough to visit him often.

[Neffy]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .


NO EXCUSE is what Casey did.

Best Regards,

Someone who posts references to 5000+ leads

[PuffDragon]

Interesting discussions today! I'd like to add a few thoughts.

While I agree that Cindy exhibits a lot of controlling behavior, it's been my observation that such behavior is almost always fear based. A mask for anxiety. Who knows when or why it started?

Re George....letting yourself be controlled also lets you off the hook as to taking any responsibility. The controlling one will always be seen as the "villain" or the one "pitching the fit." The other will be seen as "the good guy." The... benefits... of being controlled! This is not unique to the Anthonys!

Re lying...learned or otherwise...it's almost always employed as CYA of some kind. I wouldn't call Casey a good liar at all! I can, however, understand why her parents would have...wanted... to believe her at first. Believing her meant that there might be a chance of seeing Caylee again. We don't know what they think now, and probably never will. The evidence will reveal the truth.

People handle things in ways that work for them, right or wrong. Simply put, they don't know...of...any other way to handle things. To say that this situation involves a "learning curve" is putting it mildly!

All MO.

No snipping, that's all very well said! I totally agree!

[MalloryCat]

Cindy and George have been protecting Casey, that is a fact. I believe that they lied to LE about Casey working at Universal. ( the last 2 years) imo. Casey told LE she was working there so parents backed her up. also imo , they (parents) knew there was never a baby sitter/nanny. Her friends would mind her often if she asked. but at night I believe Caylee was always in her own bed.

So why did Cindy go to Universal on July 3rd looking for her?

[Cury-us Coyote]

<respectfully snipped>
Where is Caylee's hero?

IMO, Caylee's HEROES are currently working in the OC office instead of reading meters, working in LE, and working to support and prepare the State's case.
jmo

[sunstar]

nope didn't miss that, I just can't see someone planning this for 3 months and comming up with this ending.

JMO

A couple of things I thought of to explain it. She never counted on her mom calling 911 to have her arrested after the car had been retrieved from impound, or on LE not believing her ZG the nanny abduction story because her parents always bought her lies and she never counted on Caylee's remains being found. MOO

[breezie]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .

Have you read the response report or are you just assuming something based on your own feelings of LE and rumors. They responded. Read up. :thumbdown:

[bchand]

What song update?

What did I miss?

Edit:
I see Mallory posted it upthread.

Who put the song on the myspace page?


Dtv - the site is in Michelle Bart's hands now I believe.

[rj1212]

So why did Cindy go to Universal on July 3rd looking for her?

More Importantly MalloryCat...why didn't Cindy go to LE on July 3rd after realizing that Caylee was lost and Cindy had lied?

Where's your logical explanation of Cindy and George lying for Casey and obstructing justice?

[Neffy]

nope didn't miss that, I just can't see someone planning this for 3 months and comming up with this ending.

JMO


I don't think there was a plan as much as something that was being looked at by Casey. She never got into the planning stage and it was a crime of opportunity commissioned while she she had a hate filled raging snap. I think her past look ups enabled her not to stop herself from committing this crime.

She never got to the part how to hide it.

[steffaroob4]

IMO, Caylee's HEROES are currently working in the OC office instead of reading meters, working in LE, and working to support and prepare the State's case.
jmo

I like that, I may use that. She needs a hero.

[bchand]

So why did Cindy go to Universal on July 3rd looking for her?

IMO for the same reason, George wanted to get to that trunk. To call Casey on her lies.

[Cury-us Coyote]

No the Anthony's lawyer did IIRC.

Case Number: 2008-CA-0024573-O
12/19/2008 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION OF CASEY ANTHONY 1/12/2008 @ 10:00 AM
12/22/2008 LETTER TO JUDGE FROM JONATHAN KASEN
12/22/2008 DEFT MOTION TO STAY OR DEFER DEFTS DEPO UNTIL RESOLUTION OF THE PENDING CRIMINAL CASE

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

[breezie]

Those are examples of Obstructing justice ? The LAW disagrees with you , as do I.

Then why is their lawyer seeking immunity? Seems the lawyer thinks they've obstructed justice or made false statements to LE.

Lee also seems to be up to his ears. Read what his attorney has said.

I'm not so sure the law agrees with you.

[rj1212]

I was wondering the same.

I'm gonna beat the hel* outta that drum...:lol:

[Neffy]

No, no, no... Lee was not the one who said "who took her" IIRC. I guess I need to go back and read, but I am almost 100% sure he didn't say "who took her." I'll go back and re-read....

IIR correctly Lee's the one that delivered to Casey the realization that the LE is now involved and is not going to go away with Casey's excuse of the Nanny's watching her Buh Bye. I thought that's when Casey came up with the uh oh SHE'S BEEN KIDNAPPED

[breezie]

I HAVE read it ! What was it YOU got out of it ? it adds up they did not do their job or the bag was not there , THEN and what do you make of that ? I don't need an icon BTW.

It adds up to something was missed. period. Not a big conspiracy. Chandra Levy's body was missed during a search, too. Unfortunately, nobody's perfect.

[bchand]

Case Number: 2008-CA-0024573-O
12/19/2008 NOTICE OF TAKING DEPOSITION OF CASEY ANTHONY 1/12/2008 @ 10:00 AM
12/22/2008 LETTER TO JUDGE FROM JONATHAN KASEN
12/22/2008 DEFT MOTION TO STAY OR DEFER DEFTS DEPO UNTIL RESOLUTION OF THE PENDING CRIMINAL CASE

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Ah I thought you were referring to the Dec 22nd delay request. (Of George and Cindy by ZG's attorney)

[VII]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .

Agree w/parts of what you say ...
While reading some of the LE interview transcripts
SOME of their comments appear less than professional
AND
SOME of them make NO sense in trying to establish a time line.
Jumping from question 3 to question 9
marrying question 9 to question 8 ...
Eric ? seemed to be the WORST
he interviewed Lee ....
I'd say there is MUCH for defense to attack, just like OJ
howEVerrrrr
All of the lies told by Casey led them down this path.
I just think there was a different way they could have approached it.

[steffaroob4]

New Reward Offered To Man Who Found Caylee's Remains (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)
Leesburg Man Adds Caylee To Missing Children's Memorial

Kronk's attorney confirmed to WESH 2 that they are now considering an offer made by NeJame, who is offering a $5,000 reward to Kronk. That amount represents the money NeJame made while serving as the Anthony family's representative.

[steffaroob4]

New Reward Offered To Man Who Found Caylee's Remains (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)
Leesburg Man Adds Caylee To Missing Children's Memorial

Kronk's attorney confirmed to WESH 2 that they are now considering an offer made by NeJame, who is offering a $5,000 reward to Kronk. That amount represents the money NeJame made while serving as the Anthony family's representative.

interesting... I thought NeJame was pro-bono.

[PuffDragon]

<snipped for space>

While we never really thought we'd see one to top Susan Smith or Andrea Yates ...
we now have Casey.
Who'll top her?

That's a very scary thought.

[Neffy]

New Reward Offered To Man Who Found Caylee's Remains (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)
Leesburg Man Adds Caylee To Missing Children's Memorial

Kronk's attorney confirmed to WESH 2 that they are now considering an offer made by NeJame, who is offering a $5,000 reward to Kronk. That amount represents the money NeJame made while serving as the Anthony family's representative.

WOW! I believe NeJame knew the uphill battle anyone had dealing with the Anthonys and this case really did affect him as he was put in an client/attorney position of knowing something was not right with them and being relieved that inspite of the Anthony's Caylee will get the respect she deserved.

This is really good to hear.

[True2Blues]

WOW! I believe NeJame knew the uphill battle anyone had dealing with the Anthonys and this case really did affect him as he was put in an client/attorney position of knowing something was not right with them and being relieved that inspite of the Anthony's Caylee will get the respect she deserved.

This is really good to hear.

I have come to respect Mark NeJame a great deal. Good for him!

[funkyflower]

While we never really thought we'd see one to top Susan Smith or Andrea Yates ...
we now have Casey.
Who'll top her?

You left out Deanna Laney <insert actual physical shudder>:crying:

[steffaroob4]

Have you SEEN the crime scene photos , if anyone can LOOK at the crime scene photos which clearly shows how close to the ROAD the bag was and say that it was missed is IMO not facing the truth on THAT matter .There is no conspiracy , its plain some were not doing their job ,not even a half azzzzzz job or the BAG WAS NOT THERE THEN , there is no way around it .


Its not like the bag was deep in thw oods and even if it were there are 2 little strips of woods on the side of the rad , look at the arial views ,but the FACT REMAINS the body was on the side of the road the utility worker led them there by the nose , wither they did not look or the bag was not there , point blank.

The bag being so close to the road says one thing to me. Casey was so lazy and didn't give a rats azz about where she tossed that babie's body. She put as much effort into the disposal as she did her lies about working, just because a few idots believe her stories; that doesn't mean many will. Come on, have you seen those emails from her supposed boss at work? The wording, punctuation, the sense of them, the fact they were being fowarded by yahoo email accounts?
She working in the same town as her parents, lived in the same house, where were the red flags at before this happened?

[legalmania]

Have you SEEN the crime scene photos , if anyone can LOOK at the crime scene photos which clearly shows how close to the ROAD the bag was and say that it was missed is IMO not facing the truth on THAT matter .There is no conspiracy , its plain some were not doing their job ,not even a half azzzzzz job or the BAG WAS NOT THERE THEN , there is no way around it .


Its not like the bag was deep in thw oods and even if it were there are 2 little strips of woods on the side of the rad , look at the arial views ,but the FACT REMAINS the body was on the side of the road the utility worker led them there by the nose , wither they did not look or the bag was not there , point blank.

Not doing their job they had to check out over 4,000 leads. They had to deal with physics and bad info. The way the remains were spread out all over the place, that bag was there all along.

[True2Blues]

Shark , your the smartest in the land ? You think the bag was just missed , please better go review the crime scene photos , as well the arial view , or take the alternative , the bag that held caylees bones was not there at THAT TIME and all the implications of the later that go with it. its just logical common sense .

There are photos of that area after Caylee was reported missing that show the bag wasn't there? I didn't know there was such a thing.

[steffaroob4]

He was paid by the never lose hope group.

OIC, thanks, I didn't know that.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I like that, I may use that. She needs a hero.

It should have included all the TES volunteers who searched and those who donated to the search effort.
jmo

[Barbara fl.]

It adds up to something was missed. period. Not a big conspiracy. Chandra Levy's body was missed during a search, too. Unfortunately, nobody's perfect.


Exactle....it was just missed....and I am so thankful that it was found eventually otherwise we all would still be guessing and the Anthony's and Baez and Casey would still be insisting they have sightings that LE never checked out.....

So glad we are past that...it was so frustrating...

[VII]

A good question is why was the date of June 9th chosen and used by the family members in unison?

In Lee's interview with LE they ask him why the 9th (for all family members to use) and he said even though they separated George & Cindy from Casey they could still hear one another. That Cindy said it first and the others used/repeated/ it whatever.

my words. my paraphrase. I have no idea what page of the interview that's on but I'm pretty sure that's what I read.

http://www.wftv.com/download/2008/0923/17540065.pdf

That date is what Cindy first came out with as the last time she saw Caylee as her birthday (Cindy's) was June 5.
Casey is the one who jumped on that date.
Lee was counting backwards with 31 days and came up with June 15.
I didn't recall Lee stating or alluding to anyone using June 9 other than Cindy and Casey.

[happygert]

nope didn't miss that, I just can't see someone planning this for 3 months and comming up with this ending.

JMO

Even with the best laid plans there's always a monkey wrench added to the mix...Murphy's Law

[Neffy]

It adds up to something was missed. period. Not a big conspiracy. Chandra Levy's body was missed during a search, too. Unfortunately, nobody's perfect.

Jessie Davis searchers were in the wrong area, Jessica Lunsford right outside the door.

LE is not Karnack the Magnificent. After they all were found it's easy to say why didn't I look there. Kronk didn't call in I KNOW WHERE SHE IS AT. It was a tip like 5000 other tips.

[happygert]

Yes, you're right. And Cindy heard them whispering and burst into the room, and Casey said "I haven't seen Caylee in 31 days." And then Cindy says something like we could've found her., and THEN Cindy says "Who took her."

That's when the whole kidnapping story came in.

I stand to be corrected.

First response from cindy was "what have you done?"

[Barbara fl.]

There are photos of that area after Caylee was reported missing that show the bag wasn't there? I didn't know there was such a thing.


There is no such thing or that would have been all over the news....the bag was there all the time and just wasn't noticed.....


with all the bad leads and phony sightings and wrong info given by family....it's a wonder it was ever found at all....

Thank goodness for that meter reader....that's all I have to say

[funkyflower]

Exactle....it was just missed....and I am so thankful that it was found eventually otherwise we all would still be guessing and the Anthony's and Baez and Casey would still be insisting they have sightings that LE never checked out.....

So glad we are past that...it was so frustrating...

ITA, although, I still am frustrated that Mr. Kronk wasn't listened to and he was quite presistent. :angry:

[Mamie]

The Anthonys probably didn't bring the subject up again because Lee didn't find the Nanny or anything that would clear his sister's name.

Oh, I thought Lee was the supposed investigator (without Cindy mentioning him by name) that found out everything Casey told them was the truth! JMO

[legalmania]

There are photos of that area after Caylee was reported missing that show the bag wasn't there? I didn't know there was such a thing.

Do you have a link to where that is?

[Barbara fl.]

Not doing their job they had to check out over 4,000 leads. They had to deal with physics and bad info. The way the remains were spread out all over the place, that bag was there all along.


I agree completely....that bag was there from the time that "Casey" put it there.....

[True2Blues]

First responsefrom cindy was "what have you done?"

Yes, that one question says to me that CA knew exactly what Casey capable of doing, no matter how much she denies it now.

[Oregongal]

Case Number: 2008-CF-0015606-O
11/25/2008 A MOTION TO QUASH WITNESS SUBPOENA TO HOLLY BRISTOW
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Good evening all,
Thanks for this link Cury, I thought I had it bookmarked, but alas I didn't.
Going thru all these motions...there sure are a ton of them...I noticed on 12/16 there was a sworn affidavet of Timothy Juntington filed in open court.
I've never heard or seen this name before...anyone know who he is?
TIA

[Anakerie]

Shark , your the smartest in the land ? You think the bag was just missed , please better go review the crime scene photos , as well the arial view , or take the alternative , the bag that held caylees bones was not there at THAT TIME and all the implications of the later that go with it. its just logical common sense .
From the photos I've seen of that area, a bag 20 feet from the road would be completely obscured by the surrounding vegetation. Another thing that I've read is that there is a distinct possibility that the bag may have been moved around within those woods, both by animals and by the flooding from the tropical storm that flooded so many other areas around Orlando.

[legalmania]

There is no such thing or that would have been all over the news....the bag was there all the time and just wasn't noticed.....


with all the bad leads and phony sightings and wrong info given by family....it's a wonder it was ever found at all....

Thank goodness for that meter reader....that's all I have to say

Your right Barbara, plus it would be impossible to spread her bones all over the place while trying to guess where the bag would be placed.

[True2Blues]

There is no such thing or that would have been all over the news....the bag was there all the time and just wasn't noticed.....


with all the bad leads and phony sightings and wrong info given by family....it's a wonder it was ever found at all....

Thank goodness for that meter reader....that's all I have to say

Thank you.

I agree about the Meter Reader.

[Neffy]

There are photos of that area after Caylee was reported missing that show the bag wasn't there? I didn't know there was such a thing.

LOL then how did Kronk report it in the beginning if there were no bags there. C'mon! If that's the case then No wonder why LE didn't find it. No wait, it was there and LE didn't follow up and that horrendous dispatcher, no wait. heh heh

Are we full circle now? Weeeeeeeeeeee!

[legalmania]

Did you forget LE said they went to the spot ,they checked it out , 2wice .once they were there for 5 minutes ,the 2nd 7 minutes ,another time a snake scared the cop off , the utility guy told them the EXACT SPOT , that SPOT was not in the middle of the woods , it was not deep in the woods it was at the edge of the woods where just beside it is a direct opening of land .......when they went to that SITE where the utility worker drig them by the nose ,they were not out on calls for the other 4000 tips , they were on that CALL , there is no excuse , especially not the snake excuse its a joke .....of course let me remind ,there is that other alternative!

Explain how the bones were placed so they would coincide with the bag?

[VII]

Yes, you're right. And Cindy heard them whispering and burst into the room, and Casey said "I haven't seen Caylee in 31 days." And then Cindy says something like we could've found her., and THEN Cindy says "Who took her."

That's when the whole kidnapping story came in.

I stand to be corrected.

Where does it say that "Cindy heard them whispering"
it DID say that Cindy was basically pacing around the house, in and out of the house, while Lee was trying to talk to Casey, as Cindy was pi$$ed.
I think reading into this scene and saying Cindy heard them whispering is just reading into this.
Cindy was UPset, ranting etc...
Lee further commented that the BR door, where he and Casey were, was not shut.
Cindy was raging mad, as she well SHOULD have been
and many many many thoughts were running through her head.
JUST because she burst into the room and asked "Who took her" does not a conspiracy make, to protect Casey.
At THAT point in time, I think ~protecting Casey~ was not first and foremost in her mind.
She was only trying to figure it out, based on what little information her daughter was coming through with, where Caylee could be, if not with her or with Casey.
She didn't want to accept she was dead, so SOMEbody MUST have her.
imo
(ducking and dodging now)

[Barbara fl.]

How long does it take to register a new email address ? Someone mentioned emails between Cindy and Rick and it just got me thinking ..........anyway .



I forgot to add to the last post where I give my opinion on LE LACK of service ,which IMO there is NO excuse for . Someone said they had 5000 tips to check on ? NO EXCUSE , this tip was in their back yard practically ,EAST county precinct could be there in 3 minutes , just no excuse and the poster who accused me of having a run in with LE myself and is why I am inflamed over their LACK of DUTY is WRONG (LOL) whatever......... they said I did not know if it was even the SAME BAG ??? EXACTLY , now no one will know will they ...and whos fault is that ( L . E ) they really have shown their true colors now and this ain;t the end of that , you can bet on that ....this opens up alot of worms for them IMO....The Anthony's for one have every right now to seek the reasons why they did not followup ...I know you said they did Landshark , but if they did and they did not see or find a bag ,well guess what ,that means there was NO BAG of bones then ,which means someone else placed the bag later ,.Being scared off by a snake ain;t gonna cut it and the anthonys when they get strength will fight them and SAY , SEE you never were following up onleads as we said all along ! Can;t have it every which way you want it ...so it appears .


What's the point? Are you saying that LE should trade places with Casey? It's over...they didn't see it....let's just be thankful that it was found at all...or we would still be listening to all those lies about a phantom nanny....and sightings that didn't exist or were staged....

Be thankful for what we have.....a body...now she can be put to rest properly instead of scattered all over..

[FrankieBones1]

Yes, that one question says to me that CA knew exactly what Casey capable of doing, no matter how much she denies it now.Especially after reading her daughter's MySpace page..."Everyone lies...Everyone dies".

[steffaroob4]

Can someone from FL remind me where the water meters are placed in newer FL homes?

[sunstar]

From the photos I've seen of that area, a bag 20 feet from the road would be completely obscured by the surrounding vegetation. Another thing that I've read is that there is a distinct possibility that the bag may have been moved around within those woods, both by animals and by the flooding from the tropical storm that flooded so many other areas around Orlando.

After I studied the photos that were posted here last night I totally agree about the bag being completely concealed by the vegetation and the bones being scattered does seem there was animal activity disturbing the bag. MOO

[legalmania]

So how did the utility guy see it from the road then ???????????? !

He saw it and then continued to follow it , he said it moved.

[breezie]

Shark , your the smartest in the land ? You think the bag was just missed , please better go review the crime scene photos , as well the arial view , or take the alternative , the bag that held caylees bones was not there at THAT TIME and all the implications of the later that go with it. its just logical common sense .

You know that how? Did YOU put it there later!? :w00t:

[legalmania]

Can someone from FL remind me where the water meters are placed in newer FL homes?

Usually in the front of the property.

[suzanne]

May I please ask does it look like she was killed in the back yard?What do the police think happened?

[True2Blues]

Especially after reading her daughter's MySpace page..."Everyone lies...Everyone dies".

Subtlety seems to have passed Casey by, along with truthfulness.

[irishkitty24]

I think she needs time to try and heal.

There is not enough time in the world!!!

Sorry, just put dd to bed and am catching up.

[happygert]

I'm not arguing with you either. I just don't see how they obstructed justice.

MO

1) lied to LE

2) Lied To FBI

3) Gave FBI wrong HAIRBRUSH

4) Tampered with evidence.

5) destroyed evidence.

6) Hindered a on going investigation.
need I go on?

[Neffy]

Where does it say that "Cindy heard them whispering"
it DID say that Cindy was basically pacing around the house, in and out of the house, while Lee was trying to talk to Casey, as Cindy was pi$$ed.
I think reading into this scene and saying Cindy heard them whispering is just reading into this.
Cindy was UPset, ranting etc...
Lee further commented that the BR door, where he and Casey were, was not shut.
Cindy was raging mad, as she well SHOULD have been
and many many many thoughts were running through her head.
JUST because she burst into the room and asked "Who took her" does not a conspiracy make, to protect Casey.
At THAT point in time, I think ~protecting Casey~ was not first and foremost in her mind.
She was only trying to figure it out, based on what little information her daughter was coming through with, where Caylee could be, if not with her or with Casey.
She didn't want to accept she was dead, so SOMEbody MUST have her.
imo
(ducking and dodging now)


LEE Anthony says it in his LE interview. See transcript.

[Barbara fl.]

Where does it say that "Cindy heard them whispering"
it DID say that Cindy was basically pacing around the house, in and out of the house, while Lee was trying to talk to Casey, as Cindy was pi$$ed.
I think reading into this scene and saying Cindy heard them whispering is just reading into this.
Cindy was UPset, ranting etc...
Lee further commented that the BR door, where he and Casey were, was not shut.
Cindy was raging mad, as she well SHOULD have been
and many many many thoughts were running through her head.
JUST because she burst into the room and asked "Who took her" does not a conspiracy make, to protect Casey.
At THAT point in time, I think ~protecting Casey~ was not first and foremost in her mind.
She was only trying to figure it out, based on what little information her daughter was coming through with, where Caylee could be, if not with her or with Casey.
She didn't want to accept she was dead, so SOMEbody MUST have her.
imo
(ducking and dodging now)


I too heard that Cindy over heard Casey telling Lee that she hadn't seen Caylee in 31 days and that is when Cindy freaked out and called 911 again...

[Neffy]

You know that how? Did YOU put it there later!? :w00t:

Oh no you di'nt! ROFLMAO!

[legalmania]

I do not get your point , expound a bit . If refering to scattered bones , of course animals drug them off , you can see parts of the white bag shredded in the crime scene photos , looks like it was clawed and the animals took the bones , but the bag was still there .

The bag had to be there all along because the bag was in a spot and the scattered bones were consistent with the bag, in other words the bones weren't miles from the bag.

[Anakerie]

Did you forget LE said they went to the spot ,they checked it out , 2wice .once they were there for 5 minutes ,the 2nd 7 minutes ,another time a snake scared the cop off , the utility guy told them the EXACT SPOT , that SPOT was not in the middle of the woods , it was not deep in the woods it was at the edge of the woods where just beside it is a direct opening of land .......when they went to that SITE where the utility worker drig them by the nose ,they were not out on calls for the other 4000 tips , they were on that CALL , there is no excuse , especially not the snake excuse its a joke .....of course let me remind ,there is that other alternative!
If I remember right, the FIRST time the meter reader called in his tip, he didn't stick around for the investigators to check it out. The second tip went to Crimeline and the address was slightly different from the first (and from the final location) and the fellow who took the tip thought that the area had already been searched by dogs and cleared. The third call, the meter reader MET the cops and showed them the general area.

We don't even KNOW if the bag he was calling about back in August was the same color as the bag the bones were found in. Why pound on the meter reader and the cops who were trying desperately to find a lost child by sorting through thousands of tips? Could you have done any better?

[breezie]

Thats makes sense doesn't it .That was very well thought out .

I don't believe anyone moved that bag with Caylee in it. Maybe the flood waters, but no one else. Casey, lazy azz that she is, put her there. End of topic.

[sunstar]

May I please ask does it look like she was killed in the back yard?What do the police think happened?

I recall a document with the house listed as the crime scene. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

May I please ask does it look like she was killed in the back yard?What do the police think happened?


I would think at this point that they believe the murder took place in the Anthony home...they made it a crime scene for a couple of days...As for them saying what they think happened...we will probably have to wait till the trial to find that out...but guaranteed "murder"....

[FrankieBones1]

Subtlety seems to have passed Casey by, along with truthfulness.Hi, sweety. I've got Nancy's rerun show on and it's one that I missed before. They've been playing Kronk's calls to 911. I always thought the bag was white ever since Nancy said it was opaque weeks ago. Now, Kronk confirms this with his calls. He also says that it seems to be a downed tree over the bag. I wonder if Casey tried to pull a small tree down over Caylee's remains.

[Oregongal]

That's reasonable to think. I would think so too. However Cindy talked over George all thru that interview. I saw it on Greta and she replayed clips of it a couple of times after that on her show on Fox.

I'm not sure what you're referring to exactly in your second paragraph except I'll say that I believe Lee ditched key evidence. Meaning destroyed, moved, got rid of, or virused, or erased from computers, absconded with, etc.

I agree with what you said about Lee Adalena.
Like I said last night it took him over two hours to go to Tony's that fateful July 16th night to retrieve Casey's belongings. To me that time just seems to be a bit too long to drive a few miles to Tony's, especially in the wee hours of the morning/night with little traffic and gather her stuff, which he admitted was wonderfully organized. So it would seem that he didn't have to go searching all over the apt to gather things her things from here, there and everywhere. Then drive back to the Ant's. Am I remembering that Lee is also some sort IT tech? If so, he would be more than capable of trashing/crashing that puter. If I'm wrong on this, please correct me. So many details, so little memory. :wink:
Could also mean he stopped off at some dumpster or even his home to get rid of something he may have thought would be incriminating for her.
If so, this could explain the 'maybe charges will be filed' news we've recently gotten.

[steffaroob4]

Usually in the front of the property.

Thanks, I know that I have one that is actualy in the ground, it isn't even on my property, every single time there is a new meter reader, we have to go take a hike to show them where it is. Because of water runoff, it often ends up covered with dirt and crap, so the MR will get a shovel out and dig it out, there is a pole marking the location of where it is buried. I have wondered if he could have been parked at that spot to eat lunch, when I lived in FL I can recall the local police and utility workers would park near our house in this great shady spot and eat or have a nap.

[Mamie]

A couple of things I thought of to explain it. She never counted on her mom calling 911 to have her arrested after the car had been retrieved from impound, or on LE not believing her ZG the nanny abduction story because her parents always bought her lies and she never counted on Caylee's remains being found. MOO


I keep going back to what Casey told Lee and Lee told LE in his interview and I think Casey was only prepared up to when she got caught by her mother, whether her mother came and got her in person or got hold of her on the phone. (Which is another mystery, why wouldn't her mom keep calling her phone if she didn't get hold of her or how many times did she call in the past few days?) Anyhow, back to Casey being prepared only for saying Caylee was asleep over at the nanny's and they could go get her in the morning. Then in the morning they would all discover together that the nanny had skipped out taking Caylee with her and it wouldn't be Casey's fault. But she still could have played out that scenario that night, couldn't she? So I don't understand since the results would have been the same after they all got there to make the discovery she didn't go ahead with that that night. Trying to spin new stories to fit the puzzle gives me a headache! JMO

[Anakerie]

So how did the utility guy see it from the road then ???????????? !
HE DIDN"T!

He went INTO the woods... The original reports were that he had gone into the woods to "relieve" himself and spotted the bag....

[MalloryCat]

I agree with what you said about Lee Adalena.
Like I said last night it took him over two hours to go to Tony's that fateful July 16th night to retrieve Casey's belongings. To me that time just seems to be a bit too long to drive a few miles to Tony's, especially in the wee hours of the morning/night with little traffic and gather her stuff, which he admitted was wonderfully organized. So it would seem that he didn't have to go searching all over the apt to gather things her things from here, there and everywhere. Then drive back to the Ant's. Am I remembering that Lee is also some sort IT tech? If so, he would be more than capable of trashing/crashing that puter. If I'm wrong on this, please correct me. So many details, so little memory. :wink:
Could also mean he stopped off at some dumpster or even his home to get rid of something he may have thought would be incriminating for her.
If so, this could explain the 'maybe charges will be filed' news we've recently gotten.

You can always tell if someone has manipulated a computer, how about if there was something to hide, drive the car to a dumpster far away and get rid of it? There is nothing Lee could do to mask anything.

[Barbara fl.]

It was DEC 11th he says he took his pee ...................it was august 11,12,13th in his calls that he said point blank ........he saw this on the side of raod and he is not going in there !!!! He said twice he killed a snake there and he ain't going in there ,which means he had to SEE it from the ROAD . Unless hes lying huh ???


Sorry...but I do not remember the media saying what day exactly the meter reader was releaving himself......I think it would go without saying that it was on Aug 11th...when the first call was placed....The bag was not able to be seen from the road so therefore I think it safe to say it was then....On Dec 11th is when he went back to the spot to recheck it out (if he had to urinate again, I don't know) but it was then that he went to the bag and made the discovery.....

The body had to be somewhere, and it could have been at anyone of the 5000 tips that came in....this spot would not have taken priority over any other call....ALL the areas were basically in the neighborhood seeing as Casey never left the area..

The body was there all along and human error didn't find it when we would have liked to....just be happy it was found.....

[VII]

So how did the utility guy see it from the road then ???????????? !


I thought he saw it when he stepped ever so slightly into the woods to
relieve himself? :confused:

[legalmania]

Thanks, I know that I have one that is actualy in the ground, it isn't even on my property, every single time there is a new meter reader, we have to go take a hike to show them where it is. Because of water runoff, it often ends up covered with dirt and crap, so the MR will get a shovel out and dig it out, there is a pole marking the location of where it is buried. I have wondered if he could have been parked at that spot to eat lunch, when I lived in FL I can recall the local police and utility workers would park near our house in this great shady spot and eat or have a nap.

Sounds nice. Our meter use to get ants on top of it. I always felt sorry for the MR who had to reach in and wipe it off and then get ants all over them.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Good evening all,
Thanks for this link Cury, I thought I had it bookmarked, but alas I didn't.
Going thru all these motions...there sure are a ton of them...I noticed on 12/16 there was a sworn affidavet of Timothy Juntington filed in open court.
I've never heard or seen this name before...anyone know who he is?
TIA


http://www.lawyersandjudges.com/contributorinfo.cfm?ContribID=1573
http://www.cune.edu/academics/12568/

[funkyflower]

Where does it say that "Cindy heard them whispering"
<snipped>(ducking and dodging now)

You are right, it doesn't say that Casey was whispering, Lee said *HE* started whispering after she admitted she'd not seen Caylee in 31 days. But never did he say Casey whispered it to him.

No need to duck or dodge, you are right on the facts as stated in that interview.

[steffaroob4]

Sounds nice. Our meter use to get ants on top of it. I always felt sorry for the MR who had to reach in and wipe it off and then get ants all over them.

Ants are the one thing I do not miss about FL, I will never understand how casey could have put that baby outside where the critters were.
I can't wait to hear the meter readers story, I am sure he is just as curious some of us are.

[bchand]

Its like me calling the police and telling them I smell a dead body in the woods across from my house and I see a bag too and the bag is not far off the road at all ...I tell them the EXACT spot , its easy do do becayse it is right where the woods start , no misding the spot . I call again and again and 4 months later I decide to look in bag ---OOPS , now they see it too .....come on its plain as day !

Just like the LE not taking a car that smelled like decomp and there was a 2 year old missing ..please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like the anthonys ever stopped them from taking thjat car away that night ...please !!!!

When do YOU think LE took the car?

[breezie]

1.What did they lie to LE about? With intent?
2.What did they lie to FBI about? With intent?
3.From what I have read, Cindy gave a hairbrush use both by Casey and Caylee.
4.What evidence did they tamper with? Knowingly?
5.What evidence did they destroy? With intent?
6.Here is what my beef is: Do you think LE would let Cindy hinder an ongoing investigation?

I don't think LE is *letting* Cindy hinder their investigation. Her lies just add a layer of circumstantial evidence imho. Give enough rope and all.... I think they've put together their case against Casey DESPITE the efforts of Cindy, George and Lee.

I doubt they would charge them before the trial. Why put them on notice. They might be more afraid of perjury....

Lee's the wildcard. They may exchange prosecution on him for truthful testimony. That could be a deal in the making. I doubt he would go to jail for Casey. At the center, all the Anthonys are for themselves first, then Casey, then ...that girl...you know...the granddaughter. CAYLEE.

[suzanne]

I recall a document with the house listed as the crime scene. MOO
Ok,I can understand that.

[Anakerie]

with out doubt ! Gauranteed
Oh brother.... :rolleyes:

20/20 hindsight works wonders, doesn't it?


I'm done with this argument...

[MalloryCat]

You got me. lol. I did not know that, there is plenty I do not know. thanks, there goes that theory. what happened when she went there. ? who did she see/ask for Casey. Did they tell her that she was no longer employed. ?? How do we know she went there? Did she say it to L.E. now you got me curious. It is difficult to believe that they thought she worked. income tax, stimulus check, etc. thanks gogo

She found out Casey did not work there, and then I think thats when she went home and opened the myspace account and wrote that blog. Its unfortunate her worst fears have been confirmed.

jmo

[Amy]

1.What did they lie to LE about? With intent?
2.What did they lie to FBI about? With intent?
3.From what I have read, Cindy gave a hairbrush use both by Casey and Caylee.
4.What evidence did they tamper with? Knowingly?
5.What evidence did they destroy? With intent?
6.Here is what my beef is: Do you think LE would let Cindy hinder an ongoing investigation?

3. But she also admitted that she had a hairbrush that was used only for Caylee. Now, wouldn't that have made id of the hair just so much easier if they didn't have sort out between Caylee and Casey's hair. Oh, yeah, it would have. I'm sure that is why, when she tho't about what to give (she said this in an interview regarding the hairbrush email) that she chose the one with both girls' hair.

[VII]

LEE Anthony says it in his LE interview. See transcript.

Begging to differ ...
I've read the transcript of which you speak ...
He didn't say she overheard them whispering.
He said they were talking low = whispering.
Cindy had been outside and when she came back in
she burst into the room just as Casey had begun confide in him ....
He was trying to speak in low tones to get Casey to TALK to him as he was trying to mediate the conflict that was going on, that he could see, when Cindy and Casey arrived at the house.
I don't think he intended to say that he knew what Cindy overheard ...
I don't think she overheard anything, she was pi$$ed and saying whatever came to her mind.
Like another poster reminded a few min's ago
her FIRST question was
"What have you done"
rambling questions came after that.

[legalmania]

Ants are the one thing I do not miss about FL, I will never understand how casey could have put that baby outside where the critters were.
I can't wait to hear the meter readers story, I am sure he is just as curious some of us are.

I wonder if she realized how close she was to dying herself. If that snake would have bit her. The strange things is that rattlesnakes are not foreign to Florida. So she brought evil there, snakes are a sign of evil.

[Barbara fl.]

How about this- she killed caylee in a FIT of WHATEVER (rage, jealousy, stupidity, psychosis,....) and from that point on it was one day at a time. her story is nonsensical and disjointed because she is trying to fit the day to day puzzle together to fit known timelines and events and its just not workin' out for her. She gets through one more day and says to herself, "whew, day 9 and I am still in the clear...." "Oh, here I am at day 23 and still free as a bird, maybe I will get away with this".... She had no long term plan. I believe LP was right when he said she couldn't think her way around a corner. I thinks that's right.
The murder was such a 'surprise' to her, after that she just stumbled and lied from one thing to another. Not that shes so smart, just that she made sure she surrounded herself with her own 'fan club'. Less peeps to argue and question what she says. Like LE did from the minute they got onto the case, even tho it took 3 phone calls and 31 days for the Anthonys to spill it. And when I say 'surprise', I don't mean that Casey was 'surprised" she killed caylee, because I believe that she was planning to kill Caylee at some point, or it had flashed through her mind- at some point, before it actually happened. This is JMO..

abbie


Your opinion is very good and it seems to fit the events.....

[Mimi428]

Cindy's, and Casey's, lying is a function of mental defect like antisocial personality disorder or sociopathic (psychopathic) behavior. I believe that they reinforced the illness between themselves.

I'm jumping ahead about 20 pages, so if what I write has already been cussed & discussed to pieces, my apologies in advance.

Cindy is actually not similar to Casey at all when it comes to lying. Here is the difference, and it is a gigantic difference.

Cindy lies out of LOYALTY. I'm not saying her loyalty to Casey is deserved, I am simply pointing out that the psychopath has NO loyalty whatsoever. Just like the psychopath has no empathy. You will NEVER see or hear one single thing from Casey that shows loyalty to anyone.

Cindy at times is frantic in her lies. Casey is cool, calm & collected. Another important differentiation between someone who may be suffering from some emotional/mental issues & someone who is a psychopath.

The personalities are very, very different, IMO.

[bchand]

Oh brother.... :rolleyes:

20/20 hindsight works wonders, doesn't it?


I'm done with this argument...


Just not worth it is it Anakerie?

[joolz]

I wonder if she realized how close she was to dying herself. If that snake would have bit her. The strange things is that rattlesnakes are not foreign to Florida. So she brought evil there, snakes are a sign of evil.

Who brought evil where? Casey didn't bring snakes to the spot where she dumped her poor little daughter - what do you mean?

[sunstar]

I keep going back to what Casey told Lee and Lee told LE in his interview and I think Casey was only prepared up to when she got caught by her mother, whether her mother came and got her in person or got hold of her on the phone. (Which is another mystery, why wouldn't her mom keep calling her phone if she didn't get hold of her or how many times did she call in the past few days?) Anyhow, back to Casey being prepared only for saying Caylee was asleep over at the nanny's and they could go get her in the morning. Then in the morning they would all discover together that the nanny had skipped out taking Caylee with her and it wouldn't be Casey's fault. But she still could have played out that scenario that night, couldn't she? So I don't understand since the results would have been the same after they all got there to make the discovery she didn't go ahead with that that night. Trying to spin new stories to fit the puzzle gives me a headache! JMO

That might have worked out a little better for her if she had made it seem the abduction just happened when Cindy tracked her down instead of saying it's been 31 days. One of the big things pointing to Casey's guilt of deliberately killing Caylee is the not reporting it and all her activities during that month. MOO

[Mamie]

You are right, it doesn't say that Casey was whispering, Lee said *HE* started whispering after she admitted she'd not seen Caylee in 31 days. But never did he say Casey whispered it to him.

No need to duck or dodge, you are right on the facts as stated in that interview.

Wait a sec------don't give out a gold star just yet----lol, the question was "where did it say that Cindy heard them whispering" and in your answer you never mentioned Cindy. The question was Cindy hearing them whispering, not Casey was whispering. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I wonder if she realized how close she was to dying herself. If that snake would have bit her. The strange things is that rattlesnakes are not foreign to Florida. So she brought evil there, snakes are a sign of evil.


Yes...snakes represent the devil.....it's a shame that it wasn't there whne she was throwing her daughter away like garbage.....

[steffaroob4]

Its like me calling the police and telling them I smell a dead body in the woods across from my house and I see a bag too and the bag is not far off the road at all ...I tell them the EXACT spot , its easy do do becayse it is right where the woods start , no misding the spot . I call again and again and 4 months later I decide to look in bag ---OOPS , now they see it too .....come on its plain as day !

Just like the LE not taking a car that smelled like decomp and there was a 2 year old missing ..please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like the anthonys ever stopped them from taking thjat car away that night ...please !!!!

Did you listen to the meter readers calls? He didn't even know the right street names.

I think LE was a little busy trying to get a straight story from casey, that didn't work so they arrested her, then they got the car.

Who sprays Fabreeze and cleans out a car that smells like decomp, when they haven't seen or heard from a person that rode in that car daily for over a month? Let's not forget Caylee's favorite doll was left in that car, casey's clothes and items were being taken out of that house for a month and not one toy or clothes item for Caylee was taken, and you get out the Fabreeze????

[Neffy]

Begging to differ ...
I've read the transcript of which you speak ...
He didn't say she overheard them whispering.
He said they were talking low = whispering.
Cindy had been outside and when she came back in
she burst into the room just as Casey had begun confide in him ....
He was trying to speak in low tones to get Casey to TALK to him as he was trying to mediate the conflict that was going on, that he could see, when Cindy and Casey arrived at the house.
I don't think he intended to say that he knew what Cindy overheard ...
I don't think she overheard anything, she was pi$$ed and saying whatever came to her mind.
Like another poster reminded a few min's ago
her FIRST question was
"What have you done"
rambling questions came after that.

I saw it, saw the other poster was wrong to as to the facts thanks for bringing it up again.

Personally I probably injected my thoughts into the facts aka the transcripts. IMO Cindy would try to listen in especially after her question of "what have you done".

[MalloryCat]

I'm jumping ahead about 20 pages, so if what I write has already been cussed & discussed to pieces, my apologies in advance.

Cindy is actually not similar to Casey at all when it comes to lying. Here is the difference, and it is a gigantic difference.

Cindy lies out of LOYALTY. I'm not saying her loyalty to Casey is deserved, I am simply pointing out that the psychopath has NO loyalty whatsoever. Just like the psychopath has no empathy. You will NEVER see or hear one single thing from Casey that shows loyalty to anyone.

Cindy at times is frantic in her lies. Casey is cool, calm & collected. Another important differentiation between someone who may be suffering from some emotional/mental issues & someone who is a psychopath.

The personalities are very, very different, IMO.

Great post!!!!!!

[funkyflower]

I'm jumping ahead about 20 pages, so if what I write has already been cussed & discussed to pieces, my apologies in advance.

Cindy is actually not similar to Casey at all when it comes to lying. Here is the difference, and it is a gigantic difference.

Cindy lies out of LOYALTY. I'm not saying her loyalty to Casey is deserved, I am simply pointing out that the psychopath has NO loyalty whatsoever. Just like the psychopath has no empathy. You will NEVER see or hear one single thing from Casey that shows loyalty to anyone.

Cindy at times is frantic in her lies. Casey is cool, calm & collected. Another important differentiation between someone who may be suffering from some emotional/mental issues & someone who is a psychopath.

The personalities are very, very different, IMO.

I didn't snip this because its a very insightful post. I wanted to include how George lies. In his interview, he admits even his loss of money due to some scam, which he says his wife think was a gambling thing.

I wonder, does Lee lie? Or as it appears, he is the glue holding together a house full of crap? Is that his ultimate lie, that they are all screwed up and he never admits it fully?
IMO

[happygert]

1.What did they lie to LE about? With intent?
2.What did they lie to FBI about? With intent?
3.From what I have read, Cindy gave a hairbrush use both by Casey and Caylee.
4.What evidence did they tamper with? Knowingly?
5.What evidence did they destroy? With intent?
6.Here is what my beef is: Do you think LE would let Cindy hinder an ongoing investigation?

OMG! read trancripts .......

[Barbara fl.]

Wait a sec------don't give out a gold star just yet----lol, the question was "where did it say that Cindy heard them whispering" and in your answer you never mentioned Cindy. The question was Cindy hearing them whispering, not Casey was whispering. JMO


We are ALL truly sounding like jurors deliberating :biggrin: every word is being scrutinized....

By the time the trial begins we will have this case solved...guaranteed....:thumbsup:

And WE ALL know what the verdict will be......:thumbdown:

[funkyflower]

Wait a sec------don't give out a gold star just yet----lol, the question was "where did it say that Cindy heard them whispering" and in your answer you never mentioned Cindy. The question was Cindy hearing them whispering, not Casey was whispering. JMO

lol *now where did I put those silver stars*

Seriously, here's your link. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308leeanthony/1/lg/DOC_20080923141138_000_Page_10.htm

And its pages 10-14 or so. We were discussing what Lee said in his interview, not what Cindy heard.

[Anakerie]

Just not worth it is it Anakerie?
**sigh** Nope, it sure isn't.

[legalmania]

Who brought evil where? Casey didn't bring snakes to the spot where she dumped her poor little daughter - what do you mean?

Dumping Caylee there and leaving her was evil.

[sunstar]

Yes...snakes represent the devil.....it's a shame that it wasn't there whne she was throwing her daughter away like garbage.....

Or better yet too bad her car didn't get rear ended when she had Caylee in the trunk. ;) MOO

[joolz]

Dumping Caylee there and leaving her was evil.

Of course it was. That isn't what I asked, but that's okay.:smile:

[Mamie]

How about this- she killed caylee in a FIT of WHATEVER (rage, jealousy, stupidity, psychosis,....) and from that point on it was one day at a time. her story is nonsensical and disjointed because she is trying to fit the day to day puzzle together to fit known timelines and events and its just not workin' out for her. She gets through one more day and says to herself, "whew, day 9 and I am still in the clear...." "Oh, here I am at day 23 and still free as a bird, maybe I will get away with this".... She had no long term plan. I believe LP was right when he said she couldn't think her way around a corner. I thinks that's right.
The murder was such a 'surprise' to her, after that she just stumbled and lied from one thing to another. Not that shes so smart, just that she made sure she surrounded herself with her own 'fan club'. Less peeps to argue and question what she says. Like LE did from the minute they got onto the case, even tho it took 3 phone calls and 31 days for the Anthonys to spill it. And when I say 'surprise', I don't mean that Casey was 'surprised" she killed caylee, because I believe that she was planning to kill Caylee at some point, or it had flashed through her mind- at some point, before it actually happened. This is JMO..

abbie


That's pretty good Abbie, truly! I agree with some of the things you say Casey is, like not planning too far ahead for now situations and she felt safer being among people she liked being among----partiers, friends. And actually, they were her prize. JMO

[Oregongal]

New Reward Offered To Man Who Found Caylee's Remains (http://www.wesh.com/news/18371232/detail.html)
Leesburg Man Adds Caylee To Missing Children's Memorial

Kronk's attorney confirmed to WESH 2 that they are now considering an offer made by NeJame, who is offering a $5,000 reward to Kronk. That amount represents the money NeJame made while serving as the Anthony family's representative.

Thanks for this steff. I liked reading the whole article...about the reward and about that Leesburg man and his memorial. That memorial will be one the Ant's won't be able to try and dismantle.
I also think that Mr. Kronk deserves this reward offered by NeJames, if he's able legally considering he's a county employee and all.
If it wasn't for him, Caylee would still be out there. More time would be passing for any evidence that was discovered to maybe be gone forever.
The Ant's would still be all over the media spewing about live Caylee tips and Casey's innocence.
His persistance and 'feeling' that this could be Caylee was what finally brought Caylee out of her trash bags. It has also given the State the body which will certainly help immensley in the prosecution of PPOF.
I also know he is a widower, does he have any children? If so, maybe this can help him do something special for them. I think Caylee would like that.
This man did what was right. Why shouldn't he be rewarded for it? Especially since I've gotten the feeling he wasn't doing it for any monetary reason, just for the basic human need to do what was right.
I also feel that Mr. NeJames would feel better about his ever having anything to do with this odious family. Especially considering it's the amount of $$ he made representing them. It seems he's trying to make amends for his involvement with them.
And, sorry to say, but it would be a figuritive slap in the Ant's face...using the money he got from them to give to the man who brought an end to the search of our angel.

[legalmania]

Yes...snakes represent the devil.....it's a shame that it wasn't there whne she was throwing her daughter away like garbage.....

Yes, imagine if it had bit her? I wonder if she would have gotten help like she didn't do for her daughter or if she would have died next to her?

[VII]

3. But she also admitted that she had a hairbrush that was used only for Caylee. Now, wouldn't that have made id of the hair just so much easier if they didn't have sort out between Caylee and Casey's hair. Oh, yeah, it would have. I'm sure that is why, when she tho't about what to give (she said this in an interview regarding the hairbrush email) that she chose the one with both girls' hair.

about the hair evidence in the trunk ...
where do I get the idea that the hair in the trunk could have been determined to belong to Caylee, if all they'd had was samples of Casey's hair = mytochondrial (sp?) DNA.
and
was the hair found in the trunk not id'd as conclusive that it belonged to Caylee?
at the time of testing ...
we now know for certain.
The inconclusive nature of that testing, at that time, is what Baez was going to jump all over in a defense he was preparing at that point?

just thinkin' out loud.

[happygert]

Or better yet too bad her car didn't get rear ended when she had Caylee in the trunk. ;) MOO

Yes ITA.....My niece was under age she got hit in back end trunk came open PD found bottle of booze in there...She thought she was being clever...Nope busted! In more ways then one.

[funkyflower]

Who brought evil where? Casey didn't bring snakes to the spot where she dumped her poor little daughter - what do you mean?
She didnt need a serpent, she IS the snake.

[steffaroob4]

Thanks for this steff. I liked reading the whole article...about the reward and about that Leesburg man and his memorial. That memorial will be one the Ant's won't be able to try and dismantle.
I also think that Mr. Kronk deserves this reward offered by NeJames, if he's able legally considering he's a county employee and all.
If it wasn't for him, Caylee would still be out there. More time would be passing for any evidence that was discovered to maybe be gone forever.
The Ant's would still be all over the media spewing about live Caylee tips and Casey's innocence.
His persistance and 'feeling' that this could be Caylee was what finally brought Caylee out of her trash bags. It has also given the State the body which will certainly help immensley in the prosecution of PPOF.
I also know he is a widower, does he have any children? If so, maybe this can help him do something special for them. I think Caylee would like that.
This man did what was right. Why shouldn't he be rewarded for it? Especially since I've gotten the feeling he wasn't doing it for any monetary reason, just for the basic human need to do what was right.
I also feel that Mr. NeJames would feel better about his ever having anything to do with this odious family. Especially considering it's the amount of $$ he made representing them. It seems he's trying to make amends for his involvement with them.
And, sorry to say, but it would be a figuritive slap in the Ant's face...using the money he got from them to give to the man who brought an end to the search of our angel.

ITA- I think NeJames is doing a very nice thing. I wish I knew all the stuff he knows.

[happygert]

She didnt need a serpent, she IS the snake.

IMO she's lower then a snake . Snakes protect their young.

[legalmania]

Thanks for this steff. I liked reading the whole article...about the reward and about that Leesburg man and his memorial. That memorial will be one the Ant's won't be able to try and dismantle.
I also think that Mr. Kronk deserves this reward offered by NeJames, if he's able legally considering he's a county employee and all.
If it wasn't for him, Caylee would still be out there. More time would be passing for any evidence that was discovered to maybe be gone forever.
The Ant's would still be all over the media spewing about live Caylee tips and Casey's innocence.
His persistance and 'feeling' that this could be Caylee was what finally brought Caylee out of her trash bags. It has also given the State the body which will certainly help immensley in the prosecution of PPOF.
I also know he is a widower, does he have any children? If so, maybe this can help him do something special for them. I think Caylee would like that.
This man did what was right. Why shouldn't he be rewarded for it? Especially since I've gotten the feeling he wasn't doing it for any monetary reason, just for the basic human need to do what was right.
I also feel that Mr. NeJames would feel better about his ever having anything to do with this odious family. Especially considering it's the amount of $$ he made representing them. It seems he's trying to make amends for his involvement with them.
And, sorry to say, but it would be a figuritive slap in the Ant's face...using the money he got from them to give to the man who brought an end to the search of our angel.

I'm hoping Mr. Kronk took pictures. It would be so great if he had documented proof of the bag from the three days in Aug.

[Neffy]

about the hair evidence in the trunk ...
where do I get the idea that the hair in the trunk could have been determined to belong to Caylee, if all they'd had was samples of Casey's hair = mytochondrial (sp?) DNA.
and
was the hair found in the trunk not id'd as conclusive that it belonged to Caylee?
at the time of testing ...
we now know for certain.
The inconclusive nature of that testing, at that time, is what Baez was going to jump all over in a defense he was preparing at that point?

just thinkin' out loud.

Wasn't it conclusive that it was determined that that strand of hair came from someone deceased?

Someone matching Casey's mychondrial DNA. I know we depend on science alot but c'mon. Whose hair could that be in light of ALL the facts now?

[MalloryCat]

I'm hoping Mr. Kronk took pictures. It would be so great if he had documented proof of the bag from the three days in Aug.

Oh, yeah, who is that good for, Baez and Casey? Thats like the prosecutions worst nightmare, and you want that?

[VII]

George relating a conversation he & Cindy had:

I said, technically sweetie they can come after you, they can come after us because we're withholding information.

George then recalls that Cindy said George I'm gonna do my own investigation.

George then tells Cindy we're gonna have to get an attorney pretty soon if you keep screwing things... You got to back up.

Taped Transcript Of George Anthony Interview ~ July 24th ~ Pages 63 & 64 (http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/georgeanthony%20july24.pdf)

The criminal defense attorney representing Cindy & George said he plans to meet with the lead prosecutor and detectives to ask for full immunity for the Anthonys.

Anthonys: "We Pray These Remains Are Not Caylee" (http://www.wftv.com/news/18282120/detail.html#-)


but could it not also be true that what Cindy thought she knew at that time/was investigating means nothing since we now know the rest of the story?
Could it be that what they thought they may be hiding has no bearing on this case whatsoever, at this point?
If that is the case, then HOW would that withholding of information be used in an obstruction charge?

[legalmania]

about the hair evidence in the trunk ...
where do I get the idea that the hair in the trunk could have been determined to belong to Caylee, if all they'd had was samples of Casey's hair = mitochondrial (Sp?) DNA.
and
was the hair found in the trunk not id'd as conclusive that it belonged to Caylee?
at the time of testing ...
we now know for certain.
The inconclusive nature of that testing, at that time, is what Baez was going to jump all over in a defense he was preparing at that point?

just thinking' out loud.

They can also test for decomposition. I believe they found fluids.

[nc1948]

IMO she may have left the car there knowing it probably would be towed.

Heres another thought to. Casey left her purse in that car. With money in her purse...Maybe she was going to say someone Carjacked her with Caylee in the car.

That was always the scenario I felt fit the best. Then the car thieves/kidnappers would be accused of killing Caylee as their finger prints would be all over the car. Then Casey could play the poor agrieved Mother (Make that Mother of theYear) with everyone saying what a great mother she was. All the attention in the world would be rained down on her.

[VII]

That might have worked out a little better for her if she had made it seem the abduction just happened when Cindy tracked her down instead of saying it's been 31 days. One of the big things pointing to Casey's guilt of deliberately killing Caylee is the not reporting it and all her activities during that month. MOO


Yes, and that statement brings us back to the REAL perpetrator/murderer.
NOT the parents being on trial for their irrational responses to an unbelievable situation.
The parents/GRANDparents, should not be on trial.
I'm hopeful that LE has been able to connect the dots for them since this case is concluding as it is.
omo

[sunstar]

Wasn't it conclusive that it was determined that that strand of hair came from someone deceased?

Someone matching Casey's mychondrial DNA. I know we depend on science alot but c'mon. Whose hair could that be in light of ALL the facts now?

Yes it had a 'death band' on it. I agree ~ who else could it be? And if Casey didn't have anything to do with Caylee's death, how would the hair get in her car trunk? MOO

[MalloryCat]

Yes, and that statement brings us back to the REAL perpetrator/murderer.
NOT the parents being on trial for their irrational responses to an unbelievable situation.
The parents/GRANDparents, should not be on trial.
I'm hopeful that LE has been able to connect the dots for them since this case is concluding as it is.
omo


I agree, I still cant figure out why people blame the parents to make an excuse for a child murderer. They basically are dulling what Casey did by blaming her parents and making excuses for her, just like the ANTHONYS.

jmo

[Neffy]

That was always the scenario I felt fit the best. Then the car thieves/kidnappers would be accused of killing Caylee as their finger prints would be all over the car. Then Casey could play the poor agrieved Mother (Make that Mother of theYear) with everyone saying what a great mother she was. All the attention in the world would be rained down on her.

I didn't even give her that much credit. I figured she left it like she'd thrown a gum wrapper on the ground or I'll deal with it later, tonight there's a party I have to get to.

[legalmania]

Oh, yeah, who is that good for, Baez and Casey? Thats like the prosecutions worst nightmare, and you want that?

You mean the defenses worst nightmare. The prosecution would be sitting pretty, because I bet the defense is going to try to say the bag wasn't there.

[happygert]

That was always the scenario I felt fit the best. Then the car thieves/kidnappers would be accused of killing Caylee as their finger prints would be all over the car. Then Casey could play the poor agrieved Mother (Make that Mother of theYear) with everyone saying what a great mother she was. All the attention in the world would be rained down on her.

Exactly! center of attention ..

[sunstar]

That was always the scenario I felt fit the best. Then the car thieves/kidnappers would be accused of killing Caylee as their finger prints would be all over the car. Then Casey could play the poor agrieved Mother (Make that Mother of theYear) with everyone saying what a great mother she was. All the attention in the world would be rained down on her.

Susan Smith already tried that scenario and it didn't work. But Casey called her b/f to pick her up so that cancelled out any chance of a carjacking story. :) MOO

[VII]

lol *now where did I put those silver stars*

Seriously, here's your link. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/092308leeanthony/1/lg/DOC_20080923141138_000_Page_10.htm

And its pages 10-14 or so. We were discussing what Lee said in his interview, not what Cindy heard.

yes, because ...
if Lee said what he *thought* Cindy overheard...
well,
that would be hearsay....
inadmissable.

[Neffy]

I agree, I still cant figure out why people blame the parents to make an excuse for a child murderer. They basically are dulling what Casey did by blaming her parents and making excuses for her, just like the ANTHONYS.

jmo


OMG! The parents are being taken to task on different charges posters think they are responsible for HINDERING THE INVESTGATION AND OBSTRUCTION not MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE!

Two very distinct very clear differences.

NO ONE has put the parents on trial for MURDER nor has anyone excused Casey . The only one making excuses are Casey's Parents.

[Carol25]

Thanks for this steff. I liked reading the whole article...about the reward and about that Leesburg man and his memorial. That memorial will be one the Ant's won't be able to try and dismantle.
I also think that Mr. Kronk deserves this reward offered by NeJames, if he's able legally considering he's a county employee and all.
If it wasn't for him, Caylee would still be out there. More time would be passing for any evidence that was discovered to maybe be gone forever.
The Ant's would still be all over the media spewing about live Caylee tips and Casey's innocence.
His persistance and 'feeling' that this could be Caylee was what finally brought Caylee out of her trash bags. It has also given the State the body which will certainly help immensley in the prosecution of PPOF.
I also know he is a widower, does he have any children? If so, maybe this can help him do something special for them. I think Caylee would like that.
This man did what was right. Why shouldn't he be rewarded for it? Especially since I've gotten the feeling he wasn't doing it for any monetary reason, just for the basic human need to do what was right.
I also feel that Mr. NeJames would feel better about his ever having anything to do with this odious family. Especially considering it's the amount of $$ he made representing them. It seems he's trying to make amends for his involvement with them.
And, sorry to say, but it would be a figuritive slap in the Ant's face...using the money he got from them to give to the man who brought an end to the search of our angel.
Think I may send NeJames a Christmas plant! It was a very good gesture!

[happygert]

Yes it had a 'death band' on it. I agree ~ who else could it be? And if Casey didn't have anything to do with Caylee's death, how would the hair get in her car trunk? MOO

Yep and it was MDNA.. so it had to be Shirley, Cindy, Casey, Caylee or Lee and we all know everyone is accounted for except Caylee.

[legalmania]

That was always the scenario I felt fit the best. Then the car thieves/kidnappers would be accused of killing Caylee as their finger prints would be all over the car. Then Casey could play the poor agrieved Mother (Make that Mother of theYear) with everyone saying what a great mother she was. All the attention in the world would be rained down on her.

Kidnapping just doesn't make sense. They usually pick people with money. Casey and her parents don't have money.

[funkyflower]

yes, because ...
if Lee said what he *thought* Cindy overheard...
well,
that would be hearsay....
inadmissable.
Yes, and I've gotten through ALL the evidence, except for all of Cindy's interviews because she DRIVES ME NUTS. :huh:What with her leg poppin, candy eatin and yakkin like she's sitting and having a casual convo and bragging to a neighbor about her daughter....:angry:

[Neffy]

Yes, and that statement brings us back to the REAL perpetrator/murderer.
NOT the parents being on trial for their irrational responses to an unbelievable situation.
The parents/GRANDparents, should not be on trial.
I'm hopeful that LE has been able to connect the dots for them since this case is concluding as it is.
omo

Then that other 22yr old in the news should not be taken to task for claiming another Nanny abduction. Heck there wasn't even a baby.

I guess she didn't do anything wrong either, she was irrational with her response to cover lying to her boyfriend about their pretend son. No biggie.

NOT!

It is a biggie and it is illegal.

[Oregongal]

Have you SEEN the crime scene photos , if anyone can LOOK at the crime scene photos which clearly shows how close to the ROAD the bag was and say that it was missed is IMO not facing the truth on THAT matter .There is no conspiracy , its plain some were not doing their job ,not even a half azzzzzz job or the BAG WAS NOT THERE THEN , there is no way around it .


Its not like the bag was deep in thw oods and even if it were there are 2 little strips of woods on the side of the rad , look at the arial views ,but the FACT REMAINS the body was on the side of the road the utility worker led them there by the nose , wither they did not look or the bag was not there , point blank.

Sorry 2theWall, I just couldn't let this go by without commenting.
I have seen the crime scene photos, as did my 28 yr old dd.
And I also have a great respect for LE.
That bag didn't have to 'deep' in the woods. The foliage...the vines, the moss, the palmettos and all the other growing things that I'm not familiar with not being a Floridian, was thick. When my dd and I saw how it looked before the CSI's did the clearing, both of us thought immediately, no wonder no one saw the bag/Caylee.
You make it sound as if there was a big ol bag just out in the open.
First, it was a tiny little girl already decomposed to nothing but bones and the bag most likely most likely didn't look like a bag of garbage. It probably conformed to the decomposing body, flattening out and blending in and became that much more hidden. Apparentley it was also under a palmetto. Under a bush or tree, or whatever they are that continued growing over and around that flattening bag. Plus it was approx. 15 ft from the side of the road in.
There is more I could point out to you....but this is too long already.
BTW, you need to do some proof reading before you hit submit.

[nc1948]

Its like me calling the police and telling them I smell a dead body in the woods across from my house and I see a bag too and the bag is not far off the road at all ...I tell them the EXACT spot , its easy do do becayse it is right where the woods start , no misding the spot . I call again and again and 4 months later I decide to look in bag ---OOPS , now they see it too .....come on its plain as day !

Just like the LE not taking a car that smelled like decomp and there was a 2 year old missing ..please !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! like the anthonys ever stopped them from taking thjat car away that night ...please !!!!

Who do you think killed Caylee. And you do you think planted the body in the woods.

[VII]

Wasn't it conclusive that it was determined that that strand of hair came from someone deceased?

Someone matching Casey's mychondrial DNA. I know we depend on science alot but c'mon. Whose hair could that be in light of ALL the facts now?

Apologies, Neffy.
I'm not saying the hair didn't belong to Caylee.
NOR am I arguing the fact that the hair had the death band.
It did.
THAT was all I needed to know to indicate for certain that Caylee was dead.
NOW, having said that....
I was only trying to get straight in my head about the validity of the hair sample found in the trunk and the inconclusive nature of WHO owned that hair with the death band....
at that time.
and how that would have been used by Baez.
The evidence, in it's entirety, SOLELY skewed by Casey ..
is what will be her demise.
She tried to weave a web of deciet and only caught herself.

[nc1948]

Where does it say that "Cindy heard them whispering"
it DID say that Cindy was basically pacing around the house, in and out of the house, while Lee was trying to talk to Casey, as Cindy was pi$$ed.
I think reading into this scene and saying Cindy heard them whispering is just reading into this.
Cindy was UPset, ranting etc...
Lee further commented that the BR door, where he and Casey were, was not shut.
Cindy was raging mad, as she well SHOULD have been
and many many many thoughts were running through her head.
JUST because she burst into the room and asked "Who took her" does not a conspiracy make, to protect Casey.
At THAT point in time, I think ~protecting Casey~ was not first and foremost in her mind.
She was only trying to figure it out, based on what little information her daughter was coming through with, where Caylee could be, if not with her or with Casey.
She didn't want to accept she was dead, so SOMEbody MUST have her.
imo
(ducking and dodging now)

No throwing anything (I am a bad pitcher and would probably hit something else anyway) but, then why did Cindy not beg the kidnappers to please return Caylee?

[funkyflower]

We have had a few cases lately about ladies so desperate to get another child, they actually cut the child right out of the pregnant lady. They do this, not for money, but because they want a child.


And then, kill it, stick the body in the back on the mother's trunk, have her drive around with it a while, dump it, disappear for 31 days till the Grandparents get a car towed back to the house, then mother pretends Caylee is at the Nanny's and has been searching at nightclubs and never reports her missing, and then finally says she missing...and and and............................................... .................................................. ..............................
yeeeeeeeeeeeessssshhhh, common sense PLEASE. At least make the theory match the case.:tongueside:

[5boxersmom]

Think I may send NeJames a Christmas plant! It was a very good gesture!

That man has really turned out to be great hasn't he? Sorry I ever said anything bad about him.

[VII]

I agree, I still cant figure out why people blame the parents to make an excuse for a child murderer. They basically are dulling what Casey did by blaming her parents and making excuses for her, just like the ANTHONYS.

jmo


uh huh ...
We're sitting here *making excuses* for Casey and what she has done by trying to figure out how she GOT that way and blaming her parents for it.
While at the same time, damning the Anthony's for *making excuses* for Casey.
6 of 1
half dozen of the other.

[legalmania]

We have had a few cases lately about ladies so desperate to get another child, they actually cut the child right out of the pregnant lady. They do this, not for money, but because they want a child.

A little graphic nick but that's because they want a baby. They don't turn around and kill the baby? I know they take babies from hospitals also, but they don't kill the baby.

[Mamie]

That might have worked out a little better for her if she had made it seem the abduction just happened when Cindy tracked her down instead of saying it's been 31 days. One of the big things pointing to Casey's guilt of deliberately killing Caylee is the not reporting it and all her activities during that month. MOO

Yes, right about that-----why wait until Mom tracks you down----you go to Mom with your story. But then I remember her telling the police that the reaction that her mother had when she found out would have been the same reaction she'd have had early on, so Casey was postponing all the name calling, questions, unending yelling, tears, etc.

I sure hope we find out the truth and ALL OF IT in this trial. It scares me to think if it doesn't come out and Casey somehow gets off----what we are "in for" in the future as a society. JMO

[Oregongal]

http://www.lawyersandjudges.com/contributorinfo.cfm?ContribID=1573
http://www.cune.edu/academics/12568/

Thanks darlin!
:wub:

[Carol25]

Sorry 2theWall, I just couldn't let this go by without commenting.
I have seen the crime scene photos, as did my 28 yr old dd.
And I also have a great respect for LE.
That bag didn't have to 'deep' in the woods. The foliage...the vines, the moss, the palmettos and all the other growing things that I'm not familiar with not being a Floridian, was thick. When my dd and I saw how it looked before the CSI's did the clearing, both of us thought immediately, no wonder no one saw the bag/Caylee.
You make it sound as if there was a big ol bag just out in the open.
First, it was a tiny little girl already decomposed to nothing but bones and the bag most likely most likely didn't look like a bag of garbage. It probably conformed to the decomposing body, flattening out and blending in and became that much more hidden. Apparentley it was also under a palmetto. Under a bush or tree, or whatever they are that continued growing over and around that flattening bag. Plus it was approx. 15 ft from the side of the road in.
There is more I could point out to you....but this is too long already.
BTW, you need to do some proof reading before you hit submit.
Good for you, Oregongal. That bag could have been all over the place due to the water and animals. Didn't I hear the bones covered nearly a half acre site? Dogs love to drag things around.

Anyway. all of this will be moot once the fingerprints from the tape come back.:thumbsup:

[VII]

OMG! The parents are being taken to task on different charges posters think they are responsible for HINDERING THE INVESTGATION AND OBSTRUCTION not MURDER IN THE FIRST DEGREE!

Two very distinct very clear differences.

NO ONE has put the parents on trial for MURDER nor has anyone excused Casey . The only one making excuses are Casey's Parents.

begging to differ, yet again....
Bloggers ARE *making excuses* for Casey by discussing what a horrid person Cindy is ... how she ~controls~ the household, how George is whooped and on and on and on ....
All of these discussions are as if to say "Well, if ONLY the PARENTS had done their JOB raising their daughter RIGHT, none of this would have happened".
It's called an EXCUSE
for Casey.

[nc1948]

1.What did they lie to LE about? With intent?
2.What did they lie to FBI about? With intent?
3.From what I have read, Cindy gave a hairbrush use both by Casey and Caylee.
4.What evidence did they tamper with? Knowingly?
5.What evidence did they destroy? With intent?
6.Here is what my beef is: Do you think LE would let Cindy hinder an ongoing investigation?


Yes, bless there hearts they have done everything in their power to help find their misplaced grandaughter. They have begged and pleaded with kidnappers to return her, they have praised and thanked searchers for all their efforts, they have offered their DNA and fingerprints immediately to help. They are the poster models for grandparents with missing grandchildren. They will go down in history as the grandparents to immulate.

[Oregongal]

We are ALL truly sounding like jurors deliberating :biggrin: every word is being scrutinized....

By the time the trial begins we will have this case solved...guaranteed....:thumbsup:

And WE ALL know what the verdict will be....

Absolutely happy!!
:thumbsup:

ETA, sorry had to erase you thumbsdown smilie....I wanted to give you that thumbsup!

[MalloryCat]

begging to differ, yet again....
Bloggers ARE *making excuses* for Casey by discussing what a horrid person Cindy is ... how she ~controls~ the household, how George is whooped and on and on and on ....
All of these discussions are as if to say "Well, if ONLY the PARENTS had done their JOB raising their daughter RIGHT, none of this would have happened".
It's called an EXCUSE
for Casey.

Thats how I see it, I just saw it a few pages back, someone stated had Cindy been a better Mom Caylee would be alive??? What about Caylees MOTHER who killed her?

Its amazing really.

jmo

[VII]

Yes, and I've gotten through ALL the evidence, except for all of Cindy's interviews because she DRIVES ME NUTS. :huh:What with her leg poppin, candy eatin and yakkin like she's sitting and having a casual convo and bragging to a neighbor about her daughter....:angry:


yeah, I haven't waded through all of that yet either...
Guess I need to get started on it if I'm going to get caught UP before the trial starts.
In what I have seen/heard on the tapes, there are times she IS quite annoying but then there are times she seems quite desparate = clearly avoiding acceptance that her "Shunshine" had been taken away.

[sunstar]

Yep and it was MDNA.. so it had to be Shirley, Cindy, Casey, Caylee or Lee and we all know everyone is accounted for except Caylee.

I do wonder how LKB will explain that part of the evidence away. :unsure:

[Oregongal]

about the hair evidence in the trunk ...
where do I get the idea that the hair in the trunk could have been determined to belong to Caylee, if all they'd had was samples of Casey's hair = mytochondrial (sp?) DNA.
and
was the hair found in the trunk not id'd as conclusive that it belonged to Caylee?
at the time of testing ...
we now know for certain.
The inconclusive nature of that testing, at that time, is what Baez was going to jump all over in a defense he was preparing at that point?

just thinkin' out loud.

VII, the testing showed it could be one of 3...Cindy, Casey or Caylee....since both Cindy and Casey are walking around alive, that means it was Caylee's.

[VII]

Then that other 22yr old in the news should not be taken to task for claiming another Nanny abduction. Heck there wasn't even a baby.

I guess she didn't do anything wrong either, she was irrational with her response to cover lying to her boyfriend about their pretend son. No biggie.

NOT!

It is a biggie and it is illegal.


Dragging in another ridiculous case that has NO bearing on THIS case, whatsoever, is akin to a cat in a litter box.
again,
it keeps the focus AWAY from where it deserves to be.
Casey killed her daughter.
period.

[Carol25]

Actually, if the parents have always covered for her before, Casey's arrogance and lying probably finally did her in.

If she had told her parents what she had done, they probably would have covered for her, gave her money, told her to get out of town for a while until "an accident" could occur or "something" would befall Caylee.
But her lying and thieving finally got to Cindy and she made that infamous call that started the ball rolling....

Talk about KARMA!

[funkyflower]

Yes, bless there hearts they have done everything in their power to help find their misplaced grandaughter. They have begged and pleaded with kidnappers to return her, they have praised and thanked searchers for all their efforts, they have offered their DNA and fingerprints immediately to help. They are the poster models for grandparents with missing grandchildren. They will go down in history as the grandparents to immulate.

Sick huh? Its denial and dysfunction, not actually a crime, but in this case, may end up being so.
Today, I was driving through a parking lot leaving a store and saw a mother and her little girl, in pigtails and almost exactly about Caylee's age, and apparently it was a game of "gimme sugars" before putting her in her carseat. It was so sweet and fun. I immediately thought of lil Caylee when I saw the laughter and kisses.
Maybe the memories of that will return and the spirit of that little soul will keep these Grandparents from continuing the sickness.
Hope and pray.

[Oregongal]

I'm hoping Mr. Kronk took pictures. It would be so great if he had documented proof of the bag from the three days in Aug.

Well, his attorney did say there was more...would come out after the first of the year...could be he did take pics with his cell phone.
Not that it matters to me, this man is a hero. But, whatever else may come would certainly help the pros. It could be that LE is examining the 'more' before it becomes public.

[Neffy]

No throwing anything (I am a bad pitcher and would probably hit something else anyway) but, then why did Cindy not beg the kidnappers to please return Caylee?

That always bother me (even though I knew there were none). Along with the fact that the flyers they had made and handed out didn't give a description of the kidnappers who Caylee was last seen with or the car to look out for.

Cindy villified LE for finally releasing that information that Casey gave them but Cindy had it to. Why didn't she do anything with it?

IIR correctly that last Larry King they did she'd mentioned it on there also how LE finally released it a few weeks prior.

[5boxersmom]

Actually, if the parents have always covered for her before, Casey's arrogance and lying probably finally did her in.

If she had told her parents what she had done, they probably would have covered for her, gave her money, told her to get out of town for a while until an accident could occur or something.

But her lying and thieving finally got to Cindy and she made that infamous call that started the ball rolling....

Talk about KARMA!

Wonder what would have happen if they had pressed charges against her for stealing from them or if Lee and his roommate had. Or the Grandparents.

Instead of letting it go on and on and on.

[funkyflower]

yeah, I haven't waded through all of that yet either...
Guess I need to get started on it if I'm going to get caught UP before the trial starts.
In what I have seen/heard on the tapes, there are times she IS quite annoying but then there are times she seems quite desparate = clearly avoiding acceptance that her "Shunshine" had been taken away.
sigh. ITA
:crying::crying:

[VII]

No throwing anything (I am a bad pitcher and would probably hit something else anyway) but, then why did Cindy not beg the kidnappers to please return Caylee?


Because she was too busy yelling at LE and volunteers to get off their azz and DO something?
I dunno....
good point.
MY thoughts are that if Casey were my daughter she wouldn't have been sitting on HER happy in MY house when bail was posted.
AND
I'd have NEVerrrr made ANY statement to the media.
If it took leaving the house and staying at an undisclosed location, that is what I would have done.
I'm just reluctant to judge Cindy's actions based on the circumstance she found herself in.

[MalloryCat]

Actually, if the parents have always covered for her before, Casey's arrogance and lying probably finally did her in.

If she had told her parents what she had done, they probably would have covered for her, gave her money, told her to get out of town for a while until an accident could occur or something.

But her lying and thieving finally got to Cindy and she made that infamous call that started the ball rolling....

Talk about KARMA!

Right, but her parents have called her out in the past, she said she was robbed working at some sporting goods store and George went down there and found out she didn't even work there, and she was never robbed.

And there was no way they were going to accept Caseys Zanny stories about Caylee and thats where she was for long, the day Cindy found out, the next day Casey was in custody, I dont care how bad Cindy has acted, at least she knew to call LE and Casey will pay. Good enough for me.

jmo

[Mamie]

Of course I have over and over again.



It is so very simple...........The MR was trying to tell the impatient , non interested disptacher the exact area and how to find it , yes he even says ,there is no other cross roads its right off hopespring then suburban , if going toward school its on the right if coming from school on the left , he explains there is a fence on right if coming from school and its on the left going that direction ..he gives great detail over and over again.............the TIME he was taking a PEE was on DEC -11-2008 ..........this is mostly for barbara in Fl ...I'll tell you WHY , when the news report came out that a bag had been found it was DEC 11th and the news report said he was relieving himself ...no one knew of his august calls THEN ....what backs this up IS , his august calls 2 of them specifically tells dispatcher WE killed a 4 ft eastern back diamond rattler and I ain;t going in there... so he had never went in at that point , since the BAG had the indention in the ground and as Tim said had never moved , and since he saw it from the road so it had to be close to see from the road , then someone failed miserably at their job , its so very simple ...has no one put any thought to this ...irks me that people ASK ME if I heard or read the Meter Readers calls ! The question is have any of you and have you thought it out at all ...obviously NOT.

You're right about the disinterested dispatcher. Trying to say the exact route and you know the dispatcher has a terrific map----I don't know what they call them or if they use the same as here on the west coast but they're called Thomas Guides that LE use here and they are wonderful. They show everything. JMO

[Neffy]

Dragging in another ridiculous case that has NO bearing on THIS case, whatsoever, is akin to a cat in a litter box.
again,
it keeps the focus AWAY from where it deserves to be.
Casey killed her daughter.
period.


I'm making an analogy not dragging the case in as you didn't GET what was being said so I thought a comparison might help. What this 22yr old did was the same as Cindy and George. She did even less and will be prosecuted is my point.

Although you think the Anthony's take away from the case to. Whatever.


This is one 1st degree crime surrounded by persons committing other crimes. I say take them all down and prosecute them all to the fullest extent of the law.

If you want to ONLY talk about Casey's roll that's fine. But there are other crimes involved here.

I didn't drag in a cat (along with there litter box) you did. Good Grief

[5boxersmom]

Right, but her parents have called her out in the past, she said she was robbed working at some sporting goods store and George went down there and found out she didn't even work there, and she was never robbed.

And there was no way they were going to accept Caseys Zanny stories about Caylee and thats where she was for long, the day Cindy found out, the next day Casey was in custody, I dont care how bad Cindy has acted, at least she knew to call LE and Casey will pay. Good enough for me.

jmo

Oh I must have missed that. What did they say or do to her?

[hamebone]

Wonder what would have happen if they had pressed charges against her for stealing from them or if Lee and his roommate had. Or the Grandparents.

Instead of letting it go on and on and on.


ITA, I also wonder the " what ifs" They should of stopped that girl along time ago. Just maybe it would of save Caylee's life.

[Carol25]

Wonder what would have happen if they had pressed charges against her for stealing from them or if Lee and his roommate had. Or the Grandparents.

Instead of letting it go on and on and on.
The Grandparents thing is important I think. I believe that Cindy had threatened taking Caylee away before, but it was idle threats just as before. But it made Casey think. And she was planning, thus the searches on the computer.

But when Cindy found out about the stealing from Grandma, she exploded! "Steal from me you little B@#$%, but I be D&*@# if you wil steal from my mother!" Cindy was so mad, she even probably tried to strangle her until George stepped in.

That night, Casey, furious, chloroformed Caylee With tape over her mouth and took her out to the car......