Caylee Anthony - Dec 27/08 - Part 2

[Adalena935]

Over 1,000 posts in today's thread #1 so I thought I'd start a new thread. Any news today on this case?

[happygert]

Over 1,000 posts in today's thread #1 so I thought I'd start a new thread. Any news today on this case?

Thanks Adalena.

[shelbar53]

{posted this at end of other board so im reposting here}

There is person in florida is putting up and maintaing a memorial for caylee at the site where she was found. she has included a po box if someone wants to send a poem or trinket for her to place at the memorial

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/caylee-anthony-info-caylee-mourners-nationwide-need-healing-time/

Caylee Anthony Info-Caylee Mourners Nationwide Need Healing Time and it is never more evident than in Orlando, Florida, where caring people are able to reach out and drop off a toy, card, letter and even a large pink cross…

People in the Orlando are are still coming to the site where little Caylee Anthony’s remains were found and driving by the Grandparents home, wondering what is going on inside and perhaps wondering even more…if that is where little Caylee actually
Today our local news reported that Cindy said that she was going to this memorial site of Caylee’s and was going to remove the teddy bears and toys and donate them (AGAIN) to charity. The homeless shelter that received all the stuff from the first memorial said they already had too much and they didn’t need more.

I don’t know why this family insist on destroying every memorial site we make for Caylee, but I will continue to make more and more sites until they leave it alone.

[sunstar]

I'm here! :) Geraldo might have something on his show tonight at 10pm ET.

[suzanne]

Thankyou for putting up a new thread.Ok,I see where the pool is now.Thankyou for putting the picture up.

[neid_77]

{posted this at end of other board so im reposting here}

There is person in florida is putting up and maintaing a memorial for caylee at the site where she was found. she has included a po box if someone wants to send a poem or trinket for her to place at the memorial

http://babyboomeradvisorclub.com/caylee-anthony-info-caylee-mourners-nationwide-need-healing-time/

Caylee Anthony Info-Caylee Mourners Nationwide Need Healing Time and it is never more evident than in Orlando, Florida, where caring people are able to reach out and drop off a toy, card, letter and even a large pink cross…

People in the Orlando are are still coming to the site where little Caylee Anthony’s remains were found and driving by the Grandparents home, wondering what is going on inside and perhaps wondering even more…if that is where little Caylee actually
Today our local news reported that Cindy said that she was going to this memorial site of Caylee’s and was going to remove the teddy bears and toys and donate them (AGAIN) to charity. The homeless shelter that received all the stuff from the first memorial said they already had too much and they didn’t need more.

I don’t know why this family insist on destroying every memorial site we make for Caylee, but I will continue to make more and more sites until they leave it alone.

what lee did was bad enough! thank goodness the girl is going to keep good care of the sight! GODBLESS her for that just might send something myself!

[Adalena935]

I'm here! :) Geraldo might have something on his show tonight at 10pm ET.

Thanks, I never can remember what time he's on.

[eastside joe]

Over 1,000 posts in today's thread #1 so I thought I'd start a new thread. Any news today on this case?

None that I have heard.

I just wait with bated breath to find out what is happening with Lee.

Why would LE find the need to possibly charge Lee as opposed to Cindy?

If potential charges are pending, IYO what do they relate to?
1) Laptop computer?
2) Receipts?
3) Lying under oath?
3) Fingerprints on garbage bags/and or duct tape?

What other theories exist?

[happygert]

I also saw a picture stefaroo posted on the exact location of where body was found .It was so close to the road its amazing that 3 calls back to back to LE and no one looked in the bag ? Not even the man who made those 3 calls , does not add up at all. A BAG that close to the A's home ,3 calls back to back from a meter reader , police going out twice, supposedly cadaver dogs searched the area , and no one knows whats in that bag till 4 months later when the same guy kicks the bag and a skull rolls out ?

If you look at picture of A's backyard the fence is right there . there is a path from there to where Caylee was found.

[Adalena935]

The other thread had lots of posters discussing the cadaver dogs , hits misses ect. What about the cadaver dogs that searched the suburban drive area where the body was actually found .Now seems to me they would readily hit on a body ,rather then an area where a body may have been previously.

Tim Miller said he called off the search for fear evidence would be ruined. He got there after the storm. Not sure of the date but saw him on tv. I think dogs can find the smell where the molecules hang in the air.

On the other thread someone said the decomp smell wouldn't penetrate plastic (such as the playhouse), so I looked it up.

http://www.4givens.net/restoration/smoke_odor/odor_control.html

Any odor caused by the decomposition process of animal material expels an oily protein into the air. These oils are invisible to the eye, and will attach themselves to any surface as the smoke odors mentioned above. They will seep through cracks in a building, and the larger the animal the stronger the odor, and the more extensive the contamination.

I know Tennessee Body Farm found decomp odor molecules in the air in the car trunk plus large amounts of chloroform molecules in the air in the trunk.

I remember news alerting people not to re-use plastic bottles because microbes get into the plastic and can eventually make people sick.

[neid_77]

I also saw a picture stefaroo posted on the exact location of where body was found .It was so close to the road its amazing that 3 calls back to back to LE and no one looked in the bag ? Not even the man who made those 3 calls , does not add up at all. A BAG that close to the A's home ,3 calls back to back from a meter reader , police going out twice, supposedly cadaver dogs searched the area , and no one knows whats in that bag till 4 months later when the same guy kicks the bag and a skull rolls out ?

if i remember right the bag he saw was gray...the bag they found in the woods was black...it had been there long enough that animals and perhaps the water scattered her little bones everywhere:crying: it is just to bad even that gale lady came close but no one wanted to go back in the woods...one guy got as far as the snake and that was it

[Adalena935]

None that I have heard.

I just wait with bated breath to find out what is happening with Lee.

Why would LE find the need to possibly charge Lee as opposed to Cindy?

If potential charges are pending, IYO what do they relate to?
1) Laptop computer?
2) Receipts?
3) Lying under oath?
3) Fingerprints on garbage bags/and or duct tape?

What other theories exist?

O boy, ya got me. I have no notion. It surprised me when Lee sided with the family and closed ranks protecting Casey. Surprised me more that his lawyer would make the announcement to news about his possible charges of obstruction. The computer belonged to George. The laptop anyway.

I too wonder what's up with that.

[need2no]

I'm here! :) Geraldo might have something on his show tonight at 10pm ET.


Possible I suppose...but from his website:


This weekend, Geraldo delves deep into the heart of a crisis that has gripped America's disabled for years

'The Waiting List: America's Healthcare Crisis' is an extension of a story he broke nearly 37 years ago. Geraldo will bring to light once again the imminent need for action in one of the most important issues our nation faces
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

[happygert]

Tim Miller said he called off the search for fear evidence would be ruined. He got there after the storm. Not sure of the date but saw him on tv. I think dogs can find the smell where the molecules hang in the air.

On the other thread someone said the decomp smell wouldn't penetrate plastic (such as the playhouse), so I looked it up.

http://www.4givens.net/restoration/smoke_odor/odor_control.html

Any odor caused by the decomposition process of animal material expels an oily protein into the air. These oils are invisible to the eye, and will attach themselves to any surface as the smoke odors mentioned above. They will seep through cracks in a building, and the larger the animal the stronger the odor, and the more extensive the contamination.

I know Tennessee Body Farm found decomp odor molecules in the air in the car trunk plus large amounts of chloroform molecules in the air in the trunk.

I remember news alerting people not to re-use plastic bottles because microbes get into the plastic and can eventually make people sick.

What happened to that plastic container that was in Casey's trunk?
Remember George saying they all had one in there cars? Wonder if that was ever tested?

Does anyone know what they took out of A's home with last two search warrants? I want to see that inventory list......

[eastside joe]

O boy, ya got me. I have no notion. It surprised me when Lee sided with the family and closed ranks protecting Casey. Surprised me more that his lawyer would make the announcement to news about his possible charges of obstruction. The computer belonged to George. The laptop anyway.

I too wonder what's up with that.

IIRC the laptop belonged to Cindy.

[sunstar]

None that I have heard.

I just wait with bated breath to find out what is happening with Lee.

Why would LE find the need to possibly charge Lee as opposed to Cindy?

If potential charges are pending, IYO what do they relate to?
1) Laptop computer?
2) Receipts?
3) Lying under oath?
3) Fingerprints on garbage bags/and or duct tape?

What other theories exist?

I have no idea, except the last one (fingerprints on the bags or duct tape) I think would've led LE to his house with a search warrant. MOO

[Barbara fl.]

If you look at picture of A's backyard the fence is right there . there is a path from there to where Caylee was found.


The only problem with that is that she would have had to go past 30 houses to drop the body where it was found.....I think she drove to the spot, she knew it well because she used to play there in her earlier years...

[shelbar53]

None that I have heard.

I just wait with bated breath to find out what is happening with Lee.

Why would LE find the need to possibly charge Lee as opposed to Cindy?

If potential charges are pending, IYO what do they relate to?
1) Laptop computer?
2) Receipts?
3) Lying under oath?
3) Fingerprints on garbage bags/and or duct tape?

What other theories exist?


For some reason, I dont think Lee is involved with the desposal of the body. Cindy held back receipts, cindy lied under oath at the bond hearing, so then why Lee and not the both of them?. That leaves the computer...but if he did delete stuff on the computer that was probably before he knew it was a murder, maybe he was trying to delete all the "BAD" pics of casey. So I wonder what he did that would cause possible arrest. Im sure there are tons of stuff we dont know about. Just cant think of what it could be.

[happygert]

The only problem with that is that she would have had to go past 30 houses to drop the body where it was found.....I think she drove to the spot, she knew it well because she used to play there in her earlier years...

Your probably right. But if fence is there around all houses no one would see her driving back there.

[MalloryCat]

If you look at picture of A's backyard the fence is right there . there is a path from there to where Caylee was found.

LOL, no there is not!

[neid_77]

The meter reader on his recorded calls 2 times says white bag , not great not black ,but white ?

also ice didnt they say on the report it was just trash i remember reading that when they released the calls plus the police reports about what they found..you are right it was white

[shelbar53]

If Lee might be charged with obstruction, then finderprints on the bag would be aiding and abetting or whatever that legal term is, not obstruction.

[Barbara fl.]

The meter reader on his recorded calls 2 times says white bag , not great not black ,but white ?



I believe the gray bag from the road would have been easily taken for white or a light color bag....the sun and the moist on it also would have made it appear to be very light in color.....

I wouldn't put too much on that....if he had said it was a black bag and it turned out to be light gray, then I would be concerned....

The fact remains that the body was found by the same man who reported it 4 months earlier, which to me indicates that the body had been there for the entire duration from the time that Casey dropped it off....

[sunstar]

Possible I suppose...but from his website:


This weekend, Geraldo delves deep into the heart of a crisis that has gripped America's disabled for years

'The Waiting List: America's Healthcare Crisis' is an extension of a story he broke nearly 37 years ago. Geraldo will bring to light once again the imminent need for action in one of the most important issues our nation faces
http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

Oh, thanks ~ I hadn't even looked over there today. It's probably something he recorded so he could be off this weekend. :)

[happygert]

If there is a path there it would go right through the swamp....

It would go right up there . They showed the path once on tv

[Adalena935]

What happened to that plastic container that was in Casey's trunk?
Remember George saying they all had one in there cars? Wonder if that was ever tested?

Does anyone know what they took out of A's home with last two search warrants? I want to see that inventory list......

I don't think the evidence from the home (last two warrants) has been made public yet.

The only thing I recall George talking about from the trunk was gas cans he said Casey stole from the shed. That was the Greta interview several weeks ago.

He had made an urgent call to police and filed a report about the breakin to the shed prior to that. Later, he told Greta that Casey often did that and was given to run out of gas. I didn't believe him.

[sunstar]

If Lee might be charged with obstruction, then finderprints on the bag would be aiding and abetting or whatever that legal term is, not obstruction.

Aiding and abetting after the fact was mentioned today on Fox News, but I still think if it was something that serious (fingerprints on the bag) that LE would've picked him up already. MOO

[Narcissist71]

Tim Miller said he called off the search for fear evidence would be ruined. He got there after the storm. Not sure of the date but saw him on tv. I think dogs can find the smell where the molecules hang in the air.

On the other thread someone said the decomp smell wouldn't penetrate plastic (such as the playhouse), so I looked it up.

http://www.4givens.net/restoration/smoke_odor/odor_control.html

Any odor caused by the decomposition process of animal material expels an oily protein into the air. These oils are invisible to the eye, and will attach themselves to any surface as the smoke odors mentioned above. They will seep through cracks in a building, and the larger the animal the stronger the odor, and the more extensive the contamination.

I know Tennessee Body Farm found decomp odor molecules in the air in the car trunk plus large amounts of chloroform molecules in the air in the trunk.

I remember news alerting people not to re-use plastic bottles because microbes get into the plastic and can eventually make people sick.

No the earlier searches by the police with Cadaver Dogs....before the Hurricane ever hit.

Not the searches by Tim Miller.

[Lavenia]

What happened to that plastic container that was in Casey's trunk?
Remember George saying they all had one in there cars? Wonder if that was ever tested?

Does anyone know what they took out of A's home with last two search warrants? I want to see that inventory list......

Described by Geo. A as a blue bin. I remember because I thought they might find her remains in it. Never heard another word about it.

[happygert]

I don't think the evidence from the home (last two warrants) has been made public yet.

The only thing I recall George talking about from the trunk was gas cans he said Casey stole from the shed. That was the Greta interview several weeks ago.

He had made an urgent call to police and filed a report about the breakin to the shed prior to that. Later, he told Greta that Casey often did that and was given to run out of gas. I didn't believe him.

Me either,,

[Barbara fl.]

Your probably right. But if fence is there around all houses no one would see her driving back there.


No there's no path to drive...I thought you meant that she carried it thru the back across the houses....

the houses are situated on lots and side by side...there would be no way to drive back there.....someone could walk but it wouldn't be likely without being seen by your neighbors or by there's dogs.....

[Adalena935]

I believe the gray bag from the road would have been easily taken for white or a light color bag....the sun and the moist on it also would have made it appear to be very light in color.....

I wouldn't put too much on that....if he had said it was a black bag and it turned out to be light gray, then I would be concerned....

The fact remains that the body was found by the same man who reported it 4 months earlier, which to me indicates that the body had been there for the entire duration from the time that Casey dropped it off....

My thoughts too on the bag-color discrepancy. You've done a good job of describing what likely happened.

[happygert]

No there's no path to drive...I thought you meant that she carried it thru the back across the houses....

the houses are situated on lots and side by side...there would be no way to drive back there.....someone could walk but it wouldn't be likely without being seen by your neighbors or by there's dogs.....

Ok........

[sunstar]

I see that totally opposite then you . A grey bag could more easily be confused with black ,then a white bag being black .I also need to stress thay Caylee was found basically right off the side of the road , please look at the picture if you need to see the distance , anyone could have walked up to that bag without getting into the deepness of the woods , it is astounding .

I wonder if the bag could've moved closer to the road with the flooding in the area? Or was she really that lazy and it's been in the exact same place all this time? :scared: I really can see it being too heavy for her to carry very far. MOO

[eastside joe]

If Lee might be charged with obstruction, then finderprints on the bag would be aiding and abetting or whatever that legal term is, not obstruction.

Legal Definition - Aiding and abetting generally means to somehow assist in the commission of a crime, or to be an accomplice. It involves a plan to commit a crime or to commit acts, the probable consequences of which are criminal.

An accomplice may assist or encourage the main offender with the same intent to have the crime committed, but does not necessarily have to be present when the crime is actually committed.

[shelbar53]

Aiding and abetting after the fact was mentioned today on Fox News, but I still think if it was something that serious (fingerprints on the bag) that LE would've picked him up already. MOO

Oh I agree, I was responding to the other poster and I dont think he had anything to do with the disposal of the body. If he did, then there are 2 stupid people out there.

[Adalena935]

I think if his prints were found on the bag he would have been arrested for accessory to murder.

I agree with you. This says possible obstruction or aiding and abetting.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

[neid_77]

www.scaredmonkeys.com has something about what lee's attorney said..i didnt' realize his attorney said this....

[happygert]

Barbara if you look at the one picture there is 2 places in that picture where there is indentations... It was posted on other thread..One indentation is at top right hand corner.

[Neffy]

I wonder if the bag could've moved closer to the road with the flooding in the area? Or was she really that lazy and it's been in the exact same place all this time? :scared:

I don't know the condition of that bag but I tell you I have a huge racoon that lives in my neighbors back yard tree. This things the size if a medium dog (it's huge) and he's dumped my garbage cans and dragged the bags to his "tree". Just throwing a possibility out there.

[shelbar53]

Does anyone think Casey will try to make a plea deal and NOT go to trial? If so, does the prosecution have to accept?

I think Casey would not want all her dirty secrets to come out at trial.

If a plea deal is made, will the public be aware of what was said?

[MalloryCat]

If Lee might be charged with obstruction, then finderprints on the bag would be aiding and abetting or whatever that legal term is, not obstruction.

No, because if they were found it could be argued he used the one prior and thats how his prints were on it, but Lee didn't help Casey, why must we try to make excuses for Casey, is everyone trying to emulate George and Cindy, because thats what a majority think they do towards her, and a few of you are doing the same thing. Why?

[Narcissist71]

White and black are total opposites . If I saw a faded black bag I might confuse it with grey ,there is no way to confuse a white garbage bag ,with grey or black .

I think it's possible to confuse white with grey (Are you Canadian or do you spell it both gray and grey ;)) Anyway, I think over time and with dirt and debris in a wet area gathering on the bag, plus after time most plastic become discolored from exposure to sun...

I'm not saying you are wrong or right....just throwing that out there.

[Neffy]

Does anyone think Casey will try to make a plea deal and NOT go to trial? If so, does the prosecution have to accept?

I think Casey would not want all her dirty secrets to come out at trial.

If a plea deal is made, will the public be aware of what was said?

IMO NO. She has the backing and blessing of her family and attorney on this farce of a story and she's sticking to it.

[eastside joe]

Thomas Luka, the attorney for Lee Anthony told MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting

[shelbar53]

I agree with you. This says possible obstruction or aiding and abetting.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.1.1

aiding and abetting :ohmy:. Oh my...i didnt read that until now, hmmmm now im rethinking everything.

[Barbara fl.]

I see that totally opposite then you . A grey bag could more easily be confused with black ,then a white bag being black .I also need to stress thay Caylee was found basically right off the side of the road , please look at the picture if you need to see the distance , anyone could have walked up to that bag without getting into the deepness of the woods , it is astounding .


The body was found 20 feet in and behind brush....no one would have seen it from the road.....

Now,,,,I believe that the meter reader saw it the first time while he was releaving himself and on Dec 11th as stated by the media....

I believe he saw it on Aug 11th, was probably affraid to go near it and called the police...after not getting any results by the 13th he called and waited for the deputy to show...the meter reader wanted to show the deputy where the bag was but I believe the deputy told him to stay back....the deputy encountered a snake and decided not to look any further that it was probably just garbage (for which I'm sure he is sorry for now) so it went unnoticed until the meter reader returned on Dec 11th and decided to check it out for himself....

It has already been established that the bag had been there for months.....now unless we are disputing a few days then I feel comfortable to think that the body has been out there all this time and just went unnoticed......JMO

[Adalena935]

Legal Definition - Aiding and abetting generally means to somehow assist in the commission of a crime, or to be an accomplice. It involves a plan to commit a crime or to commit acts, the probable consequences of which are criminal.

An accomplice may assist or encourage the main offender with the same intent to have the crime committed, but does not necessarily have to be present when the crime is actually committed.

Thank you joe. Here's a link to another legal definition. Sounds like it could include many possible scenario's.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

[shelbar53]

No, because if they were found it could be argued he used the one prior and thats how his prints were on it, but Lee didn't help Casey, why must we try to make excuses for Casey, is everyone trying to emulate George and Cindy, because thats what a majority think they do towards her, and a few of you are doing the same thing. Why?

OK, I missed what excuses posters were making for casey. what post and I will go back and read.

[suzanne]

What happened to that plastic container that was in Casey's trunk?
Remember George saying they all had one in there cars? Wonder if that was ever tested?

Does anyone know what they took out of A's home with last two search warrants? I want to see that inventory list......

Yes,I would like to see this too.

[happygert]

Does anyone think Casey will try to make a plea deal and NOT go to trial? If so, does the prosecution have to accept?

I think Casey would not want all her dirty secrets to come out at trial.

If a plea deal is made, will the public be aware of what was said?

She was offered a plea deal before she didnt take it.. IMO now that Caylee has been found I dont think she'll be offered another one.

[MalloryCat]

OK, I missed what excuses posters were making for casey. what post and I will go back and read.

How about everyone that blames Caseys crimes due to bad parenting? Or how about Lee had to have helped her dispose of the body posts? But I am done arguing, its so catty and lame I refuse to participate any further with you on this tit for tat stuff.

[sunstar]

Oh I agree, I was responding to the other poster and I dont think he had anything to do with the disposal of the body. If he did, then there are 2 stupid people out there.

Just to add, in my opinion, if he had anything to do with the disposal the bag would've been carried further into the woods and buried. MOO

[shelbar53]

Didnt high profile attorney baez talk her out of that? Wow big mistake on his part if he did. I still love the irony of dec 11 at 9am he asked for a delay in the trial which was granted, then 1/2 hour later the body was found. Hurray....lots of time now for toxology reports to come back etc. Ok I have no further questions.

[Narcissist71]

Well the point is though the meter reader says WHITE .Now if he had said GREY one might think he could have seen a dirty white bag and thought it was grey .....bit HE SAID WHITE , he did not say grey ,so he was not confused at all ,sp see there is no sense to make of it.

Well....I can see your point there.....

some of the things that have occurred are weird.

[eastside joe]

No, because if they were found it could be argued he used the one prior and thats how his prints were on it, but Lee didn't help Casey, why must we try to make excuses for Casey, is everyone trying to emulate George and Cindy, because thats what a majority think they do towards her, and a few of you are doing the same thing. Why?

Who is making excuses for Casey? This discussion started regarding what the reasons would be for LE potentially charging Lee. We know these charges are a possiblity due to the comments of his lawyer Thomas Luka.

[Barbara fl.]

She was offered a plea deal before she didnt take it.. IMO now that Caylee has been found I dont think she'll be offered another one.


No, there will be no more plea deals....Casey is now stuck with the first degree murder charge......the one that she can live with unless the DA decides to go for the DP....but I doubt that will happen seeing as they don't have a cause of death....JMO

[Narcissist71]

But I would like to hear the answer why the Cadaver Dogs the police used before any flooding occurred that searched in the area didn't hit on anything? Nobody seemed to reply before when I kind of asked this question.

Again not Tim Miller.

[sunstar]

The dense greenery in that area tells me NO ,that the bag did not float clser to the road and also how would the meter reader have seen it back in august if it were anywhere further back , its like a rain forest ,have you see the pictures ? No way the bag moved closer to the road especially it would have to have traveled UP ,if anything the bag would have went further into the woods as the plain dips down and gravity would move the bag out further ,not up to the side of road.

Yes I've seen the photos and I didn't think it would've washed up to where it was found, but just wanted to make sure. Since I don't live in the area I'm not all that familiar with the vegetation. :) MOO

[shelbar53]

How about everyone that blames Caseys crimes due to bad parenting? Or how about Lee had to have helped her dispose of the body posts? But I am done arguing, its so catty and lame I refuse to participate any further with you on this tit for tat stuff.

well first, I dont think Lee helped her dispose of the body, and second if he did...thats not an example of taking blame away from casey, just an example of someone involved with a cover up. but your point about the bad parenting is an example of taking away blame.

I think the parents were enablers of bad behavior but ultimelty...casey is the ONLY one responsible for her actions.

[ConchGirl]

Here is the picture that was posted earlier for those who did not see it.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/yard.jpg

[happygert]

I think the prosecution would have to offer her a plea deal, and both sides would have to be in agreement.

I'm not sure what more would need to be said other than an offer and acceptance.

She was offered one and turned it down.. I really don't see them offering casey another one . Not now. Especially since Caylee's body has been found so close to her home.. Where Casey used to party and bury her dead animals.

[Barbara fl.]

Right ,so the meter reader had xray vision and saw this bag in that rain forest from side of road ? How did he see a bag under pammetto bush and rain forest from side of road ? 2ndly he never went to inspect ,nor did LE .............yet he called 3 times , who would call 3 times back to back when you had already reported the bag and unless you knew whjat was in bag and that it would be headline news for any bones to be found , what made him keep calling unless he knew the contents of the bag ? I will try to bring picture over here and see where the body was to show how close it realy was to roadside , its astonishing .


He saw it when he went in the wooded area to urinate...he couldn't very well do it on the side of the road across from a school....he would have been arrested...


The fact remains that the body was found and he found it and it had been there for months....so how would you explain it?

[ConchGirl]

How about everyone that blames Caseys crimes due to bad parenting? Or how about Lee had to have helped her dispose of the body posts? But I am done arguing, its so catty and lame I refuse to participate any further with you on this tit for tat stuff.

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[happygert]

Here is the picture that was posted earlier for those who did not see it.

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/yard.jpg

In this picture look at top right hand corner see the indentation then look below it theres another one.

[steffaroob4]

If there is a path there it would go right through the swamp....

Do you think the bag could have been a little deeper in the brush, then move during Faye???

[Narcissist71]

Yes I've seen the photos and I didn't think it would've washed up to where it was found, but just wanted to make sure. Since I don't live in the area I'm not all that familiar with the vegetation. :) MOO

I haven't been to that particular area, but I have visited my aunt and uncle who live in Winter Park.....I'd have to look to see how close they are to that particular area....if it's like some of the "wooded" area on the golf courses I've played down there......heck no.....I just call it a lost ball.

[Barbara fl.]

promises promises
http://bestsmileys.com/notlistening/2.gif



I love it....you made my day....:lol:

[happygert]

No, there will be no more plea deals....Casey is now stuck with the first degree murder charge......the one that she can live with unless the DA decides to go for the DP....but I doubt that will happen seeing as they don't have a cause of death....JMO

I agree with you. NO more deals.......I dont see them putting the dp back on table either isn't an automatic appeal if she's given DP if found guilty? I know it is here where I live.

[eastside joe]

Thank you joe. Here's a link to another legal definition. Sounds like it could include many possible scenario's.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

Thanks for the link. So I believe it is reasonable to assume the possible obstruction of justice charge could be related to the laptop.

The possible aiding and abetting charge is what I find intriguing.

Remember, the possible charges of obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting were reported by Lee's attorney. They have surfaced following the discovery of Caylee, not prior to. I am curious as to the timing of this. Why now?

[shelbar53]

promises promises
http://bestsmileys.com/notlistening/2.gif

thats the first time I saw that smiley...its so true for alot of things about this case.

[dixie77]

If Lee might be charged with obstruction, then finderprints on the bag would be aiding and abetting or whatever that legal term is, not obstruction.

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Lee's fingerprints on a bag with a body inside would mean more than obstructon to me. jmo

[Barbara fl.]

My 11 year old granddaughter is kicking me out of her room by reminding me of the time....It's her computer I use, so I guess I'll say goodnight all..........

[need2no]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg

[shelbar53]

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Lee's fingerprints on a bag with a body inside would mean more than obstructon to me. jmo

thats what i just said in my post, that would not be obstruction

[sunstar]

I haven't been to that particular area, but I have visited my aunt and uncle who live in Winter Park.....I'd have to look to see how close they are to that particular area....if it's like some of the "wooded" area on the golf courses I've played down there......heck no.....I just call it a lost ball.

I see your point!! I wouldn't go very far in there either. :biggrin:

[Adalena935]

Well the point is though the meter reader says WHITE .Now if he had said GREY one might think he could have seen a dirty white bag and thought it was grey .....bit HE SAID WHITE , he did not say grey ,so he was not confused at all ,sp see there is no sense to make of it.

News has reported those are NOT complete tapes for one thing. For the preservation of the integrity of the pending murder trial sheriff's office said. Capt. Angelo Neives did the press conference regarding this issue and HE SAID grey bag was reported by the meter reader.

Call #1 (ACTUAL partial tapes released by sheriff's office) the meter reder says he sees something white. Call #2 (ACTUAL partial tapes released by sheriff's office) the meter reader says he sees a white board hanging across a tree.

Nowhere, so far does the meter reader say white bag. Nowhere so far does the sheriff's dept say white bag.

The meter reader said the word WHITE, but not in reference to a bag.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

"If you're heading back out towards the main road on the left hand side in an area I noticed something that looked white. I don't know what it is and I'm not telling you it's, you know, Caylee or anything of that nature," Kronk said

"There's a fallen tree where it looks like somebody tried to cut on it at one point, but there was a white board hanging across the tree and there was something round and white underneath of it. And, um, I don't know what it is. It just didn't look like something that should be there," Kronk said.


http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/

In one of those phone calls, the meter reader reported seeing a gray bag on the side of the road, Nieves said.

[shelbar53]

My 11 year old granddaughter is kicking me out of her room by reminding me of the time....It's her computer I use, so I guess I'll say goodnight all..........

goodnight, see you tomorrow

[happygert]

My 11 year old granddaughter is kicking me out of her room by reminding me of the time....It's her computer I use, so I guess I'll say goodnight all..........

night see ya later.....

[steffaroob4]

Well the point is though the meter reader says WHITE .Now if he had said GREY one might think he could have seen a dirty white bag and thought it was grey .....bit HE SAID WHITE , he did not say grey ,so he was not confused at all ,sp see there is no sense to make of it.

No, he said gray bag, it is on the actual written report. Those tapes are edited in several places. I believe large gray bag was edited out, some media outlets have also edited out the some round and white object under the tree with the white board part.

[ConchGirl]

Thanks for the link. So I believe it is reasonable to assume the possible obstruction of justice charge could be related to the laptop.

The possible aiding and abetting charge is what I find intriguing.

Remember, the possible charges obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting as reported by Lee's attorney, have surfaced since the body has been found. I am curious as to the timing of this. Why now?

It is clear to me from the jailhouse videos George, Cindy & Lee were pumping Casey for information. That was in July. She got out of jail twice and they had their one on one discussions. Not sticking up for the Anthony's but if Casey did tell them where Caylee was they would have moved the body so she would never be found. So very sad. JMO

[shelbar53]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg

thats the one at cindys brothers wedding where she is 7 months pg

[joolz]

I think the prosecution would have to offer her a plea deal, and both sides would have to be in agreement.

I'm not sure what more would need to be said other than an offer and acceptance.

I believe Casey would have to allocute, but since that would be done in front of the judge, I don't know if her statement would be made public or not.

[Hey Paula]

Does anyone think Casey will try to make a plea deal and NOT go to trial? If so, does the prosecution have to accept?

I think Casey would not want all her dirty secrets to come out at trial.

If a plea deal is made, will the public be aware of what was said?

I think it depends upon the strength and quality of the evidence and its ability to positively link Caylee's demise to Casey. If that's the case, then the Defense should consider entering a guilty plea. However, due to the "dream team" assembled, they might decide to fight this case. The Prosecution doesn't have to accept the terms proposed by the Defense.

If Casey pleads guilty, she must confess to the crime itself. However, if an Alford plea is entered and accepted, then Casey doesn't have to confess to committing the crime; only that she believes the evidence presented by the Prosecution will likely convict her.

IMO

[need2no]

thats the one at cindys brothers wedding where she is 7 months pg


Yep, it sure is, and that is obviously a pregnant belly.

[happygert]

It was not a plea deal, it was immunity, 2 different things.

JMO

Casey wasn't offered immunity...She was offered a plea deal JB sat on it. Now if she was offered immunity she would have took that she would have walked out a free woman after to confessing to murder.

[shelbar53]

Do I remember correctly that Casey gave Lee all her passwords on day one of the 911 call, and he erased all her email and web things, and then attempted to reinstall windows?

I do believe she gave him her passwords that night when he went to tonys to get her stuff. I dont know what he did with the computer but he was gone for over 2 hours and he said 2 different things.
#1. the laptop was on with a blue screen
#2. he turned the laptop on and there was a blue screen

[happygert]

thats the one at cindys brothers wedding where she is 7 months pg

And Cindy A nurse couldn't tell her daughter was pregnant? Yes right I'll buy that lie.......

[steffaroob4]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg

That sure looks like she is pregnant to me, wow.

[neid_77]

thats the one at cindys brothers wedding where she is 7 months pg

no no she was just putting on a little weight:lol:

[ellegna]

Casey wasn't offered immunity...She was offered a plea deal JB sat on it. Now if she was offered immunity she would have took that she would have walked out a free woman after to confessing to murder.

Casey was offered immunity
http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[Narcissist71]

My 11 year old granddaughter is kicking me out of her room by reminding me of the time....It's her computer I use, so I guess I'll say goodnight all..........

Oh goodness I don't recommend children having computers in their room......

and most software isn't that reliable.....

Sorry, it's just a worry of mine.....I told my sister the same thing....so the kids' computer is in the playroom where anyone can view it by walking by the room.

[need2no]

Correct.

Monday, August 4, 2008 – updated: 11:53 am EDT August 5, 2008
ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's office sent an offer to Anthony's attorney Jose Baez, to discuss the possibility of limited immunity. If the defense were to agree, the deal would likely keep her words from being used against her, but would not protect her from any other information that investigators dug up and potentially could find in a criminal case. Casey hasn't said a word to investigators about little Caylee Anthony's disappearance in 21 days.

http://www.wftv.com/news/17090663/detail.html

[steffaroob4]

I believe it was "limited" immunity being offered.

Yes, if she lead them to the body, if it was an accident, LE would not use the fact that she lead to the body in the trial, IMO.

[eastside joe]

If your own lawyer is stating that you may be facing charges such as obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, then it is reasonable for one to assume there will be charges.

Quite different from Cindy and George's lawyer (Conway) who publically stated the Anthony's were not being investigated.

I believe if LE charges Lee with aiding and abetting it relates to evidence collected at Caylee's discovery site. IMO The timing of these potential charges is revealing. IMO

[MalloryCat]

I love it....you made my day....:lol:

Mine too, its so amazing when someone has to be childish because they cant stand the truth!

[ConchGirl]

no no she was just putting on a little weight:lol:

Come on, she would have to have sex to get preggers. :wink:

[steffaroob4]

__________________


The picture od exact location is on page 9 post 357 on part 1 thread today under holiday forums, unless steff can bring it over here ?

This one???

http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/BHVIDEO.jpg

[happygert]

no no she was just putting on a little weight:lol:

She'd have to have sex to be pregnant...Well cindy i dont think she's the Virgin Mary...So I'd say she's been having SEX!!!

[shelbar53]

Hey Shelbar, thanks for the reply in regard to the laptop.

I was sure I had read somewhere that 'someone' had tried to reinstall windows and had hit an error (bluescreen?) right at the beginning of the case when Cindy finally called 911.

For some reason I had a visual of Lee sitting in his car with her laptop trying to delete and reinstall.

Oh I think he did try to delete stuff but the LE computer forenics people were able to retrieve stuff he tried to delete, he should of just went for it all and smashed the hard drive then set it on fire, why do alittle, if your gonna get rid of evidence then do it right.

[Narcissist71]

Not only did the police say a snake scared them off ,but the meter reader also said that either he or a friend killed a rattle snake in that area and was afraid ,but yet he went back into that dense rain forest and took a pee? See the contradiction ?

yep I see the contradiction....if I saw a rattle snake in there....no way am I going there to take a pee......I'd sooner take a little time out of my route to find a store.....I'd imagine you could find one fairly close...it is Winter Park.....if not...and I'm on a road that is less traveled.....I'd just open the vehicle door and hide while relieving myself.

[sunstar]

Do I remember correctly that Casey gave Lee all her passwords on day one of the 911 call, and he erased all her email and web things, and then attempted to reinstall windows?

I do think if LE charges him with anything it'll be related to the computer. MOO

[Adalena935]

Not only did the police say a snake scared them off ,but the meter reader also said that either he or a friend killed a rattle snake in that area and was afraid ,but yet he went back into that dense rain forest and took a pee? See the contradiction ?

Yes news reported that's why he went into the woods the day he found the remains. But it's common for news to report contradictions in murder cases when the cases are in the process of unfolding.

[suzanne]

Did I hear this correctly.On Nancy Graces show they aired the meter readers August 911 call.He said he saw something I believe round and white?(assuming the skull?)in a tree?Didn't they take a whole tree for evidence at the crime scene?Can some one explain this a little better to me?

[Lavenia]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



<Snipped pic for space>

OMG that's some "female trouble"! :ohmy:

[MalloryCat]

OH MY GOD.....NOW WE HAVE PEOPLE COPYCATTING CASEY!!! <Thank God it didn't end as tragically as Caylee, but THIS IS HORRIBLE!!!>
http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/26/missing.baby.hoax/index.html


MIAMI, Florida (CNN) -- Meagan McCormic faced television cameras on Christmas Day to plead for the return of her missing 5-month-old son.


I don't even know if he's dead or alive," she said.

In fact, she knew that the child had never existed, police said.

McCormic was trying to lure an ex-boyfriend back when she invented a missing-child story that triggered a statewide search this week, police said Friday.

Investigators have charged the 22-year-old with filing a false police report. If convicted, they said, she may have to pay authorities for the cost of their search.

She was scheduled to appear in court Friday afternoon.

McCormic had described her infant son as having a mohawk, a single tooth and a fake tattoo. She told reporters his name was Riley Buchness and that she had left him with a nanny who had a French accent and a gap between her teeth.

She invented the story to lure back an ex-boyfriend by pretending he had fathered a child he did not know about, said Delrish Moss, a spokesman for the Miami Police Department. When the boyfriend showed up and asked to see the child, Moss said, McCormic told him the boy was missing.

"He finally decided to show up, and she created a story and he had no idea," Moss said.


I am so afraid that with qll of the publicity surrounding casey anthony, more young women are going to do this with either existing babies or mantastical ones! Either way.....Casey and her publicity have set a very dangerous precedent!!!!

Yes, Casey has set a disgusting new standard.

jmo

[eastside joe]

In a jailhouse meeting with Casey, brother Lee asks her who she believes can be trusted. After mentioning a number of people he then asks "Mom?" "Dad?"

I thought this was strange.

Also, Lee commented on his order of protection. I know he listed Caylee first. Does anyone recall the remainder of his list? I will go back and listen if no one can refresh my memory.

[True2Blues]

OMG that's some "female trouble"! :ohmy:

Yes, advanced pregnancy or Baby Bloat.

[dixie77]

Did I hear this correctly.On Nancy Graces show they aired the meter readers August 911 call.He said he saw something I believe round and white?(assuming the skull?)in a tree?Didn't they take a whole tree for evidence at the crime scene?Can some one explain this a little better to me?

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when did u hear this?

[steffaroob4]

Nope, Fay dumped alot of water but it would have been a gradual raise in the water level, not enough to move the bag.

JMO

Thanks, I am trying to get some stuff straight in my head.

I am leaning towards the thought that what the small white round thing the meter reader saw may have just been a ball or some piece of white garbage.

remember MR called 4 times, he told his story several times. (we don't have the crime line call)

Could MR have just glazed over parts of his story, leaving the officer to think he was most concerned in what the small white object was, and not the gray garbage bag? The officer goes into brush and sees white board and an old white ball, he clears the scene, thinking it was just trash.

[ConchGirl]

OMG that's some "female trouble"! :ohmy:

I've had that trouble myself.

[sunstar]

no no she was just putting on a little weight:lol:

And in just one area of her body it seems! :biggrin:

[need2no]

OMG that's some "female trouble"! :ohmy:

Those darn ovarian cysts are so pesky! :biggrin:

[shelbar53]

Is Mallory and Lee still together? Casey is bringing down everyone around her. I wonder how her parents and Lee will feel about their actions if 5 years, if they think it was worth it and would they do anything differently.

I would never want my life under a microscope. I told my daughter if she ever did anything I would be squealing like a pig. And if I was a witness, I would be selling my story to the highest bidder...taking the loot and retire somewhere warm.

[~jomomma~]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg

if we could put captions on this pic!!

cindy....'belly???? what belly?!'

casey.....'but, i'd have to have sex in order to get pregnant' :rolleyes:

[Adalena935]

Oh I think he did try to delete stuff but the LE computer forenics people were able to retrieve stuff he tried to delete, he should of just went for it all and smashed the hard drive then set it on fire, why do alittle, if your gonna get rid of evidence then do it right.

I don't know if you've heard of the Cinnamon Brown murder case. Love, Lies and Murder. Her Father David Brown had a company that specialized in hard drive data retrieval. Didn't matter what was done to the HD, he could retrieve the data.

[ConchGirl]

In a jailhouse meeting with Casey, brother Lee asks her who she believes can be trusted. After mentioning a number of people he then asks "Mom?" "Dad?"

I thought this was strange.

Also, Lee commented on his order of protection. I know he listed Caylee first. Does anyone recall the remainder of his list? I will go back and listen if no one can refresh my memory.

I don't have the list handy but I do remember that he mentions Mom first in who can I trust. Very odd IMO

[happygert]

OMG that's some "female trouble"! :ohmy:

Dont worry It'll go away in about 9 mos.....well in her case about 2 more months.....:thumbsup:

[Lavenia]

Those darn ovarian cysts are so pesky! :biggrin:

Yah, but lucky thing is you wait a few months, and viola'! They miraculously "heal"!

[MalloryCat]

THIS one had a "Nanny" named camille!


This is horrible! IMO she is some kind of a celebrity among the party set!...My daughter who is 3 years younger and in college tells me that it is very common for girls her age to have babies and "dump them on a parent or somebody else....whoever will take them once they realize the boyfriend isnt interested" It is so sad! I have 5 and would gladly take another if the opportunity arose!

Too bad casey didn't have a REAL nanny for Caylee.

Yeah, and then the next sick thing will be is some way more psychotic young tot mom claims their child was abducted by a Zenaida.

I sure hope not, but its in inevitable, a Casey sort of clone, not exact emerged, this case have given ideas to people probably not even born yet, its so upsetting.

[shelbar53]

if we could put captions on this pic!!

cindy....'belly???? what belly?!'

casey.....'but, i'd have to have sex in order to get pregnant' :rolleyes:

you forgot the pizza excuse. It can be used for a virarity of problems, such as smell or bloated belly. she ate a pizza so she is bloated

[MalloryCat]

I was looking for something else and came across this pic. :w00t:



http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/Anthony-Caseypregnant.jpg

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

[Lavenia]

Is Mallory and Lee still together? Casey is bringing down everyone around her. I wonder how her parents and Lee will feel about their actions if 5 years, if they think it was worth it and would they do anything differently.

I would never want my life under a microscope. I told my daughter if she ever did anything I would be squealing like a pig. And if I was a witness, I would be selling my story to the highest bidder...taking the loot and retire somewhere warm.

Mallory was at the A home feeding the dogs when LE went to close the hosue down as a crime scene when Caylee's remains were found.

[Narcissist71]

Yep, it sure is, and that is obviously a pregnant belly.

Yep, pretty obvious.

[ConchGirl]

if we could put captions on this pic!!

cindy....'belly???? what belly?!'

casey.....'but, i'd have to have sex in order to get pregnant' :rolleyes:

Cindy probably took her shopping for the dress and convinced herself that the sweater thing would cover it up. We are the perfect family. JMO

[shelbar53]

I don't know if you've heard of the Cinnamon Brown murder case. Love, Lies and Murder. Her Father David Brown had a company that specialized in hard drive data retrieval. Didn't matter what was done to the HD, he could retrieve the data.

then im doomed :scared:

[eastside joe]

I do think if LE charges him with anything it'll be related to the computer. MOO

Not I. If they were going to charge Lee with a crime related to the computer, IMO, it would be obstruction of justice and they would have made this decision long ago. These potential charges may include aiding and abetting as stated by Lee's recently hired personal attorney Thomas Luka. The body has finally been discovered. Now this new talk of possible charges. The timing and coincidence of this are suspect.

[ConchGirl]

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

I've heard you say before "none of your business". MOO

[trich]

Casey wasn't offered immunity...She was offered a plea deal JB sat on it. Now if she was offered immunity she would have took that she would have walked out a free woman after to confessing to murder.

Casey was offered limited immunity before she was charged with murder.
Limited immunity for the charges having to do with the child neglect or something to that order.

ORANGE COUNTY, Fla. -- The State Attorney's office sent an offer to Anthony's attorney Jose Baez, to discuss the possibility of limited immunity. If the defense were to agree, the deal would likely keep her words from being used against her, but would not protect her from any other information that investigators dug up and potentially could find in a criminal case. Casey hasn't said a word to investigators about little Caylee Anthony's disappearance in 21 days.

[steffaroob4]

I never heard the meter reader even say a thing about a grey bag , only the white bag twice . Thanks for posting the picture so people can see just how close off the road it was .

When NG put up the transcripts of the calls, it states that there was an edited part, however her tape did play the portion about small round white object, so I am assuming that LE is hiding the bag color for some reason. The report says gray bag right on it.

[shelbar53]

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

Like I said, I would be selling everything to the highest bidder, I would be rooting around the attice looking for stuff to sell.

[sunstar]

I agree, and deleting evidence is clearly illegal.
Why would he be covering for her anyhow, and help Casey get rid of incriminating evidence.

How did any of that help to find Caylee, if they believed she had been kidnapped...

That's just one of the mysteries here! At that point he's not supposed to know anything about what was going on other than nobody had seen Caylee for a month and the car had been impounded because Casey left it at Amscot. So why start in on deleting files from the computer? Or maybe he knew more? :shrug: MOO

[suzanne]

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when did u hear this?

I believe I heard this on the Nancy Grace show.Does any one have a link to the recording or a transcripts of the meter readers 911 call to police in august.Apparantly he made I think about 3 calls to the police.

[happygert]

Yep, pretty obvious.

The only one it's not obvious to is Cindy, George and Lee.....:blink: Cindy nurse no less cant tell when someone is pregnant....I dont think I'd want her as a nurse if she cant even tell when someone is pregnant.

[Lavenia]

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

Could have been anyone at the wedding, though. I imagine with the money promise out there, people that have stuff like this are scrambling to make some quick cash.

[shelbar53]

Not I. If they were going to charge Lee with a crime related to the computer, IMO, it would be obstruction of justice and they would have made this decision long ago. These potential charges may include aiding and abetting as stated by Lee's recently hired personal attorney Thomas Luka. The body has finally been discovered. Now this new talk of possible charges. The timing and coincidence of this are suspect.

You know, I bet your right. Why now with the talk about possibly being charged. But It is hard for me to think Lee could have been involved with disposing of a body....unless she told him where it was and he went to move it but he just happens to have a conscious and it made him to sick to move the bag...he just didnt have the heart to do it.

[Narcissist71]

Sure does to me also, wonder how much that picture cost the globe.

I'm thinking someone other than G&C sold it to them too.....just a guess.

[~jomomma~]

what do you think this is? or did they wrap something they found/dug in this white thing?

http://i152.photobucket.com/albums/s169/lautay_album/untitled.jpg

Remains found
(RED HUBER, ORLANDO SENTINEL / December 11, 2008)
With the FBI at the scene (left) crime scene technicians carry a large item from where remains of a child were found that could be Caylee Marie Anthony. Deputies confirmed the discovery of a young child's remains near Casey Anthony's home this morning.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/crime/orl-caylee-anthonypics-photos,0,5614814.photogallery

[Adalena935]

I never heard the meter reader even say a thing about a grey bag , only the white bag twice . Thanks for posting the picture so people can see just how close off the road it was .

Sheriff commander Angelo Nieves said grey bag I just gave you that link. Nieves at the presser said that.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/

In one of those phone calls, the meter reader reported seeing a gray bag on the side of the road, Nieves said.

The meter reader never said white bag. I just gave you the link.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

Said he saw SOMETHING white
Said he saw a WHITE BOARD

NEVER SAID white bag.

Additionally this is the 2nd time I've told you news has repeatedly said the LE released calls edited to preserve integrity of pending trial.

Why do you keep stating false information trying to pass it off as fact?

[dixie77]

I didn't SEE the report but I did hear he 3 original calls from the meter man himself and he says 2 times on different calls white bag and never anything about a grey bag , IF though the police report says grey bag , well its just another mistake that the police made ,cause he never said grey he specifically said white bag and 2 different times.

I am no being argumentive ,just stating what is on the CALLS as oposed to the police report.
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But whats this about a skull in a tree?

[sunstar]

I believe I heard this on the Nancy Grace show.Does any one have a link to the recording or a transcripts of the meter readers 911 call to police in august.Apparantly he made I think about 3 calls to the police.

Part of them are here: http://www.wflxfox29.com/Global/story.asp?S=9575668&nav=menu98_2

[ConchGirl]

Could have been anyone at the wedding, though. I imagine with the money promise out there, people that have stuff like this are scrambling to make some quick cash.

Count me in. :thumbsup: Zanny & Casey lost money in the stock market. Zanny was rich and didn't need a substantial job that's why she nor her invisible family have no property to trace. I can't wait to see how Baez will explain all of this.

[steffaroob4]

Wait a minute...

What if LE edited out this(warning this is my theory):

I saw a big garbage bag with GRAY duct tape on it.

The dispatcher could have just written gray bag.

This would explain why they have edited out that part on the tape, if he saw a suspicous bag with duct tape back in August, it would have to be the same bag. I have NEVER seen litter bags with duct tape.

[shelbar53]

Maybe Cindy didn't feel it would be appropriate to discuss her daughter's illegitimate pregnancy at someone's wedding. Or maybe even if she didn't believe Casey, maybe she didn't feel it appropriate to fight about it during someone's wedding.

Shame on Rick for selling the picture.

then the correct response would be, yes she is pg but we are not comfortable taking about it at this point so thank you for asking, not what pg...casey isnt pg. that just makes them look dumb or dumber...i dont know them well enough

[bonnie31430]

If this good citizen , trying to help finding a helpless child, now has to hire himself a lawyer.
If the police had done their job better then it would have been found in august, leaving more of the body for identification thus having more to go on when this gets to court.
Wonder what lee and george think about what casey said about the abuse from both of them.
Since the body has been found , I am now wondering what the black widow is doing in the slammer

[Narcissist71]

The only one it's not obvious to is Cindy, George and Lee.....:blink: Cindy nurse no less cant tell when someone is pregnant....I dont think I'd want her as a nurse if she cant even tell when someone is pregnant.

Well to be honest I wouldn't either....but I also wouldn't want the majority of people that claim to be nurses on these boards to be my nurse either......

sorry.....if I offended anyone......but I'm just being honest......now some of the nurses on here I'd love for them to be my nurse, and in some cases I'd rather them be my doctor.

[steffaroob4]

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

I hope he got enough to cover his expenses to go see his poor parents a few times. I don't begrudge him one dime, it isn't his child in jail on murder charges.

[hamebone]

Maybe Cindy didn't feel it would be appropriate to discuss her daughter's illegitimate pregnancy at someone's wedding. Or maybe even if she didn't believe Casey, maybe she didn't feel it appropriate to fight about it during someone's wedding.

Shame on Rick for selling the picture.

what picture? .. sorry trying to catch up...do you have a link...TIA

[Adalena935]

I didn't SEE the report but I did hear he 3 original calls from the meter man himself and he says 2 times on different calls white bag and never anything about a grey bag , IF though the police report says grey bag , well its just another mistake that the police made ,cause he never said grey he specifically said white bag and 2 different times.

I am no being argumentive ,just stating what is on the CALLS as oposed to the police report.

Why don't you post the link & text where the meter reader says white bag

:confused:

I've posted the link 2X's for all the calls from the meter reader (edited as per sheriff) and he says no such thing as you claim.

[~jomomma~]

Wait a minute...

What if LE edited out this(warning this is my theory):

I saw a big garbage bag with GRAY duct tape on it.

The dispatcher could have just written gray bag.

This would explain why they have edited out that part on the tape, if he saw a suspicous bag with duct tape back in August, it would have to be the same bag. I have NEVER seen litter bags with duct tape.
i wondered something like this a while ago. who knows how much duct tape was on the bag

[steffaroob4]

I didn't SEE the report but I did hear he 3 original calls from the meter man himself and he says 2 times on different calls white bag and never anything about a grey bag , IF though the police report says grey bag , well its just another mistake that the police made ,cause he never said grey he specifically said white bag and 2 different times.

I am no being argumentive ,just stating what is on the CALLS as oposed to the police report.

I am going to go listen again, I do not recall ever hearing white bag.

[shelbar53]

You could be right about that Joe, but they can lay charges at any time during an investigation right?

Like you say though, the timing being what it is, charges could involve the discovery scene evidence.

What could that evidence be? Fingerprints or..??

do you think there will be a lag with new sruff about the case till after the new years holiday?

[ConchGirl]

Maybe Cindy didn't feel it would be appropriate to discuss her daughter's illegitimate pregnancy at someone's wedding. Or maybe even if she didn't believe Casey, maybe she didn't feel it appropriate to fight about it during someone's wedding.

Shame on Rick for selling the picture.

Gee, how do you know that Rick sold the pic? How many others were at the wedding?

[gogo]

I didn't SEE the report but I did hear he 3 original calls from the meter man himself and he says 2 times on different calls white bag and never anything about a grey bag , IF though the police report says grey bag , well its just another mistake that the police made ,cause he never said grey he specifically said white bag and 2 different times.

I am no being argumentive ,just stating what is on the CALLS as oposed to the police report.

On the three august calls made by meter man, I never heard even once the word bag mentioned. I thought he said something white . a white thing . I believe the deputy assumed he was talking about a bag. The first time the meter man reported a bag IMO was in December.

[Narcissist71]

I agree, and deleting evidence is clearly illegal.
Why would he be covering for her anyhow, and help Casey get rid of incriminating evidence.

How did any of that help to find Caylee, if they believed she had been kidnapped...

Is there a link to this or are you just speculating?

[happygert]

I kinda doubt that Casey would have allowed Cindy to give her an gynecological exam.

Well I really dont think she needed one at this point. All you had to do was look at her..........

[Lavenia]

Well to be honest I wouldn't either....but I also wouldn't want the majority of people that claim to be nurses on these boards to be my nurse either......

sorry.....if I offended anyone......but I'm just being honest......now some of the nurses on here I'd love for them to be my nurse, and in some cases I'd rather them be my doctor.

Hey now! :punch: :D

[eastside joe]

You know, I bet your right. Why now with the talk about possibly being charged. But It is hard for me to think Lee could have been involved with disposing of a body....unless she told him where it was and he went to move it but he just happens to have a conscious and it made him to sick to move the bag...he just didnt have the heart to do it.

I never stated Lee had anything to do with the disposal of the body or assisting Casey in any other crime. I have believed for the most part that LE knew information but was interested in spending time pursuing charges against any one of the Anthony's with the exception of Casey. IMO

However, for these possible charges to suddenly come to light at this time, it is reasonable to assume that new evidence has surfaced regarding these potential charges. Where would this new evidence come from other than the discovery site or the Anthony property? IMO

Hold on folks, I believe LE is about to allege something big! IMO

[shelbar53]

I'm not sure how much to trust a guy who would so easily sell his family out to the Globe.

Trust him? heck I would marry him if he made alot of money.

[need2no]

At the 2:06 mark of the 8/12 call he says "thats where WE found the snake", who is the We he is mentioning?

I've been wondering that myself.

[Lavenia]

Trust him? heck I would marry him if he made alot of money.

HA! Women who marry for money earn every penny!

[ConchGirl]

I'm not sure how much to trust a guy who would so easily sell his family out to the Globe.

I might be old but I seem to remember that George & Cindy sold exclusive photos to 20/20. I wish I had something to sell. :smile:

[Adalena935]

I believe I heard this on the Nancy Grace show.Does any one have a link to the recording or a transcripts of the meter readers 911 call to police in august.Apparantly he made I think about 3 calls to the police.

This thread's moving fast. I think this is the 4th time I've posted this in 5 pages. Try to keep in mind these calls have been edited by sheriff's dept to preserve integrity of the pending trial. (as per news; fox, msnbc, cnn)

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

[Lavenia]

Looking at her wouldn't have produced the sonogram picture hanging on Caylee's bedroom wall.

I think that came after the wedding. The U/S pics I saw were of a fetus of an advanced gestation.

[steffaroob4]

At the 2:06 mark of the 8/12 call he says "thats where WE found the snake", who is the We he is mentioning?

That sure is interesting...

He starts to say on the one tape, we were at work reading about...
Could he have been training someone to replace him on that route and someone else have been with him? I noticed a large manhole cover in that one picture, could there have been a county worker near there that day and he just was yacking with the guy and they both noticed the white board? Could he and one of work buddies looked in the area on August 11th?

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/195699.jpg

[need2no]

I'm not sure how much to trust a guy who would so easily sell his family out to the Globe.


We already KNOW casey was pregnant, know she gave birth to a daughter, and know is charged with killing Caylee before her 3rd birthday. Frankly I don't see the big deal of someone selling a pic of casey when she was pregnant with Caylee.

[Narcissist71]

I don't know if you've heard of the Cinnamon Brown murder case. Love, Lies and Murder. Her Father David Brown had a company that specialized in hard drive data retrieval. Didn't matter what was done to the HD, he could retrieve the data.

I know ways that you can.......formatting is not one.....repartitioning is not one......sometimes bashing it is not one......

but most people have no clue.....

anyway......if and that's a big if Lee deleted anything....most LE (especially the FBI labs) will be able to find quite a bit of data.

[MalloryCat]

Somebody said so upthread.

Oh really, so he did sell it?

Did Rick ever meet Caylee?

So, its ok for him to make some money, this man who disowned his own kid for siding with his own mother, wow.

Its gross.


jmo

[suzanne]

I found this for now.I'm still looking.It was on Nancy grace.I watch her show every night.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18347939/index.html

[jammies]

Could have been anyone at the wedding, though. I imagine with the money promise out there, people that have stuff like this are scrambling to make some quick cash.


Here's hoping it was great Grandma recouping the money Casey stole from her checking account.

[need2no]

I might be old but I seem to remember that George & Cindy sold exclusive photos to 20/20. I wish I had something to sell. :smile:

Me too! :biggrin:

[MalloryCat]

HA! Women who marry for money earn every penny!

LOL, thats great!

[Adalena935]

HA! Women who marry for money earn every penny!

I didn't marry for money & I earned every penny I've ever gotten too.
Which proves everything I always knew about marrying for money. :blink:

[hamebone]

We already KNOW casey was pregnant, know she gave birth to a daughter, and know is charged with killing Caylee before her 3rd birthday. Frankly I don't see the big deal of someone selling a pic of casey when she was pregnant with Caylee.

I would be hurt badly if my family was out selling pictures, while I was going through hell. But my family and the Ant's are not anything alike.

[ConchGirl]

We already KNOW casey was pregnant, know she gave birth to a daughter, and know is charged with killing Caylee before her 3rd birthday. Frankly I don't see the big deal of someone selling a pic of casey when she was pregnant with Caylee.

It is so refreshing to see common sense finally prevail. :biggrinjester:

[Adalena935]

Not to worry, because I'm not going to try to sway your opinion.

Be happy for Casey. Now she has fodder for lawsuit (the photo) and can help pay her legal fees. :tongue:

[suzanne]

Here are the two other calls by the meter reader in August.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18348096/index.html

http://www.wftv.com/video/18348114/index.html

[Lavenia]

Isn't 7 months pretty advanced? The point I was trying to make is that at some point the pregnancy wasn't a secret anymore.

LOL, yes, 7 months is pretty advanced. I misunderstood what you meant.

[ConchGirl]

Here's hoping it was great Grandma recouping the money Casey stole from her checking account.

:beer: We can only hope. She deserves it IMO

[jammies]

Sheriff commander Angelo Nieves said grey bag I just gave you that link. Nieves at the presser said that.

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/18/caylee.anthony/

In one of those phone calls, the meter reader reported seeing a gray bag on the side of the road, Nieves said.

The meter reader never said white bag. I just gave you the link.

http://definitions.uslegal.com/o/obstruction-of-justice/

Said he saw SOMETHING white
Said he saw a WHITE BOARD

NEVER SAID white bag.

Additionally this is the 2nd time I've told you news has repeatedly said the LE released calls edited to preserve integrity of pending trial.

Why do you keep stating false information trying to pass it off as fact?


I think you need to post this every 5 minutes as we go through this everyday over and over and over...........

:rolleyes:

[True2Blues]

Gee, how do you know that Rick sold the pic? How many others were at the wedding?

At least it's a photo of live people and whoever sold it isn't trying to make a living selling the "likeness" of a dead child.

[MalloryCat]

I would be hurt badly if my family was out selling pictures, while I was going through hell. But my family and the Ant's are not anything alike.

A family is a family, do you think there is such a thing as a perfect family? Cindy is a human being and her brother is just something else, its disgusting.

jmo

[joolz]

A family is a family, do you think there is such a thing as a perfect family? Cindy is a human being and her brother is just something else, its disgusting.

jmo

Rick isn't a human being?

[Adalena935]

I know ways that you can.......formatting is not one.....repartitioning is not one......sometimes bashing it is not one......

but most people have no clue.....

anyway......if and that's a big if Lee deleted anything....most LE (especially the FBI labs) will be able to find quite a bit of data.

Yes they've had that capability for some time thankfully.

[need2no]

It is so refreshing to see common sense finally prevail. :biggrinjester:


Why thank you my dear.

[need2no]

I'm not sure if its really as much a common sense issue, as it is a common decency issue. At least for me. If a family member sold the picture, which someone obviously did, I say shame on them.

Maybe Lee sold it.

[jerzeegirl]

I know ways that you can.......formatting is not one.....repartitioning is not one......sometimes bashing it is not one......

but most people have no clue.....

anyway......if and that's a big if Lee deleted anything....most LE (especially the FBI labs) will be able to find quite a bit of data.

write zeros to the drive

[steffaroob4]

There is something I noticed on several pics, look towards the left side of photo, that piece of cement is roundish and white, he could have just been describing that to give them the location of the fallen tree he saw the bag near.

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/195693.jpg

[Narcissist71]

Hey now! :punch: :D

Hey now....you might be one that I'd have as a doctor.....

actually I'm not sure, I haven't really seen you talk about nursing stuff (to be general) here.

[MalloryCat]

Evidently not a loyal or nice one.

I guess its ok for some to disown your child for doing something like agreeing with their mother. Rick cant understand Cindys love for her own child because he can just throw his away like Casey did, so I guess Casey is like her Uncle Rick, it seems.

jmo

[BobbisAngel]

None that I have heard.

I just wait with bated breath to find out what is happening with Lee.

Why would LE find the need to possibly charge Lee as opposed to Cindy?

If potential charges are pending, IYO what do they relate to?
1) Laptop computer?
2) Receipts?
3) Lying under oath?
3) Fingerprints on garbage bags/and or duct tape?

What other theories exist?


I think Casey got ahold of Lee when she needed to get rid of the body in a hurry. I think she confided in him. Whether she told him the truth of how Caylee died is another matter but I think he helped her get rid of Caylee's body. There is the possibility that his fingerprints were found on the bag or tape or on something inside the bag.

At one time Lee made the statement that him and Casey tell each other secrets that they would never tell anyone else. I think Casey turned to Lee knowing she could trust him not to tell anyone. I believe he got found out somehow though. This is just my opinion though so who knows. He must have done something in order to feel that she needs an attorney and for the attorney to make the statements that he has made.

Sounds like the whole family may be in trouble for trying to save poor precious Casey...where is that puking head!!!

[shelbar53]

I found this for now.I'm still looking.It was on Nancy grace.I watch her show every night.

http://www.wftv.com/video/18347939/index.html


then this is the site you want to bookmark, it updates its self.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

[True2Blues]

Evidently not a loyal or nice one.

As opposed to Casey, Cindy, Lee and George?

[Adalena935]

I'm not sure if its really as much a common sense issue, as it is a common decency issue. At least for me. If a family member sold the picture, which someone obviously did, I say shame on them.

I'll bet Casey would be charmed if that were her only problem right now.

[ConchGirl]

A family is a family, do you think there is such a thing as a perfect family? Cindy is a human being and her brother is just something else, its disgusting.

jmo

I would call Cindy's brother a realist. Sometimes the truth hurts. Oops, I forgot that the truth and the Anthony's are strangers. I can't quite figure out why you love Cindy sooooo much? Kinda like Casey is the mother of the year and everyone else is wrong. Science doesn't lie but people do. IMO

[hamebone]

A family is a family, do you think there is such a thing as a perfect family? Cindy is a human being and her brother is just something else, its disgusting.

jmo
What does my post have to do with me thinking there are perfect families....I SAID, I would be hurt badly if my brother sold a picture of my child. And yes my family isnt anything like the Ant's...My brothers love me as I do them....or did I miss the love between Cindy and Rick...I think not..

[joolz]

I guess its ok for some to disown your child for doing something like agreeing with their mother. Rick cant understand Cindys love for her own child because he can just throw his away like Casey did, so I guess Casey is like her Uncle Rick, it seems.

jmo

What do you mean, Rick threw his child away?

[sunstar]

There is something I noticed on several pics, look towards the left side of photo, that piece of cement is roundish and white, he could have just been describing that to give them the location of the fallen tree he saw the bag near.

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/195693.jpg

I'm seeing it too. Thanks for posting the photo!

[Lavenia]

Hey now....you might be one that I'd have as a doctor.....

actually I'm not sure, I haven't really seen you talk about nursing stuff (to be general) here.

I'd make a good Dr. I leave people in stitches. :tonguewag:

[need2no]

I guess its ok for some to disown your child for doing something like agreeing with their mother. Rick cant understand Cindys love for her own child because he can just throw his away like Casey did, so I guess Casey is like her Uncle Rick, it seems.

jmo


We don't know the details about what happened with Rick and his child, but I'd say there is a vast difference between 'writing off', or no longer seeing/communicating with a grown child, and murdering a 2 year old.

[eastside joe]

I wonder how much Rick got for that pic?

A picture was posted. The quote above was the first response posted regarding that picture. Can anyone provide information substantiating that photo was sold? That is speculation. Then the discussion turns to money being made off of a non-relevant picture (with no apparent evidence to back this up) and disowning of children ... How is any of this relevant? When making statements as fact please provide link. IMO

[jammies]

Just as people seem to not notice how close Cayless body was on the side of the road ............amazing , well really I shouldnt be surprised , people do see and hear what they want to .......lol what EVER.



Go listen to the tapes then get back to us.

[Danette44]

Why don't you post the link & text where the meter reader says white bag

:confused:

I've posted the link 2X's for all the calls from the meter reader (edited as per sheriff) and he says no such thing as you claim.

I hear ya Adalena - this is getting old.......wish it was white then we would know for a fact it was Casey that put her there since a white trash bag was taken from her truck and it was known to be out of TonE's house.....jmoo

[need2no]

I'd make a good Dr. I leave people in stitches. :tonguewag:



Yes you do!!

[True2Blues]

I guess its ok for some to disown your child for doing something like agreeing with their mother. Rick cant understand Cindys love for her own child because he can just throw his away like Casey did, so I guess Casey is like her Uncle Rick, it seems.

jmo

Rick did not murder his son and hide his body. BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS Difference.

I think one of those messages said he and his son had made up.

[MalloryCat]

We don't know the details about what happened with Rick and his child, but I'd say there is a vast difference between 'writing off', or no longer seeing/communicating with a grown child, and murdering a 2 year old.

What could have Ricks son possibly done, something as drastic as killing a baby, lets hope not, but whatever, I guess one thing i have learned from this case, thanks to Casey and Rick, its easy to write your kids off and toss them out of your life for selfish reasons, what a great way to be, NOT.

Once again, seems like Rick and Casey are exactly alike. In fact they should call Rick to the stand and ask him why its ok for him to cut his kid out of his life, they could say this is some genetic family sickness. Oh wait, Rick cant be called, he sold his story, how convenient.

jmo

[Lavenia]

I haven't been around for a while, but have we always had the ability to post pictures?

Just holiday board time.

[need2no]

Just as people seem to not notice how close Cayless body was on the side of the road ............amazing , well really I shouldnt be surprised , people do see and hear what they want to .......lol what EVER.


I noticed.

http://i185.photobucket.com/albums/x161/need2no/Pics%20to%20share/anthony-aerialofwhereremainswerefou.jpg

[suzanne]

then this is the site you want to bookmark, it updates its self.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/ng.html

That's great.Thankyou so much.I got the meter readers 3 calls on this link.Scroll down.


http://www.wftv.com/centralfloridahomeroom/18343056/detail.html

[MalloryCat]

I think one of those messages said he and his son had made up.

Oh, is there a link?

[Lavenia]

Yes you do!!

TY! I would like to think I share a smile with people.

[steffaroob4]

I'm seeing it too. Thanks for posting the photo!

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/196641.jpg

[steffaroob4]

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/196425.jpg

[Adalena935]

Just as people seem to not notice how close Cayless body was on the side of the road ............amazing , well really I shouldnt be surprised , people do see and hear what they want to .......lol what EVER.

I noticed

The reason it's not far off the road is because the dead weight was too much for the defendant to carry very far. Casey's a small girl. As a juror (and that's how I approach these cases for the most part) that would be evidence she murdered alone. Provided other evidence proved her guilty along with this piece of evidence.

[joolz]

Oh, is there a link?

I asked you upthread what you meant by "Rick threw his son away?" I was serious, not trying to pull anything, so could you please answer? TY

[need2no]

TY! I would like to think I share a smile with people.


I should have elaborated earlier but....I hunt for your posts when I come on board because I'm sure to get some laughs that help get me through this sad case. THANK YOU! :thumbsup:

[steffaroob4]

Rick did not murder his son and hide his body. BIG, HUGE, ENORMOUS Difference.

I think one of those messages said he and his son had made up.

I don't think it is very uncommon for parents to have issues with their children when there is a divorce involved, especialy when the children are in their teens and early twenties.

What is rare is having your child in jail for the murder of you grandchild.

[txsage]

Night time deposit of body?

[Adalena935]

My apoligies for posting the wrong link for the meter reader's calls. I mistakenly posted the url to a legal definition.

Correct link to meter reader's 911 calls:

http://www.cfnews13.com/News/Local/2008/12/23/casey_cant_go_to_caylee39s_funeral.html

[Narcissist71]

A family is a family, do you think there is such a thing as a perfect family? Cindy is a human being and her brother is just something else, its disgusting.

jmo

I guess as long as you aren't immediate family it's okay to make money of Caylee.........

It seems some of the same people were disgusted with G&A for doing exactly the same thing. (not that I've seen proof of it)

[hamebone]

I noticed

The reason it's not far off the road is because the dead weight was too much for the defendant to carry very far. Casey's a small girl. As a juror (and that's how I approach these cases for the most part) that would be evidence she murdered alone. Provided other evidence proved her guilty along with this piece of evidence.

what about the flooding in that area...it could of moved the bag from its original place.


You can look at the picture just posted and tell by the under brush there was flooding....

[ConchGirl]

We don't know the details about what happened with Rick and his child, but I'd say there is a vast difference between 'writing off', or no longer seeing/communicating with a grown child, and murdering a 2 year old.

I am so thankful that Caylee was finally found so we don't have to hear Cindy say that she's alive ad nauseam. Every time more evidence came to light there was a new sighting. Her own family tried to make her see the light but she chose her murderous daughter over her own family. I do pray that Cindy will realize that Casey is a lost cause and return to her family who only wants the best for her unlike the Milsteads. JMO

[MalloryCat]

A picture was posted. The quote above was the first response posted regarding that picture. Can anyone provide information substantiating that photo was sold? That is speculation. Then the discussion turns to money being made off of a non-relevant picture (with no apparent evidence to back this up) and disowning of children ... How is any of this relevant? When making statements as fact please provide link. IMO

Please provide a link to the Anthony family profiting.

[Lavenia]

FWIW, I think the dialogue about Rick and his son is unfair. We don't know what kind of shenanigans the son was up to. Isn't this what we wanted the A's to do, is make Casey row her own boat when she screwed up so bad? Yes, Rick's treatment of his son sounds harsh, but we don't know if it was a "fresh" rift between Rick and his son and bitterness and disappointment was talking. They very well may have made up or will yet.

[need2no]

I noticed

The reason it's not far off the road is because the dead weight was too much for the defendant to carry very far. Casey's a small girl. As a juror (and that's how I approach these cases for the most part) that would be evidence she murdered alone. Provided other evidence proved her guilty along with this piece of evidence.


Yes, petite and carrying dead weight, disgusted by smell, fear of snakes and other critters, not wanting to get scratched, poked, or cut by Palmetto bushes, anxious to dump and run before a car or person came by and spotted her.

[Adalena935]

I don't think it is very uncommon for parents to have issues with their children when there is a divorce involved, especialy when the children are in their teens and early twenties.

What is rare is having your child in jail for the murder of you grandchild.

You said the truth there.

[need2no]

FWIW, I think the dialogue about Rick and his son is unfair. We don't know what kind of shenanigans the son was up to. Isn't this what we wanted the A's to do, is make Casey row her own boat when she screwed up so bad? Yes, Rick's treatment of his son sounds harsh, but we don't know if it was a "fresh" rift between Rick and his son and bitterness and disappointment was talking. They very well may have made up or will yet.

ITA, and you can't compare a rift with murder.

[BobbisAngel]

The spot they found caylee in was right off the road though , so very close if you look a the picture steffaroo posted , so it makes no sense at all.


I remember Lisa Bloom on In Session saying that the pictures make it look like Caylee was right by the road but that she really wasn't. She was a lot further back but the pic's are deceitful as far as the closeness to the road goes.

[eastside joe]

What could have Ricks son possibly done, something as drastic as killing a baby, lets hope not, but whatever, I guess one thing i have learned from this case, thanks to Casey and Rick, its easy to write your kids off and toss them out of your life for selfish reasons, what a great way to be, NOT.

Once again, seems like Rick and Casey are exactly alike. In fact they should call Rick to the stand and ask him why its ok for him to cut his kid out of his life, they could say this is some genetic family sickness. Oh wait, Rick cant be called, he sold his story, how convenient.

jmo

Rick can't be called because he sold his story. This is not true. IMO Rick will not be called to the stand because he holds no relevance to the case. However, Lee, Cindy, and George will be called to the stand IMO and in Lee's case he is possibly facing charges such as obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting as was stated by his newly hired personal attorney Thomas Luka. IMO

WOW!!! IMO

[Narcissist71]

Yes they've had that capability for some time thankfully.

But I could make a drive useless to even the FBI without destroying the HD......I could probably hook you up too......and no it's not illegal to clean all the data off an HD.....unless of course there is an investigation going on that you know about. LOL

[Lyndawitha"Y]

What could have Ricks son possibly done, something as drastic as killing a baby, lets hope not, but whatever, I guess one thing i have learned from this case, thanks to Casey and Rick, its easy to write your kids off and toss them out of your life for selfish reasons, what a great way to be, NOT.

Once again, seems like Rick and Casey are exactly alike. In fact they should call Rick to the stand and ask him why its ok for him to cut his kid out of his life, they could say this is some genetic family sickness. Oh wait, Rick cant be called, he sold his story, how convenient.

jmo


Rick bashing once again I see, hummmm why?.. I dont get it Mallory..really dont, even tho its obvious you hate that man, he has nothing to do with Caylee's disappearance, not involving himself in the case in the media, so why bash the man>>>Never mind, It's a rhetorical question, and I really have no interest in the dirty laundry...there is quite enough being aired in just this one "Nuclear Family"..thank you !..

LMS:closedeyes:

[Lavenia]

I should have elaborated earlier but....I hunt for your posts when I come on board because I'm sure to get some laughs that help get me through this sad case. THANK YOU! :thumbsup:

:blushing: I'm honored! I appreciate so much your kind words. A lot.

[jammies]

What , ? You go listen ,I heard every word . I think you and Aida are a bit ticked that I went against your theory how the BAG mustv'e been further back in the woods and drifted UPLAND - defies GRAVITY , hey look at the pics steff posted , or are you ignoring THAT TOO?



"my" theory? Link please!

[ConchGirl]

No doubt about it, its pretty close to the road. Can you imagine how many people drove past her little body day after day. Like George & Cindy? They never even left their driveway unless a limo picked them up. MOO

[MrsHudson]

Do I remember correctly that Casey gave Lee all her passwords on day one of the 911 call, and he erased all her email and web things, and then attempted to reinstall windows?

Something like that. I thought he went to Tony's house to get the computer Casey left there and he said when he got to the house the computer was crashed. Maybe he crashed it to hide incriminating evidence against Casey?

[Adalena935]

Yes, petite and carrying dead weight, disgusted by smell, fear of snakes and other critters, not wanting to get scratched, poked, or cut by Palmetto bushes, anxious to dump and run before a car or person came by and spotted her.

Or not wanting to be found carrying a dead body into the woods. Not wanting to get scratches on legs while carrying dead body into the woods. Or not wanting too many witnesses spotting your vehicle (with dead body smell in trunk) parked on the roadside while she's making her way into the woods.

[Narcissist71]

Just as people seem to not notice how close Cayless body was on the side of the road ............amazing , well really I shouldnt be surprised , people do see and hear what they want to .......lol what EVER.

Nobody has answered how the police with Cadaver Dogs missed this when they searched this area before the hurricane even came........again NOT Tim Miller.

[eastside joe]

Please provide a link to the Anthony family profiting.

Thankfully, I was never drawn into that conversation. I simply pointed out the fact that your post was the intial response to the picture of Casey with Cindy. None of this has any relevance to the charges involving Casey or the potential pending charges involving Lee. IMO

Time to ignore and scroll.

[MalloryCat]

Rick can't be called because he sold his story. This is not true. IMO Rick will not be called to the stand because he holds no relevance to the case. However, Lee, Cindy, and George will be called to the stand IMO and in Lee's case he is possibly facing charges such as obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting as was stated by his newly hired personal attorney Thomas Luka. IMO

WOW!!! IMO

Rick will not be called because someone paid is not real credible, especially someone like him, he is basically the worst brother and father a person could have. Like i said, his own actions really tell me Casey is mentally ill and obviously, to me its apparent its genetic, we will disagree, but with someone like him, who needs enemies?

No wonder he was a distant relative.

jmo

[~jomomma~]

Rick will not be called because someone paid is not real credible, especially someone like him, he is basically the worst brother and father a person could have. Like i said, his own actions really tell me Casey is mentally ill and obviously, to me its apparent its genetic, we will disagree, but with someone like him, who needs enemies?

No wonder he was a distant relative.

jmo


wow! you know rick personally???? :ohmy:

who was he paid by?

[ConchGirl]

Thankfully, I was never drawn into that conversation. I simply pointed out the fact that your post was the intial response to the picture of Casey with Cindy. None of this has any relevance to the charges involving Casey or the potential pending charges involving Lee. IMO

Time to ignore and scroll.

This is what I do. http://bestsmileys.com/notlistening/2.gif

[nc1948]

Evidently not a loyal or nice one.

IS he an honest one.

[steffaroob4]

I see a branch or tree that someone sawed off and a small white roundish object.

http://www.ocso.com/Portals/0/MediaRelations/CrimeSceneGallery/0/195966.jpg

picture posting is a treat we get on Holiday Boards, they will vanish once we go back to normal boards.

[Lavenia]

Nobody has answered how the police with Cadaver Dogs missed this when they searched this area before the hurricane even came........again NOT Tim Miller.

I don't know but that doesn't negate her presence there to me. I remember in the Lunsford case, the cadaver dogs missed Jessica's body, too and there is no doubt it was there when the dogs were present. In my little pea brain, I reason it the same way in that absence of evidence does not mean the crime didn't occur.

[sunstar]

Just holiday board time.

I really wish we could put photos related to the case (like the one here of where Caylee was found, and the other one of the Anthonys' yard) here all the time just for a quick reference. Sometimes links go away. MOO

[MrsHudson]

If your own lawyer is stating that you may be facing charges such as obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, then it is reasonable for one to assume there will be charges.

Quite different from Cindy and George's lawyer (Conway) who publically stated the Anthony's were not being investigated.

I believe if LE charges Lee with aiding and abetting it relates to evidence collected at Caylee's discovery site. IMO The timing of these potential charges is revealing. IMO

Scuse me but Cindy and George's lawyer, when he first came on the scene, said they had given conflicting statements to LE and he was seeking full immunity for them.

[BobbysGirl]

what about the flooding in that area...it could of moved the bag from its original place.


You can look at the picture just posted and tell by the under brush there was flooding....

Forgive my post, I understood, that Caylee was put under a bush? Palmetto or whatever it is called And from videos the so called bush was taken. I wonder, how long the remains were there? Were her bones, imbedded in the growth?


I can understand that animals over a period of time can scatter the bones. From what, I heard or read...Caylee was placed under the brush.

Help me out here. Only asking.

BG

[MalloryCat]

wow! you know rick personally???? :ohmy:

who was he paid by?


Do you think my opinon, which I stated means I know him?

[Narcissist71]

I haven't been around for a while, but have we always had the ability to post pictures?

In the old days....the IMG was disabled.

Not sure if that is what people are using here now to link pics......haven't tried or looked....

but I do know back on the CTV boards I did and IMG was disabled....just to clarify.

[True2Blues]

I don't think it is very uncommon for parents to have issues with their children when there is a divorce involved, especialy when the children are in their teens and early twenties.

What is rare is having your child in jail for the murder of you grandchild.

Of course it isn't. Not only having your child in jail for killing your grandchild, but lying and obstructing justice for that daughter, rather than wanting LE to find the truth and the Grandchild, dead or alive.

Loving your child when they've done something, even something terrible, is understandable. Choosing to throw away the grandchild, because she is no longer alive, in order to try and cover for the mother, that is something else.