Caylee Anthony - Dec 27/08 - Part 1

[ellegna]

We will never forget you Caylee.

[chrissybot]

Thank you elle. thats so beautiful!

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee

[CENTER]http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

[spiritwolf46]

That picture is absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much! :crying:

[Barbara fl.]

Ellegna,

I never saw anything so beautiful....and so fitting....

[ellegna]

That picture is absolutely beautiful! Thank you so much! :crying:

You're very welcome.
I've seen a few but this one is my favorite. Makes me want to cry too

[Jester]

You're very welcome.
I've seen a few but this one is my favorite. Makes me want to cry too

Good Morning

[spiritwolf46]

You're very welcome.
I've seen a few but this one is my favorite. Makes me want to cry too

Just still makes one sit WAY back in their seat and ask, WHY?, doesn't it?

I have never seen anyone as selfish, self centered, horrible, lying and EVIL as Casey Anthony. I pray that I never see anyone like her again.

:rose: For Caylee and all on this board who truly cares.

[Katt2]

Thinking about the possibility of Lee facing obstruction charges I am wondering if it had to do with "cleaning" Casey's computer when he retrieved it. Perhaps she had those "questionable" photos of herself on her computer and asked Lee to get rid of them.

[ellegna]

Just still makes one sit WAY back in their seat and ask, WHY?, doesn't it?

I have never seen anyone as selfish, self centered, horrible, lying and EVIL as Casey Anthony. I pray that I never see anyone like her again.

:rose: For Caylee and all on this board who truly cares.

It sure does make you wonder.

Thought you'd be interested in this article. This journalist asked Why too
How could someone hurt Caylee?
(http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_11315376)

[Mimi428]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/26/missing.baby.hoax/index.html


Looks like we will be seeing more reports of "my nanny took my child":rolleyes:

Thank goodness in that case there was no actual child really missing.

Meanwhile, it never ceases to amaze me how many people don't seem to comprehend how transparent the lies are in the hoaxes they are trying to perpetuate.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Just still makes one sit WAY back in their seat and ask, WHY?, doesn't it?

I have never seen anyone as selfish, self centered, horrible, lying and EVIL as Casey Anthony. I pray that I never see anyone like her again.

:rose: For Caylee and all on this board who truly cares.


You are so right....I thought that Scott Peterson was the worst...but I believe that Casey has even him beat....

[spiritwolf46]

It sure does make you wonder.

Thought you'd be interested in this article. This journalist asked Why too
How could someone hurt Caylee?
(http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_11315376)

Thank you so much for that article.

This goes for any and all child/children who are hurt or murdered at the hands of a parent or anyone for that matter.

I just cannot fathom any of it.

[n/t]

Thinking about the possibility of Lee facing obstruction charges I am wondering if it had to do with "cleaning" Casey's computer when he retrieved it. Perhaps she had those "questionable" photos of herself on her computer and asked Lee to get rid of them.

Could very well be one of the reasons. I'm sure there's more to it though. I don't think it's just the computer and the possibility that he deleted evidence...emails or photos.

Where are Caylee's clothes?

[Barbara fl.]

Thinking about the possibility of Lee facing obstruction charges I am wondering if it had to do with "cleaning" Casey's computer when he retrieved it. Perhaps she had those "questionable" photos of herself on her computer and asked Lee to get rid of them.


I too believe she told Lee a great deal pertaining to Caylee (whether it was the truth or not) he would have covered for Casey...IMO...

I believe he dropped out of site for a reason other then his work....Casey trusted him to try and help her out of this situation (looking up to her older brother) but she might not have been truthful with him.....I do not believe that Casey is capable of telling the truth...she has been living in a world of lies for too long....

[spiritwolf46]

You are so right....I thought that Scott Peterson was the worst...but I believe that Casey has even him beat....

No doubt. Or, if there was ever two peas that should have been in a pod, it is these two. Scott with his porn and Casey on a pole groping another gal. All directly after their children were dead.

Makes me want to bang my head up against something to see if I don't come out of these types of nightmares.

The sad part is that even though SP is on death row, he will be there for what seems to be forever and his parents can SEE him and talk to him and the Anthony's can see and talk to Casey! Caylee, Conner and Laci can't talk to their loved ones and visa versa. Casey will probably get LWOP but she won't care. She hasn't cared to date about anything but herself.

I just don't know what the answers are in our judicial system. I think it works for the most part, but it seems that this type of thing is happening more and more.

Maybe it is just me? :shrug:

[msgatorslayer]

Thank goodness in that case there was no actual child really missing.

Meanwhile, it never ceases to amaze me how many people don't seem to comprehend how transparent the lies are in the hoaxes they are trying to perpetuate.

JMO

A habitual liar is used to people either believing them or simply not being called on it. They think LE will be the same and they are soooo wrong. Look at Casey!! Even after agreeing that everything she said was a lie, she still went on about the 'work phone' and by the end of the interview thought she had LE under control. She really thought the 'good cop' was on her side. That she had won him over after being busted in all her lies.

[*MoonRider*]

Good Morning everyone. I thought this was interesting. The money trail will be just as interesting as the trial. IMO
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Who pays for Casey's defense and who profits?

As the defense team for Caylee has grown, questions have been raised as to if and how a team of high-profile forensic experts are being paid for their contributions.

The kind of defense assembled by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, typically would not come cheap. While it is unknown whether any of the experts are being paid, what is known, is that if Casey is convicted of first degree murder, it is unlikely her legal team will be raking-in the dough.

That would put to rest any rumors of a book or movie deal that could be in the works.

So far, attorneys for the defense include, in addition to Baez: Linda Kenny-Baden, famed attorney for record producer Phil Spector, Jose Luis Garcia, Jonathen Casen and Mike Walsh. If the prosecution should seek the death penalty, Terance Lenamon could join the defense. There are also several scientific experts working the case for the defense.

"Are you going to do what is best in Ms. Anthony's interest, or what's going to get you on TV the most?" asked criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, citing one of the many questions posed to Baez by people who have been closely following the case.

Under Florida law, Baez would not be able to tell, or sell, his story for profit if his client is convicted, based on attorney-client privileges.

"If Ms. Anthony is convicted of anything, Mr. Baez and anybody who has worked on his defense, will never be able to publicly speak about either what she said, what she talked about or how their defense was prepared. If they did, they could be sued," added Hornsby.

If Casey is acquitted of charges, and she were to grant permission to Baez, then, and only then, could he make money from the case.

Hornsby said any money-making deal is not due-diligence for Casey. "Unless their people are truly doing this pro bono, there is probably some questionable things that have gone on regarding compensation," said Hornsby.

It is important to note that at the time of this publication, there had been no formal complaints filed against Baez about how he and his defense team was getting paid in their representation of Casey Anthony.

[Barbara fl.]

Could very well be one of the reasons. I'm sure there's more to it though. I don't think it's just the computer and the possibility that he deleted evidence...emails or photos.

Where are Caylee's clothes?


I also remember George making a comment to LE during his questioning...He asked LE "you can retrieve deleted info from the computer, can't you?" I actually took that as feeling around to see if they can.....I could be wrong, but that's the feeling that I got...

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank you Swarvie!!:


Swarovski
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: City of crystal
Posts: 1,589

Could Lee Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1


From the article:

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

LOL, of course not LE just files obstruction charges on a whim. First I am hearing about aiding and abetting too, very interesting. If lee anthony has done anything to interfere with this investigation charges SHOULD be filed, imo. :angry:

[msgatorslayer]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/26/missing.baby.hoax/index.html


Looks like we will be seeing more reports of "my nanny took my child":rolleyes:

For that childs sake, I'm glad he has a real mom, somewhere. Poor lil guy. Could this whack job of a woman give any worse of a description?:scared:

[spiritwolf46]

Snipped for this

It is important to note that at the time of this publication, there had been no formal complaints filed against Baez about how he and his defense team was getting paid in their representation of Casey Anthony.


Very interesting, Moon. Thank you. I kind of wonder if any formal complaints are in the works right now, then?

[Barbara fl.]

Good Morning everyone. I thought this was interesting. The money trail will be just as interesting as the trial. IMO
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Who pays for Casey's defense and who profits?

As the defense team for Caylee has grown, questions have been raised as to if and how a team of high-profile forensic experts are being paid for their contributions.

The kind of defense assembled by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, typically would not come cheap. While it is unknown whether any of the experts are being paid, what is known, is that if Casey is convicted of first degree murder, it is unlikely her legal team will be raking-in the dough.

That would put to rest any rumors of a book or movie deal that could be in the works.

So far, attorneys for the defense include, in addition to Baez: Linda Kenny-Baden, famed attorney for record producer Phil Spector, Jose Luis Garcia, Jonathen Casen and Mike Walsh. If the prosecution should seek the death penalty, Terance Lenamon could join the defense. There are also several scientific experts working the case for the defense.

"Are you going to do what is best in Ms. Anthony's interest, or what's going to get you on TV the most?" asked criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, citing one of the many questions posed to Baez by people who have been closely following the case.

Under Florida law, Baez would not be able to tell, or sell, his story for profit if his client is convicted, based on attorney-client privileges.

"If Ms. Anthony is convicted of anything, Mr. Baez and anybody who has worked on his defense, will never be able to publicly speak about either what she said, what she talked about or how their defense was prepared. If they did, they could be sued," added Hornsby.

If Casey is acquitted of charges, and she were to grant permission to Baez, then, and only then, could he make money from the case.

Hornsby said any money-making deal is not due-diligence for Casey. "Unless their people are truly doing this pro bono, there is probably some questionable things that have gone on regarding compensation," said Hornsby.

It is important to note that at the time of this publication, there had been no formal complaints filed against Baez about how he and his defense team was getting paid in their representation of Casey Anthony.



I really do not think that this "Dream Team" is doing it for the money....It is all about publicity....

There are a lot of scum out there that are loaded and would hire attornies that can at least get a hung jury....the forensic experts like to challenge the oposition...and also look to be hired by the scum out there....

No one gives their services to the likes of an individual like Casey without an ulterior motive....(maybe just legal aide) but this team is not that.....

This is the biggest case since I can't remember when....that is why they are taking it on....it's a power thing, take on the hardest...get a hung jury (that is a win for them)...and they become bigger and bigger...


But I do believe that this case is more then they have imagined and it will bring them down....Mark Geragos hasn't really been heard about too much after losing the SP case....IMO...I think that is what is going to happen here....

[courtsinsession]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/26/missing.baby.hoax/index.html


Looks like we will be seeing more reports of "my nanny took my child":rolleyes:

looks like maybe the evil wench started a trend; ya just can't trust these nannies nowadays

[n/t]

Thanks for the link Moonrider. Someone is paying for this "dream team". I have a hard time believing that whoever is paying is doing it out of the goodness of their hearts. There has to be something in it for them. We'll have to see. Here is what Koblinsky and Reichs had to say about it on Larry King:


KING: Dr. Kobilinsky, who is paying for this high profile defense team?

KOBILINSKY: I -- I -- first of all, I don't know, Larry. And, secondly, if I knew, I probably wouldn't be at liberty to say so.

KING: Dr. Reichs, do you know or care to say so?

REICHS: We -- when they retained our services, there is a clause in that contract about nondisclosure and confidentiality. So if I did know about the other participants in the team, I wouldn't be at liberty to say.

KING: But you are...

REICHS: I know I can't...

KING: You are being paid by...

REICHS: I can squelch...

KING: ...the lawyers, right?

REICHS: I can squelch some of the rumors pertaining to where the money has come from.

KING: All right. Squelch them.

REICHS: Well, there is a rumor that's been said back to me by the media that I've signed a book deal and that the money is somehow going to go to the Anthony family to pay for this defense team. And I can unequivocally say that's absolutely untrue. I've never been approached about it.

I'm very busy writing my Temperance Brennan novels and producing the show. And I wouldn't have time, if I did have the inclination.

And, also, I would be constrained by a confidentiality and nondisclosure with regard to what's going on in the case.

KING: Got you.

REICHS: So that's definitely...

KING: Larry...

REICHS: ...not where the money is coming from.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/19/lkl.01.html

[Barbara fl.]

looks like maybe the evil wench started a trend; ya just can't trust these nannies nowadays


She has got to be a believer in "Zenaida"...or she would never have tried to pull that off....

Sure hope she is not picked for a juror.....

[*MoonRider*]

I really do not think that this "Dream Team" is doing it for the money....It is all about publicity....

There are a lot of scum out there that are loaded and would hire attornies that can at least get a hung jury....the forensic experts like to challenge the oposition...and also look to be hired by the scum out there....

No one gives their services to the likes of an individual like Casey without an ulterior motive....(maybe just legal aide) but this team is not that.....

This is the biggest case since I can't remember when....that is why they are taking it on....it's a power thing, take on the hardest...get a hung jury (that is a win for them)...and they become bigger and bigger...


But I do believe that this case is more then they have imagined and it will bring them down....Mark Geragos hasn't really been heard about too much after losing the SP case....IMO...I think that is what is going to happen here....

When Baez took this case he thought he could win an acquittal. Now there's a body I think he's in big trouble. I just find it interesting that most everyone associated with this case says they are not being paid. The money is coming from somewhere and I guess we'll find out in time.

[martha]

Good morning everyone, I sure was wishing the a;s would come out and make a statement to thank everyone. Maybe say they were sorry for the way they have acted. I am sure we would all have a lot more feelings for them if they would just admit they were wrong.Lee needs to be charged.the way he has acted.jmho

[Katt2]

Thank you Swarvie!!:


Swarovski
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: City of crystal
Posts: 1,589

Could Lee Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1


From the article:

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

LOL, of course not LE just files obstruction charges on a whim. First I am hearing about aiding and abetting too, very interesting. If lee anthony has done anything to interfere with this investigation charges SHOULD be filed, imo. :angry:

If the word felony is being tossed around, it has to be more tangible than hindering or misleading. That's why I think it could have to do with destroying computer files and the fact that Luca said "not his intention" which brings me back to destroying photos Casey didn't want seen and in the process he may have destroyed other incriminating evidence. And could be even more sinister than that, who knows?

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone, I sure was wishing the a;s would come out and make a statement to thank everyone. Maybe say they were sorry for the way they have acted. I am sure we would all have a lot more feelings for them if they would just admit they were wrong.Lee needs to be charged.the way he has acted.jmho


I believe that they are trying to make the appearance that they are grieving for Caylee...However, my opinion is that they ahd already done their grieving. Because I do not have a doubt in my mind that they knew Casey was gone from the very beginning...

They might be regrouping right now on how to approach the find of the body...and be in the defense of their daughter...

JMO

[martha]

I really do not think that this "Dream Team" is doing it for the money....It is all about publicity....

There are a lot of scum out there that are loaded and would hire attornies that can at least get a hung jury....the forensic experts like to challenge the oposition...and also look to be hired by the scum out there....

No one gives their services to the likes of an individual like Casey without an ulterior motive....(maybe just legal aide) but this team is not that.....

This is the biggest case since I can't remember when....that is why they are taking it on....it's a power thing, take on the hardest...get a hung jury (that is a win for them)...and they become bigger and bigger...


But I do believe that this case is more then they have imagined and it will bring them down....Mark Geragos hasn't really been heard about too much after losing the SP case....IMO...I think that is what is going to happen here....
ITA with you I think you or so right. I hope you or right too. I don;t even like to look at Geragos now just to think he would defend sp.jmho

[Carol25]

Do any of you think that Baez will be dismissed from the team when the pre trial hearing comes about? He isn't murder 1 classified is he? Doesn't he have to have several cases in his resume? What if it is a DP case?

[*MoonRider*]

Good morning everyone, I sure was wishing the a;s would come out and make a statement to thank everyone. Maybe say they were sorry for the way they have acted. I am sure we would all have a lot more feelings for them if they would just admit they were wrong.Lee needs to be charged.the way he has acted.jmho

Good Morning Martha. That would be the right thing to do but IF they did it would be completely out of character for them. I for one won't be holding my breath. IMO

[SandyO]

I too believe she told Lee a great deal pertaining to Caylee (whether it was the truth or not) he would have covered for Casey...IMO...

I believe he dropped out of site for a reason other then his work....Casey trusted him to try and help her out of this situation (looking up to her older brother) but she might not have been truthful with him.....I do not believe that Casey is capable of telling the truth...she has been living in a world of lies for too long....

We have all been witnessing an amazing phenomenon with Casey Anthony. I was listening to her original taped interviews with LE (again) over the past few days, and it strikes me as something we will never understand how she can look people straight in the eye and continue to tell huge lies, and expecting to be believed. Casey has a sense of superiority, of entitlement, and she is the pure personification of evil. She can appear so normal ........but she has the darkest of hearts. I honestly sympathize with all those, including her family, who have been 'taken in' by her evil genius.

[martha]

I believe that they are trying to make the appearance that they are grieving for Caylee...However, my opinion is that they ahd already done their grieving. Because I do not have a doubt in my mind that they knew Casey was gone from the very beginning...

They might be regrouping right now on how to approach the find of the body...and be in the defense of their daughter...

JMO You or so right when cindy ask casey what have you done now she knew and george knew when he went to get the car.he ask someone to look in the trunk. they have both known caylee was dead from the very start. It has never been about caylee it has been about saving casey but.jmho

[*MoonRider*]

That's beautiful. Thank you.

I was just on yesterday's thread, and can't access pages from the Anthony communications link. I get the list of pages, but can't click onto any specific page. Is it just this crappy new computer? (which I shouldn't have bought) Or is there something special that I need to do to get access?

Try this and make sure your browser isn't blocking it. http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

[msgatorslayer]

I believe that they are trying to make the appearance that they are grieving for Caylee...However, my opinion is that they ahd already done their grieving. Because I do not have a doubt in my mind that they knew Casey was gone from the very beginning...

They might be regrouping right now on how to approach the find of the body...and be in the defense of their daughter...

JMO

ITA

They are not in a rush to thank anyone, IMO, because they are not that thankful that people got off their azzes and found a dead Caylee. Even though, IMO, they knew she was dead, they didn't want anyone to know that their princess was a murderer. The finding of the body is not something they wanted.

[Barbara fl.]

ITA with you I think you or so right. I hope you or right too. I don;t even like to look at Geragos now just to think he would defend sp.jmho


I also wouldn't be a bit surprised if "Linda Baden" backs down before the trial...She might also be thinking that this case can make or break her and she might not be willing to take the chance...However, how often does a case like this come about.?...(the crime, yes..but the publicity no)....

It's going to be a gamble for any defense attorney...

Casey is going.....no doubt in my mind at all....and I'm sure 95 % of the country believe that also....

[martha]

We have all been witnessing an amazing phenomenon with Casey Anthony. I was listening to her original taped interviews with LE (again) over the past few days, and it strikes me as something we will never understand how she can look people straight in the eye and continue to tell huge lies, and expecting to be believed. Casey has a sense of superiority, of entitlement, and she is the pure personification of evil. She can appear so normal ........but she has the darkest of hearts. I honestly sympathize with all those, including her family, who have been 'taken in' by her evil genius.
ITA with you I have never seen anyone that could lie like she can and not show one bit of anything. I listen to her talking to le and even when they tell her something is a lie and she sayes yes then she goes right back to the same lie.she is the first one I have ever seen like this and I sure hope it is the last one. I am sure if she is put on the stand she will keep on beingjust like she is now.jmho

[Barbara fl.]

ITA

They are not in a rush to thank anyone, IMO, because they are not that thankful that people got off their azzes and found a dead Caylee. Even though, IMO, they knew she was dead, they didn't want anyone to know that their princess was a murderer. The finding of the body is not something they wanted.



Yes, I do believe that they knew all along Caylee was deceased...(the odor in the car) no one could get passed that...

They were hoping against hope that no body would be found...that would have given their prescious daughter a half a chance to get off...

But as God will have it....the poor childs body surfaced....now they know they are in trouble.....In my opinion, they are grieving for CASEY right now more so then Caylee.....JMO

[*MoonRider*]

ITA

They are not in a rush to thank anyone, IMO, because they are not that thankful that people got off their azzes and found a dead Caylee. Even though, IMO, they knew she was dead, they didn't want anyone to know that their princess was a murderer. The finding of the body is not something they wanted.

I totally agree. When the hair and air tests came back should have been the end of the charade. That's when they got off their azzes to spin more. Now would be a great time for them to thank everyone and try to heal the wounds with Cindy's family. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

ITA with you I think you or so right. I hope you or right too. I don;t even like to look at Geragos now just to think he would defend sp.jmho


And the publicity that he hoped to get from that case didn't work in his favor....so not even the scum will hire himafter the DP was instituted.


And, I too can not stand to look at Geragos....

[courtsinsession]

We have all been witnessing an amazing phenomenon with Casey Anthony. I was listening to her original taped interviews with LE (again) over the past few days, and it strikes me as something we will never understand how she can look people straight in the eye and continue to tell huge lies, and expecting to be believed. Casey has a sense of superiority, of entitlement, and she is the pure personification of evil. She can appear so normal ........but she has the darkest of hearts. I honestly sympathize with all those, including her family, who have been 'taken in' by her evil genius.

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

[martha]

Yes, I do believe that they knew all along Caylee was deceased...(the odor in the car) no one could get passed that...

They were hoping against hope that no body would be found...that would have given their prescious daughter a half a chance to get off...

But as God will have it....the poor childs body surfaced....now they know they are in trouble.....In my opinion, they are grieving for CASEY right now more so then Caylee.....JMO you or so right if she had not been found then they would have said she was with someone like geroge said they were watching the kn. wonder who he was watching. I wish they had found her in aug but thank goodness they did find her.I pray if casey did this she does get lwop she may get beat up everyday she is in prison.jmho

[sofiesmom]

I really do not think that this "Dream Team" is doing it for the money....It is all about publicity....

There are a lot of scum out there that are loaded and would hire attornies that can at least get a hung jury....the forensic experts like to challenge the oposition...and also look to be hired by the scum out there....

No one gives their services to the likes of an individual like Casey without an ulterior motive....(maybe just legal aide) but this team is not that.....

This is the biggest case since I can't remember when....that is why they are taking it on....it's a power thing, take on the hardest...get a hung jury (that is a win for them)...and they become bigger and bigger...


But I do believe that this case is more then they have imagined and it will bring them down....Mark Geragos hasn't really been heard about too much after losing the SP case....IMO...I think that is what is going to happen here....I think you're right. Esp. about the publicity factor, and about Casey's team going down...losing credibility.

I think this case is maybe bigger than both Petersons (maybe), Jackson, Spector.... I can't believe H Lee is still considered a valuable expert witness.

[Katt2]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

Now, now Casey shows a lot of emotion---when the conversation is centered on her.

[Barbara fl.]

In my opinion....

The Scott Peterson case brought down "Mark Geragos"..
The Phil Spector case destroyed "Henry Lee"..
And this case is going to destroy the rest of those so called "high profile attorney's"..

All they will get out of this is their face on camera....They will NOT be able to pull this off no more than Casey did.....


JMO....

[martha]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.
You or so right I love the way you describer her that is the way I feel about her but could not put it into workds. I have never seen anyone like her and hope i never do again.jmho

[SandyO]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

I think that's what I was trying to say............. Casey doesn't just dream-up a lie, she dreams up a whole "movie"! A complete cast of characters, even their relatives ........ and then she marches forward with it full force. I can believe Baez may have been fooled by her at first, but he has to have seen through her maze at some point, probably way back when she was spending so much time at his office. I know Baez may be enjoying the publicity and free advertizing, but it wouldn't be surprising if he is wondering how to get OUT of this.

[martha]

In my opinion....

The Scott Peterson case brought down "Mark Geragos"..
The Phil Spector case destroyed "Henry Lee"..
And this case is going to destroy the rest of those so called "high profile attorney's"..

All they will get out of this is their face on camera....They will NOT be able to pull this off no more than Casey did.....


JMO.... I hope it does take them all down. When I look at caylee picture it just tears me apart and I don;t think much of a lawyer or anyone elce that will defend a person that would hurt a child.jmho

[marshmallow]

the dream team is one of the reasons I think Casey will never break down and spill. Can you imagine how well fed her ego is? all the press, people giving her pork rind and juice box money, anon. donors buying her the best of the best in defensive experts.... her face is on tv, people talk about her.... I'm betting Miss Casey is feeling pretty important right now and my bet is Baez is feeding her ego to keep it that way.

[Barbara fl.]

you or so right if she had not been found then they would have said she was with someone like geroge said they were watching the kn. wonder who he was watching. I wish they had found her in aug but thank goodness they did find her.I pray if casey did this she does get lwop she may get beat up everyday she is in prison.jmho


Without a doubt...They all would have swore on a stack of bibles that Caylee was still alive....I also believe that the photo in the mall of a little girl was staged....They are all wrecked that a body has been found.....

And Henry Lee needs to pack it up....I just hope that the prosecution will be able to bring up what happened in the PS case and doubly destroy this man....JMO, but he is a disgrace to forensic scientists that truly want to make it work for the good.....

If Henry Lee was an MD he would have lost his license for what he did...
If Henry Lee was the president of the United States...he would have been impeached for what he did...

IMO, he has no right to be on any case following "surpressing evidence"....what I can not understand is why charges were not brought on him? JMO

[msgatorslayer]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

Agreed!! She is very cold. "All anyone cares about is Caylee"

You'd think she was talking about the weather in all the recording we've heard. There is not one ounce of worry about Caylee. When she does cry talking to her Dad, she says she is not sitting around crying all the time.:blush: And those tears where for herself.

[*MoonRider*]

Lee's lawyer doesn't seem too bright. Is he working for free too?

This is from myfoxorlando

"Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario."
Maybe he should read the State Witness List where Cindy, George and Lee are all listed as witnesses. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/anthony/Anthony_case_witness_list.htm

[Barbara fl.]

I hope it does take them all down. When I look at caylee picture it just tears me apart and I don;t think much of a lawyer or anyone elce that will defend a person that would hurt a child.jmho


Your right....no amount of money or publicity could make me put my morals aside....I wouldn't be able to sleep at night...

This case is just too sad for words....

[desmom]

Thank you Swarvie!!:


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Could Lee Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1


From the article:

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

LOL, of course not LE just files obstruction charges on a whim. First I am hearing about aiding and abetting too, very interesting. If lee anthony has done anything to interfere with this investigation charges SHOULD be filed, imo. :angry:

From your link:

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample.

Really? http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html

...investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test.

[ellegna]

From your link:

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample.

Really? http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html

...investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test.

Didn't Lee refuse to give his fingerprints too?

[AJandTam]

From your link:

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample.

Really? http://www.wftv.com/news/17680298/detail.html

...investigators had to get a search warrant to get Casey's brother Lee to submit to a DNA test.

Good Morning Desmom,

I can't open that link. Would you mind giving me a short run down on what it says?

[Barbara fl.]

the dream team is one of the reasons I think Casey will never break down and spill. Can you imagine how well fed her ego is? all the press, people giving her pork rind and juice box money, anon. donors buying her the best of the best in defensive experts.... her face is on tv, people talk about her.... I'm betting Miss Casey is feeling pretty important right now and my bet is Baez is feeding her ego to keep it that way.

You are so right....Casey will never break....And i'm sure she does not miss Caylee...she might be wishing that she hid the body a little better (same as SP) but she is not sorry for what she did...

No mother could have carried out an act like this to their prescious child unless they hated this child all along...

Some people say that Casey always acted like a loving mother....Well I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand up from so called loving mothers that acted like that around people but were totally the opposite when alone with the child.....I do not buy that or the pictures....pictures are posed for.....

JMO

[firefly75]

I think that's what I was trying to say............. Casey doesn't just dream-up a lie, she dreams up a whole "movie"! A complete cast of characters, even their relatives ........ and then she marches forward with it full force. I can believe Baez may have been fooled by her at first, but he has to have seen through her maze at some point, probably way back when she was spending so much time at his office. I know Baez may be enjoying the publicity and free advertizing, but it wouldn't be surprising if he is wondering how to get OUT of this.

She even dreams up middle names for all the cast....She usually gives a middle name to some of these people....seems so odd to me...

[Neffy]

She even dreams up middle names for all the cast....She usually gives a middle name to some of these people....seems so odd to me...

I've read elsewhere from so-called experts (psychologists) that this is to lend credibility to her story, giving nanny a first, middle and last name.

A few people mentioned they're was never any plea to the Nanny or "kidnappers" to return Caylee. None!

[desmom]

Good Morning Desmom,

I can't open that link. Would you mind giving me a short run down on what it says?

ooops, I had trouble with the FOX link, too. I found it here. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Luka basically said it is an ongoing investigation, no one knows where it will lead and Lee wants his civil rights protected, Lee has been conducting his own investigation looking into leads for other suspects.

Here is a link for the video interview with Luka http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151104&version=1&locale=EN-US

jmo

[Mimi428]

We have all been witnessing an amazing phenomenon with Casey Anthony. I was listening to her original taped interviews with LE (again) over the past few days, and it strikes me as something we will never understand how she can look people straight in the eye and continue to tell huge lies, and expecting to be believed. Casey has a sense of superiority, of entitlement, and she is the pure personification of evil. She can appear so normal ........but she has the darkest of hearts. I honestly sympathize with all those, including her family, who have been 'taken in' by her evil genius.

What is your definition of "understand"?

If you can put away the belief that all people really & truly have a conscience, I think it is much easier to 'understand'. I actually think Casey is so blatantly psychopathic that it makes it easy to comprehend how she can so calmly lie, even in the face of LE who are confrontational with her about her lies. To me, she (so far) appears to be textbook for psychopathy. I actually think she will be a useful tool for professional people who will be studying or working with female psychopaths.

When I post that I think she is easy to understand, I DON'T mean I agree with her, I simply mean that I think the evidence is so sharp & convincing that it gives us a crystal clear picture of a person who has no conscience. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. And because she has none, she will not show guilt, remorse, empathy or any other emotion associated with having a conscience.

She fits the description as someone who "knows the words, but can't hear the music". (the music being a conscience).

JMO

[MalloryCat]

In my opinion....

The Scott Peterson case brought down "Mark Geragos"..
The Phil Spector case destroyed "Henry Lee"..
And this case is going to destroy the rest of those so called "high profile attorney's"..

All they will get out of this is their face on camera....They will NOT be able to pull this off no more than Casey did.....


JMO....

Destroyed? Then why are they always on news shows giving commentary? Ruined would mean no one hired them or cared about them anymore.

[Barbara fl.]

I agree with Sandy...Casey lies a whole story....her lies can make a movie within themself....


How did her family not see this thru the years? This could not have just started....When she was little, they probably said she had an imagination...as she got bigger, they probably said she would grow out of it....And now this....

Cindy and George knew about her lies because George even told LE that Casey would carry her lies to the limit...

I just can not figure it....

[Barbara fl.]

Destroyed? Then why are they always on news shows giving commentary? Ruined would mean no one hired them or cared about them anymore.


But have you seen or can you mention any other "HIGH PROFILE" cases that they have handled since the ones they lost?

[AJandTam]

You are so right....Casey will never break....And i'm sure she does not miss Caylee...she might be wishing that she hid the body a little better (same as SP) but she is not sorry for what she did...

No mother could have carried out an act like this to their prescious child unless they hated this child all along...

Some people say that Casey always acted like a loving mother....Well I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand up from so called loving mothers that acted like that around people but were totally the opposite when alone with the child.....I do not buy that or the pictures....pictures are posed for.....

JMO

Double cheers for this post Barb. This message is the hardest for some to understand. You can know the nicest person in public but what goes on behind closed doors can be the worst nightmare for those that live w/them. These types can put on such an act that even thier victims don't know what to believe. These people can go from wonderful to wicked in less than a minute, then go back to wonderful again, just as quick.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have a few thoughts about the money for this defense. All well and good that the "experts" say they are working for free, if anyone wants to believe that BS, but still there are the expenses for the trial such as the cost of court transcripts, any CD's the State has prepared at the request of the defense ($950 for the tip CD) and other miscellaneous costs can run into the thousands. Who is footing this bill?

I know one of the local investigative reporters, Rozzi Franco is looking into these details.

[Kathlb]

I've read elsewhere from so-called experts (psychologists) that this is to lend credibility to her story, giving nanny a first, middle and last name.

A few people mentioned they're was never any plea to the Nanny or "kidnappers" to return Caylee. None!

Good Morning all, I hope everyone had a good Christmas.

The detail in her lies amazes me too. And the fact that no matter what they throw at her a lie comes quickly and expertly. (she does make mistakes however like her job and discussing it again after she admitted she lied)

What scares me is the fact that people like the Anthonys and Casey live among us, we see them every day, and don't know it. It sure gives you a somewhat jaded outlook on people when you think about it for a few minutes. Casey will go down big time, I'm sure of that. And that so-called Dream Team will go down with her...Henry Lee for the second time. And it's no more than any of them deserve. With all the talk out there even by the lawyers, I don't doubt that all three of the Anthonys will face charges too. They did obstruct justice and the fact that it's their granddaughter and daughter doesn't excuse them, in fact it makes it worse. They have shown no love nor respect for Caylee at all. Words come out of their mouths, but their actions tell it all. Caylee, while I wish she were alive and with someone who loved her, is in a far better place than she was in this life sad to say. :-( She will see justice however.

[Barbara fl.]

I just have a hard time believing she never loved her, I think in the early years she did, and I think the older she got, the prettier she got and the more attention she got, the more resentful Casey got. I just can't go with she never loved her.

But I have a harder time trying to figure a mother being able to do something like this even if she loved her for even one minute...

I just do not understand anyone being able to carry out something like this with any love in their heart at all...JMO

[SandyO]

What is your definition of "understand"?

If you can put away the belief that all people really & truly have a conscience, I think it is much easier to 'understand'. I actually think Casey is so blatantly psychopathic that it makes it easy to comprehend how she can so calmly lie, even in the face of LE who are confrontational with her about her lies. To me, she (so far) appears to be textbook for psychopathy. I actually think she will be a useful tool for professional people who will be studying or working with female psychopaths.

When I post that I think she is easy to understand, I DON'T mean I agree with her, I simply mean that I think the evidence is so sharp & convincing that it gives us a crystal clear picture of a person who has no conscience. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. And because she has none, she will not show guilt, remorse, empathy or any other emotion associated with having a conscience.

She fits the description as someone who "knows the words, but can't hear the music". (the music being a conscience).

JMO

Quoting your entire post because it is excellent and deserves a second reading. Casey expressed in her own words that she KNEW right from wrong when she stated something to the effect that, "If I'd wanted to get rid of Caylee I could have just given my mother custody" --- words to that effect ---- and she was so right. It wasn't necessary for Caylee to die, no matter how it happened.

[AJandTam]

ooops, I had trouble with the FOX link, too. I found it here. http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Luka basically said it is an ongoing investigation, no one knows where it will lead and Lee wants his civil rights protected, Lee has been conducting his own investigation looking into leads for other suspects.

Here is a link for the video interview with Luka http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151104&version=1&locale=EN-US

jmo

Thanks Des, You are the bestest, most appreciated.

His Civil rights protected? HUH? Did you get that one? What is he referring too exactly?? Looking into leads? If he looked into leads, then he must know. It's all a bogus story, is he slow or something... Come on ....

[spiritwolf46]

I agree with Sandy...Casey lies a whole story....her lies can make a movie within themself....


How did her family not see this thru the years? This could not have just started....When she was little, they probably said she had an imagination...as she got bigger, they probably said she would grow out of it....And now this....

Cindy and George knew about her lies because George even told LE that Casey would carry her lies to the limit...

I just can not figure it....

Personally, I think that it was easier for Cindy and George to allow Casey to lie than to be good parents and hold her responsible. From the letters that I have read, thank to all of you wonderful posters links, it seems that George was only good for losing jobs and Cindy was always working and neither one seemed to want to parent! It is always easier to enable and forget about it, than to actually hold the liar accountable, for that would take time for them to do that. ALL IMO, that is. :closedeyes:

[Regina.Lampert]

I just have a hard time believing she never loved her, I think in the early years she did, and I think the older she got, the prettier she got and the more attention she got, the more resentful Casey got. I just can't go with she never loved her.

Of course you can't Will, no normal human could understand. But, I doubt very much if she really ever loved Caylee. I think she loved the "idea" of Caylee and the attention she brought to her as a new mother. Once Caylee began receiving more attention then she, the downward spiral began and she saw Caylee as a burden.

True sociopaths, and I firmly believe this defendant is one, love no one but themselves.

[sofiesmom]

It sure does make you wonder.

Thought you'd be interested in this article. This journalist asked Why too
How could someone hurt Caylee?
(http://ydr.inyork.com/ci_11315376)I've been wondering the same thing. My brain/heart can only handle that it was an accident. But why would Casey be the way that she was? I think this is very complicated. We just don't even know.

I've been having very bad images in the mirror of my mind. I bet some of you have, too. Here's what I think we should all do: We should think of Caylee as she was in her precious life. She was a doll angel, and that's how I've decided to think of her...not as remains. Caylee is fine, now.

[Kathlb]

*respectful snip*

When I post that I think she is easy to understand, I DON'T mean I agree with her, I simply mean that I think the evidence is so sharp & convincing that it gives us a crystal clear picture of a person who has no conscience. None. Zip. Zero. Zilch. Nada. And because she has none, she will not show guilt, remorse, empathy or any other emotion associated with having a conscience.

She fits the description as someone who "knows the words, but can't hear the music". (the music being a conscience).

JMO

True Mimi... I read a long article on psychopaths when this case started and it was good reading. It explained how psychopaths mirror the people around them. They are actually empty and take on the personality of whoever they are trying to impress. It also said they have not one iota of conscience and termed them as having no "soul". In that case, it's easy for them to lie and feel nothing. All emotion is faked because it's "expected" of them. It also said a high number of them succeed in the business world because having no conscience, they don't have a problem getting to the top no matter what or who is in the way. They are unusually intelligent also. It was a good article but scary. If I find it again, I'll post the link.

[*MoonRider*]

She even dreams up middle names for all the cast....She usually gives a middle name to some of these people....seems so odd to me...

After watching Cindy's FBI interview I was amazed that Cindy remembered all the lies with great detail. I guess it runs in the family. JMO

[Barbara fl.]

Personally, I think that it was easier for Cindy and George to allow Casey to lie than to be good parents and hold her responsible. From the letters that I have read, thank to all of you wonderful posters links, it seems that George was only good for losing jobs and Cindy was always working and neither one seemed to want to parent! It is always easier to enable and forget about it, than to actually hold the liar accountable, for that would take time for them to do that. ALL IMO, that is. :closedeyes:


Your opinion is probably correct but not excusable. I had to work 2 jobs after my husband passed away...I had 2 children at home and depended on them to behave good under the circumstances...My son rebelled his father's death...but I noticed it immediately and took steps to correct the problem...I found the time....it wasn't easy but it had to be done....many a nights I wanted to pull my hair out...but I wouldn't let go....

Cindy might have been the bread winner and George stayed home...but that makes it all the more that the children did have someone at home and George being in LE should have noticed that something was wrong......But it's all too late for that now....poor Caylee had to suffer for all the mistakes...

[spiritwolf46]

She even dreams up middle names for all the cast....She usually gives a middle name to some of these people....seems so odd to me...

That is funny that you should bring this up. My husband and I were JUST talking about the very same things when watching NG last night and hearing the tapes of Casey all over again.

[MalloryCat]

After watching Cindy's FBI interview I was amazed that Cindy remembered all the lies with great detail. I guess it runs in the family. JMO

So you are saying if your grandaughter was missing and you were told she was kidnapped, you would not remember every detail told to you about the frantic situation?

[Mimi428]

Personally, I think that it was easier for Cindy and George to allow Casey to lie than to be good parents and hold her responsible. From the letters that I have read, thank to all of you wonderful posters links, it seems that George was only good for losing jobs and Cindy was always working and neither one seemed to want to parent! It is always easier to enable and forget about it, than to actually hold the liar accountable, for that would take time for them to do that. ALL IMO, that is. :closedeyes:

I'm not going to defend the failures of her parents, but I do believe (& we may never have the concrete ability to prove it) that Casey is one of those people who were born without a conscience. Some of the reading I was doing yesterday was about the studies that have been conducted that try to determine the genetic factors & the brain anomalies that exist in psychopaths. The studies done with identical twins are really fascinating in that respect, IMO.

There are so many people in the world who have been spoiled beyond measure, indulged & petted & had every excuse made for them by their parents & they DO NOT KILL anyone. They may act entitled & be self-centered, but at least in some situations (may not be many, but a few at least) they do have the capacity to feel empathy.

JMO

[Barbara fl.]

I'm not going to defend the failures of her parents, but I do believe (& we may never have the concrete ability to prove it) that Casey is one of those people who were born without a conscience. Some of the reading I was doing yesterday was about the studies that have been conducted that try to determine the genetic factors & the brain anomalies that exist in psychopaths. The studies done with identical twins are really fascinating in that respect, IMO.

There are so many people in the world who have been spoiled beyond measure, indulged & petted & had every excuse made for them by their parents & they DO NOT KILL anyone. They may act entitled & be self-centered, but at least in some situations (may not be many, but a few at least) they do have the capacity to feel empathy.

JMO


And your opinion is correct....In some cases it is called "attachment disorder", for some unknown reason (or there might be one that hasn't been diognosed yet) they do not bond to anyone.

[AJandTam]

After watching Cindy's FBI interview I was amazed that Cindy remembered all the lies with great detail. I guess it runs in the family. JMO

This is what aggrivates me Moon. This doesn't appear in my eyes as two people who didn't parent properly. You can't teach someone that something is wrong, unless you believe it is wrong yourself.

[marshmallow]

That is funny that you should bring this up. My husband and I were JUST talking about the very same things when watching NG last night and hearing the tapes of Casey all over again.


thanks to Mother Nature I was lying in bed last night all hopped up on numbing pills and too drooly to do much so I watched/listened to Casey's interviews on NG. I'd never put that much effort into them before, very telling. Even when she was caught outright in a lie her attitude was "so what, here's another lie". She really seemed unable to feel anything. She was cold, snappy, and unable to understand the frantic need everyone had to find her child. The detectives showed more anger/fear/frustration than she did. It's like her emotional responses never made it past her surface. She seemed to have no idea what feelings are. She just didn't seem to understand anything emotional.

[marshmallow]

So you are saying if your grandaughter was missing and you were told she was kidnapped, you would not remember every detail told to you about the frantic situation?



I wouldn't.

I'd like to point out that we've never seen/heard proof that the stories Cindy told came from Casey. We do not know if Cindy made those up, or at least the many minute details..

[Barbara fl.]

After watching Cindy's FBI interview I was amazed that Cindy remembered all the lies with great detail. I guess it runs in the family. JMO


I agree, at a time like that you wouldn't remember your own name...you would be too frantic....

It seems like the stories were all staged...first Casey's and then Cindy followed suit....

[spiritwolf46]

There are so many people in the world who have been spoiled beyond measure, indulged & petted & had every excuse made for them by their parents & they DO NOT KILL anyone. They may act entitled & be self-centered, but at least in some situations (may not be many, but a few at least) they do have the capacity to feel empathy.

JMO


I highlighted this in red and snipped for space.

I know what you are saying, I truly do, but let's not forget that though SOME do not kill, OTHERS DO.

I have never really thought about a sociopath or psychopath until this case and from what I have read, it is extreme, yes! But, I also see some of the same mannerisms in her parents. Mainly, Cindy. So again, JMO, but I truly think that Casey was enabled her whole life and allowed to lie, steal and become the monster that she is.

[Barbara fl.]

Do you not recall how vilified these lawyers were by the general public and in the media during these cases? With all of those lawyers, everyone was asking how they could even consider taking snakes for clients! Reputations like that don't make for very successful lawyers. Maybe that's the reason why they always go on commentary shows or end up writing books. They need the money!


Thank you, you took the proper words right out of my mouth....:thumbup:

[SandyO]

I'm not going to defend the failures of her parents, but I do believe (& we may never have the concrete ability to prove it) that Casey is one of those people who were born without a conscience. Some of the reading I was doing yesterday was about the studies that have been conducted that try to determine the genetic factors & the brain anomalies that exist in psychopaths. The studies done with identical twins are really fascinating in that respect, IMO.

There are so many people in the world who have been spoiled beyond measure, indulged & petted & had every excuse made for them by their parents & they DO NOT KILL anyone. They may act entitled & be self-centered, but at least in some situations (may not be many, but a few at least) they do have the capacity to feel empathy.

JMO

I'm going with your theory, Mimi. It makes this whole mess much easier to live with. One question, however: If we believe Casey is just a twisted, "sick" personality, undiagnosed all her life, how responsible is she for what ultimately happened? Could she have stopped herself?

[Barbara fl.]

thanks to Mother Nature I was lying in bed last night all hopped up on numbing pills and too drooly to do much so I watched/listened to Casey's interviews on NG. I'd never put that much effort into them before, very telling. Even when she was caught outright in a lie her attitude was "so what, here's another lie". She really seemed unable to feel anything. She was cold, snappy, and unable to understand the frantic need everyone had to find her child. The detectives showed more anger/fear/frustration than she did. It's like her emotional responses never made it past her surface. She seemed to have no idea what feelings are. She just didn't seem to understand anything emotional.


Yes...it was like she was telling a fictional story and wondering why she wasn't believed.....It was as though the story made complete sense to her.....wierd to say the least.....

[marshmallow]

I'm going with your theory, Mimi. It makes this whole mess much easier to live with. One question, however: If we believe Casey is just a twisted, "sick" personality, undiagnosed all her life, how responsible is she for what ultimately happened? Could she have stopped herself?

yes, she comprehends and can discern right from wrong.

[spiritwolf46]

thanks to Mother Nature I was lying in bed last night all hopped up on numbing pills and too drooly to do much so I watched/listened to Casey's interviews on NG. I'd never put that much effort into them before, very telling. Even when she was caught outright in a lie her attitude was "so what, here's another lie". She really seemed unable to feel anything. She was cold, snappy, and unable to understand the frantic need everyone had to find her child. The detectives showed more anger/fear/frustration than she did. It's like her emotional responses never made it past her surface. She seemed to have no idea what feelings are. She just didn't seem to understand anything emotional.

ITA! The more that I listened to them AGAIN, the more came back to me from a while ago when these were first aired and all the memories of all the lies upon lies came flooding back. I just wanted to fly my arse down to Fla. and BEG for five minute with that SNOT! LOL DH was like, "Gee Hun, not like you didn't know about these before, CALM DOWN!" LOL It just infuriated me all over again and we did talk about how she would give someone's full name, including their middle name. How ellaborate she would get with her story. Grrrr......

[jammies]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

I have a relative by marriage who makes up entire stories. It's just amazing to listen to him go on and on about his adventures. He's done everything, been everywhere, knows everyone. Odd that he's only 26 and has never been out of his little home town to accomplish all this.
I finally came to the conclusion that because he spends every spare moment playing computer games that he lives in virtual reality.

He's so into the games, he pretends it's real. Like Casey, he has everything down to the last detail. It's crazy listening to people like them. It's more than being a bs'er. It's all part of making themselves look "big" in the eyes of others. Bizarre behavior that DOES render everyone around them speechless.

I can't imagine that Casey just started this behavior. She's too polished at lying and story telling. Like my relative, she lives in a virtual reality and expects everyone around her to go right along with her. Which, apparently they did until she murdered her baby.

[JHP]

I highlighted this in red and snipped for space.

I know what you are saying, I truly do, but let's not forget that though SOME do not kill, OTHERS DO.

I have never really thought about a sociopath or psychopath until this case and from what I have read, it is extreme, yes! But, I also see some of the same mannerisms in her parents. Mainly, Cindy. So again, JMO, but I truly think that Casey was enabled her whole life and allowed to lie, steal and become the monster that she is.

I think that the bad combination is Casey is a socio/psycho path and Cindy is very narssisistic. It is all about appearances for her.
Cindy needed to get Casey help but would have had to admit Casey wasn't perfect.
JMO

[AJandTam]

yes, she comprehends and can discern right from wrong.

She knew enough to have a meltdown when Caylee was found. She knew enough to be afraid for her own sorry behind. JMO

[spiritwolf46]

I'm going with your theory, Mimi. It makes this whole mess much easier to live with. One question, however: If we believe Casey is just a twisted, "sick" personality, undiagnosed all her life, how responsible is she for what ultimately happened? Could she have stopped herself?

These are very good questions and what do you want to bet that the Anthony's will be thrown under the bus by Casey and this will be part of the Defense?

I would love to see a psychological Eval on the Anthony's as well. Might answer a lot of people's questions, including my very own.

[Regina.Lampert]

This is what aggrivates me Moon. This doesn't appear in my eyes as two people who didn't parent properly. You can't teach someone that something is wrong, unless you believe it is wrong yourself.

I agree Tam, cynthia and george both have pathologies going on and I think the odious creature played them against each other for her own benefit. I feel so sorry that Caylee was brought into this house of horrors.

[SandyO]

ITA! The more that I listened to them AGAIN, the more came back to me from a while ago when these were first aired and all the memories of all the lies upon lies came flooding back. I just wanted to fly my arse down to Fla. and BEG for five minute with that SNOT! LOL DH was like, "Gee Hun, not like you didn't know about these before, CALM DOWN!" LOL It just infuriated me all over again and we did talk about how she would give someone's full name, including their middle name. How ellaborate she would get with her story. Grrrr......

Just imagine the time and energy it must have taken to create that whole lie, with all the details!

[spiritwolf46]

I think that the bad combination is Casey is a socio/psycho path and Cindy is very narssisistic. It is all about appearances for her.
Cindy needed to get Casey help but would have had to admit Casey wasn't perfect.
JMO


Yep! Yep! Yep!

[Regina.Lampert]

casey anthony not comprehending right from wrong?? What an absurd idea. Just listen to her taped voice telling the Detectives she will never forgive herself for Caylee's disappearance.

This conviction will be obtained because I believe there is ample forensic results to get one, but I love that the State also has this babykiller's own words to assist in that conviction. :thumbup:

[TealMermaid]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

Yes, I was BLOWN AWAY by all the DETAILS about the make-believe nanny! Where her mom lives, where she worked in the past, Casey even said they had a mutual friend. She had to know the police were going to check this out and it would blow up in her face!

Could Casey have multiple personality disorder? Could she have been Zenaida? It's all so bizarre!!!:confused:

[Mimi428]

I'm going with your theory, Mimi. It makes this whole mess much easier to live with. One question, however: If we believe Casey is just a twisted, "sick" personality, undiagnosed all her life, how responsible is she for what ultimately happened? Could she have stopped herself?

I think she could have stopped herself. I believe she has the capacity to consider different options & choose which option to take. The problem is, once she decided that Caylee was going to always get in the way of what she (Casey) wanted, she didn't care whether the solution was death. Didn't bother her a bit.

I am hoping that we will find out later just how far Casey would have gone to get what she wanted, because I think she was also contemplating getting rid of her parents. I honestly think that if she had gotten to the point of having absolutely no money & no one to steal from, she would have proceeded with figuring out how to get her hands on her parents' house & any assets she thought they might have.

I think she probably didn't make any moves towards her parents' demise because that wasn't what she consistently wanted, every day. Once she got rid of Caylee - she had a spell of time where she was doing what she wanted - partying, etc. If she had been impeded further - let's say she was still in her parents' home & they physically were keeping her from going out when she wanted - I think she would have had no compunction in trying (or succeeding) in getting rid of them.

JMO (& I sure hope somebody, somewhere, writes a really good, definitive book about her specific psychopathy)

[jammies]

Yes, I was BLOWN AWAY by all the DETAILS about the make-believe nanny! Where her mom lives, where she worked in the past, Casey even said they had a mutual friend. She had to know the police were going to check this out and it would blow up in her face!

Could Casey have multiple personality disorder? Could she have been Zenaida? It's all so bizarre!!!:confused:


I think she's just so used to lying and no one checking her, that she assumed LE would believe her. Her parents LET her lie rather than confronting the behavior. Look at Cindy repeating the outrageous stories from Casey to LE. It's uncomfortable to watch Cindy make such and idiot out of herself. This is the way they dealt with Casey...by NOT DEALING with her. Crazy.

[TealMermaid]

It was posted on yesterday's board that Casey said LEE WANTED to have sex with her? Who did she tell this to? When was this, or was it ongoing?

The family is so dysfunctional nothing would surprise me!

[MalloryCat]

thanks to Mother Nature I was lying in bed last night all hopped up on numbing pills and too drooly to do much so I watched/listened to Casey's interviews on NG. I'd never put that much effort into them before, very telling. Even when she was caught outright in a lie her attitude was "so what, here's another lie". She really seemed unable to feel anything. She was cold, snappy, and unable to understand the frantic need everyone had to find her child. The detectives showed more anger/fear/frustration than she did. It's like her emotional responses never made it past her surface. She seemed to have no idea what feelings are. She just didn't seem to understand anything emotional.

Hey, get better, I am suffering from wisdom teeth pain for some unfathomable reason and would give a rib for something to get through this!

How about when the detective is saying to Casey, your daughter is out there, probably does not look the way she used to, and Casey was so calm, never got frantic at that vision, I would have been freaking out and screaming at detectives that she was kidnapped, not rotting, but we all know shes responsible in some way.

jmo

[AJandTam]

I agree Tam, cynthia and george both have pathologies going on and I think the odious creature played them against each other for her own benefit. I feel so sorry that Caylee was brought into this house of horrors.

Exactly, Casey is the top dog here. The one who killed her child. In some cases, parents just made the wrong choices or something went wrong w/the child that parents couldn't have done anything about. A chemical imbalance or something. In this case, there is something wrong w/this picture. I honest to god believe these others played a role in how we got to this point. Now we have to figure out what role and what we can do about that role. It isn't justice unless people all pay for thier part in this. We might not be able to prosecute them, maybe all we can do is let the world know who and what they really are about. JMO

[Neffy]

They Anthony's and Baez refuse to acknowledge that Casey is not a well person. She's a pathological liar.

But they keep putting her story of events out there no matter how much she changes them to fit and the reasons she changes them is because what she stated the first time is uncovered and found to be a total lie.

Cell phone black jack. Obtained from Universal, reported to universal it was missing, although universal company phone she used private sim card, same number as her personal phone. CAUGHT LYING - OK still have phone, bought it from an At&t store, can't remember where store is at, still using sim card, same phone number as other phone but things saved directly to phone not sim card. All Nanny communications are on this missing phone, calls text messages. WHAT THE HECK??

Dropped off with Nanny at sawgrass, nope Nanny stole her from Blanchard Park.

I don't care about the Anthony's, her brother or anyone else. Why is BAEZ feeding her the I believe you story. It's insane. Same with Lee, Kinney-Baden, Spitz have they not heard her stories????

[PuffDragon]

Just being the Devil's Advocate here, but isn't it just a tiny bit possible that the Anthonys are behind closed doors actually grieving for their grandbaby? Taking it this way: all along it was pretty obvious to everybody that Caylee was gone and it irritated and angered us that George and Cindy were blindly making a$$es of themselves hanging on to a spider web to let them believe that there was still hope they would see that baby alive at the end of everything. Even when the remains were found they still hung on. We all knew. They didn't want to let go. Now that the evidence is in, and there is no doubt, there is finally no sign of the Anthonys. A few statements issued from their lawyer's office is nowhere near the same as the spectacle they've made of themselves up to now.

This kind of leads me to think that maybe they really did believe in their hearts there still was a chance, even when their heads said there was none, and now that they have to face reality they have finally let themself start to grieve??? To follow this line of thought, if they really did believe, then they really didn't know anything - no matter that they may have suspected -before Cindy made those calls and the poops started flying.

[Neffy]

Just being the Devil's Advocate here, but isn't it just a tiny bit possible that the Anthonys are behind closed doors actually grieving for their grandbaby? Taking it this way: all along it was pretty obvious to everybody that Caylee was gone and it irritated and angered us that George and Cindy were blindly making a$$es of themselves hanging on to a spider web to let them believe that there was still hope they would see that baby alive at the end of everything. Even when the remains were found they still hung on. We all knew. They didn't want to let go. Now that the evidence is in, and there is no doubt, there is finally no sign of the Anthonys. A few statements issued from their lawyer's office is nowhere near the same as the spectacle they've made of themselves up to now.

This kind of leads me to think that maybe they really did believe in their hearts there still was a chance, even when their heads said there was none, and now that they have to face reality they have finally let themself start to grieve??? To follow this line of thought, if they really did believe, then they really didn't know anything - no matter that they may have suspected -before Cindy made those calls and the poops started flying.

I can go as far as the Anthony's saying and thinking "this can't be happening" having it all be surreal. But those stories from Casey OMG! I'm sorry but total outright lies without skipping a beat.

I"m even more disgusted with these experts who are going along with this charade.

[*MoonRider*]

Revisiting Lee

http://www.wftv.com/video/17441792/index.html

Thanks for the memories. This was 5 days after Casey was released from jail for the second time.

[spiritwolf46]

Exactly, Casey is the top dog here. The one who killed her child. In some cases, parents just made the wrong choices or something went wrong w/the child that parents couldn't have done anything about. A chemical imbalance or something. In this case, there is something wrong w/this picture. I honest to god believe these others played a role in how we got to this point. Now we have to figure out what role and what we can do about that role. It isn't justice unless people all pay for thier part in this. We might not be able to prosecute them, maybe all we can do is let the world know who and what they really are about. JMO

I SO agree with this. As I said upthread, I hope that every single one of them are looked at by a professional. I think they all need it for many reasons. As one poster, of the many intelligent posters on here, said, it is most likely a combination of issues with each one of them that made this a deadly force.

Please do not think though, that I place ALL the blame on the parents, because that is far from what I have meant. I think that they had a large part in the enabling of Casey allowing (definitive word) her to become a monster. Not sure that they necessarily created the monster itself. Hope that makes sense.


Regardless, there is only one victim here and only one dead child and that is Caylee. I pray that this little one never suffered. I pray that she went quietly in a sleep (tranquilized or whatever) and never knew what her own mother was doing to her. I pray that ALL involved in this horrible mess are brought up on charges that they deserve. If they are not guilty, then so be it, but if they are even in the slightest bit, I hope they have to serve punishment for their part in all of this.

[spiritwolf46]

Thanks for the memories. This was 5 days after Casey was released from jail for the second time.

I enjoyed watching that sign get the better of him SEVERAL times! LOL I love that video. Goes to show ya the entitlement of this family.

[Regina.Lampert]

Revisiting Lee

http://www.wftv.com/video/17441792/index.html


LOL, my favorite video of lee (I fought the sign and the sign won) anthony. What a fool he made of himself that day!


:lol:

[PuffDragon]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

She is flat, I agree, in that her inflection doesn't change much from one subject to another, but what I hear is that she is trying to convince her listener. She's being reasonable, as opposed to emotional. She isn't wailing "I will never forgive myself", she is telling that she will never forgive herself. She knows it's what she's supposed to say, but because she doesn't actually feel the guilt that should be behind the words she doesn't know how to emote it properly so she declares it as a statement.

I imagine that if she ever said "I love you" to someone in a tender moment, it probably sounded exactly the same as any of her other statements. In fact, exactly the way she said it to Christine in that first phone call from the jail.

[TealMermaid]

Can someone post a link for the video of Lee Anthony's lawyer's statement? Thanks:wink::wink:

[spiritwolf46]

LOL, my favorite video of lee (I fought the sign and the sign won) anthony. What a fool he made of himself that day!


:lol:

LMAO! And there was Kathi Belich right there stating that he had NO right to do that! I love her!!!!

[Regina.Lampert]

(Snipped per CW)

I am hoping that we will find out later just how far Casey would have gone to get what she wanted, because I think she was also contemplating getting rid of her parents. I honestly think that if she had gotten to the point of having absolutely no money & no one to steal from, she would have proceeded with figuring out how to get her hands on her parents' house & any assets she thought they might have.



ITA with you Mimi. Having killed Caylee she would have no problem at all killing cynthia and george, if it were beneficial to her, imo.

[kitty1182]

ITA with you Mimi. Having killed Caylee she would have no problem at all killing cynthia and george, if it were beneficial to her, imo.



I'm hoping she isn't pregnant...

[PuffDragon]

You are so right....Casey will never break....And i'm sure she does not miss Caylee...she might be wishing that she hid the body a little better (same as SP) but she is not sorry for what she did...

No mother could have carried out an act like this to their prescious child unless they hated this child all along...

<snipped for relevance>

JMO

I don't think Casey hated Caylee. Someone who doesn't have empathy, who doesn't feel guilt, or shame, or love, also doesn't feel hate. She probably knows the feelings of anger and frustration, she tries to go through the motions of the other emotions, but I'd bet on it that she doesn't actually know what H-A-T-E feels like, any more than L-O-V-E.

[StillEG]

I think she could have stopped herself. I believe she has the capacity to consider different options & choose which option to take. The problem is, once she decided that Caylee was going to always get in the way of what she (Casey) wanted, she didn't care whether the solution was death. Didn't bother her a bit.

(snipped)

I definitely believe she intended to kill C&A. She had already told Amy that her parents had given her the house and had invited Amy to live with her there.

CRAZY!

[Regina.Lampert]

LMAO! And there was Kathi Belich right there stating that he had NO right to do that! I love her!!!!

LOL, thanks Wolfie!! I thought that was Kathi but the camera went so fast. She sure has been great at delivering the best lines to these despicable people. :seeya:

[StillEG]

I'm hoping she isn't pregnant...

No way she's pregnant IMO. This case has been front and center for five months. We'd know by now.


BTW: Merry Christmas Sweet Kitty! Hope you and yours had a fantastic day.

[PuffDragon]

<snipped for relevance<

She fits the description as someone who "knows the words, but can't hear the music". (the music being a conscience).



Perfectly analogy!!!

[spiritwolf46]

I don't think Casey hated Caylee. Someone who doesn't have empathy, who doesn't feel guilt, or shame, or love, also doesn't feel hate. She probably knows the feelings of anger and frustration, she tries to go through the motions of the other emotions, but I'd bet on it that she doesn't actually know what H-A-T-E feels like, any more than L-O-V-E.

That is a pretty good statement and one that makes ya sit back and ponder. You are right. Why would she feel hate?

I always refer to this: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

It is such a good reference on sociopath and psychopath.

[Regina.Lampert]

I'm hoping she isn't pregnant...

:eek: Have you heard something Sis? I thought we all determined she wasn't......

[kitty1182]

No way she's pregnant IMO. This case has been front and center for five months. We'd know by now.


BTW: Merry Christmas Sweet Kitty! Hope you and yours had a fantastic day.



Had a wonderful Christmas, hope you did too..:smile:


The last pic I saw of her while going to Baez's office wearing that white shirt, to me her tummy looked a little bloated..
Course it's probally really bloated now, from all those poptarts.:biggrin:

[spiritwolf46]

LOL, thanks Wolfie!! I thought that was Kathi but the camera went so fast. She sure has been great at delivering the best lines to these despicable people. :seeya:


She sure has! Love it! I aslo loved the little guy who was in Lee's face and went and got that lady's sign back. He was not afraid one bit! :)

[PuffDragon]

I have a few thoughts about the money for this defense. All well and good that the "experts" say they are working for free, if anyone wants to believe that BS, but still there are the expenses for the trial such as the cost of court transcripts, any CD's the State has prepared at the request of the defense ($950 for the tip CD) and other miscellaneous costs can run into the thousands. Who is footing this bill?

I know one of the local investigative reporters, Rozzi Franco is looking into these details.

I agree, and I seriously hope that Rozzi Franco finds them. Specifically because it's such a big secret.

[kitty1182]

:eek: Have you heard something Sis? I thought we all determined she wasn't......

LOL, no...It just wouldn't surprise me if she were:mad:

[TealMermaid]

I wonder the same thing............... When I look at her facial expressions that clearly do not match the moment , most telling is her walking with the target hooded shirt with hand cuffs that weird far away look , a look of smirking , it is not fitting , yet we see some looks that are ,such as when Baez gives his speech with Casey by his side in the grand jury endictment , she is then crying , WHY would she have had that weird smirk when being accused and then cry later ....these personality disorders are REAL and CASEY is the perfect example , just look at what her friends all said ,she was constantly changing to whatever situation called for , I do believe she has mutiple personalitys , its the ONE THING that sums up the whole picture .

Maybe one of Caseys alters did work at universal , and as she was walking with detectives at universal ,she snapped and said , no I don't work here , why did I take you here........I don't know she says .


Casey is ILL , its obvious.
I wonder if her Zenaida personality killed Caylee?

You know multiple personality is often created by unbearable trauma-often incest/sexual abuse.

I know some people think it's far fetched, but why couldn't there be incest in the Anthony home? I have several female friends who are incest survivors. One was molested by her older brother. She always suspected that her mother knew, and as an adult confronted her. Her mother said,"I knew, but what could I do? I couldn't tell anybody. What would the neighbors have said about ME?":cursing: I could see Cindy wanting to pretend everything's fine, while that's going on. Want to PRETEND we're the perfect family.

Who knows? I'm just throwing theories out there.

[kitty1182]

She sure has! Love it! I aslo loved the little guy who was in Lee's face and went and got that lady's sign back. He was not afraid one bit! :)



I liked him too..Bless his heart:smile:

[spiritwolf46]

I liked him too..Bless his heart:smile:


I just wanted to give his little striped shirt a BIG ole HUG! :w00t:

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL, no...It just wouldn't surprise me if she were:mad:

Why of course you're right. Remember, she was pregnant the first time "without having sex" according to cynthia......... :cool:

[Regina.Lampert]

I just wanted to give his little striped shirt a BIG ole HUG! :w00t:

LOL....did ya hear the onlookers give him a hand when he brought the sign back and went to retreive the stand?


:thumbsup:

[TealMermaid]

Info on multiple personality disorder
http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/did.html

[*MoonRider*]

Revisit George Caylee has been moved 9 times.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks

[Mimi428]

She is flat, I agree, in that her inflection doesn't change much from one subject to another, but what I hear is that she is trying to convince her listener. She's being reasonable, as opposed to emotional. She isn't wailing "I will never forgive myself", she is telling that she will never forgive herself. She knows it's what she's supposed to say, but because she doesn't actually feel the guilt that should be behind the words she doesn't know how to emote it properly so she declares it as a statement.

I imagine that if she ever said "I love you" to someone in a tender moment, it probably sounded exactly the same as any of her other statements. In fact, exactly the way she said it to Christine in that first phone call from the jail.

Yep, yep, yep. She knows the words...

You bring up a good example when you mention her tone of voice to Christine on the phone - she employs a patient stance for just a moment, she's knows it is placating to say "I love you", but she has no emotional quality & she segues right into "now GIVE ME WHAT I WANT, TonE's phone number".

Upthread, in the discussion of knowing 'right from wrong'. I think Casey certainly knows what is legal vs. illegal. However, when it comes to the idea of 'right vs wrong' - she does not care.

If you see her doing something which may appear "right" - you have to keep in mind that her motivation for doing it isn't because she believes some version of "virtue is it's own reward". She is doing it because she is getting a BENEFIT from doing it. Praise, recognition, money, things, attention & so on.

In MY world, rats are vermin & it is not wrong for them to be killed. If I go & visit the Hindu Karni Mata Temple, I may still believe that rats are vermin & it is not wrong for them to be killed, but because I have empathy & respect for the beliefs & feelings of others, I can appreciate that to them, it IS wrong to kill rats & it would cause them great distress if I (or someone else) starting killing their rats.

In Casey's world, does not matter one whit what anyone else believes. It only matters to her what she believes, what she wants.

JMO

[spiritwolf46]

Why of course you're right. Remember, she was pregnant the first time "without having sex" according to cynthia......... :cool:


That is right! The whole family is bizarre!

Would not surprise me if we hear next that there was a burnt part of Cindy's toast in the shape of the Virgin Mary that spoke to her telling her that it was immaculate conception!

[SandyO]

LOL, no...It just wouldn't surprise me if she were:mad:

Isn't it kind of surprising that we haven't heard one word from the jail guards who see Casey every day? They have lives outside their jobs --- they speak with their neighbors and friends --- they probably go out for a few drinks together at local establishments after work ---- and yet, not a peep! Guess they are well cautioned not to speak of this, or we would have at least heard a rumor or two.

[spiritwolf46]

LOL....did ya hear the onlookers give him a hand when he brought the sign back and went to retreive the stand?


:thumbsup:

LOL! I DID! Then I caught myself doing the same thing! :blushing:

[AJandTam]

I SO agree with this. As I said upthread, I hope that every single one of them are looked at by a professional. I think they all need it for many reasons. As one poster, of the many intelligent posters on here, said, it is most likely a combination of issues with each one of them that made this a deadly force.

Please do not think though, that I place ALL the blame on the parents, because that is far from what I have meant. I think that they had a large part in the enabling of Casey allowing (definitive word) her to become a monster. Not sure that they necessarily created the monster itself. Hope that makes sense.


Regardless, there is only one victim here and only one dead child and that is Caylee. I pray that this little one never suffered. I pray that she went quietly in a sleep (tranquilized or whatever) and never knew what her own mother was doing to her. I pray that ALL involved in this horrible mess are brought up on charges that they deserve. If they are not guilty, then so be it, but if they are even in the slightest bit, I hope they have to serve punishment for their part in all of this.

Morning Spirit,

I really don't know if playing the blame game is quiet what I am trying to say or to accomplish.. What I want most is for the whole story to be told. What I think is that we are missing a big chunk of information in this story and w/out it, we can't put all of the pieces together. There is to much of an indication of personal dysfunction in each of the cast of charactors to ignore. I don't think this is a story of the bad seed who just didn't get the help she needed. I think this is a story of how families dysfunction exploded into a violent end that cost a little baby her life.

[openminded]

thanks to Mother Nature I was lying in bed last night all hopped up on numbing pills and too drooly to do much so I watched/listened to Casey's interviews on NG. I'd never put that much effort into them before, very telling. Even when she was caught outright in a lie her attitude was "so what, here's another lie". She really seemed unable to feel anything. She was cold, snappy, and unable to understand the frantic need everyone had to find her child. The detectives showed more anger/fear/frustration than she did. It's like her emotional responses never made it past her surface. She seemed to have no idea what feelings are. She just didn't seem to understand anything emotional.

I watched that as well (having before just seen bits and pieces of it) and what I immediately thought was if three seasoned detectives could not shake her story then no one ever will.

I don't know what might be medically wrong with Casey (if anything is) but, IMO, she absolutely has no soul and there's not much you can do with people like that.

[TealMermaid]

That is right! The whole family is bizarre!

Would not surprise me if we hear next that there was a burnt part of Cindy's toast in the shape of the Virgin Mary that spoke to her telling her that it was immaculate conception!

Did Cindy really say Casey got pregnant without having sex? OMG!:ohmy:

I remember Casey denied being pregnant and hid it for as long as possible.

[kitty1182]

I just wanted to give his little striped shirt a BIG ole HUG! :w00t:


Yeah, he seemed like such a sweet little man..:wub:

[spiritwolf46]

Morning Spirit,

I really don't know if playing the blame game is quiet what I am trying to say or to accomplish.. What I want most is for the whole story to be told. What I think is that we are missing a big chunk of information in this story and w/out it, we can't put all of the pieces together. There is to much of an indication of personal dysfunction in each of the cast of charactors to ignore. I don't think this is a story of the bad seed who just didn't get the help she needed. I think this is a story of how families dysfunction exploded into a violent end that cost a little baby her life.

Well put! ITA! Thank you!

[Xina_Marie]

Would not surprise me if we hear next that there was a burnt part of Cindy's toast in the shape of the Virgin Mary that spoke to her telling her that it was immaculate conception!

Just a point of clarification...the immaculate conception is Mary's conception not Jesus' conception. But the point remains the same, a virgin birth from Casey of all people is chimerical.

[spiritwolf46]

Did Cindy really say Casey got pregnant without having sex? OMG!:ohmy:

I remember Casey denied being pregnant and hid it for as long as possible.


Cindy was denying that Casey was pregnant when she was asked and then made the statement of "You have to have sex to get pregnant!" So, she thought that her wonderful little girl was still a virgin when she was, in fact, pregnant. :wink:

[Mimi428]

Did Cindy really say Casey got pregnant without having sex? OMG!:ohmy:

I remember Casey denied being pregnant and hid it for as long as possible.

She said that Casey COULDN'T be pregnant because she had never had sex. (this, while Casey's big ol' pregnant belly was obvious to everyone who saw her)

[spiritwolf46]

Just a point of clarification...the immaculate conception is Mary's conception not Jesus' conception. But the point remains the same, a virgin birth from Casey of all people is chimerical.


It was just something that I thought would possibly come out of this families mouths, only because I truly feel they are that bizarre. ;)

[PuffDragon]

That is a pretty good statement and one that makes ya sit back and ponder. You are right. Why would she feel hate?

I always refer to this: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

It is such a good reference on sociopath and psychopath.

I really really really hate trying to read white on black, but that was worth working through. It should have Casey's picture next to it!

[AJandTam]

Well put! ITA! Thank you!

Thank you. I just can't let this one go. You know what I mean.

[Rayosunshine]

Just imagine the time and energy it must have taken to create that whole lie, with all the details!

Exactly, and they all came up with the same wrong date, June 9th.

Casey offered that as the last day she saw Caylee. This was during the LE interview at Universal. Interesting that her parents weren't present for that interview, but they also came up with that date. And, those tapes weren't released until way later.

[spiritwolf46]

I really really really hate trying to read white on black, but that was worth working through. It should have Casey's picture next to it!


Shouldn't it have, though? You are SO right!

[spiritwolf46]

Thank you. I just can't let this one go. You know what I mean.

I sure do know what you mean.

[rj1212]

I wonder the same thing............... When I look at her facial expressions that clearly do not match the moment , most telling is her walking with the target hooded shirt with hand cuffs that weird far away look , a look of smirking , it is not fitting , yet we see some looks that are ,such as when Baez gives his speech with Casey by his side in the grand jury endictment , she is then crying , WHY would she have had that weird smirk when being accused and then cry later ....these personality disorders are REAL and CASEY is the perfect example , just look at what her friends all said ,she was constantly changing to whatever situation called for , I do believe she has mutiple personalitys , its the ONE THING that sums up the whole picture .

Maybe one of Caseys alters did work at universal , and as she was walking with detectives at universal ,she snapped and said , no I don't work here , why did I take you here........I don't know she says .


Casey is ILL , its obvious.

Baez denied Casey was "ill" and so did Cindy early on...
She might be ill after all, but so are many murderers on death row...or those with LWOP...

She knows exactly when to lie when it benefits her and her alone. She knows right from wrong, she just doesn't care...that's her illness imo.

[farrahrani]

Yes, I was BLOWN AWAY by all the DETAILS about the make-believe nanny! Where her mom lives, where she worked in the past, Casey even said they had a mutual friend. She had to know the police were going to check this out and it would blow up in her face!

Could Casey have multiple personality disorder? Could she have been Zenaida? It's all so bizarre!!!:confused:


Someone on a blog posted a theory, that Zanny was the epitome of everything Casey wanted to be. Not a ''split personality'' but more like an alter ego. Rich enough to watch kids for the ''fun of it'', had a good life, family, money, cars, could afford to buy a carseat and separate wardrobe for Caylee, etc. Popular, kind, loves kids. Bought Caseys' hair straightener for her.

Good theory...she even has siblings that match a friend of Casey's, (I forgot the name, somoene on a face book, or myspace, regina or vanessa or something that went to the same high school as Casey) same siblings, similar physical description...kind of creepy actually. So Casey IMO, is merging her own fantasies and throwing in bits and pieces of real life into it.

Not saying she's insane, but that she has a rich fantasy life.

[Jessspb]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but after Lee cleaned Casey's computer, couldn't LE retrieve the info even after everything was deleted? I thought everything on a hard drive can be retrieved by experts even after being deleted. Do they have the info that Lee cleaned off her computer? I'm hoping they do. That surely would be evidence against her or her character. I saw some posts stating that Lee could be charged for obstructing justice due to cleaning her computer. I'm hoping that LE knows exactly what he deleted. Thanks for your reply.

[Remy]

the dream team is one of the reasons I think Casey will never break down and spill. Can you imagine how well fed her ego is? all the press, people giving her pork rind and juice box money, anon. donors buying her the best of the best in defensive experts.... her face is on tv, people talk about her.... I'm betting Miss Casey is feeling pretty important right now and my bet is Baez is feeding her ego to keep it that way.

Way behind as usual but ITA. Can someone answer this: If Casey is convicted and cannot sell her story to pay for the dream team, can her parents?

I do not believe that her "dream team" is working pro bono on this and I really think there is a deal somewhere, somehow that guarantees payment.moo

[spiritwolf46]

WOW-thanks for the link!


You are so very welcome!

[farrahrani]

I wonder the same thing............... When I look at her facial expressions that clearly do not match the moment , most telling is her walking with the target hooded shirt with hand cuffs that weird far away look , a look of smirking , it is not fitting , yet we see some looks that are ,such as when Baez gives his speech with Casey by his side in the grand jury endictment , she is then crying , WHY would she have had that weird smirk when being accused and then cry later ....these personality disorders are REAL and CASEY is the perfect example , just look at what her friends all said ,she was constantly changing to whatever situation called for , I do believe she has mutiple personalitys , its the ONE THING that sums up the whole picture .

Maybe one of Caseys alters did work at universal , and as she was walking with detectives at universal ,she snapped and said , no I don't work here , why did I take you here........I don't know she says .


Casey is ILL , its obvious.

Changing her behavior and telling people what they need to hear is also clear behaviors of a sociopath, along with her compulsive lying. She was given some kind of evaluation at the beginning of this and Cindy said there was nothing wrong with her.
Casey did NOT work for Universal, she worked at the Kodak kiosk for a brief period of time...if you are saying you believe that she did in fact work for Universal, then her second personality would have had to be functioning enough to come up with a social security number, ID, and references for a background check. I doubt that happened.

She took them all the way to Universal for her supposed job, because she really believed she'd have some kind of 'deus ex machina' moment. Its the kind of unexpected event that is a plot device in a lot of dramas. An unexpected event or person comes in and saves someone at the last moment. She carried that lie all the way, hoping the police would simply take her word for it at some point, or something would intervene. I know people like that, I lived with them. They prey on the kindness of people who don't have the energy to call them out on their lies, then look astounded and can't understand what to do when someone finally doesn't back down AND has the resources to hold them accountable. Unfortunately, its usually the police or other authorities that do this. (As in my situation also. The people lied, contradicted their lies, and made themselves look like idiots, all the while believing they were smarter than the police :rolleyes: It's how I can totally understand her behaviors, they fit the patterns I've seen all my life.)

[farrahrani]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but after Lee cleaned Casey's computer, couldn't LE retrieve the info even after everything was deleted? I thought everything on a hard drive can be retrieved by experts even after being deleted. Do they have the info that Lee cleaned off her computer? I'm hoping they do. That surely would be evidence against her or her character. I saw some posts stating that Lee could be charged for obstructing justice due to cleaning her computer. I'm hoping that LE knows exactly what he deleted. Thanks for your reply.


Yeah forensic scientists, or forensic computer experts whatever they're called. Even formatting your hard drive won't do it.

Even a newscaster made a joke that in order to destroy computer evidence, your best bet is to take the harddrive outside and hammer

[AJandTam]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but after Lee cleaned Casey's computer, couldn't LE retrieve the info even after everything was deleted? I thought everything on a hard drive can be retrieved by experts even after being deleted. Do they have the info that Lee cleaned off her computer? I'm hoping they do. That surely would be evidence against her or her character. I saw some posts stating that Lee could be charged for obstructing justice due to cleaning her computer. I'm hoping that LE knows exactly what he deleted. Thanks for your reply.

Lee's lawyer makes it sound like he has done something. I couldn't read the actual article on this. I think, and I could be wrong. That we are guessing at what Lee and his lawyer are worried about... We don't actually know..

[suzanne]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but after Lee cleaned Casey's computer, couldn't LE retrieve the info even after everything was deleted? I thought everything on a hard drive can be retrieved by experts even after being deleted. Do they have the info that Lee cleaned off her computer? I'm hoping they do. That surely would be evidence against her or her character. I saw some posts stating that Lee could be charged for obstructing justice due to cleaning her computer. I'm hoping that LE knows exactly what he deleted. Thanks for your reply.

I'm new here please be gentle with me ok?I'm just trying to learn more about this case.Why and when was lee cleaning casey's computer.I did not know this.I see pictures of a pretty little girl that is now a bag of bones.That is what she became.It's wrong.I just don't understand this.It all really bothers me and I guess I just really want to know why and I may never find out.

[PuffDragon]

Info on multiple personality disorder
http://www.psychologytoday.com/conditions/did.html

Very good article. If everybody read and digested that it would put an end to all speculation in that direction.

[PuffDragon]

Yep, yep, yep. She knows the words...

<snipped for space>

JMO

Perfectly put! I agree completely. I loved the rat analogy.

[spiritwolf46]

Here ya all go for those who could not read the article.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Casey Anthony sits behind bars, charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie. Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges
VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donated money

"It's an ongoing investigation, so no one really knows where it's going to lead. Mr. Anthony, obviously wants his civil rights protected. Everyone involved in the case should have their rights covered when determining what the police can and can not do or should and should not expect from the witnesses involved in this case," said Luka.

Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario.

For months, Lee Anthony has been conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee, looking into leads for other suspects, Luka told MyFoxOrlando.com.

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample. Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators.

"For that reason, he feels at this point, now that the police are focusing completely on Casey, he wants to make sure that his own civil rights are protected," said Luka.

[spiritwolf46]

Also wanted to mention that she told Jesse that she had a 'womans problem' that made her LOOK pregnant.
And when Casey was introduced to the Grund family, the Rev said 'that girl is pregnant', Jesse told him no she had a woman problem.
Which explains the paternity test later that the Grunds insisted on.

Thank you so much for that reminder! I almost forgot about that.

[Lavenia]

I'm hoping LE has the person whose history Casey was so aptly attributing to Zaniada. From N.Y., and N.C. (S.C.?) mother Gloria, sister Sam, birth date, etc. That history will belong to someone else she knows, I think, and it would be interesting to present someone with the same one at trial. That would be a real oops moment.

[MalloryCat]

She said that Casey COULDN'T be pregnant because she had never had sex. (this, while Casey's big ol' pregnant belly was obvious to everyone who saw her)

Its possible to get pregnant without penetration, it happens.

[Lavenia]

Very good article. If everybody read and digested that it would put an end to all speculation in that direction.

Yes, please. (I didn't read the article, but I agree that (DID) is not an option.)

[happygert]

Caylee has been moved 9 different times and George has been there? Ok George why didn't someone grab her the first time?..Call LE, FBI. do something? Umm could the reason they didn't do anything is because its all a lie?
heres different places I can come up with where she was.
1) In the A's house. 2) In the A's pool, 3) in the A's back yard, 4) In Caylee's play house, 5) In Casey's Trunk. 6) At tony's but still in Casey trunk, 7) At target still in casey's trunk. , 8) at the bank still in trunk. 9) then in the swamp.

[TealMermaid]

She said that Casey COULDN'T be pregnant because she had never had sex. (this, while Casey's big ol' pregnant belly was obvious to everyone who saw her)

This woman's denial is unbelievable!!!:ohmy:

[Lavenia]

Its possible to get pregnant without penetration, it happens.

Let's say I have first hand knowledge here. I would tell you about it but my 10 year old son I had at 39 when I had a 20 year old and a 7 year old, is close by. :wink:

ETA: But I would still consider the pregnancy a result of "sex" anyway. We weren't playing Parcheesi.

[need2no]

Also wanted to mention that she told Jesse that she had a 'womans problem' that made her LOOK pregnant.
And when Casey was introduced to the Grund family, the Rev said 'that girl is pregnant', Jesse told him no she had a woman problem.
Which explains the paternity test later that the Grunds insisted on.

In an interview, I believe on NG show, Mr. Grund stated he went on casey's MySpace (which I found kind of weird), and noted she was chatting with, and/or about some other guy. He said it was obvious she was cheating on Jesse. My guess is Mr. Grund was the one who pushed for the paternity test.

[nc1948]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

I too listened to the interview with Melich (sp) and don't remember the other LE name. Melich told her "everything you have told me is a lie and she just keeps on talking" She does not even pause to consider if what she says sounds logical, or is something the police can easily prove a lie. Fasciating when he told her the building across from old boyfriends home was a old folks home and she just keeps on lying.

To me the most interesting was when he told her she was lying and asked how coming to her former place of work was going to help find her child and she says that maybe a security guard would have seen her. HUH

She never hesitates before she lies, she never gets upset that they are talking to her and not looking for her child. She never cries that she is worried about her child. WHY, because she knew all along what happened and where she was. She had no feelings. She is so evil.

[VC2]

I think that the bad combination is Casey is a socio/psycho path and Cindy is very narssisistic. It is all about appearances for her.
Cindy needed to get Casey help but would have had to admit Casey wasn't perfect.
JMO

Cindy had enough of her own problems, remember her mom and family were afraid she would commit suicide BEFORE casey took off with caylee. She was seeing a counselor. To be fair, many many millions of parents have a child who lies, gets pregnant, steals and overall is a complete "failure". Most of them give them heck for the lies (andi believe cindy did, the one thing casey said that was the truth imo is she was afraid of her mom finding out things) Does anyone seriously believe that cindy would just ignore lies and theft without making it an issue or punishing? She is far to much a perfectionist to do that.

Doesnt mean she saw it as anything but the rebellion and stupidity that some young women go through in their teens and early twenties. Not approving it, not liking it but certainly not an example of her being a monster who cindy would conceive of killing her daughter.

In fact given her deep depression even before casey left, her frantic denial of everything and any lies to make casey's scenario the truth make sense to me. I said once months ago that i thought Cindy was holding on to her sanity by a thread. Denial is normal in this sort of case in the first place let alone if you are already in a perilous mental state. If she had allowed herself to believe casey killed caylee before there was any proof imo that would have been the end of cindy. She HAD to buy caseys story hook line and sinker and baez kept saying there was "proof" im convinced which helped her buy it. Her comments about casey not being pregnant..i think that is just another example of how she denies something that is unthinkable to her. She is not the first mother especially one who is a church goer to not believe their daughter was pregnant when the kid says "of course not mom, i just put on weight".

Casey and only casey is responsible for what she did. Yes it was a dysfunctional home, many ppl have grown up in those but i dont think that cindy was either abusive or uncaring. Permissive yes, but no way with her t3emperment would she accept lies she caught without making it clear how she felt about them. Cindy's behavior during the last 6 months makes me think of the book "im dancing as fast as i can" -admittedly its about a bi polar person but the title describes suffering from any mental illness including depression well. As i said, she HAD to believe caylee was alive and that meant believing caysee.

The appropriate behavior since caylee was found i hope means that she is now able to face it. (yeah i think its appropriate to donate toys to kids rather than leave them outside to get wet and dirty, and what caylee would have wanted). They haven't made public appearances yet, and the only thing i have heard is about the donations going to other charities now that the first has more than they can use. if it wasnt the anthony's people would approve of that.

i still think she will kill herself though.

imo

[neid_77]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/caylee-2.jpg

i don't post much but wanted to say thank you! this is so bueatiful brought:crying: my eyes GODBLESS you. such a wonderful true discrpition of caylee once again thank you for this bueatiful picture

[PuffDragon]

Yes, please. (I didn't read the article, but I agree that (DID) is not an option.)
Without question. She shows absolutely (urgh, there's that word again) no signs of it. Not now, not previously. I think some people are using it as a kind of simplistic term, meaning she has a good side and a bad side, and maybe the 'bad side' was out when this bad thing happened, without having a real understanding of what the disorder really is, clinically speaking.

[need2no]

Here ya all go for those who could not read the article.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1


ORLANDO, Fla. (WOFL FOX 35) -- Casey Anthony sits behind bars, charged with the murder of her daughter, Caylee Marie. Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges
VIDEO: Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donated money

"It's an ongoing investigation, so no one really knows where it's going to lead. Mr. Anthony, obviously wants his civil rights protected. Everyone involved in the case should have their rights covered when determining what the police can and can not do or should and should not expect from the witnesses involved in this case," said Luka.

Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario.

For months, Lee Anthony has been conducting his own investigation into the disappearance of Caylee, looking into leads for other suspects, Luka told MyFoxOrlando.com.

Luka contends that Lee has cooperated with detectives, even handing over a DNA sample. Luka describes his role an advisor to Lee, in determining what he should and should not say to investigators.

"For that reason, he feels at this point, now that the police are focusing completely on Casey, he wants to make sure that his own civil rights are protected," said Luka.


For this to be attorney Luka's first public statement (to my knowledge), he sure blew it when he slipped and referred to Caylee as Lee's daughter, then corrected himself and said niece. That's not the kind of help Lee needs right now.

[margaritaville]

Way behind as usual but ITA. Can someone answer this: If Casey is convicted and cannot sell her story to pay for the dream team, can her parents?

I do not believe that her "dream team" is working pro bono on this and I really think there is a deal somewhere, somehow that guarantees payment.moo

I do...they may not be getting "paid" by Casy but they will have the right to write books ect. after the trial. They will be able to make more money then if Casey actually paid them.imho
I believe that is why people like Linda Baden, Kobolinski (sp) always seem to come out of the wood work when the cases are high profile like this one.....imho

[happygert]

Your welcome, there are so many Casey lies, that its hard to keep them all straight. One lie leads to another..habitual liar without a doubt.

Also why would she lie about EVERYTHING and tell the truth about who the father is, nope, she lied about the Father too. S'all lies.

ITA she lied about the father..

[Lavenia]

That is a pretty good statement and one that makes ya sit back and ponder. You are right. Why would she feel hate?

I always refer to this: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html

It is such a good reference on sociopath and psychopath.

My eyes will never be the same, but that is a GREAT article!

[Neffy]

Luka: No improprieties with donated money

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1


"Mr. Anthony was going under the assumption she was kidnapped. He investigated that angle first and foremost."

:scared: This is from Lee's Attorney - Can we say Lee no longer assumes this?

[suzanne]

I'm hoping LE has the person whose history Casey was so aptly attributing to Zaniada. From N.Y., and N.C. (S.C.?) mother Gloria, sister Sam, birth date, etc. That history will belong to someone else she knows, I think, and it would be interesting to present someone with the same one at trial. That would be a real oops moment.

I was thinking this too.Does anyone have any idea who this could be?

[Mimi428]

I'm new here please be gentle with me ok?I'm just trying to learn more about this case.Why and when was lee cleaning casey's computer.I did not know this.I see pictures of a pretty little girl that is now a bag of bones.That is what she became.It's wrong.I just don't understand this.It all really bothers me and I guess I just really want to know why and I may never find out.

Oh my goodness, I can't even imagine how many answers there could potentially be for all the "why" questions in this case.

For me, the easiest "why" question to answer is the one about why Casey killed Caylee - because Casey is a psychopath & she wanted Caylee gone.

When it gets down to the why did Lee do this & George do that & Cindy say this & so on & so forth - those are areas I think we have yet to get real answers about. We could speculate on so many possible scenarios that it would take up every minute of the night & day to cover all of them (& seems like it will!)


JMO

[MalloryCat]

Let's say I have first hand knowledge here. I would tell you about it but my 10 year old son I had at 39 when I had a 20 year old and a 7 year old, is close by. :wink:

ETA: But I would still consider the pregnancy a result of "sex" anyway. We weren't playing Parcheesi.


LOL, wow, well, thats great, truly a surprise!!

But I am sure Casey had sex and probably lots of it around the time Caylee was conceived, basically they need to test every guy working at Universal at that time.

jmo

[Lavenia]

I was thinking this too.Does anyone have any idea who this could be?

You know how she has that element of truth in her lies.

[spiritwolf46]

For this to be attorney Luka's first public statement (to my knowledge), he sure blew it when he slipped and referred to Caylee as Lee's daughter, then corrected himself and said niece. That's not the kind of help Lee needs right now.

I noticed that slip up to!!! He also seemed to talk in circles. I could not pin the article down.

[suzanne]

i don't post much but wanted to say thank you! this is so bueatiful brought:crying: my eyes GODBLESS you. such a wonderful true discrpition of caylee once again thank you for this bueatiful picture

This picture is beautiful.Thankyou.

[PuffDragon]

In an interview, I believe on NG show, Mr. Grund stated he went on casey's MySpace (which I found kind of weird), and noted she was chatting with, and/or about some other guy. He said it was obvious she was cheating on Jesse. My guess is Mr. Grund was the one who pushed for the paternity test.

*Emphasis mine

I don't think it's weird. He had a feeling about her, being more experienced in life than his son, and wanted to check on her to see if he was right.

[happygert]

All the A's have lawyered up Criminal Attorneys since Caylee's body has been found. Lee's attorney said that Lee gave DNA. But what he didn't say was he was court ordered to. He was also court ordered to give his fingerprints.

[*MoonRider*]

Cindy revisited with hammer raw video on 8/29 hammer

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

Blame, blame, blame.

[suzanne]

Oh my goodness, I can't even imagine how many answers there could potentially be for all the "why" questions in this case.

For me, the easiest "why" question to answer is the one about why Casey killed Caylee - because Casey is a psychopath & she wanted Caylee gone.

When it gets down to the why did Lee do this & George do that & Cindy say this & so on & so forth - those are areas I think we have yet to get real answers about. We could speculate on so many possible scenarios that it would take up every minute of the night & day to cover all of them (& seems like it will!)


JMO

I agree.Thankyou for answering me.

[Mimi428]

I really really really hate trying to read white on black, but that was worth working through. It should have Casey's picture next to it!

I'm with ya on hating that white print on black background - argh!

When you scroll all the way down to the bottom of that page, this link is there -

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=936

And it has a lot of excerpts from a book written by Robert Hare (who coined the 'knows the words...' analogy). Here is one little excerpt & I can just imagine this applying to Casey as well...

“I wouldn’t be here if my parents had come across when I needed them,” he [‘Terry,’ imprisoned bank robber] said. “What kind of parents would let their son rot in a place like this?” Asked about his children, he replied, “I’ve never seen them. I think they were given up for adoption. How the hell should I know?” – Hare, Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us

That, to me, is classic. Everything related to him is SOOOOOOO important. But he cannot see nor appreciate the importance of anyone else - & he most certainly cannot perceive the astounding hypocrisy in his remarks about bad parenting.

[spiritwolf46]

My eyes will never be the same, but that is a GREAT article!

LOL, I know. That black and white messes with ya!

This part reminded me of George! Blurting out everything he did to LE and always saying "that is the truth, or I want to be completely honest with you guys", and also him HAVING to be doing something at all times, like driving the billboard all around, but not being able to keep a job.

Antisocial Personality Disorder Overview


They appear to be incapable of any true emotions, from love to shame to guilt. They are quick to anger, but just as quick to let it go, without holding grudges. No matter what emotion they state they have, it has no bearing on their future actions or attitudes.

They rarely are able to have jobs that last for any length of time, as they become easily bored, instead needing constant change. They live for the moment, forgetting the past, and not planning the future, not thinking ahead what consequences their actions will have. They want immediate rewards and gratification.

[need2no]

Actually if Rev. Grund was suspicious of Casey, it would make sense that he checked her myspace page..

C_E and PuffDragon..

Rethinking my comment..perhaps you're right, Mr. Grund may have had many reasons not to trust casey, not the least of which noting she appeared pregnant when she and Jesse 1st started dating. Maybe he had tried to talk to Jesse about his suspicions and got no where, so he started his own little investigation, (including checking out her MS), to confirm and prove his suspicions.

[AJandTam]

All the A's have lawyered up Criminal Attorneys since Caylee's body has been found. Lee's attorney said that Lee gave DNA. But what he didn't say was he was court ordered to. He was also court ordered to give his fingerprints.

Why do the lawyers need to say anything. Why do these attorneys need to make so many statements. Their clients are just poor people who just happened to be related to the hateful creature who murdered her daughter.. Or do they know something we don't??

[spiritwolf46]

For a murder attorney, he is pretty lousy as a civil rights attorney. :rolleyes: Poor Lee was only acting in the best interest of his daughter...ooops, I mean his niece. :rolleyes:


Heee heee heee! Don't they call that a freudian slip?

[Lavenia]

Heee heee heee! Don't they call that a freudian slip?

In this case, a "fraudian" slip. :laugh:

[Duckaroo]

There are a million reasons my mind cannot fathom what was done to this little baby..first and foremost of course being how could a Mother kill her own child.

But, then there's so many other things..that make it all the more senseless, for instance..there's some girls who, when their parents find out they're pregnant..put them out of the house, or even disown them completely. Casey was able to still live at home, Caylee had two grandparents who adored her. She could have got a job (a long-term real one)..probably wouldn't have had to pay too much, if anything..to G&C if she continued to stay there. They would have watched Caylee for nothing I'm sure..she probably could have still had a pretty good "singles" life while working and staying there, and her daughter would have been looked after by people that loved her. And then also, there's the fact that if she wanted to be free from Caylee completely..I'm sure G&C would have taken custody of her in a heartbeat. There was just zero reason for her to do this, not that I mean to imply there would ever be any legitimate reason period for anyone to ever do something like this so I hope everyone understands what I meant.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Gerald @ Large video 12/22

'Barrage' of Suffering?
(LKB, JB, medicine cabinet)
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3355165&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

Uphill Battle-Part 2
(DP, emails, obstruction, psychic, duct tape)
http://www.foxnews.com/video2/video08.html?maven_referralObject=3355167&maven_referralPlaylistId=&sRevUrl=http://www.foxnews.com/geraldo/

[PuffDragon]

I'm with ya on hating that white print on black background - argh!

When you scroll all the way down to the bottom of that page, this link is there -

http://www.damninteresting.com/?p=936

And it has a lot of excerpts from a book written by Robert Hare (who coined the 'knows the words...' analogy). Here is one little excerpt & I can just imagine this applying to Casey as well...

“I wouldn’t be here if my parents had come across when I needed them,” he [‘Terry,’ imprisoned bank robber] said. “What kind of parents would let their son rot in a place like this?” Asked about his children, he replied, “I’ve never seen them. I think they were given up for adoption. How the hell should I know?” – Hare, Without Conscience: The Disturbing World of the Psychopaths Among Us

That, to me, is classic. Everything related to him is SOOOOOOO important. But he cannot see nor appreciate the importance of anyone else - & he most certainly cannot perceive the astounding hypocrisy in his remarks about bad parenting.

Wonderful explanation! I'd had all I could take with the white on black and didn't hit that link but I'm so glad you made me go there. "Moral insanity" and "defective conscience": perfect terms!! And this one:

>>>The psychopath does not merely repress feelings of anxiety and guilt or fail to experience them appropriately; instead, he or she lacks a fundamental understanding of what these things are.<<<

I think I have to go order that book. I need to read more.

[need2no]

Why do the lawyers need to say anything. Why do these attorneys need to make so many statements. Their clients are just poor people who just happened to be related to the hateful creature who murdered her daughter.. Or do they know something we don't??

I don't know, but watching the video with Luka it made me think something was about to come down the pike regarding Lee, and Luka wanted to get these thoughts out there to tone things down a bit before 'whatever' is released to the public.

[spiritwolf46]

Why do the lawyers need to say anything. Why do these attorneys need to make so many statements. Their clients are just poor people who just happened to be related to the hateful creature who murdered her daughter.. Or do they know something we don't??

ITA! WHY do any of them need the type of Attorney's they have, IF they have done nothing wrong? Why did LEE tell them NOt to take a LDT? Why didn't Lee want to cooperate and have to have a warrant for DNA? There are so many more things to come, I am afraid, but only God know what those things could be!

I know that the Anthony's gave fingerprints, does anyone know if Lee finally gave his?

TIA!

ETA: Be back in a bit! This has been a wonderful discussion today! I hope it stays that way. :)

[PuffDragon]

Why do the lawyers need to say anything. Why do these attorneys need to make so many statements. Their clients are just poor people who just happened to be related to the hateful creature who murdered her daughter.. Or do they know something we don't??

*Emphasis mine

Probably they do. They know the law and how to best protect their clients from what could happen to them.

[PuffDragon]

Heee heee heee! Don't they call that a freudian slip?

Not exactly. If Lee had said something similar it might have been. For the lawyer to have said it sounds more like not being well enough prepared.

[Barbara fl.]

One poster wrote that the Anthony's looked under the play house in the back yard...I didn't hear about that. Was that before or after the police were called? Does anyone know? Just curious....

[PuffDragon]

In this case, a "fraudian" slip. :laugh:

:laugh::laugh: Oh my, that was good!!!

[AJandTam]

I don't know, but watching the video with Luka it made me think something was about to come down the pike regarding Lee, and Luka wanted to get these thoughts out there to tone things down a bit before 'whatever' is released to the public.

Yep, the attorneys making statements about "immunity" and now this... What are they preparing the public for... Giving a defense before one is needed. The theme for lawyers is generally to keep your mouth shut... So why the attorney's not keeping thier mouth shut?

[happygert]

Why do the lawyers need to say anything. Why do these attorneys need to make so many statements. Their clients are just poor people who just happened to be related to the hateful creature who murdered her daughter.. Or do they know something we don't??

My guess is they do. and was covering casey's Azz and now they got themselves in a mess. Why else would they ask for immunity? Every since Caylee's body was found not one peep out of them. NeJame tried to control Cindy's mouth to no avail..WHY now are they speechless?

[PuffDragon]

There are a million reasons my mind cannot fathom what was done to this little baby..first and foremost of course being how could a Mother kill her own child.

<snipped for space>
.

If this helps you to understand, try to imagine that Caylee is a doll - a toy that Casey has outgrown.

[Barbara fl.]

I was thinking this too.Does anyone have any idea who this could be?


Yah..."Zenaida" and we all know who that is.....

[Lavenia]

I don't know, but watching the video with Luka it made me think something was about to come down the pike regarding Lee, and Luka wanted to get these thoughts out there to tone things down a bit before 'whatever' is released to the public.

That was my take. Let whatever happens soon be a little less of a shock and so less likely to be thought of as a seminal moment in Lee's story.

[suzanne]

I don't blame cindy for any of her actions she did.I think people react differently in a situation like this.She is trying to believe her daughter.I would too.I think she got thrown in a situation she never thought would happen or she ever thought she would have to go through and I really feel bad for her.

[trich]

OMFreakingG, another liar added to the mix in the form of Lee Anthony's attorney. I have but one question. IF his attorney is saying that Lee merely wants his "civil rights" protected, then how come Lee chose an attorney who specializes in MURDER????

Let's see which Anthony is going to toss which family member under the bus. And away we go!

Isn't it amazing how both Casey,and Cindy & George(through private investigators they supposedly hired) have been doing their own investigations and now Lee has too.

None of which has been able to prove anything about anybody else .....when are they going to admit that Casey did it?

[happygert]

ITA! WHY do any of them need the type of Attorney's they have, IF they have done nothing wrong? Why did LEE tell them NOt to take a LDT? Why didn't Lee want to cooperate and have to have a warrant for DNA? There are so many more things to come, I am afraid, but only God know what those things could be!

I know that the Anthony's gave fingerprints, does anyone know if Lee finally gave his?

TIA!

ETA: Be back in a bit! This has been a wonderful discussion today! I hope it stays that way. :)

Lee gave his by court order. They had to get a warrant to get his. They same as his DNA

[AJandTam]

ITA! WHY do any of them need the type of Attorney's they have, IF they have done nothing wrong? Why did LEE tell them NOt to take a LDT? Why didn't Lee want to cooperate and have to have a warrant for DNA? There are so many more things to come, I am afraid, but only God know what those things could be!

I know that the Anthony's gave fingerprints, does anyone know if Lee finally gave his?

TIA!

ETA: Be back in a bit! This has been a wonderful discussion today! I hope it stays that way. :)

I don't know what either Spirit, all I know is that I think something must be coming. Evidence/forensic's maybe??

I hear that Lee gave LE the run around for his fingerprints and his DNA... but LE got it... and I think in order to get it, they needed just cause?? Someone, anyone know?

[TealMermaid]

In an interview, I believe on NG show, Mr. Grund stated he went on casey's MySpace (which I found kind of weird), and noted she was chatting with, and/or about some other guy. He said it was obvious she was cheating on Jesse. My guess is Mr. Grund was the one who pushed for the paternity test.


I would have gone on My Space too, if I were Mr. Gund. Most young people have My Space pages, and they're very telling about what an individual is into and considers important. I would have been very upset if my son showed up with a pregnant/but I'm not pregnant Casey as a girlfriend.
Mr. Gund and Jesse seem very nice. I'm glad Casey didn't wreck their lives.

[Nellie]

That was my take. Let whatever happens soon be a little less of a shock and so less likely to be thought of as a seminal moment in Lee's story.

Yep, these lawyer statements are nothing more than
pre-emtive "damage control" for what may be coming.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

Yep, the attorneys making statements about "immunity" and now this... What are they preparing the public for... Giving a defense before one is needed. The theme for lawyers is generally to keep your mouth shut... So why the attorney's not keeping thier mouth shut?

Apparently CinA & GA's attorney and LA's attorney do not agree on how the remaining funds will be distributed. IIRC Conway reported donated to a yet-to-be-determined missing person organization and Luka reported maybe returned to the donater.
jmo

[Mimi428]

Wonderful explanation! I'd had all I could take with the white on black and didn't hit that link but I'm so glad you made me go there. "Moral insanity" and "defective conscience": perfect terms!! And this one:

>>>The psychopath does not merely repress feelings of anxiety and guilt or fail to experience them appropriately; instead, he or she lacks a fundamental understanding of what these things are.<<<

I think I have to go order that book. I need to read more.

Here is another website & this one looks like a goldmine. I'm leaving this with y'all & I hope someone or several someones can peruse it. I'm outta here for I don't know how long - just got a phone call that my DH is on his way to the ER via ambulence with chest pains & he's a cardiac patient to begin with...

(sorry to go O/T, hope to catch up later & that this ER visit will be much ado about not too much)

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_history.htm

[TealMermaid]

I don't blame cindy for any of her actions she did.I think people react differently in a situation like this.She is trying to believe her daughter.I would too.I think she got thrown in a situation she never thought would happen or she ever thought she would have to go through and I really feel bad for her.



I do blame her for enabling Casey. I also wonder what's been going on in her home that she is trying to hide?

[Lavenia]

Yep, these lawyer statements are nothing more than
pre-emtive "damage control" for what may be coming.....

Yeah, it's not quite as memorable to us in the long run when it's given to us in dribs and drabs as it would have been if it had been an explosive story that burned itself into people's memories, IMO.

[Barbara fl.]

I don't know what either Spirit, all I know is that I think something must be coming. Evidence/forensic's maybe??

I hear that Lee gave LE the run around for his fingerprints and his DNA... but LE got it... and I think in order to get it, they needed just cause?? Someone, anyone know?


It might be to eliminate everyone they could of any fingerprints found on the duct tape....but I'm not sure....But I would really like to know why Lee gave them such a hard way to go to give his....

First he refused a polygraph....then refused a DNA....then had to be court ordered to be fingerprinted.....What is up with him....Is he catching himself trying to be loyal to Casey? I don't understand that....

[*MoonRider*]

Yep, the attorneys making statements about "immunity" and now this... What are they preparing the public for... Giving a defense before one is needed. The theme for lawyers is generally to keep your mouth shut... So why the attorney's not keeping thier mouth shut?

I think they are all going to plead the 5th so they won't have to testify against the odious creature. Lawyers are trying to send message to LE hence the talk of immunity. JMO

[Nellie]

I don't know what either Spirit, all I know is that I think something must be coming. Evidence/forensic's maybe??

I hear that Lee gave LE the run around for his fingerprints and his DNA... but LE got it... and I think in order to get it, they needed just cause?? Someone, anyone know?

If you have to run out and get you an attorney after/when the body is found.....then imo you must be afraid (very afraid) of where/what the evidence with the body will point. I mean, if I had nothing to do with it....I'd never give it a thought that I'd need a defense attorney! What would I think I'd be defending myself against?

I am so interested to find out who's fingerprints are on that duct tape....

[kitty1182]

Here is another website & this one looks like a goldmine. I'm leaving this with y'all & I hope someone or several someones can peruse it. I'm outta here for I don't know how long - just got a phone call that my DH is on his way to the ER via ambulence with chest pains & he's a cardiac patient to begin with...

(sorry to go O/T, hope to catch up later & that this ER visit will be much ado about not too much)

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_history.htm


Thanks Mimi..Hope hubby is ok..

[Lavenia]

Here is another website & this one looks like a goldmine. I'm leaving this with y'all & I hope someone or several someones can peruse it. I'm outta here for I don't know how long - just got a phone call that my DH is on his way to the ER via ambulence with chest pains & he's a cardiac patient to begin with...

(sorry to go O/T, hope to catch up later & that this ER visit will be much ado about not too much)

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_history.htm

:scared: OMG Mimi! Best wishes for your husband! Check in when you can.

[nc1948]

You are so right....Casey will never break....And i'm sure she does not miss Caylee...she might be wishing that she hid the body a little better (same as SP) but she is not sorry for what she did...

No mother could have carried out an act like this to their prescious child unless they hated this child all along...

Some people say that Casey always acted like a loving mother....Well I could tell you stories that would make your hair stand up from so called loving mothers that acted like that around people but were totally the opposite when alone with the child.....I do not buy that or the pictures....pictures are posed for.....
JMO

I so agree.

[Nellie]

I don't blame cindy for any of her actions she did.I think people react differently in a situation like this.She is trying to believe her daughter.I would too.I think she got thrown in a situation she never thought would happen or she ever thought she would have to go through and I really feel bad for her.

Have you followed this case from the beginning?
To most who have (and maybe you have and some don't feel the same say), but there are suspicions that a family cover up has gone on....purposely. If that turns out to be the case, then I DO blame Cindy and the others for letting poor little Caylee lie there in those woods and rot. And don't forget that Cindy had no problem trying to throw others under the bus....others who were also thrown into a situation they never thought they would go through. My sympathy for Cindy extends to the loss of her beautiful g-daughter. Beyond that, my sympathies for her have worn thin......

[nc1948]

She even dreams up middle names for all the cast....She usually gives a middle name to some of these people....seems so odd to me...

When I read this, I realized I did not know my best friends middle name and very few of my husbands families middle names. A middle name is not something that is normally discussed. But yes, she does know everyones middle name, well the middle name for all her imaginary friends.

[happygert]

mimi hope hubby's ok

[PuffDragon]

Here is another website & this one looks like a goldmine. I'm leaving this with y'all & I hope someone or several someones can peruse it. I'm outta here for I don't know how long - just got a phone call that my DH is on his way to the ER via ambulence with chest pains & he's a cardiac patient to begin with...

(sorry to go O/T, hope to catch up later & that this ER visit will be much ado about not too much)

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_history.htm

Thanks, I bookmarked it for later when the board is dragging.

O/T, hope everything turns out well.

[nc1948]

I agree with Sandy...Casey lies a whole story....her lies can make a movie within themself....


How did her family not see this thru the years? This could not have just started....When she was little, they probably said she had an imagination...as she got bigger, they probably said she would grow out of it....And now this....

Cindy and George knew about her lies because George even told LE that Casey would carry her lies to the limit...

I just can not figure it....

one of my favorite was Cindys' When Casey lies she always tells the truth. OKAAAAAAAY

[ConchGirl]

Cindy revisited with hammer raw video on 8/29 hammer

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

Blame, blame, blame.

Wow, I haven't seen that for a while. Casey is in her house and she's blaming the media & LE for not finding Caylee. Cindy says we don't talk about the case. :crying:

[Amy]

http://www.cnn.com/2008/CRIME/12/26/missing.baby.hoax/index.html


Looks like we will be seeing more reports of "my nanny took my child":rolleyes:

Wonder how and why she 'fessed up?

I see they may charge her for the costs expended in the search. Which I think is a good idea. It was a good idea for the bride, for Beth Smith, for all the others who felt, for whatever reason that they had to "disappear"--and for them to say they had no idea it would get so big is poppycock. Even those that remain a local issue, there are law enforcement costs for the search, to say nothing about the manpower that is diverted from real crime.

[AJandTam]

Apparently CinA & GA's attorney and LA's attorney do not agree on how the remaining funds will be distributed. IIRC Conway reported donated to a yet-to-be-determined missing person organization and Luka reported maybe returned to the donater.
jmo

Families always get money when something like this happens. However, if someone is collecting money for someone they know is not kidnapped. Then what?

[MalloryCat]

It might be to eliminate everyone they could of any fingerprints found on the duct tape....but I'm not sure....But I would really like to know why Lee gave them such a hard way to go to give his....

First he refused a polygraph....then refused a DNA....then had to be court ordered to be fingerprinted.....What is up with him....Is he catching himself trying to be loyal to Casey? I don't understand that....

I am sure he was being loyal, maybe also George being former LE had a grudge against cops and they grew up listening to George talk negatively about the LE? Do you really think if the LE had any forensic proof someone other than Casey was responsible, you dont think Lee would be in jail by now?

jmo

[Duckaroo]

If this helps you to understand, try to imagine that Caylee is a doll - a toy that Casey has outgrown.

That's basically what it seems to boil down to, sadly though..there are those who even think more of a doll than she did of her own child..that they'd give it to someone or donate it, so that another could love and enjoy it, because they can't bare the thought of just throwing it away.

[AJandTam]

It might be to eliminate everyone they could of any fingerprints found on the duct tape....but I'm not sure....But I would really like to know why Lee gave them such a hard way to go to give his....

First he refused a polygraph....then refused a DNA....then had to be court ordered to be fingerprinted.....What is up with him....Is he catching himself trying to be loyal to Casey? I don't understand that....

Exactly, if there was more than one fingerprint on the tape, then you would take other finger prints from other people to rule someone in or out as to who the extra prints belonged too. .. No big thing unless ofcourse, your fingerprints might be somewhere that they shouldn't be.. No need to worry about it...

[suzanne]

Have you followed this case from the beginning?
To most who have (and maybe you have and some don't feel the same say), but there are suspicions that a family cover up has gone on....purposely. If that turns out to be the case, then I DO blame Cindy and the others for letting poor little Caylee lie there in those woods and rot. And don't forget that Cindy had no problem trying to throw others under the bus....others who were also thrown into a situation they never thought they would go through. My sympathy for Cindy extends to the loss of her beautiful g-daughter. Beyond that, my sympathies for her have worn thin......

Yes,I have followed this case with my son on Nancy Grace every night.But I honestly did not think she would be found dead.It really bothered me.Caylee's a beautiful little girl.So I am looking into her case a little more.I do not think there was a cover up with Cindy.JMHO.I heard her 911 call to the police to find her grand daughter and I really felt bad for her.I understand if she is trying to believe her daughter in all this.I do not support Casey.But I do support Cindy.

[Lavenia]

Wonder how and why she 'fessed up?

I see they may charge her for the costs expended in the search. Which I think is a good idea. It was a good idea for the bride, for Beth Smith, for all the others who felt, for whatever reason that they had to "disappear"--and for them to say they had no idea it would get so big is poppycock. Even those that remain a local issue, there are law enforcement costs for the search, to say nothing about the manpower that is diverted from real crime.

It's mighty frustrating Amy, but it would be madness trying to determine which criminals have to pay the system back. It takes manpower to investigate and prosecute ALL criminals. If you make one pay you have to make 'em all pay because they're ALL expensive. (Which is tempting, but scumbags don't usually have that kind of money, only us taxpayers. :cursing:)

[happygert]

Families always get money when something like this happens. However, if someone is collecting money for someone they know is not kidnapped. Then what?

IMO they should be charged with fraud. Including wire fraud, mail fraud..the whole nine yards.

[AJandTam]

I think they are all going to plead the 5th so they won't have to testify against the odious creature. Lawyers are trying to send message to LE hence the talk of immunity. JMO

Not sure Moon. Not a lawyer but I think if you did something you need immunity for, and you get immunity, you can't plead the 5th and not talk, or you lose the immunity?

[Mamie]

Apparently CinA & GA's attorney and LA's attorney do not agree on how the remaining funds will be distributed. IIRC Conway reported donated to a yet-to-be-determined missing person organization and Luka reported maybe returned to the donater.
jmo

That is what Luka said, in response to Lee's questionable use of the money, well or use of the money at all---he shouldn't have used it.

So, speaking of Lee-----what does he do for a living? I have forgotten if I ever knew. TIA

[Cury-us Coyote]

Families always get money when something like this happens. However, if someone is collecting money for someone they know is not kidnapped. Then what?

Will the nuclear family and LA prospective in-law agree? Will the A's continue to support KFN? Lots of questions but the decision could be revealing, IMO.

[joolz]

Isn't it amazing how both Casey,and Cindy & George(through private investigators they supposedly hired) have been doing their own investigations and now Lee has too.

None of which has been able to prove anything about anybody else .....when are they going to admit that Casey did it?

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

[PuffDragon]

That's basically what it seems to boil down to, sadly though..there are those who even think more of a doll than she did of her own child..that they'd give it to someone or donate it, so that another could love and enjoy it, because they can't bare the thought of just throwing it away.

Quite right. But then there are children who don't get particularly attached to their dolls.

[i_pickle]

Cindy revisited with hammer raw video on 8/29 hammer

http://www.wftv.com/video/17334271/index.html

Blame, blame, blame.Imo, that woman needs to get a life, as do all the others that hang around the Anthony house like vultures.

[Lavenia]

Thanks, I bookmarked it for later when the board is dragging.

O/T, hope everything turns out well.

Just who does she think we are? You gots to be a smarty pants to read that! :chicken: