Caylee Anthony - Dec 27/08 - Part 1

[AJandTam]

If you have to run out and get you an attorney after/when the body is found.....then imo you must be afraid (very afraid) of where/what the evidence with the body will point. I mean, if I had nothing to do with it....I'd never give it a thought that I'd need a defense attorney! What would I think I'd be defending myself against?

I am so interested to find out who's fingerprints are on that duct tape....

Some people think they need a lawyer when they are this closely related to a crime of this magnitude. However, the attorney they hire probably wouldn't be talking about immunity and charges filed against them... unless there was reason to believe that this was going to happen. JMO

[Mamie]

Not sure Moon. Not a lawyer but I think if you did something you need immunity for, and you get immunity, you can't plead the 5th and not talk, or you lose the immunity?

I think you're right----that's the whole deal about getting immunity. You get immunity for telling the truthful story, even though things will come out that you could be held accountable for, if you're given immunity, you can't be held accountable for them but I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too. JMO

[ConchGirl]

Wonder how and why she 'fessed up?

I see they may charge her for the costs expended in the search. Which I think is a good idea. It was a good idea for the bride, for Beth Smith, for all the others who felt, for whatever reason that they had to "disappear"--and for them to say they had no idea it would get so big is poppycock. Even those that remain a local issue, there are law enforcement costs for the search, to say nothing about the manpower that is diverted from real crime.

Can you imagine how much Orange County has spent on this case? Any monies from alleged movie deals, etc. should be used to repay all the money they spent chasing an imaginary nanny. IMO

[nc1948]

She knew enough to have a meltdown when Caylee was found. She knew enough to be afraid for her own sorry behind. JMO

Did she really have a melt down or was that Baez way to try to get sympathy for her? I have become so jaded over everything I hear. He said she had a panic attack and asked for a sedative. I know a person that has panic attacks and have been present when he has had 3. During all three he was unable to speak. He could not have asked for anything. Maybe Casey is different. Never-mind, I know she is different than anyone I have ever known.

[CANDYKISSES]

That's basically what it seems to boil down to, sadly though..there are those who even think more of a doll than she did of her own child..that they'd give it to someone or donate it, so that another could love and enjoy it, because they can't bare the thought of just throwing it away.

She makes my skin crawl. FGS, she treated her hamster better. At least he apparently got a burial in those woods IMO. :crying:

[Amy]

Good Morning everyone. I thought this was interesting. The money trail will be just as interesting as the trial. IMO
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.2.1

Who pays for Casey's defense and who profits?

As the defense team for Caylee has grown, questions have been raised as to if and how a team of high-profile forensic experts are being paid for their contributions.

The kind of defense assembled by Casey Anthony's attorney, Jose Baez, typically would not come cheap. While it is unknown whether any of the experts are being paid, what is known, is that if Casey is convicted of first degree murder, it is unlikely her legal team will be raking-in the dough.

That would put to rest any rumors of a book or movie deal that could be in the works.

So far, attorneys for the defense include, in addition to Baez: Linda Kenny-Baden, famed attorney for record producer Phil Spector, Jose Luis Garcia, Jonathen Casen and Mike Walsh. If the prosecution should seek the death penalty, Terance Lenamon could join the defense. There are also several scientific experts working the case for the defense.

"Are you going to do what is best in Ms. Anthony's interest, or what's going to get you on TV the most?" asked criminal defense attorney Richard Hornsby, citing one of the many questions posed to Baez by people who have been closely following the case.

Under Florida law, Baez would not be able to tell, or sell, his story for profit if his client is convicted, based on attorney-client privileges.

"If Ms. Anthony is convicted of anything, Mr. Baez and anybody who has worked on his defense, will never be able to publicly speak about either what she said, what she talked about or how their defense was prepared. If they did, they could be sued," added Hornsby.

If Casey is acquitted of charges, and she were to grant permission to Baez, then, and only then, could he make money from the case.

Hornsby said any money-making deal is not due-diligence for Casey. "Unless their people are truly doing this pro bono, there is probably some questionable things that have gone on regarding compensation," said Hornsby.

It is important to note that at the time of this publication, there had been no formal complaints filed against Baez about how he and his defense team was getting paid in their representation of Casey Anthony.

National media coverage is a big pull--being a house hold name. And, if one is already a household name, never hurts to keep one's name out so no one forgets!!!! They might not be eligible for movies and book deals, but they can ride the coattails of this case for years becoming TH's on the talk show circuit. Even if they can't talk particulars about THIS case, they could spout their "expertise" to anyone who would listen.

Perhaps most of them on the "team"--maybe all-- are figuring they can get an acquital? OJ did, ya remember? Robert Blake did, too. And, heck, they can keep their names out there for years if LKB pulls off a Phil Spector caper--hung jury, retrial, goodness, they can be in the headlines for AGES.

I don't understand the part about no formal complaints about how the team is being paid? If the people on the team don't like the compensation, they can bow out. If they are going pro bono--they would have to agree to that before climbing on the train. Are people who aren't on 'the team" allowed to file complaints just because they don't know WHAT the compensation package is? If all on the team, Baez and Casey agree to the compensation, is it anyone else' business?

[AJandTam]

IMO they should be charged with fraud. Including wire fraud, mail fraud..the whole nine yards.

IF it can be proven that they knew this child was dead. Then YES, absolutely, no way should they walk. Because if they get away w/it. You can bet your boots that others will try it too. They need to set the bar here for anyone thinking of such a thing..

[Lavenia]

Not sure Moon. Not a lawyer but I think if you did something you need immunity for, and you get immunity, you can't plead the 5th and not talk, or you lose the immunity?

I believe you are correct. Invoking the 5th is a protection against self-recrimination. Immunity assumes you have disclosed that which you need protection under the law for and received the protection in exchange for full, truthful testimony. Can't have both. But I'm not an attorney and maybe one of our friends can help us.

[CANDYKISSES]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:


Now that is a fairytale I would like to read joolz. :blink:

[Duckaroo]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

My eyes rolled probably like a roulette wheel when I heard her say that..if that's the case, where is this Zanny? If they found evidence everything she claimed was true..I would think that meant they found evidence Zanny existed, so did they track her down or what..maybe they found her in one of those clubs Casey was dancing around and investigating in.

[CANDYKISSES]

Can you imagine how much Orange County has spent on this case? Any monies from alleged movie deals, etc. should be used to repay all the money they spent chasing an imaginary nanny. IMO


ITA with this. It would be an atrocity to the county and the state if these people knew (as I believe they did) and the charade they pulled off even to the point of endangering other children IMOO. :cursing:

[Amy]

Thank you Swarvie!!:


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Could Lee Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pa...Y&pageId=3.1.1


From the article:

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

LOL, of course not LE just files obstruction charges on a whim. First I am hearing about aiding and abetting too, very interesting. If lee anthony has done anything to interfere with this investigation charges SHOULD be filed, imo. :angry:

I would say just his playing detective FROM DAY 31 is obstruction in and of itself. Once LE had been called, all INVESTIGATIONS should have been left to them. He should have told LE where the computer was. He should have given LE the list of the names of the people in Casey's life and let THEM talk to them before the A's had a powwow. IMO, of course.

And, Lutka says, not because he has done anything wrong? They might charge him with obstruction or aiding and abetting? Does this attorney think that is "nothing wrong?"

[playnice]

Did she really have a melt down or was that Baez way to try to get sympathy for her? I have become so jaded over everything I hear. He said she had a panic attack and asked for a sedative. I know a person that has panic attacks and have been present when he has had 3. During all three he was unable to speak. He could not have asked for anything. Maybe Casey is different. Never-mind, I know she is different than anyone I have ever known.

I believe she really had one. The body was found. Busted. Otherwise she would have had one when they reported finding child bones in the river that may be Caylee . She was watching, no reaction.

[AJandTam]

Will the nuclear family and LA prospective in-law agree? Will the A's continue to support KFN? Lots of questions but the decision could be revealing, IMO.

This is a good question, as i've heard no reports of any searches being done anywhere but the A house?? Not Lee's, not KFN... KFN can be viewed differently in that they might not be able to prove they knew the chiild was gone.. They might only know what they were told.

[Lavenia]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

Yeah, that crawled up my skin again last night, too. :rolleyes:

[*MoonRider*]

Not sure Moon. Not a lawyer but I think if you did something you need immunity for, and you get immunity, you can't plead the 5th and not talk, or you lose the immunity?

I actually meant they would threaten to plead the 5th unless they get immunity. Just a thought.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

Questionable advertising for the PI firm, IMO.
jmo

[happygert]

IF it can be proven that they knew this child was dead. Then YES, absolutely, no way should they walk. Because if they get away w/it. You can bet your boots that others will try it too. They need to set the bar here for anyone thinking of such a thing..

IMo they knew Cindy's Call to 911 " I found My daughters car today Smells Like there's been a dead body in the damn car" George's Statement to FBI. I whispered to myself please don't let my daughter or granddaughter be in there. Once you smell that smell you never forget it. THEY KNEW.

[Lavenia]

I would say just his playing detective FROM DAY 31 is obstruction in and of itself. Once LE had been called, all INVESTIGATIONS should have been left to them. He should have told LE where the computer was. He should have given LE the list of the names of the people in Casey's life and let THEM talk to them before the A's had a powwow. IMO, of course.

And, Lutka says, not because he has done anything wrong? They might charge him with obstruction or aiding and abetting? Does this attorney think that is "nothing wrong?"

No kidding. How can you justify missing funds if you didn't investigate though? :rolleyes:

[SC7501]

Did she really have a melt down or was that Baez way to try to get sympathy for her? I have become so jaded over everything I hear. He said she had a panic attack and asked for a sedative. I know a person that has panic attacks and have been present when he has had 3. During all three he was unable to speak. He could not have asked for anything. Maybe Casey is different. Never-mind, I know she is different than anyone I have ever known.

I agree. I think that's why Baez was so upset that he wasn't allowed to break the news to her when the remains were ID'd as Caylee. -- He was denied the opportunity to put the "proper" spin on things.

[joolz]

Now that is a fairytale I would like to read joolz. :blink:

I know. This whole case makes me think of Alice in Wonderland, but a very dark version.

[Amy]

I really do not think that this "Dream Team" is doing it for the money....It is all about publicity....

There are a lot of scum out there that are loaded and would hire attornies that can at least get a hung jury....the forensic experts like to challenge the oposition...and also look to be hired by the scum out there....

No one gives their services to the likes of an individual like Casey without an ulterior motive....(maybe just legal aide) but this team is not that.....

This is the biggest case since I can't remember when....that is why they are taking it on....it's a power thing, take on the hardest...get a hung jury (that is a win for them)...and they become bigger and bigger...


But I do believe that this case is more then they have imagined and it will bring them down....Mark Geragos hasn't really been heard about too much after losing the SP case....IMO...I think that is what is going to happen here....

MG is around again. Have seen him several times in the last week, don't remember what show. He actually is making sense again, like he did before $1M got in his way of thinking.

[PuffDragon]

Just who does she think we are? You gots to be a smarty pants to read that! :chicken:

You said a mouthful. That's why I bookmarked it for later, I know I couldn't read it without putting my whole mind to it.

[Duckaroo]

Questionable advertising for the PI firm, IMO.
jmo

Apparently this PI firm has their own definition of what "truth" means..

[Nellie]

Yes,I have followed this case with my son on Nancy Grace every night.But I honestly did not think she would be found dead.It really bothered me.Caylee's a beautiful little girl.So I am looking into her case a little more.I do not think there was a cover up with Cindy.JMHO.I heard her 911 call to the police to find her grand daughter and I really felt bad for her.I understand if she is trying to believe her daughter in all this.I do not support Casey.But I do support Cindy.

I do understand where you're coming from.
I believed Caylee was dead early on.....just was never sure they'd find her little body.
I am opposite of you.....I cannot support Cindy because of all of her lies, story telling, willingness to point the fingers at others, destroying evidence, her contempt of LE and Texas Equisearch and others trying to help her. All of the lying seemed more of "cover up and damage control" to me......instead of grieving and denial. The media blitz was all about planting doubt in the minds of any potential jurors. They were using the media to help Casey. That all ended the day little Caylee's body was found, but I won't be suprised if it picks back up again. This is all my own opinion. I believe they knew all along that little Caylee was dead. I could be wrong....but it's what I have believed from early on by their own actions. And if this turns out to be true, then they delayed the discovery of their little g-child who was rotting away in the woods. And, for me, that is too much to give them any kind of support.

I just believe there is more to this story....

[AJandTam]

I think you're right----that's the whole deal about getting immunity. You get immunity for telling the truthful story, even though things will come out that you could be held accountable for, if you're given immunity, you can't be held accountable for them but I don't think you can have your cake and eat it too. JMO

That is how I understand it, if you get immunity then you are either going to roll on the person you agreed to roll on, or you are back where you started again and in big trouble again. Now the big question remains. If you don't know anything, then how can you testify to anything?? Doesn't that mean that you did know something all along? Meaning this is about murder, in order to roll on her, you have to admit that you KNEW she killed that child?? Not suspect?? right? KNOW

[joolz]

Questionable advertising for the PI firm, IMO.
jmo

That made me choke on my coffee. :laugh:

Wonder if this is the same PI firm responsible for watching the kidnappers?

[PuffDragon]

Wonder how and why she 'fessed up?

I see they may charge her for the costs expended in the search. Which I think is a good idea. It was a good idea for the bride, for Beth Smith, for all the others who felt, for whatever reason that they had to "disappear"--and for them to say they had no idea it would get so big is poppycock. Even those that remain a local issue, there are law enforcement costs for the search, to say nothing about the manpower that is diverted from real crime.

The cops were suspicious of her story from the start. She doesn't look to be the same type as Casey, she probably caved right away. And there's no report of her having any kind of a support system behind her, either.

[Lavenia]

I actually meant they would threaten to plead the 5th unless they get immunity. Just a thought.

The implied threat is present for all witnesses. Hopefully, LE can make a case without needing their testimony and then LE can be free to pursue what they want against the A's (IF they did do someting for which they need immunity.)

[*MoonRider*]

IMo they knew Cindy's Call to 911 " I found My daughters car today Smells Like there's been a dead body in the damn car" George's Statement to FBI. I whispered to myself please don't let my daughter or granddaughter be in there. Once you smell that smell you never forget it. THEY KNEW.

Let's not forget the air and hair test which was released to the public while Casey was still out on bond. All the answers were in their house with the one person who knew the truth.

[Duckaroo]

That made me choke on my coffee. :laugh:

Wonder if this is the same PI firm responsible for watching the kidnappers?

Probably so...and I'm guessing their office must be located second star to the right and straight on til' morning.

[need2no]

Some people think they need a lawyer when they are this closely related to a crime of this magnitude. However, the attorney they hire probably wouldn't be talking about immunity and charges filed against them... unless there was reason to believe that this was going to happen. JMO

I agree, but since you have the right to have an attorney present before being questioned by LE...one might think Lee already has some very good reasons to be concerned enough to retain an attorney.

Perhaps an interview between Lee and LE has already been scheduled.

[Amy]

Do any of you think that Baez will be dismissed from the team when the pre trial hearing comes about? He isn't murder 1 classified is he? Doesn't he have to have several cases in his resume? What if it is a DP case?

He has a DP qualified lawyer on the team. It's like anything else, how are you going to get experience if you can't do something because you have no experience?

[AJandTam]

I actually meant they would threaten to plead the 5th unless they get immunity. Just a thought.

Got ya...

They could try that, but IMHO, this murder was so stinking sloppy, they don't really have a bargaining chip....

[PuffDragon]

Did she really have a melt down or was that Baez way to try to get sympathy for her? I have become so jaded over everything I hear. He said she had a panic attack and asked for a sedative. I know a person that has panic attacks and have been present when he has had 3. During all three he was unable to speak. He could not have asked for anything. Maybe Casey is different. Never-mind, I know she is different than anyone I have ever known.

I can't believe she had a panic attack. In the first place, he wasn't even there, so how does he know what she really had?? In the second place, she hasn't panicked about anything, why would she panic about that?

[Lavenia]

Probably so...and I'm guessing their office must be located second star to the right and straight on til' morning.

:laugh::laugh:

[happygert]

going to be interesting to see how casey reacts to seeing G ,C and Lee in courtroom.

[PuffDragon]

She makes my skin crawl. FGS, she treated her hamster better. At least he apparently got a burial in those woods IMO. :crying:

I don't even believe the hamster story. Do we have any evidence of a pet hamster? Do we even believe that Casey would have cared if her hamster died? More spin, IMO, aimed at humanizing.

[spiritwolf46]

Here is another website & this one looks like a goldmine. I'm leaving this with y'all & I hope someone or several someones can peruse it. I'm outta here for I don't know how long - just got a phone call that my DH is on his way to the ER via ambulence with chest pains & he's a cardiac patient to begin with...

(sorry to go O/T, hope to catch up later & that this ER visit will be much ado about not too much)

http://www.cassiopaea.com/cassiopaea/psychopaths_in_history.htm


:rose: For you and your husband. Prayers that all is going to okay!

[Cury-us Coyote]

This is a good question, as i've heard no reports of any searches being done anywhere but the A house?? Not Lee's, not KFN... KFN can be viewed differently in that they might not be able to prove they knew the chiild was gone.. They might only know what they were told.

IIRC, LA was in the lobby of the FL FBI headquarters the day of GA and CinA's interviews. Allegedly LA completed CA's personality profile but if LA was interviewed that interview transcript/video was never released.
jmo

[AJandTam]

I agree, but since you have the right to have an attorney present before being questioned by LE...one might think Lee already has some very good reasons to be concerned enough to retain an attorney.

Perhaps an interview between Lee and LE has already been scheduled.

You do have a right to have an attorney present, but don't you also have a right to keep your mouth shut and not speak to the LE at all. Ask that wretched Jason Young... he still hasn't spoken to the LE over his wifes murder as far as i know. ... Grrrrrrrrrr

[Anakerie]

IMo they knew Cindy's Call to 911 " I found My daughters car today Smells Like there's been a dead body in the damn car" George's Statement to FBI. I whispered to myself please don't let my daughter or granddaughter be in there. Once you smell that smell you never forget it. THEY KNEW.
Yes, they knew. From the very beginning they knew something BAD had happened. But later, they chose to ignore their first instincts in order to "protect" Casey once they found her at Tony's.

[PuffDragon]

Now that is a fairytale I would like to read joolz. :blink:

It's in the book "Groan's Fairy Tales".

[happygert]

He has a DP qualified lawyer on the team. It's like anything else, how are you going to get experience if you can't do something because you have no experience?

He no longer has DP attorney on this case Lenamon resigned unless there's another one he's brought in. He resigned when DP was taken off the table

[Mamie]

That is how I understand it, if you get immunity then you are either going to roll on the person you agreed to roll on, or you are back where you started again and in big trouble again. Now the big question remains. If you don't know anything, then how can you testify to anything?? Doesn't that mean that you did know something all along? Meaning this is about murder, in order to roll on her, you have to admit that you KNEW she killed that child?? Not suspect?? right? KNOW

Yes, it has to be something indisputable and tangible (so to speak). Not a feeling, not just suspecting. They could all be accessories after the fact. They got together somehow on the June 9th date. That, in itself, is amazing. JMO

[*MoonRider*]

One thing I was wondering about was during the interviews LE had with Casey at US, when she admitted she lied about working there..
Why didn't LE question her about the 'smell of death' in her car, in relation to her daughter being missing and having been led to a place she said she had an office, etc etc..

I think they were working on a missing child case and had been all over Orlando looking for a Nanny with Casey. They picked up the car after she was arrested IIRC. I always wondered why they didn't ask her what Caylee was wearing when she last saw her :confused:

[Amy]

ITA with you I have never seen anyone that could lie like she can and not show one bit of anything. I listen to her talking to le and even when they tell her something is a lie and she sayes yes then she goes right back to the same lie.she is the first one I have ever seen like this and I sure hope it is the last one. I am sure if she is put on the stand she will keep on beingjust like she is now.jmho

Oh, I see them in real life. Just go right on like you didn't correct their lie. The only difference is, the ones I know didn't murder anyone, let alone their 2 year old daughter. But they don't bat an eye when you correct them.

[Lavenia]

I can't believe she had a panic attack. In the first place, he wasn't even there, so how does he know what she really had?? In the second place, she hasn't panicked about anything, why would she panic about that?

I'm still skeptical about it because of the whole "sedative" thing. I worked in prisons that had bonafide TERRIBLE mental illnesses and I can assure you, there were no sedatives. Anti-psychotics yes. Anti-anxiety meds, no.

They don't care if you have a panic attack. So what? Uncomfortable as hell, scary as all get out, but unless you have an underlying disorder, it ain't gonna kill you. Inmates would be feigning P/A's all day to get some of the very sedatives that landed many there in the first place.

Now she may have *asked*, but I bet she can ask for lobster, too. She better not draw the butter just yet, though. :wink:

[AJandTam]

IIRC, LA was in the lobby of the FL FBI headquarters the day of GA and CinA's interviews. Allegedly LA completed CA's personality profile but if LA was interviewed that interview transcript/video was never released.
jmo

This is news to me, somehow I missed that little tidbit of information. Thank you very much Cury.... I just thought Lee didn't talk to the FBI...

[*MoonRider*]

Yes, it has to be something indisputable and tangible (so to speak). Not a feeling, not just suspecting. They could all be accessories after the fact. They got together somehow on the June 9th date. That, in itself, is amazing. JMO

Casey said it was 31 days which was correct. I think Cindy planted the June 9th date and as usual they do whatever Cindy says. IMO

[Amy]

I totally agree. When the hair and air tests came back should have been the end of the charade. That's when they got off their azzes to spin more. Now would be a great time for them to thank everyone and try to heal the wounds with Cindy's family. JMO

Even if they had Baez try to get Casey to come clean then (or, IMO, they would have had to convince BAEZ to even approach Casey) and there was no response, they should have right then came clean w/LE on their own.

[AJandTam]

Yes, it has to be something indisputable and tangible (so to speak). Not a feeling, not just suspecting. They could all be accessories after the fact. They got together somehow on the June 9th date. That, in itself, is amazing. JMO

That's what I thought, your opinion, your fears wouldn't help you much, you have to KNOW something...

If they got together and hatched a plan June 9th, then those jailhouse interviews would put a whole new prospective on this case, wouldn't it... talk about a glimpse into the twilight zone.. Oh my GOD.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Gale St. John was able to zoom right in on the exact spot Caylee was placed ( have you watched the video ? ) I wonder what Gales perceptions are of what occured before then , what her senses revealed to her happened , anyone heard Gale comment on this ?

Video watched, but perhaps a different video than you watched. Zoomed right in was NOT my perception. Did the team find Caylee?
http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

[impartial]

One thing I was wondering about was during the interviews LE had with Casey at US, when she admitted she lied about working there..
Why didn't LE question her about the 'smell of death' in her car, in relation to her daughter being missing and having been led to a place she said she had an office, etc etc..


When I first listened to the interrogation, I thought LE missed out on so many opportunities ... they did most of the talking, they would talk over her when she did start talking, they kept telling her she was lying when she tried to answer their questions, they never asked her what she did during the days for the last 2 years when everyone thought she was working, etc.

They should have let her do the talking, knowing she was lying; and yes, they should have confronted her with the smell in the trunk to get on record her dead animal story.

IMO

[Amy]

And the publicity that he hoped to get from that case didn't work in his favor....so not even the scum will hire himafter the DP was instituted.


And, I too can not stand to look at Geragos....

I don't know who all has hired him since the Peterson case. But, he IS the attorney of note who filed the case of the tiger mauling brothers in their quest to sue SanFran and the Zoo. The bros have been in other legal problems since that, but I don't recall if MG is representing them in any of that.

I must admit, tho, that none of his cases since 2004 have made national news, if he had cases. So, that means the shoplifting "star" has stayed out of trouble, or hired someone different.

[Amy]

what is so shocking and jaw dropping is her making things up in such minute detail, talking about the nanny, where she shops, the restaurants she goes to; it makes you just sit there and stare at the TV with your mouth open; speechless; i have never seen anything like it; and even worse, is her completely flat affect, no emotion; when she says her mother will never forgive her and " I will never forgive myself" and " I may never see Caylee again"- she says all of this with no emotion; flat and cold; that is even more shocking than the lies themselves; a normal person whose child was missing would be sobbing and blubbering through the interview; this witch speaks in a voice which is as cold as ice; chilling to the bone really.

She did raise her voice, tho. I do remember that distinctly. Emphasizing that she had nothing to do w/the disappearance, when saying she would never do anything to hurt her little girl.

[Lavenia]

Video watched, but perhaps a different video than you watched. Zoomed right in was NOT my perception. Did the team find Caylee?
http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

I was NOT impressed! (At least not favorably.)

[nc1948]

I wonder the same thing............... When I look at her facial expressions that clearly do not match the moment , most telling is her walking with the target hooded shirt with hand cuffs that weird far away look , a look of smirking , it is not fitting , yet we see some looks that are ,such as when Baez gives his speech with Casey by his side in the grand jury endictment , she is then crying , WHY would she have had that weird smirk when being accused and then cry later ....these personality disorders are REAL and CASEY is the perfect example , just look at what her friends all said ,she was constantly changing to whatever situation called for , I do believe she has mutiple personalitys , its the ONE THING that sums up the whole picture .

Maybe one of Caseys alters did work at universal , and as she was walking with detectives at universal ,she snapped and said , no I don't work here , why did I take you here........I don't know she says .


Casey is ILL , its obvious.

You forgot the smirk when she and Lee high-fived each other. It was a doozy.

[PuffDragon]

I'm still skeptical about it because of the whole "sedative" thing. I worked in prisons that had bonafide TERRIBLE mental illnesses and I can assure you, there were no sedatives. Anti-psychotics yes. Anti-anxiety meds, no.

They don't care if you have a panic attack. So what? Uncomfortable as hell, scary as all get out, but unless you have an underlying disorder, it ain't gonna kill you. Inmates would be feigning P/A's all day to get some of the very sedatives that landed many there in the first place.

Now she may have *asked*, but I bet she can ask for lobster, too. She better not draw the butter just yet, though. :wink:

Yes. It was a really stupid thing to say, he'd have been better off just saying that Casey was very upset and cried. We wouldn't have believed it any more than we believe the panic attack spin but it would have been harder to contradict.

[Anakerie]

I can't believe she had a panic attack. In the first place, he wasn't even there, so how does he know what she really had?? In the second place, she hasn't panicked about anything, why would she panic about that?
Odd, isn't it? When Padilla's divers came up with that bag from the river, Casey had absolutely no reaction, just went calmly back to her cell. This time, however, she does react. She knew exactly what had been found in the woods. I would imagine she did have an anxiety attack of sorts, because she knew what was in that bag and who's skull it was. But, panic attack? No, I don't think it was a panic attack. I've been with someone who had a panic attack and there was no ability to "ask for a sedative".

I think Casey just had an attack of guilt, because she knew exactly what was found this time.

[Anakerie]

going to be interesting to see how casey reacts to seeing G ,C and Lee in courtroom.
:biggrin: I predict that she will smile at them, then wipe away a couple invisible tears.

[cuddlyrunner]

I read on a blog today that LE have confirmed that the book found at the body site is the same book as in the video-does anyone know if that is true??

[trich]

Yes, they knew. From the very beginning they knew something BAD had happened. But later, they chose to ignore their first instincts in order to "protect" Casey once they found her at Tony's.

Yes that is it in a nutshell.!

[PuffDragon]

When I first listened to the interrogation, I thought LE missed out on so many opportunities ... they did most of the talking, they would talk over her when she did start talking, they kept telling her she was lying when she tried to answer their questions, they never asked her what she did during the days for the last 2 years when everyone thought she was working, etc.

They should have let her do the talking, knowing she was lying; and yes, they should have confronted her with the smell in the trunk to get on record her dead animal story.

IMO

I think at the time they were really trying to shock her into reality so they could get her to help find Caylee. She wasn't a suspect yet.

[Amy]

In my opinion....

The Scott Peterson case brought down "Mark Geragos"..
The Phil Spector case destroyed "Henry Lee"..
And this case is going to destroy the rest of those so called "high profile attorney's"..

All they will get out of this is their face on camera....They will NOT be able to pull this off no more than Casey did.....


JMO....

Henry Lee doesn't seem to have been destroyed @ all. NG calls him--oh, gee, I can't remember all the words--but each time calls him well-known forensic expert. I think she even uses the word respected. Seems sincere about it, too.

[Lavenia]

ITA- i am thinking that the charges that could or could not come down on Lee are going to be rape. I would also venture to say that the fight on Fathers Day was Casey dropping the bobmbshell to Cindy and George that caylee is Lee's. I can wrap my head around rage - when Cindy and George didn't believe her. This is MOO - they are all very much a part of this, just not in the way everyone is looking at it. If Baez and team know this, that could very well be why they are stepping in as the "family"- still no excuse for murder of a very innocent child- but I am really quite sure that the secrets in this family are going to be some sick ones. MOO

What makes you think Lee raped anyone?

[kitty1182]

I read on a blog today that LE have confirmed that the book found at the body site is the same book as in the video-does anyone know if that is true??


I haven't heard, but it did look like the book to me..

[Amy]

I hope it does take them all down. When I look at caylee picture it just tears me apart and I don;t think much of a lawyer or anyone elce that will defend a person that would hurt a child.jmho

Part of our justice system dictates that SOMEONE will provide a defense for each and every person put on trial.

[PuffDragon]

Odd, isn't it? When Padilla's divers came up with that bag from the river, Casey had absolutely no reaction, just went calmly back to her cell. This time, however, she does react. She knew exactly what had been found in the woods. I would imagine she did have an anxiety attack of sorts, because she knew what was in that bag and who's skull it was. But, panic attack? No, I don't think it was a panic attack. I've been with someone who had a panic attack and there was no ability to "ask for a sedative".

I think Casey just had an attack of guilt, because she knew exactly what was found this time.

*Emphasis mine

Not guilt, IMO. Fear, maybe.

[impartial]

I believe it was said a week or so ago (fox, msnbc, cnn) that they were edited to preserve the integrity of the trial.


Wonder if that's true, considering the Sunshine Laws ... they were released in accordance with the Sunshine Laws, I don't know if they can pick and choose what to release .. not familiar enough with Florida law.

IMO

[steffaroob4]

Gale St. John was able to zoom right in on the exact spot Caylee was placed ( have you watched the video ? ) I wonder what Gales perceptions are of what occured before then , what her senses revealed to her happened , anyone heard Gale comment on this ?

Did you see this image someone made?
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/BHVIDEO.jpg

From Aug 13 NG transcript (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/13/ng.01.html)
GRACE: Let`s go out to Gale St. John, psychic team leader of The Bodyhunters searching for little Caylee Anthony.

Miss St. John, thank you for being with us. What did your search entail today?

GALE ST. JOHN, PSYCHIC, TEAM LEADER, THE BODYHUNTER, SEARCHING FOR CAYLEE: Well, we were able to clear quite a few areas today. I mean, you know, we did a search and re-searched in some areas. You know the disappointing part for us is no, we did not turn up anything as of yet. But we do plan to continue the search for tomorrow

[kitty1182]

*Emphasis mine

Not guilt, IMO. Fear, maybe.



I agree..She knew then her "script" was over..

[Mamie]

I know. This whole case makes me think of Alice in Wonderland, but a very dark version.


That's exactly what I call this case, too-----something right out of "Alice In Wonderland".

[Remy]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

And Lee told Casey in one of the videotaped visits that he found people who know Juliet and Jeff :wink:

[Cury-us Coyote]

This is news to me, somehow I missed that little tidbit of information. Thank you very much Cury.... I just thought Lee didn't talk to the FBI...

IIRC, during CinA's lenghty interview the agent advised CinA that LA had left due to the late hour but GA was waiting for her. No proof of LA's interview, afaik. Perhaps he spoke with a different agent or returned another day but allegedly he completed the questionnaire???
jmo

[Anakerie]

Maybe we have only heard segments of the interviews, and the most damning is to be revealed during the trial?
That is what I am thinking too. The investigators and prosecutors are holding back the most damning information for trial. This is a most unusual case for me. I've never seen so much information come out before the trial even is scheduled! But as much as we've seen, I'm sure there is a lot more that we'll see and hear about later.

Like what did they find in those woods that sent them back to the Anthony house to carry out all those bags, boxes, vacuum cleaners, chemical spray tanks and everything else?

[Amy]

Agreed!! She is very cold. "All anyone cares about is Caylee"

You'd think she was talking about the weather in all the recording we've heard. There is not one ounce of worry about Caylee. When she does cry talking to her Dad, she says she is not sitting around crying all the time.:blush: And those tears where for herself.

That is the one time I did notice emotions as in tears--in the jail visit w/Cindy and George. But, I do think the emotions were just because she was sitting behind bars, and wanted Mommy and Daddy to do something so she could get out.

[Lavenia]

Odd, isn't it? When Padilla's divers came up with that bag from the river, Casey had absolutely no reaction, just went calmly back to her cell. This time, however, she does react. She knew exactly what had been found in the woods. I would imagine she did have an anxiety attack of sorts, because she knew what was in that bag and who's skull it was. But, panic attack? No, I don't think it was a panic attack. I've been with someone who had a panic attack and there was no ability to "ask for a sedative".

I think Casey just had an attack of guilt, because she knew exactly what was found this time.

Hey anakerie! LTNS!

I think she had an attack of "what would a "real" mom be doing right now if a body was found so I can show LE that's what I am", not realizing she jumped the gun a bit and didn't do that for the "find" at BP. Oops. That's what happens when you are a pretend human. You get stuff like those fake pesky emotions thingys messed up sometimes.

[Amy]

Lee's lawyer doesn't seem too bright. Is he working for free too?

This is from myfoxorlando

"Luka adds that neither Lee, nor George and Cindy Anthony, have been called as witnesses in the case, but they are preparing for just such a scenario."
Maybe he should read the State Witness List where Cindy, George and Lee are all listed as witnesses. http://media.myfoxorlando.com/photogalleries/anthony/Anthony_case_witness_list.htm

He needs to do a bit of research into this case before he shows up to represent Lee before a judge in some hearing. Wonder if he volunteered, if someone recommend him (fellow CRIMINAL defense attorney?) or if Lee found him in the yellow pages?

[spiritwolf46]

:biggrin: I predict that she will smile at them, then wipe away a couple invisible tears.

Hiya Anakerie! :seeya:

Don't ya just HATE those "dry" tears?

[AJandTam]

IIRC, during CinA's lenghty interview the agent advised CinA that LA had left due to the late hour but GA was waiting for her. No proof of LA's interview, afaik. Perhaps he spoke with a different agent or returned another day but allegedly he completed the questionnaire???
jmo

Thanks. Somehow I missed that part. I remember Cindy's interview but can't remember LA being mentioned...

[spiritwolf46]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!

[Mamie]

Casey said it was 31 days which was correct. I think Cindy planted the June 9th date and as usual they do whatever Cindy says. IMO


You could be right about Cindy planting it. I know you're right about them doing whatever Cindy says! JMO

[Mamie]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!

No problem here (knock on wood). Are there weather problems where you are?

[cuddlyrunner]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!



Nice to know it's not just me!!!

[kitty1182]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!



Yes, just a couple minutes ago..

[need2no]

You forgot the smirk when she and Lee high-fived each other. It was a doozy.



http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/leswhaley/HighFive.jpg

[Lavenia]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!

Whoa! I almost just had my own panic attack! Couldn't get on for a minute. You're not the lonely only.

[need2no]

No problem here (knock on wood). Are there weather problems where you are?

No weather problems here, almost spring like, but I also got knocked off the board.

[spiritwolf46]

Nice to know it's not just me!!!

WHEW! Me too! I mean, sorry that there are problems, but glad that it isn't our computers. lol

Thank you all for answering!

[Lavenia]

Hiya Anakerie! :seeya:

Don't ya just HATE those "dry" tears?

They must be colorful or sparkly though because she sure likes to examine them.

[desmom]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

I wonder which "truth" Cindy was referring to........

Caylee left at Sawgrass?

Caylee kidnapped at J. Blanchard Park?

The cell phone story - it was stolen off her desk at work - at Universal and she filed a report, the phone may be in a purse, the phone may have been lost at J. Blanchard Park?

The Tampa trip - went to convention, convention moved to Tampa, Zanny had a wreck and spent a couple days at Tampa General?

The Jacksonville trip - Casey and Caylee were staying with Jeff..a trial so see if they could be a family, they couldn't come home because Jeff was having Casey's car repaired, they couldn't come home because Jeff's mom was getting married....

jmo

[True2Blues]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!

I had trouble just getting on in the first place. Must be a lot of people online today.

[Anakerie]

*Emphasis mine

Not guilt, IMO. Fear, maybe.
I think you're right. It was probably more fear than guilt that made her react. I still don't think it was a "panic attack", though. Baez has to say the "right things" in order to garner sympathy for a very unsympathetic client. Too bad for him that most of us don't believe a lot of what he says.

I'm still waiting for him to enlighten us and make us understand... lol

[nc1948]

Yep, in a "backwards sort of way" because this family is always "reaching". :lol:

absolutely that would be a red flag

[legalmania]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!

The board seems to pick on certain people I had my turn on the 24th my computer was doing a shimmy.

[Mamie]

He needs to do a bit of research into this case before he shows up to represent Lee before a judge in some hearing. Wonder if he volunteered, if someone recommend him (fellow CRIMINAL defense attorney?) or if Lee found him in the yellow pages?


Well Lee is an investigator, isn't he? He probably used some of those acutely honed PI skills he has on him just before hiring. JMO

[Amy]

I'm going with your theory, Mimi. It makes this whole mess much easier to live with. One question, however: If we believe Casey is just a twisted, "sick" personality, undiagnosed all her life, how responsible is she for what ultimately happened? Could she have stopped herself?

They know right from wrong. They just don't care, they do what they want to further their own lives and wishes and wants. But they know it's wrong. So they ARE responsible.

[kaelieanne]

Just still makes one sit WAY back in their seat and ask, WHY?, doesn't it?

I have never seen anyone as selfish, self centered, horrible, lying and EVIL as Casey Anthony. I pray that I never see anyone like her again.
:rose: For Caylee and all on this board who truly cares.

Bolding mine. I'm just reading the book, "The Sociopath Next Door" and it says that approximately 4% of the people out there are sociopaths. It sure makes you think about some of the characters you've stumbled upon over the years. And I agree... I just want them to stay far away from me and my family!

[nc1948]

Let's not forget that Cindy claimed that her investigators found evidence that everything Casey had claimed was true. :rolleyes:

Casey claimed she worked at US
Casey claimed she left Caylee at the apartment
Casey claimed she left Caylee in the stairwell
Casey claimed kidnappers took her at the park
Casey claimed ----yup everything Casey claimed has been proven true by Cindys investigators. I want to hear them on the stand

[spiritwolf46]

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/leswhaley/HighFive.jpg



http://i108.photobucket.com/albums/n22/spiritwolf46/highfiveone.jpg

[Lavenia]

Well Lee is an investigator, isn't he? He probably used some of those acutely honed PI skills he has on him just before hiring. JMO

He's the Jethro Bodine of investigators.

[Amy]

Thank you Sandy for asking this question in such a clear way. I have been asking this question for weeks now "in a backwards sort of way" and nobody gets what I am asking or they are jumping down my throat for how dare I even suggest that Casey is sick when she is clearly just plain evil. I still think she has some mental illness and it came across very clearly in those tapes during the NG show last night. Alot of her words just sounded insane to me. It was almost like listening to Andrea Yates with her devil talk.

Personality orders do not equate insanity. The insanity plea has to prove the person does not know right from wrong. People w/certain personality orders DO know the difference. But, they want what they want--and, hey, they don't have to live by the rules the rest of us do, you know.

[Anakerie]

Hiya Anakerie! :seeya:

Don't ya just HATE those "dry" tears?
lol, Yep! There has been something "off" about Casey from the start. I remember when they showed her strutting out of the jail when she was first arrested and she had that weird smile on her face when she came out the door. Then she looked up and saw something or someone that made her lose the smile and replace it with kind of a smirk. Then in all the shots of her, at court, in the visit videos and that press conference, the only time I saw what might be called an honest reaction was when they were talking about her. She has a blank face when Caylee is talked about, not at all what you would expect from a mother of a missing child.

The phony tears, the "wiping" of her eyes and then looking at the fingers to see if they are wet are so phony... It reminds me of watching Bobby Cutts do his "crying" while testifying. His lack of tears, just a lot of noise and hiding his face with a dry kleenex.

[Anakerie]

Has anyone else had problems getting booted out of the boards and not being able to get back in?

I was about to throw a temper tantrum!
lol, I was about to call my ISP and say FIX the darn thing, only then I found out that every other web page I was looking at could reload. Something must have glitched here at InSessions.

[nc1948]

I can't believe she had a panic attack. In the first place, he wasn't even there, so how does he know what she really had?? In the second place, she hasn't panicked about anything, why would she panic about that?


I don't think she had one either. She has shown no emotions so far, so why start now?

[kitty1182]

I think the day that Casey heard a meter reader had called 911 and reported finding a childs skull, Casey quickly ordered some snacks, because it would not look good to order snacks after Caylees body had been ID'ed.

jmo



Speaking of the "script" the nanny was suppose to give her, wonder where it is? Was it in the car, in her purse, in her pocket, did she eat it?
Now what did she do with it? :biggrin:

[Anakerie]

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/leswhaley/HighFive.jpg
I wish we could have seen what kind of expression Lee had on his face when Casey high-fived him.... Her's is inexcusable.

[True2Blues]

I think you're right. It was probably more fear than guilt that made her react. I still don't think it was a "panic attack", though. Baez has to say the "right things" in order to garner sympathy for a very unsympathetic client. Too bad for him that most of us don't believe a lot of what he says.

I'm still waiting for him to enlighten us and make us understand... lol

I agree with you. There are a couple of telling things, starting with it being said that she asked for the sedative. No medical person thought she needed it, she had to ask.

Panic attacks last from 15 seconds to a half hour, I've had them for years so I know what they're like. While repeated attacks may be treated with anti-anxiety meds, I've never heard of any medical professional recommending a sedative on the first one. Medication usually comes in only if they're a repeated problem.

The symptoms can be from several different things, a lot people who are having their first biggie end up in the hospital thinking they're having a heart attack. The Doctors will certainly check that before determining it's panic and by that time it will have passed. No one stuffs a sedative down the throat of a person who may be having a heart attack.

She was performing.

[spiritwolf46]

I wish we could have seen what kind of expression Lee had on his face when Casey high-fived him.... Her's is inexcusable.

I'd be willing to bet ya that his was exactly the same! :angry:

[kitty1182]

I wish we could have seen what kind of expression Lee had on his face when Casey high-fived him.... Her's is inexcusable.


Sure is..She looks like she won the lottery..

[Lavenia]

Speaking of the "script" the nanny was suppose to give her, wonder where it is? Was it in the car, in her purse, in her pocket, did she eat it?
Now what did she do with it? :biggrin:

She had it tattooed on.

[kitty1182]

She had it tattooed on.




http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif

[Mamie]

He's the Jethro Bodine of investigators.

:thumbsup: By the way, I love your signature line.

[kitty1182]

Don't you know that she had to memorize it- that's why she could not be concerned for caylee because all her attention was on remembering the script- LOL- Zanny couldn't have a papertrail floating around. IMO




You are right...
http://bestsmileys.com/reading/4.gif

[legalmania]

Well Lee is an investigator, isn't he? He probably used some of those acutely honed PI skills he has on him just before hiring. JMO

Well he should have given his sister some lessons. Leaving that book, I guess she didn't realize there was video tape with her daughter and that book.

[Amy]

Really? If she knows right from wrong, how come she is acting like a ho in these bars, relieving herself out in public, getting trashed and wasted, and talking about things that had occurred several years ago as if they had just happened yesterday? Ever listen to her speech patterns? They are insane. I don't believe she comprehends right from wrong and I think something in her mind snapped when whe was dating Jesse. Not that it was his fault but I think that was the beginning of the unravelling of Casey's mind.

Of course she knew right from wrong. If she hadn't, she would have called 911 when her baby was not breathing. She can go out doing what she has been wanting to do all along--she no longer has to worry about getting someone to watch Caylee, or to sedate her thru the night, if that is what she was doing. She can go on, because she has no conscience--SHE DIDN'T CARE. Not having a conscience does not equate insanity.

[nc1948]

Hiya Anakerie! :seeya:

Don't ya just HATE those "dry" tears?

She has to poke herself in the eye about three times and check her finger after each poke before she finally gets a tear.

[joolz]

Casey claimed she worked at US
Casey claimed she left Caylee at the apartment
Casey claimed she left Caylee in the stairwell
Casey claimed kidnappers took her at the park
Casey claimed ----yup everything Casey claimed has been proven true by Cindys investigators. I want to hear them on the stand

I'm sorry, I don't think that will be possible because the investigators are invisible to everyone but Cindy. Oh, and silent. Makes swearing them in very, very difficult. JMO

[Lavenia]

:thumbsup: By the way, I love your signature line.

TYVM Mamie. It gives me comfort, :lol:

[nc1948]

Nice to know it's not just me!!!

Twice now I cannot forward to next page. Have had to go out and come back in.

[spiritwolf46]

She has to poke herself in the eye about three times and check her finger after each poke before she finally gets a tear.

With a little bit of soap on the end of it.

[legalmania]

I agree with you. There are a couple of telling things, starting with it being said that she asked for the sedative. No medical person thought she needed it, she had to ask.

Panic attacks last from 15 seconds to a half hour, I've had them for years so I know what they're like. While repeated attacks may be treated with anti-anxiety meds, I've never heard of any medical professional recommending a sedative on the first one. Medication usually comes in only if they're a repeated problem.

The symptoms can be from several different things, a lot people who are having their first biggie end up in the hospital thinking they're having a heart attack. The Doctors will certainly check that before determining it's panic and by that time it will have passed. No one stuffs a sedative down the throat of a person who may be having a heart attack.

She was performing.


She stinks at acting and murder.

[nc1948]

http://i378.photobucket.com/albums/oo223/leswhaley/HighFive.jpg

I think that should be blown up and in the prosecutions closing statment he points to it and says "Now is this the action and face of the Mother of the Year" whose child is misplaced????

[Mamie]

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/5.gif


Ahhh-----bestsmileys.com is where you got that adorable little character. Very cute!

[need2no]

Casey said it was 31 days which was correct. I think Cindy planted the June 9th date and as usual they do whatever Cindy says. IMO

Cindy's birthday is June 5th.

Cindy said she was on vacation June 2-8, and June 30-July 4. *this can easily be verified with CA’s employer, so I assume it is true*

Cindy did not go to see her in-laws at the beach as planned because she was waiting for casey to show up with Caylee everyday, as casey had promised…per Shirley P.
*why was Cindy so concerned about Caylee if she and casey had left the house on good terms, and with a legitimate reason for going away for a week or so?*

Cindy tossed out a couple of stories (to the media) early on which created some confusion and doubt about her truthfulness:

1)casey had a job out of town

2) casey was going to take a mini vacation with Caylee to bond with her, and think about moving out of the family home in the near future

June 15th FD, casey goes home (for whatever reason), Cindy takes Caylee with her to ALF to visit her father. Later at her mom's house she learns Casey stole from their bank account, or has an argument with her mom about the situation and how she handled it.

Cindy goes home and has a huge fight with casey about the thief, trys to choke casey due to frustration and anger....neighbor hears the argument. casey bolts from the house with Caylee in tow, grabbing only the things Cindy had taken with her to the ALF....like the book Caylee 'read' to papa.

Cindy told 911 operator the 9th, and later the 7th because she got the dates confused since that was actually when casey left with Caylee initially. And/or she wanted to put some distance between the date of the rip roaring loud argument someone may have overheard, and may have seen Cindy outside screaming at casey as she speed off down Hopespring Drive (neighbors were likely outside on a lovely sunny FD). Too bad for Cindy she forgot about the FD video she made which proved she was with Caylee on June 15th.


Cindy also later claimed in the LE interview that she had kept Caylee in early June when she was on vacation. When asked...she claimed they hung out around the house and did some shopping. LE inquired where they shopped, and after a pregnant pause Cindy replied Publix. Hmmmm...quite the outing....Publix grocery store. IMO Cindy did not keep Caylee that week...if I am correct why did she lie about it?

Cindy and Shirley's statements about events in June do not match.

[joolz]

She stinks at acting and murder.


so harsh....:biggrin:

[True2Blues]

Of course she knew right from wrong. If she hadn't, she would have called 911 when her baby was not breathing. She can go out doing what she has been wanting to do all along--she no longer has to worry about getting someone to watch Caylee, or to sedate her thru the night, if that is what she was doing. She can go on, because she has no conscience--SHE DIDN'T CARE. Not having a conscience does not equate insanity.

You're right. People like Casey know right from wrong, they just think they're above it. They believe that they are so smart they can do whatever they want and not get caught.

Casey knows that murder is against the law. There's nothing that can excuse murder, except delusional schizophrenia and if she were suffering from that, everyone would know. Just because she thinks she shouldn't have to follow the laws, doesn't mean she isn't aware of them.

[legalmania]

Twice now I cannot forward to next page. Have had to go out and come back in.

You may want to restart that is what I had to do the other night.

[legalmania]

so harsh....:biggrin:

I know but she deserves it.

[kitty1182]

It more or less verifies she's concerned with her own self. Any mother if their child were missing, their life would be over and nothing else matter by comparison.



I wouldn't be able to walk if my child were missing.:sad:

[joolz]

You're right. People like Casey know right from wrong, they just think they're above it. They believe that they are so smart they can do whatever they want and not get caught.

Casey knows that murder is against the law. There's nothing that can excuse murder, except delusional schizophrenia and if she were suffering from that, everyone would know. Just because she thinks she shouldn't have to follow the laws, doesn't mean she isn't aware of them.

Exactly, True. People like Casey live by the rule, "Rules are for other people, they don't apply to me."

[Amy]

Revisiting Lee

http://www.wftv.com/video/17441792/index.html

Even Lee thinks he is above the law, and can spout misinformation to whatever suits his needs @ the time. For goodness sake, even the home owners assoc. wasn't able to stop the protesters, but he's telling the lady the HOA president sent him there to destroy a sign that was not on his property? GMAB!!!!!! Pretty darn glib, he was. (But I notice people did NOT believe him!!! lol)

[True2Blues]

so harsh....:biggrin:

Ah well, the truth isn't always sweet and pretty. :laugh:

[nc1948]

You're right. People like Casey know right from wrong, they just think they're above it. They believe that they are so smart they can do whatever they want and not get caught.

Casey knows that murder is against the law. There's nothing that can excuse murder, except delusional schizophrenia and if she were suffering from that, everyone would know. Just because she thinks she shouldn't have to follow the laws, doesn't mean she isn't aware of them.


AHHH, but she has never had to follow the laws. Mommy has always covered for her. Why should she have to follow the laws now. Ooops, murder is not something Mommy can take care of. But boy has Mommy sure been trying by blaming Jess, Amy and nanny. MAkes you wonder how many other times others have been blamed for the things that Casey has done.

[Mamie]

Well he should have given his sister some lessons. Leaving that book, I guess she didn't realize there was video tape with her daughter and that book.

Casey makes reference to the book in her taped interview with LE that we saw again on NG last night. When LE is asking her about the phone call she got from her daughter and she said it was yesterday that she got the call and something about Caylee was happy in the call and telling her this story about her shoes but she makes reference to a book (the book) to the police. I guess this was to lend more credence to the fact that the nanny did kidnap her because when her little body would be found, the book would also be with it? JMO

[spiritwolf46]

I wouldn't be able to walk if my child were missing.:sad:


The things that I would be able to do is get off my azz and look for her and then when I came home, collapse in nothing but tears and fear!!!!! I am with ya! :crying:

[legalmania]

Ah but she slipped up in the interview with LE about that video tape. When they were questioning her about the noon telephone call Casey said Caylee was talking about her story book and her shoes. She went on to say that there was even a video tape of her reading that book. She just failed to mention that the video was on June 15, which was AFTER the June 9 date that Zanny took her!

Oh my looks like she has some more explaining to do. Do you know how far the book was from the body?

[Amy]

Yes, I was BLOWN AWAY by all the DETAILS about the make-believe nanny! Where her mom lives, where she worked in the past, Casey even said they had a mutual friend. She had to know the police were going to check this out and it would blow up in her face!

Could Casey have multiple personality disorder? Could she have been Zenaida? It's all so bizarre!!!:confused:

MINOR details galore---IMPORTANT details--not so much. Like an actual working number for Nanny. Like an actual residence for nanny. Gee, she changes her number all the time--the one I have isn't a current number. (Now, would not the frequent # change be alarming to a mom? Any given time of the day, might not be able to reach Nanny cuz her # has changed?) Oh, I can't remember which apartment, I am just so used to taking her in, I don't pay attention. (Well, how about pretending you are taking Caylee to the nanny's--or was it nanny's mom--and get there the way you usually do?)

[Anakerie]

Even Lee thinks he is above the law, and can spout misinformation to whatever suits his needs @ the time. For goodness sake, even the home owners assoc. wasn't able to stop the protesters, but he's telling the lady the HOA president sent him there to destroy a sign that was not on his property? GMAB!!!!!! Pretty darn glib, he was. (But I notice people did NOT believe him!!! lol)
lol, He's an Anthony! When have any of the Anthony's earned our trust in what they say?

[True2Blues]

Even Lee thinks he is above the law, and can spout misinformation to whatever suits his needs @ the time. For goodness sake, even the home owners assoc. wasn't able to stop the protesters, but he's telling the lady the HOA president sent him there to destroy a sign that was not on his property? GMAB!!!!!! Pretty darn glib, he was. (But I notice people did NOT believe him!!! lol)

All four members of that family have that problem.

[trich]

They know right from wrong. They just don't care, they do what they want to further their own lives and wishes and wants. But they know it's wrong. So they ARE responsible.

This will probably be the only time Casey will be held responsible for her actions.
But still go on thinking it is still not her fault.

[joolz]

AHHH, but she has never had to follow the laws. Mommy has always covered for her. Why should she have to follow the laws now. Ooops, murder is not something Mommy can take care of. But boy has Mommy sure been trying by blaming Jess, Amy and nanny. MAkes you wonder how many other times others have been blamed for the things that Casey has done.

I have no doubt at all that the Anthonys have been finding every excuse in the book - including blaming others - to keep Casey from taking the rightful blame. My ex was like that with his daughter, and when there was no one else to blame, he could always find some reason why it still wasn't really her fault. I don't know if this is a pattern that can or does ever change, and it's a concrete mindset that is just impossible to reason with.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I disagree on the performing act here. I think she realized she was caught and did have a panic attack. Remember, she didn't react to when Padilla's diving crew found the bag in the Little Econ River. This time she KNEW she was had.

Are there summer school activities or club meetings scheduled at Hidden Oaks Elementary? Can you describe normal daytime and nighttime auto and foot traffic during the summer in that area before Caylee’s disappearance became publicly known? Was the access road clearly marked as a deadend?

School at Caylee Anthony Crime Scene Exhibits Grace Under Pressure
(700 children, 2/3 walk/bike, reverse 911 notified parents, counseling)
http://www.prweb.com/releases/caylee/anthony/prweb1796204.htm

[trich]

lol, He's an Anthony! When have any of the Anthony's earned our trust in what they say?


Yeah and they wonder why the public thinks about them the way they do.:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but this post gave me pause and a question arose in my head... about immunity... before offering it, (and it's the DA who does so, correct?) does the *offerer* have to KNOW what they *offeree* "knows" -- okay, like will the A's have to spill their knowledge and THEN be awarded immunity to testify?

I hope my question makes sense. I just remember in another case, the Margaret Rudin case, her guy-pal Yehuda Sharon, who was being investigated as a potential suspect/helper, was offered, and accepted immunity to tesitfy against Rudin. But when it came time for him to testify, he denied any knowledge whatsoever of the crime. So, in the end, the offer of immunity was all for naught. And because he was awarded it, he could no longer be considered a suspect...

If the Anthony's were to be charged with *anything* ... and immunity offered for testimoney against Casey, would then the charges against THEM be dropped? And what if they rec'd immunity but told nothing at all helpful... does that then mean they're clear???

Oh my, I'm sorry ... this is probably one of my most convoulted posts/questions yet! :confused:

It basically goes how you said but I'm sure in the deal they will have to testify to this also, if not immunity is off.

[True2Blues]

AHHH, but she has never had to follow the laws. Mommy has always covered for her. Why should she have to follow the laws now. Ooops, murder is not something Mommy can take care of. But boy has Mommy sure been trying by blaming Jess, Amy and nanny. MAkes you wonder how many other times others have been blamed for the things that Casey has done.

Regularly, I would guess. It's always someone else's fault.

[Amy]

It was posted on yesterday's board that Casey said LEE WANTED to have sex with her? Who did she tell this to? When was this, or was it ongoing?

The family is so dysfunctional nothing would surprise me!

I think it was to the Grund's (@ least Jesse) and one other person, where she mentioned that one time Lee was in her room either touching her or trying to touch her. Never saw where it was more than one time, and again, it comes from a pathological liar--who knows if it happened, or if it fit into whatever she was telling Jesse @ the time about her horrible home life. (Couldn't have been too horrible for her, being 22 years old and still residing in that horrible home.)

[steffaroob4]

Did we ever get the FBI interview with Lee???

[Mamie]

I think the jury will see the 'book and shoes' comment by casey to LE, as very very incriminating. Casey figured she was setting the scene up for when Caylee was found WITH the book, ironically it likely will backfire and be used against her. If I were a juror on this case I would have NO problem finding her guilty 100% of murder.

Yes, that's what I meant, too----that she was setting things up (giving more credence to her story) and I, as you, would have no problem finding her guilty if I were on the jury either. JMO

[nc1948]

I disagree on the performing act here. I think she realized she was caught and did have a panic attack. Remember, she didn't react to when Padilla's diving crew found the bag in the Little Econ River. This time she KNEW she was had.

Has anyone (Jailors) other than Baez said she had a panic attack?

[Mamie]

Did we ever get the FBI interview with Lee???


No, I don't think we have and I'm waiting with bated breath to see it!

[5boxersmom]

I think the jury will see the 'book and shoes' comment by casey to LE, as very very incriminating. Casey figured she was setting the scene up for when Caylee was found WITH the book, ironically it likely will backfire and be used against her. If I were a juror on this case I would have NO problem finding her guilty 100% of murder.

Yep and they took shoes from the house too.

[need2no]

Has anyone (Jailors) other than Baez said she had a panic attack?

No, and I'm thinking what you're thinking....:biggrin:

[kitty1182]

Yes, that's what I meant, too----that she was setting things up (giving more credence to her story) and I, as you, would have no problem finding her guilty if I were on the jury either. JMO

I would have no problem either!!!!!

[TealMermaid]

MINOR details galore---IMPORTANT details--not so much. Like an actual working number for Nanny. Like an actual residence for nanny. Gee, she changes her number all the time--the one I have isn't a current number. (Now, would not the frequent # change be alarming to a mom? Any given time of the day, might not be able to reach Nanny cuz her # has changed?) Oh, I can't remember which apartment, I am just so used to taking her in, I don't pay attention. (Well, how about pretending you are taking Caylee to the nanny's--or was it nanny's mom--and get there the way you usually do?)

I wonder if Casey pretended/or thought she was Zenaida. Where was she and what was she doing when she told everyone she was at work? Was she playing the part of the nanny? Where was Caylee? Is there any info out there on that? That's a lot of time that's unaccounted for. Somebody must know.:confused::confused::confused:

[legalmania]

Mamie, we see the threads of truth that Casey weaves and bobs into her lies. Like us, the jury will see it also. No doubt in my mind.
My husband is so glad that Casey is in jail, and hes right.
She will deservedly spend her life there.
He thinks Cindy, and possibly Lee, should get 2 yrs for obstruction,
and George should get probation so he can RUN for the HILLS as fast as he can.

Which is a lie because there was only a box and maggots don't smell like dead bodies.

[Amy]

I wonder the same thing............... When I look at her facial expressions that clearly do not match the moment , most telling is her walking with the target hooded shirt with hand cuffs that weird far away look , a look of smirking , it is not fitting , yet we see some looks that are ,such as when Baez gives his speech with Casey by his side in the grand jury endictment , she is then crying , WHY would she have had that weird smirk when being accused and then cry later ....these personality disorders are REAL and CASEY is the perfect example , just look at what her friends all said ,she was constantly changing to whatever situation called for , I do believe she has mutiple personalitys , its the ONE THING that sums up the whole picture .

Maybe one of Caseys alters did work at universal , and as she was walking with detectives at universal ,she snapped and said , no I don't work here , why did I take you here........I don't know she says .


Casey is ILL , its obvious.

None of Casey's "alters" which I don't think she has, worked @ Universal. After her going there with LE and their finding out SHE Casey Anthony) didn't work there, if an event planner that DID work there didn't show up (or call) for work (and Casey couldn't, she was in jail) SOMEONE would have called it to the attention of LE, there would have been someone to look @ Casey to see if she is the missing event planner. Nope, didn't work there under any personality or name. IMO

Since her pic has been in the front news for months on end, ANYONE who would have worked w/someone gone missing who meets Casey's description would have reported to LE. Surely, out of all the people she (an event planner) would have been in contact with, @ least ONE would recognize her. IMO

[legalmania]

I'm not sure it was ever confirmed that it was the book. From the photos I saw, it appeared to be close though. Although the investigators covered over nearly an acre, you can really only see the clearing where the remains were found. I went by there on Wednesday (I think, my days are all off, just call me Cindy) anyway, there is only a small area just off the road that was completely cleared of all brush. One memorial was right in front of that and another one was at the corner of Hopespring Drive and Suburban.

You were able to visit the crime scene wow that must have felt really strange.

[5boxersmom]

Suburban dead ends at the school. The area where the remains were found was not too far behind some houses on Hopespring Drive. (like just past their back yards). I suspect that Casey went back there very late on the 15th or wee hours on the 16th and could easily have gone undetected. Just stopped the car, opened the trunk and walked a few feet through heavy brush and threw Caylee away like garbage under a palmetto bush. Even if there were any summer programs going on, they likely would not have been at night.

But what about the decomp in the car? I don't think she put her there that quick.

[Regina.Lampert]

Cindy's birthday is June 5th.

(snipped per CW)


IMO Cindy did not keep Caylee that week...if I am correct why did she lie about it?

Cindy and Shirley's statements about events in June do not match.

Hi Need, I didn't quote your entire posts but you have made some excellent points. The wrong date that this entire bunch gave as the last time they saw Caylee has always bothered me. Hope LE gets to the bottom of it.

[legalmania]

I'm not sure it was ever confirmed that it was the book. From the photos I saw, it appeared to be close though. Although the investigators covered over nearly an acre, you can really only see the clearing where the remains were found. I went by there on Wednesday (I think, my days are all off, just call me Cindy) anyway, there is only a small area just off the road that was completely cleared of all brush. One memorial was right in front of that and another one was at the corner of Hopespring Drive and Suburban.

Have you seen Baez doing interviews?

[need2no]

I realize y'all probably scrolled past my long post on the previous page, and that's ok, I don't particularly like long posts either because it makes you fall behind on the board......

However, I'll just mention one point from my post....I think something important LE will have to iron out is where casey was with Caylee prior to FD. Cindy wants us to believe all was hunky dorey in the home until June 16 when casey left under good terms with Caylee to head off to work.Yet Shirley Pease stated Cindy forfeited her vacation plans (June 2-8) to go see her inlaws at the beach because she was waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I'm very curious what casey was up to June 2-14, and where Caylee was while casey 'did her thing' during this time frame.

[legalmania]

Suburban dead ends at the school. The area where the remains were found was not too far behind some houses on Hopespring Drive. (like just past their back yards). I suspect that Casey went back there very late on the 15th or wee hours on the 16th and could easily have gone undetected. Just stopped the car, opened the trunk and walked a few feet through heavy brush and threw Caylee away like garbage under a palmetto bush. Even if there were any summer programs going on, they likely would not have been at night.

I thought that George said she left in the afternoon of the sixteenth?

[True2Blues]

None of Casey's "alters" which I don't think she has, worked @ Universal. After her going there with LE and their finding out SHE Casey Anthony) didn't work there, if an event planner that DID work there didn't show up (or call) for work (and Casey couldn't, she was in jail) SOMEONE would have called it to the attention of LE, there would have been someone to look @ Casey to see if she is the missing event planner. Nope, didn't work there under any personality or name. IMO

Since her pic has been in the front news for months on end, ANYONE who would have worked w/someone gone missing who meets Casey's description would have reported to LE. Surely, out of all the people she (an event planner) would have been in contact with, @ least ONE would recognize her. IMO

The multiple personality claims seem really popular with defense attorneys. You'd think one of them might check on that claim. True multiples are incredibly rare. The rest are frauds trying to excuse inexcusable behavior.

[5boxersmom]

Any shoes taken, either Caylee or Casey's were probably already scrubbed down with Arm & Hammer by now.

Probably, but it won't matter if they have a shoe print on the bag or a piece of clothing.

[catdoc]

Referencing Baez's statement that Casey had a "Panic attack" and asked for a sedative, I would place good money on the fact that medical personnel gave her nothing that would impact her ability to confess. This would be a time, IF she was emotional (which is guestionable, with only Baez' word), that they would hold one last hope that she would break. When I was a young intern working at an ER that covered several local jails and the state prison, we treated "panic attacks" with placebos, unless in a VERY rare case we determined it was real. At the very most we would give "chilled Vistaril" an antiemetic with antihistamine like affects that caused extreme pain when given byIM injection when cold. Doctors don't have much sympathy for murderers either. They are human too.

[True2Blues]

Probably, but it won't matter if they have a shoe print on the bag or a piece of clothing.

That's a good point. I hadn't thought of that!

[kaelieanne]

Now, now Casey shows a lot of emotion---when the conversation is centered on her.

Did you see her giggle and get all cutesy when she told her mom and dad that she had eaten coleslaw?! That was just the oddest darned thing!

[Lavenia]

I haven't read the entire thread yet, but this post gave me pause and a question arose in my head... about immunity... before offering it, (and it's the DA who does so, correct?) does the *offerer* have to KNOW what they *offeree* "knows" -- okay, like will the A's have to spill their knowledge and THEN be awarded immunity to testify?

I hope my question makes sense. I just remember in another case, the Margaret Rudin case, her guy-pal Yehuda Sharon, who was being investigated as a potential suspect/helper, was offered, and accepted immunity to tesitfy against Rudin. But when it came time for him to testify, he denied any knowledge whatsoever of the crime. So, in the end, the offer of immunity was all for naught. And because he was awarded it, he could no longer be considered a suspect...

If the Anthony's were to be charged with *anything* ... and immunity offered for testimoney against Casey, would then the charges against THEM be dropped? And what if they rec'd immunity but told nothing at all helpful... does that then mean they're clear???

Oh my, I'm sorry ... this is probably one of my most convoulted posts/questions yet! :confused:


Gash, I hate to come across sounding like a criminal here, :unsure: but I got immunity once in a whistle blower type case against an employer. I went to an attorney because it wasn't a simple, call the cops kind of thing. But he thought he should ask for immunity for me because I was on the premises when the crimes (fraud, embezzlement, drug charges in a medical setting) were committed even though I had NO involvement. As it turned out, the feds couldn't have cared less in my involvement, but I did have the protection just in case.

My lawyer was very ginger in asking for my immunity. He just let the feds know that they wouldn't be surprised by any involvement by me and that I would fully cooperate truthfully against the people who did do the crimes.

[Amy]

Revisit George Caylee has been moved 9 times.

http://www.cfnews13.com/MediaPlayer2/MediaPlayer.htm?video=georgeanthony_101620081107&cat=Local&title=George%20Anthony%20Speaks

Another glib guy. He's personally been to "some of the these places." Yeah, George, when? Some of them had to have been in PR for him to say that is still where they are focused. Now, George has been on web cam, local tv or talk shows every day (@ the time that was shot) so, exactly WHEN did he take the side trips to anywhere, let alone PR? He wasn't off camera long enough to do that. Even if he caught a red-eye to PR (do they have those?) someone would have caught him leaving on web cam.

@ the very last, he is saying, yes my daughter has some responsibility in this, but we are taking the focus away from Caylee. (Paraphrasing.) HMMMM......can you expand on the responsibility comment for us George? Exactly HOW MUCH responsibility and in what manner are you talking about???????

[5boxersmom]

I realize y'all probably scrolled past my long post on the previous page, and that's ok, I don't particularly like long posts either because it makes you fall behind on the board......

However, I'll just mention one point from my post....I think something important LE will have to iron out is where casey was with Caylee prior to FD. Cindy wants us to believe all was hunky dorey in the home until June 16 when casey left under good terms with Caylee to head off to work.Yet Shirley Pease stated Cindy forfeited her vacation plans (June 2-8) to go see her inlaws at the beach because she was waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I'm very curious what casey was up to June 2-14, and where Caylee was while casey 'did her thing' during this time frame.

Me too. I wonder if Cindy gave the video to LE or if they saw the camera and and ask to look at it? See what I am saying? The whole date thing still bothers me.

[need2no]

Hi Need, I didn't quote your entire posts but you have made some excellent points. The wrong date that this entire bunch gave as the last time they saw Caylee has always bothered me. Hope LE gets to the bottom of it.

Thanks for reading, snipping and commenting. I think this date thing is so vital to this case. It's my belief something bad happened or blew up in the A house beginning in early June. If LE could find out what had happened I think it might explain a lot of what took place. Perhaps the only reason casey showed up with Caylee on the 15th was to try to toss Cindy a bone to chill her out. For all we know she could have handed Caylee over and walked right back out the door without even speaking to her.

[legalmania]

The multiple personality claims seem really popular with defense attorneys. You'd think one of them might check on that claim. True multiples are incredibly rare. The rest are frauds trying to excuse inexcusable behavior.

Well one of her personalities murdered her daughter.

[True2Blues]

Me too. I wonder if Cindy gave the video to LE or if they saw the camera and and ask to look at it? See what I am saying? The whole date thing still bothers me.

I've gotten to the point where I just take every word out of the A's mouths (all 4 of them) as a lie. It's always seemed that they got together and made up a story about when Caylee was last seen.

[destiny1]

Good afternoon, Everyone.

On June 2 -m14, WHO was Casey keeping company? That IMO will be the key to solving this case. although I believe that caylee was murdered out of spite and probably without much if any planning, SOMEBODY knew of her animosity and the capabilities of casey.

casey had no maney except for what was provided by the parents. OR, receipts from "boyfriends'

Follow the money trails.

[Lavenia]

Referencing Baez's statement that Casey had a "Panic attack" and asked for a sedative, I would place good money on the fact that medical personnel gave her nothing that would impact her ability to confess. This would be a time, IF she was emotional (which is guestionable, with only Baez' word), that they would hold one last hope that she would break. When I was a young intern working at an ER that covered several local jails and the state prison, we treated "panic attacks" with placebos, unless in a VERY rare case we determined it was real. At the very most we would give "chilled Vistaril" an antiemetic with antihistamine like affects that caused extreme pain when given byIM injection when cold. Doctors don't have much sympathy for murderers either. They are human too.

That was the ONLY class of drug I could imagine them giving anyone in prison having a panic attack, is an anti-histamine and if she got that, it's only because her attorney is obviously going to be a thorn in the side of OCCD while Casey is incarcerated. (Not an anxiolytic though.)

Chilled vistaril, :lol:. ER's have their own brand of "justice", don't they?

[Mamie]

Mamie, we see the threads of truth that Casey weaves and bobs into her lies. Like us, the jury will see it also. No doubt in my mind.
My husband is so glad that Casey is in jail, and hes right.
She will deservedly spend her life there.
He thinks Cindy, and possibly Lee, should get 2 yrs for obstruction,
and George should get probation so he can RUN for the HILLS as fast as he can.


You're right----these people just have enough shreds of truth in there to make everyone think they are telling the complete truth. (I had a husband like that once.) I think all the Anthonys should be charged too, but depending on their level of complicity and obstruction, the sentences might be longer I'm thinking. Poor George is spineless, I'd like to think he could start over with someone else, but then do we want him screwing up someone else's life with his problems? Maybe if he shed Cindy, a lot of the problems would stay there? I hope so for his sake. JMO

[True2Blues]

Well one of her personalities murdered her daughter.

Yes, and since they all live in the same body, they'll all go to jail together. I think there's only one personality.

[need2no]

Me too. I wonder if Cindy gave the video to LE or if they saw the camera and and ask to look at it? See what I am saying? The whole date thing still bothers me.

I was under the impression LE took the laptop and they 'discovered' the FD video. Didn't casey say she had downloaded the FD video the day she and Cindy posted the Caylee is missing stuff?

[5boxersmom]

I've gotten to the point where I just take every word out of the A's mouths (all 4 of them) as a lie. It's always seemed that they got together and made up a story about when Caylee was last seen.

IKWYM. Will we ever know the whole truth?

[legalmania]

As I said earlier, it was an eerie feeling to look at all the clearing and the No Trespassing signs. I had camera in hand but didn't feel right about taking any photos. My daughter stopped for me to get out but I said no, keep on going. The same day, the A's house was blocked by 3 cable TV trucks who were working in that area. I believe we saw a red mini-van in their drive but not sure about that. Their home is in very close proximity to the scene of the remains. Very familiar to Casey, very easy for her to get to, even though she would have had to tramp through some brush.

Well Cindy washed those pants, she said they were disgusting, wonder if they had dirt and green stain?

[Amy]

Isn't it kind of surprising that we haven't heard one word from the jail guards who see Casey every day? They have lives outside their jobs --- they speak with their neighbors and friends --- they probably go out for a few drinks together at local establishments after work ---- and yet, not a peep! Guess they are well cautioned not to speak of this, or we would have at least heard a rumor or two.

HIPPA laws abound in every industry these days. I would imagine that it would be easy enough to trace some info back to a particular guard, and his/her job would be history!!! It isn't easy to have people always asking you about things you are not free to discuss, they think you are rude when you say you aren't able to tell anything. "Come on, you can tell ME!!! I won't tell anyone!!" HAH!!!!!

Perhaps the people they associate with, their neighbors, etc, have enough respect for them and their job that they don't put them on the spot.

[Anakerie]

Good afternoon, Everyone.

On June 2 -m14, WHO was Casey keeping company? That IMO will be the key to solving this case. although I believe that caylee was murdered out of spite and probably without much if any planning, SOMEBODY knew of her animosity and the capabilities of casey.

casey had no maney except for what was provided by the parents. OR, receipts from "boyfriends'

Follow the money trails.
She did have the money that she stole from her grandparents and later, from Amy. I wonder who else she stole from to support her partying?

[Regina.Lampert]

I realize y'all probably scrolled past my long post on the previous page, and that's ok, I don't particularly like long posts either because it makes you fall behind on the board......

However, I'll just mention one point from my post....I think something important LE will have to iron out is where casey was with Caylee prior to FD. Cindy wants us to believe all was hunky dorey in the home until June 16 when casey left under good terms with Caylee to head off to work.Yet Shirley Pease stated Cindy forfeited her vacation plans (June 2-8) to go see her inlaws at the beach because she was waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I'm very curious what casey was up to June 2-14, and where Caylee was while casey 'did her thing' during this time frame.

http://209.85.122.83/0/139/0/e2893//e2893.gif

I saw it and responded!!

[PROPROS]

Hello all! I hope you all had a wonderful holiday...Went to my DH aunt for a visit and lo and behold she had a copy of The NE...they have an interview with Kiomarie Torres...Like in her interview with LE,she stated that "they" used to hang out in the zone and bury their animals, talk boys, eat junk food etc...She and Casey stopped hanging out because of Casey's hard partying ways. Casey dyed her hair,started dressing trashy and taking drugs (extasy and pot)..Said she saw a lapse of judgement in good parenting when Casey took (a 2 year old) Caylee on The Jaws ride and Caylee was terrified. Not sure if all this is true...just repeating what I read.mo

[need2no]

That was the ONLY class of drug I could imagine them giving anyone in prison having a panic attack, is an anti-histamine and if she got that, it's only because her attorney is obviously going to be a thorn in the side of OCCD while Casey is incarcerated. (Not an anxiolytic though.)

Chilled vistaril, :lol:. ER's have their own brand of "justice", don't they?


I appreciate you clearing up the myth that casey could request and receive a sedative...I found that very odd. If this were true I'm sure some inmates would request a sedative everyday they are confined.
Lord knows if I was in jail I would want to be permanently sedated. :smile:

[TealMermaid]

Does anyone know where Casey was when EVERYONE THOUGHT SHE WAS AT WORK??? Where was Caylee? What was Casey up to? It's a lot of unexplained time?

[legalmania]

No, I was only there briefly for Christmas with my new granddaughter and then had to leave very quickly the day after Christmas when I woke up with a sore throat. We only got to make the one trip over by the area. I still want to visit J Blanchard Park which is even closer to my daughter's. But now they may be moving away from Orlando!

I know about the sore throat I got walking pneumonia so board wash your hands after getting off. At least you got to get a visual on the crime scene and how close it is as Casey said she's close dad I can feel it. Wow she is so physic.

[Amy]

I don't know if it even has to be all that , it could just be the genes , Georges sister has been said to have serious issues, could have extended to CASEY..but when you look back too over the 2 years of tricking all into thinking she had a job ...........she texted all her friends that she was working and literally going into detail ,times she got off work etcetera , when there was no work .......that was one of her alters ............and then the MOTHER OF ALL , Casey was trying to coach and help her friends through life crisis 's ,she was said by some friends to have a mothering nature over them ....many things to look at from this angle ..............she was said not to be right since the birth of Caylee , maybe that is when the disorder went full force and opened doors to other alters.............the universal worker with all the friends who did not exist , but in her alters MIND ........the full 2 years this went on BEFORE the disappearance ,maybe this is what BAEZ has known and will be revealed.............maybe Casey is ZANNY and others too ................from this angle all the wild stories that have shocked us make perfect sense ...........because who if trying to appear innocent would throw out such bizarre tales , someone with many different compartments for their alters ....?

HER MOTHER, CINDY ANTHONY is the only one who said she was the mothering type, that her friends still call her mom (yeah, Cindy, and where are all her friends who still call her mom--any of them been around her since high school to actually do this, and have they talked to LE?)

I also have never heard any of the people on tapes and interviews who say Casey has not been "right" since the birth of Caylee. That was something the consultant Lenamon put in a paper to say why DP should not be on the docket. In fact, the only "change" I can remember her friends about her after the birth of Caylee was what a great little mom she was. Oh, I guess Jesse says she did change when she got a new boat load of friends.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I realize y'all probably scrolled past my long post on the previous page, and that's ok, I don't particularly like long posts either because it makes you fall behind on the board......

However, I'll just mention one point from my post....I think something important LE will have to iron out is where casey was with Caylee prior to FD. Cindy wants us to believe all was hunky dorey in the home until June 16 when casey left under good terms with Caylee to head off to work.Yet Shirley Pease stated Cindy forfeited her vacation plans (June 2-8) to go see her inlaws at the beach because she was waiting on casey to show up with Caylee. I'm very curious what casey was up to June 2-14, and where Caylee was while casey 'did her thing' during this time frame.

Short & long posts read. FWIW, IF an altercation occurred on June 15th, SP's missing funds was not the primary stimulus, IMO discovered earlier. July 3rd activities are also of interest and the mode of transportation after Pontiac left at Amscot.
jmo

[True2Blues]

I appreciate you clearing up the myth that casey could request and receive a sedative...I found that very odd. If this were true I'm sure some inmates would request a sedative everyday they are confined.
Lord knows if I was in jail I would want to be permanently sedated. :smile:

I'm not sure prison would be the best place to be unconscious! :smile:

[need2no]

Hello all! I hope you all had a wonderful holiday...Went to my DH aunt for a visit and lo and behold she had a copy of The NE...they have an interview with Kiomarie Torres...Like in her interview with LE,she stated that "they" used to hang out in the zone and bury their animals, talk boys, eat junk food etc...She and Casey stopped hanging out because of Casey's hard partying ways. Casey dyed her hair,started dressing trashy and taking drugs (extasy and pot)..Said she saw a lapse of judgement in good parenting when Casey took (a 2 year old) Caylee on The Jaws ride and Caylee was terrified. Not sure if all this is true...just repeating what I read.mo


I was appalled when I read this article in the grocery store...the part about how Caylee tried to climb on casey's lap and was saying "no moma no" during this scary ride. This is not a ride suitable for a 2 year old!

Check out this brief video if you aren't familiar with the JAWS ride:

http://www.universalorlando.com/theme-parks/universal-studios-orlando/attractions/jaws-ride.html

[Amy]

Did Cindy really say Casey got pregnant without having sex? OMG!:ohmy:

I remember Casey denied being pregnant and hid it for as long as possible.

That was @ Uncle Rick's wedding in HI when he was pointing out to Cindy that Casey was pregnant.

Casey didn't have to deny she was pregnant, because Cindy says in her interview w/FBI that she didn't ASK or CONFRONT Casey, she figured Casey would bring it up in her own time.

[Mamie]

I thought that George said she left in the afternoon of the sixteenth?

Yep, that is what George said. He said he remembered that because he was watching his favorite food show. Now whether that was the actual truth or whether that was something Cindy spoonfed him we don't know. JMO

[snowflakes]

After Caylee's remains were found, I believe the only person who had a panic attack was Jose Baez.

[need2no]

I'm not sure prison would be the best place to be unconscious! :smile:

:smile:

No, probably not, unless you are in solitary confinement like casey basically is.

[trich]

Mmmmm- the shoes and the book. LE goes back to the house on the third time to get items from both Casey and caylee's room. The book is said to be the one in the video- and I wonder if LE was looking Caylees shoe, truth in her lies????

I remember Casey saying something about the book....I also believe it was another input to set it up that Zenaida kidnapped Caylee.....just in case poor Caylee's body was indeed found....she knew that book was there because she put it there.
Just like she told Cindy she believed Caylee was close....yeah she was wasn't she.

[need2no]

After Caylee's remains were found, I believe the only person who had a panic attack was Jose Baez.

LOL...and he's the one who took the sedative, not casey. :biggrin:

[Amy]

Exactly, and they all came up with the same wrong date, June 9th.

Casey offered that as the last day she saw Caylee. This was during the LE interview at Universal. Interesting that her parents weren't present for that interview, but they also came up with that date. And, those tapes weren't released until way later.

Lee says either Cindy or Casey said the 9th that first night @ the house when LE was talking to them, and the other just went w/that date. The date was heard before the taped interviews.

[*MoonRider*]

Good afternoon, Everyone.

On June 2 -m14, WHO was Casey keeping company? That IMO will be the key to solving this case. although I believe that caylee was murdered out of spite and probably without much if any planning, SOMEBODY knew of her animosity and the capabilities of casey.

casey had no maney except for what was provided by the parents. OR, receipts from "boyfriends'

Follow the money trails.

From DesMom on links thread 9/23

Part 2
June 1, 2008
Amy returns from Tallahassee. She was living with Troy in Oviedo. Page 43.
Amy, Ricardo, Troy and JP go to Rock Star Karaoke at Voyage. Page 43 – 44; Pages 106
Tony & Casey attend barbeque at Tony’s friend house, lst time intimate, Casey did not stay. Pages 12 - 14

June 2, 2008
Ricardo and Casey break-up. Page 44
Casey and Caylee go to Tony’s apt. She brings food. Page 14 – 15
4:52 p.m. Tony takes picture of Caylee at pool at his apt. complex. Page 3

June 4, 2008
Troy’s B-day party – Amy, Ricardo, Troy’s friends attend. Page 44; Page 137
Casey, Tony, Clint and C’s girlfriend go to Troy’s bday party and met up with Amy.
Casey did not spend the night because her mom would not let her. Page 17 – 18

June 5, 2008
Troy’s actual birthday – Amy, Ricardo & Troy go to Dancers Royale. Page 44 – 45; Page 138

June 6, 2008
Amy totals her car. Page 45
Ricardo and Casey have plans for dinner, Ricardo cooking, Casey cancelled due to work. Page 106
Casey goes to Fusion. Page 45

June 7, 2008
Amy moves into Ricardo’s and starts sleeping on the couch. Page 45
Casey & Caylee come to Ricardo’s at 2100 hours and spends the night. Page 108

June 9, 2008
Casey takes Tony to pick up his Jeep from the mechanic. Page 16
Tony, Casey & Caylee met at Subway. Casey buys for the 3. Page 16
Casey & Caylee spend the night at Ricardo’s apt. Page 46; Pages 109 – 110
Last time Ricardo & Casey were intimate Page 125
Casey starts spending more time at Tony’s during the week Page 17

June 10, 2008
Last time Amy saw Caylee. Page 46
Last time Ricardo saw Caylee Page 112
Last time Troy saw Caylee, he thinks. Page 138
Troy’s in Washington Page 47
Mr. Burner, Anthony’s neighbor, leaves on vacation for Chicago. Page 161

June 11, 2008
Ricardo and Amy go to Voyage. Casey could not go because of work. Page 112
Troy goes to D.C. Page 139

June 11 or 12, 2008
Casey, Caylee and Tony go to Anthony’s house for to change Caylee before going to Mall of Millinnia to promote Tony’s show. They eat at Cheesecake factory. Casey did not spend the night. Page 20 – 21

June 12, 2008
Ricardo goes to Tampa Page 112

June 13, 2008
Amy goes to Jacksonville for another car. Page 47 – 48
George has “mini-stroke” per Casey and she can’t go to Jacksonville with Amy. Page 47 – 48; Page 113
Ricardo returns from Tampa. Page 112
Casey invites Amy to Fusion. Page 48; Invites Ricardo Page 113
Casey and Tony attend hip-hop showcase at Fusion Ultra Lounge. Page 21 – 22
Amy does not see Casey again until June 30. Communication is phone calls or text messages. Page 48

June 16, 2008
Mr. Burner, Anthony’s neighbor, returns from vacation in Chicago. Page 162

June 17, 2008
Mr. Burner, Anthony’s neighbor, notices Casey’s car backing into her parents garage. Page 163

June 18, 2008
Troy returns from DC Page 139

[Mamie]

I was appalled when I read this article in the grocery store...the part about how Caylee tried to climb on casey's lap and was saying "no moma no" during this scary ride. This is not a ride suitable for a 2 year old!

Check out this brief video if you aren't familiar with the JAWS ride:

http://www.universalorlando.com/theme-parks/universal-studios-orlando/attractions/jaws-ride.html


I'm appalled that the place where this ride is that they'd even let a two year old on the ride----I don't care if she is with her mother, I don't think their insurance would allow it! JMO

[Lavenia]

I appreciate you clearing up the myth that casey could request and receive a sedative...I found that very odd. If this were true I'm sure some inmates would request a sedative everyday they are confined.
Lord knows if I was in jail I would want to be permanently sedated. :smile:

Indubitably! :laugh:

[PROPROS]

Thanks Des, You are the bestest, most appreciated.

His Civil rights protected? HUH? Did you get that one? What is he referring too exactly?? Looking into leads? If he looked into leads, then he must know. It's all a bogus story, is he slow or something... Come on ....Interesting article...First off. Luka says"in the beginning the public did not know who was responsible for "Casey's dissapearance" ..DUH!! Also, Lee is cooperating...He gave his DNA!!! We all know how that DNA,came to be given. I am sick of LA! IMO, if his lawyer is coming out publically to state that he is worried about being charged....then he has something to worry about!mo

[True2Blues]

It was probably confiscated in the first warrant, which probably would have included all cameras, computers, etc. LE discovered the date on the video when they watched it. Then the A's had to start back peddaling and Casey had to come up with the JBP theory where Zanny & Samantha knocked her down and took Caylee.

That whole knocked her down thing has always made me roll my eyes. She didn't put up a fight when her baby was stolen? She was out partying right after and she didn't look bruised to me.

If someone tried to steal a child of mine, it would be On, and Mr. Adrenalin would be on my side. There would be marks all over anyone I could reach and if they wanted to get away, they'd have to fight me.

If she'd fought for that child, she would have looked like it. No nanny, no fight, no marks.

[kaelieanne]

I can go as far as the Anthony's saying and thinking "this can't be happening" having it all be surreal. But those stories from Casey OMG! I'm sorry but total outright lies without skipping a beat.

I"m even more disgusted with these experts who are going along with this charade.

I feel this way as well. Its one thing for G and C to get caught up in all the BS because they so desperately want their grandchild to be found alive. An entirely different thing for the professionals to continue to feed into their psychosis rather than urge them to get into counselling.

[Anakerie]

I was appalled when I read this article in the grocery store...the part about how Caylee tried to climb on casey's lap and was saying "no moma no" during this scary ride. This is not a ride suitable for a 2 year old!

Check out this brief video if you aren't familiar with the JAWS ride:

http://www.universalorlando.com/theme-parks/universal-studios-orlando/attractions/jaws-ride.html
Good grief! That is definitely not a ride a normal person would take a small child on!!

[5boxersmom]

I was appalled when I read this article in the grocery store...the part about how Caylee tried to climb on casey's lap and was saying "no moma no" during this scary ride. This is not a ride suitable for a 2 year old!

Check out this brief video if you aren't familiar with the JAWS ride:

http://www.universalorlando.com/theme-parks/universal-studios-orlando/attractions/jaws-ride.html

Wow. Do they let kids that little on that ride?

[Lavenia]

After Caylee's remains were found, I believe the only person who had a panic attack was Jose Baez.

Jose probably had to clean up a little bit after that.

[need2no]

I don't remember where I read or heard this but I think it was Casey speaking to one of her friends. She had said something about not even living at the house since June 9 (or for 9 days, I can't remember which). I think it was when Amy was pushing her for when Amy could move into the house with her.


Ah...you are correct, she said it in a text message and went on to state she would explain later.

[Anakerie]

After Caylee's remains were found, I believe the only person who had a panic attack was Jose Baez.
Now, that I would believe!
:thumbup:

[True2Blues]

Good grief! That is definitely not a ride a normal person would take a small child on!!


Ah but Casey wanted to go on it and all that matters is what Casey wants. No one else counts.

[kaelieanne]

LMAO! And there was Kathi Belich right there stating that he had NO right to do that! I love her!!!!

I had never seen that video before, so thank you to whomever posted it. I was actually frightened watching Lee walk up to that young woman who had had the sign. I wondered for a moment if he would actually strike her!

[need2no]

Wow. Do they let kids that little on that ride?


From the same link:

RECOMMENDED-
Ultimate Adventurers, Adults, Teens & Pre-Teens

No Height Restrictions for this attraction

[legalmania]

Yep, that is what George said. He said he remembered that because he was watching his favorite food show. Now whether that was the actual truth or whether that was something Cindy spoonfed him we don't know. JMO

I hope were going to see a new Cindy and George in 2009. I think they will turn against their loving daughter. It will be the hardest thing they have ever done, but the weight of the world will be lifted off their shoulders. I have to feel for them I can't imagine how this must feel, but Casey left them no choice.

[Amy]

I'm sorry if this has been discussed, but after Lee cleaned Casey's computer, couldn't LE retrieve the info even after everything was deleted? I thought everything on a hard drive can be retrieved by experts even after being deleted. Do they have the info that Lee cleaned off her computer? I'm hoping they do. That surely would be evidence against her or her character. I saw some posts stating that Lee could be charged for obstructing justice due to cleaning her computer. I'm hoping that LE knows exactly what he deleted. Thanks for your reply.

So far, it is conjecture that the charges of obstruction or aiding and abetting stem from clearing the computer (but a good, vailid conjecture.)

And, it is my understanding that, if LE has the hard drive, the information that has not yet been written over can be retrieved. Early on, someone said that Lee's job is in the computer industry (altho I have not read an actual link to that, but I do miss many links over the months) and, if so, he should have had enough expertise and experience to know that just erasing stuff on the computer isn't going to keep LE/FBI from retrieving the information. I don't think, in the couple of hours it was reported that he was @ TonE's to get the computer and her belongings that he would have been able to do anything more complicated--among other things, I would think that would entail some kind of software or something that he probably wouldn't carry on his person everyday.

[Joan-Pa.]

I thought that George said she left in the afternoon of the sixteenth?

I never believed George with that statement. He never mentioned that there was a big arguement the night before with Cindy and Casey, ( even the neighbors knew it, they heard it), and he is just 'too cool' in that statement.
I can't believe these parents didnt know that their daughter wasn't working.. didn't they talk about her job , didn't they care where she was living with their granddaughter? None of this makes any sense..
HOw about changes of clothes for Caylee? she didn't have lots of clothes with her for a young child.
I think we will find that they got their stories straight before talking to police.
I just can't believe that two adults didn't know what was going on.
Supposely Casey had not been living at home for a month, but on the moring of the 16th, she was there, had stayed over night, but yet brought no big laundy bags of dirty clothes from being away a month, and no one talked about a Nanny, or what Casey was doing with her while she was 'at work'...
Makes no sense.
and I don't believe George at all.. he is an ex cop, and knows what to do and not to do .
Anyone else with me on George not being honest?

And about the book, if that area had been under water for awhile, would the book still be in good shape ?

[Cury-us Coyote]

LOL...and he's the one who took the sedative, not casey. :biggrin:

ahhhh - that explains why he lost his razor.
jmo

[5boxersmom]

From the same link:

RECOMMENDED-
Ultimate Adventurers, Adults, Teens & Pre-Teens

No Height Restrictions for this attraction

TY. I didn't see that. That is just so sad. I would be frighten with the boat moving like that, let alone a 2 year old. :thumbdown:

[True2Blues]

I had never seen that video before, so thank you to whomever posted it. I was actually frightened watching Lee walk up to that young woman who had had the sign. I wondered for a moment if he would actually strike her!

If he'd dumped my dogs water and taken the bowl, I would have been the one doing the striking! LOL Interesting that he can only come on all tough to a woman who is sitting down, isn't it?

[*MoonRider*]

After Caylee's remains were found, I believe the only person who had a panic attack was Jose Baez.

http://bestsmileys.com/lol/4.gif

There goes his she's alive defense.

[True2Blues]

From the same link:

RECOMMENDED-
Ultimate Adventurers, Adults, Teens & Pre-Teens

No Height Restrictions for this attraction

That is disturbing. A little child might panic and fall out of the boat. I'd think there would be a limit of size if nothing else. Who makes these decisions?

[catdoc]

That was the ONLY class of drug I could imagine them giving anyone in prison having a panic attack, is an anti-histamine and if she got that, it's only because her attorney is obviously going to be a thorn in the side of OCCD while Casey is incarcerated. (Not an anxiolytic though.)

Chilled vistaril, :lol:. ER's have their own brand of "justice", don't they?

Well, It put a stop to "repeat" visits by an offender.

[suzanne]

Did you see this image someone made?
http://i33.photobucket.com/albums/d55/HPJack/BHVIDEO.jpg

From Aug 13 NG transcript (http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0808/13/ng.01.html)
GRACE: Let`s go out to Gale St. John, psychic team leader of The Bodyhunters searching for little Caylee Anthony.

Miss St. John, thank you for being with us. What did your search entail today?

GALE ST. JOHN, PSYCHIC, TEAM LEADER, THE BODYHUNTER, SEARCHING FOR CAYLEE: Well, we were able to clear quite a few areas today. I mean, you know, we did a search and re-searched in some areas. You know the disappointing part for us is no, we did not turn up anything as of yet. But we do plan to continue the search for tomorrow

I thought this was pretty impressive.I was very surprised at this.

[Amy]

Lee's lawyer makes it sound like he has done something. I couldn't read the actual article on this. I think, and I could be wrong. That we are guessing at what Lee and his lawyer are worried about... We don't actually know..

Lee's lawyer should perhaps say "no comment" til he reads up on the case. He says none of the A's have been called as witnesses, which I guess, TECHNICALLY is correct, seeing as how the trial hasn't started yet. BUT, all 3 are on the prosecutions' witness list!!!! HINT to mr lawyer--start going thru even the news coverage of this case, you will learn A LOT.

He also says that Lee has done nothing wrong. Then, he says, well he may be charged with obstruction or aiding and abetting, like Mr lawyer has not clue that these activities are "something wrong" else the DA wouldn't be contemplating charges. :shrug:

[True2Blues]

Well, It put a stop to "repeat" visits by an offender.

Good! :thumbsup:

[5boxersmom]

If he'd dumped my dogs water and taken the bowl, I would have been the one doing the striking! LOL Interesting that he can only come on all tough to a woman who is sitting down, isn't it?

He kept lying to the woman also. She would tell him no Lee they did not say that and he would go on and on. I thought she was a peaceful protester compared to what some of them have done.

[legalmania]

Good grief! That is definitely not a ride a normal person would take a small child on!!

I am sure Disney wouldn't let a small child ride the ride. I'm sure they have a height requirement.

[need2no]

Short & long posts read. FWIW, IF an altercation occurred on June 15th, SP's missing funds was not the primary stimulus, IMO discovered earlier. July 3rd activities are also of interest and the mode of transportation after Pontiac left at Amscot.
jmo

I agree, the missing funds were probably discovered and fought about earlier, I wish we had an exact date. Perhaps Shirley blasted Cindy for the way she handled this situation...once again not making casey accountable, and this is what got Cindy upset. On the other hand she could have been upset just because casey had been gone with Caylee for most of the month of June.

July 3rd activities are most interesting, including Lee and Cindy looking for casey, and Cindy's MySpace comments. Why this date, and not sooner, what prompted the search for casey?

Do you have any thoughts you'd like to share about how casey got around after leaving her car at Amscot?

[True2Blues]

He kept lying to the woman also. She would tell him no Lee they did not say that and he would go on and on. I thought she was a peaceful protester compared to what some of them have done.

I did too. That's probably why he picked her, she didn't look like one who would fight back. I love that little man who brought back her things!

[Amy]

I'm new here please be gentle with me ok?I'm just trying to learn more about this case.Why and when was lee cleaning casey's computer.I did not know this.I see pictures of a pretty little girl that is now a bag of bones.That is what she became.It's wrong.I just don't understand this.It all really bothers me and I guess I just really want to know why and I may never find out.

Either he checked and found stuff that would not look good for Casey, or perhaps she told him before he went over that there were things she wanted deleted. I don't know if he went to TonE's for her personal belongings that she didn't take when Cindy made her go w/her, or if it was so that he could get @ the computer, then bring all her stuff home.

[5boxersmom]

Lee's lawyer should perhaps say "no comment" til he reads up on the case. He says none of the A's have been called as witnesses, which I guess, TECHNICALLY is correct, seeing as how the trial hasn't started yet. BUT, all 3 are on the prosecutions' witness list!!!! HINT to mr lawyer--start going thru even the news coverage of this case, you will learn A LOT.

He also says that Lee has done nothing wrong. Then, he says, well he may be charged with obstruction or aiding and abetting, like Mr lawyer has not clue that these activities are "something wrong" else the DA wouldn't be contemplating charges. :shrug:

But George testified for the GJ. Wonder what the attorney calls that?

[Pretty Leaf]

http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=209

snipped


NANCY GRACE: Back to Dr. Henry Lee, who, as you all know, is a famed forensic scientist on the Anthony defense team. Dr. Lee, I`ve just got to ask you, you know, tot mom Casey Anthony was siphoning gasoline from her family`s car to fill up her own tank. How the heck are you getting paid? I`m sure you`re costing a pretty penny. Dr. Lee does not come cheap.

LEE: No, we did not get any pay for that and for — I`ll say, you know, this country, as you know, everybody entitled a defense. And many forensic experts, we do pro bono cases and that`s our obligation to our profession. As an expert, we look at evidence, doesn`t matter inculpatory, exculpatory, we report (ph) as it is. I don`t think should be labeled as a defense expert going to just for defense. Many time, found more evidence, inculpatory evidence, than the police found. There — you know, case history, case example, many time we`re allowed to work on the case together. Many of my cases, I let the defense expert observe. It`s nothing wrong.

NANCY GRACE: So Dr. Lee…

LEE: Nothing unusual.

NANCY GRACE: Dr. Lee, are you telling me that you are working on the case pro bono, for free?

LEE: Yes."


Did not read all thread so excuse me if this has been posted but Dr. lee doing case pro bono

[need2no]

I did too. That's probably why he picked her, she didn't look like one who would fight back. I love that little man who brought back her things!


:thumbsup:

Me too...I wanted to give him a hug.

[nc1948]

I believe I saw Sheriff Beary on TV saying that.

Thanks, I had only heard it from Baez. So maybe she did have a reaction. Don't believe it was a panic attack tho. The reaction would have been H-E-double hockey sticks, I may actually have to be accountable for one thing I have done. This will be a first for me. Poor ME.

[5boxersmom]

I did too. That's probably why he picked her, she didn't look like one who would fight back. I love that little man who brought back her things!

Oh I love him too. He seemed like a nice man. I wonder if the dog ever got any new water?

I saw them interview him after the remains were found and he had tears in his eyes.

[sunstar]

From DesMom on links thread 9/23

(respectfully snipped)

June 9, 2008
Casey takes Tony to pick up his Jeep from the mechanic. Page 16
Tony, Casey & Caylee met at Subway. Casey buys for the 3. Page 16
Casey & Caylee spend the night at Ricardo’s apt. Page 46; Pages 109 – 110
Last time Ricardo & Casey were intimate Page 125
Casey starts spending more time at Tony’s during the week Page 17


Thanks so much for the post! With these activities I still can't figure out how the date of Caylee's so-called 'abduction' got mixed up, even when she was being interviewed by LE. :confused: MOO

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone remember that day George took off walking and was visibly upset and about five minutes later Lee went in his car and picked him up? I wonder which way he walked and was it in the area where they finally found Caylee. TIA

I remember that but I don't know which way he walked. Very interesting though to think about it now.

hmmm

[need2no]

Does anyone remember that day George took off walking and was visibly upset and about five minutes later Lee went in his car and picked him up? I wonder which way he walked and was it in the area where they finally found Caylee. TIA


Yes, I remember. Don't have an answer, but that's an interesting thought.

[legalmania]

Or not. :shrug:

Disney is losing it with all that shaking it would be easy for a small child to lose their balance, no wonder the lawsuits at Disney have doubled.

[Amy]

I'm hoping LE has the person whose history Casey was so aptly attributing to Zaniada. From N.Y., and N.C. (S.C.?) mother Gloria, sister Sam, birth date, etc. That history will belong to someone else she knows, I think, and it would be interesting to present someone with the same one at trial. That would be a real oops moment.

I don't think she would have the luck for someone with the history--she used names of kids of one Zenaida, the Sawgrass contection w/another Zenaida. Probably looked up names in the phone book to name Z's parents (easy enough, if both are listed in the book, and common names, @ that.) Just any old date would do for bd--just had to fit her 24 y/o description. I'm guessing none of the Z's they contacted fit much of the history except the name.

[suzanne]

I do understand where you're coming from.
I believed Caylee was dead early on.....just was never sure they'd find her little body.
I am opposite of you.....I cannot support Cindy because of all of her lies, story telling, willingness to point the fingers at others, destroying evidence, her contempt of LE and Texas Equisearch and others trying to help her. All of the lying seemed more of "cover up and damage control" to me......instead of grieving and denial. The media blitz was all about planting doubt in the minds of any potential jurors. They were using the media to help Casey. That all ended the day little Caylee's body was found, but I won't be suprised if it picks back up again. This is all my own opinion. I believe they knew all along that little Caylee was dead. I could be wrong....but it's what I have believed from early on by their own actions. And if this turns out to be true, then they delayed the discovery of their little g-child who was rotting away in the woods. And, for me, that is too much to give them any kind of support.

I just believe there is more to this story....

I understand where you are coming from.I believe Cindy(they)wanted the police to look for Caylee alive and they were not doing this.I do understand her wanting the police to do this.I do understand getting your own investigators because they felt the police were not looking in other directions.Yes,it was probably total denial little caylee was dead.I do understand that.

[Barbara fl.]

I am sure he was being loyal, maybe also George being former LE had a grudge against cops and they grew up listening to George talk negatively about the LE? Do you really think if the LE had any forensic proof someone other than Casey was responsible, you dont think Lee would be in jail by now?

jmo



I never once said that anyone else was responsible but Casey....I would appreciate it very much if you would stop adding to my posts....
"BEING LOYAL DOES NOT MEAN RESPONSIBLE FOR THE CRIME" not in my books in any case....

So if you can read my post properly, you would not have to add YOUR concept of what I am saying.......Thank you

[neid_77]

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i just have one thing to say about this picture beyond the BLATANT DISRESPECT for precious caylee and heree it is..........barfbarf little witch thought she had everyone fooled!

[kaelieanne]

Let's say I have first hand knowledge here. I would tell you about it but my 10 year old son I had at 39 when I had a 20 year old and a 7 year old, is close by. :wink:

ETA: But I would still consider the pregnancy a result of "sex" anyway. We weren't playing Parcheesi.

LOL! :tongue:

[nc1948]

I've gotten to the point where I just take every word out of the A's mouths (all 4 of them) as a lie. It's always seemed that they got together and made up a story about when Caylee was last seen.

I agree the date is strange. I cannot believe that 4 adults cannot remember the exact last time they saw Caylee and that they all gave the exact same wrong date. But Cindy says unless you hear it from Her, george, lee or casey it is not the truth. So I guess I must believe them.

[need2no]

He kept lying to the woman also. She would tell him no Lee they did not say that and he would go on and on. I thought she was a peaceful protester compared to what some of them have done.

I wish the dog would have snarled at him...he probably would have took off running for the house. :biggrin:

[need2no]

Does anybody remember the date Ricardo said casey left in the middle of the night and came back without Caylee?

[Amy]

Caylee has been moved 9 different times and George has been there? Ok George why didn't someone grab her the first time?..Call LE, FBI. do something? Umm could the reason they didn't do anything is because its all a lie?
heres different places I can come up with where she was.
1) In the A's house. 2) In the A's pool, 3) in the A's back yard, 4) In Caylee's play house, 5) In Casey's Trunk. 6) At tony's but still in Casey trunk, 7) At target still in casey's trunk. , 8) at the bank still in trunk. 9) then in the swamp.

Poor guy, he was always one step behind the kidnappers (or, his PI was?) By the time they got to one place, they had already moved on to another.

He mentioned PR in this video. That early on, the only "sighting" that Cindy espoused was the one from Wanda @ the airport. I dont' think we had a lot of SPECIFIC sightings related by Cindy @ that time. So, were all these "places" somewhere in PR? Or, were they scattered around the country, or @ least FL, TX, Mexico? Funny that Cindy would say these places when she is talking about where Caylee might be--even tho Wanda says the woman traveling w/the "Caylee" she saw looked like Mark Hawkins' mother or sister, and somehow Wanda knows that is where the mom lives and thinks Mark Hawkins somehow has Caylee.

[Duckaroo]

Zanny the nanny is so friggedy Bogus it makes me GRRR every time I think of her even trying to use a story like that. CA was so protective over Caylee that she would have never met this woman? Never had an emergency number for her after she's been her "nanny" for that long and Caylee wouldn't have openly talked more about her to people, no friends ever met her not one time either, she gives the name of someone that's supposedly hooked her up with the nanny, who it turned out never had a Zanny Nanny or ever referred a Nanny to Casey, and what..did she not think someone would think to ask the guy?Then Zanny decides shes gonna kidnap Caylee..what for? What motive..because she wants to keep her? She sits down and supposedly writes a script for Casey to follow..and then she kills and dumps this baby, the baby that she supposedly loved so much I guess..that she was willing to commit a serious crime and kidnap her so she could have her as her own. She supposedly had a key to the house..I mean, if she was that swift to write a script. She could have used her key to come into the house and got Caylee while everyone was sleeping, without making herself known as the kidnapper. Of course that would be if the woman ever existed..which I and I'm sure most others don't believe at all.

K..sorry for my little Zanny rant. :cursing: