Caylee Anthony - Dec 26/08

[ellegna]

Please take a moment to light a Candle for Caylee :rose:

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/candles.gif

[ellegna]

Caylee Anthony will join 'the angels on the wall' (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-memorial2508dec25,0,6529620.story)

[Mimi428]

Thanks for starting the daily thread. I'm just now catching up to reading the last of yesterday's thread. Lots of very insightful posts discussing the pathology of Casey's personality.

[k_can004]

Good mornin everyone..... hope ya'll had a Merry Christmas (or Holiday).... Goin to catch up on some reading..... bbs :)

[Regina.Lampert]

Good morning everyone. Beautiful candle images Ell, thanks for the thread and link.

Mimi, I thought so too and particularly liked this one by Joe:

eastside joe -If you followed this case from ground zero, you may recognize the motivation surrounding this descipable, diabolical, crime was fueled in large part by the Casey vs. Cindy Never Ending Battle Royal that apparently existed since Casey was in her middle school years. IMO This crime was committed by Casey to satisfy her own intense desire to punish her mother Cindy as a result of their June 15th argument/fight.

IMO

Only I would add the secondary motifivation of getting rid of her "anchor" so that she could have the truly single life she wanted in order to go clubbing, dancing and enjoying her new lover.

[ellegna]

Donor Gives to Caylee Anthony Memorial

December 25, 2008 - 4:38 PM
Tara Simone

'Tis the season for giving, even in the wake of the tragedy of little Caylee Anthony. An anonymous donor dropped off 125 toys from Bloomingdale's to Caylee's memorial site in central Florida. The secret Santa was said to be inspired by Caylee to help other children in need. Workers from the Orlando Union Rescue Mission handed out the toys to 84 children currently in their custody.


http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4712180___article.html/caylee_memorial.html

video (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/24/Growing-memorial-for-Caylee/1230147838.html)

That was a wonderful gesture :thumbsup:

[Katt2]

Good morning everyone. Beautiful candle images Ell, thanks for the thread and link.

Mimi, I thought so too and particularly liked this one by Joe:

eastside joe -If you followed this case from ground zero, you may recognize the motivation surrounding this descipable, diabolical, crime was fueled in large part by the Casey vs. Cindy Never Ending Battle Royal that apparently existed since Casey was in her middle school years. IMO This crime was committed by Casey to satisfy her own intense desire to punish her mother Cindy as a result of their June 15th argument/fight.

IMO

Only I would add the secondary motifivation of getting rid of her "anchor" so that she could have the truly single life she wanted in order to go clubbing, dancing and enjoying her new lover.

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?

[k_can004]

Donor Gives to Caylee Anthony Memorial

December 25, 2008 - 4:38 PM
Tara Simone

'Tis the season for giving, even in the wake of the tragedy of little Caylee Anthony. An anonymous donor dropped off 125 toys from Bloomingdale's to Caylee's memorial site in central Florida. The secret Santa was said to be inspired by Caylee to help other children in need. Workers from the Orlando Union Rescue Mission handed out the toys to 84 children currently in their custody.


http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4712180___article.html/caylee_memorial.html

video (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/24/Growing-memorial-for-Caylee/1230147838.html)

That was a wonderful gesture :thumbsup:



Wow.... that was wonderful..... :rose: CAYLEE

[*MoonRider*]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/caylee2.jpg

Hope everyone had a joyous Christmas knowing that Caylee is in a better place.

[book]

Good morning everyone. Beautiful candle images Ell, thanks for the thread and link.

Mimi, I thought so too and particularly liked this one by Joe:

eastside joe -If you followed this case from ground zero, you may recognize the motivation surrounding this descipable, diabolical, crime was fueled in large part by the Casey vs. Cindy Never Ending Battle Royal that apparently existed since Casey was in her middle school years. IMO This crime was committed by Casey to satisfy her own intense desire to punish her mother Cindy as a result of their June 15th argument/fight.

IMO

Only I would add the secondary motifivation of getting rid of her "anchor" so that she could have the truly single life she wanted in order to go clubbing, dancing and enjoying her new lover.



So why not give this baby to her mother to raise? Why the hate? Casey will spend many years in prison for this 'desire to punish' her mother. She won't be able to go dancing etc. anymore. I just don't understand some people.

MOO

[book]

Moonrider: What a beautiful picture. Thanks for sharing.

[Mimi428]

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?

Great observation!

I think Casey got a lot of mileage out of portraying her mother as being the source of all misery & terror for her. I'm not saying I don't think Cindy has a very strong personality, but if we are to believe the family emails, Cindy had more than one occasion in which she paid for, paid for & KEPT paying for the financial follies of both Casey AND George.

It seems very obvious (to me, at least) that Casey had no fear whatsoever of her mother when she was cussing up a blue streak to her on the phone, demanding TonE's phone number, etc.

JMO

[spageddy]

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?
Good Boxing Day Morning, Hope you all had a peaceful Christmas.
As the the above quote...I don't think Casey is afraid of anyone. She wasn't even nervous being questioned by LE. It seems to me that the reverse is true. Cindy is afraid of Casey- or at least she's afraid of what Casey is capable of. Listen to those jailhouse tapes. The A's tippy-toe around Casey. I'll betcha it was the same at home (X100). Everyone worried about what Casey would do if provoked. And they were right: Look what she did! Lots of people think she killed Caylee to get back at Cindy . I agree.
So Casey afraid of Cindy? I don't believe it. It wouldn't even surprise me if that comment was made just to make Cindy look bad.

[Regina.Lampert]

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?

You're right KittKatt. You know, I think when all is said and done, when all the evidence is in and looked at, all these jurors have to do is listen to that first jailhouse tape to be able to convict casey anthony:

"Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste." - said to Christine Chester as she was crying over Caylee.

There is no getting around this cold, callous and hateful response from casey anthony who is supposed to be "upset" over a kidnapped daughter. imo.

[msgatorslayer]

Great observation!

I think Casey got a lot of mileage out of portraying her mother as being the source of all misery & terror for her. I'm not saying I don't think Cindy has a very strong personality, but if we are to believe the family emails, Cindy had more than one occasion in which she paid for, paid for & KEPT paying for the financial follies of both Casey AND George.

It seems very obvious (to me, at least) that Casey had no fear whatsoever of her mother when she was cussing up a blue streak to her on the phone, demanding TonE's phone number, etc.

JMO

Morning. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas!

Casey isn't terrified of Cindy. She was trying to justify and excuse herself to LE for not calling to report Caylee missing for 31 days by blaming it on her fear of Cindy. IMO

[breezie]

You're right KittKatt. You know, I think when all is said and done, when all the evidence is in and looked at, all these jurors have to do is listen to that first jailhouse tape to be able to convict casey anthony:

"Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste." - said to Christine Chester as she was crying over Caylee.

There is no getting around this cold, callous and hateful response from casey anthony who is supposed to be "upset" over a kidnapped daughter. imo.



exactly. That was a glimpse into the real family dynamics...before they knew about taping and what the public would think of them. I think all the tiptoeing around later was just trying to keep up the facade of a loving family. Look how hard it is for them to stay calm. Heck, they won't even visit to mourn Caylee together because they are so afraid of what they'll say. That speaks volumes, too. If it were my child, and I truly felt she was innocent, no defense lawyer would keep me from sharing the pain of loss with her.

I don't think any of them wants to actually see the other.

[*MoonRider*]

You're right KittKatt. You know, I think when all is said and done, when all the evidence is in and looked at, all these jurors have to do is listen to that first jailhouse tape to be able to convict casey anthony:

"Oh, my God. Calling you guys, a waste. A huge waste." - said to Christine Chester as she was crying over Caylee.

There is no getting around this cold, callous and hateful response from casey anthony who is supposed to be "upset" over a kidnapped daughter. imo.



I noticed in the jailhouse interviews Casey never asked if there were any news or updates about Caylee. It's all about her. "I haven't been crying in here, I ate coleslaw, I like bagels too." Whenever Cindy asked a serious question Casey changes the subject. Very telling indeed. JMO

[MissouriGMom]

Today is my granddaughter's 4th birthday. Two days of magic for her, but all I can think about is little Caylee.

I think that Casey was so pizzed after her fight with Cindy that she grabbed Caylee and took her to her room where she drugged her and put her to bed and locked the door. Casey stays up 'til the wee hours of the morning texting TonE and then goes to sleep. Cindy, iirc, calls her from the house phone around 7:30 that morning, probably trying to wake her up, but Casey does not answer. Cindy goes off to work. George sleeps in, gets up, watches some TV, gets dressed, and goes off to work. No, I do not believe he ever saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. Casey makes a call to George's cell at 3:03, probably to make sure he's left for work. She doesn't make that flurry of calls for another 67 minutes. I think she probably was trying to stage an accidental drowning. When no one answered her calls, she chickened out and went to plan B. She put Caylee's body in the backyard (sandbox?). She returned a couple of days later to borrow the shovel, put Caylee in the trunk, and dumped her in the swampy woods.

She's an evil monster!

jmo

[ellegna]

Just finished reading emails from Rick, Shirley, Cindy and a friend of Shirley's. Very interesting. Scroll down to pg 8

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

[n/t]

Good Boxing Day Morning, Hope you all had a peaceful Christmas.
As the the above quote...I don't think Casey is afraid of anyone. She wasn't even nervous being questioned by LE. It seems to me that the reverse is true. Cindy is afraid of Casey- or at least she's afraid of what Casey is capable of. Listen to those jailhouse tapes. The A's tippy-toe around Casey. I'll betcha it was the same at home (X100). Everyone worried about what Casey would do if provoked. And they were right: Look what she did! Lots of people think she killed Caylee to get back at Cindy . I agree.
So Casey afraid of Cindy? I don't believe it. It wouldn't even surprise me if that comment was made just to make Cindy look bad.


I agree with you. Casey is rotten to the core. I don't think it was to get back at Cindy. Casey planned this for a very long time. Caylee was getting in the way of her lifestyle. Caylee was also at an age when children love to talk and she was a threat to Casey because at that age, they just love to tell grandma and grandpa or uncles and aunts how their day went and what they did.

I know. My niece is 2 and she will tell me everything. The other day my mom babysat her but my brother forgot to bring her winter boots so she couldn't play outside in the snow. Not only do they talk but they hand gesture too. So even if I couldn't understand all the words, I knew what she was telling me because she would show me with her hand gesturing. They're so adorable at that age.

Poor Caylee. I can't imagine what horrors that poor kid went through with her mom. Caylee was witness to her mommy's lies. No nanny, grandma.

[Remy]

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?

I was thinking the same thing this morning Katt. Also, George plays the "please don't tell my wife" card but if he was truly afraid of Cindy he wouldn't have been gambling/Nigerian scamming without telling her.

It seems to be a theme with G and Casey. Casey also said in that same conversation if she didn't want Caylee she could have left her with her parents. She obviously chose not to do that.

eta: Casey has no fear and imo is what her more a psychopath than a sociopath.

[Regina.Lampert]

Morning. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas!

Casey isn't terrified of Cindy. She was trying to justify and excuse herself to LE for not calling to report Caylee missing for 31 days by blaming it on her fear of Cindy. IMO

That's it exactly gator!!

[Barbara fl.]

Good morning everyone. Beautiful candle images Ell, thanks for the thread and link.

Mimi, I thought so too and particularly liked this one by Joe:

eastside joe -If you followed this case from ground zero, you may recognize the motivation surrounding this descipable, diabolical, crime was fueled in large part by the Casey vs. Cindy Never Ending Battle Royal that apparently existed since Casey was in her middle school years. IMO This crime was committed by Casey to satisfy her own intense desire to punish her mother Cindy as a result of their June 15th argument/fight.

IMO

Only I would add the secondary motifivation of getting rid of her "anchor" so that she could have the truly single life she wanted in order to go clubbing, dancing and enjoying her new lover.


Good morning...


I agree with both of you.....

[JHP]

Today is my granddaughter's 4th birthday. Two days of magic for her, but all I can think about is little Caylee.

I think that Casey was so pizzed after her fight with Cindy that she grabbed Caylee and took her to her room where she drugged her and put her to bed and locked the door. Casey stays up 'til the wee hours of the morning texting TonE and then goes to sleep. Cindy, iirc, calls her from the house phone around 7:30 that morning, probably trying to wake her up, but Casey does not answer. Cindy goes off to work. George sleeps in, gets up, watches some TV, gets dressed, and goes off to work. No, I do not believe he ever saw Casey and Caylee on the 16th. Casey makes a call to George's cell at 3:03, probably to make sure he's left for work. She doesn't make that flurry of calls for another 67 minutes. I think she probably was trying to stage an accidental drowning. When no one answered her calls, she chickened out and went to plan B. She put Caylee's body in the backyard (sandbox?). She returned a couple of days later to borrow the shovel, put Caylee in the trunk, and dumped her in the swampy woods.

She's an evil monster!

jmo

I suspect you're pretty close to the scenario. When Cindy stated Caylee slept with Casey all the time. Probably not true except for that evening.
Remember Cindy said about Casey. "When she lies she tells the truth."
Apply that to Cindy also. Then do the opposite of what shes saying. I think you can come up with pretty close to what actually happened.
JMO

[n/t]

Morning. Hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas!

Casey isn't terrified of Cindy. She was trying to justify and excuse herself to LE for not calling to report Caylee missing for 31 days by blaming it on her fear of Cindy. IMO

Exactly. She'll use anyone and anything including throwing her own mom under the bus.

She's a pathological liar. Period. I don't believe for one minute that she was an abused child or any of what she told Jesse about Lee "touching" her or whatever she said is true.

She was/is a spoiled brat, imo! I can't believe the Anthonys continue to support and defend after what she did. That boggles my mind.

[VII]

You know I think back to Casey talking to the the detectives at Universal and her telling them she was absolutely terrified of Cindy but then we listen to that jail house conversation between Casey and Cindy and does that sound like anyone that is terrified of their mother?

ABsoLUTEly
not

She plays her ~victim~ role with men ...
as they
LOVE to rescue a Damsel in distress.

[VII]

So why not give this baby to her mother to raise? Why the hate? Casey will spend many years in prison for this 'desire to punish' her mother. She won't be able to go dancing etc. anymore. I just don't understand some people.

MOO

~theory~
Becuase SHE had plans *that night*
the night Cindy returned from the NH and jumped her about stealing $$ from her Grandparents.
Cindy was SO angry, that when Casey had the auDACity to
ASK her to keep Caylee that evening
she choked her....
Casey, having NEVER experienced such anger and lashing out from her Mother,
took Caylee, not "just because" she was angry with Cindy and wanted to HURT her ...
but because she HAD to take her.
It was soon after ...
she carried OUT being a "spiteful *****".
~theory~

[trich]

Good morning everyone. Beautiful candle images Ell, thanks for the thread and link.

Mimi, I thought so too and particularly liked this one by Joe:

eastside joe -If you followed this case from ground zero, you may recognize the motivation surrounding this descipable, diabolical, crime was fueled in large part by the Casey vs. Cindy Never Ending Battle Royal that apparently existed since Casey was in her middle school years. IMO This crime was committed by Casey to satisfy her own intense desire to punish her mother Cindy as a result of their June 15th argument/fight.

IMO

Only I would add the secondary motifivation of getting rid of her "anchor" so that she could have the truly single life she wanted in order to go clubbing, dancing and enjoying her new lover.


I agree and would add that Casey was truely JEALOUS of the attention and love that friends and family gave to Caylee.
She (Casey) was not the center of their universe any more.
:mad:

[n/t]

~theory~
Becuase SHE had plans *that night*
the night Cindy returned from the NH and jumped her about stealing $$ from her Grandparents.
Cindy was SO angry, that when Casey had the auDACity to
ASK her to keep Caylee that evening
she choked her....
Casey, having NEVER experienced such anger and lashing out from her Mother,
took Caylee, not "just because" she was angry with Cindy and wanted to HURT her ...
but because she HAD to take her.
It was soon after ...
she carried OUT being a "spiteful *****".
~theory~


I'm not disagreeing with your theory but this was premeditated going back to March when she did the computer searches on chloroform, neck breaking and missing children. It may be that the alleged fight was the trigger but she already planned on getting rid of Caylee. IMO

[Mimi428]

Just finished reading emails from Rick, Shirley, Cindy and a friend of Shirley's. Very interesting. Scroll down to pg 8

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

Yeah. Vedddddy interesting. For all the talk about Casey & HER thieving ways, it looks as if her father is giving her a run for the money <pun sorta intended> in the department of "soaking Cindy for money". The woman had to deplete her 401K, had to take out a 2nd mortgage on the house, etc. to cover GEORGE'S financial misdeeds.

Grown man, no reason he would be unemployable, ALL he was expected to financially take care of was HIS car payment, the utility & the telephone bills - & he STILL wasn't keeping up with them!

[trich]

~theory~
Becuase SHE had plans *that night*
the night Cindy returned from the NH and jumped her about stealing $$ from her Grandparents.
Cindy was SO angry, that when Casey had the auDACity to
ASK her to keep Caylee that evening
she choked her....
Casey, having NEVER experienced such anger and lashing out from her Mother,
took Caylee, not "just because" she was angry with Cindy and wanted to HURT her ...
but because she HAD to take her.
It was soon after ...
she carried OUT being a "spiteful *****".
~theory~



I also think that Casey really thought she was going to get away with the murder.
I believe she was going to try and get to California where she would pretend Caylee was with her and doing fine.....I think she thought her once boyfriend(Mark?) out there would take her in and all that good stuff.
had she been able to get the money she would have been gone in a hearbeat. IMO
I think had Cindy not called 911 no one would still know Caylee was dead and had been dumped like trash.
The only thing I can appreciate that Cindy did was to call 911.....that was the only honest thing out of this whole tragedy she has done.
but since then it has been lies and cover stories for Casey.

[gaelicpeas]

I have a question about the missing children searches on the computer. I have seen the searches for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons, shovel, etc. that were in the documents back in March - but I have never seen the missing children searches. Does anyone know where they are in the documents? Did I just miss them, or have they not actually been released yet? TIA if anyone knows...

[barskin&co.]

I also think that Casey really thought she was going to get away with the murder.
I believe she was going to try and get to California where she would pretend Caylee was with her and doing fine.....I think she thought her once boyfriend(Mark?) out there would take her in and all that good stuff.
had she been able to get the money she would have been gone in a hearbeat. IMO
I think had Cindy not called 911 no one would still know Caylee was dead and had been dumped like trash.
The only thing I can appreciate that Cindy did was to call 911.....that was the only honest thing out of this whole tragedy she has done.
but since then it has been lies and cover stories for Casey.

Oh, I definately agree! She thought she would get away with it. She might have had some furtive plans, but, she's essentially pretty lazy- not, when you think about it, a very good trait for a murderer. I think she kept thinking well, tomorrow, tomorrow, tomorrow I'll get around to doing something...Then George and Cindy got the letter about the car, Cindy took action to find PPOFICA, and the rest is criminal history.

[n/t]

Wow those emails are very very interesting. George :ohmy:

[jammies]

I was thinking the same thing this morning Katt. Also, George plays the "please don't tell my wife" card but if he was truly afraid of Cindy he wouldn't have been gambling/Nigerian scamming without telling her.

It seems to be a theme with G and Casey. Casey also said in that same conversation if she didn't want Caylee she could have left her with her parents. She obviously chose not to do that.

eta: Casey has no fear and imo is what her more a psychopath than a sociopath.

I believe that GA and Casey kept a few secrets from Cindy. For SURE GA knew she didn't work, esp. if he wasn't working. (he outright says he was suspicious..lol) Makes me sick that they watched Cindy bust her behind to support the entire family while they sat at home doing nothing. Casey didn't have to "pretend" to work with GA. He knew she didn't go anywhere.

I also don't think either one was afraid of Cindy other than the fact she held the purse strings. The entire family played a game of pretend and secrets from one another which backfired.

Casey is just like Cindy in her personality but not in her actions. Casey could never be the GOOD Cindy and that's why she hated her.
IMO

[Katt2]

I also think that Casey really thought she was going to get away with the murder.
I believe she was going to try and get to California where she would pretend Caylee was with her and doing fine.....I think she thought her once boyfriend(Mark?) out there would take her in and all that good stuff.
had she been able to get the money she would have been gone in a hearbeat. IMO
I think had Cindy not called 911 no one would still know Caylee was dead and had been dumped like trash.
The only thing I can appreciate that Cindy did was to call 911.....that was the only honest thing out of this whole tragedy she has done.
but since then it has been lies and cover stories for Casey.

I won't deny that many of the things Cindy has said were not true but most everything she has said originated from either Casey or Jose and she repeated it. Did she truly believe what she was saying? I think she so desperately wanted to that she did. She did not want Caylee to be dead and especially not at the hands of her own mother.

[barskin&co.]

She had the money to go to Cali if she wanted to, some of the checks that were stolen were used to get cash. All she had to do was use the cash for a plane ticket.

JMO

She had maybe enough money for a plane ticket, then what? She was used to having a bunch of people close by to sponge off of or steal from. Where we she get pocket money, food....anything? Our princess had never lived away from home and had no experience at taking care of herself.

[MissouriGMom]

Wow those emails are very very interesting. George :ohmy:

Right! Cindy's family isn't too fond of George, it seems.

[jammies]

She had maybe enough money for a plane ticket, then what? She was used to having a bunch of people close by to sponge off of or steal from. Where we she get pocket money, food....anything? Our princess had never lived away from home and had no experience at taking care of herself.


As GA said, Casey only thinks 10 minutes ahead.

[sofiesmom]

http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/caylee2.jpg

Hope everyone had a joyous Christmas knowing that Caylee is in a better place.Thanks, Moon. Caylee IS in a better place. She's our little angel.

I've been wanting to respond to so many of you, but haven't been able due to computer issues. I've only been able to read.

Thanks to Lavenia, Willow, and Fallen-Angel, and everyone who has been so sweet to me.

I think we're all feeling the same sadness.

[barskin&co.]

As GA said, Casey only thinks 10 minutes ahead.

Well, she seems to have inherited his work ethic.

[tomsgirl]

Just finished reading emails from Rick, Shirley, Cindy and a friend of Shirley's. Very interesting. Scroll down to pg 8

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

I'm ashamed to say that is the 1st time that I have read those e-mails. That sheds a whole new light on things for me. I think George is just a lazy, good for nothing, cheating drain on Cindy and Casey is just as bad. Cindy really did not have a good "out" for her situation. I don't blame her for not wanting that loser George to have half of everything including the house. It seems like Cindy has a strong personality, so I don't understand her putting up with his sh!! all this time. She is an attractive woman and a hard worker it seems so why did she let them(George & Casey) use her soooo badly? I can understand her not wanting Caylee to be out on the street but I sure would have put a foot up the backside of Casey. I sort of feel sorry for her now. She is like some of those women who take abuse for years and years and just accept it as a part of their life. Cindy would be better off to tell George to "hit the door" Maybe someday she can be half way happy again without out the George and Casey baggage. JMO:tonguewag:

[summer4meplz]

She had the money to go to Cali if she wanted to, some of the checks that were stolen were used to get cash. All she had to do was use the cash for a plane ticket.

JMO

and all casey needed was "one more day"

good morning everyone...I hope everyone had a wonderful Christmas...I lit a candle for Caylee at church on Christmas Eve......she was certainly on my mind during the holidays....the anthonys too.....

[Mimi428]

She had the money to go to Cali if she wanted to, some of the checks that were stolen were used to get cash. All she had to do was use the cash for a plane ticket.

JMO

But she didn't have some guy to 'take' her there. I think she not only wanted to be free of her parents fussing at her & expecting her to be an adult with a job, pay her bills & be a responsible parent to her child - she also wanted the constant adoration of a male figure, a boyfriend.

I also believe that her incapacity to realistically theorize (if I do X, then the most likely result will be Y) totally screwed up her fantasies. She get a guy in her life who wanted to take her away. She didn't find a bottomless source of free money. And very importantly, she did not realize that just because SHE felt no anxiety about Caylee being gone, that uncaring attitude was NOT present in others, like her mother.

I was reading some stuff earlier & one of the descriptions of people who are psychopathic is that they "know the words, but can't hear the music". I think if we look at Casey's actions with that description in mind, it helps to explain how she could do SO many things that to the rest of the world make no sense whatsoever (like getting rid of your child & thinking no one will notice or care, like stealing from people & expecting they will tolerate it).

JMO

[courtsinsession]

Just finished reading emails from Rick, Shirley, Cindy and a friend of Shirley's. Very interesting. Scroll down to pg 8

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

OMG how did you find this treasure trove of communications? the police need to see this too so i think somehow someone needs to make sure they see this.

[jammies]

Well, she seems to have inherited his work ethic.



Yep. In some ways I hope it's CINDY that washes her hands of these losers and starts fresh.

[barskin&co.]

OMG how did you find this treasure trove of communications? the police need to see this too so i think somehow someone needs to make sure they see this.

Those were from the document dump. Don't worry; the police have seen them!

[summer4meplz]

I'm ashamed to say that is the 1st time that I have read those e-mails. That sheds a whole new light on things for me. I think George is just a lazy, good for nothing, cheating drain on Cindy and Casey is just as bad. Cindy really did not have a good "out" for her situation. I don't blame her for not wanting that loser George to have half of everything including the house. It seems like Cindy has a strong personality, so I don't understand her putting up with his sh!! all this time. She is an attractive woman and a hard worker it seems so why did she let them(George & Casey) use her soooo badly? I can understand her not wanting Caylee to be out on the street but I sure would have put a foot up the backside of Casey. I sort of feel sorry for her now. She is like some of those women who take abuse for years and years and just accept it as a part of their life. Cindy would be better off to tell George to "hit the door" Maybe someday she can be half way happy again without out the George and Casey baggage. JMO:tonguewag:

I just reread the emails this morning.....I am wondering if that is true about cindy having to pay alimony to george....if they divorced and they liquidated all their assets....it doesn't sound like they had enough to break even....that might have been a "story" cindy told to explain why she kept george around....any florida divorce attorneys in here?

[VII]

I believe that GA and Casey kept a few secrets from Cindy. For SURE GA knew she didn't work, esp. if he wasn't working. (he outright says he was suspicious..lol) Makes me sick that they watched Cindy bust her behind to support the entire family while they sat at home doing nothing. Casey didn't have to "pretend" to work with GA. He knew she didn't go anywhere.

I also don't think either one was afraid of Cindy other than the fact she held the purse strings. The entire family played a game of pretend and secrets from one another which backfired.

Casey is just like Cindy in her personality but not in her actions. Casey could never be the GOOD Cindy and that's why she hated her.
IMO


and ...
IF GA had the (ahem) nerve
to SAY anything to Casey about HER not working
she retorted with
"look at YOU .... ..... .... "
and kept walking.
She probably ~knew~ other things GA was keeping from Cindy and *threatened* to tell Momma Warbucks if he kept it up.

[barskin&co.]

A new page on Richard Grund's MySpace blog shows why he complained that the stuff about Jesse "stay with him." It's outrageous.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=458764355

[n/t]

Well, she seems to have inherited his work ethic.

Like father like daughter it seems. :cursing:

[VII]

I'm ashamed to say that is the 1st time that I have read those e-mails. That sheds a whole new light on things for me. I think George is just a lazy, good for nothing, cheating drain on Cindy and Casey is just as bad. Cindy really did not have a good "out" for her situation. I don't blame her for not wanting that loser George to have half of everything including the house. It seems like Cindy has a strong personality, so I don't understand her putting up with his sh!! all this time. She is an attractive woman and a hard worker it seems so why did she let them(George & Casey) use her soooo badly? I can understand her not wanting Caylee to be out on the street but I sure would have put a foot up the backside of Casey. I sort of feel sorry for her now. She is like some of those women who take abuse for years and years and just accept it as a part of their life. Cindy would be better off to tell George to "hit the door" Maybe someday she can be half way happy again without out the George and Casey baggage. JMO:tonguewag:


nuff said, tomsgirl.
Cindy was the victim in this mess.
She had spent many many many years trying to "keep the peace" in that mess. She has been in 'survival' mode for SO long, she doesn't know anything else.
I'll be happy to see her on the day she decides to let all of this go and return to her family, who obviously love her and cares about what happens to her.
She found herself trapped and did the best she could.

[Lavenia]

I was reading some stuff earlier & one of the descriptions of people who are psychopathic is that they "know the words, but can't hear the music".

<Respectfully snipped since it's so close>

JMO

This is such a great description! Love it! (And I would add, they lead the dance (to the music!))

[gaelicpeas]

FWIW, we have to remember that most likely all the information Cindy's mother and aunt had with regards to George came directly from Cindy.

JMO

[n/t]

A new page on Richard Grund's MySpace blog shows why he complained that the stuff about Jesse "stay with him." It's outrageous.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=85212505&blogID=458764355

I'm not following you. What do you mean "stay with him"?

I didn't find anything outrageous in his post. Am I missing something? Help :unsure:

[summer4meplz]

I have a question about the missing children searches on the computer. I have seen the searches for chloroform, neck breaking, household weapons, shovel, etc. that were in the documents back in March - but I have never seen the missing children searches. Does anyone know where they are in the documents? Did I just miss them, or have they not actually been released yet? TIA if anyone knows...


I remember on nancy grace one night...they had a long list of the escort sites with 1 missing children's site....it was not mentioned on the show, just shown...so there would be nothing on the transcripts..that's one reason you have to watch nancy....sometimes she has info shown on the screen with no dialogue about what they are showing...

[n/t]

FWIW, we have to remember that most likely all the information Cindy's mother and aunt had with regards to George came directly from Cindy.

JMO

I hear you. It's so hard to believe anything any of them say.

[gaelicpeas]

I remember on nancy grace one night...they had a long list of the escort sites with 1 missing children's site....it was not mentioned on the show, just shown...so there would be nothing on the transcripts..that's one reason you have to watch nancy....sometimes she has info shown on the screen with no dialogue about what they are showing...
Thanks. I have heard Nancy mention the missing children searches on her show. I just have never actually seen them (or the escort searches) in the document dumps. I know the chloroform, neck breaking, etc., were in the second doc dump, so I am guessing the missing children and escort searches must have been in the first doc dump and I just overlooked them.

[Lavenia]

I'm not following you. What do you mean "stay with him"?

I didn't find anything outrageous in his post. Am I missing something? Help :unsure:


I'm not following either. :confused: (I'm no fan of the Rev., but I don't get the "stay with him" reference.)

[breezie]

This is coming from Cindy's mouth and IMO she's prone to exagerration and making things all about her so I'm taking the extent of her indebtedness with a grain of salt.

I hope everyone had a lovely Christmas.

exactly. I doubt George could ever do anything right enough for Cindy, so he just stopped trying. They seem to deserve each other.

[VII]

I'm not following either. :confused:

follow the link on RJ's site to the MySpace site.
Click on the "leaving MySpace" link ...
to an article stating Jesse could be a suspect in Caylee's murder.

I think that is what I did...

[Lavenia]

follow the link on RJ's site to the MySpace site.
Click on the "leaving MySpace" link ...
to an article stating Jesse could be a suspect in Caylee's murder.

I think that is what I did...

Thanks VII! I need to be led occasionally. :smile:

[Mimi428]

This is coming from Cindy's mouth and IMO she's prone to exagerration and making things all about her so I'm taking the extent of her indebtedness with a grain of salt.

I hope everyone had a lovely Christmas.

I agree with you about the salt. However, there are some things that I believe the family would easily be able to ascertain in every day events - & surely would be able to verify. The primary one being which one of the senior Anthonys had steady employment & which one did not.

Also, IIRC & someone else may be able to help us with this, I believe George himself, out of his very own mouth, admitted to LE about his financial follies.


JMO

[barskin&co.]

I'm not following you. What do you mean "stay with him"?

I didn't find anything outrageous in his post. Am I missing something? Help :unsure:

Oh, remember Jesse mentioned on NG that the stuff about him and PPOFICA stays with him, or I maybe that it follows him. Some people actually criticized Jesse after that of complaining about nothing. However, on Richard's blog, he posted a link to a truly outrageous article which accused Jesse of being the murderer himself.

I'm sorry. I guess I worded that very poorly.

[Neffy]

Wow those emails! Everyone knew about Casey's and George's character.

So Casey did leave with Caylee. It's indicated that it was thought Casey would drag herself back to the house when she learned that no one would take on Casey and a toddler. Sorry really paraphrasing here (since I'm working).

I'd of like to seen Baez's face and the rest of the Dream Team once this information was made available to them.

[n/t]

Oh, remember Jesse mentioned on NG that the stuff about him and PPOFICA stays with him, or I maybe that it follows him. Some people actually criticized Jesse after that of complaining about nothing. However, on Richard's blog, he posted a link to a truly outrageous article which accused Jesse of being the murderer himself.

I'm sorry. I guess I worded that very poorly.

Ahh ok got it! Thanks for the clarification.

[nc1948]

So why not give this baby to her mother to raise? Why the hate? Casey will spend many years in prison for this 'desire to punish' her mother. She won't be able to go dancing etc. anymore. I just don't understand some people.

MOO

This reminds me of the cases when a parent involved in a custodial battle kills their children so the other spouse cannot have them. IT is totally illogical.

Casey didn't want Caylee because she was learning to talk, she was restricting Caseys life style, but she did not want to give Cindy the satisfaction of saying her she is.

I do believe that the prosecution has enough evidence to convict her. I hope I am right. This will play out in the courts and I believe there will be a lots of AHAH moments, but I think most will be from the prosecution.

[barskin&co.]

Wow those emails! Everyone knew about Casey's and George's character.

So Casey did leave with Caylee. It's indicated that it was thought Casey would drag herself back to the house when she learned that no one would take on Casey and a toddler. Sorry really paraphrasing here (since I'm working).

I'd of like to seen Baez's face and the rest of the Dream Team once this information was made available to them.

And Shirley and everyone else knew that PPOFICA's stories at that time (the "business" trip with nannies and kiddies in tow, the wild itinerary, the accident....) were bunk. They were obviously used to the flow of malarky.

[Neffy]

Trying to play catch up. So no one's been to see Casey since Monday?

I hope if this is true Baez is taking a good hard look at what he's got himself into. IMO is was sucked in listening to Casey. No doubt in my mind he now knows what he's dealing with. Not enough sugar in the world to coat any of this nor is there one possible spin scenerio that would be believable.

I wonder if Casey was told this to Baez and if perhaps Baez & Assoc told her and that's the reason for no visits since Monday. Perhaps Casey is refusing to see them?

Just speculating all of this. Wow what emails.

[Regina.Lampert]

I won't deny that many of the things Cindy has said were not true but most everything she has said originated from either Casey or Jose and she repeated it. Did she truly believe what she was saying? I think she so desperately wanted to that she did. She did not want Caylee to be dead and especially not at the hands of her own mother.



All you have to do is read Rick's emails to cindy to see his growing frustration and exasperation with her. Rick is my favorite person in this nightmare, because he says many things that I would love to be able to say cindy.

All to no avail. cindy is stubborn and will NEVER admit she's wrong. Just like the defendant. imo.

[Lavenia]

It seems no one has been there since Mon. Neffy. I bet Casey wasn't expecting to be someone's second prerogative so soon. Sucks to be her.

[jammies]

and ...
IF GA had the (ahem) nerve
to SAY anything to Casey about HER not working
she retorted with
"look at YOU .... ..... .... "
and kept walking.
She probably ~knew~ other things GA was keeping from Cindy and *threatened* to tell Momma Warbucks if he kept it up.


Good! Someone gets me!

[PuffDragon]

She had maybe enough money for a plane ticket, then what? She was used to having a bunch of people close by to sponge off of or steal from. Where we she get pocket money, food....anything? Our princess had never lived away from home and had no experience at taking care of herself.

I think that makes sense. She would have had to begin all over again among people she didn't know how to read. Given that she doesn't seem to know how to plan ahead she might have been afraid to take that irrevocable step without someone on the other end to lean on and get her started.

[Lavenia]

Who went to see her Monday? Her "lawyer"?:glare:

Yeah, *that* guy! :lol:

ETA: Barskin coined PPOFICA for Princess Pants on Fire Inmate Casey Anthony, lol.

[Neffy]

It seems no one has been there since Mon. Neffy. I bet Casey wasn't expecting to be someone's second prerogative so soon. Sucks to be her.

How in the heck are Cindy and George living. They were barely making it before.

Although those emails are really not surprising and it's what everyone thought but to see everything everyone was speculating on and having it validated.

That was a real life house of cards. How can 2 educated people create such havoc or let it get so out of hand that it was stretched to the point that something horrible was imminent.

[VII]

Good! Someone gets me!

Ditto THAT ...
sigh

It would be difficult for Cindy to see a way out of where she was with GA and Casey after YEARS of working her @$$ off to support them, keep the peace, figure out how to keep a roof over their heads, etc...

Hind-sight is probably telling her
"I should have listened to my guts,
put what I could get into the car
taken Caylee
and LEFT it all to THEM.
Praying she realizes now that all the material things of this earth meant NOTHING compared to the loss of Caylee = "You Are My ShunShine"...

[playnice]

Oh, remember Jesse mentioned on NG that the stuff about him and PPOFICA stays with him, or I maybe that it follows him. Some people actually criticized Jesse after that of complaining about nothing. However, on Richard's blog, he posted a link to a truly outrageous article which accused Jesse of being the murderer himself.

I'm sorry. I guess I worded that very poorly.

I think its awful the way the Anthonys did the Grund family. Seems the only thing they were guilty of is loving little Caylee and yes the odious one Casey too. Sadly it seems to me that Jessie still has a place in his heart for Casey. She is not deserving of it. anthonys should be ashamed of accusing Jessie, Amy and Ricardo of taking Caylee which now implies that one of them murdered her.
This fact is the biggest one in the turn off that I feel for that family.

[sofiesmom]

I'm ashamed to say that is the 1st time that I have read those e-mails. That sheds a whole new light on things for me. I think George is just a lazy, good for nothing, cheating drain on Cindy and Casey is just as bad. Cindy really did not have a good "out" for her situation. I don't blame her for not wanting that loser George to have half of everything including the house. It seems like Cindy has a strong personality, so I don't understand her putting up with his sh!! all this time. She is an attractive woman and a hard worker it seems so why did she let them(George & Casey) use her soooo badly? I can understand her not wanting Caylee to be out on the street but I sure would have put a foot up the backside of Casey. I sort of feel sorry for her now. She is like some of those women who take abuse for years and years and just accept it as a part of their life. Cindy would be better off to tell George to "hit the door" Maybe someday she can be half way happy again without out the George and Casey baggage. JMO:tonguewag:I think John Mellencamp and Pat Benatar said it best: "Hey, hit the highway".

Oh, I don't know, I've been going back and forth between George and Cindy. Leaning in favor of George because I think he was the most honest in the initial interviews, even though he's a deadbeat husband, imo.

[Mimi428]

and ...
IF GA had the (ahem) nerve
to SAY anything to Casey about HER not working
she retorted with
"look at YOU .... ..... .... "
and kept walking.
She probably ~knew~ other things GA was keeping from Cindy and *threatened* to tell Momma Warbucks if he kept it up.

I believe it. And that pretty much fits with something that has been sort of niggling in the back of my mind, how we have seen George interact with Casey in a way that seems to be more peer-to-peer, than parent-to-child. Examples I am thinking of are the gas can scenario. The displeasure he expressed to her was NOT about stealing the gas cans & the gasoline - he just ragged on her in the sarcastic vein of 'well, thanks a lot - I wasted my time reporting theft to the police'.

Also - his greeting to her during the jail visit - the remark about 'hello, beautiful'. WTH is that about? It just sounds so unbelievably out of place for the circumstances, as if he thinks he needs to reassure her about her looks, rather than expressing a view of parental concern. Weird.

JMO

[VII]

... snipped respectfully.......
How can 2 educated people create such havoc or let it get so out of hand that it was stretched to the point that something horrible was imminent.

I agree with ONE educated person?
I don't see GA as ~educated~.
LE is ranked as one of the top careers with frequent Domestic Violence in their OWN family.
GA lives in his OWN state of delusion.
GA is a play-uh ...
and he played on the affections of CA, who didn't REALIze what he is until she was drowning in DEBT and was financially strapped to his lazy but.

[jammies]

Ditto THAT ...
sigh

It would be difficult for Cindy to see a way out of where she was with GA and Casey after YEARS of working her @$$ off to support them, keep the peace, figure out how to keep a roof over their heads, etc...

Hind-sight is probably telling her
"I should have listened to my guts,
put what I could get into the car
taken Caylee
and LEFT it all to THEM.
Praying she realizes now that all the material things of this earth meant NOTHING compared to the loss of Caylee = "You Are My ShunShine"...



Totally agree, and I'm no Cindy-fan. Now, after the 911 calls is another story!

[VII]

I think John Mellencamp and Pat Benatar said it best: "Hey, hit the highway".

Oh, I don't know, I've been going back and forth between George and Cindy. Leaning in favor of George because I think he was the most honest in the initial interviews, even though he's a deadbeat husband, imo.

GA knew Cindy was freakin' out, in denial.
He knew her response ran the risk of an obtruction allegation.
THEREfor, knowing what he knew about "the right to remain silent", he presented his former brotherhood with an image of compliance to keep his OWN outta trouble.
At least, he tried.
yeah, right

[breezie]

I agree with ONE educated person?
I don't see GA as ~educated~.
LE is ranked as one of the top careers with frequent Domestic Violence in their OWN family.
GA lives in his OWN state of delusion.
GA is a play-uh ...
and he played on the affections of CA, who didn't REALIze what he is until she was drowning in DEBT and was financially strapped to his lazy but.

oh, please. I bet Cindy is just a joy to live with. She's no martyr. She could have thrown him out, but NO..the money was too important to her. Now she has to live with her choices. Yes, she made choices, too.

[Neffy]

I think John Mellencamp and Pat Benatar said it best: "Hey, hit the highway".

Oh, I don't know, I've been going back and forth between George and Cindy. Leaning in favor of George because I think he was the most honest in the initial interviews, even though he's a deadbeat husband, imo.


They're both deer caught in the headlights. They're life, pretty ugly and exposed. Then the ultimate tragedy that leads to the uncovering of this totally dysfunctional life.

They must live by some kind of code NEVER TELL. No matter what the cost.

They have all been exposed via other mean's re: emails, interviews of friends, relatives.

Those emails are really upsetting.

[Mimi428]

I agree with ONE educated person?
I don't see GA as ~educated~.
LE is ranked as one of the top careers with frequent Domestic Violence in their OWN family.
GA lives in his OWN state of delusion.
GA is a play-uh ...
and he played on the affections of CA, who didn't REALIze what he is until she was drowning in DEBT and was financially strapped to his lazy but.

I think that grasshoppers inherently know that they need an ant in their life if they want to keep up their grasshopper ways. (I sure hope everyone knows the fable about the grasshopper & the ant or this makes no sense at all).

I had a grasshopper brother-in-law and I can assure you that he ALWAYS sweet-talked & married women who were VERY hard working & responsible.

I am sure that it was a great burden on Cindy when she realized that she not only had a grasshopper husband, she had a grasshopper kid, to boot. AND one (the kid) who was completely callous to the rights of others.

JMO

[Dunlurken]

Donor Gives to Caylee Anthony Memorial

December 25, 2008 - 4:38 PM
Tara Simone

'Tis the season for giving, even in the wake of the tragedy of little Caylee Anthony. An anonymous donor dropped off 125 toys from Bloomingdale's to Caylee's memorial site in central Florida. The secret Santa was said to be inspired by Caylee to help other children in need. Workers from the Orlando Union Rescue Mission handed out the toys to 84 children currently in their custody.


http://www.cbs12.com/news/anthony_4712180___article.html/caylee_memorial.html

video (http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/24/Growing-memorial-for-Caylee/1230147838.html)

That was a wonderful gesture :thumbsup:
Thank you for that link. I'm so glad those toys went to children in need. Caylee would probably have liked that.

Just logging on and have lots of catching up to do.

[Regina.Lampert]

I have no respect for george who seemed unable to support his wife, but he did get a 60,000 dollar settlement for his "knees" does everyone remember that?

I think his not having a job may just be related to that, you know couldn't work blah, blah, blah in order to get a larger settlement.

I would imagine cindy went right along with that as long as there were dollar signs at the end. IMO.

All of them are very flawed people, imo, even under the best circumstances.

[VII]

I believe it. And that pretty much fits with something that has been sort of niggling in the back of my mind, how we have seen George interact with Casey in a way that seems to be more peer-to-peer, than parent-to-child. Examples I am thinking of are the gas can scenario. The displeasure he expressed to her was NOT about stealing the gas cans & the gasoline - he just ragged on her in the sarcastic vein of 'well, thanks a lot - I wasted my time reporting theft to the police'.

Also - his greeting to her during the jail visit - the remark about 'hello, beautiful'. WTH is that about? It just sounds so unbelievably out of place for the circumstances, as if he thinks he needs to reassure her about her looks, rather than expressing a view of parental concern. Weird.

JMO

and ...
when you watch the jailhouse visits between Cindy and Casey w/GA sitting beside Cindy?
He's totally ~not there~
at first I thought differently and was more empathetic toward him
NOW it appears he is worried that Casey is going to SAY something to get Cindy on his but.

some have discussed his remarks to Casey about "Caylee being moved 8 times" by the alleged kidnappers HE was having trailed.

Trying to convince Cindy HE was the only ~real man~ trying to help her? HE is the only one running to the rescue of TWO Damsel's in Distress (Cindy and Casey)?
Casey must know SOMETHING really BIG on GA.

As Cindy's Mom and Brother had basically abandoned her at the onset of this, Cindy felt all she had to cling to was her desire to find an alive Caylee AND GA, who HAD her convinced he was there for her - bolstering her denial in the state of isolation she was in during the investigation.

i dunno, just speculation as I really DO NOT LIKE GA.

[Dunlurken]

Also - his greeting to her during the jail visit - the remark about 'hello, beautiful'. WTH is that about? It just sounds so unbelievably out of place for the circumstances, as if he thinks he needs to reassure her about her looks, rather than expressing a view of parental concern. Weird.

JMO


snipping to address. I think he called her "gorgeous". She replied that she didn't look so good now. Too bad for her. JMO.

[breezie]

snipping to address. I think he called her "gorgeous". She replied that she didn't look so good now. Too bad for her. JMO.

all those pop tarts and pork skins ain't gonna help either. I bet she's big and bloated by trial time. couldn't happen to a nicer sociopath.

[Lavenia]

I think that grasshoppers inherently know that they need an ant in their life if they want to keep up their grasshopper ways. (I sure hope everyone knows the fable about the grasshopper & the ant or this makes no sense at all).

I had a grasshopper brother-in-law and I can assure you that he ALWAYS sweet-talked & married women who were VERY hard working & responsible.

I am sure that it was a great burden on Cindy when she realized that she not only had a grasshopper husband, she had a grasshopper kid, to boot. AND one (the kid) who was completely callous to the rights of others.

JMO

Where's your bug exterminator when you need him? :tonguewag:

I KWYM,though! (Luckily I know the fable or I would've gotten CW to trace your ISP so we could have you evaluated, lol)

[VII]

oh, please. I bet Cindy is just a joy to live with. She's no martyr. She could have thrown him out, but NO..the money was too important to her. Now she has to live with her choices. Yes, she made choices, too.


ABSOLUTELY
agree that she is not a martyr
and YES
she could have thrown him out OR moved out herself ...
howEVerrrrrr...
until you have lived with an abuser
you know not what you say.
jmo

[Neffy]

No wonder why the "immunity" was asked for. The Anthony's weren't even close to being truthful about any of this.

[Mimi428]

snipping to address. I think he called her "gorgeous". She replied that she didn't look so good now. Too bad for her. JMO.

Thank you, Dunnie for the correction. Now that you reminded me, that sounds right.

And even more inappropriate, from parent to child in that sort of circumstance & setting, IMO.

[Neffy]

No wonder why the "immunity" was asked for. The Anthony's weren't even close to being truthful about any of this.

Would I want this life exposed, no way. I have a missing granddaughter - I would have sung like a bird even over giving information.

That's what I don't understand.

[VII]

They're both deer caught in the headlights. They're life, pretty ugly and exposed. Then the ultimate tragedy that leads to the uncovering of this totally dysfunctional life.

They must live by some kind of code NEVER TELL. No matter what the cost.

They have all been exposed via other mean's re: emails, interviews of friends, relatives.

Those emails are really upsetting.

which is egg-ZACTlyyyy
how families of abuse live.

[Dunlurken]

all those pop tarts and pork skins ain't gonna help either. I bet she's big and bloated by trial time. couldn't happen to a nicer sociopath.

She's probably luving it. I just don't get how a family could get so turned around. There is something deep and dark there; but I don't know what. JMO. It's not just Casey, there is more too this than meets the eye.

[Lavenia]

snipping to address. I think he called her "gorgeous". She replied that she didn't look so good now. Too bad for her. JMO.

Wah, wah. Where does the line for the telethon que up?

[VII]

I think that grasshoppers inherently know that they need an ant in their life if they want to keep up their grasshopper ways. (I sure hope everyone knows the fable about the grasshopper & the ant or this makes no sense at all).

I had a grasshopper brother-in-law and I can assure you that he ALWAYS sweet-talked & married women who were VERY hard working & responsible.

I am sure that it was a great burden on Cindy when she realized that she not only had a grasshopper husband, she had a grasshopper kid, to boot. AND one (the kid) who was completely callous to the rights of others.

JMO


I know the Grasshopper and the Ant very well.
Good comparison!!

[Newclothes]

I also think that Casey really thought she was going to get away with the murder.
I believe she was going to try and get to California where she would pretend Caylee was with her and doing fine.....I think she thought her once boyfriend(Mark?) out there would take her in and all that good stuff.
had she been able to get the money she would have been gone in a hearbeat. IMO
I think had Cindy not called 911 no one would still know Caylee was dead and had been dumped like trash.
The only thing I can appreciate that Cindy did was to call 911.....that was the only honest thing out of this whole tragedy she has done.
but since then it has been lies and cover stories for Casey.



ITA.....I think that Casey has gotten away with so much in the course of her life and that was just normal for her. I believe that her whole life when she would do terrible things all she would have to do is bat her eyes and show her fake remorse and all would be forgiven. I bet she was dumb founded when she actually had to stay in jail. She thought "everyone will forgive me" or "my mom will get me out of this because she always does" It was just Casey's normalcy (sp) to get away with it.

It reminds me of couples who fight daily and then they get back together daily. For a stable person it is so hard and tiresome to see and you would think they would want a better life but they feel like all couples do the same thing because it has become a daily routine or "normal' for them to do. It is not until they make the break for good they realize it is normal to to fight daily...... hope I made sense....

[breezie]

ABSOLUTELY
agree that she is not a martyr
and YES
she could have thrown him out OR moved out herself ...
howEVerrrrrr...
until you have lived with an abuser
you know not what you say.
jmo

I don't see George as an abuser. I see him as a user that found someone that would let him. Cindy seems like the verbal abuser to me. She probably cut him down to size and emasculated him on more than 1 occasion. Probably why, if he did actually work, he worked late shift.

[Neffy]

which is egg-ZACTlyyyy
how families of abuse live.

That I have to agree with. But a toddler has vanished!! Your grandaughter!!! C'mon--- TIME TO SPILL IT ALL!

[VII]

I have no respect for george who seemed unable to support his wife, but he did get a 60,000 dollar settlement for his "knees" does everyone remember that?

I think his not having a job may just be related to that, you know couldn't work blah, blah, blah in order to get a larger settlement.

I would imagine cindy went right along with that as long as there were dollar signs at the end. IMO.

All of them are very flawed people, imo, even under the best circumstances.


well, I'm sure he played it to the hilt.
MOST men whine and complain when they have a minor ache ~as if~ the world will end --- sigh....
ANYwayyyyy,
only 60K?
pfffffffft ...
If I were Cindy, I'd want SOMEone to make a decision on that too.
Meaning, IF it were determined nothing was WRONG w/GA's knee's, she could at LEAST have medical confirmation that he was a whine bag, now get off your @$$.

[Mimi428]

which is egg-ZACTlyyyy
how families of abuse live.

Truer words, never spoken.

Don't talk. Don't tell.

[Neffy]

I can't help but think of all the guys in Casey's life. They have to be shaking in their boots! None of them had a clue to who or "what" they actually hooked up with.

I'd imagine they will never trust anyone at least for a long looooong time.

[Newclothes]

all those pop tarts and pork skins ain't gonna help either. I bet she's big and bloated by trial time. couldn't happen to a nicer sociopath.

WOW....I would like that.....never thought of that! I think if Casey was to gain weight and maybe not look so attractive that would upset Casey more than anything. Can you imagine Casey not feeling like she looked "gorgeous" and the men that are around her in jail or inmates don't look twice at her....I think she might have to ask for an additional sedative. Also, I think Jose is going to use the phrase.."look at this amazing attractive young mother....why would she harm her daughter she had so much ahead of her".......Think I might semd her some poptarts and ding-dongs.....

[SavannahStar]

ppofica ?
CW asked that poster not to use that.

[Neffy]

WOW....I would like that.....never thought of that! I think if Casey was to gain weight and maybe not look so attractive that would upset Casey more than anything. Can you imagine Casey not feeling like she looked "gorgeous" and the men that are around her in jail or inmates don't look twice at her....I think she might have to ask for an additional sedative. Also, I think Jose is going to use the phrase.."look at this amazing attractive young mother....why would she harm her daughter she had so much ahead of her".......Think I might semd her some poptarts and ding-dongs.....

I don't know. Everything being uncovered, unraveled. I'd imagine Baez & team are even rattled. How could they not be. This is all really chilling.

[tomsgirl]

I agree with ONE educated person?
I don't see GA as ~educated~.
LE is ranked as one of the top careers with frequent Domestic Violence in their OWN family.
GA lives in his OWN state of delusion.
GA is a play-uh ...
and he played on the affections of CA, who didn't REALIze what he is until she was drowning in DEBT and was financially strapped to his lazy but.

Well said. ITA - JMO

[VII]

WOW....I would like that.....never thought of that! I think if Casey was to gain weight and maybe not look so attractive that would upset Casey more than anything. Can you imagine Casey not feeling like she looked "gorgeous" and the men that are around her in jail or inmates don't look twice at her....I think she might have to ask for an additional sedative. Also, I think Jose is going to use the phrase.."look at this amazing attractive young mother....why would she harm her daughter she had so much ahead of her".......Think I might semd her some poptarts and ding-dongs.....

Casey doesn't want to be rejected by the Universe because she killed her daughter ...
she see's being overweight and UGLY as repulsive ...
THEREfore.
She will deliberatly become a SLOB, appearance wise, and use THAT in her *head*
as the reason the UNIVERSE despises her actions.

[Newclothes]

I don't know. Everything being uncovered, unraveled. I'd imagine Baez & team are even rattled. How could they not be. This is all really chilling.

I agree with you 100%...Baez has seemed rattled from day 1 too.....

[*MoonRider*]

Casey doesn't want to be rejected by the Universe because she killed her daughter ...
she see's being overweight and UGLY as repulsive ...
THEREfore.
She will deliberatly become a SLOB, appearance wise, and use THAT in her *head*
as the reason the UNIVERSE despises her actions.

I found it odd during the jailhouse interviews that it looked like she didn't even comb her hair. I realize she can only shower every other day but a comb would do wonders. JMO

[Newclothes]

Casey doesn't want to be rejected by the Universe because she killed her daughter ...
she see's being overweight and UGLY as repulsive ...
THEREfore.
She will deliberatly become a SLOB, appearance wise, and use THAT in her *head*
as the reason the UNIVERSE despises her actions.

That is a great observation!!!! I can see her do that......

[breezie]

Casey doesn't want to be rejected by the Universe because she killed her daughter ...
she see's being overweight and UGLY as repulsive ...
THEREfore.
She will deliberatly become a SLOB, appearance wise, and use THAT in her *head*
as the reason the UNIVERSE despises her actions.

works for me! I don't care what she thinks...ugly, fat, bloated and miserable. I can live with it.

[tomsgirl]

oh, please. I bet Cindy is just a joy to live with. She's no martyr. She could have thrown him out, but NO..the money was too important to her. Now she has to live with her choices. Yes, she made choices, too.

I don't think that Cindy is a martyr, but if all of her relatives are right(and they have no reason to lie) Cindy worked her azz off to have that home and I don't blame her for not wanting to give it up. It is not that easy to buy a home and evidently she had pretty good credit in order to buy it as it is in her name. Therefore the salary that was considered was mostly hers, if not all hers. Let him get a job, build up his credit and buy his own house. I don't think that she would put money before her loved ones, she just did not consider that Casey would do what she did. Hind sight is always 20/20 - JMO:tonguewag:

[Dunlurken]

That I have to agree with. But a toddler has vanished!! Your grandaughter!!! C'mon--- TIME TO SPILL IT ALL!

You said it! Everything. Caylee should be more important than anyone else at this point. And JUSTICE for her more important than anything. I hope both George and Cindy, and Lee, realize that.

ETA: Does Lee have any children? I can't remember.

[nc1948]

FWIW, we have to remember that most likely all the information Cindy's mother and aunt had with regards to George came directly from Cindy.

JMO

Good post. I don't think Cindy just began lying when Caylee was misplaced. I am sure she put her own spin on what was going on in her life when talking to her mother and aunt. George should have been a man and stepped up and helped support his family. In todays economy it takes two incomes just to survive and Casey was not working. Cindy was supporting her totally.

Most families would be in a world of hurt if we were scrutinized like the Anthonys have been. Every word, email, cell call. The difference is that I don't think that most families would have reacted as the Anthonys have. Casey put them in this situation, but George and Cindy definitely continued to call attention upon themselves with their Mother of the Year comments and blaming everyone except their daughter. I have been pleased to see that Cindy and George have finally shut their mouths and hope they continue to do so. I feel so sorry they have lost their grandchild and probably at the hands of their only daughter. They live in a h-e-double hockey sticks that I cannot imagine. They would have had my support 100% if they had not started their spin and Cindyspeak. If they had only showed Caylee picture at first news conference and begged Kidnappers to return her. But instead they said she was the mother of the year and called searchers maggots, and accused Amy, Jesse and anyone else in their radar.

If they had not been so accusatory, defensive of Casey they would have been the most supported family.

[Mimi428]

I don't see George as an abuser. I see him as a user that found someone that would let him. Cindy seems like the verbal abuser to me. She probably cut him down to size and emasculated him on more than 1 occasion. Probably why, if he did actually work, he worked late shift.


I doubt we will ever know with certainty, but I cannot say yet that I don't see George as an abuser. If you are aware of the dynamics of emotional incest, I think it is possible that there was some of that working in that household, too.

This website (which is for a counseling service) has this little blurb which I think is something to ponder if we apply it to what little we know so far about this case -

Do you know women who:
* act in immature ways?
* only attract immature men?
* forever try to appear special?
* are selfish and manipulative?
* cannot maintain a partnership?
* sabotage other people's relationships?

These are signs of emotional incest - and relationship chaos for these
women and for people involved with them.

http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/daddy's_princess.htm

[breezie]

You said it! Everything. Caylee should be more important than anyone else at this point. And JUSTICE for her more important than anything. I hope both George and Cindy, and Lee, realize that.

ETA: Does Lee have any children? I can't remember.

there were rumors that his girlfriend Mallory was pregnant. Not sure if that is true or not. Otherwise, no.

[VII]

I found it odd during the jailhouse interviews that it looked like she didn't even comb her hair. I realize she can only shower every other day but a comb would do wonders. JMO


and her looking so disheveled ...
was her exclamation point to the play that she is sooo mistreated in jail and having to eat that yucky cold slaw ...
cold slaw = YUCK
pork skins = OINK OINK :drool:
:scared:

[courtsinsession]

ya gotta love his emails to Cindy; he nails Casey pretty good; it is abundantly clear that George and Cindy allowed Casey to become a monster, letting her get away with everything for Casey's entire life. Rick is to be commended since he is willing to risk his relationship with Cindy to try and get through to her; it did no good; she is truly in total state of denial. I do feel sorry for her though since she said (before Caylee went missing) that she would end it all if it weren't for Caylee.

[farrahrani]

Thank you, Dunnie for the correction. Now that you reminded me, that sounds right.

And even more inappropriate, from parent to child in that sort of circumstance & setting, IMO.

Maybe its just me, I think people read to much into that. I got the impression that was just a cute nickname he had for her. Nothing too inappropriate, just something he called her from time to time. Maybe I'm wrong though, I've been wrong on here before.

[Regina.Lampert]

george's "hey gorgeous" is especially egregious when you consider Caylee was lying in a garbage bag rotting at this point in time.

Any consideration of how casey anthony looked is beyond the pale to me. These people are NUTS!!! imo. :cuss:

[VII]

ya gotta love his emails to Cindy; he nails Casey pretty good; it is abundantly clear that George and Cindy allowed Casey to become a monster, letting her get away with everything for Casey's entire life. Rick is to be commended since he is willing to risk his relationship with Cindy to try and get through to her; it did no good; she is truly in total state of denial. I do feel sorry for her though since she said (before Caylee went missing) that she would end it all if it weren't for Caylee.

and through all of it, his calling an ace an ace ...
he basically ends with offering reassurance to Cindy that he will be there for her when she surfaces from the sewage in which she had been drowning in for years.

[Heyes]

Good morning all!
I hope everyone is enjoying the holidays.
I don't know if this has been discussed but last night on HNN news, I heard that there was a google search on caseys computer that was for The show, One tree hill. Evidently the theme on the show that was googled was about a nanny (can't remember now if they specified zanny, but I think so), that kidnapped a child. The news guys said it seemed that she followed that episode's script.
Were more documents released on Christmas as a lovely present for Baez or was this something I missed in the earlier releases? Or, did I completely imagine this whole thing?

[nc1948]

No wonder why the "immunity" was asked for. The Anthony's weren't even close to being truthful about any of this.

Would I want this life exposed, no way. I have a missing granddaughter - I would have sung like a bird even over giving information.

That's what I don't understand.

If my child or grandchild were missing, I would open both doors of my house and say come on in take any and everything you think might help find them. What can I tell you, what can I do- Hey if they told me that standing on my head would help find them, I would sure try(at 60 might be hard) but I would give it my best shot. Do you need a LD, how about blood samples, hair samples , Anything, Is there anything I can do.

I do not understand any family that protecting the secrets is more important than finding their Grandchild. It hurts to realize that there are grandparents out their like these.

[Mimi428]

Maybe its just me, I think people read to much into that. I got the impression that was just a cute nickname he had for her. Nothing too inappropriate, just something he called her from time to time. Maybe I'm wrong though, I've been wrong on here before.

I put it in the 'can't stand alone' category. The type of thing that, if viewed by itself, without context & without knowing other dynamics of their relationship, just doesn't tell us enough.

Now if we are to find out that Casey was 'daddy's little princess' when she was growing up, that sure won't be good for trying to eliminate the emotional incest possibility.

(anybody remember how Scott P was 'mommy's little prince'?)

JMO

[breezie]

wow page 9 is very telling. Cindy was very depressed and thought about "doing away with herself".

yeah, and LE is dumb and Tim Miller stole a money jar. I doubt she was serious. Life is all about Cindy and her drama.

[nc1948]

george's "hey gorgeous" is especially egregious when you consider Caylee was lying in a garbage bag rotting at this point in time.

Any consideration of how casey anthony looked is beyond the pale to me. These people are NUTS!!! imo. :cuss:

The word gorgeous is not what bothers me. The fact that Casey's first words were not "did you find her" and George's first words were not "casey we need help to find her" and Cindy's first words were not "Casey where is she." Was Caylee ever mentioned in the jail house recordings???

[Barbara fl.]

I doubt we will ever know with certainty, but I cannot say yet that I don't see George as an abuser. If you are aware of the dynamics of emotional incest, I think it is possible that there was some of that working in that household, too.

This website (which is for a counseling service) has this little blurb which I think is something to ponder if we apply it to what little we know so far about this case -

Do you know women who:
* act in immature ways?
* only attract immature men?
* forever try to appear special?
* are selfish and manipulative?
* cannot maintain a partnership?
* sabotage other people's relationships?

These are signs of emotional incest - and relationship chaos for these
women and for people involved with them.

http://www.soulwork.net/sw_articles_eng/daddy's_princess.htm


Women that fit these traits were NOT necessarily sexually abused by a parent or brother....I know many a person with all those traits that were never abused...no father at home, only child....

I would never accuse someone of molesting their own daughter unless I was told by the child or saw it for myself.....I would very carefully check into it before acccusing....It seems to be a cop out by some young women when they get into trouble...or when they want attention, or do not like their fathers or brothers...

Most therapists put these things into the heads of their clients/patients and it really never happened.....In my opinion, most of these therapists need help themselves....

Sorry, but I do not buy it...

[VII]

The word gorgeous is not what bothers me. The fact that Casey's first words were not "did you find her" and George's first words were not "casey we need help to find her" and Cindy's first words were not "Casey where is she." Was Caylee ever mentioned in the jail house recordings???

In one of the visits Cindy had w/Casey, Cindy did ask her for more information about who to contact ...
Casey shrugged it off with
"I told Lee, he is checking on some things for me"
(something to that effect)
Don't know if they have released ALL the recordings of visits
and I certainly haven't had the time to listen to all of her BS w/Lee ...
ANYwayyyyy,
Did she "REALLY" give Lee information to pursue?
and if she HAD
why wouldn't HE have called his Mom and said
"I've got some things I'm going to work on, here"
WHY wouldn't Cindy have known what she was talking about prior to the visit?
:confused:

[StarShine]

nuff said, tomsgirl.
Cindy was the victim in this mess.
She had spent many many many years trying to "keep the peace" in that mess. She has been in 'survival' mode for SO long, she doesn't know anything else.
I'll be happy to see her on the day she decides to let all of this go and return to her family, who obviously love her and cares about what happens to her.
She found herself trapped and did the best she could.

After reading those emails I must say I agree with you.

[VII]

Women that fit these traits were NOT necessarily sexually abused by a parent or brother....I know many a person with all those traits that were never abused...no father at home, only child....

I would never accuse someone of molesting their own daughter unless I was told by the child or saw it for myself.....I would very carefully check into it before acccusing....It seems to be a cop out by some young women when they get into trouble...or when they want attention, or do not like their fathers or brothers...

Most therapists put these things into the heads of their clients/patients and it really never happened.....In my opinion, most of these therapists need help themselves....

Sorry, but I do not buy it...

"emotional incest" is not specific to sex acts only ...
check it out:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Covert_incest

"The term covert incest (also known as emotional incest or psychic incest) is used by some writers to describe a relationship between parents and children that is sexualized, without actual incest. "

[CC I See]

Women that fit these traits were NOT necessarily sexually abused by a parent or brother....I know many a person with all those traits that were never abused...no father at home, only child....

I would never accuse someone of molesting their own daughter unless I was told by the child or saw it for myself.....I would very carefully check into it before acccusing....It seems to be a cop out by some young women when they get into trouble...or when they want attention, or do not like their fathers or brothers...

Most therapists put these things into the heads of their clients/patients and it really never happened.....In my opinion, most of these therapists need help themselves....

Sorry, but I do not buy it...

.... and neither do I. It could be that the person is just self centered and finds that causing trouble for others makes them happy. People always look for a reason or good excuse for bad behavior.... sometimes the person is just a selfish creature that loves to make trouble for others.

[VII]

After reading those emails I must say I agree with you.

Cindy's behavior is grossly out of proportion to what others would do in similar situations as she was in an ABnormal situation.
I also think that Rick knows that Cindy is acting in ways out of character for the person he grew UP with ...
meaning ...
her family had been worried about her for a long time
had stood by and not said too much
(as do MOST extended family whose relative is in a MESS)
for fear they'd lose a relationship with a sister/daughter they loved very much.
When push came to shove,
Rick spoke for the family to try and get Cindy to come to her senses, as any good brother would do.

[trich]

george's "hey gorgeous" is especially egregious when you consider Caylee was lying in a garbage bag rotting at this point in time.

Any consideration of how casey anthony looked is beyond the pale to me. These people are NUTS!!! imo. :cuss:

I agree! Nothing they do or have done is normal in any sense of the word.

[Carol25]

There's just so much dysfunction in this family it is amazing. The thing I find so amazing through this whole situation was the entire lack of concern, grief for their grandaughter, and neice.

Casey was safe and being cared for during this entire situation. Her needs were being met. Who was in danger but Caylee! Who did they constantly talk about and have the concern for?

Doesn't that speak volumes? Does that mean they actually knew Caylee was gone?

[VII]

There's just so much dysfunction in this family it is amazing. The thing I find so amazing through this whole situation was the entire lack of concern, grief for their grandaughter, and neice.

Casey was safe and being cared for during this entire situation. Her needs were being met. Who was in danger but Caylee! Who did they constantly talk about and have the concern for?

Doesn't that speak volumes? Does that mean they actually knew Caylee was gone?

It could mean that Cindy knew Casey as a liar.
Casey as one who would hold her breath until she passed out if she didn't get her way.
Casey as one who manipulated her Mother w/her emotions (ANGER :cursing: )
and who Cindy had become accustomed to placating.
Cindy MAY have feared that if she pricked the angst of Casey, they'd NEVER find Caylee.
Perhaps Cindy's ~guts~ knew ...
but haven't any of YOU ever not listened to your GUTS and lived to regret it?

ETA:
TRUST me...
Cindy is the LAST person in this case I ever expected to consider the benefit of a doubt.
Things just seem to be lining up in another direction for me ...
for NOW.

[steffaroob4]

December 24, 2008 - Wednesday (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=458799706)

Caylee’s Myspace Site Requests

[Carol25]

We all have analyzed this to every minute detail. Let's just look at Cindy's remarks on tv. Just how many times has she appealed to the "kidnappers"?

Just keep this very simple. How may times has Casey appealed to the kidnappers to set Caylee free in the past?

How many times have we seen either of them grieve or tell of grieving (Casey) as a normal parent or grandparent would do at a loss of a child?

Have you ever, ever in your life heard of a mother go out partying after misplacing her child or having her child kidnapped?

No deep analysis needed.

[Carol25]

It could mean that Cindy knew Casey as a liar.
Casey as one who would hold her breath until she passed out if she didn't get her way.
Casey as one who manipulated her Mother w/her emotions (ANGER :cursing: )
and who Cindy had become accustomed to placating.
Cindy MAY have feared that if she pricked the angst of Casey, they'd NEVER find Caylee.
Perhaps Cindy's ~guts~ knew ...
but haven't any of YOU ever not listened to your GUTS and lived to regret it?

ETA:
TRUST me...
Cindy is the LAST person in this case I ever expected to consider the benefit of a doubt.
Things just seem to be lining up in another direction for me ...
for NOW.
Patience is a virtue, but when she was home on bail, Lord help me, if I thought my grandaughter was in danger I would have nearly beaten my daughter to death if she wouldn't tell me about those darn kidnappers or the truth.

[Remy]

Women that fit these traits were NOT necessarily sexually abused by a parent or brother....I know many a person with all those traits that were never abused...no father at home, only child....

I would never accuse someone of molesting their own daughter unless I was told by the child or saw it for myself.....I would very carefully check into it before acccusing....It seems to be a cop out by some young women when they get into trouble...or when they want attention, or do not like their fathers or brothers...

Most therapists put these things into the heads of their clients/patients and it really never happened.....In my opinion, most of these therapists need help themselves....

Sorry, but I do not buy it...

ITA and there is nothing I could snip from your post. As someone who was sexually assaulted at 9 by a friends father I never told anyone and never wanted anyone to know.

Finally, in my 20's I had a breakdown from depression and started therapy and meds for PTSD. The people I saw getting help suffered from depression, eating disorders etc and Casey doesn't seem to exhibit any of these imo and I don't buy it either. I believe she used it as a ploy to get attention and sympathy. moo

[playnice]

Patience is a virtue, but when she was home on bail, Lord help me, if I thought my grandaughter was in danger I would have nearly beaten my daughter to death if she wouldn't tell me about those darn kidnappers or the truth.

They knew who the kidnappers were. George had his PI watching them. They moved Caylee 8 times.:thumbdown:

[legalmania]

We all have analyzed this to every minute detail. Let's just look at Cindy's remarks on tv. Just how many times has she appealed to the "kidnappers"?

Just keep this very simple. How may times has Casey appealed to the kidnappers to set Caylee free in the past?

How many times have we seen either of them grieve or tell of grieving (Casey) as a normal parent or grandparent would do at a loss of a child?

Have you ever, ever in your life heard of a mother go out partying after misplacing her child or having her child kidnapped?

No deep analysis needed.

Well said Carol. I've been trying to understand the behavior of Casey for some time now. I started comparing The Susan Murders to Casey and the similarities are comparable.

http://www.trutv.com/library/crime/notorious_murders/famous/smith/susan_3.html

[Neffy]

Going thru those emails again Cindy Anthony did have her family's backing. She didn't want it. That's not what she wanted to hear. She hooked up with kidfinders. Whoever would go along with Cindy.

I hope she does get counseling. All of the Anthony's need it. All of them are so out of touch with reality.

The one email stating who Caylees father is or is not. Wow! I didn't know he was hispanic or should say who Casey says he is is hispanic.

And no, I'll have to agree with Rick that Caylee does not look hispanic.

This is the reason why much to a few posters chagrin I was bringing this up. I would think that Caylee's father would be looked into as to rule OUT the possiblity that her real father didn't take her and to further find out if he was alive and next of kin. Perhaps at trial this area will be addressed.

[VII]

Patience is a virtue, but when she was home on bail, Lord help me, if I thought my grandaughter was in danger I would have nearly beaten my daughter to death if she wouldn't tell me about those darn kidnappers or the truth.


yeah,
butt
you had Baez strolling through telling Casey not to talk to anyone
according to Lenny ...
and you had Lenny and Co in your house.
but, yeah,
I agree with you.
I'd have sold TICKETS to the crew in my house to see me beat the truth outta her ...
or they'd get outta my house.
But then again...
THANKfully,
I've not been the Grandmother of a Granddaughter murdered by my Daughter.

I've heard countless folks ~say~ what they'd do to a pedophile IF they ever found out their children had been abused ...
but few actually follow THROUGH with that
OR
we'd see LOTS of cases of vigilante justice.

Easy to say
almost impossible to do.

imo

[5boxersmom]

Carol you make a great point.

In the jailhouse interviews not once do they come right out and ask Casey if she did something to Caylee. I don't care if you were being taped. They dance around the obvious. I think that was probably how it always was in that family.

Even when Cindy was ask if she ever ask Caylee about Zanny. She said no it was all about being there with Caylee and loving her. In two years she never ask her? Why?

Maybe if you ignore it the nagging doubts will go away? Doesn't work that way.

imo

[Carol25]

December 24, 2008 - Wednesday (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=458799706)

Caylee’s Myspace Site Requests
Steffaroob, Thank you for the gentle reminder. I have the greatest respect for Caylee and endearing love for her. I know she is with the Lord and experiencing the Greatest Love.

And Michelle is right, everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That doesn't stop us from using our intellect to form opinions from facts and observations. I do not pronounce any of the Anthony's technically guilty. It is not my place.:wink:

You are a very good person Stef. Thanks for the reminder.

[rj1212]

I don't think that Cindy is a martyr, but if all of her relatives are right(and they have no reason to lie) Cindy worked her azz off to have that home and I don't blame her for not wanting to give it up. It is not that easy to buy a home and evidently she had pretty good credit in order to buy it as it is in her name. Therefore the salary that was considered was mostly hers, if not all hers. Let him get a job, build up his credit and buy his own house. I don't think that she would put money before her loved ones, she just did not consider that Casey would do what she did. Hind sight is always 20/20 - JMO:tonguewag:

Men do the same thing for irresponsible women all the time. Yes, hindsight is 20/20...agreed, but I think it applies to the lies of the Anthony's...it's apparent that they deserve each other.
mo

[courtsinsession]

I just picked up a copy of the Enquirer so take this for what you think it is worth but it makes sense to me.
Argument occurred on 6/16/08; she and Cindy had a bad argument and Casey was accused of being a bad mother. She and Caylee were last see at 2:30 pm when George left for work. Police believe Casey returned home and murdered Caylee "by a hard partying mother to whom she was becoming a burden".
Casey, they discovered had fallen in love with a new boyfriend, who, IF HE BECAME A FATHER DID NOT WANT GIRLS
AT 4:11 Casey began a frantic round of calls on her cell phone; the police believe she may have been about to confess or SHE WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH AN ALIBI; however, she never was able to reach anybody. She put Caylee's body in the trunk and went to meet Tony Lazarro; 2 days later the body was still in the trunk and Casey was alarmed by the odor; she drove to her parents and got a shovel from a neighbor and planned to bury Caylee near her favorite playhouse. but it was too difficult because of bamboo roots she she put Caylee in a garbage bag, sealed it with duct tape and put the body back in the trunk.
From there Casey took the bag and tossed it into the wooded area where Caylee was found. this was the area where Casey had played as a child.
a high school buddy Bailey Dickens told the Enquirer that he thinks an intense power struggle between Cindy and Casey as to how to raise Caylee caused Casey to snap

[Carol25]

Going thru those emails again Cindy Anthony did have her family's backing. She didn't want it. That's not what she wanted to hear. She hooked up with kidfinders. Whoever would go along with Cindy.

I hope she does get counseling. All of the Anthony's need it. All of them are so out of touch with reality.

The one email stating who Caylees father is or is not. Wow! I didn't know he was hispanic or should say who Casey says he is is hispanic.

And no, I'll have to agree with Rick that Caylee does not look hispanic.

This is the reason why much to a few posters chagrin I was bringing this up. I would think that Caylee's father would be looked into as to rule OUT the possiblity that her real father didn't take her and to further find out if he was alive and next of kin. Perhaps at trial this area will be addressed.
Oh, Neffy, I hope she gets counseling as well! She will not get out of this without it. Good counseling!!!!

George needs it, too!

What it up with Lee? Don't know what role he has to play. And I wonder what Mallory and her family thinks of all of this. Just wow.

Hope they all turn to God for help, too.

[steffaroob4]

Does anyone recall seeing a link for the blockbuster pictures of casey and Tony? I want to see that again.

nevermind, found it (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html)

what is on her head???

[legalmania]

I just picked up a copy of the Enquirer so take this for what you think it is worth but it makes sense to me.
Argument occurred on 6/16/08; she and Cindy had a bad argument and Casey was accused of being a bad mother. She and Caylee were last see at 2:30 pm when George left for work. Police believe Casey returned home and murdered Caylee "by a hard partying mother to whom she was becoming a burden".
Casey, they discovered had fallen in love with a new boyfriend, who, IF HE BECAME A FATHER DID NOT WANT GIRLS
AT 4:11 Casey began a frantic round of calls on her cell phone; the police believe she may have been about to confess or SHE WAS TRYING TO ESTABLISH AN ALIBI; however, she never was able to reach anybody. She put Caylee's body in the trunk and went to meet Tony Lazarro; 2 days later the body was still in the trunk and Casey was alarmed by the odor; she drove to her parents and got a shovel from a neighbor and planned to bury Caylee near her favorite playhouse. but it was too difficult because of bamboo roots she she put Caylee in a garbage bag, sealed it with duct tape and put the body back in the trunk.
From there Casey took the bag and tossed it into the wooded area where Caylee was found. this was the area where Casey had played as a child.
a high school buddy Bailey Dickens told the Enquirer that he thinks an intense power struggle between Cindy and Casey as to how to raise Caylee caused Casey to snap

The car was towed, I don't see where the car was towed?

[CC I See]

Steffaroob, Thank you for the gentle reminder. I have the greatest respect for Caylee and endearing love for her. I know she is with the Lord and experiencing the Greatest Love.

And Michelle is right, everyone is innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. That doesn't stop us from using our intellect to form opinions from facts and observations. I do not pronounce any of the Anthony's technically guilty. It is not my place.:wink:

You are a very good person Stef. Thanks for the reminder.

.... well just because they haven't had their day in court yet does not mean they are innocent either. Most people who go on trial for an offense are guilty.... I believe that a person is guilty unless proved innocent. Sorry, if this is not politically correct but given the violence and murder in the world today, we can't give those whom we suspect the benefit of the doubt by letting them post bond and walk among the innocent. How many child molesters are still free because they were able to hide what they have done and the court system sheltered them by claiming they were innocent until proven otherwise. What a load ... !

[nc1948]

Oh, Neffy, I hope she gets counseling as well! She will not get out of this without it. Good counseling!!!!

George needs it, too!

What it up with Lee? Don't know what role he has to play. And I wonder what Mallory and her family thinks of all of this. Just wow.

Hope they all turn to God for help, too.

MAllory and her mother are both trustees on the board of the Caylee Marie Foundation. I THINK I read that. No link.

[Neffy]

In one of the jail house visits, Casey makes a remark that she didn't tell anybody something. I bet this was the fight between her and Cindy.

Not that I'd take heart anything printed in the enquirer, it does provide information to research to find out what is true and what not.

Cindy and George's version of the happy family and LE's scenerio of what the evidence leads them to believe happened is the biggest problem of all. That is covering, lying, obstruction and what Cindy's brother was trying to get across to her.

Last email sums up Cindy's thoughts to everyone.

[barskin&co.]

Does anyone recall seeing a link for the blockbuster pictures of casey and Tony? I want to see that again.

nevermind, found it (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html)

what is on her head???

Oh, poor girl, she seems so distressed.:rolleyes:

[legalmania]

.... well just because they haven't had their day in court yet does not mean they are innocent either. Most people who go on trial for an offense are guilty.... I believe that a person is guilty unless proved innocent. Sorry, if this is not politically correct but given the violence and murder in the world today, we can't give those whom we suspect the benefit of the doubt by letting them post bond and walk among the innocent. How many child molesters are still free because they were able to hide what they have done and the court system sheltered them by claiming they were innocent until proven otherwise. What a load ... !

Yep CC even though it's unconstitutional when your arrested L.E. wants you to prove your not lying not the other way around. Even though we have this law most juries want you to prove your not lying also.

[2lakes]

Not that I'd take heart anything printed in the enquirer, it does provide information to research to find out what is true and what not.
.

A reporter with the National Enquirer contacted me for more information after I posted on a message board about a contestant on a reality show a few years ago. :lol:

[steffaroob4]

I feel sorry for Tony,...He had no clue he was sharing his nights with a possible baby killer :(

Yup, poor Tony, casey seems to damage all those around her.

I was trying to see what was on her head, what shoes she had on and if she had sunglasses on, to see what she was wearing that week (http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/17841181/detail.html).

[Jester]

Here's a link in response to discussion last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQBKRSWMWhA&feature=related

[Carol25]

MAllory and her mother are both trustees on the board of the Caylee Marie Foundation. I THINK I read that. No link.
Oh my. That's too bad.

[legalmania]

A reporter with the National Enquirer contacted me for more information after I posted on a message board about a contestant on a reality show a few years ago. :lol:

They don't mention the car being towed which would throw off that timeline.

[legalmania]

A reporter with the National Enquirer contacted me for more information after I posted on a message board about a contestant on a reality show a few years ago. :lol:

Oh really was it derogatory?

[barskin&co.]

Another nanny kidnaps another baby!!! But, wait...


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/26/Police-Miami-woman-pulls/1230312490.html

[tomsgirl]

Carol you make a great point.

In the jailhouse interviews not once do they come right out and ask Casey if she did something to Caylee. I don't care if you were being taped. They dance around the obvious. I think that was probably how it always was in that family.

Even when Cindy was ask if she ever ask Caylee about Zanny. She said no it was all about being there with Caylee and loving her. In two years she never ask her? Why?

Maybe if you ignore it the nagging doubts will go away? Doesn't work that way.

imo

That is ONE of my biggest problems with Cindy. Why in the world did she NEVER question the nanny bu!! that Casey was telling her? I cannot imagine any grandmother not knowing EVERYTHING about their grandaughters "nanny". I've said this before - NO ONE would keep one of my grandaughters without me at the very least knowing their phone number and address, especially since she lived with me and I was(for the most part) taking care of all her basic needs. What did Cindy think that Casey was using her salary for? She obviously wasn't helping ANY with household expenses and she couldn't spend every dime on a nanny and she was always running out of gas. It just seems that as long as no drama was going on at that minute, Cindy just breathed a sigh of relief and didn't want to "open that can of worms" she just wanted to experience a while of peace. You know that old saying "no news is good news" She was probably just waiting for the other shoe to drop and finally it did! Sorry my post is sooo long. JMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

BRIEF OFF TOPIC
Report: Miami woman made up story about baby son disappearing
But McCormic made up the whole story -- in fact, she fabricated the 6-month-old baby itself -- in a twisted attempted to hang on to a boyfriend living 1,400 miles away, Miami police told cbs4.com this morning.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-1226miamison,0,4681042.story

[playnice]

Another nanny kidnaps another baby!!! But, wait...


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/26/Police-Miami-woman-pulls/1230312490.html

The lastest craze in missing (by parents) children. Just blame it on the nanny. Another reason Casey can not get away with this.

[legalmania]

That is ONE of my biggest problems with Cindy. Why in the world did she NEVER question the nanny bu!! that Casey was telling her? I cannot imagine any grandmother not knowing EVERYTHING about their granddaughters "nanny". I've said this before - NO ONE would keep one of my granddaughters without me at the very least knowing their phone number and address, especially since she lived with me and I was(for the most part) taking care of all her basic needs. What did Cindy think that Casey was using her salary for? She obviously wasn't helping ANY with household expenses and she couldn't spend every dime on a nanny and she was always running out of gas. It just seems that as long as no drama was going on at that minute, Cindy just breathed a sigh of relief and didn't want to "open that can of worms" she just wanted to experience a while of peace. You know that old saying "no news is good news" She was probably just waiting for the other shoe to drop and finally it did! Sorry my post is sooo long. JMO

I believe that Mr. Baez told them what questions they could ask her.

[101Spots]

December 24, 2008 - Wednesday (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=458799706)

Caylee’s Myspace Site Requests

How the Committee for the Nobel Prize in Literature overlooked this opus is beyond me. It's a cryin' shame.

[5boxersmom]

BRIEF OFF TOPIC
Report: Miami woman made up story about baby son disappearing
But McCormic made up the whole story -- in fact, she fabricated the 6-month-old baby itself -- in a twisted attempted to hang on to a boyfriend living 1,400 miles away, Miami police told cbs4.com this morning.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-1226miamison,0,4681042.story

From the link.

Police say there was no nanny.


Seems to be a lot of that going around.

iml

[barskin&co.]

That is ONE of my biggest problems with Cindy. Why in the world did she NEVER question the nanny bu!! that Casey was telling her? I cannot imagine any grandmother not knowing EVERYTHING about their grandaughters "nanny". I've said this before - NO ONE would keep one of my grandaughters without me at the very least knowing their phone number and address, especially since she lived with me and I was(for the most part) taking care of all her basic needs. What did Cindy think that Casey was using her salary for? She obviously wasn't helping ANY with household expenses and she couldn't spend every dime on a nanny and she was always running out of gas. It just seems that as long as no drama was going on at that minute, Cindy just breathed a sigh of relief and didn't want to "open that can of worms" she just wanted to experience a while of peace. You know that old saying "no news is good news" She was probably just waiting for the other shoe to drop and finally it did! Sorry my post is sooo long. JMO

Exactly. Now, I can imagine a grandmother not knowing everything, or anything, about the woman her grown daughter employs as a "nanny," just not in the case when the grown, but quite obviously irresponsible, daughter lives under the same roof, and the granddaughter never mentions a word about said "nanny."

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name?

CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time.

QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name?

CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

[barskin&co.]

The lastest craze in missing (by parents) children. Just blame it on the nanny. Another reason Casey can not get away with this.

At least, in this case, there was no kidnapping, no nanny, and, blessedly, no baby, either!

[breezie]

I believe that Mr. Baez told them what questions they could ask her.

oh, please. In my own house? Caylee would have been foremost importance and Casey and her lawyer be damned. If she is innocent, what's to hide?

[Neffy]

brief off topic
report: Miami woman made up story about baby son disappearing
but mccormic made up the whole story -- in fact, she fabricated the 6-month-old baby itself -- in a twisted attempted to hang on to a boyfriend living 1,400 miles away, miami police told cbs4.com this morning.
http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/breakingnews/sfl-1226miamison,0,4681042.story

omg!

,,,,,,,,

Another 22yr old who has obviously followed Caylee's story.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 Video

Honoring Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=3A17BD966D324AC5A92B1B5A054342DC ?contentId=8145736&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

[legalmania]

oh, please. In my own house? Caylee would have been foremost importance and Casey and her lawyer be damned. If she is innocent, what's to hide?

I was talking about jail. Do we have a tape recording of them at home?

[courtsinsession]

The car was towed, I don't see where the car was towed?
there was nothing in the article about the car being towed

[playnice]

At least, in this case, there was no kidnapping, no nanny, and, blessedly, no baby, either!

The things people do to try to hang on to a man. Unbelievable.
They used to be able to say "You are the daddy" but now DNA takes care of that.

[steffaroob4]

Another nanny kidnaps another baby!!! But, wait...


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/26/Police-Miami-woman-pulls/1230312490.html

Well, that's strike two on the Nanny-napper defense. I think we could see this one being a hoak, just one look at the picture they were using made my hinky meter go off.

Sorry Jose, you didn't another present this year. Now all we have to is get this meter reader story pinned down and I see the DP being put back on the table. This isn't California and DNA isn't knew, juries won't be fooled by the garbage, not when they can see the blockbuster and fusian pictures.

Jose forgets that a jury of Casey's peers is going to judge her. People that work hard everyday to care for their children, parents that go without new clothes so their children can have nice shoes, parents they care for sick children, people that work three jobs just to go to college, people that support ailing parents/family, normal hard working people that give before they take.

[playnice]

Fox 35 Video

Honoring Caylee Anthony
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail;jsessionid=3A17BD966D324AC5A92B1B5A054342DC ?contentId=8145736&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=VSTY&pageId=1.1.1&sflg=1

I bet Casey hates all this attention Caylee is getting.

[breezie]

I was talking about jail. Do we have a tape recording of them at home?

I wouldn't care about taping either. It is obvious to me that they know Casey did something to Caylee. They might not have known exactly what, but they knew it wasn't good. They played along with her. Shameful.

[Jester]

Exactly. Now, I can imagine a grandmother not knowing everything, or anything, about the woman her grown daughter employs as a "nanny," just not in the case when the grown, but quite obviously irresponsible, daughter lives under the same roof, and the granddaughter never mentions a word about said "nanny."

QUESTION: Hey, Cindy, did Caylee ever talk about Zenaida Gonzalez? Did she ever say the baby-sitter's name?

CINDY ANTHONY: She talked about her puppy all the time.

QUESTION: Did she ever say the baby-sitters name?

CINDY ANTHONY: I never asked her about the baby-sitter. I mean, when I got her, it was all about her being home and getting love and playing and just doing stuff, so there was never a reason. She talked about her puppy all the time.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,402098,00.html

When I first read that, I thought it was facetious. Cindy is being asked about the nanny that is supposedly behind this, and she's talking about a dog? There was never a reason to ask Caylee about her day, or what she did? Why is Cindy avoiding the question?

[marshmallow]

That is ONE of my biggest problems with Cindy. Why in the world did she NEVER question the nanny bu!! that Casey was telling her? I cannot imagine any grandmother not knowing EVERYTHING about their grandaughters "nanny". I've said this before - NO ONE would keep one of my grandaughters without me at the very least knowing their phone number and address, especially since she lived with me and I was(for the most part) taking care of all her basic needs. What did Cindy think that Casey was using her salary for? She obviously wasn't helping ANY with household expenses and she couldn't spend every dime on a nanny and she was always running out of gas.




early on in this Cindy stated that she paid for the nanny/sitter, not Casey.

[legalmania]

I wouldn't care about taping either. It is obvious to me that they know Casey did something to Caylee. They might not have known exactly what, but they knew it wasn't good. They played along with her. Shameful.

Casey has manipulated her parents for years. They probably never thought she would lie and when she started getting caught by L.E. something had to click.

[Jester]

early on in this Cindy stated that she paid for the nanny/sitter, not Casey.

Did Cindy write the nanny a cheque, or did she give her lying, thieving daughter cash or cheque, and actually believe that the money was going to a nanny? Alternatively, is this another case of Casey cashing cheques written to someone else?

Cindy is lying all over the place, so hopefully there's some proof of this.

[barskin&co.]

When I first read that, I thought it was facetious. Cindy is being asked about the nanny that is supposedly behind this, and she's talking about a dog? There was never a reason to ask Caylee about her day, or what she did? Why is Cindy avoiding the question?

She said the same sort of thing ("there was no reason") when she is asked about her seeming lack of knowlege of Caylee's father.

[PROPROS]

How the Committee for the Nobel Prize in Literature overlooked this opus is beyond me. It's a cryin' shame.She has some nerve telling people to "think before they speak"...She and some of her "friends" should take that advise! mo

[happygert]

When I first read that, I thought it was facetious. Cindy is being asked about the nanny that is supposedly behind this, and she's talking about a dog? There was never a reason to ask Caylee about her day, or what she did? Why is Cindy avoiding the question?

IMO she was avoiding question because she knew the answer..There was no nanny. How many have had children that went to the sitters or a daycare? Didn't your children come home and say what happened or what they did or what little Johnny or Suzy did? Mine did all the time. I asked and if I didn't ask fast enough they volunteered the info. I can not believe that didnt ask her about the nanny or what she did that day.. Not Once in a year and half...GMAB! Unless of course she didnt care and didn't really have any interest as long as Caylee wasn't under her feet.. One more thing just how much time did Cindy spend with Caylee if Cindy didn't get home until around 6 and wasn't it said Caylee's bedtime was around 7. Well imo not mush time at all.. Considering Cindy having to get dinner fixed.......JMO NOT MUCH AT ALL

[Lavenia]

Here's a link in response to discussion last night.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fQBKRSWMWhA&feature=related


WOW! Why didn't whoever was with her engage her in any way? There was no feedback, no response, no nothing. I was expecting a good "Boo!" or "Gotcha!" or something when they went up under the tray... Several times, nay, many times in that video, I would have HAD to respond to her. :confused:

[legalmania]

there was nothing in the article about the car being towed

That's my problem, does anybody know off hand when the car was towed? She left the car because it ran out of gas and it was towed and George and Cindy went to the tow yard to pick it up. That's is when they said they smelt something. So all this would have taken place before.

[Lavenia]

Another nanny kidnaps another baby!!! But, wait...


http://www.necn.com/Boston/Nation/2008/12/26/Police-Miami-woman-pulls/1230312490.html

Yeah, read weird when it was posted yesterday. Someting not right!

[Cury-us Coyote]

December 24, 2008 - Wednesday (http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendID=122459029&blogID=458799706)

Caylee’s Myspace Site Requests

Second Anthony spokesperson steps down
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8071640

[steffaroob4]

She has some nerve telling people to "think before they speak"...She and some of her "friends" should take that advise! mo

That was my favorite part

just beyond bizarre...

[Jester]

She said the same sort of thing ("there was no reason") when she is asked about her seeming lack of knowlege of Caylee's father.

The only reason I can think of to explain why Cindy thinks there's no reason to ask about a nanny she pays, or the father of the child, is because she knows there's a problem and doesn't want to hear another lie.

[sunstar]

IMO she was avoiding question because she knew the answer..There was no nanny. How many have had children that went to the sitters or a daycare? Didn't your children come home and say what happened or what they did or what little Johnny or Suzy did? Mine did all the time. I asked and if I didn't ask fast enough they volunteered the info. I can not believe that didnt ask her about the nanny or what she did that day.. Not Once in a year and half...GMAB! Unless of course she didnt care and didn't really have any interest as long as Caylee wasn't under her feet.. One more thing just how much time did Cindy spend with Caylee if Cindy didn't get home until around 6 and wasn't it said Caylee's bedtime was around 7. Well imo not mush time at all.. Considering Cindy having to get dinner fixed.......JMO NOT MUCH AT ALL

IMO the first thing kids talk about is everything they did that day, and have to show their mom or dad things they've drawn, for example, as soon as they get home! I agree the answer's clear ~ there was no nanny and as talkative as Caylee seemed to be it was only a matter of time before she started telling people what she really was doing when out with Casey. MOO

[desmom]

early on in this Cindy stated that she paid for the nanny/sitter, not Casey.




and, and in the 7/30/08 interview with LE, http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html Cindy explains how she gave LE the last known number ... address she had for Zanny in case she ever had to pick up Caylee. (the first 2 minutes of the interview)

[sunstar]

That's my problem, does anybody know off hand when the car was towed? She left the car because it ran out of gas and it was towed and George and Cindy went to the tow yard to pick it up. That's is when they said they smelt something. So all this would have taken place before.

I thought it was June 30. MOO

[legalmania]

WOW! Why didn't whoever was with her engage her in any way? There was no feedback, no response, no nothing. I was expecting a good "Boo!" or "Gotcha!" or something when they went up under the tray... Several times, nay, many times in that video, I would have HAD to respond to her. :confused:

Cindy does that though she did the same thing on the Fathers day video, she didn't say anything, maybe she doesn't like the way her voice sounds??

[legalmania]

I thought it was June 30. MOO

I don't know.

[tomsgirl]

I believe that Mr. Baez told them what questions they could ask her.

Sorry legalmania, I guess I wasn't clear on what I was meaning. I meant before Caylee went missing, back the very first time that Cindy heard about a "nanny". My first question would have been: Great, I want her phone number and address and I will just call and introduce myself to her over the phone and tell her that if she ever has an emergency and can't find you to please call me. That just makes sense and what any grandmother would do. She did not do ANY of that and that is the part that I am trying to understand. JMO :confused:

[5boxersmom]

and, and in the 7/30/08 interview with LE, http://www.wftv.com/video/18035442/index.html Cindy explains how she gave LE the last known number ... address she had for Zanny in case she ever had to pick up Caylee. (the first 2 minutes of the interview)

But did she or was it another mis truth from Cindy?

imo

[Anakerie]

early on in this Cindy stated that she paid for the nanny/sitter, not Casey.
Cindy may have said that, but Casey contradicted her. Casey said that the "nanny" was taking care of Caylee for free because she "loved her"..

Too, too many contradictions in what Casey, Cindy, George and Lee have said.

[CC I See]

When I first read that, I thought it was facetious. Cindy is being asked about the nanny that is supposedly behind this, and she's talking about a dog? There was never a reason to ask Caylee about her day, or what she did? Why is Cindy avoiding the question?

...because she knew that Casey was not working and there was no Nanny but didn't want to upset Caylee demanding to know more information. I think that what Casey was doing was visiting different friends and leaving Caylee with them to look after her. The Nanny was probably whoever wouldn't or couldn't say no.

People who live in such a state of denial can explain just about anything..... just look at the wife of BTK killer or others that live with truly evil persons and never have a clue. I don't think their mind even sees what threatens their distorted reality.

[steffaroob4]

I wonder if casey had an x-box, I recall her talking about playing one. It sure would be interesting to see how much time she was playing on that thing.

I am still haunted by that hat with the shamrock, the one that lady found cut-up in the garbage.

[5boxersmom]

I don't know.

Casey abandoned the car June 27th. It was towed June 30th. The Anthony's picked it up July 15th.

[tomsgirl]

Well, that's strike two on the Nanny-napper defense. I think we could see this one being a hoak, just one look at the picture they were using made my hinky meter go off.

Sorry Jose, you didn't another present this year. Now all we have to is get this meter reader story pinned down and I see the DP being put back on the table. This isn't California and DNA isn't knew, juries won't be fooled by the garbage, not when they can see the blockbuster and fusian pictures.

Jose forgets that a jury of Casey's peers is going to judge her. People that work hard everyday to care for their children, parents that go without new clothes so their children can have nice shoes, parents they care for sick children, people that work three jobs just to go to college, people that support ailing parents/family, normal hard working people that give before they take.

Great post!! ITA mo also

[impartial]

IMO she was avoiding question because she knew the answer..There was no nanny. How many have had children that went to the sitters or a daycare? Didn't your children come home and say what happened or what they did or what little Johnny or Suzy did? Mine did all the time. I asked and if I didn't ask fast enough they volunteered the info. I can not believe that didnt ask her about the nanny or what she did that day.. Not Once in a year and half...GMAB! Unless of course she didnt care and didn't really have any interest as long as Caylee wasn't under her feet.. One more thing just how much time did Cindy spend with Caylee if Cindy didn't get home until around 6 and wasn't it said Caylee's bedtime was around 7. Well imo not mush time at all.. Considering Cindy having to get dinner fixed.......JMO NOT MUCH AT ALL


I started taking my twins to pre-school when they were close to 4 years of age. They didn't talk about what they did there, even when asked. Same thing with kindergarten ... what did you do in school today boys, "I don't remember", or some vague response.

I don't find it odd at all that Caylee would talk about a puppy ... most toddlers are infatuated with dogs, puppies, kittens, animals.

I'm not saying there was a nanny, I just don't think it's any big smoking gun that a 2 year old would not have much to say about their day. They live in the moment, not in the past or future.

IMO

[legalmania]

Sorry legalmania, I guess I wasn't clear on what I was meaning. I meant before Caylee went missing, back the very first time that Cindy heard about a "nanny". My first question would have been: Great, I want her phone number and address and I will just call and introduce myself to her over the phone and tell her that if she ever has an emergency and can't find you to please call me. That just makes sense and what any grandmother would do. She did not do ANY of that and that is the part that I am trying to understand. JMO :confused:

Leaving the kid is a big deal with all the child molesters out there, I would want their SS#, dob, tag, mothers maiden name, RIGHT.

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if casey had an x-box, I recall her talking about playing one. It sure would be interesting to see how much time she was playing on that thing.

I am still haunted by that hat with the shamrock, the one that lady found cut-up in the garbage.

I don't know but I remember someone posting that it looked like an xbox in her white backpack when she went to Baez's office. Anyone remember that?

[legalmania]

My 10 year old says I laugh more than anyone else he knows so I may be slanted in my opinion, but this was the kind of stuff I loved most when mine were little. Just everyday little stolen moments. OMG, those are just the best, most fun years ever!

I just can't imagine the restraint necessary to not respond. I would have busted!

I was talking to her just watching the video. How could you not say something to that sweet little face?

[Cury-us Coyote]

I bet Casey hates all this attention Caylee is getting.

Someone appears to appreciate the coverage, IMO. Why did the anonymous donor or someone believe it necessary to place the wrapped gifts at Caylee's memorial site for a half-hour and later transport to a Rescue Mission. Was it a photo-op? Is this the only mission in Orlando?

Update: Caylee's Toys, Casey's Christmas
http://www.wesh.com/video/18355236/index.html

[legalmania]

Casey abandoned the car June 27th. It was towed June 30th. The Anthony's picked it up July 15th.

O.k. so that timeline would work. Thanks I was just going to go look it up. :cursing:Ugg

[Jester]

WOW! Why didn't whoever was with her engage her in any way? There was no feedback, no response, no nothing. I was expecting a good "Boo!" or "Gotcha!" or something when they went up under the tray... Several times, nay, many times in that video, I would have HAD to respond to her. :confused:

That's what I found really odd. The camera person, most likely Casey, doesn't interact with Caylee at all. It's normal social development for a child to interact. A child that is neglected will develop all sorts of problems, including parent attachment problems.

I read an article a few months ago, but can't find it right now. Here's a similar one that discusses the problems associated with child neglect.

What I see in that video is a little girl that attempts to interact with her mom, and her mom in non-responsive. Caylee becomes non-responsive and stops trying to get attention. Instead, she stares out the window and amuses herself. It struck me as odd.

http://www.enotalone.com/article/9892.html

[tomsgirl]

early on in this Cindy stated that she paid for the nanny/sitter, not Casey.

Did she write a check for Casey to give to Zenida Gonzales or just give her cash? Did she pay her the same amount every week? I would like to know how that worked. Maybe that was Casey's spending money. She felt like it was her allowance. If Cindy gave her cash, wouldn't she need a receipt for tax purposes? I think childcare is tax deductable. I could be wrong. Just curious. JMO

[tomsgirl]

Did Cindy write the nanny a cheque, or did she give her lying, thieving daughter cash or cheque, and actually believe that the money was going to a nanny? Alternatively, is this another case of Casey cashing cheques written to someone else?

Cindy is lying all over the place, so hopefully there's some proof of this.

Sorry Jester, I posted almost the same thing before I read your post. I guess we are on the same wave length! LOL

[legalmania]

Someone appears to appreciate the coverage, IMO. Why did the anonymous donor or someone believe it necessary to place the wrapped gifts at Caylee's memorial site for a half-hour and later transport to a Rescue Mission. Was it a photo-op? Is this the only mission in Orlando?

Update: Caylee's Toys, Casey's Christmas
http://www.wesh.com/video/18355236/index.html

Opening up the present is half the fun. Of course it was staged, how are they suppose to promote their charity?

[playnice]

Second Anthony spokesperson steps down
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8071640
donations to KF must have dried up. jmo

[sunstar]

...because she knew that Casey was not working and there was no Nanny but didn't want to upset Caylee demanding to know more information. I think that what Casey was doing was visiting different friends and leaving Caylee with them to look after her. The Nanny was probably whoever wouldn't or couldn't say no.

People who live in such a state of denial can explain just about anything..... just look at the wife of BTK killer or others that live with truly evil persons and never have a clue. I don't think their mind even sees what threatens their distorted reality.
When was it that Cindy found out Casey had taken Caylee to an adult party when she was supposed to be at work? Was it before or after Caylee was reported missing? If before, and I was the grandmother, that would really make me distrust anything Casey said as to who was taking care of Caylee. MOO

[Jester]

Cindy does that though she did the same thing on the Fathers day video, she didn't say anything, maybe she doesn't like the way her voice sounds??

If it's Cindy, the it explains Casey's problem to me. It almost seems like Caylee is objectified. The photos are the same ... loads of photos of Caylee playing dress up. It's like the videos and photos are taken to share with friends as "what a cute little accessory we have in the house."

[legalmania]

Sorry Jester, I posted almost the same thing before I read your post. I guess we are on the same wave length! LOL

Deja-Vu that is so funny.

[5boxersmom]

Someone appears to appreciate the coverage, IMO. Why did the anonymous donor or someone believe it necessary to place the wrapped gifts at Caylee's memorial site for a half-hour and later transport to a Rescue Mission. Was it a photo-op? Is this the only mission in Orlando?

Update: Caylee's Toys, Casey's Christmas
http://www.wesh.com/video/18355236/index.html

That is strange. Why not just take them straight to the mission? Probably Lenny. :punch:

imo

[sunstar]

Did she write a check for Casey to give to Zenida Gonzales or just give her cash? Did she pay her the same amount every week? I would like to know how that worked. Maybe that was Casey's spending money. She felt like it was her allowance. If Cindy gave her cash, wouldn't she need a receipt for tax purposes? I think childcare is tax deductable. I could be wrong. Just curious. JMO

I'm not sure about a tax deduction for child care since Cindy wasn't the parent or guardian. :shrug: MOO

[2lakes]

Did Cindy write the nanny a cheque, or did she give her lying, thieving daughter cash or cheque, and actually believe that the money was going to a nanny? Alternatively, is this another case of Casey cashing cheques written to someone else?

Cindy is lying all over the place, so hopefully there's some proof of this.

Most likely Casey told her mother that zanny the make believe nanny only accepted cash. Wouldn't it be great if there were checks written that Casey cashed.

I really felt emphathy for Cindy after reading the emails between her family members. How sad that she was walked all over by those closest to her.

[Carol25]

When I read what everyone is writing, I think once the prosecution is done, the defense will ask for a recess and go for a plea deal (a lousy one at that) or plead guilty and ask for mercy.

[Neffy]

Opening up the present is half the fun. Of course it was staged, how are they suppose to promote their charity?

What I find interesting as this was done with the very obvious Anthony and Co. absent - help not wanted.

Whereas the Anthony's took it upon themselves to donate what they saw at Caylee's memorial site to the shelter, this donation was done from beginning to end without the Anthony input.

Presents bought wrapped and call placed before the presents arrived.

It is truly an anonymous gift in loving memory of Caylee with NO ONE taking credit.

We've seen the Anthony family remove first memorial then the public went down the street.

Memorial down the street - the Anthony's took charge of that also sending some Producer to do the bidding and had the Anthony name attached to the donation.

This was a complete anonymous "SOLO" donation. No Anthony input whatsoever.

Interesting. Maybe I'm just looking into it to much?

[Carol25]

And the rest of the Anthony's may be shaking in their boots.

[Neffy]

When I read what everyone is writing, I think once the prosecution is done, the defense will ask for a recess and go for a plea deal (a lousy one at that) or plead guilty and ask for mercy.

I think the plea deal ship has sailed.

[Lavenia]

That's what I found really odd. The camera person, most likely Casey, doesn't interact with Caylee at all. It's normal social development for a child to interact. A child that is neglected will develop all sorts of problems, including parent attachment problems.

I read an article a few months ago, but can't find it right now. Here's a similar one that discusses the problems associated with child neglect.

What I see in that video is a little girl that attempts to interact with her mom, and her mom in non-responsive. Caylee becomes non-responsive and stops trying to get attention. Instead, she stares out the window and amuses herself. It struck me as odd.

http://www.enotalone.com/article/9892.html


Yes, she been filmed like a *specimen* would. I'm not saying the person taking this doesn't love this child, but there IS clear poor communication skills, IMO. There were all kinds of instances to have engaged Caylee and taken the "conversation" further. I was grinning like a fool when they went up under the tray because I was wanting to pop up and make her squeal in delight!

[steffaroob4]

I'm not sure about a tax deduction for child care since Cindy wasn't the parent or guardian. :shrug: MOO

I am pretty sure CA could have deducted Caylee, she was supporting her, as long as casey wasn't putting her on her tax returns, there would be no issue. Caylee would have been a dependant of CA.

[Jester]

Sorry Jester, I posted almost the same thing before I read your post. I guess we are on the same wave length! LOL

Yep. Cindy needs to tell the truth for a change. I think she made up the story about paying the nanny so she could make the nanny seem real to the police. It reminds me of when she said that the nanny has a house key. Both lies seem to be about making the nanny into a real person and getting Casey out of jail.

Cindy may be talking about money stolen from her every month, and pretending it was going to a nanny.

[sunstar]

When I read what everyone is writing, I think once the prosecution is done, the defense will ask for a recess and go for a plea deal (a lousy one at that) or plead guilty and ask for mercy.

I'd be very surprised if Casey ever admits to killing Caylee. MO

[sunstar]

I am pretty sure CA could have deducted Caylee, she was supporting her, as long as casey wasn't putting her on her tax returns, there would be no issue. Caylee would have been a dependant of CA.

Oh thanks ~ you're right the A's were supporting Caylee and she lived in their house, I just didn't think the IRS would recognize her as a dependent. MOO

[Neffy]

I'd be very surprised if Casey ever admits to killing Caylee. MO

ITA! I can't see her ever admitting it. Then it would be over. She can't end it.

[5boxersmom]

Oh thanks ~ you're right the A's were supporting Caylee and she lived in their house, I just didn't think the IRS would recognize her as a dependent. MOO

Yes they will if you are providing 50% of their care.

[sunstar]

Once she does that, Casey loses two things she cherishes: The spotlight and control. IMO

So true! And she'd be an admitted child killer. But if she admits nothing, even when she's convicted by a jury she can still say she's innocent. MOO

[bchand]

WOW! Why didn't whoever was with her engage her in any way? There was no feedback, no response, no nothing. I was expecting a good "Boo!" or "Gotcha!" or something when they went up under the tray... Several times, nay, many times in that video, I would have HAD to respond to her. :confused:


Hi Lavenia - Afternoon Everyone - I've always had the same feelings about the video they shot of Caylee. It's like a silent movie, they don't even talk to her.

Whenever I'm taking pictures or video of my grandkids, I'm blabbing to them the entire time.

It makes it all seem very sad to me.

[girlspell]

When I read what everyone is writing, I think once the prosecution is done, the defense will ask for a recess and go for a plea deal (a lousy one at that) or plead guilty and ask for mercy.


The only thing the defense is going to plan is a hung jury outcome. All they need is reasonable doubt. If they go with Zanny/nanny they will have to show proof of her alive and well. So they are going for the forensic evidence and try and dig holes. They will do the same with circumstance part. As in Casey was framed. The dream team they put together are experts in confusing the jury. They were successful in the Spector trial after all. So it's going to be either guilty or hung. And never think it will be a slam dunk. At least a 30% chance Casey might escape with a hung jury.

[sunstar]

Yes they will if you are providing 50% of their care.

I appreciate the information! :)

[legalmania]

What I find interesting as this was done with the very obvious Anthony and Co. absent - help not wanted.

Whereas the Anthony's took it upon themselves to donate what they saw at Caylee's memorial site to the shelter, this donation was done from beginning to end without the Anthony input.

Presents bought wrapped and call placed before the presents arrived.

It is truly an anonymous gift in loving memory of Caylee with NO ONE taking credit.

We've seen the Anthony family remove first memorial then the public went down the street.

Memorial down the street - the Anthony's took charge of that also sending some Producer to do the bidding and had the Anthony name attached to the donation.

This was a complete anonymous "SOLO" donation. No Anthony input whatsoever.

Interesting. Maybe I'm just looking into it to much?

Yes I like this I have worked with the National Center For Missing and Exploited Children (good cause) and it is so hard to get donations unless it's the holidays or there is a high profile case going. It is so said because they look for the babies they sometimes look for the teenagers and nobody looks for adults except the families. Anybody can have a banner on their website if you got to NCFMEC for instructions. Thought I take this opportunity to promote that charity.

[Carol25]

Wonder what it would be like for KC when it's all over. She's sitting there probably serving LWOP. Where would her mind be? Still lying to her new friends?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Fox 35 Video

Judge orders release of Caylee Anthony evidence
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8133022&version=1&locale=EN-US

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8131636

[Carol25]

The only thing the defense is going to plan is a hung jury outcome. All they need is reasonable doubt. If they go with Zanny/nanny they will have to show proof of her alive and well. So they are going for the forensic evidence and try and dig holes. They will do the same with circumstance part. As in Casey was framed. The dream team they put together are experts in confusing the jury. They were successful in the Spector trial after all. So it's going to be either guilty or hung. And never think it will be a slam dunk. At least a 30% chance Casey might escape with a hung jury.
I just can't see it with her behavior. They have the body and other evidence. The behavior is the icing on the cake. Just as in the Peterson case. You cannot get around it.

[legalmania]

When I read what everyone is writing, I think once the prosecution is done, the defense will ask for a recess and go for a plea deal (a lousy one at that) or plead guilty and ask for mercy.

I am hoping that the meter reader decided to document what he saw by taking pictures of the site. I think that would throw out the defenses claim if they try that the bag was not there.

[sunstar]

Wonder what it would be like for KC when it's all over. She's sitting there probably serving LWOP. Where would her mind be? Still lying to her new friends?

Probably telling the other inmates about Zanny the nanny and how she (Casey) was wrongfully convicted. MOO

[legalmania]

Yes they will if you are providing 50% of their care.

They call it independent dependent, IRS you gotta love um.

[sunstar]

I am hoping that the meter reader decided to document what he saw by taking pictures of the site. I think that would throw out the defenses claim if they try that the bag was not there.

If I were him and found something I thought was possible evidence in a missing person's case I sure would take a picture of it with my cell phone. I haven't heard anything about him doing that though. MOO

[legalmania]

Maybe they'll claim that Zanny is an illegal who killed Caylee then fled south of the border to escape justice. The old "blame it on a minority" defense--just like Geragos blamed the Hawaiians, the Aruban police blamed the black security guards, Susan Smith blamed a black man, and so on.

The problem is why would a nanny take away the very source of her income? This case is crazy. The simple explanation is the one we know it to be.

Yes or that Zenaida was an imposter. She had fake I.D. I was just talking about the similarities between Casey and Susan Smith.

[legalmania]

If I were him and found something I thought was possible evidence in a missing person's case I sure would take a picture of it with my cell phone. I haven't heard anything about him doing that though. MOO

His attorney said they had more and it would come later. I am just hoping.

[Jester]

...and if anyone is wondering how Casey became what she was, here is a sampling of the type of person who raised her. A family of liars. IMO

I wonder if the authorities will charge the parents with obstructing justice. Not a bad idea, IMO.

I would like to see the family charged with obstruction, and I think they know they've interfered with the investigation. Why else would they want immunity? I doubt they will be charged, though, as they have a bigger fish to fry with Casey.