Caylee Anthony - Dec 26/08

[Oregongal]

:seeya:
Hi again all.
Geez, I have had a bunch of puter probs since I last posted....while I was watching NG.
My wireless signal went out, then my dial up was acting up.
It's taken me this long to get back on the board.
And now I find myself soooo far behind....and the posts have reached waaay over 1000.
Is there another thread started? Is one going to be started?
HELP! Let me know what's happening please!
:crying:

[steffaroob4]

I can't believe we can post pictures. Do you mean this one where her binder says "Media Coverage"?
http://i132.photobucket.com/albums/q13/jwi777/Binder.jpg

That pictures all makes me think, "Is this how I would dress if my child was missing?"

[playnice]

This thread is getting pretty long. I made a new one.
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347101

[MrsHudson]

I was reading some replies here and did I read correctly in that someone thought CA/GA should look people in the eye from camera or otherwise and apologize to the people and public?

snipped....
They owe no one nothing , what they do deserve is to be left alone .

I still think they lied.....a lot! :sneaky:

[5boxersmom]

Ok are we here or there? :unsure:

[happygert]

OMG she said that? Sounds like something Casey would say.

yes she most definitely said that

[Pruddennce]

Just wanted to add that I will not be surprized if we see Lee Anthony being charged very soon, with BIG developments regarding his involvement in this case.

He came onto the scene in full "cover up mode', (messing with the laptop)......switched into "I am investigating as a junior PI" mode, claiming he has connections, his sources, being the 'go-between' between the parents and LE (per Cindy in her LE interview) makes a few wierd statements to the press, in between maniacal laughter, and then up and withholds dna and fingerprints until court ordered.

I agree.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Neffy]

And that Lee used Caylee funds "for his own investigation". :ohmy:

Yes, exactly what does that mean used funds for his own investigation? Gas money? Did he take days off of work unpaid to devote to his "investigation" and want compensation? Did he silk screen separate T shirts? I like the way that when called to task everyone would just like to reimburse monies taken and say fuggitaboutit. Whether it be from friends, grandparents, the public.

[Oregongal]

Thank you Playnice.
I'm here. If you saw my last post on the other thread you know I was very confused.
Hopefully the others will follow.
There is no way I can catch up at this point and so appreciate a nice new thread.
:wub:

[MalloryCat]

It bears repeating, Joolz. It has been like listening to a broken record for weeks now -- posters expressing their hatred of Casey, Cindy, George, Lee ad nauseum instead of trying to get to the bottom of this case and putting the responsible person behind bars for this heinous crime. If posters here were sincerely interested in justice for Caylee, they'd be trying to establish the facts instead of being obsessed with rumor.

I'm sorry to say this, but there are very few posters here who could investigate their way out of a wet paper bag. That doesn't do any justice for Caylee.

I think the truth hurts, I think a few who are so irate with Cindy identify with her on some familiar levels.

jmo

[playnice]

I would not be surprised at what comes out but Im thinking charges will wait until after little Caylees funeral. Heck if they did it before there may not be anyone left to attend.

[SavannahStar]

Just wanted to add that I will not be surprized if we see Lee Anthony being charged very soon, with BIG developments regarding his involvement in this case.

No way and wanna make a bet? :biggrin: You are wrong, wrong, wrong. IMO. :biggrin:

[Lavenia]

Thanks playnice!

Another day, another media disaster.

[4Life]

up to the top this thread goes

:thumbup:

[nc1948]

It bears repeating, Joolz. It has been like listening to a broken record for weeks now -- posters expressing their hatred of Casey, Cindy, George, Lee ad nauseum instead of trying to get to the bottom of this case and putting the responsible person behind bars for this heinous crime. If posters here were sincerely interested in justice for Caylee, they'd be trying to establish the facts instead of being obsessed with rumor.

I'm sorry to say this, but there are very few posters here who could investigate their way out of a wet paper bag. That doesn't do any justice for Caylee.


I can do nothing to convict Casey. I have no power in the case. I am just a bystander who is interested in this case. I love to read everyones scenarios, guesses, thoughts, and ideas. There is not one thing I can do to get to the bottom of this case. There is not one thing I can do to put Casey in jail. To think any of us has any of these powers doesn't make sense to me. This is a forum. Not judge or jury. We are just expressing our opinions. Some valid, some great, some dumb, but all just our opinions.

[playnice]

I dont get why Lees attorney would make these statements unless he thinks an arrest is about to happen.

[5boxersmom]

Is it typical for adult kids to have their parents credit cards?

In this case, its Casey having Cindys credit cards, knowing that Casey is a liar, thief, etc..she LETS her have her credit cards?
I don't get that..

My kids are 28,25 and 24, NONE have ever had my credit cards whatsoever.

My son has used mine but he always gives it right back to me. Does not pack it around.

[MerriMent]

I think that at this point, Cindy just wants to be left alone. I have no problem with you believing sharon to be the queen of grieving, I just don't see things that way.

at this point Cindy appears to have circled the wagons and isn't venturing out in public all that much, if at all.

I agree Rocha isn't a good comparison but for different reason. Rocha isn't the mother of the alleged killer, she is the mother and grandmother of the victim. I'm trying to remember if Scott Peterson's parents angrily confronted the angry public and media that congregated outside his house those many months and I don't recall anything similar to the outbursts from the Anthonys.

[4Life]

New Caylee started by playnice

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347101

[happygert]

I still think they lied.....a lot! :sneaky:

They ABSOLUTELY LIED and LIED and LIED!.. Cindy Why did you change your mind about the smell of death in the car? What made me change my mind? I never changed my mind I said what ever I could think of to get LE out there.. Our PI has found out EVERYTHING Casey has said was the TRUTH!..The PI's are watching the one who have kdinapped her.I could go on about for hours about all the lies.....

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thank you Playnice.
I'm here. If you saw my last post on the other thread you know I was very confused.
Hopefully the others will follow.
There is no way I can catch up at this point and so appreciate a nice new thread.
:wub:


Could Lee Anthony face charges?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8150793

Videos
Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges which could be brought against his client.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151104&version=1&locale=EN-US

Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donations collected by his client on behalf of Caylee.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151115&version=1&locale=EN-US

[happygert]

happygert
Registered User Join Date: Oct 2008
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Quote:
Originally Posted by MrsHudson
I still think they lied.....a lot!

They ABSOLUTELY LIED and LIED and LIED!.. Cindy Why did you change your mind about the smell of death in the car? What made me change my mind? I never changed my mind I said what ever I could think of to get LE out there.. Our PI has found out EVERYTHING Casey has said was the TRUTH!..The PI's are watching the one who have kdinapped her.I could go on about for hours about all the lies.....
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[Neffy]

It bears repeating, Joolz. It has been like listening to a broken record for weeks now -- posters expressing their hatred of Casey, Cindy, George, Lee ad nauseum instead of trying to get to the bottom of this case and putting the responsible person behind bars for this heinous crime. If posters here were sincerely interested in justice for Caylee, they'd be trying to establish the facts instead of being obsessed with rumor.

I'm sorry to say this, but there are very few posters here who could investigate their way out of a wet paper bag. That doesn't do any justice for Caylee.

Yes it it and I wish you would call it quits. I logged off 4 or more hours ago and your still posting the same thing.

If you find it so disparging there are a million other boards out there. I can say the same of these type posts HOW ARE YOU HELPING by critiqueing others? You are obsessed with calling others to task. Same thing.

I've had it with this sanctimonious nonsense. Who's better then who?
A wet paper bag? "I'm sorry to say this, but there are very few posters here who could investigate their way out of a wet paper bag" GOOD GRIEF! Not as sorry as I am to have to read what you think.

Give it a break.

[playnice]

IMO nobody in the family will be charged until after the trial. They will be needed as witnesses and IF they lie (did I type that) they could be charged then. MOO

Lee has hardly been mentioned lately so why does his lawyer just pop out and make these statements? Makes no sense.

[playnice]

That statement when the lawyer called Caylee Lees daughter reminded me when George said "That body in the trunk was not my granddaughter."

[MerriMent]

Its not a long strip of road , he actually gave great details and darn ,if he could SEE it from the ROAD then LE should have too.Problem is someone didn't want to get their boots wey and dirty and who do we blame for that ? LE , sorry it is their JOB and they did NOT follow through , what did they want someone to take the bag up to them ? Well I guess that is what they expected , the guy had to kick the bag himself , thats just pathetic , LE is to blame for the months of searches , thats just the way it is OMO

The question I have is when did he really kick that bag? How did he know LE didn't follow through on his August tips? How could he possibly know they never checked it out? The only reason I can come up with is that he initially saw more than he has admitted and knew it was Caylee. If this guy now turns around and tries to profit from this, his credibility is gone.

[happygert]

I love you Happy and I think you are reading my mind. Good night my friend.

Thank you Guitarded I love you too and Good night my friend.

[MrsHudson]

Speaking of LE wasting their time, it does seem they wasted A LOT of time ,imagine the money and time all would have saved had they followed up on the merer readers 3 phone calls. Would have saved Tim lots of money the FBI and so may others , to add up those funds that were wasted is enormous ......... really think of it .......IF they had EVER looked in the BAG that was reported 3 times ,$$$$$$$$$ would have been saved for sure .

So how is it their wanting to believe the daughter they love did not harm the grand daughter they loved would have saved the tax payers money ? Do you think that anything the Anthonys have said prevented LE from any action they took or did not take ? No ,its just not the case at all ...nothing they have said has made any posotive or negative impact on this case ,its just not true .


Yes these things did hurt the investigation, and they were meant to hurt the investigation, and if they did not IT WAS NOT FOR LACK OF TRYING.

You are defending their lies. If they did not already believe that Casey had something to do with Caylee's being missing why did they lie to defend her? Why did they look under the playhouse for Caylee's grave after they got the car home?

What exactly do you see in them? Were you most impressed by their brawling with the protesters or was it the way that George told LE he suspected there was never a nanny then told Greta in all sincerity that Casey took Caylee to the nanny's on the morning of the 16th?

Now when they tell LE one thing and the media another, LE has to wonder which one is the truth. Then they go on TV trashing LE telling "mistruths" about LE to take the heat off Casey. Worst of all they try to pin the "kidnapping" on Casey's innocent friends, who have jobs and are decent, while they know Casey is a psycho.

If nothing else they do owe an apology to Amy and Jesse for accusing them of kidnapping Caylee. Poor kids were Casey's victims, not the other way around.

[Oregongal]

Could Lee Anthony face charges?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8150793

Videos
Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges which could be brought against his client.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151104&version=1&locale=EN-US

Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donations collected by his client on behalf of Caylee.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151115&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thank you so much friend.
My dial up is still acting pretty crappy, I can't believe how long it's taken me to get this far on a brand new thread. Grrrrrrr!
Will go to try and check these links out....if you all don't see me for awhile....send the dogs out to search for me.
:wink:

[Nellie]

IMO nobody in the family will be charged until after the trial. They will be needed as witnesses and IF they lie (did I type that) they could be charged then. MOO

Can the videotapes they have be used at trial?
If so, then I don't think they need them to be witnesses at trial....they have their tapes to do that.
Furthermore, I think if they do need their testiomy, they could still be charged now and be giving a "deal" to testify against Casey for a lighter sentence.

I find it interesting that Lee's attorney said that you're either a "witness or a suspect". How about just being the "victim of a tragedy"? I think his comment says a lot. Most family members are not thought of as "either a witness or a suspect", but grieving victims.

[playnice]

cindy George and Lee are on the prosecution witness list.
What happens if they are called to testify and take the 5th?

[True2Blues]

Conway says he plans to ask for 'full immunity' for his clients, Cindy & George.

Luka seems to be following Conway's lead. I wouldn't be surprised if Luka plans to ask for 'full immunity' for his client, Lee.

Time will tell.

Interesting how sure they all are that they're going to need it, despite the fact that both attorneys claim their clients have done nothing wrong.

[happygert]

Ok wasn't KFN selling those teeshirts? Didnt Cindy tell casey that Annie brought over the teeshirts they wore to the jail that one day? Didn't George go to kinko's to get donated supplies from them for Tim Miller and they never showed up and Tim had to replace those items at his expense at the cost of $1,500 dollars? Just what the heck ios going on here.....I know what I'm thinking...

Lee gave DNA yes but not willingly he had to be court ordered, yes he gave his fingerprints but once again court ordered....Who are they trying to kid?

[True2Blues]

Can the videotapes they have be used at trial?
If so, then I don't think they need them to be witnesses at trial....they have their tapes to do that.
Furthermore, I think if they do need their testiomy, they could still be charged now and be giving a "deal" to testify against Casey for a lighter sentence.

I find it interesting that Lee's attorney said that you're either a "witness or a suspect". How about just being the "victim of a tragedy"? I think his comment says a lot. Most family members are not thought of as "either a witness or a suspect", but grieving victims.


I thought that statement was odd too. As you said, family are very often neither witness nor suspect.

[playnice]

What does last nite mean in your thread title? I feel like I'm in the Twilight Zone. It is the nite of the 26th tonite PST.

Typing errors and I couldnt figure out how to edit it. sorry:blushing:

[MrsHudson]

at this point Cindy appears to have circled the wagons and isn't venturing out in public all that much, if at all.

I agree Rocha isn't a good comparison but for different reason. Rocha isn't the mother of the alleged killer, she is the mother and grandmother of the victim. I'm trying to remember if Scott Peterson's parents angrily confronted the angry public and media that congregated outside his house those many months and I don't recall anything similar to the outbursts from the Anthonys.


Cindy is like Jackie Peterson. Both had a child who killed their grandchild.

[5boxersmom]

Interesting how sure they all are that they're going to need it, despite the fact that both attorneys claim their clients have done nothing wrong.

Yep why is it even being discussed if they did nothing wrong?

[aubrey04]

No way and wanna make a bet? :biggrin: You are wrong, wrong, wrong. IMO. :biggrin:

:rolleyes:

C_E just said s/he wouldn't be surprised if Lee got arrested and charged... Not that Lee WILL be arrested.. just that it is a possibility.

Lee's lawyer is the one who brought the entire thing up. Did you miss his interview? Lee's own lawyer, Mr. Luka, said this to foxorlando..

quote:

Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

[MerriMent]

It's been very apparent these past few nights. It's so easy for some posters to sit in the comfort of their own living rooms/dens/trailers to judge Cindy keeping a roof over everyone's heads all these years, staying gainfully employed as a nurse, keeping the refridgerator full of food for Casey, Caylee and George, whilst George was pilfering their money away on Nigerian scams and online gambling, and Casey was off f**king around with whoever she wanted. Coming home after work and and on her days off and vacations days, Cindy made sure Caylee had a happy home to enjoy AND spent the time consulting with laywers trying to gain custody of Caylee.

It astounds me, ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDS ME, that women on this board wouldn't support a strong woman like Cindy who, against all odds, tried to keep this all together. I've read posts of women on this board who have said they would have done anything and everything to have prevented what happened; yet when met with evidence that Cindy did, they label her a *****. As a woman, I'm disgusted. Truly and absolutely disgusted.

There is no excuse for Cindy choking Casey. Violence isn't a sign of strength, it is a sign of serious dysfunction.

[Mamie]

She said "the night"???? I'll have to listen to NG again, I still have it taped. Thanks!

Okay, impartial-----I just listened to the whole NG thing again and there was no night mentioned in reference to June 9th, the last time Casey said she saw Caylee. There was no reference of what time of day at all except in one area, towards the end, where LE says in a question to her about June 9th, they say, "morning of" and she confirmed that. The 9th was uttered, June 9th was uttered, the day of June 9th was uttered but nothing about the night of June 9th.

[True2Blues]

Ok wasn't KFN selling those teeshirts? Didnt Cindy tell casey that Annie brought over the teeshirts they wore to the jail that one day? Didn't George go to kinko's to get donated supplies from them for Tim Miller and they never showed up and Tim had to replace those items at his expense at the cost of $1,500 dollars? Just what the heck ios going on here.....I know what I'm thinking...

Lee gave DNA yes but not willingly he had to be court ordered, yes he gave his fingerprints but once again court ordered....Who are they trying to kid?

Pretty much everyone, just like they have been trying to do all along, but it doesn't seem to be taking with a lot of people.

[aubrey04]

Could Lee Anthony face charges?
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/ContentDetail?contentId=8150793

Videos
Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on possible charges which could be brought against his client.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151104&version=1&locale=EN-US

Lee Anthony's attorney, Thomas Luka, on donations collected by his client on behalf of Caylee.
http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/MyFox/pages/sidebar_video.jsp?contentId=8151115&version=1&locale=EN-US

Thanks for the links, Cury. :biggrin: It appears Savannah is out of the loop.

jmo

[playnice]

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

Sounds like he is admitting Lee did but not on purpose.

[5boxersmom]

Is Lee the investigator that was watching the kidnappers move Caylee 9 times? :scared:

[MerriMent]

Cindy is like Jackie Peterson. Both had a child who killed their grandchild.

Is Cindy's personality like Jackie Peterson's? I don't remember. Did Jackie ever verbally or physically get into a brawl with the many who stood outside shouting taunts at Scott? I remember a couple of radio DJ's who used a bullhorn to call him a killer.

[nc1948]

I can do nothing to convict Casey. I have no power in the case. I am just a bystander who is interested in this case. I love to read everyones scenarios, guesses, thoughts, and ideas. There is not one thing I can do to get to the bottom of this case. There is not one thing I can do to put Casey in jail. To think any of us has any of these powers doesn't make sense to me. This is a forum. Not judge or jury. We are just expressing our opinions. Some valid, some great, some dumb, but all just our opinions.
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[Pruddennce]

Lee has hardly been mentioned lately so why does his lawyer just pop out and make these statements? Makes no sense.

because Lee was deciding which piece of information was going to be turned over to LE (Cindy A telling LE in her interview why they did not get the JCPenny statement: Lee has it she says....she states Lee told her HE was the go-between)

http://www.truecrimereport.com/2008/09/one_of_cindy_anthonys_intervie.php

last video on that page, starting at about 1:33.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[Lavenia]

cindy George and Lee are on the prosecution witness list.
What happens if they are called to testify and take the 5th?

They can only do that to avoid self incrimination. They MUST testify truthfully and fully against anyone else. It is a contemptible offense and IF there is any immunity deal, it's gone, baby, gone.

[happygert]

cindy George and Lee are on the prosecution witness list.
What happens if they are called to testify and take the 5th?

Then I would if I was prosecution they'd all be charged. Tampering lying, destroying evidence, obstruction of justice aiding her, anything I could I'd throw the book at them.....I'd even get them for child neglect. Child endangerment. If they knew casey was unfit and didnt protect her I'd charge there sorry azzes with everything.

[5boxersmom]

Probably the same reason why all the other rumors are discussed.

Not by us. The lawyer. Why is the lawyer saying it? It's not a rumor he said it. The lawyer.

[True2Blues]

Yep why is it even being discussed if they did nothing wrong?

That's the $64,000 question. Although Lee's attorney did seem to intimate that LE ran around arresting people for aiding and abetting even when they didn't do so knowingly. That seems dim to me, since that person would normally be so horrified at being in any way connected to something as vile as the murder of a 2 year old child, that I would think they'd be more than willing to help LE in any way and testify. Although, of course, that isn't Lee's reaction at all.

[Nellie]

:rolleyes:

C_E just said s/he wouldn't be surprised if Lee got arrested and charged... Not that Lee WILL be arrested.. just that it is a possibility.

Lee's lawyer is the one who brought the entire thing up. Did you miss his interview? Lee's own lawyer, Mr. Luka, said this to foxorlando..

quote:

Now, the attorney representing Casey's brother, tells MyFoxOrlando.com that Lee Anthony may also face charges.

"Not because he has done anything wrong," said Thomas Luka. As a former prosecutor, Luka said that the State Attorney's Office could seek to charge Lee with obstruction of justice or aiding and abetting, even if was not Lee's intention to do so.

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/Home/Detail?contentId=8150793&version=2&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=1.1.1

Reading this defintely makes me feel like charges are coming and the attorney knows it and he knows why. It seems to me that he is basically admitting here that he did something but it was not INTENTIONAL! Why would he make a statement like that if he didn't know something?

I think (and this is just my own opinion and it was formed early on and I still haven't changed it)....that the whole family went into "cover up mode" for Casey. I think they thought it would "work" and when Lee realized it wasn't working, he dissappeared from the scene and tried to distance himself from it. He only reappeared when little Caylee's body was found and lawyered up.

They realize Casey is "going down" and they're all lawyering up because they aren't wanting to "go down" with her. JMO.....

[nc1948]

Why would Lee's criminal defense attorney start a 'rumor' about his own client?

Are the Anthonys the most unluckiest when it comes to criminal defense attorneys?

Don't think the problem is the lawyers, think it is the clients.

[MerriMent]

Then they won't have to testify.

If they are subpoened by the state as witnesses, they have to testify, even if it is to assert their 5th. For that reason alone, the DA isn't about to press charges against them prior to Casey's trial.

[OCD4Crime]

As the Judge said the truth and Casey are strangers. It seems to run in the family. IMO

Forget about LA listen to the OC on June 16th once again.
http://www.wftv.com/video/17461496/index.html

I have never seen such a crazy case. The truth would be refreshing. JMO

[5boxersmom]

That's the $64,000 question. Although Lee's attorney did seem to intimate that LE ran around arresting people for aiding and abetting even when they didn't do so knowingly. That seems dim to me, since that person would normally be so horrified at being in any way connected to something as vile as the murder of a 2 year old child, that I would think they'd be more than willing to help LE in any way and testify. Although, of course, that isn't Lee's reaction at all.

Like nellie said maybe he knows an arrest is coming or he is talking about something that Lee told him.

[True2Blues]

Reading this defintely makes me feel like charges are coming and the attorney knows it and he knows why. He is basically admitting here that he did something but it was not INTENTIONAL! Why would he make a statement like that if he didn't know something?

I think (and this is just my own opinion and it was formed early on and I still haven't changed it)....that the whole family went into "cover up mode" for Casey. I think they thought it would "work" and when Lee realized it wasn't working, he dissappeared from the scene and tried to distance himself from it. He only reappeared when little Caylee's body was found and lawyered up.

They realize Casey is "going down" and they're all lawyering up because they aren't wanting to "go down" with her. JMO.....


I agree with you. A sort of consciousness of guilt (for covering up and purposely misleading LE) mixed with minimizing their own roles to cover their own....bums.

[aubrey04]

Not by us. The lawyer. Why is the lawyer saying it? It's not a rumor he said it. The lawyer.

Personally I never thought Lee would get charged until his lawyer brought it up. :shrug: ... That's why it caught me off-guard that he would even make that comment.. I am still a little confused by it. Of course, there have been media reports that George and/or Cindy might get charged.. but I hadn't really thought about Lee.

You're correct - that "rumor" originated with Lee's own lawyer. :blink:

[happygert]

They can only do that to avoid self incrimination. They MUST testify truthfully and fully against anyone else. It is a contemptible offense and IF there is any immunity deal, it's gone, baby, gone.

I say they don't get immunity! They never did anything to help this investigation why in the SAM H*LL should they get a deal..Just what deal did Caylee get? She wasn't even given a chance....casey was judge, jury an executioner. Caylee's been found no thanks to any of the A's so what do they have to offer now? they should have been all along helping this investigation instead of hindering it...They should have been telling truth all along.... NOPE NO DEALS.

[MrsHudson]

snipped for brevity:

It astounds me, ABSOLUTELY ASTOUNDS ME, that women on this board wouldn't support a strong woman like Cindy who, against all odds, tried to keep this all together. I've read posts of women on this board who have said they would have done anything and everything to have prevented what happened; yet when met with evidence that Cindy did, they label her a *****. As a woman, I'm disgusted. Truly and absolutely disgusted.


I think you would be hard pressed to find any post of mine where I was critical of anything she did before Caylee went missing. But she did lie to the police....alot. And she lied to the media. And she did it brazenly. That's not strong that's weak. And its' wrong. And she made a mess of things because she did not listen to good advice. And it did not save Casey or Caylee. And she blamed everyone for everything except Casey. I keep saying this...she blamed other people's decent kids for what sleezy Casey did. Just did not want to admit Casey could do anything wrong.

[True2Blues]

I have never seen such a crazy case. The truth would be refreshing. JMO

At this point, hearing the truth would probably cause people all over the country to pass out in front of their TV's from shock.

[OCD4Crime]

Don't think the problem is the lawyers, think it is the clients.

Quote of the day or night IMO

[MrsHudson]

Is Cindy's personality like Jackie Peterson's? I don't remember. Did Jackie ever verbally or physically get into a brawl with the many who stood outside shouting taunts at Scott? I remember a couple of radio DJ's who used a bullhorn to call him a killer.

So Cindy is worse. Okay. :wink:

[playnice]

I have never seen such a crazy case. The truth would be refreshing. JMO

Im not sure I even want to know the truth any more. If it comes out everyone knew the night Cindy made that 911 call I dont think I can stomach knowing they all let Caylee lay out there and rot and animals chewing on her bones. That would be horrible.

[True2Blues]

I say they don't get immunity! They never did anything to help this investigation why in the SAM H*LL should they get a deal..Just what deal did Caylee get? She wasn't even given a chance....casey was judge, jury an executioner. Caylee's been found no thanks to any of the A's so what do they have to offer now? they should have been all along helping this investigation instead of hindering it...They should have been telling truth all along.... NOPE NO DEALS.

As much as they've been caught lying, I wonder if trying to make a deal with them is even worth it for the Prosecution. At this point a lot of people, myself among them, think that they have no credibility at all. I would find it hard to believe anything they said,

[norwood]

IMO nobody in the family will be charged until after the trial. They will be needed as witnesses and IF they lie (did I type that) they could be charged then. MOO


I have been reading the board all day long and not posted.

Have to agree that there are not going to be charged brought against anyone but Casey......at least not until the trial is over.

Why would prosecutors charge any of the Anthony family members with anything until then At that time. if they are dumb enough to get on the stand in a murder trial and lie they can be charged not only with aiding and abetting, obstruction of justice, obstruction of LE investigation, but also perjury.

Truth be told we rarely charged any of those things in a case simply because the cost are too much to launch yet another long drawn out trial and it is really, really hard to prove. The important trial is that of the person or persons that have done the murder. It is very expensive to do a trial like this.

I do agree that a lot of time and money was wasted because of the lies and misleading statements. It happens in every case.

It may dismay, anger, frustrate, and gall all of us that we "think" they should be charged but in the practical world of the prosecutor's office it rarely happens.

I shall go back into lurk mode now.

[MerriMent]

I say they don't get immunity! They never did anything to help this investigation why in the SAM H*LL should they get a deal..Just what deal did Caylee get? She wasn't even given a chance....casey was judge, jury an executioner. Caylee's been found no thanks to any of the A's so what do they have to offer now? they should have been all along helping this investigation instead of hindering it...They should have been telling truth all along.... NOPE NO DEALS.

What the Anthonys still have to offer is the truth as to what really happened behind those closed doors. All three won't get immunity, all they need is one and in exchange, they must tell the truth or the immunity gets pulled.

[happygert]

Like nellie said maybe he knows an arrest is coming or he is talking about something that Lee told him.

Does anyone think that 4 am outing that Cindy and Lee did there was more to it? Maybe a dry run..Why did They have to get a court order both times for Lee fingerprints and DNA
media didn't even see them.....Lee's car is black.....dark outside .path where body was found....MO something not right..said that all along.. Why would attorney say that about aiding and abetting? umm

[True2Blues]

Im not sure I even want to know the truth any more. If it comes out everyone knew the night Cindy made that 911 call I dont think I can stomach knowing they all let Caylee lay out there and rot and animals chewing on her bones. That would be horrible.

I would be really shocked to learn that C and G knew where the body was. I think Casey kept that one to herself. I have a feeling if they knew, or especially if Lee knew, they might have tried to move it.

I believe they knew that Caylee was dead and that they knew Casey was responsible, but for the sake of the 'family' did everything they could to keep LE from finding Caylee.

[impartial]

Okay, impartial-----I just listened to the whole NG thing again and there was no night mentioned in reference to June 9th, the last time Casey said she saw Caylee. There was no reference of what time of day at all except in one area, towards the end, where LE says in a question to her about June 9th, they say, "morning of" and she confirmed that. The 9th was uttered, June 9th was uttered, the day of June 9th was uttered but nothing about the night of June 9th.



Well, dang, I'm going to have to listen again then too .... both my DH and I looked at each other, and I said that's the first time I have heard her reference the night.

Is it possible I've had too much pie, and the sugar got to my ears?

:wink:

[joolz]

At this point, hearing the truth would probably cause people all over the country to pass out in front of their TV's from shock.


:laugh:And if that is what would happen to the TV viewers, I can't even imagine what would happen to the message board posters!

[OCD4Crime]

At this point, hearing the truth would probably cause people all over the country to pass out in front of their TV's from shock.

As Casey says she's the biggest resource. I think Jose has led her astray. A competent lawyer would have made a deal. Jose is in it for the money but he's too dumb to figure out that he is the fool. Here's his quote " If there is anything to connect her to this, that all remains to be seen. No one has come out with any of the connections that connects Casey Anthony to this crime."

What does that mean? I have no further questions. JMO :biggrin:

[playnice]

What the Anthonys still have to offer is the truth as to what really happened behind those closed doors. All three won't get immunity, all they need is one and in exchange, they must tell the truth or the immunity gets pulled.

So the question is " Which one is going to roll on the others first"?
what a mess this family has created.

[nc1948]

At this point, hearing the truth would probably cause people all over the country to pass out in front of their TV's from shock.

How will we know the truth if we hear it.

[Neffy]

So the question is " Which one is going to roll on the others first"?
what a mess this family has created.

It depends on who Baez and Co throws under the bus first.

[MerriMent]

So the question is " Which one is going to roll on the others first"?
what a mess this family has created.

I think it will be Lee. He grew up in that household and knows its secrets.

[Lavenia]

As much as they've been caught lying, I wonder if trying to make a deal with them is even worth it for the Prosecution. At this point a lot of people, myself among them, think that they have no credibility at all. I would find it hard to believe anything they said,


This is my take on it, too. I think LE and the pros will try and make the case without them and I think they can. They are vulnerable to either side in testimony. It will be a wash. Whether they then go after the A's, I will be interested in seeing.

[playnice]

How will we know the truth if we hear it.

No kidding.

[Oregongal]

He came onto the scene in full "cover up mode', (messing with the laptop)......switched into "I am investigating as a junior PI" mode, claiming he has connections, his sources, being the 'go-between' between the parents and LE (per Cindy in her LE interview) makes a few wierd statements to the press, in between maniacal laughter, and then up and withholds dna and fingerprints until court ordered.

I agree.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

I love the way you lay things out in plain english Pru. :wink:
With this new developement of an attorney speaking for Lee, all I can think is why does he feel he needs an attorney?
I have felt creepy about him from day one. Not saying that he had anything to do with Caylee's death, but now I'm wondering if there was an involvement on his part to cover up for his sister.
I have always felt he messed with that laptop and maybe that's the extent of his cover up, but I can't also help thinking of his statement to LE and how he said he tried to talk to Caylee when Cindy was not around. How the conversation between Casey and he changed when she reappeared.
I feel as I have felt, that things were said between them...Casey and Lee....when Cindy was not within hearing and before LE arrived.
It just seems hinky to me for him to retain this attorney and for this attorney to jump right out there to make statements for Lee.
Can this case get anymore convoluted or stink anymore????

[Lavenia]

:laugh:And if that is what would happen to the TV viewers, I can't even imagine what would happen to the message board posters!

I'm hooked up to an IV as we speak! (J/K)

[MrsHudson]

Can the videotapes they have be used at trial?

I find it interesting that Lee's attorney said that you're either a "witness or a suspect". How about just being the "victim of a tragedy"? I think his comment says a lot. Most family members are not thought of as "either a witness or a suspect", but grieving victims.

CAYLEE IS THE VICTIM. At trial Caylee is the victim, not Cindy or George or Lee. So they are either a witness or a suspect.

[True2Blues]

As Casey says she's the biggest resource. I think Jose has led her astray. A competent lawyer would have made a deal. Jose is in it for the money but he's too dumb to figure out that he is the fool. Here's his quote " If there is anything to connect her to this, that all remains to be seen. No one has come out with any of the connections that connects Casey Anthony to this crime."

What does that mean? I have no further questions. JMO :biggrin:

To me it means he's a defense attorney! LOL I don't think he's too bright either, but I don't think Casey would have settled for a deal, and unless she's sure she's going to lose, I doubt she will. She really believes that she can get away with anything, I think.

[5boxersmom]

Does anyone think that 4 am outing that Cindy and Lee did there was more to it? Maybe a dry run..Why did They have to get a court order both times for Lee fingerprints and DNA
media didn't even see them.....Lee's car is black.....dark outside .path where body was found....MO something not right..said that all along.. Why would attorney say that about aiding and abetting? umm

That outing is strange. Would the media have even followed them at that time? The case was still so new.

Why did they have to get that court order both times? Makes one go hmmmm doesn't it?

[Lavenia]

To me it means he's a defense attorney! LOL I don't think he's too bright either, but I don't think Casey would have settled for a deal, and unless she's sure she's going to lose, I doubt she will. She really believes that she can get away with anything, I think.

And take her whole fam damily down with her. And people don't believe she's evil?

[eastside joe]

I don't believe Lee had any involvement with the disposal of the body. IMO that was all Casey, and based on where Caylee was found, I believe Casey wanted her to be found so that Cindy would know Caylee was dead. That spiteful *****!

I believe LE became suspicious of Lee the moment he convinced the family to refuse polygraphs. I believe what LE is investigating Lee for is the laptop fiasco, although any accusations regarding this may be difficult to prove based upon the information I have read.

[joolz]

I'm hooked up to an IV as we speak! (J/K)


But what exactly is in that IV? :laugh: j/k

[MerriMent]

How will we know the truth if we hear it.

That's up to the jury to hash out in deliberations.

[nc1948]

To me it means he's a defense attorney! LOL I don't think he's too bright either, but I don't think Casey would have settled for a deal, and unless she's sure she's going to lose, I doubt she will. She really believes that she can get away with anything, I think.

I agree. She has always gotten away with things. No job, but always has money. Steals from Amy, Grandparents, Lee and who knows who else. Her family has always covered for her. I believe I remember reading that Cindy had taken money out of savings to pay back some of her stolen gains. She has never been held responsible. So why should she not think that once again she would get away with it?

[MrsHudson]

So the question is " Which one is going to roll on the others first"?
what a mess this family has created.

A huge mess! Lie detector tests. They refused to take them! Why? If they are "victims" they should have no qualms at all about taking a LDT.

[Lavenia]

But what exactly is in that IV? :laugh: j/k

I refuse to incriminate myself! :tonguewag:

[happygert]

As much as they've been caught lying, I wonder if trying to make a deal with them is even worth it for the Prosecution. At this point a lot of people, myself among them, think that they have no credibility at all. I would find it hard to believe anything they said,

As Judge Judy says I wouldn't believe them if their tongues came notarized

[joolz]

I don't believe Lee had anything to do with the disposal of the body. IMO that was all Casey, and based on where Caylee was found, I believe Casey wanted her to be found so that Cindy would know Caylee was dead. That spiteful *****!

I believe LE became suspicious of Lee the moment he convinced the family to refuse polygraphs. I believe what LE is investigating Lee for is the laptop fiasco, although any accusations regarding this may be difficult to prove based upon the information I have read.


I agree - I don't think that Lee had anything to do with the disposal of Caylee's body either. It's a complete guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lee went along with whatever lie Casey told him at first (kidnappers, whatever), then gradually began to realize his baby sister was lying about everything. He has certainly been absent from the scene for awhile.

Of course, I'm still wondering what Lee's "this isn't like the last time, is it?" jailhouse question to Casey was about.

[Lavenia]

How will we know the truth if we hear it.

It wont be from anything that comes out of anybody's mouth, IMO. It will HAVE to be corroborated with forensics or an independent, credible witness. Anything else is a waste. HUGE waste!

[True2Blues]

CAYLEE IS THE VICTIM. At trial Caylee is the victim, not Cindy or George or Lee. So they are either a witness or a suspect.

Yes, Caylee is the victim of the murder, but often in cases where the family isn't covering up or trying to derail the investigation and they truly know nothing about the crime, then they are victims in a way too.

They have to suffer through the trials, the press etc, and deal with the realization that their child, wife, husband, etc. is a murderer. It can be terrible for them to be dragged through all of that when the only reason they're there is because they are related to the criminal. They feel torn, because they love the person, but revolted by what they've done. Some go into denial, some feel shame.

I don't include the Anthonys in that group, because they jumped right in at the very beginning and started running interference, trying to sideline LE. CA actually told people not to help TES, she's called names, belittled LE and had her face in every camera she sees. They've caused a lot of trouble themselves, IMO.

[playnice]

I agree - I don't think that Lee had anything to do with the disposal of Caylee's body either. It's a complete guess, but I wouldn't be surprised if Lee went along with whatever lie Casey told him at first (kidnappers, whatever), then gradually began to realize his baby sister was lying about everything. He has certainly been absent from the scene for awhile.

Of course, I'm still wondering what Lee's "this isn't like the last time, is it?" jailhouse question to Casey was about.

And Casey telling Cindy, "I havent said anything."

Lots of secrets in that family.

[True2Blues]

As Judge Judy says I wouldn't believe them if their tongues came notarized

:lol: Perfect!

[Mamie]

Well, dang, I'm going to have to listen again then too .... both my DH and I looked at each other, and I said that's the first time I have heard her reference the night.

Is it possible I've had too much pie, and the sugar got to my ears?

:wink:

LOL, dear, that is a possibility. There was an area where it might have sounded like night, but after replaying it a couple of times and reading at the same time, there should have been two of those like sounds----one for night and one for ninth because June followed soon afterward. I myself am having a piece of mincemeat pie right now and talk about your sugar!

[MerriMent]

A huge mess! Lie detector tests. They refused to take them! Why? If they are "victims" they should have no qualms at all about taking a LDT.

ITA.

I would strongly disagree with you if this was any other crime.

[Neffy]

What I want to see, more than anything, is Casey taking the stand and having the prosecutors tear her a new one each time she lies. I hope the prosecutors are as hard as nails because a detective who interviewed Casey said he had never seen anything like her in all his years of detective work. He said she was resolute, like ice and impossible to break. Please take the stand, Casey, so we can watch you take an oath to tell the truth and then tell it fifteen different ways.

I don't think it would faze her. They were pretty hard on her (IMO anyway) being interrogated from Universal to the LE HQ. She just changed gears. It'll be almost frightening to see as in creepy.

[happygert]

What the Anthonys still have to offer is the truth as to what really happened behind those closed doors. All three won't get immunity, all they need is one and in exchange, they must tell the truth or the immunity gets pulled.

The truth......roflmao.....If Cindys truth is anything like the truth she's been telling who would ever know what really went on in that house. Does anyone think that Lee or George would say what cindy was telling wasn't the truth... Or does anyone think GA or LEE wouldn't get up on that stand and say whatever cindy wanted them to say......NO WAY......NONE of them are creditable..

[Nellie]

CAYLEE IS THE VICTIM. At trial Caylee is the victim, not Cindy or George or Lee. So they are either a witness or a suspect.

Yes, I agree that Caylee is the victim.
But, when a family loses a member in such a tragic way, I guess I also see them as a "victim" too. Just like other cases...like, Laci's mom....I think she was also a victim of Scott's crime. She suffered the loss of her daughter. The Anthony's suffered the loss of their grandchild and that is why I was ok with calling them a "victim"....unless they have anything to do with it. I see family members of murdered children as "victims" before I see them as "witnesses or suspects".

I find myself asking...
"witness to what???"
"suspect of what???"

[aubrey04]

That's up to the jury to hash out in deliberations.

And God Bless them! :patriot: -- they're going to have daily migraines before it is all over.

[impartial]

And Casey telling Cindy, "I havent said anything."

Lots of secrets in that family.


In response to Cindy saying "we forgive you for anything you have told LE", or words to that effect.

Vedddy interesting.

IMO

[True2Blues]

This is my take on it, too. I think LE and the pros will try and make the case without them and I think they can. They are vulnerable to either side in testimony. It will be a wash. Whether they then go after the A's, I will be interested in seeing.

I agree completely.

[MerriMent]

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I agree. She has always gotten away with things. No job, but always has money. Steals from Amy, Grandparents, Lee and who knows who else. Her family has always covered for her. I believe I remember reading that Cindy had taken money out of savings to pay back some of her stolen gains. She has never been held responsible. So why should she not think that once again she would get away with it?

If Lee has protected her from consequences in the past, she may believe he's going to be able to make it all right this time, too. I wonder how many past arguments between Cindy and Casey in which he served as referee.

[Lavenia]

I don't think it would faze her. They were pretty hard on her (IMO anyway) being interrogated from Universal to the LE HQ. She just changed gears. It'll be almost frightening to see as in creepy.

Wouldn't it be interesting, though?! I love/loathe to hear her interviews now that we know and you can see many of her techniques in action. It's eerie to see.

[True2Blues]

[/COLOR]

I agree. She has always gotten away with things. No job, but always has money. Steals from Amy, Grandparents, Lee and who knows who else. Her family has always covered for her. I believe I remember reading that Cindy had taken money out of savings to pay back some of her stolen gains. She has never been held responsible. So why should she not think that once again she would get away with it?

Exactly. Other people might have been content just to lie and use people to their advantage, but there is a twist in Casey.

[happygert]

Just like Lee's attorney saying Lee was doing his own investigation....Ok now what do we have a family of investigators...Is that the private eye that was telling cindy everything casey was saying is true.....they are watching the kidnappers they know where they are... Is there PI LEE? GMAB they are all investigating on their own. what did he do take over in casey's place...OK.....now hes afriad he will be charged?

[TealMermaid]

That statement when the lawyer called Caylee Lees daughter reminded me when George said "That body in the trunk was not my granddaughter."

Do you think Caylee was an incest baby with the dad or brother? This family is so bizarre, and Caylee's dad has never been named.

There was a paternity test that ruled out ex-fiance, Jesse,as Caylee's dad. Would it have showed up if the dad was a blood relative of Casey?

[playnice]

Do you think Caylee was an incest baby with the dad or brother? This family is so bizarre, and Caylee's dad has never been named.

There was a paternity test that ruled out ex-fiance, Jesse,as Caylee's dad. Would it have showed up if the dad was a blood relative of Casey?

They have Lees DNA and if he is called to testify he will be asked "What is your relationship to Caylee Anthony"? He will have to answer uncle or father because they do have his DNA.

[MrsHudson]

I have been reading the board all day long and not posted.


It may dismay, anger, frustrate, and gall all of us that we "think" they should be charged but in the practical world of the prosecutor's office it rarely happens.

I shall go back into lurk mode now.


Sure would save a lot of hassle if people in the Anthonys position would just go in for questioning and say, "Look, you know and I know that I am not going to tell the whole truth. And you know and I know that you are are not going to do anything about it. So just sit there and take it while I blow smoke up your ***.

Charged or not, the A's lied up the wazoo and I do believe they will try to make hay out of Caylee's tragic death. That should not be tolerated by the public even if the courts have to let it ride.

As a member of the public I am not going to tolerate it. :no:

[Mamie]

As Judge Judy says I wouldn't believe them if their tongues came notarized

OMG-----that's one I haven't heard JJ use!! I love it! Thanks for puttin' a smile on my face!

[Lavenia]

I actually find it embarrassing. Maybe the prosecutors and press should try another tactic and laugh at her when she opens her mouth.

:lol: OMG, too funny! Can you imagine her expression?! "Huh?'

What is this thing you humans call truth?~Casey Anthony

[MerriMent]

The truth......roflmao.....If Cindys truth is anything like the truth she's been telling who would ever know what really went on in that house. Does anyone think that Lee or George would say what cindy was telling wasn't the truth... Or does anyone think GA or LEE wouldn't get up on that stand and say whatever cindy wanted them to say......NO WAY......NONE of them are creditable..

If Lee is granted immunity, he has to tell the truth. Would he rather reveal the truth or face prosecution himself? I'm pretty sure LE knows the truth already.

[happygert]

A huge mess! Lie detector tests. They refused to take them! Why? If they are "victims" they should have no qualms at all about taking a LDT.

Exactly!! thats it in a nutshell......Also if DA's offered immunity which I personally think they should not...But if they did it should be after they take LDT...no LDT no immunity! IMO they didnt take a LDT because they knew they couldn't pass one.

[True2Blues]

Wouldn't it be interesting, though?! I love/loathe to hear her interviews now that we know and you can see many of her techniques in action. It's eerie to see.

That cold, emotionless manner would certainly tell the jury more than any of her words would. I can see her being one who will really want to get up and testify, because she thinks she can con everyone. It will be interesting to see if any of her attorneys can make her see it would be a HUGE mistake.

I mean, look at Cindy. Her family and her attorneys have all told her to stay away from the press and shut up. She just refuses to do it. She seems to think she has the power to order everyone listening to believe her. She's aggressive, rude, dismissive to anyone who disagrees with her. She's different from Casey only in that she can show one emotion, anger. That she aims at anyone who questions her. She lies, even though there's audio tape that she said the car smelled like a dead body. I've heard her deny she said that as recently as two weeks ago.

It's like a disease in this family.

[nc1948]

I don't think it would faze her. They were pretty hard on her (IMO anyway) being interrogated from Universal to the LE HQ. She just changed gears. It'll be almost frightening to see as in creepy.

That interview is on the NG rerun right now. I am listening to her. It is unreal. Everytime they catch her in a lie she just changes her story and carries on. Melich just told her that everything she has told him is a lie and she just keeps going.

[happygert]

If Lee is granted immunity, he has to tell the truth. Would he rather reveal the truth or face prosecution himself? I'm pretty sure LE knows the truth already.

LDT before the immunity deal..period. Im sure he does..no doubt.Im sure all of them knows the truth.

[MerriMent]

In response to Cindy saying "we forgive you for anything you have told LE", or words to that effect.

Vedddy interesting.

IMO

I agree. And note LE has NOT revealed anything Casey's said that might fall into the category of requiring forgiveness from her parents.

[TealMermaid]

They have Lees DNA and if he is called to testify he will be asked "What is your relationship to Caylee Anthony"? He will have to answer uncle or father because they do have his DNA.

Can you imagine if the answer was both! UGH!:crying:

[MrsHudson]

They have Lees DNA and if he is called to testify he will be asked "What is your relationship to Caylee Anthony"? He will have to answer uncle or father because they do have his DNA.

Oh that reminds me. I found out something about DNA and incest. When they took little Caylee's DNA for the paternity test, they got her profile right? Well that profile alone would indicate that Caylee was a product of incest. If it did then that would have to be reported to the authorities because of the potential for rape or abuse of the mother. Since that never happened we can assume Caylee's daddy was from outside the family. Got it from another website from a science type person.

[happygert]

OMG-----that's one I haven't heard JJ use!! I love it! Thanks for puttin' a smile on my face!

Your welcome...:smile:

[playnice]

Oh that reminds me. I found out something about DNA and incest. When they took little Caylee's DNA for the paternity test, they got her profile right? Well that profile alone would indicate that Caylee was a product of incest. If it did then that would have to be reported to the authorities because of the potential for rape or abuse of the mother. Since that never happened we can assume Caylee's daddy was from outside the family. Got it from another website from a science type person.

Even though Casey is an adult and was also consent age when Caylee was conceived?

[MerriMent]

That cold, emotionless manner would certainly tell the jury more than any of her words would. I can see her being one who will really want to get up and testify, because she thinks she can con everyone. It will be interesting to see if any of her attorneys can make her see it would be a HUGE mistake.

I mean, look at Cindy. Her family and her attorneys have all told her to stay away from the press and shut up. She just refuses to do it. She seems to think she has the power to order everyone listening to believe her. She's aggressive, rude, dismissive to anyone who disagrees with her. She's different from Casey only in that she can show one emotion, anger. That she aims at anyone who questions her. She lies, even though there's audio tape that she said the car smelled like a dead body. I've heard her deny she said that as recently as two weeks ago.

It's like a disease in this family.

Has Cindy appeared before the press since Caylee's remains were found? I thought everything now is filtered through her lawyer.

[happygert]

Oh that reminds me. I found out something about DNA and incest. When they took little Caylee's DNA for the paternity test, they got her profile right? Well that profile alone would indicate that Caylee was a product of incest. If it did then that would have to be reported to the authorities because of the potential for rape or abuse of the mother. Since that never happened we can assume Caylee's daddy was from outside the family. Got it from another website from a science type person.

Thanks for info Mrs. Hudson.

[happygert]

Has Cindy appeared before the press since Caylee's remains were found? I thought everything now is filtered through her lawyer.

Yes when she was going into house .But, not one word to media...

[True2Blues]

Can you imagine if the answer was both! UGH!:crying:
I don't like or trust any of the Anthony family, but even I don't believe that Lee is the father. LP started that because of the DNA found in the hair shaft. I think Lenny talks out of his ...hat often. If he'd put a little effort into checking the facts before he goes off on one of his flights of fancy, he would have learned that without the root, only the mother's DNA can be found.

I know Casey said she was molested as a child, but I think she's going for the Abuse Excuse and Cindy will be the next to get accused of something. Beating her senseless maybe. If she'd been disciplined once in her life, she might have learned that there are consequences to her actions.

Besides, having been the victim of abuse is no excuse for making other people victims.

[MrsHudson]

Even though Casey is an adult and was also consent age when Caylee was conceived?

Yeah prolly. Course I don't know for sure. Good question though.

[Neffy]

Well, she thinks she is smokin' the truth and we're buying into it. Ha! If it could register in her pea brain that the concern expressed here and everywhere is for Caylee and not focused on her, she might start to worry for the second time. The first time she worried was when she was told Caylee's remains had been found. She needed a tranquilizer. And I'll venture a guess that her nerves had nothing to do with the loss of her daughter, but rather with the loss of potential bargaining with the police.

Uh-oh, Casey. Hey, sleep well.

I thought perhaps she was on her high horse because of her "dream team" Baez somehow secured but on second thought I'd be more afraid if I were her. They will find out the truth. Although perhaps she feels since they are secured for her, it's a given that they will try to spring her and it's their job to come up with reasonable doubt.

Even the most savvy defense expert can only hide or muddy the waters so much.

They will never over come the obstacle of producing Zanny!

[True2Blues]

Has Cindy appeared before the press since Caylee's remains were found? I thought everything now is filtered through her lawyer.

Not since the last LKL interview as far as I know, but I did see an article that said the A's were going to speak to the press after Christmas. That may not happen of course, they're probably taking it day by day.

[Neffy]

Not since the last LKL interview as far as I know, but I did see an article that said the A's were going to speak to the press after Christmas. That may not happen of course, they're probably taking it day by day.

And that last LKL was a doozy! What a note to go out on.

[eastside joe]

I believed all along that Caylee was Lee's daughter. However the only relevance this provides would be as a motivating factor as it relates to Casey. IMO Caylee may have been an everyday reminder of prior occurences. While this may be true, I do not believe this was a factor in Lee's decision to hire legal assistance. IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Oh that reminds me. I found out something about DNA and incest. When they took little Caylee's DNA for the paternity test, they got her profile right? Well that profile alone would indicate that Caylee was a product of incest. If it did then that would have to be reported to the authorities because of the potential for rape or abuse of the mother. Since that never happened we can assume Caylee's daddy was from outside the family. Got it from another website from a science type person.

Is it known that the company JG used for DNA tests has these requirements? TIA

[True2Blues]

And that last LKL was a doozy! What a note to go out on.

Yes. Nothing but softball questions until the phone calls and then Cindy was off. She denied she'd ever said the car smelled like a dead body and was biting everyone's head off. George's eyes shifted around all the time he spoke, like he was cornered and looking for a quick escape.

[MrsHudson]

Thank goodness you've at least come to your senses as far as dispelling one rumor you've perpetuated. Keep going, please, in the name of honesty and decency.

I never perpetuated that incest rumor. I think it was unfounded.

I think it came about because people could not imagine WHY her parents were covering for her. So they thought well maybe Casey is holding something over their heads. Some terrible secret. Heck my hubby does not blog about this case but all on his own he came up with the incest theory because he was trying to find a motive for the parents lying. I kid you not.

Later everyone:seeya:Gotta turn in.

[catdoc]

Quick question,,,and I know I can look it up myself but was Lee ever seen ( photographed ) in a "Find Caylee" t-shirt? I'm always picturing him in a white polo. I've always given him benefit of the doubt and respected that he withdrew as soon as he determined that Casey was lying. This lawyer has me re-thinking.

[happygert]

I thought perhaps she was on her high horse because of her "dream team" Baez somehow secured but on second thought I'd be more afraid if I were her. They will find out the truth. Although perhaps she feels since they are secured for her, it's a given that they will try to spring her and it's their job to come up with reasonable doubt.

Even the most savvy defense expert can only hide or muddy the waters so much.

They will never over come the obstacle of producing Zanny!

Her "Dream Team" To Me is a "NightMare" Henry Lee MP case too much blood to be a murder. In PS case hiding evidence. LKB in PS case oh my Did you hear the closing? Baez now thats something all in itself. Kobilinski get tapes and transcrpits from NG show.. Kathy Reich ask her who's paying them... Ok now the client thats a night TERROR..... there goes the dream team.....

[MerriMent]

I don't like or trust any of the Anthony family, but even I don't believe that Lee is the father. LP started that because of the DNA found in the hair shaft. I think Lenny talks out of his ...hat often. If he'd put a little effort into checking the facts before he goes off on one of his flights of fancy, he would have learned that without the root, only the mother's DNA can be found.

I know Casey said she was molested as a child, but I think she's going for the Abuse Excuse and Cindy will be the next to get accused of something. Beating her senseless maybe. If she'd been disciplined once in her life, she might have learned that there are consequences to her actions.

Besides, having been the victim of abuse is no excuse for making other people victims.

Who did Casey tell about being molested as a child? I totally missed that one.

[Mamie]

I have never seen such a crazy case. The truth would be refreshing. JMO


I'm telling ya, this is like it's right out of "Alice In Wonderland"! (The favorite in my View Master classics)

[nothingnew]

Lee has hardly been mentioned lately so why does his lawyer just pop out and make these statements? Makes no sense.

IMO-Once Caylee was found, autopsy done, next questions will be concerning funeral and THEN-the trust fund comes into the light and EVERYBODY will have questions. JMO but THAT is why the lawyer turned into gabby hayes all of a sudden, trying to soften the blow and explain some things away. And that bit about-as far as I know the donations will be returned. Does he really believe that or does he really know so little about this case? Sorry to sound mean but I cannot picture ANY Anthony giving back money. How I remember it from the beginning they wanted OUR money AND mother anthony wanted US to get off our butts and find HER grandbaby with OUR dollars. Nope, don't see it happening.

[Neffy]

Her "Dream Team" To Me is a "NightMare" Henry Lee MP case too much blood to be a murder. In PS case hiding evidence. LKB in PS case oh my Did you hear the closing? Baez now thats something all in itself. Kobilinski get tapes and transcrpits from NG show.. Kathy Reich ask her who's paying them... Ok now the client thats a night TERROR..... there goes the dream team.....

LOL I quite agree but those are big names to a 22yr old. Baez probably filled her head with all sorts of nonsense about them.

ITA with the "nightmare" team. They may be able to fudge the forensics, muddy the waters but unless they produce "Zanny" its all for naught.

[SC7501]

Casey Anthony's Brother Could Also Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8151426&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

[eastside joe]

Who did Casey tell about being molested as a child? I totally missed that one.

Tony Lazarro and Jesse Grund, although I don't believe either man ever used the word molested, rather it was described as inappropriate sexual advances. IIRC IMO

[MerriMent]

Tony Lazarro and Jesse Grund, although I don't believe either man ever used the word molested, rather it was described as inappropriate sexual advances. IIRC IMO

Thanks, Joe!

[Cury-us Coyote]

Tony Lazarro and Jesse Grund, although I don't believe either man ever used the word molested, rather it was described as inappropriate sexual advances. IIRC IMO

IIRC, it was touching and unspecified abuse.
jmo

[happygert]

LOL I quite agree but those are big names to a 22yr old. Baez probably filled her head with all sorts of nonsense about them.

ITA with the "nightmare" team. They may be able to fudge the forensics, muddy the waters but unless they produce "Zanny" its all for naught.

You know who I think had the dream Team? IMO it was the ones looking for Caylee then after she was found it was the OCSO, FBI, LE, CSI, DR.G and everyone else involved looking for her remains and all evidence.. Maybe Casey's nightmare will be Caylees dream team .

[Lavenia]

IIRC, it was touching and unspecified abuse.
jmo

In middle school wasn't it, and she said Lee wanted to have sex with her?

[Mamie]

Has Cindy appeared before the press since Caylee's remains were found? I thought everything now is filtered through her lawyer.


I don't believe she or George either one have appeared since Caylee's remains were identified but I can't say for certain since the remains were found.

[Lavenia]

I cannot understand why anyone would think that Caylee was the product of Casey and Lee. No way. Just too far fetched for my brain. No way.

I may live to eat these words....but no way.

I don't either. Not for a minute.

[catdoc]

Her "Dream Team" To Me is a "NightMare" Henry Lee MP case too much blood to be a murder. In PS case hiding evidence. LKB in PS case oh my Did you hear the closing? Baez now thats something all in itself. Kobilinski get tapes and transcrpits from NG show.. Kathy Reich ask her who's paying them... Ok now the client thats a night TERROR..... there goes the dream team.....

Huh???Any residents care to interpret this for the guests?

[eastside joe]

I cannot understand why anyone would think that Caylee was the product of Casey and Lee. No way. Just too far fetched for my brain. No way.

I may live to eat these words....but no way.

Yes you may. I believe if Lee was Caylee's father, prosecution knows and will reveal this at trial as a potential motivating factor.

[Cury-us Coyote]

I don't believe she or George either one have appeared since Caylee's remains were identified but I can't say for certain since the remains were found.


FWIW, Fox 35 reported GA & CinA were at the Orlando Union Rescue Mission on Christmas Eve and found comfort watching the children open their gifts from afar and mingled with the families after the gift opening.
jmo

[Lavenia]

Huh???Any residents care to interpret this for the quests?

Micheal Peterson, Phil Spector and Linda Kenny-Baden.

[sunbunny]

That interview is on the NG rerun right now. I am listening to her. It is unreal. Everytime they catch her in a lie she just changes her story and carries on. Melich just told her that everything she has told him is a lie and she just keeps going.

i just finished watching it, too. i hadn't ever heard the actual tapes before, just snippets here and there. WHY in the h3ll is she NOT scream crying during these interviews and begging the police to find her baby??? :cursing: she is even more callous than i actually even realized after hearing this cr@p. she needs to get the truth waterboarded out of her. hammer

[coffee1950j]

I cannot understand why anyone would think that Caylee was the product of Casey and Lee. No way. Just too far fetched for my brain. No way.

I may live to eat these words....but no way.

I don't believe it either. IMO, when they did the DNA test when Caylee was born to determine if Jesse was the father, their hinky meters would have gone off. (Lee IS George and Cindy's biological son, isn't he? Or am I wrong?)

[5boxersmom]

FWIW, Fox 35 reported GA & CinA were at the Orlando Union Rescue Mission on Christmas Eve and found comfort watching the children open their gifts from afar and mingled with the families after the gift opening.
jmo

I hope that is true and they found some peace. Maybe that is what they should do instead of finding missing children. Help homeless children.

imo

[nothingnew]

So the question is " Which one is going to roll on the others first"?
what a mess this family has created.

If I had to make a guess I would say george and his visions of the witness protection program lifestyle. Lee just creeps me out to no end-I do not think he'll come out with any truth because IMO HE doesn't benefit from people knowing the "truth". he always looked to be "running scared" to me for some reason. Hope that wasn't too vague.

[happygert]

Huh???Any residents care to interpret this for the quests?

HL got caught in Phil Spector's trial hiding evidence. HL in Micheal Petersons case where he beat his wife Kathleen to death HL said there was too much blood to be a murder therefore she had to fall down the stairs. Dr Koblinski keeps talking out of both sides of hie mouth. Kathy Reich writes books she also contridicted HL saying they were getting paid for Casey's case but signed a contract saying they could not tell who was paying them. Baez well figure that one out he's never had a murder case usually he makes deals. LKB Phil Spector case her closing was something you had to hear to believe.....There client..Casey she's a Nightterror

[Lavenia]

Thanks. What the heck? I think folks are reaching too far. IMO....way closer to home. Thinking CASEY. Stops right there for me.

I think her family didn't want to see it. Much like Jackie and Lee Peterson. Is what it is. She killed her child. She did. Done.

Simple to me, too.

[catdoc]

Happygert--Thanks!

[Shades]

So, my biggest question is....
where to from here??

What is going to happen next??

Apparently the Orlando cops & the FBI have more
than enough they say, but nobody really
know WHAT THEY DO HAVE....

Anyone care to throw their ideas into the ring??

Thank U everyone for all your answers.....

[coffee1950j]

If I had to make a guess I would say george and his visions of the witness protection program lifestyle. Lee just creeps me out to no end-I do not think he'll come out with any truth because IMO HE doesn't benefit from people knowing the "truth". he always looked to be "running scared" to me for some reason. Hope that wasn't too vague.

I wouldn't say George is going to "roll over" the others. What I think is that the ONE time George was honest was when he spoke, under oath, to the Grand Jury. We don't know EXACTLY what was said, but it WAS said under oath, and convinced them to arrest Casey immediately after his deposition.

Anything else he has said, be it on LKL or any other time, was to appease Cindy, probably to stop her from totally breaking down, IMO.

[Mamie]

i just finished watching it, too. i hadn't ever heard the actual tapes before, just snippets here and there. WHY in the h3ll is she NOT scream crying during these interviews and begging the police to find her baby??? :cursing: she is even more callous than i actually even realized after hearing this cr@p. she needs to get the truth waterboarded out of her. hammer


But she's reaching. She keeps trying to reach. (That cracks me up that she said that. The visual I get is like she's reaching to pull herself up out of this hole to get away from the people who keep pelting her with questions that she doesn't want to answer.) JMO

[Lavenia]

HL got caught in Phil Spector's trial hiding evidence. HL in Micheal Petersons case where he beat his wife Kathleen to death HL said there was too much blood to be a murder therefore she had to fall down the stairs. Dr Koblinski keeps talking out of both sides of hie mouth. Kathy Reich writes books she also contridicted HL saying they were getting paid for Casey's case but signed a contract saying they could not tell who was paying them. Baez well figure that one out he's never had a murder case usually he makes deals. LKB Phil Spector case her closing was something you had to hear to believe.....There client..Casey she's a Nightterror

LOL, I guess catdoc was really disappointed in my explanation. I thought she just wanted the abbreviations explained. Oops.

[happygert]

Happygert--Thanks!


your welcome
sorry about that catdoc..Do you undrstand it now? If you have anymore questions just ask i've followed a lot of the trials I guess i just get carried away and think everyone knows what im talking about sorry.

[Mamie]

So, my biggest question is....
where to from here??

What is going to happen next??

Apparently the Orlando cops & the FBI have more
than enough they say, but nobody really
know WHAT THEY DO HAVE....

Anyone care to throw their ideas into the ring??

Thank U everyone for all your answers.....



There are some new links thrown in to read just from today, if you care to. Otherwise, we've been pretty much bouncing our ideas off one another all day and evening.

[sunbunny]

But she's reaching. She keeps trying to reach. (That cracks me up that she said that. The visual I get is like she's reaching to pull herself up out of this hole to get away from the people who keep pelting her with questions that she doesn't want to answer.) JMO

whenever she said that "reaching" crud, the detectives would go off on her! i think i even detected an incredulous chuckle coming from that Wells detective. i just don't understand her. sometimes i wish she would just plead guilty.... but then we wouldn't get the chance to [hopefully] watch the trial, and i am in dire need of a good trial!! i even plan to take some vacation time if it's televised. :lol:

[Mamie]

Goodnight everyone, see you tomorrow!

[Neffy]

your welcome
sorry about that catdoc..Do you undrstand it now? If you have anymore questions just ask i've followed a lot of the trials I guess i just get carried away and think everyone knows what im talking about sorry.

LOL You just let a flurry out without taking a breath. ITA though and followed you.

[happygert]

LOL, I guess catdoc was really disappointed in my explanation. I thought she just wanted the abbreviations explained. Oops.

LOL i get on a roll sometimes I think everyone knows who and what Im talking about......im sorry everyone for rattling on.

[catdoc]

LOL, I guess catdoc was really disappointed in my explanation. I thought she just wanted the abbreviations explained. Oops.

No, No, I got u Lavinia, I had it from your post....just failed to thank you....Sorry!

[Mamie]

whenever she said that "reaching" crud, the detectives would go off on her! i think i even detected an incredulous chuckle coming from that Wells detective. i just don't understand her. sometimes i wish she would just plead guilty.... but then we wouldn't get the chance to [hopefully] watch the trial, and i am in dire need of a good trial!! i even plan to take some vacation time if it's televised. :lol:

Oh, I'm going to be jealous. Of course I do have vacation time because it will be a new year. I was off work during the whole Scott Peterson trial and it was so interesting. The only time in my life I was ever glad I didn't have a job!

[happygert]

LOL You just let a flurry out without taking a breath. ITA though and followed you.

Sorry sometimes i get like that....lol

[coffee1950j]

whenever she said that "reaching" crud, the detectives would go off on her! i think i even detected an incredulous chuckle coming from that Wells detective. i just don't understand her. sometimes i wish she would just plead guilty.... but then we wouldn't get the chance to [hopefully] watch the trial, and i am in dire need of a good trial!! i even plan to take some vacation time if it's televised. :lol:

You'd better have a LOT of vac time saved up if you want to watch the whole thing. Maybe you'd better take a sabbatical?

IMO, with the # of witnesses the pros has, not counting how many times the defense objects, this is going to be very, very long.

[catdoc]

LOL i get on a roll sometimes I think everyone knows who and what Im talking about......im sorry everyone for rattling on.

At least YOu know I'm reading you and trying to understand.

[Lavenia]

No, No, I got u Lavinia, I had it from your post....just failed to thank you....Sorry!

Wasn't fishing for a thanks, but you're very welcome. I just didn't mean to leave you high and dry. We've got it now, though! :thumbup:

[coffee1950j]

Oh, I'm going to be jealous. Of course I do have vacation time because it will be a new year. I was off work during the whole Scott Peterson trial and it was so interesting. The only time in my life I was ever glad I didn't have a job!

For me it was the Entwistle trial. And ditto, only time I was ever glad I didn't have a job also. I was especially interested in that one because it was local.

Another case of a parent killing an innocent child (and the child's mother). I STILL wish we had the DP here in Mass, if only for that B******.

[Neffy]

We were talking about them the other day Dream Team = Scapegoats Inc. "we'll find something"
Saboteurs R US

What a motley crew.

[Shades]

There are some new links thrown in to read just from today, if you care to. Otherwise, we've been pretty much bouncing our ideas off one another all day and evening.


Thanks Mamie......
I thought so, but haven't really been a 'regular' here, so
I had to check.
Thanks again.

[aubrey04]

You'd better have a LOT of vac time saved up if you want to watch the whole thing. Maybe you'd better take a sabbatical?

IMO, with the # of witnesses the pros has, not counting how many times the defense objects, this is going to be very, very long.

Yes, Linda Kenney-Baden loves to make constant objections AND start her appeal issues before her client is even convicted. During PS1 (Phil Spector #1) -- they had an appellate lawyer, Dennis Riordan, join the legal team before Spector even had his verdict (or lack thereof) handed down. He filed motion after motion for appeals purposes.

That trial dragged on at snails speed..

jmo

I was really looking forward to this trial, but Linda Kenney-Baden is tough to watch. I wonder if she will read from her binder the entire time like she did in PS1?

[Neffy]

Did LKB ever meet Casey yet? Details I know.

[happygert]

So, my biggest question is....
where to from here??

What is going to happen next??

Apparently the Orlando cops & the FBI have more
than enough they say, but nobody really
know WHAT THEY DO HAVE....

Anyone care to throw their ideas into the ring??

Thank U everyone for all your answers.....



I dont think the trial will start at least until May or June maybe even longer. Because the FBI took a lot of stuff from crime scene then when they are done Baez will have it retested...

They are still going to go with the defense that the nanny killed Caylee and framed casey.

Defense will also say the Prosecution case was tainted because they wouldn't let there people in crime scene and at autopsy. So they must have done something underhanded to get evidence to frame casey too.

Defense will also accuse LE of not following the tips from 8/11 8/12 and 8/13.. And say the meter reader had something to do with it because he kept calling. therefore he knows more...

They'll ask for change of venue.. They'll probably ask for different Judge.

They are going to postpone every chance they get. They will say Pros. didnt turn over all the discovery....They will ask again for Pros to be investigated . for everything....I can see it all now....JMO but they will accuse everyone of something and totally pizz off everyone that has to do with this case...

[MichelleP]

Casey Anthony's Brother Could Also Face Charges

http://www.myfoxorlando.com/myfox/pages/News/Detail?contentId=8151426&version=1&locale=EN-US&layoutCode=TSTY&pageId=3.3.1

I'm wondering how he can face criminal charges? Maybe they found something?

My opinion only

[happygert]

At least YOu know I'm reading you and trying to understand.

Thank you. if ever I post something you dont undestand just ask and ill try to explain.... sorry if i rant sometimes..

[sunbunny]

You'd better have a LOT of vac time saved up if you want to watch the whole thing. Maybe you'd better take a sabbatical?

IMO, with the # of witnesses the pros has, not counting how many times the defense objects, this is going to be very, very long.

well, if it's televised, i can watch it on my computer at work (the attorneys i work for are used to that... they all huddled around my computer for the Scott Peterson verdict. LOL). but at least i can stay home and watch one week of it on the comfort of my couch! but, now i'm thinking.... a sabbatical DOES sound pretty good!!! decisions, decisions.......

i agree.... the trial will go for a long time. i wish the death penalty would be put back on the table so the defense can have a "real" lawyer instead of one who has only been a lawyer for just a few years and not "death qualified." God only knows, i would want a veteran if i was on trial for a horrendous crime such as this.

[happygert]

Yes, Linda Kenney-Baden loves to make constant objections AND start her appeal issues before her client is even convicted. During PS1 (Phil Spector #1) -- they had an appellate lawyer, Dennis Riordan, join the legal team before Spector even had his verdict (or lack thereof) handed down. He filed motion after motion for appeals purposes.

That trial dragged on at snails speed..

jmo

I was really looking forward to this trial, but Linda Kenney-Baden is tough to watch. I wonder if she will read from her binder the entire time like she did in PS1?

I know.. They had two attorneys in that case missing Bruce Cutler and LKB she was sick for awhile.. I heard they are now retrying PS.. Wonder if HL and LKB is back on this case?

[Shades]

I dont think the trial will start at least until May or June maybe even longer. Because the FBI took a lot of stuff from crime scene then when they are done Baez will have it retested...

They are still going to go with the defense that the nanny killed Caylee and framed casey.

Defense will also say the Prosecution case was tainted because they wouldn't let there people in crime scene and at autopsy. So they must have done something underhanded to get evidence to frame casey too.

Defense will also accuse LE of not following the tips from 8/11 8/12 and 8/13.. And say the meter reader had something to do with it because he kept calling. therefore he knows more...

They'll ask for change of venue.. They'll probably ask for different Judge.

They are going to postpone every chance they get. They will say Pros. didnt turn over all the discovery....They will ask again for Pros to be investigated . for everything....I can see it all now....JMO but they will accuse everyone of something and totally pizz off everyone that has to do with this case...


Happygert,
U are too funny.....U know all the stall tactics, don't U??
As sad as it is....U are probably 100% correct.
Thanks for the reply.

[Lavenia]

Happygert,
U are too funny.....U know all the stall tactics, don't U??
As sad as it is....U are probably 100% correct.
Thanks for the reply.


Yup, this isn't ol' Gerty Lou's first day on the job! Good job, Happygert! :thumbup:

[happygert]

Happygert,
U are too funny.....U know all the stall tactics, don't U??
As sad as it is....U are probably 100% correct.
Thanks for the reply.


Thanks and your welcome ..

[catdoc]

BEFORE this lawyer opened his big mouth tonite I could give Lee every benefit of the doubt. He is a young man just starting to try to be a man on his on--a difficult time for any man. His first entry into this fiasco was to barge into Tony's apt. and hit them with the pronoucement that his sister was a liar and a thief that coused them to scuttle to check their balances. He tried to be a good brother and loyal son and I saw deep sincerity when he questioned Casey. He wanted to believe her, as any brother would, but when she made him look like a fool to LE with his "investigation",i.e.wild goose chase, he shut up. Something GA and CA should have took note of. He said he would not be visiting her if he did not believe her and he made good on that (when he found out she was lying he quit visiting. He has made no appearance of supporting G and C's media blitzkring of lies. I saw his disappearance as disaproval of what they were doing. He got a bad rap for "destroying the memorial" although that is not what happened. He destroyed a disrepectful sign of a protester after trying to reason with the nutcase. He took the memorial inside. The only reason to accuse him of incest with his sister is to believe Casey. Why would this be her only truth? She only said it to boys she wanted to impress, why not her girlfriends? It's a hideous accusation from a hideous creature who has never met the truth (Judge Strictland). He advised them not to take a polygraph and I can understand that because he knew they were lying. Also I think he sought advice and did research and knew there could be false positives. He had probably covered up for Casey in the past, possibly about sex and drugs and feared that making him fail. He's an angry guy but I can see why! He has to try to salvage a life for himself after this and I hope he can. Now this lawyer wants his share of face time and stirs up all kinds of questions. I just hope he can come out of this clean and does not disapoint me

[happygert]

Yup, this isn't ol' Gerty Lou's first day on the job! Good job, Happygert! :thumbup:


I cant wait for this trial to start. its going to be a doosey.. Thanks
:beer:

[Shades]

BEFORE this lawyer opened his big mouth tonite I could give Lee every benefit of the doubt. He is a young man just starting to try to be a man on his on--a difficult time for any man. His first entry into this fiasco was to barge into Tony's apt. and hit them with the pronoucement that his sister was a liar and a thief that coused them to scuttle to check their balances. He tried to be a good brother and loyal son and I saw deep sincerity when he questioned Casey. He wanted to believe her, as any brother would, but when she made him look like a fool to LE with his "investigation",i.e.wild goose chase, he shut up. Something GA and CA should have took note of. He said he would not be visiting her if he did not believe her and he made good on that (when he found out she was lying he quit visiting. He has made no appearance of supporting G and C's media blitzkring of lies. I saw his disappearance as disaproval of what they were doing. He got a bad rap for "destroying the memorial" although that is not what happened. He destroyed a disrepectful sign of a protester after trying to reason with the nutcase. He took the memorial inside. The only reason to accuse him of incest with his sister is to believe Casey. Why would this be her only truth? She only said it to boys she wanted to impress, why not her girlfriends? It's a hideous accusation from a hideous creature who has never met the truth (Judge Strictland). He advised them not to take a polygraph and I can understand that because he knew they were lying. Also I think he sought advice and did research and knew there could be false positives. He had probably covered up for Casey in the past, possibly about sex and drugs and feared that making him fail. He's an angry guy but I can see why! He has to try to salvage a life for himself after this and I hope he can. Now this lawyer wants his share of face time and stirs up all kinds of questions. I just hope he can come out of this clean and does not disapoint me


I didn't see the lawyer's statement....where can I look at that??

Catdoc, I kinda believe U and understand where U are coming from.
I feel sorry for Lee, cuz I really think he is caught in the middle. Family loyality is an incredible thing, and I think he might just want to stand by his sister, and not believe she is able to do what she is accused of.

[catdoc]

I didn't see the lawyer's statement....where can I look at that??

Catdoc, I kinda believe U and understand where U are coming from.
I feel sorry for Lee, cuz I really think he is caught in the middle. Family loyality is an incredible thing, and I think he might just want to stand by his sister, and not believe she is able to do what she is accused of.



Sorry I don't have the link but you can find it a couple of pages back and it is probably posted on thelinks site by now. He had a lot to say. I just don't know why he said it now.

[norwood]

I am watching/listening to the NG show and the police interviews with Casey. My good God! I know that police expect people to lie to them, but, WOW! I had forgotten how she can just go from one to another with out taking a breath almost.

Everyone wants her to take a lie detector test but it would do no good. People that lie like that can pass. When they spin those lies they believe them to be the truth. They believe their stories no matter how absurd they are. Cindy would probably pass too. Not so sure George or Lee would pass. Have not heard as much from them.

[Shades]

I am watching/listening to the NG show and the police interviews with Casey. My good God! I know that police expect people to lie to them, but, WOW! I had forgotten how she can just go from one to another with out taking a breath almost.

Everyone wants her to take a lie detector test but it would do no good. People that lie like that can pass. When they spin those lies they believe them to be the truth. They believe their stories no matter how absurd they are. Cindy would probably pass too. Not so sure George or Lee would pass. Have not heard as much from them.

Norwood,
I am so with U. I saw the NG show earlier in the evening, just catching the last 15 minutes, and I had to stay up and watch the entire show. Can U believe Casey can lie so much. Those police are brutal to her, and she just doesn't seem upset at all.
The only one that holds the truth to this whole thing is Casey, and nobody can believe a word she says!! How sad is that.....:confused:

[catdoc]

I am watching/listening to the NG show and the police interviews with Casey. My good God! I know that police expect people to lie to them, but, WOW! I had forgotten how she can just go from one to another with out taking a breath almost.

Everyone wants her to take a lie detector test but it would do no good. People that lie like that can pass. When they spin those lies they believe them to be the truth. They believe their stories no matter how absurd they are. Cindy would probably pass too. Not so sure George or Lee would pass. Have not heard as much from them.

I think she would pass the test but I do not think she believes her lies. However since the test checks for biological signs produced by the anxiety of lying-sweating,B/P,and pulse rate go up - she would pass because her lies cause her no anxiety.

[norwood]

I have some time off of work right now, I work in the legal field and we did not have any big cases going during Dec so I have taken some time. Just trying to really catch up on this case and it is horrible.

They will never get the truth from Casey and probably not Cindy either. I think both of them tell one lie after another.

Going to spend the next two days going through all the links that everyone has so kindly posted.

We have a strange case in my area right now that the media, so far, has not tripped to so I may have to split my time trying to keep up with both of them.


I think in the end the only thing any jury is going to need to know is that a mother did not report a 2 year old missing for 31 days and then the only reason it was reported was that Cindy called the police before she knew that Casey had killed that little girl and then she tried to cover for her daughter. That is the only sense I can make of this.

[Jester]

Here's another thing. Most people when the person is found will make a statement for example something like this: We want to thank everyone who helped in searches or donations to help find our missing Granddaughter. However not the result we wanted but at least she was brought home. We no longer have to wonder where she is . Now we can put her to rest and hopefully the person or persons who have done this will be brought to justice: We want to thank TES , LE, FBI everyone that was involved in bring caylee home,and all searchers who took time away from there families to help us find her.
Something to that effect... The A's have never thanked anyone who has tried to help. All they did is spin lie after lie about them and tried to stop searches.:rolleyes:

That's a very interesting point. If the Anthonys ever believed that a stranger was involved, they would have had that statement prepared in advance. Instead, they have been so busy trying to protect Casey that they forgot their manners.

[Amy]

Last I heard (and I'm not saying it didn't happen, but) Jesse said Lee said Cindy said she choked Casey.

This is just one example of the shiite that's been going around and around board forever. Is there proof? I know that asking for proof will piss alot of posters off, but c'mon, let's get to the facts once and for all. It's been well over 8 months now. Doesn't ANYONE want to get at the truth here?

If posters here have truly done their homework, Casey is toast but quite frankly, it seems most posters just want to talk about her appearance. How will that hold up in a court of law? Or do you even care?

6 1/2 months (5 1/2 since "reporting") but whose counting?

[Jester]

Last I heard (and I'm not saying it didn't happen, but) Jesse said Lee said Cindy said she choked Casey.

This is just one example of the shiite that's been going around and around board forever. Is there proof? I know that asking for proof will piss alot of posters off, but c'mon, let's get to the facts once and for all. It's been well over 8 months now. Doesn't ANYONE want to get at the truth here?

If posters here have truly done their homework, Casey is toast but quite frankly, it seems most posters just want to talk about her appearance. How will that hold up in a court of law? Or do you even care?

There is a rumor that there was a spat between Casey and Cindy the evening before Caylee was last seen, but Casey was home the next morning. George said that he last saw Caylee on the 16fh, and Cindy initially said she was last seen on the 9th, so who knows what either of them actually remember.

It is not "well over eight months" either. July 16 and counting by numbers back 30 is only 6 months.

Casey is toast, and she sure isn't happy about it.

She's like a horsey face, Mr Ed, talking horse.

All gum, no words.

[ellegna]

Good morning

New thread started for December 27th
http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?p=12583234&posted=1#post12583234

[klock777]

Not that I exactly think he had anything involment with a murder, but there are a few things that seem wierd to me:

When he first calls 911 on Aug 11- he is a MR stationed in this neighborhood - doesn't know the name of the streets, but states something about "the Anthony's house" - so how does he know their house but not any of the streets???

Says he stationed here on Mondays, but continues to call Tuesday and Wednesday from the area also.

States in his call he sees a bag and says "I'm not saying there's a body in it or anything..."


Just all wierd comments in my opinion....

[Pruddennce]

I think in the end the only thing any jury is going to need to know is that a mother did not report a 2 year old missing for 31 days and then the only reason it was reported was that Cindy called the police before she knew that Casey had killed that little girl and then she tried to cover for her daughter. That is the only sense I can make of this.

respectfully snipped...

yes, that is one fact that will resonate loudly in the courtroom....coupled with her activities during the 'missing period'.....not a care in the world.

she lied about all known locations she supposedly dropped her daughter off in the past and the present location. she sits there and tells Cindy Zanny has the same setup as Ricardo's apt....yet....the apt she claims her daughter was cared for in was vacant for months and months.

-she borrowed a shovel to dig up bamboo, yet she was not living at home anymore and her daughter wasnt with her.

-LE states in their narrative that neighbors said she was cussing loudly the nite of the 15th. <---the reason she left is being covered up by her parents.

-Cindy knew there was a possibility something happened to caylee---they searched their own backyard after they smelled the decomp in the car- she went to Universal on July 3rd looking for Caylee because Casey said she was working there that day, although Cindy subsequently said her explanations were reasonable: She was with Jeff in Jacksonville? but working in Orlando? thats reasonable?

the jurors jaws will be on the floor when they hear she never reported her missing and went to the video store on the nite of June 16th, the day she claims Caylee was 'kidnapped'.

also her party hearty weekend immediately after that and all of her ms posts, texts and shopping sprees.

IMO

best regards,
Pru

[TealMermaid]

Who did Casey tell about being molested as a child? I totally missed that one.

Me too, and now I'm curious. Did she say who molested her?

[TealMermaid]

I cannot understand why anyone would think that Caylee was the product of Casey and Lee. No way. Just too far fetched for my brain. No way.

I may live to eat these words....but no way.

It's just a theory, but it would explain her family's behavior. This family is so unhealthy and dysfunctional that I think anything is possible!

[TealMermaid]

In middle school wasn't it, and she said Lee wanted to have sex with her?

She actually said LEE WANTED TO HAVE SEX WITH HER!?! :ohmy: