Caylee Anthony - Dec 25/08 -Christmas Day - Part 1

[ellegna]

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[CC I See]

What a beautiful picture...... she looked so much like her grandmother Cindy.

[Adonna]

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Merry Christmas sweet angel, you are forever remembered and loved.

[ellegna]

The link for Light a Candle for Caylee is not working this morning so I am lighting my own in her precious memory

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[Regina.Lampert]

I cannot imagine what the Anthony's are feeling this Christmas Day. Loosing Caylee in the manner in which they did is horrifying in itself, but to know that your own daughter, whom you raised, is responsible is something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

They both need serious counselling, imo.

[ellegna]

Caylee Anthony is latest child to be added to Leesburg memorial (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-memorial2508dec25,0,6529620.story)

[Regina.Lampert]

I would like to wish each and everyone of you a very merry and blessed Christmas. We have all been together since summer discussing this case and hoping that they would find Caylee. Our hopes and wishes came true on December 11th.

Looking towards the New Year and following this trial with the best posters on the net, imo.


Happy Holidays!!


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[Katt2]

I cannot imagine what the Anthony's are feeling this Christmas Day. Loosing Caylee in the manner in which they did is horrifying in itself, but to know that your own daughter, whom you raised, is responsible is something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

They both need serious counselling, imo.



It is unbelievable that one spoiled, evil 22 year old girl has caused so much grief for her entire family and brought them to their knees and caused so much heartache for the thousands of us that have taken this little girl into our hearts since the day we found out she was missing.

[msgatorslayer]

Caylee Anthony is latest child to be added to Leesburg memorial (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/lake/orl-memorial2508dec25,0,6529620.story)

Thank you for linking this, Ellegna. What a nice thing for Mr. Williams to do.

Merry Christmas, everyone! My heart aches for the Anthony's today. Caylee was at that age when Christmas would have been so magical and fun for her. :rose:

[Barbara fl.]

I cannot imagine what the Anthony's are feeling this Christmas Day. Loosing Caylee in the manner in which they did is horrifying in itself, but to know that your own daughter, whom you raised, is responsible is something that will haunt them for the rest of their lives.

They both need serious counselling, imo.




Merry Christmas to everyone....

I agree with you....I can not even imagine what it must be like...I watched my 3 yr old grandson opening presents and he was just so excited it brought tears to my eyes to think of Caylee....She should have been opening presents this morning...

This is truly a sad Christmas for all who have become involved with this case....The Anthony's don't seem to have too much support (understandably so)...but I do hope that Lee satys with them for the holidays....I can not look unkindly to them today for any reason....

[courtsinsession]

What a beautiful picture...... she looked so much like her grandmother Cindy.

you are so right- Caylee looked just like Cindy- that probably wasn't lost on Casey

[Barbara fl.]

It is unbelievable that one spoiled, evil 22 year old girl has caused so much grief for her entire family and brought them to their knees and caused so much heartache for the thousands of us that have taken this little girl into our hearts since the day we found out she was missing.


It's so sad to think that one person can cause so much grief to so many people.....It's even harder to understand why she don't care....even after doing what she did, she is still maintaining her innocence....I would think that this day would have brought her to her knees and be asking for forgiveness....

[Barbara fl.]

Merry Christmas everyone! I hope everyone has a safe and happy Holiday.

I can't say anything derogatory about the A's today. I'm hoping they find some way to bring peace into their life today and in the New Year as well. I wonder if Casey is thinking about the two Christmas seasons she spent with Caylee and her family. I hope she's thinking about that and a whole lot more. I hope she's thinking about someone other than just herself today. I'm praying she decides to tell the truth and confess to what she did. It would be best for her and everyone else involved IMO.



I agree whole heartedly.....If Casey had half a conscience she would think of what she has and is putting her family thru right now....Also, I do not understand why this defense wants to hold up this burial any longer....this family needs closure....They will not find anything at all that could help the defense. I feel the pictures and the reports should be enough for them to dispute if they want to.

Henry Lee will only look more incompetent if he tries to dispute the me's findings....There is NO way that they will be able to prove accidental death......JMO

[Leanne Weich]

I said a prayer for George and Cindy this morning. I hope God helps them through this. No matter what I think of them, I wouldn't want to be them and I do feel so badly for what they must feel today. I hope they come to realize that Caylee is happy and safe in the arms of the angels and that everyday will be Christmas for that little angel. I also hope they come to terms with what Casey has done and taken from them.

I'd wish them a Happy Holiday but it won't be happy for them so I'll just send them prayers.

At midnight Mass this a.m. I asked for a prayer for justice for Michelle Young, her daughter, mom and sister. The Priest then told me he'd also been asked for a prayer for Caylee, Cindy and George Anthony. Amazing that in the age of international media, people thousands and thousands of miles away, remember these people too as if they were our next door neighbours. As unchristianlike as it sounds, I'm so glad the names of Jason Young and Casey Anthony were not requested to be added to the prayers.

[starling]

RIP sweet Caylee. May your everyday with the angels be Christmas.

She was a beautiful little girl.




:rose: Soar with angels little one




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[coffee1950j]

Merry Christmas to everyone....

I agree with you....I can not even imagine what it must be like...I watched my 3 yr old grandson opening presents and he was just so excited it brought tears to my eyes to think of Caylee....She should have been opening presents this morning...

This is truly a sad Christmas for all who have become involved with this case....The Anthony's don't seem to have too much support (understandably so)...but I do hope that Lee satys with them for the holidays....I can not look unkindly to them today for any reason....

I was talking to a friend last nite who has 3 yr old twin grandchildren. He was telling me all about them going to Santa, oohing and aahing at the lights, etc. and I was thinking about Caylee and how she would have been doing the same.

My grandson is the same age Conner Peterson would be. Everything he does I think "Conner would be doing this" too.

How sad that those who are supposed to love them do this.

[*MoonRider*]

Merry Christmas everyone. I agree with you KY and I will only have positive thoughts on this beautiful day. I'm a long way from Orlando but my priest asked that we pray for Caylee today. My thoughts and prayers go out to the Anthony's for their loss and for all who are missing loved ones on this Christmas Day.

[Barbara fl.]

I was talking to a friend last nite who has 3 yr old twin grandchildren. He was telling me all about them going to Santa, oohing and aahing at the lights, etc. and I was thinking about Caylee and how she would have been doing the same.

My grandson is the same age Conner Peterson would be. Everything he does I think "Conner would be doing this" too.

How sad that those who are supposed to love them do this.


That is the part that hurts the most....The ones that are supposed to be protecting them are the ones they need protection from.....It's bad enough when a child is abducted and murdered....but when it happens at the hands of their own mother it is so hard to understand.....

Caylee is having Christmas in heaven now with the angels, she doesn't have to be afraid any longer.....she is with her family now...

Casey has to be the one to be afraid now...The Lord doesn't look too kindly to people who hurt children....Because in reality she hurts God's child not her's....

[ellegna]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

[Barbara fl.]

I was talking to a friend last nite who has 3 yr old twin grandchildren. He was telling me all about them going to Santa, oohing and aahing at the lights, etc. and I was thinking about Caylee and how she would have been doing the same.

My grandson is the same age Conner Peterson would be. Everything he does I think "Conner would be doing this" too.

How sad that those who are supposed to love them do this.


My 11 yr old granddaughter is in the drum club at school and they performed at our local library that was just completed not to long ago...They had Santa there and my 3 year old grandson ran across the floor and past everyone else right into Santa's arms..I tried to stop him but it happened to fast.....Santa bent down and hugged him and everyone almost came to tears it was so touching...That is what 3 year olds do this time of year...they are just beginning to really understand Christmas...

It's just so very sad....I pray Cindy and George get thru this day without too much pain...I hope that Lee is at least spending it with thyem so that they wont be alone.....

[kitty1182]

It is unbelievable that one spoiled, evil 22 year old girl has caused so much grief for her entire family and brought them to their knees and caused so much heartache for the thousands of us that have taken this little girl into our hearts since the day we found out she was missing.



It's so sad..This morning Caylee should have been up by now to see what Santa bought her...I just can't imagine the heartache the GP's must be feeling....Christmas won't ever be the same....
Casey might have well had just took a gun and killed them..

[Barbara fl.]

It's so sad..This morning Caylee should have been up by now to see what Santa bought her...I just can't imagine the heartache the GP's must be feeling....Christmas won't ever be the same....
Casey might have well had just took a gun and killed them..


I know if I was them, that's what I would be wishing for right now...for someone to end the pain for me....

God be with them....

[SandyO]

You have to wonder what thoughts are going through Casey's mind this morning............. She obviously wasn't looking forward to this Christmas when her behavior went so far off-track last June. It would be my Christmas miracle if she would just "come clean" and put an end to all of this --- but I wonder if Mr. Baez will take a break from his family celebration today and visit her in jail.

[annalyzer]

Emails (thanks to Swarovski for finding them :)

http://74.125.47.132/search?q=cache:rGfnSBf17B8J:blogs.discovery.com/criminal_report/files/13.pdf+caylee,+record,+07/14/08&hl=en&ct=clnk&cd=6&gl=us

[Regina.Lampert]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)



"82 cents"...............Buono Appetito odious creature!


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[n/t]

Merry Christmas Caylee! You're in the arms of the angels now and noone could hurt you. You'll always be remembered as our little "shunshine". :rose:

To my fellow posters: Have a blessed Christmas with your loved ones. Merry Christmas!

[Heidi J.]

285 pages.. (http://www.legacy.com/gb/guestbookview.aspx?personId=121581033) Truly loved by many.

She will always be in my thoughts.. Merry Christmas Angel.

:rose:

[Katt2]

285 pages.. (http://www.legacy.com/gb/guestbookview.aspx?personId=121581033) Truly loved by many.

She will always be in my thoughts.. Merry Christmas Angel.

:rose:

Oh my goodness, did you see the post that said she would be missed by her mommy???

[WillowInFlight]

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Merry Christmas sweet angel, you are forever remembered and loved.

I think that is my favorite picture of Caylee, she looks like an angel.

[WillowInFlight]

Oh my goodness, did you see the post that said she would be missed by her mommy???

OMG where Katt?

[WillowInFlight]

285 pages.. (http://www.legacy.com/gb/guestbookview.aspx?personId=121581033) Truly loved by many.

She will always be in my thoughts.. Merry Christmas Angel.

:rose:

Truly amazing, when I left her my message it was only 19 pages.

[playnice]

I hope they bury that little baby doll with Caylee. LE probably has it into evidence though.

[WillowInFlight]

You have to wonder what thoughts are going through Casey's mind this morning............. She obviously wasn't looking forward to this Christmas when her behavior went so far off-track last June. It would be my Christmas miracle if she would just "come clean" and put an end to all of this --- but I wonder if Mr. Baez will take a break from his family celebration today and visit her in jail.

I bet if Cindy and George don't visit Baez will.

[kitty1182]

Kitty, Merry Christmas and all the best to you and yours.

Merry Christmas to you too...


Merry Christmas to Caylee in Heaven.

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[Katt2]

OMG where Katt?

Don't think I should post the post but it is on page 5 and the 6th post down.

[WillowInFlight]

Don't think I should post the post but it is on page 5 and the 6th post down.

Thank you Katt.

[SavannahStar]

Don't think I should post the post but it is on page 5 and the 6th post down.

That message was beautiful and heartfelt. She included Casey with the whole family that would be missing her. I'm surely not going to judge what someone puts on a memorial page.

The messages are all lovely, and it's very heartening to see so many that indicate sympathy to George and Cindy.

[aubrey04]

I bet if Cindy and George don't visit Baez will.

I would think that her parents would visit her today, but who knows? I think it would be bizarre if they didn't.

[Katt2]

That message was beautiful and heartfelt. She included Casey with the whole family that would be missing her. I'm surely not going to judge what someone puts on a memorial page.

The messages are all lovely, and it's very heartening to see so many that indicate sympathy to George and Cindy.

Oh I am sure it was heartfelt and I didn't mean to come off as judging the poster but it is rather ironic to see a message that says mommy will miss her when mommy is the one responsible for little Caylee being missed at all.

[tootie]

I was thinking back to my Christmas'es as a child. I loved waking up early and opening my gifts (weeble wobbles were my favorite). Poor Caylee would have been at the age where she would have been enjoying it too. Rest in peace little one. You won't be forgotten. :rose:

[WillowInFlight]

I would think that her parents would visit her today, but who knows? I think it would be bizarre if they didn't.

I would have thought that they would have been with her when she received the news that Caylee was found. I think right now George and Cindy need some healing time. I think they may be coming to grips with the truth, and that can't be easy.

[aubrey04]

Oh I am sure it was heartfelt and I didn't mean to come off as judging the poster but it is rather ironic to see a message that says mommy will miss her when mommy is the one responsible for little Caylee being missed at all.

It was a strange thing to post. Maybe the person who wrote it hasn't been keeping up the case against Casey.

[SavannahStar]

Oh I am sure it was heartfelt and I didn't mean to come off as judging the poster but it is rather ironic to see a message that says mommy will miss her when mommy is the one responsible for little Caylee being missed at all.

Well it is, of course. But as I said, it was a beautifully written message and I don't think she was singling Casey out, just including her in the family.

It's conceivable to me that Casey misses Caylee, and not just because she is in jail right now charged with her murder.

[WillowInFlight]

It was a strange thing to post. Maybe the person who wrote it hasn't been keeping up the case against Casey.

Or maybe they were hoping that Casey has regrets. I often wonder if she could go back in time about the 'what ifs".

[tootie]

I wonder why George and Cindy don't go visit Casey and show some support IF they REALLY think she's innocent.

Probably afraid the visit will be taped.

[aubrey04]

Or maybe they were hoping that Casey has regrets. I often wonder if she could go back in time about the 'what ifs".

I am sure Casey would, as she is looking at life in prison w/o parole. No more parties & bars, multiple boyfriends, shopping (with other peoples moey)..etc.

But nothing can bring Caylee back now. It is still hard for me to believe that she intentionally killed Caylee, but that duct tape really has me stumped.

:huh: :confused:

[playnice]

I am sure Casey would, as she is looking at life in prison w/o parole. No more parties & bars, multiple boyfriends, shopping (with other peoples moey)..etc.

But nothing can bring Caylee back now. It is still hard for me to believe that she intentionally killed Caylee, but that duct tape really has me stumped.

:huh: :confused:

We dont know what they found in that bag. If they found a rag that she taped over her with choloform they will have
COD.

[Lavenia]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

Well, she'll have plenty of time to load up on that jailhouse Christmas creamed corn, then. :thumbsup:

[WillowInFlight]

I am sure Casey would, as she is looking at life in prison w/o parole. No more parties & bars, multiple boyfriends, shopping (with other peoples moey)..etc.

But nothing can bring Caylee back now. It is still hard for me to believe that she intentionally killed Caylee, but that duct tape really has me stumped.

:huh: :confused:

I know I keep hoping it was an accident, but the internet searches does it for me. What a shame. I just can't believe that Casey didn't have anyone in her life that she could turn to.

[WillowInFlight]

Well, she'll have plenty of time to load up on that jailhouse Christmas creamed corn, then. :thumbsup:

I found a can in my cabinet the other day and was like WTH, I told hubby that stuff should be outlawed, Now maybe not. LOL

[aubrey04]

I know I keep hoping it was an accident, but the internet searches does it for me. What a shame. I just can't believe that Casey didn't have anyone in her life that she could turn to.

Yes, the internet searches are troubling as well. I never believed an "accident" but I thought maybe it was unintentional OD. If she was sedated with chloroform or xanax and put in the trunk of Casey's car, so Casey could go party -- to me that it isn't an accident. Anyway, I guess we'll see when more evidence is released.

[PuffDragon]

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Oh, that picture makes me sad and not sad at the same time. She looks like an angel there.

[PuffDragon]

It is so hard to believe she is gone. I hoped against hope that she was still alive. It amazes me how we can come to love a child we never met and to care so very much about her. Today my heart wishes George and Cindy some peace. They must be going through hell. I pray they find some comfort this holiday season. I'm afraid the New Year is only going to bring them more heart ache as they face what Casey has done. God help them.

However I feel about Cindy and George' behavior, I wouldn't wish their feelings today on the worst person on earth. I think I'd want to stay in my room and isolate myself from everything beyond the door.

[PuffDragon]

I would like to wish each and everyone of you a very merry and blessed Christmas. We have all been together since summer discussing this case and hoping that they would find Caylee. Our hopes and wishes came true on December 11th.

Looking towards the New Year and following this trial with the best posters on the net, imo.



Happy Holidays!!


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We were here before and we'll be here after. This is a good time to take a breath and step back for a while. Happy holidays to you too, Regina.

[Katt2]

I know I keep hoping it was an accident, but the internet searches does it for me. What a shame. I just can't believe that Casey didn't have anyone in her life that she could turn to.

The internet searches don't have a lot of bearing for me because they were done so long before Caylee died. Had it been a week before I might think differently. I don't think even Casey could ponder killing Caylee for 3 months and then do it. I am still inclined to think accidental.

[daHawg]

None of us know how ,or why this happened , but when we speak of accidental ,there are many ways to view that .As you said if placed in truck with CF-or Xanax ,t he " INTENT " when the ACT was taken has to be disected. I am not rying to TAKE UP for CASEY , but the " INTENT " has to be there . Not that we know the full pcture , but on the PREMISE of using it as a baby sitter ........there is
NO " INTENT" to KILL , it was for babysitting , not that she should have used that to babysit . Interesting in the beginning a DOCTOR had said many mothers have used this for that reason .I have never heard of this though, wonder where CASEY GOT THAT IDEA ~!!!!!
I hear what you are saying about the "intent" and all but to me and if I understand the FL statutes the use of the xanax and or chloroform regardless if it is used for babysitting purposes equates to child abuse and if someone dies due to child abuse that becomes felony murder in the 1st degree. So to me the whole accidental OD is basically a moot point as far as I can see. Which may or may not be the law but it is the way I feel.

[Lavenia]

However I feel about Cindy and George' behavior, I wouldn't wish their feelings today on the worst person on earth. I think I'd want to stay in my room and isolate myself from everything beyond the door.

I have to say the ONLY thing that would keep me from committing suicide in their position, is the fact they have another child and parents that you just can't do that to. I hope they can soldier on and cobble together some kind of existence with some peace after the tornado of this fades somewhat. I really can't imagine a worse position to be in than the Anthony family.

[WillowInFlight]

I hear what you are saying about the "intent" and all but to me and if I understand the FL statutes the use of the xanax and or chloroform regardless if it is used for babysitting purposes equates to child abuse and if someone dies due to child abuse that becomes felony murder in the 1st degree. So to me the whole accidental OD is basically a moot point as far as I can see. Which may or may not be the law but it is the way I feel.

ITA, if she used chloroform and knew it could cause harm then it is murder in my book. Who does that?

[Lavenia]

I found a can in my cabinet the other day and was like WTH, I told hubby that stuff should be outlawed, Now maybe not. LOL

Use it as a doorstop or donate to your favorite inmate!

Mmmm. :drool:

Does anyone know where the commissary records for her are kept? I saw the ones from last week, but where do you find them? I'm anxious to see if she had any "Christmas deposits" next time they're posted.

[aubrey04]

I hear what you are saying about the "intent" and all but to me and if I understand the FL statutes the use of the xanax and or chloroform regardless if it is used for babysitting purposes equates to child abuse and if someone dies due to child abuse that becomes felony murder in the 1st degree. So to me the whole accidental OD is basically a moot point as far as I can see. Which may or may not be the law but it is the way I feel.

Felony murder .. You're correct, if someone dies during the commission of a felony, then the felony murder rule applies. Brandon Hein of California is a perfect example of how felony murder plays out in the courts.

Also, I am reminded of prosecutor Alan Jackson in the Phil Spector trial. He said, according to the law in California, if you hold a gun to someones head and the gun goes off.. it is not an accident. Holding a lethal weapon at someone was an intentional act. Lethal weapon in the OD scenario = drugs.

If Casey did give Caylee drugs and Caylee OD'ed.. it is NOT an accident. Casey may not have intentionally meant for Caylee to die though... it's still not an accident though.

jmo

[neid_77]

Merry Christmas little angel! i love you so! i know the Christmas you are spending is heaven is like none other and will enjoy forever! My sympathy's for the Anthony family how heartbreaking it must be to know those precious little hands will not be opening presents this year..to hear the crumpling of paper the rush to open a gift..the smiles the luaghter the excitement. Caylee Marie Anthony...but know little angel you have brought so much happiness joy through the pain and sadness...millions of americans and thousands across the whole world will forever be wrapped in your memory..you will live forever in the hearts of the world! your life brang so much for so many in it's shortness...Rest peacefully in the tender loving peaceful arms of the Lord Jesus, sweet baby girl:rose::rose:

[Lavenia]

O/T, but one of our beloved posters, House, needs our thoughts, prayers, good vibes and whatever other healing properties you believe in.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347035

One of our own needs us, folks.

House. :rose:

[kitty1182]

O/T, but one of our beloved posters, House, needs our thoughts, prayers, good vibes and whatever other healing properties you believe in.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347035

One of our own needs us, folks.

House. :rose:

:rose:

.................

[MalloryCat]

you are so right- Caylee looked just like Cindy- that probably wasn't lost on Casey

And Casey looks like Cindy in her way, this world is full of people who have children who look like there ex they cant stand. And since Casey considers her daughter absolutely captivating, I dont think her looks and mannerisms are what made her kill her, Caylee was wonderful probably because she was raised by loving grandparents who just happened not to be psychic and could forsee the future, basically the same as the rest of us.

[PuffDragon]

How fitting.

I wonder if she even cares. MO? Possibly not.

[WillowInFlight]

O/T, but one of our beloved posters, House, needs our thoughts, prayers, good vibes and whatever other healing properties you believe in.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347035

One of our own needs us, folks.

House. :rose:

Love, light and prayers House. Stay strong. :rose:

[Lavenia]

love that smily. LOL Wow where can i get a meal for only .82 cents?

I hear Willow has a can of creamed corn she might be selling! :wink:

You KNOW Casey is suffering on an .82 meal. Not like Mama used to make. (If it is, that may explain things! :scared:)

Is Lee on Casey's visitor's list? I can't imagine that he would visit, but maybe?

[RainyNiteNTx]

Well it is, of course. But as I said, it was a beautifully written message and I don't think she was singling Casey out, just including her in the family.

It's conceivable to me that Casey misses Caylee, and not just because she is in jail right now charged with her murder.

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

[SavannahStar]

The internet searches don't have a lot of bearing for me because they were done so long before Caylee died. Had it been a week before I might think differently. I don't think even Casey could ponder killing Caylee for 3 months and then do it. I am still inclined to think accidental.


I'm still almost leaning that way myself. As to the searches, I really need to hear testimony at trial about them. We don't know too much about them. And we do not have LE confirmation on the duct tape, to my knowledge.

[Lavenia]

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

I agree TX! I think she misses Caylee like an alibi.

ETA: If good old Jose deliver on his AHA moment, I'll be the first to deposit .82 in Casey's commissary fund as an apology.

[WillowInFlight]

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

Calling Caylee little snothead, means nothing to me, when my kids were little I called them funny little names, grant it I NEVER thought to kill them. If Casey thinks she is going to walk free it's because that is what Baez has her believing. IMO

[SavannahStar]

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

IIRC, "snothead" was in ONE conversation, ONE text message. There was a big discussion on this on another message board. Most said that they've referred to their kids worse over the course of time and don't take that one instance of reference to Caylee in a really bad way. Casey has enough things going against her, as she SHOULD, but I don't think the use of "snothead" that one time is one of them, personally.

To me, it is NOT inconceivable she misses Caylee and regrets what she did.

Again, that being said, does NOT mean I am "soft" on her, nor do I think she is innocent, nor do I think she should not get LWOP for what she did to that beautiful child.

But I'm certainly no psychiatrist or psychic....I would never, ever profess to say I "know" what someone feels or is thinking. I would guess Casey is in her own private hell right now, and for many reasons we will never know....and that hell is of her own making.

[impartial]

Calling Caylee little snothead, means nothing to me, when my kids were little I called them funny little names, grant it I NEVER thought to kill them. If Casey thinks she is going to walk free it's because that is what Baez has her believing. IMO


Thank you Willow ... With as much as they have dwelved into her past, snothead is the only derrogatory comment, which may not even be that.

I have twins, and when they were 3, I called one of them a boogar that you can't get rid of ... he was glued to me at the hip. I love them more than life itself.

IMO

[Regina.Lampert]

http://bestsmileys.com/religous/5.gif House, and keep you in His Hands.

[SavannahStar]

Thank you Willow ... With as much as they have dwelved into her past, snothead is the only derrogatory comment, which may not even be that.

I have twins, and when they were 3, I called one of them a boogar that you can't get rid of ... he was glued to me at the hip. I love them more than life itself.

IMO

:biggrin: Well there ya go.

Merry Christmas, impartial! To you and yours! And a blessed New Year. Muah! :wub:

[desmom]

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

One thing that really sticks out in my mind was the jail visit when Cindy and Casey are discussing the list of food items found in Casey's car. Casey rattled off bagels, cheese etc and said they were healthy foods for herself. Cindy commented that Caylee likes those things also. Casey's "Well I like them too!" response, IMO, came across as a Hey we are discussing me and my food likes, not Caylee's!

I always felt like it was an odd thing to say. I believe Casey looked at Caylee as competition.

jmo

[CC I See]

I find it INconceivable that Casey misses Caylee. She referred to her as the little snothead and obviously Caylee was in her way. I'm sure Casey is just biding her time til Baez presents her case and she walks out scot-free (in her mind). She thinks she'll go waltzing right back into her old life of partying and boyfriends and no responsibility of Caylee. JMO

I don't think it was what she called her that matters but the context of the statement. She was trying to line up a romp with her cop honey and Caylee was in the way. Makes for motive, I think.

[impartial]

IIRC, "snothead" was in ONE conversation, ONE text message. There was a big discussion on this on another message board. Most said that they've referred to their kids worse over the course of time and don't take that one instance of reference to Caylee in a really bad way. Casey has enough things going against her, as she SHOULD, but I don't think the use of "snothead" that one time is one of them, personally.

To me, it is NOT inconceivable she misses Caylee and regrets what she did.

Again, that being said, does NOT mean I am "soft" on her, nor do I think she is innocent, nor do I think she should not get LWOP for what she did to that beautiful child.

But I'm certainly no psychiatrist or psychic....I would never, ever profess to say I "know" what someone feels or is thinking. I would guess Casey is in her own private hell right now, and for many reasons we will never know....and that hell is of her own making.


Merry Christmas SS !!!

I still haven't seen anything that supports a murder charge/conviction, yet. We have no idea what happened to Caylee, where, or how. She could have drowned, she could have been left in a hot car, she could have been accidentally overdosed, Casey could have gotten angry and lashed out unintentionally killing her, or she could have murdered her.
Lots of options, and I haven't seen enough evidence that supports murder.

No trauma to the bones, so no neck breaking (cross that off the computer list). Even if chloroform shows up in the toxicology ... will be difficult to say where it came from ... the body emits chloroform after death.

Waiting for the trial to see exactly what the evidence will show. The Body Farm's analysis did not conclude there was human decomposition in the car, although it appears fairly evident that poor little Caylee's body was in the trunk.

Happy Holidays !

IMO

[RainyNiteNTx]

I don't think it was what she called her that matters but the context of the statement. She was trying to line up a romp with her cop honey and Caylee was in the way. Makes for motive, I think.

Thanks CC - you got my point.

[Katt2]

Thank you Willow ... With as much as they have dwelved into her past, snothead is the only derrogatory comment, which may not even be that.

I have twins, and when they were 3, I called one of them a boogar that you can't get rid of ... he was glued to me at the hip. I love them more than life itself.

IMO

I cannot tell you how many times I have heard very loving mothers refer to their children as little sh!ts. On its face it sounds awful but isn't at all meant that way. I take snothead in the same context.

[PuffDragon]

The internet searches don't have a lot of bearing for me because they were done so long before Caylee died. Had it been a week before I might think differently. I don't think even Casey could ponder killing Caylee for 3 months and then do it. I am still inclined to think accidental.

I'm still on hold about the COD, but because we really don't have anything but conjecture right now, not because of the internet searches. I just can't see why she would need to know those things to get rid of a small child when it's so easy to put a pillow over the face in her sleep, or, as others keep wondering, do something in the pool. I can't get away from thinking that the searches had less to do with Caylee and more to do with Cindy and George. Further, the fact that she did apparently have the chloroform available hints to me that Cindy and George might not have been too far away from having some kind of an 'accident' or 'home invasion' themselves.

MO of course.

[PROPROS]

At midnight Mass this a.m. I asked for a prayer for justice for Michelle Young, her daughter, mom and sister. The Priest then told me he'd also been asked for a prayer for Caylee, Cindy and George Anthony. Amazing that in the age of international media, people thousands and thousands of miles away, remember these people too as if they were our next door neighbours. As unchristianlike as it sounds, I'm so glad the names of Jason Young and Casey Anthony were not requested to be added to the prayers.Morning all....Merry Christmas to everyone.....I also pray that there will be justice for Michelle Young and I agree with you about Jason.mo

[RainyNiteNTx]

One thing that really sticks out in my mind was the jail visit when Cindy and Casey are discussing the list of food items found in Casey's car. Casey rattled off bagels, cheese etc and said they were healthy foods for herself. Cindy commented that Caylee likes those things also. Casey's "Well I like them too!" response, IMO, came across as a Hey we are discussing me and my food likes, not Caylee's!

I always felt like it was an odd thing to say. I believe Casey looked at Caylee as competition.

jmo

Well Casey didn't appreciate Jesse loving Caylee either. I guess she decided murder was the best way to solve all of that.

[PuffDragon]

I have to say the ONLY thing that would keep me from committing suicide in their position, is the fact they have another child and parents that you just can't do that to. I hope they can soldier on and cobble together some kind of existence with some peace after the tornado of this fades somewhat. I really can't imagine a worse position to be in than the Anthony family.
<Emphasis mine>

Yes indeed. I wish I could believe that they were behind closed doors comforting each other but I can't see it. I see them isolated in their grief as they have been all along. What an awful day for them!

[SavannahStar]

Merry Christmas SS !!!

I still haven't seen anything that supports a murder charge/conviction, yet. We have no idea what happened to Caylee, where, or how. She could have drowned, she could have been left in a hot car, she could have been accidentally overdosed, Casey could have gotten angry and lashed out unintentionally killing her, or she could have murdered her.
Lots of options, and I haven't seen enough evidence that supports murder.

No trauma to the bones, so no neck breaking (cross that off the computer list). Even if chloroform shows up in the toxicology ... will be difficult to say where it came from ... the body emits chloroform after death.

Waiting for the trial to see exactly what the evidence will show. The Body Farm's analysis did not conclude there was human decomposition in the car, although it appears fairly evident that poor little Caylee's body was in the trunk.

Happy Holidays !

IMO

Oh ITA with all of that. I do think she killed Caylee but too much is unknown and to how/why/etc. I really respect your opinion, impartial, more than I can say. We go way back and I admire your ability to be extremely analytical and unbiased.

[PROPROS]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)Good...and I can tell you,that roast beef will not resemble anything that would come from our kitchens!! mo

[WillowInFlight]

<Emphasis mine>

Yes indeed. I wish I could believe that they were behind closed doors comforting each other but I can't see it. I see them isolated in their grief as they have been all along. What an awful day for them!

ITA, I don't think they are able to comfort each other right now, I think they are each dealing with their own sense of guilt. I hope they aren't alone today.

[impartial]

Good...and I can tell you,that roast beef will not resemble anything that would come from our kitchens!! mo

Speaking of kitchens, The Full of Life healthfood store in Burbank has a lunch counter, the cook is a Cordon Bleu trained chef. Their stuffed tomatoes and their Chipote sandwich are the best.

In Casey's alternate world, she's probably having dinner with Juliette Lewis and Jeff Hopkins, talking about Zanny.

IMO

[PROPROS]

Thank you Katt.I can't find it...:huh:

[impartial]

ITA, I don't think they are able to comfort each other right now, I think they are each dealing with their own sense of guilt. I hope they aren't alone today.


Cindy is probably replaying the fight they had June 15th over and over in her head.

IMO

[legalmania]

Caylee you should be playing with your new toys right now but since your not, I'm playing this Christmas tune for you. Merry Christmas baby girl.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Kenny Rogers - Merry Christmas (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/kenny_rogers/track/merry_christmas)

[Amy]

I would think that her parents would visit her today, but who knows? I think it would be bizarre if they didn't.
'
Wouldn't do them any good to go there if she is still refusing visitors.

[Amy]

I wonder why George and Cindy don't go visit Casey and show some support IF they REALLY think she's innocent.

Because Casey has refused to have any visitors except Baez. And a minister, don't know if he is still going or not.

[PROPROS]

Speaking of kitchens, The Full of Life healthfood store in Burbank has a lunch counter, the cook is a Cordon Bleu trained chef. Their stuffed tomatoes and their Chipote sandwich are the best.

In Casey's alternate world, she's probably having dinner with Juliette Lewis and Jeff Hopkins, talking about Zanny.

IMOThanks...a stuffed tomatoe sounds delicious right now. I'm getting tired of holiday food and sweets, sweets,sweets.:biggrin:

[snowflakes]

With Casey alledgedly being such a CSI nut, why did she do the chloroform, neckbreaking, etc., searches on her OWN computer?
DUH... Casey.

[Amy]

Also there was a recent case ,it was a school teacher having affair with a student , the husband of the school teacher came home to find the boy ,think the boy was 18, anyway was in the home , he told the boy to leave , the boy went to his car , the husband for some reason had a shotgun to the biys window ,the gun went off accidently and the boy was killed , the husband walked FREE ..this was recent , some may remember ,was it in Kansas ?

FL, I think. Seems most of the trials they are airing these days come from FL.

[MalloryCat]

Casey may have gotten the idea for the nanny kidmapping story from the TV show the Nanny. According to MSNBC: Shortly before Caylee disappeared, CA had goggled the 100 episode of the Nanny which had a kidnappping story!

mho

Why on earth would someone research a Fran Drescher sitcom? I mean watching it is bad enough, if something like that made her do all this, its obvious Casey is crazy, that fact alone is what the defense should harp on, if anyone can be influenced by that show, they are nuts, no dispute!!:rolleyes:

[impartial]

With Casey alledgedly being such a CSI nut, why did she do the chloroform, neckbreaking, etc., searches on her OWN computer?
DUH... Casey.

Someone posted a while ago that neck breaking/breaking neck is the name of a band ... I have no clue if true though.

IMO

[Cury-us Coyote]

Cindy is probably replaying the fight they had June 15th over and over in her head.

IMO


Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
12/24/2008 A EX PARTE MOTION TO APPOINT SPECIAL MASTER
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

[Amy]

Merry Christmas SS !!!

I still haven't seen anything that supports a murder charge/conviction, yet. We have no idea what happened to Caylee, where, or how. She could have drowned, she could have been left in a hot car, she could have been accidentally overdosed, Casey could have gotten angry and lashed out unintentionally killing her, or she could have murdered her.
Lots of options, and I haven't seen enough evidence that supports murder.

No trauma to the bones, so no neck breaking (cross that off the computer list). Even if chloroform shows up in the toxicology ... will be difficult to say where it came from ... the body emits chloroform after death.

Waiting for the trial to see exactly what the evidence will show. The Body Farm's analysis did not conclude there was human decomposition in the car, although it appears fairly evident that poor little Caylee's body was in the trunk.

Happy Holidays !

IMO

Just like in all cases. Prosecution hasn't released ALL the information they have that led them to the charge of murder in the first degree. Just because WE don't see it, doesn't mean it isn't there!!!

[impartial]

Why on earth would someone research a Fran Drescher sitcom? I mean watching it is bad enough, if something like that made her do all this, its obvious Casey is crazy, that fact alone is what the defense should harp on, if anyone can be influenced by that show, they are nuts, no dispute!!:rolleyes:


lol ... no argument here.

I read it was the 100th episode of a different show ... can't recall the name right now ... on the CW, I researched it, the promo's show a wedding, but in the comments section, it did mention the nanny holding someone hostage.

Sorry, if I recall the name, I will post it.

IMO

[courtsinsession]

And Casey looks like Cindy in her way, this world is full of people who have children who look like there ex they cant stand. And since Casey considers her daughter absolutely captivating, I dont think her looks and mannerisms are what made her kill her, Caylee was wonderful probably because she was raised by loving grandparents who just happened not to be psychic and could forsee the future, basically the same as the rest of us.

I don't think Caylee looking more like Cindy than Casey had anything to do with Casey killing Caylee but I think Casey, being the narcissist she is would preferred that Caylee look like her(Casey); it was just one more thing in her twisted mind that put her in a mental state to maybe want Caylee off this earth. If you listen to Jessee Grund it is interesting that he said she was jealous of the attention he paid to Caylee.......... just plain sick; he also said that Casey seemed to change overnight, going from what appeared to be a responsible mother to a party girl, who broke her engagement with him and apparently at some point didnt' want Caylee around any longer.

[snowflakes]

It took the Grand jury all of 30 minutes to indict her so............

[SavannahStar]

Someone posted a while ago that neck breaking/breaking neck is the name of a band ... I have no clue if true though.

IMO

So is Chloroform, IIRC.

[Cury-us Coyote]

lol ... no argument here.

I read it was the 100th episode of a different show ... can't recall the name right now ... on the CW, I researched it, the promo's show a wedding, but in the comments section, it did mention the nanny holding someone hostage.

Sorry, if I recall the name, I will post it.

IMO

Casey Anthony's Zenaida Claim Inspired by TV Show?
(1 Tree Hill nanny kidnapping, premediation)
http://www.wftv.com/news/18343056/detail.html

[StillEG]

lol ... no argument here.

I read it was the 100th episode of a different show ... can't recall the name right now ... on the CW, I researched it, the promo's show a wedding, but in the comments section, it did mention the nanny holding someone hostage.

Sorry, if I recall the name, I will post it.

IMO
One Tree Hill

[steffaroob4]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
12/24/2008 A EX PARTE MOTION TO APPOINT SPECIAL MASTER
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/

Can you explain it to me????


Merry Christmas!!!!

[legalmania]

Was loving mom Casey planning to kill her daughter? If the prosecution is able to prove this I definitely see a door open to first degree, but if the defense can prove that the now infamous bag was not there could this leave room for reasonable doubt?

[impartial]

Case Number: 08-CF-0015606-O
12/24/2008 A EX PARTE MOTION TO APPOINT SPECIAL MASTER
http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/


Hey Cury-us ... Merry Christmas !

I can't pull the motion up from that site, is it downloaded anywhere? TIA !!

[legalmania]

Can you explain it to me????


Merry Christmas!!!!

We examined this last night and I think it has to do with Casey visiting her daughters grave. Some people think it has to do with the A's or more evidence.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Can you explain it to me????


Merry Christmas!!!!

No. IMO, the timing is really unusual and the action is uncommon. IIRC, the judge MAY rotate out. Another puzzle.
jmo

[Amy]

Armywife posted a link on the last page of yesterday's thread.

One thing I read pretty close to the top was something about rumors, not being substantiated yet. Don't know if they ever substantiated anything or not.

http://blog.myspace.com/index.cfm?fu...ogID=458774367

One thing that caught my eye was that someone wrote that Mark Hawkins was in FL @ the time Caylee would have been conceived, and evidenced that by posting in big, bold lettering that Mark Hawkinds was in FL MARCH 2005 in boot camp. Well, I NEVER heard of Caylee being born premature (March-August is FIVE months.) Caylee's conception would have been around November 2004.

[courtsinsession]

Casey may have gotten the idea for the nanny kidmapping story from the TV show the Nanny. According to MSNBC: Shortly before Caylee disappeared, CA had goggled the 100 episode of the Nanny which had a kidnappping story!

mho

wow; this is truly rather stunning news which I know i had not heard before; i hope the prosecution knows of this and investigates this possiblity.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Hey Cury-us ... Merry Christmas !

I can't pull the motion up from that site, is it downloaded anywhere? TIA !!

Not that I can find. Must wait until a reporter visits the courthouse and places it online. It is likely the courthouse was practically dark.
jmo

[steffaroob4]

No. IMO, the timing is really unusual and the action is uncommon. IIRC, the judge MAY rotate out. Another puzzle.
jmo


Thanks
I thought it may have something to do with the discovery investigation, to see if LE made any mistakes.

[impartial]

No. IMO, the timing is really unusual and the action is uncommon. IIRC, the judge MAY rotate out. Another puzzle.
jmo

A special master could be for the purposes of dealing with the discovery issues ... the judge would still be on the case, but instead of having to file motions to the court, the special master would make recommendations relative to requests by the parties.

All my own conjecture here without seeing the actual motion.

IMO

[WillowInFlight]

Was loving mom Casey planning to kill her daughter? If the prosecution is able to prove this I definitely see a door open to first degree, but if the defense can prove that the now infamous bag was not there could this leave room for reasonable doubt?

I wonder if the rise and fall of the water could have caused the bag to move.

[SavannahStar]

ITA, SS.:beer:

Happy Festive Season, SavannahStar

Backattcha! :seeya:

[impartial]

Thanks to all who posted One Tree Hill.

Did anyone see the episode?

[legalmania]

I wonder if the rise and fall of the water could have caused the bag to move.

and animals as well

[legalmania]

No. IMO, the timing is really unusual and the action is uncommon. IIRC, the judge MAY rotate out. Another puzzle.
jmo

Could this be a sign of change of venue?

[StarShine]

According the the MSNBC Report, the episode is about a Nanny kidnapping a child.

mho

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Nanny_episodes

Are we taking about the Nanny with Fran Drescher?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Thanks
I thought it may have something to do with the discovery investigation, to see if LE made any mistakes.

Sometime listen carefully to the meter reader’s 911 calls for the term ‘WE’. IIRC on 8/11 - We found a dead rattlesnake, on 8/12 – We got done (before the alleged redacted portion) the again We found. Perhaps RK searched before the calls?? Maybe LE knows when the ditches and roadsides were last mowed before August.
JMO

[legalmania]

I'm playing Christmas tunes in memory of Caylee.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: The Beatles - Merry Christmas (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the_beatles/track/merry_christmas)

[legalmania]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Nanny_episodes

Are we taking about the Nanny with Fran Drescher?

OMG Casey was trying to commit a crime through an air head sit-com.

[Cury-us Coyote]

Could this be a sign of change of venue?

IMO, from the little available info, it is difficult to tell who raised the motion?

[PuffDragon]

O/T, but one of our beloved posters, House, needs our thoughts, prayers, good vibes and whatever other healing properties you believe in.

http://boards.insessiontrials.com/showthread.php?t=347035

One of our own needs us, folks.

House. :rose:

Oh how awful, of course I will send good thoughts! Thanks for the heads up Lavenia.

[PuffDragon]

And Casey looks like Cindy in her way, this world is full of people who have children who look like there ex they cant stand. And since Casey considers her daughter absolutely captivating, I dont think her looks and mannerisms are what made her kill her, Caylee was wonderful probably because she was raised by loving grandparents who just happened not to be psychic and could forsee the future, basically the same as the rest of us.

Well said!

[legalmania]

IMO, from the little available info, it is difficult to tell who raised the motion?

It was the defense someone put a link up last night.

[PuffDragon]

I don't think it was what she called her that matters but the context of the statement. She was trying to line up a romp with her cop honey and Caylee was in the way. Makes for motive, I think.

Yes, she wasn't referring to 'the little snothead' in an amusing and loving context, but as an impediment. To me that says it was the way she thought of Caylee.

[PuffDragon]

Good...and I can tell you,that roast beef will not resemble anything that would come from our kitchens!! mo

Speak for yourself, I just had some leftover mashed cauliflower. I'd take her roast beef dinner if she doesn't want it.

[aubrey04]

One Tree Hill

Yes. The show she googled was One Tree Hill, not the Nanny.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/casey-anthony-4.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18343056/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

[PuffDragon]

Casey may have gotten the idea for the nanny kidmapping story from the TV show the Nanny. According to MSNBC: Shortly before Caylee disappeared, CA had goggled the 100 episode of the Nanny which had a kidnappping story!

mho

Seriously??? Oh my. I hadn't heard that. Is that for sure?

[StarShine]

Yes. The show she googled was One Tree Hill, not the Nanny.

http://blogs.orlandosentinel.com/entertainment_tv_tvblog/2008/12/casey-anthony-4.html

http://www.wftv.com/news/18343056/detail.html?rss=orlc&psp=news

Well then I am confused because according to this site the 100 episode, if this is the same show, is not about a kidnapping but a wedding.

http://www.jackbook.com/tv/title-one-tree-hill-100th-episode-watch-one-tree-hill-100th-episode

[Amy]

Hi... Merry Christmas. I think Caylee accidentally drowned.

(just in case anybody wanted to know what I think) : )

I want to know what every one thinks!!! I might not AGREE with all (guess I can't, w/all the differing opinions, lol) but I get different insights, read about things I certainly had not tho't of. Even change my mind back and forth on a few issues.

[annalyzer]

Hi... Merry Christmas. I think Caylee accidentally drowned.

(just in case anybody wanted to know what I think) : )

Well then her mother should have called 911. There may have been a chance to revive the child.

[Amy]

It was the defense someone put a link up last night.

The only links I saw last night were the one to the article that did not say who filed, and the case file page that also did not say who filed.

[PuffDragon]

Was it mashed on purpose or by accident? I've never heard of mashed cauliflower.

Heh. Yes, it was mashed on purpose, I made it on Monday I think. I mash it like you'd mash potatoes, but with a speck of nutmeg added. One cauliflower lasts me at least a week.

[Lavenia]

Hi... Merry Christmas. I think Caylee accidentally drowned.

(just in case anybody wanted to know what I think) : )

Well you've always been our special child Dinner! :tonguewag: :laugh:

My vote is intentional asphyxia of some kind. Wanna bet .82 on it? :blink:

Merry Christmas to you, too!

[roytoy]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_The_Nanny_episodes

Are we taking about the Nanny with Fran Drescher?

the show is one tree hill. it is episode 100. one of the plotlines is a nanny kidnapping a child.

it has been posted upthread. numerous times.

[Lavenia]

Heh. Yes, it was mashed on purpose, I made it on Monday I think. I mash it like you'd mash potatoes, but with a speck of nutmeg added. One cauliflower lasts me at least a week.

On hubby's diet, too. Low-carb and all.

I can't remember; was 1 Tree Hill on one of the computer searches we got in the dump?

[legalmania]

The only links I saw last night were the one to the article that did not say who filed, and the case file page that also did not say who filed.

It was the Orange County records department or something. Let me see if I can pull up the link. If anybody has it feel free.

[aubrey04]

Well then I am confused because according to this site the 100 episode, if this is the same show, is not about a kidnapping but a wedding.

http://www.jackbook.com/tv/title-one-tree-hill-100th-episode-watch-one-tree-hill-100th-episode

It was the season finale. Originally aired on 3/18/2008. There was a wedding on the show and a kidnapping. The nanny is named "Carrie".. here is a more detailed recap of the episode that Casey googled:

http://www.tv.com/one-tree-hill/hundred/episode/1163641/recap.html?tag=overview;recap

[Mimi428]

I don't think it was what she called her that matters but the context of the statement. She was trying to line up a romp with her cop honey and Caylee was in the way. Makes for motive, I think.

ITA. The context & the combination of many ingredients are what lead us to believe that Casey's ultimate 'recipe' resulted in murder.

One ingredient - referring to Caylee as a 'snothead'.

Then add all the time Casey blatantly showed she was jealous of Caylee - she accused Jesse of loving Caylee more than her, she goes into a snit when Cindy remarks that Caylee likes cheese & bagels & 'neglects' to mention Casey likes them.

And so on & so on.

Bleach in it's own container is ok. Ammonia in it's own container is ok. But once you combine them, you have got a poisonous gas. I look at all the incidences that we know of about things Casey has said & done - & then combine them. I think they add up to murder.

JMO

[runnnempty]

It was the season finale. Originally aired on 3/18/2008. There was a wedding on the show and a kidnapping. The nanny is named "Carrie".. here is a more detailed recap of the episode that Casey googled:

http://www.tv.com/one-tree-hill/hundred/episode/1163641/recap.html?tag=overview;recap


This is what I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptRZnuNtZ0&feature=related

[aubrey04]

This is what I found.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ptRZnuNtZ0&feature=related

Yup. Good job.. :thumbup: Thank you.

[legalmania]

Click on criminal and then go to names it was filed on 12/24 MISSED A STEP CLICK DETAILS

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspx?SessionID=176070db-bf6c-4840-ad6a-66e30d945890

[legalmania]

I'm playing Christmas tunes all day in the memory of Caylee Anthony

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Bruce Springsteen - Santa Claus, Santa Claus (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/bruce_springsteen/track/santa_claus_santa_claus)

[bhardy1956]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

Oh, that's so sad....NOT!!!!!!!

[aubrey04]

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Wouldn't do them any good to go there if she is still refusing visitors.

Are we sure that Casey is refusing to see them? I thought it was a joint decision between Cindy/George and Casey b/c they didn't want the tapes made public.

I did read the rumor that Casey is refusing to see them, but I am still confused which scenario is true.

[StarShine]

It was the season finale. Originally aired on 3/18/2008. There was a wedding on the show and a kidnapping. The nanny is named "Carrie".. here is a more detailed recap of the episode that Casey googled:

http://www.tv.com/one-tree-hill/hundred/episode/1163641/recap.html?tag=overview;recap


Thanks. However I really don't see anything that compelling about this episode. In fact I never even heard of this show. Oh well!

[legalmania]

Well you've always been our special child Dinner! :tonguewag: :laugh:

My vote is intentional asphyxia of some kind. Wanna bet .82 on it? :blink:

Merry Christmas to you, too!

Class A dinner for sure. She chose this instead of sitting around the tree with her baby girl opening up presents and mom cooking up something with all the trimmings. Way to go Casey.

[bhardy1956]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

That is so sad.... NOT!!
Here let me make it worse for her ~ here casey :punch:

How will Caylee spend Christmas?? Dead...
I know her spirit lives on in the heavenly places, but it was to soon for that precious child. Merry Christmas Caylee - in the arms of angels.

[5boxersmom]

Just checking in everyone. Merry Christmas.

Yes, I remember there was a search on the One Tree Hill 100th episode in the docs. The nanny was on the show several times my DIL told me.

[legalmania]

Here's a thought I wonder if Roy the meter reader thought to document his findings with film. If he has dated pictures that would stop the defensive move that the body was not there.

[Mamie]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)


Yeah-----that tattoo that she got....I wonder how that's workin' for her now. JMO

[Gilly]

I can see the Nanny show making someone suicidal, but not homicidal.

imo


Too funny lol. That woman's laugh drives me up the wall.

Happy Holidays.

[MalloryCat]

Well... yeah! Her actions afterward could never be explained away, and I think she is facing life in prison, regardless of how Caylee's death occured.

Well, here is the time for her Oscar award winning preformance for a jury.

She should say it was an accident, she drowned, if the child was found with her suit, this could be successful. Casey did have a flurry of phone activity to her parents after an inactivity on her phone, I say she slept, Caylee decided to be a big girl and swim, she dies, is in the pool for about an hour and a half, rigor had started, she did call her parents, then another period of inactivity. Now she wasn't calling her parents if she intentionally killed the child. i think she freaked out and handled it bad, probably so bad she does not care if she lives in prison forever because maybe she either feels remorse, or shes afraid of her Mom never having anything to do with her again.

But my position changes on a daily basis, and will change if info released by LE points to murder without a doubt.

jmo

[Mimi428]

Hi... Merry Christmas. I think Caylee accidentally drowned.

(just in case anybody wanted to know what I think) : )

I personally like to entertain plausible theories. I don't feel the slightest bit compelled to give serious thought to the preposterous theories, but good, alternate theories help sharpen the thinking process, exercise the brain, etc. (and I am certainly not suggesting you have a presposterous theory)

Can you expand the the accidental drowning theory for us? How do you incorporate the deceptions Casey has worked so hard to perpetuate into that scenario?

And what could explain (in an accidental drowning scenario) why she wasted not one moment afterwards to go out partying, get the tattoo & otherwise behave as if she had not one care in the world?

Why would she be willing to stay locked up instead of coming clean about an accident? A reasonable explanation might get her in a bit of trouble, but it would be very small compared to the trouble she is in right now.

TIA

[MalloryCat]

Everything you wrote.. is my thought too! Hope you are having a nice holiday Cat!

Hope you are as well!!:thumbup:

[Mimi428]

Well, here is the time for her Oscar award winning preformance for a jury.

She should say it was an accident, she drowned, if the child was found with her suit, this could be successful. Casey did have a flurry of phone activity to her parents after an inactivity on her phone, I say she slept, Caylee decided to be a big girl and swim, she dies, is in the pool for about an hour and a half, rigor had started, she did call her parents, then another period of inactivity. Now she wasn't calling her parents if she intentionally killed the child. i think she freaked out and handled it bad, probably so bad she does not care if she lives in prison forever because maybe she either feels remorse, or shes afraid of her Mom never having anything to do with her again.

But my position changes on a daily basis, and will change if info released by LE points to murder without a doubt.

jmo

I think the biggest obstacle she would have to overcome if she offers that explanation is her complete absence of any show of anxiety, remorse, worry, concern, guilt, depression, fear, etc. Parents have had their children die to accidental drowning in the pool - but I don't believe I have ever heard of any of them doing even 1/10th the stuff afterwards that Casey has done.

Her phone call to her parent's house after she was first arrested is what is going to put the nails into the coffin (figuratively speaking).

JMO

[bhardy1956]

Yeah-----that tattoo that she got....I wonder how that's workin' for her now. JMO

Yeah Mamie, she sure made a "beautiful life" out of what she has done!

[legalmania]

I personally like to entertain plausible theories. I don't feel the slightest bit compelled to give serious thought to the preposterous theories, but good, alternate theories help sharpen the thinking process, exercise the brain, etc. (and I am certainly not suggesting you have a preposterous theory)

Can you expand the the accidental drowning theory for us? How do you incorporate the deceptions Casey has worked so hard to perpetuate into that scenario?

And what could explain (in an accidental drowning scenario) why she wasted not one moment afterwards to go out partying, get the tattoo & otherwise behave as if she had not one care in the world?

Why would she be willing to stay locked up instead of coming clean about an accident? A reasonable explanation might get her in a bit of trouble, but it would be very small compared to the trouble she is in right now.

TIA

I think maybe Casey was experimenting with drugs. I think she was trying xanax which can be a very powerful sedative when taken in high doses. She passed out and something happened to Caylee. She freaked out and began this odd behavior.

[Amy]

ITA. The context & the combination of many ingredients are what lead us to believe that Casey's ultimate 'recipe' resulted in murder.

One ingredient - referring to Caylee as a 'snothead'.

Then add all the time Casey blatantly showed she was jealous of Caylee - she accused Jesse of loving Caylee more than her, she goes into a snit when Cindy remarks that Caylee likes cheese & bagels & 'neglects' to mention Casey likes them.

And so on & so on.

Bleach in it's own container is ok. Ammonia in it's own container is ok. But once you combine them, you have got a poisonous gas. I look at all the incidences that we know of about things Casey has said & done - & then combine them. I think they add up to murder.

JMO

Like other cases, each thing by itself can be "explained away," altho, in my opinion, some things are "explained" to put the perp in a positive light. But, when you add up ALL the things, that is when the big picture comes to light. Each piece fits like a puzzle, as is said in so many other cases.

[Katt2]

Well, here is the time for her Oscar award winning preformance for a jury.

She should say it was an accident, she drowned, if the child was found with her suit, this could be successful. Casey did have a flurry of phone activity to her parents after an inactivity on her phone, I say she slept, Caylee decided to be a big girl and swim, she dies, is in the pool for about an hour and a half, rigor had started, she did call her parents, then another period of inactivity. Now she wasn't calling her parents if she intentionally killed the child. i think she freaked out and handled it bad, probably so bad she does not care if she lives in prison forever because maybe she either feels remorse, or shes afraid of her Mom never having anything to do with her again.

But my position changes on a daily basis, and will change if info released by LE points to murder without a doubt.

jmo

This comes as close to my theory as possible. I am thinking they went back for a swim after George left and possibly went into the house after swimming with the intention of going back out and they either took a nap or Casey was busy on her cell talking or texting and Caylee went back out by herself.
There would have to be an explanation for how Caylee could have gotten access to the pool. Cindy did question George about this.

[legalmania]

This comes as close to my theory as possible. I am thinking they went back for a swim after George left and possibly went into the house after swimming with the intention of going back out and they either took a nap or Casey was busy on her cell talking or texting and Caylee went back out by herself.
There would have to be an explanation for how Caylee could have gotten access to the pool. Cindy did question George about this.

Do phone records show she was doing that on the 16th?

[Amy]

Click on criminal and then go to names it was filed on 12/24 MISSED A STEP CLICK DETAILS

http://www.myorangeclerk.com/myclerk/Default.aspx?SessionID=176070db-bf6c-4840-ad6a-66e30d945890

It still only has that the exparte has been filed, I can't find further details where it says who filed.

Thanks for bringing the link over.

[MalloryCat]

I think the biggest obstacle she would have to overcome if she offers that explanation is her complete absence of any show of anxiety, remorse, worry, concern, guilt, depression, fear, etc. Parents have had their children die to accidental drowning in the pool - but I don't believe I have ever heard of any of them doing even 1/10th the stuff afterwards that Casey has done.

Her phone call to her parent's house after she was first arrested is what is going to put the nails into the coffin (figuratively speaking).

JMO


Right, but her being in shock will be argued, along with Lazzaros tales of her waking up in nightsweats.
Sometimes the mind protects yourself from a tragedy or a shock and you act pretty abnormal, maybe even worse than normal.

jmo

[legalmania]

It still only has that the ex parte has been filed, I can't find further details where it says who filed.

Do you mean the defense or prosecution or the person who filed?

[Mimi428]

I just wanted to say that this last paragraph should be printed in one of those "Life's Little Lessons" type books. I love this kind of down to earth logical way of looking at things and if you don't mind, with your permission I would like to use this in my daily living ect...

I can point it out to my children, I can think of so many, many areas in life where this applies!

I know former co-workers who are just like ammonia and bleach! Alone they are just fine and even fun to work with but you mix them with another person and they are volitale!

You are welcome to use it in any way you deem fit. Thank you for your very kind words.

I was actually considering using an analogy of baking - how flour, water, salt are the base for a whole lot of things - from glue to salt dough, to gravy. Add a little more of something else & you can get tortillas, biscuits, bread, crackers. Add more ingredients & you get plain cakes & muffins. Add some more & you have all sorts of endless variations. Just depends on what & how much of each you add.

It won't be one thing that convicts Casey. She certainly would not be convicted simply for referring to her child as a snothead. But it is disingenous to pretend that all Casey EVER did was refer to her child, just one time, in that way - & never did another incriminating thing.

JMO

[cuddlyrunner]

Happy Christmas to all of you from this side of the pond.

I've had a wonderful day today, my first with my new husband as a married lady and my teenage boys were wonderful. Even troubled son is showing great signs of coming out the other side when we took over his complete Christmas dinner and presents.

But I have thought of Caylee today because we don't haver any littlies. Noone to have the real magic of Santa. I just keep thinking if Jesse could have been daddy she would have been so happy this Xmas :-(

I've finally given up any thought of it having been an accident today. I want it to have been, I hate the thought of Caylee being frightened of her Mummy in her last minutes. But what finally ended it for me today (and I've thought sometimes that it must have been an accident because of the flurry of phone calls) was the lack of grieving. She went right out to Blockbuster and hired videos.

I've had three sons and at one time was so desperate for a daughter I'd have tried anything to conceive one! But I was lucky and had babies. There are so many wonderful people out there that need to become the wonderful parents that they could be who would have taken Caylee in a heartbeat, I know I would have. How cruel that Mommy chose to end her life rather than enhance it by giving her to people who would have idolised her :-(

[martha]

I really don;t think it is bothering casey to be with out caylee for christmas it is bothering casey to be in jail is all. now c and g must be having an awful day at home by themself I can;t emagin what it would be like for me. I think if anyone ever thought about taking their own life today would be the day. They have a very nice home but if it was me I think I would have to be some where elce today. If the truley believed casey did not do this then I think they would have wanted to be with her the day they told her about finding caylee;s body. My son lost his wife nearly 2 years ago and we went to his house for breakfast this morning and it was so sad even now for him and his son and daughter to be there with out their mother. I know if I were c and g I would never get over what has happened to caylee. I know she is ok and in a better place than we or. She is happy and will be happy from now on but that does not keep us from missing her here on earth and I am sure c and g have a hole in their heart that can never be filled. Now they face hearing and finding out what really happened to caylee and to find out if casey did it. Casey is their daughter andd they love her no matter what she has done. I know we or sup.to forgive but it would be really hard if my daughter had killed my gb./ jmho Merry Christmas to all you good poster. Love you all. have a good day.

[Amy]

Do you mean the defense or prosecution or the person who filed?

On the case file site, it has "12/24/2008 ex parte motion for special master." There are no links to click on, there is no information as to WHO filed the motion, or the purpose for it being filed, just that this motion was filed.

[legalmania]

I will be playing Christmas tunes all day in memory of Caylee.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: The Who - Christmas (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/the_who/track/christmas)

[legalmania]

On the case file site, it has "12/24/2008 ex parte motion for special master." There are no links to click on, there is no information as to WHO filed the motion, or the purpose for it being filed, just that this motion was filed.

I believe the defense filed it since it is under Caseys docket no.

[Januarybaby]

I dont really know if this link is allowed and the mod can erase if it has to be but doesnt this sound all too familiar?
Gave me the creeps.

http://cbs4.com/local/riley.buchness.child.2.894801.html

[legalmania]

Happy Christmas to all of you from this side of the pond.

I've had a wonderful day today, my first with my new husband as a married lady and my teenage boys were wonderful. Even troubled son is showing great signs of coming out the other side when we took over his complete Christmas dinner and presents.

But I have thought of Caylee today because we don't haver any littlies. Noone to have the real magic of Santa. I just keep thinking if Jesse could have been daddy she would have been so happy this Xmas :-(

I've finally given up any thought of it having been an accident today. I want it to have been, I hate the thought of Caylee being frightened of her Mummy in her last minutes. But what finally ended it for me today (and I've thought sometimes that it must have been an accident because of the flurry of phone calls) was the lack of grieving. She went right out to Blockbuster and hired videos.

I've had three sons and at one time was so desperate for a daughter I'd have tried anything to conceive one! But I was lucky and had babies. There are so many wonderful people out there that need to become the wonderful parents that they could be who would have taken Caylee in a heartbeat, I know I would have. How cruel that Mommy chose to end her life rather than enhance it by giving her to people who would have idolised her :-(

Congrats on the marriage and kids are a gift.

[legalmania]

I dont really know if this link is allowed and the mod can erase if it has to be but doesnt this sound all too familiar?
Gave me the creeps.

http://cbs4.com/local/riley.buchness.child.2.894801.html

At least they reported the kid missing from day one. It's waiting a month to solve the crime herself that bothers me.

[Amy]

I believe the defense filed it since it is under Caseys docket no.

When I first went to the site, using the date and case number, the list of people was Yuri, Baez, a lawyer named Kersomething or other, then Casey. When you click on details for each of them, the very same info comes up, with the last entry being that of the ex parte. I wonder what all that mean? Yuri isn't on the defense, and he is the only one listed from the prosecution side. The lawyer Kersomething or other isn't even still associated w/the case, I don't think.

Besides, if they were listing ALL hearings related to her case, that would be those brought by the courts, by the prosecution and the defense, I would think. I guess this is just something we are going to get to speculate on for a few days. Don't suppose the courts will be open tomorrow to get any further info. Will have to wait til Monday, or, God forbid, after the new year!!!!

[legalmania]

When I first went to the site, using the date and case number, the list of people was Yuri, Baez, a lawyer named Kersomething or other, then Casey. When you click on details for each of them, the very same info comes up, with the last entry being that of the ex parte. I wonder what all that mean? Yuri isn't on the defense, and he is the only one listed from the prosecution side. The lawyer Kersomething or other isn't even still associated w/the case, I don't think.

Besides, if they were listing ALL hearings related to her case, that would be those brought by the courts, by the prosecution and the defense, I would think. I guess this is just something we are going to get to speculate on for a few days. Don't suppose the courts will be open tomorrow to get any further info. Will have to wait til Monday, or, God forbid, after the new year!!!!

They all had the same motion for a special master or just ex parte?

[Katt2]

Do phone records show she was doing that on the 16th?

I honestly don't remember what her phone activity was prior to that flurry of calls she made without going back and looking. She could also have been on the computer. I guess I just want it to be anything other than she intentionally killed that sweet little girl. It won't alter the fact that Casey is responsible for Caylee's death but it is a little easier to bear thinking it wasn't intentional.

[Amy]

At least they reported the kid missing from day one. It's waiting a month to solve the crime herself that bothers me.

Exactly. It still bothers me that George, in I think the GMA, or more probably the LKL interview, he is whining about the Amber Alert. He was saying, with his background in law enforcement, he was expecting @ any time to hear of the Amber Alert being sounded.

Well, GEORGE, when YOU were in law enforcement in the 80's there WAS NO AMBER ALERT, so, your law enforcement background did NOT include designating which children would be put on an Amber Alert. AND, IF you had kept up w/what is going on in law enforcement, you would NOT have made such an inane remark, because you would have known that an AMBER ALERT is not issued A WHOLE MONTH after a child is missing. The only information available is descriptions of the child, the abductor, the vehicle @ the time of the incident, and ALL appearances could be changed in a month, including the vehicle!!! And the part about needing a description of the abductor? Well, how long AFTER LE knew about the incident did YOUR DAUGHTER give LE a description of the nanny?

Of course, I think this is just one of the many little things they are trying to use to accuse LE of not properly investigating the case, smoke and mirrors to take the attention of part of the puzzle that point directly to their daughter.

[eastside joe]

But again.. if there was any good in her.. how could she allow her parents to be put through this nightmare?

I don't know.

Following this case from the get go, I see many potential motivators.

However, I believe Casey murdered Caylee for one reason and one reason only, to spite Cindy after their argument on June 15th. Cindy threatened to kick Casey out of the house and gain custody of Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee's body to be found. That is why Caylee was dumped in that location and the body was found in a garbage bag with duct tape. It is why Casey stated she felt Caylee was close to home. If the body was never recovered Cindy would not feel the total and complete pain that Casey intended. In Casey's mind the body of Caylee had to be found for Casey to gain her revenge on Cindy. No surprise to me that there have been no jail visits. And it will be no surprise after she is convicted when there also are no jail visits from Cindy. The first ever jailhouse phone call from Casey to the Anthony household is very, very revealing. These two people truly did not get along. IMO

[Amy]

They all had the same motion for a special master or just ex parte?

The list of all motions filed, from the beginning to 12/24--the date, then all have an A in the next column, and then the motion. The list is the same when you click details for each name (Yuri, Baez, Ker, Casey)

And, below that is the details for financial stuff relating to Casey. That also is part of the page for each of these names when details is clicked.

Instead of using "names" Look in the right upper hand for case, use 2008 CF 0015606 O (That last being the letter O, the others are all the number zero.) When you do that, all four names come up. Then, clicking on "details" for each name brings up the very same page for all of them.

[eastside joe]

Maybe.. but that is some kind of powerful spite, to be willing to lose your freedom completely and forever.. to spite Mom.

Remember how George descibed Casey to the police. She never lived more than ten minutes ahead at any time.

[legalmania]

Following this case from the get go, I see many potential motivators.

However, I believe Casey murdered Caylee for one reason and one reason only, to spite Cindy after their argument on June 15th. Cindy threatened to kick Casey out of the house and gain custody of Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee's body to be found. That is why Caylee was dumped in that location and the body was found in a garbage bag with duct tape. It is why Casey stated she felt Caylee was close to home. If the body was never recovered Cindy would not feel the total and complete pain that Casey intended. In Casey's mind the body of Caylee had to be found for Casey to gain her revenge on Cindy. No surprise to me that there have been no jail visits. And it will be no surprise after she is convicted when there also are no jail visits from Cindy. The first ever jailhouse phone call from Casey to the Anthony household is very, very revealing. These two people truly did not get along. IMO

So you think that she waited until a memorable date so Cindy would have that Fathers day etched in her mind forever? Although I think any day would stick out in the normal thinking mind.

[WillowInFlight]

Following this case from the get go, I see many potential motivators.

However, I believe Casey murdered Caylee for one reason and one reason only, to spite Cindy after their argument on June 15th. Cindy threatened to kick Casey out of the house and gain custody of Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee's body to be found. That is why Caylee was dumped in that location and the body was found in a garbage bag with duct tape. It is why Casey stated she felt Caylee was close to home. If the body was never recovered Cindy would not feel the total and complete pain that Casey intended. In Casey's mind the body of Caylee had to be found for Casey to gain her revenge on Cindy. No surprise to me that there have been no jail visits. And it will be no surprise after she is convicted when there also are no jail visits from Cindy. The first ever jailhouse phone call from Casey to the Anthony household is very, very revealing. These two people truly did not get along. IMO

The thing that would make me think it was an accident is the flurry of phone calls, it looked to me like she was desperate to get in touch with somebody. But then I think of all her other actions and I'm back to it being intentional. Didn't Casey say at one point "If Caylee is never found guess who spends her life in prison" or something like that?

[Lavenia]

Hi.. You see, I think an accident is much more plausible than intentional murder. I don't believe for a minute it was planned, because a plan would include disposal of the body, somewhere besides the neighborhood swamp. Its possible that in a moment of rage, she did something that resulted in Caylee's unintentional death.

How can someone explain all she did afterwards? Is she the evil person people believe she is? I don't know. But the pain she has caused her parents, is getting right up there in the evil category.

If one is to believe Casey is not 100 percent pure evil, and Caylee did in fact drown accidentally.. followed by extreme poor judgement, which continue to snowball to a point that she just completely blocked it from her mind. And if all the pictures were in fact taken after Caylee's death, it would appear that Caylee wasn't on her mind. From there, each of her actions to follow, seem completely out of control, and without logic. If she was hiding a murder, would she so brazenly forged those checks? She knows stores and banks have cameras. Was she in some unconscious way.. doing things that she knew would eventually result in her getting caught. She didn't try to flee, its as if she continued acting in the worse possible way, to assure being caught.

And even when confronted by LE.. she continued to tell these nonsense stories, that no one could possibly believe. Is that because she just can't bring herself to say what happened, so she says everything and anything other than an explanation.

But again.. if there was any good in her.. how could she allow her parents to be put through this nightmare?

I don't know.

It seems to me like if you had a break with reality due to some traumatic event that causes a repression of events, that is more of a passive "I don't know what happened." You are not aware enough of the events yourself to know to cover them up which takes an *active* knowledge of the event, IMO. I just don't think she was stumbling around after the event. (psychologically speaking) She showed cunning and deceit, imo.

[MalloryCat]

Following this case from the get go, I see many potential motivators.

However, I believe Casey murdered Caylee for one reason and one reason only, to spite Cindy after their argument on June 15th. Cindy threatened to kick Casey out of the house and gain custody of Caylee. Casey wanted Caylee's body to be found. That is why Caylee was dumped in that location and the body was found in a garbage bag with duct tape. It is why Casey stated she felt Caylee was close to home. If the body was never recovered Cindy would not feel the total and complete pain that Casey intended. In Casey's mind the body of Caylee had to be found for Casey to gain her revenge on Cindy. No surprise to me that there have been no jail visits. And it will be no surprise after she is convicted when there also are no jail visits from Cindy. The first ever jailhouse phone call from Casey to the Anthony household is very, very revealing. These two people truly did not get along. IMO

Well, it could have been bad timing, and if she was recovered with her suit, the defense can argue she drowned and casey handled it bad because of the fight and having already let her mother down big time, this was unforgivable, even at the universal interview the detective is like, you care more about what your mother thinks?

I think Casey was a huge waste and disappointment to her mother, rightfully so, and this was her massive mess up, and she would rather go through all this then fess up.

jmo

[Amy]

Maybe they already had it and didn't tell us. Otherwise one possible guess would be to wait until after the holidays.

I think the lawyer said it would be after the holidays (does that mean after Christmas, or after the New Year, which IS part of the "holidays?") And, I did see on one of the shows where Nicolle? the producer for NG that is "on the scene" says that the Anthony's (one would assume thru their lawyer) insist they are not asking for donations for the funeral, and that there will be a private funeral, and a public memorial service.

That is not to say whether or not they have already decided on a date.

[legalmania]

The list of all motions filed, from the beginning to 12/24--the date, then all have an A in the next column, and then the motion. The list is the same when you click details for each name (Yuri, Baez, Ker, Casey)

And, below that is the details for financial stuff relating to Casey. That also is part of the page for each of these names when details is clicked.

Instead of using "names" Look in the right upper hand for case, use 2008 CF 0015606 O (That last being the letter O, the others are all the number zero.) When you do that, all four names come up. Then, clicking on "details" for each name brings up the very same page for all of them.

Dear sweet Amy putting me to work on Christmas bless your heart.O.k. Yuri is an officer of the court the other two are attorneys for Casey.

[PuffDragon]

On hubby's diet, too. Low-carb and all.

I can't remember; was 1 Tree Hill on one of the computer searches we got in the dump?

Good too.
I thought I went through that whole dump and I don't remember that at all. 'Course, you get pretty bleary reading all that stuff, who knows what I could have missed?

[Katt2]

If Casey had intentionally harmed Caylee, she would have begun the verbal coverup right away with Cindy/Lee/George. Instead, Casey just acted like if she ignored the problem it would go away.


JMO

That's rather the way I look at it. She would have had her plan in action and would have started the kidnapping story right from the start.

[legalmania]

Good too.
I thought I went through that whole dump and I don't remember that at all. 'Course, you get pretty bleary reading all that stuff, who knows what I could have missed?

Speaking of missed I had a question about three pages back. Does anybody know if Roy the meter reader took pictures to document his findings?

[rbrnmw]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

Boo Hoo I am so sad for her. NOT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Amy]

Speaking of missed I had a question about three pages back. Does anybody know if Roy the meter reader took pictures to document his findings?

Good question, but if he has, I don't think he or his lawyer have divulged that information, unless they might have, to LE. I guess we might have to wait until trial to see whether or not he did. I don't know if meter readers carry cameras around, or if he had a cell phone that takes pics (not all of us have phones that take pics.) Or, if it even occured to him to do so.

[courtsinsession]

Hi.. You see, I think an accident is much more plausible than intentional murder. I don't believe for a minute it was planned, because a plan would include disposal of the body, somewhere besides the neighborhood swamp. Its possible that in a moment of rage, she did something that resulted in Caylee's unintentional death.

How can someone explain all she did afterwards? Is she the evil person people believe she is? I don't know. But the pain she has caused her parents, is getting right up there in the evil category.

If one is to believe Casey is not 100 percent pure evil, and Caylee did in fact drown accidentally.. followed by extreme poor judgement, which continue to snowball to a point that she just completely blocked it from her mind. And if all the pictures were in fact taken after Caylee's death, it would appear that Caylee wasn't on her mind. From there, each of her actions to follow, seem completely out of control, and without logic. If she was hiding a murder, would she so brazenly forged those checks? She knows stores and banks have cameras. Was she in some unconscious way.. doing things that she knew would eventually result in her getting caught. She didn't try to flee, its as if she continued acting in the worse possible way, to assure being caught.

And even when confronted by LE.. she continued to tell these nonsense stories, that no one could possibly believe. Is that because she just can't bring herself to say what happened, so she says everything and anything other than an explanation.

But again.. if there was any good in her.. how could she allow her parents to be put through this nightmare?

I don't know.

there is no good in her so she could allow her parents and anyone else to be put through this nightmare; if you understand sociopathy you understand this. I just watched Investigative ID and they had the story of Diane Downs who attempted to kill her three children and did kill one of them; unfortunately for her Christy lived and testified against her. The Profiler, Candace DeLong, said that people like this, narcisstic types with sociopathic features will do whatever they have to do to remove obstacles in their way to get what they want; Diane's boyfriend didn't like kids so Diane tried to get rid of them. Casey found that Caylee was cramping her style so she got rid of her. The reason she cashed those check and did all that shopping caught on camera was because she was arrogant. I don't know why people want to give her the beneifit of the doubt or think she has remorse; SHE HAS NO REMORSE; she is only sorry she got caught. Oh, and in my opinion the reason she dumped Caylee's body so close to home was because she was in a panic and felt she had to dump the body quickly; I don't believe that was her intention.

[MalloryCat]

there is no good in her so she could allow her parents and anyone else to be put through this nightmare; if you understand sociopathy you understand this. I just watched Investigative ID and they had the story of Diane Downs who attempted to kill her three children and did kill one of them; unfortunately for her Christy lived and testified against her. The Profiler, Candace DeLong, said that people like this, narcisstic types with sociopathic features will do whatever they have to do to remove obstacles in their way to get what they want; Diane's boyfriend didn't like kids so Diane tried to get rid of them. Casey found that Caylee was cramping her style so she got rid of her. The reason she cashed those check and did all that shopping caught on camera was because she was arrogant. I don't know why people want to give her the beneifit of the doubt or think she has remorse; SHE HAS NO REMORSE; she is only sorry she got caught. Oh, and in my opinion the reason she dumped Caylee's body so close to home was because she was in a panic and felt she had to dump the body quickly; I don't believe that was her intention.

She is only sorry she got caught, so did she place the body in a location where it could be found so she would be caught? If she killed the girl and it was brutal, no way is she dumping her to to be found, no way. Caylee would have been in a landfill.

jmo

[Katprint]

It still only has that the exparte has been filed, I can't find further details where it says who filed.

Thanks for bringing the link over.
Do you mean the defense or prosecution or the person who filed?
I can't even find the part where it says that an ex parte motion was filed on December 24. The criminal case "Details" I found indicate that the next thing to happen will be the trial.

Nevertheless, I would point out that the prosecution has not been the party filing the latest series of "emergency" motions. The odds are good that any pending "ex parte" motion (which is legalese for a motion filed without the usual required notice to the other side due to the urgency) that was filed on Christmas Eve would have been filed by the defense, not by the prosecution.

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[PuffDragon]

Maybe.. but that is some kind of powerful spite, to be willing to lose your freedom completely and forever.. to spite Mom.

ps.. if it was for spite, wouldn't claiming a kidnapping sorta defeat the purpose?
<Emphasis mine>

Very good point!

[legalmania]

Good question, but if he has, I don't think he or his lawyer have divulged that information, unless they might have, to LE. I guess we might have to wait until trial to see whether or not he did. I don't know if meter readers carry cameras around, or if he had a cell phone that takes pics (not all of us have phones that take pics.) Or, if it even occured to him to do so.

He did say there was more it would really help the prosecution, because you know the defense will come up with witnesses who will say that the bag was not there. I don't know how well traveled that road is.

[PuffDragon]

So you think that she waited until a memorable date so Cindy would have that Fathers day etched in her mind forever? Although I think any day would stick out in the normal thinking mind.

Apparently it wasn't memorable enough, none of them remembered it. Not etched, not even scratched.

[legalmania]

Apparently it wasn't memorable enough, none of them remembered it. Not etched, not even scratched.

I don't know Cindy seemed pretty animate about stressing that the last day she saw Caylee was the 15th. She even went on to change the date from the 9th I think.

[Katprint]

I believe the defense filed it since it is under Caseys docket no.
Any motion filed concerning Casey's criminal case would be filed under Casey's docket number, regardless of whether it was filed by the prosecution, the defense, or some third party (a witness seeking a protective order, the media seeking a disclosure order, etc.)

The docket number is merely the number the court has assigned to the case, for ease of tracking the appropriate file(s).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

[legalmania]

Any motion filed concerning Casey's criminal case would be filed under Casey's docket number, regardless of whether it was filed by the prosecution, the defense, or some third party (a witness seeking a protective order, the media seeking a disclosure order, etc.)

The docket number is merely the number the court has assigned to the case, for ease of tracking the appropriate file(s).

Katprint
Always only my own opinions

Yes I got brain block. Now I remember going into the system and seeing what had been filed and all motions come up.

[PuffDragon]

there is no good in her so she could allow her parents and anyone else to be put through this nightmare; if you understand sociopathy you understand this.

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I don't know why people want to give her the beneifit of the doubt or think she has remorse; SHE HAS NO REMORSE; she is only sorry she got caught. .

I totally agree. I think people are having a hard time with this because they can't imagine anyone behaving like Casey. They look at it from their own perspectives and need to make up reasons so they can reconcile that behavior with their own moral codes. It's very hard to imagine someone with no emotions except for a need for self-gratification. Some people just can't get a handle on that kind of emptiness.

[breezie]

I don't know Cindy seemed pretty animate about stressing that the last day she saw Caylee was the 15th. She even went on to change the date from the 9th I think.

Only after LE showed her evidence of the 15th. She was pretty adamant about the 9th until then. Even put that on the first flyers, iirc.

[WillowInFlight]

I totally agree. I think people are having a hard time with this because they can't imagine anyone behaving like Casey. They look at it from their own perspectives and need to make up reasons so they can reconcile that behavior with their own moral codes. It's very hard to imagine someone with no emotions except for a need for self-gratification. Some people just can't get a handle on that kind of emptiness.

ITA, and empty is a perfect word to describe Casey. Plus I think we are having a hard time trying to figure out what made her like that.

[Lavenia]

Maybe.. but that is some kind of powerful spite, to be willing to lose your freedom completely and forever.. to spite Mom.

ps.. if it was for spite, wouldn't claiming a kidnapping sorta defeat the purpose?

I certainly can't imagine this would have been her solitary purpose. I think she (Caylee) interfered with her love life, her image as the free-wheeling career girl on the town, strong resentments against Cindy, (primarily), and Caylee was just getting more independent and that's difficult for many healthy mother/child relationships.

[legalmania]

Only after LE showed her evidence of the 15th. She was pretty adamant about the 9th until then. Even put that on the first flyers, iirc.

Ya, that's weird. More lies, not a very smart thing to do lie to L.E.

[PuffDragon]

I don't know Cindy seemed pretty animate about stressing that the last day she saw Caylee was the 15th. She even went on to change the date from the 9th I think.

She had to be reminded.

[WillowInFlight]

I've missed a lot on this forum. Has post partum depression been discussed? I know it was almost 3 years since Caylee was born (and died) but some of those who knew her have talked about how much Casey changed. (She was a great mother, etc.) Do you think this excuse will be used by the defense?

I don't think that excuse will fly. Casey sure didn't seem depressed to me.

[legalmania]

I've missed a lot on this forum. Has post partum depression been discussed? I know it was almost 3 years since Caylee was born (and died) but some of those who knew her have talked about how much Casey changed. (She was a great mother, etc.) Do you think this excuse will be used by the defense?

You know I haven't done my homework on PPD. I know it's been discussed I just have no idea at what age does it stop or does it lead to something else. Did Casey have signs at all?

[PuffDragon]

ITA, and empty is a perfect word to describe Casey. Plus I think we are having a hard time trying to figure out what made her like that.

<EM>

Not that it matters. Nobody's going to be able to take a lesson from it to keep someone else from becoming a person like Casey.

[Lavenia]

I totally agree. I think people are having a hard time with this because they can't imagine anyone behaving like Casey. They look at it from their own perspectives and need to make up reasons so they can reconcile that behavior with their own moral codes. It's very hard to imagine someone with no emotions except for a need for self-gratification. Some people just can't get a handle on that kind of emptiness.

Make that another in complete agreement.

I've been around this type a lot (professionally). It took me a long time to really believe it and break through that bubble that made me finally "get it". I still find it easy to be sucked in if I don't stay really analytical with this type.

Anyone who would understand this easily, AAMOF, without having studied this or somehow been "exposed" to this type, would be a little scary to me because I don't think we "should" know what this is like if we're healthy, IMO.

[legalmania]

IMO- she tried to forget about the 15th as much as she could because I believe the fight that night started everything. Made sense to her at the time because she had not graspe the fact of how serious this was all going to become.

Would you agree with me that Casey had a love hate relationship with her mother and that this was not the first fight?

[Lavenia]

<EM>

Not that it matters. Nobody's going to be able to take a lesson from it to keep someone else from becoming a person like Casey.

No but you can learn a lesson and protect yourself FROM a Casey!

[legalmania]

Does anyone know off hand what the side effects are from withdrawal from xanax?

[PuffDragon]

I've missed a lot on this forum. Has post partum depression been discussed? I know it was almost 3 years since Caylee was born (and died) but some of those who knew her have talked about how much Casey changed. (She was a great mother, etc.) Do you think this excuse will be used by the defense?

Yes, that theory was thrown around for a bit, but it just doesn't fit in any way, shape, or form. The defense would never be able to find anyone to say they saw something wrong with her behavior after Caylee was born, and in fact there were some who thought she was a wonderful mother. Of course, these were young adults with little reference points for that opinion.

[Lavenia]

Yes, that theory was thrown around for a bit, but it just doesn't fit in any way, shape, or form. The defense would never be able to find anyone to say they saw something wrong with her behavior after Caylee was born, and in fact there were some who thought she was a wonderful mother. Of course, these were young adults with little reference points for that opinion.

No. Way. Jose. I buy this defense least of all.

There is a lot of paper on this but here is a quick, simple explanation:

http://www.webmd.com/depression/postpartum-depression/postpartum-depression-symptoms

[legalmania]

I see alot of resemblance in the relationship that Casey and Cindy have that i had with my own mother. No one else in the family could make me feel as bad about myself as my mother did. We did not have what my daughter and I have and it was a truly miserable situation. IMO- i do not have a mental illness (I have been tested) but I can see where if I had been a child with one, she would have had the complete ability to push me very far. In every conversation that i hear between Casey and Cindy - there is nothing but hatred there. It is very apparent to me. It often, because I am adopted, make me wonder if casey is a child from a previous relationship or such. There is no motherly bond between them.

So could Caseys aggression come from mom and dad and some kind of terrible fight for a long time when she was a child?

[impartial]

I'm not a mental health professional but I think it could be argued that she showed signs of bipolarism or other psychotic episodes. Just because she didn't SEEM depressed isn't necessarily a sign of good mental health. I think the fact that she tried to appear on top of her game all the time implies that she knew something wasn't right. We've all pretty much agreed that something is wrong with this girl. I'm just wondering if ppd will be linked to her "problem".


You hit the nail on the head there.

IMO

[WillowInFlight]

I'm not a mental health professional but I think it could be argued that she showed signs of bipolarism or other psychotic episodes. Just because she didn't SEEM depressed isn't necessarily a sign of good mental health. I think the fact that she tried to appear on top of her game all the time implies that she knew something wasn't right. We've all pretty much agreed that something is wrong with this girl. I'm just wondering if ppd will be linked to her "problem".

In order to use that defense they are going to have to admit she killed Caylee, do you think that is going to happen?

[legalmania]

I just did a search on the side effects on Alprazolam and look at this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Xanax#Side_effects

[CC I See]

Casey Anthony will spend Christmas alone (http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news/local/orange/orl-casey2508dec25,0,6625021.story)

..... and I hope the Jailer who brings her meal hums Your Are My Sunshine over and over while she eats.

[PuffDragon]

No but you can learn a lesson and protect yourself FROM a Casey!

Welll....... I think it's a good idea to learn the way a sociopath operates so you can protect yourself from him, but how would make the decision whether or not he was a sociopath unless you had grown up with him? And if he seemed to come from a relatively normal family, would that then divert you from that diagnosis? Most of Casey's friends took her at face value because they only knew her from her own stories, which we now know to have been....uh.... variations of the truth. What could they have done to protect themselves with what they knew of her? Where could they have gotten the knowledge?

[Jester]

ITA, and empty is a perfect word to describe Casey. Plus I think we are having a hard time trying to figure out what made her like that.

This is an interesting article on filicide.

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/33/4/505

"We contend that any exploration of the patients’ "premorbid intrapsychic...personality" must be informed by a psychodynamic understanding of childhood traumas or losses that resulted in object relations deficits, inadequate ego defenses, or unresolved oedipal strivings. It is the losses, frustrations, or emotional privation and the resultant developmental failures in infancy and childhood that give rise to precocious and overwhelming frustration and that cannot be resolved by the nascent ego of the individual. Frustration that cannot be mitigated (by the primary parent) becomes anger, and anger that cannot be resolved becomes rage, and rage toward the abandoning or frustrating object (the primary parent) is kept repressed and out of conscious awareness. From this repressed rage come fantasies and fears of destroying the object that must themselves be repressed. From a psychodynamic perspective, it is this repressed rage that is subsequently unrepressed until disinhibited by depression or psychosis and acted out through the murder or attempted murder of the child.16"

[Amy]

I don't know Cindy seemed pretty animate about stressing that the last day she saw Caylee was the 15th. She even went on to change the date from the 9th I think.

One poster (several weeks ago, maybe) mentioned that the fact tht it was Father's Day was what stood out in Cindy's mind, and that poster did not find it odd @ all that Cindy said the 9th, as that poster said s/he had also tho't Father's Day was the 9th. So, perhaps it was not the actual DATE that stood out in Cindy's mind, but WHAT the day WAS (Father's Day.)

[sunstar]

I see alot of resemblance in the relationship that Casey and Cindy have that i had with my own mother. No one else in the family could make me feel as bad about myself as my mother did. We did not have what my daughter and I have and it was a truly miserable situation. IMO- i do not have a mental illness (I have been tested) but I can see where if I had been a child with one, she would have had the complete ability to push me very far. In every conversation that i hear between Casey and Cindy - there is nothing but hatred there. It is very apparent to me. It often, because I am adopted, make me wonder if casey is a child from a previous relationship or such. There is no motherly bond between them.

Merry Christmas! :) I've been reading through the posts and when I saw yours felt I needed to log in and comment. I completely understand what you're saying here, knowing somebody who always felt she didn't live up to her mother's expectations of perfection. Her mother always said she loved her more than anything in the world but the slightest 'screw up' by the daughter was played over and over by the mother. So as a teenager and adult, the daughter resorted to withholding information from the mother or outright lying about anything that would make her mother mad at her, since she was trying to live up to that perfect image mother had of her. The dad in the family was a lot like what George seems to be, and the daughter was closer to him because he excused the daughter's mistakes. I have no idea if the same dynamics occurred in the Anthony's household, but I do see some similarities. MOO

[Jester]

My wonder is who she truly hated- was it cindy or Caylee?

I think she hated Cindy because of childhood disappointments. She repressed her anger towards Cindy until the birth of Caylee, and then transferred her resentment to Caylee. I think Casey perceived the attention lavished on Caylee as taking something away from her, increasing the resentment until she planned her revenge against Cindy, and acted it out on Caylee.

[brodysho]

She is only sorry she got caught, so did she place the body in a location where it could be found so she would be caught? If she killed the girl and it was brutal, no way is she dumping her to to be found, no way. Caylee would have been in a landfill.

jmo

I think she regrets not putting her in a landfill, because now she knows it would've never been found... hence the motions asking that she search privately while she was gallivanting around on bond. Please..:rolleyes:
She would've moved her if she had the chance. I think LE dropped the ball when they arrested her right away instead of surveying her.

[Amy]

I've missed a lot on this forum. Has post partum depression been discussed? I know it was almost 3 years since Caylee was born (and died) but some of those who knew her have talked about how much Casey changed. (She was a great mother, etc.) Do you think this excuse will be used by the defense?

Post partum manifests itself near the time of birth. I would think that the defense would be laughed out of the court room if they tried to say PPD was a factor almost 3 years after the birth. Kind of like the doctor out west who actually said out loud to a jury that one could conclude when a baby's due date was by knowing when the baby shower was!!! ????? :tongueside:

[Jester]

One poster (several weeks ago, maybe) mentioned that the fact tht it was Father's Day was what stood out in Cindy's mind, and that poster did not find it odd @ all that Cindy said the 9th, as that poster said s/he had also tho't Father's Day was the 9th. So, perhaps it was not the actual DATE that stood out in Cindy's mind, but WHAT the day WAS (Father's Day.)

Doesn't it strike you as odd though, that the date Caylee was last seen is extremely important, yet Cindy didn't bother to look at the calendar to verify the date of Father's Day? It's marked on just about every calendar, so it does seem really odd that she got the date wrong by 6 days.

[sunstar]

IMO- yes. i would expect that Cindy resented Casey from the time she was little. She strikes me as a "daddy's girl" -

And maybe the closer Cindy was to Caylee the more Casey resented both of them? :shrug: MOO

[legalmania]

This is an interesting article on filicide.

http://www.jaapl.org/cgi/content/full/33/4/505

"We contend that any exploration of the patients’ "premorbid intrapsychic...personality" must be informed by a psychodynamic understanding of childhood traumas or losses that resulted in object relations deficits, inadequate ego defenses, or unresolved oedipal strivings. It is the losses, frustrations, or emotional privation and the resultant developmental failures in infancy and childhood that give rise to precocious and overwhelming frustration and that cannot be resolved by the nascent ego of the individual. Frustration that cannot be mitigated (by the primary parent) becomes anger, and anger that cannot be resolved becomes rage, and rage toward the abandoning or frustrating object (the primary parent) is kept repressed and out of conscious awareness. From this repressed rage come fantasies and fears of destroying the object that must themselves be repressed. From a psychodynamic perspective, it is this repressed rage that is subsequently unrepressed until disinhibited by depression or psychosis and acted out through the murder or attempted murder of the child.16"

Would these symptoms be consistent when a child kills a parent?

[Jester]

Who knows? I would like to think that her attorneys will convince her that guilt is her best option. There is NOTHING to support the "nanny did it" theory. Nothing. I believe that if she goes with the NDI, she will lose and her attorneys know it. There is plenty of evidence to support a mentally ill defense.

Casey lives in a world of lies, something she's gotten away with for years, so believable or not doesn't factor into the story she tells. She's used to talking in circles until people give up, rather than saying "you got me."

[legalmania]

I am playing Christmas tunes all day for the memory of Caylee.

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Now playing on Windows Media Player: Smokey Robinson & The Miracles - Santa Clause Is Coming to Town (http://www.foxytunes.com/artist/smokey_robinson_the_miracles/track/santa_clause_is_coming_to_town)

[Amy]

You know I haven't done my homework on PPD. I know it's been discussed I just have no idea at what age does it stop or does it lead to something else. Did Casey have signs at all?

I don't claim to be an expert in PPD, but of all the cases I have read about, known about, PPD starts quite early after the birth. In fact, our home instructions to moms include the part about "baby blues" being perfectly normal, but if they continue beyond 2 weeks, to see her doctor.

PPD is DEPRESSION. When one is depressed, it gets harder and harder to get up, get dressed, take a shower, let alone deal with the demands of a baby. Even depression not related to a birth, it is hard to be motivated to do much of ANYTHING. People have to really push themselves to do normal activities of daily living, to just get to work. I can see where one who is depressed might force herself to get gussied up for a party that has particular importance, I just can't see that someone so depressed that she would kill her child could muster enough energy to "force" herself to go to all those parties.

I don't think depression was her problem, especially not post partum depression.

PPP--post partum PSYCHOSIS is what is usually related to a "break" where one would kill one's own child. But, one does have to have PPD to get to that stage.

[CC I See]

And maybe the closer Cindy was to Caylee the more Casey resented both of them? :shrug: MOO

She might not have hated either one, her mother or Caylee. She might be like the kind of person that takes their dog to the pound when they get tired of it or it becomes too much trouble to care for. Caylee was just in the way so she got rid of her. She didn't want her any longer... she wanted to party and she was in the way.

[breezie]

One poster (several weeks ago, maybe) mentioned that the fact tht it was Father's Day was what stood out in Cindy's mind, and that poster did not find it odd @ all that Cindy said the 9th, as that poster said s/he had also tho't Father's Day was the 9th. So, perhaps it was not the actual DATE that stood out in Cindy's mind, but WHAT the day WAS (Father's Day.)

IF she had said "Father's Day", then a quick check of a calendar would have cleared up the date and LE would not have had to look through the photos on the PC to find the date. I don't believe she said "Father's Day" early on.

[sunstar]

IA- IMO for a long time Casey has been reminded of what a failure she was and parenting only increased that criticism. Caylee was the new princess (and should have been) and it made Casey look even worse. The only place she was not being criticized was in the clubs and her with her friends but bringing a child into the picture was off limits as well.

I've always wondered about the argument on the night of 6/15, but what you've posted today sure makes me wonder what was said. If Cindy knows she pushed Casey over the edge it could explain why she's seemed to cover up for her since those initial calls to 911 after the car was retrieved. MOO

[Lavenia]

Welll....... I think it's a good idea to learn the way a sociopath operates so you can protect yourself from him, but how would make the decision whether or not he was a sociopath unless you had grown up with him? And if he seemed to come from a relatively normal family, would that then divert you from that diagnosis? Most of Casey's friends took her at face value because they only knew her from her own stories, which we now know to have been....uh.... variations of the truth. What could they have done to protect themselves with what they knew of her? Where could they have gotten the knowledge?


I don't think you have to know much about a sociopathy to help protect yourself so much as to learn they ARE out there and they DO look like me and we NEVER know all that we think we know about an individual.

I'm not talking about many people probably, but I always had (and still struggle with) this idea that ALL people are basically good and most violent crime is the result of "mistakes" and bad judgment of good people. I thought people were honest and I believed almost everything anyone told me. I didn't realize there were people out there who are very much like machines or robots that *seem* to simulate normal behavior, but will literally rape/rob/kill you and not feel ONE THING as much as you can't wrap your mind around the concept (think Scott Peterson).

I felt I was too naive for my own physical and emotional safety and have become much more discerning regarding a persons veracity. You can't be paranoid and suspicious, but you have to be aware. You can't know what to look for if you don't know they even exist and how they operate. Knowledge is power.

[Jester]

IA- IMO for a long time Casey has been reminded of what a failure she was and parenting only increased that criticism. Caylee was the new princess (and should have been) and it made Casey look even worse. The only place she was not being criticized was in the clubs and her with her friends but bringing a child into the picture was off limits as well.

Exactly. No matter where she looked, Caylee was a source of criticism at home in terms of her parenting skills, or by friends as an interference in social activities. Casey wanted approval and acceptance, but did nothing to deserve it.

[legalmania]

I don't claim to be an expert in PPD, but of all the cases I have read about, known about, PPD starts quite early after the birth. In fact, our home instructions to moms include the part about "baby blues" being perfectly normal, but if they continue beyond 2 weeks, to see her doctor.

PPD is DEPRESSION. When one is depressed, it gets harder and harder to get up, get dressed, take a shower, let alone deal with the demands of a baby. Even depression not related to a birth, it is hard to be motivated to do much of ANYTHING. People have to really push themselves to do normal activities of daily living, to just get to work. I can see where one who is depressed might force herself to get gussied up for a party that has particular importance, I just can't see that someone so depressed that she would kill her child could muster enough energy to "force" herself to go to all those parties.

I don't think depression was her problem, especially not post partum depression.

PPP--post partum PSYCHOSIS is what is usually related to a "break" where one would kill one's own child. But, one does have to have PPD to get to that stage.

So this isn't something you could hide. It would be obvious something was wrong. Now would Cindy go as far as not to say anything?

[Lavenia]

She might not have hated either one, her mother or Caylee. She might be like the kind of person that takes their dog to the pound when they get tired of it or it becomes too much trouble to care for. Caylee was just in the way so she got rid of her. She didn't want her any longer... she wanted to party and she was in the way.

That was the analogy I thought of right off the bat! Little girl got tired of her puppy.

[sunstar]

She might not have hated either one, her mother or Caylee. She might be like the kind of person that takes their dog to the pound when they get tired of it or it becomes too much trouble to care for. Caylee was just in the way so she got rid of her. She didn't want her any longer... she wanted to party and she was in the way.

I did hear one psychologist on Nancy's show saying about the same thing, comparing Caylee to a doll that Casey liked to play with and then toss in a corner when she was tired of her. :sad: MOO

[Jester]

Would these symptoms be consistent when a child kills a parent?

I haven't read up on children that kill their parents, but one statement that stood out with the 8 year old that recently shot his father was that he had counted how many times he'd been spanked, and had made up his mind that when it got to a certain number, he was going to put an end to it, with murder. That was resentment that was focused on the parent rather than repressed.

[Jester]

I don't claim to be an expert in PPD, but of all the cases I have read about, known about, PPD starts quite early after the birth. In fact, our home instructions to moms include the part about "baby blues" being perfectly normal, but if they continue beyond 2 weeks, to see her doctor.

PPD is DEPRESSION. When one is depressed, it gets harder and harder to get up, get dressed, take a shower, let alone deal with the demands of a baby. Even depression not related to a birth, it is hard to be motivated to do much of ANYTHING. People have to really push themselves to do normal activities of daily living, to just get to work. I can see where one who is depressed might force herself to get gussied up for a party that has particular importance, I just can't see that someone so depressed that she would kill her child could muster enough energy to "force" herself to go to all those parties.

I don't think depression was her problem, especially not post partum depression.

PPP--post partum PSYCHOSIS is what is usually related to a "break" where one would kill one's own child. But, one does have to have PPD to get to that stage.

I agree. I think postpartum depression is characterized by inactivity and neglect of one's self and the child. Casey was very active shopping, cooking, buying clothes, and so on. Also, she would have developed postpartum depression shortly after the childbirth, so 2.5 years later she would have been a real mess. That's not what we see in Casey today.

[Amy]

No. Way. Jose. I buy this defense least of all.

There is a lot of paper on this but here is a quick, simple explanation:

http://www.webmd.com/depression/postpartum-depression/postpartum-depression-symptoms

Thanks for the link. Again, almost 3 years after Caylee's birth pretty much negates PPD or PPP.

I seem to remember, in the letter Lenamon wrote to lest why Casey should not be considered for DP, he mentioned people saw a change in Casey after the birth of Caylee. A real no-brainer, I don't know of ANY mom who doesn't show SOME changes after a birth. But, in all the interviews with people who knew Casey when Caylee was born, NEVER did I read where any of them tho't she had a change that would equate to PPD. They were all impressed w/how well she took care of Caylee, what a good mom she was, etc etc etc. Never did see a mention where she might even had shown some negative signs of being a mom.

[sunstar]

I agree. I think postpartum depression is characterized by inactivity and neglect of one's self and the child. Casey was very active shopping, cooking, buying clothes, and so on. Also, she would have developed postpartum depression shortly after the childbirth, so 2.5 years later she would have been a real mess. That's not what we see in Casey today.

I'll second that. I can't see her developing PPD when Caylee's between 2-3 yrs. old and there doesn't seem to be anything to show she had it right after Caylee was born either. I think people who were around her a lot, like JG, would've noticed it. And I've never heard of anybody with PPD going out partying. MOO