CAYLEE ANTHONY - Wednesday 12/24 Part 1

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Good Morning and Merry Christmas to all of you!

Thoughts and prayers for Caylee and all the beautiful angels who have lost their lives. Prayers for the missing children who have yet to find their way home. :rose:

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NANCY GRACE
Police Search Anthony Home Again After Releasing Crime Scene
Aired December 22, 2008 - 20:00:00 ET

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0812/22/ng.01.html

[bluwaters]

Please Light a Candle for Caylee

http://www.gratefulness.org/candles/candles.cfm?l=eng&gi=cayle

:rose::rose::rose:

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Brought this over from the other thread. I think your theory makes alot of sense. I would really love to know if George smelled the decomp on that day. Did the Anthonys know there was something not right in their backyard on June 24th? Where was Cindy when George saw Casey that day? Was she at work?

12-24-2008, 08:16 AM
Barbara fl.
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Belleview Florida
Posts: 1,259

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
Hi Barb! I think their hope is that Dr. Reich will do an anthropological exam of the bones and come up with some kind of "proof" that Caylee was placed in that garbage bag in the woods, during a time when the defendant could not have done it.

Good luck with that, cuz I think there is ample proof that poor Caylee was lying in those woods since mid June.


Hi, and Happy Christmas Eve...

That is exactly what they are going to try and pull off....But, I too think that the body was put their in mid June also...,

I think she put the body there following the close call with George almost going into the trunk...She might have been concerned if maybe her father got suspiscious and would go after her to see what she was hiding....so she put it in the closest place after she left the house and didn't have time to bury it good.....

The defense can use any strategy they want...now way is any of it going to be effective....There were alot of other cases that I wasn't sure of the outcome...but not this one....Casey knows she has seen the last of the outside world...

[shellzbi]

Merry Christmas and Happy New Year To All.

Be Well.

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Good Christmas Eve morning n/t

They will have as much luck as Scott P's defense saying Laci's body was "planted" at the Bay to implicate him!


"His defense at this point is, 'Oh, my God, somebody else must have done it and was trying to set me up ... by dumping the bodies into the general vicinity of where I was' ... I don't think it's ever going to wash," Geragos said on Fox TV.

Let's see...where is Scott spending the Holidays?

Geragos should know! lol

[beetlebrow]

I just listened to the tapes of the meter reader.....and a thought occured to me......

Mr. Kronk seemed totally believable to me in the way he comes accross.

He did not specifically seem focused on a bag....he had more of a suspicion about certain things in the general area.

Most of all...he seemed compelled to search that area......and at the same time it was like he didn't even want to be doing this or having these feelings...

My first thought was some type of psychic vision, but then I remembered that his wife died of cancer a year ago.

I know some will think I am crazy but is it possible that somehow his departed wife led him to Caylee???

[~jomomma~]

i don't think you're crazy beetle

[SandyO]

I just listened to the tapes of the meter reader.....and a thought occured to me......

Mr. Kronk seemed totally believable to me in the way he comes accross.

He did not specifically seem focused on a bag....he had more of a suspicion about certain things in the general area.

Most of all...he seemed compelled to search that area......and at the same time it was like he didn't even want to be doing this or having these feelings...

My first thought was some type of psychic vision, but then I remembered that his wife died of cancer a year ago.

I know some will think I am crazy but is it possible that somehow his departed wife led him to Caylee???


I am convinced some people are more intuitive than others, and that might have something to do with why some think they are psychic. This meter reader just had a hunch, a "feeling", and he could have been wrong just as easily as he was right. It was just a tremendous strike of fate that he was right, God bless him.

[KatieKates]

I just listened to the tapes of the meter reader.....and a thought occured to me......

Mr. Kronk seemed totally believable to me in the way he comes accross.

He did not specifically seem focused on a bag....he had more of a suspicion about certain things in the general area.

Most of all...he seemed compelled to search that area......and at the same time it was like he didn't even want to be doing this or having these feelings...

My first thought was some type of psychic vision, but then I remembered that his wife died of cancer a year ago.

I know some will think I am crazy but is it possible that somehow his departed wife led him to Caylee???

Not crazy at all, Beetle. Ya never know. :wink:

[beetlebrow]

i don't think you're crazy beetle

Thank you momma........:wub:

[Mosgranny]

I just listened to the tapes of the meter reader.....and a thought occured to me......

Mr. Kronk seemed totally believable to me in the way he comes accross.

He did not specifically seem focused on a bag....he had more of a suspicion about certain things in the general area.

Most of all...he seemed compelled to search that area......and at the same time it was like he didn't even want to be doing this or having these feelings...

My first thought was some type of psychic vision, but then I remembered that his wife died of cancer a year ago.

I know some will think I am crazy but is it possible that somehow his departed wife led him to Caylee???

That is a strong posibility, that she did lead him to the baby.

What I am having problems with is why when he called in those tips in August, why the LE, did nothing to follow up, why they didn't ask Mr. Kronk, to meet them at the site in question, show them where the bag was.

[beetlebrow]

I am convinced some people are more intuitive than others, and that might have something to do with why some think they are psychic. This meter reader just had a hunch, a "feeling", and he could have been wrong just as easily as he was right. It was just a tremendous strike of fate that he was right, God bless him.


I guess we may never know....and maybe thats good....bless Mr. Kronk, he seems to have a big heart.

[beetlebrow]

Not crazy at all, Beetle. Ya never know. :wink:

Thank you Katie.....I just feel sorry for Mr Kronk. The "he didnt ask for this" feeling is very strong for me. I sincerely hope that people appreciate what he did because I think he needs that right now :sad:

[desmom]

That is a strong posibility, that she did lead him to the baby.

What I am having problems with is why when he called in those tips in August, why the LE, did nothing to follow up, why they didn't ask Mr. Kronk, to meet them at the site in question, show them where the bag was.

LE did ask the meter reader to call back when we was able to show LE the location of the item in question.

You can listen to his calls and read the reports here:

http://www.wesh.com/news/18344942/detail.html

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

I heard NG repeat a couple of times about the duct tape being wrapped around the head, do we know if this is a fact yet?

[desmom]

I heard NG repeat a couple of times about the duct tape being wrapped around the head, do we know if this is a fact yet?


I do not think it has been confirmed by LE. I looked for the transcripts from last night's show, but they are not up yet. jmo

[trich]

I am convinced some people are more intuitive than others, and that might have something to do with why some think they are psychic. This meter reader just had a hunch, a "feeling", and he could have been wrong just as easily as he was right. It was just a tremendous strike of fate that he was right, God bless him.

I agree!
My daughter has 2 boys and a girl and she almost knows exactly when something is going on with them and these are 18, 19 &21...One has been in a couple of minor traffic accidents and each time she knew something was wrong before she was even called.
Yes I think people have gut feelings that sometimes prove correct and other times they breathe a sigh of relieve that that feeling is wrong.

[beetlebrow]

That is a strong posibility, that she did lead him to the baby.

What I am having problems with is why when he called in those tips in August, why the LE, did nothing to follow up, why they didn't ask Mr. Kronk, to meet them at the site in question, show them where the bag was.

Well what struck me about Mr Kronk's phone calls was he was focused on a round white thing under a white board that was over a dead tree on the ground. I don't think he really knew what he found.

He just does not seem like the type that would press the issue, i.e. he seems like a private person who would not keep calling LE unless something else was involved.

I hope he is OK this Christmas, it is going to be hard for him since his wife passed away recently.

[WillowInFlight]

I do not think it has been confirmed by LE. I looked for the transcripts from last night's show, but they are not up yet. jmo

Thanks des, she just kept going on about it and the hair. Also about Casey not fighting to go to the funeral, I'm not surprised she not fighting for that, she must know she will never be allowed to go.

[trt]

I just listened to the tapes of the meter reader.....and a thought occured to me......

Mr. Kronk seemed totally believable to me in the way he comes accross.

He did not specifically seem focused on a bag....he had more of a suspicion about certain things in the general area.

Most of all...he seemed compelled to search that area......and at the same time it was like he didn't even want to be doing this or having these feelings...

My first thought was some type of psychic vision, but then I remembered that his wife died of cancer a year ago.

I know some will think I am crazy but is it possible that somehow his departed wife led him to Caylee???

That is ABSOLUTELY (ugh) possible!! I'm a big believer in spiritual and supernatural occurences!

[Mandysmom]

Good morning everyone. What a sad Christmas Eve it is, but I'm still so thankful for Caylee being found before the holidays. I haven't been here in a few days, I have had to try and distance myself a bit.

This case has been the hardest one I've ever been involved in. So sad and everytime I see little Caylee's video, I just cry.

I can't imagine the pain of those who loved her so much in life as they have to now face the loss.

[WillowInFlight]

Well what struck me about Mr Kronk's phone calls was he was focused on a round white thing under a white board that was over a dead tree on the ground. I don't think he really knew what he found.

He just does not seem like the type that would press the issue, i.e. he seems like a private person who would not keep calling LE unless something else was involved.

I hope he is OK this Christmas, it is going to be hard for him since his wife passed away recently.
ITA, I don't think he knew what he found either, he just knew that Caylee was missing, people were searching and he saw something that he thought was out of place.

[SavannahStar]

I heard NG repeat a couple of times about the duct tape being wrapped around the head, do we know if this is a fact yet?


No. Unconfirmed by LE, to my knowledge.

[Stella Rose]

I also hope Mr. Kronk will be OK. What a horrible time for him.

This is one of the worst cases I have ever seen as well. It has been years now since Danielle Van Dam and Jessie Lundsford, but I still see their smiling faces in my head sometimes. And now Caylee...

I wish we would never have another face to add to all of theirs. It's just so... wrong.

Sorry to be Debby Downer. Happy Christmas Eve all.

[joolz]

Good Christmas Eve morning n/t

They will have as much luck as Scott P's defense saying Laci's body was "planted" at the Bay to implicate him!


"His defense at this point is, 'Oh, my God, somebody else must have done it and was trying to set me up ... by dumping the bodies into the general vicinity of where I was' ... I don't think it's ever going to wash," Geragos said on Fox TV.

Let's see...where is Scott spending the Holidays?


thinking. . .thinking. . . oh yeah! right where he belongs!

[barskin&co.]

<snip>
Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
Hi Barb! I think their hope is that Dr. Reich will do an anthropological exam of the bones and come up with some kind of "proof" that Caylee was placed in that garbage bag in the woods, during a time when the defendant could not have done it.

Good luck with that, cuz I think there is ample proof that poor Caylee was lying in those woods since mid June.


Hi, and Happy Christmas Eve...

That is exactly what they are going to try and pull off....But, I too think that the body was put their in mid June also...,


Yes, this looks like the David Westerfield defense again ("Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, science has shown that the body was disposed of at a time the defendant couldn't do it. Not guilty")* There was too much evidence of guilt for the jury to buy this, though, and Westerfield is on death row, today.



*Of course, the Westerfield defense knew that he in fact did do it.

[joolz]

Good morning and Merry Christmas Eve, everyone. Okay this is just me thinking but with the dumping of the bag timeline, the prosecution saying that the body was dumped shortly after death does not jive with me. And I say this because if that is so, how then do you explain the condition of the trunk when George and the tow truck guy opened it that day. The strong smell of decomposition and the presence of maggots and I know there is conflicting reports on the maggots and bugs but I seem to recollect someone on Nancy Grace and I think it may have been Dr. Kobilinsky, saying that there were maggots in that trunk.

I think that this body had been moved at least twice if not more. I think Casey may have had help in that department because I think that the place where the remains were found, was placed there by someone helping Casey out (and I have an idea who that was) while she was sitting in prison. Just think about it. If that is the case, what a better way to cast doubt on a jury and also to say "oh, look, someone else had to do it because the bag was not there back in June or July when the place was searched". The only thing that the defense forgets if they use such a strategy is that one juror (and that's all it takes) mights say "well, yeah, to me that only means she had an accomplice. It certainly does not mean that she is not guilty".


IMO, "shortly after death" could easily mean a few days, during which time the decomp smell would have time to develop.

[Pebbles]

I think it's suspicious that Casey Anthony would say that she felt that

Caylee "was close" when asked where she thought Caylee was. Those

words are just eerie to me like Casey knew where Caylee was all along.

IMO



I was just wondering if Casey told her parents that she felt Caylee was close, so if Caylee's body was found, Casey could say "See, I told you Caylee was close, the babysitter never left the area, she killed her and dumped her near our house so her remains would be found".

For some reason I think this is her defense if they stick to the kidnapper story.

[joolz]

I think it's suspicious that Casey Anthony would say that she felt that

Caylee "was close" when asked where she thought Caylee was. Those

words are just eerie to me like Casey knew where Caylee was all along.

IMO

What is eerie about it? Casey did know where Caylee was all along, since she put her there, IMO.

[barskin&co.]

Good morning and Merry Christmas Eve, everyone. Okay this is just me thinking but with the dumping of the bag timeline, the prosecution saying that the body was dumped shortly after death does not jive with me. And I say this because if that is so, how then do you explain the condition of the trunk when George and the tow truck guy opened it that day. The strong smell of decomposition and the presence of maggots and I know there is conflicting reports on the maggots and bugs but I seem to recollect someone on Nancy Grace and I think it may have been Dr. Kobilinsky, saying that there were maggots in that trunk.

I think that this body had been moved at least twice if not more. I think Casey may have had help in that department because I think that the place where the remains were found, was placed there by someone helping Casey out (and I have an idea who that was) while she was sitting in prison. Just think about it. If that is the case, what a better way to cast doubt on a jury and also to say "oh, look, someone else had to do it because the bag was not there back in June or July when the place was searched". The only thing that the defense forgets if they use such a strategy is that one juror (and that's all it takes) mights say "well, yeah, to me that only means she had an accomplice. It certainly does not mean that she is not guilty".

I have no idea why you think the bag was moved. I think PPOFICA dumped poor Caylee's body in June, probably a few days after she killed her, and never thought about it again. The horrible decomp smell oozed from the liquid into the fabric of the trunk and stayed there, baking in the Florida sun, getting worse, unlike in the woods, where it would dissipate in nature.

[MalloryCat]

I think Nancy Grace has friends on the inside. I remember two days before the public announcement confirming Caylee's remains how tearful she was during her show. I think someone broke the news to her two days before we ever heard. I also think she has friends in LE who tell her off the cuff some of the details in this case. If Nancy is saying that the duct tape was wrapped around the head with hair still attached to it, she knows something that the rest of us don't and that has to be coming from friends on the inside.

It would not be the first time a reporter, especially one with direct ties to the legal community, would have a friend.

I dont think anyone had to break the news to Nancy, I am pretty sure she knew it was Caylee when a tiny body was found, shes pretty smart. I think shes emotional because of her new found motherhood.

jmo

[playnice]

I was just wondering if Casey told her parents that she felt Caylee was close, so if Caylee's body was found, Casey could say "See, I told you Caylee was close, the babysitter never left the area, she killed her and dumped her near our house so her remains would be found".

For some reason I think this is her defense if they stick to the kidnapper story.

I dont think short of a confession they have a choice at this point. They carried this nanny crap too far now they are locked into it. It is going to hang Casey because they can not produce one person that knew nanny or her imaginary family.

[MalloryCat]

Hi, Joolz, I don't agree because the smell of decomposition according to George himself was emenating at least a foot outside of that car. He said that from the distance between where he was sitting in the interrogation room to the police officer who was questioning him (and that was about 12 inches) was where he started smelling the stench. That would mean a well decomposed body. Very much into the stages of severe decomposition. Also, maggots just don't appear out of the human body. Maggots are the newborn eggs of flies. The body had to be placed somewhere out in the open where flies could accumulate and land on the body itself to lay their eggs. I would have to google how long it takes a fly to lay an egg for that egg to develop into a maggot in order to tell how long that body was exposed to flies. Either way, the way the prosecutors are presenting, that the body was placed in a sealed plastic bag (how do flies get into a sealed trash bag) and then dumped in those woods back in June or July does not explain how the smell of death and these maggots and the unidentified stain of bodily fluids ended up in Casey's trunk. This theory is just not credible.

My only hope is that the prosecution in this case does not make the same mistakes that OJ's did with hiding the truth or twisting facts in order to make a case. I hope they can admit upfront that they made a mistake about the 911 calls and stick with the facts that they have which are the evidence in the trunk of Casey's car.


Wrong. Flies do not need a body to be in the open, they get into homes, they get into trunks, nothing is airtight for those guys, ESPECIALLY not plastic bags, its just a fact.

[Nellie]

Brought this over from the other thread. I think your theory makes alot of sense. I would really love to know if George smelled the decomp on that day. Did the Anthonys know there was something not right in their backyard on June 24th? Where was Cindy when George saw Casey that day? Was she at work?

12-24-2008, 08:16 AM
Barbara fl.
Registered User Join Date: Aug 2007
Location: Belleview Florida
Posts: 1,259

Quote:
Originally Posted by Regina.Lampert
Hi Barb! I think their hope is that Dr. Reich will do an anthropological exam of the bones and come up with some kind of "proof" that Caylee was placed in that garbage bag in the woods, during a time when the defendant could not have done it.

Good luck with that, cuz I think there is ample proof that poor Caylee was lying in those woods since mid June.


Hi, and Happy Christmas Eve...

That is exactly what they are going to try and pull off....But, I too think that the body was put their in mid June also...,

I think she put the body there following the close call with George almost going into the trunk...She might have been concerned if maybe her father got suspiscious and would go after her to see what she was hiding....so she put it in the closest place after she left the house and didn't have time to bury it good.....

The defense can use any strategy they want...now way is any of it going to be effective....There were alot of other cases that I wasn't sure of the outcome...but not this one....Casey knows she has seen the last of the outside world...

IMO, even if they were able to plant doubt that she could have killed Caylee because she was in jail when her body was dumped in the woods....would not work for me. She still could have been in jail when her body was dumped there.....and still been the killer. I am thinking of a family member and a high five.....

Too much other evidence to mount against her to paint the whole picture, imo.

[Barbara fl.]

I was just wondering if Casey told her parents that she felt Caylee was close, so if Caylee's body was found, Casey could say "See, I told you Caylee was close, the babysitter never left the area, she killed her and dumped her near our house so her remains would be found".

For some reason I think this is her defense if they stick to the kidnapper story.



No doubt about it...That is going to be the defense...They really have nothing else...It's too late to cry accidental...Casey will never confess....And besides, Linda Baden don't handle guilty pleas...She loves a trial setting especially with all the media attention...

Yep...They will be going that route....also I am beginning to hear that the Meter Reader will be considered as being connected someway to Caylee death...

None of it will work....Casey is going as sure as Scott Peterson went...

[joolz]

Hi, Joolz, I don't agree because the smell of decomposition according to George himself was emenating at least a foot outside of that car. He said that from the distance between where he was sitting in the interrogation room to the police officer who was questioning him (and that was about 12 inches) was where he started smelling the stench. That would mean a well decomposed body. Very much into the stages of severe decomposition. Also, maggots just don't appear out of the human body. Maggots are the newborn eggs of flies. The body had to be placed somewhere out in the open where flies could accumulate and land on the body itself to lay their eggs. I would have to google how long it takes a fly to lay an egg for that egg to develop into a maggot in order to tell how long that body was exposed to flies. Either way, the way the prosecutors are presenting, that the body was placed in a sealed plastic bag (how do flies get into a sealed trash bag) and then dumped in those woods back in June or July does not explain how the smell of death and these maggots and the unidentified stain of bodily fluids ended up in Casey's trunk. This theory is just not credible.

My only hope is that the prosecution in this case does not make the same mistakes that OJ's did with hiding the truth or twisting facts in order to make a case. I hope they can admit upfront that they made a mistake about the 911 calls and stick with the facts that they have which are the evidence in the trunk of Casey's car.

Lots of info about maggots and flies, etc., has been posted, but I can't deal with reading it all or watching the videos (makes me too queasy!). But my uninformed impression is that maggots aren't regular flies, and that a body woudn't have to be exposed to open air to get them (also, I'd be her poor little body wasn't sealed in a bag right way, and car trunks certainly aren't airtight). And I don't think severe decomp would be necessary for that smell to develop, especially in car that had been in the heat for a few weeks.

IMO, Casey is a lazy, evil monster who does what is the easiest thing to do at the moment. I believe she dumped the bag and never looked back or moved it, and I really don't think she had any help. I guess we'll find out.

[Barbara fl.]

Barskin, goodmorning. Think about it. Maggots means fly activity. Where are there flies in a sealed plastic garbage bag? Also, there is too much evidence of "a damn dead body in the trunk" . The stain, the maggot or "bugs" they found, I think she moved that body and I think that's why they took the soil samples from the backyard. I think there may have been different soils on or inside that bag that didn't match up with the soil at the woods. Again, flies lay eggs which turn to maggots. Where are flies? A dumpster maybe? Where was the car parked? By a dumpster.


I believe you are right about the soil in the back yard...They certainly will try and connect it to that bag is some way....also they should check the front floor of the car...Casey would have had to walk thru the dirt at the scene and had to carry some in the car on her shoes....

[barskin&co.]

Hi, Joolz, I don't agree because the smell of decomposition according to George himself was emenating at least a foot outside of that car. He said that from the distance between where he was sitting in the interrogation room to the police officer who was questioning him (and that was about 12 inches) was where he started smelling the stench. That would mean a well decomposed body. Very much into the stages of severe decomposition. Also, maggots just don't appear out of the human body. Maggots are the newborn eggs of flies. The body had to be placed somewhere out in the open where flies could accumulate and land on the body itself to lay their eggs. I would have to google how long it takes a fly to lay an egg for that egg to develop into a maggot in order to tell how long that body was exposed to flies. Either way, the way the prosecutors are presenting, that the body was placed in a sealed plastic bag (how do flies get into a sealed trash bag) and then dumped in those woods back in June or July does not explain how the smell of death and these maggots and the unidentified stain of bodily fluids ended up in Casey's trunk. This theory is just not credible.

My only hope is that the prosecution in this case does not make the same mistakes that OJ's did with hiding the truth or twisting facts in order to make a case. I hope they can admit upfront that they made a mistake about the 911 calls and stick with the facts that they have which are the evidence in the trunk of Casey's car.

Oh I think the body was moved once, from the ground in the back yard at the Anthony's to the car trunk, then it was thrown away.

[Nellie]

Well what struck me about Mr Kronk's phone calls was he was focused on a round white thing under a white board that was over a dead tree on the ground. I don't think he really knew what he found.

He just does not seem like the type that would press the issue, i.e. he seems like a private person who would not keep calling LE unless something else was involved.

I hope he is OK this Christmas, it is going to be hard for him since his wife passed away recently.

That struck me too and I kept wondering what this white thing/white board was. I think he also said a strip had been mowed, didn't he? .....and that seemed "odd". I don't think he was focused on a bag. Things just looked "funny" to him.

[trt]

Barskin, goodmorning. Think about it. Maggots means fly activity. Where are there flies in a sealed plastic garbage bag? Also, there is too much evidence of "a damn dead body in the trunk" . The stain, the maggot or "bugs" they found, I think she moved that body and I think that's why they took the soil samples from the backyard. I think there may have been different soils on or inside that bag that didn't match up with the soil at the woods. Again, flies lay eggs which turn to maggots. Where are flies? A dumpster maybe? Where was the car parked? By a dumpster.

I don't think there has to be open air for flies, just a bit of a crack for them to squeeze through. They are attracted to things that are decomposing so no doubt one or two found their way into that trunk. I don't believe that Caylee's body was bagged immediately after her death and I think that it would only take a portion of her fluids(which you start to lose almost immediately after death) to get into the car trunk for the smell to get worse and worse over time to where it is permeating the car.

JMO

[martha]

I worked for the electric power assn.where i live and the meter readers were not alowed to touch anything at anyone house if they saw something that needed reporting they had to call it in and be on their way. If lway needed them back later they would call them back to the house. the only thing they could do is read the meter and leave.jmho I think the meter reader did what he could do and was honest about it.jmho

[ilovemylife]

Good morning friends,

I have not been here much as of late. However, my thoughts haven't left the case, especially since little Caylee was found.

I wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas!

As much as I would like to sit and join in on the discussion I can't. I have found myself breaking down in tears out of the blue, and it's because of the heartbroken feeling I have over this case.

RIP Caylee, you will always be in my heart , as you are in hearts around the world. You deserved so much more.

[WillowInFlight]

I think it's suspicious that Casey Anthony would say that she felt that

Caylee "was close" when asked where she thought Caylee was. Those

words are just eerie to me like Casey knew where Caylee was all along.

IMO
Of course she knew.

[Stella Rose]

Good morning friends,

I have not been here much as of late. However, my thoughts haven't left the case, especially since little Caylee was found.

I wanted to wish you all a Merry Christmas!

As much as I would like to sit and join in on the discussion I can't. I have found myself breaking down in tears out of the blue, and it's because of the heartbroken feeling I have over this case.

RIP Caylee, you will always be in my heart , as you are in hearts around the world. You deserved so much more.

You aren't alone. I am crying for her too. Tring to get into the Holiday spirit, but it's tough. Hugs to you.

[Regina.Lampert]

LOL....Scott should thank Ol' Mark. SP always dreamed about living in an exclusive Gated Community on The Bay!

Miss Casey will spend many many Holidays behind the "gates" of a prison wall.


:lol:


I hope ole scottietohottie is still enjoying those "historical buildings"...........lol.

[WillowInFlight]

I think the body has been moved twice, but remember George said Caylee had been moved 8 times, why would he say that?

[Barbara fl.]

I think it's suspicious that Casey Anthony would say that she felt that

Caylee "was close" when asked where she thought Caylee was. Those

words are just eerie to me like Casey knew where Caylee was all along.

IMO


Suspicious? You mean you had a doubt?...

[joolz]

I think the body has been moved twice, but remember George said Caylee had been moved 8 times, why would he say that?


IIRC George was talking about a live Caylee being moved by the mysterious kindappers who never made any demands and were being watched by equally mysterious people "outside" the regular channels.

As to why he would say it? He was lying. Or deluding himself into believing some bee s. his daughter was feeding him. JMO

[joolz]

When did he say that? Also, just to let everyone know I just googled where maggots come from, they are the eggs of flies BUT the fly lays the egg and the egg turns into a maggot within 8-20 hours. That would put the timeline right where the prosecutors are saying. The body was dumped in the woods "shortly after death", which would give credibility (at least to me) that Casey was driving a few days with Caylee in the trunk. I WAS WRONG. :thumbdown:

January, I hope you realize that admitting you are wrong makes you completely unsuitable to EVER be hired as a TV talking head! :laugh:

[WillowInFlight]

IIRC George was talking about a live Caylee being moved by the mysterious kindappers who never made any demands and were being watched by equally mysterious people "outside" the regular channels.

As to why he would say it? He was lying. Or deluding himself into believing some bee s. his daughter was feeding him. JMO

I know but I just thought it was weird he said 8 times and that he had gone to all those places, but we could never figure out when he went to PR.

[trt]

When did he say that? Also, just to let everyone know I just googled where maggots come from, they are the eggs of flies BUT the fly lays the egg and the egg turns into a maggot within 8-20 hours. That would put the timeline right where the prosecutors are saying. The body was dumped in the woods "shortly after death", which would give credibility (at least to me) that Casey was driving a few days with Caylee in the trunk. I WAS WRONG. :thumbdown:

Yeah, that's news to me about George too...very crazy thing to say. I think she dumped the body on around the 18th or whatever day she borrowed the neighbor's shovel. I think Caylee's body had been in the Anthony's backyard until then. I give you a huge :thumbsup:for even coming back and saying that you were wrong!! :D

[Barbara fl.]

I think the body has been moved twice, but remember George said Caylee had been moved 8 times, why would he say that?


I believe it was placed three times but moved twice...I believe she first put Caylee in the back yard under the playhouse. She might have thought that would be too risky and she moved it to the trunk of her car, where she road around with it for a few days....then to the lot down the road from her home.

On the day that George almost opened the trunk was probably too close for Casey and she left the house and went straight to the lot....

Because I do believe that Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to go into it to get the cans out.....

[Barbara fl.]

Lots of info about maggots and flies, etc., has been posted, but I can't deal with reading it all or watching the videos (makes me too queasy!). But my uninformed impression is that maggots aren't regular flies, and that a body woudn't have to be exposed to open air to get them (also, I'd be her poor little body wasn't sealed in a bag right way, and car trunks certainly aren't airtight). And I don't think severe decomp would be necessary for that smell to develop, especially in car that had been in the heat for a few weeks.

IMO, Casey is a lazy, evil monster who does what is the easiest thing to do at the moment. I believe she dumped the bag and never looked back or moved it, and I really don't think she had any help. I guess we'll find out.


And my guess is you are right....

[WillowInFlight]

I believe it was placed three times but moved twice...I believe she first put Caylee in the back yard under the playhouse. She might have thought that would be too risky and she moved it to the trunk of her car, where she road around with it for a few days....then to the lot down the road from her home.

On the day that George almost opened the trunk was probably too close for Casey and she left the house and went straight to the lot....

Because I do believe that Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to go into it to get the cans out.....
I think so to Barb, But once again Casey got a free pass to do what she wanted to do.

[AJandTam]

No doubt about it...That is going to be the defense...They really have nothing else...It's too late to cry accidental...Casey will never confess....And besides, Linda Baden don't handle guilty pleas...She loves a trial setting especially with all the media attention...

Yep...They will be going that route....also I am beginning to hear that the Meter Reader will be considered as being connected someway to Caylee death...

None of it will work....Casey is going as sure as Scott Peterson went...

Merry Christmas Eve! Hard to say that knowing little Caylee is sitting in a funeral home today. Aghhhhhhh Cooking w/our own babies just makes ya think. WHY? Why would someone harm a baby. It's so hard to even imagine. Caylee should be trying to stick her fingers in cookie dough this time of year instead of laying in a ..... Grrrrrr
Barb, I missed last night. Did we learn anything new about the defenses plan to blame this on the meter reader?

[Barbara fl.]

I worked for the electric power assn.where i live and the meter readers were not alowed to touch anything at anyone house if they saw something that needed reporting they had to call it in and be on their way. If lway needed them back later they would call them back to the house. the only thing they could do is read the meter and leave.jmho I think the meter reader did what he could do and was honest about it.jmho



I believe the meter reader completely.....He saw something, reported it, nothing was done about it and he decided to check it out himself....And all of Florida LE and the prosecution and all of us are certainly glad he kept on it....

[WillowInFlight]

I missed this whole episode. George told someone that the kidnappers were being watched by mysterious people that he knew and that Caylee was moved 8 times while they had her???:confused:

I have a question. Did George have a stroke or something that would affect his thinking? He is supposed to be an educated law enforcement agent. If he was the one in charge of investigating this crime, do any of you believe he would believe the nonsense coming out of his mouth?

I thought Casey told Amy that George had a mini stroke, but he never did. And no I don't believe for a second that George would believe this, but this effects him so I can understand why his thinking is off.

[trt]

Merry Christmas Eve! Hard to say that knowing little Caylee is sitting in a funeral home today. Aghhhhhhh Cooking w/our own babies just makes ya think. WHY? Why would someone harm a baby. It's so hard to even imagine. Caylee should be trying to stick her fingers in cookie dough this time of year instead of laying in a ..... Grrrrrr
Barb, I missed last night. Did we learn anything new about the defenses plan to blame this on the meter reader?

Merry Christmas Tam...I've asked myself and hubby thost exact same questions. I have a 2 almost 3 year old little girl and I just couldn't imagine. Even though my daughter is so grown and likes to be Ms. Independent, I just can't help but look at her (and her siblings even though they are older) and just want to PROTECT them from any harm or danger. THAT's what MOTHERS are supposed to do for their children. Not be the ones to cause them harm and then dump them on the side of the road. Poor baby Caylee...:crying:

[Barbara fl.]

Merry Christmas Eve! Hard to say that knowing little Caylee is sitting in a funeral home today. Aghhhhhhh Cooking w/our own babies just makes ya think. WHY? Why would someone harm a baby. It's so hard to even imagine. Caylee should be trying to stick her fingers in cookie dough this time of year instead of laying in a ..... Grrrrrr
Barb, I missed last night. Did we learn anything new about the defenses plan to blame this on the meter reader?



Merry Christmas eve to you are yours also...


The onlt thing that I did hear was that the defense is trying to say that the meter reader had to have some connection to Caylee's death..That the whole thing of him finding the body doesn't seem possible....

But we know that is not going to wash....

I too am totally depressed at thinking of how excited Caylee would be at Christmas....While I was wrapping gifts for my 3 yr old grand son, I could help but shed a few tears....And I know I will feel that way when the presents start to get opened....

I hope that Casey is thinking about all this while sitting in jail....I hope she knows by now that she is in there for good....no more partying....

My granddaughter was expecting a package from her mother and it never came...I think I am more upset then she is.....And that's just not to see my granddaughter feel sad.....How can any mother hurt her own child in such a horrific way....I just will never understand that...

[joolz]

I missed this whole episode. George told someone that the kidnappers were being watched by mysterious people that he knew and that Caylee was moved 8 times while they had her???:confused:

I have a question. Did George have a stroke or something that would affect his thinking? He is supposed to be an educated law enforcement agent. If he was the one in charge of investigating this crime, do any of you believe he would believe the nonsense coming out of his mouth?

He did say that, but it was yet another claim of proof of Casey's innocence that vanished like a puff of smoke never to be seen again. Sort of like that photograph of Zanny and Caylee in the park that they were chasing down. Uh-huh.:rolleyes:

[Barbara fl.]

Merry Christmas Tam...I've asked myself and hubby thost exact same questions. I have a 2 almost 3 year old little girl and I just couldn't imagine. Even though my daughter is so grown and likes to be Ms. Independent, I just can't help but look at her (and her siblings even though they are older) and just want to PROTECT them from any harm or danger. THAT's what MOTHERS are supposed to do for their children. Not be the ones to cause them harm and then dump them on the side of the road. Poor baby Caylee...:crying:


Exactly....It's horrible when a child needs to be protected from their protector....just horrible....

[WillowInFlight]

I know January, it would be so easy for them to just give up, I don't know where they go from here. But I do hope some day they can accept the truth.

[trich]

Come on everybody...is it not obvious that Caylee was killed on the 15/16 of June.
She was never seen again and Casey had all that free time to party with her friends and steal from them and go shopping.
Whether Casey kept her in the trunk until she abandoned the car on the 27th who knows....maybe the LE does and can prove such.
I think she dumped the bag with her daughter's body in it that day that TonE picked her up on the road that runs by the area.( not sure of the date but I remember TonE saying that is where he picked her up)
There she laid until the flood waters went down and the bag was moved out of it's hiding place and hung up under the palmeto tree/bush.
I don't think there is any way to persuade anyone that there was not a dead body in the trunk.....now if it was not Caylee ....what other dead body would the defense like to claim was there.
Not to mention the hair with the death band and Caylee's DNA.i could go on and on .....Casey and Casey alone killed Caylee.
Now is the family covering for her .....of course....they know she did it and because all her life they have always excused her bad behavior they will continue to do so.
That is it for me .....all in a nut shell.
Too many are trying to get others involved with the strangest scenerios that do not make sense.....where everything everything points to Casey.
Evidence and common sense IMO will say it is so.

[darcie]

Yeah, that's news to me about George too...very crazy thing to say. I think she dumped the body on around the 18th or whatever day she borrowed the neighbor's shovel. I think Caylee's body had been in the Anthony's backyard until then. I give you a huge :thumbsup:for even coming back and saying that you were wrong!! :D

I pretty well agree with the same idea. I think AFTER Casey dumped Caylee, she made some smart arse remark to Cindy and or George, like:
What do you think i did mom, kill Caylee and dump in the back yard? OR, oh yeah, I killed her mom, and hid her body in the playhouse. Something along those lines anyway. It's kinda like what already has been said a 1000 times about Casey give parts of truths to her embellished story.


Merry Christmas everyone!

[Lyndawitha"Y]

That is a strong posibility, that she did lead him to the baby.

What I am having problems with is why when he called in those tips in August, why the LE, did nothing to follow up, why they didn't ask Mr. Kronk, to meet them at the site in question, show them where the bag was.



Not sure if this link has been posted before, but to answer you querry about LE not following up, there seems to be numerous reasons. None of which is the fact that that area seemed to have been cleared earlier in August or late July..However, if you just look at the area closely..look at the foliage and thick vegatation that was supposedly cleared. its enormous not to mention, Caylee was indeed there all along she was like a needle in a haystack..not suprising she got missed.

http://psychicgale.com/blinddrive.htm

Even this group felt compelled and certain Caylee was there!!! Yikes, it is too bad that it had to wait until the weather killed off most of that foliage in order to find that bundle well hidden. That area is swampy too, even before Hurrricane Faye hit!

As much as we all would wish to have found Caylee back then, it is obvious just why she wasnt located until December. Thankful she was found at all, as many seasoned searchers didnt even thing they would ever find her!!

LMS:sad:

[AJandTam]

I think the body has been moved twice, but remember George said Caylee had been moved 8 times, why would he say that?

Maybe we will find out the answer to that before too long.

[Barbara fl.]

Come on everybody...is it not obvious that Caylee was killed on the 15/16 of June.
She was never seen again and Casey had all that free time to party with her friends and steal from them and go shopping.
Whether Casey kept her in the trunk until she abandoned the car on the 27th who knows....maybe the LE does and can prove such.
I think she dumped the bag with her daughter's body in it that day that TonE picked her up on the road that runs by the area.( not sure of the date but I remember TonE saying that is where he picked her up)
There she laid until the flood waters went down and the bag was moved out of it's hiding place and hung up under the palmeto tree/bush.
I don't think there is any way to persuade anyone that there was not a dead body in the trunk.....now if it was not Caylee ....what other dead body would the defense like to claim was there.
Not to mention the hair with the death band and Caylee's DNA.i could go on and on .....Casey and Casey alone killed Caylee.
Now is the family covering for her .....of course....they know she did it and because all her life they have always excused her bad behavior they will continue to do so.
That is it for me .....all in a nut shell.
Too many are trying to get others involved with the strangest scenerios that do not make sense.....where everything everything points to Casey.
Evidence and common sense IMO will say it is so.


However, it will play a big part at trial to know Casey's every move in order to prove that she acted alone...And, we, here on this board are trying to pin point her every move....It is something that we do here on the board....

I enjoy hearing everyone else theory.....each time you hear the way someone else theorizes it, it brings another light open to think about...

As for common sense....Once the defense gets to trial with this case...common sense goes out the window.....You can trust me on that.....

[tomsgirl]

Thanks des, she just kept going on about it and the hair. Also about Casey not fighting to go to the funeral, I'm not surprised she not fighting for that, she must know she will never be allowed to go.

It may be remotely possible that she could go, I just think she doesn't want to go for 2 reasons: 1. She does not want to face Cindy and George and 2. She is afraid that someone might take a pot shot at her and she is all about protecting herself!! JMO:angry:

[WillowInFlight]

However, it will play a big part at trial to know Casey's every move in order to prove that she acted alone...And, we, here on this board are trying to pin point her every move....It is something that we do here on the board....

I enjoy hearing everyone else theory.....each time you hear the way someone else theorizes it, it brings another light open to think about...

As for common sense....Once the defense gets to trial with this case...common sense goes out the window.....You can trust me on that.....
You got that right, nothing about this case makes sense. All the way from the lead player Casey to Lenny to Jose, all the way to the meter reader. Caylee's angel.
I wish after the family checked the yard and got confirmation Caylee was missing they would have done there own searching. I's so hard to take that, that little girl was so close to home just begging to be found.

[WillowInFlight]

It may be remotely possible that she could go, I just think she doesn't want to go for 2 reasons: 1. She does not want to face Cindy and George and 2. She is afraid that someone might take a pot shot at her and she is all about protecting herself!! JMO:angry:

She has already been told that with the charges against her and the security risk that there was no way she was allowed. But I'm sure she thinks this plays in her favor. Poor Casey being victimized again.

[Neffy]

Alot of things that the Anthony's did and are doing up to this point have made me very mad but in a way, I kind of empathize with these grandparents. They are trying to protect the only daughter they have and at the same time they have to deal with the thought of their only daughter that they raised, possibly killing their only granddaughter that they thought of as their own child (and I know that feeling) that they were trying raise. What do you do when you are in that kind of situation?

I see your point but on the flip side there are some major issues that these people seem to have accustomed to.

Is it coincidence that Casey was holding her own investigation looking for Caylee likewise Cindy is going to conduct her own investigation for only a living Caylee.

George meanwhile at LE goes on his own behind both Cindy's and Casey's back relaying his gut feeling telling about the smell of the trunk in an interview pretty much realizing what it is and if something is imminent to tell him first before Cindy as she would not be able to handle it. George goes back home and follows Cindy's guide and does the flip to follow her lead.

I can see Cindy berating or belittleing Casey and likewise the other way around. Look how Cindy publicly trashed LE and the public when she didn't agree with the way they were doing things.

I'm sure she loved Caylee and would have taken custody in a New York minute. However, IMO she'd also let Casey never forget and Casey inturn will always be vengeful instead of doing anything to change.

This is one angry family that has boiled over and now one is dead. The littlest and the most vulnerable.

Survival of the fittest seems to be what the placard should read on the door step instead of Home Sweet Home.

They all possess some kind of code of silence of their lives and how they really operated as a family. Heck they even came up with a code for verbal communication.

I have no doubt they all played a part leading up to that fateful day. In the end whatever happened was by Casey's hand.

[frances1]

So many posters make the observation that they find it hard to wrap their minds around what makes someone kill. I don't know either, and don't want to, but we have to remember that unfortunately, this is just one of many crimes committed by members of the human race. Just pick up a history book or two, or for that matter, the Bible. The very first family produced a murderer.

[Adalena935]

I have had the same haunting feelings while wrapping last minute gifts for my 3 yr old grandaughter. It's such a darling age for all the excitement and wide-eyed wonder of Christmas. That baby should be enjoying herself. The evil her Mother did to her is unthinkable. Such a pretty baby. Anybody should thank God Almighty for children and majority of us do. It's impossible to understand. I hope the jurors come down hard on Casey.

[Neffy]

She has already been told that with the charges against her and the security risk that there was no way she was allowed. But I'm sure she thinks this plays in her favor. Poor Casey being victimized again.

Protocol in Florida, no one leaves when charged with 1st degree murder.

[WillowInFlight]

I see your point but on the flip side there are some major issues that these people seem to have accustomed to.

Is it coincidence that Casey was holding her own investigation looking for Caylee likewise Cindy is going to conduct her own investigation for only a living Caylee.





SNIPPED:
When was it that Casey was running her own investigation?

[num1barb]

On the day that George almost opened the trunk was probably too close for Casey and she left the house and went straight to the lot....

Because I do believe that Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to go into it to get the cans out.....

ITA completely.

[Adalena935]

I believe the evidence will show she had the baby in the back yard after death otherwise the scent of death wouldn't be there. In the trunk for sure because her with decomposing scalp was found there. I believe she acted alone and put the baby in the woods from within a day or two of murdering her. She's a monster.

[WillowInFlight]

Protocol in Florida, no one leaves when charged with 1st degree murder.

Where were you the other day when we had all the "innocent until proven guilty" she'll be going posts? LOL

[Neffy]

SNIPPED:
When was it that Casey was running her own investigation?

That was her excuse for not reporting Caylee missing for the first 30 days.

[WillowInFlight]

That was her excuse for not reporting Caylee missing for the first 30 days.

I thought you were saying you actually believed that.

[Adalena935]

SNIPPED:
When was it that Casey was running her own investigation?

That is her claim. That she was running her own investigation the month before the grandmother made the 911 calls. It's in her statements to police in the initial indictment. You can find that document in the 1st link of the 1st post in the STICKY: Links only thread.

[Shotzie]

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

[Neffy]

Where were you the other day when we had all the "innocent until proven guilty" she'll be going posts? LOL


Missed that one. LOL. Unless they change Jail house protocol not going to happen.

[AJandTam]

Merry Christmas Tam...I've asked myself and hubby thost exact same questions. I have a 2 almost 3 year old little girl and I just couldn't imagine. Even though my daughter is so grown and likes to be Ms. Independent, I just can't help but look at her (and her siblings even though they are older) and just want to PROTECT them from any harm or danger. THAT's what MOTHERS are supposed to do for their children. Not be the ones to cause them harm and then dump them on the side of the road. Poor baby Caylee...:crying:

Merry Christmas Trt, I hear ya, How many nights have most of us gotten out of bed in the freezing cold because we lay there thinking, when was the last time I checked the batteries in the fire alarms/carbon monoxide detectors ... or worrying about a tree outside falling on the house during a wind storm, do they have enough covers.. did I lock doors.. every worry known to man comes to mind at the end of the day when we are trying to go to sleep... ..

[Neffy]

I thought you were saying you actually believed that.


Bwaahahahahaha! Like the moon is made of cheese I believe it.

Casey and Cindy need to one up each other. Casey didn't know when enough was enough. In her own 22 short years she's developed into a prolific liar but has no common sense to pull it off.

IMO this is how serial killers start. Prolific vengefal liars that just hone their skills until they somewhat mature into actual plotting to cover their tracks.

[Adalena935]

She has already been told that with the charges against her and the security risk that there was no way she was allowed. But I'm sure she thinks this plays in her favor. Poor Casey being victimized again.

I was thinking that too Willow. That Casey is somehow flattered to think she's so important that she's a safety risk. I'll bet she does think it plays in her favor. I do think in a twisted way she enjoys the attention and cameras and reporters. Earlier in this case someone made the remark they thought she was wanting to be a psudo-Paris Hilton with her clubbing and photos. I think that's a good deduction. I think that's a lot of what's been going thru her mind.

[WillowInFlight]

That is her claim. That she was running her own investigation the month before the grandmother made the 911 calls. It's in her statements to police in the initial indictment. You can find that document in the 1st link of the 1st post in the STICKY: Links only thread.

Yes I know, which was why she was bar hopping, making sure her friends were having fun and looking for Zanny.

[desmom]

I have no idea why you think the bag was moved. I think PPOFICA dumped poor Caylee's body in June, probably a few days after she killed her, and never thought about it again. The horrible decomp smell oozed from the liquid into the fabric of the trunk and stayed there, baking in the Florida sun, getting worse, unlike in the woods, where it would dissipate in nature.


George told the FBI in the 7/31 interview he could see clothes in the trunk of the car. http://www.primewriter.com/blog/?cat=219 The fluids may have started to smell and she piled her laundry on top of the smell in an attempt to contain it and as an excuse if anyone asked about the smell.

From Amy's interview on 7/23: http://www.cfnews13.com/uploadedFiles/08%20Amy%20Huizenga%20July%2023,%202008.pdf (page 16 - 17)

LE: Well that's, okay, before we go to the 30th then, starting about the 25th you remember....

Amy: She talked with me....

LE: Tell me about the phone conversations.

Amy: She had told me that there was this horrible smell in her car and she couldn't figure out what it was. And then like as the days progressed, it may have more than two days. But I know it was at least more than one day that she talked to me. So it had to have been at least two days that she told me about this smell in her car. And she uhm, you know like the next day it was so much worse. She was like I think maybe my dad ran something over with my car when he borrowed it and it, it smells like something died in my car. And uhm, but she had mentioned the engine as being the source of the smell.

On the 27th, Casey sent a text to Amy to tell her about running out of gas and "there's definitely a part of an animal plastered to the frame of my car". She told Amy she had gotten rid of it and Amy never heard anymore about the smell.

In the [ I][/I ] above, Casey blamed the smell on her dad running over something. Didn't LP report on one of NG's shows that Casey had said she was not the only person to drive her car? Is she throwing George under the bus?

jmo

[Stella Rose]

I see your point but on the flip side there are some major issues that these people seem to have accustomed to.

Is it coincidence that Casey was holding her own investigation looking for Caylee likewise Cindy is going to conduct her own investigation for only a living Caylee.

George meanwhile at LE goes on his own behind both Cindy's and Casey's back relaying his gut feeling telling about the smell of the trunk in an interview pretty much realizing what it is and if something is imminent to tell him first before Cindy as she would not be able to handle it. George goes back home and follows Cindy's guide and does the flip to follow her lead.

I can see Cindy berating or belittleing Casey and likewise the other way around. Look how Cindy publicly trashed LE and the public when she didn't agree with the way they were doing things.

I'm sure she loved Caylee and would have taken custody in a New York minute. However, IMO she'd also let Casey never forget and Casey inturn will always be vengeful instead of doing anything to change.

This is one angry family that has boiled over and now one is dead. The littlest and the most vulnerable.

Survival of the fittest seems to be what the placard should read on the door step instead of Home Sweet Home.

They all possess some kind of code of silence of their lives and how they really operated as a family. Heck they even came up with a code for verbal communication.

I have no doubt they all played a part leading up to that fateful day. In the end whatever happened was by Casey's hand.

Bolding mine: Can I borrow this line... please. Thanks for actually making me smile today.

[AJandTam]

Merry Christmas eve to you are yours also...


The onlt thing that I did hear was that the defense is trying to say that the meter reader had to have some connection to Caylee's death..That the whole thing of him finding the body doesn't seem possible....

But we know that is not going to wash....

I too am totally depressed at thinking of how excited Caylee would be at Christmas....While I was wrapping gifts for my 3 yr old grand son, I could help but shed a few tears....And I know I will feel that way when the presents start to get opened....

I hope that Casey is thinking about all this while sitting in jail....I hope she knows by now that she is in there for good....no more partying....

My granddaughter was expecting a package from her mother and it never came...I think I am more upset then she is.....And that's just not to see my granddaughter feel sad.....How can any mother hurt her own child in such a horrific way....I just will never understand that...

One thing that meter reader has on his side is the FBI. I tell ya, being in his shoes. You know he's a bit scared of what might come at him.. He might have the Badens and Henry Lee to deal w/.. He is going to need all of the help he can get now.. They need a scapegoat bad.....


I hope the package comes. When it comes to little ones, you just don't want anything to make them feel bad this time of year. She will have a great Christmas w/Grandma. I have no doubt.

Caylee was such a beautiful child. So full of life. It's hard for anyone to think about what's happened to her and not feel anything.. The good news is that she will have the best Christmas ever, she is now w/the angels.

Just by what we know of Casey. It just seems the only thing that will ever bother her is that her life is gone. She might think she can get away w/it w/all of the legal support that she is getting. She will see, that isn't going to happen.

[Neffy]

"Didn't LP report on one of NG's shows that Casey had said she was not the only person to drive her car? Is she throwing George under the bus? "

With this seperation of ways between Casey and her family and Baez and Kenny-Baden, I wouldn't put it past this group to throw everyone and anyone under the bus including both George, Cindy or Lee.

[desmom]

Oh I think the body was moved once, from the ground in the back yard at the Anthony's to the car trunk, then it was thrown away.

I agree Barskin.

In one of LE's reports, George helped LE search the backyard and he agreed with LE a depression near the pool did look suspicious. I believe this is when the cadaver dogs were brought to the Anthony's backyard.

jmo

[Neffy]

They need a scapegoat bad.....

There it is! And the've assembled the best scapegoat team to do it.

That's an excellent title for them AJandTam.

[Stella Rose]

Just found this if anyone is interested.
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033
It is a guestbook on the St. Petersburg times for Caylee.

[MalloryCat]

One thing that meter reader has on his side is the FBI. I tell ya, being in his shoes. You know he's a bit scared of what might come at him.. He might have the Badens and Henry Lee to deal w/.. He is going to need all of the help he can get now.. They need a scapegoat bad.....


I hope the package comes. When it comes to little ones, you just don't want anything to make them feel bad this time of year. She will have a great Christmas w/Grandma. I have no doubt.

Caylee was such a beautiful child. So full of life. It's hard for anyone to think about what's happened to her and not feel anything.. The good news is that she will have the best Christmas ever, she is now w/the angels.

Just by what we know of Casey. It just seems the only thing that will ever bother her is that her life is gone. She might think she can get away w/it w/all of the legal support that she is getting. She will see, that isn't going to happen.

IMO, there is no way they are going to go after the guy and try to implicate him in this murder/disposal, they cant, they are still going with Zenaida, he does not fit, they only need him and his calls to 911 and the the facts LE responded to the scene and found no body, they wont make this personal.

jmo

[WillowInFlight]

IMO, there is no way they are going to go after the guy and try to implicate him in this murder/disposal, they cant, they are still going with Zenaida, he does not fit, they only need him and his calls to 911 and the the facts LE responded to the scene and found no body, they wont make this personal.

jmo

I just don't see how they can go after Zenaida when the can't prove she exists. There just isn't any proof.

[AJandTam]

I was thinking that too Willow. That Casey is somehow flattered to think she's so important that she's a safety risk. I'll bet she does think it plays in her favor. I do think in a twisted way she enjoys the attention and cameras and reporters. Earlier in this case someone made the remark they thought she was wanting to be a psudo-Paris Hilton with her clubbing and photos. I think that's a good deduction. I think that's a lot of what's been going thru her mind.

I think so too Adalena. I think that girl lives in her own fantasies..

[Neffy]

I thought you were saying you actually believed that.

Just wanted to clarify. I brought that up as Casey says she's running her own investigation as she saw fit so Cindy decides to run her own investigation as she saw fit. They had rules. Cindy one upped Casey.

I think this was a constant way of life in that household.

[WillowInFlight]

Just wanted to clarify. I brought that up as Casey says she's running her own investigation as she saw fit so Cindy decides to run her own investigation as she saw fit. They had rules. Cindy one upped Casey.

I think this was a constant way of life in that household.
Thanks for clarifying Neffy, I had a feeling thats what you meant.

[MalloryCat]

I just don't see how they can go after Zenaida when the can't prove she exists. There just isn't any proof.

Well, you see that because you are not delusional, but thats probably what they are going to do, however, I dont know, maybe they will argue she is mentally messed up, its pretty obvious, how much good that will do, who knows.

She needs to plea out.

jmo

[AJandTam]

They need a scapegoat bad.....

There it is! And the've assembled the best scapegoat team to do it.

That's an excellent title for them AJandTam.

Thanks Neffy.. The best scapegoat could be the meter reader but I don't know how they are going to tie him to the inside of the A home and Casey's car.. Whoever weaves the defense tale better have one heck of an imagination.... Not even Casey's imagination is this good.

[Neffy]

Well, you see that because you are not delusional, but thats probably what they are going to do, however, I dont know, maybe they will argue she is mentally messed up, its pretty obvious, how much good that will do, who knows.

She needs to plea out.

jmo

What I found most astounding is that the people they got to help them and perpetuate the Zanny myth and NOT TO FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE.

Kidfinders, Lenny (bailing her out) the sightings and a few other nuts. There was NO EVIDENCE that Caylee was Kidnapped NONE!

[trich]

SNIPPED:
When was it that Casey was running her own investigation?

That was her excuse for going to all the clubs and partying.
She was looking for the Nanny there.:rolleyes:

[Katt2]

Yes I know, which was why she was bar hopping, making sure her friends were having fun and looking for Zanny.

Casey was busy "mothering" her friends instead of her darling daughter.

[WillowInFlight]

Just found this if anyone is interested.
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033
It is a guestbook on the St. Petersburg times for Caylee.

Thanks for posting the link Stella, lots of beautiful messages.

[MalloryCat]

What I found most astounding is that the people they got to help them and perpetuate the myth NOT TO FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE.

Kidfinders, Lenny (bailing her out) and a few other nuts.

Well, anything to keep the drama up, who cares about the Anthonys state of mind really, there are bottom feeders everywhere, Lenny wanted a pic with the skull, I mean thats some sick stuff right there. Only the Anthonys were grieving this little girl personally, the rest was vicariously, and for some, for all the wrong reasons, basically this child has been exploited.

jmo

[trich]

What I found most astounding is that the people they got to help them and perpetuate the Zanny myth and NOT TO FOLLOW THE EVIDENCE.

Kidfinders, Lenny (bailing her out) and a few other nuts.



Yes with no explanation why no one had ever seen or heard from her.
No address, no phone contact etc.:rolleyes:

[Mimi428]

Just wanted to clarify. I brought that up as Casey says she's running her own investigation as she saw fit so Cindy decides to run her own investigation as she saw fit. They had rules. Cindy one upped Casey.

I think this was a constant way of life in that household.

I think you are right about that. Even while they are supposedly supporting one another, there always seems to be the element of antagonizing & one-upping each other.

It's one thing for one of them to contradict what the other says when they are separated & don't know what the other person has said. But George & Cindy contradict one another even while they are in the same place at the same time.

JMO

[Neffy]

Thanks Neffy.. The best scapegoat could be the meter reader but I don't know how they are going to tie him to the inside of the A home and Casey's car.. Whoever weaves the defense tale better have one heck of an imagination.... Not even Casey's imagination is this good.


Scapegoat Finders, INC. LOL not funny but it is.

[trt]

Well, anything to keep the drama up, who cares about the Anthonys state of mind really, there are bottom feeders everywhere, Lenny wanted a pic with the skull, I mean thats some sick stuff right there. Only the Anthonys were grieving this little girl personally, the rest was vicariously, and for some, for all the wrong reasons, basically this child has been exploited.

jmo

Her family has had a hand in exploiting her too, IMO.

[AJandTam]

IMO, there is no way they are going to go after the guy and try to implicate him in this murder/disposal, they cant, they are still going with Zenaida, he does not fit, they only need him and his calls to 911 and the the facts LE responded to the scene and found no body, they wont make this personal.

jmo

No arguments here Mallory. I don't know what they heck they are going to do to make a defense. Everything I can think of is full of holes. Including this made up Nanny business. If I had to put together a defense. I'd give up and tell the wretched beast "Just tell them to kill ya.. You got no hope".

[AJandTam]

Scapegoat Finders, INC. LOL not funny but it is.

:thumbsup: Love it! Not funny the situation but that was good.

[trt]

I think you are right about that. Even while they are supposedly supporting one another, there always seems to be the element of antagonizing & one-upping each other.

It's one thing for one of them to contradict what the other says when they are separated & don't know what the other person has said. But George & Cindy contradict one another even while they are in the same place at the same time.

JMO

ITA...never will I forget the day that George was remembering the *last* time he saw Caylee(June 16th). He proceeded to tell Greta that he knew the exact time because he was watching one of his favorite shows...some news show. Cindy then proceeds to tell him that he was watching something on the Food Network even though she was at work at the time. I've never believed George's version of the last time he saw Caylee since.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

ITA...never will I forget the day that George was remembering the *last* time he saw Caylee(June 16th). He proceeded to tell Greta that he knew the exact time because he was watching one of his favorite shows...some news show. Cindy then proceeds to tell him that he was watching something on the Food Network even though she was at work at the time. I've never believed George's version of the last time he saw Caylee since.

JMO
Plus the fact they never came out of the bedroom before they were ready to leave, no breakfast for Caylee, no trips to the bathroom. Though it must be true, Cindy heard them sleeping.

[AJandTam]

Plus the fact they never came out of the bedroom before they were ready to leave, no breakfast for Caylee, no trips to the bathroom. Though it must be true, Cindy heard them sleeping.

No one will ever convince me that the A's did not know that Caylee was gone forever. I can't say for sure what all they knew but that one fact. IMHO, they knew.

[margaritaville]

Plus the fact they never came out of the bedroom before they were ready to leave, no breakfast for Caylee, no trips to the bathroom. Though it must be true, Cindy heard them sleeping.


I always thought that was one of Cindy's funniest statements..that and I am a nurse of decomposition.......lol

How exactly did she "hear" them sleeping I wonder?
did she have a baby monitor hooked up in their room so she can listen to them all night long?
I mean, didn't Cindy also say that she "put them to bed"..

It is all nothing but a cover up.

I believe that Casey left with Caylee after the "big fight" and only came home to bury Caylee in the backyard............

IMHO

[WillowInFlight]

Know what? I think this was George's way of saying that he was being forced to follow a script that was written by Cindy to cover up for Casey. I think that watching George from Day One, he has been so uncomfortable lying to people about this case and what actually went down. I think the ONLY time we see a comfortable George is when he is telling the truth to the police in that interrogation room where he is describing his heart of heart gut instincts and his internal battle between being dad and cop.

George wears his emotions on his sleeves, I think. And he is a bad bad liar.

He sure was a bad liar when he was on Larry King a few weeks back.

[AJandTam]

Lurker mostly here.

I know it's probably been said, and I haven't read ALL the posts, but about Casey not being allowed to go to the funeral... does anyone else believe that she'd probably be attacked in a most violent manner? I realize that "security" would be extremely heavy, but where there's a will there's a way and I'm almost positive that SOMEONE would be able to breach that security. SO... IMO, not only because it's against FL law (?) for her to attend, I really believe her life would be in jeopardy. And I can't say that I would blame someone for being her sole judge/jury/executioner!

I know that's not a PC way to think, I'm just sayin...

I hope she rots in h#ll!!

It's hard to say. There is always the possibility but everyone's known for a long time that she did this. And yet she still lived in her parents home safely enough, and still was able to go back and forth to her lawyers.. In prison Susan Smith is still alive.. Oj's still alive even though the world hated him too. Yet somewhere in the world today, another child will most likely be murdered at the hands of someone.. and other children will die of disease while this wretched beast still breaths another breath of air.. Life isn't fair, is it?

[WillowInFlight]

I truly believe, that George is the one that is going to tell all. He loved Caylee- imo- I can see that all over him. Men are not nearly as emotional as we woman are and he is going to break. If he gets away from cindy long enough- he is going to speak up.

ITA but it may not be until he takes the witness stand.

[desmom]

I have a hard time buying that as well- both of the Anthonys couldn't remember the trip on Fathers Day (could have been an honest mistake) but yet he remembered exactly what was going on the next day after there was rumored to be a huge fight at the house the night before. Down to what Caylee was wearing and the backpacks and all???? Plus this is a month later that he is remembering all this-

Does anyone remember exactly how long Casey and family has said that she had been taking Caylee to the Nanny? i just cannot get past the fact that, for what I am remembering, to be over a year she has been talking about the "nanny" and yet so far there seems to be no such person. Why start lying about this way back then -

(bolding mine)

I think Casey was taking Caylee to parties and such. I don't think Cindy would have been too happy, so Casey started lying about the nanny.

jmo

[Mimi428]

Know what? I think this was George's way of saying that he was being forced to follow a script that was written by Cindy to cover up for Casey. I think that watching George from Day One, he has been so uncomfortable lying to people about this case and what actually went down. I think the ONLY time we see a comfortable George is when he is telling the truth to the police in that interrogation room where he is describing his heart of heart gut instincts and his internal battle between being dad and cop.

George wears his emotions on his sleeves, I think. And he is a bad bad liar.

I think George also has moments where he is extraordinarily satisfied to be able to sabotage his wife. And being interviewed by LE gives him the perfect excuse - he doesn't MEAN to sabotage her, he just can't help it, he was forced to, they drug it out of him, etc., etc.

He vacillates so much, it seems to me. He supports Cindy, but when he is in a position where he has a excuse, he doesn't support her.

He benefits from Cindy's income - but then he sabotages the finances by gambling.

And so on, & so on. He doesn't outrightly defy his wife or his daughter, but he seems ready to take the opportunity to undermine each of them. I don't think those traits suddenly popped up after Caylee went missing.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Yes, this looks like the David Westerfield defense again ("Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, science has shown that the body was disposed of at a time the defendant couldn't do it. Not guilty")* There was too much evidence of guilt for the jury to buy this, though, and Westerfield is on death row, today.



*Of course, the Westerfield defense knew that he in fact did do it.

Just as they do in this case, imo.

The Westerfield prosecution's closing argument was absolutely the most grim I have ever heard. When Jeff Dusek kept slamming his hand down on the podium and telling the jury what Danielle's last moments were like........I invision this closing argument rivaling that one.

[barskin&co.]

I truly believe, that George is the one that is going to tell all. He loved Caylee- imo- I can see that all over him. Men are not nearly as emotional as we woman are and he is going to break. If he gets away from cindy long enough- he is going to speak up.

He has certainly admitted a lot to the FBI and OCSO. He even has said he knows she'll be serving hard time in prison. But then he went to the jail to see "Hey, beautiful," and he melted. We shall see...

[AJandTam]

I always thought that was one of Cindy's funniest statements..that and I am a nurse of decomposition.......lol

How exactly did she "hear" them sleeping I wonder?
did she have a baby monitor hooked up in their room so she can listen to them all night long?
I mean, didn't Cindy also say that she "put them to bed"..

It is all nothing but a cover up.

I believe that Casey left with Caylee after the "big fight" and only came home to bury Caylee in the backyard............

IMHO

Yes, they tried awfully hard to convince you that Caylee was A ok that next day after the rumored fight. What's important about that to me. Is where was she killed. We know that C and G were home that night, so not the house??. The body farm says that the baby was not in the trunk of the car for the begining stages of decomp, right? No one ever checked to see if anything happened at Lee's house to my knowledge? The A home is being called a Crime scene.. What does it all mean?

[barskin&co.]

Just as they do in this case, imo.

The Westerfield prosecution's closing argument was absolutely the most grim I have ever heard. When Jeff Dusek kept slamming his hand down on the podium and telling the jury what Danielle's last moments were like........I invision this closing argument rivaling that one.

Oh, Regina, remember this, Dusek's last words from his closing? I bet the pros will end with an idea like this one, too:

WE DON'T HAVE OUR BEST WITNESS HERE TO TESTIFY. BUT IF BY CHANCE SOMEONE COULD CAUSE A MIRACLE, CREATE A MIRACLE, JUST A LITTLE ONE, FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND BRING DANIELLE BACK TO LIFE, JUST FOR A MOMENT, JUST TO HELP US OUT, BRING HER BACK TO LIFE, MAKE HER PRESENTABLE HERE, ASK HER TO COME INTO THIS COURTROOM AND HELP US DETERMINE THE ONE QUESTION WE NEED ANSWERED: WHO DID THIS. BRING HER INTO THIS COURTROOM AND ASK HER: DANIELLE, PLEASE TELL US; WHO DID THIS TO YOU.IN TURN, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE TOLD YOU WITH MY HAIR. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE ORANGE FIBER THAT YOU FOUND ON MY CHOKER AND WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE BLUE FIBERS THAT WERE ON MY NAKED BODY AND WHERE YOU FOUND THEM. I TOLD YOU WITH MY FINGERPRINTS. AND I TOLD YOU WITH MY BLOOD. PLEASE LISTEN.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-9999-am1.html


(in all caps, because it was printed that way in the San Diego Union-Tribune)

[AJandTam]

I think George also has moments where he is extraordinarily satisfied to be able to sabotage his wife. And being interviewed by LE gives him the perfect excuse - he doesn't MEAN to sabotage her, he just can't help it, he was forced to, they drug it out of him, etc., etc.

He vacillates so much, it seems to me. He supports Cindy, but when he is in a position where he has a excuse, he doesn't support her.

He benefits from Cindy's income - but then he sabotages the finances by gambling.

And so on, & so on. He doesn't outrightly defy his wife or his daughter, but he seems ready to take the opportunity to undermine each of them. I don't think those traits suddenly popped up after Caylee went missing.

JMO

I agree w/you. I"ve had issues w/Geo for a long time. I just don't think he is the poor little man everyone thinks he is.. I think he's a good con artist.

[Mimi428]

I truly believe, that George is the one that is going to tell all. He loved Caylee- imo- I can see that all over him. Men are not nearly as emotional as we woman are and he is going to break. If he gets away from cindy long enough- he is going to speak up.


I think he loved Caylee, too. Very much.

But he also knows where he lives, who he lives with, who was making the majority of the money, etc.

JMO

[AJandTam]

He has certainly admitted a lot to the FBI and OCSO. He even has said he knows she'll be serving hard time in prison. But then he went to the jail to see "Hey, beautiful," and he melted. We shall see...

He is everyones "HERO". No matter who he is speaking w/.. He's always "Good George".. on thier side.

[WillowInFlight]

I think he loved Caylee, too. Very much.

But he also knows where he lives, who he lives with, who was making the majority of the money, etc.

JMO
ITA, I remember reading in Cindy's mothers emails about how Casey and George were draining Cindy.

[5boxersmom]

I was thinking about this this morning. I remember someone saying that what the Grand Jury heard about Caylee was horrible. It may have been the Prosecutor. So I wonder what all they had even before the remains were found?

[Buddiesboss]

What I don't understand is why would any loving mother wait for a month to report a child missing and even then it was not her but Cindy that called the police. If it was an accident like some are saying then
why did she not call 911 that is what any normal person would do. I am totally convinced that Casey killed Caley out of spite and she has no
feelings whatsoever. She comes across to me as being cold.

Also, why whould anyone kidnap her daughter she had no money and
since her body was found so close to home this just tells me she is guilty. So many things I wonder about in this case

[barskin&co.]

He is everyones "HERO". No matter who he is speaking w/.. He's always "Good George".. on thier side.

Yeah, you make a good point.

[WillowInFlight]

Who thinks the Anthonys will visit Casey tomorrow, and will Casey even accept their visit?

[Dells]

A little o/t, but does anyone know how Casey spends her days in jail? Does she have a set time she has to get up in the morning? Is there a lights out time at night? Can she basically just lay around her cell and nap and read all day? On NG last night, NG said something to the effect of Casey watching herself on TV all day. Does she have access to a TV? Does she have one in her cell? It really surprised me to hear NG say that because I didn't think she would have access to a TV at all...:unsure:

[barskin&co.]

What I don't understand is why would any loving mother wait for a month to report a child missing and even then it was not her but Cindy that called the police. If it was an accident like some are saying then
why did she not call 911 that is what any normal person would do. I am totally convinced that Casey killed Caley out of spite and she has no
feelings whatsoever. She comes across to me as being cold.

Also, why whould anyone kidnap her daughter she had no money and
since her body was found so close to home this just tells me she is guilty. So many things I wonder about in this case

Hi. You'll find most of us here agree. There was no kidnapping. Caylee was murdered, as, by far, most children under the age of 5 are, by her parent- in this case her mother.

[playnice]

OMG Bar i remember this closing. I was crying so hard. One of the best closing ever.

I hope Danielle and Jessica Lundsford are playing with Caylee today.......... :rose:

And Maddie ,Trenton and many more. So heartbreaking.

[Mimi428]

He is everyones "HERO". No matter who he is speaking w/.. He's always "Good George".. on thier side.

Another chameleon. Adjust to the circumstances in which you find yourself. Figure out what that person wants from you, then do your best to give it to them.

JMO

[barskin&co.]

A little o/t, but does anyone know how Casey spends her days in jail? Does she have a set time she has to get up in the morning? Is there a lights out time at night? Can she basically just lay around her cell and nap and read all day? On NG last night, NG said something to the effect of Casey watching herself on TV all day. Does she have access to a TV? Does she have one in her cell? It really surprised me to hear NG say that because I didn't think she would have access to a TV at all...:unsure:

She is in one cell alone, in protective custody. I'm sure jail has times to get up and times for lights out. She most probably naps and reads and snacks. Lots of snacks- we know that from her jail accounts.

[AJandTam]

Thank you for your reply :) You're right. Don't get me wrong, I certainly do not advocate violence of any nature! I'm not sure if I'd rather have the birth-giver murderer of this beautiful baby girl spend the rest of her life behind bars (and NOT the kind she favors!) miserable every single solitary day the rest of her being... OR ol' Sparky revved up and waiting to drain the life out of her!

Merry Christmas JCon, Nice to meet you..

I really don't care what happens to her other than she never lives the good life where she can hurt anyone else again. She can stay in prison, face the death penalty, have a freak accident or die of a horrible disease. I don't think that no matter what we do to her, it will matter much if she is alive. She seems to be such a pretender, that she can be in her jail cell and pretend she's in paradise... Her own head is as good as it will ever be for her again.

[Regina.Lampert]

http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033

Thank you Shotzie, a great site to post our thoughts. Link worked great for me now.

[trich]

I think George also has moments where he is extraordinarily satisfied to be able to sabotage his wife. And being interviewed by LE gives him the perfect excuse - he doesn't MEAN to sabotage her, he just can't help it, he was forced to, they drug it out of him, etc., etc.

He vacillates so much, it seems to me. He supports Cindy, but when he is in a position where he has a excuse, he doesn't support her.

He benefits from Cindy's income - but then he sabotages the finances by gambling.

And so on, & so on. He doesn't outrightly defy his wife or his daughter, but he seems ready to take the opportunity to undermine each of them. I don't think those traits suddenly popped up after Caylee went missing.

JMO



I think this whole family is deceitful, and coniving.
I also believe this is the way their relationship has been for
years and years.
They all lie and make up stories to suit themselves.
The trouble is that when people lie they get tripped up with all the mistruths.
I know this is the time of the year when goodness and mercy should prevail but I can not find any (goodness and mercy) to give to them because of their behavior.
They also seem to be continuing the kidnapping story which we all know is not true.
I wish I could find some compassion for them but I can't.

[WillowInFlight]

Can someone please tell me - with the autopsy reports do they know within days of how long Caylee has been deceased?

They talked about that last night on NG while I was in and out, and I don't think they can pinpoint to a specific date.

[AJandTam]

Another chameleon. Adjust to the circumstances in which you find yourself. Figure out what that person wants from you, then do your best to give it to them.

JMO

You got it Mimi. I just don't buy the "Good George" act. If you watch him closely enough, and look at his background. You can see who he really is. IMHO.

[barskin&co.]

Can someone please tell me - with the autopsy reports do they know within days of how long Caylee has been deceased?

Oh, I very much doubt that.

[5boxersmom]

they had all that evidence in the car :( and the SMELL...........like George said, it's a smell you can NEVER forget.


i have a stupid question. after the trial will the A's get that car back?

Yep, but I have always felt they had more and presented it to the GJ.

I don't know about the car. I guess it will be the property of the county since it involves a crime?

[Cury-us Coyote]

Meter Reader Who Found Caylee To Tell Story Soon
Roy Kronk is “evaluating his options for participation in various interviews,” attorney David Evans said, adding that Kronk has been approached by a variety of local, cable, and network media to tell his story.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18344942/detail.html

[cloe23]

Just found this if anyone is interested.
http://www.legacy.com/SPTimes/GB/GuestbookView.aspx?PersonId=121581033
It is a guestbook on the St. Petersburg times for Caylee.


TY for the link. This is the biggest guest book I have ever seen.
Poor lil Caylee.

[ellegna]

What I don't understand is why would any loving mother wait for a month to report a child missing and even then it was not her but Cindy that called the police. If it was an accident like some are saying then
why did she not call 911 that is what any normal person would do. I am totally convinced that Casey killed Caley out of spite and she has no
feelings whatsoever. She comes across to me as being cold.

Also, why whould anyone kidnap her daughter she had no money and
since her body was found so close to home this just tells me she is guilty. So many things I wonder about in this case

I shudder to think how much more time would have passed before anyone noticed Caylee was missing if the car wasn't towed? :sad:

[Regina.Lampert]

Oh, Regina, remember this, Dusek's last words from his closing? I bet the pros will end with an idea like this one, too:

WE DON'T HAVE OUR BEST WITNESS HERE TO TESTIFY. BUT IF BY CHANCE SOMEONE COULD CAUSE A MIRACLE, CREATE A MIRACLE, JUST A LITTLE ONE, FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND BRING DANIELLE BACK TO LIFE, JUST FOR A MOMENT, JUST TO HELP US OUT, BRING HER BACK TO LIFE, MAKE HER PRESENTABLE HERE, ASK HER TO COME INTO THIS COURTROOM AND HELP US DETERMINE THE ONE QUESTION WE NEED ANSWERED: WHO DID THIS. BRING HER INTO THIS COURTROOM AND ASK HER: DANIELLE, PLEASE TELL US; WHO DID THIS TO YOU.IN TURN, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE TOLD YOU WITH MY HAIR. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE ORANGE FIBER THAT YOU FOUND ON MY CHOKER AND WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE BLUE FIBERS THAT WERE ON MY NAKED BODY AND WHERE YOU FOUND THEM. I TOLD YOU WITH MY FINGERPRINTS. AND I TOLD YOU WITH MY BLOOD. PLEASE LISTEN.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-9999-am1.html


(in all caps, because it was printed that way in the San Diego Union-Tribune)

Gives me chills all over again reading that. One monster down and one to go in the form of casey anthony.

[barskin&co.]

Sure is :(.....specially this time of year

And little, Conner, too.

Bye, guys, I'm off to an Internet free zone until tomorrow night! Merry Christmas (from a good Jewish girl).

[AJandTam]

I think this whole family is deceitful, and coniving.
I also believe this is the way their relationship has been for
years and years.
They all lie and make up stories to suit themselves.
The trouble is that when people lie they get tripped up with all the mistruths.
I know this is the time of the year when goodness and mercy should prevail but I can not find any (goodness and mercy) to give to them because of their behavior.
They also seem to be continuing the kidnapping story which we all know is not true.
I wish I could find some compassion for them but I can't.

I agree w/you Trich. Thier lives before this happened doesn't make a whole lot of sense, and thier life during this bothers me. We still have some major pieces of this puzzle to put together. IMHO...

[WillowInFlight]

And little, Conner, too.

Bye, guys, I'm off to an Internet free zone until tomorrow night! Merry Christmas (from a good Jewish girl).

Have fun Bar, and stay safe.

[margaritaville]

Yes, they tried awfully hard to convince you that Caylee was A ok that next day after the rumored fight. What's important about that to me. Is where was she killed. We know that C and G were home that night, so not the house??. The body farm says that the baby was not in the trunk of the car for the begining stages of decomp, right? No one ever checked to see if anything happened at Lee's house to my knowledge? The A home is being called a Crime scene.. What does it all mean?


Not that we know all the evidence that LE has collected..But, I think that the reason that LE is calling the A home the "crime scene" is because the "circumstantial" evidence they have is GA said he saw both Caylee and Casey on the 16th.
Had he said that they took off the night of the 15th would it still be a crime scene? Or, is it a crime scene because they believe Caylee was buried in the yard afterwards? I am not sure.
I guess I have not given Lee's house any thought as to that being the crime scene but ya never know....It has not been checked as far as we know!!

moo

[WillowInFlight]

What if after the fight broke out that night- Casey took Caylee and hid her somwhere. A storage facility or a house, and intended to keep her from Cindy. Maybe she had her locked up somewhere - used cholorform to keep her quiet and duct tape so she couldn't cry- but then Caylee ended up dying from the heat and or lack of food where she was keeping her. maybe she intended to keep her there for 55 days to guilt trip Cindy- just a theory and don't ask me where that thought came from because i have no idea

Why 55 days?

[steffaroob4]

Meter Reader Who Found Caylee To Tell Story Soon
Roy Kronk is “evaluating his options for participation in various interviews,” attorney David Evans said, adding that Kronk has been approached by a variety of local, cable, and network media to tell his story.
http://www.wesh.com/news/18344942/detail.html

I hope he does talk, it would be nice to see someone get a little something for all the rotten things that have been said about them.

Thanks

[AJandTam]

Ive interacted with plenty of cops.....Hes a former cop.....His mannerisms and actions have shown clearly from the beginning <iin my opinion> that he is a sly one. NOT THE GENTLE SWEET GRIEVING GRANDPA .....Not the gentle person.....Maybe a little "whipped" by cindy for whatever reason <she could have something on him>.....but NOT helpless, not sweet, not gentle,....and regarding the casey situation NOT DUMB.

I don't think he's whipped at all. I think he plays Cindy for the fool.. and he's good at it.. He's fooled many just like his daughter did..Let us not forget that even those who knew Casey... Didn't know WHO she was... Same for GEO IMHO.

[margaritaville]

What if after the fight broke out that night- Casey took Caylee and hid her somwhere. A storage facility or a house, and intended to keep her from Cindy. Maybe she had her locked up somewhere - used cholorform to keep her quiet and duct tape so she couldn't cry- but then Caylee ended up dying from the heat and or lack of food where she was keeping her. maybe she intended to keep her there for 55 days to guilt trip Cindy- just a theory and don't ask me where that thought came from because i have no idea


did the police ever really check up the empty apartment at Sawgrass?
Could Casey have been keeping her there?

I always wondered about that and maybe that was her "little bit of truth to her lie?"

[bama__angel]

Another chameleon. Adjust to the circumstances in which you find yourself. Figure out what that person wants from you, then do your best to give it to them.

JMO



You just described Casey also............


Happy Happy Safe Holidays to all..........

[cloe23]

Oh, Regina, remember this, Dusek's last words from his closing? I bet the pros will end with an idea like this one, too:

WE DON'T HAVE OUR BEST WITNESS HERE TO TESTIFY. BUT IF BY CHANCE SOMEONE COULD CAUSE A MIRACLE, CREATE A MIRACLE, JUST A LITTLE ONE, FOR A SHORT AMOUNT OF TIME, AND BRING DANIELLE BACK TO LIFE, JUST FOR A MOMENT, JUST TO HELP US OUT, BRING HER BACK TO LIFE, MAKE HER PRESENTABLE HERE, ASK HER TO COME INTO THIS COURTROOM AND HELP US DETERMINE THE ONE QUESTION WE NEED ANSWERED: WHO DID THIS. BRING HER INTO THIS COURTROOM AND ASK HER: DANIELLE, PLEASE TELL US; WHO DID THIS TO YOU.IN TURN, I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE ALREADY TOLD YOU. I'VE TOLD YOU WITH MY HAIR. YOU KNOW WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE ORANGE FIBER THAT YOU FOUND ON MY CHOKER AND WHERE YOU FOUND IT. I TOLD YOU WITH THE BLUE FIBERS THAT WERE ON MY NAKED BODY AND WHERE YOU FOUND THEM. I TOLD YOU WITH MY FINGERPRINTS. AND I TOLD YOU WITH MY BLOOD. PLEASE LISTEN.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/m...-9999-am1.html


(in all caps, because it was printed that way in the San Diego Union-Tribune)

This was my very first trial that I watched. This is the one that sucked me in. I lurked most of the time back then.

Do you know much about the prosecutor that will be taking on Casey's defence? I was pleased how they handled their selves when LKB was spewing out the names of all the experts aboard and asking that they could have all of the the prosecutions discovery's 'now' so imo they wouldn't have to do their own, just simply pick apart the prosecution.

[??WHATthe??]

did the police ever really check up the empty apartment at Sawgrass?
Could Casey have been keeping her there?

I always wondered about that and maybe that was her "little bit of truth to her lie?"

My two cents here...

I don't believe that the monster ever "kept" Caylee anywhere accept her parents when she went out normally to party. The monster even said herself, if she just didn't want the responsibility for Caylee, she would just have left her with her parents anyway. No... I think she intentionally got rid of Caylee because she was starting to become center ring. AND... if she did leave Caylee with them to go party, she wouldn't be able to milk as much from them, because I believe Caylee was a strong arm for her with her parents. I am also very interested in the statements she made to Amy about the house... there is a lot more to this story... and I wouldn't put it past her to hear that she was actually planning on getting rid of them all, I just don't think she had figured it all out yet...

but then as usual with this case... my head is always spinning!:blink:


IMO

[5boxersmom]

I wonder if there was water standing there in June? If a brick or paver wasn't put in the bag to sink it at the time. If there was a smell? How long would the smell last? A week?

[boo]

Merry Christmas everybody.
What a horribly sad time it must be for so many people who loved Caylee. I have not been a supporter of George or Cindy and wont start now, but I do feel a tinge of sympathy for them during this time. How hard it must be to see Caylee's Christmas things from years gone by and know that she is never coming back.

As far as Casey goes, I hope she has a miserable Christmas, an even more miserable New Year and she lives unhappily and miserably for the rest of her sorry life.

[WillowInFlight]

Ohhh... Ohhh... Ohhh...

And... I do believe that that night of the 15th when Cindy choked her was the beginning of the end for Caylee, and the start of all this...:wink:

I think it was the end but not the beginning, I think the beginning was when she started doing those internet searches.

[AJandTam]

Not that we know all the evidence that LE has collected..But, I think that the reason that LE is calling the A home the "crime scene" is because the "circumstantial" evidence they have is GA said he saw both Caylee and Casey on the 16th.
Had he said that they took off the night of the 15th would it still be a crime scene? Or, is it a crime scene because they believe Caylee was buried in the yard afterwards? I am not sure.
I guess I have not given Lee's house any thought as to that being the crime scene but ya never know....It has not been checked as far as we know!!

moo

Merry Christmas Margarita,

None of us can say for certain. Just saying that we have to think that everything so far, points to Caylee's death being sometime after she left the Nursing home. What happened after that, we dont' know. We know there is talk of a fight between Cindy and Casey that night. Then we have the book that was found that Caylee has w/her at the nursing home. I do believe that was the same book, and to me, it looked like Cindy may have gotten pictures from her mom, that she may have shoved inside the book for the ride home.. Cindy and Geo try real hard to make it sound like everything was ok the next day.. We don't know where Caylee was killed. Where she was the first few hours. We have to think about Cindy and Geo were home the 15th, the night of the fight, and Geo was home the morning afterwards until some time in the afternoon... If she killed her that night... ?? Lots of questions about where and where they were until Geo left the next afternoon.

We have two stories in this that we can't really tie into anything..

The story of the last time Geo says he saw Caylee alive.
The gas can story.

The last time Geo says that he saw Caylee alive could be because they wanted to make everything look like it was ok until the day after the fight. Even if it wasn't.. Why, what did they know about when Casey killed Caylee.. No reason to make up stories if they truly don't know..Why did they lie, what difference would saying she left that night make as opposed to she left the next day... Why not say she left that night if she did.. wouldn't matter much, would it? To me, it suggest that they know more than they are telling.. If others want to believe that they are just grieving folks in denial they can if they want too but I think looking at the actual evidence suggest otherwise..

And the gas can story... Why tell that one at all. I don't know... must be a reason right? Caylee's body was not burned that we know of... doesn't appear to have been anyways..

[5boxersmom]

Ohhh... Ohhh... Ohhh...

And... I do believe that that night of the 15th when Cindy choked her was the beginning of the end for Caylee, and the start of all this...:wink:

When Cindy said they had a lovely night at home? :wink:

Well, we know they were at the ALF. Then Cindy says she and Caylee went swimming in the pool, Casey didn't said it was to cold. But yet they didn't remember the last time they saw Caylee.

Yep the 15th was the date it all came crashing down imo.

[steffaroob4]

ASSUMING an individual reads utility meters in the same geographical area on a monthly basis for billing purposes, someone was likely in the Hidden Oaks subdivision on approx June 11th, July 11th, August 11th (with possible fluctuations for weekends, holidays, sick days).

Could RK have spotted someone or something suspicious (vehicle) in the wooded area on another occasion? Isn’t a blue 4-door Chevy Cavalier quite a different vehicle type than a white Chevy Colorado pickup with Orange County markings? Perhaps RK was not working on 8/13.

IMO, calling 911 can be a stressful event during emergency and non-emergency situations. 911 calls are not an everyday activity for the average citizen. A clear and succinct description of the nature and location of the emergency can ensure a proper and timely response. 911 operators are trained to calm the caller and elicit information. RK’s calls resulted in 3 different addresses and 3 different cross streets.
#1 8701 Suburban Dr – S Chickasaw TL & Lumberton DR
#2 9051 Suburban Dr – near Hopespring DR
#3 8749 Suburban Dr – Suburban Dr & Hopespring DR

However not one of the calls, IMO would be triaged or classified as extremely urgent requiring a response in minutes. The call nature was not an armed robbery in process, traffic accident with severe injuries, or a heart attack victim. The response times appeared reasonable, IMO.
http://www.wesh.com/download/2008/1223/18347536.pdf

Admittedly the 8/11 GPS revelation left me :eek: why are we playing a 'where-am-I-guessing-game' and wondering why the latitude and longitude or exact location was not reported. Not all citizens are experienced with technical gadgets. Regardless RK remained suspicious and became Caylee’s special earth angel.

CFS reports included operator Ids, car numbers, and badge numbers. IMO, follow-up interviews were conducted to learn specific details, IMO.

IIRC, a portion of the December 13th 911 call with RK’s supervisor was redacted before public release. Did it include more descriptive details of the remains, or the circumstances of RK’s commitment to the wooden area, or a smell RK recognized, or what?
jmho

One of the tapes from last night is edited also, they removed something, maybe gray bag.

I assumed the GPS he was trying to get was the GPS for the meter at the school. I assume he met with LE on August 13th in his own car.

We also seem to missing the crime-line phone call, I wonder why we don't have that, he seemed to have talked to them about calling LE when he got to the location.

Why all the editing out? What are they hiding...bag color...duct tape...
I say they are hiding both.

You know he could have been checking meters in June and saw Casey's car in that area OR he could have seen her in that area with Amy's car in July. I am NOT saying he saw it and remembered he saw a car there, but just maybe he saw it and his mind made him look in that spot.

[AJandTam]

I see what youre saying here....Maybe I should have worded what I posted better...
He needs cindy therefore he plays her, but he also knows better than to cross her. Thats what I mean by that . Maybe it's a mutual dependence here.

I wasn't disagreeing w/you. The whole family holds things over each others heads.. I think he needs Cindy for money, but she holds things over his head too. No one wants money that bad, surely he could mooch off someone a bit more pleasant...

[margaritaville]

And maybe it wasn't to get back at Cindy but just to get rid of the responsibility of a 2 year old for a while. Maybe in Caseys head she convinced herself that she wasn't hurting Caylee, she was alive and safe but at the same time she didn't have to deal with her.
I still wonder how she was going to get herself out of the tangled mess she created with Amy and the checks had her Mother not shown up and rescue her before that fall out?
She would have to explain that to all of her new friends and TonE..
What was she going to say? " I am a thief hide your check books now"?
In that aspect I bet there was some relief for her that she never had to look at them eye to eye.........

My curiosity has always been what if Cindy had not found her........Would the stealing have brought her back home?

moo

[??WHATthe??]

I think it was the end but not the beginning, I think the beginning was when she started do those internet searches.

I guess I should have stated it differently, cause ITA, but... my point was that I am speculating on a bigger picture which included getting rid of her parents too... however, I just didn't think she was prepared to "start" things as far as actually doing it. I think the anger over the fight pushed her into reacting early...

does that make sense... cause again... head spinning :blink:

IMO

[??WHATthe??]

When Cindy said they had a lovely night at home? :wink:

Well, we know they were at the ALF. Then Cindy says she and Caylee went swimming in the pool, Casey didn't said it was to cold. But yet they didn't remember the last time they saw Caylee.

Yep the 15th was the date it all came crashing down imo.

Yeppers!!!:thumbsup:

[steffaroob4]

One of caseys computer passwordes was Timer55. So everyone is speculating on what the significance of that is. I think someone said from when she went missing to her birthday was 55 days, but I never bought into that theory.

The birthday minus 55 days takes you to June 14th.

I think we even looked at the ACTUAL day she change her password, which was some time in MAY, you ask me the timer was set for her PR vacation, if it was set at all. She could have been cooking something that day and just used that as a passowrd...

[TxLady2]

I think Nancy Grace has friends on the inside. I remember two days before the public announcement confirming Caylee's remains how tearful she was during her show. I think someone broke the news to her two days before we ever heard. I also think she has friends in LE who tell her off the cuff some of the details in this case. If Nancy is saying that the duct tape was wrapped around the head with hair still attached to it, she knows something that the rest of us don't and that has to be coming from friends on the inside.

It would not be the first time a reporter, especially one with direct ties to the legal community, would have a friend.


I disagree. Nancy is famous for repeating "facts" that are not true, she did this quite a bit during the SP trial. One such "fact" was the strong smell of bleach in the house... detectives testified there was not a strong smell, in fact some did not even smell the bleach at all.
She is the only one I've heard on any network talking about the duct tape wrapped around the head. We were told at first it was over the mouth, and there was still soft tissue under it... now we know that there was no soft tissue at all. First there were no clothes found in the bag, then they were "close" to the bag... then it became a swimsuit and part of a dress, per LP. She is the only one I've heard talking about the skull just "rolling out" of the bag when the meter reader kicked it. HE didn't even say that in any of the interviews. Who knows what the truth is?
If she has someone on the inside, then that someone is leaking information that LE does not want out right now... or LP is feeding her crap that he doesn't know one way or the other if it's true.
I take what she says with a whole bucket of salt. It could be fact, and it could be rumors.

[snowflakes]

I wouldn't trust George as far as I could throw him. He gives me the creeps.

That said, I think that Casey could have drowned Caylee in the pool, just held her little head underwater,called 911 and admitted Caylee drowned because she was distracted.
She would have taken her lumps from her parents, garnered sympathy eventually, and gone on with her party girl life uninhibited by her daughter.

[Cury-us Coyote]

One of the tapes from last night is edited also, they removed something, maybe gray bag.

I assumed the GPS he was trying to get was the GPS for the meter at the school. I assume he met with LE on August 13th in his own car.

We also seem to missing the crime-line phone call, I wonder why we don't have that, he seemed to have talked to them about calling LE when he got to the location.

Why all the editing out? What are they hiding...bag color...duct tape...
I say they are hiding both.

You know he could have been checking meters in June and saw Casey's car in that area OR he could have seen her in that area with Amy's car in July. I am NOT saying he saw it and remembered he saw a car there, but just maybe he saw it and his mind made him look in that spot.

Potentially X-Rays of the alleged bag may reveal other metallic etc? items within the bag, IMO. Why the interest in SHOES?

Apparently the motion to compel x-rays was discussed and granted in chambers and prepared by Gabriel Adam not Baez.

Later.

[boo]

I've waffled back and forth on the "offing" of the parents.
From what I remember, that house is financed and refinanced up the nose. What was she planning to do about mortgage payments?

Also, what about Lee? Was she going to "off" him too? He would have been entitled to half that house and even if they put it up for sale, I don't think there is any profit to be made now. In fact, if I remember correct, they owe more on that house than its current market value.

Casey wasn't much of a thinker.... or a planner, for that matter.

[5boxersmom]

I don't think the passwords had anything to do with Caylee. I think the only time Casey thought of Caylee after June 15th or 16th was when someone would ask her where she was. Out of sight out of mind.

imo

[Mimi428]

I wasn't disagreeing w/you. The whole family holds things over each others heads.. I think he needs Cindy for money, but she holds things over his head too. No one wants money that bad, surely he could mooch off someone a bit more pleasant...

And conversely, Cindy might have been a lot more pleasant if she had a husband who wasn't 'mooching' off of her.

The itch/scratch/itch/scratch cycle in the entire family seems like it has been pretty toxic for a mighty long time.

JMO

[Regina.Lampert]

Thank you for your reply :) You're right. Don't get me wrong, I certainly do not advocate violence of any nature! I'm not sure if I'd rather have the birth-giver murderer of this beautiful baby girl spend the rest of her life behind bars (and NOT the kind she favors!) miserable every single solitary day the rest of her being... OR ol' Sparky revved up and waiting to drain the life out of her!

eta: well, on second thought, it sure sounds like I'm advocating violence. I'll admit it in this case! Casey-- DIE! Thought I'd better add this before I get trampled on...

Yes, you were doing pretty good until ya got to that "draining" thing.........lol. Totally understandable tho.

Happy holidays JC!! :seeya:

[5boxersmom]

I've waffled back and forth on the "offing" of the parents.
From what I remember, that house is financed and refinanced up the nose. What was she planning to do about mortgage payments?

Also, what about Lee? Was she going to "off" him too? He would have been entitled to half that house and even if they put it up for sale, I don't think there is any profit to be made now. In fact, if I remember correct, they owe more on that house than its current market value.

Casey wasn't much of a thinker.... or a planner, for that matter.

Maybe she was thinking she would get Life Insurance?

imo

[AJandTam]

I wouldn't trust George as far as I could throw him. He gives me the creeps.

That said, I think that Casey could have drowned Caylee in the pool, just held her little head underwater,called 911 and admitted Caylee drowned because she was distracted.
She would have taken her lumps from her parents, garnered sympathy eventually, and gone on with her party girl life uninhibited by her daughter.

True enough. I guess she wasn't smart enough to think of that.. I don't know. She might have gotten some time in jail but not much... got alot of sympathy from the parents...

Alot of people think she did this to get sympathy from the parents and because she was jealous of Caylee. I don't know if that is true or not because she seemed more like she was hiding out from them. More interested in the party life, not her parents love... IMHO.

[??WHATthe??]

I'm not so sure that Cindy was as unpleasant before her world shattered before us, and really.. what we have seen is just a tiny slice of her lifetime.

I agree with this one...

If you go back and read some of the emails between Cindy's mom and her sister/friend (sorry don't remember exactly). It seemed like Cindy was always having to take care of things... George not having a job most of the time, it's possible to get fed up with those sort of things ya know... to me that doesn't show a lot about ones personallity in total.

[margaritaville]

Merry Christmas Margarita,

None of us can say for certain. Just saying that we have to think that everything so far, points to Caylee's death being sometime after she left the Nursing home. What happened after that, we dont' know. We know there is talk of a fight between Cindy and Casey that night. Then we have the book that was found that Caylee has w/her at the nursing home. I do believe that was the same book, and to me, it looked like Cindy may have gotten pictures from her mom, that she may have shoved inside the book for the ride home.. Cindy and Geo try real hard to make it sound like everything was ok the next day.. We don't know where Caylee was killed. Where she was the first few hours. We have to think about Cindy and Geo were home the 15th, the night of the fight, and Geo was home the morning afterwards until some time in the afternoon... If she killed her that night... ?? Lots of questions about where and where they were until Geo left the next afternoon.

We have two stories in this that we can't really tie into anything..

The story of the last time Geo says he saw Caylee alive.
The gas can story.

The last time Geo says that he saw Caylee alive could be because they wanted to make everything look like it was ok until the day after the fight. Even if it wasn't.. Why, what did they know about when Casey killed Caylee.. No reason to make up stories if they truly don't know..Why did they lie, what difference would saying she left that night make as opposed to she left the next day... Why not say she left that night if she did.. wouldn't matter much, would it? To me, it suggest that they know more than they are telling.. If others want to believe that they are just grieving folks in denial they can if they want too but I think looking at the actual evidence suggest otherwise..

And the gas can story... Why tell that one at all. I don't know... must be a reason right? Caylee's body was not burned that we know of... doesn't appear to have been anyways..


Merry christmas!
ITA with the fact that GA and CA know more then they will ever tell.
the night of the 15th is crucial to this whole thing. I am hoping if GA is called to the stand he is asked direct questions about that evening.
For some reason I do not think he will lie on the stand.
He reminds me of Jack Nicolson in "A Few Good Men" where he really, really wants to tell the truth.. He wants it all out in the open..
I just hope my instincts are right. But from the rumors he was very fourth coming for the GJ and testified against Casey. So fingers are crossed.

[steffaroob4]

Potentially X-Rays of the alleged bag may reveal other metallic etc? items within the bag, IMO. Why the interest in SHOES?

Apparently the motion to compel x-rays was discussed and granted in chambers and prepared by Gabriel Adam not Baez.

Later.


Besides looking for dirt on the bottom of the shoes.

Uh oh, maybe someone lost a shoe in the muck. If she lost a shoe and LE did find a shoe in the muck, they would need to grab all of her shoes, to rule out her not having the set at home. Maybe there are pictures of her with a certain pair of missing shoes on.

[??WHATthe??]

I've waffled back and forth on the "offing" of the parents.
From what I remember, that house is financed and refinanced up the nose. What was she planning to do about mortgage payments?

Also, what about Lee? Was she going to "off" him too? He would have been entitled to half that house and even if they put it up for sale, I don't think there is any profit to be made now. In fact, if I remember correct, they owe more on that house than its current market value.

Casey wasn't much of a thinker.... or a planner, for that matter.

Well... I too have gone back and forth with this, but I "still" say there was more to the story. As another posters stated... maybe she knew there was life insurance. And if she had made it look like an accident, she could have passed herself off as the grieving daughter to anyone that was left alive... like Lee, etc...


The one thing I don't agree with you on is that... She WAS a thinker and a planner... that to me seems to be obvious based on her actions and reactions... :wink:


IMO

[Lavenia]

A little o/t, but does anyone know how Casey spends her days in jail? Does she have a set time she has to get up in the morning? Is there a lights out time at night? Can she basically just lay around her cell and nap and read all day? On NG last night, NG said something to the effect of Casey watching herself on TV all day. Does she have access to a TV? Does she have one in her cell? It really surprised me to hear NG say that because I didn't think she would have access to a TV at all...:unsure:

Jails are very different than prisons in that they often have people that are there for short times and people who are awaiting trial and presumed innocent as opposed to the prisons where guilt is proven and sentence lengths are more determined and routine is easier to establish.

There is not employment by inmates, per se in jails, other than trustees maybe, so inmates do have more free time. Lights out, TV privileges, etc. will depend as much on what kind of housing an inmate is in in a unit as the unit itself. If you're in an individual cell, often the prison could care less if you stay up all night. The prison certainly doesn't turn it's lights down! (VERY bright, very noisy places, 24/7) Some states, allow an inmate to have a radio and/or TV IN a cell (these have to be special ordered through the prison), and some states and counties have one TV in a "day-room" that all the cells look out on (and is invariably tuned to cartoons or sports in men's prison).

If an inmate is in a dorm type setting, (and the majority of inmates in USA are) you are both given more movement and rights (just for the fact you must be lower on the security risk totem pole if you're deemed okay enough to be in that type setting) but you have to be more cognizant of your "neighbor", too. You best not have a light in Bruno's eyes all night when he has to show up for the hoe squad at 3 a.m. Bruno will send you to the ER.

In an AD-Seg setting, which includes protective custody (Hi Casey! :thumbup:) , hell, scream your head out all night long. Most do. Cut yourself. Bad. Hang yourself. Flood the run with your toilet. "Chunk" body fluids at staff as they pass your cell. Pretend your're having a heart attack so you can assault the nurse when she comes to HELP you. The "extraction squad" or kind of like a prison SWAT team might suit up several times a night (and then a break of a week or so) in a large prison, and gas an inmate in a cell. It's a VERY intimidating procedure (I, as medical staff, had to accompany them on any cell extraction on my shift both to treat the inmate for injuries and the prison staff). They march in as a suited up team marching and chanting, LOUDLY, with an electric shield up, a camcorder going, at least a Sgt. and medical in attendance and where it stops, nobody knows.

Yes, Princess Casey may have traded her little suburban middle-class home in for new multi-million dollar housing, but I *promise* you, she has no ideas what lurks behind those walls for her.

[WillowInFlight]

I guess I should have stated it differently, cause ITA, but... my point was that I am speculating on a bigger picture which included getting rid of her parents too... however, I just didn't think she was prepared to "start" things as far as actually doing it. I think the anger over the fight pushed her into reacting early...

does that make sense... cause again... head spinning :blink:

IMO

It sure does make sense, and ITA, I don't think Caylee was the only intended victim, I'm not even sure she was intended to be first, it's just the way things happened that night.

[trich]

I actually work on site at an apartment complex- on the construction side of it we have what you call "builders keys"- they are a default key that has access to every unit out here. It is possible that she could have gotten a hold of one of these. We give them to our subcontractors all the time and no one keeps very good track of them. sorry to say-




I am not sure but along wih the apartment complex saying the apartment had been empty for months I think ...that the LE did go to the apartment and there was no sign of anyone having been there.
I could be wrong...does anyone else remember that the LE went to the unit and looked inside?

[AJandTam]

I'm not so sure that Cindy was as unpleasant before her world shattered before us, and really.. what we have seen is just a tiny slice of her lifetime.

I am, you don't just become like that overnight. I think it is possible that her life and the things going on in her life over a long period of time may have taken it's toll on her mentally... That could be possible. I always said I thought that Cindy's biggest downfall may have been marrying the wrong man. Marrying the wrong guy can really change a girls life.. You look at his life and look at hers.. You can see where the two of them might have been a bad mix.. something went wrong.. I do not think this family was ok until this happened. There was something going on for a long period of time in that house. IMHO...

[??WHATthe??]

When I was a child, a lady dear to me said... If you can't say something nice, it might be best to say nothing at all. I've remembered it all these years. Merry Christmas.

And with all due respect Dinner Troll... a VERY smart man said something as well...

It's the quote below. I think making excuses for Inexcusable behavior makes this world a dangerous place...:closedeyes:

[AJandTam]

And conversely, Cindy might have been a lot more pleasant if she had a husband who wasn't 'mooching' off of her.

The itch/scratch/itch/scratch cycle in the entire family seems like it has been pretty toxic for a mighty long time.

JMO

agreed.. long term toxic situation IMHO too.

[AlohaRainbow]

I see what youre saying here....Maybe I should have worded what I posted better...
He needs cindy therefore he plays her, but he also knows better than to cross her. Thats what I mean by that . Maybe it's a mutual dependence here.
interesting... while being dependent on cindy, george does eventually cross/undermine her (e.g. being dependant on cindy as the biggest breadwinner and then 'losing' their $, whether it was losing $ in an email scam or gambling it away-depending on which 'story' one believes), but covertly, behind her back.

that seems to fit a passive-aggressive personality

[Lavenia]

When I was a child, a lady dear to me said... If you can't say something nice, it might be best to say nothing at all. I've remembered it all these years. Merry Christmas.

And here I've been hanging out with all the little old ladies who say, "If you can't say anything nice... Come sit next to me!" :tonguewag:

Maybe it's a Southern thing, but that's what I've heard MY old ladies say all my life, lol.

[5boxersmom]

I am not sure but along wih the apartment complex saying the apartment had been empty for months I think ...that the LE did go to the apartment and there was no sign of anyone having been there.
I could be wrong...does anyone else remember that the LE went to the unit and looked inside?

I don't know how true it is but LE did tell Casey that they checked the security tapes from Sawgrass and she was not on any of them. They could have been bluffing her though.

[spiritwolf46]

I just wanted to jump on here and wish each and every one of you a VERY Merry Christmas! Though we may not all agree, I sure don't know what I would do without the majority of you here. It has been a pleasure discussing this case with you all. There are a lot of VERY wonderful, intelligent people on this board and I pray that you all have a safe and terrific Christmas.

Prayers for you all and your loved ones during the Holiday Season and extra special prayers for Caylee, who should be getting gifts right now instead of a funeral. May the good Lord hold her tight and let him tell her that things will be better for her now.

:rose:

[AJandTam]

Merry christmas!
ITA with the fact that GA and CA know more then they will ever tell.
the night of the 15th is crucial to this whole thing. I am hoping if GA is called to the stand he is asked direct questions about that evening.
For some reason I do not think he will lie on the stand.
He reminds me of Jack Nicolson in "A Few Good Men" where he really, really wants to tell the truth.. He wants it all out in the open..
I just hope my instincts are right. But from the rumors he was very fourth coming for the GJ and testified against Casey. So fingers are crossed.

I don't know Marg, I have more of a "Shining" view of Geo. I think what happens next might end up being nothing we thought of before hand. I think we are in for some twist and turns. Nothing ordinary in this case so far. I expect the trial to be anything but normal as well.

[WillowInFlight]

agreed.. long term toxic situation IMHO too.

Cindy had a choice though, she could have followed through with the divorce.

[cloe23]

A little o/t, but does anyone know how Casey spends her days in jail? Does she have a set time she has to get up in the morning? Is there a lights out time at night? Can she basically just lay around her cell and nap and read all day? On NG last night, NG said something to the effect of Casey watching herself on TV all day. Does she have access to a TV? Does she have one in her cell? It really surprised me to hear NG say that because I didn't think she would have access to a TV at all...:unsure:

I can only speak from the county lockups in my county.
Most likely Casey could sleep 24/7 if she chooses(without a pillow). Many inmates will use the sheet as a pillow and the blanket to cover up. They sleep on a very thin mat on a stainless steal metal bed. She would have some interruptions when her 3 squares arrive each day and when the cleaning cart gets rolled in. If Casey choose to shave her legs then this needs to be set up where a DO can watch(use of a razor). The supervised shaving is done right at the cell door, the DO doesn't go in the inmate comes to the door. The door has two windows, one for the DO to view in and one for the meals, meds and other stuff to be passed back in forth.
(Remember Casey's comment once about her greasy hair, my guess is she sleeps a lot and a daily shower is not top priority)
Inmates are also given fresh towels and clothes several x a week, but the inmate has to strip down right then and there and hand over all the dirty ones, many refuse clean clothes if they are sleeping when the clean laundry is handed out. Not like Casey can take a shower and put on clean clothes.
Lights on 6am and off at 10:30pm, same with the TV that has cable and a remote control. Commissary orders and library visits are 1x each week with a set day.
I sure hope that the daily news paper is tossed in Casey's cell each day, serving it with her morning breakfast would be nice. Casey is on camera 24/7 like all other inmates. No camera in the shower but everywhere else. She should have a phone in her cell as well that shuts down with with the lights and TV each night, I doubt that Casey is being advised to call anyone.
This is just an idea as to what the happenings are at our county jail.
In all reality is it nice in prison then in a county lock up, I have heard.

[openminded]

He sure was a bad liar when he was on Larry King a few weeks back.

Yes, he was. My guess is that he's much less practiced at it than other members of his family (and far less skilled).

[Lavenia]

I just wanted to jump on here and wish each and every one of you a VERY Merry Christmas! Though we may not all agree, I sure don't know what I would do without the majority of you here. It has been a pleasure discussing this case with you all. There are a lot of VERY wonderful, intelligent people on this board and I pray that you all have a safe and terrific Christmas.

Prayers for you all and your loved ones during the Holiday Season and extra special prayers for Caylee, who should be getting gifts right now instead of a funeral. May the good Lord hold her tight and let him tell her that things will be better for her now.

:rose:


You too Spiritwolf! You're just a pleasure to post with and I look forward to more, of course.

[AJandTam]

When I was a child, a lady dear to me said... If you can't say something nice, it might be best to say nothing at all. I've remembered it all these years. Merry Christmas.

Merry Christmas.. Grandma did used to say those things. She would say... this then right after it tell ya to go play but don't play w/so and so cause his parents drink... unfortunately, that is how life is. Sometimes you have to say bad things, because the world has bad things in it.. and not saying anything doesn't make it go away.. it makes it worse..

[AJandTam]

I just wanted to jump on here and wish each and every one of you a VERY Merry Christmas! Though we may not all agree, I sure don't know what I would do without the majority of you here. It has been a pleasure discussing this case with you all. There are a lot of VERY wonderful, intelligent people on this board and I pray that you all have a safe and terrific Christmas.

Prayers for you all and your loved ones during the Holiday Season and extra special prayers for Caylee, who should be getting gifts right now instead of a funeral. May the good Lord hold her tight and let him tell her that things will be better for her now.

:rose:


:thumbsup: Merry Christmas.

:wub: ya.

[destiny1]

I am not sure but along wih the apartment complex saying the apartment had been empty for months I think ...that the LE did go to the apartment and there was no sign of anyone having been there.
I could be wrong...does anyone else remember that the LE went to the unit and looked inside?

with the kind of accusations being made by casey, no matter how far fetched, I would think a CSI team did at least a once-over for any hairs or other material that possibly could be linked to casey caylee or anybody else she accused of being involved. since that IMO has been determined to be bogus in the first place, I'm sure nobody is reporting on it publicly.

[WillowInFlight]

I just wanted to jump on here and wish each and every one of you a VERY Merry Christmas! Though we may not all agree, I sure don't know what I would do without the majority of you here. It has been a pleasure discussing this case with you all. There are a lot of VERY wonderful, intelligent people on this board and I pray that you all have a safe and terrific Christmas.

Prayers for you all and your loved ones during the Holiday Season and extra special prayers for Caylee, who should be getting gifts right now instead of a funeral. May the good Lord hold her tight and let him tell her that things will be better for her now.

:rose:

Merry Christmas to you and yours spirit, and thank you for being one of the most respectful posters I have ever met.

[playnice]

Just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas.

Prayers for the Anthonys today. No matter what, tonight or in the morning little Caylee should be opening her presents from Santa Claus and this is going to be very hard for them.

I hope Casey has a miserable christmas with ghosts of the past all around her.

[AJandTam]

Cindy had a choice though, she could have followed through with the divorce.

So true, So true... They all had choice, and all made some bad ones. WE all have choices, and we all make bad choices. Guilty too. Just hope some of my bad choices will come out ok.. We can talk about thier bad choices but really, "Hindsight is 20/20 and the truth is, when we are making the messes that we make. We don't think it's going to end up the way it does. It all spins out of control on us. This is what happened here IMHO.

[WillowInFlight]

Just wanted to wish everyone a safe and happy Christmas.

Prayers for the Anthonys today. No matter what, tonight or in the morning little Caylee should be opening her presents from Santa Claus and this is going to be very hard for them.

I hope Casey has a miserable christmas with ghosts of the past all around her.

Casey will probably sleep the day away so she doesn't have to face it, leaving George and Cindy to pick up the pieces.

[5boxersmom]

Merry Christmas everyone. Gotta go. Houseful of people coming soon.

Wish Caylee was hear to enjoy the Holidays. :sad:

Caylee:rose:

[WillowInFlight]

So true, So true... They all had choice, and all made some bad ones. WE all have choices, and we all make bad choices. Guilty too. Just hope some of my bad choices will come out ok.. We can talk about thier bad choices but really, "Hindsight is 20/20 and the truth is, when we are making the messes that we make. We don't think it's going to end up the way it does. It all spins out of control on us. This is what happened here IMHO.

Who picked you to be the sensible one today? Stop it. LOL. But you're right.

[cloe23]

One of the tapes from last night is edited also, they removed something, maybe gray bag.

I assumed the GPS he was trying to get was the GPS for the meter at the school. I assume he met with LE on August 13th in his own car.

We also seem to missing the crime-line phone call, I wonder why we don't have that, he seemed to have talked to them about calling LE when he got to the location.

Why all the editing out? What are they hiding...bag color...duct tape...
I say they are hiding both.

You know he could have been checking meters in June and saw Casey's car in that area OR he could have seen her in that area with Amy's car in July. I am NOT saying he saw it and remembered he saw a car there, but just maybe he saw it and his mind made him look in that spot.

Or this Roy guy could be very intuitive? I wonder if the time of day and the area has been his potty break and part of his routine for some time?
and he frankly got the creeps with everything he saw?

[AJandTam]

Merry Christmas everyone. Gotta go. Houseful of people coming soon.

Wish Caylee was hear to enjoy the Holidays. :sad:

Caylee:rose:

Merry Christmas 5Boxer.. I have to go soon too. More cooking to do and it's getting late.. Wishing you and yours a wonderful holiday..

[tomsgirl]

She is in one cell alone, in protective custody. I'm sure jail has times to get up and times for lights out. She most probably naps and reads and snacks. Lots of snacks- we know that from her jail accounts.

Hope she gains about 50 pounds, then she couldn't dance around a stripper pole if she had to. I know that sounds mean but right now at Christmas time, I really cannot stand the thought that she is reading, sleeping and eating all of her favorite snacks and we ALL know that little Caylee is not here for Santa to bring her some toys. I thank God everyday that my little granddaughters are safe and happy. JMO:crying:

[openminded]

I agree w/you. I"ve had issues w/Geo for a long time. I just don't think he is the poor little man everyone thinks he is.. I think he's a good con artist.

I go back and forth about George in a way that I don't about Cindy (I've never changed my opinion of her actions from the moment I first saw her on Nancy Grace when LE was digging up the back yard).

I think George is weak. And dependent on Cindy. And probably does enjoy sabotaging Cindy's efforts because he knows who has the power in that family and it's not him.

I just don't see him as capable of doing a good job of conning someone (but I could certainly be wrong about that -- maybe we'll find out during the trial).

[martha]

I believe it was placed three times but moved twice...I believe she first put Caylee in the back yard under the playhouse. She might have thought that would be too risky and she moved it to the trunk of her car, where she road around with it for a few days....then to the lot down the road from her home.

On the day that George almost opened the trunk was probably too close for Casey and she left the house and went straight to the lot....

Because I do believe that Caylee was in the trunk when George wanted to go into it to get the cans out.....ITA with you I think this is just what happened. the day g wanted in the trunk I think caylee was in there and casey got scared and took her down the street where she was found. g and c and lee knew casey had done something to caylee right from the start.g did not want to look in the trunk because he was thinking she might be in there.and c ask casey what have you done now. They have all known all along casey had killed caylee they just wanted the world to think casey did not do anything to caylee. I have a feeling it will all come out at trial. I hope the trial will not take forever to have.jmho

[AJandTam]

Who picked you to be the sensible one today? Stop it. LOL. But you're right.

Shhhhhhh I have a reputation to keep up ya know..

Yes, it is so true.. So very true.. and as judgemental as I may appear..that's not really how I am.. I just have a huge interest in how things like this happen. How it all spins out of control... By studying domestic murders, you learn that the people involved get caught up in things that are so very ordinary. It's not like you can see what is coming before it happens. It's just ordinary people living ordinary lives and something spins out of control and this is what you get.. whether it be something as ordinary as a love affair, a need to be free of a child , a financial desire that you have... or a domestic abuse situation that could spin out of control at any moment if you don't leave the abuser.. it's scary to stop for one minute and take a good look at your life and wonder. Is there something in your own life that could spin out of control on you and you could be the next Big Case... Would you see the warning signs coming.. Probably not, if the people in the cases that we follow could see it coming. Surely they would have done something to prevent it, right??

[dixie77]

MERRY CHRISTMAS AND HAPPY NEW YEAR TO ALL OF YALL.
I want to say its been a pleasure posting with everyoe tihs past year.
We all got our Xmas wish with precious lil Caylee being brought home.
God Bless her soul.

Love and hugs :)

[PROPROS]

Casey will probably sleep the day away so she doesn't have to face it, leaving George and Cindy to pick up the pieces.Morning/afternoon all...I am beat (been up since 5:00am)..so much to do. Seriously, can you imagine just sleeping all day everyday. She is in that same small room ( that never changes) with no color. I would bet that she is feeling sorry for herself today. No Christmas baking, no presents, nothing...mo

[PROPROS]

She is in one cell alone, in protective custody. I'm sure jail has times to get up and times for lights out. She most probably naps and reads and snacks. Lots of snacks- we know that from her jail accounts.And even with her tiny figure(with not much exercise), those pounds can add on quickly. mo

[ellegna]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/caylee-2.jpg

[WillowInFlight]

Morning/afternoon all...I am beat (been up since 5:00am)..so much to do. Seriously, can you imagine just sleeping all day everyday. She is in that same small room ( that never changes) with no color. I would bet that she is feeling sorry for herself today. No Christmas baking, no presents, nothing...mo

Yeah, I bet she's also missing watching her angel of a daughter opening her gifts, giggling with glee over all her toys. It just breaks my heart.

[WillowInFlight]

http://i143.photobucket.com/albums/r129/wegworker/caylee-2.jpg

Oh thank you so much for this. I feel like you have just given us all a gift.

[??WHATthe??]

Morning/afternoon all...I am beat (been up since 5:00am)..so much to do. Seriously, can you imagine just sleeping all day everyday. She is in that same small room ( that never changes) with no color. I would bet that she is feeling sorry for herself today. No Christmas baking, no presents, nothing...mo

Yeah... feeling sorry for itself...barf

[Neffy]

One of caseys computer passwordes was Timer55. So everyone is speculating on what the significance of that is. I think someone said from when she went missing to her birthday was 55 days, but I never bought into that theory.

Yes Casey has watched way to much CSI. Her staging of ridiculous nonsense is way beyond the realm.

[PROPROS]

What if after the fight broke out that night- Casey took Caylee and hid her somwhere. A storage facility or a house, and intended to keep her from Cindy. Maybe she had her locked up somewhere - used cholorform to keep her quiet and duct tape so she couldn't cry- but then Caylee ended up dying from the heat and or lack of food where she was keeping her. maybe she intended to keep her there for 55 days to guilt trip Cindy- just a theory and don't ask me where that thought came from because i have no ideaThis is one of the mysterys in this case...Where did she actually kill Caylee. IMO, LE suspects the home..when and where in the house. Did she take her to those woods? mo

[steffaroob4]

UPDATED: 3:07 pm EST December 22, 2008 (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18331389/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tml=orlpn_4pm&ts=T&tmi=orlpn_4pm_-1_02550112222008)

Meanwhile, two men carrying cameras and measuring equipment arrived at the home of George and Cindy Anthony on Monday, but they refused to identify themselves to Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest.

DeForest said Cindy Anthony met up with the men and escorted them to the back of a side fence, where they took photographs and measurements. The purpose of their visit was not known.

[Neffy]

Merry Christmas everybody.
What a horribly sad time it must be for so many people who loved Caylee. I have not been a supporter of George or Cindy and wont start now, but I do feel a tinge of sympathy for them during this time. How hard it must be to see Caylee's Christmas things from years gone by and know that she is never coming back.

As far as Casey goes, I hope she has a miserable Christmas, an even more miserable New Year and she lives unhappily and miserably for the rest of her sorry life.


I'd give anything to see her face light up with that CandyCane prezzie attached to the plastic hand held credit card sized calender.

I know it sounds nasty and shallow but for some reason I take great solace in thinking about that. *grins*

[??WHATthe??]

The older I get, the truer that statement gets. :thumbup:

True that... Merry Christmas WhatSay...

And to everyone else as well! I hope that everyones day is bright and full of love and cherished moments...

It's raining here in not so sunny California today... and my thoughts have been mostly of Caylee, but I believe she knows that our hearts are wrapped around her...

Merry Christmas Caylee... :rose:

[Mimi428]

Shhhhhhh I have a reputation to keep up ya know..

Yes, it is so true.. So very true.. and as judgemental as I may appear..that's not really how I am.. I just have a huge interest in how things like this happen. How it all spins out of control... By studying domestic murders, you learn that the people involved get caught up in things that are so very ordinary. It's not like you can see what is coming before it happens. It's just ordinary people living ordinary lives and something spins out of control and this is what you get.. whether it be something as ordinary as a love affair, a need to be free of a child , a financial desire that you have... or a domestic abuse situation that could spin out of control at any moment if you don't leave the abuser.. it's scary to stop for one minute and take a good look at your life and wonder. Is there something in your own life that could spin out of control on you and you could be the next Big Case... Would you see the warning signs coming.. Probably not, if the people in the cases that we follow could see it coming. Surely they would have done something to prevent it, right??

I've read many articles over the years about our need to believe in a "just world" - & the machinations we put ourselves through to keep the belief going. It is so horrifying to contemplate the idea that something awful could happen to an innocent person, for no good reason. So we reassure ourselves that these things could not, would not happen to us - because we would never do X or Y or Z - like the people who did experience those horrible things.

JMO

[WillowInFlight]

This is one of the mysterys in this case...Where did she actually kill Caylee. IMO, LE suspects the home..when and where in the house. Did she take her to those woods? mo

I wonder if she killed her in her bedroom and thats why she couldn't sleep in there?

[tomsgirl]

Morning/afternoon all...I am beat (been up since 5:00am)..so much to do. Seriously, can you imagine just sleeping all day everyday. She is in that same small room ( that never changes) with no color. I would bet that she is feeling sorry for herself today. No Christmas baking, no presents, nothing...mo

Good !.................

[AJandTam]

I go back and forth about George in a way that I don't about Cindy (I've never changed my opinion of her actions from the moment I first saw her on Nancy Grace when LE was digging up the back yard).

I think George is weak. And dependent on Cindy. And probably does enjoy sabotaging Cindy's efforts because he knows who has the power in that family and it's not him.

I just don't see him as capable of doing a good job of conning someone (but I could certainly be wrong about that -- maybe we'll find out during the trial).

I think the reaction he gets on this very board is a good indication of just how good he really is. Let's face it, he's been as much a part of this as Cindy.. telling tall tales and acting stupid on video, lying and changing his views of which side he's on.. Giving the FBI a little truth in what they already knew, and comes out smelling like a rose.. His past history of violence toward his dad, the job hopping, mooching off his wife.. yet he is still viewed as good george... How do you think he manages the sympathy here for doing the same stuff as his wife.. however his past is much worse than hers.. In truth, Cindy was the one who kept things together. She supported the family, she has a good relationship w/her extended family to a degree *visits parents at the nursing home, more so than Geo, it seems...she has a good job history.. the real truth is that Geo appears to be a sorry worthless man, yet here he is viewed as the good guy. Look at what Cindy was putting up w.... that's the con here.. he is bad and no one wants to look at it... he's managed to make himself out to be a sympathetic charactor even though if you look at him, he's not....that's how I can to this conclussion.

[Lavenia]

Shhhhhhh I have a reputation to keep up ya know..

Yes, it is so true.. So very true.. and as judgemental as I may appear..that's not really how I am.. I just have a huge interest in how things like this happen. How it all spins out of control... By studying domestic murders, you learn that the people involved get caught up in things that are so very ordinary. It's not like you can see what is coming before it happens. It's just ordinary people living ordinary lives and something spins out of control and this is what you get.. whether it be something as ordinary as a love affair, a need to be free of a child , a financial desire that you have... or a domestic abuse situation that could spin out of control at any moment if you don't leave the abuser.. it's scary to stop for one minute and take a good look at your life and wonder. Is there something in your own life that could spin out of control on you and you could be the next Big Case... Would you see the warning signs coming.. Probably not, if the people in the cases that we follow could see it coming. Surely they would have done something to prevent it, right??

Wow, AJ, everything you said today just mirrors my thoughts exactly! This is one of the reason this fascinates me is even though Casey is vastly different than most of us, it is really just a razor's edge that separates us from living a tragedy such as this. It was luck, fate or whatever you think, that made your family who they are, who made that car come along when it did, who made you just a little bit quicker to anger maybe than the next person, and so on...

I've pulled some boneheaded stunts in my day and may even have another before I croak but I'm SO thankful I never caused anyone any harm with what I did in my impulse, youth, DNA and ignorance. So far, I just have a LOT of interesting, funny stories, but many stories that began just as mine are far from amusing.

I don't excuse Casey one BIT for what she did, but it has to suck to be her. (I know, I know, it sucked worse to be her victim, but how good is it that not only did she "waste" a beautiful human being, but she herself is a literal waste for as long as she may live. Just a warehoused, sucking up resources, contributing nothing, waste.)

[KKKKKKatie]

I still wonder how she was going to get herself out of the tangled mess she created with Amy and the checks had her Mother not shown up and rescue her before that fall out?
She would have to explain that to all of her new friends and TonE..
What was she going to say? " I am a thief hide your check books now"?
In that aspect I bet there was some relief for her that she never had to look at them eye to eye.........

My curiosity has always been what if Cindy had not found her........Would the stealing have brought her back home?

moo


IMO she was heading to Calif to her new "love" interest. She probably would have told him that Her Mother had custody of Caylee.

who knows....but I have no doubt she had some sort of plan!

[??WHATthe??]

I think the reaction he gets on this very board is a good indication of just how good he really is. Let's face it, he's been as much a part of this as Cindy.. telling tall tales and acting stupid on video, lying and changing his views of which side he's on.. Giving the FBI a little truth in what they already knew, and comes out smelling like a rose.. His past history of violence toward his dad, the job hopping, mooching off his wife.. yet he is still viewed as good george... How do you think he manages the sympathy here for doing the same stuff as his wife.. however his past is much worse than hers.. In truth, Cindy was the one who kept things together. She supported the family, she has a good relationship w/her extended family to a degree *visits parents at the nursing home, more so than Geo, it seems...she has a good job history.. the real truth is that Geo appears to be a sorry worthless man, yet here he is viewed as the good guy. Look at what Cindy was putting up w.... that's the con here.. he is bad and no one wants to look at it... he's managed to make himself out to be a sympathetic charactor even though if you look at him, he's not....that's how I can to this conclussion.

... and with speculation, one could surmise that the one in jail quite possibly learned most of her behavior from him vs Cindy...???:blink:

While I do believe they both played a part in the dysfunction of their daughter... I do agree that George is just as much a part of all this as Cindy, and I don't view him in a different light...

IMO

[Lavenia]

I've read many articles over the years about our need to believe in a "just world" - & the machinations we put ourselves through to keep the belief going. It is so horrifying to contemplate the idea that something awful could happen to an innocent person, for no good reason. So we reassure ourselves that these things could not, would not happen to us - because we would never do X or Y or Z - like the people who did experience those horrible things.

JMO

Completely agree. That's why we always expect the child molester to "look like one". That's why we want to blame the victim.

[AJandTam]

I've read many articles over the years about our need to believe in a "just world" - & the machinations we put ourselves through to keep the belief going. It is so horrifying to contemplate the idea that something awful could happen to an innocent person, for no good reason. So we reassure ourselves that these things could not, would not happen to us - because we would never do X or Y or Z - like the people who did experience those horrible things.

JMO

This is so true, even in our own lives. We can change ourselves but we have no control over what those in our lives do. And at any time, those people in our lives could do something that set in motion a very bad chain of events that lead to tragedy. Something as simple as being blind fools to a cheating man, an abusive man, not knowing about a life insurance policy on us... You never know... I learned along the way in my own life. You may think you know someone, but make no mistake. You very well might not.. .

[MalloryCat]

I think the reaction he gets on this very board is a good indication of just how good he really is. Let's face it, he's been as much a part of this as Cindy.. telling tall tales and acting stupid on video, lying and changing his views of which side he's on.. Giving the FBI a little truth in what they already knew, and comes out smelling like a rose.. His past history of violence toward his dad, the job hopping, mooching off his wife.. yet he is still viewed as good george... How do you think he manages the sympathy here for doing the same stuff as his wife.. however his past is much worse than hers.. In truth, Cindy was the one who kept things together. She supported the family, she has a good relationship w/her extended family to a degree *visits parents at the nursing home, more so than Geo, it seems...she has a good job history.. the real truth is that Geo appears to be a sorry worthless man, yet here he is viewed as the good guy. Look at what Cindy was putting up w.... that's the con here.. he is bad and no one wants to look at it... he's managed to make himself out to be a sympathetic charactor even though if you look at him, he's not....that's how I can to this conclussion.

Great post and Cindy has been manipulated by her immediate family forever, sadly George and Caseys cons were normal for her.

Women tend to be more gracious toward George because he is not hideous looking I suppose.

jmo

[Lavenia]

When I was a child, a lady dear to me said... If you can't say something nice, come sit by me. I've remembered it all these years. Merry Christmas :thumbup:

:thumbsup: Sharkie!

Merry Christmas friend! (Come sit next to me! We'll talk. :w00t:)

[PROPROS]

I wonder if she killed her in her bedroom and thats why she couldn't sleep in there? Thank God,the first mystery in this case has been solved....Where is Caylee! Now, where did she do it and when. Did she have the chloroform already mixed up, did she make it and if so....when and when. Yes, Cindy said she did not want to sleep in her room...who knows.mo

[AJandTam]

Wow, AJ, everything you said today just mirrors my thoughts exactly! This is one of the reason this fascinates me is even though Casey is vastly different than most of us, it is really just a razor's edge that separates us from living a tragedy such as this. It was luck, fate or whatever you think, that made your family who they are, who made that car come along when it did, who made you just a little bit quicker to anger maybe than the next person, and so on...

I've pulled some boneheaded stunts in my day and may even have another before I croak but I'm SO thankful I never caused anyone any harm with what I did in my impulse, youth, DNA and ignorance. So far, I just have a LOT of interesting, funny stories, but many stories that began just as mine are far from amusing.

I don't excuse Casey one BIT for what she did, but it has to suck to be her. (I know, I know, it sucked worse to be her victim, but how good is it that not only did she "waste" a beautiful human being, but she herself is a literal waste for as long as she may live. Just a warehoused, sucking up resources, contributing nothing, waste.)

Merry Christmas Lavenia.
:thumbsup: We can't always just study others and what thier lives lead too. Sometimes we have to look w/in ourselves.. and I mean really look.

[Deb7]

UPDATED: 3:07 pm EST December 22, 2008 (http://www.clickorlando.com/news/18331389/detail.html?treets=orlpn&tml=orlpn_4pm&ts=T&tmi=orlpn_4pm_-1_02550112222008)

Meanwhile, two men carrying cameras and measuring equipment arrived at the home of George and Cindy Anthony on Monday, but they refused to identify themselves to Local 6 News reporter Mike DeForest.

DeForest said Cindy Anthony met up with the men and escorted them to the back of a side fence, where they took photographs and measurements. The purpose of their visit was not known.

I read that article the other day and I wondered if rather than taking evidence if they are measuring for some sort of memorial for Caylee. Do you think maybe George and Cindy might have commissioned someone to make a memorial in their backyard for Caylee? Anyway, just a thought and JMO.

[WillowInFlight]

I read that article the other day and I wondered if rather than taking evidence if they are measuring for some sort of memorial for Caylee. Do you think maybe George and Cindy might have commissioned someone to make a memorial in their backyard for Caylee? Anyway, just a thought and JMO.

Oh that could very well be, Good thinking.

[Mimi428]

I think the reaction he gets on this very board is a good indication of just how good he really is. Let's face it, he's been as much a part of this as Cindy.. telling tall tales and acting stupid on video, lying and changing his views of which side he's on.. Giving the FBI a little truth in what they already knew, and comes out smelling like a rose.. His past history of violence toward his dad, the job hopping, mooching off his wife.. yet he is still viewed as good george... How do you think he manages the sympathy here for doing the same stuff as his wife.. however his past is much worse than hers.. In truth, Cindy was the one who kept things together. She supported the family, she has a good relationship w/her extended family to a degree *visits parents at the nursing home, more so than Geo, it seems...she has a good job history.. the real truth is that Geo appears to be a sorry worthless man, yet here he is viewed as the good guy. Look at what Cindy was putting up w.... that's the con here.. he is bad and no one wants to look at it... he's managed to make himself out to be a sympathetic charactor even though if you look at him, he's not....that's how I can to this conclussion.

I know I should snip this to reduce the bandwidth, but I can't. I think some of the stuff you have so clearly pointed out beg the question on which parent Casey is REALLY like? Simple example - Cindy has worked at her job for a significant amount of time - & it took a lot of dedication & stick-to-it-tiveness for her to get her degree in the first place. George's employment seems very haphazard & iffy. Which path was Casey on, one more like her mother's or one more like her father's?

Here is something to contemplate...first think about how you deal with conflict that arises with your child(ren)'s other parent.

Now think about how you deal with conflict with your child(ren) who is most like their other parent (IOW, not you).

Think about how you deal with your conflicts with the child who is most like you.

Your emotions & your methods of coping & dealing with all of it will be different. If you see your child saying or doing something that you recognize in yourself as a negative - it is WAY different than seeing your child saying & doing something that has annoyed the crap out of you when you have dealt with it from the other parent.

KWIM?

[??WHATthe??]

It has been said that Albert Einstein himself was socially challenged. I wonder if he had a formula defining evil.

Happy Holidays.. and thank you for your respectful response. : )

Socially challenged maybe... but to my knowledge, he never interfered and misled authorities in a missing child case and the indictment of a family member for murder...

But dang... what a smart man, and if he had a formula for evil, I'd sure like to know what it was...:wink:

Happy Holidays to you too... :seeya:

[marshmallow]

I tend to view both Cindy and George with no admiration. I base my views on seperate things but I don't sympathize with either of them more than the other.
I don't blame them for what Casey did, too many people are raised by poor parents and with poor values taught. To excuse away Casey or blame her parents for who she is wouldn't be right or fair. She made her choices and now must deal with the repercussions. I'm lucky in that my children's transgressions were mild compared to the horror the Anthonys have now. Flipping off a police officer from the back of the school bus brough down the wrath of mom... they didn't push their luck twice. I'm certain that every day for the rest of their days Cindy and George will think back and regret not punisihing Casey and not dealing with her when her actions were small but I won't bash them for then. They'll do that themselves.
I do still hold them responsible for their deliberate words and actions during the time Caylee was still assumed missing. They should have willingly done everything asked of them, a child was at stake and to waste valuable time, resources, and manpower on purpose was wrong.

I just think their hell is forever now and as long as they own up to their actions and words I think their selfinduced hell is enough of a punishment for me. If they don't or can't then perhaps a few slaps to the wrist are in order.

[AJandTam]

... and with speculation, one could surmise that the one in jail quite possibly learned most of her behavior from him vs Cindy...???:blink:

While I do believe they both played a part in the dysfunction of their daughter... I do agree that George is just as much a part of all this as Cindy, and I don't view him in a different light...

IMO

The answer will be found w/in the truth behind the dysfunction. Where did it start and why was it so dysfunctional?? IMHO, there is a story w/in a story here. We are missing a chunk of the truth.

:wub: you all but I got to get out of here before I get into trouble. It's Christmas Eve and i'm the cook.

Merry Christmas Everyone...

[Lavenia]

My dear lady was standing when she told me. Merry Christmas, Landshark. :wink:

:lol::lol: You got him but good there!

[Deb7]

Oh that could very well be, Good thinking.

Thank you Willow! :smile:

[??WHATthe??]

The answer will be found w/in the truth behind the dysfunction. Where did it start and why was it so dysfunctional?? IMHO, there is a story w/in a story here. We are missing a chunk of the truth.

:wub: you all but I got to get out of here before I get into trouble. It's Christmas Eve and i'm the cook.

Merry Christmas Everyone...

ITA... and sometimes I think I don't want to hear it... but then look forward to the next bit of information... :tongueside:

Merry Christmas... have a wonderful day!... :seeya:

[AJandTam]

I know I should snip this to reduce the bandwidth, but I can't. I think some of the stuff you have so clearly pointed out beg the question on which parent Casey is REALLY like? Simple example - Cindy has worked at her job for a significant amount of time - & it took a lot of dedication & stick-to-it-tiveness for her to get her degree in the first place. George's employment seems very haphazard & iffy. Which path was Casey on, one more like her mother's or one more like her father's?

Here is something to contemplate...first think about how you deal with conflict that arises with your child(ren)'s other parent.

Now think about how you deal with conflict with your child(ren) who is most like their other parent (IOW, not you).

Think about how you deal with your conflicts with the child who is most like you.

Your emotions & your methods of coping & dealing with all of it will be different. If you see your child saying or doing something that you recognize in yourself as a negative - it is WAY different than seeing your child saying & doing something that has annoyed the crap out of you when you have dealt with it from the other parent.

KWIM?

:thumbsup: Great Post Mimi..